Liverpool Banter Archive January 17 2013

 

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17 Jan 2013 23:23:43
sadly our transfers dealings have been abysmal for the past few windows. this summer we should have addressed our goal scoring problem (which was a problem last season also) but instead we bought joe allen and sahin who was played as a no 10 which was never his preferred position .this just shows inexperience of our manager I support him though but my patience is running out especially if he will persist on starting allen .him and lucas just does not work.

i would rather prefer if he would give chance to some more youngsters like adorjan or texiera. BR is a good coach he is brave also not afraid to make changes during the game but my point is he will not need his bravery if he gets his team selection right at the start of the game.
Ayush


What a load of rubbish, we're now criticising rodgers by using hindsight. How objective of you


 

 

17 Jan 2013 23:01:57
The internet and other media scrutinise every last word from every player and manager. Press statements are picked apart and over-analysed and checked for hidden meanings in every newspaper, tv show and internet forum.
When Brendon says we are not getting a player, is he telling the truth...or bluffing....or double-bluffing.....or creating a smokescreen?
The unfortunate side effect of all this scrutiny is that players such as our Luis need to wise up when giving interviews, particularly as the British press takes a negative slant regarding Liverpool FC. I love his honesty and his passion but he just needs to leave the talking to the club.
Imagine if Shanks was around today and came out with the tongue-in-cheek 'football is more important than life or death' comment. The gutter journos in the fish-and-chip wrappers would no doubt slate him for trivialising human existence.

cozinoz


I think you overestimate the importance of the British Press.
They are no longer relevant which is why they have to stoop low to appeal to the mindless.
If you are afraid of the opinion of the mindless -


Oh silly me, I guess Luis can say what he likes and it won't affect Liverpool FC because only the mindless would read about it, right?

cozinoz


If the British Press are so lacking in influence, explain this? In the past two weeks BR and Gerrard have both given honest responses to questions from the press and the subsequent headlines have caused no end of hassle for the both of them and the club (not to mention loads of criticism on here)

It's the reason why Kenny Dalglish was pretty much mute for the final six months of last season, which caused the media to go after him even harder - result, he got sacked. I wish they had no influence.

Po {Ed002's Note - Dalglish did not get sacked because of the British media.}


True, finishing 8th, Carrol for £35m, the whole Suarez thing etc, but the fact that they were hunting him by the end and he was falling into every trap they set didn't help his case.

Po


 

 

17 Jan 2013 23:00:29
By far and still the best site for lfc views and rumours !!
Great job eds !! Plus still free !!
Redjay {Ed002's Note - Thanks man.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:42:29
BR is probably the most stupidest manager ever . spends 15 mil on allen and won't spend 10 on sneider who is world class, he won't play assaidi which freaks me out because he is a great talent and is better than downing and sterling in my opinion, and his lineup choices are stupid . thank you:)


People like you make me feel ill.

J-L


Excellent work. Your reasoning is profound and enlightening. Congrats on being able to format an opinion. I am going to guess you are under ten years old.

- Logic


Stupid people use redundant superlatives, such as "most stupidest."
YNWA USA


We must install this genius at once & then we will be champions of the universe! Ed's did this poster leave any contact details?

dd {Ed001's Note - unfortunately no, sorry. John Henry has already been on the blower asking the exact same thing......}


In saying that I know assaidi was injured but at the start he looked like a young Craig Bellamy. Played him once or twice then stop. Hope he's not sold I rate him and for the money we paid for him.


I take it you are a regular Joe like most of us? If you were offered a 10 year old Bentley for a grand or a two year old Audi A3 for 3 grand what would you buy? Most sensible people would take the younger more expensive but economical long term vehicle (A3). Rather than the flash choice that would cost an arm and a leg long term. Now if that Bentley was converted to LPG (and Sneijder dropped his wage demands) its a different story.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:48:12
If we don't sign any "big named players" our own star (luis suarez) will leave & we'll be back to square one again. We need to keep our star players happy or it's relgation battle's for us for the future!


I have my doubts that being alarmist and jumping to conclusions are good for the club in any way.

- Logic


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:46:23
Just out of curiosity, being honest.....where do you all see liverpool in 5 years time?

I think we will be back in the champions league, I think a lot of our youngsters will have moved on by then I'm sorry to say. I still think we will be a long way off winning the premier league though in terms of points.
Agree with buying youngsters but I don't think that's enough to win the prem.
Thoughts? Would like the eds opinions too if they don't mind.

Ashy


17 Jan 2013 23:11:48
Deep question, our last two serious managers had that 5 year grace to progress us - both had strategies and moved the club forward for 3/4 years before falling at the final hurdle then regressing fast in their final year.

I like the blocks Brendan has put down but he doesn't have the pulling power that either GH or RB had with both past sucesses and early wins at the club - he has marked himself as a manager that will give youth a chance tho which suggests we can compete for players that are young and hungry.

I can't see 5 years clearly from where we are now - Rodgers could build a unit and then a dynasty if the ideals work - but some PL teams seem to have already found him out.

If he doesn't work out the next appointment will come in with exactly the same spiel (success over time - need to build).

I think we'll need to have the patience to let him build over 2 seasons and then decide - it used to be that we needed 3/4th place to be respected. With City, Chelsea and TH breaking that top echelon and Everton always being there and there abouts I don't think placing 5th-7th is too alarming over the next two seasons as long as the squad is improving.

I can't see any manager or setup that gets us straight back in the top 4 without spending over £200M in a window.


Can you explain why you think we will be back in the champions league?
Unless major changes happen, can't see us over taking the 2 Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea ..
Our chance to over take Arsenal was this year, we wasted it, next year they'll spend and be stronger ..(they have more money than us and can afford it)
Spurs will be hard to catch, like us they have good youngsters coming up and have a couple of young experienced players, and they seem to be lucky in the transfer market (Berbatov, VDV, Modric)
Everton, hate to say it, but they built strong foundation, if they can keep their manager for another 5 years, I think they'll stay ahead of us.
So that put us in 7th. Suarez will leave soon, and unless we replace like for like, then there is a chance teams below us can catch up .

I know the standard abuse will come in the form, we have the best youth blah blah blah .. well we dont, Arsenal/United are two teams above us with younger average age squads, Chelsea, City and Spurs just slightly older ..

I would love to see us in CL places 4 years from now, but the trend and stats say the opposite, unless there is a major shift in something, I really can't see it.

Roy


Where we are now. 7-8 if we are lucky we may get 6th. Can't see us above. Man U/man c/arsenal/chealsea/Tottenham. Everton may sell there better players, if not can't see us above them. Not what we like but that's the truth. Some may disagree but they just to naive to exepeted.


Liverpool Football Club have the youngest team in the Premier League this season, having fielded a side with an average age of 23.38 years old.

Arsenal are close behind with an average age of 23.73, while Southampton, Manchester United and Newcastle make up the rest of the top five youngest teams.

SpudRed


Same place as we are now, struggling in mid-table.


Just because we have young players does not make them good if you refer to the likes of sterling and shelvey such players are very over rated look how easy it is for sterling to be closed down now and he is not effective shelvey is just poor sorry my opinion and for what it is worth I want them to prove me wrong and be a success.


I would have to disagree Roy. If Liverpool can 3/4 good players to their squad then I see no reason for Liverpool not to be challenging for the top 4. History shows that Liverpool have always outspent Spurs, Arsenal & Everton. Its really down to who we buy. The only descent thing Rodgers has said was after Utds game. We don't lack quality but we do lavk depth. Which sort of shows when you usually see 3 midfielders and 2 defenders on our subs bench.

The Irish Rover


To SpudRed, Surely villa are the youngest squad in the premiership this season?? We have a young squad but I think villa's is even younger.
I may be wrong. Would not be the first time. I thought we would go unbeaten all season!
jonnybarnes89-90


I would have to disagree Roy. If Liverpool can 3/4 good players

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That will be the "major changes happen" I referred to Irish ..
Dont mean to be cynical or negative, but we seem to have forgotten how to get good players, we get a lucky one in what 3 or 4 ..
The problem Irish, most assumes none of our players will leave, I think they will and Gerrard have one year, 2 tops .. so in addition to your 3/4, we will need a very good replacement for Stevie, and most likely another for Suarez

Roy


18 Jan 2013 13:52:00
All I disagree with Roy is that you seem to think we wont' improve at all in 5 years. Should be keep even Borini and Sturridge, they should be in their prime.
Finishing in 4th spot depends on us, and how we do.

If we strengthen in the right areas and keep hold of our best players, we will be there in 5 years.

If we fail to strengthen and lose our top players, then no we won't.

Both ifs, I suppose. There is no right or wrong answer.

WelshBoyDave


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:42:44
Got Some info on Sneijder. BR Press Confrence.

˜You could probably rattle off about 20 names and the answer would be the same. The club have been linked with a whole host of players, but I couldn't see that [Sneijder] happening, ' said the Northern Irishman.

GAM#


And your point is? How is that info...you have just quoted what we have all already heard. You prize....


He didn't say the Sneijder part, he implied that he thought it unlikely that we would be signing the host of players that the media have 'linked' to us.

Of course, we have a negative % chance of getting Sneijder anyway but that's not the point.

SpudRed


The way the question was phrased gave him a perfect opportunity to just answer with a straight "no". He didn't take it, in fact he broke eye contact before answering. LFC are trying for Sneijder.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:37:12
Loving the banter from Ed002 tonight!

Piledriver


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:35:24
Hi eds, just asking for personal opinion, I've seen ince play, I know the price seems cheap compared to other targets, I see jordan ibe being better potentionally, I think Ince is nowhere near premier league quality, why have liverpool suddenly shown intrest, he hasn't done much special. {Ed001's Note - because Ibe isn't ready for the first team just yet.}


What and Tom ince is? {Ed001's Note - that is how the coaching staff view him, yes.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:34:45
Have I missed a major part of the season?, are we in the bottom 3 or 9 points of 4th or at worse 6 off 5th ( two spaces occupied by 2 teams who are having a fantastic season if the tv "experts" are anything to go by, spurs and everton).

We have 16 games to go and still have 4 of the teams above us to visit Anfield. Plus take into account all the teams above us have to play each other who is to say we won't catch the teams above us (bear in mind we have won 7 out the last 10). And lets not go on about us not beating a team above us, spurs have only beat one team currently in the top 7 as have Arsenal.

The gloom and doom on here really is depressing and some times not called for. Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, but at least make it constructive, not simply a moan because we won't buy a player who hasn't performed for almost 2 years and when he does, does so for himself and is demanding silly wages.

We all know and understand how tough it is, but at least support the club, the owners and the manager at this time. I don't mean blindly but at least a little better than some on here are, best and most knowledgable supporters.....I don't see that in SOME posters any more! T-Mac


Great post! Banter about footy, backed up with facts. Refreshingly good. More of this sort, please.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:04:01
Hi eds, do you think we have a better squad now than last season? With the likes of kuyt, Bellamy, maxi, etc who would always chip in with a few goals. {Ed001's Note - different, not better or worse.}


They may chip in with a few goals but didn't we struggle to score goals last season? Many games ended 1-0, 0-0 or 1-1.

BthekingB


I would say we wouldn't have been better had they have stayed. They'd have had trouble adjusting to the new system also, maybe more than the younger players. Those names you listed are all big favourites of mine but getting a bit long in the tooth now.

SpudRed


Could you honestly imagine Kuyt playing fast fluid football. Loved the guy and he played his heart out for the shirt but close control was never his strongest attribute

cozinoz


I think Bellers would have been a good squad player for this system. Was it Bellers that wanted to go for more footy, or Rodgers didn't want him, or a bit of both?

Liverpres


I think Bellers wanted to go home for family reasons mate, a shame because I agree with you, he would of made a difference.

Phooey...


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:25:53
Hi eds reds . Been reading loads of posts saying we are signing this player or that player then read some more posts saying we won't sign anymore players . Should we just wait untill janruary is over and then see what has happened . I personly think we will sign 2 more players 1 permanently and another on loan ( hope so anyway ).
YNWA
Jamesy


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:20:11
Funny how in the space of one comment by Brendan Rodgers loads of our fans have become ITK's and can assure everyone that Suarez is leaving.

Get a grip.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:19:42
Hi Eds,

Any player that comes to out club we welcome with open arms but by the day Suarez is a liability off the field and sometimes on. He scores goals world class player but the controvesy ruins Liverpool FC 's name. Kenny could not face the media with proper answers over him and I feel Brendan at times struggles to back him. I feel we should cash in on him before his value drops not to a premier league team though. No one player is bigger than LFC. Had to let that out sorry

Thanks

GAM#


I agree, Suarez is embarrassing. He may be a great player, but he's embarrassing


He may do things differently to many fans on here - that's because he has something that a lot of the fans on here don't, and that is passion. This forum was full of people saying "bashing by the press is going to push Suarez out of the EPL". Keep posting these sorts of comments and it will be the fans who drive Suarez out.

I am not defending Suarez's actions, just his motives - the lad wants to score goals and win - isn't that what we all want?

Some people are just never happy, unless they have something to be unhappy about. I just can't understand it.

Liverpres


Thought the Teenagers with posters of. Him on their bed room walls would disagree with you!

Are you happy with the Clubs name continuously seen in a bad light.

Because of one player. I'm not saying get rid.
But he certainly needs reigning in and a bit of objectively from his fan club

Lyndon


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:14:13
Suarez is an immense talent, and the star of our team. But for 40 million (his approx. worth) who would sell him, assuming the money would be reinvested in new transfers. I really hate all the media crap, and while I support our player, there is certainly a grain of truth, as he infact falls almost every time someone comes near him, and he mouths off every time he doesn't get a call.

Nobody is bigger than the team. I would trade Suarez for a 20 million dollar (proven) striker, and Eriksen any day.


I think we could fetch £60m to be honest with all the money bag teams around today, I however would much prefer him to stay.

Plymouth Red.


Saurez does not 'fall over every time someone comes near him' you person. Get a grip. He's is a massive talent who we should cherish. Stop being so stupid.

ND


17 Jan 2013 22:55:34
Mate my worry is if we sell Surez then the money will be invested in 2-3. Pontential players instead of class player


Okay, lets say we got 50m, same as Torres. I'd go Damiao for 15-20m ( including agents fees etc), Eriksson for 20m, possibly 25m and then add 5-10m from summer budget and get Ter Stegen.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:12:29
Beyond football and rivalry - I wish Darren Fletcher a speedy recovery...

On the other hand I wish Man you would fall apart...

Good luck Darren,

Suffolk'n Red


Here, here - best wishes to Darren Fletcher

cozinoz


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:12:06
All this Luis Suarez hype is a largely irrelevant storm in a teacup. Drop the subject - it's a going nowhere dead end. You are killing your brain cells arguing about it and reading some of the arguments, a lot of you can't afford to lose many more. Now pack it in or you will be sent to bed. RED LENIN


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:09:05
Please reply do you think suarez will leave within the next year or so
Great site


I think it's going to depend on "off-field" matters. If this season's financial losses (i have no idea what they are or will be) are not sustainable to FSG, then they may be tempted to listen to any high offers. But there would be a huge backlash from the fans. Suarez is having a "Player of the Year" kind of season. ra1969


 

 

17 Jan 2013 22:08:00
Oh I do hate that smug glifnard Tony Pulis. Does he realise cheating works two ways, and that wrestling style tackling, stamping and set pieces that rely on physically prevent goalkeepers and defenders from being able to do anything (i.e. boxing the keeper in, pulling shirts and pulling players) is also cheating. That glifnard has no moral high ground for condemning 'cheating' and diving in the game but walks around like he is holier than Jesus. He is more full of poo than my toilet, and believe me I just layed a log in my toilet.

Jolly Red


Spot on Jolly Red. Stoke are an absolute under Pullis, a rugby team of cheats who try and beat up visiting teams - utterly anti football and awful to watch. Would so like to see them relegated.

ND


18 Jan 2013 00:01:49
Great post thought I was the only one who can't stand the sight of that clown, pulis future England manager, England rugby team that is ! Johnny d


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:57:52
People wanting experience all of a sudden.

Well we've got

Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez and Downing who all start regularly. It's not like Sturridge, Henderson or Allen haven't played lots of games either. Surely that's not a bad mix?

I know we could use another player with guile/craft but that could be somebody young. Erickson, Isco or Markovic (currently doing the rounds), all have that talent.

Personally I thought after Cole, Poulson, Morientes, Jovanovic etc people would want to run a mile on older massive contracted pro's. Yes none are world class, but all experienced, so is that what we really need?

Papa G


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:50:54
Hi eds, I would just like to know if you know of anything about Lazar Markovic signing apparently a young Serbian Chelsea have looked at, I have a picture of somebody who looks like him at the reserve game this week but I'm not sure how you upload {Ed002's Note - No need thanks.}


I found out already sorry, I'm not sure if its him but people who want to look can on the sightings bit anyway


I asked the same question of any updates, also posted a picture. turns out it's actually a hungarian trialist. Adam Anson a youth lfc player confirmed he was a CB on trial at LFC. He didn't know the players name and the lad didn't speak any english.
i do add that he looks like Markovic's twin brother....if he had one!

s.p


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:40:36
hey Eds, just wanted to know if there's any interest in 18 year old Olimpija forward Andraz Sporar? since he's came out and said his dream is to play for Liverpool one day may be a good prospect thanks

Jay Dillon (JD) {Ed002's Note - There is a guy from Torquay who has the same dream. It was all dealt with earlier on the Bristol Rovers page.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:55:26
Serbian starlet Markovic was spotted watching the U21 game against Southampton earlier this week.

trini_red {Ed002's Note - Exciting stuff.}


If it is the photo that is going round on twitter then it looks more like Enzo Fernandez Zidane but I maybe wrong
Murton Red


Is he good ed.. Would he be bought as a first team player


Is this true or just wishful thinking my sarcasm radar is off and couldn't tell from eds reply.
Unklemad


Hungarian trialist according to a youth player, shame


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:51:19
As far as any more players coming in...

Ince won't be coming and you have got more chance of Wesley snipes signing then sneijder. So people need to stop posting about chances of him coming. Transfers for LFC are finished for January. {Ed002's Note - Why not sign your posts - you do nothing but complain and bring doom and gloom - then turn on people like me. I appreciate you are one of a sickening group of Liverpool supporters who crave failure not success - just to get another dig at the owners in. They understand and appreciate that you can be sure.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:51:19
As far as any more players coming in...

Ince won't be coming and you have got more chance of Wesley snipes signing then sneijder. So people need to stop posting about chances of him coming. Transfers for LFC are finished for January.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:16:43
Hi all.

I as many other Liverpool fans I am wishing we get Sneijder.
Admittedly he is a expensive risk wages wise but its not like we haven't taken risks in past. Henderson, Carroll, young, over rated and unproven players. I don't see why we don't take the risk with a proven, world class player in his prime, and at 8 to 10 million a lot cheaper than the players we have wasted money on before. He is a winner, an experienced player. To qualities you don't get when you buy young players and to qualities are squad lacks.

Feel free to reply

Big john


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:11:57
eds could you answer this please.

Do you think there is a chance in the near future of football clubs screening the rights to there own games, ie if your a Liverpool fan then say they charge you £240 a year (£20 a month) then if you pay the subscription fee then you can watch ALL Liverpool games ?

BigD {Ed002's Note - Sort of is the answer and Tom Werner is the guy to ask about it at Liverpool. Arsenal and Liverpool are the two EPL clubs furthest ahead in future exploitation but I fear it is still a few years off due to licenses, streaming speeds etc.. But as a club LFC are on the ball with this.}


Thank you for the reply ed002.

I think I is the way forward but hey who I am i.

BigD {Ed002's Note - We both know who you are BigD and I still have the video from Northampton.}


So Ed do you think this is a good move for club? I am not entirely sure how it would work, what would happen to the likes of regarding premier matches?

Dan. {Ed002's Note - Spectacular if and when it happens, yes.}


Video from Northampton Ed002 ....

Im from Wolverhampton, 24 yrs old and names Dave, I have never been to Northampton so you must have me confused with a previous BigD ....

Thanks

BigD


With BT vision getting in on football.
It could be the start

Once the fibre broadband is nationwide it would see the true end if sky's monopoly.

Bigger clubs would see a much larger share. Which is driven by demand instead of collective bargaining now where Norwich get same as Liverpool man you Chelsea etc!

Lyndon


This is for Ed002 only.

Are you going to enlighten me with that video from Northampton as I have no idea what you are on about.

BigD {Ed002's Note - I was kidding BigD.}


I really hope in the next couple of years something happens regarding TV rights that allows the club exclusive screening rights, as I think its the way forward and would be hugely beneficial. Also its good to hear that that Liverpool are on the ball with this, hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later.

