Liverpool Banter Archive September 18 2011

 

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18 Sep 2011 23:33:38
Think I'll have to avoid the site until next week when we beat Wolves, it's ridiculous reading through the **** after a loss it really is.

We'll beat Brighton, Wolves, and hopefully do Everton the following week, then the very same people saying "awh i dont trust kenny, were a midtable team, hendo carroll skrtel adam blah blah" will post "in King Kenny we trust, we need skrtel in our squad, adam is a bargain" really now?

Get a grip so called supporters, its two games.

Even last week we could have maybe should have win, its just how it goes sometimes.

Sorry for the rant, but I know so many reds are feeling the same, thanks Eds.

Reliable Red {Ed001's Note - I am with you, I am so bored of the knee jerk reactions after one bad performance.}

I don't suppose I could start a "Rafa Benetez, please come back" campaign?

A return to a "Fact" rant would be great.

How about Kevin Keegan, as your next manager?..."I would love it if we beat them, love it!". Fantastic motivational TV moment, only... then he lost..bless.

Sir Alex x

Hey sir alex x(?) , im not a liverpool fan but i think you should stop because,
Its not good to kick other when they are down
You are using saf name badly to come here and be hated
You wouldnt be here if they were doing well
So stop
Or change sign off

Alex u need a gf or u 2 ugly to get 1, if this is the only way u can get exciment if ur life i do pity you

 

 

18 Sep 2011 23:33:23
13/5/2012...............that is the date we judge how the season went, not last week, today or when we beat the Arse........wise up people there is a long way to go yet, christ i remember losing to Man City at Xmas and being written off yet still winning the league! I am not saying we will win it this year, far from it, but 5 games in, c'mom get a fookin grip!

Post of the day

The problem is the owners expect CL football and if it starts to look by Christmas that we won't get it, then KK will be gone, which would be a grate shame.

Ash

 

 

18 Sep 2011 23:33:08
Only one person to blame for today's performance and it wasn't the ref - the manager - why on earth play skrtel at right back? He should have been I'n the middle with Agger and carra on the right - and after skrtel was sent off why wait another ten mins to bring on a couple of subs - let's just give em another couple of goals while we think of what to do!! Kenny looked like woy I'n the dug out today - clueless. I love liverpool but we made a mistake to bring him back - Adam, Henderson, and Carroll all out of their depth - little Jay would have done a better job I'n the middle - amateurish managerial mistakes from the start set the tone for the day -
Dalglish is no saviour and if everybody took off their nostalgic heads off they would see it for themselves

Wow...a manc stating that he loves Liverpool

Sounds like a realistic Liverpool supporter to me :-) .... HERBIE (MUFC)

Carra on the right v Bale, I wonder how much better that would of gone...

Swop red card Skyrtle for red Carra! Good thinking!
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 23:33:01
bad day at the office lets move on and get behind the team i'm looking forward to gerrard's leadership when he is back.
JJ blackpool

 

 

18 Sep 2011 23:28:13
I said after last week that Hendo should not play against Spurs and Bellamy/Kuyt should have been given
a game- many came back and said don't knock the lad- he may have potential but today showed that at the top level of the game he is way way out of his depth- bed him in slowly- but FGS dont let him play in these crucial games

 

 

18 Sep 2011 23:27:49
September not even out of the way and already 8 points dropped. That is just not good enough. Its time to take of the rose tinted glasses with regards to kk. A legend without a doubt but results and league tables don't lie. (Rdred)

8 points dropped? So we simply just pick up an extra 18 by beating the top three teams back to back this season . Easy. Wee buns. Ok, so realistically speaking that's a tough ask, but who knows? Football has a habit of going against all odds at the best of times [The Atatürk Stadium, 25th May 2005...] I honestly cannot get my head around the amount of growing criticizm following recent results mainly because, as quite a number of posters have already pointed out, we're ONLY 5 GAMES INTO THE SEASON! Some supporters should pop some solpadeine, take an early night and get shot of the hodgsonitis which still seems to be going around since last season. There's a number of new additions, be a bit more supportive of the players - defensive frailties, individual weaknesses or whatever the problem is, and allow them time to develop and gel together. Right, on that note, I think I'll go youtube some nostalgic Saint and Greavsie.

Cuchulainn's Hounds

 

 

18 Sep 2011 23:12:45
-------------------reina----------------------
--kelly--carragher-agger-enrique---------
-------------gerrard-lucas----------------
---kuyt-------henderson-downing---
-----------------suarez--------------
bench:doni/johnson/coates/adam/spearing/carroll/bellamy

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:55:45
a question for the eds when we played today and lost what went wrong, where was the problem? The team today could not get on the ball too much and this spurs side got creamed by mancity the other week. You know a lot about football in a professional sense I am just a fan with some knowledge and I always want someone to explain to me what was the matter with the team? why can we not play like manutd(sorry to mention them) rarely lose.thankyou . I am very dissappointed and feel down a little but I support the lads 100%.
hibsylfc
{Ed001's Note - simple really, we are not quite at their level yet for starters. Secondly, I feel we went into the game expecting their players to be tired from the European game in mid-week. It seemed to me that we thought they would start slow and were caught out by their fast start which they scored from. Adam was trying too hard and got sent off and we just never got to grips with them at all. A lot of it seems to be a lack of playing time together, most of Spurs played together last season, we had a number of players who joined in the summer and are still getting to know each other. We are also playing a new system and tactical approach which takes time to bed in, hence the inconsistency. Finally a lot of credit has to be given to Spurs, they played very well and never allowed us to get into our stride.}

Thankyou ed001 for your response i was waiting for a sensible answer after all the silliness you read and fruitless analyses you get everywhere. You did say we are not at the level of manutd, when and how do we get to that level? I do appreciate your opinion it gives me an insight into the game from a different angle.thanks
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - it takes time to get to that level, time at the top winning trophies and building an attitude of invincibility. The more you win, the more you feel you will win. It took Fergie a long time to build the attitude at United, to stop them choking and give them belief that they will win every game. For now we just need to move up a step, to get ourselves a bit more belief within the playing squad. Today we saw just how fragile our confidence still is following the debacle that was Roy's tenure. The players are still learning to have faith in each other, it doesn't help that there are so many fans who have yet to have any faith in them either. What we need is to get a top 4 finish this season, and invest again in the summer in the right players for the right positions. But what we really need right now is a bit of good luck, a lucky break to win us the match and break that belief that everything is against us this season.}

Ed, if you've had a week to prepare for a game of this percieved importance against a potential rival, don't you think the team should have been ready for anything throne at them? What is our formation?

Sam armchair

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:44:14
Cheered myself up by buying my boy some LFC pyjamas. He put them on tonight and buried 3 passed me in the lounge.
I took pleasure in knowing that he will never be a Manc. (in my house)

Ultra red

Nice one Ultra Red. That cheered me up.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:42:40
Hi Ed,
Whats the ruling on domestic suspensions? Will Skrtle's and Adam's suspensions be against Brighton in the League Cup, or will they be available for that match and be suspended against Wolves in the next league match?
Thanks, elwebbo. {Ed001's Note - next competitive first team match, cups games counts.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 23:09:21
True we shouldn't be slagging KK already. However, this is a banter page, and if he doesn't change things in next few games, the questions are going to grow. I don't think that makes for a bad fan. We just expect more from the team, and today, management was the worst player. I think Kenny would agree.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:47:35
Lots of negativity from LFC tonight, which is understandable. I don't like to see it, so just to brighten you up, and to keep you positive and up-beat I offer the following positive comments/suggestion:

1) After 5 games you are still in the top half of the league....well done!

2) LFC probably won't be involved in a relegation battle with Arsenal. (I reserve the right to revise this positive viewpoint on behalf of LFC after 10 games)

3) You could pretend to be a MUFC supporter to improve your self esteem!

Sorry, that's it. That's the only positive comments/suggestions I can make to cheer you up. I hope this has been helpful.

Sir Alex x

4) Our manager could be a bigoted alcoholic.

5) We could be mortgaged to the hilt to pay Shrek's wage.

6) We could be so lacking of a life we have to post on other team's pages...

I could go on if you'd like.

Red Owl

You can gloat Alex but it doesnt make you a better person. Utds success is not because of anything you have done so why so smug?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:44:20
Whats King Kenny going to do about the atrocious performances this season?....Have a little word with the owners and bemoan refereeing decisions?

JWalk

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:20:50
I am glad that Ray Burmeister and other similar posts were made. I have just had an argument with an American Liverpool supporter with a La La, it will all be fine attitude.
It won't be fine.
The player mix is wrong. No creativity- Tottenham exposed this.
Just a load of Brit workaday players, trying to support one quality player.
I knew this result would happen, it was all too predictable.
Kenny, legend, though he is, is 15+ years past his sell-by date.
I didn't like Rafa's rotation system and a single striker.But he was light years ahead of what we have now. If Clarke is so good, why have clubs let him go?
Get real, they ain't good enough and the mix is wrong.

Good post tbh. Apart frm suarez, gerrard n reina, this team has no class or talent. Hard working players dont win u matches, classy players do. KK is living on past glories, if he thinks his 1980's formula is gonna work in todays world, he is in for a rude shock.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:36:29
Happy to be reading some posts from some real fans. I think a lot of the unsigned posts were United and Bitter fans in disguise.
TIZER RED

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:28:47
Congratulations to Spurs.. They came out firing and today they deserved a win.
Liverpool were sluggish and played poor.

I can't believe how many fans say Dalglish is not good enough. Dalglish knows more about football and managment than those idiotic ppl who slam him.
Everyone in football respects dalglish as a manager and all these EXPERTS all say he will do wonders yet the small amount of expert fans who have never played or managed professionally say different.

Well I say give him a chance.
Hodgson is NOT coming back so get over it

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:24:46
I must ask, why by Carroll when we could've bought Llorente?

maka

Because we panic buyd :(

Why are you asking the question now?? Carroll wasn't the problem today, the whole team just didn't get going and the better team won at the end of the day... I dont understand why Dalglish persists with Jamie Carragher, if he's not hoofing the ball he's being very dodgy at the back, his best days are well behind him, he doesn't exactly play the "Liverpool Way" does he?? Its time for Kenny to make the hard decision and drop him to the bench. Let Coates and Agger play at centre back, play Bellamy on the left and Downing on the right, Henderson and Carragher are not playing well at all, they're always negative, slowing the play up and playing it backwards or losing possession, take them out of the team for gods sake... Hope Stevie G is back on Wednesday, we need the players like him to grab the bull by the horns

Perhaps you should be the manager. But then again it is easier to criticise from the side line. We really do not know why KK bought average players. Perhaps the better players are not too keen on Liverpool and prefer trophies than our rich football history. It is easy to say we should have this player and condemn them when they decide to ply their trade elsewhere. KK did well for us in the past but 20 years is a long time for him to come back to turn our fortunes around. The pace and development of football has gone tremendous changes. We used to do very well with British players and players from the lower leagues. Can we continue this trend now like what i suspect KK is doing? But then again can we attract players like Aguero, Messi and the likes of them to play for us with the wage structure that we have here? I relished the moments when won our first European Cup when we beat Borussia right up to the night we won on penalties in Turkey. I was devastated when Michael Thomas scored at the last minute to deny us the league title 2 decades ago. I still support the club and hope that things will turn around but I'm not that optimistic with the players we have. We were not involved in Europe and yet we were outclassed by Spurs. I have been dreaming for 2 decades and hope to live long enough to see our club to get things right with the right players and the people behind the players.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:23:42
Gutted for the result today. The only thing I
can say is we'll be stronger not weaker from
that experience.

Ref was way too Anal also.

YNWA
RedAce

 

 

18 Sep 2011 22:00:39
rock bottom the only way is up ,any more games like today and i fear the worst for L F C .Hopefully just a bad day .

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:50:46
Are Henderson, Carroll and Downing in some sort hide and go seek competition?

