Liverpool Banter Archive April 15 2017

15 Apr 2017 14:28:55
The more I see spurs playing well the more confused I am how we're so far off them despite dominating them twice.

15 Apr 2017 14:45:34
For starters, they have defenders and a GK that will lay waste to ours. And their full backs can actually provide width and put in some decent crosses to stretch play. Just see how much space Alli, Son and Kane had to play in even in Bournemouth's penalty area.

15 Apr 2017 15:00:09
Consistency, turning up against 'weaker' sides and grinding out wins when you have to - that's the difference.

15 Apr 2017 15:59:14
Not that hard to figure out, really. They are far ahead in their development under Poch than we have under Klopp as this is Poch's third season and they are no pushovers anymore. They are improving every season and that should be our goal every season. This has allowed them to aim higher. This is what we must learn from them especially that killer mentality when they play lesser teams. Their no-nonsense mindset (a feature of Poch's mentality as a no-nonsense CB) is what I find remarkable in their uptick and we must strive for that both in the way we play (attack and defend), train and recruit players.

15 Apr 2017 16:48:31
You all make me laugh, get over urselfs will you lot. Stop thinking your all manger of the year and yous could do a better job, the truth is you couldn't.
How are they so supiorer to us? or even so far ahead? We beat them and drew with them, like the rest of the top half of the table have failed to beat us. We have players that think they have beat the so-called lesser teams by just turning up that is our (liverpools) problem this season.
We cannot win with u lot if we was winning games 1-0 u lot would say we are boring but coz we scoring loads but conceding a few aswell while entertaining most of the time you still winge like bitches.
Truth is ad hate to be an ed having to put up with this dribble time and time agen.
Eds u have my backing you must have the most mentally draining job there is out there respect.

15 Apr 2017 17:17:31
OK Knuckles (or should that be knuckle-dragger? ) if we, the posters, are not at the level of a professional Premier League manager we have no right to voice an opinion? Obviously we couldn't do better job otherwise we would, ourselves, be managers wouldn't we? But this is a website for fans to voice opinions and discuss all things football - why don't you stop acting like your the voice of reason and sensibility and allow others, on what is a website desgined for supporters to share opinions, share their opinions instead of condescending them and acting like your opinion is any more valid than anyone elses.

15 Apr 2017 17:51:42
Seano voice your opinion mate no probs but saying the same stuff time and time agen is boring. U need to stop making stuff up aswell lad a never once said my opinion was right and everybody else was wrong did i, stop waffling your gums for the sake of it lad.
One thing is for certain the results tell the truth and like a said nobody in the top half has beat us, so u tell me how they are so far ahead of us then? We all no the problems and its struggling agenst the so called lesser teams and not what u are suggesting, that we are so far behind the top teams.

15 Apr 2017 18:17:49
No you didn't explicitly say your opinion was right and everyone elses was wrong but you basically called everyone else out saying 'they couldn't do better than the manager', 'we cannot win with you lot' and 'i'd hate to put up with this dribble time and time again' - your response implied you were somehow right and everyone else was wrong - wind your neck in and engage with the opinions instead of just slagging people off for expressing one.

15 Apr 2017 18:29:29
In a funny way, I agree with Knuckles completely. However, I think his response, is to a debate/ conversation that no one is having. This conversation is about how Spurs are doing against lesser teams and how they look as a whole compared to us. No one is criticizing the manager nor calling Klopp incompetent as my post already suggests why Spurs are doing so well and no one has slated Klopp. So I think Knuckles should save this response for a debate that requires it cos THIS ONE does not.

15 Apr 2017 18:40:58
Go back and read what asaid lad, i asked 2 questions but agen u rattle your gums without reading what was wrote. But like always u jump on the bandwagon and rattle your gums with no reason.
And ave never slagged anyone of u really need to grow up and stop blaming other people for your mistakes kid! All a was saying, that its the same stuff. I also asked how we were so far behind and so much worse than the so called better teams. different isn't right or wrong so u need to adjust the nature of your replys before making urself to be a right tool fella.
Ur twisting the way a said things to suit urself, or suit your mind to make u look clever. No if the other posters would like to say how we are so for behind or why the so called top teams are so much better than liverpool i'd like to know why they believe that cheers.

