Liverpool Banter Archive February 17 2016

 

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17 Feb 2016 21:21:46
Will Liverpool be playing a strong team tomorrow night or a slightly weakened team with some youngsters again.

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17 Feb 2016 22:39:08
Let ed get his magic ball out.


17 Feb 2016 22:39:54
I would guess strong team to win it in the first leg then youth in the second leg.


17 Feb 2016 23:01:53
Judging on klopps comments, a strong one.


17 Feb 2016 23:56:55
Strong. Maybe a younger player or two gets a spot every now and again but I don't see a whole team of youngsters getting a run in the playoffs or the PL.


18 Feb 2016 00:17:11
Joyce has predicted the line up to be the same as against villa with Caulker replacing Toure as the only change.


18 Feb 2016 00:19:04
Joyce has also said that Lovren hasn't travelled with the team but rather back to Croatia due to family sickness. Hope its nothing too serious.


17 Feb 2016 20:53:22
Hi Ed's 001 and 002. I appreciate there's no pre contract agreement with Xhaka but What's the liklihood he will be Anfield bound in the summer? He's exactly what we need I think and would be the perfect foil for Henderson.

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{Ed001's Note - how do we measure that?}

17 Feb 2016 21:16:17
Good point well made buttercup! Let me rephrase the question. In your opinion will Granit Xhaka be a Liverpool player next season?


{Ed002's Note - I think there is a good chance he will be playing in the EPL but probably not for Liverpool.}

17 Feb 2016 21:43:14
Thanks Ed's 002. Man city I'm assuming?


{Ed002's Note - Maybe but there is interest elsewhere.}

17 Feb 2016 22:48:38
Man City bound he is.


17 Feb 2016 23:26:03
Joe Hart to LFC then?


18 Feb 2016 00:44:28
Liverpres

I really hope that's a joke he's the most over rated keeper on the planet and absolutely no improvement on what we already have and that's saying a lot 😂.


17 Feb 2016 17:29:39
in regards to markovic I think klopps has some persuading to do, to keep the player. imo given the choice today he would choose to stay in turkey, he has got his carreer back on track and to come back he will want to know he would be a regular starter. I would like him to come back and get a run of games but I wouldn't be shocked to learn he has left lfc in the summer. the main question is this, does he want to come back?

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17 Feb 2016 18:24:33
I propose we let him go. his heart is no longer here and if that is the case, you can`t force a horse to drink even if he let you lead it to the bank of a river. He`s happy in Turkey, plays regularly and one of their key players. Why would he give all that up to come scrap for playing time here? It`s not like we`re Bara or Real and the lot, challenging for trophies. Let the boy go and we move on.


17 Feb 2016 18:44:09
Redohio

He would play under the Best, Greatest manager of this generation Mr. Klopp.
He wouldn't turn down that offer.


17 Feb 2016 18:49:11
Harry is really going for the mind reader, crystal ball approach lately lol.


17 Feb 2016 18:49:17
Completely agree with Harry, its no long BR in charge its Klopp so he knows things are different now.

I hope he comes back with a positive attitude to show what we missed in the last year. If he can't do that then who cares if we sell him.


17 Feb 2016 19:04:53
Apparently that was a sarcasm TJ 😂😂. But it could come true. Y would a player join us is exactly the reason we sacked BR and bought klopp.

And boy the last time we promised someone regular playing time has become a headache Mr. Milner.

Big clubs never promise game time. Players earns it in the training and on their performances on the pitch.

Retweeting What I read on the site.


17 Feb 2016 19:08:19
I would disagree with the first post, Markovic's main issue was with Rodgers, i fully believe that if Klopp wants him back he would jump at the chance to prove himself.

I do believe that he would be open to a permanent move if liverpool were interested to sell.


17 Feb 2016 19:15:12
he is going to want 1st team football, nevermind who the manager is Redtwist. look at it from his point of view, the move to Liverpool has been a disaster. does he come back to try again or cut his losses? also throw in canos, ojo and kent I would say we are covered should he decide not to return. we also didn't shower him with affection when he was here where as in turkey the fernabache supporters have been more friendly and supportive to him.


17 Feb 2016 19:58:36
My sentiments exactly, KK7. He may have had issues with BR but who says he is better or is guaranteed first team footie with us because he`s not just going to walk into the team. He ain`t that good, yet. So again, why try to convince someone we can easily live without, to stay? We have Ojo, ibe, canos and the lot to get through the season. He is not and will not be a starter here so why should Klopp promise him anything? I say, let him go, wish him luck and move on.


