Liverpool Banter Archive December 18 2010

 

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18 Dec 2010 23:54:46
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Would it be terrible if we started next season in the europa league again? new owners, im sure there will be a clear out of underperforming players, with a host of fresh faces to arrive and a new manager/ head coach (hopefully). a lot of changes are to be made. i know we should be playing in the champions league annually, but i just feel that it will take time for the new team to gel, so maybe playing in the europa league against some of the 'weaker' teams in europe will help those new players settle more quickly, as the competition isn't as stressful as the champions league?

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18 Dec 2010 23:53:44
Edgar ivan pacheco, never heard him but what you guys are saying sounds really really. so by what ur saying, i hope your telling the truth coz now i really hope we get him

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18 Dec 2010 23:53:31
Honda? really? look hes a good player and all but i just don't see him helping us with our problems. look he had a great world cup for japan but all we really saw was he could score free kicks. if he did sign for us, yea id give the guy a chance, maybe he is the answer to our attack problems

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honda is a alround fantastic player saw him when he played for vvv in holland soft league agreed but scored nearly every game earnt a move to russia

he is a fantastic player he is not just about free kicks all though when was the last free kick we scored direct?? ?

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18 Dec 2010 23:43:05
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As much as id love to say yea we r gunna sign ronaldinho, which would be good, i don't see it happening. at ac milan hes found some of his best form but it would take him a while to fit in the epl, and we all know he aint the fittest anymore and he loves a good old party one and a while. we gotta buy players who arent 30 and gunna cost us alot per week. players like honda and suarez, young players but would cost alot but we would get their skills and talent. don't get me wrong, ronaldinho is a great player, but not the man liverpool need.
defenders ( mexes, taiwo))
mids ( our centres mid r good right now, maybe buy some1 for lucas
wingers (kuyt is good but hes getting older, so young, walcott mayb)))
strikers (any1 but ngog for now, id wuldnt mind tevez

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18 Dec 2010 23:42:59
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So i see that currently 54 people think we should cash in on Fernando. . Morons! Did Fernando turn his back on us when we didn't qualify for the champions league? did he manipulate us in the media whilst sneakily manufacturing a larger pay packet or move for himself? and has he at anytime shown disrespect or disloyalty to our great club and it supporters? The answer to all three is a resounding no. Shame on those who have forsaken him. There is NOONE to replace what he gives our team NOONE! and as soon as we get back to playing football everyone will once again see what a wonderful footballer he is.

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18 Dec 2010 23:19:35
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Lots of people on this site seem to think we may sign one or two players in jan and the main action will happen in the summer.surley that will be too late to keep torres and co? why wouldn't the owner buy some quality players now to keep the top players happy and to help to move into the champions league spots? if the owners have promised the like of torres that they will buy top draw players to we can compete we should trust that is waht will happen and im sure they won't risk losing our best players

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18 Dec 2010 22:55:00
Ryan babel, look its good you said how much you love liverpool but you have been here for nearly 4 years, cost us like 11.5 million pounds and honestly you have a done nothing. the only thing your consistent at is putting crap on twitter and getting in the media for it. so instead of whinging on twitter, start impressing us with your skills

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18 Dec 2010 22:52:34
Honda? really? look hes a good player and all but i just don't see him helping us with our problems. look he had a great world cup for japan but all we really saw was he could score free kicks. if he did sign for us, yea id give the guy a chance, maybe he is the answer to our attack problems

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18 Dec 2010 22:44:38
I would love to see owen coyle at liverpool, hes stood there in shorts arguing with bruce, could you see roy doing that?no he would be sat rubbing his bleeding face like he had scabies, instead of standing up for his players, jimmybosun

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18 Dec 2010 22:36:12
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Hey guys, long time follower first time poster. There are a lot of rumours about us buying center halfs. I really don't think we need any, as we have carra and agger to come back, Krygiacos (spelling?) and skrtel, and wilson, kelly and ayala who will be back in january. If he signs cahill, dann or shawcross i will go over and slap him myself. I also can't see the value in us signing honda or ronaldniho, as we have stevie and joe to play there. We are crying out for another experienced striker and a new left back. As to who will will sign? hard to say really. Would like to see the likes of capdevilla looked at, but a striker more then anything else. I don't think we need a young striker, as Ngog and Eccleston look fantastic but an experienced striker to see them through.

Thoughts ed?
(also Poulson to be shot!)

RePuBlIc Of ScOuSe {ed's note - you know Honda can play as a striker don't you? Other than that I agree with your thoughts, I do think Honda is worth buying though.}

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18 Dec 2010 22:30:28
Ed:- whats this about Koncheski telling fans what to do and his mother having a say about things? {ed's note - to be honest it is not worth getting riled up over mate, just a mother with no brains or class making things worse for a son with no clue how to play football.}

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18 Dec 2010 22:20:32
What exactly have they done then clever clogs? Besides buy the club on the cheap because of the Barclays Capital link and possible promises to finance a new stadium though Barclays Capital, what exactly have they done? So far they've announced a stringent set of transfer acquisition criteria which soley benefits them and effectively creates a risk averse approach so they don't lose money. The Ashley Young case is a classic example of things to come, rumours of us being priced out as we could potentially get a similar style of player elsewhere for a third of the price, who allegedly would afford more potential in merchandising and offer potential to improve his valuation for resale purposes. This won't solve the existing problem we have in terms of depth of quality to an ability to challenge. Stan Collymore was our last British record signing in 1996 and until we get back to that level of purchase, we're going to remain static whilst at the same time NESV will have the pleasure of enjoying the financial rewards associated with a big fat cash cow that is LFC. Another nice little earner for some of the wealthiest people in the world.

To the poster above

h*ckin wise up. . . What future revenue will NESV have from a mid table club. . point is they will have to invest to keep the big club status, and yes they may get some financial rewards which is ok as they own the club. .REMEMBER.

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You want to wise up sunshine, keep an open mind. I hope they prove me wrong but i'll never trust a yankee doodle until they deliver what they say their going to deliver. Until I see evidence of this the jury's out and given the nature of the modern game, I can't see any way forward unless they get the cheque book out. I can only interpret what they are saying as an acknowledgement that they accept that we are a mid table team for now and will apply a rebuilding formula that could take many years to yield results, if at all. If it doesn't, it makes no odds to NESV as they can walk away having enjoyed a period of high yield against their investment during a period of global economic contraction. Were they hoping to secure revenue off the back of a successful world cup bid? Who knows? If they had factored that into their forecasting, i'm sure the war chest for transfers will be even less. Nevertheless, Torres and Gerrard havn't got 3-5 years to wait for the rebuilding punt to produce, they need quality in the team now or their medal rooms won't host the type of silverware they'd like to be showing the grandchildren.

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18 Dec 2010 22:17:10
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18 Dec 2010 19:21:32
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Do we have any names for the CEO at pool?

Kopsan

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No names as such mate, but I've been told the company conducting the search, Spencer Stuart, a global executive search firm have narrowed, it down to 5 potential CEO's with 2 currently based in Britain (unknown whether they are currently employed though). Tom Werner hopes to make an appointment early 2011, around March probably.

Jay

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18 Dec 2010 22:16:01
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Ed prob a long shot but what about riise coming back to sort out the left back problem, he only turned 30 and woul be cheap enough.
agree-bel
disagree-unbel
What do u think of this ed?

joker

{Editor's Note: Not for me.}

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18 Dec 2010 21:59:03
It is getting a little beyond the pale with Roy Hodgson telling the supporters what should be expected and Paul Konchesky telling supporters what to do as fans .

LFC is better than them .

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18 Dec 2010 21:55:58
Quite a few Italian teams are playing 'the diamond formation' , would you like similar at LFC ?

. . . . . . . . . . . . . Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . Johnson. . .Kelly. . . .Agger. . .Aurelio. .

. . . . . .Gerrard. . Lucas. . Meireles. . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . .Maxi. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . Babel. . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . .

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looks like a 4-3-3 formation to me. If 4-3-3 is played properly it works everytime.
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Not like that, possibly this (after jan)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . Johnson. . .hangerland. . Kygriakos. . .Taiwo. .

. . . . . . . . . Gerrard. . Lucas. . Meireles. . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . honda/ ronaldinho. . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . Suarez. . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . .

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18 Dec 2010 21:50:23
18 Dec 2010 21:09:58
Considering Peter Beardsley was probably the last British record transfer fee asociated with the club

Was it not Collymore?

Was it not Glen Johnson?

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18 Dec 2010 21:48:19
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I know ronaldinho was NOT at anfield today!. . But what is the gossip surrounding this transfer? Is it true?
Also has there been a budget given to us for january or is it a 'as much as we need type deal'?

{Editor's Note: Ronaldinho is not true - there will not be a fixed budget and it will not be as much as is needed. It will be based upon what is agreed.}

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18 Dec 2010 21:42:19
What exactly have they done then clever clogs? Besides buy the club on the cheap because of the Barclays Capital link and possible promises to finance a new stadium though Barclays Capital, what exactly have they done? So far they've announced a stringent set of transfer acquisition criteria which soley benefits them and effectively creates a risk averse approach so they don't lose money. The Ashley Young case is a classic example of things to come, rumours of us being priced out as we could potentially get a similar style of player elsewhere for a third of the price, who allegedly would afford more potential in merchandising and offer potential to improve his valuation for resale purposes. This won't solve the existing problem we have in terms of depth of quality to an ability to challenge. Stan Collymore was our last British record signing in 1996 and until we get back to that level of purchase, we're going to remain static whilst at the same time NESV will have the pleasure of enjoying the financial rewards associated with a big fat cash cow that is LFC. Another nice little earner for some of the wealthiest people in the world.

To the poster above

h*ckin wise up. . . What future revenue will NESV have from a mid table club. . point is they will have to invest to keep the big club status, and yes they may get some financial rewards which is ok as they own the club. .REMEMBER.

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18 Dec 2010 21:19:28
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Alright this is a message to everyone trying to pre-empt what NESV are going to do, please just give them some time, people are saying they need to splash the cash, maybe they will maybe they won't, but they did'nt buy us to lose money! There a very successfull company and will turn are fortunes around i'm sure but it takes time to fix problems that probably go back to Souness if not further! Also I really wish people would stop about Torres he's a class act on and off the field players go in and out of form but class is permanent! Ed can I please have your comments on what I said cheers Banjo boy

{Editor's Note: They need time.}

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18 Dec 2010 21:18:53
I hope history doesn't repeat itself in the sense that when Jose Mourinho was in charge at Porto he was heavily linked with the managers job at LFC only for him to join Chelsea.I believe that if the new owners make him a good offer and he sees that they are ambitious in their future plans for the club he could consider to join us and he would relish the challenge of bringing the title to Anfield and earn legendary status amongst the clubs fans

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if you are talking about andres villas boas, ive just been looking at the odds for the next boss. i can't find him on any of the online bookies. would be delighted if he were to come but can't see it myself. would nesv go from an old, outdated dinosaur(nearly 70) to a young guy, only 33? i hope so.
in case there are any people who think roy should stay, have a look at polls.tw/ 1d2/ p. last time i looked there were 401 votes, 94.8% want roy sacked immediately.
big steve177

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18 Dec 2010 21:17:10
Considering Peter Beardsley was probably the last British record transfer fee asociated with the club

Was it not Collymore?

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Theres no need for splitting hairs, either way, the point being its been a long time since we were dealing at that level and the trophy cabinet stands testiment.

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18 Dec 2010 21:09:58
Considering Peter Beardsley was probably the last British record transfer fee asociated with the club

Was it not Collymore?

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18 Dec 2010 21:08:33
Quite a few Italian teams are playing 'the diamond formation' , would you like similar at LFC ?

. . . . . . . . . . . . . Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . Johnson. . .Kelly. . . .Agger. . .Aurelio. .

. . . . . .Gerrard. . Lucas. . Meireles. . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . .Maxi. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . Babel. . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . .

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looks like a 4-3-3 formation to me. If 4-3-3 is played properly it works everytime.

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18 Dec 2010 21:04:21
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RE: Inzogbia rumour. It strikes me that N'Zobgia fits into FSG's model of taking underperforming players and giving them a punt. He's not the worst, let's face it. Riera was worse.

are you kidding me? riera was one of our best players when we finished second that season he had brilliant skills, all nzogbia has is pace and weight, in fact a saw a video about him today and he was brilliant, still n'zogbia could be worth a punt but he is in no way better than riera

me14

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18 Dec 2010 20:54:27
There are some huge wish lists in the offing on the wish list page , hopefully we will have a rejuvenated squad before too long .

