Liverpool Banter Archive December 16 2013

 

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16 Dec 2013 23:54:50
Like to hear everyone's view on this: are we more fluid with Henderson in the attacking midfield role and Coutinho on the left, or do you still prefer Coutinho in the am role and Hendo on the right?

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I like to see Hendo CM, where he belongs.

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Good question, I personally think that Coutinho is best suited to the middle, Tottenham were weak but especially in their defence via injuries, lack of cohesion, tactics, they were very weak, I think it's fair to type that Couitnho will certainly have tougher games with much less freedom than he experienced on Sunday, whilst playing out left but he did a fantastic job, so has he played himself into that position, in Rodgers thinking?

Or, has Henderson stamped his mark on the position in Rodgers plans? No doubt he was a beast unleashed in the middle, his awareness of his team mates runs and position looks like it is coming into it's own and he has got the confidence to play a first time ball with his back to the runner, or swaggering passed Dawson and drawing a clever forced error/foul, charging the last defender and toeing the ball into Suarez dash, Henderson is sure becoming the creative midfield catalyst we have so long craved and needed to offer Gerrard competition, support and rest bite.

I like that Henderson will bust his gut in any position, I think that's a good asset for Rodgers to have, Gerrard moving out right when Rafa thought it best for the balance of the team has it's similarities. Henderson has that gritty quality to his game, even if he'll struggle at times, that is a great option for the manager.

Coutinho I feel is slightly less versatile (not less technical, or less skillful) but less multidimensional. Coutinho can't help himself but to push the ball forward every time the chance arises, that's why he's so loved by us, he can't help but to try and carve out chances whether well calculated or extremely risky he's an assist machine and still so bleeding young it's scary to think how much potential he truly has.

Ultimately after my bro'mance for them both is drawing to an end, I love that they can interchange and slip into the gaps left behind, it's fast becoming a thing a quality. Henderson can play anywhere across the midfield and if asked he'd no doubt put the keepers gloves on if the need ever arose. :) This is a sign for me, of Rodgers being the manager. We all remember that much was made of the ''tiki taki'' style Rodgers is a fan of but less remembered is Rodgers desire for fluid Dutch styled football to blend into it.

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17 Dec 2013 07:33:01
Henderson as CM, that's hism best, and that's where we want him to succeed. Countinho in the Middle. Salah on the left and Sterling on the Right. SuArez upfront.
Thats More than Enough.

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I think they can interchange throughout the game. When the opposition has a strong midfield, I think Henderson will go through the middle.

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So we just ditch sturridge harry?

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17 Dec 2013 09:51:51
Sturridge Is Injured. Once he comes back. Suarez would drop deep and Sterling would compete with Salah in the wings.

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17 Dec 2013 12:25:10
I think Coutinho has the vision and skill to hurt the opposition from the left, right, or the centre. I think Henderson has the tenacity and drive to hurt the opposition from all 3 positions as well though. However, Henderson when played centrally offers a pressing work rate and ability to race back and defend that Coutinho does not. For that reason I beleive Henderson offers more in the central position in comparison to what he offers out wide, whereas Coutinho offers a similar threat in either postion. therefore, I'd keep Hendo central. Henderson is second only to Luis Suarez when it comes to assists this season in our team (this is if we only consider assists from open play). He is actually a very good link up player when he is afforded the freedom to go forward that Lucas and Allen gave him. His driving runs cut Tottenhams defence to shreds.

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Coutinho on the left drifting in.
Henderson provides better pressing high up the pitch and also gets into the box more and physically doesn't get bullied by the opposition centre backs when doing so.
The set up against Spurs was perfect. Just hope Johnson can improve his defensive game as chadli beat him down the line a few times. it was only the cover that stopped the crosses.
Skrtl also needs to realise that his punt is 100% better and more accurate than mignolet's punt. So he rather do it himself than play the backpass to punt.

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I think having hendo in the center will give cout space on the left with the way hendo is making runs, so would keep him there myself

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17 Dec 2013 14:54:10
Henderson had an excllent Link Ups with Suarez.
The Differnce captaincy made to Suarez, He was enjoying his responsibilites. Dropping deep. collecting the ball. Assisting rather than Shooting.
Captained Ajax at the age of 21, He would Blossom in that Role.

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With Lucas in the classic #5 holding/sweeper midfielder role, Henderson is ideal for the classic #8 and Coutinho in the classic #10 role. Allen as a CM #6.

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Difference is Suarez?

I thought he has always played with the heart on his sleeve. (not be belittling the armband, just pointing out a fact).

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16 Dec 2013 23:13:55
Evening again gents, just thought I would pay you boys another visit.
Hand on hearts time lads, what do you think of your chances of keeping hold of the incredible, the one, the only, Luis Suarez?
He certainly won't be leaving in January and as much as I hate to admit defeat, I don't think I will ever see him gracing an Arsenal shirt, but can you boys see him leaving/staying in the summer?
Personally, if you don't finish top 4 this season I think he will leave, almost certainly to Real Madrid.
What do you think?

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He will leave regardless of top four. He doesn't want to be here for the long term. We will see him stay for the remainder of the season and then he is gone.

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DG, personally I think the summer will see an offer from either Real or Chelsea. Whether it will be enough is another matter, but I feel he will not be here next season.
Where as other strikers get replaced with other strikers, it is hard to see how any amount of money will replace him.
After the bite on Ivanovic and the antics in the summer, I wanted him gone. I must humbly admit though that I am glad he has stayed as he has given us some of our brightest displays and greatest optimism for 5 long years.

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He was never going to Arsenal, I don't think you gooners understand very well.

Liverpool will not sell to Arsenal. Until the table started shaping up, Arsenal were considered Liverpool's top 4 rival. It does however seem to look like we're your title rival, which now will make it even more impossible to let Suarez join Arsenal.

Let's see how you bounce back from that 6-3 defeat to City, you might have your annual crumble yet!

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16 Dec 2013 23:53:38
I don't think just finishing in the top 4 will be enough for Suarez to want to stay (if any result will make him want to stay, that is). He doesn't want to play in the Champions League, he wants to win it. And he wants to win it soon. And unfortunately, at the moment, you can hardly say it's likely that Liverpool are going to win the CL in the next 5 years.

The only way that perspective could possibly change is if we won the title, or maintained a very convincing title challenge all the way up to the end of the season. And I think that's just a bit beyond us at the moment. (Then again, I wasn't expecting to be 2nd in mid-December).

Now that being said, Suarez is quite possibly the best player in the world at the moment. Even if he pushes VERY hard to get out, he's not going for less than £50m, and I'd hope for a lot more. There aren't too many clubs with that sort of money for one player. One of them has to be interested in him and prepared to play ball with us. And he has to be interested in them. I'd imagine PSG would have less pull for him than Real, for example.

It's going to be another battle of wills over the summer. We won the last one, and should be in a stronger position for the next one. But Suarez won't stay here forever unless he thinks we're going to win things regularly, and the simple reality is that high profile players generally have more power than clubs. So unless we're winning things, we're going to lose the battle eventually and Suarez will leave.

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If we finish up in the top four, which I have no doubt we can and BR can convince him that any old super-star can play for Real Madrid or Barcelona and win a CL medal but only a true super-star can do like wise with a resurgent Liverpool, then we may have a chance.Bringing Liverpool back to the top of the European football tree is the biggest job in world football other than that of an England manager delivering the world cup.I'd love to think he had the stomach for the job and the desire for that glory, for only then could he be remembered in the annals of the games history as a true legend. But I fear the
money, sun, sea and sangria may prove too big a draw.He was nailed on to go so who knows, it would his loss not ours!

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Personally I don't think he cares about winning the CL or even playing in it nearly as much as he cares about the money associated with the 'big clubs' who are in it instead. I don't mean that as a negative as we simply all want what's best for our families and I don't think he's any different especially since the life of a professional footballer is not a lengthy one.

I'd like to think he could be perhaps persuaded that becoming a Liverpool legend by sticking around for another 6-7 years is worth more than a substantially bigger bank account might be, but that seems a very difficult argument to win.

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If we finish up in the top four, which I have no doubt we can and BR can convince him that any old super-star can play for Real Madrid or Barcelona and win a CL medal but only a true super-star can do like wise with a resurgent Liverpool, then we may have a chance.Bringing Liverpool back to the top of the European football tree is the biggest job in world football other than that of an England manager delivering the world cup.I'd love to think he had the stomach for the job and the desire for that glory, for only then could he be remembered in the annals of the games history as a true legend. But I fear the
money, sun, sea and sangria may prove too big a draw.He was nailed on to go so who knows, it would be his loss!

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It all comes down to his family. If they are happy to stay he will stay. He will have CL, a good pay rise and live in a place where he's loved. But his family is more important than anything. let's hope they settle and get used to the weather :)

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Personally I think he has gone ed02 has successfully drummed it into us that he wants out. If we came close to a title challenge who knows? He would of moved to arsenal and they are not odds on too win the champions league (no offence). I really hope he changes his mind if we keep a good form going and we give him a fat pay rise to keep him because he is just too good!

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^^^ good shout.
I think if we get champions league and are fighting for the title, FSG will offer Luis a new contract possibly 200K +
I think he is worth that and deserves that.
If we don't make the champions league, I personally feel that he deserves to be playing in it, with the best players in the world, and I will say good luck to you la.
Thanks for the memories :0)
We just can't get enough! Ohh we just can't get enough.

