Liverpool Banter Archive July 18 2016

18 Jul 2016 23:16:29
Guys, why all the b*tching and moaning?

I thought we were going to give Klopp a chance at building a team? Or was that all a front from us fans? With Klopp we were never going to get the kind of signings some on here are craving.

He hasn't even made it out of ONE summer transfer window and most on here are already second guessing and doubting - frankly it's embarrassing.

Like JK said in his recent interview stop getting on the back of players and clamouring for other players we aren't signing. Trust in what his team are trying to build and let's give them a bloody chance!

Otherwise we're quickly going to gain a reputation (if we haven't already) as the fanbase that gets on players back not only when they've signed but even before they put pen to paper!

We're so much better than this! I saw one poster call a potential player "garbage" earlier - is this what's it's come to? Let's have a bit of class for gods sake.

19 Jul 2016 01:47:33
so people just wouldn't listen when a bunch of us tried to reason that Klopp has little to no track record of signing big names. so not to be lulled into that false sense of security thinking he would magically change this fact because he is now managing the great Liverpool FC. some will just believe what they want to.

18 Jul 2016 22:32:43
Not been on for a few days as been manic in work. Anyway, now we supposedly interested in wijnaldum and dropping interest in Chilwell.
Really really hope this is not true, showing a real lack of ambition if true.

I hope this is just a bad dream because I can't be watching Moreno at LB in red next season.

Somebody wake me up please.

19 Jul 2016 02:01:49
How is Wijnaldum and Chilwell associated?

How is it that we are showing a real lack of ambition if LFC are buying a player that Klopp wants and will cost over 20m?

19 Jul 2016 07:25:38
@RealAG some of the comments beggar belief mate.

Continuing to sign players for huge sums of money = no ambition

There is an insatiable lust on this site for something, I thought it was money to be spent, clearly it's something else now - I don't know, I can't keep up!

Because like you say, singing GW must mean we won't sign a LB. 🤔.

19 Jul 2016 08:59:24
Puzzled no it means we should be putting the money into buying a quality left back, we won't pay the asking price for our first choice left back but you think its ok to throw money at a luxury in GW.

18 Jul 2016 19:23:41
Made me laugh today how many people have resorted to using GW initials because they can't work out how to spell his name. Some of these same posters call him lazy. Ah the irony.

18 Jul 2016 19:51:07
I can spell it (just) but it's just so much easier to use acronyms. From DLP to GW. I have a busy life man!

18 Jul 2016 20:07:37
Hence the 'MK'.
I can't even be bothered to type the long version of GoT let alone GW. 😄.

18 Jul 2016 21:02:45
MK is an acronym :O

I thought it made a 'MUCK' sound!

Like MkDonalds.

18 Jul 2016 21:10:16
Surely you should have used his full name if you were trying to make a weird point.

18 Jul 2016 21:40:36
Is that why we use BR, KK etc, because we can't spell their names or because we are lazy? Yes, very good post mate.

18 Jul 2016 21:46:08
If I thought we were interested in GW I'd bother to spell his name but as I'm hoping I won't need to use it again after this week I won't waste my precious time trying to!

19 Jul 2016 00:00:28
Who is GW?

19 Jul 2016 01:15:15
Ha well I'm not lazy anyway. Googled his name and all to make sure I had it right 😂 if he shows that effort and commitment he might just do okay 😅.

18 Jul 2016 18:39:56
Eds, am I hearing this right? There's reports that Lucas and flanno are going to be used as makeweight sin the deal for GW. The mind boggles. Views?

{Ed001's Note - swaps are rare for a reason.}

19 Jul 2016 01:16:28
I'm sure that's just people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 because raga is there.

18 Jul 2016 17:36:18
Jesus. Apparently GW is due to come to Merseyside for medical. Do not want this to happen, why can't we put faith in Brannaghan?

18 Jul 2016 17:53:15
I would happily take £15 million Zielinski than £25 million Wijnaldum.

18 Jul 2016 18:59:17
15M for Zielinski who could not make the team for Poland: that same guy who was utter turd when played against Ukraine to then be taken off at half time. Sorry pal but GW is miles ahead than Zielinski who has potential but unproven.

{Ed001's Note - oh well if you have watched Zielinski once then you know all about him. This is the kind of post that just makes you look silly. One game in a crap tournament does not let you know if a player is any good or not.}

18 Jul 2016 19:27:58
I agree that wijnaldum is probably the better overall footballer, and would probably contribute to us more but he's not the type of player we need right now. We are well overstocked in the forward positions. If he was a central midfielder then I'd have no problem but he isn't and zielinski is. How can wijnaldum be a back up target for someone that plays a different role? Their only similarity is that they are both forward thinking players.

Personally, I would prefer a more defensive minded midfielder because our problem was conceding not scoring last season. But I don't think that's what klopp is going for.

18 Jul 2016 19:34:09
The Wijnaldum rumours do seem to be gathering pace. If the rumours are true then, given the position he plays, I'd be amazed if he wasn't a replacement for Coutinho.

18 Jul 2016 19:44:05
Wijnaldum is certainty not a forward. I think there is a good chance Klopp will use the 3 man central modfield in a 4-3-3 a lot this season; the squad he is building and the recruits this summer points to a 4-3-3 and Wijnaldum will play in a 3 in midfield, not as a forward.

18 Jul 2016 20:27:24
For once AG, I agree. I think he will play a slight variation on his classic 4-2-3-1 and drop the centre of that 3 into midfield for additional solidity. What that means for Firmino though, I'm not sure!

