Liverpool Banter Archive December 18 2016

 

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18 Dec 2016 17:35:30
The last 5 mins in the 4pm kick offs have been annoying! 2 draws would be perfect!

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18 Dec 2016 17:42:40
Just got to take care of our own business tomorrow night 😎.


18 Dec 2016 17:42:40
Just got to take care of our own business tomorrow night 😎.


18 Dec 2016 17:51:38
Arsenal loosing means we must win tomorrow.


18 Dec 2016 19:08:14
We had to win anyway. arsenal losing doesn't change a thing.


18 Dec 2016 19:26:34
We must win regardless!


18 Dec 2016 23:39:57
Klopp goes for the win every time so no news there.


18 Dec 2016 15:51:43
Ed, what is your opinion of Defoe as a player? Do you think we should of ever signed him?

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{Ed001's Note - not good enough for us. He scores goals, but mainly because he shoots a lot from everywhere he happens to be. If you have 40 shots a game, there is a good chance you will score one, but there is also a good chance you are wasting possession and gifting the ball back to the opposition more often than not. He has never learnt the art of playing in a player in a better position.}

18 Dec 2016 19:54:39
Great review Eds1 summed up perfectly.


{Ed001's Note - thank you.}

18 Dec 2016 22:03:12
Funny one Defoe.
I usually watch him only on highlights unless he's playing against us, so only see his best bits each game so he looks like a brilliant goal machine, highlights only tell half the story though.


18 Dec 2016 23:43:03
Which is why they should never be used to judge a player, Mikey as it seems many do here. As for Defoe, it seems he plays the law of averages when goal scoring is concerned. The more I shoot, the more likely I will score. Same with BR's transfer strategy as in, buy 10 players every season and at some point, 5 of them will come good.


19 dec 2016 00:22:23
isn't scoring goals what its all about? i don't particularly rate him but he is a goal scorer, for us? i don't know, who knows with the team we have feeding him the ball i think he'd be alright tbh, but i do agree ed1, not good enough for us. we'll be in top 4 next year and he's not good enough for that imo, ings is the better option any day.


19 Dec 2016 06:35:22
Lol Hamilton, Are you saying you shouldn't shoot and should behave like Arsenal. Passing and passing and passing inside the opposition net and trying to score that near perfect goal every time?
He is playing for a team that are not equipped with Brazilian magic or Spanish masala. He is a good finisher and hardly ever miss anything from 2 yards.


{Ed001's Note - that is simply not true, one of the biggest criticisms throughout his career is how many times he misses. As for hardly ever missing anything from 2 yards, everyone hardly ever misses anything from 2 yards. That is why when it does happen you never hear the end of it.}

19 Dec 2016 14:11:31
Thanks Ed, for the response to Harry`s now-to be-expected off-topic comments that always seem to never answer the questions being asked on a thread. I played the CF position when I played non league football in France for three years and shooting from all angles is simply pointless for the reasons Ed already presented which is why, I never did it because most of the time it is necessary to keep possession and find a team mate who was in a better position score hence, I was decent at both scoring and assisting. You`re welcome.


18 Dec 2016 13:56:15
There have been a few posts on here lately about Milners inadequacies at LB. My question is for Ed001 and those posters who watch our academy and u23's. How has Juanma been doing since he joined? Is he regarded as a first team prospect any time soon? Thanks guys.

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{Ed001's Note - I have only managed to catch a couple of games, he played well enough in them to catch my eye and ask about him. According to what I have been told, he has been excellent and is expected to be in and around the first team squad by the end of the season.}

18 Dec 2016 16:38:02
Perhaps playing Milner there has given us 12 months to have a look at him then, rather than buying a player we might not need.


18 Dec 2016 17:15:06
Thanks Ed001. I posted in the summer when it came to light that we weren't buying a new LB that perhaps Milner was a stopgap until Klopp felt Juanma was ready. Let's hope, when he gets a chance, that he grabs it with both hands and saves the club from expensive mistakes!