BigD {Ed002's Note - It won't be that soon in the UK.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:09:09
Luis is on his way out... Brendan/owners wants the money to build a new younger hungery team...


Suarez is only 25, and they don't get much hungrier for winning than him.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:05:43
Pass on my thanks to ed002 for that sneijder summary. That lion comment went over my head too.
Andrew {Ed002's Note - Actually that was a summary of a slightly longer rant which discussed birds walking and not flying as well. I had someone get me a tanslation of the statement and all she said was that it related to Hanafi teachings. I did not want to delve.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:01:42
Liverpool FC are going from bad to worse. From Senior Management to the Football Manager our wonderful club is being managed by totally inexperienced people and its have a really negative effect.

We all saw the Stoke City game and saw the dive from Suarez. HE GOT BOOKED remember. He also got stamped on. Every LFC saw he dived and BR I hope told him so in private. What BR done today showed his inexperience. He admitted what he done Which was wrong. All he had to do was have a word with him in private. But no he decides to create a media storm instead. BR continues to talk a good show and does little things like walking into the stands at UTD but he needs to realise this is LFC and 8th is not acceptable.

As we have no experienced PR person at the club they allowed this to happen. What stupidity. It will draw clubs interested in Suarez to our door as a result. Also Ayre should have had a word. Again lack of experience.

As for the PR crap from Ayre today about Werner and Henry this is total nonsense. We need visiability. We need people at this club and people who really want to invest. TRUST ME FSG WANT OUT. Henry is not coming because the pre season is about to begin for the red sox. What has happened in the last few months? Also he is not coming because his wife has just had a baby. Well Rafa remember not been able to go to his own Dad's funeral and managed LFC at a game.

Ayre said we are still a world class club and attract the best players. Wake up Ayre we don't have the cash or investment and also name me a world class club in 8th.

We as fans need to demand change because we are going nowhere fast


He had to say it over the media otherwise it looks like a club we accept diving which wouldn't be good

Londonred


So what was Brendon supposed to say when the press asked him about Suarez's admission of diving? He has to answer their questions and he said it has been dealt with in private and the club don't condone that behaviour.


You don't speak for all fans and Suarez never got booked for the dive against Stoke RFL you need to get your facts right before you come on for a rant and leave no name.

Red1


17 Jan 2013 22:23:55
You obviously missed the point that Suarez had told a journalist that he DID dive against Stoke and that it was splashed all over the back page of every English newspaper today!!
And what Rodgers actually said in the press conference, when asked about what was splashed all over the newspapers because of Suarez had said, was that he's spoken to Luis and it would be dealt with internally.
I see the origional post was just an excuse to have another pop at the manager.


Inter Milan, Valencia were quite good maybe not world class though

GAM#


Let me know how you go about demanding change!

Lyndon


It's been half a season with Rodgers. Grow up and at least give it one full season, 2 summer transfer windows, and the first 10 games of next season. . (Even if it is Crazy to limit a professional coach at a top club to that little time to show a turn around but that's the world we live in now it seems.)

And have you given any thought to the concept that the FA and the media love to pile on Suarez?

With Rodgers saying that he'd handle the matter in-house it puts an immediate stop block to any media or FA hitman saying something should be done about what Suarez admitted too.

And the reality is that Suarez and Rodgers can have a smile about it behind closed doors and maybe Rodgers can simply suggest to Suarez that he not give the media and FA any ammo to use against him.

And as far as a mega rich owner not coming over because he wanted to stay with his wife and new born, get a grip son, he owns the club he doesn't work here. And let's not forget that he'd be leaving his new child and wife to possibly come sit beside the that threatened her life because we didn't f*****g sign Clint p**y Dempsey.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:26:36
'create fire with the lions or fight fire with the birds'
is just a reference to fener and gala - galatasaray are also called Aslan or something along the lines which means lions whereas Fenerbahce has a bird in its club crest.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 21:19:07
Hello folks,
Do you think it's fair to say that the anger/frustration at the lack of interest in sneijder is more to do with our recent poor signings for big fees, rather than actually the Dutchman. He hasn't played in a long time and may not be the same player he was 2 seasons ago.
I don't personally know if he is worth the risk, however I do think if in July you had said to me, you can have Allen for 15 mill and say £40k/week or Sneijder for 8 mill and 150k/wk, there's no question I'd have Wesley. I understand these figures are way over simplified.
My point is we are willing to take big, very expensive risks on younger players and not on players with higher reputations.
Now some will say the young ones can be sold at some value, but if we were to sell them now, very few would make a profit. I'd estimate we could sell-
Borini- £5m
Allen- £7m
Downing-£7m
Hendo- £10m
Carroll-£10m

So with my estimates (my opinion) a loss of roughly 50 million. Not including wages, insurance, signing on fees, loyalty bonuses.
I'd far rather have risked this sort of cash on 1 or 2 proven world class players a la sneijder. And then used youth to fill in the rest of the squad. We'd now be in a far better position.
I'm not including other mistakes here like cole, Adam, sahin, and a few others.
Sorry for this rant, hope it makes sense(ish)

Jason


Thank you mr accountant

1 point you missing is worldclass players want champions league

Unless you want to pay 200k a week and risk administration again


Thanks for the pleasant reply no name. It's a hypothetical scenario. Occasionally world class players like Suarez sign for teams without champions league football. As for the risk of administration- if you took the wages paid to cole, sahin, Carroll, hendo, downing, Allen, borini, maxi, bellers, kuyt, Adam and any1 else who left in the summer, we could have easily afforded some high wages.
Well I digress, like I said its just a hypothetical point, but most likely the root of the frustration some fans seem to be feeling right now.
Jason


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:58:27
Start of the transfer window, from Liverpool FC- we have the money to compete for the best players, Liverpool Manager- We have some quality targets and hope to bring in a few, Liverpool Fans- Every footballer is joining us, Middle of Transfer window, from Liverpool FC yes we will compete and the money is there, from Liverpool Manager- There may not be any more additions, Liverpool Fans - Ok not every but maybe a few quality players will still come in.End of transfer window, from Liverpool FC, money is still there, Liverpool Manager- that's our transfer business finished, Liverpool Fans- WTF is going on?? I can probably say this for all our windows for the last few years. All the months we build up for the window hoping to get some quality players in and end up depressed at the end. MrT


We did spend money, lots of it, bad.

Big john


17 Jan 2013 22:13:53
If the players you want to spend the money on are not willing to come are you suggesting we just spend the money on the second best tier to show we can?

Here's a thought - we bid 16M for Jones - he choose elsewhere so we went for second choice Henderson. We went for Ashley Young at around 17M, he didn't come, we signed Downing at a similar cost.

That's around 30-35M on second choices - and signings most fans class as poor business.

So what's the answer, spend the same money on something because you need to, or keep it in reserve for a signing that would matter.

The way we've conducted business this year is the latter - and it's working out, who can say they'd prefer Clint over Raheem spending around 10M more (fee and wages) or Glyfi for 12M (again fee and wages) over giving Henderson and Downing chances.

The decisions made in August have been sound - I would have liked another striker - I think most of us would - but the 20M saved has given us Sturridge on next to no outlay.

I like the business principals!!


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:57:09
People seem to be talking about moneyball in the wrong sense - buying players with sell on value is not moneyball! that is in business terms "adding value"

The purpose of moneyball (which is hard to contextualise outside of its true sport baseball) is to by players that are "undesireable" or cheap because they do not appear to have certain qualities. It is hard to contextualise outside of baseball due to the sole fact that money ball revolves around "on base percentage".

This simply means the amount of time a player can stay on base in a baseball match. The idea of this is that the more time spent on base will result in inevitably more runs. Thus players are bought statistically to suit this etc.

I am pretty sure that the so called moneyball theory applied to LFC when FSG took over has been scrapped with the sacking of Comolli - that was where Comolli used Optastats and the likes to find passing accuracy, shooting accuracy etc.

Just want to clarify the difference between money ball and the sustainable approach that Rodgers is applying. I am certain that Rodgers policy, or FSG's policy, of buying young, and mostly British, is nothing to do with money ball but to create a sustainable and long lasting club whilst complying to the financial fair play rules and operating a healthy medium in terms of sales

Thanks
SR


This makes sense if they get it right. Not we buy young british players for FAR more than they are worth, then they play poorly for us (in the meantime we get left behind the other top teams) and then we sell them for a loss. It would make much more sense to buy a mix of cheaper young players to sell for a profit if the opportunity arrives, mixed with experienced, proven players that help us compete.
Right now we're buying at the height of their value, they play poorly, lose value, then we sell.
Jason


Totally agree Jason,

We'll also just have to wait until we can distinguish between the regime under Dalglish and Comolli and the regime under Rodgers and compare whether our fortunes have changed. We are still in transition from The Dalglish team which unfortunately didn't achieve what was hoped


True mate, I just hope Brendan doesn't make the same mistakes in the transfer market. Although early days, I fear the Allen and borini purchases may be pretty expensive mistakes (I've never seen Allen as the answer to our lack of creativity nor as defensively strong enough- as a result offers too little of either).
That being said I think (and hope) Sturridge and possibly assaidi will turn out to be shrewd deals.
So like you say, the jury is still out and time will tell. We can't afford too many more of these expensive mistakes though.
Jason


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:55:43
Ed's, I bet you can't wait until Sneijder moves to another club haha.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:52:11
Liverpool still have time to make an offer for Wesley Sneidjer


Yeah right, more likely to buy another joe average for some crazy fee.. why would we want a top player?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:48:59
Luka Modric unsettled in Madrid. Don't be suprised if Brendan enquired about the Croatian. I believe madrid paid 30 million. I think we would get him for around 20 million.


17 Jan 2013 21:52:22
Or a loan?


Not in a million years would modric want to join liverpool


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:47:46
No doubt after his latest outburst in the papers regarding his diving Luis Suarez WILL leave us in the summer.

I certainly don't condone his latest actions but I cannot blame him if he were to leave, as we are a club that is NOT progressing and we are further way now from competing to win the premiership.

We have a small squad which is simply just NOT good enough and I think it will be a LONG time before we are challenging for major honours again.I think we will finish in the top 10 this season, however we will NOT be able to attract top players in the future.

As for next season after Suarez has gone, I think we will have an interesting one in terms of staying up, the future is NOT bright.

alan50


Wow, a negative and pessimistic view from alan50, who would have seen that coming?

Andy K


Oh joy, Alan50 is posting again. Search under his name and you will find the most negative un-supporting comments on this forum. Cheer up Alan ffs, the season will be over soon enough and you can have 3 months respite from doom and gloom.

cozinoz


Good god alan, do you spend your life engulfed in this misery or are you just a wind up merchsnt? get a grip man will you it enough to make someone do serious damage to themselves. smile for a change it doesn't cost anything!

ian the red


I see what you done with the capitals there! Impressive!


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:45:13
We need new players. Not a 35 year plan to get top 4. The squad is thin and will never compete. I thought Kenny was failing when he was manager but I'm starting to think he was a better manager than BR. At least we had 2 cup runs to cheer about. I can see it being a long boring rein under Rodgers signing no good players and winning no big games. This has been the worst season ever and the stats show it. Just wait till we don't turn up against Arse and Cite the boo's will start {Ed001's Note - you do realise we are still in 2 cups this season don't you?}


These are some of the players who have left in the last 12 months. Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi, Cole, Aurelio, Adam, Aquilani, Darby & Amoo. Carroll & Spearing on loan.

We have recruited young players with talent and international experience and promoted some talented youngsters.

From the first list who will we miss in the next 2 years? And do you expect the players in the 2nd group to be world-beaters this year?

Support the bleedin team and have some patience.

PieInTheSkyMan


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:37:13
I'd bring Andy back, is there any chance he will play in a lpool shirt again? Anyone welcome him back I know I would, he's young can score goals and uses his strength bullys defences and he still owes us a lot after all.


17 Jan 2013 21:47:09
In a word....no.


He's crap

Chris in Tamworth


17 Jan 2013 21:50:27
except he can't score goals

hounsred


17 Jan 2013 21:50:42
Maybe jumpers for goalposts, small boys in the park. That's the only way I can ever see Andy playing in a Liverpool shirt again.


Tell ya one thing, he'd have been a great man to bring on in the last 20 minutes at Old Trafford. I know he isn't a goalscorer but he causes havoc in the box allowing others to capitalize. Remember the end of last season when he was giving it his all and starting to do well? I think he deserved another season. Still do.

Mantis


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:31:25
We really need to sign two top players this month. I think we should sign sneijder and drop gerrard back to DM with Lucas. I also think we need another experienced attacking option. I'd go for anelka.

Marcel19


Jeez, you really need to do some research if you think Anelka is our best option


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:28:21
Borini, Suarez, Sturridge, Suso, Shelvey, Lucas, Allen, Henderson, Coates, Wisdom, Kelly > future of LFC up to now.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:25:59
I don't know why we are so worried about Suarez, Suarez is 25-26 he is in his peak and needs to play for team who have a chance to win trophys not hang to a team finishing 7-9. We all knew he is not going to stay here for 5-8 years and waste his talent or we are not in a position to keep players like Suarez sad but true. It will take us 5-10 years to be where we want to so we need young hungry players not players on their peak coz they will just be wasted.


17 Jan 2013 21:51:08
Sometimes players are just happy with their life where they are, besides who's to say suarez won't win ANOTHER trophy with Liverpool this season or next season or the one after that....?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:21:17
Where are Werner's January marquee signings that he promised would put a smile on the fan's faces? Sturridge is good but not the big signing we were promised after the last transfer window fiasco and tbh I couldn't give a damn about Tom Ince signing or not. Only proven players will help us reach the top 4. Mid table mediocrity awaits


I thought he said 'exciting' not 'big' or 'marquee'? Not the same thing exactly. I do find Sturridge exciting so far.

Andy K


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:19:42
I honestly think we do have a chance of sneijder however I don't think we are in for him. I think if he was 2 years younger we would make a move but at 28 I don't think he fits into fsg's plans. I don't agree with this I believe to develop young players you need a couple of experienced players as role models, I believe Wesley would be ideal for our youngsters to learn from. Personally I really hope we enquire about him. Moving on... Ince, I am not going to judge him but I don't think he's needed, if downing leaves then maybe but in my opinion sterling is the future for our left wing problem not Ince. I think 2 players will arrive before the end of the month I would love sneijder to be one of them but as I said I can't see us going in for him. I would like to see a left back come in to help out Enrique as I don't like Johnson playing at left back, he brings a lot more from the right for me. I have watched Martin Olsson the Blackburn left wing/full back last season an watched him couple of times this year an I think he is worth a bid just to give Enrique a bit of competition, I like Robinson but I don't think he's ready yet. Agree or disagree thought I'd share my opinion. Looking forward to a snowy game Saturday ill be there in kop as usual. Come on redmen. Enjoy the weekend eds/fellow reds :) Graeme 91 {Ed001's Note - a couple of experienced players such as Carra, Gerrard, Agger, Reina, Skrtel and Downing perhaps?}


Yeah but not downing ed.
Graeme 91 {Ed001's Note - why not? You wanted experienced players, Downing has plenty of that.}


You forgot Johnson (28) Enrique (27) and even Lucas and Suarez both 25 but with serious experience.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:40:05
Derdiyok is being lined up expect a 8 million to be accepted tomorrow. Medical Monday/Tuesday. {Ed002's Note - NOt by Liverpool.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:38:47
Who knows what will happen regardless of what Rodgers says, I remember the last transfer window when we were told someone would come in and then didn't, the fans were so disappointed and angry (as they had a right to be) but I don't think Rodgers would risk that again if there's a chance a deal could fall through. On the other hand, maybe he doesn't want to sign anyone, like I said, who knows. HullRED


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:11:40
Rodgers says we'll make no big signings = Everyone pissed.
Rodgers says fans will be excited about signings (ie. Borini) = Everyone pissed.
It makes me jump to the conclusion that everyone is just pissed.


Welcome to the world.....


Or rodgers is deluded that borini is a signing that would excite liverpool supporters


This is what happens when you spend all day in the pub ....
The Borini bit, I think most were unhappy because the standards of most of our fans are quite high, and when the manager expects fans to be excited by Borini, it felt that his ambitions did n't match those of the fans ..

Roy


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:10:19
It frustrates me how the owners are going to take us back to the top if they don't invest in quality world class players, ok we have Suarez who to me is world class and of course our very own Steve g for me is the best ever player to wear the red shirt, but apart from that what other players would get into the top 2or3 clubs in premier league? this for me is the problem we've had for a while but then is was Torres and Gerrard.i don't see many world class players in our team who can change a game? {Ed002's Note - And you think the owners pick the transfers?}


Well obviously they have some say in whether they buy the player or not, ie dempsey


{Ed002's Note - And you think the owners pick the transfers?}

============================
Probably the owners don't pick names, but don't they dictate the non-footballing profile of the player, and with that I mean age/price type of underware they wear etc ? Or am I wrong?

Roy {Ed002's Note - That is true Roy.}


You think Dempsey would walk on to the top 3 teams? Really?

And Lucas would get a game for most top teams, Agger too, Johnson maybe. That's 5 players in our starting 11 that are top class. Develop some youth like Jonjo, Sterling, and Suso. Add in 2 more top level 25-27 years olds and we have a seriously promising future. Of course, this would take at least a year to be built sensibly and most fans won't wait that long.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:06:08
Ahoy - for all those stating we don't sign "World Class" players.

Please can you all give me a few names and examples of us signing proven "World Class" stars.

One exception is Suarez, not for his Ajax goals, but his international reputation and performances.

I know many will trot out Torres, Alonso or Mascherano however the two spaniards weren't proven established top notch stars but were on the way up when they joined, and Mascherano has been festering in West Ham's reserves not many months previously.

So for those constantly wishing for "World Class" stars to sign please back up your wishes with examples from our past.

As Gareth said earlier we sign them, then make them "World Class" (i.e. Dundee, Leonardson, Stewart, Gonzalez, Kennedy (Mark not Ray or Alan)

BOILED ONIONS


Spot on my friend, Liverpool make the stars, and not just Alonso, Liverpool made the legend in defence that was sami hyypia


 

 

17 Jan 2013 20:01:25
Eds do you think the liverpool game vs norwich will be cancelled due t heavy snOw? {Ed002's Note - Sparky says no.}


Hope not. I can't go 2 weeks without a game!

cozinoz


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:52:16
tony pulis on tv giving off about saurez diving in the game between the to at anfield, like the whole world couldn't see it was adive my god sure it was an embarrassment of a dive, but my point is that pulis is some craic giving out about diving and ridding it from the game which is fair enough but he doesn't mention, the stamping, elbowing, grabbing hold of other players in the box at set pieces and constant kicking of players legs all off which his players are pretty adept at which in my opinion is as big an epidemic in the game as diving, players should be able to express themselves on the pitch without the fear of another going through the back of them, elbowing them or stamping on them, i'm not condoning the dive but in the same game huth did stamp all over saurez and got away with it so really the question is which offence is worse, diving to gain advantgae or stamping to injure a player . {Ed002's Note - The thing is it is not about anybody else. The answer is LS was a jerk to say anything - it'll go away much quicker if you just drop the matter.}


With what you and the ed say if the fare actually did anything about these situations then pulis is correct and these occurrences would be eradicated from the game


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:52:08
Another one for you all after yesterdays effort.

Who is the best full back we have had? Neal, Lawler, Jones, tv as the eds call him, Kennedy, Byrne?

Let me know what you think.....

Cheers Eds & thanks for keeping the site up and running in view all the abuse you get)

Crooky
YNWA {Ed001's Note - what about Nicol?}


Ahoy - Otsemobor, Burrows, Konchesky or Josemi !!!

BOILED ONIONS


They were all very good players. I have to say, Steve Finnan in my opinion was one of the most underrated players we've had. Consistent all the time. Not saying he's better than the rest at all before I get slated. Just saying, an underrated player.


Don't forget Nicky Tanner


17 Jan 2013 23:39:21
Stevie Nicol

All day long, what a player if I am right the only position he never played for us was striker and he did a job in every position.

Lets here it for the ginger pele !!

Kobi


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:46:52
Hi everyone,

Does anyone else remember Phil Babb v Chelsea - when he hit the post.......I really fely for him.

I think we all winced when we saw the whole frame of the nets wobble!

