Liverpool Banter Archive March 17 2013

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17 Mar 2013 23:26:54
In the case of sanchez, edd001 commented that if suarez were to go sanchez would be a an ideal replacement. If suarez goes or not we are still out of the CL, so why would we go for sanchez because we. would have the funds' I was stating that if hopefully suarez stays, i'd love sanchez in. At the end of the day we are a. massive club and money talks. If we were to bid 20plus million on sanchez barcelona would welcome the offer, then it comes down to if another club comes in. that's all hear say. Defense is a priority. If we were to sort out the defense in the summer, we will be top 4. With the addition of a top attacker aswell IMO we should be challenging. What has separted united from city has been VAN PERSIES goals. People same to forget United too have a leaky defense but make up for it in goals and the ability to get the result'

Sanchez isn't all that great.

Bruce Wayne

18 Mar 2013 07:56:26
So Big Al what was the difference with Utd last season if it's just VanPersie's goals that separates us from them.
I'd say it's a wee bit more than that.
JohnBoy

18 Mar 2013 07:56:26
So Big Al what was the difference with Utd last season if it's just VanPersie's goals that separates us from them.
I'd say it's a wee bit more than that.
JohnBoy

18 Mar 2013 10:30:12
sanchez is great. if he plays in front three.
countinho suarez and sanchez.
honda lucas gerrard.

goals from everywhere

Johnboy you need to read the post again. I statee van persies goals seperate them from city in them winning the PL. Last season who won the PL? Man city. Who is going to win it this season in united because city have failed to improve and united sitned. the deal breaker in VAN persie. Goals win gamesllets move onto the next match

17 Mar 2013 23:21:38
i really wish we was interested in diame of westham he is a poor mans yaya but he is just what we need can't be that expensive eds have a word

17 Mar 2013 23:21:29
anyone else notice how well carroll played? hopefully with a few more performances like that west ham will buy him

18 Mar 2013 07:34:30
he was as usual. running like headless chicken. no goals. not even a shot.

17 Mar 2013 22:43:01
Whys everyone so upset about henderson not playing for? What does he offer the team? Doesn't contribute to the attack, not a good tackler, never looks confident on the ball, goes missing for 90% of games (enough for me to often forget he's playing), not technically gifted, he literally just runs around 'working hard for the team' with a lot of 'energy', passing the ball sidewards or backwards. Not saying I prefer Allen, but for me i'd bench both of them, neither are good enough and their presence should not make BR believe he has enough quality in the middle and sway him from purchasing in that position in the summer.
For me, next game we need to play 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard and Lucas as the deep lying midfielders with Downing and Assaidi as the wingers with coutinho in the hole behind suarez. Sturridge has played poorly the last few games and does not merit a starting place in the centre forward role ahead of Suarez.

RDR

Have you even watched a game he's played in? Doesn't look like it. And if you have. Next time pay attention

17 Mar 2013 20:58:23
Hi guys if we achieve 6 th place will that be enough for a Europe leaque spot and outs for me in summer, Carroll sktel, downing, shelvey, spearing, coates, carra retiring. ins Williams, de vil, Sanchez, Alonso, Danny rose, turan, diame, ynwa {Ed002's Note - No, 5th for the Europa League this year.}

Spurs or Chelsea could win it with arsenal taking 4th though the latter seems unlikely

17 Mar 2013 20:47:18
Wether Rodgers (and don't see point changing, there is improvement) or someone else. A rocket is required for inept, poor attitude, lack of spirit performances. Certain managers we all know of-players wouldn't dare go off at h/t or f/t turning in such lazy performances. Hope Brendan gives them what's needed after THAT showing. They accept plaudits, must be man enough to accept b#¥+~|ngs

Br is one of the problems why so many 3-1 away defeats

17 Mar 2013 20:41:39
Energetic hard physically imposing box to box midfielders required, two of. Solid no nonsense hard Good in air centre Half. Minimum

So two perfect players which everyone will be after? While we are at it how about a world class striker or world class goalkeeper, not going to name any names. Just going to state obvious things

17 Mar 2013 20:22:28
brendan rodgers treatment of henderson is absolutely disgusting

why did he lose his place in the side when we were playing well with himin it

shocking

players get rewarded for good formnot dropped

tom1975

Too bad if he played badly everyone would call him 'dead wood'

Because he'd rather play his pet Allen who is not good enough

17 Mar 2013 21:40:20
They said that about Lucas

Hardly 'disgusting'

Agree. brendan rodgers should not just play allen because he is the guy he bought. How would have henderson felt watching injured allen who is on poor form start over him against southampton. Not slagging off Allen, he should get his surgery done ASAP and get back to form for next season.

You really think Allen will find his confidence again by NOT playing?

18 Mar 2013 05:54:09
i do agree with you hendreson was playing well don't know what happened. BR shows lots of faith in allen I just don't know why didn't he gave sahin that much oppurtunity if he accepted his defeat with sahin he must also accept that allen is just not good enough to start right now.

17 Mar 2013 19:43:23
Bring in two new defenders, bring back xabi alonso, sign christian eriksen and a wide player and watch us go next season. skrtel, coates, downing, assaidi, Carroll all to make way for the above.

Lets get Ian rush back to! Please give up on the Xabi back thing. I really do worry how many people on here are stalking there ex girlfriends?
MOVE ON! it was good whilst it lasted.

Sell downing? he's been one of are brightsparkes

People willlaugh

but henderson could in 4-5 years drop deep into that alonso role

he was beginning to shows signs of a xabi esque passing range before being dropped

his 70 yard ball to ince for eng u 21 s

if xabi had played that people would be creaming their shorts over it

tom1975

Almost. other option is to drop gerrard in the alonso role (and will prolong his career) and play hen do further forward

Gerrard is already in the alonso role

but long term hendo could do it

for now his energy as a box to box midfielder is more vital

tom1975

It's only 1 word, get back Benitez, or a manager at his calibre, and not a starter like Rodgers.

You couldn't sign eriksen if you tried

That was considerably more than one word.

Well the bring back Benitez crew don't believe in logic it seem's we should take a manager who has been reduced to playing teenagers for half a season and has clearly improved our first team and squad only to sack him after one season. If that wasn't good enough we should replace him with a manager who stood watch when our decline first happened and hasn't done much since. Finally I ask the Bring back Benitez clan, will we sack him in under a season when we don't get into the top 4?
derryred

17 Mar 2013 19:37:21
We all know we need 2 quality centre halfs, but surely we can put a package together to bring back the one player who I was in was genuinely devastated to see leave, xabi alonso. The guy is absolutely class, regardless of his age, this the type of real quality we need. His love for the club and the fans would definitely make us his first choice destination should he leave. I prey xabi comes back to Anfield in the summer, he would make a huge difference. {Ed002's Note - The club need to look for the next Alonso and not look to their past.}

Tend to agree with Ed

I believe he's good enough to play at the top level for another 3-4 years. He knows the club inside out, so in my opinion it's. A no brainer, while we attempt. To get back into the champions league, then we can find the new xabi alonso.

So why are Madrid letting him go? please move on.

They say u should never go back, but certain players are exempt from that rule. Ian. Rush went back to Liverpool and did very well. Manchester United would take Ronaldo back in an instance, like spurs would have modric ba. ck, so why not take alonso back

My problem would be the lack of pace and mobility in the middle of the park with Lucas, Shelvey an ageing Gerrard and an ageing Alonso, they might have some bite but they wouldn't be able to handle runners through the middle like for the Southampton goal at the weekend or the likes of Walcott, Silva, Bale et al. Love Xabi though and couldn't be upset if he pulled on a red shirt again

Well said, ED002

Because he's refusing to sign a new contract.

17 Mar 2013 20:55:27
Who wants Alonso when we have got Allen, I trust Rodgers and believe Allen is nex xavi.

In rodgers we trust

Are the same people wanting Alonso back, wanting Rafa to return too?;)

Sorry, but reading through some of the comments, I really do disagree.

xabi is the type of player that controls gakes, he dictates the pace, ebb and flow of what happens. he was ever the quickest, and the point about pace is nonsensical due to the above points. taking back a player of this quality is as one poster put it 'a no brainer'.

Jan Molby couldn't run, he could barely walk, but boy could he pick a pass. so where does the point about pace fit in?

as to finding the new Xabi, sorry ed, diasagree with you mate (I rarely disagree with most of your opinions), we have the next Xabi sitting in our reserves and youth teams, they just need someone to show them how to pass the way Xabi does. It's a win win situation for us.

Does that mean he will come back? Unlikely unfortunately. Would we all want him back? Of course!

We definitely should put a bid in and see what happens, its worked for the with scholes and Xabi is a far better player (any mancs reading this, feel free to argue, but know you won't get anywhere as I'm right, now scurry off to your own crappy page LOL!).

Red till I die

17 Mar 2013 19:27:41
Watching Andy Caroll playing for West Spam, u got to be amazed what options we'll have with him in the team.

I seriously doubt he'll be back.

Yeah like who's getting the next round of beers in lol

Just like ruddock and dicks, carroll needs to go.

17 Mar 2013 19:23:16
". The amount of money spend. and the support the owners have been.
we should have been in top 4.
no transition. no wood work. no miss chances. and blame.
simple as that.
over 120 mill and still in 8th position. is unacceptable for any owner.
if its Liverpool or UTD.

We panic and give the selling team what they want too many expensive players that no one else wanted and now we are stuck with them, who will pay what we did for allen, borinni, henderson, downing, carroll, coates etc etc please lfc learn from the previous mistakes and remember agents are not to be trusted.

18 Mar 2013 10:32:54
no. support them. after all we just supporters.

17 Mar 2013 19:11:45
On the lucas defensive cover, i'd like to give conor coady a real chance at it. The boy has the the right attitude and has the agressiveness and ability to his game. he's another year older so physically I hope BR gives him some game time before the end of the season and next pre season'

Al, the big problem is that the fans want an instant fix and Coady would not be afforded the time required to make the step up. We have a big issue in midfield as the collective of Shelvey, Henderson, Allen, Lucas is not good enough for a top 4 team and Gerrard is not getting any younger. Shelvey has talent but lacks mobility and has a suspect temparement, Lucas is a top professional but lacks the pace and strength for the role he plays, Allen is a bit lightweight particularly away from home, Henderson is a trier but I'm not sure where he fits in and he hasn't consistently performed.

That's because Henderson gets in the team and starts to play well and then for some reason gets dropped

Henderson would not get in the United team, Arsenal team, City team, Spurs team or Chelsea team. Would he even get in the Everton team?

His attitude I have heard is not great and for me he isn't good enough. Not brilliant at anything. Another average player, been around the club for awhile and not really seen much first team action despite captaining at youth levels. Got to ask why?

I'm sure the Ed's will confirm it but I'm pretty sure UTD wanted Henderson and that's why we were forced to pay so much. we had just lost out on Jones to them if I remember.

21 years is not an instant fix.

Oh yeah man u said they wanted henderson and they also said they would like adam they do that even when they are not interested in players as it makes the buying team panic and pay more than they should we should call the selling teams bluff and say ok let man u have him after all man u can not buy every player.

Hendo will be around longer than Coady and Jonjo IMO. Instead of slating Rogers for 'dropping him' why not look to the fact him not playing coincides with the arrival of 2 players who have been pushed straight into the first team. With all due respect it was never going to be/should be Lucas or Gerrard that make way.

SideShowBob

17 Mar 2013 19:18:03
Defense is priority. However I would like us to give a stab at alexis sanchez. The boy is an. incredible talent and is a perfect option for our game. Borino is of interest to Florentina and carrols on his way out, but will the funds be there to pursue another attacker like sanchez if thedefense looks as. if. it needs completely overhauled? I worry BR will go back for ince who is no improvement on what ee. have as he seems the most affordable option. Well see'

Al I don't think we're in a place where we can attract the likes of Sanchez, Robben or Eriksen, they are both top notch but are destined for clubs playing in the Champions League IMO. I think Honda, Menez, Shaqiri or Affelay are more realistic targets personally. Mertens would be great but again I think he would be looking for Champions League.

I'm not sure that the players are the issue with the poor defence. It is more the style of play

If Coutinho cost 45mil you'd all be praising the lad, putting him in the same class as the likes of Sanchez and Mertens.

We got a bargain on Coutinho, and he's proving to be every bit as good as the names spouted. Mertens? why all this fuss for Mertens?

Because the consistency he has added to his game in the last 3 years has been amazing

Yes, playing at nowhere near the level as Coutinho. In a team that didn't suit a player of his style. Mertens is a flash in the pan, you call it consistency, I call it minor experience. He's finally adapting to the league his in, as all players attempt. Could he do it at another club, in a top flight league, week in, week out? I strongly doubt it. The kid has to grow a heart first.

17 Mar 2013 19:12:20
ed. people says we are in rebuilding.
y are we in rebuilding?
is that coz. rafa left us in 7th place?
I am sure. if we were not out of top 4. we would have had the same team and same manager. and no rebuilding.

or is that coz. degan. elzhar. were given ridiculous wages?

17 Mar 2013 20:06:56
common. some fans here are impossible.
mine was a question. and how can someone disagree a question??

Maybe because your several years behind mate. Please keep up.

MIKEY

17 Mar 2013 19:05:42
Liverpool struggle to get motivated for some games. all teams do this sometimes. spurs didn't turn up today. united had a shocker but battled through and got a deflection and won 1-0. we have to learn how to win when we have a bad game. we need 1 or 2 players with a bit of balls about them to rally the players like allen downing

Bang on and a manager who puts fear of God into them for below bar performances wouldn't go amiss

I think Spurs 'didn't turn up' because of the possible draining effects of their European match. I think United have been poor for very many games (but in a below par league they are still way out in front) but their manager kicks them around the dressing room at half time and they are too scared not to win the game.
I can never accept a lack of motivation in a professional athlete. If they cannot get, or be, motivated they should find a new career

17 Mar 2013 19:00:51
Eds how much do you reckon de vrij, lovren, sanchez and gameiro would go for? {Ed002's Note - I really have no interest in discussing money as it tends to simply confuse.}

6 quid.