15 Apr 2017 19:43:17
N red i totally agree with what u said mate in that in football terms there isn't really that much between us and spurs or the other yop 4 either, like u said its probally mentally they are a lot stronger than us witch like you say is down to poch he has them well drilled. Like u say its his 3rd season there and we need to follow, and get better each season then am sure this time next season or the season after we may well be talking about our chance of winning the title.

15 Apr 2017 19:59:26
Coz they've got flexibility which klopp lacks . we are great when teams attack us where we can counter them with pace but its completely different game where teams defend deep and deny us any space to exploit or counter where we badly struggle. its more to do w/ our system then players.

15 Apr 2017 21:49:57
Simply they have more quality across the team. Lloris, Alderweirald and Vertonghen would all be certain starters at LFC and would improve on current quality.

15 Apr 2017 22:17:00
Kopite good answer mate that's probs more like it. Those are things that hopfully klopp can sort out in the future.
Freshst that's like saying couts firmino and henderson or sturridge would be starters for spurs isn't it? Totally disagree with that like every can inprove players wise and there's players on all teams that would get in other teams.

15 Apr 2017 22:56:33
Knuckles, I agree with what you are saying as well. There is not much btw us, Spurs and the rest of the top 6. In fact, I can remember many on here saying that the best we could hope for was 5th as our rivals had better squads than us (bar Spurs cos they lack depth after the first 13/ 14 players) . Suddenly these fans prolly thought we would win the PL with the same squad they thought would be lucky to come 5th. How that makes sense with any one with a brain cell is beyond me.

The fact that Klopp has got us to where we are in a season that has been ravaged with injuries and poor form since Jan, is credit to his coaching and managerial ability. Has he made mistakes? Yes and who hasn't. Can he improve? Of course. We must recruit not only good players BUT mentally-tough players who don't back down from a challenge.

As Klopp once said, "It is not your fear to lose that makes you a winner. It is your will to win". That has to permeate through the club and onto the way we recruit players, train them and prepare them for games. This is where Spurs are doing well and why it seems they are ruthless on the pitch. They are mentally tougher than most of their opponents especially BAR us ironically.

16 Apr 2017 01:27:15
Good to see people like to discuss this topic. I was just wondering people's thoughts, and Ed001 in particular if you're about, on Kyle Walker. Someone earlier praised their fullbacks compared to ours, but I personally don't think that much of Kyle Walker, he loses the ball a lot and doesn't seem to have too much end product. He's just very quick. Granted he might be a bit better than Clyne but I'd say they're quite similar. Would you disagree?

{Ed001's Note - he is a bigger, stronger, faster Clyne in a lot of ways. Technically he is much better, his lack of end product is very similar to that of other speedsters - he just runs too quick when trying to deliver. He is actually technically very good and can deliver really well when not on the run, so it is clearly an issue with that. I remember Ryan Giggs had a very similar issue when he first broke through.

Oh and Walker is also very good in the air, while Clyne is awful. He is one of the best right backs in Europe, but there are not a lot of very good right backs these days. For all his weaknesses, he does have a lot more strengths.}

16 Apr 2017 02:51:26
Tottenham have put together a very good side - especially at the back with arguably the best defense in the league. I'd happily take any of their GK, CBs or FBs. Dembele has been outstanding in midfield, Dele Ali looks like he might develop into a future Gerard, Son has been excellent and Kane is one of he best strikers around.

The big difference between us and them though is consistency as Poch has kept the side building gradually year after year (a message in that) and that defense keeps it all together when things get tough.

16 Apr 2017 06:48:25
The main reason being premier league sides hate Liverpool with a passion. They would happy change their style of play to do one over on us, than to face us in a contest, although WBA naturally play this way so they get a pass. But Southampton for one, a team I once thought highly of for having a ball playing identity. That 2-2 draw where all they did was park the limo across their box, until a couple route one's and poor defending on our part gave them something to sniff at. They are all against us which is why we have to go out and play our brand as a f u gesture.

