Liverpool Banter Archive January 18 2014

18 Jan 2014 22:49:58
Pinkman if you want top 4 you have to win your home games. The problem is I don't see Everton loosing many games then utd can't get any worse so they will start picking up more points and spurs have improved lately who's being dramatic I'm being realistic. If we get injuries to key players then it's going to be hard I never said we are not in the race so you must be on the blue stuff again.

Good point Red Raj, home form is key. And only Citeh have a better record than us so its looking good.

18 Jan 2014 22:14:34
i have previously been a lucas hater. he did make some sort of impact today, but to be honest the change of formation helped. although really moving coutinho and henderson really shouldn't make as much difference as it did. anyhow, lucas injured again, hopefully not for too long. wasn't a penalty for me and I think today showed, at least for now, gerrard is better further forward.

read in the media Liverpool will view this as 2 points dropped. personally, I think it's a fair result. really bad start.

also, it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but say we did get champions league.with our defence. can't see us doing very well, let's just hope the defence just 'clicks' and all is well.

besides, youth can get better and we have the rest of this window and the summer yet.

18 Jan 2014 21:51:19
Good fight back today but all our failing were of our own making. Mignolet should be more commanding, it's his area, he should RULE! Nice to see we can come back from 2-0 But what we found out today was:

Gerrard is NOT a DM, he probably will need time to bed in; time which we do not have.
Without Lucas we are all over the place. Our defence is too exposed and every time the opposition attacks they seem to nearly score, scary!
I love Stevie Gerrard, he is a king amongst men, my hero for all eternity but he does slow things down. Our midfield of Allen, Lucas and Henderson seem to give any team a hard time. What happened in the first half?

BR has to work this out. his job. Let's hope Everton don't win so we can stay in top4.
Glass is not half empty it's half FULL! John Henry will bankroll who we need and the rest of the season is to play for.hard match to watch.
YNWA

I understand the worry for Gerrard. I think the only way we can accommodate him is in a 3-5-2 BUT where does that leave Hendo and coutinho? We play good without him BUT his long range passing (as seen for the penalty) and his ability to start attacks from deep is very essential. Take heart, fellow red men. 17 games to go and a lot can still happen.

18 Jan 2014 21:20:18
WOW BR has some tough decisions to make.
I hope I am safe in thinking he understands now that every time lucus doesn't play we are wide open to counter attacks, I knew we would struggle today as no one can fill his position, and with his injury FSG may be forced to dig a little deeper this window.

Defensively we are a shambles even though we have about 15 defenders on our books.

I think he also need to make a decision on SG future, for me he slows our play down and we need to look forward and not to what a great player he was. and oops he clearly is no DM as BR found out in first half.

good recovery from the boys though hendo good second half was high point, sturridge moody and did not work hard enough today. cissoko OMG, coutinho what's happened? were going to need to beat the big boys at home now to keep 4 th place.

18 Jan 2014 20:43:33
I love how after Sprus every one was on here about our complete performance how good every one was, we lose vs chelsea and city and we had fighting spirit, we draw with Villa and BLAM every 1 is losing their sh!t swear some people on here are bi polar

18 Jan 2014 21:35:10
Gutted we didn't take the 3 points but have to be pleased with a point after the shocking 1st half, could be a big point at the end of the season. Shows today how important Lucas is, he's a master at that role and can't expect Gerrard to be as comfortable in it. Gerrard needs to be further up the park, still the first name on the team sheet in my opinion. Hopefully Enrique will be back soon as I think he's a massive miss. Not sure if the defensive weakness is the players or the system leaving the defence exposed, to often I felt today that one ball down the sides was turning the defence and causing us reel problems. Two big games coming up and I think if we can go into the Arsenal game with 2 victories we'll be sitting in a good position in the table.

Good point, Bilverstone. Our attacking style makes us unbalanced atimes which leads to us scoring 5 and the opposition scoring 2, sometimes 3. BR has to find the right mix. I`d rather we score more goals than not score enough because we`re scared to push people forward. (which was my main beef against Rafa and Roy). This is because good and goals scored could prove massive at the end of the day. City won the league on the last day on good so we cannot neglect that. Comparing our good to everton`s, we a 10 goal advantage and a 19 goal advantage on goals scored. That`s almost like an extra point. Villa play that counter attacking style w/ pace and power upfront which explains why the have a better away record than at home. I knew we would have probs w/ them BUT not to the point of going two down due to good play from them and poor tactics from us. They always get beat at home because they are incapable of dictating the play like say, we do at home or on the road. Anyway, take heart, fellow redmen. 17 games to go and a lot can still happen.

