Liverpool Banter Archive October 18 2015

18 Oct 2015 21:12:31
in view of our current striker dilemma, could Balotelli be the answer? could top of the klopps do anything with him?

18 Oct 2015 23:36:52
Simply put: no.

18 Oct 2015 23:52:24
Tbh when we signed Mario I hoped it would be a turning point in his career and he would knuckle down and show his ability.

Sorry if I misquote been remember eds saying he is overrated and agree/disagree.

In terms of footballing ability personally think he is top class, seen him live and can clearly see he is immensely talented. Even half trying showed and ability to control and play the ball better then most team mates.

But his movent and positional sense is non existent. can call ibra lazy all you want but at least he is in the box to head the ball home. Dunno if footballing tactics can be taught be if so makes it more of a shame because is a supreme athlete and technically blessed player.


Just lacks any form of application or intelligence to apply it. and that's coming from someone who crossed very possible digit that he'd come good.

18 Oct 2015 23:59:36
Not a chance. He does not fit in. Research shows that in some games he only managed to run twice the distance of Mignolet! Lazy!

19 Oct 2015 00:40:07
I'm just checking if Klopp likes static movement from his strikers and a can't be arsed attitude.

If not then someone else will need to give him a place to play - remember when he said he was at Ronaldo's and Messi's level - thing is he might get close if he tried!

Foe now I'd have him no where near our club.

19 Oct 2015 04:54:48
Imagine Balotelli with Kuyts energy levels or Suarez's will to win, he would be immense. Unfortunately, we would be better off signing a striker from the Sunday leagues than rely on Mario's care factor.

19 Oct 2015 11:24:54
Balotelli is an irrelevance. Klopp is not dumb enough to bring back the circus clown.

19 Oct 2015 13:21:14
Annie,

Have you received any hate mail yet from Sunday League centre forwards claiming deformation of character?

19 Oct 2015 13:19:38
Hoola, think he might of been referring to Fifa 15 when mentioning levels.

19 Oct 2015 20:26:50
Marshay - that recent a version - I thought it might be 2013 or before ;o)

18 Oct 2015 18:41:41
Any idea which clubs are showing an interest in Hakim Ziyech? Friend of mine from Holland says he's the leagues best player.

{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages please.}

18 Oct 2015 16:52:21
@Ron keague, did you fully support/get behind Roy hodgson and were you proud of the fact? Ditto Hicks and Gillett? Asking you in a new thread because the old one is probably on banter page 3 by now. Expect your political reply in 5432.1.

18 Oct 2015 18:15:12
Don't hold your breath, Waro. He will spin it like his BFF politician/former manager used to do before he rightly got the boot.

18 Oct 2015 18:38:06
You guys remind me of fans of rivals who are obsessed with LFC. You're obsessed with my comments.
What are you hoping to achieve. Whatever it is I hope it quashes your obsession.
I've answered this before and I expected you guys to remember. As Ed002 would say, use the search engine.
😎.

18 Oct 2015 18:50:07
Well deflected Ronald, obsessed with your comments? Was it not you who jumped on what I said earlier when I hadn't mentioned your name whatsoever? In fact, I could have given you loads on a number of occasions over the last few weeks when you did a complete 360 on your opinion of Rodgers, but didn't bother, you sounded more confused then scobby doo at 1 point, but if you feel singled out by me for some unknown reason, then don't comment on what I post. SIMPLES👍.

18 Oct 2015 18:54:43
Correct redohio, at least it's not just me who can see him and his acolytes for what they.

18 Oct 2015 20:54:24
I have to say from the outside looking in I feel your pain Ron. Take it as a compliment that's what I do when with rival Man U fans etc :-)

18 Oct 2015 21:06:46
Wow you need to get over yourself mate.
It's a banter site, if you're going to put comments out expect people to reply but if it bothers you so much you should have said. I won't reply to you anymore. 😆.

18 Oct 2015 22:41:09
Great Ron. I'm saying!

18 Oct 2015 22:57:29
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Ed033's note - This site is for talking about Liverpool FC, not for having digs at other posters or Eds.