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18 Dec 2010 20:32:11
I hope history doesn't repeat itself in the sense that when Jose Mourinho was in charge at Porto he was heavily linked with the managers job at LFC only for him to join Chelsea.I believe that if the new owners make him a good offer and he sees that they are ambitious in their future plans for the club he could consider to join us and he would relish the challenge of bringing the title to Anfield and earn legendary status amongst the clubs fans

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18 Dec 2010 20:28:38
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As a Liverpool fan I would just like to say that it is not th e Liverpool way to gat at Torres when he put so many goals for us an d loves our club as we do we should all give our support to him and let our patience shine onto him and the whole team and teach him the liverpool way and not show this childish impatience. He could have left in the summer but he stuck here so let us show support all the way and criticise responsibly. anyone know what happened to us buying Llorente, because that is the the kind of players we should be looking at.

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18 Dec 2010 20:24:32
I think it would be difficult to convince Andre Villas Boas to come to LFC this soon in his managerial career , he has an imperious strike force and strong midfield at Porto and must be looking to achieve something along the lines that Jose Mourinho achieved at Porto before moving on .
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I'm sure it would be hard for him to leave Porto given their dominance. Maybe he would want to stay there for 5/ 6 years and gain experience and become a legend at the club. Who knows.

He has a good team there. But question remains, would he get the financial backing long-term to maybe go and win the Champions League? Porto in previous years have sold their best players to bigger clubs in bigger leagues (Deco, Meireles, Carvalho, Alves, Quaresma, L.Gonzalez and some others). If the club keep selling key players they'll not progress in Europe so maybe he'd want to win a few things there and move on if given a good offer.

But who knows. That's how I'd look at it.

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Fair point . I just feel he must be delighted with what he has and where he is going at the moment , it would take a massive decision to move on after 12 months .

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18 Dec 2010 20:19:24
Quite a few Italian teams are playing 'the diamond formation' , would you like similar at LFC ?

. . . . . . . . . . . . . Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . Johnson. . .Kelly. . . .Agger. . .Aurelio. .

. . . . . .Gerrard. . Lucas. . Meireles. . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . .Maxi. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . Babel. . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . .

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18 Dec 2010 20:17:33
SO now before the January transfer window you are starting to slate our new owners, This is before they have even done anything apart from appoint a mangerial staff, We don't even have a CEO, because they are taking their time to be thorough about it. IT may well be new ground for them, but do you really think after 2 n ahalf months, you should be formulating an opinion of them? Do you want an owner like Mansour whos going throw money at the club? IF we had an owner like Mansour we would lose all our reputation and credibility as a club.

NESV are doing it liverpool way, Where everything is behind closed doors. No longer do I open up a newspaper to find that there are more arguments going on within the Liverpool Board room, everything is hush hush.

IF you can not see what NESV have already done to the club, then you are a disgrace.

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What exactly have they done then clever clogs? Besides buy the club on the cheap because of the Barclays Capital link and possible promises to finance a new stadium though Barclays Capital, what exactly have they done? So far they've announced a stringent set of transfer acquisition criteria which soley benefits them and effectively creates a risk averse approach so they don't lose money. The Ashley Young case is a classic example of things to come, rumours of us being priced out as we could potentially get a similar style of player elsewhere for a third of the price, who allegedly would afford more potential in merchandising and offer potential to improve his valuation for resale purposes. This won't solve the existing problem we have in terms of depth of quality to an ability to challenge. Stan Collymore was our last British record signing in 1996 and until we get back to that level of purchase, we're going to remain static whilst at the same time NESV will have the pleasure of enjoying the financial rewards associated with a big fat cash cow that is LFC. Another nice little earner for some of the wealthiest people in the world.

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18 Dec 2010 20:07:27
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Please let it be david dein
pure class the man
just what the doctor orderd
arsenal won't be bought out they are ok as it is
get a decent manager in he will

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18 Dec 2010 20:00:03
18 Dec 2010 19:36:04
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Ed, psvelnino again .read an intresting stat earlier that we have got the same number of points this season from same amount of games as last season, so maybe second part of the season we might well improve and push on .cheers mate

Did we not only finish 7th last year. I hope our sights are a bit higher than that, tho I wouldn't put money on it.

The Irish Rover

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18 Dec 2010 19:37:48
I think it would be difficult to convince Andre Villas Boas to come to LFC this soon in his managerial career , he has an imperious strike force and strong midfield at Porto and must be looking to achieve something along the lines that Jose Mourinho achieved at Porto before moving on .
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I'm sure it would be hard for him to leave Porto given their dominance. Maybe he would want to stay there for 5/ 6 years and gain experience and become a legend at the club. Who knows.

He has a good team there. But question remains, would he get the financial backing long-term to maybe go and win the Champions League? Porto in previous years have sold their best players to bigger clubs in bigger leagues (Deco, Meireles, Carvalho, Alves, Quaresma, L.Gonzalez and some others). If the club keep selling key players they'll not progress in Europe so maybe he'd want to win a few things there and move on if given a good offer.

But who knows. That's how I'd look at it.

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18 Dec 2010 19:36:04
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Ed, psvelnino again .read an intresting stat earlier that we have got the same number of points this season from same amount of games as last season, so maybe second part of the season we might well improve and push on .cheers mate

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18 Dec 2010 19:25:17
I think it would be difficult to convince Andre Villas Boas to come to LFC this soon in his managerial career , he has an imperious strike force and strong midfield at Porto and must be looking to achieve something along the lines that Jose Mourinho achieved at Porto before moving on .

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18 Dec 2010 19:25:05
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It may not be an easy road we have got ahead but money needs to be spent in January to really start competing ecery week now. The squad is bare as it is and the quality of the young lads just isn't good enough. There are teams like Sunderland now who could play us off the park in away games. That's the pure truth of it. Bring some firepower in and players with battle. We need goals, creativity and some toughness. At least 3 players to cope from January in my opinion. If we could get Suarez, some kind of tough player like Palacios, Cattermole or Masch before he left and Adam Johnson or Honda, whoever fits the bill. Go out and get it and you will see us flying again.

Spriggo

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18 Dec 2010 19:23:40
Firstly Suarez did score 49 goals last season so did Afonso alves in 2007 in the same rubbish Dutch league, were is he now?. As for tevez are you serious? What about mascherano and insua the argies can't settle over here and have no loyalty at all.
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Just because Afonso Alves failed doesn't mean Suarez would. Afonso Alves did have a great scoring record granted, but when put on the international scene for Brazil he was well out of his depths. I think that put big teams off.

Suarez has performed well at international level and any time he's played in Europe he's played well. I personally believe he could make it in a bigger league. But hey, no-one knows! He could turn out to be a flop. But I'd take the chance depending on the price. We all have our opinions.

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18 Dec 2010 19:12:28
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18 Dec 2010 09:44:10
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I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

Moreover, i'm starting to get the impression that NESV don't understand football. Unfortunatley, there is a need in the modern game to stump up the wedge if you want the right players. Outlining acquisition criteria similarly to pension fund management doesn't sit right in football.

NESV need to realise that a comprehensive injection of capital in players is required now in order to propell the team back into championship contention and champions league football. Maybe then will they be able to implement their investment strategy as the quality players around the globe may then want to come to a succesful club.

They are running the risk of pushing us further into mid table stagnation. We have quality players in Gerrard, Reina and Torres but they're all coming of age and maybe have another good 3 seasons in them until we have a Carragher situation emerging.
What happens then with no second string in the background? NESV need to realise sharpish that success in this sport means dishing out the ackers and they need to do it sharpish.

What about the money they stumped up on two players for the Red Sox fair enough there is no transfer fee, but the wages given to them shows they spend money when needed just wait till January and see what happens.

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18 Dec 2010 19:11:52
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18 Dec 2010 11:30:01
U trying to keep us in the midtable ha , , , we need player like suarez, , , last season 49 goals in 48 games more than any other striker in europe, , , and hes young which is what the new owners want for liverpool, and tevez is an amazing player so how u can call him carp i don't know


Firstly Suarez did score 49 goals last season so did Afonso alves in 2007 in the same rubbish Dutch league, were is he now?. As for tevez are you serious? What about mascherano and insua the argies can't settle over here and have no loyalty at all.

might be a rubbish league but he can still find the net, , , suarez showed also in world cup he can, , i think on that basis and the goal record hes worth a gamble, don't forget every player u buy is a gamble u can only buy from their records and he has an excellent record, as for tevez i never said we should buy him i said hes great player which he is and its not him who isn't settled here its his wife, and mascherano went cos his family couldnt settle not cos he couldnt, , , loyalty for family will always come first b4 their jobs well it should some ppl hve priorites wrong tho and choose there job over there family

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18 Dec 2010 19:06:16
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Congrats Rafa,
Inter milan Fifa club world cup winners. Ynwa

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18 Dec 2010 19:01:50
Brian Reade makes a good point about Tevez and Mascherano.

Both have the same agents/ agency. They both joined Corinthians then both joined West Ham at the same time and earned big money, then both left for bigger money at Liverpool and Man Utd. Mascherano leaves Liverpool because his wife is "unhappy" in England and wants to live in Spanish surroundings or a Spanish speaking country, so after months of hearing this Mascherano leaves for probably more money at Barcelona. Then less than 4months later Carlos Tevez wants to leave, because he is "homesick" and "misses his wife and daughters", and will probably end up in La Liga also earning a massive wage. It's actually a farce. Their agency just wants to get more and more money and will convince the players to move around.

And to add my own point, if Tevez misses his family so much, why did he go to Spain for a relaxing break a couple of weeks ago when he had time off? (suspended or something I think). He went on his own, so why not go to Argentina and see these daughters and this wife he misses so much? Plus, the fat mess didn't even bother to learn English, so I think the intentions were clear.

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18 Dec 2010 19:01:49
NESV should do everything they can to get Porto boss ANDRE VILLAS-BOAS as our new manager quickly before any of the big clubs across Europe snap him up.The mans brilliant under his guidance Porto are unbeaten in over 25 competitive games this season and his team play effective and entertaining attacking football.Come on NESV sign him up even if its for next season.I would like to know your opinion on him Ed

{Editor's Note: He is doing well right now.}

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18 Dec 2010 18:44:32
I feel Roy has done a good job with liverpool in his 6 months of tenure, Its never easy taking over a team that's on the decline and turning them around, We don't have that much creativity in the middle of the park, which is why Torres isn't banging them in left, right and centre.

Do you think Roy was rubbing his face with one hand and typing this pile of crap with the other when he wrote this?

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18 Dec 2010 18:43:19
For all the 'Suso' fans, we won't see him this season(while roy is in charge!) but as soon as the new manager comes in and starts the season in another 8 months, you can be sure he'll be putting suso straight in the team. Sterling being only a few months behind him! . . . .good future at last.

Ed, would u agree with any of the above? {ed's note - hard to say, we might have a rash of injuries and Roy is forced to play him.......}

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18 Dec 2010 18:40:52
I think everything started goin tits up when paco left, and look at chelsea when wilko left. Every manager needs a good right hand man. Also don't wanna see ronaldinho come to the club, I don't think he will be up for running round when its -10.

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18 Dec 2010 18:34:22
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17 Dec 2010 19:09:01
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It is most Liverpool fans opinion that it was the sale of Xabi Alonso that has caused much of our on field problems over the past 18 months. In my opinion his replacement in midfield should be the highly rated Danish International. . . . . . . Jan Molby.
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47 year old Jan Molby even at 20 stone would be better some than some of our present midfielders. He never gives the ball away in the Masters. Mind you Hodgson likes to have the ball hoofed from the defence bypassing our midfield.

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18 Dec 2010 18:25:24
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Earlier someone wrote that Beardsley was liverpool last transfer record signing.I think you will find Stan Collymore was in 1995. Still along time ago.

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18 Dec 2010 18:18:58
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This is the final straw now. "I know right now the fans obviously want a different style of football, but I think his style will work here. That;s a quote by Paul Knonckeky about Roy Hodgson. His style is NOT working. We are horrible to watch, we don't get the results, just change your philosophy Roy. I'm sick of being jealous of teams like Arsenal and even West Brom who bring the ball out of defense the right way. The sooner Roy goes the better. The squad we have is a good squad but it is being used in the wrong way. I could write a list down of things Roy has said and done since he's arrived which have shocked me. He knows the fans are happy. All i want to at least see us try. If we attack a team full on for 90 minutes and loose it will make me happier than playing defensive for a whole game a getting a draw. I was watching west-brom play Newcastle last week and they played the right way. With a not very good squad. Same with Bolton, they have tryed to play football the right way and have got there reward. Is there squad better than ours NO do they have a better manager than us YES. It will rewen the career of Torres.
Roy Out. Any young attack minded manager in.

