Liverpool Banter Archive June 16 2014

 

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16 Jun 2014 22:52:19
Hi eds hope all is well, not transfer target related as such but do you know how much the board have given Rodgers to spend this window? I can't seem to find out from any trust worthy sources, I understand if you don't want to start talking 'war chest' figures etc but just wondered if there was an exact figure given?

Many thanks

Henlow red

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{Ed002's Note - We don't discuss money and the board do not give Rodgers a fixed sum to spend.}

From memory FSG stated that they would look at each transfer individually and that they would fund players who will improve the team. to be fair to them they have done just that.

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16 Jun 2014 20:59:42
Liverpool at home to arsenal first game of the season.

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How do you know?

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16 Jun 2014 21:30:09
I would love an early old trafford visit. Give LVG a nice welcome to the premiership.

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16 Jun 2014 21:40:35
It's just a fake. Wait until Wednesday at 9.

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16 Jun 2014 23:38:05
Quite like an early chelsea match
Get the anti football out of the way

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Get the big guns out of the way early on

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I'd prefer United first game of the season at United. 4-1: two assists from Sterling, 3 goals for Suarez and one for Sturridge. Skrtel own goal in the 57th minute ;)

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When you make things up too look good, you don't half look a knob when your proved wrong.

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16 Jun 2014 20:20:04
Apparently Eds Juventus are showing interest in Shaqiri now?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

17 Jun 2014 07:32:53
I doubt if anyone will be looking at Shaqiri after his performance against Ecuador the other night . What a shocker , he gave the ball away a record number of times according to the stats , his set-piece delivery was so bad he was relieved of duties .

Perhaps Tranmere Rovers might be interested as long as they are not put off by the guy's weight issues .

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16 Jun 2014 19:44:28
Evening everybody,
new poster here, always difficult to make sense or believe much of the media hype regarding transfers at this time of year and even more so with the world cup on are screens. One player I feel would fit into our system with no fuss and bags of ability along with what appears great flexibilty along the line is alexis sanchez. I am by no means about to say hes
A must or i'm in the know, I wouldn't even know if its possible is he on massive wages?, would he want to come here etc, but there is just something about him that makes me think he would be ideal for our fast paced attacking style. He reminds me somewhat of luis sometimes he seems to have that ability were he can see what other players cant, he seems a step ahead of others around him. I would probably think its very tough to get hold of this type of top draw player but just thought I would post my views for the first time. Thank you eds and nice to meet you all, I hope to post again soon if I haven't bored people.
pp

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16 Jun 2014 21:32:33
I remember when there was lot of fuss about him before the 2010 World Cup, everyone was after him in the papers of course. I took a look at him and it was easy to see he would be a class player, would've loved to bought him then, we really needed a winger. He would be an amazing signing but it's unlikely unless Suarez leaves, even then he may end up somewhere else.

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16 Jun 2014 19:11:51
Hello eds n reds, hope you're having a great summer - or w/e you guyz call this in the uk.
Anyway, just wanted to ask which teams have shown interested in Manolas recently and if Liverpool have ever had him scouted?

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{Ed002's Note - There has been no interest from Liverpool.}

16 Jun 2014 19:02:46
My misses just said to me why is it whenever the world cup is in all grown men our out kicking a ball about like there the next Ronaldo lol

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Your misses is absolutely right, my shorter friends though think they are messi's.

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17 Jun 2014 04:28:15
Not trying to brag but I am the Lionel Messi of my local clubs C Grade.

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16 Jun 2014 16:54:31
Afternoon Fellow Reds and Eds;

Just for banter;

although we have ongoing and often (ad nauseaum in fact), quoted issues with the bids for Moreno and Lallana; In an ideal World who would you rather we bought in as alternatives for their places to enhance the team given our documented constraints?

of the players quoted;

Shaqiri; for me no thanks, I have followed his career at both basel and BM and do not understand why he is so badly hyped; I don't agree with his MOTM award for the match against ecuador either, he flattered to deceive and has a serious attitude problem.