18 Dec 2016 23:44:44
If Klopp thinks Juanma may be ready by end of or beginning of next season, then I will trust him. He`s from Barcelona so he knows the expectations at a big club.


19 Dec 2016 07:58:06
I believe he was also captain of his age group at Barca, so you'd imagine he has a decent head on his shoulders too. Nothing wrong with adding leaders to our team.


19 Dec 2016 10:38:59
Hold on there Gmac, he's not even had a senior appearance for us let's not be calling him a leader just yet!


18 Dec 2016 13:14:11
Quick question for you if u can help I'm heading to anfield for Swansea match with my son and my father what's best way to get away from ground after. If I'm standing with my back to KOP do I walk right?
Last time I went I got lost with son or is ther a (secret place ) to get a bus or taxi
Thanks.

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18 Dec 2016 15:26:42
Yes, turn right.
If you want any chance of getting a cab, you'll need to leave a few mins early and get one outside the ground. Otherwise when you turn right, you probably won't get a cab until you walk to the end of Walton Breck Road.

Failing that, there is a soccer bus outside the ground that will take you back into town, again you will need to get there a bit early to get on the first bus.


18 Dec 2016New image uploaded to the Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Ran into Firmino in Manchester Selfridges on Saturday morning, thanked him for lopping off the topknot and begged him to score against the Blues on Monday, he said he would. We have his word!

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18 Dec 2016 12:43:53
he needs to grow it back quickly for him to score.


18 Dec 2016 13:14:34
Them teeth are so bright lol.


18 Dec 2016 13:37:13
He looks so much like ulloa from Leicester.


19 Dec 2016 08:48:39
What the heck's he wearing?


18 Dec 2016 08:37:54
Another random question here that i'd just like to float to everyone.


What is everyones opinion on which game was our best team performance so far this season?

Im not quite sure personally because you can pick slight faults with everything. I thought we handled the sunderland game very well. Against a team starting to play a lot better than they had been and totally isolated any attacking threat they possessed, i'm not saying it was our best performance though. It'd be interesting to hear everyones (including Eds) opinions and why.

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18 Dec 2016 11:04:18
Leicester was important for me because we played them off the park let them back in at 2-1 with their first attack almost and then went on to win 4-1 without Leicester getting out of their half again.
This was at a time when everyone was going on about our deficiencies in that exact scenario and thought it showed good belief and mental strength in our players.


18 Dec 2016 11:21:30
Totally forgot about that game and lucas' assist!


18 Dec 2016 12:57:21
I would have to say the Chelsea game, we blitz them the first half and barley let them have a say. And then we came out well organised in the second and showed that we can defend. Also had numerous chances to make it 3 on the counter, other than a petty goal (which seems to be a theme in all our games this season) we held the lead very well. Might not be our best performance but was definitely my favourite!


18 Dec 2016 18:00:08
Maybe because it's recent it's on my mind but I thought we were excellent against middlesbourgh.


19 Dec 2016 00:49:26
The swansea game, they needed points more then anyone, and played to the best of their abilities yet we managed to beat them, was a brill game.


18 Dec 2016 06:54:27
Matip being injured is a massive loss for us. He has been a rock at the back for us and has brought the leadership we have been lacking for a very long time.

Ed001, do you think Klopp has made a mistake by bringing back Mignolet. Time and time again he has proven that he ain't good enough to be our number 1.

On the other hand, it could be that Klopp has decided to put Mignolet in the shop window. Pretty sure I read the other day that Ed002 said Mignolet will be moved on this coming summer.

This coming summer will be a massively important one for us. All we really need is a LB and CB for the first team and a RB to either cover for Clyne or take his spot in the first team. Clyne has improved a bit so let's see how things go with him.

