Liverpool Banter Archive February 16 2016

 

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16 Feb 2016 21:33:43
people can disagree its their right to but if they read the laws of the game they will see my previous posts were correct surely a local official could have told them that.

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16 Feb 2016 22:05:13
Quote these laws then and people will find that easier to accept than the word of a local official.

As far as I'm aware, in a shoot out, once the forward momentum of the ball ceases the ball is dead.

Happy to be proved wrong if you can link or quote the law.


16 Feb 2016 22:35:14
Ok I stand corrected, I've looked it up and the laws did indeed change after the rules were thought to be against the spirit of the game.
So now :
"however many combinations of goalpost, crossbar, goalkeeper's body parts etc. are involved, if the ball ends up in the goal because of the energy imparted onto it by the kicker's boot, a goal should be allowed. "

Well done hunter πŸ˜‰.


16 Feb 2016 21:32:17
Yo reds,

Just out of interest.

When it comes to Europe and matches that don't involve us do you support other EPL sides to kick on and have success or do you always find you want them to get knocked out?

I don't mean from the point of you that it's healthy for the EPL in general for English sides to do well. I mean purely gut feeling and I guess a sense of national pride/ support etc.

Myself, I find I can egg every side on except Man Utd. I can't get past it no matter what happens. I dislike them from the pit of my stomach ☺.

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16 Feb 2016 22:33:45
Smallsy, you seem to be apologetic about disliking Man United, don't be.


{Ed033's Note - For me, Man Utd feels different since A.F. left.

16 Feb 2016 23:02:43
Ahhh we love u too :)


16 Feb 2016 23:11:40
Ed033, not a lot!
Chris, let's not beat around the bush, we **** each other! Nothing wrong with that in my, and your book I reckon,


16 Feb 2016 23:27:33
I'll almost always want Man U to lose. The only exception would be if we were in a tight race with them or others for the title and them playing more games would be to our advantage. Same goes for Chelsea for that matter.


17 Feb 2016 00:23:28
I don't hate anyone mate. I'm happy go lucky me :)


16 Feb 2016 20:10:29
Ed02

There's a lot of reports online (Not Twitter) in the last few hrs
Regarding Granit Xhaka very close to signing a pre contract with us and supposedly to be announced before or after the game Thursday.

Is there any hint of truth in this as my understanding is he only recently signed a new contract with his current club?

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{Ed002's Note - It is not possible for a "pre-contract" to be signed by the player. It is illegal as he is contracted to another team and would result in a very lengthy ban for Liverpool. On the basis of that I would consider it touch unlikely.}

16 Feb 2016 20:46:13
Was thinking the same, but reports were everywhere I looked today hence why I asked.

Your a fountain of knowledge as always

Cheers

πŸ‘πŸ».


17 Feb 2016 00:13:22
Didnt matip sign a pre contract?


17 Feb 2016 00:57:23
Pre-contracts are allowed with other clubs if their existing contract is about to expire.


16 Feb 2016 20:17:48
Hello Eds and Reds
Just watching the CL. PSG vs Chelsea. Not directly Liverpool related but something we should be thinking off.
We need a player in the mold of Verratti. A perfect playmaker who makes things happen. Brilliant.

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{Ed001's Note - someone like Kovacic? I know you don't rate him though.....}

16 Feb 2016 20:24:44
I am going to change my username to KOVACIC soon. 😎😎😎.


16 Feb 2016 20:38:43
It's sad you've had like 20 users already and we can always tell its you lol.


16 Feb 2016 20:50:26
Verratti is awesome. Absolute class.


16 Feb 2016 22:29:16
Don't give it away, I love guessing who your going to be next.


17 Feb 2016 00:09:11
Why does he keep changing usernames? because of bans?


{Ed001's Note - bans are on ip addresses so no. He must just forget his password and not have the sense to request a new one.}

16 Feb 2016 20:05:02
To all reds that are interested. There is a nice article titled Bob Paisley, This is your life. On the Echo website.
Some great pictures and words from great players and managers about Sir Bob.
If you remember his era or not, it is worth a look, brought back some great memories for me.

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17 Feb 2016 03:40:37
3 European cups in 9 years! as far i'm concerned pep and jose combined don't get anywhere near the brilliance of the man. thank you sir bob for everything you did for lfc . how fortunate we went from shankly to paisley. that's why the other lot are struggling they have gone from fergie to moyes to van gaal.


{Ed001's Note - without a doubt Paisley was the best ever.}

16 Feb 2016 19:49:47
a forgot to mention earlier when it comes to penalty shootouts if the ball hits the post then say the keeper then ends up in the back of the net then a goal would be awarded.

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16 Feb 2016 20:05:38
Obviously?


16 Feb 2016 20:25:00
Unless the rules have been altered, during a penalty shoot out the ball must continue forward momentum at all times. Therefore if the ball hit a post came backward onto the keeper then into the goal. The penalty should be counted as a miss.
There was a famous incident in 1986 world cup I think, where a Brazilian hit the post then the keeper then it went in. The ref wrongly awarded the 'goal' to stand.