To be fair, bobatron, all of those things are true. We're pretty well the definition of inconsistent- sometimes brilliant, sometimes good, occasionally (like today, particularly in the 1st half) poor.

RDL, I completely agree. I wish BR would shut up about winning the league, it just makes him look stupid when he says stuff like 'We can't compete with the financial firepower of City and Chelsea' after performances like yesterday.

18 Jan 2014 20:36:27
Who thinks FSG are going to be happy having a £130,000 per week super sub on the bench.

Can see Stevie ending up in the MLS personally.

And that's not me having one go. Club legend but father time is catching up and does n't make the best business sense.

Sorry

Didn't really think of it that way Taffy. Stevie's legendary status is well and truly stamped on the liver bird. We will tell our grandchildren stories of the man who scored that screamer against Galatasary to keep scouse dreams alive. Then showed unquestionable passion and belief in Istanbul after being 3-0 down scored a header and rallied to crowd to believe this tie isn't over. Both him and Carra felt the crowds pain that night and decided I am Liverpool I will not go down without a fight. I am so proud to have been brought up in the city of Liverpool as our never say die attitude, humour and ability not to take ourselves too seriously red or blue is why Merseyside has the best fans and sports personalities in the world. Gerrards best days are behind him and like Carra we will miss him when he's gone but a new scouser will emerge with talent and fire in his belly. Step up Jordan Rossiter, Jack Dunn, John Flannagan and co the stage is yours. TAKE IT!

18 Jan 2014 22:08:35
I can't post myself. I have unregistered myself. But that made my cry. I want him to step down. But this is the best tribute to Steven Gerrard

Harry

Sorry eds this tablet must of logged me out. That last post was Scootinio. Thanks for posting anyway.

It was against Olympiacos, not Galatasary ^_^

18 Jan 2014 22:26:06
Galatasary? I think you mean olymiakos matey.

Yeah olympiacos haha don't I feel stupid. Too many shandys me thinks. Thanks for correcting me guys I shall remember to engage my brain in future. www.Iamatit.com

Thanks Harry apart from the glaring memory loss some posters have picked up on I'm glad you enjoyed it.

No mention of the Gerrard cup final against West Ham?

No mention of the Gerrard cup final against West Ham?

18 Jan 2014 20:15:28
Is Enrique going to be fit for the next match

18 Jan 2014 19:49:50
Two points dropped, even if we came back from two down. BR had wrong formation in first half, which was quite obvious. Second half we did great but lacked that killer pass. Cissokho is a black hole. Anything goes to him, goes out of bounds or to the opponent. Never seen a left back so useless at left back. I would prefer someone starting in a wheelchair next time over him. A little harsh, but he is truly useless. I realize we are short on LBs but why can't we put Johnson there and start Kelly at RB?

Whilst I agree Cisssoko is not the best, he is by far not the worst. The rest of the defence had a shocker. let's not make him the scape goat for all the problems. At least he had effort.

Also, now Gerrard has admitted he had a shocker and can maybe see he is better second half, can Brenda have the guts to use him as an impact player.

And as for the Lucas haters. ha ha

Talk about players changing games

I have to disagree there, definitely a point gained. We didn't play well but still got something from the game. A draw was more than fair in the end.

Sorry Taffy but nobody is making a scapegoat of Cissokho. He's useless.

I was going to say the same thing, Juicer. That is DEFO a point gained. Coming back from 2 down to tie a game we lost in similar circumstances last year shows the mental strength of this team. However, we have to b more proactive instead of being reactive while going about our business. AV played well and gave us our biggest challenge yet at home so props to them. In these situations, if you can`t win a game, damn well don`t lose it. Take what you can get and keep moving.

I think we were all happy to get to half time with something to play for. Apart from an awful miss and the width of the post it could have been 4-1. It wouldn't have been undeserved either.

Saying that scoring early in the second half you would hope we would go on and nick it. Following Lucas going off injured the tempo dropped again and we allowed av a bit more freedom.