Rant over

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18 Dec 2010 18:01:03
{Editor's Note: Actually he has started a number of games, been on the bench and has been out injured for the past month.}
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Yes he has. But never been given a proper run in the team, and not considered a regular starter. That simply can't be denied.

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18 Dec 2010 17:41:25
{Editor's Note: You probably need to read up a little on Zhirkov - he has been injured much of the time, not sitting on the bench.}
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Forgot about his injuries. Regardless, his chances at Chelsea have been limited and although fully fit this season he either sits on the bench or is played out of position.

{Editor's Note: Actually he has started a number of games, been on the bench and has been out injured for the past month.}

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18 Dec 2010 17:37:59
The owners are in an unwinnable situation regarding the manager, i can only really see 3 options for them.

1. they stand by roy til the end of the season, that would probably leave a very slim chance of top 4, also winning the europa league and/ or FA cup would be very hard with roys negative football, not impossible but very hard. plus i would expect atleast 1 star player to leave.

2. they sack roy and get an interim manager in til they find there own man, but what if they got king kenny in and he did a great job, it would be very difficult to take the job off him without losing the fans.

3. or they pull out all the stops and get the manager they want, wich would probably mean paying alot of compensation to his current employers, but it would start the new era or liverpool fc.

any thoughts ed, im hoping for 3 but i won't hold my breath lol

always a red

{Editor's Note: It is tough to say. I would expect the search to be on-going and that discussions could take place with respect to a new manager coming in over the summer. Unless they are already out of work, it is unlikely that a manager would arrive in January. I don't see Dalglish as a way forward and would not expect him to want that job.}

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18 Dec 2010 17:26:03
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I hope we don't sign n'zogbia, he has a poor attitude, hasnt broken into the international side and isn't really that good. pienaar and stocker wud be better options and both for around 4m/ 5m.

E.H LFC

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18 Dec 2010 17:11:03
"he couldnt beat a Top 4 team for his life"
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We beat Chelsea didn't we. Actually that was the beginning of the "rough patch" Chelsea has gone through. If Roy did one thing right this year, it was shaking Carlo's, Terry's, Lampard's and Drogba"s faith that they are invincible. That might not mean much to you, but that's a step in the right direction for me.
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To the second poster, you seem to insinuate Chelsea have done badly in the last few games because we beaten them. Its an interesting theory, however I think we got Chelsea at the start of their bad patch , ie if it was a normal chelsea the result may have been different.

To the original poster though ("he couldnt beat a Top 4 team for his life") . I have to disagree with you, Roy when at Fulham at home have always got the better of United and Arsenal. cannot remember his results against chelsea. but I do remember the 3:1 against us - when we were top 4.

Roy

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18 Dec 2010 17:10:45
I feel Roy has done a good job with liverpool in his 6 months of tenure, Its never easy taking over a team that's on the decline and turning them around, We don't have that much creativity in the middle of the park, which is why Torres isn't banging them in left, right and centre.
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just when you think its safe to come from behind the sofa someone like this appears.

Please explain to me what he actually has done to make you feel its a good job.

Do you actually watch any of our games, i mean really


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18 Dec 2010 17:06:08
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"18 Dec 2010 15:46:04
Liverpool Rumours
Dear Lord, please let it be Dein! It'd certainly fit in with the general emulation of Arsenal's business model.

it won't be dein im afraid! his heart is at arsenal and as soon as their is a buy out he will walk back"

The problem is the takeover struggle has been rumbling on for over three years now and it may continue as such. Dein is too big a figure to be out of a frontline league football job for a prolonged period and he may find the offer too good to refuse if Arsenal clearly aren't coming calling any time soon. As for where his heart lies, well Broughton was a Chelsea man and Kenyon made a switch so i don't think it's as big a stumbling block as it may first appear.

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18 Dec 2010 17:02:48
Why does everyone love Honda. . he is in a poor league and still only looks average at that. What makes you think he will set the pl on fire? I mean just look at JO at city and Yuri Zhirkov, both carried astromnomical transfer fees as they were the next big thing. . apparently!
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Yes, because I'm sure you watch CSKA Moscow and Russian football on a regular basis.

And I don't care about Zhirkov and Jo. Just because they failed doesn't mean Honda would fail. And I sympathise with Zhirkove, because he was sitting on the bench since he came to Chelsea, and when played he is played out of position.

And Honda played in the Champions League last season for CSKA Moscow and was outstanding, particularly against Inter Milan. Not to mention his World Cup performances which attracted the attention of top sides across Europe. If you play in a poor league, a good way of proving you are quality is doing it on the bigger stages (ie: World Cup or Europe) and Honda has done that.

{Editor's Note: You probably need to read up a little on Zhirkov - he has been injured much of the time, not sitting on the bench.}

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18 Dec 2010 16:58:48
{Editor's Note: Regardless of how much money owners have, it does not mean that they will simply continue to throw cash at the clubs. As for the England job, I guess it was not me who saw your post - and I am afraid that making sense of you comment above is beyond me.}

thats the point ed, spurs are very carefull regarding money and simply will not allow hr to drag them under and as for the other part of the post then you probably need to be the other ed to understand it! !

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18 Dec 2010 16:47:23
Just gone to get the black Liverpool top for my son for crimbo about an hour ago, and I've just seen Robbie Fowler shaking hands with Dalglish and Damien Commolli outside Anfield. Don't know what to make of it, I presume business though. Anyone know what it could be?

Cool! Cant wait for Robbie Fowler to take over! Oh wait, why would it be Comolli and Dalglish and not John Henry and Tom Werner? And I thought Fowler was a player still and watching the ashes. Are you pulling my leg you sneaky so and so you.

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18 Dec 2010 16:35:00
Anyone else sick to the back teeth of Hodgson going on about the 'massive' rebuilding job he faces?
Rebuilding what exactly?
I know our squad isn't the best in terms of quality in depth but come on and the latest one. .
"I had no right to expect them to go out and win games in europe. .etc etc"
THEN WHY THE ##f# DID YOU SEND THEM OUT AT ALL/ YOU ARE THE MANAGER OF LIVERPOOL FC! SEND EM OUT TO WIN EVERY TIME YOU #p##ING WEAPON! !
NESV must surely be fed up of him too.
Joycie

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18 Dec 2010 16:31:45
Not rolling in it harry has spent over £150m at spurs only 2nd to city £200+m

In that case 'Arry could pull of his party piece when he gets the England job. All I say to you is Portsmouth and Southampton. We all know the FA don't have a lot of money, and if 'Arry becomes England manager, well you know what's going to happen!

P.s Ed, have you seen the Harry Redknapp Wheeler Dealer interview on youtube?

{Editor's Note: Only after reading your pos

ed, two points regarding this post, spurs have a huge finacial backing, enic & joe lewis are well in to the billions bracket, as well as JL's other pies inc hollywood. mgm or universal one of those company's he has/ had dealings in, as well as many other companies around the world! also, then there are the other investors at the club as well who have vast fortunes! the fact is, that levy is a very shrewd business man who will not allow the club to free fall, 2nd, i posted to one of the ed's regarding redknapp and the england job and the reasons why he would not be getting the job and advising the ed not to post due to its contents, at the very very best harry will get an interview but not the job ALAN SUGAR ha ! ;)

{Editor's Note: Regardless of how much money owners have, it does not mean that they will simply continue to throw cash at the clubs. As for the England job, I guess it was not me who saw your post - and I am afraid that making sense of you comment above is beyond me.}

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18 Dec 2010 16:30:27
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18 Dec 2010 15:30:46
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Just gone to get the black Liverpool top for my son for crimbo about an hour ago, and I've just seen Robbie Fowler shaking hands with Dalglish and Damien Commolli outside Anfield. Don't know what to make of it, I presume business though. Anyone know what it could be?

You obviously didn't, he's in perth watching the ashes! !
DOH!

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18 Dec 2010 16:27:11
"he couldnt beat a Top 4 team for his life"
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We beat Chelsea didn't we. Actually that was the beginning of the "rough patch" Chelsea has gone through. If Roy did one thing right this year, it was shaking Carlo's, Terry's, Lampard's and Drogba"s faith that they are invincible. That might not mean much to you, but that's a step in the right direction for me.

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18 Dec 2010 16:25:26
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Why is hazzard off the radar if we met the asking price in jan showed the player how much we wanted him tell him about our ambitious plans for the future give him a good contract i know it won't happen but surely this is the type of player and approach we shuld b making? he would b like torres buy for 20 million and double your money when he wants 2 leave in a few years

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18 Dec 2010 16:14:49
Not rolling in it harry has spent over £150m at spurs only 2nd to city £200+m

In that case 'Arry could pull of his party piece when he gets the England job. All I say to you is Portsmouth and Southampton. We all know the FA don't have a lot of money, and if 'Arry becomes England manager, well you know what's going to happen!

P.s Ed, have you seen the Harry Redknapp Wheeler Dealer interview on youtube?

{Editor's Note: Only after reading your pos

ed, two points regarding this post, spurs have a huge finacial backing, enic & joe lewis are well in to the billions bracket, as well as JL's other pies inc hollywood. mgm or universal one of those company's he has/ had dealings in, as well as many other companies around the world! also, then there are the other investors at the club as well who have vast fortunes! the fact is, that levy is a very shrewd business man who will not allow the club to free fall, 2nd, i posted to one of the ed's regarding redknapp and the england job and the reasons why he would not be getting the job and advising the ed not to post due to its contents, at the very very best harry will get an interview but not the job

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18 Dec 2010 16:01:06
All this speculation about a new
striker. i just say in the summer
we should of broke the bank to
get gyan hes looking good for
Sunderland :|
{Editor's Note: Liverpool
enquired about him early last
summer and failed to follow
through.}
we should of tbh. hes looking
really sharp! if you don't get a
striker in jan we are doomed
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mate we desperately need some proper wingers before a striker. We are too narrow atm. What can a striker do if you have the likes of maxi and kuyt, especially considering the 4-4-2 we play these days.

VM YNWA

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18 Dec 2010 16:00:52
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18 Dec 2010 15:46:04
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Dear Lord, please let it be Dein! It'd certainly fit in with the general emulation of Arsenal's business model.

it won't be dein im afraid! his heart is at arsenal and as soon as their is a buy out he will walk back
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Isn't Barwick a self confessed Liverpool fan??

GoodKopBadKop

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18 Dec 2010 15:52:17
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Ed do you think any of the following will sign in jan window?

E. Hazard Lille.
Cazorla Zaragoza.
J. Mata Valencia
A. Johnson City
K. Honda CSKA.
A. Sanchez Udinese
L. Suarez Ajax
P. Mexes Roma
O. Toivanen PSV

If so which ones or who if not why do you think not? I'm hoping for two of the above. Note I only said hope.

{Editor's Note: There is not enough to provide explanations for why players will not arrive - Hazard and Sanchez are well off the radar for example. Possibly Honda could arrive.}

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18 Dec 2010 15:46:24
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ED is there any truth in the n'zogbia rumours apparently were in prelimery talks with him ova a £7m move i n jan? ?

{Editor's Note: There have been rumours but I doubt there have been talks.}

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18 Dec 2010 15:38:10
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Ed why do you doubt that Suarez will be signing in jan. I thought this one was strong rumour and strong possibility. The Ed yesterday said it was likely can you say why you think not so likely?

{Editor's Note: Yesterday it was said it was a possibility - that does not make it likely. If Suarez moves it is more likely that it will be in the Summer rather than in the January window. He will also have other options available to him - and those options will be more attractive than Liverpool.}

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18 Dec 2010 15:08:46
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People need to get real on here saying players like nzogbia, bentley, wright philips are not good enough for Liverpool they are no longer a big club and these players are better than we've got

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18 Dec 2010 14:55:05
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Whilst I understand that Fernando is not firing on all cylinders at the minute, I can't understand anybody wanting him to leave. He remains probably our best player, possibly the most loyal top class striker world wide - could be anywhere now, but is with us. Just look back on any goal he has scored and look at the passion he shows. How anybody could wish the man who scored the greatest goal of all time against Blackburn Rovers would leave doesn't understand Liverpool's ethos at all. We are not a selling team, we need to become a power again and build a team of:

Villas Boas manager; potentially January if results worsen, but probably summer
Suarez,
Sanchez or Hazard
Taiwo (most likely summer)
Mexes (summer too)

I can't say for sure we've been looking at them but our owners and Comolli are shrewd, it would only make sense.
With these changes Torres, and our squad, can challenge again.