Carroll was everywhere and worked his balls off - great performance by Andy despite the result

cozinoz

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:46:37
Said it before but will say it again the answer is simple, rafa returns to manage , with Clarke as number 2 remember him and pacco , and king kenny above the pair of them ! As the leader and media buffer ,

Dont be stupid

Can you NOT remember how negative we were under Rafa and the amount of s**te we bought?!
Gimme a break
5uarezTimes

With Adam,Henderson and Carroll kenny is well on his way to catching up with all the useless players Rafa brought in only hes spent alot more the only new players who have improved the team are Suarez,Downing and perhapse Enrique who is atleast an improvement on what we have had at lb

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:42:32
Am i the only one getting sick of suarez whinging and throwing his hands in the air everytime the ball isnt on his foot.I think he is a class act but it just wrecks my head. stan the red ynwa

Lol what u want him to do say well done for not passing right,,,,and well done for playing s**t lol

He is whining coz he has crap players around him.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:40:11
Okay we did not play well today. We were second to everything and it was poor. Amazed though that after today's performance there is some saying Kenny is 'past it' , appointed on sentiment. Is this the same who have applauded him and his backroom staff for the impact made, the pass and move football, the stability restored. Our pride was dented today and some people have short memories. This time last year our pride was a damn sight more than dented, we were nearly went into administration. Who came back in and got our ball rolling again, Kenny. Hurting today but will always support our incredible club. Roll on Wolves, safe in the knowledge that Kenny will not tolerate that again from the players

Do u think he'll make changes, excluding the red carded ones, and if so who will he bring in?

Might be wrong but think that Adam and Skrtel will only miss the Brighton game, as they were not straight reds. Just my opinion but reckon Gerrard will be back, Adam will make way. Dropping Carroll will not help him, he needs games to get up there. Flanno will take up the right back berth, Skrtel moving back in the middle.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:39:05
When we were playing well last season (whilst stevie was injured) our midfield with Lucas & spearing bossed games.

Spearing doesn't get the credit, he gives the team rhythm, keeps the ball moving & rarely gives it away. Him & Lucas were excellent last season.

Jimbob

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:35:16
Is King Kenny doing a good job right now? I am questioning his decisions to start Henderson ahead of Kuyt, not starting Bellamy, Martin Skrtel in right back and having Carroll be in the starting lineup, let alone the match day squad. If anything, this game was an eye opener. My delusional self thought that with the squad we have, we could challenge for the top 4, maybe the title. But now I have to lower my expectations to probably a top 6. Andy Carroll is a flop. Jordan Henderson is not up for it yet. Charlie Adam, I don't know. Raul Meireles should have been kept. I think we got the wrong players. Just being honest.

A Red from the American States

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:34:24
I think we need to sign a replacement for Carra/Skrtel. Both are slow and a liability at the back. I think we should sign a player like Fernando Amorebieta.

maka

Have you only just realised. Been stating that for an age 2 seasons.
kidmillions

At last someone with a sensible post!

Skrtel maybe yeah, but carra we have coates in to slowly take over...but we do need another cb in along with rw and striker

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:23:54
Carroll can head a ball but what else. He cant even control the ball he cant score goals, he can pass, he cant out pace a defender ,he cant hold up play he aint even that strong not good enough for my club. Spurs got Parker and adebayour and they better then anything we got in the summer.Even woy hogson wouldn't put skrtel at right back

He can head a ball if it hits him on the head but I've yet to see him Bullit a header in the net. The one against Citeh was a looping header.
kidmillions

Well said your right hes no dixie dean.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:22:20
The ref today reminded me of a Mr Bean type character; He produces a yellow card to cheers and rapturous applause of the Home supporters! I'd like even more cheers so he produced a Red Card to even bigger cheers " So then he produced another yellow card for more cheers and applause and another one to even more cheers and then he thinks perhaps I'll book one of the players in white? mmm not many cheers there. Think I'll get back to booking the team in Red; so he produced another Red Card to even louder!! Cheers and Rapturous Applause.
At the end he said to his linesmen " Can't wait to watch Match of the Day. and smiled.
kidmillions

Or maybe they were just bad challenges?

Just pointing out that the ref enjoyed being at the centre of attention.
Great refs are the ones you don't notice.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:18:50
I can't believe all the negativity after we got a bad result against Stoke, and a bad performance today.

Ok, so I do think even KK would admit that he made a mistake not swapping Carra and Skrtel, when everyone could see he was struggling badly.

As a manager, KK got it wrong today and Harry got it right- he can't just blame the players for this disaster, and lets give credit to Spurs for a great performance too.

Adam was naive and stupid in getting sent off just as we were starting to get back into the game a bit, and to me that stopped our momentum coming back and ended any chance we had of winning.

But Chelsea lost today, City drew, and Arsenal lost yesterday.
Please don't lets go crazy over two bad results.

KK made mistakes today, yes- but that doesn't make him a bad manager, and we need to have faith that he'll learn from his mistakes, as will the players.

Next season we'll have CL football and we will attract a couple more players of the standard of Agueros and the like, to put the finishing touches on our forward play- but this season its all about getting a top 4 finish, and I think we'll do that if we stay positive.

With Arsenal struggling and Spurs still behind us in the table, I think we have a great chance of a top 4 place, but we have to stop putting pressure on the likes of Henderson and Adam- KK will be doing that in private.

And despite the bad results and the panic, remember we are still only 3 points behind Chelsea and can easily catch them.

KK and the boys will learn from today, and move on- if we are still losing games in December as we were under Roy, then lets panic- but until then lets stop panicking, get behind the team and stay positive!

Skrtel struggled at RB, but Carra would have been just as bad. Flanno should have been given a chance, or heck, even put Kuyt back there. At least he could keep pace (give or take). Skrtel's only passes (that were successful) were to Carra or Reina. Any forward movement went nowhere.

It's not the losing! It's the manner in which we lost that hurts. The Chavs lost but much like us at Stoke played well to a point.
kidmillions

Fair point- Flanno would have been a way better option at RB- it shows KK is only human, but what manager hasn't made a mistake?
Rafa made apparently crazy decisions regularly.

I reckon that playing a slow CB like Skrtel or Carra out of position against a quick player like Bale was pretty much suicidal, but hopefully KK will take that on board and not repeat it.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:18:01
What has frustrated me more than anything is the reaction of some supporters (actually I dont think we can call you supporters) following the game today. I remember as a young kid going to watch Liverpool away at Villa and losing 5-1 and yet we were the best team around at that time. In recent years we all remember United losing 6-3 at Southampton. Results like this happen its how you react which is important. Slagging off own players is not supporting the club.

Well said mate

Good point! Was at that Villa game; we won the league that year.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:08:13
1 bad performance and Kenny should go and all the players should be sold. Hate fickle fans like some who come on here. Thought us LFC fans held our heads up high when we walked through a storm? Maybe some of you that is just a song? Well it isn't get a grip, go support United if you want instant success!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:04:57
I cant believe the negativity today ok a bad scoreline but its only one game. I think Carroll is being unfairly criticised he worked hard today when played out of position. He is all about service from the wings which didnt happen.

We will turn it around starting from wed. I just hope Aggers injury not too bad any ideas eds how long he is out for.

Mighty reds {Ed001's Note - not yet, they can't be sure immediately after a game, it takes a day or two to be sure mate.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:57:44
Jekyll and Hyde season so far.

Today's performance is the worst under Kenny. I would even regard it worse than our defeats by West Ham, Newcastle and Blackburn last season. I have to give credit to Modric's opener -was a fantastic finish from range. But within the first few minutes, Spurs really did well to rattle us with an aggressive pressing game and quick passing tactic.

Poor Right side:

Today's biggest errors were the wrong choice of personnel on the right hand side. Some of this could be attributed to injuries however, for such a high intensity game we should have gone with the experience either: Kuyt or Maxi on the right.
The biggest problem for us was that Bale absolutely skinned Skrtel because Spurs did their homework and went for our Achilles-heal. Hindsight is a beautiful thing and it would have been better to have had a specialist full back in either Flanagan or Robinson.

Most full backs would have been troubled by Bale but having a slow cumbersome player who lacks the positional ability immediately put us on the back foot and unnerved our defense. The other key area we lost out today was in the middle of the park.

Soft Centre:

It's evident that Jordan Henderson will make the grade as a useful player in the future. I still can't work out what special attributes or abilities he brings to the team.

I feel it is advisable to give the lad a rest. Our problem today was that neither Adam nor Lucas pressed effectively against the Spurs midfield. Within 10 minutes the battle was won for Spurs.
I have not seen Liverpool's midfield look so unimposing and dismantled since we played Blackburn and Newcastle last season under Hodgson's rigid zonal system. Adam was really out of his depth today and his timing of his tackles and passing was more reminiscent of a Sunday league kick about.

Andy Carroll – the Enigma??

I am still struggling to see how he fits into the style of our play. Today he showed some battling qualities but to be honest in the league games I have been extremely disappointed in him.

I am really worried that we have possibly bought a player who is a solid professional in a direct physical team however lacks the technique, mobility and passing ability to suit the pass and move style Clarke and Kenny are trying to adopt. We need to give him until the end of the season to give him a more realistic appraisal however.

Spurs played well.

Unfortunately today Spurs played very well and we have to give them credit where it's due.

The reality is that Spurs have exposed us so badly today and realization of last week is more apparent that we are a side that will have an almighty battle to finish 4th to 6th. Manchester United and Manchester City and CFC are technically and structurally miles ahead of us. Kenny and the lads will find it difficult to put up a sustained challenge to these teams.

Too many mediocre Players

No doubt Liverpool overall quality of squad has improved and we have shifted a number of deadwood players on. However we lack enough genuine world-class players and outstanding players in our squad. Despite Suarez and Gerrard we are missing around two more players that would make us a definite top 4 team.

Plus points

Perhaps the only players to leave the field with some credibility was Enrique and possibly Lucas who I felt played better toward the 2nd half of the game. Coates did okay for a debut under the circumstance.

Eldon Shepherds Bush Red

Very well said.

You say its evident henderson will come good ,pray tell where is the evidence they should be ashamed of themselves putting in a red jersey and it will be their downfall.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 21:30:26
Bellamy and Kuyt have GOT TO play.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:57:12
Outsmarted, outplayed, outclassed, out-everything.
4-0 the game ended, yeah, that's right, Spurs 4-0 Liverpool.
I'd be lying if I said I'm surprised by this outcome.

I and a few other likeminded folk had written prior to the match how particularly not so optimistic we were going into this game, to much slagging off on here.
We were told how "s**t" Spurs were, how we were going to "steamroller" our way to 3 points; "what a terribly pessimistic post", one poster remarked in response to my prediction.

Now, I'm not one to often do this, but I told you so.
Anyone with half an eyesight can tell you that Spurs are usually very good at home and create tons of chances. Their letdown's always been poor finishing. Now they have Adebayor, that'll likely change, and boy to our detriment change it did.
They played exactly how I expected them to and simply had NO answers.

An even damning indictment on Dalglish and team's that, in the corresponding fixture last year at the same venue we fared a lot impressively and should actually have comfortably won that game.

Now, if an LFC team, under the mediocre Roy Hodgson, containing a horrible Paul Konchesky, a disinterested and misfiring Torres, average Rodriguez, permeated by negativity and distress, can suffer an unfortunate, narrow 2-1 defeat at WHL after an impressive display, just how BAD must an LFC team, under the much-revered Kenny Dalglish, containing Enrique, Downing, Suarez, Carroll and Agger, been to be thumped- deservedly so- 4-0 by at the same WHL?

Red cards? Oh please! We were appallingly abject even before the shockingly unfit and well and truly abysmal Adam and Skrtel went off.
We may as well have started and finished with ten men.
Agger going off injured? Thought we were supposed to have strength in depth... like United, the "worst" United team many have seen in "years" and that's "there for the taking"?

A MUCH-NEEDED DOSE OF REALITY WAS ADMINISTERED TODAY.
A Prem title, let alone dominance, is VERY MUCH a PIPE DREAM.
Ferguson/United "worried" that Dalglish's "back"?
Ha ha ha!
Folly or wishful thinking... or both? Decide.

Looking at this crop, only Suarez and Gerrard can be classed as being exceptional talents on the ball.
Their ball retention, ability to eliminate an opponent and deliver an excellent final product, world class.

There others simply do not pass muster.
In Bale, Modric, Adebyor, Vaart, Parker, Spurs had players comfortable and confident on the ball, able to make intelligent and effective use of it.

Bar Suarez, who did we have? Henderson it's like the ball's a bomb. Doesn't look comfortable, confident and creative on the ball. Constantly passes backwards and sideways. Has no substantive impact on the game.

For a player touted as a possible replacement for Gerrard, he lacks the drive, power, pace and confidence on the ball that's come to define our skipper.
Has so far failed to show why exactly this team needs him.

I'm not gonna waste my time detailing the others, but fact is we've got the worst technically good side in the top six.
It's a matter that needed addressing last summer but wasn't adequately attended to.

It's exceedingly difficult to see this team winning games this season without Suarez or when he's not performing.
It's no coincidence that our best games/results have come with him playing and doing so well.