Midfield we are stocked and depending on what happens with Sturridge, Ings and Coutinho, I cannot see us making too many changes when it comes to our attack. If Coutinho leaves we are going to need to find a proper replacement for him, not somebody for the bench.

Looking forward to the match vs our neighbours. Get in boys, all 3 points please!

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{Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with the shop window for Mignolet, it is all about trying to protect Karius. Only time will tell if it was a mistake.

Personally I feel the wrong person was cut, this is a short term attempt to cover a serious weakness in personnel. Our goalkeeping coaching needs to be improved.}

18 Dec 2016 07:09:43
Thanks for the reply Ed.

Wonder why nothing has been done about the goalkeeping coach. Karius has done well so feel for him that he was benched. It would have been good to see how he coped with pressure and kept him in the team to see whether he has the ability to thrive under pressure.

Ten matches not going to be enough to show whether Karius has what it takes. Mignolet has had over 3 seasons and could not prove he is fit to be our no 1. Strange decision by Klopp, let's hope it does not ruin the great position we found ourselves in League wise.


{Ed001's Note - short term it is unlikely to be an issue, it is the long term effects that are the problem. The best keepers make mistakes, have bad runs, then come out the other side, like De Gea. Karius has now had the bad run, but no chance to work through it. Though, to be fair, with the troubles we have with the coaching side of goalkeeping, being kept in would probably have only completely destroyed his confidence and career.}

18 Dec 2016 07:56:01
I think benching Karius is not protection at all. Karius is the type of player that need to be playing and feel he is important, benching him will destroy his confidence. And mignolet will continue to stay complacent.


{Ed001's Note - Mignolet is far from complacent.}

18 Dec 2016 08:02:14
Mignolet complacent being dropped start of the season for Karius who is much younger, just arrived at the club and less inexperienced?

That was a clear indication that Mignolet is not our long term number 1 and to be quite honest, Mignolet knows that.


18 Dec 2016 08:02:48
Never been a fan of Mignolet from the moment I realized he can't kick a banana let alone a football. Benching Karius hardly makes any sense to me and it looks like he is warming for a long time than expected.


18 Dec 2016 08:24:30
I agree with Ed01 on this, it's been mentioned on here for a few years now that the GK coach needs replacing. The keepers we've had since he came have either failed to improve or declined.


18 Dec 2016 08:56:26
How can you blame the GK coach for Karius's errors?
Karius has been here for a very short time, you don't suddenly forget how to catch a ball or position yourself for a set piece over night.
It's too early to blame the GK coach over Karius, but he hasn't done anything for Mignolet.


18 Dec 2016 09:10:15
Some of you need to take off the rose tinted glasses.
Karius has hardly pulled up any trees since he got into the team and certainly doesn't deserve the messiah treatment some of you are giving him.
Don't get me wrong, longer term he may well turn out to be a decent keeper and I agree that Migs is of limited ability. However, I agree with the gaffer on this one and support the reintroduction of Migs. In hindsight, Karius should have been transitioned into the team via cup games initially. After all, transition is something we should be pretty good at doing now - we've had ten years practicing it!
On for the Eds - what does Klopp (and the club in general) see in Achterburg that you and others don't? If he is so poor a coach why hasn't he been moved on?
Fingers crossed for a good performance and three points on Monday.


{Ed001's Note - who has ever said Karius is the messiah? All anyone has ever said is that he has not had time to prove himself one way or the other. It is this kind of post that just provokes conflict and discord because of that petty little jibe that is completely untrue.}

18 Dec 2016 09:12:34
Totally agree with wise old Ron again here. the man just talks sense again and again!


18 Dec 2016 09:24:44
Well said Ron.


18 Dec 2016 10:15:01
I agree with Ron on the technique of catching a ball but things like lining up a wall will come directly from the coaching staff. If he's doing it wrong it will more likely be the coaches fault rather than his as he's just doing as he's told to in training.


