Liverpool Banter Archive February 16 2013
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16 Feb 2013 23:24:36
No one can ever compare to Shanks and to compare BR to him is complete and utter nonsense! It's an absolute insult and moronic.
BR is out of his depth, he won't ever be in the same league as Shanks, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Houllier nor Benitez.
He is still learning his trade and whilst I wish him every success, for all his rhetoric, he simply doesn't cut the mustard.
Everyone loves to play pretty football - yes we even like playing pretty football on our smartphones. but football is more than just a theorising exercise!
Lets put this in perspective:
(i) League position woeful
(ii) No chance of Champions League
(iii) Out of FA Cup - lost to lower league side
(iv) Out of League Cup - who did we lose to!?
(v) Likely out of Europa Cup
(vi) Not beaten a team in the top 10
(vii)NEED I SAY ANYTHING MORE?
BR didn't want a Director of Football to assist - maybe he didn't realise what a huge club we are.
It's clear he needs some assistance. if we lose to Swansea his position surely starts to become untenable.
I hope we stuff Swansea, but we need to improve. and improve quickly or BR surely should do the decent thing and accept he isn't the solution, but more part of the problem.
M
M you are an embarresment
I you think the likes of Mourinho, Klopp and Pep Guardiola are lining up for the Liverpool job you are sadly mistakened
Why would they want to take on the hardest job in football?
A team with a glorious HISTORY that hasn't won the league in over 20 years and is currently a mid table team and has been for past 4 years with limited funds available from now on and fans who expect to compete for the title let alone top four, IMMEDIATELY and if udnt you will get the axe
Its a vicious circle a new man comes in Martinez for example and the transition starts again
We need stability for crying out loud, when he took over our midfield consisted spearing who is struggling in the championship
Atleast we can do is wait till the END of the season we may even finish higher than last season then you can all pipe down
Anyways I hop Bradford win the league cup and to think they will win it with a team worth 7 grand compared to the 100 million we spen last seasom to win it
Personally I hope BR gets at least another season after this whatever happens. Notable that it doesn't look like he will achieve as much as Kenny did. Also notable that Kenny's signings are starting to come good. Not looking backwards I'm saying we need be very patient and support BR no matter what.
Hop
I keep reading this same thing.
"Kennys signings are starting to come good"
Were out of both Cups, half way down the league and have a 2-0 deficit in the Europa to try and overcome.
Enrique is an inconsistent and frustrating footballer, Downing is a looks like he's doing more than he's actually doing footballer.
Henderson is a very effective workhorse that should be played in the centre alongside a Suso type player to get the best out of him.
So can't see it meself were still suffering for last years woeful transfers.
Think you'll find Downing and Enrique are in the shop window.
kidmillions
Why is it that if you want BR then you must want PEP, Jose or Klopp
I would be happy with the return of the King at least we would know that all that can be done is being done
16 Feb 2013 22:36:44
I reside in Florida and I thank my lucky stars not because if the great weather and Latino lovelies its because my friends that support other teams back home in England would relish the decline of the institution that is Liverpool Football Club. I have to say I'm not an advocate of our current manager but can you blame him for taking the job? Most 39 year olds would have said yes. so cut him some slack and let's see what happens till the of the season! I for one would like pelligrinni or Klop but I would also like to snog Angelina Jolie so none of the above is going to happen anytime soon. anyway I wanted to ask the eds a) do you think BR will get the chop at the end of the season if results don't improve? B) who/what wa this Sharjah bid Christian purslow spoke about in the press yesterday?
Thanks guys YNWA
PALM_BEACH_SCOUSER
Excellent post mate. but being in miami and not Liverpool, i'd say youd have more chance of angelina than me :)
16 Feb 2013 22:01:02
Come the summer, we need to buy a new keeper and add some strength to the spine of our team. i'd love to see two dominant centre halfs and a powerful defensive midfielder come in. although we play pretty passing football, I think most often or not our slightly built players get easily bullied.
The squad we have only needs tweaking. we don't need big powerful this and that, we need to instill a more winning mentality to the team. The only real weakness we have is in the minds of the players, they are good enough physicaly, but needs to toughen up mentaly. A good coach could make them believe they could walk on water and I think that's what we are missing, BR doesn't seem to be able to lift them to the next level. Time and time again you see them dominate teams but still come away with nothing. They seem to be steriotyped into BR's system and unable to think or bring that little bit of extra out of themselves, a bit more individuality wouldn't go amis
Surez seems over eager and over anxious and blasts his shots rather than place them, with the chances he's had he should be on 30 plus already, the mid field should support him more and create more space I'm not knocking Surez we would be in a relagation fight if it was not for him.
Bobbinred
More players in the side with an eye for goal. Simples!
kidmillions
Yes because goal scorers are so abundant and cheap.
More money which we don't have for a manager who can't get the best out of the current lot.
FSG won't give him more money.
17 Feb 2013 09:54:26
dont people have shame?. agan buying. buying. more money. more money.
I have a horrible feeling FSG will give BR more money and 2 or 3 more years
16 Feb 2013 21:55:18
We need a good performance tomorrow and most importantly a win. I hope we see both coutinho and assaidi start, along with the return of Daniel sturridge.
Would rather push enrique up with daniel and luis bring in wisdom move johnson over hendo and gerro in middle for strength and pace
Spot on second poster 100%right Jir63
16 Feb 2013 21:19:40
Hey eds, with Paul Ince taking over at Blackpool, do you think if Liverpool were to go back in for Tom Ince in the summer could issues arise with Paul as his Manager trying to block a move? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}
Think if Paul wants to make a success of management and also further his sons career, he would probably use the opportunity to get a couple of our youngsters on a season long loan as part of the deal.
kidmillions
16 Feb 2013 21:14:24
Don't you eds just hate it when people talk about the past nonstop? The future is bright and it will take time to become a powerhouse once again. then soon we can attract the top echelon of players. BR needs time. we can't afford to keep overhauling teams or else we will get nowhere. the dude hasn't even been here a full season. I believe this summer you will see a lot of the dead weight leave this club and a lot of the faulty mistakes of our game taken out next season with people of "character" as rodgers states. I trust em and I believe Liverpool is going to dominate in the upcoming years. YNWA JFT96
NDred
I have heard this "the future looks bright "every season since 1990, give it a rest, the "dude" as you so affectionately call him won`t be given time by the owners, let alone the fans
if we don`t show significant improvement by the end of the season after investing £60M in him he will be gone, fact,
managers are judged on results now, not what it might be in the future
Well since 1990 we have won plenty of silverwhere and mounted two or three strong title challenges.
derryred
16 Feb 2013 20:49:04
All my mates are United fans and they're spot on about Liverpool fans - we're all so fickle, we win a game and we're nailed on for top four, lose one - even after dominating most games - and BR needs to be sacked and we should sell Suarez and Gerrard and FSG out etc.
Alan Partridge
HAHA united are and have always been THE most fickle fans for many years, How old are your united fans i'd bet not old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when they did nothing but moan!
Ps They still b***h and moan nowadays if any team dares beat them. {Ed023's Note - All fans have a section of fickle fans.}
Who cares what mancs think of our fans our club or anything else for that matter, there obviously not circa 1986 beause they were bring banners to the game with Fergie out not long after that year, and if I remember rightly about 5 years or so ago they had a poor season and were saying he had gone stale and needed to go and to bring Giggs with him!
So don't use your manc mates to try and justify your own opinion of what's happening at Liverpool, strap on a pair and say what you want to say, " IN BRENDAN WE TRUST " seems a popular one or " BELIEVE " or " GIVE HIM TIME, SHANKLY BUILT US FROM THE BOTTOM " etc etc.
Waro
My friends weren't alive during the 80's so I can't comment on that, I wasn't around to see Liverpool's glory days so I don't know what United fans were like then, but tbf to them I think they are spot on, a lot of youse that post on here are very fickle, more so than fans on other sites, just my opinion.
Alan Partridge
When fergusons gone, if they just finish in the top 4 without winning it for a few seasons, we'll see who's fickle?
No dominance lasts forever? We know that? can't wait!
Smug! Bar-Stewards!
kidmillions
16 Feb 2013 23:20:26
Alan patridge just go to united page, use search box and try to find last years comments you will be shocked, they just lost tleague title on goals and finished second they wanted fergie to go, some were saying fergie is too old and game has pas him, some were saying they will pay taxi for him because his holding them back and continues playing 4-4-2 which is not the modern way etc etc that's how man united fans are spoiled. They forgot everything how fergie brought titles their even forgot because of him they are force. Now imagine if they start finishing midtable like us what will their fans do.
In all fairness looking through some of the posts on here he has a point, although if united where to be in our position I doubt that there would be many united fans left for a banter page.
derryred
Waro if you're suggesting that I'm not backing the club then I suggest you read some of my other posts, I've always said I believe BR will get us where we belong, all I was saying is that a lot of people on here overreact to the extreme when we win or lose, a bit of common sense and perspective is needed on this site.
Alan Partridge
16 Feb 2013 20:01:09
I think Liverpool will need at least an extra 7 first team players in the summer.
GK - back up to Reina or replacement (Suggestions - Butland, Leno, Stegan, Courtois)
CB - 2, One to replace Skrtel (I like him but I think he will leave) and one to replace Carragher and challenge the youth for a position in the team. Wisdom, Coates and Kelly can play here but still young, and Wisdom would be my first choice with Kelly on the right, but because of age I feel need someone to compete with them so they continue to improve. (Suggestions - Howedes, Terry, Sakho)
LB - I don't think much of Enrique, I like Johnson on the left but needs competition until Robinson is ready. (Suggestions - Cissokho, Shennikov)
DM - Competition and back up for Lucas, we found our self in real trouble when he was injured, need to make sure doesn't happen again. Coady will become good but I think he might go on loan next season. (Suggestions - De Rossi, Defour)
Winger - Sterling will be main player here but I think we need someone better than Downing the other side, Coutinho I think is better behind the striker, so need to look into this I think. (Suggestions - Ozil, Sanchez, Hulk, Witsel, Dzagoev)
ST - We have some real talent in the youth for this position and I really like Yesil, but maybe could bring someone in to help out while the youth get better at their game. (Suggestions - Jovetic, Rossi, Damiao, )
Liking the look of so many English players in the youth, maybe 5 years time the England squad will be all Liverpool players. We have the talent. {Ed002's Note - I rather suspect you will have a disappointing summer with your wants list..}
I think we need to stop spending. If we can't get the best then don't spend on mediocre
I'll try not to be rude mate, but that's the most ill thought, uneducated list of potential signings I've ever seen. Terry, Butland (just signed for Stoke), Ozil, Hulk etc. Think you need to stick to football manager.
Papa G
16 Feb 2013 20:32:33
Mate after FSG money got burnt can't see any of them coming unles we sell players in order to buy, FSG will be Foolish if they Continue backing Rodgers with money.
They are only suggestions to the positions I think we need cover for. I didn't realise Butland had signed for stoke. Terry looks like he might be out the Chelsea squad and I think he would be good for 1 or 2 seasons while we wait for the youth. I went with players we have been linked to over the last 2 seasons, there are other players much cheaper that can play those positions but seen as the cheaper one's not many people know their names so I thought ones you'd heard of would save the question, WHO? FSG might not put to much money into the club in the summer, we don't know but I think with out going sales, Carrol, Reina, Skrtel, Downing, Enrique and few others I think we can get about £50million then if FSG give £15million which I've heard they might and not forgetting the wages we will free up I think we could easily get 4 or 5 players for the positions I said and then 2 on loan. Plus if Suarez leaves that willll be about another £50million to invest so might be able to get a really good player.
16 Feb 2013 22:04:13
Mate just keep in mind any player leaving needs to be replaced with better player that will coast and don't forget last few years we have beeen selling our players cheap except torres. Even if we get 50 by your thinking any decent player is going to coast so that's all money will just go to buy decent replacements rather then bringing more decent players.
If you notice the players that I've suggested might leave play in the same positions that I've suggested we need improvements. So technically we are only selling the players that need replacing anyway and for back up, the youth players can cope. Youth players that could get game time next season. Flanagan, Kelly, Wisdom, Sterling, Coady, Shelvey, Yesil, and a few others so they will be OK for backup. {Ed002's Note - Most of the players you have suggested are not and have not been of any interest to Liverpool (Coutois, ter Stegen, Terry, Oezil, Hulk, Damiao etc. so from that perspective most are not viable options.}
Ed002 Actually most of them have the only ones that haven't been linked to Liverpool over the last 2 years are Courtois and Terry the others have been linked over several websites and news papers, granted most of it is only gossip just like everything until the club actually come out and say. I never said they were viable options I said I picked this ones over cheaper options because many people have a limited understanding of footballers in other countries so I felt selecting players people have heard of because it would save them asking who that player was. My original post was never about the players that we bring in it was about the positions we need. As long as we get players in the positions I suggested I couldn't care less if the player cost £5000 or £25000000 as long as they was good.
17 Feb 2013 00:31:47
Mate Damiao`s club rate him at 60M that's simply out of our reach, Ozil again out of our reach, I'm afraid mate you need to use search box to see what ed2 has always said about the players you listed their are just wishful thinking or you still haven't understood how our club is being run.
We are long way before we can even start thinking about the players you want. If all this your expecting in next window then you will be very, very disappointed mate.
Seriously I'm this close to swearing here, read the dam posts. I never said I wanted ozil and co I said I picked these because people recognise their names. They were suggestions that Liverpool have been linked with in the past, LINKED never stated as AGREED! Yes it would be nice to have ozil, damiao and co but I also know its unlikely, The posibility is we could sign maybe one of the players I listed. Please read the full text in future because I am get annoyed at the lack of understanding with some people.
16 Feb 2013 19:57:31
Just goes to show the awful luck that LFC are having lately, just watched Evertons game and when we played Oldham we had way more chances than Everton had yet we were beaten. Typical.