18 Oct 2015 15:58:14
if anyone has anything bad to say about yesterdays game need to get a grip on reality, we played away and got a point and come away with a clean sheet, we never had our 1st or 2nd choice striker so goals were going to be hard to get for us and we did nearly score, spurs are unbeaten this season so to beat them would have needed our 1st and 2nd chice strikers and all our top players playing in the game the fact we never had these players meant we were handicapped before a ball was kicked, even with all our players fit it would have been hard to beat a team that is unbeaten,

our defence made some errors but the work rate of the other players made sure we were not punished for them, and i must say mingolet looked a different keeper,

our midfield worked hard and because we had our main strikers out then the ineperience of Origi meant they could nold not use him to total effect, they ran down players and set an high tempo from the start,

our GK looked a different player like i said and i hope he gains a lot of confidence from this game and that should make his a better keeper for the rest of the season who should get better and better because he did produce some class saves

over all though i was looking forward to this game and i enjoyed it, it was refreshing to see the players work so hard and closed the spurs players down all over the pitch yes our players tired but i'm sure that will not be the case as the season carrys on because JK will make the players fitter and if yesterdays game is anything to go by then i'm sure we will only get better, especially with our best players to come back from injury, you have to walk before you can run but we have taken our 1st steps on the road to glory.

18 Oct 2015 16:04:05
United beat spurs.

18 Oct 2015 17:51:35
DBoi, was that not at Old Trafford? Whereas he is referring to Spurs at home.

18 Oct 2015 18:20:00
If you really want to credit Dembele and Ali, good luck mate. They are a very average side with Lamela ( one of the most expensive flops) got the better of Clyne and Milner throughout.

18 Oct 2015 20:14:55
Eds, is unbelievable, Harry?

{Ed033's Note - Well, harry was pretty unbelievable.

20 Oct 2015 14:12:29
thanks red lenin, maybe some are not happy that we never lost and kept a clean sheet plus we had so many players out who could have won the game for us, but everyone sees the game differently, but jamie carragher said almost the same as me about how the players closed the spurs players down and how good it was, so again a lot of fans on here are still not happy, even though it was new tactics and formation and with a new manager plus not a full team also, anyway i really do believe we will carry on with the closing down all over the field and we will get better and when the injured players come back we will score goals that will give us a chance at winning the games, players like sturridge and benteke and next season danny ings and a new plaer.

18 Oct 2015 13:21:33
Ed01 i was just wondering what you thought of jonjo shelvey? Do you think he would ever have made it at liverpool in time or was it a good decision to let him go?

{Ed001's Note - I don't think he was good enough, though he does have a good attitude. When you compare him to other players, mentioning no names of bewigged English internationals with a similar weight problem that just carry on with being pounds overweight eating kebabs and smoking, Shelvey realised there was an issue and hired himself a dietician and a chef to prepare the right types of food. He works hard, on the training ground as well as the pitch, and will be a good player, but he is not going to be top class for me.}

18 Oct 2015 14:20:49
Loved him myself. Think he'd walk into our team. Hoped he would of been future captain.

18 Oct 2015 14:51:11
Olly I think he will be top class if he gets the right coaching.

18 Oct 2015 15:02:12
I don't think he will ever have the mobility to be the best but there is nothing wrong with getting the most out of your game. A lesson for everyone.

18 Oct 2015 15:28:07
Shelves was a decent player that needed games to grow. he wasn't going to get that for lfc. Stevie seemed to have great admiration for him and I think he saw a bit of himself in jonjo. Strong in the tackle decent passing range and even though shelves had his mental lapses he never shyed away. You only have to look at his Swansea games vs us for the 2-2 where after 2 howlers he still wanted to be in the field and was involved in the swans 2 goals. he always worked hard in training when you hear from former players as carra, suarez etc.

It's a shame that in that deep role england will always pick jack wilshere who offers nothing as a deep lying playmaker in passing range or tackle.

18 Oct 2015 15:46:57
For every good thing he does he makes a mistake and his head drops too easily for me. He has a great passing range but likes the Hollywood ball a bit too much but it can work. The thing I always disliked for us is the fact he is over 6ft but could never challenge sufficiently aerially for me.

18 Oct 2015 16:37:31
Always felt if you could have moulded him and Henderson you would have had a top class player.

Cheers.

18 Oct 2015 18:21:39
Ed01, disagree there. He is a far better passer of FOOTBALL Than Milner + Can put together.
But I would play Rossitter ahead of Shelvey.