18 Jul 2016 20:41:46
I really like wijnaldum, think he'd be a great player for Klopp. I think he could play the top of a midfield diamond or anywhere as part of the 3 behind the striker. I don't think we need him at all as we have multiple players in that position, so its a no from me!

18 Jul 2016 22:21:43
I think it would depend on the opposition and the type of game/ situation we are in, but the 4-3-3 can easily be changed to a 4-2-3-1 with 1 substitution and Firmino can always play as a striker too.

Henderson, Wijnaldum, Grujic, Brannagan and even Milner (if he plays in central midfield) are all box-to-box players, and this is what makes me thinks Klopp is looking to play a 3-man central midfield. And of course, if you have 3 central midfield players, you need goals from midfield and wide areas and the signings of Mane and the potential signing of Wijnaldum makes more sense then.

19 Jul 2016 00:02:02
Wijnaldum dropped by spurs- surprising at the price- could it be spurs will go for lallana?

19 Jul 2016 01:21:06
Is there any chance we can just give the lad a chance if he does arrive to at least see what his attitude is like. Seems like lots are listening to others opinions and taking them on before he has been given a chance. Happens so often and generally as soon as lots of fans get on a players back they play consistently worse.

18 Jul 2016 15:57:25
Hi Eds,

I hope you're all well. I was trying to locate the 'Macca Rumours' part of this site but couldn't find it. Can you help please.

I just wanted to read his more recent posts but could only find conversations where people are talking about him.

Cheers

Bryan.

{Ed033's Note - Macca Liverpool Rumours}

18 Jul 2016 21:06:12
If you search macca Liverpool rumours into google the page also comes up as the first result.

18 Jul 2016 14:42:30
Think Wijnaldum is a good player don't understand the negatives . Mind you most people like markovic can't get my head around that one has been out Shorne by a 16 year old boy in pre-season.

18 Jul 2016 15:16:19
I agree tbh mate.

18 Jul 2016 17:00:59
Woodburn has probably been the most impressive out of all the players in preseason not just marko, so by your logic, mane is pretty average as well then. Marko has actually looked pretty good in preseason. He's a type of player we have missed badly, especially last season. We have so many attacking midfielders, why add another to that list just because he's a decent player? Why not spend that sort of money on areas that we actually need to improve, like central midfield and left back.

18 Jul 2016 17:13:40
Sorry but Wijnaldum is anything but a good player, he's not a very good footballer and he's got no bottle for a fight.

18 Jul 2016 17:34:37
Mane has looked good in preseason, markovic hasn't, he looks shot of all confidence. Think for him and us he builds his career away from Liverpool. Maybe he will become a great player, but I don't think he will here.

18 Jul 2016 17:41:09
I think Wijnaldum's a reasonably good player, but we have no need whatsoever for another attacking midfielder.

18 Jul 2016 19:54:06
Wijnaldum found his level in a relegation side. He's not what we need and I'd be very disappointed if we sign him. That will be £20m+ down the toilet.

18 Jul 2016 23:15:33
Wijnaldum isn't anything BUT a good player. He's lazy, poor, no bottle and even got benched at Newcastle during the relegation fight. Nothing great about a player with those "qualities".

18 Jul 2016 14:15:05
I love how every player we have bought or we are looking to but is justified with meaningless stats and the money we could bring in from sales.
It doesn't matter if we bring in 100 million from sales. If we buy average players for 100 million, it's not "oh well we spent nothing or very little" it's another fortune wasted.
While many are praising our signings I am completely unconvinced.
We are signing another central back and we have plenty of cover. Its not a whine or being negative, it's being honest.
The players I am looking forward to seeing next season are already at the club .

18 Jul 2016 14:35:06
Who exactly is this plenty of cover. Wisdom and illori maybe do the see themselves as players who want to sit in a bench or maybe not even male it all yearm they need to go play football, weather on loan or sold. Sakho and lovren had numerous injuries last year. Gomez is injured again and has been out a long time. Getting a bit sick of this Lucas did ok as a cb so now he is an option. He is a cm and I'm sure he wants to play there. He is an actual footballer. Although he loves Liverpool I'm surexcited he won't waste his career on the of chance he gets to play out of position to odd time.

18 Jul 2016 14:00:05
Yet another Ojo assist btw for the England lads. The kid seems to have a knack for then.

18 Jul 2016 13:21:09
Anyone could help me on this.
What would Wijnaldum bring to the current team and where does he fit in.
Considering both Milner and Lallana stays and fight for that one aditonal spot in the midfield. Wijnaldum is a poor £25 mill wasted.

Wijnaldum goals could be compare to Milner's goal and assist last season ( both not playing the traditional CM role and either on the flanks or slightly high up )

If people are upset by the lack of goals from Midfield it's due Henderson and Can not scoring enough when it's clear Klopp only plays 2 CM every match.

Now the big question, Where would Grujic play if he is B2B player.

Wijnaldum wouldn't even make any sense given you offload Milner as Grujic would be the third midfielder.

Thanks.

18 Jul 2016 13:45:49
Milner did play as a cm last year. Yeah he ran all over the place and got assists from the wing but he shouldn't. I myself would sell Milner in a heartbeat. I like lallana but for all his silky skills and good movement he just hasn't been able to get the goals his quality should get him. No doubt spurs or someone will come for him and he will bang them in for them. Hopefully he can do it for us because he can be faulted for effort.

18 Jul 2016 14:07:58
Unrelated Harry, but your language is getting pretty shocking mate. This site has no age limit and whilst we've all sworn on occasion, you are now swearing in nearly every post. No need for it mate.