Everything good about this team goes through him.
And this is an indictment on KD.
It should've been recognized that another similarly talented player was needed, to (a) give us more options and (b) relieve the pressure of Suarez.

Most of Dalglish's recruits this summer are more or less tailored-made for and to succeed in, a collective setting. Very much a good thing.
However, this approach is naive to the fact that, it's not always the collective, the team way, that brings results.

Sometimes, perhaps even equally, it's the individual element.
There times when a team doesn't work and individuals have to step up; produce magic, that moment of brilliance through sheer genius.

Think Sanchez, Suarez, Silva, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Mata, Iniesta, Nani, Nasri.

Now in our recruitment this summer we failed to add one or two of these absolutely essential elements.
We instead chose to focus on accesories whose success depends largely or entirely on the efficiency of all the other accesories as a composite thing.
We didn't look to those who, if it's just not working as the collective, will go the individual route and make it happen single-handedly.

In short, our attack is largely tailored to function as a team. If that doesn't happen well or at all (like today), when we have to look to inspirational individual ingenuity, we severely limited, with Suarez and Gerrard the genuine sources.

Contrast that with, say, City. Mancini's bunch has the capacity to play and win collectively and, if needs be, call upon the individual brilliance of his charges, a la United-Ronaldo... a
luxury we don't enjoy.

Baie dankie

Ray Burmeister

I saw it as a bad day at the office, KD got it wrong in so many ways and so did the players. We just need to suck it up and move on

You are right sad that the management didnt see it so much for blind faith.we got what we asked for (SAD)

Mancini's city threw awat a 2 goal lead again today! were was was "that individual brillance" you speak about?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:53:18
rafa had his limitations..........
mainly the owners of our great club at the time

just think were we could be if rafa and fsg were together now.........

best tactical manager in europe.....

More boring football, same massive squad of overrated players and still no league title. Sounds about right.

Fensh

Yeah im sure inter milan think the same as you

Rafa was the best manager we've had since Bob, he should be knighted, he bought big ears home and had to put up with H&G and Parry for that matter, in rafa i still trust

Always in the top 4, organised, hard to beat, FA and European cups, number1 ranked team in Europe, close to winning the EPL on 83 points ( I think)...
Yeah Raffa was a poor mention

R we talking about a manager that took us to 2 CL finals here..that was fecked over..i always thought this when they where in charge..and its this..At least Dick Turpin wore a mask

atlfc70

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:49:30
I Dont see why everyone is slagging the defence off, I thought they did quite well to hold out for as long as they did. Carragher, Coates and enrique were quite resilient against the endless waves of spurs attacks. Skrtel was admittedly poor but he couldnt help that Bale was so much faster than him.
Also Lucas played reasonably well shielding the defence. the problems arose when we won the ball back. Everytime we hoofed it away (I cant remember us keeping it for more than 10 seconds) straight back to spurs. Henderson and adam sitting in midfield and suarez and carroll stood stationary up front with no link between them. We need a creative central midfielder desperately to feed the forwards or we can expect similar results in the future.
P.S. Carroll is dire. WillLFC

Agree, midfield was being owned, Martin is not aright back, so much for bring youth through, we're playing player out of position. Still can't believe Kyut didn't start, what has Henderson done to displace him

Henderson was the problem in the midfield, he was a ghost....i didn't seeing on the ball for most part of the game when we were playing 11. charlie too was.....i shake my head.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:49:20
for the wolves game i would like to see henderson playing adams position in cm where he plays his best to see if he plays better.gerrard on right and i want carroll to play 90minutes everygame so he can get use to things.get crosses in not just to his feet.DORSET RED

Suarez
Downing Gerrard Kuyt
Adam (Hendo) Lucas
Enrique Agger (Coates) Carra Kelly
Reina

Season over bud, don't worry about it, Kenny will walk, Christmas will be the same old

When will people realise that Carrol is s**te

Angry Red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:49:06
i have to say that today was one of the most frustrating games to watch, We didnt turn up fullstop and im not going to make any excuses for how badly we played, We showed nothing!.. i think Enrique is probably the only red player that can hold his head up today!
But the most frustrating part for me was the referee.. Yet again a referee has turned a premiership match in to the (insert refs name here) game.
It is disgraceful that any referee in the premiership should be taking charge of a game with so little knowlegde of how to let a game flow, the constant blowing up for any foul and then without any talking to or warnings just booking players totally ruined the game but whats worse is the absolute blatent one sidedness of his refereeing.. Every single decision today went the way of Spurs and again, i take nothing from them, they played a great game of football. But when its 12 against 9 you'd expect nothing less.
Is it me, or is it just a coincedence this refereeing display comes the first match after Kenny complains about refereeing in our games?..
The way in which the ref flourished his card at Suarez in a most dramatic and artistic fashion said it all for me!.. Shocking all round!
Lets bring on Brighton and make it better with a classy display and a few goals to bring back the confidence.. on a brighter note, torres missing an open goal just as everyone announced he was back!..fabulous!
ItsNotRocketScience

Refs have far too much power and protection. They should HAVE TO face the cameras and journo's and answer questions about thier decisions. They're a shame on the game these days.

You can barely make the slightest contact with a player without a free being called.

And don't get me started on bias...because of refs supporting a PL club.

The teams that refs support should be made public, and they shouldn't be allowed to ref in the top flight!!

Cardiff, West Ham, Bradford, Wrexham (lol) etc etc...supporting refs would be fine. If you all get me. Online petition for fairer refereeing anyone? < Half joking

Chipkin9 (Eire)

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:46:10
When did it all go wrong!
Well it went from bad to worse last season when kenny was put in charge...hes yesterday great in his day but was our history..Now by winning a few matches at the end of the season everyone wanted him even though closer inspection at some of those results may have been the wiser thing.but the owners had no chice but to make him perm the fans only have themselves to blame for nearly 100m spent on over priced british players and the team has not moved on 6th is the best this team will do. Hate tound so negative but we are just way off the mark we will be lucky to compete with the likes of stoke everton and villa never mind the manchester clubs..but we have ourselves to blame...never let sentiment get in theway of making a strong choice kenny was never right

U r a person mate please tell me who you would have instead.DORSET RED

I'm glad you can make such confident predictions after 5 games. Well done.

Agree but who would you have replace him?

Ok bud who would you like as a manager?
Who do you think would like the job and be a success?
I'm interested in your knowledge and reasoning.
You must have an idea

I have no Idea who would be liverpools new manager now or 3years from now,I thought that was put to bed when you all ELECTED him hope he takes us to the promssed land

Kenny is not the issue. The players werent ready for what happened and to be honest the players are not good enough. We have bought a good team but not a brilliant first 11

The man is RAFAEL BENITEZ.
remember the players he wanted he never got: villa, dani alves, aguero....
He shud take over in the near future n i hope the owners back him.
Indian Buzzer

Kenny bought half of the effers so he is a large part of the problem

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:38:13
Hi eds guys/gals ,the question we have to ask is ourselves is what happened to the football served up to us the latter part of last season,after spending like never before this lot dont even seem to be able to pass the ball to a red shirt, fingers crossed we have not lumbered ourselves with new supply of deadwood and the includes the management because quite frankly I have no idea who we would turn too for help and my nerves cant stand another season like last.as always Ill pray too those giants in the sky BILL & BOB.(godin 66yrs red)

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:35:43
i would like to make this point.we have been missing are best player for 6months and hes still not back.thats the same as:
utd-rooney
chelsea-terry
arsenal-van persie
spurs-modric
city-silva

how would all those teams fair without those key players for 6months.im fuming with todays result i havent watched the game but my thought at work was what the hell is skrtel doing at rb against bale.why is henderson playing should of been kuyt because he tracks back and would offer support.also bellamy instead of carroll beacuse king had carroll in his pocket last season.but hey we lost roll on wolves and a much improved result i expect.kennys gotta change things lets not go down the wenger route and blame refs.DORSET RED

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:34:05
Adebayour is TWICE the player Carroll is WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY

Carroll is going to make aquillani look like like a good bit of buisness

Adebayour also triple the wages of carroll but nice try

What would you prefer a cheap waged player that is s**te or an expensive striker that scores 20 or more goals a season. all this gobs**te regarding wages just shows that we have gone out and bought. Average players.
disallusioned red

He is not twice the size of Carroll though, that would be impossible.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:22:48
For my legions of fans, just to let you know I've had a very enjoyable day today.

I don't know whether to vote for "King" Kenny or Arsene Wenger for manager of the month. Both have given me great pleasure so far.
Roberto Mancini might just edge it with his comment that City lost a 2 goal league against Fulham today because he hasn't got enough players...100's of millions of pounds spent, but that comment is priceless.

I offer the following because supporters are usually the worst people to assess their own team....
Henderson, Enrique, Carroll, Adam and Dowling are not worthy of wearing the Liverpool shirt. Adam isn't even worthy of selling your shirt on a market stall.

Sir Alex x

It's Downing
Whisky started working already
Hic'
Pride comes before a fall
The whole of the premier league is waiting
Shouldn't be too long now
Stick to no more than two bottles a day
Hic

Silly me, I thought it was Brian Dowling, the geezer off Big Brother, running down your wing...easy mistake to make, they are so alike in terms of football ability.

Sir Alex x

Have to agree with the t**t Sir Alex x here, except in the cases of Enrique and Downing who, up until now, have been excellent. Adam was decent up until now and Carroll is so bad words can't describe it. Better make some miracles Kenny...

maka

Alex i guess u are a very lonley single guy living on ur own with no friends in a tiny room in london

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:22:21
There was never a yellow card in the whole game for either team. The game was over after 20 minutes.

Now.. When you are travelling hundreds of miles every week at great expense in these hard times you expect to be entertained and watch your sport and your team in a fair competitive game. Sadly this will never happen when fifa, uefa and the fa have control. They are all proved to have left trails of corruption without any comebacks.. It was our turn again this week but next week it will be Tottenhams or a Wigans turn etc etc..

The clubs and the fans are far more powerful than suits who run the game and referees who would be trainspotting if their was no such sport as football..

As for this player or that player didn't perform or a manager or assistant manager don't know their job. No one has a chance under these circumstances so judge over a season or 2..

Alfie

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:19:33
what i wouldnt give for a hard type ,commanding centre half , skrtle is a complete pussy and "sicknote" agger tripped over a blade of grass and hurt his side, wise up and grow a set you 2 or feck off in january

Someone like Phil Jones?

Sydney ;)

Sydney is right. if we had phil jones he wud be the best centre half in the team.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:10:53
Anyone that says they wouldn't swap Carroll for Torres plus £15m is lying.

Mount batten red

I will drive Carroll to London

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:04:53
With reference to a recent post asking was Henderson playing today. I want to know was anyone playing today? There were some very very poor players in the Liverpool team today and lets face it lots of them were Kennys signings. I hope he does not do to us what he did to Newcastle during his last spell as a manager, he ruined the geordies and he is ruining us!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:04:22
Benitez was heavily criticized for wasting money on poor players.Unfortunatley I

The truth is most of the poor players were free signings. Rafa never had the financial backing kk has. I wud have him over mourinho, kk, avb whatever u can think of. If he had the backing of say nesv, he cud have won us the epl.
Indian Buzzer

Also he gave poor players astronomical wages

Bring back Rafa the mad egomaniac?

Who prefers a verbal fight to football?

Are you mad sir?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:00:56
Our team just does not look well balanced at all. We STILL need another winger above all things. However good he "may" one day become, Andy Carroll simply does not suit our system and never will. Adam is too slow against top sides and I'm not sure what Henderson's role is but he certainly isn't a winger. Our midfield generally lacks guille, movement and mobility. I really do feel sorry for Andy Carroll though. I don't think its his fault. He was simply bought for a system which doesn't suit him. If you want to play a quick game with the ball on the ground, you need technically superior players and the British spine we have bought do not seem to have the technique or speed of thought to pull it off against the better sides. Also, has anyone else noticed Luis Suarez looking increasingly annoyed up front recently?

Ash

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:00:32
why was skrtel at right back he's rubbish just like henderson and carra. Lucas should never play for liverpool again any other manager would be sacked for wasting 35 million on carroll and 20 million on henderson thats a joke Steve bruce was laughing at us. 4-0 it could have been more no heart,rubbish tackles and KK needs to sort it out.If we keep getting battered he will get his p45. Its a results business

Lucas should never play for Liverpool again? You should never be allowed to type without engaging your brain first again!

Ash

 

 

18 Sep 2011 20:00:27
Jamie you have been a great servant to LFC but please do a Gary Neville and pack in now, you are far too slow and are a liability to the team. And KK get rid of carroll and hendo, they are just not good enough.