16 Feb 2013 20:23:34
Yeah we were unlucky, but also underestimated Oldham completely, as did Everton. I think supporters forget that the lower league sides have absolutely nothing to lose by going all out to beat the top sides. They don't expect to win the competition, just want to get as far as they can. Oldham didn't show Everton any respect today, which is the way they had to go about it, and as a result put in a good performance. Makes me feel better about our performance, Everton even had our game to learn from.
16 Feb 2013 19:47:08
If we're looking at money from sales, pets hope Ayre or whoever is negotiating pulls a rabbit out of the hat with this summer,
Reina, Coates, Skrtel, Downing, Assaidi and Carroll all looks vulnerable ATM. Could be a big summer of change ahead, which personally I feel isn't overly wise, but if players are here on chunky wages, under performing/inconsistently performing then perhaps it'll be a sign to others to shape up or ship out
Despite what most say, BR will stay, he'll get at least another season to make things work. I don't see any others leaving than those listed above, however should a massive bid come in for Suarez (I doubt we'll be offered what we want) I don't think we'd stand in his way.
Papa G
We don't buy good players so what's the point
16 Feb 2013 19:40:20
I keep saying it. Rodgers is far too inexperienced. How does short spells at Watford, Reading, Chelsea (u18's) and one term at Swansea (inherited team) qualify him to run a club like LFC. He talks a good game but can't implement the changes required.
Funny you should say that, shankly managed carlisle, grimsby, workington and huddersfield before becoming lfc manager andlook how that turned out! 7 months or so in the job does not determine whether or not he will be a success, especially when you consider the problems he inherited before he took it! he ssid there would be tough days along the way and that has been proven. if suarez took his chances on thursday and wasnt so greedy on monday night, we might not be seeing some of the vile abuse and hatred that we are seeing at the minute!
ian the red
Shankly was also interviewed for the Liverpool job a couple of years earlier and didn't get it because the board thought he didn't have enough experience.
Mind you Shanks came back for job as having pulled on that red shirt and played at Anfield for Liverpool during the war and loved it. He knew the place was special.
Give credit to Rodgers he does respect our History and has a good knowledge of it.
That's one of the reasons he deserves a bit more respect than what he's currently getting.
kidmillions
The inherent problem with this argument is comparing Shankley with Rodgers. I'm afraid that comparison is invalid
Could not agree more ian, shankly once went 9 years between titles & had not won anything before he came to Liverpool a lot of people would have turned on him if he had been in the job today
We do posters continously try and compare a manager from yesteryear to now. Its not the same or even close. When fsg are forking out £160 million in transfers, they don't want to wait a few seasons to see if they are succesful. If Rodgers had spent nothing and worked with the squad he had and used a lot of the reserve players then I could see the idea of giving him time, but he hasnt. He has spent £60 million! More than most PL clubs this sesson.
The Irish Rover
Comparisons with Shankley. OH. MY. GOD! These have got to be wind up posts to get a reaction surely! Just incase this is genuine, Shanks took over when we were in the second division and going Knowhere so there would have been no pressure or lofty expectations on him, I would imagine as I wasn't born so he probably had carte blanche over the whole club to mould it in his own image.
I can't take many more of these cringe worthy posts, have your say that's fine but steer clear of making personic comparisons, it just dilutes your point and makes you look stupid!
Waro
Of course there was pressure on Shanks, we had been living in the shadow of Everton for years.
The crowd was impatient.
This was all before even MOD.
The only way if you were a Liverpool supporter you got to see the star players of the day and watch a good football match was by going to watch Everton one week and Liverpool the next. Which loads of Liverpool supporters did including my old fellah and me grandad. When I was kid the glory hunters were blues.
If you were a Red you suffered.
Shanks changed all that and demanded money off the board and had a terrible time getting it to buy Yeats and St John, they didn't want to give him the money because of his lack of experience.
So there was expectation as he built a side and spent more money than the LIverpool Board had ever spent before and they expected results.
kidmillions
17 Feb 2013 01:06:47
Mate comparison to shankly is just childish or your person,
Those were different times and footy has changed a lot.
Shankly didn't need to face media pressure or owners pressure who wanted european sport as soon as possible
Those times manager were afforded unlimited time because romance in footy was the most important part for players and managers, where in modern footy money plays big role if we continue finishing outside top4 that means we are losing a lot of money in sponsors, revenues etc at the sametime can't attract new sponsors or increase revenues etc, now which owner is going to accept losing all this money to give manager unlimited time.
Guyz get real I can't see any manager getting time in modern footy like fergie or wenger, the transition word just doesn't exist in modern footy no top teams want to lose money infact they want to bring more money and more money and more money haha they are a lot of fans who are simply OUT OF THEIR DEPTH!
ED2 mate honestly can you see any manager getting time like Fegie or wenger in modern footy where money plays big role or does even word transition exist {Ed002's Note - I see them as exceptions - it won't happen again.}
If you disagree on Shanks you don't know your LFC history.
Shanks came with a plan ( just like Rodgers) he wanted money from a notoriously stingy chairman and board to buy players and wanted significant improvements made to a dilipadated Anfield stadium.
He was consequently disliked by the majority of the board and only accepted once he had achieved some success.
Not too different from this day and age Really.
KNOW YOUR HISTORY!.
kidmillions
There was a statement saying Shanks was not under any pressure.
I am not making comparisons.
I am just stating that he was under pressure back in the day, a different type of pressure but pressure none the less.
kidmillions
17 Feb 2013 09:56:54
Kidmillions mate still you don't understand I know our history and can challange anyone, as ed2 said those were exception and won't happen again. Footy has really changed do you think any manager will get 5-6 years like fergie without finishing top4 and owners accepting losing money, revenues, sponsors etc because I can't see that. Today running football club owners invest a lot of money they expect their money to return. {Ed002's Note - Sir Alex Ferguson is not a good example to use. What went on at Manchester United was half a lifetime ago and football has moved on considerably since then. You need to see managers as transient employees of a club, just like players. They are there to do a job - there is no lengthy period of transition. If it is not working out, it is like cutting out a bad part of an apple, divorsing a wife you no longer have a need for or amputating a gangrenous member.}
Don't know my lfc history anywhere near as much as the kid, but I guess it says a lot the fans that have disliked his first post. Why not just give the manager time,, if we keep sacking managers after half a season then we will end up getting relegated In the not to distant future. Then the fickl fans can move there support to another prem club, cause support like your belongs in the prem.
KUMBER
I doubt Shanks had a big f*ck off portrait off himself on his living room wall tho. Anyone else think Ted looks like a reflection in a spoon? {Ed001's Note - idiotic point to make, the portrait was given to him as a thank you by a charity. He gave it pride of place, as he should do, if for no other reason than so that charity gets mentioned every time someone sees it.}
16 Feb 2013 19:28:25
Thanks to the eds for all their hard work & to fester on his earlier post brilliantly put friend! Through the wind & the rain
Y. n. w. a jft96
Paisley's genius
16 Feb 2013 19:23:46
can't wait to hear the supporters tomorrow. you don't know what your doing to rodgers. your getting sacked in the morning yo rodgers from the swansea fans.
may even start a Rafa song or two myself.
as the in brendan we trust brigade come out in force.
member the longer he's in charge another generation of fans fail to see us win.
look at his record. its a joke. fact
marker
What. A. Muppet. !
Myk
Maybe if you're really lucky you could split the fans in the ground down the middle against each other. wouldn't that be great!
What a total Muppet
Fitzy
16 Feb 2013 19:16:45
I pretty much have the LFC channel on all day, just walked in and I thought I was watching Stevie G in a match. Anyone else think Conor Coady has the same stature and movement as SG.
Hope he turns out like him to fill his boots in a few years time, In fact most of this nextgen team look good
Rigsby has the attitude of SG - take a look at him
Jack Dunn will be the next stevie G. Has the energy and can score from distance. He will be the next big thing from Liverpool. Give it 2-3 years.
YNWA
Jamesy
Like the look of both of them & the fact that coady can play centreback is an advantage a future pairing of kelly & coady at the centreback positions with their ability to play & pass could have potential for the long term.
Good luck for the game tomorrow all reds
Paisley's genius
None of these players will make it. mark my words
you can apologize to me in a few years time for slating this post
You may be correct but to whom shall we apologize to?
Paisley's genius
16 Feb 2013 19:04:44
Whilst I don't like what Rodgers has done I see some potential in him. I think if he had a DOF or spent a spell as no. 2 to an experienced manager to earn his stripes and learn how LFC operates, he will eventually come good. What do you think?
He only took the job because FSG accepted his demand that there would be no D of F.
To appoint one now without his agreement amounts to breech of contract and legal action. {Ed002's Note - Absolute rubbish.}
16 Feb 2013 18:56:59
Never mind FSG out
Posters who abuse Eds out
HPH
How could anyone disagree with that post?
Bigbadben
16 Feb 2013 18:49:08
just been reading a lot of comments from the Arsenal fans,
Looking like another trophyless year and they don't seem happy at all,
The way I see things this is the direction we are going too, nice attractive football with rarely enough cutting edge and consistency to challenge for the premier league, its attractive but toothless and its flaws always get underlined when the battle really starts
Just a note for the eds.
Ive had more than a few swapped fiery comments and banter with one or two, in particular Mr 002 but seriously boys give them a break, its a great site to voice your opinions and i'm suggesting they more than likely work for free, everyones entitled to have a moan and a gripe aimed at LFC but let's not bite the hand that feeds when it comes to an outlet for all our footballing rage!,
keep up the good work fellas
The Guv YNWA JFT96
16 Feb 2013 18:46:00
I can see what rodgers wants to do and play like barca etc. and barca are great but look at how when barca came up against chelsea, Celtic teams with decent/Great players with the right tactics they were beaten where does that leave us with a lot of average players. to be honest I would rather play with 1% possession and 1-0 than have 80 % possession and loose. Our defence are not great passers to play from the back except Agger at times our full backs must defend. we have a shot team very short midfield. we need experienced players not kids. I understand we can't buy cavani, Neymar etc. but our (correct me if i'm wrong ) butscouting network must be bigger than the likes of swansea, Newcastle etc. they can pull these cheep gems Michu, Ba, Cisse (know there spelt wrong) why can't our scouting network find these types of good cheep players. we can't sign world class in our current state like some fans think. Before its said i'm not a fantasy manager and don't us my age against me
Stoke and West Brom have shown how fragile tikki takka is and how easy it is to beat a system of average players. It's flawed and will never work in EPL.
Ozone
Barcelona play 2 holding midfielders in busquets and mashcarana sorry about spelling. we don' have one holding midfielder or we did'nt agaisnt zenit.
I Posted above that's what I ment by my post the systems too easy to beat with average players
IRISHRED1995
16 Feb 2013 21:05:34
Barcelona have won 14 trophies in the last 5 years, including Champions Leagues, but let's forget about that because two losses against Chelsea and Celtic clearly proves that Barcelona are a rubbish team when the other team is up for it.
Hounsred
In reply again I said they were great and the last 2 times they were found out. they were found out with great players we have a good few average. a lot of the 14 trophies are Spanish and copa del ray. the Spanish league is weak. you have 2 great 3/4 v good and the rest can be pretty average. i'm stating my point that's all man. Ticka Tacka can be taken apart. We also seem to be very light weight and get pushed off the ball.
16 Feb 2013 18:28:18
Eds, fellow reds, a couple of point. Do you think BR needs to bring in an ex player / coach to try and install the old passion. and do you think we are moving forward as a club or a team? {Ed002's Note - Bringing in an ex-player to "install the old passion" seems a particularly flaky thing to do, so he might.}
I bet he got alonso to make the comments he did {Ed002's Note - There is looking like a good chance Alonso will be sold in the summer so I would doubt you will see him coaching at Real Madrid.}
If he's likely to be sold as you said ed, what are the chances he'll make a return to Liverpool? :) Thanks! {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}
16 Feb 2013 18:20:51
Anyone think the owners will stick around much longer, as we seem to be in free fall. Even more money is going to be needed to revamp our average squad. granted money has been wasted by the current manager and the previous one, but the fact remains that if we want to get champions league football again, then we have to sign some quality players. have the owners got the money to get us back at the top end of the table, if they have will Rodgers still be in charge to spend it (or waste it).
16 Feb 2013 18:13:31
I'm hearing all is not well in the fsg corridors of power. a split is emerging between some of it's members on the wisdom of keeping the asset that is Liverpool football club. John w Henry is in favour of keeping the club for a while longer, but there is a growing discontent at the heart of fsg in regards to the club.
Who are you mystic meg?
Oh dear!! Really did John Henry ring and tell you?
What a waste of a post
Paisleys Slippers
That is fairly evident.
I expect Liverpool to be sold.
It is still a massive brand name in Asia. But this could change rapidly.
Mint
An investor pulled out last week.
Ozone
16 Feb 2013 19:24:45
The problem is fSG money is spent badly first by kenny now Rodgers, its 3 years already and still we haven't got champions league which is main to move our club foward, without champions league we are losing a lot of money, revenues and sponsors money which is really hurting our club badly, at the sametime can't attract new sponsors or massively increase our revenue without champions league, I'm sure that won't keep FSG investors happy something needs to change very quickly because I can't see FSG backing Rodgers with another 30-40M or we getting champions league in near future, Rodgers needs to work and get Champions league with the same squad unles he sales the players in order to buy. Ed2 mate can you see Rodgers Getting another 35-45M to spend because I can't see that especially with the way their money was spent {Ed002's Note - As I have explained, the club has had to easy money and is likely to need to be more fiscally responsible going forward so expect money from sales to be the primary means of funding from now on.}
"An investor pulled out last week"
Any truth in this ed002?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - In respect of what? Buying the club? Then no.}
FSG won't be missed
16 Feb 2013 18:10:55
Just watching the blues***e vs the mighty Oldham, I thought Liverpool were playing that's all they have been talking about, we have been mentioned in nearly every conversation, any opportunity to have a dig at us, it's all doom & gloom. JaySpearingsGhost
16 Feb 2013 17:42:33
To all who says that Rafa Benitez is to blame for our decline and almost bankrupcy I remind you that in all six years in charge he spend only almost 90 mil pound (seel-buys), he took us in final year in UEFA semifinal we don't win because we are robbed by referes (goal in spain), and remember in that year was a turmoil in our club. Yes he made mistakes but the ratio is in his favor by bringing a lot a world class players. For they who don't know and say that Xabi Alonso back then was not a world class remember that Real Sociedad finish second in La Liga with Xabi in 2003. Rafa want Barry because Xabi was in that time injury prone. And by the way he don't fear to axe the players who bought and don't perform:ex Josemi, Morientes, Kronkamp, Nunez and others. And also bought some good young players like Suso, Shelvey, Lucas, but not for 15 mil pounds.