With regards to what you are saying, Wijnaldum scored 11 goals from midfield. The only player we had who came close to that was Coutinho. Firmino scored most of his goals playing as a striker, and Lallana and Milner would need to combine their totals to have as many goals as GW.

I don't think there is any reasonable argument that he is similar to what we have. We don't have a single player in the squad like GW. The closest is probably Firmino in terms of being able to play effectively behind a striker. Milner and Lallana are just hard working attackers who both perform better at least starting from a wider position. Coutinho is classy but he is also better starting from wide. Mane is a proper wide forward and his moving to a more central role last year coincided with his 4 month goal drought. We don't actually have a single central attacking midfielder who scores goals from that position. As I've already pointed out, Firmino got nearly all of his goals playing up front.

Why can't we have a £20m player on the bench as an impact player anyway? Joe Allen cost £15m and was used as an impact sub. And this summer the prices are essentially doubled. The nature of the game now is that you have a squad. I don't like it and am well on record as saying I prefer to give chances to youngsters. But you are one of those who argues you need back up players who can cone in without severely affecting the teams overall quality. So why are you now arguing an improvement to the squad. Wijnaldum is a blatant upgrade on Allen, Milner and Lallana!

Besides, we can only speculate on who is leaving. Maybe a surprise exit is on the cards.

18 Jul 2016 14:19:38
You do realise Wijnaldum is an attacking mid, who also can play on the left. He wouldn't be competing with Hendo, Can and Grujic, he'd be competing with Mane, Coutinho and Firmino.

18 Jul 2016 14:27:50
Yeah MKSCOUSER we agree fella 😆 I don't see this as the big waste of money most seem to see it. I think a lot of different tactics will be used next season so attacking players that can play various roles will be good. One thing I will add though is that we could do with losing a few like Milner and Lallana now. What do you think?

18 Jul 2016 14:29:06
Unrelated but he hardly swore, don't be so pc. On subject we don't need another midfielder even if two of those where to leave, we need to trim the squad without adding to it right now, so he is not needed regardless. If we are going to waste money add it to a LB signing which arguably is our most pressing position needing fixing.

18 Jul 2016 14:43:21
@MrWJonesy - completely agree, save the money and spend it in a position we are desperately in need of fixing. Wijnaldum makes no sense.

18 Jul 2016 14:52:39
Seano it almost seems that people think the only position that is important on a team is midfield! that is not Liverpools problem so let's fix our problems before we spend money on luxury signings we don't need. I would even rather see the money spent on a way to teach our club how to interact professionally to other clubs regarding transfers.

18 Jul 2016 15:08:04
MK, you are kidding right. We already have 20m players on the bench potentially with Milner and Lallana since Mane is here to play on the right and neither Englishmen can play in the center. Also, you said GW scored 11 goals from midfield. You do know he only score in SEVEN games and 4 of his 11 came in one game vs Norwich. Where was he the other 30 odd games? Also if he was that good and cosistent, why was he benched in the heat of a relegation scrap for being exactly what he is, lazy because he doesn`t press, the very thing Klopp hates or why Necastle are desperate to get rid? Maybe because MacLaren was a poor manager and Rafa actually could spot a poor player when he saw one? Therefore, your argument for getting a horribly poor player hold no water. We have better players than GW in our academy so for me, like I didn`t want Gotze here and thank heavens he isn`t coming, I don`t want GW who is not even anywhere near good enuff, here. Why? because whatever he "contributed" to the Magpies in getting relegated, I want none of it here at LFC.

18 Jul 2016 15:27:02
MK

Apologies for my language mate. Considering both Can and Hendo plays in the middle and wouldn't score for their life. The manager introduces Marko Grujic, Ojo, Kent, Brannagan or any Midfielder / Winger who would play slight high up. We simply don't need Wijnaldum. There are two strikes on the bench as well Origi and Ings to come in if Liverpool are chasing a game and need something different.
Milner is introduced If you want to stiffen up the midfield providing additional body to cover up.

Tell me where would Wijnaldum fit in? At a time you could field only 11 players and we have 2 strikers on tr bench waiting for a chance.

Wijnaldum, Zielinksi, Gylfi Suggursdson, Zander Herrerra, They're all similar type of additional midfielders which we simply do not need.

You,

That's possible and I have mentioned it in it post, Wijnaldum / Zielinksi would definitely make sense if you do not have Milner or Lallana.

18 Jul 2016 16:02:18
Poolie, we shall rejoice!

And Jonesy, barely swearing is still swearing. And I have seen him do so 4 times in the last 24hours. Unnecessarily.

It's not PC, it's just being well mannered.

18 Jul 2016 16:24:18
No worries harry. The swearing doesn't offend me, but the spike in posts on thus site during school holidays suggests there are a fair few kids on here.

I agree with you in that I also don't think Wijnaldum is what we need. I am merely defending him from the abuse he getting. I have said repeatedly I am not keen sue to his attitude. But I have also remained balanced in my argument and explaining his good qualities. He is a goal scorer. Who cares how many he scored in one game, or how many goals he scored in. He scored in 7 separate league games apparently. I bet that is a figure very much in line with that of Coutinho, Firmino, Milner, or Lallana. In fact I'll do the math.

Milner scored in 5 separate league games.

Lallana scored in 4 separate league games.

Coutinho scored in 7 separate league games.

Firmino scored in 8 separate league games.

All the goals Firmino scored where either as a centre forward or a second striker. He did not score once from midfield.

So what is this poor excuse of an argument that Firmino only scored in 7 different games. 7 different games from midfield? Are we now suggesting Coutinho is a bad player? Because he only scored in 7 games, and he scored less than Wijnaldum as well!