Sanchez; would be a dream to have him, absolutely brilliant player who would increase our already formidable attacking potency.

Konoplyanka; again another I would love at the club and available for a similiar fee to that being quoted for Shaqiri.

Defenders;

LB; I am with some of the earlier posters with regards to Bertrand; buying any player is a risk as there are many factors that need to be considered; for me the risks of having Moreno for a higher price from a different league are higher than having someone (although a bit part player for Chelsea), from the same league for around half the price. Again a player I am sure Brendan can work his magic on.

RB; Serge Aurier; this guys has been awesome in the French league and I would love it if we could gazump Arsenal to his signature, for what the price he is being quoted for sale, he would be a bargain; I think with him as a starter and Flanagan as cover we will be ok in this department for a while (I have never rated Johnson. and still don't).

CB; I would love to have Lovren at the club! don't rate Caulker and hope the links to him are just paper talk.

Thank you.

JFT96
YNWA

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Agree with almost all said Redsanity, but can't comment on Aurier as not seen him at all and Bertrand maybe not the best we could go for but understand what you say re budget.

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16 Jun 2014 20:19:19
Would love Sanchez but think he would cost too much.

For attack would love kono, but think firmino could be a good buy as well. Saw both a few times last year and both looked good!

LB, Bertrand would be a fine player. Does a job but bit of MOTD fever but watched Switzerland and Ricardo looked good. Solid defensively and set up two goals (we need a full back who can actually cross) plus looks a big lad.

CB, lovren would be a good shout if he wasn't too espensive.

As for RB, tbh don't know! Not a lot of great ones in the world and don't think it's a position we will strengthen (flanno, Kelly, wisdom, and glen who I don't like but can't see going. But if pushed maybe debuchy?

Maybe another attacking player like tello dependent on if aspas/borini stay

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16 Jun 2014 21:38:55
For me the winger would be Griezmann, he is the next star of football I think. a big move is imminent so I would love it to be to us. There is also Cerci, Cuadrado, and Firmino who are talented players linked with an array of top teams, they'll be big names real soon and I'd like any of them. Konoplyanka would be good too but it seems we no longer hold an interest in him sadly. Agree that Shaqiri wouldn't be too good but I'd still take him.

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Personally I'd rather we not sign a leftback than sign somebody like Bertrand, who I don't rate. I don't think we are that desperate for a left back as to just sign anybody. Its better we find the right player and spend the money to get him than end up with yet another average fullback.

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In dream world Varane-Sakho is a great CB partnership

i seem to prefer Pedro over Sanchez also for some reason

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I have advocated that we sign players that BR knows and with proven Prem experience many times. Caulker, Bertrand & Lallana would all be very good signings IMO. Keep Ibe in the squad and continue to develop him down the lift side. Moreno is not 13m better than Bertrand and Lovren is not 5m better than Caulker.

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Rrethan- agreed on griezman, I completely forgot about him, but again I think when it comes down to the price, he may well be out of our reach.

How about his team mate Iker Munian, another who has had an indifferent time of late, but is an absolute class player when on form.

thanks again

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16 Jun 2014 15:37:46
Eds. I see we are looking at moving out quite a fewfringe players atm, could we be trying to get a few million to revisit the likes of Moreno and Lallana deals or would you think our interest has wained and looking at other targets?

Also Reina not going to Napoli according to RB. Is he Arsenal bound?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool know what they have to do to strike a deal for both players. It is up to the club. As for Reina, Liverpool want to move him on and there is no secret about Arsenal looking for a GK as they have had a bid turned down for one and have been in discussions with another, but I am not aware of any approach regarding PR.}

Give up and move on from these 2 players

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16 Jun 2014 15:28:08
Any idea where Joe Allen figures in Bren Gun's plans? I thought Allen's best performances came from deep lying midfield, linking the play from the defence, but surely we could soon have a glut of players for that role with Henderson, Gerrard, Lucas and Emre Can?