{Ed001's Note - not sure how that is relevant or how that is disagreeing with me as I never said anything to the contrary? Sometimes I wonder about people like you, who just seem to be trying deliberately to pick a fight for no reason other than your own inability to read. Shelvey can be an excellent passer of the ball, but he is prone to turning the ball over trying to make an impossible hollywood pass when there is a better option. Plus he lacks pace and his positioning defensively is awful. Then there are his idiotic rush of bloods that see him get carded for no real reason. All of those things are why he is not and never will be top class.}

18 Oct 2015 21:13:14
Shelvey looks good on match of the day highlights but for me he simply does not have a good football brain. He plays the wrong ball way to often. As a result he gives the ball away too much by trying passes that simply aren't on. I still don't think he is worth the money Swansea paid for him!

18 Oct 2015 13:15:05
Just spoke to Mr klopp and the guy is brilliant proper gent only spoke for 5 minutes and didn't tell me much but just the way he spoke about liverpool and how he is growing too love the city an intense fans :-) I really hope this is the start of great things.

18 Oct 2015 12:18:00
No bashing of the team or manager like some of you daft Arse lot. No I applaud the performance yesterday. Under the previous regime I would not of felt as confident with a full team as I did with yesterday's injury ravaged . The team put a shift i could see the beginning of what will become the norm. First time in ages I haven't fell asleep / lost interest during a game . We could all see the individual improvement but what stood out more than anything for me was the manager. He was involved throughout very animated and more than anything I never seen him once with a note pad or pen. Total focus. BR would of been professing his brilliance at that result an circumstances. Not Jurgen. Utterly delighted YNWA.

18 Oct 2015 13:20:56
Spot on, John! BR would have been up there professing pointless platitudes that have no basis in reality. As Klopp said, football is football no matter where you play it so the team is talented. All that was needed was a manager who would show them the way and give them confidence and freedom to play, fight and not give up. That much was clear from the first whistle. Chuffed to bit with Klopp's arrival.

18 Oct 2015 14:25:12
Me too Red. Long time coming.

18 Oct 2015 14:29:03
john i felt more or less the same mate, JK is a breath of fresh air and he is like a fan living every moment and kick, i think we did very well in the game and its a point that might be the difference come the end of the season, under BR i never looked forward to any of our games and in the end i stopped watching the games and did not look forward to any of our games.

18 Oct 2015 14:35:23
1. They gave it there all. Didn't let off the throttle but maybe ran out of fuel and give credit to Spurs, they're not rubbish are they! - we ran the most out of any Prem team this week.

2. Most Spurs chances where poor decisions with passes (this can hopeful be coached out if the team) .

3. Sturridge, Benteke, Henderson and Firminho back soon.

18 Oct 2015 11:56:03
After readin some of the plaudits skrtl eas getting on other websites but seeing sakho was as said to not being at his best it makes me wonder what game they watched skrtl was hesitant out of position and at fault for most if the attempts let's hope klopp drops him soon time for someone else to partner sakho!

18 Oct 2015 12:11:08
People see the game differently, and sometimes only see a mistake that was caused by players being out in awful situations by other players etc.

Also there are a lot of people that enjoy the game and watch the game but should never open their mouths about it as they really don't get it, even pundits all have different opinions and they get paid to speak rubbish.

The game will always cause debates.

18 Oct 2015 12:32:34
I thought Skrtel was absolutely awful punctuated by him making some fantastic tackles. It was odd, he was my only real negative from the game (apart from not scoring of course) .

Came from a lack of talking to anyone around him and not having the pace to make up for his mistakes, sometimes he would step up with Kane and force Sakho to make last ditch interception and tackles when it didn't come off. There was the mix up with Clyne because he isn't talking to him, though the short pass from Lallana wasn't his fault.

18 Oct 2015 12:37:39
Skrtel more or less gave the performance I was expecting of him: Made a couple of great tackles and blocks, but on the whole struggled with Kane's physicality. It's been a recurring theme with him and will likely continue to be. He was a bit more purposeful on the ball, but I think that was because the team were encouraged to try and move the ball into midfield and then into attack more quickly than they're used to under BR.