17 Mar 2013 19:00:19
Our women done very well against Villa. 5-0. Clinical

alex 7777

17 Mar 2013 18:53:32
bad result yesterday we have no consistency just as things were looking bright towards the end of season its just disappointing for us fellow supporters, let's just hope suarez stays end of the summer (which let's face it reds he most probably won't as we look doubtfull for Europe now) without him next season looks bland with no European football. i'm not a pessimist i'm just a realist

17 Mar 2013 18:40:10
All of us gutted and typical the Spuds lost today and last week's hard fought win seems like it was all for nothing.

Yesterday was just a further example of some of the inconsistent performances that have got us in this situation, when in reality, points we have thrown away with individual errors or holding leads and poor finishing have cost us! Man City x2, Arsenal away, Villa, West Brom home gives us another 12 points alone.

Going back to yesterday, after out recent performances, playing great football, I was really cheesed off with the lack of effort, the way we gave the ball away cheaply and the fact that we are knocked off the ball too easily.

Whilst I like Rodgers, I don't agree with some of his buys (Borini and Allen to name two) and even though the team selection was questionable, I think it was the team that let him and us down yesterday and although you can't deny Southampton played well, we let them - and more shockingly we didn't seem bothered! There are no leaders out there and only Jamie C talks but sadly, he will always get found out with his lack of pace.

Personally, I thought only Jones in goal had half a decent game and I thought that whilst neither Enrique or Suarez played that well, at least it looked like they were interested.

Sadly, Downing was hiding as usual when the going got tough; Johnson and Sturridge, who are England wannabes were an embarrassment in terms of effort and gave the impression they just wanted to be on the coach home; Agger and Skrtel were bullied and found wanting for physical presence all game; Gerrard is now being found out and he gave the ball away countless times and for the third goal just after the ball broke down, he did not chase back (don't care how old he is. if he's not fit enough he shouldn't be picked or should be pulled off for fresher legs); Coutinho needs time to adapt but showed flashes only and as for Allen he looks like he's seven and probably had his worst game since he was seven but he is not strong enough to play in that position for this club!

Lack of consistency is a killer and its not wonder us fans are driven to distraction but the lack of passion we saw yesterday is inexcusable, especially as they have played so well recently and should have been fired up.

Whilst I think there are good signs and we need an overhaul in defence, my biggest worry is the midfield and there is no physical presence or genuine pace there and in the Premiership, we will never get away with it if we ever wanna get Champs League football again.

Sort that out and the future is bright!

What's the point of posting well and not leaving a name?

Your logic is warped because i'm sure a lot of gooners would say if it wasnt for the comedy of individual defensive errors they made they would have won that game. all players in every team make errors from defensive mistakes to strikers missing an open goal, on top of that there's the mistakes refs make aswell, so how exactly are you going to stop human beings from making mistakes, please tell me cause maybe I wouldn't be divorced 3 times and paying my ex, s a clean fortune
anon

I agree with your summary, but Downing actually put in a good performance and got stuck in. He tracked back a lot and help Johnson wo did not have a good game. Hopefully when Kelly comes back it will put more pressure on Glen to up his game

Trouble is mate too many mistakes and too many points dropped as a result. They get paid stupid money to make mistakes which they should work on in training. you don't!

Paul B

17 Mar 2013 18:39:12
With Spurs losing and AVB on the cusp of the sack after 3 dismal defeats. We unfortunately missed a good opportunity to close up a bit.
The good thing is? In away games it's better to lose one, win one, better than 2 draws. So who's next? Villa here we come, we owe you big time.

17 Mar 2013 18:39:06
I suppose that this summer a lot will be about whether Suarez stays or goes. But the last thing I want is for it to carry on all summer. Either he is committed or not.

Anyway whatever happens I want LFC to be a better unit next season with or without Suarez. If he goes and we use the money well to make the top four then Suarez would be history a bit like Owen or Torres.

Listen I know this might be a bit controversial but the club will always be first before any player. Before anyone whinges I know Suarez is a top player on his day and is an important member of our attack. On this seasons form is one of the best in the prem. But remember its only been this season he as hit the heights.

I am not saying I would sell him but whatever happens I want LFC to be a better squad if that means using money from Suarez fee then Brendan will get my backing all the way.

I would only sell Suarez if a club bid over £75 million for him, I don't think anyone will and will be delighted if he stays

Mighty Reds
I agree with every thing you say. Suarez is a demon on the pitch, a real pain in the ass for opposing teams and I think he actually loves playing for Liverpool but again this is modern day football and players move on. All he can do is score goals and leave (if he does) on good terms and we remember the outstanding goals he scored in the red jersey. Football at Liverpool won't stand still for any player, not just Suarez.

Second poster, £75 million and I will fly him to where ever he wants to go.

The Irish Rover

Rover I said £75mil because he is much better than Fernando when we sold him and it has to be stupid money for a stupendous talent. It would be nigh on impossible to replace him particularly when you look at the overall recruitment picture of the last 5 years, it's definitely not worth considering a bid of less than £60 million unless a clause in his contract says otherwise.

If Liverpool were stupid enough to sell their best player, attracting world class replacements to a mid-table side with a manager who is not really a powerful name would be impossible. In the short term, the future would be bleak and even finishing in the top half of the table might become difficult.

Red Owl

Red Owl
We attracted Suarez when we were in a worse position under Hodgson. There sre plenty of good footballers out there.

The Irish Rover

Irish Rover, when Luis Suarez joined Liverpool Kenny Dalglish was the manager, not the rather less charismatic Mr Hodgson.

Red Owl

17 Mar 2013 18:32:57
we all have a opinion, I feel for fsg first they gave kk/comolli some real money too start with, then they brought in BR and he bought allen 16mil borini 12mil assaidi 3mil and shain in summer.
we didn't strenghten ourselves in summer.
reina, johnson, skrtl, agger, enrique, lucas, gerrard, henderson, downing, suarez nearly played every game.
allen never 16mil
borini bad luck needs a good run and needs to be fit.
assaidi why the hell we bought him?
sahin lost for words.
coutinho for the future
sturridge good buy.
in summer we might go for williams and swansea will ask silly money.
pay silly money for starters and buy some players for the future.
the only reason we are behind arsenal and tottenham is because we don't seem to be able to buy the right players that makes is better.
MALTA

17 Mar 2013 18:21:06
So if you change a manager and it still becomes the same than what will you do? again starting from the beginning and no result. than sack the manager again and bring the new one?

thats the difference between chelsea and manchester united, you know!
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Collins mate I really don't get this if you change a manager you will have to start from beginning, they are lots of teams who have change manager and have progressed rather then starting from beginning I can give you million and trillion examples.

No manager can be compared to Fergie or what happen at united 20-30 years ago

Wenger has been at Arsenal for 18-20 years and still his no where near fergie

Moyes has been at everton for 11 years and still couldn't built a decent team who could win at Liverpool or atleast carling cup.

Fergie is exception, manager like fergie comes once in a lifetime so can't be compared with Liverpool.

Houllier when came to Liverpool didn't need to start from beginning did he?

Benitez when came to Liverpool didn't start from biegining did he? And mind you these manager never spend anywhere near Rodgers in their first season and had poor team compare to Rodgers.

I agree, its a nonsense to suggest that every new manager needs to start frm scratch. Imagine when Ferguson retires at Utd, do you think their new manager will get a few seasons of transition?

The Irish Rover

Ridiculous post.

Wenger led his team a whole season unbeaten, 49 games in total, a feat that will probably never be matched again in our lifetimes. He has refused to be held to ransom over wages and transfer fees, generated the majority of his transfer spend through player sales and turned Arsenal from a competitive London team into a worldwide brand whilst qualifying for the Champions League every year for the last 17 seasons taking them to a magnificent new stadium whilst making them cash rich in the process. Moyes has done an amazing job considering the lack of funds at his disposal, they should be nowhere near Liverpool let alone ahead of us and have finished ahead of us 2/3 times since he has been there. Houllier was already at the club jointly with Evans before he began rebuilding and was given plenty of financial support and Benitez built on the foundations already in place under GH namely the defence, he also finished fifth behind Moyes's Everton in his first season.

17 Mar 2013 18:55:54
But our problems span several managers, suggesting there isn't somebody who will come in and get us into 4th straight away.

Loathe them or love them, Rafa, Hodgson and Dalglish were good managers, and they couldn't fix the problems straight away.

I suppose the jurys still out on Rodgers, simply because all the above managers had a top flight title of some sort on their C. V.

Mate you just can't change the manager so frequently when the club is in transition. and its not the way to progress.

just think if we sack rodgers who would you bring? there's also a question of availability or affordability.

You just don't need a better manager moreover you need to give him a awful lot of money to spend. can we afford that atm?

you were talking about houllier and benitez! they are past mate! you just think the competitiveness of the premier league at that time and now! its total different. watch how man city and chelsea are spending. can we compete with them as a a club in transition? will our owners do the business that way?

more over look at the other teams everton, spurs, arsenal. even west bromwich, swansea are giving the top teams a good shake! its the toughness! now did that exist at those time?

and before blaming rodgers why don't you blame dalglish about how much money he wasted? rodgers at least playing some great stuff where when dalglish was our manager we played boring football same as west ham, stoke.

I am not saying rodgers is 100% right in fact his first few signings were a bit questionable so as he lacks tactics when needed. But again we played some beautiful stuff which make me dream of better days. Now he just needs to bring 4/5 quality players in the summer and build the team.

why don't we wait one more season to watch how the team progress under rodgers?

No but bring in the right manager, not the wrong one

Come on lad, Moyes couldn't build a decent side? Everton are more than likely going to finish above us again, and in comparison has spent bugger all. I'm not for one second saying I would want him as our manager, but what I am saying is that if he'd of had the money that we've wasted on some players in recent times, then the truth is they'd probably be far closer to regular champs league football than we look like being for the forseeable. It hurts like hell to say this, but our sole aim for the rest of the season is to try and finish above them, someone has got to be accountable for this, and for me its BR. The signings he has made have, for me, been below what a club like ours should expect, Allen? useless, Borini? useless, Sturridge? seems to be an individual rather than a team player, and what happens if Luis decides he wants to play at a higher level and asks for a move? yes, we'd be 60 million bullets better off, but would you trust BR to spend it wisely? No, neither would I. And before anyone states that we are a team in process, then look at the records fellas, its a generation ago since we won a domestic league title, just not good enough. 007

17 Mar 2013 19:39:44
Wenger is no where near fergie, fergie has won 12-13 league titles and 2 champions league cup in 25 years at united where wenger has only to show 3 league titles in his 20 years

Benitez won champions league in his first season, with spending only 12M can't be compared to Rodgers who has spent like 60-70M in his first season.

Moyes is the most overrated manager in history of Epl, got 11 years and still couldn't win darby at Anfield or any cup total failure.

Good post. Look at AVB at Spurs who had to replace Modric and VDV (4th in EPL and still in Europa), Laudrup at Swansea who had to replace Sinclair and Allen but still improved Swansea (in league and won League Cup) and Clarke at WBA who people thought would take them into the Championship after Hodgson left yet he has improved them from day one. It doesn't always take 3 years to improve a team.

HB

17 Mar 2013 20:06:44
Collins mate again your out of you depth mate, what transition your talking, this is modern footy we are not in 40s or 70s, rodgers has spent 60-70M and that should be enough to finish in top4 in fact Arsenal or spurs or everton haven't spent anywhere near Rodgers and still are doing fantastic.

What footy you were watching when Dalglish was manager haha your a person to say that we were playing like stoke or westham, I'm not the biggest fan of Dalglish but to say that it just shows your knowlledge of footy mate.

Premier league hasn't change from before in fact it has regressed, how many teams are their in champions league, top teams in league have fallen and small teams have taken advantage, if teams like spurs are finishing in top4 is not because they are good its because of Liverpool and Arsenal have fallen down, ask any united fan and they will tell you that this is the weaker united team in 20 years and still they are top of the league, yeah epl is so strong that even teams without good midfield and defence which is leaking goals left and right still can win.

Fergie has only done that by breaking every British transfer record in his first 10 years in charge whereas Wenger has taken virtual unknowns and turned them into £25 million players thus generating over £150 million which has facilitated a move to a new stadium and he went 49 games unbeaten and won the double in his first full season in charge. Also you cuss Moyes but not that long before he came Everton were a relegation threatened team needing a Barry Horne injury time winner to keep them in the top flight - now he's ahead of Liverpool who have spent over £100 million in the last 2 seasons. Both are amazing managers.

What Moyes HAS got though is a team of players with mental strength. We have too many players whose heads drop when we go behind or when we are bullied. I wonder how much care we take in evaluating this mental strength in potential targets?

Wenger has only won 3 league titles in 20 years? And Moyes is the most over rated manager in EPL history?Get real pal, and we call Evertonians bitter? What i'd give for them 3 titles, or even a manager who consistently gets the best out of a team whilst spending next to nothing, imagine if that shower had money to spend, keep our integrity son, we're Liverpool, magnanimous in victory but also gracious when things aren't so good

Nearer 170m spent, and what does the word transition mean? please explain, because as far as I am aware every team changes its playing staff every year and some also change their managers, are swansea in transition? are reading and s/hamton and what about spurs, are they in transition. I think a lot of clueless fans are using this word as a cop out to cover the inadequicies of the team

18 Mar 2013 00:36:02
Telling u if things go wrong for rodgers and honestly I hope he has a lengthy spell at Liverpool bt if he falls? give benitez the job! I know a lot of people won't agree bt I don't care lol

18 Mar 2013 01:46:22
Mate fergie will go down as the best manager ever in epl history, will wenger or moyes be rated the same way?

If fergie shows his CV, wenger will look like championship manager and moyes wouldn't even be counted as manager.