Mircea
Those players who didn't 'perform' under him were cheap buys that he got in. They weren't very good players to start with. Borini is ten times the player morientes was when he was playing for us.
16 Feb 2013 18:33:16
Spot on mircea no one can argue about benitez even rodgers supporters can't he has won trophys that rodgers can only dream, when benitez left he left a very healthy team only alonso was missing from his team who were beating teams like madrid 5-0, only the english team to beat barcelona in barcelona, beating teams like united 4-1 etc etc
Our decline started when we appointed hodgson and showed lack of ambition to our players and one by one started leaving, the team started breaking and the money received by selling them was spent badly which started our club going downwards, when benitez left we needed to appoint Liverpool standard manager who could convince our players to stay and add 1-2 quality players in order to continue fight for 19th league title, in 6 years we had only one blip which we finished 7th
Honours that Rodgers can only dream
Spanish league- 2
Eurpa league- 1
Super cup- 1
Charity sheild- 1
Fa cup- 1
Club world cup- 1
Italy super copa- 1
This arguement about wasting money on players is a reasonable shout, but what you need to consider is who was the most successful manager who wasted money on mediocre players, They are all responsible for it
Souness (responsible for buying utter rubbish on a regular basis, he himself a great player though)
Hodgson (i only have to mention poulsen and konchesky!)
Houllier (we had some some success but some dreadful signings-Diouf, salif dao, the next zidane Bruno Cheyrou)
Dalglish (andy carroll is probably enough!)
Rodgers (borini, allen, assaidi, yesil, and he`s only been here 5 minutes
Rafa ( now you have a manager who can buy rubbish with transfers he funded himself through great CL runs, win the CL, get close to the PL on a couple of occasions, beat the cream of Europe on many occasions)
therfore the only man who could manage this mediocre team and get success is
WAIT FOR IT!
RAFA of course
16 Feb 2013 20:12:30
You're an person mate yesil? He's 18 ffs rafa is a below average manager who has ruined chelsea's expensive team, helped to nearly put us in administration and destroyed inter's champions league winning team. Stick them facts up your.
For goodness sake look forward!
Yes we had some great times with Rafa no doubt, but what makes you think he could recreate all his success again? When he was in charge the league was easier, teams weren't as strong as they were now. But now he seems to be struggling with an extremely talented Chelsea squad!
Guys look forward, we sack Rogers, that's 3 managers in 3 seasons. What we need right now is stability, and if that means more time for Rogers, back him. What makes you think the next manager will be an instant success?
Forget Rafa, who was a legend, look forward. Give Rogers time and patience, he is clearly trying to implant his philosophy, don't let a couple of games judge what it is.
John
Rafa ruining chelski, he`s that bad they will be in the champions league again next year!, that's what a below average manager does is it, and as for John please don`t use the word philosophy I hear that enough from BR! and I am looking forward, I want rafa back, he would jump at the chance, he would be back where he wanted to be, he was on a losing battle at inter after mourinho went. he is managing under terrible conditions at chelsea where he is not wanted but will still get top 4.
tell us to look forward! LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT, FORGET RAFA, NEVER
John, you really think the teams are stronger now, that is ridiculous, the champions of our great league can`t get past the group stages of the CL, this is the worst man united side I have seen in 20 years, everton are up there and they are poor, arsenal are half the side they were a few years back, spurs are third and they have one good player, this is the worst lot of top flight teams in history
"therfore the only man who could manage this mediocre team and get success is RAFA"
Is this thew same RAFA who told Roman that 21 international players in the Chelsea squad were not enough
16 Feb 2013 21:10:09
Mate if you know anything about footy then you will know why chelsea are struggling, chelsea don't have natural width and who ever bought players he was clearly out of his depth.
Hazzard natural no 10 behind striker
Mata natural no 10 behind striker
Torress is struggling to score same as ba as their is no proper width, so they try to attack from midle of the pitch once you close down their attack from midle they can't change because a lot of player who were brought they natural position is behind the striker that's the reason why rafa is trying to play marko marin again injuries has halt is progress. Rafa had to even play left back there to get natural width but team is unbalanced with a lot of player brought who like to play in same position any manager comeing in will need to buy some wingers to get their balance right. Even their midfield is unbalaced rafa tries to play david luiz to get that balace right, chelsea bought a lot of big names but who ever bought didn't think that a lot of players play in same position.
16 Feb 2013 17:00:43
Just watched the arsenal game and they seem to suffer the same fate as us- dominating games yet still losing somehow.
We both play the same type of football with young players and tiki taka passing. They even have more quality than us yet it still isn't working that well for them.
Surely we should try to be emulating Utd who are the team to beat this year?
They get the ball to their forwards quickly without passing it around their back 4 too much and THEN they begin to play when they're around the oppositions box looking for clever balls to unlock the defence. Also they pack the box to give them every change of scoring a goal and push high up the pitch.
We waste far too much time passing it around our back 4 when we could be spending that time taking more shots on goal.
16 Feb 2013 18:01:19
Mate when arsenal were playing normal footy with vieras and henry etc they were winning trophys and winning by unbeaten not losing single game in league and were untouchable, invicebales once wenger changed style and started playing tippi tappi footy their downfall started and now they haven't won a single trophy for 8-9 years that's how bad it has effected them.
16 Feb 2013 16:21:36
{Ed002's Note - Sadly there is now a lot of abuse again being thrown at the Editors, so expect fewer and fewer posts to be getting through for a while. Sorry but that is the way it is going to have to be.}
16 Feb 2013 17:02:56
Why abuse the eds who are doing an amazing job please stop any abuse and post constructive posts
Disgraceful! there has to be a way of blocking them.
Thanks to the Eds we can enjoy this site.
kidmillions
I don`t understand why the Eds get abuse, this is a banter site where we let out frustrations, make tongue in cheek observations and take the p### out of each other, but abusive posts are totally unnecessary and unwanted, I only hope you could find a way to ban them,
Don`t let these people get to you Eds, 99. 9% of the posters on here value your opinions and answers and keep up the great work you do
wardie
It is the nature of the internet and quite usual.
"If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. " President Truman
It may be because some people do not see you as being objective. Calling Rodgers a great coach, sounds more like management-man.
Mint
Ed's, don't give them the satisfaction of letting them get to yous. Great job, really enjoy the site, so don't let the few persons ruin it for the majority.
16 Feb 2013 16:06:57
What exactly does Brendan mean when he says 'recycling' the ball?
GuvTOB
You put it in the grey bin, not the green! ;-))
kidmillions
Stewart downing in his youtube classic, watched by king kenny and john henry.
I don't know the context, but I would hazard a guess that he means it in the same context as a reset? If the ball is stuck in the midfield position with no clear opportunity forward, lump it back a rank and reset the play going forward a bit sort of a thing?
I think it means pass it back to Pepe, if this is recycling the ball we have done an awfull lot towards the carbon footprint this season!
16 Feb 2013 16:02:03
What is certain s is that way to much money has been wasted by Kenny and brendan on mediocre players, this is what has really halted our progress. so I hope reports of us being linked to Ashley williams are just idol tabloid gossip, as if there true then the manager clearly doesn't grasp how big of a club we really are. what is needed. Is quality players, and there are plenty of them out there that would still join us, even in our current state.
16 Feb 2013 16:01:34
Most 'fans' on this side are convinced that we lost tomorrows game before we even go on the pitch.
That is 'real support' from 'real fans'
But they were right. We don't have to be ignorants
If you know we will get beat tomorrow before we even kick a ball can you tell me what the lottery numbers will be tonight please. Dick
YNWA
Jamesy
Sorry that was not to the original post. But the next one down.
YNWA
Jamesy
Not sure I follow you completely. I plan on supporting the team 100% tomorrow, however I expect we will probably lose. I'm not sure how those two are at odds with each other?
Do you think Oldham fans expected to actually beat us? I would say probably not, but they supported their team anyway. Thus we can also support the team whilst perhaps not expecting a result in our favor.
16 Feb 2013 15:18:39
We have to stop passing around the back. I'm all for keeping possession and pass and move but its awful to watch and gets us nowhere the way we do it most of the time
What I don't understand is that these problems are so evident to us fans, surely professionals like BR can see the same things but yet the team does the same things over and over, I hate when reina, skrtl, Johnson and Lucas try and pass the ball aimlessly for 5 to 10 passes between them then they just give the ball away, it happens every game
But if we do that, what will St Jamie do? Next you'll want us to play a higher line and that'll expose his lack of pace.
16 Feb 2013 15:15:06
How are LFC going to persuade Suarez to give us another season?
We're not going to get top 4.
We're very unlikely going to get top 5
6th place might get Europa Cup IF a top 5 club wins the FA
cup.
If we don't finish in top 6 (currently 6 points adrift) then we will not be in Europe next season. A miracle or a dodgy ref might get us past Zenit, but let's be honest, we're
not going to win the tournament.
So nothing on the pitch to convince him.
Money? He'll get more elsewhere.
So that leaves us with manager. For me, Suarez will not stay if Rodgers is still manager. All he has seen is regression under Rodgers. If it wasn't for Suarez, how many points would we have this season? He has carried us.
A top manager coming in MIGHT persuade Luis to stay. This is another reason why Rodgers time is running out and excuses are wearing thin.
Is it just me that not really too bothered if Suarez leaves? Frankly his finishing ability is osciliates between genius and insanely poor and I think he's at least a tad bit responsible our inconsistent performances. He's a talented player, no doubt, but if he does leave I would expect it to be for a decent fee which would hopefully be reinvested wisely into 2 quality players. I realize it's this last bit (wisely and quality) that is tricky, of course.
Can the first person who replied tell me where we would be without suarez this season, he has been brilliant in most games, we all know he`s not a natural finisher but we would be in a more unthinkable position without him, he creates and scares the life out of the opposition, to say he has been insanely poor is ridiculous, you obviously don`t know what your talking about
I didn't say he was insanely poor, I said his finishing can be insanely poor- against Zenit being a prime example where he didn't even manage to hit the target at least 3 times on more or less open nets.
Where would we be without him? I don't know. Hypothetically, we could have sold him in the summer for say 30M and bought Michu and van Persie instead and possibly been better off. Or, alternatively we could have gotten 3 mediocre players and been in a true relegation scrap. Point is, there is at least a reasonable chance we could be better off without him, is there not?
Going back even further, say we had never bought him in the first place, then there is a chance we would have done something differently that January and perhaps we would be in the CL instead and still have KK as a manager. Boggles my mind that folks on here blame the owners for giving Kenny the sack what it's pretty clear that Suarez, intentional or not, certainly had a hand in sealing his fate.
LFC will survive with or without Luis Suarez and whether he stays or goes is not really a major concern of mine. If he were more consistent, clinical in finishing, picked his head up occasionally to find other players in the box, and could avoid biting/racial/and handball controversies then I might be a bit more concerned about it.
Would it not be better if we could get 2 15-20 a season strikers in the squad than have suarez scoring 20-30 on this season form. it would be better cover in injury wise
Michu was never on the radar, van persie no chance, no comparison, the reason he plays with his head down is because he`s used to no support, we now have sturridge who has pleasantly surprised me, to help him out with goals, so we now have 2 15-20 goal strikers, why get rid of him, absolute nonsense
Why not sell him and end up danny and two others that's two strikers 15-20 and add a striker or goal scoring midfielder etc. that's 2 for one IRISHRED1995
One of the best players to grace anfield in recent times and it`s not your concern wether he stays or not, fantastic player, wouldn`t swap him for anyone (apart from messi!) there is not one team in europe that wouldn`t take him (apart from maybe barca!) top class, love him,, never injured 100% every game, you must be mad to even consider it
Sigh. I never said van Persie and Michu were realistic, they're just examples. I can't predict what might have happened, which is precisely the point. Saying 'where would we be without Suarez' is just as big a fallacy.
I also don't recall saying I wanted Suarez to leave, I said I wouldn't be bothered much if he did- entirely different thing. In other words, I can't fathom all of the doom and gloom projections if (as is entirely possible) he heads of to Bayern in exchange for 40M or so.
Sigh, just not being bothered much if he left beggars belief considering where we are as a club where it`s crucial we keep our best players, 40m euros in the hands of BR won`t guarantee better players, in fact we wouldn`t get anyone near his calibre, we need to build around him
What I mean is simply put we can't afford to build around him with the players most on here want. As Ed002 and others have said, our ins this summer will likely be financed by the outs. If Suarez stays then I'm fine with that, but don't expect to get another 20M+ forward in (the oft-mentioned build around Suarez strategy).
Alternatively, if he goes, then we could conceivably pick up 2 quality forwards (the likes of Reus and Mertens, as examples). I'd be fine with that as well. {Ed002's Note - There is zero chance of Reus.}
Understood and agreed about Reus, Ed002, just one name that comes to mind since I happened to be watching the Dortmond game. Wish it was possible though, he's a fantastic young player.