18 Oct 2015 13:25:15
Skrtel will always be a ball and chain to our defence regardless of who the manager is. I hope club can either improve him or get shot of him although I don't believe the former will happen.

18 Oct 2015 16:04:36
Agreed with most comments but he really looked leggy and didn't have a clue about position there's one time were he is playin rb even tho clyne was there leavn a huge whole at cb that only sakho had covered could be costly playin him there muxh longer let's hope klopp either sorts him or drops him.

18 Oct 2015 11:21:49
For me the two players who struggled with the pace of the game yesterday were Lucas and Skrtel. I would expect Henderson to come in and replace Lucas when he's fit so that's no big deal. But Skrtel is an absolute liability and needs to be replaced, yesterday he was all over the shop and hopefully Klopp saw how bad he was and he gets dropped for the next game.

However I would like to get Ed001's opinion on whether Klopp can get the best out of Lovren as he as already proved that he can play the high pressing game at Southampton or is he not likely to get another chance due to some fans getting upset when he gets selected?

{Ed001's Note - Klopp will not pick players based on who the fans do or do not want. Lovren needs to calm down a bit and not try quite so hard, it is entirely possible Klopp can work with him and get him playing, but I personally think he might just need a change for his own sake. A fresh start somewhere else.}

18 Oct 2015 11:38:18
Yeh right drop lucas is it you not some of you make me smile.

18 Oct 2015 11:45:45
I thought Lucas and Can did well yesterday.
For me, Hendo replaces Milner who was bunk.

18 Oct 2015 12:04:57
Hendo couldn't do the job Lucas does and it would be a waste of his talents trying.

18 Oct 2015 12:36:07
Lucas was fantastic, Henderson would probably come in for Milner I would expect. Similar players except Hendersons passing is better, Milner runs a bit more.

18 Oct 2015 13:32:25
Thank God, Kloppo is not the real Klopp. Lucas was awesome but Skrtel was not good. I think Hendo should come in for him, as Ron said. With Can, Hendo and Lucas in central midfield, the high press will be in full swing. As for Lovren, he's same as Skrtel. Either they improve or they get sold, end of.

18 Oct 2015 13:49:37
I think I'm coming across badly here. I am a huge Lucas fan and I didn't say he played badly just that pace of the game did at times seem a bit too much for him. Just my opinion guys.

Also thanks ed for the reply.

18 Oct 2015 14:48:28
If your a fan of his well then yes you come across badly! Lucas has enough haters without his supporters questioning his ability. Tha lad never goes missing an has risen to every challenge an I have NO doubt he will raise it again. I'd let him use my toilet as I know he'd clean that mess up too!

18 Oct 2015 11:11:04
We have now played Arsenal, Everton, Man United and Tottenham away from home, with Man City and Chelsea coming up.
Apart from at Old Trafford, we have taken points away from those teams in those fixtures.
3 draws away at those 4 teams is a decent return, and will put us in a good position after christmas when the return fixtures start coming round.
You could see the level of pressure Klopp expects when in defense, hassling players in packs and forcing mistakes. You can see why it is so effective once the players fitness gets there.
Looking forward to seeing what we can achieve in the coming months.

18 Oct 2015 10:31:47
This clean sheets stat is an odd one. The broad consensus is that our main problem is the defence. The fact we have more clean sheets than any other team in 2015 suggests otherwise. Perhaps this perception that we are poor defensively is due to the fact that when we do concede, it's often been heavy and occasionally calamitous - 4 at Arsenal, 3 at Utd, 6 at Stoke. Perhaps it's because we just don't look solid and sure of ourselves at the back but are, evidently, pretty effective at least some of the time. Perhaps it's because all we remember is Mignolet slicing yet another kick into touch. I'm really not sure, but like most people I don't have a great deal of confidence in the defensive side of our game. However, on the face of it, the stats suggest our problems may lay elsewhere.

18 Oct 2015 10:44:42
Fair point mate. Worth mentioning that a major chunk of them 'conceded goals' where infact individual mistakes. Slips ect. Which is down to lack of concentration and lack of confidence really.

18 Oct 2015 10:47:09
Rr
The premier league is miles of the quailty of Spain and the bundesliga. I mean arsenal as title contenders, United? Are you having a laugh. They may well challenge but both are piss poor compared to the top European teams who would demolish thEm. Mate we have a dire defence. IT needs major improvements especially Clyne and moreno who now both really need to up their game defensively. Skrtl Is the biggest problem but will he ever get dropped sooner than later? Mignolet is all we have probably until next summer so we will be riding our luck with him for a while.