17 Feb 2016 20:30:57
He will do a big mistake if he comes back. He is unlikely to become a first team player.


17 Feb 2016 20:51:40
He is contracted with Liverpool. So he will return at the end of season like or not. If he wants to leave it's up to him and his agent to find someone to pay an acceptable fee.


17 Feb 2016 20:54:11
I think he'll be back and not because Klopp had to promise him playing time. Klopp will sell him on the vision of his system and what his role will be within that system. He will give Markovic the one thing he did not get under Rogers and that is the chance to play in his natural position. And while Kent, Ibe, and Ojo are all showing promise, none of them posses the attribute they most need to thrive in Klopp's system and that is speed (all three are quick but not fast. would rather dribble through a player than blow by them. ) Klopp's system does best with pacey wingers and Markovic fits that bill.

Klopp has shown a pention to be wise with the clubs money. Why would he not want to give a chance to a player they have already paid for?


17 Feb 2016 20:56:40
Fernebahce are ready to pay to keep him so to me, he should leave because again, he won`t be first choice.


17 Feb 2016 21:10:20
Ojo is rapid shornbeck.


17 Feb 2016 21:49:03
I like Ojo. I think he will get his chance but I think we will see him and Kent continue to develop in U21's, cup ties and the occasional 1st team appearance next year. Klopp has said that winger is a priority which means I don't think he is entirely comfortable turning over the reigns to the youngsters. I still think he will give Markovic a chance in addition to looking for another winger.


17 Feb 2016 22:48:52
Harry you are my hero. Don't listen to the hate man.

And if you need inspiration, talk to young Ronald.


18 Feb 2016 04:43:38
If fernebahce willing to pay 20m for him then let him go. Anything below? Stay.


17 Feb 2016 15:57:30
Hi Eds, just wondering how Igor Akinfeev is getting on? I think he is a decent option for GK for LFC, do any clubs hold an interest?

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{Ed002's Note - You need the European pages about these random player questions but Liverpool has no interest.}

17 Feb 2016 16:37:27
Ok thank you!


17 Feb 2016 15:55:14
Hi eds, could you please provide a list of players you would go for in the summer, similar to the one in 2014 with Handanovic, Sanson etc? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Remind me next week and I will give it a shot Aidz76.}

17 Feb 2016 19:40:03
Ok shot ed2 mate.


17 Feb 2016 15:32:23
Ed1

Didi Hamann thinks signing Matip is a coup.

Would you lend much weight to his opinion? :)

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{Ed001's Note - no idea, never seen Matip play.}

17 Feb 2016 21:40:57
He's a fairly good player imo, and an upgrade on Skrtel for sure. Quick and fairly accomplished tackler, positionally he has to improve.


17 Feb 2016 23:21:32
Really Fornax? I'm told positionally he's very good, but lacks a touch of pace. Heading is also a real strength.


17 Feb 2016 23:59:46
He's not quick Fornax.


18 Feb 2016 03:46:14
Pace is a great attribute. However there have been plenty of top centre backs not blessed with bags of pace if they are positionally smart and have a good brain. So let's see how he gets on when he gets here.


17 Feb 2016 13:59:11
Interested in the opinions from everyone including the eds on who you'd think was the best manager of all time?
I know a lot would say Paisley but because he was before my time I can't really comment.
I hate to say it but in my time I've got to say Fergie has been the best manager over the years, how he could make an average side seem world class was unbelievable.
Really interested how fellow Liverpool fans would compare Paisley and Fergie.

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{Ed001's Note - Paisley is head and shoulders above everyone. Fergie was not even close and was shown up time and time again in Europe.}

17 Feb 2016 14:34:23
Paisley without question.


17 Feb 2016 14:36:11
Paisley, Hands Down! 20 trophies in 9 years, including 3 CL titles. Nuff said! It took Fergie 20 years to win that amount.


17 Feb 2016 15:00:01
Sir bob all day long!


17 Feb 2016 15:06:52
To be fair though, Fergie built that team and to an extent that club by himself. Paisley inherited a very good team. Just trying to add a bit of unbiased balance.


{Ed001's Note - Paisley rebuilt the team, more than once. He also did it on a budget that was lower than most of the teams competing with him, while Fergie had the biggest budget by far. Oh and Fergie did not do it himself, United were a huge team with a great youth system, that he inherited and then left to rot away, hence the struggles with it now.}

17 Feb 2016 15:40:40
Where would you rate Sir Matt Busby ed?


{Ed001's Note - ahead of Fergie and level with Shanks, just slightly above Clough. Probably second best ever in English football, in my opinion. Though it is very close between Shanks, Busby and Clough. Shanks is let down, like Wenger, by his lack of a ruthless streak, he was just too loyal. Clough just stayed too long in the job, long after he should have retired, which ruined his legacy and Forest have still not recovered.}

17 Feb 2016 15:48:31
To be honest I've always felt that Clough was not as good as people make out, because without Taylor, Clough would not have been half as successful.