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17 Dec 2013 05:17:29
I think looking back to the summer Suarez couldn't see Liverpool challenging for any silverware and therefore just wanted to move anywhere that he could be, so Arsenal may have been viable at that time, but make no mistake, the lad wants to play for Real Madrid.
Now, regardless of where we finish he will go, and people thinking otherwise need to pinch themselves, hard. Look at Ronaldo, he was winning/challenging for everything with United. Highest paid, most renowned player in England and with a certainty at being one of the games Legends. Suarez is the same. Regardless of what were challenging for its Real Madrid. I can understand the desire to play for them. If/when he goes he will still be remembered as a top player for and by us, one who came with baggage but was our only truly world class player at a time when our great club was struggling to get into the most prestigious club competition in the world. Just like Ronaldo is revered as one of the greatest United players, just one who could have given Tom Daly a run for his money in Diving.
If Suarez still wanted to move to Arsenal at the end of the season or a team like Juve, Monaco, City then I would be truly outraged because we can offer him similar opportunities as those clubs and as a club are at the same level in terms of stature if not money that those clubs are. I can however make peace with the draw of a Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, PSG, these teams are the worlds power houses currently, with Real Madrid well out I front in terms of club stature and history, I mean they're the Galacticos!!
Suarez is showing us the player he can be this season, world class on the ball but with a shackled temperament also, something I believe he is working very hard at to help generate a move. Teams will look away from the biting striker who finished 2nd as golden boot in the league, who could have finished top if not for his bans, they cannot keep their eyes off the flowing and unstoppable force of Suarez blowing the league away with superb skill and without any unusual or absurd moments of red mist, Suarez knows this, Real Madrid knows this. What none of us really know is his value. Gareth Bale carried Tottenham and went for £80m+, Ronaldo carried United and went for £80m, now Suarez is, unfortunately for us, carrying Liverpool's hopes of Champions League, will he go for £80m? Only the summer will tell.

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Our saving grace is that Madrid does not have, at the present time, the funds necessary to buy Suarez. They just spent 100M on Bale who is playing rubbish BTW and they will have to sell more of their stars to come up with the money needed. It will have to be +100M. I am not sure that they have the funds in place to come after Suarez. however they will still try.

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If Real Madrid come in for him, he will leave. Simple as that.

And yes - they have the money. RM has access to money, for a variety of reasons, and from sources, that other clubs can only dream about. Enough said.

Oh, and they also have plenty of players they can sell to raise the money if they need more.

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17 Dec 2013 07:43:39
Madrid Spend 100 Mill on the Wrong Player. Bale is never worth 100 mill.
Madrid thought to Outshine Neymar signing. Playing Bale and ROnaldo on either wings and Benzema would bang in goals for Fun.
Nothing is happening TBH, They actually needed a striker and they bought a winger.
They wish to sell Di maria, and none wanted him. Instead they sold Higuain who was the top scorer for them.
They Would Love to have suarez. But In reality They don't have the money.
I could see Chelsea coming in for, But Will Jose attempt? After He publically stated of not wanting a striker.
RA have always been a fan of Performers, Player who has the Magic. who could Pull people into the game. Torres, goals those days were out of the world. They never had such striker (No Disrespect to Drogba).

I could see a 70 mill Bid in January, Suarez would score at Stamford Bridge on 29th December.

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I don't think we will sell in January, because we could not find a replacement and because his value will increase after world cup 2014. We will stand a good chance of attracting good players if we make CL at the end of the season, something I'd see us having a very good chance of. The only way I see him staying is if we win the premiereship. I don't think it is impossible. I think Arsenal will crack under the pressure of being top of the league for too long. Ever team really wants to beat you when your top of the league, so every game if tough physically and mentally.

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17 Dec 2013 09:59:19
Forget the Squad deapth. The first 11 should be prime. We are left with 22 games. another couple of editions. and we could eally push on.
Forget City, beat cardiff and Chelsea and we are Back.
Sturridge would be back in Jan, Gerrard and Enrique would join them Soon, Salah and another Midfielder in the radar. We should go all out.

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I don't know where you get your info Harry but Real Madrid top the Forbes list for their revenue stream alone which is around £400million a year. so they have all the money they need. That said, I do agree with you that their system is set-up wrong hence they make signings for sensationalism (election promises) rather than sheer practical commonsense. If I were a Liverpool player currently and had the ear of LS I would be reminding him that Real Madrid spent their entire time in the summer indicating that Suarez was the wrong kind of player for them and stating publicly that his attitude was less than worthy of their shirt. We, on the other hand, have loved him regardless of his flaws. the Real Madrid faithful would drop him like a ton of bricks the first minute any incident took place. Will bids come in for him?. Of course they will. Will he leave? Maybe, we'll have to wait and see.

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Suarez will go at the end of the season. I think he is motivated by not only personal financial interests but getting acclaim on the international stage through Champions League and Ballon D'or's etc etc etc. And I doubt he feels that he can achieve all of it at LFC. We have to keep in mind that, that fierce determination, single minded focus and ambition we see on the field is probably there off the field too.

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"Forget city"? God, you annoy me sometimes harry

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I'm not so sure, I think that there is a better chance than you might expect of Suarez staying. Having CL will inevitably enhance that and dare I say it winning the PL will do so even more.

IMHO, there is a possibility of winning the league, not least of which as the other top six teams (sorry man U - but you're not there) all have to travel to Anfield after the xmas period so these next two games are absolutely crucial.

In fairness Chelsea got the West Brom draw on a bum decision their best striker is on loan to the Blue Noses and they are not firing on all cylinders regularly - it is a big ask, but for me is the more likely to be the source of the three points we want away from home. City loosing Aguero is a positive too.

That all might sound a touch far fetched but making LS captain while Stevie' G is on the treatment table, especially after that emphatic result at the weeken will motivate his leadership and membership of the team, AND his view of the fans as they support time.

Don't get me wrong, he is in it for the ego and the money - hence Real. But, would he really want to be the competition for poster boy and the most narcissistic twit on earth Ronaldo - or be part of a revival which attracts the company of other 1st class players that he would be amply rewarded for.

In short (not quite) we have to make the proposition as attractive as possible by winning - exactly the spirit shown on Saturday and do our best to repeat it - otherwise he's gone - at a reflective price to an overseas club, not ELP.

Just a view, Suffolk'n Red

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17 Dec 2013 13:13:54
Reynard.

Real Madrid top the list of Debts. But They are Bigger than UEFA, Who doesn't have ba** to shut them up. I don't know why I hate that club.

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17 Dec 2013 14:55:52
Puzzled Red.

Forget City. Yes. we have very slim chance to get a result there. Sometime you annoy me with your perception. don't get inside the gun.

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And this is from the same person who had branded us losers against spurs before KO too? You speak definitely about things all the time when you know nothing and it's irritating for the other posters

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Thanks gents, good comments, as I would expect from you lot.
Except HSF, who's comments were totally ridiculous. Yes mate, I do understand why you didn't sell Suarez to us, we are your rivals person-head.
Will we bounce back from City hammering us 6-3? Yes, I think we will but what that has to do with my original post I do not know.
HSF, read the post again properly, I was merely asking a question, and if you can't read it, get somebody to read it to you so you can understand it.

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"Forget squad depth"? No, Harry we don't want to. "Forget City"? No, Harry we want to beat them! And yes you are a royal annoyance to more than just a few of us fellow readers, fans and posters. The Eds have already made it abundantly clear to you already and still you get personal with taunts ( to Puzzled Red ) expecting us to accept mindless comments. Take a hike, bud.

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16 Dec 2013 23:11:39
Is there anyone who thinks that as long as Suarez stays then we only need sign a backup striker in January? We have a sound solid defence with options. A midfield performing well with Stevie out - but due back in the not too distant future. And wingers in sterling, ibe, Moses. The team are playing well. I'm not an experienced coach or anything so I merely put out there the idea of running with what we have (I'm loosely comparing our settled and performing camp to Spurs recent and unsuccessful £100million mass-bulk-buy). Is this notion ludicrous?

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A good midfield option to further competition, especially for Lucas, plus a wide player who can chip in with 10 a season are the key areas to invest in.

Flanno's recent form has meant full back positions, for me, can wait till the summer.

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16 Dec 2013 22:55:33
Cheers both, to be honest I've only seen him on the net and saw Everton making a move (speculation). I agree, it has to be a proven player or we have to allow the youth to develop. Would be great to see us make one quality signing like Arsenal did Ozil.

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16 Dec 2013 22:26:22
I finally get what we are trying to do and it is not reinvent football or play tiki-taka but what are bread and butter has always been about. Pass and move

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16 Dec 2013 22:22:47
Just thinking if we sold suarez in the summer would we be better of spending money over the summer and January because the more you spend the more pressure that is added on the team and manager spurs been the main example but kenny spent so much got sacked and many more over the years it makes you think why bother rushing to spend spend spend when adding the right player is what's important

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Dezy: I was having the same conversation with a spurs fan at the weekend, surely they only lost Bale? Why rush out and buy 6/7 players? They did well the season before he left, so surely the priority should of been to replace him? Maybe even from within the club? And as much as we all moan and groan about this.
Get some keen young players that will be a right fit in 1-1.5 seasons time. Still have your cash in the bank for if you feel the need to buy the right superstar. Rather than piss 100 mil up the wall on 6 very average players.
Just my view

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17 Dec 2013 07:50:04
100 mil up the wall on 6 very average players.