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I don't think bren gun has any plans
on a serious note
Allen is going nowhere after the amount paid for him and how highly br rates him

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There have been a lot of comments about Allen this summer, is he good enough, should he stay etc. IMO when Brendan first came to the club, it appeared that he wanted to play possession football, retain the ball for large parts of the game, don’t let the opposition get a look in, wear them out, having to chase the ball for 90 minutes, the much coined tika taka, ala Barca of a few years ago, ala Brazil, death by football. I live in the south of France near Toulouse, which has a similar climate to Barcelona (only a 4 hour drive), and the tactic suits the weather perfectly, more passing, less running, because most of the time it’s just too bloomin hot to do so. IMO the world cup this year will be won by a team that has the ability naturally within their team to do just that and for the same reasons. Joe Allen is brilliant at this, ball retention, in his last season at Swansea he had a 91.2 pass completion rate out of 2, 177 passes, impressive for a 22 year old, 85.5 in the opponents half even more so. He also made 74 interceptions won, 54.5 per cent of his duels, beat opponents in a challenge 198 times and won 74.5 per cent of tackles he attempted. That’s why Brendan wanted him so much and was prepared to fork out £15m. However, because of the style of English football and the blistering pace of our current attack, Brendan has learned quickly and adapted to a more counter attacking style, which means now his skills are less relevant to the way we have recently been playing. These will come back to the fore and be more important than ever next season, with CL football as well as an option to have in the squad against particular opponents in the PL. At 24 he is definitely one to keep.

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16 Jun 2014 13:17:01
looks like anyone who has a good game at the world cup is been linked with a move to us,

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16 Jun 2014 14:45:17
Especially if your a left back.

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16 Jun 2014 13:01:53
Can the poll of the day tomorrow be, "will Ed002 have a nervous breakdown before the end of the transfer window"? haha keep it up mate!

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16 Jun 2014 15:25:33
I think Ed002 is pretty close to it already. LOLZ.

Have a good whiskey ready mate to calm the nerves!

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

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16 Jun 2014 12:47:58
I think that we will get Shaqiri this summer and will be a great addition to the first team.

The likes of Sanchez, Markovic just are not realistic and are out of our price range.

I've just read through The reports from Fabrizio Romano and it all seem plausible and I think a deal will be reached. Lallana is too much money.

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Having watched shaquri or what ever his name is for his national team and he doesn't look like he would fit in to Brendan's team plan he does not like tracking back leaving his full back open to attacks his passing and dribbling is all about him not the team I really think he would not suit us at all

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Definite no to shaqiri dez not a BR player

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16 Jun 2014 12:22:37
Hello Eds
I see you are sick about all the questions with random names if they are connected somehow with transfer to LFC. Would it help to make some simple table top of the transfer rumors page with just two columns - Name of the player and Actual status? There would be only players who are really watched or we are interested in them, not MoDD taken into account. If the players is not in table, the answer is: NO, we are not interested. I know it doesn't solve everything but maybe can be helpful and could decrease number of stupid questions. Well, maybe there could be two tables - ins and outs. Its just an idea to help.
Good luck and thanks for your patience. You are doing great job.

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{Ed001's Note - we have tried similar things, takes too much time updating anything like that and the people that ask repeat questions never read anything anyway.}

16 Jun 2014 11:47:43
Guys, here is a question for you. There have been weird and wonderful transfer rumours over the years. The one that sticks to my mind as being most outrageous is the Andy Carroll and Carlos Tevez swap deal. What do you think are the most absurd rumours?

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16 Jun 2014 13:57:33
Man UTD in for Suarez this summer.

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Can we still do that swap?

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Ribery to Liverpool a couple of seasons ago.

