Liverpool Banter Archive March 15 2016

15 Mar 2016 21:32:39
Hi Eds,

Thinking back on old players what were your thoughts on Djimi Troares time at Liverpool? I always remember him never failing to amaze me with bizzare decisions.

15 Mar 2016 22:41:45
Champions league medals
Djimi Traore - 1
Eric Cantona -0
I rest my case.

15 Mar 2016 22:46:33
His drag back into his own net in the FA Cup! Quality.

15 Mar 2016 23:02:29
He won a champions league medal 😄.

15 Mar 2016 23:51:13
He's part of our history for sure and will be remembered for playing a part in the champions league. I was watching a tribute video of him on youtube (i like to waste a lot of time) and the only clip they had was him scoring that own goal against Burnley haha.

16 Mar 2016 04:46:39
Not the most gifted player but always left everything out on the pitch when he played - he was excellent in the champions league final and is a part of our history - you can't help but admire players who give everything and Traore did that.

16 Mar 2016 07:49:07
Traore may be the worst ever player to start in a champions league final. The fact that we had lineups on that field such as Traore vs Nesta really goes to highlight how we shouldn't have won that game by any laws of nature.

16 Mar 2016 09:18:07
Traore's best game for us was the away game against Juventus in 05.

Rafa went with both Riise and Traore with Riise dropping back to LB and Traore pushing across to CB make a back 5 when defending in order to handle Zlatan, Nedved and Del Piero.

I just remember thinking after that game that he hadn't put a foot wrong, had covered huge amounts of ground and had managed to keep 3 of the best players on the planet quiet for 90minutes.

As people have said, not the most gifted player technically, but always gave his all in everything he did!

15 Mar 2016 21:50:58
Crappest player to win champions league.

15 Mar 2016 22:30:22
Djimi Troare own goal. Thoughts?

16 Mar 2016 18:05:35
a brilliant finish, shame his job was to clear it!

15 Mar 2016 17:36:59
Allan has got into the Brazil U20 squad! That's excellent news for him as it massively increases the chance of him getting a work permit.

16 Mar 2016 03:37:41
Who's disagreeing with this. for the muppets out there its not joe allen!

15 Mar 2016 09:11:07
Lads, Ian Ayre is a boyhood red. Do you not think if he could and the decision was his he would have secured all the players people blame him from missing out on. We all want Liverpool to sign the best players but at the end of the day money talks and he can only negotiate with what he is allowed to. No one knows why we didn't sign player x, y or z and are quick to jump on Ayres' back.
It's evident from every time he is interviewed regarding the club that he is a fan and deserves better than people getting on his back just for the sake of bashing someone.

15 Mar 2016 19:40:47
It's more his lack of negotiating skills - paying £10m too much per player and selling them for nothing.

15 Mar 2016 21:46:54
That "be careful what you wish for" comment he made after the fans walked out in protest of ticket prices seemed particularly ill-advised. Considering that Liverpool were number one in terms of payments to agents but not in fees paid for players you could argue that increased ticket prices were paying for his incompetence.

15 Mar 2016 13:19:54
Eds, I have a question regarding these LFC academies set up around the world. Two young lads from the Indian academy/ school have come to train with the first team this week.

Genuinely want to know what the purpose of these schools is? Will Liverpool look to sign some of these kids once they turn 18? Is it a marketing/ awareness advantage having these schools across the world? Do they make any money for the club? Would love a response.

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - The idea is that the academies are self funding, keep the profile of the club high in other parts of the world and provide opportunities for some youngsters. If they produce a player or two that will be a bonus.}

15 Mar 2016 13:28:11
Hi Ed
Has a club ever had a successful graduate from these academies that went on to first team level?
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - In terms of the academies based on other continents it is rare that any players make it through to the professional level with the club. There are exceptions, Abubakari comes to mind, but they are few and far between.}

15 Mar 2016 13:58:02
Thanks for the reply Ed, much appreciated.

15 Mar 2016 16:39:30
Thanks for the response ed.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

15 Mar 2016 16:58:42
The Indian kids are here only on a training stint for a week, and they are training with the U18s I think. Both of them have represented their country at a senior level though they are still playing kiddie football at club level in India.

15 Mar 2016 10:44:33
Any truth about FSG looking to sell the club on Eds? read a few articles but it doesn't seem to add up. One item stated interest from an UAE family. I had to check the date of the article as it seemed to be groundhog day from a few years back!

{Ed002's Note - Nothing whatsoever has changed.}

15 Mar 2016 11:15:19
Thanks Eds,

15 Mar 2016 09:20:19
What's people's thoughts on Jordan Ibe, do you think he will fulfil his potential or do you think he will stagnate in his progress.
I think a loan to a premiership side would do him the world of good but do fear for him with the likes of Ojo and Kent coming through and also because it looks like Klopp sees the need for more wingers at the club (Markovic return)
Thanks guys.

15 Mar 2016 09:28:39
I think it's more a case of support for him, my feeling is he is a player that feeds off positive feedback I wish him every bit of success at liverpool. come on ibe son .

15 Mar 2016 09:37:16
What would a loan do for him expect put his development in the hands of someone with no stake in his future?

15 Mar 2016 09:46:12
I just think playing in the premiership for a year would give him the chance to develope and mature his game.
I don't see him getting the required minutes next season to do this with us as I think Ojo will take this and we will see a lot of him.
Hope I'm proved wrong and he can really push on but this should of been the year for Jordan to nail down a place.

15 Mar 2016 10:12:07
Hjikle

A loan would guarantee him at least 20-30 games a season which would wonders to any kid. You just have to be careful in choosing the right club.
Klopp would be looking for title next season and would field the strongest team possible every week. Ibe would be left out due lack of games.