They are not very Average Players. They are good players, Played poor and we just dominated them yesterday. let's be honest, we were after 2-3 of their signings in the summer. Their weakest link is Dawson, he is slower than Tortoise, against Suarez, Sterling, COuntinho and henderson, he couldn't cope.
Playing a Midfieder at CB, with Highline against Suarez was another downfalll.
Their LB too is Terrible. And Like Jose, AVB is too stubborn and Arrogant.

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Plus for a manager if you spend big and don't hit the ground running ya screwed if you used the money over 2 or 3 windows including your normal budget ya give players time to settle rather than buying a hole new team you don't no if they will click you don't no if they can play together guess i'm trying to say slow and steady wins the race

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17 Dec 2013 09:08:03
Spurs struggled infront of Goal, and that was their downfall. Liverpool survived earlier with goals from our striker. Suarez and Sturrdige were banging in goals with or without Assist. And that coverd our Weakness in the Middle.
If Soldado would have been on fire like Bale was Last seaosn. AVB would have been still there.
They simply don't have a player like Suarez nor a midfield like Arsenal.
UTD struggling, 0 Midfield, and Poor Strking Department.
Chelsea. Good Midfield and Poor Striking Department.
Spurs. Good Midfield and 0 Goals from Strikers.
Liverpool Good Midfeild, Execptional Striking Department.
Arsenal Good Midfield, Average Striking department.
Man City Excellent Midfield.Excellent strking department.

Look at Westbrom. With Lukaku they finished 8th. and without him they are in the relegation Battle.

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17 Dec 2013 09:11:37
DezyBoy.

I am sure, most of the signings would have been Baldini choice.

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Harry you're right Naughton doesn't cut it. They needed rose there, Sterling did well against him. AVB didn't change it up either when it was obvious there was a mismatch.
I think people forget Tottenham had an initial strong spell in the second half then the red card happened and it was game over from there. I think MOTD2 highlighted how poor positionally Dawson was as you mentioend.

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16 Dec 2013 22:16:09
With Milan struggling both in terms of off the field economics and on the pitch performances, would now be a good time to put in a bid for El Sharaawy?

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Yeah forget salah splash out on him take a chance be amazing young kid bud works very hard foelr the team also

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Thought it was just me, been pushing the eds to tell me we're interested for months now!
Seems not at the moment but if Suarez does leave he could be seen as an option to replace him right Eds?

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{Ed002's Note - Arsenal, Real Madrid and PSG would all like to strike a deal with Milan at some point but El Shaarawy is generally happy where he is and Milan have no intention of selling unless a very significant offer is made. Those quoting him not playing might want to consider his injuries. Previous interest from Monaco and Spurs remains unconfirmed and Napoli dropped out of the running over the summer when they signed Callejon, as did Manchester City when they signed Jovetic. Do not be surprised to see an offer from Dortmund or just possibly Chelsea. I am not aware of any confirmed interest from Liverpool at this time, although perhaps if Suarez leaves they could look to him as he has the stupid haircut that Kirikou craves.}

Ed002 could you imagine him and sakho with those hair cuts just got to bring back cisse now

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16 Dec 2013 21:57:31
No matter how much money is offered for Suarez in January it should be turned down. Fact is, if we want Champions League we NEED him.

He has impressed me this season. He has matured as a player and as a person. He has been in the headlines for the correct reasons and you can see when he is playing that he is trying very hard to not get flared up. I hope he has learnt from his summer antics and stays away from controversy this January.

The last thing we need is him trying again to force a move again. If we qualify for Champions League and he still wants out then fair enough. I will have the utmost respect for him for helping us as a club get back on track and at least then we will be in the Champions League and we will be able to attract a top player to replace him.

Gerrard, who obviously knows a lot more than we do doesn't seem to confident that he will be here for long and I do believe it is only a matter of time before he leaves and as Gerrard said the other night, we need to enjoy him while he is here.

Red Rum

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I mentioned on here that someone very close to Stevie mentioned that he is convinced that Suarez will never join an English club.

Now, I'm not sure if it was verbal between the two players or the player and the club, but I swear down this was a very reliable source.

Some will argue that this is obvious but personally it cleared things up a little.

Trust me.

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16 Dec 2013 21:18:32
Hi eds and reds
Delighted with the win yesterday and think more importantly than being a good win it answered some questions, or at least went some way to it.
Many people have been on sterling snack lately but think he showed that given patience and time the young man may have turned a corner and used his ability to be effective in a game situation
Henderson proved his worth to those who think he is merely a work horse
The whole team showed me can work as or more effectively without gerrard and he is no longer irreplaceable game to game
And think all the people complaining about a lack of depth can see that although some extra players in certain positions would be good we clearly can play well and comfortably best Tottenham without Kelly, agger, ilori, toure, Enrique, gerrard, Alberto, ibe, Moses, Sturridge, aspas, assiadi, suso and borini. So clearly to some degree have a certain level of squad depth
Think also highlighted a need for a midfielder with power and pace, without Henderson or Lucas in that midfield we would only have Alberto to come in and without any pace or power I feel that midfield would struggle. Also feel we could do with an attacker is would be good for ibe or sterling to go on loan and not sold on Moses.
However I think instead of a left back we should look for a full back who can play both sides as long term don't like Johnson at right back, but signing a left back would leave us with cissokho and Enrique and Flanagan and the new player when all fit so I feel we should either sign a player like santon to play either side if any are available or make do until the summer and find a long term solution to both positions
Any thoughts?

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Can't vouch for anybody else but I can confidently say I have not been on sterling snack recently!

Cheers

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I agree with most of what your saying although I think to have those questions answered we need the aforementioned players to perform to a similar standard long term. When a player gets injured, he should be carping himself about not getting back in the team rather than us bemoaning what might happen without him. We are learning to play without our key players, and that is a strong positive. Agger is finding it hard to force his way into the team, Gerrard may find it tough also. One nice suprise for me was the performance of Flanno, I was expecting Lennon and Walker to take our left side apart but they didn't threaten at all.

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16 Dec 2013 21:18:16
Reading aspas's interview and i'm impressed with his attitude wish him luck

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I have seen him regularly in the la liga and I have no doubt in his ability
its just that pl is very physical compared to la liga and he looked physically weak even in la liga
if he can overcome this physicality then I can assure u he will give sturridge a run for his money, he's that good

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16 Dec 2013 20:49:10
hi ed, who would your ideal signings be for this jan transfer window.you must have a few thoughts on who would fit into BR team

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{Ed002's Note - Hughes and Salah.}

16 Dec 2013 21:25:16
Mohammed Salah would be an excellent signing. would give a different dimension to our squad.
Hughes is a superb talent, but do we need him at 15 mill?
Alberto is turning out to be a good business. I would give more chances to Alberto. he looks so calm and composed.

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Reges and salah

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Eds I am aware of the interest in Salah and Hughes.how likely do you think both for January window?

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{Ed002's Note - 12.}

12? What's that mean eds

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16 Dec 2013 22:51:39
, epic!

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I disagree ed, I think it is a solid 2+3i out of 100

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16 Dec 2013 20:27:03
Just realized after the Chelsea game we have hull at Anfield. If we were to lose at Chelsea i'd imagine we would want to put a thumping on hull. I know I want us to regardless of city and Chelsea results.

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16 Dec 2013 20:58:41
We will not Loose against Chelsea. They have a good squad But they play very poor. they won't score. and they leak goals up and down.
We would press high and hit them. Take out Ramirez. they are average in the middle.

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I'm also going to go ahead and say it. We win at city and Chelsea, and we r title favorites.

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16 Dec 2013 21:22:52
I would be happy with a point from City.
But If we play anywhere near what we played yesterday. Jose would be the next one to get sacked.

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City away will confirm our credentials for the title. Considering everyone is getting blown away there, a point will be like a win.
Chelsea away is a real opportunity. For me Ramires is not the danger. the worry more about Hazard giving Johnson the run around. Other than that though, I am confident about us being able to get the points there. Although, I think we have the odd hull like performance being a possibility

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Torres will have a mare if he plays.

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Get your pennys on a 2-2 at City and 0-2 at the bridge over troubled waters. i'm more worried about Cardiff.

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I hope chiefscout is right . chelsea are beatable and to nobble joses unbeaten at the bridge record would be the icing on the cake for me

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16 Dec 2013 19:57:27
Hi eds could you tell me when sturridge is expected back

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

16 Dec 2013 19:56:46
Well that took every one by surprise yesterday, some result and performance, took the spot light off us for sure :-)

Serious question, if you continue to play like that without Stevie G and get good results in his absence is he too big a player to leave out when fit or does he have to accept a place on the bench?

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Oh I love having other supporters posting, your praise seems to make our quality of performance almost 'official'
Personally I believe Rodgers WON'T drop Gerrard even if it seems he should, and honestly I wouldn't either- growing up he has been my idol, but I think Stevie will acknowledge when the time comes that he needs to be a fatherly bit-part player, and ask Rodgers privately to use him as a rotation player, or possibly even retire on that point.
Steven Gerrard is inspirational, a brilliant, brilliant footballer, a great leader, and, maybe most of all, extraordinarily humble, hence the lateness of his captaincy of England coming round. He won't 'overstay his welcome' and it is virtually impossible for anyone of his legendary stature at our club to do so.

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Oh I love having other supporters posting, your praise seems to make our quality of performance almost 'official'
Personally I believe Rodgers WON'T drop Gerrard even if it seems he should, and honestly I wouldn't either- growing up he has been my idol, but I think Stevie will acknowledge when the time comes that he needs to be a fatherly bit-part player, and ask Rodgers privately to use him as a rotation player, or possibly even retire on that point.
Steven Gerrard is inspirational, a brilliant, brilliant footballer, a great leader, and, maybe most of all, extraordinarily humble, hence the lateness of his captaincy of England coming round. He won't 'overstay his welcome' and it is virtually impossible for anyone of his legendary stature at our club to do so.