18 Jan 2014 20:06:43
I am fairly naive to formations and tactics. But to my eyes why did BR try to play 4-4-2 when all season we have had our main success with 4-3-3? Was it purely to accommodated Sturridge? I am sure we have played a 4-3-3 with Suarez off Sturridge. Gerrard is a fine player but do we Liverpool fans get caught up in what he has done for the club, as opposed to what he can now offer? I love stevie but we seem to feel the need to play through him when he plays, like posted earlier it am uneasy with him given the responsibility of a holding role. Again I claim to know nothing about tactics I am just a general fan of 32 years, gutted with the first half today.

PM I personally couldn't understand taking Coutinio off. For me he had to take either Ally or Glen off. Take Ally off put Glen left back move Sterling right back. Take Glen off again Raheem right back. Couts passing today wasn't great but he showed me more than both full backs put together and young Stering can play RB he may make mistakes but he shows passion which Glen and Ally are sadly missing. YNWA.

BR got the changes right because they mad the impact required. That is a sign of a coach who knows he made a mistake and fixed it w/ immediate effect. Couts wasn`t having a good game and needed to regroup. He`s a wonderful talent and our future so don`t fret on that front. Couts wasn`t the problem today. Tactics and attitude were.

I agreed with taking Coutinho off tbh. I don't think we have the personnel to carry four attackers and for me it was either between him or Sterling, with Sterling being in much better form.

18 Jan 2014 19:57:52
A minor setback today, credit to Villa, they took the game to us in the first half and punished us for our slow start. We should have won but it just goes to show you cannot take anything for granted in this league. I think Brendan made a mistake with his team selection, Coutinho needs a break and as many of you have said, Gerrard looked unconvincing as the holding midfielder.
I knew Beneteke would trouble us but the ease with which he won long ball after long ball was concerning - our defenders just drop off him. Everton next week and they have real quality up front and Lukaku like Benteke seems to have the edge on our defenders.
In the end it is two points dropped at home, the top four race will be extremely tight which makes next week's game extremely important!

That will be a point gained to you sir because we were 2 down staring at defeat. We didn`t start fast and allowed Villa to take the game to us which shouldn`t happen. Our energy and intensity wasn`t there in the first half and that is down to BR. We rectified the situation in the second half BUT the damage had been done. We can`t win every game even though we try to going into every game.

18 Jan 2014 19:46:29
We need to be winning our home games a draw is just not good enough. If Everton beat West Brom then we ain't in the top 4 if lucas is injured he is the only defensive midfielder we have then it's going to be hard to get back in that top 4.

Don't be dramatic we are still firmly in the race for 4th

18 Jan 2014 20:30:37
Jessie

Everton will get a point from Anfield.

Harry has now outted himself as a blue nose. Bu seriously, Everton are good enough to get a point here because they are a good team as we SHOULD have gotten all three at goodison if the ref and Allen had done their jobs (not criticising Allen who had a good game today but stating a fact). We will have o earn the right to play and win so we`ll see. And even if we beat them, NOTHING would be settled yet.

18 Jan 2014 19:41:58
To be honest I honestly think we should do what United did with Scholes with Gerrard don't get me wrong I've grew up watching stevie he's my idol but he's getting on I honestly think he should retire after the world cup because he's done so much for the club and will always a Liverpool legend I don't want him hanging on a few years and ruining his reputation as one of the premiership greats my honest opinion

18 Jan 2014 20:29:24
Blaming everything on Gerrard is stupid, the whole team didn't play well, what about our defenders? When Gerrard was injured how many clean sheets did we manage? Despite spending lots of money in this area! Shifting Suarez from CF to LF isn't helping us neither playing Sterling every game? Today Gerrard passed some brilliant passes to sterling but he cocked up everything! Truth is we are not as good as people thiking but Suarez goals parpered the cracks now shifting him from CF to LF his less effective, we massively missed his goals today! BR has really done good compare to other mamagers in previous years but wasting some of our money isn't helping him neither our owners have got lots of money to cover BR mistakes, he needs to be extra careful when buying players/spending owners money!

BR learns from his mistakes very quickly (good job w/ the changes at half time). He`s still learning. And those who think we will win every game are deluded. Even Real Madrid don`t win every game.

18 Jan 2014 19:40:31
If ever a game evidences how much we need a physical, mobile, Alex Song type of player in our midfield it was tonight .