16 Feb 2016 20:27:46
Actually a goal should NOT be awarded but there was a famous case in a World Cup QF France vs Brazil.

It hit the post, bounced back off the keeper and in. Strictly speaking once it hits the post and comes out the ball should be dead.


16 Feb 2016 21:59:08
That's in a penalty shootout though. In a game situation it would still be a goal right?


16 Feb 2016 23:01:20
Tjred did you really need to ask that?


17 Feb 2016 00:46:03
It looks like it doesn't it Chris?


16 Feb 2016 19:46:39
in answer to an earlier post no player can touch a ball twice at the taking of a penalty if so then an indire t free kick awarded to the opposition is the result check the laws of the game plus the fact i'm also a qualified referee and have been for 25 years now its good fun so it is.

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16 Feb 2016 19:10:47
Coutinho looked back to his best last 2 appearances. Sure I remember him struggling for form pre the injury?
Excellent news he's returned like this. And I got my Wembley tickets today!
Can't wait Reds, c'mon lads!

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16 Feb 2016 19:34:21
Probably carrying that injury a bit?


16 Feb 2016 22:38:17
He looks back to his best because he now has movement ahead of him. He can pick a pass and also run into the space.
When playing previously with Benteke this wasn't possible as he didn't offer the smart movement and runs in behind.


16 Feb 2016 18:40:43
Hi Eds, I asked this question on Sunday but it didn't appear for some reason. I know Benteke is out of favour right now, he's been a predictable disaster by all accounts. Do you think the club will persist with him or cut our loses and move him on if possible?

I would say he'll get to the end of the season to see how he does but with Sturridge and Origi returning and him already behind Firmino his chances may be limited.

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{Ed002's Note - TRy the search engine for Benteke please.}

16 Feb 2016 18:58:52
Dont forget Danny Ings.


16 Feb 2016 18:27:11
Does anyone else think Milner has improved of late?

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16 Feb 2016 19:27:27
Hugely. Maybe not the most gifted technically (though certainly not terrible) but he's been involved in something like 5 goals in the last 6 games. Fair play to him, he's a good player.


16 Feb 2016 20:06:50
I think it's good having one player like Milner in your team. The problem is when we have 3/ 4 whose main strength is fitness and running and not overly talented players.


17 Feb 2016 01:02:56
Milner does a great job when you need someone to provide something in both Attack and Defence, but he lacks pace and trickery so he needs others around him to create movement, pace, finishing ability. Hence why he looks better with Firmino and Sturridge over a 4-3-3 and Benteke, Llalana (similar mould) and a midfield of Hendo, Can and Lucas.

Fencey had it spot on, we just had too many grafters and not enough stars when a solid side ideally has a bit of both.


17 Feb 2016 02:55:45
He a far better player when pushed outwide. He has good delivery but needs to stay out there. There are far better options for centre midfield.


16 Feb 2016 17:55:17
Looking forward to Markovic coming back, not expecting him to be a messiah but he has got huge potential.

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16 Feb 2016 19:22:50
Can't wait to see what Kloppo can get out of Lazar, but you're right, he won't take Ilori's mantel. πŸ˜‡.


16 Feb 2016 19:59:13
Messiah keeps coming Ed02 lols.


16 Feb 2016 17:14:56
question for ed001- what's the rules with hitting penalties.

if a player misses a pen they can score the rebound, so if a player 'scuffed' the ball on purpose could they then run onto it and technically dribble the ball into the net?

just curious after the Barcelona pen.

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{Ed001's Note - you know I do not have any idea about that. I think, from when a double hit penalty has been taken, that someone else has to touch it before he can take a second touch, but I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.}

16 Feb 2016 18:16:52
I think another player has to touch it beforehand.


16 Feb 2016 18:43:54
what about if it hits the post then? surely the player would be allowed to burry the rebound.


{Ed002's Note - No.}

16 Feb 2016 19:07:45
On no dead ball situation eg corner, free kick, penalty or goal kick can the same player kick the ball a second time if no other player has touched the ball.


16 Feb 2016 19:21:44
And in a shoot out once the balls forward momentum stops then it is dead.


16 Feb 2016 21:27:56
After the players have taken positions in accordance with this Law, the referee signals for the penalty kick to be taken
The player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward
He must not play the ball again until it has touched another player
The ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward
When a penalty kick is taken during the normal course of play, or time has been extended at half-time or full time to allow a penalty kick to be taken or retaken, a goal is awarded if, before passing between the goalposts and under the crossbar:

the ball touches either or both of the goalposts and/ or the crossbar and/ or the goalkeeper
The referee decides when a penalty kick is complete.

So, i think, the taker can only strike the ball again once touched by the keeper, if the keeper saves and it rebounds back into play it's a free for all. Not sure what happens if it comes just off post or crossbar, or keeper tips it over or wide.


16 Feb 2016 16:46:55
Ed 1, have you and benny stopped fighting yet? Would love an upbeat podcast from the redoubtable duo!

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{Ed001's Note - I think he is in hiding....}

16 Feb 2016 19:32:13
We only fight because the making up is the best part ;)


16 Feb 2016 20:00:02
Benny and Ed01. You guys miss me and that's the reason. Ha ha πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.


