Liverpool Banter Archive August 16 2016

16 Aug 2016 22:59:33
The deal for Benteke is expected to go ahead by the end of the week, but the £30.5mil deal (and that's the fee Liverpool want and have told Place that) will have to be reframed by Palace, as one of the clauses by Palace included £2.5 million should they qualify for CL with Benteke scoring 20 goals and playing 70% of fixtures.

16 Aug 2016 23:51:39
No deal for me - CP aren't going to get CL.

17 Aug 2016 01:45:25
Is that the Crystal Palace that lost their opening day fixture? If I was benteke I would want to fight for my place. I can't see us letting him go for anything close to what we paid or what they would be willing to pay although bolasie going does open them up a bit financially.

17 Aug 2016 06:51:48
The sort of offer we have been infamous of making recently. If Palace wants the player, then know the money it takes and have known so for a while.

17 Aug 2016 11:40:00
Abolsutely no need to budge down. Did Leicester budge down their valuation on Chilwell?

16 Aug 2016 22:12:52
Evening eds quick question how come nobody has looked at Robbie Brady I think he'd be a great fit at lfc works his socks off.

{Ed001's Note - because he is not good enough.}

16 Aug 2016 22:29:04
Friend of mines a season ticket holder at Carrow Rd and recons Brady is good enough for a top 4 side.
Not seen enough myself to give a opinion.

16 Aug 2016 22:51:25
He's looked good for Ireland, but that's across four different positions and international football isn't a reliable indicator of how a player performs at club level.

Certainly the only position I can see him playing for us is left back and I don't think he's good enough there to be worth going for. And as we already have about 20 midfielders at the club there's no point in buying him as a midfield option.

16 Aug 2016 23:25:16
Robbie Brady is a mid table player at best. Awful player.

17 Aug 2016 06:53:52
Brady might be an improvement on Moreno, but then most other LBs are.

17 Aug 2016 07:14:53
I guarantee if Liverpool were close to signing him he would suddenly be the answer to all our problems. 'Come on lads, let's get behind him'.

17 Aug 2016 08:50:09
Genuinely think he's a decent right back, that said I am Irish so tinted glasses but his distribution is really great and imo rarely caught out defensively. He's versatile as well and can play left and right. Not to mention his corners could offer something. No point in arguing that he was our best player at euros. I'll still say it though.

17 Aug 2016 08:51:39
He is poor man's beckham. Cross reasonably well though.

17 Aug 2016 08:53:48
Dyslexic moment. I meant left back. Apologies.

17 Aug 2016 15:12:51
Anyone who calls Robbie Brady an 'awful player' has truly 'awful' scouting skills. Sure, Brady's name now carries more weight following the Euros, but anyone who has watched him regularly knows just how good he is - and was not at all surprised to see him star for Ireland.

He has been highly rated ever since he joined Fergie at Utd, and was a star at youth level for Ireland - where he played primarily as a winger. Since leaving Utd he has been converted to full-back/ sometimes winger and unfortunately has played in two very archaic/ poor Hull and Norwich sides - where to his credit, he has remained respected by the fans of both sides for maintaining good performances - earning a £7m move from Hull - and impressing again despite Norwich getting relegated, now being touted for another move. Along with the likes of Jonny Howson, Brady remained free from the brunt of blame for their relegation. He is simply too good for the Championship. (and yep, good players can play in relegated sides - even Roy Keane)

Brady is strong on the ball and maintains possession well. For me, his best position is at full back, where he is truly excellent going forward. His crossing is superb - no exaggeration - as anyone who watches him will testify. His delivery on set-pieces is also superb. He is also an excellent dribbler and has great pace. Playing at full-back gives him space to use all these attributes. He is also strong defensively, fearless, works and fights like a Trojan, and never looks out of his depth - no matter who the opposition.

Ireland's over-running by Belgium owed a lot to his absence at left-back - and that he was selected to play in a multitude of attacking roles is a testament to Martin O'Neill recognising that Brady has more skill and ability than most of Ireland's attackers (he is Ireland's record goalscorer at U21 level) . He gets the same treatment at Norwich too - sometimes playing left back and sometimes on the wing when deploying a 442. This is a waste of how his talents can be used in a more sophisticated system imo.

Brady is not a just a good player based on the Euros. Those who think this way are clearly saying so because they didn't notice him until the Euros. He was Ireland's young player of the year before the Euro's, and some of us have been impressed for some time - even since back in his days as a young winger in Fergie's youth sides - and with some justification.