This is where stats get ridiculous. The simple fact is Wijnaldum is a goal scorer. I don't care how many were at home, are how many games they were spread across. He scored goals that earnt his team points; just as Coutinho did.

No, I don't agree with signing him. But I also am not prepared to question his talent just because he is lazy. By all means criticise his actual flaws, but making stuff up and trying to put a negative spin on him scoring 4 goals in a single game is really clutching at straws lads!

Nobody seemed to care that Suarez was a flat track bully who scored over half of his 31 league goals against the bottom 4 teams!

18 Jul 2016 18:04:37
Mk I actually liked wijnaldum a lot at psv and saw him play a couple times and tore through groningen and thought we should have been after him last season. However you can't say he scored 10 from midfield really when the goals against Norwich and Tottenham (I can't remember the others but watched these games) he almost had a completely free role if not wide right role in these games (similar to when he scored most of his goals at psv) he did also play deeper for psv in his last season at times but didn't score as many goals.

He is a luxury player essentially which I don't see the need for in our side unless as you said as an impact sub but I'd be more inclined to side that this should be youth here. If firmino were to leave you could form a role for him off the main striker and give him a free role to go out and get goals but again I'd rather keep firmino.

18 Jul 2016 19:23:12
In relation to Firmino Adam his work rate is actually excellent. He constantly presses and works hard both with and without the ball as well as continuing his running around. He never looks flustered or out of breath but the lad is a bloody hard worker - Wijnaldum is the opposite. Strolls around, tries when he wants and sulks when he doesn't: on the pitch a player you really don't want, a Ryan Babel clone. He might have ability but his mentality is all wrong - if we sign him it would be the mark on insanity.

18 Jul 2016 12:54:07
Eds is there any interest in Lallana? Seems strange for him to stay if Wijnaldum signs? Also has anything changed with coutinho does he still want to leave? I can only think there must be some serious departures if we are showing interest in like for like targets?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - little interest in Lallana right now.}

18 Jul 2016 13:00:46
Cheers Ed01.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}

18 Jul 2016 13:24:42
I really hope we offload him and get back some cash in. If Wijnaldum is signed I see no place for Lallana. Moreover he would block Ojo and Kent.

18 Jul 2016 13:51:16
I would pick Lallana over Wijnaldum anyday and Brannagan over the both of them.

18 Jul 2016 13:53:59
Hi GoT, I thought if Wijnaldum was signed you saw no place for Milner? ;)

Or perhaps you rate GW so highly you think he can replace two players? ;)

Just pulling your leg mate. Ugh! That's not your leg :O.

18 Jul 2016 13:56:38
Brannagan is my shout.

18 Jul 2016 15:09:12
I would sell both Milner and Lallana and not touch a much poorer player in Wijnaldum.

18 Jul 2016 12:37:51
Woodburn Apparently to not go on the tour of the US as he isn't legally old enough for some aspects of the tour? or something to that effect being reported in the Telegraph

Not read the article myself just passing on what I have heard.

18 Jul 2016 12:43:17
Klopps probably got some strippers and tequila bombs organised to help relax the lads.

18 Jul 2016 13:51:14
Ha not legal. He is a 16 year old lad, yes he did well but we have so many players to come back yet. Senior internationals, he will stay in Liverpool and learn and keep his head on the ground. Hopefully. Good job getting noticed in preseason but it is highly unlikely we will see him near the team again this year.

18 Jul 2016 11:53:39
So there's been a couple of interesting developments in the transfer market. First of all is Klavan, the jungle drums are that this is happening and, by itself, it's a simple and pragmatic move. There are obviously some injury concerns and he's been brought in to prevent us being caught with our pants down. What's more interesting is what this means for some other squad members. Sadly for those holding out that Ilori may finally get his chance his Liverpool career is clearly over. The purchase of Klaven shows that Klopp has zero faith in him. Hopefully the Olympics will put him in the shop window and he gets a good transfer. Similarly this is bad news for Lucas, not only is he rapidly dropping down the midfield pecking order he will now have little use as an emergency CB. Lucas is now one of the players blocking the path to the first team for our youth players and there is little reason to keep him beyond sentiment.

The other big rumour is Wijnaldum. First of all this guy is clearly very talented, an Eredivisie player of the year and a standout in an awful Newcastle team show he has ability. However I don't think this is going to happen. Mainly because Ed1's sources can't back it up but also because it doesn't make sense. The money and the profile of the player paint him as a first 11 player and, unless Klopp has lost faith in a player or we're about to lose someone, that doesn't fit the profile of who we're looking for this summer. Far more likely is that it's his agent trying to drum up interest in his client.

Finally a word on the performance of our youngsters so far. As per usual people are getting very excited but I would urge restraint in your optimism. First of all there's the context of their performances, pre-season friendlies are not the most useful yard-sticks. Second of all the fact that they are getting so much game time is because we're still waiting for a bunch of first teamers to return from their holidays. Lastly, thanks to our reduced number of games, I think we're going to use a much smaller squad this season and there will be scant opportunities for these guys to get game time. I'd prefer we give them another year out of the lime-light so they can focus on their development.

18 Jul 2016 11:09:53
With the US tour coming I can't help buit feel our young players have really done well for them selves. IF I may ask your current view on Connor Randall, a while ago this what was said "Randall is good on the ball, but he is still very new to the role and struggles defensively. He is tenacious and keeps going, even when he is struggling, but it is mostly potential that he possesses "{Ed001's Note - not sure, he looks good but he needs a run out to have a proper look at him. He has only recently been switched to right back, but he seems to suit it naturally. He looks physically ready, but in need of experience in the role to really grow into it. I would like to see him given a chance in the cup to have a good look at him. } Do you think he has improved and worked his way up the picking order or we should not really be reading to much in these pre season games. Thanks again for all the work you people do. Kind regards.