17 Mar 2013 17:15:59
Brendan getting it in the neck again I see. this season, some of his tactical changes have been second to none - I don't know what happened yesterday, I didn't see the match. But Brendan can't play the game for them! If the players don't turn up, what is he meant to do? We have had a great run recently, we can't win every game, didn't Southampton beat the current EPL champions a few weeks back? Things are really looking up for us, no one said we would get top 4 this season, we decided that all by ourselves!

Also on his signings - when he took over the job as manager, how long did he have to assess the squad and look at what we need? He had to go with what he already knew, and what he thought would work after only a month or so of getting to know the players and how the squad works. His January signings were much better than summer's, and this summer will be better again. If we stick by him he will do us proud. We have been scoring 3, 4, 5 goals per game, when last season our biggest issue was hitting the back of the net, after 20 or so shots on target! We are not that many players away from being a top 4 side. He has the task of reducing our wage bill and offloading players who aren't getting any game time, and replacing them with better, cheaper players on lower wages. In a few seasons time when the club is self sufficient, we will be grateful for what he has done. To jump on his back so early on is not only pathetic but shows a complete lack of understanding about how these things work! Do we really want to get in a new manager, who will again change things around and preach a new style of play, when Brendan has us playing arguably the best football we have seen in years?

Chelsea, for example, with the quality of players in their squad should be beating teams week in week out, but they are begging for some consistency in their management. How can a player of Torres' calibre go from being a stand out player in the prem, to a complete flop? If FSG sacked Rodgers now, or at the end of the season, we would have to start all over again. We are not yet in a position to spend £40m on a player who will demand £200k a week, who might not work out for us! Who else would we have? Who would want to come to us knowing how much pressure they will be put under, and how hard us as supporters are to please? and before people say Rafa, as much as I love him, and as much nostalgia as the thought of it creates, he is partly to blame for the mess that we are still clearing up. He can pick a star player a mile off, but do you think FSG would give him a limitless budget? Or that he would be any happier now not being allowed to buy all the players he wants?

Brendan needs more than one season to show us what he can do, we can't keep focussing on the negatives, and need to start looking at how far we've come. I would bet anything we will finish higher than last season, only on a reduced wage bill and with a thinner squad than is ideal - this is what they call 'progress'

Cheers

Good read that mate, well done.

MIKEY

Spot on

I don't think Br should be sacked, maybe take a long hard look at himself in the mirror and realise/admit that he's made quite a few mistakes this season and he keeps defending useless players.

A manager with more nouse about him like I hate to say it red nose from the mancs would have addressed our problems months ago.

I think we have a top manager in the making with Rodgers. let's just have a bit of patience.

That's the same red nose who was fantastic in his first season at United - perhaps you're not old enough to remember?

In fairness to BR, his post match comments were very honest. I just hope he's more emotional in the dressing room at half-time and after the game. The players need to be scared of facing the manager after a defeat and/or a poor performance (from an individual or the team). That's why man-ure win more games than anybody else when conceding first - thy're scared rubbishless of facing AF in the dressing room.

There will be more days like yesterday, but we're going in the right direction under BR. Only the ignorant expect us to win every game. It will take another two or three transfer windows, but we will be successful again. Remember it took man city 3 years to win the EPL with all the money they had to spend.

Really good post, mostly agree, Rodgers is not infallible nor is he responsible for all of our shortcomings, the same applies to individual players.
It's a collective, Manager, Players, Supporters were all in it together.
You'll Never Walk Alone. should mean what it says and not be taken cheaply.

Someone with somethibg sensible to sy after the usual tripe when we lose.

I would like Brendan/whoever to retain the fairness he displays but put the fear of God into them, when they turn in inept, passionless inexcusable inconsistent performances

Red nose had pedigree before he came to united with his achievements at Aberdeen.
BR has no pedigree, sacked from Watford and Reading and then inherited a Swansea side which he did ok with. Laudrup has taken that side and achieved even more.
He is a middle of the road manager who will not take this club where it needs to be

Shankly had no pedigree before he came to us and neither did Paisley when he took over.

I hope BR does turn out to be something special eventually, but he needs to sort out both his and players mistakes before the powers that be say enough is enough.

And I am more than old enough at 58 to express my opinion, that's to the person in previous post.

17 Mar 2013 17:15:46
I think Rodgers is doing a pretty good job and don't like jumping on his back after a loss, can't help but feel he outsmarts himself some times, not playing a holding midfielder yesterday was an obvious mistake we had no way of controlling the game. making the double substitutions against Zenit straight after scoring and having them on the rack was another example. I think he will have to start doing the blatently obvious or he may well be another one on the scrap heap.

Think BR needs an experienced 2nd man with him, yesterday when Carra was not playing, it was football suicide not to play a holding midfielder, it is so obvious, we lost the midfield in five mins, then it was 83 mins before Hendo comes on,
redforever

Sensible post above

17 Mar 2013 17:07:06
Shame we lost yestaday because after Spurs losing then 4th could have been a real outside possibity.
Cant see us getting it now after that hammering we took.

17 Mar 2013 17:37:53
We are not good enough to finish in top4 and that's fact, forget top4 and let's put our house in order, we have got a manager who is inept when comes to tactics, we have player like Allen who has cost us 18M and no where near adorjan or coady, we have bought assaidi who even doesn't get a look, we have payed 11M for Borini who wouldn't get a chance in any epl team, and the worst is Sahin saying in media Rodgers is the worst manager ever to coach him.

Quality wise we are good enough for 4th but consistently wise we are not

Oh well, if sahin said it, it nust be right then. Or could it just be sour grapes from a player who turned out to be a massive disappointment

Let's bring back KK and Comoli - we could do with another round of £75 million spent on Carroll, Henderson, Downing and Adam, that will sort us out no problem.

17 Mar 2013 16:56:01
Eds fellow reds, do you see the joe Allen situation, the same as Lucas. He had some haters for 3 seasons and now he's up there with the best player. or is joe Allen just out of his depth

Or maybe your qaulity has dropped so low now lucas looks better?
Chris the REDman

Allen was one of the best midfielders for ball retention in Europe last season. Despite being a top performer in a struggling side at the start of this season and carrying an injury for 5 months some people see it fit to bash him when the whole team has not performed. His impact against Spurs last week was excellent and his injury probably goes some way to explaining his performances of late but do fans take that into consideration on here - No. Allen is getting pasted primarily by the BR haters, the fans who didn't want BR in the first place and don't want him now. Does anybody remember how bad Lucas was under Rafa?

Chris redman does have a point because if alonso was still here lucas wouldn't get a sniff

17 Mar 2013 19:15:36
people here are confused.
it was not allen who changed the game against spurs.
it was a 3rd midfielder.
common. that's the difference.
we have to play with 3 midfielders.
and in cause if u need to drop a star name. please drop him.

You don't start a player who is injured and needs surgery! especially a player who lacks confidence, in a premier league away game, whos position is the most important on the pitch! I feel sorry for Allen it was bad management on BR part

The post about Lucas does not hold. For one, when he came into the side he was compared to Alonso, Masch and SG which was the best midfield in Europe so he was always going to look second best. However, even then, it was clear he had some very good attribute, solid, able to pass (even though he sometimes gave the ball too easily).
Henderson has similar qualities.
Allen has none of the above and is a pedestrian.
Even in the win against Spurs he was the one LFC player who made no impact.
I cannot for the life of me understand why he dropped Henderson after the good form he has shown
It's decisions like these that shows BR is bloody minded and not prepared to admit he has made a mistake in certain players. This is very dangerous for the club
G

17 Mar 2013 16:45:05
When are people going to learn that letting 10 players go and bringing in 5 players isn't an option? The squad is small as it is and what BR has stated time and time again is he wants to add to it. In my opinion I would say the club would maybe listen to offers for a small number of players but realistically don't want to sell maybe more than 3 or 4 because that takes away from what we are trying to build on. All these people listing skrtle, Coates, Assaidi, Allen, shelvey, Borini, Carroll, spearing, Henderson and downing and wanting to bring in 4/5 to replace them need to catch a grip. Since when have you ever heard of a team getting rid of that many players? Never! That's when! As I've said before let the people at the club do their jobs and worry about transfers unless u have decent info or atleast have a clue about how football works. Playing fifa 13 doesn't count!

Gazman10

What about football manager?

Gazman I think it's pretty evident that is in fact what will happen. We need quality to compliment our youth, Rodgers is committed to developing young players and the only way this is going to happen is to move fringe players on and replace them with a small core of quality players to enable the likes of Kelly, Wisdom, Suso, Sterling, Ibe, Teixera, Smith, Mclaughlin, Dunn and Rossiter to establish themselves in years to come. Think about it mate.

17 Mar 2013 16:31:44
After just looking at the scores and seeing spurs losing 1-0. It would be typical of LFC life for them to lose today and us not to have won. i'm still so gutted today about yesterdays result. : ( ynwa

17 Mar 2013 16:17:02
I think I would rather have spearing play than Allen. Last he gets stuck in.

Mate, Allen was poor but so was Gerrard so were all of them. Get a grip!

I like spearing. he's a cracking lil player who is not given the credit he deserves in his workrate

Get a grip? Maybe you caught my comments when chatting to collymore last night. He isn't, and will never be, good enough.

That's what they used to say about Lucas mate. He will never make it etc.
Allen needs more than a season to make it at Liverpool. He's still a very young player playing a position that requires experience. Once he has that experience he will be good enough.

MIKEY

Physic red, I think you'r physic powers have deserted you if you think spearing is a cracking lil player. I can't count on one hand players worse than him who have put on the red shirt

Mikey
It didn't take Mascherano time. Same age, same position, cost a little bit more. I just don't beleive in making excuses. You just don't get it in this day and age as a player or a manager.

The Irish Rover

17 Mar 2013 19:18:03
he is till young. needs time. learning.
but these sentiments didn't come anywhere near when we were paying 18 mill.

18 mill are paid to top players.
not ever learning. still young. full potential.

Mascherano and Allen play different positions Irish rover.
Mascherano also played in his prefered position all the time whereas Allen hasn't.
Also mascheranos career was going nowhere at west ham before we gave him a chance and he shone. Why Allen doesn't get that same treatment I don't know. I thought being a supporter was about supporting your own players not slagging them off.
You can't say Allen hasn't put in the effort, it hasn't quite clicked for him yet at Liverpool but that's not down to a lack of talent, not from him anyway. Remember he came here having been used to a different playing style and has had some really good games until he bust his shoulder.
Nobody has seemed to learn to give some players that little bit of extra time to prove themselves. you would think after watching Lucas grow into the player he is today and the fact our anthem is YNWA our "supporters" would be a bit more patient but apparently not.

MIKEY

17 Mar 2013 16:15:09
I simply cannot believe why people hate Allen so much. He is a damn good player when fit, and considering he needs shoulder surgery, he still puts in a decent shift. Yes, BR was wrong to put him on the pitch in the first place, but venting your frustration in one player's direction is simply unacceptable. i'm pretty sure we will see a fitter and more consistent Allen next season. The lad just needs some time.

Wich manager will make a desition on makin a half injured player start a critical game, after having a progres of Gud runs and denting it wif a desition like this, bloody stick wif the same formation, only dumpbed like Rodger would do mistakes like this, how I wish having Benitez in our bench.

Its because he is dreadful and is only at Liverpool because he played under rodgers at Swansea.

I think the word hate is a bit strong, facts are Allen hasn't been good enough for some months now and there are better alternatives to start.

I think that's the jist of the matter people are trying to get across

17 Mar 2013 16:14:43
hi eds

question for eds r anyone that can answer in the mirrior today they r reporting that we have 20m to spend on players in the summer. now i'm not yapping about the lack of money to spend but how does papers get this information r is it leaked on purpose so there's no let down in the summer. {Ed002's Note - It will likely be speculation.}

Well they spent 20 in jan I expect it will be more in summer, plus sales so I think it will be ok if we can get players out the doors quickly, if not then we could have a problem.

17 Mar 2013 16:05:02
Eds do you think that lovren, de vrij, iturra, biglia gameiro are good enough for Liverpool? {Ed002's Note - A hopeless question, sorry.}

What you need to ask is, are Liverpool good enough for them?

17 Mar 2013 15:36:03
what makes me laugh here is that after loosing 1 game people came on here, moan, groan and talking about different players as our savior such as isco, martens. etc

seems like one of these players could change the total game for us! quite funny tbh.

now what will people say about isco today when he played for malaga and they still loose to espanyol 2-0 at home. He is a rubbish! right!

you guys need to realize that football isn't 1 man show. Even a shear genius like messi needs support like iniesta, xavi, busquets. its a team game and understanding each others ability. you need a proper system and at least 16/17 players to adapt at that system and perform quite consistently. It needs time.
this 1st year is a learning curve for the players and the coaching stuffs. rodgers needs to realize his players properly and think which players aren't suitable for his system. Then he needs to minus those and bring in players who can adapt his system. this process has already started and hasn't finished yet!
the club is in debt and we can't make another mistake like the carroll one. we need to bring players with higher tenacity and quality along with great resale value.
The next season will be the biggest test for Liverpool, for rodgers and for the players. As a club how much we can progress it will be a benchmark for the owners and fans! no doubt.

17 Mar 2013 16:07:49
Collins mate what if Rodgers next season be the same what will you say?

So if you change a manager and it still becomes the same than what will you do? again starting from the beginning and no result. than sack the manager again and bring the new one?

thats the difference between chelsea and manchester united, you know!

17 Mar 2013 19:20:12
collins.
you now what's the similarities between chelsea and man utd.
they cannot afford defaete and excuses.
and they fight for trophies year in year out.

17 Mar 2013 15:30:16
I seem to be the only one saying this but I think we really need to strengthen our midfield, and when I say strengthen, I mean in the literal sense. Gerrard's engine is diminishing and Allen and Henderson are just pants defensively. Against Soton, we played two central midfielders neither whom were defensive minded and it showed as we got outnumnbered and torn apart in the middle of the park with the defence left with no protection.