15 Mar 2016 10:29:31
Agree with that, you could see the benefits in Ibes loan to Derby his game progressed with regular minutes.
Like you say though it's got to be the right club!

15 Mar 2016 11:06:56
He will be a first team regular next season and beyond.

15 Mar 2016 11:21:02
what about canos. He is class and i think he could become a brilliant player. Markovic for me i think will be a fans favourite next year if we keep him. Fast direct tricky and he might actually get to play in his position wahoo.

15 Mar 2016 11:33:22
Klopp had been saying to keep the best youngster at the club, not loan out to others.

15 Mar 2016 11:43:22
I've been mulling over Ibe the last few days, for me his form has been one of the biggest disappointments of the season, not because I think he's no good but because I was so excited about him last summer and this has been a pretty awful year for him.

The lad has talent, pace and athleticism, last year in the lower standards of the Championship this allowed him to score a few goals but even then he wasn't creating much which, as a winger, I think is more important.

I expect he found youth football easy, he could do everything on his own and had little need to develop his movement, teamwork and interplay, that's no longer enough and he needs to develop that side of his game. If he can do that then he still has a brilliant future but it won't be easy. I'd keep him at Liverpool training with the first team but consider him a top youth prospect instead of as a squad player and give him game exposure accordingly. Give him all of next year to develop and then look at his progression next summer.

15 Mar 2016 11:58:53
Loan will guarentee him gametime will it? You mean like Ilori and Wisdom? Or like Bampford got with his Crystal Palace loan?

Loans guarentee nothing and past the point where players are really just getting their first professional minutes at any level under their belt, do not provide the value of being with the manager who actually knows how they want you to play. Ibe would only suffer long term from a season out on a fairly pointless loan.

15 Mar 2016 12:06:05
Notdeluded great shout on Canos, I should of mentioned him when included Ojo and Kent.
That's the problem I see with Ibe is that with these 3 prospects coming through and also Markovic who is around the same age as Ibe, I fear for Ibe as he should of pushed on more with being around the first team this year.
Like I said hope I'm wrong because like Muscatred mentioned I was excited to see Ibe this year and have been left disappointed.

15 Mar 2016 13:06:27
That's why it has to be the right loan move, for every Ilori there is a Harry Kane, who had 2 or 3 loans before making the grade.
Ibe won't learn anything in under 21s next year, needs to add maturity to his game and at the moment I think Ojo is catching up.

16 Mar 2016 07:52:56
You know that Kane struggled for gametime on his loans, failed to impress and the only reason Spurs didn't sell him before he starting making an impact in the Europa league was because they couldn't find a buyer right? The list of failed loan moves that do no justice to our players is endless vs the actual useful ones - and it's the same with most clubs. Look at Stewart as the most recent one - so anonymous on his loans that we barely even recognised the name when he played but boy what a player! Loans are not the answer for every young player having a few rough games.

15 Mar 2016 00:24:25
Hi eds
Any idea of what's happened to jack Dunn?
He's not on loan and looked a great prospect last few years But got unjured.
Tks.

{Ed001's Note - you said it, he suffered injuries and it ruined his progress.}

14 Mar 2016 23:15:25
Just pondering. We've had issues breaking down teams who sit back and let us have possession outside the area. Could it be that since Gerrard left, we have nobody, bar Coutinho at times, who is willing to have a crack from 25 yards out? Teams know this so don't come charging out when a midfielder has the ball in a bit of space. They expect us to try and work an opening so are in no hurry to open up a space for us. They don't seem too bothered when we get the ball out wide as we are little threat from crosses, particularly with the big money man being on the bench. Thoughts?

15 Mar 2016 01:30:31
A dimension potentially given to us next year in Grujic.

15 Mar 2016 02:16:24
Before Firmino found his feet and Sturridge was back fully fit I would of agreed. Take the Man U game, 6 saves for De Gea that night? How many of them were from outside the box?
Coutinho, Firmino and Origi are all working hard to break defenders down.

15 Mar 2016 04:52:24
Arsenal rarely shoot from outside the box under Wenger yet they play attractive football an more often than not get results. It would be nice to have someone who can smack a pile driver every now and then but probably not essential for success.

15 Mar 2016 05:43:40
We have no real goal threat from our CM players. We haven't scored one from free kick since Gerrard left and our passing range has also been terrible. Gerrard as much as fault for his positional sense made up with his fine range of passing or brilliant set piece deliveries.

15 Mar 2016 08:34:50
Gerrard stopped shooting from range long before he left.

15 Mar 2016 10:20:17
Think you'll find Coutinho scored a free-kick against West Ham a few weeks back!

But yes we desperately need a set piece taker, we haven't been been a threat from corners or free-kicks since Suarez and Gerrard left.

Anyone know why we loft corners in instead of whipping them in with pace which tends to cause a lot more problems and panic from defenders?

15 Mar 2016 11:45:25
Simply scarface, we're crap at set pieces.

Set piece specialist is key this summer. They can turn matches on their head from nothing, regardless of the balance of play, and can ruin your own game if you concede from one out of the blue.

15 Mar 2016 12:00:48
Hendo and Can regularly shoot from range, and Frim does as well when he wants to. We take plenty of shots from outside the box, they just aren't often that good.

Someone does need to stay late and practise set plays though.

15 Mar 2016 12:13:05
We are indeed aweful at shooting from long range and at set piece deliveries so you shouldn`t be sgocked we don`t score from them. This comes down to coaching and hardwork on the training pitch. Grujic has a good shot on him as I`ve seen but I wouldn`t pressure on him as he`s just a kid although Klopp rates him highly.