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16 Jun 2014 22:51:48
Remember rui Costa being rumoured for ages.

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16 Jun 2014 23:49:10
I remember the Carlton Cole rumours feeling worryingly realistic at the time. Not necessarily absurd, but still gets me waking up in a sweat on occasions.

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17 Jun 2014 08:57:05
I'll always remember everyone being CONVINCED we were signing Aguero despite hardly being linked with him and the Eds saying we were not going to sign him. and then Man City casually swoop in and reality came crashing down!

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16 Jun 2014 11:22:35
With Rodgers stating he would be buying quality after the season ended, the talk of Bertrand is worrying. He may have won CL and PL but only as a squad player. I don't think he is any better than Enrique and therefore if we are not able to get anyone who is then we should not waste it on another guy who will be sitting on the bench. Surely with CL footy next season we could attract better??

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16 Jun 2014 12:59:13
We are attracting lot of players, But unfortunatly their club are attracted to MONEY.

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So are you judging Bertrand using his FIFA rating? Or the fact Chelsea don't play him? Because if memory serves me correctly, the last time we signed a Chelsea reject he scored 21 premier league goals for us in one season.

Bertrand is better than Moreno comfortably and not far behind Rojo. I'd go and fetch him. He needs a bit of work, but he's 24 which is young for a defender.

He hasn't been given a far crack yet and he is clearly very talented.

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16 Jun 2014 14:06:15
I quiet agree with Adam, Bertrand seems a decent player. He isn't a world beater. But certainly an expereinced player. And with the price mentioned I would defo look at him given Brad smith would be our first choice LB in another 2 years time.
Alberto Moreno makes no sense to me If Smith is still with the club.

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The problem is we have a small squad and with the high pressing harassing game we play our team will be out of steam by February with our extra fixtures.
Rodgers is trying to find players who can do that job and fill in if one of our stars get injured.
Lambert a great signing at 4m but he's going to get slated if can doesn't work out, 10m for a 20yr old?

I'd personally just spend 50/60m or whatever our budget is on 1 or 2 players, could u imagine a front three of Sanchez Suarez Sturridge,
Sanchez 30m can 10m Moreno 20m

That's all I'd do.

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16 Jun 2014 14:18:47
How's Can + Moreno = A LW?

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16 Jun 2014 15:25:16
Would you say the same about Sturridge and Couthino, who if memory serves me right were mere squad players in their respective teams before we signed them and gave them the chance to show what they could do. I was told last week that we might now be setting our sights on Bertrand and are talking to his club about the possibilty of a move. Ed002 confirmed the recent approach to his agent but was not aware of any contact to the club. Time will tell I suppose.

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To be fair Bertrand didn't impress me much at villa so I wouldn't be keen

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16 Jun 2014 10:58:49
Btw chaps.

A VERY interesting read on Belgians youth development on the BBC website. I'd give it a little look if you've got several spare minutes.

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16 Jun 2014 10:43:55
Well ed, I will try to make a case of supporting a Liverpool player.
The thread about Glen Johnson yesterday.
He was never "awful" on Saturday. Many player ratings had him between a 5 to a 7.
I'd have gone for the 7, and he lasted well in the very tough conditions.
The familiar failings were there, turning inside, some poor crossing (awful pitch, mind).
I'm not sure about getting caught out of position for their goals ; was there something going on with Johnson picking up runners and Cahill looking after Balotelli.
But those failings obviously struck a chord with the Liverpool fans.

However, a parting thought - GJ played in 28 PL games last season gone and Liverpool won 21 of them. A win rate of 75% and giving him an average of 2.39 points gained per game.
The top of any player at LFC in 2013/14.
Familiarity breeds contempt?

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I agree that GJ wasn't as bad the other night as some are making out, but you cannot excuse his poor performances in the league.

If you go by stats, Skrtel was the best centre back in the league last season and as you say GJ has a very good win rate.