If he signed for us as a left-back, I feel he would be loved. Playing there regularly would help him improve even further. He is better than Moreno by some distance, and I'd love to see it. But I doubt Klopp has been following him for long - but you never know. He would be a great signing for a lot of sides. Arsenal could do a lot worse too.

But seriously. Calling Robbie Brady an 'awful player', or even a 'poor player' is basically an admission of footballing ignorance. Nonsense.

16 Aug 2016 21:19:31
Predicting movement on a full back by Thursday.

16 Aug 2016 21:47:48
Doubt it mate. Its been said Milner will be used.

16 Aug 2016 23:21:18
Bowel movement maybe😀.

17 Aug 2016 06:41:19
Positive vibes is all we have ha ha.

17 Aug 2016 07:18:37
Isn't Kevin Stewart a LB also?

16 Aug 2016 20:05:37
Hello eds

Have Liverpool ever had Lookman from Charlton watched? Charlton fans I've spoken to rate him higher than gomez or shelvey in there time.

{Ed002's Note - No but everyone else has.}

16 Aug 2016 21:54:56
I'm a season ticket holder at Charlton, and I can tell you he looks a cut above the rest. They protect him well and he usually gets 30 minutes or so at the moment. If he stays here and doesn't move too early he could be a real talent.

16 Aug 2016 21:56:54
Thanks Deuce.

16 Aug 2016 23:21:17
Charlton seems to have a conveyor belt churning out talented youngsters. Do they have good coaches or something?

{Ed001's Note - yes they do.}

16 Aug 2016 18:50:13
Had to go without mobile internet for about 5 hours earlier today and it drove me insane not being able to check this site. I made it through though!

16 Aug 2016 17:38:55
Eds Would Palace be matching Benteke's current wages? Bony would be a much cheaper option for both the fee and wages.

{Ed001's Note - how on earth do you figure out Bony, who is on a lot more than Benteke, would be a cheaper option? As for anything else, it would depend on the deal agreed as to what they would pay him, how on earth can anyone answer questions like that without guessing?}

16 Aug 2016 16:19:36
I commented on the United page about a fantasy player swap. Fantasy being the key word. Which player (only one) would you take from united? I'd have said de gea all day if we hadn't have bought a. promising keeper however in current circumstances i'd want luke shaw. I think when he gets his fitness and form back he'll continue to improve and be top class. I think he'll be the best left back in the premier league for many many years and in world football.

16 Aug 2016 16:32:43
I'd take Pogba and sell him back to United for x100 the price.

16 Aug 2016 16:34:35
Still de gea, he was the difference between them finishing 5th and 15th last year. Shaw is good but not as important to the team as having de gea at the bottom of the spine.

16 Aug 2016 17:49:25
Juventus have already done that with Pogba.

16 Aug 2016 17:58:03
De Gea for me without a doubt.

16 Aug 2016 18:15:07
Depends on Karius really, de gea might win us 10 points over Karius, but shaw could save Moreno throwing away 15.

16 Aug 2016 18:27:48
Swap? As in, we get one of their players and they get one of ours? In that case it would be Moreno for Blind! And I'd have Blind as our new left back like he played for Holland.

16 Aug 2016 18:33:15
Blind mk? Blind?! Mate have you seen him play? You'd have blind ahead of shaw?

16 Aug 2016 18:58:31
Blind is a great player. Reminds me of a left footed Lucas, but without the injuries. His awareness is excellent, his positioning is great, he is an excellent tackler and his passing from deep is sublime. Weak in the air though and doesn't seem to communicate with his partner, which is why I would have him at left back.

Obviously De Gea, Bailly, Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Martial, Rashford etc are better individuals, but we need a solid left back. So if it had to be a United player it would be Blind. Not saying he is who I would pick from the whole world of left backs though.

I've been through the Shaw thing lol. He did nothing to convince me otherwise on Sunday either. In fact his lack of concentration and poor touch should have cost United a goal. He literally controlled it at the back post for the Bournemouth striker (Wilson? ) only for him to shank his shot wide.

I do think Shaw is a good young player, but I'm still not seeing what all the fuss is about right now. Potential is not what we need. Otherwise just put Maguire or Juanma at left back.

Blind may be aging, but he is a really classy player who would instantly sure up our left back slot. Just my opinion though buddy.

16 Aug 2016 20:03:46
I'd swap them De Gea for Balotelli.

16 Aug 2016 23:26:59
Taking De Gea off them would weaken them massively and strengthen us. Taking Shaw should (assuming he recovers properly from the leg break) strengthen us considerably and weaken them (but less than taking De Gea from them) . So it depends on what your aim is I guess.