16 Apr 2017 07:36:09
Knuckles not entirely sure all 4 woukd start for Spurs. When you look at the likes of Alli, Ericksen, Dier, Son and Kane i only see one of those they'd definitely drop. Not saying they're better but as good is likely and more consistent. I hate Spurs and would love to see them fail so pains me to admit it but they have a more consistent level of ability and performance plus several significantly better players. I'd take Kane and Eriksen as big improvements to our current and probably both full backs.

{Ed025's Note - how many liverpool players would get in the spurs side though freshst?, for me its 2 couts and mane possibly lallana as well i suppose but thats it, i doubt that any liverpool defenders would even make the bench to be honest but thats subjective i suppose mate..

16 Apr 2017 07:58:53
Ed025 that would be my thinking as well. Nit great to say or hear but the quality of player AND performace isn't there. And as in many previous years it is the performance v lower teams that shows it.

{Ed025's Note - its a mentality thing for me freshst, i think liverpool need a leader in the mould of a souness or jimmy case who can drag other players up by their boots when standards drop, hendo tries his best but is not vocal enough for me and the lesser teams see the reds as a bit of a soft touch at times for me mate..

16 Apr 2017 15:56:15
Yeah agree with most what's been said and with ed025, a think ed 01 has said the same about leadership on the pitch we don't really have any. Hopfully our keeper situation gets sorted then for me a leader at the back and maybe someone in midfield that's got leadership qualitys then the rest of the team picks its self,
then hopfully next yr we can challange, but a lot of posters on here suggest we need 6 or 7 players when that is far from what we need.

15 Apr 2017 12:31:50
Quick question for ed001, what do you think of Matip so far?

Personally think he's a quality defender, and think he brings a bit of composure to our back four and when he doesn't play more often than not or back line is a shower of shite.

15 Apr 2017 14:45:01
Matip is quality, no doubt. But could be suspect when put under pressure and that goes for any defender. He needs to beef up his fitness, get stronger physically and mentally to cope with the pressure we face and improve his heading ability and overall, be more authoritative and dominat in key situations. He's only 25 so there's time BUT he has to want it.

15 Apr 2017 10:30:39
We missed a trick in not going for kolasnic.

15 Apr 2017 11:17:45
Not convinced. He wouldn't come here to be backup to Millner, and this is what we need for next year - a rotation alternative. James is a good fit for the Klopp system, which relies heavily on offensive fullbacks. I read that Kolasinac has greatly improved his offensive play, but I do not know if this is true.

15 Apr 2017 12:31:23
Drigan could you please explain to me how Milner is a good fit for Klopp's attacking system? He has to cut back onto his right foot every single time he wants to cross the ball which invariable slows down our attacking play and allows opposition defences to get themselves into place to defend any delivery into the box. Milner is a stopgap until we find a long-term solution - he has done better than expected and proved many (including me) wrong about his ability to play left-back - but he is a stopgap and is ultimately not the answer to this problem position.

15 Apr 2017 14:47:53
Sessegnon and Periera are the full backs that Klopp wants.

15 Apr 2017 14:59:43
Not sure Kolasinac is what Klopp wanted as fullback cos Ed02said we were interested in him. Klopp would know more about him than anyone here as he had to deal with him during the German version of the Merseyside Derby in BVB v Schalke.

There are other LB's out there especially if Klopp does not think Kolasinac is good offensively which is CRITICAL in Klopp's system cos they provide width and quality from the flanks, something I don't think Kolasinac is that good at yet.

I do agree that Milner although more than solid for us this season, is NOT the answer going into next season so an LB suitable for our system is a MUST.

16 Apr 2017 07:26:28
Milner having to cut back in probably does fit because that is not unusual for a Klopp team's wide players.

15 Apr 2017 09:35:26
Morning eds and reds
Not a rumour more an opinion
We need to get this idea of signing what people call big name players out of our heads . You look throughout Liverpool history and klopps we sign potential and make them great . It's about the right player for the system not necessarily the best player. Team and system over individual brilliance any day . Also I think demerai gray would add something to our team any chance eds?