Crooky
YNWA


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:40:42
Do you guys have any patience? Maybe he isn't going for Sneijder with 200,000 a week and 7-8 m because he has a Summer target like Eriksen, Siem De Jong etc. Just hold out for the Summer and someone may be available. If we do sign Sneijder on a 4 year contract at 100 grand a week he might just be another Joe Cole when he is 30. What's the point in that? If he is a flop then it's too valuable of a flop. If we buy Eriksen, De Jong in the Summer and they aren't exactly great then we can just recoup some of the money because of their ages.

Be patient and think logically.

BthekingB


U can't compare sneijder to cole it's different class you dope there in a different league literally ha!


The funniest post of the day ha ha ha


I don't think we will be getting Eriksen if i'm honest, but I still can't see the sense in Sneijder either. Not on those wages.

The Irish Rover


Will you be saying wait until the January window half way the next summer one?

At the end of that awful window last summer, it was all wait until Jan 2013. Well here it is, one signing which should have been done last August. Three out and BR saying nothing much left to do.

Same old, same story in the Summer.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:33:36
ED?

Why can LFC not borrow a large ammount of money for squad rebuilding? If we borrowed heavily we could slowly repay as we achieve success rather than wait and slowly build. It seems madness to "live within our means" if that means we can't offer the biggest transfer fees and the biggest wages.

If I ran the club I would spend spend spend with borrowed money and makes us the envy of the world.

Just a thought {Ed001's Note - good job you don't own a club, or did you own Portsmouth recently?}


Worst post I have ever read


Not a good thought though.

Andy K


Oh boy do I love Ed002, if only I could like their comment seperately!


It's clearly a Joke if you've never been on the internet before...


Erm, that was Ed001.........awkward

cozinoz


I'd dreed to think what other thoughts you have!!

Lyndon


18 Jan 2013 14:01:34
Hey Coz, it was a case of mistaken EDentity.

Yeah, your welcome. :)

WelshBoyDave


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:23:03
This Suarez Business is so full of hypocrisy it is untrue. First of all, every man and his dog saw him throw himself to the floor. They also saw him getting kicked about all game and getting nothing. It was not just a dive, it was the worst bit of falling over I have ever seen - but I understand why he did it. If everyone saw him do it, why is he being reprimanded for him saying that he did it? We know he did it, and we knew he did it before he said so. If a punishment is due, surely it should have been done then?

Secondly, didn't he get a yellow card at the time? I thought he did, but can't be sure. I know he definately didn't get a penalty for it. What else are the club going to retrospectively punish players for? Handball on the line gets a fine? Or Reina saves a penalty, but it was seen on TV afterwards that he was way off his line - fine him? It just doesn't make any sense to me. He did it, there is a ref there, he got punished, game continues.

And thirdly, why aren't all other players getting sanctioned and vilified? Did Man you punish Scholes for admitting to purposefully hurting opposing players that he didn't like? And that was in his autobiography, let alone an interview. I don't remember him getting in any hot water when he came back out of 'retirement' last season. There are countless other examples I could give.

It is just such a non story, yet it is getting all this coverage. Sly Sports said - 'Liverpool supported him for racially abusing Evra, but aren't supporting him over this'. How ridiculous a statement is that? Some powerful people somewhere don't like him - I can't think of any other explanation. Who they are and what their motives are we can only guess. It may be just to sell papers portraying him as a pantomime monster that people love to hate, or it may be something more sinister - who knows?

Finally, the huge respect I had for Suarez before this 'story' is now even greater. It was probably not the most PC thing to say, but it was honest, and I respect honesty in adversity above all.

David Brent is better at PR than our Luis, but you know what? I wouldn't have him any other way. Respect to you lad, you've got my support.

Nick


Sorry Nick, Suarez had my full support during all of what happened last season, but the person need to keep his mouth shut, he had no reason what so ever to talk about diving ... he opened a can of worms and the club will be punishing him for opening his mouth not the dive.

Roy


Sorry Nick, Suarez had my full support during all of what happened last season, but the person need to keep his mouth shut, he had no reason what so ever to talk about diving ... he opened a can of worms and the club will be punishing him for opening his mouth not the dive.

Roy


You make a joke of Liverpool supporters when you say that you like him more because he admitted to cheating.....also I think you mean keane, not scholes...?


You need to read his complete interview, it's all well and good picking bits out of it but there was a lot more in it than his dive, he has a go at the media referees and the FA, I would think that is of more concern to the club than a confession that everyone and his dog knew about

Bobbinred


17 Jan 2013 22:14:47
Completely 100% agree


I really think Suarez is trying to move on and stop this behaviour. Saying he dived was poor judgement on his part but I feel he was being honest, highlighting when he truly did do a dive, admitting it, and attempting to turn over a new leaf. Since he was carded for the dive maybe he feels it was ok to speak about it. I don't really know..just a thought. the whole thing just seems ridiculous to me.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:28:18
Rodgers has said he's not interested in sneider


We knew that would be the case, he probably wants Leon Britton


17 Jan 2013 20:35:23
just a quick 1.do a lot of the moaners on here also go on the menopausal man talk site aswell?


So, Whiskeynose said he wouldn't sell Real Madrid a virus and two weeks later, Ronaldo went. Managers don't always tell you the full truth, why would they, not with our press anyway. Let's be patient (remember that bit) and see what happens.

Keith


Borini excites the fans.. I like BR but he needs to remember this club is used to having some of the best players in the world..


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:15:07
Will Suarez STAY {Ed052's Note - you just asked me if he would leave? Why ask if you know the answer?}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:14:57
Eds what are the chances of Suarez leaving in January. {Ed052's Note - none}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:05:55
Rodgers was clear in his Press Conference. He doesn't expect any more signings, we definitely won't be signing Sneijder, and for some reason he is happy to leave the squad the way it is right now. I really hope that he and FSG know what they are doing. I'm going to trust them, and I guess if they are building for the future then one day we will look back at these days as being necessary. As frustrating as it is, I believe financial stability will assure us many years of success in the future.


No he didn't say that at all, what he said is on the official website, why make such negative comments


What press conference did you watch.


The squad we have is very capable, to be fair. I'm actually glad the manager doesn't feel pressured by some fans to make quick-fix signings which don't help the squad. Any money he has to spend now he should save and put it towards a 'marquee' signing in the summer.


He wasn't sure whether any more signings were coming in... but the squad is so thin that we definitely do need backup. He said that if there is availability then he would sign.


He said the total opposite you headcase!
JJ


17 Jan 2013 21:46:30
That's the complete opposite to what he said, he actually left the door open and stated that they were hoping to add to the group.
As for the Sneijder comment, he never gave a deffinate no but what do you expect him to say...yes we're in talks with him, so that everyone else rushes and jumps in. Best to say no and then all of a sudden say, hello we signed Sneijder today.


"I couldn't see that happening." - BR in response to whether we will be getting Sneijder

cozinoz


Does 'signings' cover 'loans'..?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:05:40
Hi ed can any1 tell me why we're not looking at a creative midfielder, I can't believe the club is looking to sign Tom ince again? I really feel the owners are looking for young talent so in a few years they can get good value for them and sell them on, these owners have not done nothing to say to me they're going to take us back to the top. Just my views,


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:02:02
I just wonder how long the club will continue to sweep the mess Suarez leaves behind.

We all kno that Lfc is a stepping stone to barca, Real, citeh or chelski for him. He signed a new deal in the summer I hear to say? Our insurance to get maximum transfer fee & increased by for him until he leaves.

It's going to be a long tough frustrating season for our fans I feel. I think we desperately need a playmaker in midfield, but everything is too be left to the summer, it's like we are writing this season off.

Jimbob


Suarez isn't going anywhere just yet. You are a Liverpool supporter aren't you? He might leave himself open to it but this is all just media excrement. They don't like us, we loathe them. Simples ...

ND


Which Summer Jimbob? Every window is the same here?

Got targets, working on targets, doing business early, can afford any player in the world...so long as its the right place, right time, right money, moon is full, 3 magpies land on Bills statue at 3pm on the dot, they're under 24, like the Beatles, happy with £10k a week and are English

Lining up those ducks Tom and Ian


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:00:18
there was news today about the stadium, it will hold 60000 seats.
i am from malta i believe that there are 15000 on the waiting list so the problem for us wanting to come from abroad remains the same.


17 Jan 2013 19:59:08
Miles more than 15000 on the waiting list mate

Ashy


 

 

17 Jan 2013 19:00:03
So, Rodgers is meant to say in press conferences that we are going to make big signings?

Leave the window pan out and we can discuss it then


I left the pan outside the window today but it filled up with snow!


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:55:08
In my eyes realisticly FSG are saying we're balancing the books wich is fine we all know we're in transition... They have also said we would be excited by our January transfer activity either something has changed or they seriously believe that sturridge is a big name signing... They should know that compared to what this club is used to sturridge is not a big name signing! I'm just worrid for the future because the fans will turn against them with false promises, Rodgers said on meny occasions "let's just wait till January so we can reinforce the group" everybody was expecting some good signings! Players who are gunna take sterling downing ect... Out the team! But that's not the case isit! The way I see it is they have 2 more windows to back up there words if they don't I fear there just init for themselves to make money...
Signings young players who they can be SOLD for more money in the future that's what they have said there goal is... So basically any player who is 26-30 won't be bort in because they can't make money of them! It's a shame because were only gunna go up the league with quality and right now we don't have!


They never said we would make big name signings, like you said they said we would be excited by who we bring in. We have brought in sturridge and he has scored a goal a game since. That's exciting!

MIKEY


Im pretty excited about having Sturridge. He already seems like a player we have been missing - not just a tap-in merchant but has power and pace and is young. He could end up being a steal for 12m

cozinoz


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:52:44
Hi eds

a question on the redevelopment of anfield. I'm abut confused as why the redevelopment capacity is only going to be 60,000. Would it not be better to try increase it to 70,000+??

I don't mean to knock it for the sake of it and obviously details haven't been released but it is always quoted as been 60,000.
I would imagine we would have no bother filling a much higher capacity anfield.

Or maybe I'm spliting hairs here?

Redbelly {Ed052's Note - the limit to capacity is 60. It cannot go to 70. Building a new stadium would not be economically viable.}


Build a 90 thousand seater and halkf the ticket prices and it ll be full {Ed002's Note - Very tough for the club to go above 60k.}


And Ed I feel with current economic environments situ showing no sign of abating 60k is way to go.Just look at stadia s even in Prem Leauge the dip has started to affect Footy.I know plenty of lads who cannot afford to go anymore as it is.The Golden time for attendances H and G missed out on


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:44:53
Sneijder not coming! What a joke. We will never be more than a mid table club with the current crop of players. We need proven talent not just potential! Sneijder is hardly over the hill at 28. He's in his prime and is the Dutch captain. He's available for little over 6 million. A year ago he would have been worth 20 million! Who the hell is running our club? We are going to fall further and further behind the top 4 if we don't invest! How much longer are the club going to put up with Henry's reluctance to back the current manager and let our once proud club slip forther and further behind. Suarez will go in the summer and Gerrard's best days are behind them. The decline and rot will set in. Mark my words we are quickly becoming the next Blackburn rovers or Leeds utd! {Ed052's Note - if you were running our club then we would be the next Pompey...}


Just an observation.... Its a bit difficult to mark your words when we don't know who you are.
Also, you say that 'Gerrards best days are behind them'. Who are 'them'? My suggestion to the owners would be to move 'them' backwards, so that Gerrards best days would presumably then be 'in front of them'. would this be quantum physics at work?


sorry, this reply was intended as a joke.
Like your post?

BigBadBen


Ha ha ha. He wants us to spend huge money on players so we don't become the next leeds. That's hilarious. Someone needs to brush up on his football knowledge.


Nail on the head there Ed any club needs to balance the books unless having a sugar daddy.

To many clubs are teetering on the brink and all liverpool fans would hate doing exactly what leeds did

Pardoe


Look at Barcelona, they built their club from youth and non-expensive signings.... Best team in the world much :/


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:36:34
BR keeps saying he needs to add to the "Group" but no real movement, not expecting Messi to Sign, but see players like Snijder Up for grabs, and we should be busting a gut to get him, as for Ince I think we should force B'Pools hand once and for all !
Butland would be a great signing and I think to miss out would be a great shame!

StainesRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:26:30
All this with luis is the start of a summer move !!
Why did he sign a new contract .... Because he was promised a move if lfc don't get champions league !! Fact !!
This is a the preleaving dance and to be honest he is one of the best strikers in world football, finishing 6, 7, 8 isn't what he wants . Fsg will happily take the money !! Remember alonsos last season, by far his best !! This is how " money ball works !! Player plays well, moves on club make money ! We will look on the moores, even h.g and rafa years with tears in our eyes !! Remembering how the big players wanted to come !! Now we will be a stepping stone !!
Redjay


If Suarez wants to leave, let him leave.


17 Jan 2013 19:57:21
Redjay mate I'm afraid even getting Champions league is not enough to keep players like Suarez, Suarez is in his peak this is time for him to win trophys not hang on a team finishing 8-9th. The contract which your talking is just a ploy to get more money if we sell him or he decides to leave, we are in a position that we need young hungry players not players on their peak coz will take 5 years or more to be where we want players who are on peak will be wasted just like our own Gerrard who hasn't win league title till now and will never win.


If you look on the cowboy years with fondness then you don't know how close they took the club to administration. Big names didn't join in the last two years because there was no money.


You have not seen the contract Redjay and are purely speculating. That's the only Fact here.

Davey Sulls.


Who would blame him if he left, a player of that talent should be in the champions league. liverpool are miles away from getting back in it.


Luis will go that's the fact !! If a player like him tries as hard As he has it's for championships or a move .can anyone really blame him?? Plus fsg have a perfect reason to sell ! That my friends is how" moneyball works !
And for Steve g as molby, Barnes and of course kenny if he was 5 years younger he would move now !! Before people say he could have gone to Chelsea we was a team going places !!


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:24:27
please tell me how things are going with Michel Bastos?

Liverpool interested in him now? I know that in the summer there were some negotiations, but it is possible if his transfer in January ... Lyon, to my knowledge, is in financial difficulties, and could let him go.

I think it would be a perfect transfer
1) Wing player Liverpool really need.
2) Can play on the left in the defense, providing reliable protection Jose Enrique.


1) He's not Free and won't play for peanuts

2) He's not 21

3) He's not English

4) Our thin squad, less 3 players is well balanced - don't need him


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:21:31
Hey eds, just thought I'd give my 2 cents on the Suarez 'crisis'. To be honest I think BR is just saying he'll deal with it behind doors etc. to silence the media and then just have a quiet word with Luis on handling the media, no fine, no transfer impending, just a smart PR move by BR to deflect the pressure and heat from the media

Irish Redman


17 Jan 2013 20:15:52
There's probably not a lot that would deflect the media bs firestorm over this.

But if he's just going to have a word, then he should say he's just going to have a word, rather than a more cryptic "it'll be dealt with internally", which leads to more speculation than already exists.

- Something Red -


 

 

17 Jan 2013 18:20:19
I love Liverpool to bits but i think the way things are run and the players we go for we can never be classed has a top 4 team . we go for average players when we used to only go for the best players around and all players wanted to play for us


Completly agree. He had to say what he did to please the FA and Media. If he had stuck upfor Suarez more back lash would have came. Just a word from the manager to Suarez and everything will be ok.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 17:59:06
Eds what do you make of the recent interviews from Gerrard and Suarez about the young player policy is it something to worry about? I mean they seem against it maybe it was a messge to FSG?

But then if were interested in Selcuk Inan than were not only interested in young players cause he's 27 or 28 ? {Ed052's Note - dont worry about ehat they say. They need to play and be a bit more quite tbh}


I think we should buy young quality not young hype. We signed suarez for 23mhe is now worth 50. We should be going the best young players. In my opinion we should sign a number 10 and that should be eriksen or isco. We will probably have to pay about 15 million but give it 2 years and that will be 40 million which we can then reinvest.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 17:57:17
phil neville addmitted to diving after chelsea game and everyone thought it was a great gesture . luis does it and everyone slates him again fair enough he's no angel but the bluenoses stuck by him and i hate to say it the mancs stood by cantona when he attacked a fan if suarez had done that he would have got life


It was after the derby and moyes said it was wrong made him apologise and fined him a weeks wages. You make excuses and defend him.says it all really
Jab E FSG C


17 Jan 2013 20:12:16
Its because Liverpool are the most hated club in the Prem


Errr... we didn't defend him... BR himself said that it looked like a dive and Luis got a yellow card for it. Awk


It's incredible ain't it


 

 

17 Jan 2013 17:56:10
Hi Eds and Reds, the talks of Wilfried Bony has died down. He is an excellent finisher, gud pace, gud dribbler too and would fit our style of play. Bony and Sneijder would be a perfect addition.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 17:43:34
Hi eds just wondering have liverpool ever looked at Sami Khedira of Real Madrid? Talented player would he be available? Cost much etc...?

Alves {Ed052's Note - there would be no chance. You are looking at £30m for him. Why would he leave?}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 17:41:28
Eds fellow reds .look like another rubbish transfer window again then sturridge the only one in .ayre saying we can attract top player, we proberbly can but fsg/Ayre won't sign them .mid league team for next 5 years


We don't need a host of new players, what we need is for the players to have the right attitude; look what happened when it was right in the second half at Old Trafford.


Brendan has stated that he hopes to do more business in this window, so I guess we will all have to wait and see. aklfc


I just think FSG don't want to fund the club hence we have been clearing the wage bill and selling players on as much as we can.

Ayre is talking rubbish, money and trophys attract top players, both of which we don't have.

Suarez will be sold on the last day of the window.... {Ed052's Note - if FSG didn't want to fund the club, then a) why buy it? B) how come they've invested tens/hundereds of millions?}


I could have sworn that we won one of the trophies available in the last 12 months.

Andy K


ED tens of hundreds of millions lol that's more than man rubbishty. Antrim Red


 

 

17 Jan 2013 17:34:38
I think your interpretation of who gets the money from shirt sales is incorrect to some extent.
You are right as regards the manufacturer etc but as regards the retailer I think you are wrong.
What happens is that on all shirt sales LFC are deemed to be the retailer and therefore get the retailers cut.
However LFC then franchise out to other outlets like JJB etc to sell the shirts for which JJB get a percentage of what LFC get which varies from franchise to franchise depending on the amount of sales they can produce.
This can range from a small percentage of the share to a very large percentage.
This method also stops just anyone from selling the shirts without the express permission of LFC otherwise every street corner shop could sell them etc.
I obviously haven't seen the contract that LFC have but I do know this is the normal arrangement in these type of shirt sponsorship deals throughout sport with one or two exceptions.
I would be very surprised if this was not the arrangement LFC had bearing in mind the shirt selling potential.
They would have to be mad not to be the main retailer.
Hope this helps.

{Ed002's Note - I have never seen so much rubbish and I assume some sort of joke.}


We basically get paid a flat fee of 25m a year as regards profits from the shirt sales. It's called kit sponsorship. Obviously, the clubs who sell more kit get better deals. Our current deal is good because it only covers the kit, we get separate profits from selling LFC branded non-kit clothing with the warrior deal where we didn't with the Adidas deal, which covered kit and non-kit.

SpudRed,


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:48:26
What is with all the supporters today, Brendan says they'll deal with Suarez internally & all of a sudden everyone goes into a blind panic saying/asking if Suarez is leaving, etc. Talk about jumping to conclusions! Cool your beans & keep the faith.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:48:11
I don't get it - I just don't get it. Ian Ayre again sprouting something in spanish they call 'caca de la vaca'


He's going on about real progress having been made so far. Mr Ayre LFC has had the worst starts to s season in over 100 years and not beaten any of the top half of the table teams. There is no consistency and in the game against Man you we demonstrated that we cannot compete for a full 90 mins and infact the performance for 60 mins was abysmal and unacceptable.

The new proposed pay structure will further deter the biggest talent, experienced or youth. The forthcoming games and results will tell all as regards progress......


RedDoc


Agreed. The season so far has been dire. How disappointing for us fans.


I know it's not what most want to hear but it's called progress and not instant success because it takes a steady progression over time.

You hire someone to build a house, day 2 you don't walk on site and say this is crap, there are no bedrooms or toilets in here, and the Tele is not even hooked up yet.

SpudRed


Spud red were is the progress

mike


Mike, back to my house analogy; We are pouring the foundation at the moment by buying youth (We fielded the younger premier league team this year with an avg age of 23) and we are getting set to start putting up the wood frame by teaching the players how to play in this system with confidence and energy and fewer mental mistakes.