If one positive to take hopefully John Henry sees this for himself .

Once Sakho and Kelly come in we Will be a lot tighter at the back .

We'll never have a better chance to get top 4.

Do above and we'll do it I've no doubt.

Keep the heads up fellow Reds

We don`t need Alex Song. We need Lucas or a reserve player who can do the EXACT same thing he does so well. This is because when he doesn`t play, we struggle immensely.

18 Jan 2014 17:48:30
Anyone who thinks Gerrard can play that defensive role must be off their heads, he is shocking.

18 Jan 2014 18:07:23
He has been shocking from Years. But No. Legends always starts.

He will in time. but not halfway through the season. BR do the right thing and change it

Carbon copy of last years game

My God what is happening?villa have been crap all season and are playing like they are the home team.2-0 down this doesn't look good

Was about to Come on and say he's out of his depth he's shocking I really think he should go in at half time and ask to be subbed for the good of the team

You really don't have a clue Harry/Attitude.

Harry, you talk crap

18 Jan 2014 18:26:08
Sighs. been saying this all season. Lucas and Allen should be holding with Henderson ahead of them. Coutinho is not doing enough to get picked either but at least he has time on his side. SSS front 3. Job done. Our midfield is awful every time Gerrard plays in a deep role.

YNWAdam

Matt s you haven't a clue, he can't play the position, he is out of his depth. There should be no excuses that he is getting used to it, good god he has hundreds of games experience for Liverpool and England, it's a bridge too far for him, he's an impact sub now that's his position, this is for real not a Sunday morning kick around in the park, you can't play the position you should be replaced. We are trying to qualify for the Champions League.

Mcgoveb think there were just disargreeing that he has been terrible for years not that he's bad rubbish today

18 Jan 2014 18:30:21
Everyone can see playing this formation with Stevie g is not working we're absolutely shocking villa are having to much room in midfield, I would take off Gerrard and Johnson bring on Kelly and Lucas if I was brave I would go to a back 3 and bring Lucas and Alberto cheers

Exact same subs I would make, Adam. Allen for Coutinho, Lucas for Gerrard. Or, if Gerrard must be on the pitch, Lucas for Coutinho and let Gerrard play CAM so he doesn't have to defend.

Mcgoveb - I was referring to "He has been shocking from years."

Stevie has had to cover kolo first half

18 Jan 2014 18:49:17
Matt/Dyseny

You are an Emotional Gerard Fan. Open your eyes watch the game.

I did watch the game Harry/Attitude. Yes Gerrard didn't play well in that role. I was disagreeing with the fact that you said he has been "shocking from years" (it would be "for" years by the way.)

Learn to read.

I know that you have to have the last word, so be my guest.

Harry, Gerrard is wasted and risky as a DM but used as an AM he's still the best we've got.

18 Jan 2014 19:46:26
To Matt.

Year's means Plural. It can be 2 to Infinity. Gerard has been shocking from at-least last 2 years.

But Mate. why did you say I haven't got a clue?.

Harry Scousser

Bang! Game, set and match, Harry Scousser. Side note - will you address the attitude name, mate? I find it rather amusing but some Liverpool fans may find it confusing that someone with scousser (note the plural s ;-)) in their name also actively supports United.

Look forward to your next return of serve buddy

I think that's obvious Harry. At least to me it is.

Harry, I think he said you haven't got a clue because, you clearly don't seem to have one. Your views contradict themselves on a regular basis and you do talk a lot of rubbish.

Spot on Adam.

Ozone, you have NO credibility whatsoever to criticise anyone because you ONLY show up here when we don`t win. When we beat Everton and Arsenal, you will crawl back into your cave and back to sleep alongside the bears who are hybernating during this awful winter season. LOL!

I have to agree with Chris in Tamworth. Gerrard was too good to be just a defensive midfielder when he was in his prime and those attributes which are on the wane mean he can't be a good defensive midfielder now.
If he is to play it has to be in an attacking position for me, either that or as part of a 3 man midfield with Lucas and another.

18 Jan 2014 17:14:06
Eds, random question if you could answer it. Why are Liverpool changing there home and away kits every season now? Just that I've just seen the supposedly new kits for next season.
Many thanks in advance

{Ed002's Note - Kit manufacturers (in the case of Liverpool, Warrior) will look to obtain as much income as possible and the best way to do this is to introduce new kits each year.}

Thanks ed.

