Liverpool Banter Archive November 16 2012

 

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16 Nov 2012 23:40:10
Correct me if im wrong but the day Brennan rod gers was prpresented at anfield we were told by our chairman that Liverpool can compete for and player in the world.
So my point is. Why not cavani . Im no transfer expert but if he cost 30m and we got 20m for Carroll 3m for downing and 1m for Cole . We would have a net spend of 6m. Plus a Hugh cut in wages .
Ive read eds saying " Liverpool don't buy stars we make them" which is very much true for the past few years but ." Liverpool don't finish 8th in the league that's not our way. So we either buy a star or we continue to finish in 8th place.
I for one know which one id choose.
Istanbul 05 taskim sq. A banner read. " your dreams are our reality " my all time favourite .
Please don't let our dreams become reality for others

Marker


Cavani would be £40 plus, want champions league and massive wages. Stop dreaming.

Papa G


You do realise all the money made from player sales would not go directly back into purchasing players right? This isnt having a dig, but it would be a step backwards for Cavani to join LFC at this time. Napoli are competing for the Seria A title. Liverpool are hopeful of getting 4th in prem. not to mention the wages he would expect. You will not sign him because if he is available other clubs with a greater chance of success in the present would move for the player. Chelsea and RM are two clubs that have been vigilant in their pursuit of the player.

Melbourne CFC


Melbourne, how can u say joining Liverpool is a step down? One of the largest, most well known and loved clubs in the world is clearly not a step down... Just an absurd thing to say my friend.

phillyred


We would like Messi too but why would he or Cavani come to Liverpool? The only reason Cavani would move is if one of the sugar daddy clubs went for him and gave him 200k a week. We don't have enough to offer the highest profile players at present - simple as that. You may well as ask why Van Persie isn't considering a move to Stockport.

cozinoz


Please shut up about players with exorbitant pricetags. We cannot afford them. End!


Phillyred if you read my post, rather than jumping down my throat you will see I said I wasn't having a dig, and it would be a step down AT PRESENT. If you truly believe in current footballing terms, Liverpool would be a step up, and would offer Cavani more chance at winning silverware presently, then you are deluded. Although reading down the page, you wouldn't be out of place on here. At least people like me old mate cozinoz can understand.

Melbourne CFC


17 Nov 2012 13:05:54
So because Chelski and RM has "interest" that means its a no go?
It's a no go Melbourne because of money,nothing else. Should yourselves and RM not come in for him,and we were to offer him great wages,i think he'd consider the offer. If nobody moved for a player because the illustrious Chelski have some level of "interest" then god help us all.
Before you start Melbourne,i also dont think he's a viable signing,but not for the reasons you state.
WelshBoyDavec


I'm not jumping down your throat, I just dont understand after reading his agents comments about how he doesnt play for money etc,etc how you could write off a move to one of the biggest clubs in the world... I understand the fact that it most likely wont happen but doesnt mean its impossible...

phillyred


Ok WelshBoy I'll comply. He won't be coming because your club is skint. But to debate on what you think his personal preference would be, is neither here nor their. Neither of us have a clue. You are talking in ifs mate, whereas I am talking in facts. Chelsea were offered Higuan by RM in January, if we agreed to drop our pursuit of Cavani. We declined. You just keep thinking that Suarez getting in his ear, will have any bearing whatsoever. Laughable

Melbourne CFC


17 Nov 2012 16:05:58
Your arguement is as subjective as mine. The premise that he cant be considered a target because he's supposedly a target for you is silly. Chelsea have clearly passed up the chance to sign him,or have failed to make the final push,for whatever reason. As have Real Madrid. Who's to say if we offered him acceptable terms and he didn't have offers,he'd turn us down? Given the choice,he may choose RM ahead of you,more speculation i know,but you've waded into an arguement that is purely conjecture,as neither of us look likey to sign him.
I never mentioned Suarez mate,that's immaterial.
Who's to say he wouldn't fancy a challenge in the EPL? Not all players are aroused by moneybags ya know.
WelshBoyDave


 

 

16 Nov 2012 18:20:33
Ed002 do you think remy could be a possible signing in jan if we show some interest? he is not getting much game time and would fit that wide foward role {Ed002's Note - I really dom't see it.}


 

 

16 Nov 2012 21:52:47
Hi Eds, fellow Reds,
I know Cavani seems like a dream, I certainly haven't bought into anything I've read on here that involves a player like him. However, this has just cropped up on the Liverpool blogs, allegedly an interview for El Telegrafo with Cavani's agent Claudio Annellucci:

''There's been alot of interest the past 6 months, and we just want to do whats best for him. Liverpool and Arsenal are the first clubs Cavani have agreed to open talks with.''

''It's no secret Edin (Cavani) want's to play in England, it is one of his biggest dreams.

Claudio on Cavani being linked with City and Chelsea:

''I know him personally and how he deals with the situation, success and glory has nothing to do with the club he plays for. He plays football because that's what he loves to do. Big money and success is no attraction for him''

He's good friends with Luis Suarez and I'd imagine he gets on well with Coates. We've made massive movements in terms of increasing our fanbase in Uruguay and no doubt Suarez could sell Liverpool to him. You see just how well them two play together on international duty, it's probably the most lethal strikeforce in the world at the minute. Is it even remotely possible? I remember the owners saying that we had the backing to compete with any club, but right now we're just trying to be financially sound but when a player like this comes available you've got to be in at least. Sorry to bore you with the same old questions. Cheers for any response.

Severance


"We've made massive movements in terms of increasing our fanbase in Uruguay".

I doubt it m8.

Uruguay has a very small population - around 3m off the top of my head - I doubt that gaining fans in Uruguay is a central planning point.

(Not many of them - they sure can play ball though...)

But Cavani is a god. He's at Suarez' level - one of the top 10 players in the World imo.

I hope Luis could talk him into it - but it's a dream. If he really doesn't care about the money - I'd love to see him play for us.

