Liverpool Banter Archive April 17 2015

17 Apr 2015 22:49:48
Good luck Sunday I'd I like to see an Arsenal v Liverpool final as I think it would be an excellent show case final in what so far has been an excellent FA cup season.
I certainly don't discount Reading or Vila or even both from going all the way to the final of course but in an ideal world see you there.

18 Apr 2015 01:45:56
Last season reds n arsenal fans built up a good relationship on ere. Nice to see g62 keep it goin. Enjoy losin in the final tho haha 2 late goals and us winning 2-1 sound familiar haha. See use in the final g62

{Ed007's Note - Aw bless, looks like that'll be another half n half scarf sold :)

18 Apr 2015 07:03:55
Couldn't agree with you more Waltonred, as I have the same feeling we are going to win 2-1 with Arsenal scoring first.

18 Apr 2015 09:27:10
If arsenal score first we won't win, that's for sure (I'll happily take the stick if I'm wrong tho !)

18 Apr 2015 09:39:14
Cheers Walton mate I think one step at a time and let's both get there safely before we worry about who wins it :-)
I can't help but wonder about the people who hit the disagree button, is that because they want a Liverpool v Reading final or and Arsenal v Vila one so to keep the pressure on Rodger's, bit sad if its the second option

18 Apr 2015 19:41:13
Can you blame them judging by the way we pretty much rolled over and played dead at the Emirates earlier this month?

18 Apr 2015 19:44:27
I wouldn't take any notice of the likes/dislikes. as you can click both on the same post. I did with your post thanking Walton, just to prove a point.

17 Apr 2015 20:52:35
Ed

Do you expect Sturridge to be fit for sunday please? Also when do you expect us to approach citeh re Milner?

{Ed002's Note - I have no expectations about his fitness. Milner is nothing to do with MC.}

17 Apr 2015 21:16:37
Ok mate no probs, don't think he has trained all week that's all.

17 Apr 2015 09:30:45
Probably get blasted for this but here goes.

Other than a striker, I really hope the club makes NO more signings this summer.

I think we have signed far too many players over the last 3-5 years and we need to work with the squad we have.

We have a great squad of players who with the right coaching and leadership can be developed into a world class team.

Players like Lovren, Lallana and Lambert who excelled at saints. These players do not lose the ability over night.
YES the pressure is increased, but the players around them are supposedly superior to those at saints.

With the right management, I truly believe in the players and feel if utilised correctly can create a formidable squad.


Over the last 5 years.
We have spent rucks of money in the transfer window and the majority has been a waste. There are so many examples it is untrue and quite frankly, it is embarrassing.

This has resulted in Rodgers being told "insufficient funds are available". Can you blame the owners. if it was your money would you be confident given our track record of signings ?

My answer.

- Work with what we have (Academy-Squad)
- Only buy necessities (St)
- Remove the players that do not want to be there. (E.g Enrique)
- Give the loaned out signings a fair and proper chance !

and most importantly
- Introduce players who do want to be there !!! Players willing to give there all (ACADEMY).
(The lads in the academy must be half descent otherwise they wouldn't be there. Give them a chance !)

Struggling for goals ? why not give Jack Dunne a chance.

Keeper is having a nightmare ? Give Ward a chance

WHAT IS THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN !

It is better than wasting millions year after year after year after year ., .

Stop wasting money.

17 Apr 2015 11:00:24
Lambert is not good enough . Too slow . Mignonet is a good shot stopper and has improved , but off the deck he's dredfull . We need a powerhouse in the middle . A shield for the back four . a proper striker . A guy who can make the difference . Stop bargain hunting . We should have replaced Suarez with a top notch striker . And then cover the rest of the positions after that . Not the other way round . Goals win games . Last year we didn't fair too bad . So based on that a striker was essential .

17 Apr 2015 11:14:49
Some players simply do not fit into this team. Lambert and Balotelli are two such players. They, along with players with no future at LFC (Borini, Enrique, Wisdom, Ilori, Manquilio perhaps and the free transfers out of the club, Gerrard, Johnson and Toure) all probably will leave and that does create spaces in the team.

I agree with the sentiments of not wasting money, but we probably will have to 3-4 players this summer.

17 Apr 2015 11:17:45
What is the worst that can happen? Well we could end up further down the league table while we find out how good or bad these youngsters are. That is quite possible.

I do agree that we need to clear the decks tho. Take stock, see the wood for the trees, assess what we actually need. 2 forwards and a keeper! Persuade Lucas to stay and sell a bunch of bit part and loaned out players. Then add a few up and coming players to the squad.