So my question is, do you see us signing an orthodox defensive midfielder such as Capoue, Diame Fernando etc in the summer?

17 Mar 2013 15:22:11
Sakho, Williams, Zambrano, Iturra, Ben Arfa in

Skrtel, Carra (retired), Coates, Shelvey, Downing, Assaidi, Carroll, Flanagan, Gulacsi, out.

Seems realistic and I reckon that would get us a top four place. Simply cannot afford to lose Luis this summer and let all our good work and progress come undone.

Diami would be ideal

17 Mar 2013 15:16:23
I'm not going to start slating BR but I do question some things with the Liverpool manager. Does anyone else think he feels the need to play Allen because he payed a big fee? I personally would play each and every player on FORM. If your playing well and we win you keep your place.
Now Sturridge had what I'd call an average game against Spurs. I would have dropped him and played Suarez upfront with Coutinho and Downing like we've previously done.
Allen has been poor all season and Lucas hasn't put a foot wrong in the last few games. So he should never be dropped you must play your strongest team!

Allen didn't have the best game. It is a confidence thing. Downing, Lucas, Hendo, Enrique etc etc all had issues, but have then played well.

Everything could have been different for allen yesterday. If you remember that pass to suarez that alsomst set him free on the right, it was exceptional. took the entire Southhampton defence out of it. Suarez was then called back for a foul (a ridiculous and incorrect decision). Suarez would have scored from that, the result would have been different, Allen would have gotten that confidence and played much better and BR would be a genius for playing him.

I feel he need time and support, and he will be a great player. We should give it to him.

17 Mar 2013 16:14:26
Mate Allen has been poor for long time, if you see stats we have won more games without Allen starting and have lose/draw more games when Allen starting.

Lol stats over what 20 games? that is rather inconclusive

Allen has been poor all season he's not strong enuff on the ball some of his passg is dreadful I think rodgers plays him because he cost so much

17 Mar 2013 14:50:28
Hi eds in my opinion we need to get rid of henderson coates jones allen borini shelvey and carroll. Defensively we have been very poor when we concede its usually two or three goals. coutinho has been an excellent buy downing is finally the player we wanted who out of these players would u keep

Keep Henderson and jones is fine to back up reina.

I think it's too early to start thinking of moving Shelvey on. People don't seem to realise just how young he is- he has only just turned 21- and when you consider some of the performances we've got out of him to date, I think that speaks volumes. Granted he's not been very good of late but I think it would be very rash to give up on him

17 Mar 2013 14:32:23
heres the deal for me, until we get rid of Skyrtle, agger and Johnson from defence then we will always leak goals, they are poor full stop.
Im still a beleiver agger should be moved to def mid, GJ is to hit and miss and should be moved on, Skyrtle just poor.

Allen instead of Lucas? Not for me at present i'm afraid as Allen has been gash for awhile now, Lucas at 70% is still better so he should have started.

We need to buy a midfielde who can boss the middle, we are lacking in this dept have been all season,

A winger who can beat his man and has end product is a must, another CF would be good also, but one who can score and is not wasteful in my mind.

The manager needs to wake up and address these problems asap, also he needs to be more savvy tactically and with subs.

Although I liked the thought of BR at first i'm now starting to think he's a few seasons short of footballing nouse for a team of LFCs stature.

I admit the squad just isn't good enough and quite a few need to be moved on again and some youngsters loaned out and given a chance.

I will always support my beloved LFC but their is only so much garbage and excuses supporters can take in a season, we've had over 20 seasons now and its still nowhere near right.

Im just Joe average but I can see were the flaws are, i'm sure many of you lot can, so why o why does the inconsistency and poor decisions haunt us week in week out, season in and season out?

Im now of the opinion I could do a better job running the playing staff, and i'm serious as the current personell ain't so hot, and the boos yesterday were well deserved for a dismal lacklustre performance by many if not all.

Scouse Red

Agger can't use his right foot? Don't think that's a particularly good thing at def mid, do you?
Glen Johnson is an excellent attacking fullback, the best in the league in my opinion.
Any defender don't care who they are would struggle with a non existent midfield in front of them, nothing wrong with our midfielders just the set up was wrong? We ended up hitting long hopeful balls up to a front 4? The whole thing was shambolic and all down to inept tactical team selection on the day.

GJ is ok at attacking ill give you that, he's just hopeless at defending mate and if you can't see that then your blind.

Midfield been wrong ages

17 Mar 2013 14:31:02
Cheer up lads. It's Paddy's Day!
Cheers,
LS7.

Not the saints again

Oh how I wish you had left your name haha! Good one no name!
Cheers,
LS7.

17 Mar 2013 14:16:11
it was the first 10 games or so that wrecked our season. just couldn't recover from it. great signings in jan. a few more in the summer and we are on the way. just hope suarez gives us one more season to get into cl. not sure about allen, haven't ever seen honda in a full game. looks like we will have to get in a few center halfs. br honeymoon period over now, next season he will be judged on performances and league position. I am hopeful, but you have to be as a Liverpool fan. coutinho looks a steel, 8 million, bloody hell, there is value out there.

B O H

I expect 10 players to leave permanently or on loan, with 4 quality additions in addition to our impressive crop of young players I really think we can challenge for top 4 under BR and FSG next season - we are still a work in progress.

17 Mar 2013 14:09:54
Had the mancs performed like us yesterday especially in the 1st half, fergie would have got a response in the 2nd half, however our response was neither here or there which suggests to me that Rodgers is not the man.

alan50

And where were you when we won 4 back to back wins?! Class 1 clueless nimrod!

Then who is Alan? It's been like that for a while, the problem spans several managers reins.

MIKEY

Singred, you obviously don't the point, I am NOT talking about us winning, I am talking about the manager getting a response from a disgraceful 1st half performance yesterday, which he did not get.

I suggest your the one that's clueless

alan50

I agree Mikey, but I don't know who, but some performances this season have been terrible, yet Rodgers comes out and says the same thing all the time, we need someone more stronger, someone who will demand a level of performance and who will get a reaction after poor performances.

I initially was made up with Rodgers appointment, however I now think the job is too big for him, he has made some good signings with the likes of Sturridge, Courtinho, and at the start of the season I thought Joe Allen was really good and I quite like Assiadi.

I still think the likes of Johnson, Agger, Skyrtle, Shelvey, Sterling, Henderson, Borini, and Jones need to be moved on, clearly Rodgers has a big job to do, but don't think he is the man to do it

alan50

Nimrod (alan)

The manager made changes - the 2nd half was better when Lucas came on, but they just couldn't deliver against a boiterous Saints who wanted it more.

Saints are no mugs; they turned Citeh over 3-1 as well. Just accept that they were the better team on the day, and stop pining every loss on the manager. At this rate, we'll have a new gaffer every 3 mths! Do you want us to do a Reading?

Singred, As you say the saints WANTED it more and you say accept it, sorry have I missed something here, I thought we were trying to get 4th place or at least a Europa cup place, so you see it is WE that should have wanted it more, which means that either Rodgers can't motivate the players or the players don't want to do it for the Manager.

alan50

17 Mar 2013 17:07:35
Alan50

Do you think everytime a game is lost, it's because the manager failed to raise the players?

Just seems like a comment without substance, not unlike this page after a defeat!

No I don't Welshboydave, however if the manager can't get a much better response in the 2nd half, or the players couldn't raise their game, then something is wrong.

It's not like we played well and got beat, or we played with passion and determination to win the game or indeed we didn't have anything to play for, as I said earlier, Fergie WOULD have got a reaction without doubt, that's the difference between success and failure

alan50

Dont agree with most of your post but the fact you said move Sterling on made me laugh, one of the most promising young players in the league and you don't want him, I understand why people would say maybe get rid of hendo or shelvey even though I like them, but Sterling ha! what a dafty

Dont agree with most of your post but the fact you said move Sterling on made me laugh, one of the most promising young players in the league and you don't want him, I understand why people would say maybe get rid of hendo or shelvey even though I like them, but Sterling ha! what a dafty

We will see nameless post

alan50

Alan50, you are such a down day snipper. I do not disagree that we should have responded better in the second half however your inability to balance arguments or reviews on performance looses credibility in my eyes. We have had some poor performances and we have had some excellent perfromances. BR has made some mistakes and he has made some great decisions. Not just BR mistakes and not just poor performances. You may actually enjoy being a Liverpool supporter if you look at the positives as well.

Andy K

17 Mar 2013 14:08:13
Maybe Brenden should give wisdom and Coates a go at the back from now till the end of season, we have nothing to lose.

Also might as well give Henderson an extended run in place of Downing.

All we are learning at the moment is our side is still not strong/good enough and has a long way to go before we can compete for European places.

Any side can beat us with our inconstancy, so he should use the remaining games to see which players are good enough to stay.

I think we should sell Allen in the summer as he isn't good enough in MF, Lucas is clearly going to be a starter

17 Mar 2013 16:44:52
You think we should sell Alen just as everyone wanted Carrol sold. Mate no one will buy these flops for anything reasonable. We are stuck with them and we will burn for it. Our owners need to wake up and show some balls over their investment. Daniel Levy won't allow this nonsense at Spurs. Only at LFC does this rubbish continue to happen. No other top team would have sanctioned the signing of Allen, Borini and Assaidi bar LFC. The manager should just manage and let owners do the deals.

Anderson, Dede?

Andy K

17 Mar 2013 13:06:14
First time posting and not really a rumour. Just wondering if you know which countries our scouting network might be looking at? Just thinking that Belgium seems a real up and coming force with Kompany, Hazard, Benteke, Fellaini, and more! We could do worse than look there. If so, are there any current Belgian players we should definitely look at?

Thanks {Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work like that.}

17 Mar 2013 13:02:36
I posted yesterday saying it was a bad team performance and that we win together, draw together, lose together. Some anonymous poster basically said I was wrong in not blaming Rodgers. Some people need to understand that football is a team game. It's all about having a strong squad. His selection should not make a difference on the team performance. Lucas and Carragher have been playing so many matches lately. They are going to need a rest sooner or later. Carragher is 35 years old and he can't play as many successive games as he used too. Lucas has been out injured for a while, so he also needed a rest sooner or later. Rodgers wanted us to control the game and have plenty of possession, which is why Allen was starting. Many will say Henderson should have started but how do you know he would have played well? Rodgers put out a team which he thought could win the game, it's not his fault the players performed below expectations. As I said it was a bad team performance. Rodgers expects his team to perform, regardless of who is playing. They are playing for Liverpool Football Club, so whoever Rodgers picks, should be able to go out and perform. Like I said win together, draw together, lose together.
Cheers,
LS7.

I'm really enjoying your posts LS7, everyone is so quick to gun BR, he was let down by his players as a collective yesterday. On paper our team should have had more than enough to put the Saints away - it's always difficult when you concede early and nobody has mentioned we had the ball in the back of the net twice ruled out for offside and the ridiculous offside given against LS7. The margins are small at the top level, a mistake high up the field can cost you a goal ten seconds later, yeah we weren't good but BR is doing great work in terms of reducing our wage bill and developing the youth whilst still trying to shape the squad to his specification. Perspective is needed not knee-jerk reactions.

Agreed. The team he put out should have beaten Southhampton. It is down to a lack of effort by the players that lost that game.

However, lucas or henderson should have started instead of Allen. I have nothing against him, but he is carrying an injury and it was always going to be a physical match. I can prob understand why BR did it, but he was wrong and I bet he would be the first to admit it today.

Anyway, let's keep plugging away and hope 6th gets us Europa League.

Daveevad

Good honest posts and I do agree on some points.
My point is we do have a squad that we can utilise to combat the opposition strengths? We actually employ a guy, who's job it is to analyse the opposition in the weeks leading up to playing them.
Every man and his dog knows that Southampton play the ball forward quickly using Lambert as the point of attack and support him quickly from the midfield and in doing so are inclined to leave themselves open at the back (hence their league position)
The set up of the team was all wrong from the start and just changing Allen for Lucas (like for like) and continuing with the same formation did nothing?
Henderson should have been introduced immediately it was apparent we were getting overun in the midfield after the 1st goal.
There was an instance in the 1st half were Allen won the ball tried to retain possesion was surround by 4 Southampton players and dispossesed with not a Liverpool player in sight? We had 4 of them standing upfront watching, that's what you get playing 4 forwards away from home.
Numerous occasions Enrique in particular had no one to pass to and hoofed it down the park.
We actually with a bit of luck did well to come away with just a 3-1 defeat.
The players and supporters were let down by bad team management on the day.
Notice I said on the day, as there's been other days were the Management of the team excelled.

Sorry I forgot, I do agree that goals change games and either put you on the front or back foot.
Your probaby right in that if we had scored first it would have been a totally different game as gaps would have appeared everywhere with them chasing the game and the team selection as at Wigan would have been spot on.
The linesman had a bad game as well.
It just drive me nuts, cause I think were not a million miles away from being a really good side.

I'm not posting this after just one defeat. The league table and the fact that we were turfed out of all the cups by inferior opposition tells you all you need to know.

Rodgers is tactically inept and can't even learn from his mistakes. He is not up to the job and I don't think he ever will be. People talk about Kenny's signings but Rodgers has wasted £40 million on Borini, Allen and Sturridge.

As soon as the team was named for the Spurs game, I knew we would struggle in midfield. Ok, he may have addressed the matter at half time, but didn't that occur to him when he was thinking about the line up? Then, away from home at a side that everyone knew would press and hound in midfield, he did it again. Why? To accommodate Sturridge. Rodgers is like a Sunday League amateur manager, who plays the new signing no matter what. In a game like yesterdays, Suarez should have been the lone striker. Lucas, Gerrard and Henderson should have been the 3 central midfielders, with Downing and Coutinho playing wide, getting forward and bolstering the midfield when we lose possession. Sturridge should have been on the bench to add impetus later on, if needed. It's not just me who knows that, lots of people know it, so why not Rodgers?