16 Feb 2016 20:10:08
I think Ed 1 has turned EMS into a bluenose! ☺️.


16 Feb 2016 17:07:00
Hey eds I was just wondering if you could give me your opinion on training breaks? I see Stoke and Sunderland are going to use this week off to go to Dubai and Liverpool are choosing to stay in the uk. Are they si moral boosters, scientifically proven or a waste of time? Thank you.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a European game coming up. The breaks that other clubs are taking are to places where the weather is better and it gives a chance of a break from the tedium of being in England.}

17 Feb 2016 03:56:06
take your pick wirralred also as a supporter I think it all depends on your teams form, on how it gets perceived. if the teams doing well fans are not bothered, if they are struggling the fans are outraged. imo they are a waste of time but they do get better weather, it does get cold up north this time of year and the last thing footballers need is a case of the flu. don't worry they post pictures of there training camp and luxury hotel on twitter and facebook.


{Ed001's Note - it does them good as the facilities here are great, and they are stuck together so it helps the team gel together. Luckily it is not too hot this time of year (should be about 25c today), so they can get out and boost their vit d etc in the sun.}

16 Feb 2016 16:48:46
We are on the cusp of having a tasty little group of players next season. I love the way Kloppo is assessing what he has at the moment and also slowly but surely incorporating and bedding in the youngsters i. e Stewart. Who unfortunately I think will take Leiva's place in the squad next season but equally I'm chuffed for Stewart. With Ings and Gomes to come back and with a few quality additions we could have one hell of a team. Don't forget the Holy Trinity of Sturbridge, Phil and Bobby. If we can add power in the midfield as I don't think Emre Can is going to be that man, get a half decent keeper, purchase a dominant center back and persuade the Chinese into thinking lalana and Benteke can play football then I'm looking forward to a bright and winning future!

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16 Feb 2016 17:21:57
I agree accept the Emre can bit he's powerful calm and box to box he will come better expecially under klopp just give him time.


16 Feb 2016 18:03:31
Think you should stick to dentistry, Lallana and Benteke can play football to a high standard, both established Internationals, whether they fit in to Klopps thinking remains to be seen - and the fact that you don't think Can has "power" baffles me completely.


16 Feb 2016 18:56:54
John B I've seen Emre Can play 28 times this season and only once has he bossed the game. My personal opinion is he won't become a Keane, Petit, Viera, Makelele-Esque type player for us. I feel he has a ceiling. As for Benteke and Lalana, maybe they can produce football to a high standard the point is it's evident their not doing it with us due to them not fitting in with our style of play. So what should we do? Pay them their exuberant salaries for the rest of their contracts or sell them, get a decent fee and replace them with youth from the academy or players that have the savvy to adapt to our style of play? Its a new world out there John B. We have the internet now, Mobile phones and HD television. Oh and another thing football has moved on also it's not all wingers and big centre forwards either. And by the way I'm not really a dentist it's called an avatar it's associated with that Internet thingy I was talking about earlier.


16 Feb 2016 19:06:25
Lallana is all tricks and flicks, runs all day BUT with little to no end product. Benteke is a good player but does he fit the way Klopp wants to play? We`ll see. As for Can, if you think he has no pace nor power then you need to watch closely or don`t quit your day job to be a pundit. Check his goal vs Villa. If that is not laced with pace to break loose and power behind the strike then I can`t help you.


16 Feb 2016 19:27:26
Yep agree with Ohio, I think Kloppo likes very direct/ efficient attacking players, get the ball attack space and get it in a goal scoring chance as quick as possible.
Lallana is very talented and sometimes I think he wants to show that off too much instead of putting in an early cross.
Benteke will not survive the cull IMO.
Can needs a break, he can be that midfield dynamo and he has the ability, he just needs to learn a bit more "match-craft". I think Kloppo will bring that out of him.


16 Feb 2016 19:27:31
Can is vision and positional discipline away from being a very good player. Those are things he can learn as he plays.

Bear in mind he only had about a season and a half of first team footie before he arrived and spend most of his first season here playing center back and right back. So he's not got a massive wealth of experience in central midfield.


16 Feb 2016 20:03:00
You could also add Can has only scored once this season. A poor stats for a powerful B2B midfielder.


17 Feb 2016 04:10:20
emre can is going to be one hell of a player imo. yes he can be frustrating and inconsistent but he is only 21yrs old. I would push him further forward myself esp if Henderson is going to be sitting, let can power forward, i'm surprised he only has 1 goal as he possesses a good shot on him. also when things are not going well he dosent hide, he gets just as angry as we do, he has already had a eventful lfc career playing in multiple positions. a versatile player is a great asset to have. I hope the goal against villa encourages him to shoot more often. just remember when you clamour for youngsters to be given a chance they could be just as frustrating and inconsistent as emre, with the odd moment of brilliance thrown in. The best is yet to come from emre can.