What stats don't show is player positioning, pace, effort and confidence on the ball etc.

These factors can outweigh any stats.

Red Rum

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If we (i mean Liverpool) want a rock solid defense we need to replace glen johnson and also Skrtel (pains me to say is cause I like him)

I like Sakho, he can be the future he young and it was his first season in england in which he did well

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16 Jun 2014 10:48:43
Ed01 has given an awesome view on his overall performance down. that's spot on.
Regarding the win %. Most of our wins if you look at, Johnson contributions have been nothing.
But If you look at the goals we conceeded, Its him top of the chart with Skertel.
Brad Jones have been in the bench for all the wins we had, Does that makes him the best GK?

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Glen is that you juicer

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What did they give rooneys performance the other night, I thought england played well but you have to drop rooney to reach next round

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16 Jun 2014 14:11:59
Rooney was poor, But Baines was shocking, Absolute terrible. take out the first goal, What was he doing for the second one. He was useless. How much threat was he going forward? 0-1.
And what about his croses? disaster.
Since Italians had only striker upfront, All Baines had to do was to cover Canderva, Which he couldnt.
Rooney was poor out of his position, Baines was piss poor in his position.

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Being a Liverpool fan you should know all about bad defending as you saw enough of it last season, so I will bow to your superior knowledge.

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You are completely wrong there Harry. Sorry mate. Baines had a bad game, but there was nothing he could do about it. Rooney was so disinterested that the Italian right back (Darmian?) and Candreva were able to double up on Baines every time. It meant Baines had to keep dropping off rather than go out to press the man with the ball (otherwise they'd pass it round him). Baines made the best of a bad situation.

Roy was intelligent enough to spot this, so he pushed Welbeck across in the hope he'd track back and help Baines out. 5 minutes into the second half Baines got double teamed yet again and Italy scored. If you watch the replay for Balotelli's goal, look at Baines' reaction. He turns straight to Welbeck and throughs his arms up as if to say "what are you doing?" because you can guarantee less than 10 minutes ago Roy had given him specific instructions to go with the Italian full back; which he completely failed to do. Between Rooney and Welbeck, they cost us the game through lack of effort. That's why it annoyed me so much when Rio was banging on about how good Welbeck was when he shirked his defensive duties and looked scared to run at the opposition. Unlike Sterling who battles back for the ball and plays without fear.

There shouldn't be a United player in the squad.

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Baines was badly exposed time and time again by a combo of being left on his todd by rooney and then others, ashley cole would have handled it better imo.

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Thanks for putting Home Fan/Harry in his place EMS. Harry you cannot put all the blame on Baines as he was given no support from either Rooney or Welbeck down the left hand side. Leighton's natural game is to attack down the left hand flank but he also needs some support from further up the field when he is defending and neither Utd player did that in either half. Next time you want to criticise an England defender, have a look at the right hand side and check out that disgrace of a RB who plays for you.

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16 Jun 2014 17:33:25
Dave

Just a single question. Did Welbeck helped Baines?. He was poor. you have to accept it. I didn't say he is a poor player, But he was very very poor yesterday.

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16 Jun 2014 18:47:05
Welbeck wasn't playing on the left, he was on the right. Baines had no support, to narrow it down to just Baines is pretty blinkered of you.

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Wellbeck was on the left for balotellis goal, and baines was 2 on 1, he couldn't go ball or player allowing the crosser, candrava I think, time to pick his spot

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Davey boy blue is correct about our rb and the reason we are not having a pop at him is because the players in front of johnson did track back and didn't leave him wide open, I never said baines was a bad player but I am saying most of your lots problems v italy came down that side by rooney then wellbecks inability to protect baines and cover the space which led to the winner against ye.