{Ed001's Note - he did show improvement each time he played, he grew into each game. However, I still have fears over his end product, he doesn't really offer a lot on the ball, yet. He needs to work on that.}

18 Jul 2016 11:30:56
Thanks Ed, I hope we help him improve on those, showing some good signs there. Thanks again.

18 Jul 2016 11:47:52
He looks OK to me but an average delivery into the box at best, and he misses some great opportunities to play others in (last game perfect case in point with Manes run) . I'd rather see Gomez or Flanno backing up Clyne.

18 Jul 2016 13:16:03
I thought he struggled defensively yesterday. I know it's only a friendly but it did stand out for me.

18 Jul 2016 10:12:26
These youngsters I'm really starting to admire, I think we have a good few, who in the future can be real stars. I think it must be the first time in a long time we have some of the young ones who have real talent.

Do you expect klopp to rotate them in the first team this season?

They need gradually putting through, problem is, we have a large squad, will they get a look in?

18 Jul 2016 10:48:27
Hopefully the squad will be trimmed further and the kids can get a few cup games and a few runs in the team if injurys take hold.

18 Jul 2016 13:14:26
Stewart and Brannagan are certain to get first team actions along with Ojo this season. I expect others to go out on loan including Kent.

18 Jul 2016 10:11:13
Sky sources confirmed that we are close to Klavan but no info on Wjinaldum, don't mind Klavan for £4m but do we really need another attacking mid? Coutinho/ Firmino/ Mane/ Lallana/ Milner/ Markovic/ Ojo/ Kent can all play in one of the 3 behind the striker so it makes no sense spending £20m on another one unless it's a world class upgrade or someone is leaving. Buy a bloody left back already.

18 Jul 2016 10:30:22
Would love to know what a "sky source" is.

18 Jul 2016 10:35:28
Bbq source?

18 Jul 2016 10:41:24
It means they read it on Twitter Mikey! And I'm not even joking!

{Ed001's Note - they claimed it was Sky sources that told them that Spurs wanted AVB, when it was only on our Spurs site, as everyone else was saying Moyes at that time. So they defo just nick stuff off sites online. That wasn't the only time they have done that, just the one that comes to mind.}

18 Jul 2016 10:44:35
I think he won't play in attack midfield position. So far this pre season Klopp being playing a 4 3 3 . He can play cm like he does for Holland . But I would rather let a kid have a go. But if Klopp buys him I back him.

18 Jul 2016 10:46:12
Sky sources are basically every newspaper. They never get an exclusive, they just follow what the papers are saying.

18 Jul 2016 10:49:21
Sky source is a little like ketchup mikey.

18 Jul 2016 11:13:19
Might get myself a fancy, well paid job at sky just reporting what I see on here. Seen more exclusives on this site over the years than I ever have on sky.

18 Jul 2016 12:33:33
I didn't know that Ed, shows how popular this site is though!

I only know the Twitter thing as I know a former Blackpool FC journalist and an SSN presenter who both told me that Sky sources for Blackpool FC news was what they read on this particular journalist's Twitter feed!

They do never get exclusives though! That honour belongs to this site as far as I'm concerned, I come here first and foremost for all transfer news! Don't believe it until I read it from the Eds haha!

{Ed001's Note - it is sad really, they make huge amounts of money from people betting on the fake stories they spread. The least they should do is try and verify them.}

18 Jul 2016 16:48:26
Reggae Reggae sauce? 😎.

18 Jul 2016 09:52:42
Can I just throw it out there as I thought it would have already been on the site.
How cool did karius look? I know with keepers you mostly have confidence in them until they make a blunder but he has an aura about him and he just seems a supremely confident upgrade on migs! Pray to god he can save the ball as well.

18 Jul 2016 10:14:27
People had digs at him yesterday for his mistake. Every player has mistakes, I, like you think he looks pretty damn good. I know he's not been properly tested just yet but I think and believe he will be one for the future. He'll do us good no doubt.

18 Jul 2016 10:47:28
I would rather he got any mistakes out of the way in pre season when it doesn't matter. As long as he plays well when it counts, that's all that matters. He hasn't really been tested in the three games so far.

18 Jul 2016 10:53:59
Just more the confidence. he makes you (me anyway) believe he'll keep a clean sheet where as migs at this stage any ball in or even any shots at times last season I was watching through parted fingers.

18 Jul 2016 17:58:14
He does look confident, i remember him coming for a ball very confidently off a corner and it's something simple but i turned to my brother and said migs probably would have flapped at that. Also everyone makes mistakes, he recovered it okay. It was a little bit tricky with the pass back i thought.

18 Jul 2016 08:55:28
If we were signing Wijnaldum from PSV people would be busting a nut over this deal.

He is a goal scorer. Simple as that. He isn't fancy. He is just a powerful attacking midfielder who gets into the box and scores goals. Do we really have that in the squad? Because I think our biggest issue was a lack of players attacking the box.

Where I am skeptical is that je completely gave up when Newcastle started to struggle. As if he thinks he is above a good battle. Not a very impressive mentality.

Is he better than Firmino though? Probably not. A better goal scorer, but his all round play is nowhere near Firmino's. Perhaps Klopp think we have enough good players, and not enough goal scorers though. How many times last year were we the better side by miles, only to lose because we couldn't put the ball in the net? At least 12 points must've been dropped like that!