{Ed025's Note - i agree with your principles Dhfc but demerai gray is not the answer mate, there are better players in the zingari league for me..

15 Apr 2017 10:41:35
Demarai Gray is bang average at best.

15 Apr 2017 10:31:58
Demarai Gray? Really?
You mean the next Theo Walcott or Aaron Lennon right? There is difference between having lots of pace and potential. They are two different qualities.

15 Apr 2017 15:04:44
I agree with the OP but Gray? Really? People keep moaning that we should be signing world class players or those that will significantly improve our first 11 and you mention Demaray Gray? He's a bench warmer for a reason and will NOT improve us in any shape or form. Same with the Ox. I heard that he would be a good signing for us at 35m. Are people smoking what they smoke at the Emirates?

If you have 35m to splash on a player, it is definitely not the Ox, a poor player with little end product and another sick note fron the ever-stagnating Arsenal. I would take my 35m and test Bayern's resolve with a bid for Douglas Costa. Now that, is a statement of intent, whatever that means.

16 Apr 2017 07:28:56
Right now there are already young players with potential at the club, the bigger problem seems to be having a couple more players with potential being fulfilled who can lead the squad.

15 Apr 2017 06:46:47
Kloppometor, see you took quite a nice dig at Karius saying we lost points because of Karius? You obviously did not watch our League games when he was playing.

With Karius in Goal for 10 EPL games we won 6 matches, drew 3 and lost only 1.

That is a very healthy 2.1 points per game.

Chelsea went on a run of 9 wins out of ten and if you have not noticed by now, they are 7 points ahead of Spurs.

The most comical part of your post is that you say we were 8 points behind when Karius was dropped. We are now 12 points behind since Mignolet came back.

Since Mignolet came back we are scoring at 1.88 point per game so nice try with your dig at Karius.

15 Apr 2017 09:47:36
Stats aside, he made mistakes that resulted in goals. Don't like to say it, but he did.

15 Apr 2017 10:31:39
And then we decided to bench him coz some people expressed their vents on social media.

15 Apr 2017 10:32:52
We win, lose or draw as a team. Whilst it's a cliché to say that goalkeepers' mistakes are highlighted more because they often lead to conceding a goal, it is also true. Migs has improved a fair amount this year, part of the reason for that might be that Karius is pushing him.

15 Apr 2017 10:43:41
Fencey to be fair though, he only actually made 1 error which led to a goal (which stood) and that was when he dropped a shot onto Ake's foot in the 4-3 defeat at Bournemouth.

Aside from that, despite looking shaky on crosses and a couple of bad kicks he was actually okay. At least as good as Mignolet has been since.

The disgusting hate campaigns really weren't necessary and now the fans will pay the price because our goal keeper situation is in disarray. Why the LFC fans listened to rat face is beyond me. The guy hasn't got a clue about the game, he was just good at playing it.

15 Apr 2017 11:19:31
The payet free kick comes to mind too.

15 Apr 2017 11:21:22
Migs has been an improvement though, but I still want Karius to be our number one, klopps took him out the headlines, hopefully he will come back stronger and better, he's still very young for a goalkeeper. If anyone would take mignolet, wouldn't be sad to see him go, and sign an experienced stopper to help Karius and cover if needed - not manniger I'm afraid.

15 Apr 2017 12:08:07
Taking him out of the headlines is only temporary though.
If/ when he starts next season as our number 1, the scrutiny will be just as bad, if not worse.
It was a ridiculous error to either buy him, make him our number 1 or take him out the side.
The whole goalkeeping saga has been handled terribly.

15 Apr 2017 15:16:11
Kloppometer, don't know why you use Klopp as your username as all you do is bash him or his signings. Karius was actually decent and our defensive record was quite good in the games he played in. Also, we're still conceding stupid goals for fun even with him out of the team so your argument that he cost usgoals falls flat cos our defence is still leaking them as they leave our GK's exposed.