I've said it before, judge Rodgers after 2 summer windows and 10 games in to next season. You'll see progress.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:47:22
Only reading into this whole performance based contract from what i'm seeing on here i'm assuming/guessing it will mean larger bonuses for winning games, trophies, champions league qualification ect. But also assuming will also contain higher appearance fees clean sheet bonus goal bonus assist bonus maybe ? Now if this is the case and players are playing to be rewarded better what will happen if lets say were 2-0 up game looks all but won (but not!) sturridge is through on goal one on one with keeper simple pass to the right suarez has a tap in 3-0 but if sturridge can bury it he knows that's another 5k instead of 2k for an assist in this weeks wage packet. He chooses to have a go keeper saves it resulting in a counter attack 2-1 game not so safe Reina just lost his clean sheet bonus suarez no goal bonus cause sturridge took the shot instead of the simple pass......Happy dressing room ? ? Not saying it will happen just a thought. Money is the root of evil and makes even the rich very selfish ! !

Sandwich05


Any player that's slows down long enough to give a seconds thought to any of that claptrap will look like a donkey. The game is way too fast and the ball is played with instinct, skill, muscle memory, and from repetitive training.

That bonus stuff that has no bearing on the reality inside a game. Hell, all the media nonsense, flash cars, and most of the stadium noise doesn't even register with the players once they on the other side of the chalk lines.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:41:09
Heard that Jon Flanagan is out for the season so let's Hope for a speedy recovery and him coming back stronger than ever!

Thatracoonstolemybacon


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:36:50
Agger and Skrtel are not working. They hardly form a formidable defensive partnership. We are leaking way to many goals.


New system and learning curve. And Agger and Skerts are an excellent partnership, very well suited to what Rodgers want to play, it'll just take time for it to become 2nd nature.

SoudRed


Not really? Look at teams around us it's about the same. Not only that consider how many goals we leaked at the start due to Brendan style of passing around our back. No way is it their fault. Them two are awsome

London red


Absolutely London Red. The way we play is great but the defence need to learn when NOT to play around with the ball on the edge of our box. There are times when they need to put their foot through the ball and get in down the pitch. Too many times we've been closed down too quickly and given chances away.

ND


All points above have portion of validity


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:36:27
Watching the re run of the U21s game against Southampton - what a great bunch we have, Rodolfo is superb. Nice to be able to actually see Texiera play and what he can do


17 Jan 2013 18:20:10
Rodolfo is superb, but alex inglethorpe is now the u21 manager (incase you didn't know), but all the staff at kirby are fantastic, the future's bright the future is RED! (Scousered).


17 Jan 2013 19:19:20
Wow I must be behind the times! Thanks for that :-)


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:36:22
saurez to be sold in the summer they have just about had enough of him seem SAF was right


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:33:08
People are all upset about transfers. You have to take a step back. Sahin leaving isn't a huge deal. He was on loan, so losing him doesn't affect us long term which is what matters. Everyone wanted Cole off the team, so losing him isn't a huge deal.

January isn't the time for huge, club changing transfers. Look two years ago, Chelsea bought Torres in January and it's a disaster. We bought Carroll, disaster. I realize we also bought Suarez but he cost alot less than those guys.

Bringing in a 12 mil guy Sturridge is a great buy. Is he going to be RVP and score 30 goals in a season? Probably not. But can he be a threat, score 15 or so, be verstatile so he can fit with different players. That's a good buy.

We also were planning to buy Ince, we valued him at a price. Seemingly Blackpool wanted more, so at this point we haven't signed him. That's the way it goes.

I'd love to sign Sneijder or a player of that ability now, but just think it through. Could we afford his wages, probably. But what happens when Suarez who just signed a new contract sees Sneijder makig more than him. Luis is going to say "hey, i've been carrying this club on my back for 2 years, I need to make more than Sneijder." Gerrard says "Im one of the 5 best players in this clubs history and I've been the heart and soul of it for a decade, I should make more than Sneijder." It doesn't make sense to sign someone to huge wages like that unless he truly deserves it. If you sign a guy like Messi and pay him more than anyone, the other players understand. A guy liek Sneijder who his club is trying to give away and hasn't played well in a couple years. That's going to cause problems.

And I know we need a player in that Attacking Midfielder role. There is no debate about that. But we don't need one right now. Signing one now is going to make the difference between 8th and 6th, so who cares? We should wait till the summer when more players are availible and we can find someone who is 5-7 years younger than Sneijder and his wages are much less.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:26:37
First time poster.

I'm all for hoping we can sign the likes of snieder and resign that blonde Spanish lad (he's not passed it in my opinion) but fans trying to justify these signings with the likes of shirt sales, freeing up wages by offloading players, image rights etc is foolish and misinformed. The real football world is sadly not the same as football manager which seems to be where a lot of people are acquiring their 'business knowledge' from.

YNWA


If you actually play "Football Manager" you will realise that the business model is extremely detailed.

Obviously it is not exact like for like copy as you cannot factor emotions into games etc. but you will find that the developers actually look at Football Club models when making it and it is a fair representation

Other games not so much...


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:24:20
"At breakfast with the Dutch national team, Wesley Sneijder called out to Piet Velthuizen, goalkeeper of a small Dutch club: "Hey, Piet, how much do you earn?" Velthuizen proudly replied: "€400,000." "Don't you think it's funny, " asked Sneijder, Inter Milan's playmaker, "that I make 20 times as much as you?"

He has missed 45% of Inter's games since 2010 either due to injury or poor form. Yet, he is Italy's highest paid player. Statistically they have played better without him than with him since 2010.

He can only play in a system that revolves entirely around him. At Mourinho's Inter he never tracked back to defend, and his only job was to feed Eto'o & Millito in attack.

To my understanding this is NOT an LFC type of player. I'm not indulging in character assassination here because he is still a truly gifted talented player. He's just not what many on here hope he is if he is bought (i.e., "Cantona"). He plays only for himself. ra1969


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:22:53
As an American sports fan I find the Suarez "diving" stuff interesting. In American sports, no one would care about this kind of stuff. In fact in alot of cases players are expected to try to deceive officials to help the team. The onus is on the officials to make the right call.

The NBA just this year put in rules against "flopping" but no one hates a player for doing it. If they are found guilty of it, they pay their fine and that's it.

I guess part of it is that each goal in football is so important that one dive in the penalty area that causes a PK could determine a game.

I also think that the problem is that in football its hard to dish out the punishment for diving. If you call a foul in the penalty area it probably results in a goal. If you ever gave a player a red for diving you are greatly slanting the game towards the team with the man advantage.

Basically every referees decision is huge and can determine the game based on it. Whereas in American sports you can award 2 free throws to a team where each team will score 100 points, its not abig deal. Of you can put a player in the penalty box for 2 minutes. Or penalize a team 10 yards. One decision early in the game by an official likely isn't going to determine the outcome of a game. WHereas in football, a decision between calling a penalty kick or not in the 1st minute of the game can decide the outcome. The decision between a yellow and a red card can decide the outcome. It's alot on a refs plate.


In hockey you get the rubbish smashed out of you for diving. Diving has little to do with american sport with basketball being an exception.

ri red


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:22:03
A lot of people are talking about sneijder or eriksen no surprise as we are in need of midfield but what about Thiago Alcântara in my opinion he is better then above and very underrated he knows the style in and out, his just 21 after Barca buying Fabregas his down the pecking order we should look at him before other clubs snatches him


He is certainly not under rated mate and we have absolutely no chance whatsoever of signing this lad


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:16:28
poor old luis, he gets battered in the media no matter

no mention of jay rodriguez s swandive at the weekend for southampton then? {Ed002's Note - You have rather missed the point.}


Am amazed by the amount of people having a go at Brendan because he has said it will be dealt with in house..
Apparently he is suposed to ignore the fact Suarez just opened the door for a media tidal wave of further headlines!
Im sorry but if Suarez is dumb enough to say what he said then he has to expect it to be dealt with and if anyone thinks the media would just ignore it then your very naive!... This, like the racism issue last year should have been, needs to be SEEN to be Dealt with by the media and the wider public otherwise it just opens the floodgates for further negative headlines for Suarez and Liverpool FC!
Every week i read on here LFC fans moaning that Fergie has turned a blind eye, Wenger didn't see it and how terrible it is that they don't deal with their players when they are in the wrong..Now they are because out manager is doing so.. IN HOUSE, not in public, behind closed doors like it should be.. but it could not be ignored when the media are sniffing around looking for the next excuse to rip in to Suarez and Liverpool!
ItsNotRocketScience


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:15:34
Did Suarez hear of the Lance Armstrong confession, and decide to 'come clean'!.
What's wrong with some of the modern players, or are they all just really dumb!.

Though, it is one way to 'engineer' a transfer move I suppose... By irritating your employers once again.


And who could blame the lad! he's one of the best footballers in the world right now, does he really want to be part of a mid table team for the next 4 years?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 16:06:11
Eds I know this is another fiancial question but wondering if you think FSG was prepared for the loses and how much it's costing them? The thing is I can't see them making a profit unless we get in champ league and until then they will have to keep spending

London red {Ed002's Note - They were prepared for and planned for losses as the business headed for wellbeing but were miffed at the extent of the on-going costs, particularly of players and add ons, being so high.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:58:51
Hi eds, with Macca saying its becoming hard to find info from the club, do you think its the club doing there busniess behind the doors, or do you think its just because there is just nothing in the pipeline right now?

also with regards to sneijder these rumers are not going away at all everyday the media are running with it, something must be in it, no?

BC {Ed002's Note - It is a question ytou need to ask of Macca as to the difficulties he has, but I suspect after recent well publicised events the club would look to take control of rumours themselves - as a number of other clubs do. Releasing what they wish to be released through specific sources in which trust can be built up. I have provided a quite lengthy explanation of where we are regarding Sneijder - I will do so again to try and quell further questions:

Liverpool has made no offer to Inter. The situation remains (1) The exclusivity agreement expired on Tuesday night and for the first time since the Gala offer was accepted Inter could talk to another club. (2) Neither of the two clubs approached by Sneijder's agent last Thursday are interested at the salary being requested by the player's agent. (3) The agreement for the fee between Inter and Gala is still in place but Inter want everything resolved ASAP so they can bring in his replacement - as time passes there is a possibility they will lose him. (4) Gala has agreed a salary with the player (well publicised in broad net terms) and want the matter resolved so they can make other arrangements if needs be. (5) Sneijder wants matters resolved but wants to see if other offers will be presented, and wants time to consider them. (6) Inter and Sneijder have yet to agree their severence deal completely with a demand for between 1M and 2M euro (I am not sure the exact figure) in dispute. THis would stop any deal being completed - so it is an important factor. (7) On Monday night a rather bizarre situation came about with previous suitor Fenerbahce's Yildirim saying he could not see how Galatasaray could afford the player and the player should move to the Sukru. Aysal responded saying that he would send his plane to fetch Sneijder and he could agree, as he left the plane, to either "create fire with the lions or fight fire with the birds" - something which sort of passes me by but apparently meaningful in the Asian part of Istanbul. Expectation is that matters will be resolved by Sunday - but I am not sure Sneijder is in agreement with that. (8) Sniejder has an agent and representatives who will still be seeing if they can attract interest in the player and will no doubt have been chasing several clubs in England. I have found out two have been approached and have made it clear they have no interest - and I would think others including Liverpool will also have been approached directly now.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:50:07
Hats off to the guy who posted the Guardiola to Bayern Munich rumour a few days ago. I read it and scoffed at it as rubbish, but then what do i know? Looked in search for the rumour but can't find it anymore.

What is intriguing is the reasons behind the hiring. Aside from the obvious things (mentioned here already) is it Guadiola who wants to try his hand with a more direct physical type of football, or is it Bayern that wants to try the dreaded "tiki taka" (which coincidentally LFC is adopting to a certain degree) ? Worth pondering over...ra1969


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:50:01
I don't think we can afford him, or if we can he's really not worth the wages.
He causes dressing room trouble and we really don't need that.
Someone will have to make way for him, do you see gerrard dropped for him, or shelvey, suso and hendersons development held back?
He is a good player and would improve us but only on a short term basis, liverpool is all about the long term so I don't see the point in bringing sneijder in for a couple of extra points (not enough to get us 4th this year) when the likes of suso will get held back and suso will get us a he'll of a lot more points in the long term than him.
There are a lot more negatives than positives in bringing him in.
The only way I would say it was worthwhile is if we were selling gerrard for some reason and we needed a replacement.
But I would rather we just replaced gerrard with suso, shelvey or Henderson in a few years when he retired, so really no point in bringing sneijder in on any wages, let alone wages we can't afford.

MIKEY


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:37:24
Liverpool FC's £150million redevelopment of Anfield is on track

LIVERPOOL FC'S £150million project to redevelop Anfield remains on track with the club hoping to submit a planning application in the spring.

Back in October, owners Fenway Sports Group announced they had shelved plans to build a new stadium in Stanley Park in favour of refurbishing the club's current home.

It's part of a huge Liverpool City Council led regeneration project for the Anfield area and will involve major extensions to the Main Stand and Anfield Road stand to boost the capacity to around 60,000.

Over the past three months the council have been negotiating the purchase of homes which will be demolished to make room for Anfield's expansion.

"We are very pleased with progress, " said Reds MD Ian Ayre.

"A lot of work has gone on behind the scenes particularly with the acquisition of properties and architectural work to look at designs and plans which would be submitted for planning permission.

"We've got a meeting coming up in the next few weeks with the steering group which is made up of the various parties who were present when the announcement about the regeneration was made.

"Certainly in terms of milestones that we set ourselves, we are on track. We're pleased with the way we're heading and there's no reason to feel anything other than optimistic."

Read more: Liverpool Echo

steve068


Eds I know very little about the subject, but if this is true does this show real intent the owner's are here for the long haul? I know the stadium saga has gone on for a long time now, but unlike some fans I think FSG are moving us in the right direction.

Dan. {Ed002's Note - It looks correct to me.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:33:06
Luis Suarez admits to diving...doesn't get a penalty for the dive he admitted to and is going to get punished. Guess the FA want him gone and I can see the inevitable happening...What about Ashley young's dives to actually get penalties and affect the course of matches, has he been punished yet? What about Carzola, anything yet? No? What about Jay Rodriguez for last week? Nope? Or Bale getting booked 4 or 5 times for diving, is anything going to fine him? Didn't think so, unfortunately Suarez is a target for the media and the FA and he is the only one who will speak out about it...

AsianRed {Ed002's Note - How does this have anything to do with the FA or any other players?}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:31:45
At least Suarez is honest when it comes to diving, none of these "I run so quickly that when another players within a couple of feet it causes me to go down quicker than a girl from Birkenhead" bale type excuses.
I would rather he kept on his feet though, diving is not going to work with a reputation like Suarez and he's a lot better with the ball on his feet than on the floor.

MIKEY

(ps eds I am from Birkenhead so I have social immunity there lol)


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:29:01
Suarez to get a fine for saying he took a tumble vs stoke! He's not going to stay much longer if OUR club turns against him too.


Maybe he should've kept his mouth shut.

davethebutcher


TBF to Rodgers, Suarez has made him look a right nugget for defending him after the Stoke game! I'd say as an outsider that your club have been good to Suarez in light of certain incidents.

Gav


So your happy to let Suarez behave how ever he likes and The CLUB been seen in a negative way.

As long as the Club pander to is every wim just in case they upset him!

Liverpool FC will be around LONG after Suarez or any player is a distant memory

Lyndon


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:28:25
Eds, What's up with suarez making that stupid comment that he dived against Stoke.Does he like all the controvercy he creates and being vilified by everyone other than lfc fans.Does'nt he realise that if the powers that be get involved he could possibly get a few games ban, and that's the last thing we need.It makes you wonder what sort of advisors he has around him. If i was rodgers i would be furious, just wondered what you'r thoughts were on the subject
jaycee {Ed002's Note - See previous answers please.}


Club in the press for the Wrong reasons again. As ed2 said if he pleads stupidity as a defence he'd more than likely get with.

Their will be plenty in the coming few hours defending him for putting the CLUB in the spot light again!

I support Liverpool Football Club

Not Suarez fc

Lyndon


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:21:48
I think the same people that are making posts about not wanting Sneijder to sign or are sure Sneijder won't sign are the ones that are deep down hoping he does join.


Damn those realistic people!

Gav


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:21:01
People need to remember in the 70s and 80s, we didn't pay the highest amount of money. All the money was in Italy at that time. We simply had the best addons in our league. Payment through performance. I'm happy it seems to be heading that way again.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:17:44
Watched the U-21 game v southampton and the nextgen game v inter last week, I can't understand why we want Ince back, Jordan Ibe looks a real player to me If we get Ince back he will only hinder Ibe's progress to me he looks better than both Ince and Sterling, what we need is a creative midfielder similar to sneijder, what is your opinion Ed ? {Ed001's Note - I agree on Ibe v Ince. Ibe is way ahead of Ince at that age, or Sterling for that matter. I see no need for Sneijder, we can drop Suarez into the hole behind Sturridge or put someone like Adorjan in there.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:16:13
I have it on very good authority that Sneijder has indeed agreed to sign for Liverpool.. stipulation is that every person that posted a rumour about Sneijder to Liverpool must quit this site.. permanently. Bargain I say.

LondonRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:09:09
Hey eds how many other club fan pages are obsessed with money compared to liverpool are we a one off some of these comments are just so ... {Ed002's Note - None to anything like this extent. The MU page periodically declines in to financial discussion over debt/bonds etc..}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:06:20
Well done Rodgers. Hanging Suarez out to dry in the press conference. I expect Suarez to be gone in the summer and hope FSG are too. Thin squad, 3 have left, 1 in. Rodgers says no more signings. {Ed002's Note - I rather suspect it was not Rodgers fault and if Suarez had not given the interview Rodgers and the club would not, yet again, being in this position.}


Hey come on if rogers couldn't see suarez diving or falling over then he needs to go to spec savers and then to act shocked on tv and say suarez will be punished in house then he is an person I have supported rogers since he come to the club but if he fines suarez for being honest then he will go down in my estimation every man and his dog has had a go a Louis Suarez so when he tells the truth he is treated like a criminal everyone cheats if any person in the world has not cheated some time in their life then they are liers or saints


He should back his players in public, then rip him a new one behind closed doors. inexperience from mr rodgers. just puts the spotlight back on suarez again.


It is not about Suarez 'diving', it is about him coming out to the press with it. If he had kept quiet about it, the incident would have faded away.

Andy K


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:06:16
Ed's, don't get me wrong here, im an avid fan of Suarez and have backed him, fought his corner for hrs on end down the pub on social media now for months having a more interlectual view on his skill mentality media agenda etc etc. The one thing I will always condone is blatant cheating and anything that pubs my beloved club under scrunity and he's done that a fair few times but not alone over the years! I'm now reading SSPN about Rodgers saying Suarez comments about diving against Stoke are unacceptable and I cringed when I saw his interview in Argentina a few days ago, I think Rodgers has had to do this because it would only whip up another storm had he defended it!
My question is, obviously Suarez isnt a person and will know this will cause a stir so why say it.. he's not bothered about what people think of him but surely it occurred to him that the club will be spoke of badly again so do you this is underhand tactics of starting the ball rolling for a reason to leave? maybe he's been tapped up? I certainly think the owners sponsors and board have halled Brendan in here and discussed the money factor, if so I hope they can flog him for 45/50million to PSG or City so we can go out and buy 2 quality replacements and a defensive mid or number 10.
Cheers
Neil {Ed002's Note - The same happened over the summer with his statement that "the FA would never treat him fairly in England". It is dumb stuff to do and I don't think the fans would take well to him if these are going to be cited later as reasons he was hounded out of the club. The fans aren't that dumb. The saving grace position would be to claim stupidity - and I reckon he could get away with it.}


"The saving grace position would be to claim stupidity - and I reckon he could get away with it"

But surely he has already used up this excuse in a previous case? Could it be a matter of the boy who cried wolf....

Gav


What Suarez said was stupid. Brendon has said his peice for the club. I am sure they will deal with it. The press will do and are doing their usual bit. Lets move on and not add to the drama.

Andy K


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:04:50
This season fourth place has gone we would have to win every game and that is not going to happen. We should be looking at targets for the summer, and trying to get get them on pre contracts ifpossible.
For the record I don't see an issue with sneijders age, his game is not all about pace, he's a lot younger than stevie and has a few years in him yet, but his wages are bloody stupid!! If he really wants to come he would take what we offer him.
Anyone else wondering what tom ince will bring??
I'd rather we looked at merterns and Honda and a genuine holding midfielder.
And let's get some more of our kids a run out like adorjan?
Rnred


If we drew 5 more games and won the rest we'd have the same points as 3rd place last year. If we won all our remaining games we'd have the same points as 2nd last year. And the positions below 2nd are on less points and closer together this year than last.