16 Feb 2016 16:37:52
Hey Eds, I read the other day one of you said klipperty was keeping a close eye on markovic and he rates him. That being said, why didn't the club try to end his loan deal? We seemingly ended every other one because Klopp doesn't like loans apparently. Was it just a matter of money?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, mainly.}

16 Feb 2016 18:31:17
Thanks Ed.


16 Feb 2016 16:36:01
It's was Nordvelt at anfield last week not Comacho.

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16 Feb 2016 17:43:04
I take it you mean nordfeldt?


16 Feb 2016 18:20:09
No, he means Havard Nordtveit who has promised a statement on his future this week, he is available on a free transfer on 30 June 2016.


16 Feb 2016 19:04:57
and the same man can play in about four diff positions, might be the end of Lucas.


16 Feb 2016 19:28:08
Wasn't he an Ex-Manc 😠.


16 Feb 2016 19:36:11
Sorry, he's an ex-goner. My mistake πŸ˜‰.


16 Feb 2016 22:42:29
Nordtveit is not good enough, i would be shocked if he was even considered.


16 Feb 2016 16:02:38
Im joining this cb or defence debate. Who should be gone. I think Lovren finally found his feet and klopp maybe rushed him bit too soon that just shows he really likes him. he started every game when fit and was our only bright spot in defence. one of skrtel and sakho is leaving. I think klopp haven't yet decided who will be gone, they both suffered injuries, maybe skrtel as he is older, i think our cb will be lovren, matip sakho and gomez. gomez to be used as utility player so maybe ilori gets a chance to stay to and those are all good players when they have good midfield in front.

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16 Feb 2016 17:43:53
I think Sakho is the goner. I like him for the record.


16 Feb 2016 19:07:38
Sahko isn`t going anywhere, IMO. Skittles is the goner for me.


16 Feb 2016 15:31:18
Long time follower, first time poster.

Can I ask why there seems to be a lot of fans suggesting that Klopp wants to sell Mignolet in the summer? It does not seem likely to me because Klipperty just handed him a new contract extension, which seems a waste of time and effort if he didn't intend on keeping him in the squad.

I do not think that this is a strategy to drive up his price because of a long contract, seems unlikely.

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16 Feb 2016 15:39:49
Everyone knows this was a stupid mistake by the club and manager. It's just people don't want to accept it as the manger is Klopp. I share the same view as yours, he ain't Suarez to protect his value. Couldn't find any other reason.


16 Feb 2016 16:05:14
Big fan of Klopp but he made a big mistake with that one. Anyhow, Ed has said that we are looking at a goalie to come in this summer so I would take this extension with a pinch of salt.


16 Feb 2016 16:07:38
mistakes can be rectified by anyone. imo if klopp can get the goalkeeper he wants, migs will go if not he will keep him and when asked why he has kept him point to the 5 year contract. I do think that danny ward will leave in the summer though, he enjoyed playing for Aberdeen, and at 23yrs old he needs to be playing regularly, perhaps Aberdeen will come back in for him in the summer. ryan fulton will then be promoted to number 2 as I expect Swindon to buy vigureux. just an example of the type of decisions klopp is facing this summer.


17 Feb 2016 04:03:29
It is possible that he is OK with Migs as the #1 keeper but if he manages to attract a top class alternative, he is happy to keep Migs as #2 only for cup games. assuming the owners don't mind having a goalkeeper that cost 9m sitting on the bench.


16 Feb 2016 13:36:33
Hi Ed, curious to know what other offers where on the table for Grujic?

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea offered a lower transfer fee (that could have been resolved) but would not be looking at him for the first team for probably two and a half years. That would comprise an initial loan back to Red Star (perhaps even including next season at Red Star if the get in the Champions League - but that was not Chelsea's preference) and then a year on loan in Europe as he is seen as being behind the pecking order of another midfield player (Pasilic) who is going through that process with Chelsea already. Liverpool's offer also ended interest from Napoli, Hamburg, Wolfsburg, PSG, Manchester United, Everton, Manchester City and Roma (although none of these clubs put a firm offer on the table as I understand it) but Stuttgart, Udinese and Anderlecht had proposals which they expected to be more acceptable to the family of the player who were worried about the damage a move to Liverpool could do to his career - not just financial proposals but career building proposals.

16 Feb 2016 14:25:43
This is a 50-50 deal to me. The kid is only 19 and would need at least two years to get the real taste of the league.
I have my doubts on this deal.


16 Feb 2016 14:35:20
So fortune telling is also a part of your skill set?


16 Feb 2016 16:06:47
Shocking revelation from Harry. LOL!


16 Feb 2016 16:30:39
So it was written. So it shall be done!


16 Feb 2016 16:58:00
Harry was a super fan of Kovacic, unproven and young, for some reason he has doubts over Grujic. Knowing Klopp's record with young players I hope he goes on to be a world beater!


16 Feb 2016 17:16:30
Waqas

Kovacic did play a full season at inter while Grujic comes from Brazil.
I have seen Emre Can struggling after two years with the club. It's not easy to come to England and set the world on fire especially the kid is just 19.


{Ed001's Note - Brazil? Grujic is Serbian, he plays in Serbia, I am not aware of him ever playing in Brazil.}

16 Feb 2016 17:30:53
Waqas

Moreover Klopp was never scouting the player. The club just used him to get the player in.