Not my choice, but not a bad player at all.

18 Jul 2016 09:38:18
The rumours appear to be false mate.
He's just a player that can appear to look world class on match of the day but in reality is a bit garbage.
We should stay clear.

18 Jul 2016 09:56:10
Thing is MK you are trying to appeal to the masses on here who just haven't got a clue what they are talking about.

Every player signed isn't good enough.

Klopp managed to improve all our squad last year so what can he do with any other number of players we sign or have interest in?

I like to judge players after a couple of seasons it's the only way. Lucas, Hendo, Lovren for example amongst others. Then decide whether we keep or sell. But to put anyone down before they sign just isn't on. Even when they have signed it's a joke.

They are playing for us and they need our support. Again this will fall on deaf ears or be open for the trolls but if this attitude doesn't change we will struggle to get to where we want to be. It's not the attitude that made this club what it was. And it's the attitude that all our rivals laugh at.

Over to you lot.

18 Jul 2016 09:58:43
Mk, Wijnaldum was the man dropped by Benitez as he had no bottle for a fight. Newcastle fans cannot wait to get rid of him they dislike him so much, ask yourself why no one else wants him? At PSV he was the same, and I can assure you that I didn't want him when he was at PSV either. Will be a stupid and frivolous waste of money if we buy him.

18 Jul 2016 09:59:53
Mk, Liverpool created more chances and scored more goals than any other side since the start of the year. This was claimed by none other than you. Y would we need to spend money on another Attacking Midfielder? How would you line up with Wijnaldum and who is getting drop to the bench. This is a crap signing. This makes only sense if Milner is offloaded which is not the case.
£25 mill for some one to come off the bench.

18 Jul 2016 10:17:07
All it'd need is for ed001 to say something mildlt posirive about GW to sway opinion. we are well stocked in his position. I hope that the only thype of attacking player we get now is a young future stud.

18 Jul 2016 10:18:28
Mikey he is definitely not "garbage".

I've seen a lot of him prior to him even joining Newcastle. In fact I wrote an article which included a player review on him back in the day when this site had the articles page so that must've been circa 2013. He is a very talented player. Not the most gifted technically, but he is like Lampard in his ability to score scrappy and almost lucky goals.

He was widely regarded as one of the top young midfielders in Holland. And believe me, for a player like Wijnaldum to be appreciated by the Dutch is a rarity. He is not a typical Dutch player. His game is effective, rather than fancy.

I do not want him based on his attitude. The way he just stopped working for the team in the second half of last season was disgusting. But if he signs, I'm not going to pretend he isn't a good player. You don't score 11 goals in a shockingly average Newcastle team if you are a bad player. And you certainly don't score 4 goals in one game. The only players I can think of in recent years to have done that are Defoe, Aguero and Suarez. And they're strikers!

There is just no need for the abuse he is getting before it's even confirmed that there is genuine interest. By all means, question his attitude. But don't just make stuff up. I mean "garbage"? Really? That's a disgusting way to describe anyone in any profession; or any walk of life for that matter.

Ed002 will be turning in his rocking chair!

18 Jul 2016 10:18:28
Mikey he is definitely not "garbage".

I've seen a lot of him prior to him even joining Newcastle. In fact I wrote an article which included a player review on him back in the day when this site had the articles page so that must've been circa 2013. He is a very talented player. Not the most gifted technically, but he is like Lampard in his ability to score scrappy and almost lucky goals.

He was widely regarded as one of the top young midfielders in Holland. And believe me, for a player like Wijnaldum to be appreciated by the Dutch is a rarity. He is not a typical Dutch player. His game is effective, rather than fancy.

I do not want him based on his attitude. The way he just stopped working for the team in the second half of last season was disgusting. But if he signs, I'm not going to pretend he isn't a good player. You don't score 11 goals in a shockingly average Newcastle team if you are a bad player. And you certainly don't score 4 goals in one game. The only players I can think of in recent years to have done that are Defoe, Aguero and Suarez. And they're strikers!

There is just no need for the abuse he is getting before it's even confirmed that there is genuine interest. By all means, question his attitude. But don't just make stuff up. I mean "garbage"? Really? That's a disgusting way to describe anyone in any profession; or any walk of life for that matter.

Ed002 will be turning in his rocking chair!

18 Jul 2016 10:29:04
GoT we scored a lot of goals but our main problem in attack was that not enough players got into the box. It was obviously not as big of an issue as the defence or the keepers, but Sturridge, Lallana, Coutinho and Firmino all come to feet looking for the ball. Why do you think Klopp preferred Origi at the back end of last season? Or why do you think he's signed Mane?

We scored a lot of goals, but they tended to come in more open games. As in if we scored 1 we'd get a few more, or struggle to score again. And in some cases we couldn't even break the deadlock. It is games like that where you need players who score ugly goals like Ings, Origi, Mane and Wijnaldum. The back post headers, the 6 yard box tap ins, deflected shots etc.

You can't pass it into the net in every game. Sometimes you just need to put the ball in the box and win the second ball.

We scored a lot of goals, but putting 5 past Norwich and 6 past Villa definitely offset that statistic. Previously when I brought that up I was merely defending our players who were getting slaughtered for not being able to score. Which is BS. But in certain games, we weren't direct enough!

I agree he has a bad attitude Dennis. I did state that in the OP.

18 Jul 2016 10:16:47
I must admit, I'd welcome the kid with open arms. I think he'd bring a lot. But, do we need him? We don't. But if it happens then fine. We move on and wish him well.