A pipe-dream though.... You shouldn't toy with my emotions with your little quotes, nudges and winks. lol.

BJH YNWA


Awe man please don't tease me with these posts. Having the two of them up front with sterling would be mouthwatering.
derryred


I would love to have Cavani at Liverpool, it'd be a dream come true, but I just can't see it happening. His agent selling the old 'he plays football for football, not money' line could be said by any agent mate, no agent will come out and say, 'Yeah [Player X] is just out for the money.'

If teams like Chelsea and City come in with enormous bids there's absolutely nothing we could do. They're higher in the table and they could offer higher wages, as well as CL football, which is what every footballer is after I imagine. I wish I could still subscribe to the philosophy that players move for anything more than a quick buck but unfortunately it's all about the cash now. When Trevor Francis went for £1m my great grandad said that was when football became a business, and money talks.

We can all dream though pal, if there's one thing us Liverpool fans are good at (regardless of the amount of moaning, whining little girls on this website) it's staying positive and keeping the faith! I'm just hoping we buy an effective striker, regardless of his status in the international market.

JFT 96

JP


Cavani is a good player but to say he is on the same level as Suarez is just not true.
When Forlan partnered Suarez upfront for Uruguay more often than not Cavani was left on the bench. Also Cavani's goalscoring stats for Uruguay are nowhere near as good as Suarez. Beware of players scoring goals in Italy


Well said JP.

Reusch


Respectfully, Cavani is on Suarez' level.

I remember Cavani playing in midfield for Uruguay too - when he came off the bench at the World Cup I thought 'who is this genius'.

He has changed his game a lot as managers have realised just how great he is.

Across the front 3 or as a No.10 Cavani is incredible. Not many players have the ability to play as a lone striker, out wide or as a No.10.

Different types of player but both are top 10 attacking players in the World imo.

BJH YNWA


 

 

16 Nov 2012 21:32:04
this is were we are at,,we wasted more money in last transfer window,didnt buy the goal scorer we needed,,now every1 say we,ll be ok wen jan comes,,thats plain stupid,ie dempsey,we couldnt afford the 6mill transfer fee,,so whats changed,unless carroll goes for 20mil& downing for at least 9mill (optimistic )&cole 3r4mill then maybe we can bring two top notch strikers in ,but cant see it happening,,well accorrding to our manager finishing 7th would be fantastic ,so heres hoping suarez doesant get injured against wigan 2moro& we get awin IRISH RED


Oh and Dempsey's banging them in isn't he?


I take the Dempsey point, if we bought him, things would have been different i believe.

He may not have been perfect or ''long term'' but he's a clever footballer and knows what the Prem is all about and can score, irrelevant if he isn't hitting it off at Spurs, or banging them in.

We could have had a bargain player who bagged 22 goals last season for quite a cheap rate. AVB is incompetent tactically and Dempsey can't really be faulted for not being a good signing after such a short time has passed, with him playing almost a bit role, again due to the manager who apparently wanted to sign him and that same manager's decisions to keep him on the side lines.


We didn't pay the 6 mil because he's simply not worth it we had a price in mind and they wanted 6 and I'm glad we didn't sign him just for the sake of it we've had enough of them sort of signings.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 20:37:21
Daily Mail flogging 'Ince to Liverpool for £5M'
Surely it is time they were reported to the Leveson enquiry for starting crap fairytales


 

 

16 Nov 2012 20:18:04
Is Agger injured for tomorrow's game? Anyone? Ed?

The Irish Rover {Ed001's Note - he is reportedly fit.}


 

 

16 Nov 2012 18:45:13
Will someone please tell me that the Tom Ince story isn't true?

Len


Its not true


If that's true I'll dip my head in liquid nitrogen and have a go at a round of mallet's mallet with a lump hammer. Think I'm pretty safe though.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


2 disagrees - is that a "no" or do you disagree with the sentiment?


I think the editors made it clear that liverpool had interest in phillips rather than ince. I think it all comes from the game rodgers was at.
derryred


Its true. just want to see the lump hammer thingy

gee man


 

 

16 Nov 2012 18:36:02
I know there are lots of people getting excited about a big, superstar new signing but forget it. Our financial position is dire. We would have sold Agger, we tried to loan Henderson on deadline day to get him off the wage bill and the signings BR has made shows the market he's operating in. Lack of CL football has killed us and Kenny's signings created an even bigger problem. I've been told we ended up with just 2m from the Adam deal and that if big offers come in for Suarez, Sterling etc they would be sold as offloading Cole, Downing, Henderson etc won't change the overall picture enough - see Adam example. All would go for less than their book price and would end up at clubs who would pay them less hence we'd need to compensate player for the difference. I'm not trying to be a doom-monger but this is what I hear. I guess we'll see...

PieInTheSkyMan


I think your name says it all...

Deano95


I think you are hitting all the wrong points....
The truth is something else....

I dont think the owners would want to be in a state where the value of their investment decreases considerably.....

Top of their agenda is to structure the wage bill in such a way that players contribute equal to the value of their pay scale.....

That in essence is good......

What is NOT GOOD DEFINITELY is the way BRENDAN RODGERS has handled this transition and if things dont work out the way he wants to, fans may well get impatient....

I am not a big fan of the man management of Brendan Rodgers...His approach to lowering the wage bill has been nothing short of catastrophic...The value of so many of our players has plummeted due to the poor handling of Brendan Rodgers...He has asset stripped the squad's value by not being clever enough to play them and talking them up....Look at Fergie, he even sold a 32 year old PARK for 2 milllion....Isnt a 26 yr old Charlie Adam much much more than 4 million?.....

His game management, midfield coaching, media management (in terms of interviews), communication are his plus points..

But his man-management, defensive & final third coaching/strategy leaves a lot to be desired........

I will support him but I am finding it difficult to believe how we have been made fools of, when we are told that so many players bought for such great amount of money are worthless now....