But i like Ron's suggestion (even though I think Balo is nowhere near as bad as some on this site)

{Ed001's Note - just so long as we don't end up with Blind. He is too slow and too poor positionally to be any use. Absolutely nothing like Lucas.}

17 Aug 2016 00:20:53
I wouldn't take any of them. They have been tainted.

16 Aug 2016 13:07:22
We have too many midfielders however we don't have a medel type midfielder. A defensive midfielder that's going to give the back 4 protection. Lucas clearly isn't fancied. I would love medel because he's exactly what we need.

16 Aug 2016 15:12:46
Stewart will do the job here in my eyes.

16 Aug 2016 15:30:22
I've seen glimpses from Stewart but nothing near enough to suggest that he's the answer.

16 Aug 2016 15:33:42
It'd be a waste having Medel as a pure DM, he's more than that, he just does the defensive side of things very well.

16 Aug 2016 16:35:09
I like Medel, but have no problems with Can playing there. He was good at Bayern in a similar role.

16 Aug 2016 17:47:42
Medel is on a different level to Can atm, but no doubt Can will develop into an excellent cm.

16 Aug 2016 20:47:05
In the the comparison, who would you choose, Kante or Medel?

16 Aug 2016 13:41:44
Ed01, do you think the reason Klopp wants to play Milner at left back is because he really likes him as a player (experience, attitude, work-rate etc. ) and therefore wants him in the team. As he knows there's not a place for him in midfield, this is the only position available?

{Ed001's Note - and because he is paid too much to sit on the sidelines or offload. Klopp does like his attitude a lot, but he also was happy to replace him in midfield, so you can be sure he is not just going to be shoehorned in constantly.}

16 Aug 2016 14:07:11
What is Millners actualy position though? He played all over for City and I think he was attacking midfield when he was with villa and new castle.

He signed for us to play as a central midfield but is good enough to play that position?

I think he'll end up being utility man this season and may leave next season.

Love his attitude and work rate though.

16 Aug 2016 12:43:52
Maybe I'm experiencing I'm going crazy but is Mignolet really as bad as said on here, he isn't at the level of the likes of De Gea and Courtois but he's a decent Premier League keeper. He's good at punching the ball an getting distance with his punches, doesn't usually flap due to just punching the ball out the area, has average kicking ability, (the likes of Bogdan showed me what bad kicking ability really was), has great reflexes and agility which gives him great rubbish stopping ability, and is definitely one of the best around at saving penalties. Don't get me wrong he has his faults, lack of composure which spreads through the defence, poor communication, the best tell their defenders where to be, always has a mistake on him and could get so more accuracy on his kicks but the distance is fine. Mignolet is far less a problem than Moreno in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - he doesn't usually flap because bad decision making leaves him dithering on his line and not getting near enough to flap, let alone punch. His kicking is appalling, worse than Bogdan's, not sure where you got the idea he was worse. Those great reflexes are nowhere to be seen whenever a shot is taken on goal, how many saves did he make yesterday? Was it one? The penalty, which is not about reflexes or agility, but about going the right way. His reflexes were not quick enough to even react to the deflection yesterday, let alone make any attempt to save it. His reflexes are not great and his lack of ability to kick sees him trying to get down with his hands to any shot that he should have stuck out a foot and stopped easily. Every striker, and coach, worth their salt knows to keep it low and close to Mignolet and it will go through him.}

16 Aug 2016 13:06:19
The deflection for chamberlins goal wasn't sharp or very fast and was saveable. I decent goal keeper would have kept it out and i mean decent not world class.

He is still taking a touch before clearing the ball from his feet and nearly gave me a heart attack with him dribbling as an arsenal player came to close him in the first half. All because he is not comfortable kicking it first time and likes to take a touch.

We need Karius back as soon as possible and hopefuly he will be a lot better.

Can, Karius and lb (millner/ gomez/ new signing) will make us better.

{Ed001's Note - I said the same thing, a top shotstopper would have got something on that. Might not have saved it, but they would have reacted, rather than just watched it. He has not got fast enough reactions. We need a better coach for the keepers, as that is one of the easiest things to work on, yet it is clear his reactions have got worse.}

16 Aug 2016 13:35:04
Ed is right. After watching the goal again, Migs only reacted after the bounce of the ball and did not anticipate that the ball would bounce, which would have given him a chance to get something on it. In those situations, if you allow the ball to bounce, it`s already past you before you can react. To do that, he would have needed to anticipate first, then move his feet one step to the left and gamble on where the bounce would end up after the first bounce. You have to be able to anticipate and be proactive as a GK and not be reactive, which is what Mingo is. But since his footwork is poor and doesn't move his feet fast enough, he can`t do any of that hence, the goal happened. I still believe when Karius is fit, he will be the starter.