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Eloquently put. Hit the nail on the head. That is a very realistic assessment from the second poster.
Either way its a great predicament to have.

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16 Dec 2013 18:38:06
I am so glad I bought shares in mr Kipling.
Sales of humble pie seem to be out stripping mince pies this year.

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Shame not too many people here seem to be eating it!

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16 Dec 2013 18:28:12
I know we don't want to speak to soon, but I think I may have found a very effective new lucky hat! Bought an Xmas hat last Saturday - 99p Dr Seuss looking hat which at full length can be around 60cm. I know I look like a bit of a person in it, but I've had it with me and worn it for the last two matches and we've got 6 points, scored 9 goals and only conceded once.

I'm willing to do my bit and wear it - taking the criticisms - for the club if it continues to work, even after the festive season. I'll take the blame if it doesn't work too. We've all got to try to do what we can, I'm not a hero just a normal fan like you.

Cheers, ;)

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Don't be modest, you are a hero
Clearly you and your hat are the secret of our success!

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Were not second over a hat we've done well all season pal

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Well, we needed this after Ken Aguero's "Lucky Pants" were burned.

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60cm, s at full length and in a dr seuss hat!
no wonder your a jolly red!

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My mrs bought me a signed Gerrard shirt from the champs league final in a frame last year and this year I've started touching it on the way out to watch the game like the "this is anfield" that the players touch before the game, it seems like if I forget to do it we lose, if I remember the other team gets creamed lol strange how people are only have superstitions with football

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16 Dec 2013 18:00:42
Eds and reds,
This January it sounds like we are going for a box to box midfielder and a forward with the likely targets being Mohamed Salah and Will Hughes.
Are there any other players Liverpool have shown an interest in?

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Is Will Hughes going to improve our first 11 or make Suarez want to stay though? To me signing Hughes in January would be spending for the sack of it and needles.

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A sack of needles?

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Brilliant, Ski Sunday. Sharp and to the point.

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Maybe BR thinks we need an injection of pace!

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Somebody who can "thread" passes through players

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Will hughes is needed as the current situation with 1 CM injured(Gerrard) we lack depth and cannot afford more CM injuries.
Will Hughes would provide the depth and the current squad and presence of Gerrard would be a great chance for Hughes to learn from Gerrard(rather than bringing in a youngster after Gerrard retires)
Remember we are not in the Champions League yet and do not have access to the top level players because of that. It would be an intellegent move not to waste money now, and rather wait to qualify for Champions league and then spend the money on the big names who would then be interested.

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16 Dec 2013 17:58:50
My cousin Sergio has been ruled out for a month, so he will miss the game against LFC.

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16 Dec 2013 18:33:10
You are Brilliant. and We ll surely Miss him.

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16 Dec 2013 18:36:00
They have goals all over the pitch, but this has to be a plus, he is in awesome form!

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Big plus for us. Excellent player.

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16 Dec 2013 17:14:53
Anyone know how long Sturridge is out for?

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4-6 more weeks.

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16 Dec 2013 16:59:16
What a performance from the under-fire Henderson. So far Suarez has 20 goals this season (3 if you include Norwich away later this season) And as for Spurs, I'm happy that we have put them under pressure. I don't live too far away from Tottenham so now I can p**s off their fickle fans

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16 Dec 2013 18:06:12
23. 3 Against Cardiff City this weekend.

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16 Dec 2013 16:35:44
Whats everyones thoughts on Agger. Do you think he will be sold in January leaving us with Skrtel, Sakho, Toure Ilori and Kelly. And the money used to purchase Salah and another Defensive midfielder.

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I'd say it's a distinct possibility, unfortunately. Love him but it doesn't make sense for him to hang around to sit on our bench.

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Leave us also with Coates? Anyone know what's happening with him?

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It looks like he may be sold, but the same was said when Skrtel was frozen out of the team last season.

Just a guess but Agger to Barcelona, and either Montoya or Tello to Liverpool.

Red Rum

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16 Dec 2013 17:27:56
My thoughts on Agger is that he should be playing alongside Sakho at centre half instead of Skrtel. So what if they're both left footed? No one ever complains about have two right footed CBs.

Hopefully that'll happen, but if it doesn't, I could see him leaving. Maybe not in Jan, but in the summer.

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Personally I feel he just has to knuckle down work hard and wait for his chance, same as every other player. It would be criminal to change a winning team regardless of opposition. Fa cup just round corner so we could field a very strong second team for that.

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In January? Don't think so. In the summer, definitely, one of Agger or Skrtel will be sold along with Coates.

I expect Ilori to go on loan in January.

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I agree Something Red, the Sakho and Agger pairing is the one I'd prefer to see. Haven't got a look at those two together, but I'd have to feel we'd be comfortable with the ball at our feet and real strong in defense.

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To be able to compete we need 2 top players for every position so he needs stay.

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We have too many starting CB's at this moment in time, Skrtel has been very good this season so he will likely be kept and Agger will move on with Coates in my opinion.

I personally would be okay with that as I rate Sakho very highly, for me he has even more to offer than what have seen so far and is a leader, that part of his game is being seen now he is settling, he was vocal and organised consistantly yesterday and had another strong performance.

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It wouldn't make sense making him vise captain and then selling him less than 6 months later

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I was under the impression that Agger struggles to play 2 games a week, so we're definitely going to need options.

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We'll need all our starting CB's next season, being in the CL! ;)

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16 Dec 2013 15:56:59
Well done lads.

Just remember its a marathon and not a sprint fellow reds.

Onwards and upwards.

YNWA-SA

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16 Dec 2013 15:53:46
Great performance yesterday. Sterling and Allen were very impressive. Do you know if there's any reason Rodgers is not playing Aspas?

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Because he's #%$*&@~ TERRIBLE!

No I joke, we've not seen enough of him yet to form an opinion, but I believe he's just coming back from injury.

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16 Dec 2013 18:07:38
To Play Aspas Suarez need to be Subbed. Even If you call or wish. He wouldn't accept. The lad would play 180 mts If availble

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16 Dec 2013 18:12:49
I think Rodgers might have decided that Aspas won't make it in this league, and the more games he plays the more people will twig it and the less his resale value will be.

We've scored nine goals in our last two games, and he's played about 90 seconds in them. Surely if it was a fitness issue, he either would have played a least a few minutes more than that or wouldn't be on the bench at all.

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Why would Suarez have to be subbed? There's nine other outfield players he could've replaced, or ten if you included Mignolet.

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The likes of Aspas and Alberto will probably get a chance to shine in the FA Cup. It'd be nice to see some of the youngsters too.

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We are playing well and I guess BR doesn't want to change it too much.

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16 Dec 2013 15:47:08
The best thing for me from the win yesterday, was it finally put to bed the memory of getting 4-0 from spurs
in september 2011, when Skirtle and Charlie Adam both got sent off and we got pasted. We've moved forward a lot since that time.

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Totally agree.

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How true I was watching it with a ( very nice) Spurs supporter and I must admit I consequently had a bad feeling about Saturday and thought it was a make or break.

I am so made up! I can't remember enjoying a match so much from start to finish

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Agreed. I went to the match and sat in the Spurs end. Never wanted to disappear so much in my life.

This win felt very good indeed.

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16 Dec 2013 14:40:32
On a different note, well done to Danny Welbeck for already quadrupling is league goal tally from last season!

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And for helping Moyes stay in the job a bit longer! (we need him their as long as possible!)

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Ha, ha, nice one Mickey Bee. Made me chuckle and have to agree

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16 Dec 2013 14:20:15
To the spuds mascot who thumbed her nose at Suarez: that's what you get for making our captain angry

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He who laughs last and all that.

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16 Dec 2013 14:18:59
Rest in peace Ozone. "Out of the top 4 and never to return" blah blah blah.

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16 Dec 2013 14:11:39
not getting carried away but the leagues done and dusted, gerrards finished and who's sturridge? got to get rodgers making more positive decisions '' I mean why play mignolet! give kenny a run out! bleeding obvious,,,, 4 4 3 sorted. as I said to the three spuds I was at the bullfight with,, you were lucky to get nil '''

oh its great to be a red
im still not out of me bed
i, ve got the h@rn
but the misses has sworn
that we will have to be wed,,,,,,

oh my giddy aunt '''

still,, what the difference between tottenham and eggs?

the correct winning reply to recieve a signed Liverpool shirt sourced and donated by the ed, s
after all,, it is christmas!

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{Ed001's Note - if only it was that simple!}

16 Dec 2013 18:30:49
Eggs don't crack on their own?

I can't throw Tottenham at passers by.

I'll try and think of a couple more.

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The eggs didn't get smashed yesterday!

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Tottenham are easier to 'beat'?

Glen Coddle?

Incidentally, one thing they have in common-Its all over when 'Fryers' come on!

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16 Dec 2013 14:10:46
still buzzing from yesterday, there is stiil a long way to go but some fans owe most of our players an apology. but besides that. COME ON YOU REDS

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16 Dec 2013 14:06:53
hai Ed great work. and great Week ahead.

Every club. Every fan and Every Manager wants a Piece of Suarez. and Liverpool have got the Full Luis Suarez.
He cost Martin Jol and AVB the job. Next Up Jose.
90 mts game is 5400 secs. that's more than suffcient for him to score 2 goals.