Some people can digest that....i find it difficult

LiverBird


I hated the fact that we NEEDED to qualify for the CL every year. We were clearly treading water at that point. At least now we are moving towards living within our means. Sorry fifa kids but you're probably not gonna appreciate this viewpoint...ever. Times have changed.

Len


Liverbird - is Rogers REALLY asset stripping the club? Does the amount his players get paid REALLY affect his work? I think you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction mate

cozinoz


How can you get more than 4m for Adam after his performances for us?


A simple example to prove my point...

The transfer value of Spearing was next to nothing when Kenny joined...He played him and then his transfer value went north...

But do you think its the same today?...I dont think so....

This is what I mean by asset stripping...
Look at Carroll...Kenny would have talked him up and then sold him to a high bid...Going around saying "players are no good to my playing style" to the media never helps you......

LiverBird


 

 

16 Nov 2012 17:26:04
can you please put a ban on the name Torres. everyday i come on here see another person saying Torres is returning then promtly get furious. I think i may start breaking things if i see his name again and again and agian.

ElRobbeNino


Any chance of torres from atletico bilbao.Tommy Irish Red


Torres would be welcome back by me .


 

 

16 Nov 2012 16:59:30
Hi eds Good afternoon to all

Was watching a website this morning and every friday morning they have Tony Gale on drooling over Alex quinn and to give his expert footballing opinion now he keeps saying we have only 2 players capable of doing anything suarez gerrard, now im no great knowledge of football but i personally think we are in a false league position. lack of personell may be a problem but we have a bit more quality than the likes of him and r ex player Lawrenson give us credit for.Do fellow reds agree our are these so called experts right ps if they were right all the time utd wouldnt drop a single point all season.Tommy Irish Reds.


They both seem to have biased opinions and my cat's smarter than Lawrenson, some of the thing's he's said in the passed just make you laugh.


Second class players wont get better just because we want them to .


There the only 2 most likely to get goals for us or assists. We have good players in skrtel and Agger and Johnson really improved last 18 months and Lucas. It's the goal getting players I think he was on about and at the moment he's right Suarez is doing it all. But Rodgers has had 1 transfer window and hasn't been backed like Kenny so the squad is weak and average but give these youngsters a whole season and they will benefit big time next year and sterling and Suso will add goals to there games to. I do think the squad is as weak as its been for a good while. But that's because of quick changes in managers and not fancying other managers buys so keep chopping and changing.


Lawrenson seems to be making an entire career our of slating Liverpool. His BBC predictions page is point in question, always very negative and rarely predicts a liverpool win (except this weekends fixture against Wigan). He seems to have forgotten his roots, the man is becoming really annoying!

Devon Red {Ed001's Note - it is his roots that make him that way, he is a Man Utd fan.}


Lawrenson tells the truth and we do not like it , ed001 he supports preston.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 16:36:23
Eds, can you tell me what the situation is with Torres please?

I JOKE! Why don't you just not post all the Torres rumours? Any one with an IQ of 2 can see that Torres will not return to Liverpool any time soon.


I'd be embarrassed to have Torres if I were a chelsea fan, kind of feel bad for them


 

 

16 Nov 2012 16:30:05
Eds do you think there is any chance at all of Torres returning in January? Thanks {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}


We need a striker who scores goals , why do we want an over payed drip like him ??...........andy.


We made him and he helped us it is a mutual benefit


I hear we are looking to sign Maradona and Pele.


Torres was an established player for Spain and in La Liga. He was already a super star which is why there was mass elation when he signed and he was also Atletico Captain at a very young age with a huge burden of hopeful and expected fans, much like our Gerrard has supposedly had at Liverpool.

Torres was already a top player when he arrived, which is why he topped the foreign player's debut season goal tally which the record was previously held by Ruud Van Nistlerooy. So he had huge calibre and was able to gracefully explode out of the blocks as soon as he arrived in the Premier League.

We bought the most complete striker available at the time, in my opinion. He and Gerrard were terrific and, as a purest i think he should have stayed put and got back to his best. Not move for mega money and rubbish on any type of legacy he was building for himself.

But then i'm a Liverpool fan and am pretty blind to the fact no Champions League seems to dampen all positive spirits when we are so accustom to qualifying and doing so well in it.

BoriniCanDoIt.


Continued... This is why i get so infuriated with Rodgers 'poker game' ''It's going to take a lot of time'' I don't believe it does need to take time. 4th spot has been there for the taking for the last three years.

Arsenal are in even a more precarious position than Liverpool were when they lost Champs League under the last year of Benitez's regime. Arsenal have lost genuinely quality players every year it seems, sometimes as the last few years have shown us all, nearly half a team left for Man City, Barca and United. Yet they still grasp hold of qualifying for Champions League.

Being patient maybe be necessary for the Swansea approach, as they can only build forward and gain a larger fan base and finances from their time in the Premiership. Reading is much in the same position, only battle hardened with the scars of relegation. Liverpool are not in the same position, in fact it is right at the other end of the spectrum.

The Newcastle manager Alan Pardew has actually come out and said they are going for a fourth place finish, Liverpool's young and hungry manager, newly appointed says ''it's going to take time''. Sending out the wrong signals, in my opinion. ...


Br is playing mind games by saying if we finish 10th it will be good because then if we finish 6th we are all expected to say fantastic what a great finish, its lowering our expectations and causing delight with any thing better.


We are all down because we used to have great players and were classed up there with the best now after competing in two euro finals in quick sucession we are where we are now , owners who seem to make mistake after mistake and in my opinion do not have the real desire to win with lfc , i do not want them to spend spend spend but i want them there were it shows i.e at the match supporting the team . fsg please show your real intentions get with us in the time of need, then we will reap the positives. red mick tag . ynwa.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 16:21:46
January transfer business
Ins
Theo Walcott 6m
Mario Balotelli 12m
Ryan Shawcross 5m
Outs
Stewart Downing 6m
Jose Enrique 4m


Ballotelli 12m ????????? enough said..................andy.


Why on Earth would Balotelli come to Liverpool. Get real


Haha! These names look like they have been picked from a tombola!