16 Aug 2016 14:13:22
I have said this for three seasons, his reactions and decision making are the main reasons he needs replacing. He often waits far to long before reacting instead of anticipating the danger. Great Keepers control situations. He doesn't command the penalty area the way a top class keeper should. The Eds right that low shots beat him every time and that's because he waits for shots to be struck before reacting.

{Ed001's Note - low shots beat him because he is afraid to use his feet and tries to get his hands to everything.}

16 Aug 2016 14:32:08
Agree with ed01. Migs is a poor keeper and there's no denying that. Ed01, do you think Cech should have done better with our second and third goal? I think he was very poor for the second, the third is maybe me being harsh as it happened quite fast.

{Ed001's Note - Cech looks a shadow of his former self since signing for Arsenal. He is nowhere near his best and could have done a bit better.}

16 Aug 2016 14:32:08
Agree with ed01. Migs is a poor keeper and there's no denying that. Ed01, do you think Cech should have done better with our second and third goal? I think he was very poor for the second, the third is maybe me being harsh as it happened quite fast.

{Ed001's Note - Cech looks a shadow of his former self since signing for Arsenal. He is nowhere near his best and could have done a bit better.}

16 Aug 2016 14:39:56
I think I may be letting the rest of Bogdan's football ability cloud my judgement on his kicking. I have sen Mignolet make acrobatic saves on the past so I do think he has great reflexes they weren't on show against Arsenal though agreed, agree with the penalty bit, but he has shown consistent ability to save penos. His decision making is poor I agree but he has been trying for a while now to punch the ball at set pieces, and when he does get there he gets a good amount of distance on them.

16 Aug 2016 13:23:20
Maybe Alex Manninger has been brought in to guide and influence the GKs more than anything. Not as a coach but as a senior presence.

We've been hearing you say the GK coach are not the best for ages now. Maybe this is the solution. Still Migs got to go.

{Ed001's Note - he is there so Ward can go out on loan and get experience.}

16 Aug 2016 16:44:17
Ed001 do you think ward could be fighting with karius for a starting place next season, anyone is better than migs but do you think he has the attitude and ability? does klopp rate him? to be our future no 1 or is it see how he does on loan this season cheers.

{Ed001's Note - it is a case of see how he gets on. It is too early to judge, but he does look to have a lot of potential. He is particularly good on the ball apparently, which is a very useful trait in modern day football.}

16 Aug 2016 19:40:23
If David Wagner is impressed with Ward, so will Klopp.

16 Aug 2016 11:03:27
Eds wanted your thoughts on player fitness please and with Coutinho cramping up around the hour mark on Sunday would that indicate that his fitness is not were he should be at or is it just down to the effort he put into the game and the way Klopp has them pressing? Surely by now players should be at there fitest?

If you compare to Wijnaldum, Henderson they seemed to be fine and playing in the centre put in a busier shift?

{Ed001's Note - it takes weeks for players to get up to speed, the first three or four games you still have to get match sharpness and fitness. It is totally different doing it in training to the real thing, when the adrenalin is pumping and then you can get what is known as an adrenalin dump, which causes you to hit the wall. I would say his performance and goals had him on such an adrenalin high that it caused it.}

16 Aug 2016 16:56:46
Anyone remember Carragher playing right back against Arsenal, Henry started playing left wing just to torment him, it was bullying pure and simple.
Left back specialist needed, but who.

16 Aug 2016 11:42:58
Hi Ed, saw a report this morning that Klopp is happy to stick with Moreno and have Milner/ Gomez as back up this season? Is this true or are we still looking for another LB? For me the main weaknesses in the team are LB and a defensive midfielder and I think if Klopp targets these positions we can challenge. Thanks for the hardwork!

{Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

16 Aug 2016 08:49:02
Ed's - if Sahko did leave, we would be left with 3 centre backs. Lucas can cover but may leave (although currently injured) . Gomez injured. Klopp would be forced to dip into the transfer market again. However, Medel can play in that position too.