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18 Dec 2010 14:54:32
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Team next year;

Kirkland

Baird Skrtel Wheater Konchesky

Bentley Poulsen Cattermole Barton

Carlton Cole Heskey

Manager; Big Sam (if he isn't at Madrid)

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18 Dec 2010 14:50:45
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It's no secret, NESV want to bring in under-valued players, young players and top class players. The under-valued players are to strengthen the squad and are players who's value can be increased. Therefore they can be sold on for a profit if they don't break into first team regulars. That is why we are being linked with players from the Swiss, French and Bundesliga. There are players as good as Young and Elmander for a third of the price. Also explains why we're targetting bosmans. Young players can grow in value in the same way, or could grow to be top class players, hence the links to young english talent like Wickham. Finally there are the top class players. These will probably not rise in value, but Torres shows it is possible. These players have to add instant value to the team. This will be the strategy, so please stop panicking and linking Roy to every Fulham player, it won't work like that. We have a focussed long term strategy now.
RED HERRING

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18 Dec 2010 14:48:52
Not rolling in it harry has spent over £150m at spurs only 2nd to city £200+m

In that case 'Arry could pull of his party piece when he gets the England job. All I say to you is Portsmouth and Southampton. We all know the FA don't have a lot of money, and if 'Arry becomes England manager, well you know what's going to happen!

P.s Ed, have you seen the Harry Redknapp Wheeler Dealer interview on youtube?

{Editor's Note: Only after reading your post.}

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18 Dec 2010 14:48:05
Liverpool Rumours
Konchesky's mum isn't the brightest bulb in the box writing things like that on facebook. i for one will not hold it against the player although it does make me wonder if this isn't an elaborate plan for him to move in january? JRC

{Editor's Note: If it is a plan I would not think it is that elaborate. Certainly not helpful; but just a mother protecting her offspring from the bullies.}

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18 Dec 2010 14:47:53
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What do we think of one Chris Gunter, Forest's young Welsh fullback? With 20+ caps at just 21 years of age, he is surely one for the future. Also very versatile. I have seen him deployed as a right back, left back, and right midfielder. Ed have you seen much of him?
Anfield Rapstar

{Editor's Note: I have seen nothing of the player that I can recall.}

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18 Dec 2010 14:46:43
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"However Paul Konchesky we needed a left back insua has talent but he isn't focused at all and anyway we have fabio and roy had no idea favio was coming back."


Aurelio resigned before Roy brought Konchesky in. . .

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18 Dec 2010 14:29:45
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18 Dec 2010 14:11:33Liverpool RumoursWhy does everyone love Honda. . he is in a poor league and still only looks average at that. What makes you think he will set the pl on fire? I mean just look at JO at city and Yuri Zhirkov, both carried astromnomical transfer fees as they were the next big thing. . apparently!

you can't compare honda to those 2. honda is far better than both of them combined. his movement, vision, distribution, free kicks (tell me someone who can hit a free kick like this guy), striking ability (power and accuracy) are better than most in epl never mind russian league. ok hes not the quickest, he doesn't have to be, hes so comfortable on the ball. bargain at anything under £15m i think

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18 Dec 2010 14:27:50
18 Dec 2010 08:56:32
He must be sacked if they lose today! Andre Villa Boas come on down
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IF WE LOSE TODAY - not they !

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18 Dec 2010 14:26:35
If Honda is signed it will be primarily for commercial gain. If there was a toss up between Honda and say for arguments sake Lionel Messi and hypothetically they were being offered for the same price, it strikes me that if NESV could see more commercial opportunity in Honda they would indeed plumb for Honda.

{EDitor's Note: Fortunately, NESV will not see it that way.}

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The clubs success will come before player shirt sales. There is no bigger money spinner than a successful side.

MUSHROOM

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18 Dec 2010 14:20:42
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Ed, wouldn't you like to see Paul Ince given a go as Liverpool manager and maybe John Aldridge as assistant. I think they would both command the respect of the players. . unlike Roy? {ed's note - no, I don't think he has shown enough to deserve a shot at the Liverpool job.}

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18 Dec 2010 14:20:19
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Firstly Suarez did score 49 goals last season so did Afonso alves in 2007 in the same rubbish Dutch league, were is he now?. As for tevez are you serious? What about mascherano and insua the argies can't settle over here and have no loyalty at all.

just as well suarez is uruguayan the isn't it?

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18 Dec 2010 14:12:13
This is **e***** speaking
so goldenhalls beckham is in line for a lifetime achievement award? makes me h*cking sick that he is still being praised to the hilt the same beckham that had extra marital affairs that were proven and yet him and the young lass still deny he did anything wrong hes a h*cking joke playing in the usa for one thing only the money yet all the apsedockers will be there to see him get his award the media will be getting ready to splash his cheesy grin all over the papers, just imagine if we would have got the world cup it would have been all david beckham won it h*ck wally and the primeminister when are we going to be rid of him and his young lass they live in the usa now so why don't they stay there and give us a break from seeing them here.

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18 Dec 2010 14:11:33
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Why does everyone love Honda. . he is in a poor league and still only looks average at that. What makes you think he will set the pl on fire? I mean just look at JO at city and Yuri Zhirkov, both carried astromnomical transfer fees as they were the next big thing. . apparently!

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18 Dec 2010 14:07:37
Alan Hansen for manager!

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18 Dec 2010 14:04:42
To the guy from new Zealand if no one posted there comments on who we should sign or who we should get rid of there would be no point of having this site because there would be nothing on here. It is a rumour and banter site so what else should we put on?

LAVERS

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18 Dec 2010 13:55:01
Editor you mentioned earlier that Santi Cazorla is not a priority could I ask why? No disrespect but I believe he is a genuine winger with the ability to play on both flanks, this is something Liverpool are missing big time, and therefore I think he should be a high priority come january.

{Editor's Note: He very much prefers the right side - this has been a common theme of his interviews.}

As of late Dirk Kuyt or Raul Meireles have been playing on the right. Are either of them wingers? The answer is no. Liverpool are crying for width Cazorla would certainly provide this.

{Editor's Note: And Kuyt has played there and Joe Cole could play there and Gerrard has played there in the past - my point being that a left winger should come first.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:52:26
Lets all just remember where our new owners come from. If your all content with the American way and you can trust a bunch of investors who's ethos comes straight out of the free market bible consistent with the Margaret Thatcher approach to business, then so be it.

Just bear in mind how this sort of business operates, greasing palms and contracts for the boys club. Just remember that Martin Broughton was instructed by Barclays Capital to find a suitable buyer. From all accounts there were 5 interested parties. The other four were dismissed for reasons we'll never know.

NESV pledged to buy LFC without any acquisition debt and so they did but they have also openly said they will be financing any new stadium/ upgrading of Anfield. Its common knowledge that John Henry's big muckers with Bob Diamond, who coincidently heads up Barclays Capital. Barclays capital are in the business of lending money for a return. It maybe purely conjecture but it strikes me that Mr Henry may have either intimated or even entered into an agreement in principal to utilise Barclays Capital for any financing of a new stadium. If that were the case during the bidding process, Henry most certainly would have been the ideal proposal from Barclays Capitals point of view, primarily in order to secure future business and secondly securing business with a blue chip covenant. Without knowing the merits of the other proposals, how can we be so sure that NESV are right for Liverpool FC and were the best proposal for Liverpool FC?

To you die hard fans, these are business people interested in a return on their money. With no interest payments to service, it is common knowledge that LFC is a healthy going concern and the price they paid would seem very favourable if you approach the valuation by capitalising annual profits, assuming normal accounting patterns. The jury's out for me but 12 months from now I'd be over the moon to be proven wrong.

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18 Dec 2010 13:40:06
Dont cry your heart out because the manager isn't good enough for you, Scream until your lungs bleed so the players know you're behind them, From Pepe to Poulsen, Cheering the best players in our squad and booing the worst players in the squad has a profound effect on those players, Booing them is hardly going to make them play out of their skins for us. They are people after all.

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I know everyone has the right to an opinion, but this guy should surely be put in a mental asylum. Roy will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever (etc., ) going to be even good enough to be the ballboy for this club. He can't win away games, he can't play attacking football, he can't use our best players in their best positions, he couldnt beat a Top 4 team for his life, he shuts up shop against BLACKPOOL - when WE'RE 1-0 DOWN, all he does is depress our players, he makes a fool of himself, the club and the fans regularly at press conferences, he moans and rambles and talks about how good we were in post-match interviews after we've lost to some mediocre team, he verbally attacked our previous manager for no particular reason and he's best mates with Ferguson. It couldnt get any worse, really.
He has in no way done a good job at this club in his 5 months here, my dog could have done a better job than him - and he's been dead for 6 years!
Im sorry for the rant, I just find it appalling someone could get behind this nutter - and say we should get behind Poulsen.

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18 Dec 2010 13:37:13
Liverpool Rumours
Editor you mentioned earlier that Santi Cazorla is not a priority could I ask why? No disrespect but I believe he is a genuine winger with the ability to play on both flanks, this is something Liverpool are missing big time, and therefore I think he should be a high priority come january.

{Editor's Note: He very much prefers the right side - this has been a common theme of his interviews.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:37:00
Liverpool Rumours
Ed could you provide me with a list of possible roumers that may actually come through? thanks :)

{Editor's Note: I cannot summarize the content of the site - you need to read it.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:33:42
Sorry ed, I meant is the snow so bad the game had to be called off?

{Editor's Note: I guess it is.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:27:21
18 Dec 2010 13:22:53
Liverpool Rumours
All this speculation about a new striker. i just say in the summer we should of broke the bank to get gyan hes looking good for Sunderland :|

{Editor's Note: Liverpool enquired about him early last summer and failed to follow through.}

we should of tbh. hes looking really sharp! if you don't get a striker in jan we are doomed

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18 Dec 2010 13:22:53
Liverpool Rumours
All this speculation about a new striker. i just say in the summer we should of broke the bank to get gyan hes looking good for Sunderland :|

{Editor's Note: Liverpool enquired about him early last summer and failed to follow through.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:20:22
Ever Banega V Yann M'Vila, *EDITOR* if you had the choice who would you choose and why? My choice would be Banega because he can spread play with precision passing aswell as being a tough tackler.

Believable: Banega
Unbelievable: M'Vila

{Editor's Note: It is sadly a fantasy football type scenario. Both are fine players and either would be an improvement.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:20:10
Liverpool Rumours
In response to the claim that postponing Liverpool's home fixture against Fulham is 'ridiculous', might I ask how those of us who travel further than our living rooms to watch the reds would have been able to attend if the match had gone ahead? Many of us are snowed in.

Red Owl

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18 Dec 2010 13:19:59
Liverpool Rumours
18 Dec 2010 09:44:10
Liverpool Rumours
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

Moreover, i'm starting to get the impression that NESV don't understand football. Unfortunatley, there is a need in the modern game to stump up the wedge if you want the right players. Outlining acquisition criteria similarly to pension fund management doesn't sit right in football.

NESV need to realise that a comprehensive injection of capital in players is required now in order to propell the team back into championship contention and champions league football. Maybe then will they be able to implement their investment strategy as the quality players around the globe may then want to come to a succesful club.

They are running the risk of pushing us further into mid table stagnation. We have quality players in Gerrard, Reina and Torres but they're all coming of age and maybe have another good 3 seasons in them until we have a Carragher situation emerging.
What happens then with no second string in the background? NESV need to realise sharpish that success in this sport means dishing out the ackers and they need to do it sharpish.
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SO now before the January transfer window you are starting to slate our new owners, This is before they have even done anything apart from appoint a mangerial staff, We don't even have a CEO, because they are taking their time to be thorough about it. IT may well be new ground for them, but do you really think after 2 n ahalf months, you should be formulating an opinion of them? Do you want an owner like Mansour whos going throw money at the club? IF we had an owner like Mansour we would lose all our reputation and credibility as a club.

NESV are doing it liverpool way, Where everything is behind closed doors. No longer do I open up a newspaper to find that there are more arguments going on within the Liverpool Board room, everything is hush hush.

IF you can not see what NESV have already done to the club, then you are a disgrace.

As for all the people calling for Hodgons head. We should be up there battling for the championship, or at least in contention. We finished 6th/ 7th last year under Rafa and already Roy has managed to get more out of 2 players than Rafa did, Lucas and Babel, Lucas has come on leaps and bounds in the last 6 months, Babel, sadly is a slow/ none starter. The difference in the two players is that lucas has had much more playing time that Babel which is why I think Roy is giving him some games to show what he can do. We all know what Babel is capable of and even though near enough everybody wants him to go, We'd all love him to turn that corner and play like we all know he could play like.