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16 Jun 2014 09:56:47
Although Argentina were pretty poor last night, Rojo's runs were pretty good at times at LWB, he looks electric, would love him at Liverpool

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{Ed002's Note - Interestingly, when I explained the interest originally all we got was abuse and people saying he was "not good enough for Liverpool". The standard trashing of past, present and potentially future Liverpool players by the posters.}

I am sure he will be a better option than Moreno. We should try to go for him.

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{Ed002's Note - No doubt you will have a number of other players "will should go for" after the next game.}

I think you will find that him not having a very good rating on fifa is the main reason for the bashing on here

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16 Jun 2014 13:34:12
For all our claims of Chelsea and Utd having plastic fans there are a lot of Liverpool ones too. I can't believe the hate Moreno is getting on here. As for Rojo I can't comment, but Moreno is a very good player for sure.

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Persons bar Edd002
Rojo was touted months ago and I said he was a very good player and went into depth with him and fans said he wasnt good enough and use havnt even watched him. The same with shaquiri and bte moreno is a top LB.
Edd I don't know how you can keep your cool half the time

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16 Jun 2014 14:22:09
El

No one is hating Moreno, Nor he is getting a stick. We are actually worried by the stupid amount being spend on players whom would be a huge gamble.
I hope you are the one who still defends the Caroll Purchase, If we would have been 0, 1% careful, Those 36 mill would have been saved.

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Haha I love the way you do that ed! But I bet you were thinking the same ;)

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16 Jun 2014 09:54:00
I wonder if Gerrard has ever thought about this one: He's currently 34 he's probably only got a few of
seasons left in him. I'd hope he gets a job with the club when he eventually hangs up his boots. Liverpool have come close to winning the EPL and could be contending next season if we get in the right players in. What if he agrees to play for Liverpool for nothing
provided his wages go towards bringing in an additional
player into the squad. He could still get payed from image rights, doing adverts on the telly eating three shredded wheat or for iron-bru or even Brut aftershave. But that little bit extra in the LFC kitty could help get another quality player and perhaps finally get him a premiere league medal round his neck. Must be worth a gamble?

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Sadly RedAce, even an honorable footballer like Gerrard would never accept not being paid. Like it or not, they are all just about the money. As a kid he'd have paid to play for Liverpool such was his passion. The money eventually goes to every players head though. Gerrard as much as we put him on a pedestal is no different. If he was he'd be playing for a significantly lower salary than he his.

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16 Jun 2014 10:17:09
What exactly is your point?. Play without a Pay?

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Yeah I'm sure he'd be up for that.
You should get in touch with Lampard too before he moves to America to get paid the most he's ever got in his career. I'm sure he'd stay and play for West Ham for free

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That'll be a fun conversation,
"Hey Stevie, we know you've shown loyalty to us but do you mind if we stop paying your wages to give to other players more money? Don't look at me like that there are plenty of things you can do. I believe Whiston need a new paperboy. "

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Haha that's the best post of the week.

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16 Jun 2014 13:29:07
Would you do your job for free so that your company could employ more people?

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Sorry I know Stevie is on a good whack but if it was about money (and tropheys) he could've gone a few years back.

He could be earning twice the amount he is on currently and would've for a number of years.

We could ask some of the players not playing to give us some cash as well; also maybe if they are injured they don't need to party as much so can save some cash there as well.

Firstly although players want to earn the greatest amount but not all of them are completely in it for the money else they would move clubs all the time.

£6m for a premier league medal he might not get is a big risk as well.

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16 Jun 2014 09:04:52
Hey guys,

I read today on Uefas website that Liverpool are confirmed to be in the 3rd pot for the group stage draws and have a seeding ratio (i believe that's what is called) of 58.949.

Good news as we could have been placed in the 4th pot which would make it very difficult for us to qualify for the next round, not that it already won't be.

Cant wait for cl nights i'm sure everyone is as excited

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16 Jun 2014 09:10:49
Both 3rd and 4th are pretty tough.