Karius was dropped to protect him from the hate campaign against him on social media, propagated by vile, mindless comments of "supporters" probably like you who decided to take sides with a failed manc manager instead of growing a backbone and supporting our own player at his lowest point. Some LFC supporter, you are. I guess you ignored Karius' brilliant perf vs Saints in the Cup tie cos w/ o him, we would have been dead and buried in the first leg.

Karius will be no. 1 next season so he needs support and a better defence in front of him cos this may come as a shocker to many, a good defence is not down to the GK alone. It's down to the whole system.

15 Apr 2017 18:47:23
maxlfc,

I was not actually taking a dig at Karius, more at supporters like yourself who keep bigging up Karius, when he has done nothing yet to deserve it.

You can quote stats all you like but our position at the top was lost during the period between Karius coming in and being dropped. Virtually every shot at him went in. He was responsible for a lot more goals than you are admitting to and, if you're honest, his kicking wasn't that good either. Have you forgotten him kicking a goalkick out for a corner? The fact we are 12 points behind now is not related to the goalkeeping situation, more to a disastrous Mane-less January.

The best thing he has done has been putting pressure on Mignolet, who has upped his game since.

If Klopp wants to put unwanted pressure on himself in his third season, the best way he can do it will be by starting with Karius as number 1.

Karius will get next season but I predict he won't be at the club by the start of the season after. I'm prepared to wait for all your apologies until then.

15 Apr 2017 18:48:07
Karius was hopeless in the games he played and will be gone by the start of the season after next.

Open your eyes and ask yourselves what has he done to justify your blind faith.

I'm not shagging Klopp off either, he is great for Liverpool. He obviously had to give Karius game time after naming him as his number 1, but quickly realised what you have all failed to see, and took him out pronto, albeit 4 games too late.

15 Apr 2017 18:52:11
Karius should not have been dropped, klopp put him in a position to fail and did not give him the chance to show what he was made of. By leaving him out he has probably done more damage to the lads confidence than by dropping him. Mignolet was never the long term solution despite what some people on here might now think but because of funds and prioritise elsewhere i do not see us making a change this summer.

15 Apr 2017 21:53:45
Klopp0meter I find it absolutely disgusting that you would root for one of our players to fail in order for your point to be proved. There is a difference voicing your opioin and secretly rooting for our failure . I don't professional to be liverpool number one supporters but at least I go into every match with hope it my heart . My advice to you is to support Real Madrid and Barcelona, you seem like the type that enjoy certainties. We are liverpool walking through a storm means something to us that you will Never understand , leave now brother success is just one the horizon for you and your glory seeking mates.

15 Apr 2017 23:37:32
Kloppometer, stop spinning. You took a dig at Karius so own and stop deflecting. I never bigged Karius up. I posted an opinion based on what I saw cos unlike you, I actually watch the games and if you did, you would know the kid is talented BUT needed our support and a good defence to help him. But clearly, you are only interested in being right hence, you took sides with a manc who went on the internet and on TV to bully a kid who is low on confidence and still learning the game. You chose to stick the boot in when one of our own was dow. You are NO LFC supporter, my friend. Go support bara or Real where life is always great with no storms on the horizon.

Coming, I don't blame Klopp for dropping him cos the vile, hateful comments he was getting from the perrenial moaners on social media was getting out of hand.

Piaray, it's the modern day LFC fan, I'm afraid. They are only interested in being right even if that means slashing one of our own players to pieces and hoping he fails or the manager who brought him in fails so they can say, "I told you so". as if us failing will cause them no harm at all. If it does not then get out of our club cos you are NO LFC supporter and you have no opinion, just an agenda. Again, if you are one of those fans as described above, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB.

{Ed025's Note - Nred you have to give it up mate your like a dog with a bone, stop trying to convince everyone that you are right and kloppometer is wrong, you have different views on the karius issue so just leave it at that and who the hell do you think you are to tell anyone to get out of a club?!!!, you contribute some good posts but on this one you are going well over the top, i will leave it at that for the moment and hope you look back on what you have said and realize that you have overstepped the mark my friend..

16 Apr 2017 11:21:16
Ed25, I don't mind you chose the wrong club, you're great at this editing malarkey.

15 Apr 2017 05:50:34
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