I feel Roy has done a good job with liverpool in his 6 months of tenure, Its never easy taking over a team that's on the decline and turning them around, We don't have that much creativity in the middle of the park, which is why Torres isn't banging them in left, right and centre.

Stick by Roy until Tom Werner feels enough is enough. No doubt everyone will have complaints about whoever the new manager would be then anyway.

Proper rumours about the club? I play enough football manager to realise that the players i've bought arent going to be the players that the club buys, I'd be shocked if they did.

Dont expect any world class players to be bought in January, We aren't in the Champions League and 80% probability that we aren't going to be in it next season either. Players with ambition and that edge that makes them brilliant only want Champions League. and are likely to turn down Liverpool in favour of Tottenham, or garaunteed football under the other 3.

Dont cry your heart out because the manager isn't good enough for you, Scream until your lungs bleed so the players know you're behind them, From Pepe to Poulsen, Cheering the best players in our squad and booing the worst players in the squad has a profound effect on those players, Booing them is hardly going to make them play out of their skins for us. They are people after all.

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18 Dec 2010 13:17:40
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

All I say is this; remember Raul Meireles. He signed without the press or the fans knowing about it. Commolli is not going to come out and state which players he likes, or what money there is to spend

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we couldn't attract a bee with honey let alone anyone worth signing just a side not tho who has ever seen Honda play i think he's gonna be the next ja sung park (sorry spelling) just a image thing for money in land of the raising sun none had heard of him then all a sudden he is the next big thing and Liverpool are hot on his heels im sorry but alarm bells have started ringing why are we really signing Honda? (Anything you wonna add ed

ramythered


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If Honda is signed it will be primarily for commercial gain. If there was a toss up between Honda and say for arguments sake Lionel Messi and hypothetically they were being offered for the same price, it strikes me that if NESV could see more commercial opportunity in Honda they would indeed plumb for Honda.

{EDitor's Note: Fortunately, NESV will not see it that way.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:16:56
Liverpool Rumours
Stuff the fact wiv people thinkig we should go and spend 100m every window when we clearly don't need to

jan outs

babel-7m
insua-4m
agger-15m(never fit)

TOTAL-26M

the owners give us 25m then we would have a good transfer kitty of 51m

jan ins

jarvis-6m
suarez-13m/ benzema-15m
payet-10m
benega-10m

TOTAL 41M max

starting 11

. . . . . . . . . . . .reina. . . . . . . . . . .

johnson. . . kelly. . .wilson. . . .aurellio

jarvis. . . gerrard. . .benega. . payet. .

. . . .torres. . suarez/ benzema. .

quality team with a mixture of experience and youth
and some much needed attacking pace

SUMMER OUTS

WOY HODGESON
jovanovic-7m(not worth wages)
g.johnson-14m(not worth wages)
j.cole-6m(not worth wages)
soto-2m
skrtel-7m
konk-2m
poulson-3m
kuyt-12m
aqualani-15m
maxi-5m
deadwood-15m

TOTAL-88M and half the squad listed we just don't play or do we need

summer ins
PUEL-BOAS-DI MATTEO
sakho-12m
van der viel-10m
clyne-2m
mata-16m
llorente-25m
martinez-14m
taiwo(free)
srna(free)
wickham-8m

TOTAL 87M this would then give us quality cover in the squad

summer line up with all the purchases

. . . . . . . . . . .reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

srna. . . .sakho. . .ayala. . . . taiwo. . .
viel. . . . kelly. . . .wilson. . . .mavinga

mata. . .benega. . .gerrard. . .payet. . . . .
. . . . martinez. shelvey. .meireles.

. . . . . . . . .torres. .llorente. . . . .
.suarez/ benzema. . . llorente. . . . torres

this squad is achievable but it will seem a bit optimistic

what do you think about this ed?

{Editor's NOte: I really don't see much of it being achievable I am afraid. Many of the players mentioned would not want to move to Liverpool.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:12:33
Liverpool Rumours
I live in New Zealand and have supported LFC since i first kicked a football and struggle to understand why half of the people on here actually bother posting. It's get rid of this player, sign that player. SHOCKING. It's obvious we are in a transition, the new owners are finding there feet the manager is finding his feet, the players are adjusting. How about you idiots who OBVOUSLY don't know what is going on stop talking crap and do what i am envious of you doing and go to Anfield and put some belief into the players. the squad will improve if you give them a chance and the reality is miracles do not happen overnight. We all want LFC to do well but the reality is we need to be patient. Do we want a team of money hungry knobs or do we want a team, a SQUAD that will compete and put us back in the top echelon consistently for the next 20, 30. . 100 years. This isn't the 80's anymore you need a strong SQUAD to compete and it will come over time not right now. Nobody who comments on this site has a right to say who we should or shouldn't sign otherwise you would be managing the team. Get a grip people time is the greatest judge. I only hope I get the oppotunity to be in the Kop one day and support the only team i love.

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18 Dec 2010 13:12:11
Liverpool Rumours
Ever Banega V Yann M'Vila, if you had the choice who would you choose and why? My choice would be Banega because he can spread play with precision passing aswell as being a tough tackler.

Believable: Banega
Unbelievable: M'Vila

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18 Dec 2010 13:10:35
Liverpool Rumours
Wat do u think on chances of honda SANTI CARZOLA and suarez coming in jan ed?

{Editor's Note: There have been strong rumours over Honda; Carzola much prefers playing on the right even though he is left footed - and should not be a priority; Suarez very unlikely.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:10:21
Ed, are you from Liverpool and if u are how much snow really is there?

{Editor's Note: meto.gov.uk - I would generally check the Met Office web site for weather reports rather than a football rumours site.}

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18 Dec 2010 13:09:36
Liverpool Rumours
We should only let Torres go if he is not happy playing for us, as for his form that will return.
Nzogbia looks like a done deal at £9m
£18m for one of Gomez or Falcao as Benzema is overpriced

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18 Dec 2010 13:08:30
I remember the 2001 f a cup.
I allso remember the same player
leaving us at the last second and
leaving us in the lurch.
soul man

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18 Dec 2010 12:59:28
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Liverpool Rumours
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

All I say is this; remember Raul Meireles. He signed without the press or the fans knowing about it. Commolli is not going to come out and state which players he likes, or what money there is to spend

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we couldn't attract a bee with honey let alone anyone worth signing just a side not tho who has ever seen Honda play i think he's gonna be the next ja sung park (sorry spelling) just a image thing for money in land of the raising sun none had heard of him then all a sudden he is the next big thing and Liverpool are hot on his heels im sorry but alarm bells have started ringing why are we really signing Honda? (Anything you wonna add ed

ramythered

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18 Dec 2010 12:56:29
Liverpool Rumours
NESV are a group of investors right? Are we sure that it is not all a smokescreen and that G&H aren't primary investors? Would explain their reluctance to get Hodgson on his bike.

{Editor's Note: It was bound to come out in the end.}

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18 Dec 2010 12:52:44
Liverpool Rumours
Song to Roy Hodgson:-

We've already said, "Goodbye."
Since you gotta go,
Oh, you better go now.

Go now, go now, (go now, )
(Go.) Before you see me cry.
I don't want you to tell me,
Just what you intend to do now.
'Cause how many times
I have to tell you,
Hodgy Bodgy,
You haven't a clue
But you are sticking like glue
Wo-oh oh-oh oh.

We've already said, "So long."
(We want want to see you go.)
(Oh, you had better go now.)

Go now, go now, (go now.)
(Ooo-ooo.)
Don't you even try
Tellin' me that you really
We want it to end this way. Yay-ay.
'Cause, Hodgy, Bodgy
Can't you see I want you to GO NOW !

Hermanolobo

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18 Dec 2010 12:50:09
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I can't understand why we keep getting linked with centre backs. Such as hangeland. We have so many: carragher, kyriakos (spelling), skrtel, agger, Wilson and Kelly. Not to count some very decent reserves. They may not be performing great at the moment, but they can be brilliant.

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18 Dec 2010 12:49:16
If Nando wants to leave in the summer, this might happen:

-Tevez to Madrid
-Torres to City for Adam Johnson +£35m
-Hulk to LFC for £15m-£18m
-Llorente to LFC:£23m£25m
-Benzema to Spurs
-Dzeko to City

I don't want to see Torres go, but if he wants to, that's damn fantastic deal.City will be more than keen.They'll probably also sign Dzeko.And with Madrid getting Tevez, Barca skint, Abramavich ceasing to spend big, the way is pretty much clear for us to get both Hulk and Llorente.

So folks, if come summer, Torres and Tevez want out, we could really have a field day.
It's a deal that will appeal to us as it will to City.
City replaces Adaboyar and Tevez Dzeko and an even better finisher in Torres, we get the best winger in England (who, btw, fits in with NESV's vision), and £35m, which we can augment by about £15m-£20m and go buy the world class Hulk and Llorente.

Brilliant I say.What you think Ed?Would you be happy to lose Nando for A Johnson and Hulk and Llorente?Be honest mate.

{Editor's Note: Losing Torres and getting Johnson, Hulk and Llorente works for me.}

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18 Dec 2010 12:33:00
Hey ed i was just wondering wat do you think of Richard dunne?
Im irish and i couldnt believe when city sold him to villa for a few million. .anyways i heard that him and houllier had a fallen out at training and could be available for next to nothing!
Im all for bringing wilson and kelly through but i think they might b a bit lightweight yet.I remember a few seasons back wen agger first came and he used to get shrugged off the ball easily by drogba and i fear the same might happen to kelly and wilson especially at center back!Hes great in the air and could replace skrtel!
My team in jan
. . . . . . Reina. . . . . .
Johnson. . . Dunne. . Agger. . Taiwo
. . . . Gerrard. . Meireles. .Lucas.
. . . .Suarez. Torres. . Honda
I think this is a very realistic team but would cost about 30 million but could be funded by the sales of babel, maxi, kuyt, maybe cole, jovanovic

{Editor's Note: I would not want Richard Dunne at all - and he has to be at least 30 now. There is no way that Taiwo will be moving to Liverpool in January, nor Suarez in all probability.}

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18 Dec 2010 11:49:00
Firstly Suarez did score 49 goals last season so did Afonso alves in 2007 in the same rubbish Dutch league, were is he now?. As for tevez are you serious? What about mascherano and insua the argies can't settle over here and have no loyalty at all.

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18 Dec 2010 11:40:39
Liverpool Rumours
I for one would like to thank Mrs Konchesky. Anything that may bring forward the departure of one of the worst players we have ever signed, can only be a good thing. Someone said his second touch is a tackle! too true!

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18 Dec 2010 11:38:46
18 Dec 2010 11:17:00
Liverpool Rumours
Editor what is your take on these rumours of n'zogbia or insonyia, i don't think he would be a good signign at all but i want to know how you see it and do you think it is likely. and also editor do you think that posponing the match could be a good benefit for us as we will be able to see what we neeed to do next match and we should expect to see gerrard start the next fixture.

{Editor's Note: N'Zogbia is a decent player who can also provide cover at left back. However, I don't see him being good enough to play at the highest level and I really don't see him adding anything to the Liverpool squad.}

me14

ED ill be happy with honda and suarez in january unless we sell players too like johnson then we need RB

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18 Dec 2010 11:37:17
18 Dec 2010 11:16:14
18 Dec 2010 11:03:10
Anyone remember the 2001 f.a cup final?. Liverpool beat arsenal 2-1, both goals from Owen. So what's my point?. . We were absolutely played of the park that day however we had a top class striker not a foreign prima doña. To sum up you can get away with an average team so long as you have a genuine world class goal scorer. Torres is clearly not the answer nor is tevez, Suarez, ronaldinho and all the other carp were linked with. The answer lies a lot closer to home and currently plays at st James park. .Andy Carroll and while were on get his mate Nolan aswell.

u trying to keep us in the midtable ha , , , we need player like suarez, , , last season 49 goals in 48 games more than any other striker in europe, , , and hes young which is what the new owners want for liverpool, and tevez is an amazing player so how u can call him carp i don't know

i typed c.a.r.p and it brings out carp lol why? ?