Even worse, top players like Suarez will know it too and it will hardly inspire him to stick around under such an incompetent Manager. As for the back 4, the same players who were one of the best defensive units in the league last season, now struggle against almost anyone. What's changed then? Rodger's tactics, that's what!

Even his use of the youngsters is amateurish. Sterling was run into the ground and now has to be left out altogether. Suso also, after a bit of a dip, hardly gets a look in now when he is playing much better. They don't even get brought on when games are won, to get a bit more experience. As much as I hate to say it, he only had to look 35 miles down the road to see how Ferguson does it.

Despite my reservations about Rodgers, I don't really want Liverpool to become a club that sack Managers on an annual basis, so would give him next season. I really hope he proves me wrong but, if we are still seeing the same tactical errors and uninspiring signings, Christmas might be as far as he gets.

I know this last point will get a lot of abuse, but that might well be the time to restore Rafa. In his last year with us and this year with Chelsea he has been forced to work under almost intolerable conditions. I feel he would work well under FSG, back at his spiritual home. Not only that, I quite liked the club I support playing in Champion's League Finals (not just the groups - the finals!).

redmersey

Bring back Houllier, no bring back Evans sorry I mean bring back Souness! You're on a different planet if you think Rafa would work well with FSG - Fact!

I respect your opinion redmersey. But seriously? We finished 8th last year. We currently sit 7th in the Premier League, which is progress. 40m wasted on Sturridge, Allen and Borini? Seriously? Allen carried us through the first 3 months and is still learning. Borini has been injured most of the season. But Sturridge? Come on mate everyone can see the talent this guy has got and for 12m was a bargain rather than a waste! The problem wasn't the team we played it was how the players performed. The defence may be weaker than last year but that's just the way we play now. We play great attacking football and take a risk defensively. Rodgers needed the youngsters at the start of the season to add more quality. We have that quality now so they can be given a rest. We have a far better team than last year and Rodgers is bringing out the best in players. Since you brought up Ferguson here is his attitude towards the game-Its not about how many you concede, its about scoring more than your opponent. We have scored on a more consistent basis this season than last. We are improving. Look at where we were at the start of the season. Winning 1 then losing/drawing then next 3/4. Now we are winning 3/4 games then losing/drawing. We may be inconsistent but we are improving. I respect your opinion redmersey and this is mine. Cheers mate.
LS7.

Who mentioned Houllier, Evans or Souness? It's you who is on a different planet mate if you'd rather watch mid table mediocrity than games against the European elite in the latter stages of the Champions League.

Why wouldn't Rafa work with FSG? If they are as good owners as every one says, they should support Rafa, a Manager who can actually evaluate a player and stand comparison tactically with anyone in Europe. He put his job on the line by speaking out about what Hicks and Gillet were doing. He deserves the chance to finish the job under supportive ownership.

redmersey

I would rather get a couple of quicker central defenders and carry on with taking chances and playing attractive attacking football. Man United leak goals, still top though. 3 points for a win renders draws pretty useless in this league.
Copy success and go for it.

I respect your opinion too LS7. After all, that's what football banter is all about. Only time will tell who was right over Sturridge. Like Rodgers, I hope he succeeds, but can see problems further down the line for both of them.

People on here have mentioned many things about Rodgers' tactics but the one I can never forget was the 2 subs against Zenit. I don't think there is another Manager in the world who wouldn't have told them to sit back down once the 3rd goal went in. I'm certain we would have got the 4th goal we needed had he not ploughed ahead with his planned substitutions, as if nothing had happened. The dynamics of the tie changed dramatically with that 3rd goal but it never even registered with him. The momentum, and the tie, was lost at that moment. That kind of stuff worries me and casts doubt on his credentials in my opinion.

As for progress, we may sit one place ahead of last year. We could improve on that or could even drop lower. But you haven't mentioned the trophy we won and the FA Cup final we played in and could easily have won. Hardly much progress there, is there?

As I said, only time will tell. I truthfully hope I am wrong, as I desperately want Liverpool to be competing at the top again. Thanks for offering your opinion, I do take on board what you said, even if I'm not sure about all of it.

redmersey

You said it redmersey that's what banter is all about! Its also an opinions game and everybody has a different opinion. One thing is for sure though is that its all because of the love we share for this wonderful club! I personally think Sturridge is becoming a success already and will only get better. Yes Rodgers has got it wrong on a couple of occassions this season but I think he has got it right most of the time in my opinion. I personally would rather a higher finish in the league than a once off cup run. Hopefully in the near future we can collect a top 4 spot and a cup! I just wonder where we would be if we didn't have such a bad start to the season. I hope Rodgers proves me right because I think he will become a top manager, hopefully at Liverpool. Cheers redmersey its been great banter!
Cheers,
LS7.

What planet are you on kidmillions?

Everyman and his dog? Try and find out how Saints play now under their new manager and THEN comment-you obviously don't have a clue, but then your team and manager did not seem to have done their homework either.

17 Mar 2013 12:59:09
Have a feeling Brendan Rodgers under-estimates the effect Lucas has in the starting XI - obviously I don't know whether he had a little knock or whether he was a little tired - but without him we defensively aren't as strong. He didn't play against Zenit first leg - we lost that game. + it didn't help he played 2 midfielders

Reports suggesting Everton also in for Honda, has he stated a preference for who he would like to play for?

Since Sami Hyypia is manager of B. Leverkusen, do you think we have any advantage in terms of possibly getting Schurrle/Kiebling?

{Ed002's Note - Since Rodgers is the manager does that give Swansea and advantage in signing Suarez and Gerrard?}

17 Mar 2013 12:25:11
Its all well blaming BR lads and I agree lucas should have started but our defense has been our biggest downfall all season and IMO get off to lightly. Sktrl was poor and looks as if his head is elsewhere and agger alarmingly is making too many mistakes. However johnson was dreadful amd baffles me at times. He is outstanding one game and absolutely woeful in another game. I think its because whenhe is under pressure defensively he loses all confidence and his ability for that matter.
Support the team, we grind our teeth. and we move on.

Yesterdays result was very disapointing to say the least I honestly believe rogers gave Allen a start because he is going to miss the rest of the season and this is wrong if he is not fully fit he should never of started he was holding his sholder after ten mins yesterday rogers needs to understand there is no empathy in football it is a results game and performance which there was neither yesterday. Some of the players ie glen johnson martin skirtel dan agger joe allen stuart downing steven gerrard never turned up yesterday the question rogers has to ask is why not! why he he picked the side he did! and would players left out of done better?

I think we are going to miss carra more than we realise mate.
We have looked better at the back with him in it. He's dropped and we fall to pieces.
Skrtle looks finished and it must be effecting agger and the rest.
Never rated Johnson defensively, just above average at defending but great going forward. I'm a bit old fashioned in that I like my right backs to be able to defend. Bit of luck a fully fit Kelly breathing down his neck might push him a bit more.

MIKEY

17 Mar 2013 12:20:10
Wanyama would have owned the midfield. let's buy in a dm that can actually boss a game. Lucas is very good in that position but when he is injured we look vulnerable. We need competition not just cover for his role. Masch was a hard act to follow and Lucas has done well but we had both at one point. that's what we miss. 1 of shelvey, hendo and allen needs go either out on loan or sold. Bring in a DM please for god sake.

Yeah spot on mate. We keep hearing how important a DM is in todays game, especially in the system we play. Yet we only really have Lucas and even though he does well, it's not his natural position.
We need to bring someone in as competition like you say and I would try and either identify someone in the accedemy who we could use as further back up or bring in someone we could train to play this position in the future.
We have some fantastic attacking talent in the accedemy, we need to produce DMs that will grow up with these attackers so they all click together when they get promoted.

MIKEY

17 Mar 2013 12:17:59
Every fan is entitled to their opinion' abuse no'
The problem is that when the team has expectation they fail to perform or grind out a result. We need IMO a leader recruited for back line. Yesterday, Gerrard didn't open his mouth, actually for his whole career he leads from the way he plays. To constantly challenge you need characters who will rally the troops. Look at the mancs, perfect example. They were dreadful yesterday but as usual walk away with 3 points. Its up to the manager to sort out the teams mentality and to sort out the defense now for next season.
I would like to think when kelly retuns to form johnson is dropped to the bench because defensivly he's getting worse. He might be slightly' stronger in attacking but amateur goals are preventing us from pushing us on.

17 Mar 2013 11:51:02
Lads and lasses, I've been one of Bren's biggest critics. Ed's can confirm. However, this season we have seen progress and he's bought himself more time in my opinion.

Start of the season was garbage, no other words for it.
Middle of the season was choppy and inconsistent.
Since Jan we have seen a distinct improvement.
We are building and next season will see a definite challenge for top 4 in my opinion.
Let's not forget, Bren didn't even have a full summer as manager.
I my opinion he's bought more time and we should get behind him.
He can't sign players now, let's see what he can do with a fully prepared summer with a transfer budget.

Search Engine

17 Mar 2013 13:23:23
We have won 9 out of our last 16 Premier League games. That's a win percentage of 56%. Tottenham have a win percentage of 55% for the full season, and they're in third! Yes we lost yesterday, yes we were garbage, and yes it hurts, but it's one loss amongst a quite substantial good run of form. Please don't be so knee-jerk about it. Personally, I believe all the doubters will be pleasantly surprised how we do next season. Keep supporting the team!

17 Mar 2013 13:10:39
Not really Lfc related but in view of our need yesterday to go all out for the 3 points and our abysmal failing.
Arsenals 1st goal yesterday, I stopped the tv and counted they had 6 players in the box looking to score in the 70th minute.
Moments earlier they had 8 players behind the ball defending. "Now that's what I call desire"
Think Wenger has been reading the riot act to their players.
Also think Arsenal will make the top 4 with their renewed team set up and work ethic.
I thought that was going to be us coming good :0 (

Have you tried counting Liverpool players in and around the box when we are in attack looking to get a chance away? It's getting better as the season goes on but it's still awful. 1 or 2 is the norm, 3 max. At the start of the season it was depressing seeing Suarez just outside the box looking for players to pass to and finding nobody.
It's like a lot of our players are just happy to be here, no real fight in them. It's a shame kuyt and Bellamy is gone, they would always put the effort in. That commitment could have inspired some other players to do the same.

MIKEY

You get my point MIKEY.
If you or any of us were a Liverpool player we'd bust a gut to get into the box and support Suarez especially knowing how good he is.
Every player on the pitch at the level we aspire to, should be capable of being a box to box player at the very minimum.

17 Mar 2013 11:50:34
I got to the game yesterday and my thoughts are -
1. Don't know why we started with Lucas on the bench. When he came on 2nd half, we finally started to get some measure of control and exert a bit of pressure.
2. Attitude. It just wasn't there in the 1st half. Particularly Johnno (who had a poor game throughout), Skrtel and Agger. Lambert bossed our two CM, who stood off him too much. 2nd half this was sorted out.
3. People are saying 'we played the long ball too much'. I posted the other day about the weather - windy, heavy slippery pitch. Quite a bit of Southampton's 1st half was long balls up to Lambert. This, with their excellent pressing, forced a lot of long rushed clearances. 2nd half we had to play the conditions with a strong wind in our favour.
4. I thought BR could have been a bit more positive with an earlier use of subs. Downing - fs - the man will try the patience of a saint (no pun intended). The young lad Shaw showed him up, much more positive.
Hey ho.
A very wet Liverpool fan

Unbelievable Lucas not starting. Allen once again was awful. Interesting BR saying that we only started playing when we were 2-0 down, we started playing when Allen was replaced. Sturridge also had a poor game.
Southampton played like it was a derby game for them and deserved their victory.
When is BR going to realise that he is hindering Hendo's development by persisting with a player who is not good enough for this club
G

17 Mar 2013 11:46:58
To be honest I had almost predicted a loss yesterday. It was typical Liverpool inconsistency striking at a predictable time.

Something didn't feel right about the game, I forecast a disaster. Half of this was probabply dowwn to some overenthusiastic fans predicting 5-0 scorelines. We were away, to a team who are known for quirky results, play good football and have some good players. It was on the cards. Ijust felt that this was the point in our recent run of form when we cock up.

I don't feel its entirely faiir to blame the manager and pretend that it was all his fault.

I for one would have dropped lucas for this match, ifeel he needed a rest after an average performance agaiinst spurs. I would have replaced him with henderson rather than allen though.

I'm still not sure why people continue to slate allen. He was brilliant at the start of the season, we have seen how good he can be. And then half of you started complaining about his crab passing, which was completely unneccasary and blew his confidence out of the water. Now you continue to shout at him when he plays badly as if it will make him any better. If you stop rripping into him then he will get better. In the meantime praise him or shut the hell up.

Anonymous woolback

17 Mar 2013 13:26:04
If you predicted an away loss to a Relegation battle side.
we Liverpool fc will never be in Top 4.
yes they have quality players and they will score.
but we should also score.
these are the games which determines how good you have come.

I thought we would stick to the same winning team against wigan.

3 man in midfield. to win the early possession.
one countinho or sterling brilliance.
and suarez could score goals from anywhere.

horrible team selection.

a man who sold players. bought player for 4-3-3
has dropped to 4-4-2 to accomodate sturridge is beyond me.

how on earth does a passing game side wins with 2 midfielders. ?

We lost the midfield. we lost the game. its that simple, in fact, we lost the midfield, because we were one man short, and were just out passed.
redforever

17 Mar 2013 11:44:44
So going by various reports, the manager has £20m+sales to spend this summer. skertel, coates, assaidi, Carroll, downing all look like they'll be moved on, although assaidi in my opinion hasn't been given a chance. two new central defenders are all must, as we are awful at the back. there can be no margin for error, we have to get the center back signings absolutely right. It would be great to see xabi alonso back in our midfield, the guy loves Liverpool, and how we've missed him, unlikely it will happen though. the manager needs another transfer Window to shape the team, but if he gets his signings wrong I doubt he'll last the season.