18 Jul 2016 10:37:27
Sorry Adam but I just don't see the fuss in him myself.
Maybe garbage was strong, but he's certainly not a good player, he's a player who's wasting his talent, but it's no good having talent without the drive to use it.

18 Jul 2016 10:57:27
I would think its an absolutely stupid signing if we signed him with our other 5 attacking midfielders already on the books. Secondly this idea we should open our harts to all players if they join, i certainly wouldn't if in some parallel universe Joey Barton signed. I wasn't too enamoured when Ballo joined, feel vindicated on that one. If you think Klopp can turn any player in the world into a world beater he might as well just sign me, ill literally cost nothing.

What we need right now is the right players for the the right positions, and he frankly doesn't tick either of those boxes right now.

18 Jul 2016 08:23:29
Looking too deep again this morning i see
If Wijnaldum comes whose to say he won't be a hit? This isn't playstation soccer, the lad got 11 goals last year in a totally inept side imagine what he might do for us in our side, as for those saying he's not needed and why him instead of Zielinski etc last years midfielders hardly tore up the scoring charts did they, Allens off and there's nothing to say Klopps totally sold on Henderson or Can, both don't score enough and both aren't the most dynamic youve ever seen so why not someone who will pitch in? It also seems to me Klopp prefers to outscore teams not sit back and defend so why moan about a dm coming in, he's clearly not really going to use one and just have a midfield that works as a unit, personally i don't get the dm obsession at all
Also the new cb coming in, he's 30, experienced, a captain so a leader and something we were moaning about not having last season at the back so what's the problem? I don't know what names we're waiting for or expecting but its got daft at every club this expectation of superstars with fancy names, I don't know how lots of you would have gotten on 25 years ago when the likes of Ronnie Whelan or John Aldridge signed youd have blown a gasket! Haha
Give whoever comes a go before you write them off you never know how they might turn out.

18 Jul 2016 09:14:41
Well said ritchie- I remember aldridge and houghton signing from oxford utd- 'who' lots of us said! Soon found out!

18 Jul 2016 09:50:25
What is it with this blind optimism from fans, who wear rose tinted spectacles in any given situation? Fans a right to a degree of trepidation given some of the monumental failures of previous regimes. Liverpool has this amazing tendency to pay over the odds for players who play in lower half teams in the PL. I actually can't recall the last player who has been a sensation, or a top drawer player. We have obtained good players Hendo, Allen etc but they are not to drawer.

18 Jul 2016 09:48:21
Wijnaldum and Milner in the same team makes no sense what so ever. Someone has to go and I can't see Milner moving. James Milner scored more than our CM's last season is not an argument at all.

Read your reply further diwn and I am with you in the need of a Midfielder and how we lost the battle in the midfield last season but how on earth would Wijnladum help Liverpool. We don't need another ATTACK MINDED MIDFIELDER. Instead of looking behind Can, we are buying players to play gutter up is Naive thinking in my view.

18 Jul 2016 10:04:12
Aldridge had a massive reputation as a goalscorer at all levels and was widely acknowledged as a superb striker and had his choice of clubs, so that is a stupid analogy.

18 Jul 2016 10:42:10
Harry, Wijnaldum and Milner in the same team actually does make sense. They are not even remotely similar players. Milner is a work horse who battles and gets good crosses into the box. Wijnaldum is the guy who waits for the right moment to get on the end of those crosses or bury the subsequent ricochets.

There are literally no similarities between Milner and Wijnaldum. What a silly comparison. Wijnaldum is unlike any player we have had in recent years. He is like Lampard. Doesn't really run with it, doesn't cross it, can't defend etc. He just comes alive in and around the box with little flicks and shots. That is his game. Milner? For crying out loud mate, you might as well have sign posted the fact you have never seen Wijnaldum play!

18 Jul 2016 11:01:16
Wijnaldum is a player we simple do not need right now, good or not, we are over stocked in that position. It is as simple as that! are we going to play different cam's every half of every game, don't need subs in other possitions during games.

18 Jul 2016 13:22:55
MK,
Where did I compare players? That's actually what you do. You cannot have two midfielders who wouldn't play in the middle and only wide out or up front in this same team.

Would you have both Milner and Wijnaldum in the same team? For any role given to Milner should be given to Wijnaldum. Whether he shifts to the flanks or plays high up. A team consist of 11 layers and you cannot have two Lampard's or Milner.

What's the role of Grujic if you think Wijnaldum is the one to get into the box?

You just bring in stats and comparing Player to Player where we should look what position and attributes the player brings different to the current team.

18 Jul 2016 13:31:52
Wijnaldum is lazy, inconsistent, has no bottle and is frankly too lightweight. We have a gaping hole in the middle of the pitch and we buy a player that can't press, can't tackle and who's output is pretty poor when examined further, he is very one paced and is physically a very weak footballer so he is a pointless signing.

18 Jul 2016 07:02:48
2 rumours of transfers this morning and a lot of doom and gloom all of a sudden - cheers up guys.

Everyone on here is so quick to get rattled. What happened to letting Klopp have a crack at it. This is first window to bring in players and people are b*tching.

Everyone did the same when Mane rumours broke and now he seems to be accepted as a good buy a few weeks later - madness!

Stop second guessing every move and hanging off journalists every word.

18 Jul 2016 08:07:18
Thing is that Mane is a player that we need, a fast direct winger. Wijnaldum is not a player we need or want. He offers absolutely nothing that we don't already have. What can he do that Lallana, Coutinho, Markovic, Milner or Firminho don't already? He's certainly not a centre midfielder and is a waste of very precious resources if the price is as qouted and given we quibbled over small amounts of money for Zielinski who actually is a centre midfielder but are seemingly prepared to go for over £20m for a man who did nothing to help his team stay up last year is baffling. I would be disappointed if we wasted money on him.