18 Oct 2015 11:12:29
We kept clean sheets at the expense of expansive football.
However you view the formation, we had 6 defensive players on the pitch,3 cb,2 wingbacks and a dm. We were so worried about conceding with 4 at the back, because of Brodge that we neglected the need to attack, and relied on a fair few wonder strikes for wins. The formation BR simply used from Basel though was soon found out, hence at the back end of last season we picked up 8 points from 24.
It started the same way this season too, with us so scared of conceding goals we played 6 defensive outfield players. Even then we've still looked extremely shakey and Migs has saved our bacon on many occassions.
Try to remember stats aren't eveything, we conceded a truckload with SASAS but we ended up 2nd, we shored up out defense at the cost of expansive football, and finished 6th.

18 Oct 2015 11:16:15
Bobatron
No mate under Rodgers we were shocking defensively and offensively.

18 Oct 2015 11:44:44
Big Al. Where did i say that we weren't shocking, I think you agreed with the point I made?

18 Oct 2015 12:08:05
I don't we've kept more clean sheets I think it's mignolet in 2015. Considering Cechs only played a handful for Arsenal, Courtois has missed some through injury and suspension and that only leave de gea and hart. It's a nice stat but there so dependant on other factors, I bet mignolets played more games than the other top half club keepers.

18 Oct 2015 13:51:10
Is it not normal to get more clean sheets when you play 6/7 defensive players? Within 20 minutes of watching us vs Spurs, you can tell what a competent manager can achieve as in, play expansive footie and keep the defense tight because clearly, it can be done. BR always sold this pathetic idea that to defend better, you need more defensive minded players hence if you can't score well, hold hands and hope Couts or Benteke score a worldie. Another one of a plethora of reasons he got the boot.

18 Oct 2015 20:07:23
I think right we have some sort of basis in Defence one season was minners not one game off ght golden glove? It is shambolic at times and others we have little glimpses of that was well done. But overall shambolic. I think it was down to poor coaching and just no tactics at the time. As Redohio stated 6/7 defensive players on the pitch you would hope to not concede or concede very few. I rate Sahko and clyne very highly. Moreno for me i think has looked out of shape to when he first came he looks slower, i know he's rapid but maybe not quite as rapid as he used to be when he first came in? Klopp's heavy training if that is happening will most likely solve that! I think it's kind of like we have the right ingredients for a sound defence bar maybe minners he looked better against spurs though just not the right recipe or chef if that makes sense now JK is here i'm sure we will improve :) .

18 Oct 2015 10:10:52
Really hope texeria gets a chance next game because I think he may well offer more than a few players going forward atm.
I heard a lot of lallana plaudits yesterday but I don't know if fans watched the full game because to me he was poor, he's an attacking player and didn't offer anywere enough. We need sturridge back as soon as possible who's got the pace and will atleast but his boot through the baLl. So for me texeria and Ibe in place of lallana and milner to give them a shot but I'm not sure klopp will drop them, we'll see.

18 Oct 2015 10:35:44
Jordan Rossitter for me should start the next game ahead of Milner.

18 Oct 2015 10:47:48
Rossiter is injured mate is he not? He sustained a bad injury in an England u19 match I think.

18 Oct 2015 10:50:26
Finally. A supporter watching the same game as me.
Milner and Lallana have been nothing but average. I've also said it before when magic little Tinho isn't on form, we don't win!
Kloppo will fix this though we'll have world class players at this club soon.

18 Oct 2015 11:22:50
Dboi
The money is not there anymore, I think some fans will be in for a shock because there's this presumption we will sign reus etc which will never happen. We have not got the money mate. Rodgers spent above and beyond. We will have to sell to buy but we have a good squad. We need two mmaybe 3 at most first team Players. A top goalkeeper, possibly a central defender if klopp deems so because apart from Sakho lovren has not performed, toure is not a long term solution and sktrl well we already know. Gomez is promising but is out for a season and will take time to develop again. And a midfielder, can and henderson are both quailty but we need a top midfielder to ping and create, a deep lying playmaker. Kovacic would have been perfect but f#cked that up. So Imo to challenge 3 players maximum and klopp could really turn us into something else.