17 Mar 2013 11:42:12
I think in Brad Jones we have possibly the worst keeper in the premier league. He's mid table championship at best.
I don't know why Pepe Reina is not playing at the moment but he would not have conceded the 2nd or 3rd goals.
Joe Allen? Give him the rest of the season off, get him in the gym and see what he can do next season.

Challenge now is to finish above Everton. I hope Wigan wins the FA cup, we could do without the distraction of Europa next season with all the Thursday-Sunday nonsense.

The Search Engine

17 Mar 2013 13:27:52
apart from suarez and gerrard.
who else actually deserve the salary check week in week out at Liverpool fc?

suarez. and gerrard are the only players who has played for our shirt this seaosn.
both wanted to win. and win and win. and they give all their 90 mts.

To the second poster, quite often on this site I read many posts saying no one is bigger than the club and all that, your post just proves the point that certain players are judged differently to the rest. In regards to Gerrard, the fact is that up until 4 - 6 weeks before christmas, he was as ordinary as he was yesterday. Yet because of who he is, these things get overlooked by the majority of people here. If you were to judge Gerrard honestly and fairly you would know this is true.

17 Mar 2013 14:25:45
brisbane LFC.

You are reading a wrong script.
gerrard is the symbol of Liverpool FC. a captian. home town boy. and a fantastic player.
he is not earning 250+ week. which some ordinary players are earning wth some top clubs.

If gerrard decided to move tom. there will be a long listing of clubs having some professoinal experienced magaers wanting to sign him.

Don't know if Reina would have done any better than Brad yesterday. The defense didn't do their jobs and was going to make it harder for any keeper. Brad saved a few of the Saints chances and perhaps saved us from a more embarrassing result. I agree that Brad isn't prem quality. I'm worried honestly every time I see him selected. He strikes me as awkward and not very coordinated, also lacking the necessary agility and reactions of "top" keepers. Saying that, he has seemed to improve dealing with crosses and his shot handling this season. Pepe was missed no doubt, but he wasn't going to save us yesterday.

17 Mar 2013 11:36:18
Ed, like to apologise for earlier, my banter did appear!
Davo - Spurs

17 Mar 2013 11:24:43
Are we interested in bringing back alonso would love him back fans favourite he is much better than sideways Allen

Red mick

17 Mar 2013 11:03:39
Can anyone in the know tell me, apart from Rodgers who else was in the mix for the manager's job after Kenny? I'm keen to know if the shortlist included any accomplished candidates with a proven track record of success in a major European league. I'm increasingly at a loss to understand why Rodgers got the nod given that he has not achieved anything at the top level. {Ed002's Note - Martinez.}

Loose 1 game an u get the likes of this pathetic post. Get behind the bloody team will ye good job us proper born an bread scousers will support and get behind the team no matter what happens red till dead 24 7. Lfc fazak post plse eds u havnt put my posts on lately thanks

Give me a break, the players were still shocking even if BR picked the side.

17 Mar 2013 11:02:20
I thought the plan and philosophy of our team was to mark the opposition players and regain possession within 30 sec. Lately the give the opponent too much time to go forward, to make crosses or to take shot against our goal. I do not understand why they do not challenge the opposition players high up the pitch and close them down. Is it laziness or lack of concentration?

alex 7777

17 Mar 2013 10:55:41
think we have a problem now we have both sturridge and suarez. rodge has had to drop his favored 433 in order to accomodate them both. hopefully bren will return to 433 as we are far more solid in that set up and find a way to accomodate suarez and sturridge within it. either that or drop sturridge unless he gets his finger out,

rodges brain

17 Mar 2013 13:20:51
I have been saying this from 48 hours.
people here disagree coz. they want to see stars playing. none is concerned with Liverpool fc.
on current form. I would drop sturridge especially away games and put another atatcker in the team. who can wi the ball and supply some good ball to suarez. who will score.

harry scousser
ynwa

17 Mar 2013 10:47:21
Really dissapointing to watch yesterday.
Two of those goals could easily have been avoided yesterday. The wall for the free kick was a joke, stand your ground at least and don't split, school boy error.
The third goal was so poor as well. Rodriguez didn't really do much with the ball just wondered through us, he should have been hassled/challenged a lot more.
My main point though, why not start with Lucas? Why change a winning side, especially if Allen is carrying a knock?

PaulyH

Rodgers says Lucas wasn't fit either.

17 Mar 2013 13:22:22
BR. most of the games whole seaosn. doesn't have any clue on the starting formation.

if you go back and check the games. only 10% of games have been changed or won due to his tactice.

luis suarez has scored goals from no where. and that's the bottom line.

17 Mar 2013 12:12:17
Lucas had a niggle and Rodgers didn't want to use him. Being 2-1 down at half time with Allen under performing left him no choice.

Lad lucas was also carrying a knock as well, still a poor result but we can expect a strong response against villa in a fortnight.
derryred

To the 3rd poster that is just BS in saying Brendan has not had a hand in winning matches with his tactics. If what you are saying is true why keep a manager just turn the players loose in the pitch and hope for a bit of magic from one of them and win the match.

Havoc's Call

17 Mar 2013 10:37:00
Ed any rumours on when plans for the redevelopment work are likeley to be submitted? there seems to be lots of work going on near the ground but all gone a bit quiet recently.
Personnely after the last accounts were released bringing the debt down a bit ( which I think they are ) before commiting to starting the work is quite likely, so not expecting work to start soon. It would be nice to get the pans passed though, and to see the ideas. {Ed002's Note - Soon.}

Cheers Ed, guessed you would like a break from the posts about yesterday Lol.

17 Mar 2013 10:21:36
35 mil for Andy Carroll. Sorry, still can't get over that one.

Just try to think about 50 million for Torres.

Or Suarez and Carroll for Torres and Babb

Move on skipper

17 Mar 2013 13:30:07
to the second poster.
how does our purchases changes if cheslea bought torres for 50 mill?

you don't have any clue.

y does fans here complain about other clubs purchases when our are actually stupid?

12 months. what on earth did borini and allen deserve to get their salary?

How about 15 million for Allen plus a 2.5 million signing on fee. How about 10 million for Borini who has not even had a shot on goal for over a year.

17 Mar 2013 10:19:48
Trouble is, this latest capitulation is/was not a one-off Brendan. It happens everytime we come up against a side who up the physical ante, everytime we introduce a modicum of pressure and expectation, and everytime you decide to not pick your best team in order to prove a point about players we all know aren't up to it.
We all knew Soton would press and make things physical, so why drop Lucas for a player who has never, at any point shown he can handle these games, and who is injured?
As for Skrtel, get rid and get Sama in - at least he owns a pair.
Mid-table mentality, mid -table mediocrity.

I didn't think that Southampton bullied us in midfield, they played right through us. I thought Southampton played great stuff - we were second best for most of the match and it really could have been a much worse score line. It seemed a mixture of wrong tactics, wrong personnel, and the players seemed to have lead in their boots. Even Suarez seemed slow. No idea why the players seemed slow from about the third minute, but we simply got bossed. I remember Southampton used to be our bogey team when they were in the prem a while back, and they took us apart again. Am gutted - another step backwards after a few forwards. Again!

17 Mar 2013 12:13:57
Why the hell don't people like you read before posting?

LUCAS WASN'T 100% FIT.

Hardly Rodgers fault.

17 Mar 2013 14:21:32
if lucas wasnt fit. does that mean u play with 2 in midfield.
y don't gerrard allen and hendo. played?

Brother. its not the case who was unfit.
its the formaton that spoiled.
we need 3 midfield players. no matter who plays.

17 Mar 2013 14:52:43
Brother, we very rarely had 3 midfielders last season and managed to win some games.

I agree that we lost the midfield battle with 2 players, especially considering Gerrard isn't very mobile anymore.

But hindsight is a great asset. One the manager doesn't have unfortunately.

Well if Lucas is not 100% fit what percentage is a guy needeing a shoulder op that will keep him out for 3 months?!

Rodgers messed it up yesterday both tactically and with his selection.

Davey

17 Mar 2013 17:11:26
Lucas could have quite easily aggrevated his injury yesterday and been out for months, why is it so hard to accept B. R didn't want to risk it? (Until he had no choice?)

17 Mar 2013 17:22:40
And Davey, I guess the medical staff and manager knew more about the fitness levels of the players than us, and made an informed opinion.

If people are looking for a knee jerk reaction to a loss, and looking to point fingers and assign blame, fair enough. that's their perogotive.

One of our top stars wasn't deemed fit enough to start yesterday, probably advice given to him by club physios.

Choose to accept this information or not, but according to the club it's true, so i'm rather inclined to believe that, rather than follow the herd and blame Rodgers for not wanting to risk a player who's suffered 2 big injurys in 12 months!

If Lucas hobbled off after 4 minutes and played no further part in the game, that would have a detrimental effect to our season and the amount of points we accumulate (See Lucas stats in/out of the side).


The club obviously didn't think Allen had much chance of making his injury worse, something they obviously couldn't say for certain about Lucas.

Disagree all you like, but i'd sooner lose a game than have Lucas suffer another injury through mis-managment and watch us drop down the table again!

Think long term with regards to injurys. And remember the people making these decisions went through Medical School, they are no muppets.

I think most fans are upset about losing the midfield so early, so easily, its not all about whether Lucas played, its that we had NOTHING in midfield, and with Carra not playing, we def needed a stronger midfield, Like Tommo would say, Stevie Wonder could see that, I will say it again, it was the 83 mins before Hendo came on,
redforever

17 Mar 2013 09:44:53
I don't agree with the constant abuse of individual players and the Manager if a result doesn't go our way.
Get rid of that player, sack the manager are all knee jerk over the top reactions imo.
It's ok to criticise and yesterdays performance warranted criticism but let's keep it constructive.
Rodgers got the team set up drastically wrong in my opinion yesterday and we paid the price.
But he has earnt some leeway as of the times this season he's got it sensationally right, the same applies to the players.
We have to lay off the over the top abuse and accept we are not the finished article, it's this sort of reaction that is conspiring to make us a laughing stock.
We are improving but we do need another 3 or 4 quality additions to the squad this Summer so as to make the next step.

Great post as always kidmillions. Only thing I disagree with is about Rodgers getting it drastically wrong because I feel whoever he selects should be up to do the job and give it their all. After all they are Liverpool players. Not saying he got it spot on because he clearly didn't but his selection wasn't as bad as some people are making it out to be on this site. Don't expect people to listen though mate, I said something similar after the West Brom game and got nothing but abuse for it. But I'm with you mate, great post!
Cheers,
LS7.

17 Mar 2013 13:33:01
kid millions.

3-4 quality additions.
how man more dude? how much actually we need.
every window. we pleed for 2-3.
are the owners nuts?
we buy. and sell in next window. we buy again and sell in next window.

can u guarantee we will be in top 4 next season?

how many did spurs bought and look where they are.

17 Mar 2013 12:15:17
Agree, nobody came out of the game yesterday looking good, but let's keep the criticism fair to the players and manager.

LS7: We know the feeling, it's been an up and down Season for many teams not just us.
Arsenal in particular have had a couple of hidings, not to mention Chelsea.

17 Mar 2013 09:39:23
Good luck Wilson and Ngoo this afternoon.

17 Mar 2013 09:38:27
Re BR's interview. Point to note.

If Southampton are a good side in his opinion, then he is out of touch with where LFC should be. Southampton are not a good side, their position in the league tells you that. If we are supposedly making progress and have plans for top 4, then we should have beaten them, no excuses. There have been too many examples such as this in this current season and I fail to see meaningful progress over last season. In fact, you could easily argue that the team has at best stayed stagnant if not further fallen behind if you look at general performances, league position and performance in all cup competitions.

It breaks my heart to see where LFC are today compared to where we were, especially when you consider the funds that have been spent on by and large average players.

We are no where near where we were 5 years ago in terms of playing staff or performances. We do not instill fear in teams now and in some of the players, we have clearly gone down several notches in terms of quality.


15m for Joe Allen, unbelievable buy when you consider what we have seen this year. By way of further example, Lucas was considered sub standard when he first joined the club and was fighting for a place alongside a prime Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, yet now it is clear that he is head and shoulders above anyone else in the squad in the holding position. That's how poor we have become. Name me anyone other than Suarez or perhaps Gerrard (on reputation mostly) who would currently get into any of the top 4's first team? I honestly struggle to see anyone else. I think that says it all.

I said it at the beginning and I'll say it now, BR was never going to be able to deliver success for LFC. He did not have the track record or experience, but he was the cheaper option for the owners who wanted to try someting different and who couldn't attract proven quality (it was an open secret that they really wanted Jurgen Klopp as an example). By the way, I am not blaming the owners, they saved our club and have clearly put massive sums into the club in general, but I hope they see that if this strategy continues then the club will continue to be a mid table participant only and as such will continue to lose global following and marketing income. They will not seriously challenge for titles or for the highest level European competitions.

I predict that BR will be given more time (it is probably a fair argument that he should because it is unlikely that we could fund or attract someone like Mourinho etc), but I refuse to accept that what we are seeing is meaningful progress and clear justification of his investment choices and playing style.

I also predict that we will be in a very similar position league wise next season and that as a result a further change in management will then be seen due to the lack of progress will be clear for all to see. It will probably be welcome Martinez at that time, and away we go again - going nowhere!

It's not what I want to see, I just see it as obvious unless things change. I wonder if the owners understand that there is not just the NY Yankees out there as serious compeition, but that in our game there are many many NY Yankees which you have to overcome and compete with in terms of playing staff and support?


Just one further thing, whether you like it or not global success driven by European competition is a minimum requirement if you want to survive at the top table. We are unlikely to even get Uefa Cup this season, and that compeition is not really taken seriously by the big teams or the big players. So, where do you think our inability to even qualify for that will take us, further forward!

ConnorsLFC

You will get plenty of Agrees as you've elected to post your insightful ramblings after a defeat, I suppose that's what your really looking for.