18 Jul 2016 08:26:42
Did nothing to help them stay up apart from 11 goals from midfield in a dire side, i really don't get this we don't need anyone mentality when it comes to midfield go back and watch most of last season and see where we lost games
Give it a year youll see this side with different eyes.

18 Jul 2016 09:39:59
@Shankly look back at some of the posts when Mane signed - "we don't need him", "waste of money", "let's just play Markovic and Ojo" etc etc.

Many have AREADY changed their tune. And now he's considered a good buy. It's ridiculous!

This fickleness and misplaced arrogance from some fans it's getting beyond a joke.

I like Mane and I like GW. I have honestly never heard of Ragnar. If Klopp thinks they're what we need then I will give them a chance to prove themselves. If we can't even offer them that chance, then what hope have they got?

18 Jul 2016 09:45:44
Mane wouldn't have needed had we shown little faith in Markovic last season instead of shipping him out for Lallana. Wijnaldum makes no sense what so ever. Newcastle will rob us on this deal.

18 Jul 2016 10:07:51
Newcastle fans can't stand him, he went missing in important games and was dropped by Benitez for having no work ethic, Benitez wanted his midfielders to press when not in possession and Wijnaldum wouldn't make challenges for the ball and casually watched players go by him as he wasn't interested. This man is not fit to wear the red shirt.

18 Jul 2016 10:48:56
Andy Carroll all over again.

18 Jul 2016 06:49:26
Ed1 - your thoughts on Woodburn?

Didn't hear much about him b4 but suddenly he's the next Dalglish . :)

{Ed001's Note - not seen enough of him to judge him to be honest.}

18 Jul 2016 07:39:25
Still to early, think he is be due back at school some time soon any way, still a player with great promise.

18 Jul 2016 08:01:49
He's 16 which says it all. We don't need to be forming opinions on him, good or bad. Let the kid breathe and space to develop. We pile too much expectation on our kids. Just enjoy watching them grow into professionals. Yes it's ok to say the kid is showing promise but for me that's about it at this stage.

18 Jul 2016 09:34:00
Maybe let's wait until he's got his driving license before passing judgement? His movement and composure look good enough for him to be comfortable at U21 level.

18 Jul 2016 03:36:03
What position does Wijnaldum play?
I have to admit I saw very little of Newcastle last year. All I know is he was their top scorer.
If a cm that would be nice as we have little goal threat from that position. However I imagine an attacking mid to add to our long list of players there.

18 Jul 2016 05:18:58
Yeah he seems more of a attacking midfielder/ forward rather than an attacking central midfielder which zielinski was supposed to be. Different types of players and wijnaldum is more comparable to goetze than zielinski so there must be players leaving. I wouldn't be suprised to see coutinho go, and if he does and this is supposed to be some sort of replacement then it's Suarez all over again, just a watered down version. I liked wijnaldum when I did see Newcastle play but I wouldn't have minded him coming in before mane came through. Now we are just spending for the sake of it I feel.

18 Jul 2016 06:10:34
Wijnaldum is a central midfield player with an attacking mindset, just like Zielinski. At Feynoord, he usually played in central midfield in a 2 or 3 man midfield and as a right midfielder during his early days. If he comes in, I suspect he will play in central midfield.

18 Jul 2016 08:12:35
He's too weak to play centre midfield in the premier league and he's not a centre midfielder, (he's barely 5'9" and couldn't knock the skin off of a rice pudding) which is why he played wide for Newcastle. He's frankly not very good technically either and his attitude is pretty poor, he's certainly not worth whatever Newcastle are asking for him.

18 Jul 2016 08:59:16
Don't know how you can call him weak? Again just because he's 5'9? Sterling became an incredibly strong player that could hold the ball up at 3'8! Wijnaldum certainly has strength and was excellent in Holland where I actually saw him quite a bit. Mainly played higher up or off the right or as a leading box to box player in his final year. Not 100% sure he is what we need and what worries me is the attitude problems (unsubstantiated by all accounts) but he was not at his best last year. Would be a gamble but if he comes he's definitely worth giving some time to! Again though the reports by most accounts seem unsubstantiated aswell so we will have to wait and see.

18 Jul 2016 02:27:20
This Wujnaldum nonsense has transfer committee written all over it. If you can't get Sanchez, buy Rickie Lambert instead. If you can't get Zielinski, buy Wijnaldum instead.

When will we ever learn?

18 Jul 2016 05:05:38
Lol, Rickie Lambert was not an alternative to Sanchez.

18 Jul 2016 05:32:34
This post is nonsense. Lambert wasn't a replacement for Suarez or an alternative for Sanchez, more like aspas. zielinski and wijnaldum are different types of players, they play different roles so to me it doesn't make sense, we should be going for a genuine central midfielder not another forward/ attacking midfielder. But as oppose to your other example wijnaldum is actually a better player than zielinski, just not required and too expensive.

Klopp has the final say. Whether it's a player suggested by the 'transfer committee' or not it's his say whether we get the player. If it was a ridiculous suggestion surely he would be the first to say no, so this has klopp written all over it. Just like caulker and the rest of them are all klopp signings. Whether they are klopps targets is the real question, but the man is a football manager, he should know the players that would improve our first 11. So far, I'm not so sure.

{Ed001's Note - Sanchez was meant to be the replacement for Suarez.}

18 Jul 2016 00:38:59
Seems that half our transfer policy is to get in players that played well against us especially the players we get from PL sides.