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18 Dec 2010 11:36:33
Anyone remember the 2001 f.a cup final?. Liverpool beat arsenal 2-1, both goals from Owen. So what's my point?. . We were absolutely played of the park that day however we had a top class striker not a foreign prima doña. To sum up you can get away with an average team so long as you have a genuine world class goal scorer. Torres is clearly not the answer nor is tevez, Suarez, ronaldinho and all the other carp were linked with. The answer lies a lot closer to home and currently plays at st James park. .Andy Carroll and while were on get his mate Nolan aswell.i don't think football agents shud be allowed to comment on this site, andy carrol over torres, tevez an suarez ha ha ha ha i hope hies payin u good money
what an idiot !

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18 Dec 2010 11:32:19
Liverpool Rumours
Striker this an striker that, bollox we've got an abundance, they're are all young an maybe not ready to be first team regulars, but have the class to step up at sometime

what we need is for torres to stop hukin sulkin, if he doesn't wanna play for the manager then play for the fans

we also need a top i mean TOP QUALITY right winger to feed torres i mean a NON SULKY torres

kuyt as backup, this guy can score wen played central hes proved it time an time again wiv goals to pull us outta the s* t

as i said with jus one world class winger it could change the teams fortunes around( also depends on woy playin decent football)

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18 Dec 2010 11:32:13
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OK so a lot of people don't want Suarez because of his handball and biting incidents. Then alot of people want Xabi back with us, what about the time wasting incident where he deliberatly got himself booked to make sure he wasnt suspended for the next stage of the Champions League?

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18 Dec 2010 11:24:41
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Torres does need service and carzola, and suarez would provide it even pacheco looked like a good partner for him last year, when he came on they had good passing moves, and against utrecht him and cole linked up well, my team i would pick for next match would be:

GK:Pepe Reina
LB:Fabio Aurelio
CB:Martin Skrtel
CB:Martin Kelly
RB:Glen Johnson
LM:Dani Pacheco
CM:Raul Meireles
CM:Steven Gerrard
RM:Maxi Rodriguez
AM:Joe Cole
ST:Fernando Torres

Me14

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18 Dec 2010 11:24:34
18 Dec 2010 10:52:29
{ed's note - also if Torres gets the ball and is isolated, with no one within 20 yards to play a pass too, is it his fault if he loses the ball? Because to me that would be the fault of the tactics.}

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As much as I disagree with the tactics too, surely a player of Torres ability can pass a ball more than 20 yards? OK it will be backwards.

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: Sure, but I think you must see the point that a certain amount of support is needed. And fowards is rather better than backwards.}

to me the tactics r all wrong too lol no one is there supporting torres, everyone is told to get back, , cole the other night hes a winger and was basically in defence most the night, , , if he could go any further back that night there woulda been 2 goal keepers, , , to me we need to adopt a barca style tactics once we get a few good attacking players, , , they use the saying attack is the best form of defence, , , score, score, score aslong as u score more than the other team ur fine, , aslong as u keep the ball in there side of the pitch ur fine, , , the more u pen teams in the more there strikers get frustrated cos there stuck there doing nothing, , , and then they come back to help out in defence, , roy seriously doesn't know attacking minded tactics hes used to having to defend

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18 Dec 2010 11:24:20
{Editor's Note: Right - so perhaps Honda playing off Torres might just be a decent solution?}

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I would prefer Honda on the wing and Llorente up front with Torres. But if Honda is our only signing then yes absolutely. Torres needs help up front and Kuyt/ Ngog/ Babel are not the answers.

MUSHROOM

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18 Dec 2010 11:22:55
Not rolling in it harry has spent over £150m at spurs only 2nd to city £200+m

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18 Dec 2010 11:17:00
Liverpool Rumours
Editor what is your take on these rumours of n'zogbia or insonyia, i don't think he would be a good signign at all but i want to know how you see it and do you think it is likely. and also editor do you think that posponing the match could be a good benefit for us as we will be able to see what we neeed to do next match and we should expect to see gerrard start the next fixture.

{Editor's Note: N'Zogbia is a decent player who can also provide cover at left back. However, I don't see him being good enough to play at the highest level and I really don't see him adding anything to the Liverpool squad.}

me14

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18 Dec 2010 11:16:14
18 Dec 2010 11:03:10
Anyone remember the 2001 f.a cup final?. Liverpool beat arsenal 2-1, both goals from Owen. So what's my point?. . We were absolutely played of the park that day however we had a top class striker not a foreign prima doña. To sum up you can get away with an average team so long as you have a genuine world class goal scorer. Torres is clearly not the answer nor is tevez, Suarez, ronaldinho and all the other carp were linked with. The answer lies a lot closer to home and currently plays at st James park. .Andy Carroll and while were on get his mate Nolan aswell.

u trying to keep us in the midtable ha , , , we need player like suarez, , , last season 49 goals in 48 games more than any other striker in europe, , , and hes young which is what the new owners want for liverpool, and tevez is an amazing player so how u can call him carp i don't know

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18 Dec 2010 11:15:48
Liverpool Rumours
Does anyone know for certain whether the game today has been called off?

Could all the games be called off until February 1st, or preferably, August 1st! We may stand a chance then!

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18 Dec 2010 11:11:21
I fail to agree to this in regards to pumping money into a club just for success? Look at Bolton/ Spurs etc, not rolling in it but are doing well due to having a good manager(relationship with players) and commited players etc. No amount of money can bring success. It will only attract GREEDY players hence Citeh etc. We just have to be patient.
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Money CAN bring success, though excessive amounts of it lead to greediness among the squad and the formation of cliques - see Man City.
You should look at Spurs spending over the past few years. It's actually very surprising. For the past 2-3 years or so, their squad has cost more their and yet they've done nothing of note up until they fluked it into the CL. Plus, they've got a manager that leaves clubs that then 'mysteriously' go into administration) to "guide" them through this big-spending period. Wouldn't want to be Spurs at the moment.

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18 Dec 2010 11:09:24
Liverpool Rumours
Torres swap for a johnson and richards? what do you think bout tht ed? {ed's note - so we would go from having one top class striker to none? No thanks, that would put us in serious danger of being relegated. Only reason to make that move is if we signed two strikers first, otherwise it is a terrible deal for us.}

i do agree with u there ed, but kuyt can go up front, its his natural position and cmon relegation? maybe out of the euro zone but not a chance we will be relegated ;)

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18 Dec 2010 11:07:35
Liverpool Rumours
Lets be honest thr Torres problem has happened since the world cup he was woeful in it, since then he has stayed s* t. He clearly isn't as good as before. now personally i think in the summer we should let money bags city believe we will sell him 4 100 mill & coz there thick they would do it.ANYWAY BRING IN HONDA HE IS CLASS

{Editor's Note: I think your 100M expectation is a little high - almost regardless of currency.}

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18 Dec 2010 11:05:08
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18 Dec 2010 10:51:32
Does anyone know for certain whether the game today has been called off?

{Editor's Note: It has indeed been called off.}

which is rediculous, the pitch is fine to play on they said

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18 Dec 2010 11:04:04
Liverpool Rumours
Now that the game is off ROY will spend the day showing DEMPSEY&HENGELAND around ANFIELD as all FULLHAM players to spend the night in Liverpool due to the weather

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18 Dec 2010 11:03:10
Anyone remember the 2001 f.a cup final?. Liverpool beat arsenal 2-1, both goals from Owen. So what's my point?. . We were absolutely played of the park that day however we had a top class striker not a foreign prima doña. To sum up you can get away with an average team so long as you have a genuine world class goal scorer. Torres is clearly not the answer nor is tevez, Suarez, ronaldinho and all the other carp were linked with. The answer lies a lot closer to home and currently plays at st James park. .Andy Carroll and while were on get his mate Nolan aswell.

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18 Dec 2010 11:00:31
{Editor's Note: Sure, but I think you must see the point that a certain amount of support is needed. And fowards is rather better than backwards.}

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Abolutely. We had a famous bloke that once said "Attack is the best form of defence". He did alright with those tactics.

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: Right - so perhaps Honda playing off Torres might just be a decent solution?}

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18 Dec 2010 10:59:58
Liverpool Rumours
Does anyone know for certain whether the game today has been called off?

{Editor's Note: It has indeed been called off.}


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18 Dec 2010 10:59:33
Liverpool Rumours
Not a rumour but if honda joined will we finally attack instead of playing defensive. game is off which is good can't leave the house ATM LOL god dam snow

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18 Dec 2010 10:58:09
{ed's note - surely the players are playing badly because the manager is not utilising them correctly? I mean how can an attacking player play at his best when he is being told to drop deep and not attack?}

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I understand what you are saying Ed the tactics are all wrong, but tactics do not stop you from being able to pass or control a ball. Tactics should not stop a player from giving his all whether the player agrees with them or not. Take Stevie G for example, he hated playing wide right and at sometimes he has covered right back, he played brilliantly in those positions and still tried for the team.

MUSHROOM

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18 Dec 2010 10:53:40
18 Dec 2010 10:41:58
Liverpool Rumours
I personally will only believe these players rumours as and when they are paraded on LFC WEBSITE WITH THE SHIRT on standing next to the manager.

Lee73

{Editor's Note: They sort of cease to become rumours at that point. Until then they are simply speculation - or indeed rumours.}

lol Sorry Ed i mean't "have signed".

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18 Dec 2010 10:52:29
{ed's note - also if Torres gets the ball and is isolated, with no one within 20 yards to play a pass too, is it his fault if he loses the ball? Because to me that would be the fault of the tactics.}

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As much as I disagree with the tactics too, surely a player of Torres ability can pass a ball more than 20 yards? OK it will be backwards.

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: Sure, but I think you must see the point that a certain amount of support is needed. And fowards is rather better than backwards.}

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18 Dec 2010 10:51:32
Does anyone know for certain whether the game today has been called off?

{Editor's Note: It has indeed been called off.}

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18 Dec 2010 10:48:48
18 Dec 2010 10:31:35
Liverpool Rumours
Todays match postponed.

Roy lives to fight another day! lol

Lee73

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18 Dec 2010 10:41:58
Liverpool Rumours
I personally will only believe these players rumours as and when they are paraded on LFC WEBSITE WITH THE SHIRT on standing next to the manager.

Lee73

{Editor's Note: They sort of cease to become rumours at that point. Until then they are simply speculation - or indeed rumours.}

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18 Dec 2010 10:34:01
Liverpool Rumours
Oh! the game has been called off. :(
ed, what do you think, who is going to be sold in january or loaned out. And ur thoughts about january possibilities in transfer market. . thanks

{Editor's Note: I really don't know other than what has been posted before. There must be a chance of Honda.}

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18 Dec 2010 10:34:00
No you don't blair. believe me you truly don't hate the man, you may dislike what he says and does, you may disagree with his decisions, his rabbit trapped in the headlights dealing with the media. but you don't hate the man.
We are better than that, lots of people on here bang on about the liverpool way. but its still there, and part of this is when we play another team who play wonderful football and beat us. and we clap them off the pitch, we show appreciation for football played the way it should be played by whomever.

So yes dislike him, his tactics etc, the things he says, but don't hate him, because that damages you much more than him.

ok. sermon over


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Thanks for the sermon Chris i needed that mate i've no valium left.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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Now for the arm around the other shoulder. . Hate is a very powerful emotion and should not be used lightly. Hate will make you bitter and twisted and make others hate you. Hate alienates and causes a lot of negativity. Be joyous in the fact that you are part of the LFC family. This is a blip in our magnificent history and one which many lessons will be learned. This will make us stronger.

Peace be with you

MUSHROOM

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18 Dec 2010 10:33:18
Liverpool Rumours
Games called off playing conditions r fine, but they called it off cos weather in liverpool cos fans safety, well i say play the game with or without the fans, let the fans decide if they wanna travel or not. . as far as im concerned the game should still play if the pitch is fine for them to play on. its only one game the fans will miss not like its a whole season they miss out on

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18 Dec 2010 10:31:35
Liverpool Rumours
Todays match postponed.

Spriggo

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18 Dec 2010 10:29:18
Liverpool Rumours
FULLHAM GAME OFF

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18 Dec 2010 10:29:16
Liverpool Rumours
Re this post:
18 Dec 2010 09:44:10
Liverpool Rumours
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

Moreover, i'm starting to get the impression that NESV don't understand football. Unfortunatley, there is a need in the modern game to stump up the wedge if you want the right players. Outlining acquisition criteria similarly to pension fund management doesn't sit right in football.

NESV need to realise that a comprehensive injection of capital in players is required now in order to propell the team back into championship contention and champions league football. Maybe then will they be able to implement their investment strategy as the quality players around the globe may then want to come to a succesful club.