I think you are being a little hasty. Give Carroll & Henderson a season before you judge them. Plus there is no way you would recoup even £25m of that £50m+ if you sold them in January.

Sydney!

Least a Manc fan has some common sense. Carroll actually worked his ass off after the 2 red cards - yes he still falls over way too easily upfront, but he at least didnt give up. Kudo's to him.

Fensh

I think Hendo is a good signing, he's just raw talent at the moment and we have to mould him into a great player, which with time he will become.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:59:46
We love yer Liverpool we do

Oh Liverpool we love you

Spriggo

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:57:04
Kenny got it so wrong today but I was disappointed with Carra's captaincy. He could see Skrtl was struggling against Bale and should have shown some leadership by swapping positions. Skrtl and Agger would have dealt with the Spurs front two and Carra's positioning would have dealt with Bale much better. Flexibility is a key attribute of a leader and Carra didn't show it today. Oh and the ref was ship.

Agree. Carra would of got a red card instead of Skyrtle.

We had to have one of Bale's 3 good games a season.... Skrtel could do nothing today (although the second yellow was brainless). Should of at least actually caught Bale and put some stud marks to say thank you for the schooling he got.

Fensh

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:55:42
Do you realise that with the 20m we paid for Henderson we could have bought NZogbia and Parker and still had some change - bad bad bad buy Kenny.

If we bought Nzogbia nad Parker you would alls till moan so its a pointless argument

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:54:23
Carroll - hopeless
Henderson - disgraceful
Adam - no good at all

Not Hendersons fault. He shouldn't be in the team ahead of Kuyt who has never let us down. Would be better if he had to fight a bit harder for his place. Instead of just walking into the team.
Don't dislike Henderson by the way, I just think he plays safety first football (stopping the flow, passing back instead of forward) which could be down to nerves and needing more time to settle in.
kidmillions

Henderson shouldnt be playing on the right in anycase. Why did we only buy 1 winger again?

I disagree with you henderson should be playing right ,right outside of anfield like grimsby town maybe,im sure lots of fans will drive him if he pays the gas.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:51:48
I feel sorry for the fans who went to the game,the players should give them a refund from their own pocket

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:47:58
-sigh-
Liverpool had one hell of a shocking day if I'm honest. The past 2 weeks I believe we've shown no conviction in front of goal, and our defence just lacks fortitude at the minute.
However, it's still early days, and you know what they say, you learn more from a loss, than you do from a win!
This game could really wake our players up, they've had enough time to 'settle in' and now it's time to cement our place in the top 4.
YNWA

Hooch.

The left side of defence has been outstanding all season and were even good today untill Agger got injured.
Our defensive and midfield problems are all on the right side with Kelly and Johnson and Gerrard being out. Were left with Carra,Skyrtle and Dickie on the right side?
3 players on the right not comfortable in possession, (constantly passing back and losing good possession)
Which never looks good to me; even before a ball is kicked. can't afford them sort of weaknesses.
So much so that today it affected the left sided players like Enrique,Agger,Adam and Downing who where all frustrated with chasing possession all the time.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:45:33
Was Henderson playing today? He brings absolutely nothing to the team. Was told when we signed him from a mackem fan that he cant pass forward, cant tackle, cant beat a man ....... he was right and at a price of 20 million quid!!!

Was henderson playing today very easy to pick out one player fact is we got beaten by a better team on the day .doesent mean the season is over

red jonno

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:39:33
That is as bad a performance I have seen from Liverpool for a very long time. Sloppy passing, very little fight, getting outrun on both flanks, the team didn't play together and judging by that performance, they are going to need to do a lot of work to claim that 4th spot. We desperately need Gerrard back at full fitness. Adam & Henderson were both disappointing again - they were bought to maintain possession, not give the ball away with the alarming frequency they both did. Skrtel was given an impossible task, as was Coates, don't judge him on that. I've mentioned this before, but we do lack pace in key areas and Spurs showed that again today. Kenny will not be a happy man tonight.
Sir Masher

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:37:52
Ok, I vented my spleen about the team, but need to find a positive light to shine to...

We have played five matches, three away two of which were against top 8 teams and quite possible 3 top of the 8 come May. Am I disappointed with three points? Actually, I shouldn't be, transition needs time granted. We all would have preferred 6 or 7 points - but should be realistic, we should have got the point at Stoke; Spurs we might as well have had blindfolds on because there was no sight at all of 'team'. Time to regroup and invigorate some spirit otherwise it's going to get harder and harder, hunker down lads use this as a very effective lesson, YNWA.

Suffolk'n Red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:31:15
Thats some reaction on here to one bad game. Just surprised that no-one has asked for KK to be sacked. Thats how absurd it is. Nobody had a good game. Thought Adam was unlucky to get his second yellow card. Skrtel should have known better being a professional footballer that he was one tackle away from being sent off. But it is only one game and there is plenty more coming up. The only thing I will say is that (and I do think he will come good and is a good player) is that we do play better when Carroll is not playing.

Gazza

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:28:29
while disappointed with todays result and to a degree performance lets look at the performance of the match official. Three incidents stand out today, apart from the obvious....Modric handles the ball which the ref points out, but no booking, Kabul pulls down Luis, no booking, finally Naughton dives for a free kick, again no booking! (there was also an off the ball kick against a LFC player just before AB scored the 4th which was completely overlooked by the ref (again). Now this is not sour grapes, but having played the game it looked to me that LFC players were "scared" to tackle for fear of being booked by a card happy official who, clearly to me wanted to show that KK's "outburst" last week would have no influence on him! As I said this is not sour grapes, we didn't perform, but inconsistant referring by poor officials don't help...........

I agree with you mate, those ref don't like us.

Camara replays to overule the f*****g crap deciscions by the ref, they use it in the N.F.L (american football) no one can argue with the camara and seeing as the VAST majority of decisions go against us we would benefit from this kingkennykop7

Just one more point to add, I now think it's time for the refs to face the tv along with the managers and explain their decisions, £70k a year, plus ex's, they need to be face up to what they see and what actually happens! {Ed003's Note - Not sure your right with the amount that they earn,but your post should start a good debate}

Naughton? Who does he play for? On loan at Norwich thats where. Did you actually watch this match?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:25:41
Hi Ed's and Reds

I just want to say..I feckin love Liverpool..my club means everything to me and has done for the past 34 years..but i will never be called a non supporter because i dare speak my mind against KK..In my book he is JUST another manager of our great club..I am well aware of his history and what he has done for us..but lets be honest..he has done very little of note since Blackburn..and since then the game has moved on dramatically..very few foreign players(all mainly British)and no big money CL to try and get into..If KK had applied for another big clubs managerial position does anyone really on here think he would have got the job..ask yourselves this...because the answer is no..he got the job because we wanted him in..to lift and change the spirit and attitude at our club..and a job he done very well..but this is now..hes been given money too take us onward and upward..and to be honest i think it might be beyond him..i just fear the game has changed more than he thinks it has.

atlfc70

Can only presume you've spent 34 years moaning about each manager in turn. Yes, we were garbage today but that's utterly over the top. Some of the posts today make me ashamed of my fellow reds.
ND

ND and u never have at some point...and im not moaning just stating a few facts

atlfc70

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:23:40
Im split at the mo. Im not a whinger, and at the start of the season i thought, top 4 hopefully, and some good football thrown in the mix.After 3 games I thought, sunderland match, a game too early, the arsenal match, a job well done, european style performance, and bolton home, a good, attractive game. Stoke was just one of those games, whereas today i thought we were fu**ing awful! from the first minute we just seemed off the pace, kept losing our positions, nobody was taking charge, and we didnt put three forward passes together. tottenham played pretty football, but we were as poor as arsenal were against utd, and im glad that spurs actually seemed to want to play pretty passing football in the last 20 mins than really go for it like utd, or chelsea would have. we could have had a hammering even worse than what we had. no heart, or passion today. I think enrique was our best player, bellamy was tidy after coming on, and for all carrolls poor touches, he worked hard. We are all managers on here, thats the good and bad thing, we all have our opinion. I personally, even though ive slagged his touch off for years think that kuyts been dropped to quickly for henderson, who will come good no doubt, as will the rest of the team, i just hope we have learned the hard way from this mauling today because it doesnt get easier
DAR

But will they come good, i cant see it. Millions wasted on crap players

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:15:13
Alright enough is enough, shocking result very disappointed
But we just need to lick our wounds and get over it. I'd imagine there will be a few home truths shared in training tomorrow morning. We all know and saw who had bad games, I felt sorry for Lucas he never stopped running to cover the pitch until the last kick. He has developed into a top class player.

Just bear in mind the rubbish he put up with while developing, imagine how much easier it would of been.lay of the new signings and give them Chance to prove worth.

Still no excuse for not turning up today, but not every bad result is the end of the world. 12 minus ago we taught it was snap out of it if ur a real fan

Aldred

Agree about Lucas mate, He's been consistently trying his best, getting better, always pushing, trying. Still, all he gets is the abuse of fans who know as much about football as my dining table

Bob L

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:14:37
WTF.. We are 3points behind Chelsea who are 3rd and 1point ahead of Spurs whose game in hand is Everton..
Flipping ell! And your all saying that's it for us.. Who needs negative armchair supporters.
Get behind you club as there's 33 games left ffs

Couldn't agree more mate. People saying we're not gonna get top 4 when we're ahead of Arsenal and Spurs with, as you say, 33 games to play.

Kieran.

Grow up lad
Two losses out of five 1 home bore draw
And a decent win
What's to like
Were miles behind the mancs spuds will beat bluenoses we might draw
Look at what was in front if you
They were spineless awful and naive
Five games or not
Why is it a of a sudden gonna all get better?
We can't play away from home. Yes we beat an awful Arsenal but so would most teams
Rubbish rubbish rubbish

What a stupid post, obviously not a LFC fan.

You say we have no chance gaining a top 4 yet on the same breath you say anyone can beat Arsenal..
Ok consider your correct, then I assume you believe Man U, Man C, Chelsea and Spurs are your top 4 with Arsnal to be relegated or at least bottom half of the table and Liverpool mid table..
And you say grow up!
Your plainly laughable sir!
Man Utd are playing to their top level but they will hit a bad patch as history tells us they always do.
Man City will be up and down this season. Let's see how they get on at Christmas period.I think they'll finish 3rd at best.
Chelsea, uncertainty in the dressing room, ageing players, new manager.. They are only 3points ahead of us.
Spurs, will be up and down and arnt the greatest of travellers.
So yes, I believe a top 4 spot is achievable.
Gerrard in mid alongside Adam, feeding suarez and downing's pace.. I believe it's not all doom and gloom just yet

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:11:32

This view takes a lot of flak from the "too soon to say" brigade. Interestingly, they are the ones who are convinced it will work out. Two wins from five (one against an utterly dejected Arsenal), don't tell that story.

Now while it might be too soon to predict the long term impact of our domestically bought goods, we should note how it isn't too soon to judge Suarez. Suarez hasn't needed time. He has missed 7 games before he joined us, he didn't need six months to gain fitness. He didn't cost us twice is value - in fact, he cost us half. He's been on fire.

Nobody is cautious about talking about Suarez like he's king. Why? Because it's rare that you spend 35 million on a player and have to wait over a year to reap the benefits. It's rare that a player you sign for that kind of money doesn't have the impact you envision.

So yes, Suarez is foreign and he's been successful so far. But it's not about nationality, it's about quality. After that, it's about value for money.

We've signed Adam and Henderson for a combined 22mil, or thereabouts. How much did Scott Parker cost? Because today, I'd have traded them both for him. Yes, he's English too. But the crux of the issue is that he is better than what we've signed, just a better player.

Adebayor, another Premier League stalwart bullied our defense today.. Bellamy didn't bully Spurs. Nor did the 35 million Andy Carroll. And let's not pretend Adebayor is the only striker in the league carrying more threat than AC at a better price. Darren Bent for one. What if we had looked further afield that deadline day.. What might we have done? Falcao? Mario Gomez? Lucas Barrios? Moussa Sow? Llorente?

Yeah it's too soon to say but let's call it as we see it right now - right now, if the world ended tomorrow, we'd have signed the wrong players.

nuff said!
got this from lfctv online forum

The whole point of a league is not to call it after five games see what happens then judge and criticise

Kiss the badge

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:01:39
cant believe some of the posts today early signs are really good this season. I dont believe in slating the team or manager. I just believe in supporting them as thats our job. Thanks god though we have got a game on wed and get today out the way and move on.