18 Oct 2015 11:39:22
I don't think we're going to splash out but I also don't think we're broke either.
January will be quiet, we know that.
Let's see where we are in May. If we're top 4, there will be money available. Players will be sold on too. We might have to see a big player sold in order to fund purchases.

18 Oct 2015 20:13:01
Big Al and Dbol i agree with you both ;)

Lallana for me has been poor his whole Pool career not saying he doesn't work hard, He ran miles against spurs but really fails to bring anything really. I know he had injuries etc but so far just pretty average. Milner for me in cm is poor. Just watch everytime he hits a through ball, or long ball over the top. It's over hit by a large margin 9/10. He can't penetrate through the centre. I like watching fast flowing football cutting through opponents with neat passing. Couts and Can like to drive, Hendo i know isn't quite as gung ho but times he likes to make a run. Milners passing is subpar, i think positioning in the centre isn't great but given he's a winger by trade not surprising. i'd rather have Tex given a go to see what he brings as appose to milner. I think AL could improve but JM just can't cut it. Also how can you make him a vice captain before he'd even kicked a ball. Plenty of players infront of him for me. Lucas being the stand out i think!

18 Oct 2015 09:12:26
I don't see what was impressive in yesterday's game apart from first 10-15 mins. Most of the game we were playing ball in the air and not on the ground.

Origi: The guy doesn't seem ready for premier league yet. Loses ball very easily and fades during attack.

Defense line: So many errors were committed. We were only lucky not to concede 2-3 goals only because of Mignolet and 1 block from Sakho.

Coutinho: He is too inconsistent for my liking. No where near world class like Silva.

Milner: Sometimes it seems to me he just runs without contributing anything to the attack.

Clyne: I was happy we signed Clyne but he has been disappointing.

Moreno: Inconsistent again.

Lallana: Doesn't have that finishing touch inside the 30 yard box.

I really hope klopp can change the approach of these players because as of now it doesn't look good and we are in for a very difficult season by the looks of it.

18 Oct 2015 09:32:50
Wow and the negativity begins.

18 Oct 2015 09:51:55
Clyne has been very good this season so far, Moreno is improving all the time, Lallana had his best game in a red shirt yesterday and pressed very well, the team did a job yesterday which was to get a result and something to build on. First half we made a few mistakes, but second we defended very well, much to work on but promising signs.

18 Oct 2015 09:57:55
What's a 30 yard box?

18 Oct 2015 10:02:26
I agree there is much to do but.

Sturridge, Benteke, Ings, Gomez, Hendo were unavailable, many thought we were there for the taking.

If technically we weren't great at least defensively we showed a collective desire to keep Spurs out, Hopefully we can keep this mentality, we have talent in the ranks going forward but we have been rubbish at the back since Benitez left.

Less concerned about individuals as the team got a result.

18 Oct 2015 10:05:22
We have been poor all season and managed to keep a clean sheet against a team who innihalated city - Klopp has had 3 days to get his team ready, and without a lot of key players, and a striker who just had his EPL debut - players also need to get comfortable with the new tactics.

I actually think it was impressive that we didn´t lose - please have patience!

18 Oct 2015 10:08:22
Firstly it was an OK performance; however when you cannot understand the tactics we are playing, formations with players playing out of position and a previous manager not with the knowledge to change things then it was a promising performance.

A couple of answers to your points above; a week or so ago Sky sports commentators did a team of the season thus far (I'm not suggesting they are all knowing) but 90% had Clyne as their RB.

Origi had a 91% pass completion yesterday; was up against the defence that has conceded fewest goals this season (and a team who beat Man City 4-1 last game) .

No offence but your not a believer ;o)

18 Oct 2015 10:08:25
This is not our first choice starting eleven and I expect quite a few in that line up to be dropped in coming weeks.
I wish we used our academy better than buying some shockers.
One big question in front of Klopp would be who is our Gundagaon.

18 Oct 2015 10:11:52
3 days with a new team and 5players 3who probably would have started out injured and your whinging already, some people are never happy.

18 Oct 2015 10:12:06
Jeez stop being so negative sasha. It's one game in. he's not the Messiah! Lol. just give it time. Have faith. YNWA.