17 Apr 2015 11:52:49
Agreed, but what you indicate. Is a change in the management team.

Who would be a suitable replacement for Rodgers, is a difficult question and is more important than any player changes.

The 'spine' of the team is not evident and apart from Lucas and Coutinho really needs to be looked at.
Yes another goal keeper. Commanding centre half and striker. Why did we sell Agger ?

17 Apr 2015 12:20:05
'Goals win games' but it clearly doesn't win us the league.

17 Apr 2015 12:24:48
So you would be happy starting next season with Henderson Allen Lucas and Can vying for the midfield slots. Sorry my friend but that simply isn't good enough. Liverpool need a lot more than just a striker this summer. Lallana marcovich balotelli aspas jones manquillo toure Alberto borini lambert Allen and mignolet are simply not good enough to play for liverpool. Now this might sound harsh but it's the truth you won't win anything with squad players which liverpool have in abundance. To move to the next level we need to sign proven quality e.g pjanic irallamendi firmino players of that ilk not players who have come from one good season at a mid table premier league club.an dare I even say it is be even tempted to sell sturridge because as he's proved through out his career he spends more time on the sidelines than on the pitch. Oh and I forgot to mention Enrique who seems like a professional twitter poster than footballer. Lacazette is a player I'd go all out for also

17 Apr 2015 12:50:05
Irish Rover- We need to develop a core group of players who are familiar with each others presence and style of play. The most obvious example was at UTD. who was it who said you can't win anything with kids ? what happened ??
times have changed mate I agree, but the fancy foreign names are not always the be all and end all.

Yuri - Maybe additional support to help Rogers make the decisions. Especially when it is so evident that he is out of his depth.


Fencey - Exactly

Redmick - How can you say players of that ilk in regards to pjanic irallamendi. To me they just sound like typical Foreign chancers. Would you not rather an academy prospect be given a chance ? or do you just want an open chequebook.

17 Apr 2015 13:12:41
I could live with just a striker if it was an absolute world class player like Benzema, Aguero etc. if we could only get one.

17 Apr 2015 13:43:48
I'm with you icevalley

I feel our biggest problem is someone putting the ball into the back of the net but I'd also like to see a solid CM player to go in with Henderson could be can but then we'd need a CB.

I agree with other posts saying lambert and balotelli aren't good enough so sell them.
You could argue then saying your selling 2 players and only getting 1 but at the end of the day neither of them play anyway so it doesn't matter anyway.

I feel last summer Rodgers bought players to bulk up the squad rather than players going into our starting 11.

17 Apr 2015 15:05:52
Ice valley just to use lallana as an example liverpool paid 25 million for him when he wasn't even needed. Both he and coutinhos best position is am now I know who I'd rather start with.

17 Apr 2015 15:25:54
Depends who goes and how much we managed to re-coup. Have over 10 players who could possibly go and could get anywhere from 25-50m (50 being very very optimistic!).

But priority is a striker - be hard to get one of genuine quality but do also have Origi coming back. Everyone mentioning 'marquee" signings can keep dreaming - we can't attract these players w/o CL football and staying in line with FFP. Not seen much of both (not through trying but hard to watch) but Kokorin and Adriano could be options - would like Volland but don't think that is realistic!

Hopefully Lucas stays and Allen goes - but if Lucas wants to leave then we have to keep Allen as a squad player and get a good DM in. Can't afford to replace both so imagine it is one or the other.

If Skrtel goes then tbf don't think we need to replace him as have ilori, jones, sakho, lovren, wisdom, toure, and if needed Can to play their (provided we ditch the back 3!). FB are sorted tbf and mignolet isn't the best but don't think we can afford to replace him but maybe get a decent keeper on a free?

Also we don't need him but konoplyanka.should have signed him instead of both markovic and lallana last summer, would have saved us +£40m and is a natural wide player which I still think we lack (except maybe Ibe).

17 Apr 2015 21:01:14
We do need to evaluate what we have before buying anyone else.
That is 100% true.
I think we will need more than 1 player though.
For me, Balotelli,Lambert,Borini,Johnson,Gerrard and Jones are definitely leaving.
That leaves Sturridge and Origi as our only two strikers so we must surely by another one.
4th choice striker should go to Sinclair in my opinion as Sterling can play there in an emergency as shown all season.
I would introduce Ojo next season as well to add another wide man.
That leaves a right back and a centre midfielder.
So 3 players in my opinion.
Top up the rest if needed with the academy.
Like Ward as back up goalkeeper. a position which is rarely needed.