Nick


Clearly you've been playing Football Manager to long pal.
Theo W will not go for less than 10/12million
Ryan Shawcross - wont be let go for less than 10m and maybe more considering his England call and the fact he's there linchpin
Balotelli- if you know Liverpool you'll know we do due dilligence on the majority of our targets about behaviour and attitude etc so how the **** do u think we'll tolerate this lads unprofessional joke personna? pfft
Outs
Down Symdrome probably correct here about price
Enrique again probably bang on


Didn't man city turn down a bid for ballotelli in the summer for about 30m? Why would they accept 12?

MIKEY


18m for Balotelli? more like 28m


Ballo

Would want 200k plus per week

Can you see peeny pinching Henry paying that?


Shawcross, 5 million? Are you talking about the cost of his bail?
derryred


17 Nov 2012 10:25:58
If Theo goes for 12 Mil,with 6 months left on his contract,i'll be amazed. Arsenal don't really have much of a haggling option.
WelshBoyDave


 

 

16 nov 2012 16:14:14
hi eds,
not a rumour but more a question.do any of you have a sneaky feeling or liking for a player not yet mentioned but possible and if so why (that is if you can say).

many thanks

dub96 {Ed002's Note - I don't, but I have always suspected that a couple of the Eds do have what one might consider a crush on certain players.}


I always liked Tuncay Sanli - he would be mine....and i wont share him with anyone!


Love the reply ed , oh and when are torres AND cavani joining ??.....(h)........andy. {Ed001's Note -


 

 

16 Nov 2012 16:01:59
La Liga winner twice, Uefa Cup champion, Champions League winner, World Clup winner, F A Cup winner. Another top post by Johnb.

The Irish Rover


16 Nov 2012 17:14:09
Rafael benitez honours

La Liga champion-2001-02
La Liga champion-2003-04
Uefa cup-2003-04
Uefa champions league-2004-05
Uefa super cup-2005
Fa cup-2005-06
Fa community shield-2006
Supercoppa italiana-2010
Fifa club world cup-2010

Individual awards

Don Balon award (1) 2002
Uefa manager of the year (2) 2003-04,2004-05
Premier league manager of the month (5) November-2005, December-2005, January-2007,October-2008, March-2009

Haters look at consecutives trophy he won from 2001


Just watch Rodgers go

Soon enough he will conquer all before him and make RAFA look incompetent

Ah yes BR is King


Doesn't stand up against brendon Rodgers , portfolio though ..... He's won 2 things this year . what i here you ask ? 2 Games against the bottom 5 teams Europe here we come .......NOT {Ed001's Note - yes Rodgers has a job and Rafa is out of work.....}


Great admirer of benitez tbh, but also wondering what did he win before 2001, what year did he start in management etc. What I am trying to say is he had to start somewhere. I genuinely feel Rodgers will be great for us given time.


And?

Redjinal


 

 

16 Nov 2012 15:38:12
Liverpool are still one of the most attractive opportunities for a footballer in world football . If a footballer is wanting to be recognised as a star worldwide then Liverpool are one of the clubs that can help them do that with our support in places in Asia .

Fans need to remember that at the start of last season we had £100m of new players that looking back now was wasted . KK and camolli trying to sign young British talents that would progress . Which hasn't happened . If BR had took over last season and with the money that was available we would have been in the CL if not last season then defiantly pushing for it this season . Plus the players we would have signed would have been of better standard . Watching the football we are playing in 5 months of taking over BR is the man to take us back to the top . He does still need to get rid of some dead wood but also needs the funds to buy . We need to make a statement this window . But also as supporters we must pull in the same direction and support the team .

YNWA

Jamesy {Ed002's Note - Who would Liverpool be making a "statement" to? I would try and avoid the use of the term "deadwood" James. It is pretty disrespectful.}


Have to agree with Ed002. We have players who do not fit the system. They may be just what another team needs. You buy a player, you take a chance, not everyone works out. aklfc


Ed 002 I agree with most of your comments but some of then I find you to be the biggest hipicrit ever! 'deadwood is something which you referee to many times over the summer if you spoke to me in real life the way you speak to half the people on here I wouldn't hesitate to give you a left hook YNWA {Ed002's Note - You are dumb as a box of rocks. I have never used "deadwood" as a term other than in a manner to teach the cretins like you that it is inappropriate.}


I don't like that term myself ed, sometimes people just don't think ed its not what goes into the mouth it's what comes out of it.


No, they are deadwood. It's not disrespectful, it's the truth.

{Ed002's Note - I rather suspect the older Liverpool older supporters who prided themselves on the SUPPORT they gave to a great club and it's players are embarrassed by the, I very much suspect, new age supporters like you who no doubt drag their humungous asses to the pub each week to scream obscenities at a television set.}


Agree ed002 perhaps I could have used a better phrase . What I mean is to sell players who don't perform . And just a statement to others that we can still attract great players .

YNWA

Jamesy {Ed002's Note - Right James, if players don't perform they will move on at some point. Nobody cares or is interested in any "statements" at all though. Were you impressed by Southampton's "statement" this summer? I doubt it.}


I have said this before , and i will say it again (yawn) ; i support liverpool football club and WHOEVER puts on the shirt on a matchday gets my support its "fans" (you dont know the meaning of the word) like you who make us look stupid , so here is a new concept for you SUPPORT THE TEAM or go and support rubbishty..............andy.


Joe cole gets paid 100,000k a week for sitting on his bottom eating the clubs wages and goving nothing in return.

If sum1 was camping in ur house not working eating, using electric with their mess lying all around the house not contributing and u paid for EVERYTHING wpuld u call him a lazy slob or not? And would one be entitled to call him one?