18 Oct 2015 10:12:34
Most on here were crying for a bit of passion a couple of weeks ago. We were determined not to lose yesterday, is that not what we've been shouting for? We had very few first team regulars available in Klopp's first game, what do you want? Some people don't deserve to call themselves fansfans.

18 Oct 2015 10:44:27
Sasha = doubter.

18 Oct 2015 13:56:38
I guess Sasha is one doubter can't make into a believer.

18 Oct 2015 20:17:43
I thought a big improvement yesterday. I thought really towrds 65 mins onwards when everyone looked knackered the old tactics which had been coached into the players previously started to creep back in again. You can't expect a miracle in a few days. Be nice to look at the team by January think we will be playing good football by then after a good few months with JK and his team and getting used to what they want of the players! I honestly think some of the players will improve on a personal level hugely. Thinking Hendo will benefit a lot from JK.

18 Oct 2015 08:40:12
Hey lfc fans.
I think the new manager will obviously have an impact . In time and with a better squad

Because at the moment to stop Liverpool scoring all you need is to surround coutinho

We don't have fast tricky wingers to open up spaces for any Liverpool forwards when fit.
Two week ago sturridge made goals in his own skills

So I think the team is a lot weaker than most people think. We miss pacey skilful wingers to really add to what Liverpool have already and I think it would really make a huge difference in being right up top.

18 Oct 2015 09:02:47
That's a hash reality which people won't accept and you could find unlimited names thrown to cover those positions.
We missed the trick in the summer on two signings.

1. Top class CM ( Milner ll never be a CM )

2. Over confident in Ibe to replace Sterling.

18 Oct 2015 09:08:54
There is no doubt in my view that Klopp's sucssess will be dpendent on his skills to buy well. Very well. The current squad can only get us that far. And he will need a bit more luck with injuries. I still can't believe that 3 of our 4 strkers and by far the three better strikers are injured.

18 Oct 2015 09:27:49
With all due respect to personal opinion what a load of bollox.

The squad is fine. It was the manager before the squad when BR was here, now there is a real manager, its the squad.

I have no idea what the score would have been had br been in charge yesterday but given 3 days we ended up with a clean sheet and the best chance in the match.

Klopp doesn't need to buy, nor can he unless he sells, he needs to tighten defence, make players believe, work some new youth in and get some injured back training, then given time, the results will come.

I have no idea why people screaming for Klopp, get him, then heap huge pressure on him expecting instant results when something as basic as moral was at an all time low.

WestHam springs to mind. The squad is not comparable to the City squad let's say but hey they are not so far behind them in points.

Just don't expect instant success. Though personally I would take a draw with the spuds any day over a loss that would have been the most likely result if BR was still there.

18 Oct 2015 13:59:23
Spot on, RedaalLover! Let the whining begin.

18 Oct 2015 14:01:46
Absolutely spot on redallover.

However the one thing klopp has to do is get the players to take responsibility, as at any good team, and get everyone trying to get on the score sheet.

Lallana, can, milner, origi, allen, henderson, ibe, these players need to start grabbing games by the scruff of the neck, start more moves, score more goals, attack with intent. I know they can do it and some have done it at previous clubs.

But at the moment, the solution is to just pass the ball to coutinho, who isn't even as good as everyone makes out to be, and hope for the best. And like many posters have mentioned, when coutinho doesn't play well, we don't play well. True top teams never have that problem. Rooney hasn't played well in months. United still win. Hazard didn't even play for chelsea yesterday. Chelsea still won. Aguero and silva didn't play for city yesterday, and they still won.

More players need to grow a pair and take reaponsibility, i believe klopp can get them to do that, because that's what top teams are made up of. But like you said, morale is at an all time low and it will take time.

18 Oct 2015 20:23:45
I agree with most of that AW, well said only thing i disagree on is PC.

18 Oct 2015 02:19:19
Good game. I will let ed01 analyse the game but from what I saw it was a great improvement.
As Klopp had said we have to first become a tram that is hard to beat and think all the players did a good job.
Iam not expecting miracles but as fans we always hope for them! Give him time and Klopp will deliver.
" don't call me Jesus and say next day that I can't walk on water " ; from Klopp's press conference.