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In worst case scenarios we could end up with a group like this:

1. Real Madrid / Barcelona / Bayern
2. Juventus / Borsia Dortmund /PSG
3. Liverpool
4. Monaco / Roma

But best case could be like this:

1. Benfica / Porto
2. Basel / Donesk
3. Liverpool
4. Andelect

Not saying best case is easy just that benfica sounds easier than real madrid

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It will be difficult irrespective of who we are grouped with or not.

Been a while since we have been in the CL plus it will be Rodgers first experience of facing the best teams in Europe.

Can't wait!

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16 Jun 2014 09:43:25
I agree with Max.
We waited all these years to see us playing against Ronaldo, Vidal, Pirlo and Klopp.
Whats the fun in playing against the minnows, Our Rivals will have another dig at us with easy fixtures.

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{Ed002's Note - There are no "rivals" that care Harry.}

I know it depends on who we play and a whole host of other things, but I feel with the squad we have and the way we play, we should have a strong showing in Europe. Most teams would struggle to cope.

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16 Jun 2014 10:07:09
Let's not forget hat the teams in Pots 1 = 2 won't want Liverpool either

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Would you rather lose Premier League (due to fatigue) points playing against Basel and Anderlecht, then get knocked out by the big boys later? Or would you rather play against the big clubs from the start in games worth dropping league points for?

At the end of the day, if we want to win the competition we'll have to beat the Madrids and Barcas at sone point. Doesn't make a difference whether we play them in the groups or the Final, it'll be the same team.

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I am sure those in Pot 1 and 2 will also want to avoid us.

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I think its one step at a time here. We cannot be expected to win cl this season.

What will be beneficial is the cl money and the experience of playing in Europe which most players in the current squad do not have. So making the knockout round would probably be the target for this season.

To do that you would hope for an easier draw in the group stage

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16 Jun 2014 11:45:14
You've got to face the big CL sides at some point, why not in the group stage and get it over and done with and face a minnow (in relative terms that is) in the final?

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C'mon lads, we are Liverpool fc the greatest side in this competition from our shores .there won't be many teams wanting to meet the 5 times European champions .chill out boys we will be all good

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16 Jun 2014 08:10:29
Are we interested in Stefan de Vrij?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

Has he signed for Lazio yet?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

16 Jun 2014 06:35:30
Ed030, what exactly happened to Rene Adler? He was one of the best keepers a few years ago and he is still fairly young for a keeper. He had every thing one would expect from a keeper.

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{Ed002's Note - Sunderland are looking at him.}

16 Jun 2014 01:24:47
Hey eds, I was wondering, if the Moreno deal falls through, is there any chance we may look to revisit Rojo? I know Barca are interested in him also, but just wanted to know if he was still in our thinking?

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Would he be interested after being messed around?}

Messed around? I'm sorry eds I must of missed something. What exactly did we do to him?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool showed interest and then dropped it.}

16 Jun 2014 09:11:59
I agree with Ed here, It clearly shows we are still pretty poor in transfer negotiations. We would go back to Bertrand.

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Liverpool know the price of Moreno, just pay it if your interested. If not don't embarrass yourselves by making low offers.
If Liverpool go for rojo or Bertrand now they will always feel like second best.

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But rojo would probably be a better option than monero. Monero might be very good but has only played one full season with a first team.

Rojo has a couple of seasons under his belt and also 20+ international caps.

For the same price I think Rojo is the one we should be going for

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16 Jun 2014 09:44:13
Rojo is being looked at by Barca.

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16 Jun 2014 11:49:51
So Ed002, are you saying LFC screwed up any chance of Moreno or Rojo joining?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

16 Jun 2014 01:34:46
I hear Lionel Messi may have set a new World Cup record for longest distance walked during a game. His lack of work rate is utterly shocking.

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I would hate to play against him if he's making an effort then.

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16 Jun 2014 08:42:06
Just one of many reasons as to why I prefer Ronaldo.