{Ed002's Note - Gomez will be fit soon.}

16 Aug 2016 09:42:27
We cannot keep buying just to cover injuries.

Gomez will be fit soon, and as Square Tomato said the other day, he was told he will get chances.

That leaves us with 4 CB.

16 Aug 2016 09:49:24
I'm with Kaizer, the purpose of having 4 CBs is so you have one on the bench and one to cover for injuries. If two are injured you use emergency cover from the first team or bring in someone from the u-23s on the bench. If 3 are injured you're just really unlucky.

16 Aug 2016 10:34:35
Refer to the fiasco that will be remembered forever as"Caulker".
We don't need a repeat.

16 Aug 2016 13:23:58
As I thought we had done when I was away for a few days, couldn't get any news and hear some people next to on the plane mention that we had signed Woodgate. I was almost catatonic!

16 Aug 2016 08:33:14
Hey ed001 and other posters,
Wondering what your thoughts are on Lallanas more central performance against Arsenal, if I'm not mistaken he was played in his more traditional role at Southampton and found he was quite effective against Arsenal.

P. S first post on the site but a long term reader, massive fan of the work you and the other Eds put into the site!

{Ed001's Note - he played mainly on the left of the attacking three in the Prem at Southampton, not centrally. He was poor, in my opinion, for most of the game, dwelling on the ball and losing it a few times. However, he stepped up when it mattered and it is the first game so might just have been off the pace due to a bit of rustiness. For me though, they found it easy to attack us through the middle, he offers little defensively, other than getting in the way. Sadly he was at fault on the first and got in Clyne's way to allow Oxlade-Chamberlain to get past far too easily, with no real attempt to stop him. I really was not impressed with him at all for 85 minutes of the match. He needs to quicken up or he is going to end up being a liability.}

16 Aug 2016 10:02:42
Sorry but we have all got to stop looking for positives in players that just aren't there, people down the page saying Mingolet played well trying to find microscopic parts of morenos play be positive about and lallanas next in line by the look of it.

Making excuses and trying to stay positive about a player is one of the reasons we haven't won the league since 90, these three are simply not good enough, there so poor that when they do manage to put in an above average performance people jump on it like there world beaters. Let's just call a spade a spade, not good enough end of!

16 Aug 2016 10:35:13
Are you saying that Barry Venison was a better player than Moreno?

16 Aug 2016 11:29:53
The juicer i'd dare say torben piechnik was a better left back than moreno and torben was a cd couldn't have been much worse the more I watch of moreno the more im. convincing myself konchesky was a much better left back even tho I know it can't possibly be true although around February last season sky did a article on the premier leagues best defenders and amazingly moreno was at the top of the assist list no idea why or how.

16 Aug 2016 11:38:57
Oh I can't believe I almost forgot about nicky tanner.

16 Aug 2016 11:46:07
Barry Venison was a very underrated player. If memory serves me right he was captain of Sunderland against Norwich in a Milk Cup final in Wembley. Plus he had lovely hair.
Unlike me so it's not a Barry thing.

16 Aug 2016 12:04:02
The best football I saw since 1990 was Rodgers' 13/ 14, and Klopp's tenure to date is shaping up in a similar manner.

The best team I saw since 1990 was Benitez'. Better balanced and defended as a unit. Get the spine right and go from there. And presently, for me, the keeper is not right, centre defence lacks pace, as does deeper midfield.
So it goes beyond nit picking Moreno to bits.
IF Lucas was Kante, and Lovren was Sol Campbell and Mignolet was Clemence what would you think then?

16 Aug 2016 13:01:07
And if my aunt had boll**ks she'd be my uncle.

16 Aug 2016 13:01:41
waro,

i don't think it's about trying to find microscopic positives. it's more about giving praise where it's due. we hammer said players enough for the bad stuff.

moreno for whatever reason you want to give was much less of a car crash/ liability in the 2nd half - and mingo saved a pen and wasn't at fault for any of the goals we conceded.

i know you struggle with positivity waro ;)

{Ed001's Note - that is not giving credit where it is due though. Moreno was not as crap is not being positive, it is embarrassing that it has become our aspiration. Paisley would have cleaned house the moment he took over, the likes of Moreno would not have even had time to say hello boss before Paisley would have got them out of the door. Unfortunately times have changed and we seem to have a requirement to mollycoddle underperforming players, because otherwise we might hurt the dears feelings.