As i said early refs are really treating us bad. Maybe we need to make more of a stand against them as a club. Kenny is definitely the man we need and i am sure with a little bit more support from us we can get there. The effort was superb today.

Its so easy to slag them off so people take the easy option. Get behind the team and club.

mighty reds

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:10:42
I think we all got carried away to an extent! Especially about us not missing Steven Gerrard as much.
The last 2 games have highlighted not just we miss Gerrard the Player but we desperately miss Gerrard the Captain.
kidmillions

I think we tried to start the way we did against arsenal; slow, trying to slow the home team down, quieten the crowd, slowly get a grip of the game before the opposition realises we r in control. But unlike arsenal, spurs started quick, they wanted to make a statement; they were ready for the fight for the champions league spot. That coupled with strange tactics led to our downfall. Skrtel shouldn't have started at RB, evryone knows that, not against Bale anyway; even if he did, shouldn't Flanagan, a specialist RB been on the bench? Also, the logic of starting with Carroll in away games need to be looked into. Kuyt's industry would have been better suited.

Bob L

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:08:38
todays performance=x4 letters=s * i *

 

 

18 Sep 2011 19:06:38
anyone who's watched the last few games we have played can see suarez is frustrated with the poor performances of henderson and charlie adam, time after time they fail to make a simple pass or spot a run. henderson keeps disappearing in every game and charlie adam is too slow on the ball, both players should be dropped and charlie adam sent off is a blessing in disguise because kenny wasnt dropping him even though he has been poor, why dont we play suso there atleast he will have some pace and can pick a pass with acuracy. henderson is simply a complete waste of money, im sorry to say andy carroll was a waste of money too, he might score in the end but whenever he is in the starting line up we have a poor game, charlie adam cant control the midfield and therefor gerrard has to replace him until someone is bought in to do so (mousa sissoko). just another point i think kenny needs an assistant manager and also i feel kevin keen was a bad appointment, we needed top quality coaches and he is not proven at the top. we all knew we need a right winger, we bought henderson instead, atleast give sterling a chance who im sure can do a much better job down that wing. RedTurk

At last someone who hits ever nall on the head congratulations(godin 66yrs red)

Suso and co would offer a lot more than some on show at the moment

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:56:56
The negatives are obvious. Lets focus on next game.

We flourished last season with adding in young, hungry youth players. Against Wolves, we should ofcourse start M. Kelly at RB (irrespective of G. Johnson's availability).

Reina

Kelly Carragher Coates Enrique

Lucas

Bellamy Gerrard Downing

Suarez Carroll

I would prefer Carra on bench (or as assistant coach) but with Agger out, and Skrtel impotent, he is best option.

In January the owners will have to buy a new CB, hopefully Cahill.

Adam, Henderson, Kuyt, Maxi on bench gives plenty of back up. Unfortunately none are starters for me.

Carroll needs to play as much as possible. Alot of people here giving him stick, but when he starts firing he will become a force. He got absolutely no service today. If Stevie can sure up the midfield, the strikers and wingers can flourish.

Not too late to save the season. Title is not the goal. We need CL and a trophy (FA or Carling Cup).

Coop

Assistant Coach! How about we see if he has an aptitude for the job first.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:55:00
Our next 3 league games..
Wolves, Everton, Man U. If we can get 7points from them 3 then I'm sure the doubters will be optimistic.
Remember Gerrard is back for them games and if he can be as good as we know, then 7points is very much possible.
I know we arnt a one man team but Gerrard is world class and will be very much hungry.
Henderson and Adam will learn alot from him and Suarez will be fed well

We do need a Captain and Gerrard is the best.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:40:08
I am as disappointed as the next Liverpool fan but some of the comments on here are ridiculous we are 5 games in ! Lets give the new players a chance or we will be back to square one like last year. We didnt play well today full stop and the referee didnt help as he was quick to pull out a yellow card for every challenge we made, its over lets move onto the next game and get behind the team. Regarding Torres have you all forgotten about what he did for us? He has moved on and so should you all !

Totally agree. It's uncomfortable but I think The King will have learned a few things about the squad.
We need a settled back 4 with a fit RB to stand any chance against pacy wingers.
Adam or Hendo/Lucas/Gerrard as a 3 man midfield looks better to me, not sure a 442 can work with us currently.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:39:03
Coates was garbage, we should have got phil jones. Why didn't we offer more!

There is some idiots on this website!

Coates is a very good player. Judge him after the season ends. He's just getting his coat off

We did we offerd more than utd but he wanted to play for them get over it we'll bounce back!
Skurks

1st game and you call him rubbish what a t*rt you are.sorry about my language eds but can't be doing with so called fans slating players in there 1st season at the club

King luis

You joking? Can you imagine playing your first game in PL in that situation? I thought he did well. He picked up a yellow and was intelligent enough not to get red (unlike the other two). He is aggressive and looks hungry. He will only get better. Jones is good, but everyone looks good when you are on a team that doesn't have to defend!

Give the boy a chance we where awful noonee looked good.to be thrown into what was hopefully our worst of the season must be difficult

Kiss the badge
YNWA

You sir are garbage, you have no loyalty ,if you are married you would cheat on your wife if she makes the wrong dinner, you have never been to a football match, you know nothing about the game, you and the likes of you are disgrace to anty football club as a supporter, I bet you spent many afternoons crying in the play fields because no one will give you a 5 minutes time play, go get drunk.

Shut up, what do you know about football, Coates his first game, we where loseing + mens down. He needs few games to bed in.

Coates will do fine even messi would have looked bad playing alongside that bunch today.

Was is Smarties or Lolipops you bought with your pocket money this week?
Suffolkn'red Red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:45:10
Thought Coates was our best player.
Gets his chance in a 10 man team which is then reduced to 9 men! The lad never put a foot wrong in dire circumstances to make your debut. If Agger shakes off his injury the time is right for Kelly, Coates, Agger, Enrique across the back. All players who can move the ball forward in the correct manner. We wouldn't get in half as much trouble if we stopped giving the ball away from the back. Ask Barcelona there's only Puyol you could call an out and out defender the rest are good footballers. Same with the Mancs there's only Vidic an out and out defender the rest are good footballers. Notice how both of the above don't miss Puyol or Vidic as much as you would think and actually play better football and maintain better possession with out them. Do you seriously think we would miss Carra?
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:45:08
i am going to state my points and i dont care about the reactions it will generate:

1. liverpool started the match with 10 men and a ghost of a player in Henderson. i dont know what he brings to team( i wish someone could help me on this). jonjo and spearing are way better than him. fans were saying meireles cant tackle but i dont see hendenson winning any.

2. harry redknapp used reverse psychology for kk, he was praising carroll before the game knowing fully well that we dont play with him in the side.

3. the bench reaction to the first red card was poor; we should have removed carroll for bellamy(because of his pace) immediately and later introduced kuyt for hendo( because of kuyt's work ethics), it would have given us the oppurtunity to sit deep a bit and break on the counter using bellamy and downing as outlets( but what do i know and who am i to question kk tactics)
we were tactically naive.

conclusion: the novelty has worn off, welcome to reality.

Nigerian fan(tooblack)

Agree with you henderson is useless all sensible fan realise that only those who have their head in the sand dont.

Agree with ur 3rd point completely mate, the reaction was poor, but the bench confused me. When u have an accident-waiting to happen (Skrtel) at Right-Back, shouldnt there have been a specialist RB on the bench, ie, Flanagan?

Bob L

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:39:38
hello ed arvind here do you think after 2day defeat liverpool is already out of the title race well i think yes he is as its difficult to reach the scum now..... {Ed009's Note - I didn't ever think we would win the league this season. Arsenal lost to Blackburn. A top four place remains firmly a possibility, provided Kenny sorts out the issues at the minute, which I have no doubt he will.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:38:22
Wanted,players at LFC,The only criteria is that you MUST be able to MOVE,RUN,PASS AND CONTROL A FOOTBALL,TACKLE,and ALWAYS play for the shirt,UNLIKE the shower that turned out today in what can ONLY be described as an INEPT PERFORMANCE.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:36:53
Skrtel is s**t keep him as sub, Carragher past it keep him as sub, Henderson is s**t keep him as sub, Carroll is s**t keep him as sub, Adam ok keep him as sub.

Kenny use this team from now on: Renia - Johnson - Agger - Kelly - Enrique - Downing - Lucas - Gerrard - Bellamy - Kuyt - Suarez. Sub: Doni - Carragher - Coates - Skrtel - Adam - Henderson - Maxi - Carroll

Not sure who Renia is, but he must be better than Reina in goal.

Sydney ;) {Ed009's Note - People in young-Spanish-keeper-shaped glass houses shouldn't throw stones Syd.}

Well I guess De Gea has nine years to surpass Reina's accomplishments, should only take a couple.

Sydney ;) {Ed009's Note - You think De Gea will be better than Reina? That's ridiculous.}

He is not far off Reina now at the age of 20. 99% of Spain believe De Gea is the future. They must be ridiculous? How good was a 20 year old Reina by the way? Was he on par with De Gea?

Sydney ;)

Sydney you come out with some absolute s**te.
Reina although making a bad mistake today has been one of the beat keepers in the league since he came.
Most people would agree to this, unless your a silly t**t like yourself.
How you can speak about de gea like that is beyond me.
The goals he has let in have been an absolute joke.
You say he's the future for Spain , yeah he is but only because casilles, and reina are getting to the end of there careers.

LAVERS

Hey sydney, u wanna criticize our players, go ahead. but stay clear of reina, gerrard, kelly, suarez, agger n downing. They r better than wat u have. The rest of our squad, well they deserve critisism, even if its from the scum
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:36:33
So, how much has this week cost LFC(ie,US)? From the starting 11,and subs.Plus, coaching staff, this week's - wage bill must be £1m - MINIMUM! And, what do WE get? Players who just can't be arsed...
Jack Hughes

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:32:47
I am embaressed to be a liverpool fan, not because of today BUT...because of the comments of lots of the fans, slating the new signings and some now even slating KK and RIENA WTF bunch of c**ts they started slow but if Adam didnt get sent off for basically 2 nothing tackles we could easilly have came back into it, also slating kk decision to put skrtel at RB is stupid, who else was he goin to play there?!?!?!

LADWIG

Hmm, how about anybody else on team? I would have been inventive and put Kuyt at RB. Atleast you know he would have run his socks off after Bale instead of gifting him the ball then sh&*tting himself.

Hello we were useless AGAIN USELESS

Flanagan or Robinson

Flanagan would of been better being a natural "right back"

LADWIG im no c**t mate so go feck urself and feckin wake up..my da could have done better at RB than Skrtel today..Spuds jumped on it from the off

atlfc70

For the love of god how do 2 people disagree..did u 2 muppets watch the first 15mins of the game..makes me laugh..so the 2 that disagree what did u see

atlfc70

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:29:32
Hi guys/gals ,Im sure we as fans feel gutted ,can you imagine how the owners feel after putting in so much cash /effort to see that rubbish served up today,getting beat is sometimes excepted getting crushed is not, dont you henderson fans dare tell me hes not useless and give him time Ill agree if that time is spent as far away from anfield as possible.(godin 66yrs red)yea Im upset going to take a swim in my pool to calm down.

Don't worry pal, by the end of the season net spend will equate to zero, so no loss for the owners.

Ozone.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:27:54
To be fair, Kenny should be judged in the same manner as Roy Hodgson was. If results don't improve, questions about his managing capabilities need to be raised.

I know it's early but we aren't playing great football, although there's glimpses of potential there. And we seem to have picked up from where we left off at the end of last season

Adam was sluggish today. I thought he was gonna be a good buy, but he's been tripe so far, and Enrique looks clumsy at times.

Adam is very lazy. And a bit fat. I honestly think he'd rather be at home eating a Burger or a Kebab rather than on the pitch.

AdamsBurger

Dont be a duck

Agree with you 100% it just might be the emperor has no cloths.

"What do you see when you look in the Mirror? Are you yourself fat and lazy!" Enjoy your Burger and Chill!
kidmillions

To be fair.. Under Kenny we attack, pass and move and play a better confident style of football.
Under Roy, we play defensive hoof football, lack ideas and confidence.
Ok, we played dire today but you can't judge Kenny until atleast Christmas time. I'm sure he'll do good.
Makes me laugh those who demanded Benitez out after one bad season. Bet we would of been close to 4th last season and hard to beat this season. They say careful what you wish for.
Dalglish will do good

That's a negative. I'm neither fat (yet) nor lazy. But I will enjoy a burger and chill.