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16 Jun 2014 09:13:32
Absolutly with RDL. He is not the fantasy some actually believes he is.

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I feel he needs a whole team based around him to really shine.
He gets that at barca but not so much for Argentina.
He's still the most gifted player of his generation though.

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Thank god he sometimes walk during games because if that was not so he would have destroy every team.

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16 Jun 2014 13:19:29
have to disagree with some of the above. harry, not the fantasy some beleive him to be. really? He has the all time goal scoring for barcelona at the age of 25. he is truly a special player.

with regards to him only shining if a team is built around him I would suggest it didn't exactly do barca any harm when they dominated european football in the manner they did. perhaps argentina would benefit more from adopting that approach

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{Ed001's Note - but Barca weren't built around him until recently. Now they are built around him, they are no longer winning things.}

16 Jun 2014 14:02:25
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I have never questioned his abilites, Did I?. He isn't loyal to his club. 9 contracts in past 7 seasons. Y is that no other strikers ( I mean some very good players ) get stick with Barca?
There are list of players been axed by the club for some weird reasons.

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That's the thing though, Mikey. Imagine what he could do if he made any effort. He would be maddening to manage as he literally does nothing at all the vast majority of the time (or at least did nothing yesterday). As soon as Argentina lost the ball in the attack, he made zero effort to win it back. Bosnia would literally pass it within 3 feet of him and he would watch it go by. I have no idea if he's always like that as I rarely watch Barca play, but it would be infuriating to be an Argentina fan and see that.

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15 Jun 2014 21:13:13
Hello Eds and Reds

It is very likely this post will be lost in all the wc fever comments and transfer rumours but I would like to ask about current situation in our youth academy. The sackings of Frank McParland (Academy Director) and Rodolfo Borrell (Academy Technical Director) last November was very surprised for me. Some other coaches then left with them. Honestly, I felt disappointment and anger as I consider Borrel as a really good youth coach and I was waiting for some explanation. I tried UTSF and RTP but I did not find all answers or explanations. Some rumors on internet said they were sacked because they were in talks with Man City while still under contract with LFC another said it is probably a change in direction. I don't even know whos decision it was, whether Rodgers or management. I can only imagine they feel that it could be better, who knows what goes on behind closed doors, could be political issues or that they did not work well with Rodgers regime. I was however very surprised to see both go. From all accounts Borrell did an excellent job. Sterling, Suso, Ibe, Wisdom, Flannagan made a great progress under his charge. Rodgers appointed the highly regarded Alex Inglethorpe (the former Spurs U18s coach) as the U21s coach. Is he now on the top of the academy hierarchy? How do you rate him? There was a lot of speculation that Dalglish could assume a role as head of the academy. It is nice idea to bring in a legend on this position but I am not sure whether it helps us. So if you have any information and it is not secret or too sensitive for this forum, can you please explain what happened, what are the plans in direction of our academy and plans with free positions after McParland and Rudolfo Borell? Thank you.
YNWA

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{Ed001's Note - Inglethorpe is on top and at least one was sacked for talking to Citeh, though it is likely they would have had to go anyway to move the club over to the way the club plays. The club wanted the whole system to have a philosophy right the way through, which differed from the way the staff had them playing. Inglethorpe is very highly rated, but it is difficult to judge youth coaches until they have had the chance to work with a full generation of players coming through the academy. I honestly don't know what the plan is with Dalglish, it is difficult as he is such a respected figure, you don't want him to be seen as being slighted in any way. I would not expect him to be involved as any more than a figurehead to be honest.}

15 Jun 2014 20:49:26
Eds, after McParland and Borrell were sacked, who took charge of their positions?

Also what exactly forced Liverpool to sack them, I can't seem to remember exactly.

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{Ed001's Note - no one specifically took over, Alex Inglethorpe was given more responsibility though. I can't remember one hundred percent whether it was one or both that were removed for talking to Citeh.}

 
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