They are running the risk of pushing us further into mid table stagnation. We have quality players in Gerrard, Reina and Torres but they're all coming of age and maybe have another good 3 seasons in them until we have a Carragher situation emerging.
What happens then with no second string in the background? NESV need to realise sharpish that success in this sport means dishing out the ackers and they need to do it sharpish.

I fail to agree to this in regards to pumping money into a club just for success? Look at Bolton/ Spurs etc, not rolling in it but are doing well due to having a good manager(relationship with players) and commited players etc. No amount of money can bring success. It will only attract GREEDY players hence Citeh etc. We just have to be patient.

Lee73

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18 Dec 2010 10:28:15
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

Moreover, i'm starting to get the impression that NESV don't understand football. Unfortunatley, there is a need in the modern game to stump up the wedge if you want the right players. Outlining acquisition criteria similarly to pension fund management doesn't sit right in football.

NESV need to realise that a comprehensive injection of capital in players is required now in order to propell the team back into championship contention and champions league football. Maybe then will they be able to implement their investment strategy as the quality players around the globe may then want to come to a succesful club.

They are running the risk of pushing us further into mid table stagnation. We have quality players in Gerrard, Reina and Torres but they're all coming of age and maybe have another good 3 seasons in them until we have a Carragher situation emerging.
What happens then with no second string in the background? NESV need to realise sharpish that success in this sport means dishing out the ackers and they need to do it sharpish.

Some good points raised here. I just want to say that I think NESV will come good they as a grioup are very wealthy but they won't waste money. Expect signings to be confirmed in January but they'll be freebies for next season. With regards to age of players reina is a pup in terms of keepers ages. he'll be at the top level for another decade at least. I'd love them to splash 200 mil in january but i think that figure will be 20 mil on 3 players and 4 or 5 frees such as urby emmanuelson, steven piennar. I agree they don't understand football, but they understand sport as a business, ie honda exploiting asian market. They will come good brother, we must have faith in them, they will get it right

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Lets hope so buddy, its just that i'm very sceptical about the American free market model and their marketing spin. With the acquistion criteria they've placed on transfer authorisation, it strikes me that we could concievably lose out on a a class footballer because an alternative 'run of the mill' player presents a more favourable merchandising return because he comes from a well populated area in outer space!

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18 Dec 2010 10:26:56
Liverpool Rumours
{Editor's Note: Cazorla remains a maybe - but he does not play in a position which needs immediate attention. Suarez seems unlikely, but possible, certainly in January.}

suarez isn't unlikely as we know he wants out of ajax and wants a move to england, , hes r best option of a great partner for torres, im sure we can pursuade that there is a big future for him at liverpool and for liverpool coming, , i don't care bout him biting that player he scores goals that's alls i care about from a striker

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18 Dec 2010 10:24:49
If i had a choice mate i'd take a swap deal with City (were i think he'll end up) and ask for Adebeyor, A.Johnson and maybe 15-20 mill for another striker.

Before anyone says i'm talking balls as usual remember City have always wanted Torres. Torres probably wants to go to City and A.Johnson and Adebeyor both want regular 1st team fooball.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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Blair Mayne you are talking balls ;o) Why the hell would you want Adebeyor? he sulks more than my little kids.
If Torres leaves, I think it will be for Spain. I don't think he will join another Prem club personally.

MUSHROOM

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18 Dec 2010 10:21:40
Why are you talking about interceptions now? If Torres gets the ball and loses it of course its his fault. But the job of the wingers and midfielders are to create chances for the strikers, and they aren't doing that. When a striker gets no service, he won't score as often.

Look buddy, we obviously disagree on the issue and we'll never agree. And I'm sure many more like us disagree on exactly the same topic. We'll agree on one thing, we want what's best for our club, and we both want Torres back to his best and banging them in again.

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Although I agree with a lot of what you said, there is one thing I disagree with. . . . .What wingers?

MUSHROOM {ed's note - also if Torres gets the ball and is isolated, with no one within 20 yards to play a pass too, is it his fault if he loses the ball? Because to me that would be the fault of the tactics.}

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18 Dec 2010 10:19:42
Liverpool Rumours
Hi ed I put the post on bout getting Richards and Johnson. Personally I don't think we should get rid of torres as I think it would be a big mistake, the guy is world class and I can't believe people want rid. He's probably pissed off with playing with sh*t players so instead of selling him we buy other world class players to play with him. It's just people have said he would probably go city as they have unlimited money so id rather have Richards to replace g Johnson then a Johnson for the wing and 20-30 million cash to buy another striker because I wouldn't want adebayor. We would also have the money from the g Johnson sale 10-15 million to get someone for the left wing.

LAVERS

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18 Dec 2010 10:16:09
{Editor's Note: Before we kick off a hate campaign to get the owners removed, we need to recognise that (a) they have only been with the club for a few months and they will still be finding their way around a figuring out which advice is good advice; (b) the transfer window has been shut whilst they have been here so they have not had an opportunity to be part of the process to improve the team; (c) January is never a major rebuilding window, so don't expect significant changes, perhaps some minor tweaking and improvements; and most importantly (d) do not expect the owners to throw vast funds at buying players - it will be a managed and responsible process - not a Manchester City style spending spree.}

Ed:- there's two ways of looking at the Manchester City style spending spree and I suppose that decision can be made come the end of the season. However, at this stage they're certainly there challenging and I personally consider that they have the greater strength in depth to go on and win the league. Manchester City were where we are now before the 'drunken sailer' type spender binge. However, they do now appear to be on the cusp of success so in my eyes the financial injection in players has yielded rewards. Some people may say it was financial madness but they did what they needed too to get the right players and put the foundations in place. Very much similar to Chelsea. Its not my preferred way of going forward but considering Peter Beardsley was probably the last British record transfer fee asociated with the club, NESV need to realise that alot of quality has left the club and never been replaced, so a severe rebuilding phase is required if we are going to challenge. the away from home record speaks for itself. We're only mid table because of the twelth man at anfield. {ed's note - how many years have City been spending to get in that position? How can our club carry that kind of spending without putting it in an unsustainable position with wages that are far far higher than we can possibly afford?}

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18 Dec 2010 10:15:53
It's not the squad or Torres's fault we are were we are.

It's just Hodgson's!

Blair Mayne YNWA

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Come on Blair Mayne that's a little blinkered. As much as Roy's tactics do not work, the players have to carry the can aswell. Can you honestly say that any of the team have played their best? Before you start I am with you on Hodgson not being the man to lead the team, but it is the players on the pitch who have to perform.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - surely the players are playing badly because the manager is not utilising them correctly? I mean how can an attacking player play at his best when he is being told to drop deep and not attack?}

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18 Dec 2010 10:11:46
Y isn't pacheco given a chance? look ngog is good but seeing as we gave ngog a chance, surely its time to give pacheco a chance. played very well at u 19's world cup for spain. i thought wen roy was appointed, we would be seeing more youngsters, which we have but not enough. and i love babels comments how roy is better than rafa, sucking up a bit ayye? babel stop posting s* t on twitter and start getting in the media for good reason with ur skills

Some good points, Pacheco isn't given a chance because he is a striker and Roy wants to play him on the wings. I rather have Pacheco and Torres up front rather than Cole playing behind Torres because Joe Cole is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Your point about Roy playing youngsters is a little Naive, at Fulham he had one of the oldest teams in the League. Rafa is better than Roy hands down, Roy has never won anything in his life that is worthy of Liverpool. He won the league title in Scandinavia twice! WOW! He has been runner up in the Europa League twice, hardly an achievement. Let me say this before Rafa came to Liverpool he won the LEAGUE and UEFA CUP (Europa League) double with Valencia, now let me tell you how hard it is to win the league in Spain against Barcelona and Real Madrid. Now Roy, the season before he joined Liverpool he came runner up in the Europa League and 12th in the Premier League, hardly a good manager. I can see Roy making history this year and becoming the only manager in LFC history not to win a trophy in his first year in charge. As for your Ryan Babel comment, he is starting to play a little bit better.

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18 Dec 2010 10:11:32
Liverpool Rumours
He's not everyones cup of tea but i reckon we should get jo, hes a quality striker and would be availabel for very little

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18 Dec 2010 10:11:14
Liverpool Rumours
18 Dec 2010 09:19:41
Liverpool Rumours
I would rather have an out of form Torres than a money grabbing Tevez anyday.

i would rather have a striker banging goals in rather than torres

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18 Dec 2010 10:09:31
Liverpool Rumours
18 Dec 2010 09:44:10
Liverpool Rumours
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

Moreover, i'm starting to get the impression that NESV don't understand football. Unfortunatley, there is a need in the modern game to stump up the wedge if you want the right players. Outlining acquisition criteria similarly to pension fund management doesn't sit right in football.

NESV need to realise that a comprehensive injection of capital in players is required now in order to propell the team back into championship contention and champions league football. Maybe then will they be able to implement their investment strategy as the quality players around the globe may then want to come to a succesful club.

They are running the risk of pushing us further into mid table stagnation. We have quality players in Gerrard, Reina and Torres but they're all coming of age and maybe have another good 3 seasons in them until we have a Carragher situation emerging.
What happens then with no second string in the background? NESV need to realise sharpish that success in this sport means dishing out the ackers and they need to do it sharpish.

lol im sure nesv, big business company knows what to do and just cos they don't know about football doesn't matter to much they have alot of footballing people around them and they will learn the game and what its about, , they know money they know how to spend money, they know how to succeed and win, , soo don't worry about nesv, also we can't say just cos we don't get champions league next season doesn't mean we can't attract players tottenham wasnt in the champions league and theyve done fine, , a few good scouts, good coaches and a manager who is willing to grow talent and play young stars, , but make sure we have experienced players too ofcourse, , we will be fine people. . . .

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18 Dec 2010 10:09:13
Liverpool Rumours
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

Moreover, i'm starting to get the impression that NESV don't understand football. Unfortunatley, there is a need in the modern game to stump up the wedge if you want the right players. Outlining acquisition criteria similarly to pension fund management doesn't sit right in football.

NESV need to realise that a comprehensive injection of capital in players is required now in order to propell the team back into championship contention and champions league football. Maybe then will they be able to implement their investment strategy as the quality players around the globe may then want to come to a succesful club.

They are running the risk of pushing us further into mid table stagnation. We have quality players in Gerrard, Reina and Torres but they're all coming of age and maybe have another good 3 seasons in them until we have a Carragher situation emerging.
What happens then with no second string in the background? NESV need to realise sharpish that success in this sport means dishing out the ackers and they need to do it sharpish.

Some good points raised here. I just want to say that I think NESV will come good they as a grioup are very wealthy but they won't waste money. Expect signings to be confirmed in January but they'll be freebies for next season. With regards to age of players reina is a pup in terms of keepers ages. he'll be at the top level for another decade at least. I'd love them to splash 200 mil in january but i think that figure will be 20 mil on 3 players and 4 or 5 frees such as urby emmanuelson, steven piennar. I agree they don't understand football, but they understand sport as a business, ie honda exploiting asian market. They will come good brother, we must have faith in them, they will get it right

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18 Dec 2010 10:08:41
{Editor's Note: Before we kick off a hate campaign to get the owners removed, we need to recognise that (a) they have only been with the club for a few months and they will still be finding their way around a figuring out which advice is good advice; (b) the transfer window has been shut whilst they have been here so they have not had an opportunity to be part of the process to improve the team; (c) January is never a major rebuilding window, so don't expect significant changes, perhaps some minor tweaking and improvements; and most importantly (d) do not expect the owners to throw vast funds at buying players - it will be a managed and responsible process - not a Manchester City style spending spree.}

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Well said Ed, patience is a virtue. Too many Liverpool fans are quick to judge these days on things that are out of the clubs control. Eg if we sign that player it will be a catastrophe, if we sign this player we will make the top 4. They are all basing their opinions on things that haven't even happened. NESV have said they are here for the long haul and have a 3-5 year plan, not a 3-5 week plan. Give these guys chance to live up to what they are saying. It has been 20 years since we won a title, I for 1 can wait a little longer if it means building a team for continued success. Remember the words " You Never Walk Alone". Instant success and stability do not go together. Pompey proved that recently.