Players like adam, downing etc who try hard do not deserve to be called that but imo players like joe cole kinda do esp when they reject to move away in the summer to benefit the club


Andy . Who are you aiming your rant at . If it's me jamesy then read my original post I ask for supporters to pull in the same direction . I also support every player who pulls on the shirt . But I bet you you have a prefered starting 11 and I bet it's very much like my first starting 11 . I also say that I used the wrong phrase when stating that we should get rid of deadwood that I was wrong ( in a reply to ed002 ) . I also found a post from ed002 where he states to get rid of deadwood but it seem like no one else can post " deadwood" as its disrepectful ?

Jamesy {Ed001's Note - or perhaps you have missed the point he was making when he said about it. Sometimes I wonder if anyone can actually understand what they read? It was blatantly obvious to anyone with sense he was being ironic about the posts referring to deadwood.}


'Deadwood' is a term, long used in footballing conversation, used to describe players that are no longer of any use or benefit to the club.

Such as Joe Cole.

Disrespectful?

I think him getting circa-100k a week is and not being fit enough to last 90 mins is disrespectful.

PC gone mad imo.

BJH YNWA


Hi Ed002, long time no text! I suppose I must fall into the category of older supporters who were brought up to respect EVERYONE, including our own players.

All the players we have were bought in good faith with great hope that they could fit into our system. Its never always possible unfortunately, and some of the players may move on. The fact that they havnt quite worked out with us doesnt make them 'poor' or 'deadwood', it is just unfortunate for everyone, the player included.

Time we stood up, showed our class and get on with supporting 'our' team, no matter who the manager picks. We are Liverpool, we have had our share of highs and lows....but we are still Liverpool supporters first and foremost. We should never disrespect anyone , especially our own.

Totally behind you ED002.... whip the younguns into shape, they need leadeship !!

Tel 1949


 

 

16 Nov 2012 15:34:00
I've just seen the photos of Lucas in training. Don't expect him back in a hurry - judging by the 1st photo he has gained a gut and a double-chin!
Hopefully it's just a bad photo. Personally I think that he is going to help the team to have a great second half of the season leading up to even greater things next season. KTF
Ben Terug {Ed002's Note - Sounds like an old picture with Roy Hodgson in it.}


You shouldn't LISTEN to it Ed002 - you should LOOK at it. You should look at the other photos as well - I'm sure that Assaidi and Rodgers weren't at Liverpool at the same time as Roy Hodgson! Groetjes
Ben Terug


Wow, comical irony is dead and buried. Ben Turug killed it.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 15:10:23
Ed's what are the chances we will sign a world class player in January? Great site by the way! {Ed002's Note - "World class" is an entirely subjective term."


That means no chance

Yvonne


 

 

16 Nov 2012 14:29:58
is it true jen chaung (spelling) has left the club?

bigW


I've seen that as well. Another great piece of PR work by the club. What on earth was he doing by allegedly threating Duncan Jennings, he had to go.


We need a UK based communications guy. Someone who works in the football world. Not some person who thinks Twitter is the way to get a message across. Bejesus. Let's get something right for a change. aklfc {Ed002's Note - I vote for Ed001.}


We need to get ayres out , then appoint two sensible people to help move the club forward...........andy.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 14:17:21
Ed002 and Kidmillions.......what is this talk of Cavani? Have I missed something?

K.Bennett {Ed002's Note - Even with the power of the Internet, we are unable to tell what you have missed K, if I can call you that.}


Of course you can call me K, Ed002 :). Haha fair enough, ill be more specific...

Are LFC attempting to purchase Cavani?

K.Bennett {Ed002's Note - No KB they are not.}


Thanks Ed002. How are you anyway? Having a good Friday? Oh and please give Ed001 my best wishes

K.Bennett {Ed002's Note - I am having a not to nifty day as I have a commitment to travel somewhere I would rather not at the end of next week. I will wake Ed001 up and let him know that you are thinking of him.}


I'm sorry to hear that Ed002. I hope that you don't have to go through too much of an ordeal next week! And for the record, I'm thinking of you too :)

K.Bennett


 

 

16 Nov 2012 14:11:30
i see poor personel decisions and poor signings by rodgers.at least dalgish was ambtious in his signings and created excitement. and i still dont see why allen is considered better than henderson.


Did you not watch Andy Carroll play?

Mighty reds


Your easily excited mate!

JJ


Have u seen Downing play....exciting my apse person lol


I have been to more exiting balet show


So hendo is better than allen ? seriously , are you really watching how allen plays? he's offering himself to everyone , he makes himself available to everyone. ah yes, torres stoles the ball from him last week and puts us in danger , but do you really see anyone of liverpool player that make theirself available to pass ? no ! allen is outnumbered and noone really makes theirself available. i'm sick of someone who says that they're leverpool fans but didnt realize how hard allen has been playing for us ...

evan , Indonesia , YNWA


 

 

16 Nov 2012 14:05:48
i keep seeing questions with top players being linked to liverpool. why would any big player want to come to liverpool with our mediocre results and with small ambitions of being a top half team?


It's pretty obvious from what I can see that the ambition is there in spades. The money has been there, but wasn't spent on players that fit into BR's style of play. How much more money will become available, we will have to wait and see. Don't try and tell me that the club has no ambition to get back to the top though. Just going to have to be done the old fashioned way, that's all! We've not got a sheikh to buy anyone we dream of, but I still believe we can get back to the top. Have faith brother.

Nick


 

 

16 Nov 2012 13:44:26
FACT - Rafa is a proven world class Manager. I hope Rodgers succeeds but have reservations. What exactly has he won? Yes - sweet FA!

Instead of dismissing Rafa like a worn out shoe - you should be begging for him to return if (when) Rodgers finally leaves.

Red4Life -you need to see a Doctor - your amnesia is getting worse. Just to jog your memory - we won Europe's top trophy in a thriller in Istanbul - under Rafa. Now we just watch other teams competing for it on the telly! I'm not blaming Rodgers for that but the worst start to a season since the 50's doesn't exactly justify your optimism.

redmersey

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redmersey

First of all, if anyone thinks or hopes Rafa is coming back then they are living in La La Land. I am not trying to be horrible towards Rafa, it just won't happen again. It is best you move on and live in the now, not the past.