17 Feb 2016 15:53:08
Tim Sherwood - has the best record as a Spurs manager in terms of win ratio

Brendan Rodgers - His Liverpool side of 2013/ 14 scored more league goals than any Liverpool team in history.

Roy Hodgson - his Liverpool side were never beaten in Europe

Tony Pulis - has never been relegated from the Premier League as a manager

Steve McClaren - the only England manager in recent times to fail to qualify for a major tournament

All very impressive records. Paisley who?


17 Feb 2016 16:38:38
As Ed01 says Sir Bob may of took charge of a side built by shanks after the F A cup final 1974, but by 1978 there were only 3 of that cup final line up in the European cup final under Paisley. Clemence, Thompson and Hughes. Sir Bob built teams.
Sir Bob was more ruthless than Shanks. Shanks stayed loyal to his old players, Where Bob would edge them out of the door.
Steven Gerrard wouldn't have made that famous slip under Paisley, because he would have been moved on before that season.
Sir Bob was a man of few words, but his actions spoke volumes.
Many say Bob would have moved Kenny on too, if he hadn't retired in 1983. He actually dropped Kenny from the team in his final season.


17 Feb 2016 16:46:41
I'm assuming your being sarcastic ems.


17 Feb 2016 16:48:10
Clough won the league with Derby County and 2 European cups with Nottingham forest. That's pretty special, him and Paisley for me, Bob just shaving it.


{Ed001's Note - if he had not hung around too long I agree, but those years after Peter Taylor left were dire, and included relegation.}

17 Feb 2016 16:56:09
Ron, he won all that with Peter Taylor, he was hardly successful or special when he didn't have Taylor by his side.


17 Feb 2016 17:07:09
The Peter Taylor bit doesn't wash with me. Paisley had the same assistants. So what? Taylor tried management and failed. Clough was manager during those triumphs, he gets the credit IMO.

All managers have assistants, it shouldn't detract from their achievements. Rafa had Paco Ayesteran, but he still gets the credit for number 5.


17 Feb 2016 17:29:42
The point is that Clough was not as special as he has been made out to be, it was Clough and Taylor that won Nottingham Forest those European Cups, not just Clough. Assistant managers are probably one of the most underrated positions in the coaching setup and in Clough's case, he would not have won anything (or as much) with Forest and Derby if Taylor had not been by his side.


{Ed001's Note - Rafa fell apart once Pako left and has never been the same since. So you are ruining your own point Ron.}

17 Feb 2016 17:41:05
I don't know any other top manager who gets judged on who his assistant was.
Anyway, no point in arguing opinions with me.
Clough was the second best, no-one has taken clubs the size of Forest and Derby to such success and Sir Bob shades it because of his continued success at the very top.

Couldn't give a monkeys who the assistants were, it matters not.

You won't change my mind. 😛.


17 Feb 2016 17:54:22
Of course it matters who's the assistant - Paco and Taylor being great examples of that. But it doesn't take away anything from anybody, why would it? Everybody do better if sourrounded by the right people - the biggest skill is to know who to sourround yourself with.


17 Feb 2016 18:04:31
a good partnership should never be underestimated, that's why when they move on managers like to take there back room staff with them. I have a soft spot for clough one of the games great characters. such a shame he never got the England job it would have turned the f. a on its head.


17 Feb 2016 18:33:51
Ron, if you think Klinsmann was good with Germany, then you cannot ignore what Loew did as his assistant. Proof? Loew has transformed Germany to what they are today. Klinsmann took all the credit at the WC in 2006 but those who know the game at the time knew who the real genius was and it was and still isn`t Klinsman because he is just dire with the U. S team. Moral of the story? You cannot discount the impact of the assistant. Even Klopp has said Buvac and Kraveitz are his "brain".


17 Feb 2016 19:18:50
Eds how would you rate ernst happel jock stein and rinus michels. Honestly know nothing about them but some "best managers ever pages" on the internet rate them higher than paisley along with SAF?
Thank you,
Evenjoshstevens.


{Ed001's Note - I do not know enough of Ernst Happel to consider him. Jock Stein was a great, but I personally do not see how he can be considered as on the same level as Paisley, just not close. Michels would have to come into consideration as one of the greatest. One thing that all the greats have in common is that they were ahead of their time. They all made their own path, rather than just copying something, they created a new way of playing and introduced new techniques and training regimes.}

17 Feb 2016 19:24:28
What I meant by "it doesn't matter who their assistants were" is that it doesn't change the fact that the manager gets the credit and it doesn't change my ratings of the managers.