18 Jan 2014 16:43:55
Have to say lads I'm looking forward to the game but I'm very nervous. Two reasons for that. One is Villa have a very technical team. They can counter attack us with pace or we can defend deep and invite pressure which is very risky. The second reason is Skrtel. He is undoubtedly a brilliant no nonsense centre back, but he has to stop this shirt pulling in the box. So many times this season he has been guilty of shirt pulling, and I believe if it happens in this game Villa will get a penalty. It's just been pointed out by too many people, and now the referees are no doubt fully aware of what goes on. He's a huge figure and has a good jump and header on him, so I don't see why he feels the need to do it. He could cost us the game today if he doesn't cut it out of his game, so may as well stop it before it hurts us.

I don't mean to be negative but I have a bad feeling about today. Then again I had a bad feeling about the Stoke game and that worked out well. But it's just something about Villa that makes me weary. Hopefully we can out score them though.
Cheers,

{Ed001's Note - undoubtedly? I doubt it, he is extremely average and rash, lacks pace but I would say you were harsh on him being no nonsense. He has come on in leaps and bounds in his play on the ball.}

Yes Ed but I'd still class him as more of a no nonsense defender than a ball playing centre back. I wouldn't call him average, rash yes but not average. I mean quite a few times he has saved us this season with his last ditch challenges. He's a good strong defender and as you say he is rash, but he has saved us a few times this season.
ROI.

ROI most of those last ditch challenges came about because of his poor positioning in the first place. When Sakho/ Agger are fit I believe he wil loose his place much like last season.

18 Jan 2014 16:32:47
Lucas on the bench

18 Jan 2014 15:56:18
A bit quiet on here recently.

Whats everyones predictions for todays game?

We have a good home record this season and with SAS both fit I can only see a Liverpool win. However, due to our sloppy defending I can see Villa getting a goal too.

I'll say 3-1, Suarez to score first.

Red Rum

5--0 Sturridge 2 goals and Toure, Suarez and Henderson

18 Jan 2014 13:16:10
I live in Manchester and was bought tickets for the etihad with my American girlfriend thus afternoon. Hoping for a great experience and display of football. Although - I will be wearing my lucky Liverpool socks, and be leaving before the end to make sure we catch kick-off at anfield. Come on the reds! YNWA

18 Jan 2014 12:23:07
Seen sahko out in town shopping last night. I wonder if he's playing! i'm headed to the ground for pre match drinks. come on the reds YNWA

18 Jan 2014 11:18:13
We are linked with tello every window. Can we just sign him already!

18 Jan 2014 10:24:18
A query for Ed001 if I may, just wandering what your views are on Glen Johnson (apologies if you've already given!).

It seems to me that over the last few weeks he's becoe more and more careless with the ball bordering on some kind of lackadaisical foggy funk. He moves the ball slowly taking two or more touches each time, when he does get forward he almost inevitably misplaces a pass then looks virtually uninterested in getting back to help out meaning that the center backs are being drawn out of position. His defending has never been great but that side of his game also seems to be in decline.

Would you agree? Do you think it is an age thing, or just already one eye on a future move?

Your views would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

{Ed001's Note - I don't think it is his age, it is an attitude that has often come to the fore with him. He is just very laidback, it shows in his play, when he will often slow it down and dither, usually when we were attacking with pace. I remember when he had long hair and would constantly be fiddling with it, everyone used to complain he was too busy messing with his hair to play the game. In my view, that was just a symptom of an underlying issue, he needs to be pushed to perform at his best, and with us he is not being pushed. He waltzes back into the team the moment he is fit, no matter how well any replacement is playing.}

Thanks Ed.

Personally I think Kelly offers far more in defence and is not too shabby moving forward either. When fit, I think he should be ahead of Johnson.

I agree, Kelly should be in ahead of Johnson, I think Johnson has a problem with his contract negotiations and it's affecting his attitude! the amount of times he has played poorly and still gets in ahead of Kelly is a mystery, it would not bother me if we sold him while we can still get some money back.

18 Jan 2014 00:59:43
Moving away from the finance and the transfers, what are your opinions on Gerrard playing the holding role?