Congraatz to the Whole Team. Henderson was outstanding. Flanagan, Sterling, Sakho, Lucas.Countiho, Alberto. Each and everyone Deserves Credit.
Now let's go and Beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

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Aye, let's try to beat Cardiff first, shall we?

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16 Dec 2013 14:06:51
Lets all forget about man city and chelsea for a moment and concentrate on cardiff. We all know what happens when we play the so called smaller teams and take them for granted.

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16 Dec 2013 13:58:30
Does anyone know if the Man City Liverpool match is being televised?

Cheers all, brilliant display yesterday, played like we wanted to win (like others have taken the game to us). Would have liked to see Coutinho knock one in but, lots of others too.

Can't say I feel too sorry for Spuds tbh - they wouldn't feel sorry for us and would make that blatantly clear too.

Bring on Jan the 1st for Hull's payback too (after another 6 of 9 possible points) it's NOT impossible.

Suffolk'n Red

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I think it's on BT sport.

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It's on BT lads

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Looking at the schedule's for BT sport and Sky it looks like the only match not to be broadcast between our clash with the Gooners on the Second of February not bad 8 of our next 9 games are on TV - YNWA, .

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16 Dec 2013 17:57:14
is the hull game.

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It will probably be beamed out to the end of the galaxy because all alien life forms won't want to miss that game either.

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16 Dec 2013 13:46:31
Defenders:

Skrtel - 91% pass completion
Sakho - 96%
Flanagan - 89%
Johnson - 70%

Clear to see who was the shakiest in possession.

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Johnson is stil the best right back we have available and is 1st choice England right back.

We got the win and got it very convincingly so who cares who was gave the ball away the most.

Next season will be interesting as we will have Kelly fully fit, Wisdom returning from his loan spell, young McLaughlin making the step up and possibly Flanagan who will all be fighting it out at right back, although they can play center back as well as left back. Interesting times!

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Johnson got forward more than any of them, of course he's going to lose the ball more.

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I am usually quite critical of Johnson but every stat can be misleading. Without looking I bet Johnson lost the ball when trying to forge chances. The other three probably played simple sideways or backwards passes. Similarly I'm guessing Lucas would have at least equal overall pass completion to Gerrard. Gerrard however will make loads more chances. Just a thought.

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Clearly, stats can be lethal in the wrong hands.
How many passes did each defender make? The difference between 96% and 70% could be as negligible as two or three passes depending on the volume.

Also, How many of Johnson's passes where in the Spurs' half? How many were crosses? How many were to players going to the opponent's goal?

Pulling an insignificant stat after a 0-5 victory when you earned 100% of the 3 points to pull within 2 points of the top of the table in front of a crowd of 36069 while your top assist man with 6 and your 2nd best goalscorer with 9 are out for up to 4 to 6 weeks each makes you look like you are at sixes and sevens.

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Can't really f up your passing stats when you pass it back to mignolet in tight spots.

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16 Dec 2013 16:45:34
I could not be bothered to go into detail. But go look at opta. Johnson made a similar amount of passes, and this does not include crosses. Flangan got forward just as much as Johnson as well, and Sakho played just as many passes forward. Johnson gave the ball away cheaply on a few occasions. Just because I don't want to write a 2000 word report every time I pick out some relevant stats, does not mean I've selected meaningless stats in a deliberate attempt to make someone look bad. Johnson did that himself yesterday. It seems to be of widespread opinion he was our only player who didn't excell yesterday. But thanks for the uneducated, insulting replies based on mere 'possibility'.

YNWAdam

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Normally I'd agree that Johnson is more attacking so would likely lose the ball more, but the last few games I have a hard time remembering him getting much past the midline to be honest and on the times he did he didn't do much. Not sure if that's intentional/planned or not, but he just seems a bit disinterested lately.

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Adam,

We're all LFC supporters here. Yesterday was a very good day for the club. The team performed beyond expectations and that should be all that matters.
Glen Johnson had an average performance, maybe even bad if you look at the stats. However, when do all 11 players perform optimally? Sometimes, a player will not look as good as the others, but that doesn't mean he should be singled out on a day the team excelled. Flanagan has looked bad at times, Sakho has, Skrtl has, Jordan, Allen, Coutinho, Alberto all have as well (and dare I say Suarez?)
However, we are two points off first.
Sometimes stats are just meaningless. No disrespect intended, just a different take on what happened yesterday. I did not mean to be insulting, I never do. Happy Holidays.

Canadian Fan

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16 Dec 2013 18:18:32
I agree with Adam.
Johnson's decision making is poor, to say the least.
He is excellent at exploiting space on the right, horrendous in his ability to pick the right ball.
He might be England's no1 but that has to say more about the national side than G.J personally.
If Richards was well behaved, he would be no1, especially in an ultra defensive Roy Hodgeson squad. They just don't like him because he refused to be a back up, and hardly plays for City. On top form, defensively speaking, Richards wins hands down!
Just my opinion!

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16 Dec 2013 20:26:26
Fair play Canada.

I just think Johnson is constantly guilty. Henderson had a 92% completion rate for example and he was much further up the pitch. I have heaped praise on the team where required, but I'd hate to think a good run of form will paper over the fact Johnson is a weak link in the side. He sometimes plays well, but not 'sometimes' enough. Cheers for the reply anyway.

YNWAdam

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16 Dec 2013 13:39:26
Sorry for complaining but Johnson has to play the first ball. Delayed his pass, in not just the previous game, and gets caught out of position and has proved to be a liability in defense for some time now. Come on Johnno, keep it simple!

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I thought Stirling playing in front of Johnson was a great combination. Jonno did not need to push too far up and could get back to defending more effectively when we needed to defend. I thought this one one of the killer punches for us against Spurs.

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You say Johnson did not need to push too far up, yes okay. He did not attack like previous games. Now tell me where I went wrong again, when I pointed out that he was out of position after he mis-passes, when he had only defending to do, as you said. On the whole, he did not attack like usual and he did not defend well. Compared to everyone who played, even though delightful to watch, Johnson was the poorest of the lot.

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16 Dec 2013 18:08:03
johnson is the worst right full back we have had for ages sorry to say he holds on to the ball to long is so nerve racking and his short passing is rubbish yes he gets down the line but his priority surley must be stopping goals . yesterday he let there left winger into our area before closing him down which is dangerous as when the opponent gets this far one touch and there down looking for a pen Johnson allowed this to happen all game and in previous games just not good enough we had the two England right full backs on the pitch and both were poor flano would do a better job

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16 Dec 2013 18:16:03
Johnson was very very poor yesterday.

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I would take Finnan or Arbeloa during their time here over johnson anyday.

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16 Dec 2013 13:28:00
Very sad to see AVB has been sacked. A proud and dignified man. The set up at Spurs is peculiar at best. I thought Levy would have more gumption than that.
Good luck AVB.
As for Spurs. who cares.

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When a team looks better on paper than it does on the field, then the Manager is usually the one blamed and gets the axe. Maybe AVB had too much too soon (Chelsea & now Spurs) after the success at Porto. Yes, he's a nice guy, but in this high stakes game (for sure) nice guys usually finish last.

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16 Dec 2013 16:12:42
wonder does that mean hulk isn't desperate to join spurs anymore lol.

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I agree a very decent man however I was at the last Chelsea league home game he managed against Liverpool and again we took full advantage of a high line with slow defenders

I would love to see that dead eyed lizard Levy taking some of the blame. He is very adept at dodging responsibility

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16 Dec 2013 13:19:56
Thinking next game Aspas will start. Good game to bring him back! Everyone else has proved themselves, and I know iago can too! Here's to hoping.

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I'd love to see Aspas playing, but a bit unfair to drop young Raheem after his last game. Put him in at 60 minutes if someone isn't performing possibly.

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He will be on the bench, why would Rodgers change a winning team?

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Fatigue perhaps BigD? ^_^ Sterling is only 19 remember.

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16 Dec 2013 13:11:16
Aguero out until mid January! That's huge for us! Hopefully Boxing Day will be a happy Christmas after all.

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It don't matter who they play as they have a world class squad and group of players there, it should be a good game and exciting to watch as they have scored 6 goals in there last 2 home games and we've just scored 5 in our last away game so I think we can all expect goals for sure which will end with Liverpool winning!

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Negredo & Dzeko are not any less of a threat! The key to winning against them is the total team effort as we saw against Spurs!

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Aguero is a huge miss better than any of there other strikers

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Aguero is a big miss for them no doubt, but they still have goals in them, Aguero only scored 1 of the 6 vs Arsenal and he left the field on 50minutes because of his injury.

City do on the other hand, look like conceding goals, conceding 3 goals at home is bad, even if you do score 6 yourself. This will only bode well for Suarez, but I am not counting my chickens just yet! City will want to win by as many goals as they can, it's what they do.

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16 Dec 2013 13:10:23
Poor guy avb has been sacked
altho I think he is overrated spurs should have kept him after spending so much on a squad tht he wanted
glad we are over all the sacking drama nw

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16 Dec 2013 12:57:11
How about let's all thank the lucky Liverpool stars that Daniel Levy isn't anything to do with our club, honestly, look passed the inflated sale of players and get to the meat and bones of what Spurs have really done since he's been there.

Many people seem to think he's a ''top chairman'' but I see him as a slime bag that never gets dirty. He has appointed George Graham, Glenn Hoddle, David Pleat, Martin Jol, Juande Ramos, 'Arry Redknapp and AVB as Spurs' managers in his time as their Chairman, Levy has also sacked them all. Every single managerial appointment he has made, he has systematically sacked, after initially backing them, is it unlucky or simply bad decision making on his part?