I'm sure Adam will be doing the same. Full pounder style.

AdamsBurger

Yes we were poor today,and the red cards made it a none contest in the end.That is where it stops pinning our season on one poor game is nothing more than stupidity,as we did all we could but score against sunderland and stoke,and today was the only game we where out played. Kenny has the same amount of points on the the board as roy did after 10 games,and as for Roy his plan b would be to defend the next game where as Kenny will go for the win. Some players need to grow up and start getting in the papers for the right resons and others need to read the game better ie on a yellow for nothing dont drag your boot down the next players leg!
3 pts against the dog heads will put us nicely for the bitters,and try to remember its 4th we are after this season so we can drop a few more points and still make our target,to take us to the next level.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:26:14
just about stopped rolling on the floor laughing at torres miss to post this and all u people saying about andy c being a waste of money just watch torres miss and rethink wat we got now

Torres scored today.
Andy had nice pony tail today.

I liked Andys white boots thought they got him more noticed

Oh well - if Torres never does an other thing in his career, at least he got the monkey off Ronnie Rosenthals' back!

What the heck r u talking abt, seriously are the above posters girls? Andy's ponytail, white boots? There was a football game going on there, one in which we cra*pped so much so that this site is full of angry, dissapointed and hurt folks!
Andy's white boot my ar*e

Bob L

Doesn't mean everyone has to lose their sense of humour. After today's debacle you can only have a laugh. All this bile just makes us look stupid. Chill.
ND

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:21:33
Ok.......alright lets talk....lets talk about haha that Torres' miss........!!

Jack. D

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:07:30
you really think your going to finish top four? give me a break, you just lost 4-0 to a team thats gunna finish 4th, chins up lads hopefully you'll get europa league next season....

seb who, what a donkey he is.

Doh..that must have taken all your brain power to string that sentence together. Why not be constructive and join in the debate instead getting off on your own ignorance. Your words clearly suggest a lack of intelligence, And where did you buy your crystal ball? Sure Spurs were meant to get 4th last year too.

Doh..that must have taken all your brain power to string that sentence together. Why not be constructive and join in the debate instead getting off on your own ignorance. Your words clearly suggest a lack of intelligence, And where did you buy your crystal ball? Sure Spurs were meant to get 4th last year too.

Well with arsenal having a shocking season they aren't going to get fourth now are they, spurs have a better eleven than you and a better squad.
seb coates is shocking looked like a donkey trying to stand upright.

Every team has bad results sometimes. We beat man u at OT but still didnt come above them. Is today a worse result than yours against city which u played at home with 11 men

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:03:11
King Kenny my donkey.

JWalk

Sir Alex my monkey.

Why don't you go spank your monkey slur alex.
king henry

Charlie Adam is chunky.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:02:39
Chin up, chaps! We're just 3 points behind Chavs! I'm confident we can turn it around!

SingRed

 

 

18 Sep 2011 18:00:21
Poor showing today but was impressed with enrique and Lucas, important not sure how much longer i can stomach carollls inept displays tho.

I thought Carroll played very well today, considering he was forced to play in midfield for part of the match, he made some good tackles and defended very well
Don't see how you can call his play inept when he had nothing to play with all game as we were ruined by spuds 12th man
Stop slating our own players

I personally thought lucas was poor today,if we could get 8m id let him go

You are another one wearing blinders they were useless,and when people start to tell it like it is things might get straightend out and soon before its to late

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:59:26
Hi edds when do you think liverpool will start spending the money available on real proven talent to support players like suarez and gerrard instead of just relying on 2 players to win games, its been like this for too long now and i'm a frustrated fan getting anoid with our brittish team of averages! {Ed002's Note - The money has been spent. You seem to simply be over reacting to a poor performance and a bad result.}

Spent on what exactly ed? Adam, ha joke. Hendo, well he's young, but has added nothing so far so its easy to call him average at best. Carroll.. come on.. anybody with even the slightest footballing brain can see he is a waste of space. So where have we strengthened. We are still a 2 man team.. nothing has changed... {Ed002's Note - If you don't know which players Liverpool have purchased this year then perhaps some reading up is in order. If you are not satisfied with the players bought, I suggest you write to Mr Dalglish C/O Anfield.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:59:23
Our first choice back four when all fully fit should be johnson, kelly, agger, enrique

Carra hate to say it is past it, skrtel makes too many errors and coates will need a season to adapt. Agger is only in there because there's noone else and we should reinforce in jan.

For me, martin kelly is the future rock of our defence!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:58:57
lost more points than we have won and conceded more than we have scored...great stats that..but in KK we trust...i wonder

atlfc70

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:50:31
Sadness!

We didn't play well today. Skrtel shouldn't play right fullback anymore. Liability there.

I muz say that spearing did pretty ok when he came on. Made more of an impression than hendo, in my opinion.

I'm not gonna slate the players. Note gonna slate kenny too.

I've been a Red 25yrs. I've been thru worse.

Like I said in an earlier post, let's try to get behind the team and save the moaning and stick december if we'r nowhere near the top 4.

Having said that, still sad.

Singapore Red

I have not seen worse. With all the hope that most of us had and then you see that. All expectation and hope has gone. Left feeling flat and depressed and already starting to not look forward to the rest of the season.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:50:28
Seems to me that Kenny's talk to Mike Riley didn't go very well...

You're never gonna win playing 9 men against 12...

maka

What is wrong with you blaming the ref ,we were RUBBISH pure and simple.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:50:07
Eds n reds let's move on.
Gonna be long season ahead.what ever happens we all love our club.what ever veiws we all have god knows we all care for LFC.

Bad days will not last forever just like good days.

Red till dead.

Red indian

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:47:18
There is no way that Man Utd would of been treated the way we av been by refs at the start of this season. We have been treated disgracefully.

We just need to stick together i thought the ref did us over today.

Mighty reds

GET wise we were RUBBISH today and ten refs on our side wouldnt have helped.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:20:39
Eds we got 3 defenders injured, 1 suspended, what's the news on Fabio Aurelio. {Ed002's Note - Enrique is first choice.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:37:49
kenny got it all wrong today

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:27:42
when you are playing against 12 men you got no chance Adam gets booked for pulling someone back but Adebayor kicks someone in the head but gets nothing,until we start using refs from abroad we wont ever get fair refereeing
mkdlfc

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:26:18
Hi red boys
Rugbyred here
Not gonna comment on our performance
Just a well done to Spurs they out thought us.
Bit worried that we were tactically naive.
Not having a go at the players as of course it's gonna be hard with nine men . They had all the room in the world by then.
Not gonna say we were reffed out of it.
Just ghat tactically we could have been set up differently.
As soon as Parker was on their team sheet we should have known the plan. He did it against us at WHUtd last year.
I think Kuyt on from the start and Luis up front on his with Bellers supporting would have given them sommat to think about .
Tell you what though wouldn't want to be a blue nose coming up against us now!
Work hard , learn that's the way we get better boys!
Ynwa
Rugbyred

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:17:21
One thing is clear, Coates is not ready for Premiership football

Dont be a duck

Based on 60 minutes of football?! And in a team with 10 then 9 men?! You don't know much about the game, do you?

His first match when we were already being battered get real whatbdid he do wrong exactly

And u judge this on???

atlfc70

What an absolutely pathetic thing to say. You really think you've got him figured out? After 60 minutes of football away at Spurs in a team that lost one then two players, to bitch about him not being for the PL is absolutely unacceptable. Grow up and support your team.

DP

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:14:20
Anyone disappointed by Kenny's comments on the game? I am. I think he showed too much respect for Tottenham. He should have just admitted that we didn't play well and take some responsibility off the players by saying his team selection was wrong(which was). it's high time the coaching staff know that something is wrong with the team and needs sorting at Melwood, rather than point the finger at the ref/pitch or whatever factor.

Keith YNWA

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:10:35
In a nutshell, like for like games against those of last season, £100 mill spend and we are two points to the better.

Ozone

I think we spent 47 mill

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:09:54
Now will people believe me: Carroll, Henderson and Adam are only average players. They were hopeless today all at a price of 60 million quid - what a waste of money!

Dont 4get, Lucas, Skertyl !Wasnt jus the new boys

Its not just a case of those 3 players above being average!

The team we have is unbalanced.

We have no out and out striker!
(Suarez aint that)

MArtin just aint up to being a right back not a bad centre half but no right back.

We need a right back, david santon would have being a versatile back four player and we needed someone like him.

We nned a creative midfield player the only one we have with star quality is Steve G and we obviously need another.

4th place as I have said all along is unrealistic, we will be fighting for a top 6 place.


We just don't have enough sparkle. teams know now that if they stop suarez they stop Liverppol!

Commoli has said the team is complete so don't expect January signings unless one or two players leave!

Reina is not the world's best goal keeper!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:09:17
Hey I'm disappointed in the result today like most but I was more disappointed in the loss at Stoke! We were beaten today by the better team on the day! Let's forget about it and get behind the team for the next game! Remember the league is a race not a sprint little Lee

A sprint is a race burke

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:09:09
I am on this site a lot ,and said before the season started that it the defence that we need to look at,carra to slow,blamed the left back today of playing them on when it was him,skirtill,cannot defend at all,he will give away 5 or 6 penns a season,arms all over any forwards,dives in,was out of position today but a top defender should be able to play at any positon in defence,so i am saying ,forget midfield,forwards,it defenders you need,i have to say this but who would get in the man utd,man city,chelsea, defence right now.no one,their must be changes in that department Tony FIFE

You are right Tony,the 1 mistake we have made is not getting a replacment for sami,skirtil is a not the one,he is an average defender,so if you spend all that cash on forwards and not a lot on defenders,the goals will be going in at the wrong end

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:07:41
I said the other day on this very website that carrol wasn't good enough yet and go soo slated!
Anyone believe me yet?
Suarez is going to get frustrated if a quality partner isn't found soon, Torres was the same we think one quality player in every position is enough...
Its been reina
Cara
Gerrard
Torres down the spine for too many years with nothing good enough surrounding it
now we're even worse!!
spend another 100mil in january and get us frustrated fans back in that top spot like we have been dieing for since the 80s!
Harry

I wouldn't allow Dalglish to spend another penny. I didn't want him back in the first place and I hope it's not too long before he's gone. Suarez aside (and possibly Bellamy), his transfer dealings have been appalling. Today was embarrasing - Dalglish was tactically inept.

You just might be right who would you have to replace him? after that performance Ill even put my name in the hat.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:07:14
Looking on the official liverpoolfc.tv forum, the amount of people suggesting this should be the end of Kenny's reign is an absolute joke, i just want to personally say to all the fans suggesting similar on here that you aren't in fact fans, your a disgrace to the club.. i hope none of you are here to celebrate the good times when you clearly cannot handle the bad.

SideShowBob

Kenny should go now for gods sake!

What good will that do?

And who do expect to replace him?

I was thinking the same thing, I don't know if it is supposed to be a joke or something but seriously what is wrong with people
Not being discriminative in any way, but it seemed that it was most of the foreign off spotters posting that he should go
No harshness or anything meant in that comment just what I saw

No one man is bigger than the club. That goes for the manager aswell

Calling for Kennys head allready,you must be joking,one bad result ,arsenal got beat 8-0 a few weeks ago,and you think kenny should go after what was a bad day,spurs played us off the park ,2 men sent off,spurs on top form,and you all blame k.k ,hang your heads,his signning are all young men,let them setille in,4th place this year ,then we will see Tony Fife

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:06:06
Two things cost us dearly today. Firstly Kenny got it wrong in team selection. It was obvious Skirtel would struggle against the pace of Bale and I think Flanagan would have been a better option there. Also, we should have played 5 across the middle and won the battle there. Instead, we played too narrow in the centre and gave their wide players room to run at us and beyond the back 4. Secondly, there's no getting away from it, referees are awful. I'm not going to go as far as saying they are corrupt, as I don't believe its done on purpose. However, they are psychologically programmed to give every 50 - 50 decision to Utd. Look at todays game, with 2 offside decisions going for them with the first two goals. This is down to their fear of Ferguson, which is why he has ranted about every decision for the last 20 years.

redmersey

Why are you talking about utd? we should be looking after ourselves.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:05:37
Don't be too down-hearted by today's results, we need to get behind this team, it's a team that's being rebuilt and needs fans to get behind them

And don't forget....
Gerrard's back this week :)

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:05:09
cmon torres
lets ruin the manc party son

LFC 2929

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:04:56
And now just to rub salts in our wounds; Torres has to score!