Or we could sell him and buy 3 or 4 good players like Newcastle would
If Suarez is sold its going to be a VERY long season next year! BR (or another manager) needs to be able to adapt his style to his players not the other way around. a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-2-3-1 with Suarez playing the support forward role works best. He needs that player in the box to finish the chances he creates. We've seen how Sturridge has scored already. We need another FINISHER up top because its not Borini and Carroll's movement around the box isn't good enough and Sturridge has to rest sometimes. Also a true chance providing winger who can beat his man on the outside to go with an improved CB and replacement for Reina. {Ed002's Note - Posters proposed team is on the team page.}
16 Feb 2013 15:44:07
If Brendan Rodgers can hang on to his job and prove to be successful. Then in the passage of time some his David Brentesque quotes will become legendary. I for one would like that.
kidmillions
And what happened to David Brent?
Do you think he is going to be a success kidmillions?
I think the jurys definitely out on Rodgers but I do think he deserves a bit more time and definitely a bit more respect.
Things can change so quickly in football if the players want him to stay they have a chance in the remaining league games to make a statement.
kidmillions
16 Feb 2013 15:34:18
I read the posts and I want to ask supporters who are behind Brendan Rodgers:Why they think we are in a right direction?The facts speeks for himself:we win only 9 games from 26 in EPL, we are out from the FA and League Cup (Oldham and Swansea), almost out in UEFA. Give me one good reason to support him. Only because is our manager?What he achieved in his entire career to trust him to turn arround the corner?If we speek against the manager, the owners, the players don't means we don't support the club, we speak because we care about the club. If we don't care, we don't speak.
We are not a selling club who raise young players after we sell them to other clubs, we are not a school were a coach have time to learn, we are Liverpool FC THE GREATEST TEAM IN ENGLISH HYSTORY!Your thoghts please!Sorry for my english.
Mircea
16 Feb 2013 16:09:55
If you have watched the games, you will know that we dominate nearly all of them but just find a way of cocking up. We just need to get rid of little things like that and we will be winning game after game. That is why I think we are going in the right direction. For example, under Hodgson there was no hope, at least under Rodgers we can see that when we are playing at our best, we are a real force.
Hounsred
Keep sacking every manager we get will nt work it will keep putting us back and we will have to start again. Look at Chelsea they have a quality team yet they keep sacking a recharging managers and I'm sorry but they have looked really shakey recently.
We should keep Rodgers because we have been playing good football a few individual mistakes and he is still learning but all you persons will eat your words and then hide away.
Who do you suggest we get? AVB has done no better at Tottenham then rednapp he's still stayed in forth place which you could argue we have done but the only way forward is patience.
London red
This season was never about winning cups or even getting champions league it was about getting the team to play his style of football and giving him chance to bring in players to suit that style hence mostly players he's worked with coming in. You can reverse a 5-6 year downward spiral in one season not without throwing 100m at the problem like city, Chelsea etc.
Weather people want to admit it or not we have been playing good football and dominating teams but individual errors have cost us, that's down to the players not the manager. He can't run on the pitch and drag an experienced defender the right side of an attacker at a set piece any more than he could of ran on and got a touch on one of suarez's missed chances to put us ahead against zenit.
You can clearly see what he's been trying to implement but it's old dogs and new tricks for some of our boys and that's no disrespect to the likes of stevie and co but were trying to play a style of football that doesn't suit all players especially English players who aren't taught the same level of technical ability as Spanish, brazilians and other South American or even some european countries.
We need to get the balance right which I'm sure Brendan will given time. We need to be patient and give it another 1-2 seasons then start to ask questions, not judge now when we're only in the teething stages at the minute.
Fester
The results and the stats are not the be all and all of assessing progression.
You've also got to use your eyes, judgement and experience.
When were good we're really good and obviously when were bad were awful.
We need another 2 forwards? Could be as simple and as cost effective as Tom Ince and bringing Ngoo into the squad.
Then we really need to break the bank for a Juan Mata type player.
Unless of course Coutinho or Suso or both step up between now and the end of the season.
kidmillions
Fester are you my long lost uncle? ;-)
Seriously: Excellent post well thought out ; Hit the nail on the head.
kidmillions
16 Feb 2013 16:45:41
But keeping wrong manager will harm our team especially who keeps on wasting owners money in hasbeens.
To fester owners made it clear rodgers taget is top4 anything less is failure.
16 Feb 2013 17:16:08
Which has beens has he bought? So basically you don't think he's the right man for something he hasn't done? And also just because top 4 isn't reached it doesn't mean you start again, you have to correct the mistakes and reach the target the next time.
Hounsred
Kidmillions- not sure if I'm your uncle but I have put it about a bit so it's possible!
Top four was never a realistic target due to the state of the club but if the owners had come out and said that the old 'they've got no ambition' brigade would have been out in force. Rodgers got the job based on his dossier he presented and the first steps to that was to implement his style of play and lay foundations to take us forward not to win this or that or to get top four.
I think people need to be realistic and stop getting all knee jerk after every game, we are in transition and it's going to take a couple seasons so be patient.
Very good post Fester I totally agree
NR
Cheers NR
Fester
16 Feb 2013 14:58:35
Ed001 give bielsa a ring mate, we need his help
KingMiz
Yeah he is doing Well right now. Or something
16 Feb 2013 14:57:16
I really hope the rumours of us wanting to sign Ashley Williams are just rumours, and have no truth behind them. I'm sick and tired of us buying average players for ridiculous fee's. We need some proven international stars if we're ever going to get back into the champions league.
Swansea will want around the £15M mark for him, as you said we need better players than him, we could get Sakho, Richards, Rolando, Ogbonna etc for roughly the same price.
BigD
He is no better than. What we already have.
What we need is a solid dominant. Defender, not some second. Rate. Player.
Sakho, angle angelo ogbonna Would be great additions to our squad. much better players than williams.
This guy gets it! Proven Internationals please! So no Tom Ince either, hasn't been close to England's senior squad so how would be improve our first team NOW, not in the future, NOW!
It's all well and good buying young stars for the future, but by then we may be so far down the table those young stars will want out and want to move to bigger champions league clubs!
RDR
We have Kelly, Wisdom and Coates as back up to Skyrtel and Agger.
We need to spend any money on a Mata type midfieder £25mil and 10/12 mil on an experienced goalsorer even if he's 29/30 plus get Tom Ince and install Ngoo in the squad.
Sorted! Scoring goals takes the pressure off the defence.
Manutd fans have been banging on about getting a World Class midfielder for ages (they havn't got one) but what did ferguson do? He bought a goalscorer RVP. IRMC
kidmillions
16 Feb 2013 14:30:20
Well Eds any news on any Scouting reports from the across the globe for the Pool?
Also Bring on Anfield tomorrow. YNWA
Mikey LFC {Ed002's Note - Not right now Mikey.}
16 Feb 2013 14:02:56
To put our slim Champions League hopes in perspective. over the last 5 seasons the 4th place team has finished with an average of 71 points. Typically there has been pretty big gaps historically between 4th and 5th places so to finish one point ahead (to avoid a goal difference decider) of the 5th place team you would have had to average 66 points (rounded up from 65. 4). Simply put, as we sit on 36 points currently, that would mean we would have to win at least 10 of our last 12 games to be in with a chance of 4th place.
rjb
Fully plausible then :P
I think it`s pretty obvious we need at least 10 wins to stand any chance of europe, what you didn`t mention is we need another 4 or 5 points to guarantee staying in the prem and that isn`t certain
Lol, true hadn't thought of that! I suppose I am the eternal optimist!
rjb
So you're saying there's chance?
Honestly no. Just not enough consistency to string that many results together. We still seem fragile. can't put my finger on it but a Steve McMahon or Souness type player would certainly go a long way to toughen us up!
rjb
16 Feb 2013 13:57:49
"the players are giving everything" Rogers is saying.
1/ Either Rodgers can't manage the players better or
2/ The players are just not good enough.
I have mixed feelings on both. The squad needs a major overhaul. Rodgers has to admit that Allen, Borini, Assaidi are not LFC standard and sell. FSG has to abandon this under 23 policy and buy proven exprerience to build up the spine of a team.
The problem is we are in catch 22. Unless we win the Europa Cup we will not be in Europe for a good while, which will mean lack of finance from sponsors and FSG.
The club is in a downward spiral. The current players are not capable of a turn-around and do not have consistency of results.
Rodgers is far too inexperienced. How does short spells at Watford, Reading, Chelsea (u18's) and one term at Swansea (inherited team) qualify him to run a club like LFC. He talks a good game but can't implement the changes required.
For the short term future, LFC will remain a mid-table team, unless millions are poured into quality players which is unlikely.
I really don't see what all the fuss is about, our manager has confirmed that we put in a '' near perfect '' performance on Thursday.
Or obviously the owners can do one better and bring a proven manager like carlo ancelotti from psg or rafa and give them funds to buy quality players. doesn't necessarily mean we should spend 20million + on each player. the awful amount of money that KK and BR spent, had it been rafa we would be playing real Madrid now and not the scum. the faster they realize that BR alone was another wrong appointment like commolli or KK the better it is.
the least they can do is appoint an experienced DOF to guide him and motivate the players. {Ed023's Note - So all of Rafa's signings were great? He signed some shockers too mate.}
Rafa started the downward spiral.
derryred
He is continuing it derryred, just got a new club unfortunately.
Melbourne CFC
Rafa created his own transfer funds by doing well in the CL, bringing loads of money in,
granted, he wasted some of it but he also brought some great players, alonso, pepe, torres, arbeloa was decent, I waited 20 years for great european nights, real madrid 5-0 on agg, beating barca 2-1 away, 2 finals, champions league winners,
If you can win a champions league with traore, baros, scmicer, dudek, garcia, cisse, kewell in your team I think he could do better than hodgson, dalglish & rodgers with this team
i refuse to accept Rafa is to blame for starting this mess, I will probably have to wait another 20 years for any sort of glory he brought to the club,
i crave for premier success and he didn`t bring it but at least we got close on a couple of occasions,
i know a lot will disagree with this because all you remember is his last season but i`m sure he would have turned it around given another couple of years and we would now be back being a top 4 side instead of bringing in managers who are out of there depth
there I feel better now!
wardie
Agree with original quote. Rodgers and his backroom team are not experienced enough and have not experienced the rough and tumble of the Prem league as players challenging for trophies.
U ED MOTHERSONER, HE HAD BAD SIGNING BUT HE NEVER PAID 15, AND 10 TO COME OUT TO be FLOP, ALL HIS 10MILLIONS PLYS SIGNING WERE GREAT, APART FROM KEAN HU HE didn't BUY, AGGER 6MILLIONS, SKERTEL 5MILLIONS, BELLAMI 6MILLIONS, CROUCH 7MILLIONS, LUCAS 6MILLIONS, REINA 6MILLIONS, AND STILL THOUS PLAYER PLAY BETTER THAN ANY OF THOUSE 10 OR 20MILLIONS SIGNINS WE DID APART FROM SUAREZ. LOOK HOW MUCH HE SPEND ON A PLAYER BEFORE BEING A FLOP, HE USEDTO PREDICT PLAYER FLOPPING AND USEDTO GET RID OF THEM STRAIGHT AWAY, AND NO WAISTENG OUR CLUB GAMES BEFORE THE TEAM PERFORMANCES DROPS. {Ed023's Note - Remember when he tried replacing Xabi Alonso with Gareth Barry? Or when he eventually replaced him with Aquilani? I admit he made good buys but he took over a side in the Champions League which made Liverpool a more attractive club to sign for than it is now. We as Liverpool fans need to support NOW and not before. Our problem is that we're too busy admiring the past, that's why we're left behind now}
16 Feb 2013 13:53:13
I can't believe were back at this again. It seems like all the fans want Rodgers out and then there are some more rational fans who don't want to start cutting people off left right and center. I think getting rid of him after one season is a mistake! He has much to learn but hopefully he has learnt a lot more this season from his mistakes. Tbh at this moment and time I don't even care if Rodgers get sacked as long as the fans and the players can stay united cause we need that. Anfield has gone so quiet this past few years and if its united with or united against our manager it doesn't matter we just need that Anfield atmosphere back.
AndyKopLiverpool (still hopeful for the future)
16 Feb 2013 13:51:20
every body sayin brenden rodgers needs to go real supporters stick wit dere team no matter what if we had won our last few games the same negative fans that are callin for rodgers head on this site would be sayin what a great manager he is deres no point cryin over spilt milk all you negative fans need to stand up an be men we wil ride out the storm together stay positive if we sign the rite players in the summer maybe this time next year we may be in contention for the one trophy all Liverpool fan crave the premier league dresdon?
I`m out of breath reading that, any chance of using comma's and full stops
Which division are '' wit dere '' in?
Don't base your opinion on what if's, if we had done this, of this had happened, if the ref had given us the penalty. , the truth is that we have not won in our last couple of games so the abuse directed to BR and the team is well warranted,
This is well into the season, excuses are running short, what next excuse will BR use?
Really?. I'm pretty sure real supporters like yourself thought that Roy hodgson was the next bill shankly.
16 Feb 2013 13:40:43
Tomorrow it will be a day that Liverpool football club will show that they can react and they can play football.
We will walk into Anfield with ambition and motivation and we will show the opponents what LFC stands for.
Come one boys prove me right. Go on the pitch with your hearts and demolish the opposition
HAVE FAITH!
You clearly didn't see the boys when they arrived home very late on Friday.
If you are expecting a positive reaction you will be very disappointed.
16 Feb 2013 13:15:33
been an lfc fan for 27 years now but only been to anfield twice wixh really is embarassing. got offered tickets for the zenit game next week. been told there restricted or severly restricted viewing seats. i'd love to watch the game but is it worth the gamble. £37 pounds a ticket. any info would be great.
Hi mate, if you go on the lfc official website there are still tickets for sale. If you want more 2 seated together you'll probably only have a choice of restricted views left. However you can use the interactive stadium map/plan to see where tickets are available and what the view is like from them. Don't buy 3rd party, lots of tickets still available from official site.