18 Dec 2016 10:34:55
Yes you're right bobbyf, we need to take off our rose tinted glasses. Our young new foreign keeper, recently back from injury hasn't shown himself to be amongst the best in the league in the whole 10 games he's had. Get rid of the false messiah. All our new signing should only be given 10 games lol.


18 Dec 2016 11:10:27
I think for the rest of the season this could work. By klopps words it almost sounds like if mignolet now makes a mistake karius back in and so on.
I don't think it overly effects our defence which keeper plays certainly not to a level impossible to adapt to.
So essentially for the rest of the season you say to both players you don't reach a level of performance any week you're out.
Both keepers pushed to play their best karius also not taking on all the pressure of being number one in his first season, but if he is ready he also has the chance to show and prove it.
Then we evaluate in the summer.


18 Dec 2016 13:00:49
It's sad that people are now saying 2mouths into his Liverpool life and people are saying his not any good . Just wow . Some people need time and boy should be playing . Mignolet has made mistakes for 3 years .


18 Dec 2016 13:42:15
Keeper's games generally peak around the ages 27-35 IMO. Klopp is 100% spot on saying Karius is an important part of our future. He's too young to write off, I agree with ed001 he needs a better coach to help him improve.
With respect to the dropping of Karius I think Klopp handled the situation poorly. I think the guy is great but he dropped a bit of a clanger by indulging the press and the critics. Sadly, once he'd responded to press and Neville criticism, he had to take Karius out of the firing line because his every move was being scrutinised. Another mistake would have killed his confidence, started a media witch-hunt and caused the manager to be undermined.

Karius now needs to work on his game and rediscover his form. He need not be out for long, just long enough for Migs to prove he isn't good enough.
That's my take on it. Klopp should have ignored the questions about Karius and focussed on the team. Guess he's human after all 😎.


18 Dec 2016 17:55:04
Agree Ron on your post re goalie coach.


19 Dec 2016 00:50:02
The situation must be looked at wholistically and Ed as well as many other posters on this thread like Ron and Harry, have alluded to this. We cannot keep chopping and changing GK`s if the coaching part of this has not been looked into.

Our Goal Keepers are not improving whether it be Reina, thru Migs and Jones, right down to Karius, so we can`t put this all on them. I have always maintained that the media, pundits (LFC ex players included) targeted Karius, a young foreign GK with great potential and upside going thru a bad run, for issues with the team that go much further than his mistakes, some of which Klopp himself took responsibility for.

They targeted and bullied him in a bid to discredit Klopp (Nevilles) and in a bid to look unbiased (Carra and Redknapp) and many "fans" jumped on this non issue. With the Bros in Failure telling him to shut up and do his job just because he had the "audacity" to speak up for himself was embarrassing for them. They made it look like a GK could no longer make mistakes anymore whereas even the best GK`s make mistakes all the time.

Klopp should never have dropped him but I know why he did it. Migs is history and even he knows this so we shall see how Karius reacts to it.


19 Dec 2016 04:48:21
I know nothing about goalkeeper coaching or coaching in general. What I do know is that, during Achterberg's time here, not a single goalkeeper has actually improved their game. Reina got noticeably worse, Mignolet lurched from disaster to disaster, younger goalkeepers like Jones, Ward, etc haven't been close and, in Ward's case, only looked decent away from the club. Karius has come of the back of what is a serious injury for goalkeepers and made a few basic mistakes. The point in there is no improvement to be seen anywhere in our goalkeepers and there hasn't been for a long time - it is a worry.

I know nothing about GK coaching so I cannot point the finger at Achterberg and say conclusively that he is the problem. What you can do is look at results and what has happened already and I think Reina is a the key player to look at. Here is a GK who, until Achterberg joined, was very very good. Not perfect, he was prone to mistakes from time-to-time, but very good and certainly the best goalkeeper we've had for 20 years or so. He declined badly whilst Achterberg was coach and in fact only started looking better again once he moved on to Napoli. That is a damning inditement of Achterberg but, by itself, proves little. The fact no goalkeeper has improved during his time points to the fact that he simply may not be good enough for the role he has at the club. Coaching is hugely important, even more so for younger players - the evidence suggests Achterberg is far from the right man for the job.