Secondly, Rafa took over a squad that had qualified for the CL the previous season so we were a CL team before Rafa took the job. We won the CL in 04/05 but in that same season we finished 5th in the league behind Everton which means we did not qualify for the CL in 05/06 but were given grace by the FA for winning it that year to take part in 05/06.

Now you want to come and compare Rodgers and our current situation with the situation we were in when Rafa took the job in 2004 when we were already a CL team and part of the top 4 before Rafa took the job. You clearly are not seeing the bigger picture and th task at hand for Rodgers and to ask what he has won and then ridicule him shows that you can't add 2+2 as Rodgers has only really started his career recently...

Our decline started in Rafa's final season, he had his chance but now Rodgers deserves his and I will back him all the way.

Your 'Rafa will return' mentality is going to get you nowhere. MOVE ON!

Red4Life


Question? What had Rafa or any other Manager for that matter ever Won! before they ever Won anything? Answer? Nothing.
You have to start somewhere. We've had years of Ferguson,Wenger the Chelsea millions and now the City millions it won't and can't last forever with just the same Clubs and Managers on the Magical Roundabout! There's a new breed of Managers coming through not just here but throughout Europe. Brendan Rodgers is one of these New Managers. Dortmund took a chance on Klopp look how that's working out for them.
kidmillions


Kindly explain one thing - after the debacle of our last season with him, the mess he made at Inter Milan turning a Serie A winnng side to almost mid table why do you say RAFA is a world class manager.

Don't know whether you've actually noticed but numerous jobs have been available in all the top leagues in Europe since his last sacking.

The man is still out of work - because he has been found out, his ego is bigger than his talent.

John B


John B your obviously a chelsea fan who wouldnt remember any of the fantastic times Rafa brought either that or you just started following Liverpool very recenty.I wouldnt like to see him back but will never forget champions league semi finals and finals,carling and fa cup finals,hammering the s**t out of united,beating quality sides like chelsea,barcelona, juventus,real and being one of the most feared teams around
NAVANRED


Johns B
are you for real?? got found out? all these lies and damn lies constantly being put forward by these plastic fly by night fans is quite disturbing; Rafa had one bad season with us; he was restricted in what he could do by the melt down behind the scenes! the Inter Milan team you refer to needed to be rebuilt as it had ageing stars who where very lucky to win the EC and over achieved under Mourinho; what he wante to was start the rebuild process sooner rather than later. Rafa will always be a legend, stop reading the tabloids mate! a true fan will never forget what Rafa did for this club!

YNWA


I agree, Rafa did well at Liverpool and his tactical awareness is second to none. However, I can see where BR is trying to take us and i have great faith we'll return to the top of the pile under his stewardship. Just never mind the part time 'fans', Liverpool supporters understand what's going on


John B does make a valid point.

There have been many jobs along the line since Rafa was sacked at Inter but Rafa is still without a job.

We know that he applied for the Villa job in 2011 but nothing happened there either.

Rafa has a very bad reputation when it comes to owners of clubs so that is counting against him big time. Fell out with Valencia, LFC and Inter's owners and the boardroom battles always ended up in the media as Rafa just did not know when to stop moaning. Rafa gave the media reasons to tear him apart. His last famous words of "I guarantee fourth" came to bite him in the behind.

I do not hate Rafa but thanks but no thanks to him coming back.

Red4Life


Rafa made us the No.1 ranked team in Europe. Can't call that a fluke!!
H&G destroyed the club not Rafa.
We have him to thank for getting rid of that incompetent buffoon Rick Parry.
It was also Rafa that highlighted exactly what H&G were doing to the club.
I think BR is doing a great job and will be a success as long as he is given time and not judge on others mistakes. He has only had 11 league games don't forget.
I want him to be a success.
If he fails for whatever reason then I would love Rafa back at the club.


Why dont you get a RAFA top ? oh yeah he is not a football club ,(doh) still liverpool would have to join the cue for him as he is so highly sort after...........andy.


Im really starting to hate people who start a sentence with' FACT ' come o guys we had enough facts with rafa.
rb


In Rafa's first 2 seasons the football we were playing was atrocious! It was horrible to watch and it took him 3 years to actually build a credible team to compete. We have given Rodgers 3 months and are already on his back. Let Rodgers build a team. He has the right base but now he needs some investment for some top class players like Rafa got with Torres.

BthekingB


I too was a fan of Benitez and was disappointed when he went..but for God's sake - that boat has sailed.
No more mentions of Benitez OR Torres
or I won't read this anymore. Then how will you feel?

Puzzled


 

 

16 Nov 2012 13:27:09
Ed's...

Anything further on this announcement? Is it regarding a transfer?

Cheers...

RobbehLFC. {Ed002's Note - There is no announcement.}


 

 

16 Nov 2012 13:23:32
suarez is a great player and i want him too stay,but if man c is willing to pay 60mil we be fools not to take that money.
we need to rebuild the ground.
downing cole and caroll proberly will leave 20mil.
thats 80 mil + what the owners will give.
left back
2 strikers
winger
midfielder.
what i am trying to say is suarez was bought for 9mil euro from groningen to ajax 3 years ago.
ajax bought erikson and fisher(will be a worldbeater in 2 years time) for 4 mil,they can spot a star early on.
thats what we should be doing lets buy the next stars we will playing for the league in 2/3 years time.
we made the wrong moves the last years.
lets forget cavani ect ect,lets find the new ones.