17 Mar 2013 13:37:10
Kid millions.
no mate. I won't look into the whole post.
but 18 mill on allen and 11 mill on borini. is awful.

look dembele. what a player for 15 mill.
he can keep both allen in his pocket.

Kidmillions, my post was not after one defeat, but it has been shown as correct this season. I have said all along after numerous defeats, poor performances and very questionnable transfers this season, that the appointment of someone as inexperienced and unproven was a mistake, and I retain that opinion.

ConnorsLFC

So if a top 4 team shouldn't ever lose to Southampton then why are Man City second? The fact that you fail to see meaningful progress does not mean that it is not there. We tend to only see what we want to see, and that goes for the Pro-BR people like myself too.

Andy K

17 Mar 2013 09:34:20
Where is the progress? Please someone quantify it. Last season we had a team that made it to 2 cup finals and tasted success in 1. A platform to build on but FSG thought different and we are now in a situation where BR seems to have made an art of football spin to cover up his own inadequacies.

We've been knocked out of the cups. one by Oldham! His tactical ability is very questionable where the team is not played to its strengths or to combat the oppositions strengths. This includes the persistence in playing Allen who is clearly not good enough. The coaching staff look inept and clueless. We have conceded 3 goals to WBA, Stoke, Aston Villa, Southampton, Swansea. These are not blips but causes for concern. BR has gone to great lengths to say that we are now in the business part of the season (I don't quite get that!). I don't think Manchester United take that approach and maybe that's why they are 29 points ahead of us. they obviously regard EVERY game important!


BR will never get LFC into the top 4 let alone challenging for the title or European honors if he continues as he is. An experienced football head is required at the club to guide the inexperienced man. FSG wake up and smell the coffee.

RedDoc

You mean an experienced head like Woy, that worked out well didn't it, or kenny, just shut up moaning and give the man a chance, it takes time to turn a club around, look at spurs, it took Harry 3 or 4 seasons to get them challenging. Bb

Yes but that's the point. that was Harry. We have Rodgers. hardly a comparison!

Yes but that's the point. that was Harry. We have Rodgers. hardly a comparison!

17 Mar 2013 09:26:20
We all need to wake up and smell the bacon, We are a long way off becoming the side we dream of. Some opinions may blame the Owners, (Not mine), blame the manager (not mine), blame players, (nope). Expectancy of the fans is the reason we are looking for someone to blame. No owner can afford to keep throwing money on managers, backroom staff, players.
Every Southampton player yesterday earned the applause, that their fans bestowed on them. We didn, t start well, defend well or take our chances well. They worked hard, battled hard and achieved the result. The difference between Southampton fans and Liverpool fans is the expectancy. We believe that we are better than them so we expect to beat them.
They had a better goalie. We had players carrying injuries Lucas, Allen, Sturridge. 2 player in important positions who have been out of the side for along time.
Some fans expect the players to perform to a higher standard because they are wearing a Liverpool shirt. We expect Sterling and Suso to come in and out perform seasoned professionals. Every professional footballer is a good footballer and they have worked hard to become a payed footba'ler.
We are a midtable team no more, We are not a strong enough squad to become a top 4 team and the evidence is there for all to see. Brad Jones would find it hard to become a regular a in a premiership side. We don't have another Lucas type player. We don't have enough Leaders in the squad. Shankly and paisley filled their teams with leaders.
I have said all along that we have a team to match anyside when all fit and firing, but our squad isn't strong enough. Let's get behind the club and stop expecting for now, the impossible.

17 Mar 2013 13:38:46
impossible?
u kidding mate.
then give the owners back 100 mill.
and we shall accept the failure.

17 Mar 2013 09:17:23
I think we need to put yesterday down to a bad day at the office, forget it, and move on. It's not nice to keep hearing we are "progressing" and "give it time", because we all want to win everything now, but the truth of the matter is that we are.

We lack the consistency of the top four teams, but prior to yesterday we had won our last 3 league games, and I think we would be happy to keep taking 9 points out of every 12.

The turnover of players over the last few years has been immense and some take longer than others to settle into a new environment, so all those posters demanding another mass overall this summer need to be careful what you wish for.

Realistically, I think we need a winger to replace Downing, a centre half to replace Skrtel, and another holding midfielder to give us that bit of strength when we go away to the scrappy teams near the bottom of the table. Martin Kelly can come in for Carragher.

I would hope the owners put a bit of cash up, along with sales, to give us at least 40million to go out and buy these 3 top class players we need. Whether that will purchase the quality we need remains to be seen.

Anybody else gone anything constructive to add?

Thanks,
GP29

Well said.
But I do believe that Downing does not need replacing i. e being sold as he has with his recent performances but so as you mentioned we do need to shore up our defenses with 2 quality CB's and also a backup for Lucas in DM and if there are funds availabe only then go for a winger/foward.

Havoc's Call

17 Mar 2013 08:52:14
What made me angry was our pressing of the ball and man; THERE WAS NONE. Earlier in the season we had a man closing the ball down a few seconds after a man received it. Yesterday the midfield were just strolling around like they didn't even care and we let Southampton play.

Was also disappointed with the amount of long balls we used yesterday we was getting beat 2-1 and still in the game and all we could do was lump it to Suarez or Sturridge hoping something could happen. We saw how well we do against Norwich, Fulham, Man City etc when we play the ball around on the floor. Especially in those conditions its sort of common sense that long balls aren't suited that.

Hopefully no one gets injured over the international break, hopefully give us time to regroup and hopefully Rodgers will give them a kick up the backside!

17 Mar 2013 08:50:28
The facts:-
We are a mediocre team with a very unproven mediocre manager who is way out of his depth.
We put in occasional good performances against better teams, which brings back our dreams of the old days.
Reality then comes back and kicks us in the teeth, we are a million miles away from the top the gap between us and United gets bigger and bigger.
When will things improve?
Not under this regime, that's for sure!

Derek

Yes I do agree we are miles off the top and the gap is huge between us and them, but I believe that Rodgers is the man to take us back there! He has a huge job on his hands as we all know and this summer is a big one in the transfer market and I believe will be a defining moment in his Liverpool career! I hope he gets it right because if he doesn't then more and more fans are going to call for him to be sacked yet again! It's like Rodgers said. " We need quality, not quantity!". I hope he gets it right!

In brenden I trust, with a liverbird upon my chest, JFT96, YNWA
Ack17

17 Mar 2013 12:23:51
The Facts:
Your a bad fan.

WelshBoyDave: Brilliant to the point dry humour response. lol

17 Mar 2013 17:25:27
To be fair he's allowed to criticize, I just wish someone would have the balls to post this when we're doing well, if that's how they really feel!

17 Mar 2013 08:43:06
What makes me laugh, its middle of March and Brendan now realises we have a problem defensively.

I said it a few weeks back, when teams give us space we will play them off the park, but when teams get at us we are clueless and defensively inept.

I see Skyrtle played so here endeth the lesson for me, couple with G Johnson we are always going to leak goals i'm afraid.

Scouse Red

17 Mar 2013 08:41:52
coutinho/suarez/sturrigde/downing is too attack minded away from home.
allen will come good but anyone with a football brain and watches european football knows that for 15mil you buy a much better midfielder with goals in him.
barca play great football but they always have iniesta/xavi/busqueats controlling the game. yesterday we had allen and gerrard.
most matches are won in midfield.
BR clearly does not rate henderson yesterday he could have done a good job with his energie.
we need another cb and we need a worldclass midfielder next to gerrard and lucas.
and a winger downing is playing well but does not have enough goals in him
MALTA

17 Mar 2013 08:39:26
Wow last week and the three before that we were brilliant and then we lose a game against team fighting for their lives when we have NOTHING to play for. This happens, we lose regularly nearly 1 in 3. Did people really think a team that hasn't won 4 league games in a row for a long time could suddenly win 12? Our players believe they are world beaters after wining a few games and the get brought back with a bump, villa & wba & now southhampton.

17 Mar 2013 08:34:01
The reaction on this website is such a joke. Once again if we start winning we will become close to atop 4 team and then we lose we are a mid table team.

Yesterday was poor the attitude was poor and really we needed a firework up our arse.

But we have been playing well recently and every team plays poorly once in a while however we can't scrape wins like other teams do.

Relisticallt there is still 8 games to get a few points and get as high up as possible!

London red

Top post!

17 Mar 2013 08:13:07
ed.
are you really fine we are not making to CL. and we keep supporting some stupid purchases?
I am sure you are a realistic person.

Being optimistic is an excellent idea. but u can't be fool do you?

harry scousser
ynwa

17 Mar 2013 08:08:44
I was hoping we might have learned from the Spurs game. I think we're playing with just 2 midfielders and 4 attacking players and it leaves us exposed. Especially when Gerrard (anymore) and Allen are not the most athletic and the 4 forward players are not the most defensive minded or good at keeping the ball in deeper areas.
Against Spurs, Bale (he was dropping off) and Dembele with their pace and power-and aided by Parker- were starting to overrun Gerrard and Lucas and it happened again, yesterday, with only 2 in the middle. We couldn't get a foot hold in the game and Southampton dominated us.
I think we need to stiffen the midfield away from home and against the better teams.
And what was Skrtel doing on Southampton's third goal?
Rigsby.

Completely agree. playing three in the middle allows the front three to attack. playin suarez and sturridge in the middle appears to clutter the play and leave no cover for the two midfielders, as sturridge is unable to even try and work hard and defend, and only wants to score goals. the guy is selfish and doesn't have the team ethic genuinely at heart at the mo. either drop sturridge, or drop downing/coutinho and play sturridge/suarez out wide. need three in midfield to give defensive cover. looks a lot more balanced. three from lucas/hendo/stevie g/allen. using a defensive mid allows say stevie and hendo/allen to support attacks. having sturridge and suarez in the same team needs to be sorted out with one of them put wide or else drop sturrige, until he learns to work for the team.
rodges brain

One of the best posts, have been thinking the same, only problem, is that it won't get sorted till its too late,
redforever

17 Mar 2013 07:58:03
Still a Liverpool fan.
Still behind Brendan Rodgers and will not judge him after 1 year but I will after 3.
Still happy with the direction the side is heading in.
Still realistic enough to know that we are a long way from teams like United, City, etc.
Still Like the football we are playing.
Still like sturridge and coutinho and allen.
Still drunk!
Nice one.

17 Mar 2013 06:49:16
There was little to no chance we would win all our fixtures so losing and drawing some matches was always going to happen.
It is all about how we react now. Should we go to villa park turn on our A game come away with all 3 points then we have a decent haul of point from our last 6 matches.
If we achieve a similar amount of points from our next 6 matches we will probably have a small chance of finishing 5th but that was always going to be the highest place avalible to us unless we did go and win all our remaining matches.

6th is more realistic and that would be down to the fact we had periods in August and September when we achieved very few points from any 6 match spell.
let's have it right things ARE moving in the right direction. A bit frustrating when we lose but that's always has been the case.

Its the way we get beat away that's the problem, three 3-1 defeats by so called lesser teams is a big worry, does br know what he is doing or does he just make it up as he goes along, and his comment after the first 3-1 defeat by wba that we would lose a lot of games in the season did not get him off to a good start with me, I want him to do well but he needs to learn do not change a winning team, play your best team always and do not have too much loyalty to players like allen as this could lose you your job. ynwa red mick tag.

17 Mar 2013 03:17:50
Yes we won against Spurs. But it was not a win where we played them of the park. Spurs rode their luck in previous couple of games (even their own supporters commented that they did not play well but won) and came unstuck against us. It was'nt BRs tactical prowess which won us that game but I can safely say that it was BRs tactical blunder which lost us this game. His persistence is amazing but it is the wrong kind. Firstly through his tenure he has been out to prove that Kenny was wrong in his choices of players with an eye towards the owners correct decision in replacing him. He is persistent in playing Allen to prove some point and now defending him with the injury. It must hurt Allen's shoulder every time he passes the ball (or should I say gives away the ball) with his leg. Why play him? I just realised if he plays Hendo it will be admitting Kenny bought a decent player. Apart from Coutinho, I believe his choices are wasteful and that includes lazy ball hogging Sturridge whose true colours are becoming visible. Now the owners have a dilemma whether to admit their mistake of Knee jerk reaction or just let the rot continue. It would not surprise me if they are actively looking to offload the club. Once again I have to repeat : "Taxi for Rodgers" {Ed001's Note - ah yes, that explains why Downing is starting every week, good one. Clueless tripe.}

Promised myself after our fiasco last season not to comment on other people's sites but after being plagued by you lot last week, would like to just make a few comments!
Yes you WERE a brilliant team years ago, yes you WERE the best team on merseyside but let's face it, you are now a top six side at best with a need for some decent players!
Yes you have Reina, Suarez, Sterling ( did he stay to sit on the bench ) Sturridge ( couldn't do it at Chavski or rubbishty ) Agger, and one of the best players ever, Stevie G ( how much longer can he run his heart out for you? ) but who else? Sorry but King Kenny destroyed your finances by buying crap, Enrique, Downing, Carroll, Henderson, so now you will have to spend time rebuilding like others!
Davo

Ed, hasn't Downing been one of Liverpool's best players in recent weeks? {Ed013's Note - He has improved}

Ed001 the reason he is starting downing every week is because he has come out and told media that he has improved him.

Could it not just be that we had a bad game as a team?

First of all I agree with you on the Henderson debate, ashe deserves the chance to play after his start of the yr displays. I also think that Hendo is the better player compared to Allen. I don't think Rogers is making choices to send messages that all Kennys signings are crap, compared to his because Enrique Suarez and Downing wouldn't play either. I did read that Rogers believes his choices in the summer were not ideal because of his scouting set up wasn't in place. Borini and Allen have been just as disapointing as Henderson and Downing. Rogers loves himself we all know that. He's still a young manager who believes he's the man for the job, but he's still learning, and like all managers will look to divert blame to someone else doorstep. Let's get behind the team lads. And hope he's the next Messiah instead of a Naughty little Boy. Ps Blessed all the big noses.