17 Feb 2016 19:30:59
I liked Clough too Ron, but Taylor was the good cop. Taylor was great at finding players. People say it was Taylor who picked the players to sign, when they split, Clough couldn't find someone who was as good a judge. That's where Sir Bob beats Clough hands down Bob was a good judge of players he hardly made a bad signing.


17 Feb 2016 19:51:03
Loved Cloughs tongue in cheek visit around the LFC boot room.

Got to love that man.


17 Feb 2016 20:00:25
Just like Leow was the brain behind Klinsmann`s "success" with Germany in `06, the one he`s still sitting on till this day after being shown to be a failure without Leow at Bayern in 2007 as well as being dire with the U. S team without Leow.


17 Feb 2016 20:37:07
The thing is Löw took over and proved he could be a manager, Taylor failed at management.


17 Feb 2016 21:09:56
Wrong again, Ron. Leow was already an established Bundesliga manager before he took the assistant`s job because Klinsmann would leave after the WC and took over Bayern where he failed and got sacked. Even many knew at the time that Leow was the one doing the tactics formations. After Klinsmann left, the job was offered to Leow which he accepted and the rest is history. Point being, a manager is only as good as his assistant and even Klopp has said he is nothing without his assistants. Don`t know why you`re fighting this, Ron.


17 Feb 2016 21:15:39
The manager gets the credit for me, weather the assistant is the world's greatest ever assistant or the worst.
It's like saying the manager was only great cause he managed to buy all those great players, if he bought average players he would have been ordinary.


17 Feb 2016 21:17:35
The manager appointed him so he gets the credit.


17 Feb 2016 21:29:06
A bit late to the punch but for me has to be Sir Bob, I doubt any manager has even come close to win the trophies he did anywhere in that space of time, let alone in England. He won on average 2.2 trophy's a season, only Guardiola has surpassed that. I mean he was the only manager until 2014 to have won 3 European cups, still the only manager to do it with the same team. I always felt Fergie would never be able to reach his heights, his arrogance at times let him down. Plus you could argue that Ferguson's success came in a time when if you had financial backing it was much easier to win the league. Imo it was much harder to win the league back in the 70s and 80s, because a team could come from nowhere like what Clough did, but there was many more teams in the mix. From 1970-1981 you had 7 different teams winning the league.

For me I think its a travesty that Sir Bob was never Knighted, still the only Brit to win 3 European cups, I don't discredit Ferguson's Knighthood, but for his service to Liverpool which spanned 24 years in management, including as an assistant manager.

I do agree though that it is a good relationship between manager and assistant which can make a team soo successful, they often don't get the recognition. I totally agree with Ed about Pako, Rafa got too paranoid and got rid of his friend and and a successful partnership, Pako himself has stated though that they was veering away from the ideals that brought them success to begin with, I honestly believe had Pako remained as assistant manager, Rafa could have had way more success at Liverpool. Pako has since gone on to become a successful manager in his own right, he won the treble with Maccabi Tel Aviv last year, which no manager ever did in the Israeli league. And some of you may or mat not know he has joined up with Gary Neville at Valencia as a coach now, I sincerely hope they have success together.

YNWA.


17 Feb 2016 22:01:22
Not fighting anything, I've an opinion on who are the best managers but apparently I'm not allowed to have one without having to justify it 😄.


17 Feb 2016 22:49:45
Has to be sir Bob as he won 3 European cups when it was a lot harder to win. Closely followed by clough and then Neil Warnock in third.


17 Feb 2016 23:28:04
Sir Bob no doubt but ill trll any Cloughie doubters right now what he did for Derby and then moreso Forest, taking a club from being dire in division two to winning two European cups was phenomenol, i'm from the area and ED001 is correct he stayed too long, it was the worst kept secret in the club that he was hiding whiskey everywhere and he openly admitted it clouded his judgement, it wasnt the lack of Taylor that did him it was the drink, besides that he was a quality man and reknowned in the area for treating kids to tickets etc, he was a real gent
Im LFC through and through always have been but Cloughie ill tell you as a person and a fan of good families was a man to admire, they don't make em like him and Bob anymore and he also had massive respect for Bob and LFC. a very very close second to the sir for me fellas
YNWA.


{Ed003's Note - In an era where everyone puts down citeh,I think the Mercer - Allison years should get a mention.But Paisley for me.}

17 Feb 2016 13:27:37
Haven't had a chance to post since the game as I was pre-occupied on the evening of Valentines day and have been busy job hunting the last few days; but what a game that was at the weekend!