Yes 100 mil..
who will come to us
cavani, huntelaar, aguero, or falcao...
to play alongside, shelvey, henderson and allen
and to compete once again for yop 4. or to play in europa league


 

 

16 Nov 2012 13:20:45
Has anyone heard any talk linking KK to the Scotland job?


Heard something the other day kenny was 22/1 for job worth a punt


 

 

16 Nov 2012 12:53:44
Hi eds and reds!

Are we interested in E.Cavani?His agent has been quoting ''There's been alot of interest the past 6 months, and we just want to do whats best for him. Liverpool and Arsenal are the first clubs Cavani have agreed to open talks with.''
''It's no secret Edin (Cavani) want's to play in England, it is one of his biggest dreams.
Claudio on Cavani being linked with City and Chelsea:
''I know him personally and how he deals with the situation, succes and glory has nothing to do with the club he plays for. He plays football because that's what he loves to do. Big money and succes is no attraction for him'' - Cavani's agent Claudio Annellucci in a interview with El Telegraf.Just a rumour so???

Aneesh


This may be true, however a move to Madrid would mean money, success, a fantastic manager and a beautiful place to live.

Rafa's Purple Goatie


Madrid is actually not a fabulous place to live - the city is suffering very badly from Spains current problems.

And anyway Madrid players, especially the foreign ones live nowhere near the city and live in virtual isolation in their mega rich residences.


Barca is better more open and sea.


I would say there's something special about Liverpool though, a freindly atmosphere. Lots of top players seem to settle very well here, Suarez ,Torres, Alonso.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 11:46:36
I have it on good authority that Cavani will be signing in Jan. My source Ed002 says its nailed on.

xXx {Ed002's Note - I only said 85%. Kidmillions said "nailed on".}


Jokers the lot of ya


Ed002 Don't drag me into it:):) I was only joking, now if you had said 90% I would have took it seriously:):)
kidmillions


 

 

16 Nov 2012 11:06:00
good site and good work ed..

thank god i am not finding the famous two lines said by all our supporters all day long in this banter page..

" rome was never built on a day...and we have enough years ahead...."

" It took fergie 6 years to lift the EPL...so We also have atleast 3 more years to lift it..."

Ed actually how many years did actually took to built the rome?
once we cross that figure..we will have to find another line.. {Ed002's Note - Walking around Rome it is hard to tell if construction is still in progress or they are tearing it down.}


Brilliant ed002 bravo


Impressed ed..thats the reply of the day..
just was frustuation...
we will come back..strong..and stronger..
but ma collegues and friends are tearing me apart when my club loos..
cant think of supporting another club, that much I love liverpool..
but no excuses...our purchase, bad managment has ruined us...


Nevermind Rome, the universe was built in 6 days. Come on Brendan, get a move on.


Nonsense, the only God is Robbie Fowler


 

 

16 Nov 2012 09:28:49
Great news, Lucas back in full training and a has a chance of making the squad against Young Boys next week.

ChrisE


Who the hell disagrees with this? Are you saying it is NOT great news? That you wish he'd stay injured for longer? Or simply that you don't believe he is back in full training?

Personally I can't wait for Lucas to be back. Let's hope he has a long period back on form and properly fit again.


16 Nov 2012 13:30:05
LOL at the post above. I can totally imagine posters at home going:

"Bloody Lucas, having to go get fit an play matches for us. Typical"

I once saw 6 dislikes about a post asking what time a match was being played, and more on someone asking where they could watch matches online.

Jolly Red


 

 

16 Nov 2012 09:19:03
liverpool will go all out to sign walcott and torres also interested in hooper and huntelaar as back up options if tw and ft dont come also interest is there in another heerenveen player but no names yet


I tend to get snippets of Liverpool rumours living in london as they are not as widely reported on as the london clubs obviously and the two manchester clubs! Walcott would come, its not about money but more about where he plays? Hunterlaar if he moves to england I expect will move to spurs, reports locally suggest van der vaart is pushing hunterlaar to a spurs move?


Would be nice if it were true


Suarez is pushing Hunterlaar to move to Liverpool to re kindle the wicked partnership they had at Ajax


 

 

16 Nov 2012 08:57:12
Seen these figures when reading about the break even rule. I know the 49.4 Loss was back in 10-11 but i hope we are steadying the ship now. They got rid of some big earners in the summer (Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy) and now to get rid of the useless big ones at the club now (Cole, Downing & Carroll)


•Man City: £197m LOSS (2010-11)
•Man Utd: £23.3m PROFIT (2011-12)
•Chelsea: £1.4m PROFIT (2011-12)
•Arsenal: £36.6m PROFIT (2011-12)
•Tottenham: £32.3m PROFIT (2010-11)
•Liverpool: £49.4m LOSS (2010-11)
•Newcastle: £3.9m LOSS (2010-11)
•Wigan: £7.2m LOSS (2010-11

Barry B {Ed002's Note - There is a significant loss of 11-12 but it should start to look much better after that (i.e. this season on).}


Wasnt 40 of that for LFC a scrapped stadium design or spmething sp it would normally be -10 so it should be in the + or there abouts end of this seasom (unless fsg decide to unvest in the squad in jan which is a must)


 

 

16 Nov 2012 08:18:15
Read the Echo.

DaveyBootle {Ed002's Note - Shouldn't that be "Hear the Echo" Davey?}


Shouldn't that be DAVEY DAVEy DAVey DAvey Davey davey........


 

 

16 Nov 2012 08:09:04
Please post as I feel this may ease the current tension with the owners. I was reading the times this morning and there's and interview with Martinez who comments on how good our owners are, their passion for our club and their commitment. Though it was nice of Martinez and will maybe show all you sceptics that they're not that bad...


It's because we're playing Wigan next. He's attempting to play mind games

redkenyan


Why would he play mind games with the owners? Their not playing! lol

davethebutcher


 

 

16 Nov 2012 08:00:14
"Who cares? Just play for whatever international side wants you - you don't need to be a scouser to play for Liverpool, so why do you have to be English to play for England?"

So when I read this yesterday I wondered why we get so irritated about foreigners in the PL? If we take this poster's view then the national team would just be like Chelsea or Man City - a collection of the best paid, most rated, most desired players playing for a country!

This is why I have no interest in international football; standing tall with your fellow English players? You mean the ones from South Africa, Jamaica, Ivory Coast, Scotland, Barbados, Argentina, Bolton and San Francisco?