16 Feb 2013 13:12:50
Had enough of sprinting through whining posts now. If I read them for too long then depression starts to set in - it's bad enough losing at the weekend but then having to read through vegetable drivel makes it worse. Back for the transfer gossip nearer the summer.
Fowler99
Thank god for that, take the other lemmings with you.
Ozone
Dont forget to take those who hear nothing or see nothing and who think BR is wonderful
16 Feb 2013 13:12:34
This passing style BR has brought is so slow and boring. There's no urgency with the players. If we was passing in and around the opposite 18 yard box like Barca it would be ok but we are just knocking it about in front of their midfield clueless. The season has been utter carp and if we lose against Swansea the manager has to be sacked on the spot
16 Feb 2013 13:05:05
Suarez beware. As Torres found out fans at club higher placed clubs are less forgiving. Missed chances in Milan or Madrid are more damaging and not toll orated. His misses are costing us the chance of a top 4 finish but that was only ever a pipe dream really.
At a team who are actually consistent participants in the C L those same misses would be really damaging and magnified more.
At Anfield based purely on him being the only regular scorer his forgiven for not making more of his chances.
In CL teams there would be more competition and his place would be under threat more.
Is Jose morinuo an option for us next season if Rodgers season falls away from here on? {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about Mourinho managing Liverpool next season.}
I can`t even consider losing suarez, we have sold great players before but have always been in a position to replace them,
i admit I was gutted when torres went but he was soon forgotten as we had suarez,
we could never replace him, no CL, no Europe at all, no money,
in the last 20 years he is one of the LFC greats in the short time he`s been here and in the top 10 best players in the world
16 Feb 2013 13:00:24
People saying SACK RODGERS!
Yh its frustrating BUT it ain't ALL his fault.
And anyway who would replace him?
Rafa?Yes Rafa the guy who began this!
The one who sold Alonso.
Bought guys like aquilani
Dropped us to 7th.
The guy who joined Inter who just won the Treble and were European Champs under Mourinho just before and he completely destroyed the team! Dropped them to midtable.
You think there is a reason why he never had a job for like 2 years since Inter?
Now at Chelsea he has the worst record for a manager under Abramovich.
So NO!
Yes he did some great things! Istanbul 05! But he made some AWFUL decisions too.
Wether his negative tactics or rotation or whatever
I think we should not go back to Rafa.
Back Rodgers.
I'm not just saying becuz I back him but becuz who will you replace him with?
Mourinho? LOL! He'll laugh in our face!
Ancelloti? Really? Guys being linked to better teams!
Guys like Klopp already rejected us.
Oh is it Roberto Martinez that you want!
Yh maybe Kenny shouldv got another chance BUT the fact is we have Rodgers NOW!
And if we sack him were taking another 2 steps back.
We shouldn't make the same mistake twice.
I hope he ands FSG adds another coach or some sort of staff member though.
Give him time and support so he can atleast build something.
F5
16 Feb 2013 15:48:38
even if BR is given 25 years and 200 million. he will nt even come close to rafa benitez.
Liverpool will never beat chelsea, city, arsenal, UTD, spurs. and everton. home and away like rafa did.
simple as that.
y you did not gave rafa one more season to prove.
ypu are the worst Liverpool fan I have ever come across.
rafa benitez is awarded with a spanish league title with valenica. a cl. medal with Liverpool. and a fa cup with Liverpool.
which BR will never match in his whole life.
16 Feb 2013 12:56:08
There has been a post put up by Zeus-Katz earlier. Special mention to it. Brilliant post. That guy is 19. But he is afraid to get into debate because of abuse that follows up by Season ticket holders, LFC followers since birth of Guaranga, Pro and coaches etc who do not agree with his views. So Zeus mate, buck up. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and you are not alone!. If there is BR OUT Brigade then there is TRUST BR Brigade as well. And this is not about having BR tinted glasses, its about having RED tinted glasses and I am proud to be wearing one.
1) I read someone mentioned LFC always dominated teams. Errrr. Where were you last season post X-Mas? or Rafa's Last season. or Hodgson Nightmare start.
2) Except 1st Game Vs West Brom and Vs Arsenal at Anfield. Do anybody remember a game whole season where we have been dominated by rival team. NO. We have been bullied, frustrated, lost, robbed but not been dominated.
3) BR was short of strikers since start of season and that was reflected in our performances before Jan transfer window. He signed Sturridge on 1st day of transfer window to show urgency and since then our performance has zoomed and everybody was ecstatic about our chances of getting 4th. Now last 2 games Sturridge has not been able to play and we have squandered chances left, right and center. isn't it glaringly obvious but NO its BR fault that DS got a knock and has been cup tied.
4) Aren't we excited to see the blueprint of our team and hopeful about additions that can happen in summer. doesn't Coutinho, Sturridge, Assaidi, suarez, Allen ( I know, I know) on team sheet etc brings sort of excitement. Yes.
5) Tiki-taka or Tippy-Tappy whatever you want to say takes time to implement and first thing its not boring!. Barca/Swansea/Arsenal are not boring. Adapting to new style takes time. Playing in small triangles, making yourself available in space, matching wavelengths with fellow players, higher pressing, collective defending etc takes much more than a season or 2-3 transfer windows. Everybody nowadays talks of Barca when football is concerned anywhere but nobody knows how much time, patience and hardwork has gone behind it.
6) I have also read people slating BR that he want players to suit his style but a good manager is one who changes playing style as per the players available. Are you guys NUTS!. A good manager is one who has a specific system to play and the puts players in the system not that he changes system for specific players. Have you ever thought why Man United has never suffered ( may have blipped) even when their star players have left because they have a specific system and style of play. They never change it for Ronaldo, Rooney or RVP. They just buy players who suit their system. But this was not achieved overnight and not over a single season. It took them a very substantial time and patience.
7) As correctly reminded, BR is only 39. He will make some mistakes during this journey of Liverpool Career but important is to learn from mistakes.
Lets do what we are supposed to. SUPPORT.
Indian with Red Heart
Brilliant post mate.
derryred
Great post Indian. Far too much common sense in there for most of the haters to cope with. But no doubt a few will try. YNWA
Bigbadben
16 Feb 2013 16:12:38
Indian with red heart you need to learn a lot of things about footy before writing tosh.
A good manager is who gets best out of his players not force them to play a systeam which is coasting the club 3 points
United never played any systeam they just play nomal footy with 4-4-2 which is old school.
Before united were dominating opposition with the likes of keane, younger scholes etc etc once they lost their players for various reasons and an old scholes who can't play for 90 minutes fergie straight away changed their style to suit his current players, united now play counter attacking style to hide their weakneses in midfield.
United have one of the weakest midfield not only in europe but in years. What fergie do change style to play footy to his players strength and reap rewards rather then force his players to play a particular systeam and expose their weaknesses.
This is what good manger does and that's why he is so successful even the likes of barca don't play rigid 4-3-3
Swansea league cup, Oldham FA Cup, West Brom away, Arsenal home, Stoke away, Spurs first half away, West Ham untill Diame went off away, Villa home, West Brom home. Have a word with yourself, it's appalling.
£55 mill net spent, 7 players in and only utilising 1. Agger and skirtle shot of confidence, Sterling regressing, Suso? Wheres he gone. Carra had enough so he's decided to retire. The
only time we perform is when we revert to 442 with 2 up top and the players adapt to the natural flow of the game.
Mark my words Rodgers will prove to be he worst LFC appointment in history. He's a fraud.
Ozone
16 Feb 2013 12:50:25
Might be bucking a trend here, but I remain reasonably positive. From the quotes in the press this morning, BR has identified the main weakness - mentally weak players. We need 'men', who will stand up and play regardless of game situations, managers, or any behind the scenes rubbish. I agree 100%. We have been lacking that since 2009 - regardless of who the manager was.
And please get off FSG's backs - this club has been chronically mismanaged for 25 years. As far as I can see, they are working on improving all aspects of the club on and off the pitch (including the academy, revenue streams, stadium), so that we can begin to compete properly with the biggest sides in Europe - rather than just endlessly chopping managers, borrowing to fund overhaul after overhaul, crossing fingers, and assuming that it will happen one day 'because we are Liverpool'. We've tried that, and it doesn't work.
We all get frustrated - I do, enormously, but bigger picture.
You need skilful clever players mixed in with a couple of workhorses to have a really competive side at top4 level.
We have workhorses mixed in with a couple of skilful clever players.
Now that Sturridge is fit, Coutinho is available, Suso is clever and skilful and Luis Suarez is brilliant. Can we have them all in the starting line tomorrow?
As your fond of saying Brendan " Be Brave" with your selection.
kidmillions
Surely he should've thought of this before wasting £55 mill.
Ozone
16 Feb 2013 12:47:20
Is anyone confident about the Swansea game tomorrow?
The Juicer
I bet Swansea are.
Simon
Sorry, but it's 2-0 to Swansea, our lads are knackered!
I predict we will be done 2-0 by Swansea.
Their manager has come in and worked with the squad he has, bought a few players who have at least trebled their value and is getting results. No transition period, no major rebuilding work yet been in the same length of time as Rodgers and is above us in the league.
Picked the wrong manager didn't we!
16 Feb 2013 12:35:34
I know its been a frustrating week. But I am a big fan of Brendan Rodgers. I also believe at a club like Liverpool the most important thing that we have not had for a long time is stability.
Stability is the only way we will move forward as a club. I am going tomorrow and I believe a win can move us forward to a good season end. I believe that we have been chopping and changing for too long now. We appointed Rodgers for the right reason so should be backed and given time. Stability is a massive thing and badly what our football club needs.
Mighty reds
Well said!
Jarakeda
16 Feb 2013 13:25:29
Mighty reds that's the difference you are Rodgers fan where we are LIVERPOOL FC fans and always have been.
Rodgers is pants and needs to go before he continues wasting more money in hasbeens.
How naughty I am for backing our manager. Silly me.
Mighty reds
Wasting money on hasbeens?
Thats probably the single most moronic statement posted on here in a week of moronic statements. Pretty good achievement son. Even the most ardent anti BR haters would have to agree.
Bigbadben
16 Feb 2013 12:27:50
It is time for Rodgers to go.
Do you remember a few weeks back he was talking about 2nd place.
The rate he is going it will be second from bottom.
How can a defence that was good under Dalglish suddenly look bad and the central defenders come in for criticism?
It is because the manager is poor.
He should finish his apprenticeship in League One before thinking about stepping up.
He talks like a salesman.
It is time for Rodgers to go. Apoint an interim manager. There won't be much left of the season after 21st February.
FSG : No comment!
Mint
I think you forgot how bad our attack was under Dalglish. Rodgers needs time.
Mighty reds
Our Attack under Kenny was not that bad
Admittedly it could have been better
But with 30 odd shots hitting woodwork
Thats a factor that needs to be considered
Don't forget the Suarez bans, Stevie Lucas and Andy all missed time with injuries too.
16 Feb 2013 12:25:17
A comment made by the commentator at the end of the game thursday made me laugh. He said Liverpool needed the famous 12th man, which is the crowd at anfield for the return leg. I thought "HAVE YOU BEEN TO ANFIELD LATELY, IT IS LIKE A MORGUE"
Fforestfach red
16 Feb 2013 12:09:06
I think the next three games should decide Rodgers fate:
Swansea
Zenit
Wigan
Swansea is a good test for rodgers reign:
We haven't won a game agaisnt a team in the top team this season.
Weve already been beaten by Swansea, they're a smaller team but pose a big threat and given the fact they're rodgers formers employers there should be an extra incentive.
Zenit Solid team, good competition to win regardless of comparison to champions league and with two goals to overcome would be a good indication of LFC's determination under rodgers.
Wigan a relegation battler a must win game and a team we should beat without any problems if were going to make it into europa
In the mean time rodgers and the owners will get my full support however we should resent no fan for voicing their opinion good or bad before and after the next 3 games.
16 Feb 2013 11:40:02
I wish the eds would show some faith and support the fans.
We are fans in transition. We have had a lot of bad decisions and luck this season.
We are learning to deal with mediocrity but we are relatively inexperienced in it.
We are trying our best.
We need time from the eds and support. We also need more money as well as this would make us better fans.
After the zenit game it was near perfect support from the fans.
Marcus Aurelius
16 Feb 2013 14:26:15
The most entertaining post I've read in a while.
16 Feb 2013 11:36:38
I wanted to ask what people thought about one aspect of BR's style of passing out from the back, and 'resting on the ball'.
From watching on TV, which I admit doesn't give the full view at all, I've noticed that quite often there will be more opposition players than lfc players closing the ball down in our own half when we are trying to pass it out.
Its as if all the PL teams are aware that if they press high and get numbers close to the ball, they can often win it back because we are not getting enough players available in that area to pass it out, and we eventually make a mistake and give away possession in dangerous areas.
Its seems to be the same for throw-ins in our own half- if we had more players making themselves available in that area near the ball, surely we'd be more successful at getting the ball out of our half?
I'm no expert, I never even played the game at amateur level, but it's something that's struck me a few times now and I wondered if its happening because the team are trying to achieve something else I don't realise, and the side-effect is that we have fewer players moving quickly to support the player with the ball?
Otherwise, surely BR would have spotted this happening and got the players to shift themselves quicker to support the player on the ball, instead of jogging slowly forwards 40 yards away, waiting for whatever happens to the ball?
Have other people noticed a lack of support for the man with the ball, when we are being pressed in our own half?
That's a really good point OP. The problem is the players, their understanding of the game and the decisions they make.
What should happen when the ball is in defence is that the DM should show for the ball with the aim of getting turned in order to play forward. If he can't turn due to pressure he plays it back and one of the AM drops to do the same job and DM moves forward to rotate the midfield trio back into position. When the opposition pressure is high up the pitch the CB should be looking for the AM or to go longer over the top of the pressing not passing to the DM. At the moment we are not seeing the AM dropping quickly enough to provide an option and the awareness of when to go long is not there so we keep playing suicide passes into the DM that are intercepted, lost in possession or passed back to CB allowing the pressure to move up onto the defence and giving no option at all. We are just not picking up the signs early enough that possession at the back will cause a problem. Rodgers has tried to improve this with dropping 2 into DM recently but it's not people in the position it's what they do in that position and as you saybwhat others do to support them that is the problem.