Fore me watching the warm ups summed up Moreno, he was doing the warm up routine in the circle, and at every change of exercise he was the last to notice it had changed, even though he was near the coach, because he wasn't listening. He clearly does not listen to instruction, if you are not going to listen and learn, then you will not improve. If you are not going to improve then you have to go. Every single player should be looking to improve constantly or be shipped out for someone who is.}

16 Aug 2016 13:40:17
Hi Eds

I may be making this up, but i'm sure at some point last season it was mentioned that Moreno was having trouble learning English. If this is true, do you think that has anything to do with him not listening to instructions?

I struggle to believe he was as bad defensively with Sevilla as he is with us, otherwise we wouldn't have signed him in the first place.

As i said, i may have made this up entirely, and I never really watch post-match interviews or anything so never heard him speak, was just curious.

{Ed002's Note - Scraping the barrel for excuses - but you are right his English is poor and only maginally better than Gerrard's.}

16 Aug 2016 14:10:15
87red, it's not positivity though is it it's blind faith, a never ending hope that one day they'll learn one day the penny will drop but it won't and people like yourself excusing poor players will keep undermining the team and we'll all end up accepting mediocrity as the norm and anything slightly above that will have the masses all excited over a player who's slightly above average, actually I'm not sure if we're not already at that point to be honest the way some fans on here go overboard about an OK performance.

If we want to get back to were we were then accepting mediocrity is not an option, if you want to go down that path then can I suggest you go and support Everton, there's a best selling dvd 📀 out now EVERTONS 50 GREATEST THROW INS! That should get you started fella😉.

16 Aug 2016 14:41:44
Waro is right. 87red, saying that somebody is negative because he speaks the truth is the hight of moral bankrucy, IMO. It is not an insult to say that a player who is awful, is awful. That is a statement of fact. People should stop always trying to paint a rosey picture about our club and certain players in areas where they are severely lacking. We will never be able to tell the hard truths and have a meaningful and honest debate about the issues if many on here keep telling us that the sun is shining whereas, we are seeing dark clouds. Moreno is awful and has been since he got here. That is a fact that can be verified by visual evidence. As Ed said, the guy is almost mentally unfit to be a professional footballer as he doesn`t listen, uncoachable and doesn`t seem to actually care about improving. It is because many make pathetic axcuses for poor players being poor is the reason why they are still here and why we can`t get a title run going. Sometimes, there are no silver linings after a storm and you have to make decisive decisions. if you cannot contribute to our success, you need to get gone, period. Stop defending the indefensible because you don`t wanna sound negative or because you wanna look like our no.1 fan as it`s becoming boring and is showing rank irresponsibility to do so.

16 Aug 2016 13:08:01
Ed001 credit to you. Like many of us I have read almost everything there is to read about the Arsenal Liverpool match. You are the only one to mention Lallana hindering Clyne for their goal. Great shout from you.

{Ed001's Note - has it not been mentioned before? I thought it was one of the most noticeable features. I am not a fan of Clyne's defending, but it is difficult for him to defend when his own team mate blocks him off!}

16 Aug 2016 15:42:07
I saw the lame hearted challenge he put in which only seemed to distract Clyne who if left alone, would have done a better job of stopping the Ox. Lallana was just loitering there and eventually contributed to the goal instead of preventing it.

16 Aug 2016 06:38:55
Fellow reds, where do you see our on field leadership coming from? I'd particularly like to hear the views of fans who actually attend the games. It appeared the Klavan was quite vocal and urged the players on toward the end of the Arsenal game, but who do you see and hear during the game, at the ground?

16 Aug 2016 07:44:13
At the back, Lovren is very aggressive and tries to be assertive. He was pretty vocal when I saw the pre-season game against Chelsea.

16 Aug 2016 07:46:24
Not from Henderson anyway.

16 Aug 2016 08:17:59
Leave it out davey.

16 Aug 2016 09:02:26
Back in the day we had a leader at the back and a midfield general. I'm thinking Souness and McMahon, I don't see that player now.

16 Aug 2016 09:19:17
and Gerrard of course.

16 Aug 2016 10:28:00
WiseLFC - he was sitting 2 up from henry the other night! 😉.

16 Aug 2016 13:03:35
i think klopp is trying to instill more of a collective responsibility throughout the team as apose to relying on one leader to drive performance and effort.

he's buying players that share the bravery/ leadership quality.

17 Aug 2016 10:00:23
@davey bootle - why? Henderson lead by example against Arsenal - he got up and down countless times, was strong in the challenge, positionally sound and played excellently. His attitude is excellent as is his work rate - captains don't always have to bellow at players, they can sometimes set the tone through their performance.