We don't need to win all our remaining games and 4th is still a very attainable target.

SpudRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 15:02:57
Brendan was angry for the Suarez comments.
"This will be dealt internally".
Further he faces charging from the FA.
It nearly looks like he want's out of BPL...

Stoffe


I wouldn't say that he wants out because of these comments mate. As he as always done things to cause controversy.

These comments are not just a one off.

Mighty reds


 

 

17 Jan 2013 14:58:55
Christ Louis luv you to pieces but please think about what you say before opening your gob.

Reusch.


WOW you don't want him to admit to diving but you are in favour of him lying so as not to admit to diving hypercrite


Poster above why not comment? he's brought more ag on club and himself.keep schtum


 

 

17 Jan 2013 14:56:33
Listen as much as I love Suarez to come out halfway through a season and say he dived is silly. Why not keep his mouth shut? If a ban his forthcoming then sorry guys he deserves it.

We have some massive games coming up. We need him for them.

Mighty reds


Diving only warrants a yellow card.
Why would he be banned ?


Where is it said that he will get a ban? He received a yellow in the game and my understanding is that if you get 'punished' in the game then you don't get retrospective punishment.

Andy K


 

 

17 Jan 2013 14:54:46
I know many of youse will disagree but I say good on BR for calling Suarez's admission of diving as unacceptable. I love Luis don't get me wrong, but I think he should have kept his mouth shut and just done his talking on the pitch, BR's comments were spot on I thought, what do you think Ed002?

Alan Partridge {Ed002's Note - It was a matter I am sure everyone will have wished that BR did not wish to face. I wonder if Suarez will (for at least the third time) claim the interview in Spanish meant no one in England would understand it. No doubt the club will deal with it internally.}


AH-HA! I'd say most fans will agree with Rodgers reaction tbh.


It's worth posting on here just to get the alan partridge quotes going! I agree ed002, time for Suarez to button it and just show everyone he's a world class player.

Alan Partridge


I think Rogers must be more investigative in to Sahins revelation about stevie g than suarez diving as this goes on weekin weekout in this league but if steve has pushed a player out of LFC then that could have far reaching problems for LFC when trying to entice top players to the club so rogers get off suarezs back before you push him out the door


Sahin had chance to do it on pitch, Couldn't hack it over here end of


 

 

17 Jan 2013 14:08:34
The figures Gala are quoting seem reasonable enough.

Your thoughts pls. {Ed002's Note - Please no more quoting wages or any more attempts at math.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 14:06:41
Eds, can any of you throw some light on the comments from Ian Ayre about the new type of contracts that the club will offer to new signings? Basically they will offer lower basic pay but higher performance-related bonuses. Surely this is going to make it difficult to build any kind of decent depth in the squad and increases the likelihood that more youngsters will promoted from within. This will have the undoubted effect of reducing the wage bill significantly but is this business model effectively the end of Liverpool attempting to attract big names to challenge for CL qualification from now on. Are FSG simply polishing up the club with a view to selling a profitable business in a few years so they can go back to concentrating on baseball? Surely there is significance in the fact that John Henry hasn't been to Anfield this season. {Ed002's Note - Actually it is a reasonable approach and one used by a number of clubs on the Continent.}


There's more and more reports coming out from across the ocean that FSG is using the same cautious studied approach with the Boston Red Sox in recent times, so it's hardly a case of any step-brotherly treatment. It's quite simply a business model of rewarding performance, and reaching a debt free stable condition. ra1969


17 Jan 2013 16:44:21
I think it sounds great, it means we will sign confident, determined players who will work damn hard for their money! It also means we're only paying out for good performances (if I understand this correctly?). Who wants players who are happy to hit a drop in form and still be content with collecting their fat pay packet every week?


All in favour for this think about it if a player is offered 10 grand a week (example) but if the team wins he gets 25 grand and if he scores he gets an extra 10 grand and if we reach the champions league he gets 30 grand what an incentive is that at present they get masive money do you think some of them care if they win lose or draw they still get their mega bucks


I agree with bonuses for winning title or reaching champs lge.but if given for goals or assist will make players not play in better placed teammates as want the bonus themselves


 

 

17 Jan 2013 14:04:50
we are after wilfred Bony, bobo Balde and sneijder, giving us a backline of bony balde sneijder


 

 

17 Jan 2013 14:04:37
Ed if 2+4=9 then surely we can't afford sneijder, get the calculater out and im sure youll agree (serious face)


17 Jan 2013 14:40:28
Hmm. I got -3 so I don't know where you're getting your figures from.

Jolly Red


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:54:32
Hi Eds and sorry to bang on about Mr Sneijder, but in your opinion do you think he could have the same effect for us as a certain Mr Cantona (apologies for swearing) did for them down road, in pushing them and making them from nearly men to genuine contenders, I think signing him would have a great effect on all aspects of the club ie..
Give the current players a big lift.
Let other big players think LFC might be the place to go.
Get the so called 'owner knockers' of their backs.
And a player of his quality would surely help the younger guys in team and make them better players.

Your thoughts please..

Mark
YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - The comparisons are meaningless to me - sorry.}


Ed002 = muppet. {Ed002's Note - For me, I would be happy as Fozzie Bear. For you, was there a Glifnard Muppet?}


17 Jan 2013 15:56:23
Mark mate Sneijder is not good as people think here in short he has already pass his peak at the sametime hasn't played well for 2 years now same like torres at chelsea. If you think signing Sneijder will solve our problems then I am afraid mate you need to learn more about footy. In short if we sign messi still our problems are not solved we need 3-4 players to solve our problems


Would have loved to have been one of the muppets, I heard it was all sex, drugs and rock and roll off camera. Ed002, you lucky man! Noname, you cretin!

Gav {Ed002's Note - Fozzie got all the action.}


Could have guessed as much Ed002, I heard about his unfortunate 'habit' also.

Gav {Ed002's Note - It would be not unreasonable to say I lost a certain amount of tuftiness back in my Fossie days.}


"The bear's a comedian, the comedian's a bear" Fozzie Bear.

Andy K {Ed002's Note - Did it not mentions donkey's at all.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:44:11
what a beautiful day. Peace and harmony on our website. eloquently put arguements from Ozone and welsh boy Dave, measured and knowledgeable comments from Ed002 and barely a troll in sight.

So why haven't we signed Sneijder yet then?

;)
BigBadBen


Because its never going to happen. No way will FSG sanction the move, we could never afford him despite all the wage slashing.

He does not fit the profile in any way, expensive, overpaid, trouble, and way to good a player.


Perhaps I should have put included a sentence containing the words 'cheek' and 'tongue'....

BigBadBen {Ed002's Note - Do you mena "cheeks"?}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:40:35
I believe our midfield needs to be worked at. Question to the eds or infact anyone reading. Do we have any interest in anyone? And is there anyone availible you believe would benefit us in that area.

Also I really struggle to understand how you guys put up with all the bull that comes out in some of these comments. Personally I would smash what ever device I was using

Great site


Midfield is a problem.Strength and craft ain't there in abundance.Its a mish mash


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:39:23
Can we have 2 new buttons... Agree with Ed/Disagree with Ed...

More times than not its the Eds comment i want to agree or not with rather than the actual post!

ItsNotRocketScience


Yeah I agree, sometimes I wanna show that I agree with Ed and not the original poster.

However, I think we should also have a third new button, one that when you click it, it automatically removes all the posts about Sneijder. Sure a delete all trolls button would come in handy too

Kelly Red {Ed002's Note - They will be stopping soon.}


Wen ed002 bends over you see your toe nails hanging out of his a.. {Ed002's Note - Maybe, but I very much doubt you could afford it.}


How about a BS button?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:39:07
I was just wondering with ian ayre outlining liverpool's contract policy of offering rewards for contributing towards what we achieve and not offering insane basic wages, surely this would rule out the likes of sneijder

But i do agree with the policy surely its better to sign hungry players than people who are just looking for another pay day ?

LFC80


If that's the plan then our bench/squad is going to be very poor. If you don't play then you don't get paid a decent wage. No professional footballer will agree to that


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:28:16
Please please please,,,, STOP LEAVING POSTS ABOUT SNEIJDER. We are not signing him, end of discussion.

Kelly Red


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:26:27
Ed what do you think on this ? Do LFC currently have any players ie Gerrard with a clause in his contract to be top earner. Ie Sneijder comes in on 200k per week increasing Gerrards and maybe also Suarez contract to 200k

BretYNWA {Ed002's Note - I think we should stop all discussion of wages - the page is awash with some of the most truly embassinssing math I have ever seen.}


Not to mention some of the most ''embassinssing'' spelling !! Beardsley's Boot's


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:15:01
a lot of the fans are getting worried because of our transfer policy me included, we see decent players going to clubs that are in the relegation places, and wwe buy 1 player where we all know we need at least 3 quality players, lucas has not been at his best since he has come back ioe allen as gone missing in games and been playing poor, and we want to get rid of a defender in coates who has not been given a chance just get another defender in, now that is strange seeing our defenders have not been at their best, instead if selling coates or lending him out, BR should drop agger or skertal and put coates in . that's what i call competiton for places, but what Br says about it does not sit right with me, he wants to lend coates out to get him some 1st team action, and one of the teams that want him is juve, so he can't be that bad, i think he wants to sell him, because getting rid of a defender to get another one in is ridiculous, or just bad management, to me and maybe many more fans coates is a better player than phil jones of man uts, but man utd has given jones more time on the pitch, we won't know about coates unless he gets a run of games, but i believe he would become a better defender for us than agger or skertal

mickey b


Just cause Juve want him doesn't make him a good player, if that's the case us paying 35m for Carroll makes him one of the best players in the world!
JJ


Phil Jones > Coates, all day long.

Gav


I still say coates is better than agger and skertal,, coates soes not get a chance because BR wanta rid of hil, the samw way he got rid of kennys other buys


 

 

17 Jan 2013 13:08:56
Hi Eds, Not a rumour but if what I'm hearing about Blackpool not answering the phone to us it makes Mr Oyston sound so childish....
Surely that is not the way to conduct any sort of business, and makes me think we should walk away from any negotiations (if he answers the bloody phone) did he not try these tactics with the Adam deal??

I rate Tom Ince just don't wan to see us held over a barrel or waste valuable time when we could be targeting other potential recruitment.....is there any progress out heard of regarding this?

Keep up the good work

CoolhandLFC {Ed002's Note - Actually it is his secretary's fault - it is her job to answer the phone.}


She's on skiing holiday till end of January and the temp replacement has flu..............


Simple really, forget Ince and go onto plan be whatever that is! Not seen him play since he went to Blackpool, but is there not anyone else who could do the job he was being brought into doing, warm the bench I mean?

Keith


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:52:47
hi eds does BR have his own transfer team which he has to go through before liverpool decide to go for a player ?? {Ed002's Note - There will be a process involving the Board to agree any transfer bids.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:52:04
Just wondering did anyone see the Chelsea game last night? It really shows what type of fans Chelsea have. When Lampard was taken off for Torres the fans booed throughout the whole substitution even when torres made his entrance onto the pitch. I thought it was an absolute disgrace and no matter the price tag or form of the player the crowd should get behind them and applaud them on/off the pitch, this would never happen at LFC we always support our players at the matches. Fair enough on the banter pages we have our rant but for the whole crowd to be booing a player, disgraceful.

Congrats to Bayern on the appointment of Pep, he will do well again since he took over a team that is financially healthy and already has a great squad. I would still like to see how he would fare if he were to take over a Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs type of team

Barry B {Ed002's Note - I think you will find they were booing the manager for making the substitution.}


Im pretty sure Lucas got the same abuse from liverpool supporters a few years back!
JJ


Ed002, do you really think none of the vitriol was directed towards Torres? Seems rather suspicious after the booing experienced when he was substituted for Ba the other week. I know it makes no difference, just curious.

JFT 96

JP {Ed002's Note - No, it was toward Benitez as the fans want Lampard to get the additional 8 or 9 goals he needs before he goes.}


I've talked to about 20 chelsea fans since that game and they all said they hate torres and booed him. A couple also said they wish he broke his leg.

BthekingB


Last poster I believe having come across plenty of their'fans'over years.Their a pleasant lot Nottttttt


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:48:28
I'm 22, the only glory days I have seen from my life of supporting Liverpool have been Istanbul, the treble, and a few carling/fa cups!
I'm seriously considering not supporting Liverpool anymore, its a growing trend among young supporters like myself, I hate to say it, but it's true, so slate me all you want!
Liverpool just seems to be a joke at the moment, the 1 thing I hate most in life is liars and empty promises, which is where I think this club is going! It's not fair on the fans to be promised players for the right price, and then not get them!
Downing, bought for 20 million and on around 60,000 a week! He's probably only worth £6 million at a push now, and Liverpool have the cheek to not place a £7 million bid for sneijder! Who cares if he's on around £100,000 a week, for what he's done in his career he deserves it, and Liverpool in our current state don't deserve to pay him any less!
If they can take a gamble on Downing and pay that much, at least return the favour to the fans and take a gamble on wesley, otherwise I'm out, and you can kiss goodbye to the next crop of younger generation fans, because quite frankly getting the mick taken out of you every day at school is not fun, and never has been!
Sorry if this is seen as a negative rant eds because I think you guys do a fantastic job running this site, even with all these ridiculous rumours!
I remember the days when we could be linked with top names and actually believe them, sadly I think those days are now a memory of what was once great!
Signing Sturridge is not a biggest enough demonstration of ambition to me, or Suarez, may God help Liverpool if he leaves in the summer


Is it a teacher training day today if not get back to school turnip.

Reusch.


Bye bye then

You won't be missed

CoolhandLFC


Well go away then, go post on any other site, and be another fair weather supporter, i cannot stand people like you.............andy.


Do one then, the club wasn't want "supporters" like you. I go to every game, week in, week out, and will support my club no matter what the circumstances.


17 Jan 2013 13:39:39
Surely you are a kind Of liar yourself if your stating your a liverpool fan then state that your considering not supporting them anymore then maybe your lying about being a fan altogether! It is not a geeing trend for people of our age to change clubs at all, I'm only 24 and have always been loyal to liverpool, all my mates are loyal to there clubs too be it Newcastle, Man U, arsenal who ever! You've simply slated the club and tried to justify it by stating that its the norm for people your age. I don't buy that for a second, loyalty doesn't come with age it comes with the passion and th love you have for something! If that isn't something that you can commit to then there are plenty of other clubs that have fans just like you and would welcome you with open arms however, make your choice wisely because once you go it will be very difficult to be welcomed back.

Ashy


17 Jan 2013 13:40:30
I can't actually believe I've just read this! You don't pick your club, your club picks you, and any real football supporter loves their team through thick and thin regardless of whether they win lose or draw. That is meant to be the difference between LFC and supporters of the other top teams like united city and Chelsea! Supporting a team is about more than winning, it's about being a part of something much bigger. Quite frankly, our beloved clubs deserves much better fans than you. We may not be where we want to be, but we are all in this together. If you want to go, i for one am more than happy with this


This is so sad it's hilarious!

Whether you think it's sad or not, us Liverpool fans love the club almost as much as our families. Just like all aspects of life, there are times of glory and happiness, and times of despair and unhappiness, but if we give up when the going gets tough then we can't expect to reap any rewards or enjoy the possibility of success if we have not appreciated how horrible losing (something/someone/some game) is.

Wouldn't like to comment on how you have lived your 22 years, but Liverpool Football Club deserves better than you.

Jos


Wow thank god football fans like you are scarce. I think you should go to a few sunday league games and see what real support for the football team you love is all about. I'm sure it would be an eye opener for you. If you were so bothered about what your mates said to you why watch football at all, or is it just a need to fit in with whatever crowd is popular. Support is given win, lose or draw. That childlike excitement you get when you approach the gate before a match, the ecstasy when a ball hits the back of the net, the morbid sense of doom when the opp score. It's not just something you switch on and off. No matter the team you support the feelings the same. You are obviously not a football fan, never mind a Liverpool one, YNWA Simonpw


Manchester City seems like the perfect club for you


This is the funniest post ever made me roll around laughing best part was I get the micky taking out of me in school.watched the glory days istanbul the treble well my son you are what we call a glory hunter.Don't support us through the good times then jump ship through the bad its a joke run along to man you or city lad

DJANGO


I will never, ever, ever understand how a person can turn around and say 'I might not support my team anymore' - To me, that's like saying you're abandoning a friend when they need your help. It's just absurd.

I'm 24, and I would say it isn't a 'growing trend' in particular, more a fact young people have no desire to stick by something if it isn't going 100% right. Laziness and glory hunting would be my guess. Liverpool has always had an amazing set of fans, and fingers crossed the plastic fans will filter out and leave just those who love the club.

People argue on here all the time - but they have one thing in common, they all love the club, regardless of their outlook. Maybe you would be better off supporting another team. I hear Chelsea are always on the lookout, and you get a free flag. Hurrah.

JFT 96

JP


17 jan 2013 14:14:02
to the so called lfc fan we are the best club in the world right i agree going thru a bad spell so if you feel you no longer want to support the best club ever when things get tough don't let the door hit you on the way out you will walk alone you tool jon96 real fans ynwa


Not to be too abusive but you're the exact kind of supporter I'll enjoy not being stuck next to at the next home game. Good riddance.

Like the great man once said: "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win".

I'd turf this kind of supporter out along with those who get off early "to avoid the traffic"/buy a pie at halftime.

sorry, touchy subject :)
misterdrumz


17 Jan 2013 14:30:11
Oh no, please don't stop supporting Liverpool, we really, really need your fickle support!


My Dad was from Liverpool, he supported Liverpool as did his father. I never imagined I could go and support anyone else. Both my sons, 17 & 13 support LFC and my wife who didn't follow football is now a supporter. We all go to games together. I've seen the best of times, the worst of times - and I will support them until my last breath. Frankly, if you can go and 'support' another team so easily then do so and stop filling up this site with your garbage. Enjoy your new mates!
MartinR


The only glory lol... that's more than most clubs anyway you mug and its not a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the trophy room... you mantra must be 'what have you done for me lately'... do one!


All i read was wah wah wah i m because a united fan because we re rubbish


Support another club then buddy as I couldn't stop supporting liverpool even if I tried too, as the club is in my blood I was brought up supporting Liverpool and I will support them through thick and thin. I would support them if they were in League 2, its about having passion which the orginal poster clearly doesn't have so why did you bother supporting Liverpool in the first place. And I have no idea where you get the idea that young fans will not support us, you should have said glory hunting young fans won't support us.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:45:11
Suarez OUT... NOW! He is ruining our great club.

£40m and good riddance.

Happy to take the abuse.


Happy to get abuse ? why not post your name then keyboard warrior ? and if suarez is ruining our club then we don't need his goals then ? people like you are so thick its unreal .............andy.


17 Jan 2013 13:42:07
Get a grip lad

Ashy


Why do you want him out now?


What the hell has he done now? something I've missed?


He's the only reason were not in a relegation scrap. Love to see what you'd be saying then.


Are you happy to take the abuse because you're a WUM that supports another team and you are only on here to get a reaction from LFC fans?!

Do one you sad person!


17 Jan 2013 15:11:10
ridiculous...great club..patriotism?
we are sitting at 8th...suarez out..and we will sit 18th...
nonsense...how many players have actually come to accpet that they dived...
if so, what you call gareth bale?
was this worse than Sir Alex calling New castle a wee club?


Anyone asking what he has done now.. He admitted diving in the stoke game(Rodgers not best pleased), and was saying that united have the media power in england (FA not best pleased)
And saying that if he was called a south american, he wudnt cry, it happens(Evra not best pleased)

Hope that helps haha


Blatently not a Liverpool fan I can't think why the hell a Liverpool fan would not love the guy. Unless you believe the media in that case your stupid.


He shouldn't have said what he said about diving, on the same token, it doesn't appear to have made big news here so maybe BR should have kept quiet also (1st I'd heard of it). in Suarez' defence, after being blatantly stamped on and then pushed and pulled all over all game, I think many players would have taken a dive in that Stoke Game, thinking maybe a decision might finally go for him.

El Diablo!


Is that you Pacman? Been sent home from school because of the snow?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:40:31
Hi ED002

Can you answer a quick question - you mention that we were losing approx £1m per week on a few occasions now - i can't say i've ever seen our balance sheet to know this but certainly we have posted some losses...i thought that these were mainly due to transfer outgoings on the fees.

However, when FSG took us over Martin Broughton advised that if we cleared the millstone of debt repayment(which i thought FSG mainly did) we would have around £40m operating profit. SInce this tie we have also increased both our sponsorship and kit deals dramatically....how can we be in the situation of losing that much money?