Question for the always optimistic Ron Keague, are we title contenders now? ;)

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17 Feb 2016 13:46:47
We've always been title contenders mate 😉
This team is capable of 74 points which is unlikely to be enough but you never know.


17 Feb 2016 14:37:27
We will be in contention for top 4 and win the Carling Cup if we wing the next two games vs. Man City.


18 Feb 2016 00:22:49
Good points ed- I'll take your word for it.

What were paisley's most defining qualities? How was he different to fergie?


{Ed001's Note - he wasn't pocketing brown envelopes from every signing for starters. He was all about the team, unlike Fergie, who is as much about making himself money as anything else. There would have been no Bebe's under Paisley. He only signed players he thought were good enough.}

17 Feb 2016 12:40:57
Stewart injured in training, they think possibly ligament.

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17 Feb 2016 13:22:18
Please nothing serious. How cruel that is.


17 Feb 2016 17:13:30
Who the hell would disagree, i wonder about people sometimes, being contrary just for the sake of it.


17 Feb 2016 18:55:32
There have been people lighting up the disagree buttons for the sake of it. I wouldn't pay much attention to them to be honest.


17 Feb 2016 21:50:10
It's not just me then? Of 12 posts I counted the other day 11 of them had far more disagrees,


18 Feb 2016 00:23:41
They're just trolls. The amount of disagree hits on this thread alone is proof of that.


17 Feb 2016 12:27:43
Hi eds ....

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page John - try the appropriate page.}

17 Feb 2016 14:03:19
Sorry mate I was just curious that's all.


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17 Feb 2016 08:04:05
Morning reds,

Sorry for the late post this week.

Here is the weekend loan update.

Alberto played for 80minutes as deportivo drew 2-2 with betis.

Ballotelli played the last 5 minutes of milans 2-1 win over genoa.
Not long on the pitch but long enough to draw criticism from his manager who singled him out for lack of effort.
Milans manager went on to say those who do not try will not be on the pitch again!

Mr markovic is currently injured

Awoniyi for the second week running was on the subs bench for fsv. They lost 2-1 and are close to relegation.

Yesil was an unused sub in luzerns 2-1 defeat.

Brentfords capitulation continues as they lost 4-0 to Sheffield Wednesday.
Canos got subbed off at half time.

Better news for vigouroux as Swindon beat chesterfield 4-1! Continuing their march back up the table.

Mr wisdom is currently injured.

Fulton picked up his first win at Pompey as they beat Bristol rovers 3-1. Pompey are pushing for promotion from league 2.

And that's your lot redmen.
Here's hoping to a good win tomorrow!

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17 Feb 2016 08:16:48
Grujic?


17 Feb 2016 08:18:51
Sick of seeing yesil was an unused substitute as Luzern lost X-X.

Obviously not your fault, thanks Carra keep up the good work.


17 Feb 2016 08:30:34
I will have a word with them frisky 😁

Parstheball - red star won 3-0 to extend their lead to about 30 points. Grujic played the full 90.


17 Feb 2016 08:34:02
Allan also played the full 90 for Sint-
Truiden

However they lost 3-0.


17 Feb 2016 10:29:11
Thanks carra mate, I always look forward to your posts, superb info.


17 Feb 2016 12:37:54
Cheers carra.


17 Feb 2016 12:37:56
cheers Sid.


17 Feb 2016 14:38:28
Thanks, Carra.


17 Feb 2016 15:42:00
How do people disagree on a thanks is beyond me!


17 Feb 2016 16:17:38
Just a lot of silly persons disagreeing mate.


17 Feb 2016 18:16:41
"Not long on the pitch but long enough to draw criticism from his manager who singled him out for lack of effort. "

Balotelli will be playing his football in China or the Middle East next season.


17 Feb 2016 05:43:38
people from liverpool and those who support liverpool have restored my faith in humanity thanks to the previous post who checked up and proved i was correct i was an average player who played football whilst in the army and as the unit i was in was so small took up the badge to officiate and never looked back it was a tattoo on my thigh of the liverpool badge which upsets a few up here in scotland but that's their problem not mine i just want to referee an amateur match down in liverpool before i hang up my whistle as my instructor was a scouser anyone able to assist with this please?

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17 Feb 2016 09:47:11
You had a career in the army and it's Ron keague that restores your faith in humanity? Lol.


17 Feb 2016 12:38:29
All part of my humanitarian assistance Mikey 😇.


17 Feb 2016 03:25:51
ed 2 not lfc related ........

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