Jack. D

Get over it. I'd rather he scored two more than United win again.

I don't know man. I dont want him to score and United to win too. What do I do?

Jack. D

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:02:32
We all as LFC fans will be behind the team and the management. On the other hand we can not ignore performances such as the last two and let everybody as above to get away with it. With comments made against them, they will wake up and hopefully the next game they will be flying on the pitch. If we all keep quiet then they will get away with pure performances and we be going nowhere.
So it is good for them to hear the fans comments good or bad and get the move on. At the end of the day they are professional players and the club paid a lot of money for them. Now we expect a pay back in performances that crash the opponents. NOT LIKE TODAYS.

Good Post.

Accountability.

Sam armchair

Well said I agree if you dont speak out nobody will hear you their are to many posters who if you dont follow blindly you are a manc etc.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:01:19
Tizer red

Noted mate but why are we starting Sktrel at right back. Enrique looks solid enough at least.

Spriggo

I don't know mate, Kenny got it wrong, he's only human. I just think one mistake and a bad day and people are calling for Kenny to be gone. I know people are down but this is the first time we've played so bad all season. Maybe Kenny played him there because he played ok there before and he got it wrong. Let's see how we do against wolves
TIZER RED

 

 

18 Sep 2011 17:00:27
I finally admit, we were terrible today, Kenny was too.
But we are Liverpool. Keep the faith!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:59:21
Hi guys/gals,my earlier post mentioneds spurs outlay as 4/5 millon and ours at over 100 million,so for those who scream blue murder if other posters criticize players/management please at least analyze whats written before blurting out manc/blue nose/or whatever silly remarks you make.Lets face a few facts daglishs was fired from his last two managers jobs which were many years ago,he has spent over 100 million in the last twelve months SPURS have spent 4/5 millon(hello) we all know henderson/adam/carroll are decent players but for a 100 millon plus (come on,)why do they keep playing henderson because they paid so much for him its differcult to admit their wrong.while on the training ground doesnt anybody mention to pass the ball to red shirts and if you have the ball the other team cant hurt you, despite all my negative remarks I feel we will still finish in the top four lets hope that the players and staff think so(wish we had cloned billy liddell albert stubbins ha ha ha.(godin 66yrs red)p.s sorry about today mr shankley/mr paisley we will fix it but please guide them.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:58:38
the only thing that coul make this sunday worse is torres scoring a consolation goal. cant wait till nxt weekend whe we bea the blues...El Pp

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:55:23
My fellow REDS

My heart is bleeding, but I am still behind our boys, no matter what.

Just one thing I noticed, we seem to loose the ball a lot. Long balls, short passes, headers, you name it, the bounce never favours us.

I'm watching the MU vs CH game now, their passes just seem to stick, no matter what. Are our players skills so poor?

Zoula

I have noticed the same. In my opinion, British players (bar a couple) are just not technically as sound as others. And we have a lot of British players.

Ash

We paid so much money for average players.players that are scared of holding the ball like henderson

Ute ad more British than u's today , don't understand ye point ash.

Thats bcoz man utd have the best british players around namely rooney, smalling, jones, young, cleverly....
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:54:14
It was bound to happen sooner or later, it is just a little disappointing that so many of our players had an off day at the same time. I think the way we started and carried on today shows we are still a work in progress, and I think that a lot of teams would have taken us out, let alone one of the top 5 teams in the last 2 seasons.

Lets look at this as a learning experience and hope that we can call this our blip which at least in this part of the season is preferable to being at the end of the season where every point would be vital.

At least we are still a lot better off than we was this time last season.

Red4Ever

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:51:39
Thats what happens when you try and accommadate adam, henderson and carroll in your first team against quality players. midfield piss weak and no creativity upfront kenny got that all wrong today.bellamy and maxi should of started that game with five in midfield and bellamy breaking with suarez. never seen liverpool play so bad, even under hodgeson. Made up adam wont be playing the next game because hes s**t, chasing shadows in that midfield today. For every one good thing he does he does two bad, simply not good enough. kennys got to get a first eleven that plays a quick passing game and keeps the ball well and stick to it and it doesnt include carroll and adam. gutted after that performance today.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:46:45
United are currenty 3-0 up against chelsea and bangin goals in every week.

We cant even beat stoke or tottenham. We are a good 3-4 years away from winning any league. Its sad Gerrard will retire without a league winners medal.

Stop being so depressed it's gerrar own fault thatnhe will have retired by not winning a medal not ours

What? you are out of order with that 'Gerrards own fault' comment. He has put in super-human efforts for our club over the years, and you disrespect him like that. Get a grip mate.

Mr Yellow

To the guy saying it is gerrards fault for not winning a epl medal:
Ur a complete clown. Stevie could have gone to chelsea or real where he wud have won more titles n success. he chose to stay with us n if i were him, i wud admit it was a wrong decision to stay. he has given our club more than it deserves.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:46:12
Hate to say this, but we MISSED OUT on Phil Jones big time!

Jack. D

Considering he only wanted to sign for United, we didn't 'miss out' on him as we didn't have a chance of signing him.

No way he suited to the spam system not ours I'm not pining for him, rather have Coates any day

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:42:18
Just been reading all the negative comments from the so called fans. We play poor one game and suddenly you want a new manager and we going to finnish 8th. Yes we played poor, yes we deserve to loose, but its still early on in the season. People need to remember, Hendo and Carroll are still young and Adam come from Blackpool, Give them chance to bed in, let them learn to deal with the pressure. People saying that they'd pick Parker over hendo, well I'd pick Stevie over Parker any day.
I support our club through thick and thin because that's what real Liverpool fans do. Call yourselves Liverpool fans. Your not worthy of being a true fan of this club, the true fans on here will know what I mean. Fire the negative comments at me, I'll even sign my post.
TIZER RED

I thought the point in buying those players over foreigners was because they're used to the league and dont need time to settle in? I think if we have to wait for players to settle in anyway we might aswell make sure they are the best we can get.

Exactly what I say Tizer, those so called fans must go support another team.

Zoula

Tizer red why do you think that if a liverpool fan has something negative to say about a terrible liverpool peformance they are not a proper liverpool fan are you just conditioned to accept that performance? to me if a fan come on here an had something negative to say it means hes hurting and probably passionate fan.

That's a good point but we've played pour for one game, Last week we played well but lost. Let's see how Kenny deals with the players and let's see how the players respond. I think Kenny bought prem players to hit the ground running which may or may not be the best decision but after one game of playing bad ?? I'm sure we will get a result mid week and win the next few prem games, especially the derby.
TIZER RED

Let them bed in eh and pray tell how long will that take, if we listern to you we will be in the championship and they will still be bedding in.(godin 66yr red.)

Godin. I think you are exaggerating slightly with your comments. We have had one bad day and two bad results. my point is fans want Kenny out now but will sing his praise if we go on an unbeaten run. Is the Liverpool way not to stick with managers? Yes Kenny was wrong in his tactics but good managers will always bounce back. Let's see were the next 3 games go.
TIZER RED

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:39:00
2 nil Utd in 36 mins after scoring 13 in their last two games. Reality certainly has slapped us in the face today. I genuinely felt as though we were capable of mounting a challenge this season.

Ozone

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:36:09
Look at the mistakes made in the summer and last winter. We could've bought Aguero...we bought Carroll. We could've bought Mata...we bought Henderson. Just changing those two players would make us a hugely improved team.

I did say when the rumours curculated about Aguero that he would be a fantastic signing. And the eds laughed me off saying he wouldn't cope with england and that his wages were too high. His wages are well worth it now. 7 goals to Carrolls none. Perhaps its just me but if you want quality you have to pay for it.

Mr E {Ed001's Note - no one said he wouldn't cope with England, don't lie and try and make yourself look smart.}

I'm not lying, plenty of people said it was too physical and he was too small. There were a couple of posters (myself included) which felt otherwise.

Mr E

You're a terrible fan, if you search Aguero you can see his wages and all the add-ons, the wages would dwarf Gerrard's and ruin the entire wage cap at the club and ruin our finances. Carroll has scored this season by the way, all these players are gelling, either support the team or support Man City if you love that Aguero that much. Embarrassing.

Alex

Why would Aguero and Mata join us? We finished 6th last season, no CL football... if they join for the money, we don't want them. We want people who want to play for us, like Bellamy and Coates

SingRed

We didn't buy Carroll in the summer, Mr Stupid.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:33:44
Terribly disappointing day of course - best to think of it as an aberration and move on. We started slowly, the midfield couldn't get a grip and Spurs did well. Then things deteriorated...
Most posters on here need to grow up. It was a really bad day but we are a work in progress. Keep supporting and have some faith. If you abandon your team and condemn themafter one very poor performance what kind of fan are you?
Also, did anyone else get sick of hyperbole the commenters were coming out with about Spurs? Sure, they played well but anyone would think they were Barcelona they way they were going on! You wouldn't think they had already lost 2 games, including one 5-1.

We should not class ourselves as a team that is being built or is not ready we are in the hardest league in the world with some of the best players and teams.
We have spent countless millions on players that should have the ability to play and we can't always fall back on this rebuilding s**t transfer window Is over we are no Longer building it is done

Thought you had a chance today, what with dawson out and the 'real' king only training for a couple of hours on a friday, I think at your
ground last term ledley never
gave suarez a kick and vice
versa les with carroll, all
week its been were gonna do
this and gonna do that,
basically your a poor side, you
played today a team that had
had unreast, a team where
most of the players don't get
on with the manager, you
payed well over the odds for
run of the mill players, as I
said, there is but ONE king
and that's ledley king

So the rebuilding is all done after one transfer window? Have some patience and get real... we have new owners, new management team and lots of young players. We haven't spent 'countless' millions, and the signings are for the long-term not just one admittedly bad game against Spurs. Stop moaning and get behind your team.

When u come to us, hope we get the 12th man in the ref too, well played today, just another 35 games to go, bring it on...

Suffolkn'red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:32:51
Hey Ed! judging from all the moans and groans, you would think that we were right royally screwed by FSG to appoint KD as manager, seeing as the players he bought all failed miserably! Should have stuck with Hodgson, at least the moaners have a scrapegoat to shift all the blame on!

SingRed

We do he's called the ref

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:31:50
The refs are at least now showing some consistency of being absolutely shocking when in a Liverpool game
Who was the ref today anyway? and is there anyway of complaining about them? although it did no good before. I'm not happy with the teams performance, but it doesn't help when spuds had 12 men and that extra man was the official and is supposed to be impartial or not as the case may be.
How many players did we have booked compared to spuds who put in some nasty tackles too?
Bean

Thought the ref was alright today carnt keep complaining about the ref after every game. The team was absolutely s**t today

Yeah but when the ref made the game fir spurs by booking or sending everyone off it makes us look and play crap. Yes the side was poor as it is but I feel if the fre had not been playing for spurs then we could've stood a chance at playing a part in the game

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:31:18

how many of the fans here slagging team off today,were here two months ago ,saying yea this it ,ok we did play poor and got punished severley but its happened ,so move to next game .thought skirtel was looking to be sent off really he was poor wreckless at times ,in fact most of the team looked below par ,losing two at the back didnt help really .onward and upward i say we will play better but thats not hard after result today soon we will fire ....... just hope were still in it

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:29:57
very bad result today but we have to move on,its times like this that we the fans have to get behind the team just like the fans who traveled today.
they were brilliant a example to us all fair-play to them.
king henry

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:20:42
Whatever way you look at it? forget this game! Which I think we'll have to and just look at raw ability Carra and Skyrtle compared to Enrique and Agger are not of the required standard and there lack of ability to pass and keep possession or even just look like an accomplished defender / footballer puts our midfield on the back foot. Instead of us being comfortable and confident in possession and getting a foothold in the game.
Were always losing possession through the same 2 players which in my book in todays football is worse than not being able to tackle.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:19:50
Spurs 4- 0 Liverpool!

That's what happens when two players got sent off, one of your top defender got injured and taken off, a s**t referee enjoying a card feast & at last players playing awfully. Spurs deserved the points.

But lets not forget that LFC is a club in rebuilding process, disappointments will come along the way. This is not the end. I am with King Kenny & all LFC players till the end. Even with this awful Andy, hope he comes good in the near future but he has a hell lot to improve.

Walk on through the wind & rain tho your dreams be tossed & blown, Keep your heads held up high. YNWA!