Levy is seemingly blameless for all. Not to mention how and when he sells Spurs' best players, he's sold Berbatov, Modric and Bale all at the death of transfer windows and while that has raised lots of income, what has it actually done for Tottenham? Bearing in mind Joe Lewis (Tottenham's reclusive owner) is apparently a billionaire or close to.

I just think it's richly hypocritical that Levy executes people's employment for failing when it's all he's ever done himself when hiring managers are concerned, is Fabio Cappelo next to accompany Franco Baldini's signings? Or is it Martin Jol on a until the end of season deal? Before they try for Martinez or insert latest Levy pin up manager.

I've already read this morning that AVB had a meeting with Levy directly after the match and that it went okay considering, then AVB let slip he's ''not allowed'' to mention who signed the players in the post match presser and then the next morning AVB has got the sack by Levy.

Now AVB was pretty poor at Chelsea, yet Levy thought he was getting a good and misunderstood deal, but his poor judgement has been exposed yet again, hiring a guy, firing a guy and throwing away yet another season for the Spuds.

Ian Ayre supports Rodgers, he may not be the most exciting guy, or media savvy, we may not be signing household named players all the time and we may have a struggle here and there when we miss out on targets but he's 100% in support of Rodgers, the manager and it shows, AVB was on his own for the last few months, Levy was moving ever further away from him and leaving him without support and in the firing line. A sign of a true scummy fella imo. Now AVB

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16 Dec 2013 18:24:15
Very well thought out post.
If your info is correct then it screams dictatorship.

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Great post my friend.

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16 Dec 2013 12:56:39
I would never wish injury upon anyone but this news could have a huge impact on the game against City:

Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini says striker Sergio Aguero could face a month on the sidelines after going off injured in Saturday's win over Arsenal.

"Sergio has a calf injury. The doctor can say how many weeks he will be out. I don't know at the moment. I think he will be out for at least one month, " said Pellegrini ahead of City's Capital One cup quarter-final visit to Leicester on Tuesday

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16 Dec 2013 11:55:02
a question for the edds and my fellow reds. if we come top four or even win the league, invest in the squad, double suarez wages, give him the freedom of the city ectect will he still be a Liverpool player next season?

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16 Dec 2013 14:19:54
If we get CL he won't be sold unless ridiculous money. If we don't get CL he will be allowed to leave for ridiculous money.

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It's on my Santa list, that's for sure.

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16 Dec 2013 11:39:47
The FA are investigating a claim of unsportsmanlike behaviour by Luis Suarez. It centres around yesterday's match with Spurs. However, they are also investigating the rest of the Liverpool team for collusion in the behaviour.

A statement from the FA said "We believe there is a case of unsportsmanlike behaviour to answer by Luis Suarez and his team mates for consistently humiliating the opposition, causing the manager to be sacked".

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Quality!

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Haha love it.

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16 Dec 2013 11:34:54
Champions League Draw:

City vs Barcelona
Utd vs Olympiacos
Chelsea vs Galatasaray
Arsenal vs Bayern

Mouth watering clash between city and Barcelona and Arsenal and Bayern. By the way AVB has been sacked following the rout against us. Good news!

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16 Dec 2013 11:25:21
Alright, I'm finally coming down off the high from yesterday. time to focus on next steps and kill time before Cardiff game.

Did some basic calculations on the next 4 rounds og games through Jan 1. Here's how I see it (have not assumed losses for the top 9 exc LFC @ ManCity which is wrong but conservative).

TEAM Curr pts Rd 1 Rd 2 Rd 3 Rd 4 Tot pts POS
Arsenal 35 1 3 1 3 43 1
Liverpool 33 3 0 1 3 40 3
Chelsea 33 1 3 1 1 39 4
ManCity 32 3 3 3 1 42 2
Everton 31 1 3 1 1 37 5
Newcastle 27 3 3 1 3 37 6
Tottenham 27 1 3 3 1 35 8
ManUtd 25 3 3 3 1 35 7
S'thampton 24 1 3 1 1 30 9

Puts us right in the mix come Jan 1. I, for one, would take that in a heartbeat.

Thoughts? Comments?

YNWA

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16 Dec 2013 18:46:06
We play Chelsea, so if the only team you've had us drop points again is city it's wrong. Us and Chelsea can't both have 3 points!

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Mystic meg post again have posters not learnt what happens when u start counting point eg hull game pack it in!

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WelshBoyDave, just to be clear I've counted on a point from the Chelsea game and nothing from ManCity, hence 7 points in 4 games.

Ah, of course it never works the way you think it will. just passing the time.

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16 Dec 2013 13:06:03
excellent peformance yesterday, just want to ask, with a lot of people moaning on here before start of season saying, spurs this and that for nicking our trans targets.So after yesterday how many are glad we didn't get some of them? I am for sure, pleased with what we have, on yesterdays performance we can win next 3!!

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Glad we didn't get a lot of their players but they still bought some players I would have liked to have gotten. Namely eriksen and dembele, but think a lot of their players not performing May have been AVBs fault. Still rate soldado just needs proper service and confidence, but he didn't invest in defence anywhere near enough. Don't have enough CB cover and didn't buy any full backs despite having no good players for either LB or RB

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16 Dec 2013 12:47:32
I'm going to take down the name of every individual who's bleating about how great we were vs a very below par Tottenham, and see who in 2 weeks time starts slating Liverpool when we perform poorly vs city.
There are far too many bandwagonners in this forum.

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{Ed007's Note - And you have far too much time on your hands.}

So if we beat city, does that mean they are below par or we play well .we shall see .credit where due for a change

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Why bother, we we're awesome yesterday.

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I just hope to god when we lose to city by 2 clear goals people don't come on here complaining

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If you love Man City so much why don't you head off to their site, support them and give us all a rest from your drivel

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16 Dec 2013 12:19:35
Congratulations guys, personally I don't think people are giving you the credit deserved, it was a fantastic one sided display and Rodgers set out perfectly, and it all went to plan.

Personally, I feel that you have done us a bit of a favour, now AVB has been sacked and hoping that the right man comes in and can get the performances out of the players.

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Di matteo might be the right guy (coincidence?)
bt I hope spurs gt someone stupid who is Jus like avb :)

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16 Dec 2013 14:08:59
You can't Blame the manger alone. The PLayes also should take some responsiblities.
Its been Months Soldado has been Excused and Excused and Excused.
Common you pay 30 mill for Tap ins?. If he ain't getting any service, he needs to drop down and assist others.
Rooney does it. Suarez does it. Aguero does it.

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It isn't just the manager, the players were awful and simply outclassed full stop.

But having 3 injuries in the defence, and still setting up to play a high line against Suarez and co is just suicidal, even the best defences on top form would struggle with a high line, the injuries aren't an excuse that is a simple management error, I know you had injuries of your own.
He's just too stubborn for his own good.

And the over inflated fees on players need to be forgotten, Soldado isn't near the all round class of those 3 players you have mentioned.

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16 Dec 2013 12:00:37
AVB just got his P45.
I don't think his after-match comments yesterday helped him there. Seemed to suggest that he wasn't over-enamoured with the Summer signings.
We'll take a couple off their hands.
For our 2nd team.

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16 Dec 2013 11:52:41
9 points out of nine. I submitted a post 2 weeks ago after our defeat to Hull that we can still get 16 points to reach the halfway mark of the season with 40 points, and I still stand by it. 2 more wins and we're there.

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16 Dec 2013 11:24:09
i posted friday that a team looking to challenge for the league would go to spurs and win and a team looking for top 4 wouldn't lose. didn't see us winning with gerrard and sturridge being out and still don't see us winning the league. but what happens if this form continues and we buy well in jan!? r we title contenders or should I ask after the xmas period?

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Don't ask, it only takes a loss to Cardiff next week to question if we are Top 4 ready.

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16 Dec 2013 10:47:05
Wow, a 5-0 win and the glory-hunting fickle moaning tarts creep out of the woodwork.

You know who you all are, and your meaningless fickle apologies mean nothing when the posts of abuse over the months and hatred directed at the players, manager and owners now look juvenile.

You'll all be back moaning next week when Sakho misplaces a pass, Joe Allen gets shoved off the ball, Mignolet spoons a pass-back or Liverpool concede a goal or only score one more than the opposition.

Get me?

So, bring it on you shower of b*lle**s or go and creep into the dark little crack where your skinny little chinless heads slipped out of.

Aside from that. have a nice day.

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Maybe you should take up boxing, get some of that anger out.

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16 Dec 2013 16:41:43
Davey bottled up lately? Let it out son

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16 Dec 2013 10:45:43
I was watching the man city game against arsenal and there was not one British player is there whole team! Then I looked at arsenal team they had Walcott and wilshere only 2 players! If you look at all the big clubs they have so little British players it's unreal! We had 5 yesterday and 2 of our starting 11 that our British were injured. I'm quite proud that we have that many compared to 0

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Well said mate. It is very important to have a core group of British players who the manager can fully trust especially when the going gets tough, since most foreign players would just spit their dummy out. We need to keep bringing in more technically proficient British players to preserve our identity as a English club, instead of loading it with mercenaries like Citeh have. Just look how successfull the Red Mancs have been by always having a core of influential British players in their squad.

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Indian Buzzer are you referring to foreign players like Agger, Lucas, Skrtel, Kuyt ect. I would prefer to see a core of players from the home nations and with the fair play rule I think it is becoming increasingly important but the Mancs were successful for many more reasons than having British players.