18 Apr 2015 01:50:40
Lallana not good enuff your avin a laff. With proper movement around him he will be great

18 Apr 2015 08:16:20
Expected to leave :
Gerrard, Johnson, Balo, Lambert, Jones, Borini, Coates

Might Leave :
Illori, Wisdom, Allen, Toure, Manquillo, Enrique, Lucas

We need to Buy:
GK/ RB / CM / ST (2 in number)

From the leave list I would want Illori, Wisdom, Toure, Lucas to stay. this will reduce the need for RB, needing 4 new players.

GK : Cech 10M
CM : G.Medel 15M / Milner Free(5M)
ST : Higuain 35M / Morrata 20M
2nd ST : D.Ings Free(5M) / Hernandez ManU (10M)

So i all we need to buy for 40-70M odd.
Cech/Milner/Morrata/Ings : 40M
Cech/Medel/Higuain/Herandez : 70M

Team

Cech/Migs (CB)
Wisdom/Flanno/Moreno/Smith (FB)
Lovren/Sakho/Skertel/Illori/Toure (CB)

Lucas/Medel(Milner)/Can/Hendo -CM
Lallan/Coutino -AM

Sterling/Marko/Ibe (WF/Winger)
Stru/Higuain(Morrata)/Origi/Ings(hernandes) (CF/ST)

18 Apr 2015 09:41:50
I´m not sure why most of you prefer a right back? We have Flanagan, Wisdom, Manquillo and Mclaughlin. It might not be great right backs, but what would happen if Moreno got injured - Enrique (will most likely be sold in the summer) and Smith. I´m not sure that Smith is ready yet.

18 Apr 2015 11:56:51
I think most are missing ice valleys and my own point.

We are not going to have vaste amounts of money to spend this summer unless someone like sterling is sold , so with the money we do have its best to buy 1 class striker rather than 3-4 average players.

Red till death2 I think you are going to be bitterly disappointed if you think either of them scenarios are going to happen.

Although it would be nice to get medel and a striker.

18 Apr 2015 19:52:37
On another topic, off all those RB`s we have had before the season began, Kelly would have been better to have around along w/ Flanno and GJ. Just shows how usless BR is with transfers. We had Flanno (injured, I know), Wisdom, GJ and Kelly for RB. What does BR do? He loans out Wisdom, sells Kelly (for a pittance which is even worse) and brings in Manquillo (on a 2 yr loan, again aweful business) to compete with a spent force like GJ. WTF? Now we are finding out that Manquillo (after some flashes of ability early on) is not even better than Kelly nor even a spent force like GJ YET BR sold Kelly and brought in a replacement who can`t get a game. Yet many on here think BR is a fine manager that needs more time and NOBODY above him. If you believe that, I have a bridge in london to sell you. Kelly was the best we had to compete with GJ at that time should NEVER has been sold and he is proving it at CP right now because he was never given a chance to regain full fitness and now he has. I hope the same fate won`t befall Flanno and Tex.

19 Apr 2015 19:05:39
I think this is possibly the dumbest post I've seen. We are a mile away from the top teams, everyone else can see the divide but liverpool fans, it's pretty tragic really, we've lost no end of ground on our "rivals" and no doubt when we are in a seemingly different, but much the same scenario next season, if brendan is still in charge, he'll blame it on yet another year of transition. We need a manager that can grind out results no matter how poor the performance, which is effectively what LVG has done. I'm fed up with going on good runs and then the players bottling it, or the tactics being so wayward it's like they've been drawn up by a 5 year old. We get far too many injuries, and imo we aren't ruthless enough. No idea which manager should replace brendan or what tactical basis they should impose, but personally I'd love to see more positive play with a high line and less of this full back shite. Get a good CB and RB in and lucas fit and I'm sure we'd be immediately better. l

16 Apr 2015 23:38:50
hi eds, do you think hernandes "chicarito" would fit in to the rodgers style of play? could be a prolific goalscorer if given the suarez type free role.

{Ed001's Note - no, he does no pressing.}

17 Apr 2015 10:23:52
He also is a terrible passer of the ball

17 Apr 2015 04:50:13
I'm not terribly well informed about the coaching side of the game. I understand that you need UEFA badges to rise in the game but, as is the case for many, provisions are made for ex-players and those who have been around football. I wanted to know how somebody might make a move into football who has no previous involvement (except as a fan). I know the costs of the UEFA badges are prohibitive to most average people but, supposing money was no object, how might an average joe progress from being just another bloke/woman on the street to a UEFA accredited coach with the very realistic possibility of finding work within the footballing world?