16 Feb 2016 18:39:30
Grujic played for Red Star (serbian league leaders) if I am not wrong, Klopp never scouted anyone at BVB either he coached them and got the best out of them, and seriously having the mentality of someone elses wife is hotter than yours never really ends well, if grujic was recruited by any of the teams listed by ed002 above you'd be leading the hit squad.


16 Feb 2016 20:07:50
Waqas

You do realize Chelsea were interested in him as well Markovic at one stage only to Loan them back for a season or couple rather than bring them to PL at this stage.

The club needs players who makes immediate impact if you ask me. We have AN ACADEMY to cover out first teamers. ( Stewart should cover a top class DM, While Ward should cover an experienced GK ) .

Emre Can is an example from you could learn. Bought young and now struggling due lack of experience.

If you think Grujic would set the world on fire from May then I rest my argument.


16 Feb 2016 20:44:19
Emre Can is not struggling because of PL being some super league, he is struggling because hendo is injured and off the pace the movement infront of him has been lacking, the games he has played along side a fit coutinho, firmino have been excellent. He is good in the tackle, can pass the ball and has a decent shot on him he just needs to play in a steady team and some pressure taken off of him.

On your Markovic comment if you are comparing Rodgers' "mis"management of a player to Klopp (he barely has had a chance to manage, let alone mismanage) I don't think its fair.

And on your final comment, I think it will take Grujic a little longer than May to set the world alight, I'd give him. say till july for the pre-season to atleast start!


16 Feb 2016 14:00:47
with couthino and sturridge back i can see benteke playing better, after the villa game the players will be feeling very good and will hopefully start to play better and be more consistant and if that's the case i really can see benteke get back to his best, he will have all the players around him to play better so its now down to him to start to play better and start scoring, if he does not what's the best thing to do with im, if we sell him in the summer we won't get that much for him if we keep him another season for him to score more goals and play better we will get more money for him in the trasfer market but also we will have to pay his wages for another year so is it better to sell him now and take a huge loss or hope he scores a lot of goals next season for us and hope his price goes up then sell him,

personally i'm all for keeping him but if we can get a good price for him then we should sell, its a hard one and i would not like to be the one who decides these matters, i do believe in klopp and i think he will get us the right players who will turn are team around and we will finish close next season, we all know a few players will be leaving who leaves is anyones guess so we will just have to wait, i'm more interested in who we bring in i'm not interested in getting big names because they might not play well or take time to settle into our league like any other player klopp brings in but they won't cost that much as the big name players, what the villa game showed is that with the full squad to pick from we can play a lot better and win games, let's hope our players remain injury free till the end of the season and it will show us how good klopp really is, I've also seen when klopp has time with the players in training we play better so with this break we will have a good game when we get back to the prem games, firmino is the classic example of this, when klopp has had time in training with him he has had very good games in the next game we have.

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16 Feb 2016 14:45:19
With coutinho and Sturidge back I can't see benteke playing at all let alone better.
He will be used as a plan B until he's sold in the summer.


16 Feb 2016 15:58:03
Our attacking endeavour pretty much died as soon as Benteke was brought on against Villa. He does not work hard enough off the ball, has shockingly bad movement and needs a team to play around him - he was a bad fit for the club and I doubt, should our other attacking player stay fit, that he will start many more games this season.


16 Feb 2016 16:07:21
He won`t even get on the pitch.


17 Feb 2016 04:14:22
the pecking order seems to be firmino, sturridge, origi and bentenke. I think that says it all.


16 Feb 2016 11:36:18
Ed1 has said there will be a clear out in the summer and a lot of us take that to mean that a number of first team players will leave, I don't know if that's opinion or from inside information but I wanted to talk about the usual suspects.

Sturridge - Ed2 has said in the past that he may move on and a few posters hinted at inside information that he'd never play for Liverpool again. His start on Sunday suggests this was bunkum and I think Klopp has managed this situation well. Hopefully Sturridge has moved on from his niggles and the team will be based around him going forward as he's certainly our best player.

Benteke - Most fans want him gone but I don't see the point in replacing him. Although this season has gone badly for him next season he will be a squad player and, if his confidence can return, a useful one at that. Replacing him will likely be costly and with Sturridge, Ings and Origi available it seems unnecessary. The circumstances where he leaves are either we want him off the wage bill or he wants to go for his own sake.

Coutinho - Ed2 suggested that Coutinho would want to leave if we failed to qualify for the CL. Although we only have a slim chance of that I think there's a decent chance his situation's changed. His performances this year mean he's probably slipped down the priority list of the teams he wants to move to and the arrival of Klopp may mean he gives us another year. Hopefully he stays and inspires improvement next season.

Lallana - I like Lallana and I think Klopp does as well but he hasn't made himself indispensable. I can see a winger coming in this summer and if that happens we need to make space for them and, if Coutinho stays, then Lallana becomes the obvious candidate to go.