Great job and great site BTW

Cheers

Tricky Red {Ed002's Note - The reason for the losses is irrelevant and will not be cleared up by looking at the balance sheet. If you want something to check you can look at the accounts for 2010-11 (the most recent available) which shows losses for the year of £50M. That equates to £1M a week.}


It equates to Carroll and Downing if put another way.


Ed will the financials for 2011-2012 look substantially better than the previous year? I am not really bothered about "money for signings" just more of a general interest. Are we a good distance away from making money?

Dan. {Ed002's Note - I doubt 11-12 will look much better but there might be an improvement. I think 12-13 will be much healthier and heading in the right direction.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:38:35
As there's so many Stats readily available.Be interesting to know if there's a site keeping a record of which club gets the Most contentious decisions Each Season over All Competitions.And when we have discussions/rows with others.Assumptions of refs being intimidated/Bias/whatever, could be backed with facts .Ie.(not surprisingly IMO, last TWO United games would be under scrutiny) Also if proven (what a lot've us alledge/suspect re.certain Teams/Managers) Facts presented to F.A/media would stop any Club/Individual wielding too much power/Fear over officials/Media into decisions positive for their own interests.No matter who they were! just a bit of fun/debate idea to get alternative debate to Sneijder going


Get it started mate?

x


Somebody does it, but how official it is, I don't know, as Suarez has had more dubious decisions than any other prem player. It was some Sky pundit saying it, so how accurate, I don't know, but he said Suarez had had more fouls against him that weren't given by the ref than any other player in the Prem.

Nick


It also said that Liverpool were at the wrong end of the most dubious decisons. I don't know the source to be honest, only that it was quoted on Fox (Sky) by a commentator a few weeks ago.

Andy K


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:30:39
Hi ed, could you just clear the Sneijder situation up because there is so much fizzing round. Would like to see him if i'm honest but can't see it happening. {Ed002's Note - I am not sure what you want cleared up right now. It is certainly not worth the effort explaining the financial aspects because it is very clear folks don't understand.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:21:28
Dammit people, stop estimating amounts based on what the media reports. Signing players arent what you 'experts' out there know from your silly 'real life simulation' games such as fm. in fact, im pretty sure thise who are upset got all of their figures and estimation from there. Its just not as simple as it seems. Even fm can't be as realistic as real life would be. You have to consider many factors such as 1. is the transfer realistic 2. would the player be unwelcomed 3. would the player be a problem for lfc 4. how much will we be paying in overall for the player etc. there are many more factors in signing a player, even in those games, Balotelli is a well behaved player.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:14:11
Luis Suarez is as human being as our self. But one thing i could tell you is it takes a mans pride to come out and say he did dived at the Stoke game. After all he is a Liverpool player, but after this comment i got so much respect for him. you never see ashley young, bale, phil neville, nani, adebayor, Seb Larsson, Andy johnson, Morten gamst, Drogba. Come out and say they did dive. Got damnit i don't know what to write, other than we must support our Golden boy. It is easy to have a go at him, because he is a liverpool player, and the best player by miles in the english premier league. I don't care what people say, they could mention van persie, but he aren't in the same league as our uruguayan.


what a man he is, having a go at man united, and the english media. One thing i noticed is the headlines the english media are currently running. Only Liverpool Echo has this headline : Luis Suarez: Manchester United control English media.

And slysport is : i dived at stoke


You have respect for him Diving Then!

The Blokes a hero and a great player but come on take the blinkers off once for a while!!


Does it Help The CLUB winding up the media
When they Sadly have the power to give you bad publicity not sure it is.

Lyndon


Phil Neville appologised on live tv and was fined a weeks wages.thats a honest pro and a proper club


Drogba albeit briefly admitted diving once live on tv but retracted later on!

Tbh, I don't think he should have said anything, as like his 'handball' I knew it would just drive the press even more to have a go at us! Saying that, it's nice to see some honesty from a football player for once!

Keith


Mr original poster who obviously wants to remain anonymous, that is right Man Utd control everything and most of your players cannot even control the ball!

Everything is always someones elses fault and its all a conspiracy and for the last twenty years Liverpool have been disadvantged by everyone else.

One thing Liverpool do not lack are quality supporters like yourself!!!

YTW offside


Phil Neville honest pro at a proper club????????


Totally. Biased. Point. Of. View.

Well done!

Gav


 

 

17 Jan 2013 12:14:07
Why oh why, does Ayre feel the need to defend Henry's absence from LFC games this season.
What managing director feels the need to do so.


Because he's a yes man.If your ever looking for him, you'll find him up Henry's or Werners arse.Apparently he ain't fussy


 

 

17 Jan 2013 11:55:20
i can't believe any liverpool fan will want to get rid of suarez, he not only scores goals but he creates goals, he is at the top of the stats for creating goals aswell .plus he is world class player

someone called redleigh further down said get torres in on loan and sell suarez for 30 - 40 mill . now im no expert but i also don't live in cuckoo land, suarez for that price he is having a laugh double them price at least .

all i want to know from all you fans who want to sell suarez is why ?? without his goals this season we would be in the bottom 3, he is up there in the goals scoring charts without many assists from his team mates, as he has had to make most of his own goals and now we have bought 1 player he will get the golden boot, but as some fans say they would rather havee money to spend, why not get rid of downing how many games as he won for us on his own, or agger or skertal or reina, because we have been letting goals in so some thing is wrong there at least suarez is doing a great job on his own by scoring, come on redleigh your seem to be a football master mind, what did you put gerrard=torres and daglish=rush that's history, that's in the past live in the future and get behind our world class player, gerrard is not the player he was when torres was here anyway and can play with anyone not just torres, if suarez goes we will get relegated and that's my opinion, redleigh seeing you know a bit off history let me ask you this about this season, how many games has suarez won us, take them away and where will we be, that's your home work


I never said i WANTED lfc to sell suarez. i just believe he will want to move on sooner rather than later. in a perfect world torres would never have left and suarez and torres would have played together. my point was if we could get torres on loan and he found his form again we would have a ready made replacement for luis. i would say suarez is priceless but realistically 30-40 million would be enough for john henry to sell. im afraid ideas of near world record fees are pie in the sky and i'd rather have torres than 2 20million pound flops redleighlfc


Yell me redleighlfc who has scored most goals thisseason and last season, get over the lady boy he is finished, even if he came back he still would not score that many goals because of his injuries, when the last time he sprinted full out for a ball or the last time he tussled with a defender and won the ball, remember he destroyed vidic in one game and ferdinand in another game for us, he has not done anything like that at chelski


 

 

17 Jan 2013 11:44:37
So much talk about why we should sign Sneijder. What makes anyone think he'd go to Liverpool? Even if Galatsarray is his only other option, I can still see it happening. I recall not too long ago Eto, Hulk and others moved to Russian league. Surely money does talk to some players, and from what I've seen, Sneijder likes his money.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 11:24:45
Hi ed's great site, is there any truth in the rumour tesco's are looking at Andy Carroll


That would be a slightly different issue, he's a Donkey


They only sell horse meat not donkey meat!
JJ


They can put him into a burger and call it the donkey burger


He deserves a chance not ridicule.
KernowRed


 

 

17 Jan 2013 11:01:21
Sorry to copy and paste

Ian Ayre

"Speaking to people around the city, they are pleased with the football and like what they're seeing.

Have you been talking to your reflection again Ian?

Thatracoonstolemybacon


Must have been Everton fans he was talking to


 

 

17 Jan 2013 09:30:50
16 Jan 2013 23:51:48
Mum, Mum, Mum, the other kids made fun of me, they..they hurt my feelings.

The amount of times you've been put in your place and refused to answer posts is ridiculous.

Much like my piles, you simply refuse to go quietly.

It was a joke and was treated as such, if you don't wish to see banter, i suggest you look elsewhere, because this is the banter page.

I asked you to in a civilised manner explain to us mere mortals what exactly FSG have done wrong, and what you would do differently further down the banter page, you appear not to have answered me?

Maybe it's convinience, maybe you didn't see it, so i'll ask you again.

What do you anticipate FSG doing that will be so detrimental to the club? Or what have they done that has you so aggreived?

I'd like to point out that if FSG were to sell, i wouldn't blame them. The death threats for not signing Dempsy were bang out of order, and the 'support' they have recieved is atrocious.

Believe it or not, you will have contributed to FSGs decision to sell, if that's what they choose to do, with the constant abuse it's no wonder they havn't attended recently.

I don't descriminate because you hate, believe it or not. If you were pissed at Kenny and Commolli for wasting money i'd understand, if you were pissed at H#G for crippling the club, it would be fair enough.

So i'd like you not to respond to this post directly, but with a new thread, not solely for my benefit, but for everybody to see exactly what it is that is so harmful to the club.

What made you so cynical? What are you seeing that the rest of us fail to see?

Please open our eyes, we beg you.

And try not to post unfounded accusations of crime because your friend Waro got his posts cut for that.

So lets stick to the facts eh?

Thanks.

WelshBoyDave

---------------------------------------------------------------

WelshBoyDave, I've provided the reasons as to why I'm not impressed with FSG in a bit more detail in previous posts. Salient points as follows:-

1. I was annoyed with Kenny's sacking. I wanted him, Steve Clarke and Co to be given at least another year. We played some breathtaking football in the first half of last season, the Suarez debacle undermined our season. A bit of tweaking the team and in my opinion we'd be challenging this season for top 4. {Ed002's Note - Nobody can take away what Dalglish has done for the club and the larger Liverpool "family" and I am certain he was the right person to "steady the ship" after Roy Hodgson left. However, the appointment, driven very much by the desires of the fans, on a full-time basis was a significant mistake. The spending to achieve the clear target of CL football, the events of December 21 and league performance was collectively unacceptable and, whilst you might be annoyed, the reason Dalglish lost his job. In my mind the right decision. It is certainly the case that if it were not for Suarez things could well have been very different and he should shoulder a considerable amount of the blame - like it or not.}

2. The jury's out on Rodgers. Granted he's not phased at making changes during a game and some have been a good call. Nonetheless, the spin doctoring 's aggravating and in my opinion there's some fundamental flaws in his favoured brand of tikki takka. I think it's idealist and with the resources we have there's an expectation for champagne football with lemonade players. He's trying to re-invent he game with his dossier with high lines, pressing etc., etc., . In my opinion a team is set out to suit and good players find each other during the game through the rhythmn and pattern in which the game emerges (the Liverpool way, 5 aside training, brief team talk, go and let the football do the talking lads). {Ed002's Note - I think a fair comment and perhaps one that would have been made regardless of manager. As I have said before, I thought Liverpool was a year or a job too early for Rodgers. But for now he needs your support.}

3. Over to FSG. Again, more spin doctoring, predominantly from Werner with his boastful claims as to how we can compete with the best in terms of resources. Why would he want to say that bearing in mind their desire to lower the wage bill and bring in players on lower wages. Im all for the club washing its own face financially but in my opinion there is no suggestion from FSG that they're here for the long term. All their actions sit snugly with FFP, which is providing a smoke screen for their ultimate intention of bolstering the accounts in order to enhance the clubs value and sell at a profit. Although the club may not demonstrate a profit at this time due to past extraordinary costs, the owners will not be losing out. {Ed002's Note -There is no doubt that the owners have invested in FSG as a business. I would question the thought that many have that FSG don't care about the club because I am sure that they do. I have advised before against hanging off every word in an interview and trying to find hidden messages and meaning by reading between the lines - it won't be there. What Liverpool is not is a cash-cow for them and accusations others have made regarding asset-stripping and fraudulent accounting are far from the truth. Liverpool could have way worse owners than FSG, and whilst a percentage of so called fans have driven them from attending games, forcing their hand and the easy-out of a floatation will have potentially disastrous consequences for the club and for the supporters.}

4. The transfer policy is nothing more than a joke and again doesn't suggest any long term commitment from FSG who clearly favour the transfer amortisation concept of young players because it suits the balance sheet in terms of resale when valued as an asset, which again will ultimately assist in raising the clubs capital value for resale. Ian Ayres recent statement as to how he's pleased with how we did business in the last transfer window only goes to serve how the club is obsessed with profitability as opposed to what we actually need on the pitch. Alarm bells should be ringing. Moreover, there is a contradiction in the policy as whilst best endeavours are being done to bring in young talent, it would appear to be second tier quality in the hope that we can improve the player to enhance his asset value. If it is the best young talent we're after why isn't Ayre breaking a sweat to bring in the likes of Munian, Erickson and Co? {Ed002's Note - I see this concept of "transfer policy" being overplayed. There has been very significant investment in the time they have been at the club - but again you are hanging off and interpreting the statement of Ayre etc.. The players being looked at are those which Rodgers sees as fitting with the system given certain constraints he operates under. Craving the players such as Eriksen who no doubt do well on the fantasy games leads to discontent when they don't arrive. Eriksen has a clear and well documented view of his future. Liverpool cannot simply speak with the player to try and change that.}

5. With the above in mind, Werners and Henry's track records in sports franchise ownership don't stimulate warm hearted feelings (San Diego Pardas and the cost cutting before the sale in 1993. The Red Sox former managers recent outburst and overview of the owners). {Ed002's Note - It is fair comment to say that Werner screwed up in San Diego 20 years ago. Relying on a recent rant by an disgruntled ex-Red Sox manager implies you are simply looking for reasons to try and discredit FSG.}

6. The stadium issue? What's going on? The last we heard from Henry was that he'd found a fence to sit on but dressed it up as a financial feasibility issue. In my opinion this could be a delaying tactic as their concern is getting the stadium capacity right but with that in mind, what proportion of the fair weathered brigade will fall by the wayside with us falling into mid table mediocracy (which is inevitable during the short term). The realisation of the costs involved in getting the right quality on the pitch to compete in Europe and domestically in order to sustain gates has unnerved FSG and their running scared. {Ed002's Note - There was a statement about the stadium - as was always my view they are going down the sensible route - but planning and approval take time. No doubt if they decided to build a new stadium there would be those bleating about the owners taking the club away from Anfield. A classic no-win situation.}

WelshBoyDave. You, BigBadBen, Lyndon and Co., see it differently and to be honest I hope your right. Our speculation on how the future will map out is merely conjecture, maybe wishful thinking from you boys and pessimism from me and Waro. Who knows, only time will tell.

In terms of Rodgers, I'll reserve judgement as I appreciate the difficulty he has in implementing what he's out to do. However, I'm not too impressed with what I've seen to date but will support him.

Ozone


I share the same concerns as you Ozone, but the only thing I disagree with is about them spending money; Yes they have significantly reduced the wage bill to free up more money annually and seem to have adopted a player in/out policy, but they have splashed out alot on the IN transfers, which our 3 managers under their regime foolishly wasted (Bar Suarez, Sturridge and maybe 1 or 2 more), So you have to understand them being more pragmatic about making such funds available until players bought by Rodgers prove Rodgers to be more astute than his predecessors.

With that said, I don't like their overall transfer policy, and I would like the more positive posters to be right about the owners...but to try and argue your opinion, which alot of others have concern about too, is ridiculous!

But hopefully our concerns are for nothing and FSG prove us wrong.

SR


Just to add.

What doesn't help FSGs transfer policy, is managers wasting the money on below average players at sky high prices, when their is more talent available at the right prices.

Maybe that's been down to the managers, the scouts our club advisors, but when things for sure, it need to be reformed/rectified!

SR


Ozone your right fella but Welshboy talks tosh


17 Jan 2013 12:14:20
Dude, you have some valid points.

I wanted Kenny to stay too, but what do you do?
The reasons he left are well documented, and with the money he spent, we should have had better results.
But whatever, you see that as poor ownership and maybe you have a point, but we still have to move on from it.

I really think your reading too much into Werners comment, and it's something i imagine he highly regrets saying now. Yeah Ozone, you are correct when you say that it's nice for the balance sheets to buy the young players with sell on values.

But, we paid 16 million for young Hendo, he'll have a sell on but will it be a profit? Unlikely.
Same with Allen, how long will it reasonably be before we could look at making a profit in him?
A while, i'd wager.

Maybe we simply can't afford to outbid the top clubs for the likes of Munain or Erikson? Maybe they just don't want to play for Liverpool, to be fair, they could quite easily play for any of the top ten sides in the world(which we are currently not).

If FSG are going to sell at some point, isn't that their right? The problem i would have is FSG selling us to some far easten binbag company or some Indian chicken farmers, that being something that could potentially harm the club.

But we cannot just assume that's what they are going to do and hate them for it. By that logic you might come to my house and set in on fire, so i'l persecuate you now.


San Diego 1993 was 20 years ago, are you really holding that against them? Really?


The stadium issue i agree, something needs to happen, we have had all the promises before and we need action not talk.

Overall, they have backed us financially and listened to us when we wanted Kenny back. Yes they have made mistakes but so has Abromovich and the Shieks.

I don't argue purely because you hate, but the problems you have seem to be 'What ifs' for the most part.

I just look back to the Hicks and Gillette saga and shudder, regardless of the problems of the current regime we are 1000 times better of with FSG.

You have some valid concerns and some hypothetical ones, like you say maybe you are Waro are correct and maybe its us wellwishers, time will tell.

WelshBoyDave


Ozone i think your points are very valid, and afree with you, i live by the ground and we have had letters upon letters saying the planning permission is there, the councilor joe anderthon or anderson has said the planning permission will go through as soon as plans are drawn up, because it would dive the area around anfield a lift, so the only reason i can think of is that the owners only want to invest in the ground instead of the area aswell, that's the conditions of the council about any ground redevelopment, and to me i agree yom werner since taking over the clun as come out and said we have the money to challenge for any top player against any other team, but wjat gets me ed002 is if your so for FSG and BR then what did you think of our summer dealings when we were left without a striker after carrol went to west ham, surely that is bad buisness and seeing these are buisness men who are supposed to be looking out for this club and running it right, then how can you call it right when they leave their, manager in the lurch without getting anyone in, to me if FSG were looking after our clubs interest then surely we would be going for better quality players, but one thing as stuck in my head when they bought the club for a very cheap price and that was they plan to get young exciting players make them better and sell them for a profit to put back into the club, or in their pockets more likely as they don't run our club for nothing,

mickey b {Ed002's Note - I have been protective of the owners because they are responsible and trying to do the best for everyone. I need also protect them from the ignorance of many of the posters as is evident. Things could be much, much worse. As for Rodgers I made it clear that it was in my view too early for him, but as he is manager he needs to support of the fans. The club expected to sign Dempsey - it didn't happen, suck it up.

And for information, FSG do not pick the transfer targets.}


Hi ozone, from reading your above post a lot of it seems to me to be pure conjecture. You seem to take every word as stated by anyone concerned with LFC and look for conspiracy and deceit. You take each statement to the complete extreme. FSG and IA have said there is money available for the right players who are identified by BR. Getting those said players is not just black and white. 1 they have to be available, 2 they have to want to move to us and 3 they have to be prepared to put LFC before bank balance. they have stated they will be well rewarded for being successful and perform. If the player ticks all the boxes then a deal can be worked out. They also state that although they would prefer to sign a younger player with the same qualities because he can give more years service to the club than an older guy. They have not stated that the right player although older will not be considered. Regards to the stadium. They have looked at pro and cons of new build v redevelopment and decided to stay at Anfield. This is what most fans want and that is a big factor. Development takes time, plans, permission etc. It's moving forward and once everything is finalised will be completed quite quickly. As for KD Im his biggest fan but the 2nd half of last season was a disaster for whatever reason. A lot of money made available for players regardless of how much was brought in through sales. If they wanted to cream off the top they could just have easily sold and not bought anyone at all. that's 100m+ they would be better off straight away. Kenny was brought in to steady a sinking ship and galvanise the club. In that side of things a success. On the pitch he wasn't. We scraped to a LC success and he was crucified on here and everywhere for his handling of AC in FA cup final. League form was relegation form by may. As to BR now he gets crucified for AC, yet everyone could see he was a bad signing. He decides to play a certain style of football and stick with it. From watching our underage teams all the way through to 1st team I see consistency in the style of play. U21's acheiving quicker what were aiming for which is consistent results but still playing the same style. Transition to 1st team made easier when called upon. Integration of youth has already started this season. Players already identified as surplus to our needs for various reasons and despatched. From what I see noone from BR up has done anything other than what they have said they would do since they came in. Ok we didn't get x player or why player in summer but that happens every window. It's not like we didn't buy any player any window since they came in. The club is in a fantastic position financially which is all down to the owners and the future looks very bright indeed on all levels through the club. The window to my mind hasn't closed yet either and as far as I'm aware we are the largest spenders so far. Although unhappy with present league position it's not may either and we are still in 2 other cups. All in all we are still in the mix and that's positive. YNWA Simonpw


Ozone get a grip lad, the stadium extension at Anfield will soon be done, along with the team getting better and LFC in better financial terms. so stop your bleating you silly little boy and if you don't like it then you, Waro and the rest of the persons sod off and support an other team
LEP1972


Give it a rest ozone, same goes for waro, lyndon, bigbadben and your ilk.