I only ask this question as I was discussing (very briefly) coaching with a friend in Taiwan. He asked me how coaches come to be coaches and, to my surprise, I couldn't really give him a proper answer - except that people in the game move on to often fill up many of those roles. Any information would be great to get. I've had a look on the FA website and, though they offer preliminary training badges, their fairly low level. Cheers for any insights posters/ed's.

17 Apr 2015 08:49:22
Seano,

Firstly, I would just say to remember that football is played at all levels, and even if you never go beyond coaching a local team from the smallest city in the world, that no-one has ever heard of, if you can improve and be an inspiration (particularly for young kids) then you are a success and contributing to the beautiful game.

From my experience, which is pretty limited, it's very tough to break into the professional game. I know a few lads who coach at professional clubs, and know a few professional players who are doing badges etc. I'll be blatantly honest and say it's who you know that will heLp you progress up that ladder. A few things I would say are:

1. Find a grassroots club and learn about football and working with people.

2. Attend some local academy sessions and speak to people. Take advice, look at the sessions and listen.

3. Start your coaching badges. Don't be in a rush to get from A to B, but be willing to be patient and learn. The Uefa courses are expensive and often spots get allocated on certain criteria. (In Wales, I tried to book my B license this summer on a week intensive course, but there was strict criteria I didn't meet)

4. Believe in yourself. Believe in yourself as a coach and what you can offer football and people. Study, read articles, and learn to understand people. The best coaches I've worked with are the ones that have empathy, understand the player as a person and someone that you can trust.

Bit of a long winded post, sorry. But the bottom line is, breaking into professional coaching is very difficult, but with hard work and the right attitude, nothing is impossible.

Good luck mate.

17 Apr 2015 09:16:29
There are some provisional FA badges which you would have to go through first (They should be available in your country). I have done my first two in Northern Ireland but will go to Switzerland to start my Uefa B. From each badge to the next, you have a required amount of hours that need to be logged and a specific duration of time in which you can't apply for the next badge

It is obviously harder to get recognition in the system if you never played professionally but then again there have been plenty of great coaches who did not so that shouldn't be a worry. It's just a case of involving yourself as much as possible and networking with the right people

After you reach a certain level, you can only get invited to participate in the course. As you saw with Zidane at Real, even the top guys can't cut corners.

For more info, check out the League Manager's Association website (LMA) and your local FA website.

17 Apr 2015 15:22:13
Thanks for the thoughtful replies - i'll take a deeper look at the FA's website and the LMA website and see what other nuggets of information can be garnered. I'm not really considering it myself I was just interested in general terms - if I ever did get some proper coaching qualifications i'd be unlikely to stay in England though, think it would be more interesting giving it a go in another, maybe less exposed (to football) country - though not Taiwan as interest here is so low it'd be wasted sadly.

17 Apr 2015 01:24:33
Look let's be realistic. Klopp coming to Liverpool is completely unrealistic as much as I would love him there.

He's one of the best coaches in world football and just like the absolute elite players Liverpool is not an enticing enough project.

Firstly, Liverpool won't have Champions League football next year.

Secondly, as hard as it is to say, Liverpool are in a similar position to Dortmund in terms of holding onto their best players. Klopp had to be getting frustrated by constantly losing his best players to more financially able clubs.

Thirdly, Rodgers has had 220 million to spend in the past few seasons. The money doesn't last forever. There is no chance Klopp would be given this type of money as we simply don't have it.

As much as I would love Klopp, he's an exciting character and his team's play exciting football he simply won't come to Liverpool. When I see people say we should sign him it reminds me of when people ask if we are a chance of players like Reus, Lewandowski and co. We simply can't sign these players just like we won't be able to sign Klopp due to what we don't have to offer in terms of finance, ambition etc.

17 Apr 2015 13:20:56
This is a quote from Alexandre Lacazette interview

"It's too early to say if I'll have opportunities abroad. It's always going to be a question of a sporting choice because financially I'm already earning enough in my life
And so for me to go off to Qatar next year to earn lots of cash doesn't interest me"

This is from a guy whos 23.
Im not entirely sure if the money is the issue with Sterling,
but this quote made me a little relived that not all the same.

17 Apr 2015 14:18:01
replied to the wrong post. My apologies

17 Apr 2015 15:40:25
In reply to the post, Ed01 has said repeatedly here that money is NOT the issue with Sterling`s contract. Clauses and riders are. Good for Lacazette, tho.

17 Apr 2015 22:43:50
Not a money issue he admitted he rejected a 100,000 a week so are you feeling me he rejected it for football reasons so if we sort the football reasons out he will take the 100 grand and no more ???