Milner - Another favorite to leave but I just don't see it. Milner's one of Klopp's mainstays, he's started every league game he's been available. Even if Klopp decides he's not a first 11 player I think he'll see him as his first reserve and he'll continue to play the majority of games. Again the only reason for him leave is to get him off the wage bill but I expect Klopp is happy to keep him.

Lucas - The cause of so many arguments. If he stays next season I'm pretty sure he'll be a squad player and his future depends on whether he's OK with that. Last summer he wanted first team football, if that's still the case he' may well look at his options again.

Fullbacks - Clyne and Flanagan will be battling for first choice next year so I expect them to stay. Moreno's future is the question mark, we've been linked with a few left-backs and Moreno's divided opinion, he's undoubtedly skillful but has made a lot of defensive errors, I wouldn't be surprised to see him replaced.

CBs - Currently our 4 CBs for next season are Skrtel, Sakho, Lovren and Matip, I don't think that's good enough and I can see at least one of them being replaced. Skrtel and Sakho have been the go to guys whenever they've been fit but both had made mistakes and I see one of those being just as likely as Lovren to be replaced, maybe by Ilori but more likely by another signing.

Mignolet - The new contract made this very confusing, my read was that he was having his value protected for summer 17 with the club deciding that he would be remaining till at least then (he would have had one year to go on his contract at this time) . But a number of high profile mistakes since he signed may have changed the management's mind. It doesn't appear that Klopp sees Ward as an immediate replacement so it's anyone's guess what happens this summer, I think it may depend on his form between now and then.

I think there will be a clearout this summer but less first team players than we assume. I can see Coutinho or Lallana being replaced by a world class winger, a new CB and maybe a new FB and GK but I don't see many additions beyond that. I look forward to being reminded about this post come August :)

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16 Feb 2016 12:17:20
All depends on who's buying. I'm sure there will be lots of our players available for transfer.


16 Feb 2016 12:54:27
Agree with most of this, and hope we just have 3 or 4 new players coming in over the summer maximum - but making sure they really key ones to strengthen the side.

While I do foresee a bit of a clear out of the fringe (and loan) players, plus perhaps 2-4 more major names moving on, I also hope this is not another case of starting afresh every single year and then hoping we can gel as we go through the season. would be nice change to start a season with most of the first team having played together before.


16 Feb 2016 12:56:35
The club wil struggle to offload majority given the price and contract situations. It would be sell to buy in the summer.


16 Feb 2016 13:18:26
- Sturridge is a hard call - imo miles better then any player on our books (probably only player who would make it into England's top four teams from our squad) but only when fit. Give him till end of season

- Benteke - really liked him at villa but has won't work out written all over him. Think his underated in ability and pace but seems unable to apply it, again see if he can change opinion because is a great player in there

- coutinho - may want to go but be surprised if their were many suitors based on this season. Though give him a season playing with firmino and Sturbridge and will see a whole different player and a list of clubs after him

- lallana and Milner - actually like both players but think we could replace them with players that could offer a lot more. Sounds stupid but if we could replace them with a pacey and hard working winger/ wide forward would be made up. just struggling on who fits that!

- think Moreno and Clyde will stay but wouldn't be surprised if smith and flan no replaced both by next season.

- CB, tbf not seen matip so can't comment. Personally think Lovren has been our best CB this season. Skrtel is a fan favourite but would move him on and sakho swaps between a good CB and a liability so hard to say.

- Migns, sorry but just isn't good enough. Of any position would splash the cash the replace him most or give ward until the end of the season because he just isn't a good enough keeper to win a league or get top 4.


16 Feb 2016 13:41:38
For me Lallana will go as he is the weakest of the players in that position. Don't see coutinho going as his comments where said when Rodgers was n charge.

Sakho will probably go he is injured more than he is fit and I think we would get a good price for him. Skrtel at his age would probably only bring half the price as Sakho would.

Milner I think would depend on who we bring in, if we bring in a wide player then I think he will be off.

If mignolet did stay then I feel it would only be back up to a new keeper. Makesure the new keeper settles then sell mignolet next summer.


16 Feb 2016 16:12:29
Mingo needs to go, no question. As for Lallana, if we go with the line up of last Sunday at villa, Lallana doesn`t even make the bench, let alone the first eleven. Squad guy at best but a 25m squad player in addition to a 32m squad player. Add Milner to that and hat is almost 60m on the bench which is what is called "Dead Money" in American sports as in, money invested in assets that are not working for you.


16 Feb 2016 16:22:12
Exactly redohio

That money from sales can bring in a couple of players klopp wishes to use in the starting 11.


16 Feb 2016 10:42:11
Imagine EPL managers next season :

Klopp ( Liverpool )
Pep Guardiola ( City )
Mourinho ( United? )
Simeone ( Chelsea? )
Raneri ( Leicester )
Wenger ( Arsenal )
Pochettino ( Spurs)
Koeman ( Southampton )
Bilić ( West Ham )
SΓ‘nchez Flores ( Watford )

Some of the best coaches in the world. Winning the league got helluva lot harder. but its going to be awesome.

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16 Feb 2016 11:05:53
Don't forget pulis!