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16 Dec 2013 09:48:01
Humble Pie time. I have been highly critical of Rodgers and his purchases. But if the team plays in this manner I would like to eat the humble pie.
Cancel the Taxi for Rodgers and Allen.

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Haha cool, although writing allen and rodgers off was a tad naive, especially rodgers.like where were ya under our last two managers.also it is a tad naive to do a total u turn after that win.if they play bad next game (god forbid)will you u turn again?its what's wrong with some fans imo

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We are all allowed our own opinions but not sure how anyone can moan at BR or the side when we've been 2nd in the league for most of the season with our very thin squad?

Yes we've had the odd bad result but that was more down to the players being poor on the day rather than the tactics.

Maybe his tinkering at the back hasn't helped but injuries have been the cause of that.

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Well everyone is allowed an opinion but whoever writes it should expect ridicule if they don't back it up with reasons as to why they feel that way. But in all fairness but he isn't shirking away.

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16 Dec 2013 09:27:19
From the very first minute we took after Spuds and looked immense from start to finish. Best result since 4-1 at Old Trafford.

Hendo and Suarez are the obvious stand-outs but a special mention for Sterling. Took Spurs on from the first minute. Hope his new found confidence keeps him in good form.

Anyone else get nervous when the ball is at Mignolet's feet? don't get me wrong, he is an amazing shot-stopper (hes won us points on his own this season). I just think his kicking could/should be better. Maybe its because we have been spoilt with Pepe's distribution for the last few years

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The defense shouldn't pass it so wide to him. They play it too far and heavily across him (sakho very guilty of this) Skrtel plays it back to him when only 10-15 yards separate them and there's a player by him and then doesn't make an angle for the one two. Skrtel is the liability not Migs.
If a central defender passed those balls to me in those positions I'd dot him after the match for trying to pass the buck of pressure.

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Mignolet over pepe everyday of the week!!!

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I was saying to my mates last night everytime someone refers to our keeper as migs I think. look at the blood migs from silence of the lambs weird I know

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16 Dec 2013 09:07:43
I hate to be negative after such a great result, but that was our strongest midfield we've put out all season, and Stevie wasn't in it. Been banging the drum since week 3, he stagnates our build up play and wastes possession with Hollywood passing. I hope everyone who has been calling Sakho, Flanagan, Allen, Henderson, Alberto and Sterling will admit they were wrong now. I have held my hands up with regards to Suarez. He is a different player this season. No diving, no arguing, and no wasting 5 shots before he scores. He's even curbed his greed! Tail well and truly between my legs with that one. I think we saw enough yesterday from everyone I've mentioned to at least give them a chance. Haven't seen Ozone around lately haha.

YNWAdam

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1 game!!

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I believe Stevie should play up to 45 - 65 minutes and should be replaced when his legs gets tired. I think he stagnates our play only when he gets tired but Adam you can't deny there is no better corner/free kicks taker than him in our squad bar Suarez.

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16 Dec 2013 09:49:01
YNWAdam

I did mentioned earlier, We need to Bench / Rest Gerrard slowly.

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The guy should only be coming on in the 60th minute he could rip teams apart fresh with others starting to fade. impacting rather than starting is the only way we will get few more years of good service out of him

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I'm of the opinion that Gerrard would be better used as an impact sub.

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16 Dec 2013 12:17:01
1 game? we have scored 14 goals and conceded just 2 in our last 3 league games. How is that one game. all those players mentioned have been excellent, even Alberto coming off the bench. The protection Lucas offered the defense allowed Allen and Henderson the freedom to just mince Tottenhams midfield again and again. Gerrard does not offer the freedom Lucas does, and doesn't press the ball as well as Hendo and Allen. There is no place for him in this side. Charlie Adam was good at free kicks and corners. He got 8 assists and 2 goals in his only season with us playing as a defensive midfielder, and he only had Suarez to aim for. Gerrard has had Sturridge as well, and Adam scored a goal from open play which is more than Gerrard can boast in about 30-40 league games. That said, Gerrard has far more quality than Charlie Adam ever had. I think Gerrard could be an excellent impact sub either for Coutinho, Allen or Sterling, but he is not a starter anymore. If a 5-0 away win at White Hart Lane can't spell that out to you, then what will? We played fluent, fast and attacking football yesterday, whilst pressing Tottenham back into their own final 3rd. It was the best I've seen us play since we demolished Real Madrid 4-0 at Anfield. I'm sorry, but you cannot hound Charlie Adam out of the club for being useless during open play and only good at set pieces, then defend Gerrard for being useless in open play because he makes up for it with set pieces. It doesn't wash with me. There is no room for sentimentality in football and Gerrard in my eyes, is now a squad player/impact sub. Not because he doesn't have talent, but because he is not fit enough to regularly play in Rodgers system, and his lack of tactical awareness has become increasingly obvious as his legs have tired. I want what is best for the team, and in my opinion, that is Gerrard being phased out over the next 3 years.

YNWAdam

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Come on ynwadam.

Let's see how we perform over the next month before we give hasty judgements.

SG has been top for us for years and Henderson has done it in 1 game. Let's hope he can blossom as it's only good for the club.

God forbid if Suarez doesn't score for 1 game as some on hear will call him rubbish.

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Having Gerrard coming on as a 60th minute impact sub in the CAM role would scare the living hell out of the opposition. Just praying that BR reads this, would also allow Gerrard to extend his career by a couple of more years.

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To be fair to Adam, I agree to a point. Henderson has not 'done it for 1 game'. He's been fantastic all season so far.

The way I see it, Gerrard doesn't have the engine he used to. Hendo yesterday showed he does. Gerrard makes forward runs then takes the next minute and a half walking back to the halfway line. Hendo zips around.

Stevey has been great for us, but sometime he needs to be preserved. He should be an impact sub IMO.

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16 Dec 2013 14:11:59
Gerrard is a Legend, But at the age of 34, You simply have to accept your age,
Lucas-Allen-Henderson. offers the most important thing Energy and High Pressing. somthing which benifits dribblers infront of you like countinho and Suarez.
I would defo want Gerrard to be in the game But he should be subbed every 45-60 mts.
Y do you Need an ACM, If Suarez would do it for you.

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Yes YNWAdam 1 game!

It wasn't long ago many on here were berating rodgers etc for the ghastly performance vs Hull. Tottenham have barely won their games I think 3 1-0 games courtesy of penalties vs soft opposition, they've scraped past decent teams/drawn and been hammered by any team with a tactical brain. 1 win at home from 7?
As for your assessment of the midfield, do you watch Tottenham matches?I;ve never seen a midfield without such a clue .except us vs Arsenal

Sterling was good vs Tottenham but abysmal vs Hull. Skrtel is quite frankly terrible and the sooner we get rid the better I don't think it's time to pipe up and sing the teams praises without gerrard and sturridge till we've seen what they do vs city and chelsea.

I hate the Bi polars on here who after a crushing victory against average teams can't wait to shout from the rooftops about top spot and champs league, then as soon as we are humbled by the better tactics of arsenal etc go and say Gerrard is too old, hendo won't step up blah blah blah.

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I am of the opinion that he should stay in the side until he wants to retire.
He has carried this team for more than ten years often on his own and yes he is getting on a bit and we do have to think about life without Gerrard but does he not deserve to leave on his terms?
Honestly, appalled by some fans on here(not you Adam) that arguably the greatest player to ever don the red shirt is treated with contempt by our own fans.

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Johnnybarnes although I agree with you the decision has to benefit Liverpool Football Club rather than Steven Gerrard. I still think he has more to give but our midfield bossed the game and if that continues then they merit keeping their places.
Bobatron I agree with you about the thickleness of people on here. I don't, however, think the matches against City and Chelsea are the best barometers of how good our side are without Gerrard and Sturridge as we would struggle against them with our full squad to choose from. We want to see how we do against the likes of United, Spurs, Everton, Swansea, Southampton etc.

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16 Dec 2013 07:31:56
What a great performance! I was so proud of the team yesterday and to be honest thought we would possibly get draw pre-game, but within 10 minutes of watching felt we really looked a great side

Also I would like to say to all the names who said I and others were talking nonsense at the start of the season by suggesting Spurs would struggle with all those new players.

Well, it seems we had a valid point to make and it just shows some of you that moan about us not signing this and that high profile player what you sometimes get for your money.

I am very happy and confident as always (maybe more so) that Rodgers is the right man for the job.
We are starting to look like a team that could dominate games and put the goals in that demonstrate that gap
Well done boys and thanks Eds for all you hard work

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16 Dec 2013 06:24:43
It's time we acknowledge the other SAS - Skrtel and Sakho! Tremendous performance from the pair - the next Carra and Hyppia! Spurs can lament all they want about the loss of Vertonghen, but where's their back-up? Rodgers saw that need from our leaky defence last season and bought quality CBs not just as back-up, but to provide competition and keep the squad fresh

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The difference between the two are that Sakho prefers not to pass it back to the keeper while trying to retain possession, he uses it as a last resort. where Skrtel uses the keeper far to often which caused some dodgy moments that were unnecessary. But yes they played a huge part in the win.

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Fair enough Spurs didn't have Vertonghen & Rose but other than that they had there best team out and had a very strong bench where as we had 4 1st teamers out in Enrique, Agger, Gerrard & Sturridge but stil whopped em. Best away performance this season in the Premiership!