MUSHROOM

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18 Dec 2010 09:57:58
Koncheskys mar branding lfc fans scouse scum on facebook! cheeky scruffy looking fat c***!your sons 1 of the worst fullbacks liverpool have ever had right up there with nicky tanner!do youreself a favour mate f*** off back to london and take that c*** hodgson with yer

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18 Dec 2010 09:45:41
Y isn't pacheco given a chance?? look ngog is good but seeing as we gave ngog a chance, surely its time to give pacheco a chance. played very well at u 19's world cup for spain. i thought wen roy was appointed, we would be seeing more youngsters, which we have but not enough. and i love babels comments how roy is better than rafa, sucking up a bit ayye?? babel stop posting s* t on twitter and start getting in the media for good reason with ur skills

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18 Dec 2010 09:43:18
I'm only 13 just woke up to sky sports news been a poor season so far but all isn't lost in fact this bad season has seriously opened up our weaknesses! And that is one thing I'm very happy about thanks to the owners we should get 3-4 players in jan it's looking that way anyway?
Nzogbia
Dempsey
suarez
Honda
ashley young
and about 80% of france
I don't think we'd ever had SO many rumours leading into a transfer period and that only means the team should look different ( which is brill! )
I really like nzogbia and dempsey! Suarez is fantastic don't think a young is that great oh and David bentley is total nob ed thinks he's becks
super site editor it's the Xmas holidays for me so now I can read this all day not just during my lessons at school :)
go go reds this is by no means a crisis this problem is completely in our hands as none of it is financial- you're all forgetting that! Just keep going gonna sing my heart out at the next 3 games I'm going to! YWNA btw very good Europa draw and if we get city in the final well cream them too much experience in Europe!

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18 Dec 2010 09:42:21
Liverpool Rumours
Sell your best player coz he is out of form?
Worldclass players attract other worldclass players, and selling 1 of only3 is madness.If buying good support for torres will keep him happy than this is what they should do.LIVERPOOL do not need anymore squad players, as we have enough and the kids need a chance to come through.

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18 Dec 2010 09:34:52
Liverpool Rumours
I've just seen Ali G (Daniel Commolli) on Sky Sports News, clearly nothing of any note is going to occur in the January window. It seems to me that Liverpool are finding it difficult to attract quality.

Moreover, i'm starting to get the impression that NESV don't understand football. Unfortunatley, there is a need in the modern game to stump up the wedge if you want the right players, outlining acquisition criteria similarly to pension fund management doesn't sit right in football.

NESV need to realise that a comprehensive injection of capital in players is required now in order to propell the team back into championship contention and champions league football. Maybe then will they be able to implement their investment strategy as the quality players around the globe may then want to come to a succesful club.

They are running the risk of pushing us further into mid table stagnation. We have quality players in Gerrard, Reina and Torres but they're all coming of age and maybe have another good 3 seasons in them until we have a Carragher situation emerging.

What happens then with no second string in the background? NESV need to realise sharpish that success in this sport means dishing out the ackers and they need to do it sharpish.

{Editor's Note: Before we kick off a hate campaign to get the owners removed, we need to recognise that (a) they have only been with the club for a few months and they will still be finding their way around a figuring out which advice is good advice; (b) the transfer window has been shut whilst they have been here so they have not had an opportunity to be part of the process to improve the team; (c) January is never a major rebuilding window, so don't expect significant changes, perhaps some minor tweaking and improvements; and most importantly (d) do not expect the owners to throw vast funds at buying players - it will be a managed and responsible process - not a Manchester City style spending spree.}

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18 Dec 2010 09:25:11
ha ha I didn't think stricker looked right its early tho. Surely you must have something better to do than look for spelling mistakes tho!

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18 Dec 2010 09:02:22
Liverpool Rumours
Adebayor being linked with us ed. good signing for possibly a loan or just some stupid rumour??

{Editor's Note: I hope just a dumb rumour.}

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18 Dec 2010 09:01:20
Liverpool Rumours
THIS is how you spell STRIKER. . (NOT Stricker! Sheesh)

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18 Dec 2010 08:56:34
Liverpool Rumours
Nesv will not keep any money from sales just yet

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18 Dec 2010 08:56:32
He must be sacked if they lose today! Andre Villa Boas come on down

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18 Dec 2010 02:09:04
Liverpool Rumours
Hey everyone. This has been bugging me for ages. listen people this is a RUMOUR SITE for people to post RUMOURS about LFC players and transfers. This is not a ASK THE EDITOR OF THE SITE IF HE KNOWS IF STEVIE G FARTED LAST NIGHT OR IF JAMIE CARRA'S A CORRIE FAN LOL. Is anyone else getting really pi* ed off with everyone just asking the editor questions all the time? While am here, people coming on here and arguing over daft things take it to the banter page! I WANT TO READ RUMOURS! Ed i know you don't know everything (no one does)and i've forgotten how many time i've read you stating you don't find to much out these days as were running a much tighter ship since NESV took over. Anyway getting to the piont, can everyone just please stick to the rumours. Is that to much to ask?
By the way would love to see either Sanchez or Hazzard on the wing come Feb!

LFC Tat

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18 Dec 2010 01:53:14
Google "Paul Tomkins Fernando Torres" and read the article on "Tomkinstimes" that demonstrates why Nando has been "underperforming" this season.

Using statistics he shows how: "Roy Hodgson's tactics put him (Torres) in a position on the field that reduces his chance of scoring by 50% over previous years.

Thanks go to the earlier poster, who pointed me in the direction of this article.

Matt S - YNWA

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18 Dec 2010 01:33:00
Guys lets be fair, konchesky aint the worst player out there. look hes joined a very very big club from i wouldn't say small in fulham but come on liverpool are bigger. he really needs to work on his defending, his crosses aint that bad just torres is too lazy to actually get onto them. some of u say bring john arne riise back which hey id love if that happened, hes loved and respected at anfield but at the end of his career, aurelio was our main left back, so before we condemn paul, give the guy a chance, don't hate him more coz of what his ditzy mum did

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18 Dec 2010 01:23:33
Liverpool Rumours
Why are we being linked to this Russian full-back? Yes he is a good player, but don't we already have an international full-back in Glen Johnson? Also at 28 years of age, he does not exactly fit the new policy for bringing in youth. Any thoughts on this?
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mate, glen johnson isn't gd enough. he is terrible defensively


Listnen Glo*rot, Johnson is one of the best right backs around, if not the best, the problem is Carra/ right winger Kuyt, to old and slow to cover, don't get me wrong Carra is and always be a legend in my eyes, but he's had his time, Wilson is the future, play the lad. . now. Also Kuyt is gettin on now and i've noticed, he's gettin slower to get back, he tries his best as does Carra and both always gives 110% if not 120%, but as you get older, you get slower, and there's nothing you can do about that, so we should get shut and buy a world class winger to replace Kuyt and as i've said play Wilson at CB. . Carra & Kuyt must be on 150K at least between them.

All the best fellow Reds

YNWA96

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18 Dec 2010 00:56:37
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This is my personal view, i don't think we're gonna sell any squad players (including Poulsen. . unforunately, cos he's s* *e) maybe some fringe players goin on loan, Babel needs our support, play him upfront with Torres, both have pace to burn and a crackin shot, and have never been given a chance to play together (believe me this could save us millions) so come on 'Kop bothers' give Babel a shout or two and let him know he's wanted, i believe he can do it for us (imagine - the Kop singing your name. the boost you'd get). I've heard no rumours about who's comin in, in Jan, just hope to christ Nesv give us a christmas present of some world class wingers, because that's what we need. .

YNWA96

RingOfFire. . Merry Christmas all

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18 Dec 2010 00:39:24
Just reading some stories from the tabloids. . .they do seem to be siding with the fans now and can see that Roy isn't the man for the job and never was.

He will be gone once NESV find a replacement, i think we can now be sure of that!. . . What was with the "Newcastle are notoriously difficult to beat at home?"

Only if you're managing Fulham!

Please John and Tom, do the right thing sooner rather than later!

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18 Dec 2010 00:20:39
18 Dec 2010 00:13:39
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For those who think torres has done nothing this season:
2 assists vs sunderland = 1 point
assist vs bolton(which won us the match)= 3 points
goal vs wba = 3 points
goal vs blackburn = 3 points
goals vs chelsea = 3 points
13 points out of 22, so maybe its the rest of the squad
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It's not the squad or Torres's fault we are were we are.

It's just Hodgson's!

Blair Mayne YNWA

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18 Dec 2010 00:17:26
I am a big fan of Torres. And Gerard. And Carra. And Pepe.

I was also a big fan of Keegan and Dalglish. And Rush. And Fowler. And McMahon. And Souness. And Case.

. .and Joey Jones.

I'll be a big fan of other LFC players in the future.

They come, they stay awhile and then they go.

Some touch our hearts more than others.

God bless them all.

Frenchy.

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18 Dec 2010 00:13:39
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For those who think torres has done nothing this season:
2 assists vs sunderland = 1 point
assist vs bolton(which won us the match)= 3 points
goal vs wba = 3 points
goal vs blackburn = 3 points
goals vs chelsea = 3 points
13 points out of 22, so maybe its the rest of the squad

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18 Dec 2010 00:11:58
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"Steven is training hard and is desperate to get back playing, but with my record of saying things and then getting them wrong, I think I am best being cagey and saying let's wait and see, " he said.

HAS ROY FINALLY GOT THE MESSAGE TO KEEP HIS GOB SHUT?

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18 Dec 2010 00:08:54
If someone told me tomorrow that Torres, Reina and Gerrard were going to stay at Liverpool at the end of the season then I would honestly feel a lot more positive and maybe more relaxed about our current situation even though it is complete and utter embarassment.

But I would feel like that simply because first and most obviously, we get to keep three world class players. Secondly, it would give us a chance to buy good players in January and the Summer and build them around these three and go into next season with (hopefully) a good team to take us back to the CL. Would leave the fans a lot more optomistic and hopefully with a change of management to an attacking manager we'd get the best out of players like Torres and Gerrard.

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18 Dec 2010 00:02:25
17 hours until kick-off .

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17 Dec 2010 23:58:45
Prediction for the match today

Fulham (LFC) 1 -1 Fulham (the real one)

Blair Mayne YNWA

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17 Dec 2010 23:56:47
The pitch will be fine its only because of travelling fans.

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17 Dec 2010 23:56:19
Ed iknow we need a star striker benzema my preference also we need top defenders wat we have is crap watched the newcastle game the other week and felt sick after the game skyrtel was shocking would love 2 c rikard as new boss i know its the liverpool way 2 give the manager time he needs 2 go now i c no hope with woy ed wat do you think

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17 Dec 2010 23:56:02
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Yes I have. I have made my point and given my reasons for it which I regard as valid. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm basing my point on something. Yes, I am telling you he makes runs, because he sure as hell doesn't stand static for 90minutes. The chances he's missed recently, didn't he make runs for those to be created?

I'm not saying that's the reason, and I'm not saying it gives Torres an excuse not to play well but it's bound to have some bearing, when my missus was expecting the bambinos it was stressful for me to work - it was like having two jobs, one as a carer for her! Slaving for her, driving her around, constantly worrying about her health, not to forget the constant bickering. Torres is a human being also, he was probably experiencing those kind of things.

Why are you talking about interceptions now? If Torres gets the ball and loses it of course its his fault. But the job of the wingers and midfielders are to create chances for the strikers, and they aren't doing that. When a striker gets no service, he won't score as often.

Look buddy, we obviously disagree on the issue and we'll never agree. And I'm sure many more like us disagree on exactly the same topic. We'll agree on one thing, we want what's best for our club, and we both want Torres back to his best and banging them in again.

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Ok my friend, we'll leave it at that. I hope you are right. Either way, come on the red men.

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17 Dec 2010 23:51:07
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Look, let's get a simple argument straight. No one on here knows exactly how Torres is feeling or exactly what's going through his mind, not one person.
Yes we can all have our opinions and express them, but even though opinions are divided, we don't know who is right unless something happens. Personally, right now, he doesn't look as if he's up for the challenge at the moment, but what makes people think it's anything related to LFC in anyway? Take this as one example from a few. Footballers, behind all their wealth and their who's are human beings. What if he's experiencing family problems? Just because Carlos Tevez doesn't show it on the pitch doesn't mean it's not happening. NO ONE KNOWS, END OF!

I agree with Macca and Blair, no one, is bigger than LFC so if he actually doesn't want to be there, then time to cash in but meet his value as a player and his value to LFC.

Jay

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17 Dec 2010 23:49:15
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I agree Blair Mayne. No player is bigger than the club and if Torres wants to leave then so be it, provided our requirements are matched (asking price or potential swap deals).

As you can see below, my arguments are to do with another point
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If i had a choice mate i'd take a swap deal with City (were i think he'll end up) and ask for Adebeyor, A.Johnson and maybe 15-20 mill for another striker.

Before anyone says i'm talking balls as usual remember City have always wanted Torres. Torres probably wants to go to City and A.Johnson and Adebeyor both want regular 1st team fooball.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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