Comolli paid too much for Carroll, Downing and Henderson, Kenny chose them, but they all have ability if they are giving a stage to show it. We got to 2 finals last season with them players so lay off the Kenny's crap will you.

Downing could not do any thing else but improve he was soooooooooo bad.

17 Mar 2013 01:04:06
hi Eds what are your views on this Please reply, we buy an up an coming Attacking midfield talent i. e Erikson, Isco, a Centre back to partner agger someone experienced with leadership qualities and years left in him, so : 4-3-3
Reina
Johnson
NEW CB
Agger
Enrique
Gerrard & Lucas Holding ( Gerrard bombs up now and then )
New CAM in front of them
Front 3 of Sturridge Suarez Coutinhio all swaping round casuing mahem for defenders to mark. Reply {Ed001's Note - we need defensive midfield cover, not more attacking midfielders, we have plenty of those.}

When you only score 1 against Southampton you clearly don't have enough QUALITY in attacking players.

Henderson is not an ttacking midfielder (he's better to deputize for Gerrard) and Allen clearly can't handle the holding role or the attacking role so he needs to be moved on. We either need to buy a starting caliber Winger and play Coutinho as the CAM or buy a QUALITY CAM and play coutinho out wide full time.

DM cover is one thing but I for one would prefer Lars Bender to supplant Lucas in the starting 11. Add a top quality CB to be the muscle next to Agger and it will be a great summer.

Let Assaidi borini ngoo leave and bring in another attacker. Sanchez eriksen Honda or Ben arfa is what we need. Let shelvey and spearing move on and get a quality DM. Skrtel Coates and carra will move on. I'd try and get Luke shaw plus a CB but a leader not someone like de vri that is going to need to settle. Pay the money and get a safe bet. I'd guess that would leave us with agger CB wisdom Kelly with McLaughlin Johnson Enrique and Robinson for FB.

17 Mar 2013 00:26:01
Hi ed, I have a question about the way we play and this isn't just because we lost today but i'm a bit disappointed in the way we've played all season to honest. I thought we were supposed to be playing tiki-taka football, I don't know if this is the way Swansea played last season as I don't think I watched any of their games but I thought that they played tiki-taka because from what i've seen of them this season they try to play it and play it well. I'm just disappointed as i've only seen it in glimpses this season from us for example Suarez's goal against spurs or Enriques against, ironically, Swansea. I don't know if i'm maybe wrong and we are playing but I just can't see it.
It would be helpful if an Ed or somebody else could shed some light on this for me.
Cheers {Ed001's Note - tiki-taka is just a term used by journalists that are too lazy to bother to learn about football.}

Swansea under Rodgers did keep possession better than LFC are currently, but his Swansea team also lacked a cutting edge at times.

We're more penetrating, but perhaps that's come at a cost. It's still early days in his tenure, so no need to press the panic button just yet.

16 Mar 2013 22:52:55
Hi eds today proved we are lacking in midfield we need a power house creative player do u have any1 in mind?
Thanks {Ed001's Note - I don't, no.}

Really wished we had bought Sissoko! Looks a fantastic player

We need a DM, not another attacking one. That is the problem, look at yesterday when Lucas wasn't fully fit, we had to play attacking mids in there. It was the same the first half of the season and most of last.
Even with the great Xavi, Iniesta and Messi Barca still need Masch behind them.
The thing we need to do now is keep the manager and the majority of the squad together and add quality to the weak areas, which appear to be deffencive positions at the momment.
This is how we will become more consistent and successfull, and stop wasting money rebuilding all the time.
But for all the talk of tactics and positions that need improving, Agger gets an offside wrong, Gerrards long pss goes to a saints player and the wall just bottles it. Sloppy play and mistakes, doesn't matter what team he puts out if they play like that.

17 Mar 2013 00:56:44
When did football stop being about picking your best 11? This "group thing is getting boring. Time to get out your own backside Brenda.

16 Mar 2013 23:52:23
all i'm going to say is people need to lay off BR, just read a comment saying that if the season started at christmas then we would be third this proves that the team is progressing, the team gave silly goals away at the start of the season whilst trying to get used to the style of play, hence why we need to win as many games as possible. this season is transitional and FSG will give brendan another season at least, for people hoping he will be gone you are all deluded, you can see the team is progressing, the squad is thin, we underestimated southampton today BR's tactics didn't work but to say its all allen's and BRS's fault is quite frankly ridiculous every player on that pitch is responsible for the loss as well as brendan, but in order for this club to succeed and get back to the top where we belong, fickle fans need to either get off their high horses claiming they could do a better job, and support the team and the club no matter what happens. Or if you feel you can't give our club its full support then you should just leave.

Just remember that in normal day to day jobs mistakes happen, that's life! if I had been sacked for every mistake i'd ever made in my job I would be the most unemployable person on the planet, don't expect miracles to happen over night and expect a few bumps along the way that's what football is all about, bringing people together to show their love for a team, not bicker about which player played worse, and spouting off about the manager or its owners. if we all stand tall together success is imminent, but thts just my opinion, sorry to ramble on :)

lfc4lifeynwa

I don't make mistakes

Chuck Norris

I understand, and agree with you in principle. However I think playing an injured (and quite frankly over rated) Joe Allen ahead of Lucas was mind boggling! Playing Skrtl over Carra was also a bad call imho. Carra's defensive organisation alone could have changed that match! These two decisions sit firmly with BR

BR needs to wake up and smell the coffee, to many tactical mistakes.

Does he not watch the man city v saints game to realise how they play?

Carra was injured and Lucas needed a rest to prevent another long term injury. The team we played yesterday beat the premier league winners from last season (Man City) 3-1. They have spent three times as much as us and have twice as many players. In football you can't win every game, that's why its so exciting to watch. Don't get me wrong I feel hurt every time we lose and ecstatic every time I win but regardless after every match I support my team and the manager some fans need to the same and help us progress rather than constantly getting out your old vhs tapes and looking in the past. We are progressing be happy.

Ynwa Richard

There's is a difference between just losing a game and getting completely battered and overun. (we were very lucky to get out of there with just a 3-1 defeat, could of been a damn sight worse)
So although some of the criticisms are well over the top it is also in some way understandable.

16 Mar 2013 23:38:27
". almost 80 million did we spend on strikers in past 2 years.
much more than any top clubs across Europe. and only one guy have hit the target. "

I am sure there there might be a clause in sturridge contract of playing him central.

and where is the 4-3-3 formation br liked?.

16 Mar 2013 23:38:16
Shouldn't have changed side. Soft underbelly STILL! Skrtel shocking-bottles gone. The 3rd goal Lucas trots by Rodriguez and Skrtels challenge ain't worthy to be called one! Stevie trots back on several occassions. He cannot be expected to be like he once was every week!We just HAVE to get steel at back and in Centre midfield-Which is also sadly lacking in pace. Rodgers himself said Be next season before Lucas back to best, I feel though lads been excellent as ever reading game, he's lost pace when tracking back. Stevie-well that's age. But after excellent recent weeks, ONCE AGAIN!- our dreams shattered and we crash down to earth. Oh and Sturridgebmate-you ain't made it yet!- book your fookin ideas up!-last game ok back after injury thought you were lazy then. For sure today! NOT GOOD ENOUGH AGAIN BOYS, AGAIN YOU LET US DOWN!

16 Mar 2013 23:35:34
Again some of the posts on here are senseless, after a loss, one minute brendan rodgers is God the next minute he's satan. Ok, we had a bad day and not even suarez performed but some posts aren't warranted, if these are the posts that made it on then I dread to think how hard the eds work to keep the site abuse free.

So next time before you post re-read your post is it relevant to the game, if not don't post it. Or if your in a rush at least take a minute to think things through. It would ave the eds a lot of time.

Lil Red

Suarez didn't create enough or get his goal, but to say he didn't perform is really unfair. I thought he was one of the few players worthy of the shirt in that game. He never gave up. He chased everything. He was defending at left back, then passing the ball out of central mid field, then running down the wing! No complaints about him at all from that game. He was let down by the rest of the team!

Totally agree on Suarez, didn't see Lambert helping out at left back? Nor should you?
When Suarez turned up at left back and actually won the ball beat a man and played a good ball into midfield. I couldn't help but smile:-)
A good footballer is a good foootballer.
If I was Suarez I'd be telling them fullbacks their ten a penny next week in training;-)
The lad can do anything! Keep him and build a team round him.

16 Mar 2013 23:24:19
Normally I wouldn't pick on any player, but am I the only one seeing a lazy Glen Johnson? I don't feel great about it but I must say he slacks against the "lesser" clubs. There's no doubt about his quality when he applies himself, and I'm not pinning the result on him, I believe he can be great again, but right now he's not giving his all. He seems less than interested in chasing wingers and he simply refuses to challenge for headers. I don't know, it's just annoying to watch each week. Anyone know how close Kelly is to a start?

To me it seems people claiming he has been one of our best players is very far off target. He has few goals and few assists. He offers another dynamic, but we all know what he's capable of and he just simply doesn't apply it game in game out like Baines or Zabaleta do. He can be amazing, but he just doesn't put in the effort, same with a lot of our players.

Ive written many posts regarding GJ, he's an mobile as a tortoise in my book, defensively poor and always gets caught out of position.

Id get rid asap and take the money and run we have better cover in reserves.

Isn't it the managers job to motivate him and give a kick up the back side?

It's a team game, incuding the Manager, don't really see the need to criticise individuals when the overall performance was that bad.

We concede a lot of goals that either start from his area of the pitch or by a ball played into an area he could/should be covering. The problem is worse when he is near Agger.

Overall we may have been bad but Gj and Skyrtle are useless at defending, Agger ain't to great either so I think constructive criticism is warrented here.

16 Mar 2013 23:08:00
not a great result today, credit to the Saints they played us off the park and it could have been much worse.

just a question, not sure if any one knows but was Carra injured today? was very surprised not to see him playing

Yes calf injury

16 Mar 2013 22:57:53
Being one of the most succesfuclubs in workd football the club and its fans have one of the HIGHEST EXPECTATIONS

therefor the owners lack of ambition and support (most player transfers coming from money from selling players and next season we'll only have 20 mill and may need to sell Suarez) means we are going no where fast or shal I say slow?

The owners need to realise we aren't a play thing just to say "i own Liverpool" we want more and expect more for our club simple as that

Wheres the stadium? All these flops they've hired? Their rules of obly buying young players and most likely unproven players is NOT WORKING

You wanna buy YOUNG PLAYERS to MAXIMIZE what you get for your money FSG? Then buy the likes of goetze isco eriksen lewandowski these are the players who are on the level of LIverpool football club not allen an borini we are LOWERING our standards

They paid the debt but got us a couple hundred mill on the cheap I don't care we are Liverpool and DEMAND the best

17 Mar 2013 08:14:14
Totally agree with you mate. Give me Allen and Borini or Dembele and Negredo and I know who I will choose anyday. We have failed to get our priorities right and we are struggling big time.

Our defence only look shaky because our midfield is crap. If you watched the game last night we only retained oossession at the back when our defenders were the ones who had to create and instigate attack. This often left too many holes to be explored by opposition.

The worrying thing is we haven't even been linked to any affordable and decent midfielder yet, aside Iturra and Rodgers won't play our best midfield pairing of Gerard, Lucas and Hendo.

We already have Agger, Skrtel, Wisdom, Kelly and Sama yet we have been linked with defenders and more defenders. Does BR not understand that defending is done by midfield and defenders as one. I've lost count of the times our midfield have failed to track down attackers and in the end they score. Gerard is the most guilty. He did this last night. He did it versus Everton. He did it versus Arsenal. He done it so many times. Its clear he needs help. But Rodgers can't see this.

Rodgers is deliberately destroying us and he would be found out after another summer jamboree of crap recruitment and misplaced priority.

When br came in and spent 25mill on allen and borrini my alarm bells went off not a good start by any means, but things happen in football that we do not know i. e the repayment terms to swansea and to roma (owned by some one who is close to fsg) must have been favourable there must have been a good reason as they are both not what we required for that ammount of money.

16 Mar 2013 22:56:27
I am deflated as the majority on this site over the performance this afternoon. You must come to your own conclusion why we were defeated, Saints had a go at us like West Brom, Villa, and Stoke. I do feel we should go to away games and fight for the right to play our football. Lucas should have played with Gerrard and Henderson in a midfield three with Coutinho and Suarez backing up sturridge. Coutinho, downing, allen backing Gerrard up, are too light weight. Case Mcdermott Souness and Kennady would have chewed them up and spat them out. I am willing to give Rogers a fair crack at the whip, but he needs to wise up on taking on teams that are fighting for their premiership places. We need to match them physically first of all then play our football.

17 Mar 2013 09:27:52
surely they would be too old to play, no?

What a smart arse, you are.

16 Mar 2013 22:54:30
how many deals do you reckon we will get done in the summer? and how many do you think we need?

Does it matter? Ye will still moan if it isn't the player ye signed on Football Manager.

17 Mar 2013 08:34:31
Considering that most of our deals will be funded by sales and seeing that clubs wait till deadline day before signing players, it would be a bit difficult to do so many deals this summer.

But we need to sign a striker as a matter of priority and a right winger. Then two midfielders. Don't see nothing wrong with our defence and we have youngsters like Kelly, Sama and Wisdom who can deputize.

The midfield and forward is where we are hurting. Sturidge is not a striker and does not have the movements of one. Borini is much at that but he hasn't benn played in that role.

My picks would be
1. Striker: Aubameyang/Gameiro/Heung Min Son
2. DM: Diame/Iturra/Ongdogbia
3. Winger: Mertens/Honda
4. Any other strong, pacy and creative midfielder.

If we don't buy 2 proper centre backs, 1 all inspiring midfielder, 1 true wiger and a Goal score then we will forever be average i'm afrai

Try GJ on the wing if funds don't allow but he's a muppet defender, put Agger in Midfield as partner for Lucas, Skyrtle just get rid asap.