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Spurs doesn't know its best team. That's their problem

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Agger was on the bench

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16 Dec 2013 05:05:05
Great victory for Liverpool Football Club!
Hope we can pick up 6 points from the next three games because Cardiff should be push overs especially when playing at Anfield and Chelsea are just lucky to be in the top4 so far this season. don't see us getting anything at the Etihad with the way they are playing but after 19 games we would have 39 points, and as long as we keep up with this form, top4 should be a walk in the park.
BTW, where is Ozone? Get ready to streak mate.

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Chelsea & ManCity would be tough. I'd be happy if we get 5 points from the next 3 matches.
If we can get a draw at Chelsea & City, since they are our direct rivals in the table, they would not be leap-frogging us.

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16 Dec 2013 08:03:27
I agree. If we play anywhere near to yesterday performance. we could beat chelsea. 100%

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I think everyone is expecting 3pts at home to Cardiff and with our home record it should be a stroll in the park, Most won't agree with me on this but I have a really good feeling that we will beat Man Cty and get a draw or possibly a win against Chelsea as they are weak under Jose and are lucky to be in the top 4 in my view.

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16 Dec 2013 09:57:16
Big D.

I think We might get a draw against City, which would be awesome and I am 110% confident, we would beat Chelsea. Luiz and Terry. Suarez would Eat them alive. and next mng RA would come with a 100 mill cheaque.

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"02 Dec 2013 11:06:10
Singerd.
Keep the smile on your face until dec 29th. when lucas - gerrard- henderosn would visit Stamford bridge.
They would man mark suarez and that's done. anyone you believe would penetrate their defence or midfield apart from suarez. I challenge you?. Hazzard and co would run through our channels. Ramirez what a player. Oscar would show us why he is in the brazil team and Lucas doesn't make it. and BTW before that match, we would entertain dembele and co and yaya toure and company - Harry Scousser"

I don't have to say anymore other than you are so full of bs

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Cardiff should be pushovers? Now, that is exactly the kind of attitude the players (at least them!) mustn't have.

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16 Dec 2013 14:13:20
Singerd.

Mate. I take that. I accept and I agree I was wrong. We were simply brilliant yesterday, and I never Expected it.

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16 Dec 2013 04:24:07
Fan bloody tastic!

By far the best I have seen the team play for a very long time thankfully Henderson was fit for the game and didn't he stand up when required, although to be fair he has been performing well all season.

I have had my doubts about Sterling but not about his ability it was more to do with confidence running at players and I am glad I am eating humble pie very well played, his linkup play was great and his tracking back was fantastic, Johnson would be very appreciative of his work rate.

Lucas and Allen great partnership I know not everyone's favourite players but they bossed the midfield, I said in my previous post time to stand up and be counted they certainly did that!

Brilliant by BR making Suarez captain this season he has proved many wrong, not that anyone doubted his skill but his mentality and loyalty was certainly in question he has proved he is dedicated and a true professional you could not ask for more (even if Suarez leaves at the end of the season).

I could go on about the whole team but I won't :) only negative for me was Johnson work rate and poor positioning in the first half, he was caught out of position to many times.

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Great performance from Reds.
I agree Johnson was at fault a few times, he can be more responsible on the ball next time.

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And what about Flanno and Monster Sakho. They were both Awesome.

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16 Dec 2013 03:03:32
I think Sakho should have scored that header because it would have given him morale boost . Am so glad its 6 am and still celebrity in Kenya because most of my mates thought we shall lose

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Sakho is already full of confidence lol. did u see that backheel in our own box.

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Monster Sakho is like a wall at the back. I was also gutted he did not score this header but I am sure he will correct it against Cardiff.

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If that header went in he woulda 4 goals in as many games or there abouts he is a goal threat to say the least and seems another clever buy oh ye 23 lads 23

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16 Dec 2013 01:51:56
Eds and reds,
If Liverpool sold Suarez for €100 million in the summer after getting us back into the Champions League what striker would people want to replace him with?
Jackson Martinez, Hulk, Radamel Falcao, Diego Costa, Karim Benzema, Robert Lewandowski?
We have the money, we can buy who we want.

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Ask yourself, would they come here after we sell Suarez?
We should not go for big names just for the sake of it, but look at players who fit into the model we are building here.

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He is irreplaceable! Can't even begin to contemplate.

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Realistically it isn't at all realistic from what I understand but Diego Costa and Lewandowski (just give him a mahoosive signing on bonus)

maybe buy a LB - not too sure who, not a lot out there in terms of being better than enrique and ofcourse young flanagan is smashing it atm

WINGERS - WE NEED WINGERS would love to see shakiri in addition to salah

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16 Dec 2013 07:20:25
Lol don't be stupid on martinez out of that lot is anywhere near realistic lol

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16 Dec 2013 08:05:03
You have the money. you don't have Suarez. you simply cannot buy talent.
Check with RA or Levy, They would give you a better advice. Star player or Money.

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I'd prefer Suarez to stay because he's a match winner and he's proven but for me if Suarez were to go, then i'd have Diego Costa he is free scoring in the wake of Falcao's exit on 19 goals and has helped massively to put Atletico on level goals and points with Barcelona in La Liga, although not as good as Suarez imo, he'd certainly help score goals but then he might struggle with English football, I thought Soldado was sure to score bags full for Spurs but he isn't getting much service, so he's looking pedestrian at times.

I'd try a cheeky bid for Juan Mata as well, I think he'd be much better suited to Liverpool and Rodgers tactics than Mourinho's. Mata would help play between the lines like Suarez is for us. That's the thing, you get two types of player with Suarez, not Jeckel and Hyde, but clinical finisher who punishes teams and the provider, as he is constantly scheming and creating for his team mates, Suarez is a unique breed in that sense, we just can't get enough of him, he's that damn good! :)

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Diego Costa, Luis Muriel & Marchisio would do.

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You can'y replace him Phenom. His workrate and his demonish character on the pitch cannot be compared to anyone, not even Messi and Ronaldo. However, If he will move in the summer, I would prefer Edin Dzeko or Lewandowski to replace him

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So you guys don't think we have a Gareth Bale situation in our hands right now?
I think in the summer we will get a €100 million offer for Suarez from Real Madrid and we will buy one world class replacement.

Jackson Martinez would leave Porto.
Hulk would leave Zenit Saint Petersburg.
Radamel Falcao would leave Monaco.
The other three I am not too confident on, because they are already at some of the best clubs in Europe. Porto, Zenit and Monaco are not the best and won't ever be the best.

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Just to be clear, I wouldn't want to sell him either but I think that the offer that will be made to us will be too much to turn down and we will have to find a world class alternative.
We could lose Luis Suarez and buy Falcao or Hulk and Nemanja Matic for the same price.

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16 Dec 2013 01:21:43
Hello eds and everyone, today the football that was played was beautiful, measured and very energetic . Everyone played as a team and it was an emphatic win. Nothing more to say credit to all the team from the manager to players etc.
What do the eds think?
Keep up the tempo and intent.
Hibsylfc

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16 Dec 2013 00:43:55
Just come in from the boozer so prob not the best time to post but like most reds I am delighted with the performance and result today, however chatting with reds in the pub and trying to find a negative, it has been really bugging me for a while now and that is, why? does Mingolet insist on little one - twos at the back with Skrtel all the time which mostly ends in giving away possession or causing panic?

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There attempting to retain possession

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I agree with u mate. Mignolet and Skrtel really do struggle with the ball at their feet, and nearly gave me anervous breakdown in the very first minute of the game. However apart from that, we were flawless. I was keen to see Kelly play instead of Flanno because of his lack of pace, but Flanno put me to shame with one of the best full back performances I have seen in quite a while.

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Flannagan was brilliant. I agree I really doubted him to make the grade at Liverpool.

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It's skrtel to him, skrtel has no confidence on the ball, so goes backwards, and then doesn't take up a decent position and leaves the pass far too late

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16 Dec 2013 00:23:00
Everyone deserves the credit for tonight's win, but these 3 players stepped up their game to another level. Many have doubted them (myself included), but tonight they grasped their opportunities and proved to all that they are worthy of a place in the starting line-up.

Flanagan - Walker, Lennon, Coleman, Mirallas and Downing have so far proved to be no match for Flanagan. Before today I was still unsure about him at left back but I must admit he has won me over. I am confident he can continue his very good form against Cardiff, Chelsea and City and congratulations to him for getting his first goal for the club, he deserved it.

Allen - Questions have been asked regarding his price tag and his average performances, but today he stepped up his game. His passing and link up play in midfield was sensational. He has been given an opportunity in the absence of Gerrard and tonight he shown exactly why Rodgers brought him to Liverpool. If he can continue to play at that high standard the £15m paid for him will prove to be nothing less than a bargain.

Sterling - Since his goal against Norwich, Sterling has found his confidence. He is looking like the player we were all raving about this time last year and tonight he shown trickery, pace, strength and composure. The goal was the least he deserved for his excellent performance.

Red Rum

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Depending on his development and commitment, I see Sterling being the 'Ballon D'or' winner in the future.

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I just hope flano can develope some pace because there's no substitute for it. can it be trained on that much?

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16 Dec 2013 14:57:42
Sprint speed is definitely possible to work on but I am worried about his attacking threat for now, that's what he needs to work on. His defending and battling, his strength and work rate and the back is nothing less than top class but when he gets the ball in the final third his crossing isn't good enough, to be fair he took his goal very well and also he at least knows he's not good at crossing so he usually tries a pass along the floor if he can. If he can work on this technical ability then he will be an excellent player.

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