Laughable.

7ER


Give it a rest

If sum1 is born in africa and moves to england to flee war and spend 5 years in eng and decide they love this country because it gave them oppertunities their homeland never gave them and they decide they want to represent england (or whatever country) because thats where their heart is then thats fine

Theyre doing more for this country than some of u lot sitting on ur bottoms moaning about foreigners are


 

 

16 Nov 2012 07:39:40
Rebuilding a club:
When trying to rebuild a club it is important to have clear targets. For LFC these targets are as high as it comes In terms of European and domestic success. Without huge sums of money the only way to do this is to get the team to evolve over time.
In order for the team to evolve, players have to be moulded into quality players. They need time to appreciate the subtleties of the style of play. This takes time but it also takes hungry enthusiastic players. Older players will find it harder to adapt. This is how Klopp turned Dortmund around.
This is why Bellamy, Kuyt and Maxi were allowed to leave and replaced by younger players: Shelvey, Allen, Sterling, Suso. Carroll and Adam didn't have the raw materials to evolve into quality players. Adam was to slow and ponderous, Carroll didn't have a decent technique.
Rodgers whole ethos is quick tempo and retention of possession. Carroll and Adam do not fit this ethos.
Gerrard is a world class player and a club legend. He will not be sold and his experience is vital to the youngsters. Carra would never leave LFC but he will no doubt feature less in the future.
So with this in mind I think we can anticipate our transfer targets and we can set our goals for the season.
For me, European qualification should be the target. Young players benefit from European games, it boosts confidence experience and maturity. I think this should be achievable despite the massive upheaval this season and is well within our grasp still. Forget top 4, when Roy was sacked we had 20 games left and our form over those 20 games was second only to Chelsea, yet we still finished miles off 4th. So top 4 is gone to any realist.
Players for sale: likely to be Downing and Joe Cole from January and Carroll in May.
I think Brendan still has hope for Henderson.
Coming in will be an established striker in the mould of David Villa and a back up left back to challenge Enrique. A back up defensive mid must also be a possibility.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 07:05:30
If we should be happy with finishing anywhere above 8th and the fact in the last three seasons we havent finished in the top 4 then...

Who in ur opinion in our starting 11 isnt good enough and is holding us back from competing in the top 4?

In my opinion every one of our starting 11 is good enough to play for a top 4 / title winning side which suggests to me that whats missing is quality in depth (a number of striker options i.e balo, arguero, tevez not scoring dzeko comes on and does the job same as united, rooney, rvp, welbeck not doing the job hernandez comes on and does it...so we need atleast 4 top quality strikers 1 as good as suarez and 2 young prospects so far we have one of each borini being the prospect...

We also need goal scoring attacking midfielders who chip in, we had that with gerrard but so far it seems thats faded away unfortunately we need sum1 from
Midfield whos going to run into the box and get 10 a season for us,

We have great widemen in sterling and assaidi who can get beyond defenders and make runs into the box but we need to get more men in the box to attack that, our players arent direct enough the one that shows the aggresiveness and hunger to do that is suarez, the others need the same gung-ho, direct mentality...passing hame is great but it needs to be done around the opponents box, not ours (i know BR isnt stupid)

We praise sterling for what he does but i dont see why we dont have the same pace, skill and threat on the other side i.e assaidi and if not him then we need someone because teams will just start to mark sterling and take him out the game then we'll have no width (apart from enrique which is why we ended up seeing so much of him in the last game...but that then leaves too much room for defensive errors)

Just sharing with u all whats going through my mind right now, what do u all think?

Shak Attack


 

 

16 Nov 2012 05:37:06
I'd not be surprised to see Willy Zaha and Theo Walcott at Liverpool come January.

Rodgers is going for youth and fearless speed. I'm not at all sure what the going rate for a running out of contract speed freak Theo is, or for a pacey under productive but diamond in the rough Wilfred is either.

But hopefully we could get them both. Then Suarez, Sterling, Borini, Walcott and Zaha can all inter change in a front three. I think they'd be goals and most of all an immediate freshness and confidence boost in the attacking lines. Two attacking players would ease so much pressure.


Zaha wont be joining anyone in January. Palace are currently top of the championship and Steve Parish the chairman of Crystal Palace has spoken about not letting anyone leave if there still in the promotion battle which they should be.


If the money is right, Palace will sell.


 

 

16 Nov 2012 03:39:39
We need goals, speed & flair in the team so we will target 3 attacking players. We are looking to get them all for £26m - £28m. FSG are happy to fund the 3 transfers are they all are young players that will improve the squad with relatively decent asking prices and big margins for future profit if the time comes that they were to leave.

Charlie Austin - Striker - £6m (we already have a fee agreed with Anzhi for Lacina Traore regarding a summer deal).
Theo Walcott - Striker/Winger - £9m (price at £9m to make the deal sound sweet to Arsenal as BR really wants him).
Giuliano - Attacking Midfielder/CM - £11.5m (Giuliano is clearly in the thoughts of Brazil manager Mano Menezes and the club feels that he would be easier to pursue than Eriksen, Isco and Ander Herrera).

We are looking to sell players also (the sooner the better). we have told 4 players that they are free to look for new clubs.
Downing we want £9m but will accept £7m as a bottom figure.
Henderson £8m fixed price.
Cole - free as that would mean no pay off.
Pacheco - loan with option to buy clause. {Ed002's Note - Joe Cole is still owed money by Liverpool whether he leaves for nothing or not.}


If Liverpool were to allow Cole to leave for free Ed, meaning we get no transfer fee but Joe gets a signing on fee from new club, thus enabling him to get whats owed, a new club, fresh start and also the new team will have a player for nominal (ish) fee.
Or have I got it completely wrong. :-)

{Ed002's Note - You have it wrong, sorry. Liverpool still owe him money - from his signing on fee with the club which was extrapolated over the length of his contract.}


Get to bed earlier before such strange thoughts enter your head

Redpath


 

 

 
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