19 Dec 2016 10:11:57
"wholistically" is my new favourite word.


19 Dec 2016 12:02:00
It's certainly new Dawn 😀.


19 Dec 2016 14:50:06
Spot on, Seano. Achteberg is not the reason Karius made the mistakes he made. But on a wider plaine, his coaching period correlates with Reina being worse or the others not improving and flat out stagnating hence, the issue is with him. As you say, coaching is important and we have numerous examples within our squad to attest to this point as players like Lallana, Can, Hendo and Origi were going nowhere until Klopp came in and fixed their issues. in statistics, they say that correlation is not always causation but I`m sorry in this case, IT IS.


19 Dec 2016 21:16:43
I disagree ron, the coach should be reviewing games with the keepers and ironing out flaws in their game on a week by week basis. The flapping at crosses and suspect positioning are not one offs.

Also much like the manager, the coach also has to find coping mechanisms that help the keepers stay calm in presurrised situations and thereby help them make the right decisions at key moments.

The coach also has to brief the keeper on opposition strikers and their preferred penalty/ free kick direction etc so they are as prepared as possible. There is little evidence of any of the above since valero left and atcheburg was promoted. In fact our keepers have generally gotten worse.

No he cannot be out on the field with them but there is little or no evidence to show he is improving any of our keepers.


17 Dec 2016 23:11:03
What are people's thoughts on teams getting a bonus point for scoring four goals or more? (A bit like rugby)
I think it'd encourage attacking football and it would certainly be more entertaining to watch.
Ed001 thoughts?

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{Ed001's Note - I think it would make it feel false. Football works as it is, why mess with the most popular sport in the world to make it more like much less popular sports?}

18 Dec 2016 07:53:37
What's this obsession on attacking football? Is it because we play attacking football? How about a bonus point for keeping a clean sheet then? Lol.


{Ed001's Note - I think you are missing the point completely. The point is to make the sport more entertaining to watch, not more boring.}

18 Dec 2016 08:06:09
I got that point and by some strange reasons defending is underrated on this page. A clean sheet doesn't mean park the bus from the start to go. It means you don't concede.
It has no relevance on attacking football and I guess that will make more teams a complete package.
For example 4-0, 3-0, 2-0 scorelines.


{Ed001's Note - how would it?}

18 Dec 2016 08:58:20
Why do you need bonus points?
Goalscoring already improves your position via goal difference or goals scored.
Odd suggestion.


18 Dec 2016 08:59:06
I'd prefer to see changes to how teams are split on the table. Goal difference us the current but would like to see it switched to somwthing like la liga where ties are broken down between each team's season results against each other.


{Ed001's Note - that is a terrible system though. Every few months there are calls to change the La Liga system to make it the same as the Prem's usage of GD and GS. It leads too often to an end of season dead rubber games because a team has no chance of moving up due to having been beaten by the team above them during the season. Look at the Champions League group stages, the last set of matches are always pointless.}

18 Dec 2016 09:17:12
Why are people never happy with what they have? Millions watch football every week, it works as it is, and obviously it works well. Why over complicate the simplist game in the world? Next people will be calling for the basis of the game to change! Just enjoy it folks!


18 Dec 2016 09:43:09
Im pretty happy with it as it is, Only change i'd be content with as a point system is maybe 3 points for away win and 2 for a home to stop 10 men behind the ball matches. That being said seeing a top team break down stubborn opposition is a joy to watch, just not often enough unfortunately.


18 Dec 2016 10:08:15
As they say, don't fix it if it ain't broken, there's reason the Premier League is the most watched and exciting league in the world, so let's keep it that way.


 
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