I personally can't see Gerrard being able to successfully perform the holding role. If he doesn't have the legs to play higher up the pitch he certainly doesn't have the legs to play as a defensive midfielder. I can see why Rodgers wants him in the side as his range of passing and vision are second to none, however Gerrard wants a static role where he can receive the ball and spray passes all over the pitch.

If he were playing in Spain, Italy or France he would be well suited as the game is much slower, but here in the Premier League he will get overrun in midfield. The team will have to play much more defensive as attacking midfielders will have to drop deep to help him out with his defensive duties, thus causing opposing teams to inflict needless pressure onto our defence. If you think we are conceding too many goals now it would be suicidal to continue playing Gerrard in this role.

Would Lucas have any effect playing in an advanced role?

I can't see Lucas having an effect further up the pitch. He has been a defensive midfielder for several years now and his game has evolved in a different direction. The only thing I can see Lucas doing from an advanced position is running back to assist Gerrard with the defending.

The only role available for Gerrard is continuing the partnership he has with Lucas in central midfield. I see no need for Gerrard to play deeper than Lucas. It is like playing Suarez out wide and Coutinho up front. It is not necessary to change anything as drastic especially when we are in a fight for Champions League qualification.

KISS! There is no need to complicate things.

I would like to hear your opinions, especially Ed001.

Red Rum

{Ed001's Note - it all comes down to him, if he can switch his brain over to a defensive way of thinking, then there is little need for him to have to do much running. He should be able to position himself correctly to cut down on that, the way Pirlo has been doing all his career. As for Lucas, he was bought as an attacking midfielder, I don't see the issue with finally giving him a chance to play as one!}

I know it was a tall order and only his first time in an advanced role last week, but Lucas was completely lost in the game against Stoke.

I am a Lucas fan and vs the Bigger teams as a DM he is exceptional at breaking up attacks.

Not convinced that he can play in an attacking position.

Cheers for the reply Ed.

Do you think Rodgers should continue with that experiment today? Or will it leave us too vulnerable at the back? Especially with Villa playing counter attacking football.

Personally, I would play safe and stick to what we have been doing all season. After all, we are sitting in 4th, why take an unnecessary risk?

Red Rum

{Ed001's Note - I would stick with it, very few teams are as poor as Villa are playing, it is a good time to get him used to it.}

18 Jan 2014 09:38:00
Now Sturridge is back I think we should go with a front three of him Suarez and Sterling. If you had asked me weeks ago there was no way I would have said play Sterling, but at the moment he is on fire.
I think even though we played better without Gerrard he is going to put in this sitting role now, so here is the dilemma. Who do you drop? Even thought Coutinho has not been to his usual standards. I think now is the time to give him a run in the number 10 role behind the front three. So this would mean dropping Henderson as the holding two will be Lucas and Gerrard. But Henderson has been great aswell so here is my idea for the time being.

Why not try Henderson at right back. His energy can get up and down the pitch and seen as Kelly is still not ready I think this would solve the problem for the time being. Also today I think we should give Smith a go at Left back with Sakho and Toure in the middle.

18 Jan 2014 09:57:10
Everything Fine, Except Dropping Hendo for Gerrard?.
Ohhh yes. Legends always starts.
Pls watch Liverpool Vs Spurs and check how good we are without Gerrard.

I agree Harry but I said above I think we played better without him. I just know he is guaranteed a starting place now he is back as I do not think Brendan will drop captain fantastic even though we look better without him these days. I agree with Adam that he should now be used as an impact sub.

18 Jan 2014 08:36:53
Players still available and attainable to us this window.

Y. Konoplyanka.
E. Banega.
F. Coentroa.
A. Yarmalenko.
X. Shaqiri.
Y. M'villa.
M. Montoya.
C. Grenier.
J. Pastore.
Jorginho.
A. Vadillo.


I'd be happy with any two of these this window.

I'd be happy with any one of these players, but I can't see any being likely tbh

18 Jan 2014 07:24:19
Eds or anybody who know, how is Kristoffer Peterson doing in the academy? Looks like a good player. Also what about Texeira?

Cheers

Quality player seen him a few times this season, just signed a new long term contract aswel so shows the club has faith in him!

17 Jan 2014 23:26:41
eds am I right in thinking that if Thomas ince is sold to a club outside the UK that we wouldn't get a penny

{Ed002's Note - If Tom Ince's contract runs down Blackpool will only get the mandated youth training contribution.}