16 Feb 2016 11:31:56
The legend that is Mark Hughes.


16 Feb 2016 11:44:38
No Englishman there!


16 Feb 2016 11:53:14
And aLARDyce.


16 Feb 2016 12:39:56
@ Jmanz : words can't describe how much I dislike Pulis.

But he can certainly do a "job" on any team!


16 Feb 2016 16:16:27
Yeah, like kick the opposing team into oblivion.


17 Feb 2016 04:37:10
don't forget steve mcclaren for top English talent!


16 Feb 2016 10:20:04
Morning Ed1,

Obviously the arrival of Matip will signal the end of some CB's at the club but out of the three first teamers whose futures are undecided (Sakho, Skrtel and Lovren) do you think all three could end up going?

My main reason for asking is because whilst they have been shaky this year they all have premier league experience and going with 4 rookies next year could be a massive error.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't expect all 3 to leave, not this summer at least.}

16 Feb 2016 11:00:14
If Klopp signs another CB along with Matip, then one of Lovren or Sakho is definitely leaving. Skrtel and Toure are as good as gone with Matip coming in. Have a feeling Ilori and Gomez will both be given chances next season.


16 Feb 2016 11:14:50
Really? "Skrtel and Toure as good as gone" plus one of the other 2 leaving gives us two experienced CBs. one of whom has not played in PL before. no chance they'll do that.

I reckon we'll have at least Matip, Lovren and Sakho competing and probably keep Skrtel too.


16 Feb 2016 11:27:32
Klopp will sign a center back in the summer and would probably sell 3 out 4 from the current lot.
We have created a record in conceding goals recently.


16 Feb 2016 11:33:26
I agree gomez looked awesome until the bad incident and illori his sublime pace is cool he has potential and I think klopp and co can get that out of him but agree for seasons now skittle has been a liability but for me so has sakho a lot and at times lovren hopefully matip will improve it and see who wins there places to stay.


16 Feb 2016 11:37:24
Why would Lovren leave? Before he got injured he started to play the best of all our centre backs? Sakho and Skrtel have both been poor though.


16 Feb 2016 13:39:18
Do not tell me some of you are actually willing to rely on illori or Gomez at CB and willing to sacrifice one or two of our experienced CB's to do that. I mean, I knew that certain posters just didn't have a clue but that's got to be taking the mick. I know it's your opinion but it's a very uneducated one. Gomez has been injured since the beginning of the season and he was playing fullback, he will likely make as bad errors if not worse than the senior players but a lot of you will let him off because he's 18 and still 'learning'. Illori has shown me nothing to suggest he's any sort of replacement, he had a couple decent games against West Ham but caulker had a decent game as well does that suddenly mean he's a replacement. I'm sure illori will get more chances this season but Gomez nor illori are good enough to replace any of skrtel, Lovren or sahko.

I'd be up for giving one of them the mantle of learning and gaining experience there to eventually become our best CB but right now we can't take those sort of risks when our senior centrebacks are making costly errors. I don't think the root of it is the players, I think the root of it is a lack of a good defensive coach or a defensive coach at all. I still see one of them leaving but I don't see Gomez or illori replacing one of them and that would be smart. Gomez will likely continue as a utility player at the back, and illori will most likely be sold or loaned out again. I wonder what will happen with wisdom though as I liked the look of him before.


16 Feb 2016 15:26:23
What's the point in having players like Ilori if you're not going to play them?
You must be judging Ilori as "not good enough" based on a couple of games against West Ham which you freely admit he played "alright". Gomez equally has had very few games for anyone to judge him.

Yet you call others "extremely uneducated". πŸ€”
Open your mind, if you give young players a chance they might surprise you. None of our so-called first team defenders have covered themselves in glory this season.
They could all lose their place to younger players.


16 Feb 2016 16:11:22
you only have to look at spurs to see where faith in youngsters can get you. If you're good enough you are old enough.


16 Feb 2016 16:23:01
Sahko and Lovren along with Matip, Ilori and Gomez will be the CB`s. N BTW, It will take Gomez a long while to get back to top form. Skittles and Toure out for me. My preferred partnership would be shako and Lovren with Matip and Ilori and Gomez as back ups or if Matip can take one of the spots, so be it.


16 Feb 2016 09:40:38
I have to say I feel for Danny Ward. He was a first keeper in a good team in Scotland and did a very good job there. He didn't play a minute for us since coming.

I don't have a problem with Klopp playing Mings if he thinks he is better but why was it urgent to bring Ward back then? With the other loanees they hardly played in their teams anyway but Ward enjoyed every minute there so it seems. Ward is not a kid, he is 23 and that is half a season for him on the bench instead of playing.

Even if the aim is for Klopp to see him playing or to have a better option than Bogdan if Mings is injured it seems to me a bit unfair.

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16 Feb 2016 10:19:07
Klopp said early doors that he wasn't a fan of the English way of loaning youngsters out all over the place. He must clearly feel his methods are better at developing youngsters hence why he's virtually called them all back. I also think its to assess who, what and how good all the players at the club are. There's no doubt that some of our 'youngsters' are no longer youngsters and if they aren't good enough then they should be moved on as they are only a drain on wages, training resources and prevent the actual youngsters from progressing.