Just sick of your can never be wrong arrogant ego's forever preaching damnation to any unbelievers from your self appointed pulpit.

The rest of us just want to be fans of Liverpool Football Club without been bored to death by control freaks.

Carl


It is the classic devil and angel on each shoulder. To be honest, I prefer to be optimistic and support the owners as a default setting. However, after getting burned by H & G, myself and most other fans are simply more suspicious and cautious than we otherwise would be. It is in a way unfortunate for FSG that they have followed the disastrous H & G, and unfortunately also because they happen to be Americans, which will unfairly raise suspicions further by some fans.

For me personally, FSG have earned my cautious support. But, for now at least, that little devil is still sat on my shoulder asking the same questions that Ozone/Waro et al are asking. It is obvious that both of them love the club, and TBH I have no problem at all reading their posts on the matter. Both of them make coherent arguments and provide food for thought. Although I don't agree with a lot of their views, I understand their concerns. I think most intelligent fans will do the same.

Nick


I think the simple problem is that the experience of H&G has, for many, poisoned the relationship between the owners of the club (*whoever they may be*) and the fans. The financial damage was severe but can be made right by someone opening their wallet. The bitterness and suspicion that they left of rapacious owners out for a quick buck will take years to calm down.
For myself, I don't see that FSG have evil intentions - even if their motivation was to sell at a profit (and I don't think it is or was, tho they may be driven to it by a stupid minority), the thing that made it possible would be a successful and well run club. Any sale of the club in a unsettled or unstable position would wipe a lot off the value. I'm not saying they haven't made mistakes, as I pretty much agree with all of Ed002s views on the matter, but I think they mean well and take a lot of unjustified crap.
As for Ian Ayre or Tom Werner etc speaking in interviews - I don't take a lot of notice of that - it's just PR. If they say there's no money, the fans go mental with their 'sell to someone who has the cash to run a club like this' (like there's a queue of financially incontinent billionaires just waiting for a call); if they say there's plenty of money for the right players they get crazy expectations 'you said we had plenty of money, why aren't we showing ambition by putting in a £50M bid for (insert name of flashy foreign player who scored at the weekend)'.
I've always felt that LFC fans, a community of which I'm proud to be a member, are some of the best people I've ever met, and going to Anfield (even tho I live out of town) has always felt like coming home. What I find difficult nowadays is the constant anger within that community, to the extent that hating FSG has seemingly overtaken all rational debate about the club or the team. After H&G, I think any owners would be met with suspicion. I don't agree with Ozone, Waro and the like, but I respect their concerns, which are, after all, prompted by their love for the club.
However, some people go further than the debate which usually (!) prevails on here. When those people threaten the owners with violence, abuse our own players (however good or bad they may be), and decline to wholeheartenedly support the team in favour of a stupid, violent and financially illiterate agenda, then they are people I no longer want in my second family. I feel nothing but pity, shame and contempt for them.
Our first principle in all of this must be support for the club and the team. By all means have concerns and reservations, but don't let that detract from the simple joy and pride (and frustration) of being an LFC fan, and from the expression of that pride and joy in all you say and do.
Aardvark YNWA JFT96


Oh My God!!

I think I've just logged on to paranoidfans.com I don't know about driving FSG away, if all this talk on here about how crap our club is run, how bad our transfer policy is, how FSG are stopping the assets of our club, how rubbish our new manager is (only had half a season) I think you're going to drive all the fans off this site!

I used to frantically log on to get snippets of info most days but seriously considering to not bother Its getting depressing reading the dross on this site recently.....what happened to the RUMOURS!!

Waro & Ozone seriously need to take some Prozac before logging on here!

At my wits end

CoolhandLFC


Welsh boy dave wat you have to understand kenny gave comoli targets it usualy is plan a and be he did not do the deals him self comoli did and who brought him in fsg so the buck stops with them they hired him he should of said no to dear for that player then move on to plan be so the only reason money was wasted was due to fsg them selves.
ozone i agree with most if not everything you say and when ayre and the owners say stupid things fans will take them how they said it its not reading betwwen the lines its taking wat they said so its there own fault for saying stupid stuff and getting fans hopes up. fsg worry me alot!

mike


Ed002, I agree FSG don't pick the targets but they say yes or no and pay the fee or not pay, plus on dempsey I thought he had 1 good season and did not want him at our club, if FSG were looking out for the club they would not have left us without cover for carrol, I just get the feeling that they bought the club cheaply and thought they could make a profit, when they give kenny the money and they realised he bought poor players not worth the money paid for them they got their fingers burnt then they said no more, but buying no quality players for a team like us and expect us to fight for 4th well we all know its never going to happen, that's why stevie g came out and said the same thing, I wonder who that message was for, not BR he see's him every day, it just feels to me that FSG are not interested anymore and it concerns me, I may be wrong but as I've said before this window will tell us what the owners want out of our club and where they want us to finish, I've siad for days we won't buy another player this window, that's what the did with the red sox, they bought one player at a time, its their buissness model

{Ed002's Note - Nobody is denying that Dempsey was expected and didn't happen - sadly every one else moved on except a large number of Liverpool supporters unable to let go. Nirvana is getting nearer for you and the others who want them out.}


We can't let go because we've been mismanaged for years now extending our time in those DOLDRUMS!


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:52:48
How has Ian Ayre still got a job?


17 Jan 2013 11:26:42
Why are you so upset with him? I quite like him
FowlerisGod


I suspect he'll be this year's Commolli and take the blame for the year's failure. Obviously Kenny shouldered some of that blame, but at the budget BR is running the team, I doubt owners will be quick to move him.


Must be Suarez's fault (copyright A.Ferguson 2012)


This really is the great question of the universe

RedSpud


He's ok, tho I think we'd be better off with someone who:
a) has more experience of leadership at that level;
b) doesn't annoy other clubs or the FA as much as he is reputed to;
c) has a decent tailor. His suits always look incredibly scruffy.
Aardvark JFT96


But he's always available if you can't find him he's up Henry's arse


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:49:45
I'm getting increasingly worried with our top players (Stevie G and now Suarez) coming out and voicing their concerns about our transfer policy of only buying young.
Stevie has called for experience and now Suarez has said that youth win you games but experience win you titles.
I'm sorry but if FSG don't pull their finger out we will lose our backbone of players, stop attracting top players and become a mediocre club!!
Yes they have turned the club around.
Yes they have saved on wages.
Yes they have increases our income.
But none of these will get us anywhere near the top 4!
I'm really starting to worry and doubt fsg's strategyl

Stevie J


If Suarez wants to go, good luck to him! We have Ince coming back!


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:48:54
To everybody thinking that we are going to spend big money on any player, think again.

We had to get Cole and Sahin off the wage bill to afford Sturridge. FSG do not have the money or the inclination to spend big.

We are being financially streamlined so that we are more attractive to potential buyers. {Ed002's Note - Why the obsession with "spending big". The club does spend "big". Would you like to see them borrow money and spend more? Does it matter on which players or do you just want to see "big" spending?}


17 Jan 2013 11:28:00
12 million is a fair amount of cash to be fair
FowlerisGod {Ed002's Note - What makes you think it was £12M?}


The vegetables are breeding

cozinoz


It was 13.2m and could rise to 16m i believe.


To be fair, why should they 'spend big'? The club is still making a loss (which they've been covering) and FFP is coming. Best to live within our means and build a solid foundation for the future.
Do any of the poeple advocating 'spending big' actually understand how club finances work or the state the club was in when FSG bought us? Leaving aside the 'but we're a big club' argument (yes we are, but H&G left us as a financial basket-case), look at and understand the actual numbers in the accounts. Then pray the day never comes when you get your way or FSG are forced out
Aardvark JFT96


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:43:15
17 days gone since the Jan transfer window began, it has been disappointing to say d least. More so because of the statements coming out from the board and the manager are drastically different leading to lots of confusion.

Two of our best players Suarez and Gerrard have expressed their concerns already in the club's transfer policy.

Signing a quality experienced player can just lift up the players and the fans happiness.


What are you bleating on about?
We needed a striker, we signed one after 2 days, he's played 90 mins over 2 games and scored 2 goals.

Where does this crazy idea that the road to success is to buy 6 players evey transfer window.
That policy doesn't lead to much consistency, let me tell you.

M.Aurelius


Remind me of the players the top 6 clubs bought so far?

It doesn't really get busy until the last 4-5 days!

SR


Suarez and Gerrard can keep their opinion about transfer plans to themselves. Tails don't wag dogs here-
you need the Chelsea page for that

Puzzled


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:36:56
Hi eds - according to Unal Aysal the amounts quoted for wesley sneijder (purchasing the player and contract offer) are being overstated in the media. It's obvious he doesn't want to go to Turkey, however if the less than 5.5m euro contract offer is to be believed then this is no where near the 160k euro wage he is demaning. So the media are doing a good job of making it very very confusing. I think Liverpool have been burnt too many times with the hope of getting an older player to deliver. God know we have seen it with Kewell, Cole, Morientes, Maxi etc.... I'd guess that if he came to the Prem then he is may go to Arsenal or Man U.

Anyway - Guardiola to Bayern is a good move and one that made me laugh with all the comments from Man you fans who suggested he was the one to replace Fergie. I ask you - First? Does Fergie have that kind of influence where he states that he wants to stick around for a few more years, and Guardiola say ok I'll work in Germany till then? The arrogance of some Man you fans who think this. The second question - If not, (as Guardiola has gone to a club with tradition, a good set up and great fans in Germany) do you think that he may interest FSG/Liverpool and vice versa if in three years time we are ony just in scrapping into the champions league? i.e. BR has had 4 years to challenge and not quite made it?

{Ed002's Note - Please forget the wages and figures - you are simply getting in to a mess not quoting currencies, not understanding if it is net or gross and not talking account of a number of other matters. I really do not see Guardiola taking over at Liverpool from SSN in three years time.}


SSN? ??

Dublad {Ed002's Note - Super Stevie Nicol.}


Thanks

Dublad


So you think Nicol is being lined up Ed002?

Puzzled {Ed002's Note - I was teasing Puzzled.}


No you weren't - you were teasing everyone

Puzzled


What? nicol going to be Ed no.2?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:36:05
I totally agree with everyone that said Sturridge would be a waste of money for the club. He only managed 2 goals for us in all the games he played this season. totally not worth it. i rate cavani, llorente (instert exotic stiker names here) more.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:32:31
LIVERPOOL FC'S £150million project to redevelop Anfield remains on track with the club hoping to submit a planning application in the spring.

Back in October, owners Fenway Sports Group announced they had shelved plans to build a new stadium in Stanley Park in favour of refurbishing the club's current home.

"We are very pleased with progress, " said Reds MD Ian Ayre.

"A lot of work has gone on behind the scenes particularly with the acquisition of properties and architectural work to look at designs and plans which would be submitted for planning permission.

"We've got a meeting coming up in the next few weeks with the steering group which is made up of the various parties who were present when the announcement about the regeneration was made.

"Certainly in terms of milestones that we set ourselves, we are on track. We're pleased with the way we're heading and there's no reason to feel anything other than optimistic."

- Liverpool Echo


Good if we believe anything Ayre says!


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:28:35
Pound for pound all things being equal torres is a better striker than suarez. fact. suarez is a no 10 torres a no 9. goals win games. i'd prefer both but suarez won't hang around for much longer. yes 50million was great business but his replacement (carrol) has no future at lfc. 35 million wasted. take his transfer fee when he sold and spend it on torres not some player with potential. potential don't win games. lfc fans are the most patient understanding supportive and forgiving. im willing to bet if we took torres on loan and he started scoring his chelsea misadventure would soon be forgotten. if he fails we don't buy him. simple. unless you prefer some mediocre player who promises so much but never delivers. lfc are falling further behind with every passing season. we NEED snjieder (spelling) and a torres scoring goals would be a bonus


Goals win games ? spot on but torres does not score goals so that's dead in the water. anyway, we have DS who will prove to be a great addition, along with WS ;-)


If Torres came back on loan and started scoring goals again do you think the transfer fee would stay the same?.... Nope, it's a lose lose situation. Either he is poor and costs us wages every week till the end of the season or he scores a few goals and his transfer fee rockets or Chelski recall him? Even if he scores goals who is to say that Suarez or Sturridge wouldn't have scored in the same position, Rather we moved on and closed the chapter....... Infact why not go for rush till the end of the season on a short term deal?


You really have no clue. Fact.


Torres scoring goals for Chelsea would be a bonus, because they win without him anyway. LOL

SR


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:24:57
Hi eds.

Any idea why the betting on sneijder has been suspended on ? Has he agreed a move somewhere?

Thanks

Rich


He was never coming to us.

FowlerGod.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 09:58:26
Sorry to use the 'S' word Eds, as I'm sure you are sick and tired of reading it, but can you explain to me why, potentially, Galatasary are in a position to pay Sneijder's wage demands and we are not?

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I always imagined us to be a more successful, richer club than Galatasary, yet it appears one of the main reasons we are not in for him are his wage demands.

Do Gala have rich owners or something? {Ed002's Note - I really don't want to open up the issues of explaining the state of Liverpool's finances yet again and I have no interest in trying to equate Liverpool's available money against those of a sporting (not football) club that operates under a different tax system and where sponsorship is oft organised for individual players. Fenerbahce were sniping over costs on Monday.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 09:43:11
Eds let presume here that Reina is leaving would liverpool have any interest in valencia goalkeeper as an replacement?
cheers great job you guys {Ed002's Note - I really can't answer that. If we presume that Brendan Rodgers leaves will Liverpool be interest in the Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk coach?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 09:40:03
Why I think Liverpool should sign Wesley Sneijder.
It's been well stated about Liverpool's transfer policy over the last 18 months or so, buy younger, often cheaper players on lower wages. Players with potential and mix them in with the pool of talent coming through the ranks and although in many ways I agree with the long term benefits of this policy I also think that there's something else that needs to be added to it.
I believe that every now and then with this policy that a more experienced player, a big name, has to be added to the group for various reasons.
Obviously it's about quality and would the team benefit from it and in this case I think it will. If it's the right player, which I believe Sneijder would be, it can lift the squad, adds that quality and experience that some of the younger players, through no fault of their own, don't have at this moment in time. It raises the bar of the team and lifts the fans.
I also think it makes a statement to other teams saying hey we're Liverpool, we're still here, a big club, where the best players want to play. It raises the profile. I personally think that sneijder would do that. He also plays in a position that we need improving on at the moment. I think it also makes a statement to current players here such as Reina, Agger, Gerrard and Suarez that the best can still be brought in and give them a lift to raise the bar. People say oh but it will halt the progress of players such as Shelvey and Suso, but it won't, if they're good enough they'll always make it.
It may not happen this time with Sneijder, even though he has stated that his next move is not about money but the right move for his career, he's desperate to play in the Premier League, But I do believe in general that this sometimes has to happen to help with the here and now, not just about the future, although I do believe our future's bright.
Thanks Eds, sorry fo the long post.

YNWA

dannyMAC


 

 

17 Jan 2013 10:06:44
I've just read the Sporer quote never heard or seen him play IF the quote is true sounds like a good lad.

Reusch.


 

 

17 Jan 2013 09:58:53
Man, I appreciate the eds for their info.

But there was a person who posted on Monday that Guardiola could be off to Bayern Munich next season. That guy just pulled off a miracle, no one in their wildest dreams would have taken a punt on that even if it was 100/1.

Kudos to the lad. He seems to be in the know.

The eds were caught unaware of that too. It is not a statement to undermine or underappreciate your work eds.

mgz {Ed002's Note - Bayern was one of the clubs mentioned but they were identified as outsiders together with AC Milan - who I understand were the source of the leak regarding Bayern. I understand that Manchester United are most upset at his decision.}


Was Ferguson going to 'go upstairs' then ed002, if Pep was brought in ?
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - I have no idea where Ferguson was going to go.}


17 Jan 2013 11:23:00
Why are united upset? Is taggart quitting or were they hoping pep would sit patiently for the next couple of years
FowlerisGod {Ed002's Note - Guardiola was one of the two people that the club was looking at as a replacement for SAF and had strong support from within the club.}


Hehe, what I meant was was the move for Pep done with Ferguson's blessing ?
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - What move for Guardiola?}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 09:24:44
Agent Rafa - mission complete


 

 

17 Jan 2013 09:04:00
not a rumour just pointing out that odds on sneijder joining liverpool now down to 2 to 1


If their was anything in it the price would be
Well odds on

Bookies upto old tricks lu're you in by shortening the prices now and again

Lyndon


 

 

17 Jan 2013 07:07:29
Never before have I wanted The mancs to win like last night, so that we can get them again in the FA cup. Last chance for redemption or should I say revenge?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 05:27:03
Hey ed, do you think Suarez's latest interview about diving at stoke will lead to a sanction on the player by the FA?
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - I would doubt it.}


I have a bad feeling Suarez has had enough of English Football. He is probably trying to force his way out without turning us fans against him. Cant blame him tbh. Whiskey Nose might just get his wish and drive him out.
Indian Buzzer


17 Jan 2013 10:33:04
Indian Buzzer..
He is the only player I rememebr who has actually admitted that he dived..
If he wanna go out or forced by the media., ..
What about Mr. Bale...he should be a freestyle swimmer..probably a champion...


And the diving Young man of Man Utd


Heard Bale even has a pool in his backyard to practice!

SR


Im just saying that he should shut his mouth. He knows very well that the media will twist every word he says, so just keep quiet and do your talking on the pitch. I would be devastated if King Luis left, he is our best player by a country mile. But i would feel much better if he didn't interact with the media, coz it would only create more problems for luis and the club.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

17 Jan 2013 04:10:35
My god, the papers do me head in, ahats the big story, so what suarez says he dived against stoke, it was the most blatant dive ever, it was quite funny because it was so ovious, everyone knew it was a bad dive, so why go over the top with the headlines! When did journalist get so lazy, and stop trying to uncover storys that we know nothing about! Like why know away team ever recieves a penalty at old trafford!


Doesn't exactly Help himself sometimes does he!

Lyndon


Agree Lyndon.Is there a bigger picture here? he must know that can't help.Has he had enough of all the s. t he gets? funny Ronaldo never got half as much, ahh I forget who he played for


 

 

17 Jan 2013 03:30:22
Espn reporting that blackpool is not taking BR calls. Trying to make him sweat it out! Why do we even try to deal with them. Same thing with Adam though I wish they would have kept him!


I agree we should stop dealing with Blackpool it's their loss not ours.


Do you believe ESPN?


 

 

17 Jan 2013 02:34:23
Hey ed do you think the FA will take action against suarez after he admitted to diving against stoke?
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - I would doubt it.}


 

 

17 Jan 2013 02:09:15
Not entirely related to liverpool, but just to ask. To ed002, who do you think is the best bet to coach chelsea next season now that Roman's first choice guardiola has gone to bayern. Keep up the good work. BeTheReds {Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to discussing the Chelsea coach on the Liverpool pages, sorry.}


My guess would be the (not so) special one


 

 

17 Jan 2013 02:06:57
I've heard a rumour that with Tesco willing to buy old carthorses, they might put a bid in for Andy Carroll.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:35:52
ED002 I do not know how you do it. I get so mad just reading the same questions over and over and over over again, so I cannot imagine what it must do to you. You ought to be knighted for your services.
Damian


 

 

17 Jan 2013 02:47:56
While we have been unable to beat any team above us in the league, a win is still 3 points whether it comes against the team at the bottom of the table or the top. In 08/09 we pulled the double over Man Utd (even though they ended up higher than us in the league) because we lost to Middlesbrough & Spurs, and drew Stoke, Fulham, Hull, Wigan etc.

We are 6 points off from 5th, 9 off 4th or 11 points off 3rd. If we collect all the available points between here and May we'll have what typically through history has done enough to get teams to 3rd.

One of the next matches we have could set off a 2 year unbeaten run for us and as unlikely as that may be the point remains: we have to believe.

- Logic


Top post mate.

Given the new manager, new players, new system, one senior striker for most of the season, a bunch of youngsters in the starting eleven - we have done well to be where we are I think. As you have stated, the proximity to the top four is achievable by May. I don't expect we can achieve it, but I am never going to write us off until there is no mathematical chance left.