18 Oct 2015 07:15:44
I'm a united fan, I watched the Liverpool vs Tottenham game yesterday with a little bit of excitement because of klopp but was let down thoroughly, I'm not being biased or anything but I don't get why reading comments on here people suddenly are over the moon with that performance. The first 15-20 minutes maybe but after that I thought Liverpool looked average and where lucky not to be beaten, when Dembele got man of the match I was thinking to myself, it should be mignolet just because his couple of saves basically saved you. It was boring yet every Liverpool fan I've heard from thinks it was amazing. I don't get it.

18 Oct 2015 07:28:53
Klopp himself said it was an 'okay' performance, which is what it was as it was neither great nor terrible. That said, it was quite a bit better than they have been lately and at least the players showed some passion, so encouraging in that regards. Spurs also played pretty well and are a good side, so not exactly an easy game either.

18 Oct 2015 07:31:18
Well it was better than 1-2 at home to Swansea 😉.

18 Oct 2015 07:39:08
When you watch your team playing week in week out and you see no appetite, no desire, no strategy, no tempo, no conviction.

When your team gets beat by Stoke (SIX goals! ) .

When you see a new manager, huge desire, hugely improved workrate, a group of players fighting as one unit, wearing the shirt with pride, showing honesty and endeavour.

THEN my friend you will "get it".

18 Oct 2015 08:06:05
Red Ted u can say that about the Stoke game but if your going to bring up games from last season why not mention the 2 games against Tottenham?

18 Oct 2015 08:12:33
I think its a reflection of just how poorly the team has been playing
that we are happy when we see them actually looking bothered and competing hard for every ball, even if only for 20 mins.
Its a completely new tactical system though, so it will take time for those ideas to bed in and become habit- and for the players to have the fitness needed to carry out klopps system. Its very early days and a long way to go, but yesterday was a definite improvement on the later rodgers era performances, and when the key players are back fit, that will lift us further still.

18 Oct 2015 08:37:43
Anonyrush

Thank you, all I wanted was a genuine answer. That's the thing that concerned me yesterday. Liverpool came out 100mph but in my opinion looked tired afterwards.

18 Oct 2015 09:05:24
You also have to bare in mind we're missing Henderson, who I see as our creative centre midfield player. Then take out Sturridge and Benteke who are our main goal threat, it was never going to be the most attack biased Liverpool side was it.
Yes at times we were sloppy but so were spurs. Yes the same poor defensive mistakes happened but the manager has had 2/3 days wirh his players, and some things you just can't fix but in time you can strengthen.
Read a post highlighting our lack of pace, especially on the wings and I for one agree profusely. But this is our squad and we are rebuilding.
0-0 away to spurs is a good result considering this season's form, they've only lost one game and conceded 7 goals. Forget the hysteria, any team would have taken tha. Prior to ko.

18 Oct 2015 09:10:19
Maybe the fans seen enough in the first 20 mins to be optimistic about how the team could play in the future.

18 Oct 2015 09:13:26
We were ok and did a good job, Spurs are a very average side without Son and first choice CM.
We pressed and won the ball back but lacked vision to pick players and dictate the game.
I had no clue what was Milner / Clyne doing on the right hand side. Lamela had acres of spaces.

18 Oct 2015 09:19:46
It's also worth remembering that Spuds have been in really good form recently. Yesterday was going to be no easy game. We also had a number of injuries so our options where limited. Spuds only really had dier missing and who replaced him? Dembele. Who was man of the match.

While Spurs did have a few good chances they where practically all from errors we had made. That was actually an encouraging sign because on the whole (bar those few errors) we where much better defensively. We looked tough to break down again. Errors you can cut out but it was nice to see we could actually defend.

Yes we didn't have any real attacking flow in the second half but you take away all those attacking options and you aren't going to pose the same threat. You can't throw Origi in for his first start and expect him to produce like Sturridge.

Why we are so positive about such a seemingly average result? Because there was a noticeable difference in the team with only one weeks work with the new man. I was far from expecting miracles but I was surprised by how quickly they have adapted. Our next long run of games is encouraging and if they can continue to show the same level of improvement week on week then I don't see why you could be anything other than positive.

Don't break out the celebratory cakes and the bunting but it was a professional enough away performance with encouraging signs of improvement in keys areas.