16 Feb 2016 11:36:38
If Mings got injured there would be howls on here and elsewhere of why didn't klopp bring back Ward, that Bogdan is a disaster, Klopp should have seen this coming etc etc. When Klopp played Bogdan it was obvious to all that Bogdan was not good enough for Liverpool. The right decision was made, get Ward back for cover, as well as an opportunity to assess Ward first hand over 6 months in preparation for next season.


16 Feb 2016 13:00:53
Bang on Micheal lad.


16 Feb 2016 13:50:30
Well put Micheal. Also worth noting that Ward has barely been back a month, he might very well still get gametime but he's a keeper, he needs to settle back into the squad at least a little first.


16 Feb 2016 14:35:37
Maybe it was legitimate from Klopp - I still think it is unfair to the player.


16 Feb 2016 16:26:02
I will go one further, Michael. I want Ward given a shot at the GK position and let us see what he can do. Milan had the same thing/ issue with their GK`s but instead of buying, they went to their academy and got a 16 yr old who is now doing the business for them I say, we do the same thing and develop our own. The advantage is that Ward has actually played top flight football in Scotland and in the EL so he is even more experienced that the Milan kid is. Just my opinion.


17 Feb 2016 04:26:10
I was surprised he didn't take over Bogdan's role by playing in the cup competitions. But Klopp will obviously want to assess him more first. There is more to goalkeeping that stopping a shot or catching a cross.


16 Feb 2016 05:35:04
ed 2 sorry to bother you but i'm already getting tired of matip being described a "free transfer" any chance you could let us know the true cost to lfc. also am I right in thinking there is no way back in football for blatter or platini, no matter how many appeals they launch? any info would be great.

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16 Feb 2016 09:49:39
{Ed002's Note - The cost of the transfer of Matip would include:
(a) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL - of the assigned value of the transfer fee - which will be nominal.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Legal fees.
(h) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(i) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(j) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(k) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

Blatter will not be getting back in to the game. Platini will, quite rightly, continue to fight his cause.}


16 Feb 2016 10:19:11
Great info 002. Two words stuck out to me though, "quite rightly"
Why is it right for platini to carry on fighting his cause?


{Ed002's Note - All Platini effectively did wrong was not chase payment that was overdue - and under Swiss law five years after the work was completed the payment should not have been paid. There is little or no case against him for wrongdoing.}

16 Feb 2016 11:55:29
To be honest I've always had a nagging feeling that platini is innocent. I can't comprehend why a man with such a legendary status in the world game like Platini, would risk all of his admiration for a quick buck via corrupt means. It doesn't compute.


16 Feb 2016 12:34:18
Aside from him having knowledge of the rampant corruption within Fifa from a senior position and failing to report any of it. Failure to report ongoing criminal activity on the grounds that it benefits you tends to be a crime in most places - the onus is now on the authorities to actually provide definitive proof that he couldn't have not known.

Alternatively it could be said that he doesn't deserve to be jailed but does deserve to lose his job through gross negligence if he actually didn't know any of this was happening right under his nose.


{Ed001's Note - it is not like he wasn't in the middle of the corruption in Italian football as well.....}

16 Feb 2016 13:07:03
I agree Nick,

Just as my suspicions that Hitler, Nixon and Shipman was all innocent.


16 Feb 2016 14:10:48
i might be wrong on this but at first platini was going after blatter calling him out and saying he was doing wrong, then all of a sudden i seen the sitting there laughing and joking together, now i know why it was the payment but i bet there was more payments that have not come to light between them, if platini just kept going after him then he would not have this ban and be one of the good guys, look back at the beginig of platini going after blatter and you will see.


16 Feb 2016 14:27:35
Hi ed, you said Liverpool need to pay insurance costs to the selling club.

Why do we need to pay this when Schalke aren't actually selling him?


{Ed002's Note - Because Schalke would not want to be paying for a player who has left.}

16 Feb 2016 16:26:50
A "free" transfer is NEVER free.


16 Feb 2016 16:47:17
spot on redohio, also thanks ed 2 for such a detailed breakdown on what's involved in with a signing.


16 Feb 2016 17:22:03
Free, meaning no transfer fee? Get it! Forget about the rest of it which comes hand in hand with any transfer! I will let the club worry about our finances! Just back the players! πŸ˜‰.


16 Feb 2016 08:56:12
Eds reds listening to drive on talksport yday they said they knew which club kasper shmeichel is going to. I missed it later did anyone else hear what they said? Not saying it will be correct just annoying. !

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16 Feb 2016 10:07:48
Probably to Man Utd if De Gea does move to Real in the summer. Ed002 did mention him being one of the potential replacements for De Gea.


16 Feb 2016 10:14:20
I thought his dad had lined him up for Utd when De Gea moves to Spain.


16 Feb 2016 08:24:36
The turn of speed Origi showed to get away from that fan clearly shows he has some engine:-)

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16 Feb 2016 09:54:26
I think that fan would have struggled to keep up with origi to be fair, chasing burger vans is more his thing. Lol.


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