Liverpres


Aint gona happen we have City and Arsenal to play that 6 points lost before we have even started!

I still don't think it was a good idea to send key players away for a few days holiday before the Man you game.

We have played more consistently when the games have come quickly, these full week breaks don't seem to do us any good!

Any one else agree?

NS


Agree with the holiday comment, but I think both City and Arsenal are doable, at least draws, but maybe I'm wrong as people like to be negative on these pages!

Keith


 

 

17 Jan 2013 01:59:25
LIVERPOOL FC have adopted a new approach to players' contracts with lower basic salaries and more performance-related bonuses.

The Reds have been stung in recent years by the kind of lucrative deals handed out to flops like Joe Cole and Alberto Aquilani.

Now contracts are being structured in a different way to ensure there is a greater incentive to be a success at Anfield.

MD Ian Ayre said: "The attitude I'm trying to put forward when we're negotiating with agents is that we want to do a contract which is fair for both sides.
Fair often means the right amount of reward for a player who delivers. Everyone we bring through the door we expect to perform and and do the best they can. As long as any player does that they should be rewarded for it.

"I'm not one of those who subscribes to the idea that players are necessarily overpaid. I think they make a huge contribution to the biggest league in the world.

"From the football club's perspective, our view has to be that people are rewarded for contributing towards what we achieve. As long as contracts are structured in that way then everyone wins.

"If a player performs then he will be rewarded. That's the philosophy of the contracts we are offering and signing."
- Liverpool Echo

For those moaning about FSG paying low wages. They have increased the bonuses as incentives. Smart move I say


As long as working for the team stays the priority that should be fine. It does us no good if we lose a match where Luis gets a hattrick.

-Logic


I agree that the idea of bonuses makes good sense and will hopefully see players give their all

gareth


So when a top player isnt in first 11 and not earning his bonuses do you honestly think he won't start moaning and wanting to leave ....good idea but defo won't work


As long as they only get the bonuses when they do well, unlike our banks of recent times!
My worry is will this affect players coming into the club?

Keith


 

 

17 Jan 2013 01:56:38
Not a rumor but an frustrating observation. Liverpool have a reluctance to spend on quality players (or so it seems), and year after year, Liverpool slowing get lower and lower on the table.
So my observation is this....Man Utd sign Robin Van Persie, at 28 (I think) from Arsenal for big money and look how good he has been for them....yet Liverpool (repeatedly) turn their backs on players like Wesley Sneijder etc and sign lessor players like (no disrespect intended) Andy Carroll....and wonder why they are going backwards and fans are so frustrated.


I also have a frustrating observation - it is called your post.

Get over Sneijder - he is not right for our club.

Liverpres


RVP could have earned more cach by going to City. Sneijder seems to have 1 driver...cash. I take your point but there are greater concerns abut Sneijder's motivation.

AJH


Exactly. To get top 4 you need top 4 players. I'm not talking about lavezzi, Naymar, llorente, cavani etc etc I'm talking about quality players that can improve the first team not 'possibly improve the future of the first team'. We already have those sort of players. Although I rate ince, we already have sterling and borini. We have two key positions crying out for first team quality. CAM just behind the striker, another forward to play alongside sturridge and Suarez.


There are certain players i wish we had gone for, but we all now LFC have always made great players not purchased world beaters (largely anyhow).

gareth


Developmentally as a team and a club, we are simply not at the point Utd are. Its sucks but that is the deal right now. That is not to say they are a greater club, but just further up the journey into modern football than we are. They have been in a position for a long while where they could just regenerate as needed each year and upgrade with a superstar when needed. I don't think we were too far off that with Rafa in regards to a team but then it felt like it fell away very quickly. H & G certainly didn't help and this is where we really missed out. We are now trying to recover from that mess. I believe in the how we are now trying to do that.

Andy K


Exactly! and people ask(especially other fans) why we moan!


17 Jan 2013 10:37:02
anotyher forward to play alongside..suarez and sturridge..
whats borini doing then?
joe allenw as bought to be the next xavi..
since he became an utter flop.. we need another player in his same position...?
y are we buying crap players?
we are trying to sell almost all player we bought from past two season..
execpt..enrique and suarez...

YNWA


17 Jan 2013 13:33:03
In what way has Joe Allen been a flop? The majority of this season he has been great, not a goal scorer, but maintained possession, kept the midfield ticking over and hardly put the ball out of place. He has has a few bad games recently, but those have been games where the whole team have been lacking. He's had half a season with us, most of which has been good and he's already been slagged off to high heaven the poor lad, give him a break! He isn't the finished article yet, and our lack of squad depth has meant we have been forced to play more inexperienced players where normally they would have been rotated with the rest of the squad. Joe will be fine, unless he is driven out by lack of support. He doesn't need his confidence knocking like this


 

 

17 Jan 2013 01:53:25
Any chance Liverpool will buy llronte He fits our buying way. I would love to see snijder but they didn't get dempsey for 6m because of his age yet spent 12m on sturridge.


17 Jan 2013 02:19:34
Ya say we didn't buy dempsey coz of his age yet buy sturridge for £12m, duhh! Sturridge is 23 which means he's a lot younger
Jeeeez some people are so ......!


I agree, 12 million on Stuuridge was a waste. He has only managed 2 goals all season!
REDditch


If you are talking about Fernando Llorente from Bibao..... It looks to me like Juventus are seriously interested in him and maybe Arsenal will look at him too.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 23:53:48
Ed, I was just wandering, can clubs stop their players from signing pre-contracts with other clubs if they were about to sell him to someone else? Not really about any particular player, just curious

An Dun Red {Ed001's Note - it depends, if the player has less than 6 months left on his contract he can agree a pre-contract to sign for another club at the end of his contract. So long as that club operates under the auspices of a different FA. The club have no say in that. If the club is within the same FA umbrella, then the player has to wait to within 1 month of the end of his contract.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 23:45:55
Eds, your opinion on whether Tom Ince is worth all the hassle? Surely a good marker would be other top teams interested in him. I'd rather spend the money on a mid 20's player from the continent. {Ed001's Note - not for me, he has improved massively since leaving, but he still hasn't got the potential that Ibe or Adorjan or Sinclair have. Good player, but not quite good enough to be making a real difference.}


Which is why we should be going for better quality players that should improve the first team. It seems we're just unable to compete with other clubs so we go for players that no one else is in for.


Has more goals in him though ed and that's what you need to challenge


One of the eds suggested Adjoran would be unlikely to make it - I don't share that view, what are your thoughts whichever ed is here today?
REDditch. {Ed052's Note - hia. I am the one who doesn't think he will make it. I love him, and think that he is such a good player, and could bring such a positive impactto the team should he get the chance to play. But there lies the biggest problem. I cannot see him playing for the first team. I just dont think that he will get the oopportunity where most of the other youngsters have. His contract runs out in the summer, so dont besurprised to see him move on. For the boys sake.}


 

 

16 Jan 2013 23:32:53
Transfer policies, philosophies, 'trading players, ' tiki taka, 'the group, ' rather than the team or squad. What on earth is going on? What's wrong with buying the right players, at the right prices at the right time to do the right job?


Ian Ayre has made a statement which is contradictory and smacks of blind arrogance. His explanation of the summer transfer debacle is nothing short of ridiculous. He basically says that it was better not to sign Dempsey because the financial structure was not right and we would have paid the price because it would not be in the long term interests of the club. Well, why leave it so late to realize that then? He had the WHOLE summer window to sort out the Dempsey deal or identify another potential goal scorer.


Ayre then says he has no regrets about the above situation. This is worrying to the extreme. Most supporters will be left gob smacked by this remark- one recognized forward to go into a EPL season with, and Ayre is proud of his work?? All TV pundits (ex footballers, managers) have repeatedly said that we should have had another striker/ goal scoring midfielder in during the summer window - but Ayre has no regrets despite our results and league position. Blind arrogance and a dismissal of the fan's majority opinion.


As for the most balanced 'group' in terms of experience and youth he must be more deluded than I originally thought - again do our results and league position demonstrate this?
I know the transfer window is still open but currently we are still two down in squad number compared to the start of the window.


We have owners who are new to football and reside across the Atlantic, a novice manager who has no proven track record but is experimenting with his philosophy (without the required players), we are 8th in the league with no wins against the top half teams and a tough run of fixtures coming up. Finally we have an MD who demonstrates arrogance to the extreme and who's statement has raised more questions than provided reassurances for the future. Publishing photos of yourself sitting in front of paintings of Shanks and Dalglish does not raise you the same heights as those men who are icons and are Liverpool Football Club. Mr Ayre......those men just did not talk, they achieved!


LFC are in danger of loosing a huge fan base world wide as kids all over the world do not know about the great LFC sides or experience the nostalgia that makes them follow the club. Those kids will follow other teams who win things .....kids do not listen to public relations talk. Those kids will grow up and invest their earnings in following other clubs.....this is when the owners will feel the financial pinch.

It's simple. If Mr Ayre's and Mr Rodgers public relations talk is founded on truth and genuine ability in their respective jobs then the on field results and league position should improve. If it is 'hot Ayre' then will they be held accountable by FSG and moreover by the fans?


RedDoc


17 Jan 2013 02:57:48
How do you know what kids all over the world will do? Most kids follow their parents teams! And the dempsey deal was simple, dempsey said he wanted to play for a english team in europe, so until spurs came in, he was nailed on, also fulham wanted £6million of us, yet accepted less of spurs, we done the right thing! Have you ever run a football club? do you know what budget ayre and rodgers have? We have been sorting players who have been on high wages and long contracts, cole and aquallani to name 2, and what were doing now, is building a younger, hungrier squad, the academy has had a lot money invested, so in the next few years we should see them role into the 1st team, it needs patience! Yes there will be mistakes, but name 1 club were there isn't? Look united spend big on smalling, jones, kagawa, anderson, de gea and so on, but there squad is that deep, fergie can take them out, and they don't get slated, unlike us with our signings, ie: allen, borrini, henderson and downing, that's what j w henry has said, we are going to build a deep squad, that's young and not on massive contracts, so when we do bring players in, we will be able to bed them in, and not destroy their confidence, by having to play them, its a plan, and a structure that will keep us strong for the longevity, anyway sorry for rambling on and going off the original point, but all we need is to give brendan and ayre time, I know ayre sometimes comes across maybe arrogant, but isn't he, like us a liverpool fan, with the pressure of running the club, maybe henry and werner could be at liverpool a lot more, anyway were all entitled to an oppinion. And this is mine! Respect! We all want the same thing, a succesfull and winning lfc team! And to knock that fergie and his manc team of that f*cking perch! Y..N..W..A
Dhh


I agree, the kids won't consider LFC as a big team, they already follow Man City, Chelsea way more than before. Right now Stevie G. and the 2005 CL victory still have an effect on people around the world but that will wear out if we don't get back at the top soon enough. FSG should consider this.

HK


We all follow great players even if they do not play for our team and it would be fantastic to have the top players in our team like we used to.ynwa


Bang On Dhh.

Andy K


Good post RedDoc.

Ozone


Go to Europe/Canaries etc and Lfc tops are disappearing from markets and local sports shops.Replaced by City, Chavski.They are now the tops alongside Bayern, Manc U, Madrid, Barca, Milan. I ain't being negative-that's the sad truth


 

 

16 Jan 2013 23:29:02
"After what I did, I don't want to feel this way - practically obliged to make such an important step in my life in a short space of time. It's not a money matter.". After saying this Ed do you think there is a good chance if getting him? {Ed001's Note - who?}


Must be sneijder i guess


I would say a 90% chance

redkenyan


 

 

17 Jan 2013 00:22:24
It's 23 Years since we won the League .....

23 long football years!

Players have come and gone.

We fans have despaired as season after season we have
failed to reach the summit - but we stay loyal, support our club and hope that one day we will.

But right now, we are miles away from reaching the top again.

Will it be 25 years until we win the league or will it be 30?

God forbid it will go past 30 years!

The time has surely come for this sleeping giant of a club to
rise again like a Phoenix from the Ashes and do whatever it can to bring us the League Title.

Players come and go, but the fans remain come what may.

Time for the owners to sanction World Class players be brought to the club.

If we solely rely on bringing in young players and Academy players, then it will be 30 years until we win the title again.

M


Our transition started from Rafa's last uear in charge we won the CL in his time and also cane 2nd in the league

He failed o bring the title so we are starting again

United have bought young players (jones smalling buttner rafael welbeck cleverley) apart from RVP an sit at the top of the table

Just have faith in BR its only been 6months and we are were we've been for the past 4/5 years but if you can't see that BR has a bright plan that will take tome due to financial restraints then i can't help u

Rafa is not the answer unless we have 100 million + to give him to buy players


17 Jan 2013 04:06:03
he will waste like kenny.


Rafa is not the answer your right

As for relying on young academy players, i am not sure we do but if we can continue growing great talent and mix that with experience and the odd world class players that is the winning ticket.

Remember Spain were not always world beaters with exception of Real and Barcelona but continued teaching the good game to youthful spanish players and look at them now

Gareth


United sit at the top not because of youg players and RVP apart. They rarely buy a player under £18m unless they spot a talent like Hernandez. They have blended youth with big signings

Nani 18m
Anderson 18m
Carrick 18m
Rooney 30m
Valencia 17m
Berbatov 30m
RVP 25m
Jones17m
Rio 30m - huge amount for the 02/03
Season !


Try getting that threw to Ayre and co.A blend of two options is way to go.Experienced quality with Top young potential


 

 

17 Jan 2013 00:06:04
You can praise rodgers all you want..he has now spent 42m on players, and we haven't improved a bit from last year .he no longer has excuses we have to start moving up the table, he needs to shut up and stop talking for the team, they should do that on the field

its still fsg fault for giving him the job in the first place, they are clueless about football and decided against hiring the professionals
Rodgers got the job not for his qualification, but for the sole reason of being the only one who would accept such a dumb transfer policy!

PACMAN


Mate

you are a flog

call yourself PACMAN cause you're a ladies man? what are you 12 years old?

You mention a dumb transfer policy, if these players actually play together for a few years and then at mid 20's they will peak. Or do you want to pay some hack like Joe Cole 100k a week for two years to clog up a position and a bench spot for a youngster.

Seriously wish some of these fans would give Rodgers a break - so short sighted.

red snake


The players he has bought come roughly the same price of 1 Andy Carroll

In Brendan I trust


REDSNAKE
for no reason you think you are smart . if they play together they would peak??who told you that crap, there is no guarantee with youngsters you say am 12 then you the smart man should know potential alone isnt enough in the epl

why do you think arsenal haven't won the league, they have implemented this same model with better young players not the crap we wasted money on, all for the sake of making profit so if you think this model is designed for sucess you are deluded..its all about the money when it comes to fsg

If they really want to bring success they should go buy players who would do so?and stop feeding us bull about a long term plan when other teams keep buying quality we keep buying young players??wtf

PACMAN


Go to disagree Pacman
I do not know how old you are but you have to give players time

Mata IMO was pretty crap for his first year
Silva for Man City was nowhere near as good in his first year
The list is endless

Sturridge however, i doubt he will do badly from the get go, but you have to give players time to play and adopt to team they are in

Gareth


 

 

16 Jan 2013 23:01:02
There's Chelsea dropping points again tonight, great effort from Southampton!

Think a lot of our so called "fans" on here need to stop moaning for a minute and take a look at the corruption that is Chelsea FC.

A win this weekend against Norwich, along with the possibility of Arsenal, Chelsea & Spurs dropping points is something that I'm relishing! Let's get behind Rodgers and the team and really push for 4th.

YNWA

Irish Red


Rafa's doing a fine job


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:54:52
'You can't continue to sell your best players and expect to improve' - Alan Shearer.


'Agger, Suarez and Sterling have signed new contracts - Brendon Rogers


Dont for get skrtel and suso too


Shearer knows all about being a successful manager.......

Ahem


More like you can't continue to buy very average players and finish 4th place. This in turn gives incentive for the top players to leave, Suarez will leave if where not competing at the top. We can get top players but it seems BR doesn't want to. Allen over Ramirez? Borini for £11mill for scoring 9 goals? Paying over the top fees to bring sahin on loan only to change our minds 6 months later? Assaidi is our best winger for £3mill but he doesn't use him? It's almost like SAF dictates what happens at our club. When Alex has an English manager in his back pocket, it means we have fell greatly and never will get back up. Although I rate rogers I don't think he's making the right decisions.


He is a classic MOTD pundit and should keep it zipped along with Hansen these days!
All of them are so arrogant it hurts watching them. Matt Le Tissier should be on there. Talks far more sense and was twice the player of most of them....though a little unfit! :)
And yeas do not moad Hansen was gret too and Ex Lfc but gets on my nerves nowadays

gareth


Used to love Hansens incisive comments, but he got too Blasé'.Hes painful now-Embarrassing


Brendan I'm a bit disappointed you can't spell your own name.

Ian ayre


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:49:35
Man Utd vs Liverpool No real competition. Utd have left LFC behind (Liverpool Who?) These days man utd are concerned with Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham & Arsenal. Man you vs Liverpool isn't a big game anymore because Liverpool have become so uncompetitive in league. Liverpool are 24 points off the pace. 8th place in the league and struggling to get 40 points on the board. Its mid January and we are struggling.

Now Kenny Dalglish had the team working hard for the first half of the season and we had our 40 points, gave utd a decent game, and won a cup. Under Kenny our season tanked due to lack of January spending. The second half was poor.


Our form was relegation for end o last season

100 million spending should hav is in the CL but he spent it on dross he's a legend but he cemented is midtable with his buys

Luckily we have a manager lile BR who knows what he's doing and will have us conpeting in time just need to replace the dross with players willing to fight for the badge

Not a 35 million pound striker who can't score in a greengrocers


Stop pretending to be a Liverpool fan fella. This is a banter site so bring on the banter by all means but don't pretend to be something your obviously not. No Liverpool fan would utter the words"Liverpool Who" in a sentence.
Whats wrong with stating your real club and then making a point about Liverpool. Its called banter!!
Grow up your an embarassment.
jonnybarnes89-90


Are you actually saying Kenny's problem was that he wasnt given enough money?

Andy K


Plus the Suarez 9 game ban debacle and everything that went with it didn't help Kenny.

Ozone


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:41:03
Rumour has it that it is Rick Parry who is helping out with our negotiating with Sneijder
Murton Red


Murton were you get your info from cause you do come out with some wacky stuff ha

mike


The same Parry who never did homework on Hicks(along with Moores?!


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:38:38
This sneijder talk has no real basis or does it? Is all just wishful thinking?


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:23:26
I have posted on here a few times - I don't think my frequency or content has been enough to get me noticed or recognised - and mainly I am what is called a supporter. I enjoy our wins, I bemoan our bad luck when we draw, and I sulk when we lose. I like Brendan and what is going on, I appreciate that we have needed another striker for some years now, and I want nothing more than the glory days back so we can ALL go to work with our heads held high again and put them Mancs back in their place. I have never been and never will never be "in the know" about transfers or movement etc (the same as 99.9% of people who come on these pages - it's because we have no clue that we google Liverpool Rumours and end up here!) and so I look at this site (and this site alone) and I quietly peruse the comments and tales that people spin about what they know. Sometimes this site is funnier than Sickipedia, chaps, with some of the in-depth knowledge of transfer dealings and contract agreements - it's comical! I mean, that Forren guy - I'd never heard of him, as I would wager the vast majority on here, so I had to laugh when people started moaning that Southampton were jumping ahead of us - by jumping ahead I mean offering a contract before trying him out properly as BR wanted to do to ensure he was right for our team. I mean, you couldn't even see him on Youtube properly, so why did so many get so uptight about it?

Anyway to my point - I also enjoy FIFA13 - (by the way - this does not count as a scouting tool for future names on your wish list - just because you scored a hat trick with Aubemayang does not mean he is the next Robbie Fowler!) and sometimes, when I get beat (which is quite often!) I foolishly go and buy the player that has done me the most damage - they must be good, right? Well this appears to be the strategy that a lot of people on here wish to adopt....and at the last count I had 157 different players! Is that what you expect FSG to do - buy up all the players they can, and try to make a team of 11 each week out of them all?

Basically, to cut a long post short, BR is doing a job - time will tell whether it is good, but it looks good to me. Keep it up, and keep it up Eds - you have the patience of a saint at times....


Fishyred.


 

 

16 Jan 2013 22:19:15
Why do i wince every time i see Ian Ayre has done an interview?!


Check where you thumb is...just saying!


 

 

 
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