Simon
Cheers mate, nice to know its not just me imagining it.
Rodgers has a theory based on resting on the ball, meaning basically knock it around and frustrate/tire the opposition.
Part of the problem is I think the players are taking the 'resting' part a bit too literally.
You surely have to keep moving almost as much as the team who are pressing you, in order to give the man with the ball another passing option.
It's fine thinking you can keep the ball moving, suck the opposition into your half and then hit them on the counter- but its daft to think you can take it easy in any sense when you have the ball.
I think that whole 'resting' idea may be a fundamental flaw in Rodgers theory. The very word gives the impression of players being able to relax a bit, and that is not possible with the speed of pressing you get from PL teams.
16 Feb 2013 11:32:25
Now I am really confused, first BR and FSG want to buy players based on their youth policy, which means most of these players would be young and partially inexperienced, but then BR blames youth and inexperience for our current lack of form, so in other words you know that you need older experienced players but yet you still want to stick to the same youth policy.
So what's the point of buying young inexperienced if you clearly know that it is going to back fire.
We don't have the money to buy 6 or 7 quality first teamers in one summer so we have a plan over a few windows. If you buy a 28 year old at their peak in window 1 for a lot of money and it takes a further 2 years to get in enough quality to get a fully functioning squad the players you bought in window one are getting on and you need to spend again to replace them. Buy 22 yr olds in window one and in 2 years they are 24 and hitting their best years when the full squad plan begins to come together and your functioning team has 5 yrs of playing together ahead of them to deliver on the investment you have made.
This is my reading of what is happening at the club.
Simon
16 Feb 2013 11:18:41
I've stayed fairly quiet about it, and I try to stay positive but Rodgers is beginning to annoy me. All this talk of
"rebuilding" and "we're in a period of transition" is absolute rubbish.
What? So other teams don't continuously replenish their ranks?
Every team has to constantly evolve, Liverpool are no different and it
shouldn't be used as an excuse to accept mediocrity.
2 cup finals and some silverware last season suggests to me we weren't too far away.
Losing Lucas was a big blow, followed by Suarez' 9 game ban and
Gerrard was stop / start all season with niggling injuries. Add to
that some terrible luck hitting the woodwork, missing pens and dodgy
decisions - I really felt that this season would see us press on and
make our mark on the league.
But suddenly, we're talking about rebuilding, saying top 6 would be a
good season!
Rodgers is a great PR man who says what the owners
want to hear, but all I hear is managment speak and cliché's.
And it's becomming increasingly evident that his approach, his
"footballing philosophy" comes with a side order of naivety and
stubborness.
I'm not advocating his sacking, and think he may eventually
be a big success for Liverpool, I'm just sick of all the excuses.
We weren't far away under Dalglish. We had stability and a great
togetherness. We won a trophy in his first full season back in charge
and the atmosphere at games was electric. Seems like a long time ago
now!
And as his son recently said, you can't show your grandkids Opta stats.
Joe
I agree that BRs talk is becomming too much and predictable. He will hopefully become a good manager and bring success but it clearly a long way off. I also have believed that Kenny should have been given another season.
We were miles away under KK. He nearly ruined the club with overspending and outdated tactics etc.
Spent way too much money on ordinary squad players, not world class 1st team players.
The football was dire to watch (admittedly better the under Woy).
It will come together under BR it will just take time.
I remember when Rafa took over and we adopted zonal marking. For ages nearly everyone was moaning and complaining about it. However, after a while (through training and a few new additions) it clicked and we had probably the best defence for about 3 years in a row.
The trophy & finals were great but the league form after xmas was as bad as I can remember and I remember as far back as Kenny playing if anyone's asking.
his last 19 league games in charge read LOST 11, WON 5, DREW 3. And one of these wins was against Chelsea's reserves at Anfield due to their run in the champions league as well.
We literally scraped through the Carling Cup Final (i was there, paid £300 for the privilege) and in the F. A Cup Final KD tactically blew it by dropping Andy Carroll who had finally found his form for LFC and had a history of dominating John Terry in games.
If that is perceived as not far away then i'm a bit confused.
Maybe the problem isn't the manager like everyone on here always like to suggest.
Maybe the mentality of the exisiting core of players that has let down Benitez, Hodgson, Dalglish and also Rodgers every other game this season just isn't right.
We believe as fans that on paper and on their day they're as good as anyone but the fact is they continue to have the ability to under achieve week in week out.
What I will add to the argument is that the loss of Sturridge has affected the balance, confidence and tempo of the team, would totally expect a different tempo tomorrow.
here's my take on where we're at.
The reality is there for all to see, last season KD'S team couldn't score in a brothel. This year LFC look like they need a defensive reshuffle to balance BR'S system.
A colossus vocal defender, a consistant left full back, a back up DM, another striker to the squad and maybe in our dreams a Christian Eriksen in the hole.
Sacking Rodgers isn't going to fix these problems, a new manager is going to come in and see the same gaps and problems and ask for the same players to be found.
Rodgers said it'd take maybe 3 transfer windows before january just gone arrived. looking at what is needed, we can't argue that he's far from wrong.
It will take time, I hope he's given it.
s. p
We are always going to be in position of transition
UNTIL
We get a big name manager who the players and fans can respect
We the Fans accept the new man won't get immediate success
Football philosophies are dumped
Tiki Taki et al
The new manager is flexible is his approach to the game no one size fits all BR refuses to accept this point
The owners stop listening to their consultants and apppoint a DoF. Maybe its a bit paranoid but I find it strange that Michael L. was an FSG consultant last year and he immediately replaced Rodgers at Swansea.
We stop Fooling ourselves about our position in the EPL and accept how far we have fallen and realize the amount of work and time its going to take to get back to top 4. Shorts are only going to prolong our time in the EPL wilderness
We stop over-rating our academy and realize that the youngsters are part of the solution not the total solution to bring LFC back to the top,
FSG stop spending money on players but set up a committee of 3 One of which is the LFC manager, the other the DoF and the third a financial member of the board to vet transfer targets as to whether or not the deal makes foootball and financial sense, a majority vote being needed to sign the player and any deal that's looks really bad to be referred to FSG for further discussion especially in cases of a split decision, in this case video conferencing to be used so that deals are not slowed down.
Island Nation
16 Feb 2013 10:57:42
Whats happend to rumours {Ed002's Note - Nobody seems to have any interest in transfers any more.}
Transfer window just finished surely this happens every year untill the new transfer window dawns?
16 Feb 2013 11:35:12
Liverpool fans are scared even thinking about players now after the way Rodgers and kenny wasted the money, Liverpool fans have completely lost confidence and faith in rodgers to buy right players.
The club is in Turmoil
What's the chances of getting Sneijder in the summer?
16 Feb 2013 10:43:10
I have supported Liverpool since 1977, the first game I saw was the Fa cup final against United and have never seen us miss more chances.
I have seen us create less chances, I even remember period where we hardly created any but I never ever remember us missing so many clear cut chances.
There are many things a manager can influence during a game but how can he be held responsible for his star striker missing the target from 6 yards.
Sturridge is the key now, he takes the pressure of Suarez to score the more simple goals which look easy but obviously require a certain type of ability he lacks. Those chances are so counter productive if missed, it let's the opponent of the hook, restores their coincidence in getting something from a game and means our defence has to be that much more concerned about conceding a goal.
The longer the game goes on at 0-0 the more we push up for a goal and the chance of a breakaway goal or a set piece costing us the game increases.
The whole thing is a vicious circle that stems from poor finishing.
Just one example of were Rodgers got it wrong the other night is.
Suarez screwed a shot just wide of the post, he had no one up with him, if he did he could have squared it, which he's so aware he would have done and even if he didn't it was one of those shots that went slowly past the far post and is often put away by an on rushing forward such as BORINI.
I think Rodgers should be given at least another season but he's not above criticism. He should have played Borini to at least take the pressure off our star man Suarez.
kidmillions
But Suarez wouldn't have squared it. You know that, I know that, evetyone knows that. Suarez should have bagged a few goals but didn't.
The game should have been won by half time. Suarez was poor and that is not BR's fault.
Tristan
Agree with you there kid millions, borini should be playing. Downing and Henderson and Sterling have been pretty good over the season but they don't think like forwards so while they might play in forward positions they still think like midfielders/winger.
Having borini on would have given us another player making runs like a forward looking to snatch rebounds and loose balls in the box.
It's no coincidence that when we have Sturridge on, who does think like a forward then we score more goals.
We might be set up in a 433 but the mentality and positional sense of the players on the pitch make it a 451
Nevada
16 Feb 2013 13:13:53
@kidmillions, you're right about Borini. What is the point of being Sturridge's ready made replacement if he's not getting the opportunity. I would not be surprised that he may be back out the door in the summer.
Starting to think Rodgers has seen him alongside players of Gerrard, Suarez, Sturridge and co and realised his talent just isn't there at the top end.
Maybe i'm wrong? but not playing with Sturridge unavailable is ripping his confidence to shreds too.
16 Feb 2013 13:39:29
Borini hasn't been playing well since his return from injury though.
So if he'd started and had a bad game, surely he'd be slagged off for that?
I don't personally think Borini would have affected the outcome of the game, and a really sloppy 5 minutes cost us that game. It's not like we were battered from the first to the last, lucky to escape at 2-nil.
WelshBoyDave
One thing I have noticed about borini though is that his movement is actually up there with the likes of hernandez (man united), a classic example was young boys away when he drew the defender away for jonjo to smash in, I think if borini was actually given a run of games he could show what he could do, maybe he's not scoring but he is assisting in ways people are missing, also, has he ever actually been given the role of striker? which is his best position, not out wide!
I totally agree. The second half against united we had borini, Suarez and Sturridge playing upfront and it looked very promising. We battered them, you could see them praying for the whistle. Borini, assaidi, even Enrique gives more than downing on the wing IMO. At the very least those 3 players offer more pace than downing who has 1 goal in the league!
-Red American
Exactly what Nevada said, if the ball comes in from the left Downing should be in position or at least busting a gut to get minimum as far in the box as the back post.
But where is he when play develops? Still standing out wide, same for Sterling.
kidmillions
16 Feb 2013 10:25:58
Everyone is blaming BR. Everyone says that if do not qualify for CL Suarez will leave the club. My opinion is that if suarez want and the others want CL football they have to work for it, Fire on target stop been selfish and perform as a team not as individuals. BR is doing the best he can. Yes they may overpaid for players but do not forget the LFC did not play CL football for years and to convince player to sign for a club with our status is very hart. That is why they overpay for players. There is no other way to convince them to joint a club with our recent football history.
As fans and supporters to this football club we have to support the manager, show some faith in him and give some newcomers time to gel. ( Take Lucas example). Borini may come good after some game time, give the boy a chance. So are the others.
SUPPORT THE CLUB
alex7777
16 Feb 2013 10:42:24
Alex777 your spot on we should support rodgers wasting money, we should support mediocrity, we should support inexperience manager to build our club, we should support blindly even the most fickle fan can see the problem
Yes let's all support everything whether bad or good just support
But hark does anyone see a problem there?
16 Feb 2013 10:09:57
If I was a player and so happend to be reading this page it would shatter what ever bit of confiance I had players are not machines they are people like you an me they make mistakes like every one some days at work things don't go right for me but I try to sort it out and I belive the players and brendan rodgers are going the right way about it brendan said at the verry start its was not going to be easy and that's true because every time we improve our WEEK team every other team improves there's witch makes brendan job that we bit harder he can't make mistakes because if he dose it the fans want him out the players like stevie and others heads go down that's the problem with this club and fans last 10-15 years no self believe all finger pointing its your fault its our fault ist the owners fault thers a old saying something about the hand that feeds you at the end of the day we all want the same thing Liverpool to win but as brendan rodgers said its all part of the dance to get were we want to be its going to be slow but good things come to those who wait I for one am willing to wait and give him and fsg time because we are going the right way slow it may be but its looking a lot better than 5-10 -15 years ago that's for sure as I always say iam Liverpool till I die
red rrab
I could tell Messi he was sheep before and after every game? It still wouldn't stop him.
Ronaldo gets constant abuse, doesn't stop him.
If you've played football at a county com level or even sunday league level.
You get lads on the line right close telling you your sheep and all sorts of abuse, it will only get to you if your not good enough.
Most good players like to show how good they are especially if you give them stick.
They give one another constant stick in training
kidmillions
If you were a player reading this page whilst picking up 30 grand plus a week then you deserve all the stick you read.
Players under performing as badly as ours are should not be on message boards, they should be on the training pitch sorting themselves out.
8 years so we were champions of Europe.
Are you saying things are looking a lot better now?
Have we started signing Swansea's history as well as their players?
16 Feb 2013 11:13:18
Why are they called 'professional' when they are only so highly paid to make stupid mistakes all of the time?
I agree with some fans we needed time after all we was in a hell of a mess but now with the future ground development & youth levels looking good with some good talented players. rogers just needs time, he has also stated that he need a few transfer windows to shape the team. my concern is the back 4 for next season, we need a leader there!
16 Feb 2013 09:55:33
The lfc fans are plastic, where is your passion, where is your drive, you just accept bull5hit from BR, you want your team to win but you show no ambition when the manager continues to cover his and his teams frailties up,
This Sunday grow some ball5 and put the pressure on BR, show him at Anfield that we demand proper progress,
Yes we knew this season would be a rebuilding season but does it mean we have to accept crap like this.
Those blind fans that sit back and accept this sicken me.
You say you love this club, then fight for it, make your voices heard, stand up and be counted, let the owners know that we won't accept this mediocrity.
YNWALS7
Fans like you sicken me. What has BR done wrong? Have you not realised if not from individual mistakes we would have atleast another 9 points and some off the top teams. How would putting more pressure on players and the manager help us re build?
Londored
Whipping BR won't make the team any better!
We are playing to BR's standard
What more do you want of him?
ITs not going to get any better as Bugs would say
That's all folks!
Londonred
Managers get employed or sacked based on results. He picks the players, formation, tactics etc. The buck stops with him.
The Irish Rover
If the manager is not responsible for player performances then why have a manager at all then? Isn't the manager the one that picks the teams, dictates the formation and player positions, doesn't the manager decides on the style of play? Doesn't all of these criteria determine the result of the game? If players are not delivering, who needs to get the best out of them? The manager, so if there is any blame to be directed it can and only should be first directed to the manager.
No one can be entirely happy with the way the season has gone up to now. Rodgers is not above criticism but to start shouting get rid is in my opinion a bit hasty.
Notice how I said "Up to now. "
Things can change very quickly in football, we might yet turn the Zenit tie around, even if we don't, we could go on a good run in the league from now till the end of the season. We will have Sturridge, Coutinho, Assaidi possibly Kelly as extra's to the squad that we didn't have before xmas.
Then in the summer with the sale of Carroll and possibly a couple more, we may bring in a couple more exciting forward players.
Let's just wait and see.
kidmillions
16 Feb 2013 11:47:02
Kidmillions mate are you going to trust rodgers to spend more money, let's be honest mate he has spent 60m+ on hasbeens only sturidge is starter I'm afraid more money will be wasted and more damage will be done to our club.
Sack Rodgers or bring someone who can help him we can't continue wasting more money on average players especially when we have financial problems!
The manager is responsible for tactics but what can he do about individual mistakes? He ain't a wizard he can't make suarez score them clean cut goals or make reina stay in goal
Londonred
Irish Rover:
If the Buck stops with the manager then why did you defend our league performances and make excuses under dalglish?
You can't make excuses up for one and condemn the other.
I wanted Kenny to succeed because of who he is and what he stands for at our club. I won't even try to deny that. He rightly got the sack for 2 reasons if you like. Yet I will still maintain that his team would have been better this season. We will never know.
The Irish Rover
Dont think Kenny rightly got the sack
If KEnny had not supported Suarez as he did and suarez left KEnny would be blamed for it.
Kenny's history in football has always been support your player no matter what and he did. You know YNWA Kenny embodies that.
As for finished 8th in the league it was obvious we neeeded a striker in the 2012 January window and FSG refusal to sanction such was Kenny Epitath I knew after that he would be dismissed
However Kenny should have been allowed stay and continue his work.
Liberias31
16 Feb 2013 09:55:00
hey lfc fans
i am a fan of rodgers believe it or not. I think the way he is as a manager is good.
i just feel Liverpool deserve a manager who knows how to win championships just like we attracted benitez that time I feel we should go for top managers who have the durability and experience and that KILLER INSTINCT WEEK IN WEEK OUT MENTALITY.
and I feel that if you want to break the bank account. then do it for that type of manager. why not its a big club. it can still attract good players.
i believe this 1 THING is the reason why we struggle. if we just do that. I think Liverpool fortunes can start to become good.
in my opinion I think the owners are wasting time. just go for that 1 manager and back him with funds. and then let him do his work for a few seasons. I just think rodgers isn't in that manager calibre I mean. no offence to him
what do you think eds and other fans.
red lobster
16 Feb 2013 09:20:43
A lot of people say we've been "in transition" for "so long" or for "over 20 years".
I'd dispute that. I'd say the transition began when Rafa started breaking his team up. Basically when Alonso and Hyypia left.
God how we miss those 2, but also Mascherano, the good Torres and Finnan also.
I think the rebuild needs an experienced manager. You can't have a manager still wet behind the ears trying to rebuild LFC. It's too big a job. We all knew it, all Brendan's mates (Desailly and Mourinho) knew it and probably Brendan knew it when he first turned the job down.
But the original plan was not to leave it to an inexperienced manager, FSG wanted a D of F. We heard names like Cryuff and Van Gaal and we ended up with no-one.
FSG should have stuck to the plan and said to Rodgers it's our way or no way. Instead they were fooled by the dossier and bottled it after everyone turned them down.
What a shame they didn't appoint someone as D of FSG and give Clarke a chance!
Now most top managers wouldn't touch the job. They know how big and how difficult it is.
That's why I'd go for Ancelloti if he's available or interested, or Rafa.
Rafa is a good manager, no-one can deny that, his record speaks for itself. He describes LFC as his job. He knows the premier league, he adores the club, he would not have mugs like Hicks and Gilette to deal with. He knows the set up. He knows Borrell etc. He knows most of our youth players.
Yes, he lost his way completely last time. But he's now refreshed and has his determination back.
I'd love to see one of these ex players as his number 2:
Hyypia (top class)
Carragher (LFC through and through)
Gary Mac (top pro)
Rafa brought in Mascherano and Torres under Hicks and Gillette. Imagine what he'll do with owners who back him with funds.
Rafa can rebuild us without a huge revolution. Rafa is hugely respected throughout Europe and can attract better players. Rafa has a track record of success. Rafa loves LFC. Rafa has unfinished business with Fergie.
As a certified Rafa-sceptic of the last few years, I've done a complete 180. I want him back, he's the best man who will take the job.
I would take Rafa back in a heart beat.
Rodgers has a good idea with the pass and move philosophy but you need more than the one approach to succeed in the premier league. I have seen nothing in BR approach from his time at Swansea, Reading or Watford that has shown anything special about his tactical ability to change matches.
Rafa has proven he can change systems to grind out wins against better opposition.
Rafa had to wheel and deal in the transfer market during his time at Anfield as funds where limited to circa £20m every season. It was a bit of a revolving door but I defy anyone to say he didn't improve the squad or increase the value of the team. Rodgers so far has wasted his funds on very average players.
I would love to see what Rafa could do with the support of FSG as opposed to the mess of Hicks & Gillett.
Rafa improved the back room set up bringing in the best staff from around the world, embracing youth development and fitness. All seem to have been undone in the last few years. But we still have some of the best youth coming through.
I think Rafa would get the best of the current squad, with a few changes.
Time to get over it and move on. Rafa is not our manager.
Mighty reds
Yeah why would anybody want a european cup, la liga winning manager. just stick with brendan. he will bring the good times back, as his impecable track record and eye for a player proves.
16 Feb 2013 08:56:28
I think dalglish. And rogers have over paid on players. Allen 15 million way too much borni 10million way to much. Sturriage 12 seems not so bad at the min. Carrol 35 mill downing 20. Henderson 16. Overall we spend over 100 million. Surely we should be higher in league. I know we sold players and got wages saved. But we are lfc. should be after top class players.
And if these managers paid any less for players
Would you be the first to say we are buying cheap players that are not LFC standard
There is a premium for British players like it or not.
It is much easier for swansea to unearth a gem than it is for LFC
We are all brilliant airchair managers
Allen 15 million still hasn't settled and was our best player at the start of the season. Borini young player been injured so how you can judge is beyond me. Sturridge been brilliant. Carrol I agree 35 million wtf. Henderson improving and you can see he puts 100% in so harsh to say about him. Downing yeah agree 20 million is ridiculous as well but the rest is harsh.
Londonred
16 Feb 2013 08:33:54
You can't judge (let alone write off) Brendan Rodgers until he's had five full transfer windows to put his stamp on the side. The team presently reflects anything but a player in the mould of a Brendan Rodgers team.
Yes the results have perhaps not been what we would have preferred, but still, it is important he is given the time to put his stamp on the side.
For those punting Benitez, he was good for us, yes, but Brendan Rodgers is better.
Now more than ever it is crucial we get behind the manager.
Irish, Waro, Pacman, Ozone etc?
Pull your fingers out now.
Roeloftse
16 Feb 2013 10:11:56
In what bases Rodgers should get 5 full transfers windows or your happy Rodgers wasting clubs money on overrated young players. Rodgers got 60m+ to improve us instead we have gone backwards and none of his signings are in our starting xi except sturridge, if rodgers continue wasting more money then the day is not far away from club going bankrupt!
Pulling fingers is not going to help anyone, is it?
Rodgers being saying it from the start is like the emperors new clothes everybody is seeing what's not there and when Waro and Ozone point it out nobody likes to admit they were fooled
Rodgers is all talk and no substance
Island Nation
I can see it now in 12 months time, 120 million spent on subs, bottom half of table and someone saying:
Nope, you can't judge him until he's had one more window.
Lol!
16 Feb 2013 08:17:11
I think everyone demanding yet more change should reflect on what could reasonably have been expected from this season?
It is no secret that part of the FSG financial plan is to lower our outgoings, players wages, as well as increase revenues. To achieve this they let a number of our more experienced higher earning players leave in both the summer and January windows and replaced them by investing heavily in young talented players and by promoting a number of our youth players. This is part of their LONG term plan to bring success back to our great club.
This the hardest part of the journey as our new look team suffers from inconsistency as part of their learning process but they have shown glimpses of what is to come if we give the boys and the plan some time.
If you can take on board that this is a transitional season could you seriously have expected us to challenge established heavily funded teams like United, City and Chelsea? Arsenal are in a fantastic financial position with a very talented team having followed a similar policy to the one we have just embarked on for years. Spurs have a very exciting young team but are two years ahead of us in their development again after undergoing a change in strategy themselves which allows them to compete with the Billionaires play things at the top of the table.
Therefore I feel that 6th this season would have been all any reasonable fan could have asked for and although we are slightly off that at present there is no reason why we can't achieve that with Sturridge in the side and Coutinho adding to the competition.
Brendan will have more to do in the summer. He will need to find a new dominant CB to replace our legendary number 23, a midfielder to give Lucas some competition and another forward who will provide 10-15 goals to assist Luis and Sturridge. He will also no doubt move on some of those players that have not made the grade and perhaps promote another few lads from the reserves, Jordan Ibe looks really special.
I know a lot has been said about Rome not being built in a day (loved the line about the Romans not over spending on the wrong type of concrete) but we need to give our new Manager, new team and our owners new approach time to work.
NR
Well Dalgilsh had one season and a net spend of 50 ish million and got sacked
Rodgers has spent a bit more so a reasonable expectation would be to improve on last season.
He has not improved. {Ed002's Note - The expectation of the owners, and what Rodgers sold them on, is Champions League. As has be explained, Dalglish was not simply sacked for the league position.}
How is success going to achived by cutting costs when Chelsea, united and Citeh can go out and buy the best off the shelf players from other clubs?
What you suggest is fantasy
LFC are not going to produce 20 world class footballers at the same time to play in the same team
Island Nation
Ed002 did the owners expect rodgers to get us in the champions league this season? {Ed002's Note - That has been the target since they arrived - this is the third season and the target for Rodgers is of course Champions League - as it was for Dalglish and Hodgson.}
We cannot compete financially with City, Chelsea and United, get used to it. But there is a way to compete on the pitch. Look how Dortmund have knocked Bayern off their perch by taking the same approach that we are now trying.
NR
Trying implies failure
There is an old saying trying is lying
We need not to try but to succeed
Can't be done under BR
16 Feb 2013 08:13:43
Whats the point in sticking by a young and upcoming manager after learning from hardships and gaining experience in how to deal with expectations of a club like Liverpool, only to give him the sack so he can apply all that he's learnt to another team and probably deal better with the weight of it all.
Yes, we aren't having a season to be proud of, but can anyone who wants Brendan out hand on heart say there has not been improvement in our style of play? Has there not been an improvement in the number of number of oppurtunities created, number of goals scored last season? We have destroyed Man City twice this year only to concede because of individual errors.
I would like to come top 4 too, and realistically 5th or 6th with only a couple points differencing us with the top 4 but whatever position we end up in, you can be sure Brendan and the team will be sittin down racking their brains out to evaluate what went wrong and how to solve it.
RedSox69
Did any of the Rodgers fans watch us play last season?
Not only did we destroy the likes if City, Chelsea, united, we also actually beat those teams.
WE HAVE NOT BEATEN A TOP 10 TEAM IN THE LEAGUE ALL SEASON!
Now to the last bastion of Rodgers-mania- our "style of play".
Do any of you appreciate that a team defends as well as attack? I would argue our attacking is not much different to last season, not 60 million pounds better anyway.
But our defence has been utter rubbish. Keegan and Ardiles proved that you don't win anything by all out attack. You have to know how to defend as a team.
Rodgers has got too much to learn for a top job like LFC. Send him back to Swansea to learn the basics.
16 Feb 2013 06:35:48
I hate it when we lose, I hate it when we draw, I vent my frustration towards the manager and individual players, but I still support the side whatever.
On reflection of the last few games and our season so far. we gave shown on our day we can compete with the best, we can on our day outplay the best. however we have also shown that our side can lose to anyone.
So this leads me to believe that BR has the skills to take us back to the top but lacks the players/money to do it.
BR is right when he says we lack the mentality to do it. How he solves this is down to him and his coaching.
IMO if we change the manager once again we will achieve nothing, I don't think BR should be in charge of buying players though and someone should be brought in (like a Comolli) as a specific role to identify the correct mentally/technical gifted people. BR should be given atleast another season and if he hasn't improved our inconsistent form then FSG would be justified in getting rid.
However I will continue to vent my anger at him and the side after bad defeats on this site as otherwise I have nowhere else to get it out :-)
I love it when we win, I love it when we win, but we never win at all
To change the situation and bring less recrimination
BR has to Gooooo!
So this leads me to believe that BR has the skills to take us back to the top but lacks the players/money to do it.
Sorry but I can't agree with any of that. He's spent more in terms of net than Kenny.
What it says to me is Brendan is not ready for this job. He lacks knowledge and experience. He is one dimensional.
16 Feb 2013 06:12:19
Ill make my point first; just like last season when many of the players let down King Kenny many of the players have let down Brendan this season
Please read to the end before replying
Was it BRs fault Suarez missed all those clear cut chances V Zenit?
Was it BRs fault Skrtel turned away from Hulks shot instead of blocking it?
Was it BRs fault Agger had his legs on backwards and let those two goals go in V West Brom?
Was it BRs fault Reina got bored and started doing the shuffle leaving his goal wide open for Arguero to equalize v man city?
Was it BRs fault Skrtel back passed tp Tevez for City to equalize earlier on in the season?
Was it BRs fault Suarez goal was disallowed VS Everton costing us all 3 points?
Was it BRs fault Enriques goal was disallowed V swansea costing us all 3 points?
Was it BRs fault that Agger went AWOL V west Brom at the start of the season and got sent off?
Was it BRs fault Shelvey got sent off V Man Utd?
I cam also remember (not sure which matches) 2 circumstances where players mistakes cost us the game those was Suarez losing the ball in the middle of the pitch which led to a goal v sum1 which cost us points and Gerrard doing the same thing V sum1 which costed us points
Also you should also take into certain factors like
Everton goal disallowed wrongly 2 points
Swansea goal disallowed wrongly 2 points
Reina howler v city 2 points
Skrtel howler v city 2 points
Thats atleast 8 points top of my head due to silly mistakes out of BRs control that would mean atleast 4 points away from top 4 if the players didn't do comedic errors
Im personally willing to give BR atleast the whome of next season b4 I be overly critical
He has made mistakes certainly, but he was Ryan Giggs' age when he got the job, at his age he is unfortunately goong to make mistakes and learn as he goes along
No manager is perfect and every manager has made poor signings in their career but BR is young and will grow into his role atleast I hope so and i'm willing to give him a fair amount of time
This is also not a competition between BR and KD so stop all the pointless comparisons. We have a young manager who deserve our support
YNWA
Most of your post concerns basic defending errors that were a lot less of a feature when Kenny and SC were at the helm of the good ship LFC
As for the strikers missing opptunities that has continued right through the last 3 managers and has not being addressed
BR must accept his responsibility and FSG must use the same yardstick that was applied to Kenny
Do you not think other teams and other managers have to deal with bad luck, wrong decisions, injuries and players making mistakes?
You can't gift Rodgers 8 points because of errors or luck. What about errors which have gone in his favour? The Suarez hand ball goal?
Had it not been for that we'd have drawn with MANSFIELD!
You can make excuses for any manager, but at the end of the day, they are responsible for results and the results have been a long way short of acceptable.
Brilliant post mate no one can say sh*t to this cause its true
Londonred
Mistakes happen to every team. not just Liverpool. Think how many howlers de gea has made for UTD this season.
The difference is they don't let that get them down, whilst our players fall to pieces (poor management).
If we are missing so many chances then we need to bring in more players that are clinical.
No one is 'unlucky' over the course of a season as statistically it stops becoming luck and just poor quality.
The key word here QUALITY; hulks goal against us was a moment of real quality to break the deadlock. What players apart from suarez do we have that can do that?
If BR had signed some quality during the summer then we wouldn't be left ruing this bad 'luck'.
Is BR to blame for player errors, off course not, but he is to blame for not addressing the following issues,
We can't seem to keep possession of the ball from our own throw ins, our corners are just not convincing, our break down play is almost non existent,
For a team that should be playing with majority of the possession we can't seem to penetrate teams with our hundreds of passes, this isn't kick ball, the possession is part of our defensive play, keeping the ball away from the opposition is a sure way of not conceding a goal, but where is the attacking play, there should be an end product to our possession,
When done pal too many fans on here blind to all your facts! I would think we have lost about 16 - 20 plus points. also to be honest we can`t attract very good player without champion league football, so its check mate!
16 Feb 2013 05:37:46
I believe it is clear that since FSG have taken over they have done a lot to help our great club. The problem has been who decides how their money has been spent. Over the last 2+ seasons over 160M has been spent and I believe it was spent on quantity and not quality. Having a better 1st team at the expense of some squad depth is highly preferable to me. IMO we should forget the europa and cups in order to rest key players (and give youngsters some run) and focus solely on the EPL with a strong first team. Buy only players that will improve the 1st team until we get back to Champions League and then work on depth and youth to secure the future.
For all of you saying you only want players that play for the shirt and not for money you are crazy. You would rather have LFC in the bottom half of the table with mostly mediocre players than be competing for the title and champions league with a few highly paid stars to help out Suarez, Sturridge, and Captain Fantastic? Challenge for titles again and the players will want to come.
The top teams all have more than 2 players who can win them a game (Mata/Hazard/Lampard/Ba - Aguero/Tevez/Silva/Toure - RVP/Rooney/Hernandez/Valencia/Nani (sometimes)). LFC just do not have the top quality to compete at the moment and squad depth will not get us back to the top. Buying 1 quality player for 25M with 110K a week is better than 2 depth players for 15M and 10M each making 60K a week!
LFC needs to start buying quality and not quantity even if it costs a little more in wages!
- US Army Red
Very true
But that goes against FSG policy
So what happens next?
16 Feb 2013 05:18:22
I was delighted when we appointed BR as our manager. I was overjoyed when we signed the 'welsh xavi' and Borini. I still believe that BR will get it right, but there comes a time when even the most patient supporters' faith is tested, and that's exactly what's happening right now. I cannot fathom why Allen has been so poor, Borini looks likely to be another Italian flop, Assaidi will be off in the summer.
Seems BR has lost faith in his own signings. Ed002 was right, the job came a couple of years too soon for BR. I sincerely hope the rumors of Carlo Ancelotti are true. We need someone with his experience and winning mentality to take the club forward. Too many amateur decisions have been made by the management, the prime reason why we sit in 9th place, and no hope of even challenging for second tier trophies. BR either needs help or replacing. As a Liverpool fan, its foolish to even think we could emulate whiskey nose's success with the mancs. The guy is a one-off. We need experience in the boardroom, enough of experimenting. Our time has to come now, as we are already miles off the top clubs in England. The owners have to be brave and make the right decisions in the summer.
Indian Buzzer
The Xavi from wales
Hmmmm
16 Feb 2013 04:43:34
last few games has been poor. but there's hope. ynwa
There is always hope
Even a prey animal surrounding by 20 lions has hope
But hope is a precious commodity that can amber in the darkest of days and flicker out
Are we now smouldering with hope for too long
When happens when the fire within dulls and becomes estinguished
16 Feb 2013 01:11:16
To the people who feel that we need to get rid of BR and FSG I would like you to explain what you honestly expected from LFC this season.
Bear in mind that we finished 8th last season and the table doesn't lie. FSG sanctioned 100m of player purchases under the previous managerial regime and the general perception is that it wasnt well spent therefore it is hardly a surprise that they have been a bit tighter in the last 2 windows.
If we finish in 7th this season then that is progress albeit slow but progress none the less and who really cares about the cups or the Europa league?
So again I ask you - what did you expect given the relatively low base (for LFC ) from where we started?
Jan
"the general perception is that it wasnt well spent"
Not enough time was given to bear the fruits of KEnny's labour
I expected improvement.
We have not improved, we have done worse in league cup, worse in FA cup against rubbish opponents in 3rd and 4th round, we have fewer points than ever at this stage in the premier league. Our previously rock solid defence look like lost school boys, our keeper has lost all confidence. We rely on one player to score, a player that was banned for a quarter of last season. We have failed to beat ANY decent teams this season.
We are NOT 7th. What makes you think we will? We could just as easily finish 14th.
We have spent 60 million pounds on players and not only are we going backwards, we're sinking!
I think my reasonable expectations are not being met!
'who really cares about the europa league'.
This is where our fans get it wrong. It's actually a real achievement to win this cup and something atm is far too good for us so I wish we'd stop looking down on it.
Abroad, the europa league is really highly valued and players are attracted to the teams that win these competitions.
Furthermore the prize money and television income etc from winning the competition is fairly healthy and would boost the summer transfer funds.
So don't just write this competition off
15 Feb 2013 22:22:30
Ed002 do you think pellegrini could be a possible option to manage us next season if rodgers is sacked at the end of the season? clearly must be a chance of him being sacked, after results and the ancelotti stuff {Ed002's Note - Why not just give the manager support whilst he is at the club.}
To Ed002:
The manager is damaging our club.
60 million pounds on poor players not good enough for 1st team or sicknotes.
Results have been embarrassing (Villa, Oldham, Mansfield, WBA x 2)
The defence has fallen apart.
Previous great players have lost all form and confidence.
The manager is making ludicrous statements : we could finish in the top 2 (said in December), Zenit was a near perfect away performance. If we finish above 8th that represents a fantastic achievement for us.
That's why I don't support him. He seems to be totally clueless.
{Ed002's Note - I would expect those supporters of Liverpool who go to the games and get behind the manager and the players hope you don't show up then.
Actually we will soon be opening an online store where you can by effigies of Liverpool owners, management, players and prospective players. You can then make the pilgrimage to Anfield where there will be ritual burnings at half time. We will also be selling some very high-end voodoo dolls with a set of silver-plated pins thrown in for good measure. If you buy the doll with the humongous ass, you know you have a Brendan Rodgers doll.}
Because ed I spend a lot of money watching Liverpool and if I think that rodgers is the wrong person and that pellegrini is the right person then I feel I have supported Liverpool for long enough to say it even when rodgers is in charge. All he does is make excuses and is turning us more and more into swansea everyday he is at the club
{Ed002's Note - Once the owners have been forced out by the fans no doubt there will be changes coming.}
Ed002 I am not criticising the owners, I feel sorry for them that their money is being wasted. But the only way it will stop being wasted is if they get a top level manager in eg pellegrini or ancelotti who will use the money properly and get the best out of our squad. I am not criticising the owners at all. {Ed002's Note - I have explained before that there are not endless amounts of money to throw at the team every year so if a new manager were to arrive he would have to work with the squad that is pretty much there right now.}
I get behind the team, not individuals.
16 Feb 2013 12:10:56
Ed2 mate if you listen to rodgers he wants more money to spend if owners give him more money and if he keeps wasting it then its whose fault because at one stage your saying there is no money at next stage rodgers keeps wasting it {Ed002's Note - My point is that the owners have put a great deal of money in to transfers and that will not continue at the level it has done. I don't know what Rodgers has said but if he want significantly more money everyone knows what he will need to do to obtain it.}
Ed002 that is fine by me, I think the squad is easily as good as arsenal, spurs everton etc we are just not being managed properly? plus in the summer we should raise at least some money from sales of carroll etc
16 Feb 2013 00:26:44
I put more passion into playing on fifa than Liverpool players do into a game when they are losing.
Anonymous woolback
16 Feb 2013 00:26:15
hi eds and fans, I have been reading a lot of the posts and lately they have been containing a lot of criticism towards the owners which I think is unfair. First of allthey have never shyed away from giving money to spend on players when needed. It is not their fault that Messi and co do not want to come and play for us. Second of all I do not see what wrong they have done, we are all human and make mistakes. They have rid us of our debts.
If you had a lot of money how much would you give away to buy certain things for your business every couple of months, money does not grow on trees.
please stop it with your unbacked criticism, it is not their fault when we do not win, let us not sound like children in kindergarten. Rome was not built in a day.
Yes it is painful to see lesser teams doing better, and it hurts to see lesser teams doing well in the transfer market, but that is what we have to take at the minute.
Even in Shankly's days we were not hot shots overnight it took time, and very few clubs had money back then. Plus people like Shankly do not come about everyday.
Be patient and supportive and give constructive criticism and STOP criticising the owners it is as if they are on the pitch playing.
hibsylfc
15 Feb 2013 23:19:31
Roy evens, Houiler and rafa all got at least 4 years all [to the best of my memory ]got 2nd place at one point, if buck has any chance needs time plus really think that 2nd can turn to 7th the next season as a manager tries to hard to make that final jump but ends up going backwards, this is when belief is truly needed as all the above got the sac after a poor year followed what seemed a good one. We can't put almost 1 billion in 4 years like city did so things have to take another course, one of which will be to rename anfield to help cover the hoped refurb, top 4 soon will happen but a tittle is 4 good seasons away. red2toe
16 Feb 2013 08:21:30
Mate you can't compare Buck to rafa or Houllier, they had worst team in their first season then buck, when we appointed houllier we didn't even have a proper training ground and didn't get 60M+ to spend but still was doing much, much beter then buck then he got sick and things stated going downwards we started finishing 5-6 in the table, then some how thompson guided us to champions league spot then we appointed rafa we just had owen and Gerrard as our attacking threat at the sametime gerrard and owen wanted to leave, owen went to madrid where rafa could convince gerrad to stay and give him chance again didn't have 60M to spend, he brought Alonso for 7. 5M and garcia 6. 5M from owen`transfer money and went to win champions league in his first season.
In benitez 6 years we qualified 5 times for champions league and failed to qualify 1 time at the sametime in his 6 years 4 times finished above arsenal.
Now we come to buck, buck situation is same like Hodgson and mind you he had more money to spend then hodgson when we sacked hodgson in 6 months we were lying 12th in league table and don't forget hodgson was giving chances to our youngsters in europa. If hodgson was undefendable then how come buck is defendable. Buck is no better then hodgson and needs to go as soon as possible, the job is very, very big for him, once a manager tries to give excuses after excuses and doesn't accept his mistakes or Waste 60M+ and still gives excuse then his time is over.
Roy Evans never finished outside of the top 4.
Rafa won a Champions league in his first season.
Do you really want to compare Rodgers to these 2 managers?
Kenny won the leagu cup in his first year and go to the final of the FA cup
What will BR do?
15 Feb 2013 23:10:46
Just a quick question to the Ed's or if anyone else can answer.
I am reading on here that our owners don't attend matches due to getting abuse from the fans. Is that really true?
If so, that's quite shameful on the fans part. If the owners were doing a Hicks & Gillette then fair enough. Again if true, what's the reason?
Crowman
The reason is obvious
We are not the powerhouse of the EPL