YNWA Fellow Reds!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:16:09
I don't think it would be fair to deny the spuds the glory of a good win, after all their positional play and passing was excellent today and even on a good day we would have struggled! At the same time I agree Adam's badly timed tackles every game are somewhat of an accident waiting to happen and perhaps this will teach him a valuable lesson, gerrard will be back soon and I imagine it will be Adam who makes way! Skrtel being played out of position was not his fault, I would have perhaps gone with Robinson or flanno who would at least be able to complete with bale in terms of pace! I would like to see Bellamy start on the right and how swapping side with downing would work! Carroll I think had his best game for us and made some important tackles! A lit to take away from today and work on but onwards and upwards still 35 games to go!

Danski

Carra was again poor today, our great organiser was way behind his back four at stepping out playing Defoe and Adebayor onside.Yes I know the ref showed no consistency,as we made 9 fouls with 6 yellows they made 15 fouls to 1 yellow. it was a bad day at the office, where we played too deep,(Carra)at the start .They scored a great goal. we could not match them Physically, because every time we tried to we got a player booked.Decisions do change games, and we were not treated the same as spurs .Kenny made a comment last week about the Ref, I think this guy was trying to make a point of not trying to be influenced by what he said. I think he treated us by the book, but forgot to treat harrys men the same.

micheal Mouse

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:15:33
All those people that said they'd prefer charlie adam over meireles must feel pretty stupid now. Yep you're right he does put his feet in and go for 50/50 balls...and get sent off. Thats what happens when you put your feet in all the time.

I thought Carroll was a massive improvement after he was forced to play deeper, also thought every single member of our team was terrible.

I agree I thought andy played very well out of position and he at least tried for the team, them new White boots helped him

Last week I ssggested playing Carroll deeper because it would give him a little more time. Everybody laughed at the suggestion.
SLODGE

Enrique shouldn't be included in that - he did well. Best signing of summer so far.
ND

Meireles is having a stormer for Chelsea against the mancs so are Torres and Mata
kidmillions

Fair enough there, Enrique was ok but he needs to learn when to pass. Dribbles into trouble sometimes. Downing is our best signing in my opinion.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:13:33
This performance is going to wreak my week quite frankly. Jesus H Christ! What happened? To be honest, I think that we let the start of the game game get to us, and then once that little pube of a ref started lashing yellows out like they were invitations to Mike Rileys birthday party, We were done for.

Adam's fisrt challenge was never a yellow. That ref looked like that little bell end that does the Virgin media adverts. Little weasel.

Anyway, I think that we'll bounce back from this, but I was seething at the commentary. Alan Smith and that other thong sniffer from Sly really wound me up. Fair do's to Spuds, they pulled our pants down, but the we looked lost from the 4th minute or so.

Lets get a bit of pride back against those blunenoses.

Scott78.

I can't stand sky sports and their commentary anymore, I never have understood the ex... Player commentating on teams that they hated as a player and still hate today, same with the pundits??
And the simple biased nature of a Liverpool hating company

I know with phil thompson in the studio every saturday and jamie redknapp at the matches almost every week there is no one that talks up liverpool at all. what a joke everyone is bias towards there own club you should watch it as a fan of a smaller club when no one from your club can defend your team. {Ed003's Note - I know that feeling}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:43:43
All of these people with the negativity ! We are Liverpool FC !
Liverpool 7 points in 5 games.
Arsenal 4 points in 5 games.
Spurs 6 points in 4 games. Max 9 points.

We are in a good position to gain 4th place ! Got to say though the ref screwed us again ! What was he thinking sending Adam off ! That changed the game.
Cheers mate :)
IrishRed.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:43:05
I am through with this Banter site. Nothing against the Eds, you do a great job lads. However, some of the comments on here from so called supporters are nothing short of disgraceful and disrespectful to the owners,KD and the club.
If those so called supporters don't like what they see, don't like certain players or think KK should go, f..k off and 'support' someone else. Liverpool Football Club don't need you.
The Goatherder
JFT96

I agree the whole team played badly but Carroll was sh*te and the Henderson was non existent the whole game! To make things further, by putting those two on over say kuyt and bellamy, we are effectively handicapping ourselves from the outset. As for KK's tactics, I think he was totally wrong, aftter the first half hour, I would have made som changes straight away, kuyt for hendo and Bellamy for Carroll.

King Dong YNWA {Ed002's Note -

JFT96...remember a lot of posts are rival fans posing as LFC fans & saying stuff to get us riled.

dd

Everybody is entitled to their opinion even if it dosent match yours. Fans get frustrated, and they are entitled to their post , but they still support their team! We are a family as a club, we'll fall out but we'll always support each other!
Red&Bred

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:42:06
I take it this will be put down to another small blip and everyone else will be to blame..and the in KK we trust blinkered fans will defend everything...I have said it before and i will say it again..no pace no creativity...and we r never gettin top 4..next month will tell all....the henderson,adam and carroll doubters will be hard at it tonite..and i for one wouldnt blame them

atlfc70

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:42:04
Since when did the season finish in September?

King luis

For us not far off september last year

atlfc70

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:13:11
LFC keep making 'POOR DECISIONS' since '91. When we have decent money this season, we build a mediocre team. The decision to buy over-rated british players cost us since Stoke defeat, of course we fans will give new signings time, but real individual quality can be seen in 3 or 4 games, we all see Carroll, Adam, Downing and Henderson are mediocres. If we still have money we should have busy winter next jan or forget champions league.

Agree with you with all except downing. I was very anti downing before he came and now I think he is the only player that doesnt look out of his depth

Downing and enrique for me have been quality the rest i agree look very average we have got to start bellamy and kuyt ahead of carroll and henderson.

Thanks, I'm not moaning.. I care for LFC and I cant stand to speak when I saw something's not right. I dont watch MU v Chelsea, I go for drink to forget this game

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:10:26
Just a quick note about the last 2 games. Against Stoke on another dayw e could have won that 2 or 3-0, refs decisions and frustrating misses cost us.
Today it did go wrong, but that is only two bad performances so far.
Look at the players we have to come back, Gerrard, Kelly, Johnson, Aurelio, these players will improve our standing so much.
Skrtel has been exposed at right back in both games so far, but Kelly and Johnson will be far more appropriate, due to experience.
Gerrard will offer Downing, Adam and Suarez more support going forward. Kuyt never played today either, someone who could have shackled Bale with his tireless efforts.
For me, losing away at Tottenham is not all bad, they are a decent team and will beat a lot of teams at White Hart Lane.
So in all for me, we could have beaten Stoke on another day, and although a bad performance today a full team will help immensely.

Anfield Andy

Agree with your post.. finally someone posting sense..

Yeah but I thought we were supposed to have strength in depth now though? Cant keep blaming bad performances on players being missing. Especially not when you spent 50m in the summer. If we lose next game will we blame it on agger being absent. Its about time people started to be accountable. If missing those few players is the difference between 4-0 against tottenahm and a win then our squad is exceptionally poor.
Mr E

Thats all well and done Andy but if we don't get anything against Wolves, there is an argument that after a £100 mill so called team improvement outlay, statistically theres been a two point improvement on last season as the only difference this season so far is that we beat Arsenal rather than draw, to date, all other results are the same as last season.

You could say we have more points on the board than we did at this point last season but last season we beat Bolton at home, drew with sunderland at home, lost at Spurs and lost at Stoke. Im fearful we won't beat Brighton and I certainly can't see us getting anything at goodison and I think Utd will roll us over at Anfield in October, so wheres the improvement?

Ozone

I agree with ozone. 100 milllion poorly spent. N no real improvement. Players purchased were carp. The only reason we did well towards the end of last season was bcoz we had nothin to win or lose. there was no pressure, wat kk did last season wasnt exactly the work of god.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:09:54
Lets keep complaining about the ref and all these other excuses... you were beaten, mauled... dry your eyes. I never come on these things to complain or have a go at anyone, but a lot of you are talking utter bulls**t. I don't mind Liverpool... But grow a pair, admit your defeat, stop making excuses, and move on.

And you're here why?

Spot on lad
Just waiting for the usual three or four
Die Hards who will spend their time telling us fans that were not real fans and support the team etc
We were utterly predictable but more worryingly spineless in character .
No fight
Kenny needs more than phsycology and a
bit of motivation . Discipline and focus
Plus tactics would be helpful.
Utter disappointment
Darent post my name as I will just start getting slagged

Who ever u r mate i'll sign it for ya and take the stick..cause i sure as hell can take it and fire it back...well said by the way

on his behalf

atlfc70

Spineless in character you practice and preach then mr no name
aintree dave

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:06:40
We are hoping for first four. With performances like todays we will be lucky if we end up sevent or eighth. last season we played with players that some fans refeared to as Dead Wood. Instead of that we beat Man U Man C and Chelsy. Now we are claiming that we have a complete squat with quality. Look at last weeks and this weeks result.
SOMETHING IS NOT WRIGHT

Yes, it's your spelling

Chris in Tamworth

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:03:34
This banter page should quieten down now the Man U game has started and their fans go and watch that instead of coming on here.

These can't be Liverpool fans as I see no support from them. Hope to god none of them has kids, they'll never live up to their expectations

So true mate

ste liverpool

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:01:23
We were very unfortunate today,but we lost to a better team today. Top 4 is still very much on,just believe and to all the nameless nega-posters please keep your comments to yourself cause i sure as hell dont wanna read them. We all know where our problems lie,but turning on our own players wont help anyone. This is where we as fans need to stand together. We will get better.
Capetownred

I don't think we were unfortunate, we were beaten by a better side, who were quicker to everything, hence the 2 red cards. I just can't fathom how the team 3 weeks ago looked so cohesive but today looked like they had never played together. They do still need time to get to know how each other reads the game, but they need to sort it out and real quick. We have the Toffees and Man Utd coming up real soon.

Spurs better on the day! Granted! But better team? No! Kenny is still learning about his players and their capabilities.
He'll put the right team out soon! And we wont look back.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 16:00:27
last week i said decent performance, s**te result.
This week, performance of a relegation candidate (no im not saying we are going to get relegated) and a bollox result. i honestly cannot remember loosing by such a scoreline. it is embarrasing.

stoke are a difficult team but SUNDERLAND managed to score 3 past them today!

Today there are no excuses (even though the ref's are doing my head in) we played poor, it is no more than we deserved. for some reason every time we face a team with abit of quality and skill we tend to struggle massively. i think DC needs to reconsider his oppinion, because this is not a complete team yet.

LFC 2929

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:58:35
well yet again we were poor and it shows that adam and lucas together aint that good, why the hell did kenny play skrtel at rb and carrol wide right?

is he finally losing his marbles the game was made for bellamy

midland red


SHOCKING, SHOCKING, SHOCKING

I dont agree with "yet again we were poor". I think Liverpool have had a good start this season upto last week. Yes last week they should have won but i wouldnt say they played poor? Today i agree they were as a team surprisingly poor.

NOBODY was good today. Lets dont forget they play for us the fans to make us proud of our team. I think the fat cheques they get every week put a lot of weight on them so they can not move around the pitch

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:58:08
I've tried to stay positive about Carrol but he's a joke, the lad can't even run with the ball. He's a one trick pony who's forgot the trick.

Henderson constantly hides, he's too busy pointing at other players who he thinks should have the ball rather than him and wants to avoid taking any responsibility at all cost.

Downing's body language was there for all to see and Adam's temperament has been found out as he wasn't allowed time on the ball.

But the 'coup de grace' has to be Kenny's decision to play Skirtle at right back against Bale. Whats going on Kenny? Why not play Flanno at right back and have him sitting deep with Kuyt on the right of midfield to give him a helping hand rather than having Mr No show Henderson.

Furthermore, its a clear sign that a centre halfs no longer effective when they constantly want to play the off side trap (Carra). To add insult to injury he had the cheek to start whining at Enrique for the 3rd goal when in fact it was him who hadn't played the line properly.

Back to the drawing board. I did say prior to the Stoke game that the next three games would define us. At best we may take three points but thats not looking likely if today's anything to go by.

Ozone

At least he kept his head up when every one else was dropping theirs; from what I saw, he was the only one going for the ball when we were down to nine men.

SingRed

Yes and as soon as he got it he lost it.

Ozone

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:49:50
Calling anyone on here slating certain players after today's performance and saying they shouldn't play for the team again:

If you're going to the next home game, make banners advertising your opinions; boo the players you want out; boo Kenny for picking them; generally show how pissed off you are with the club after 5 games of the season.

Let us know how you get on with those fans who know how football works when you do all of the above. Don't just hide behind your keyboard: if you really believe what you type then show your opinions at the stadium.

I bet you don't, unsupportive, pessimistic cowards.

I can assure you pal, when I'm at the game and I witness a performance like that I'll voice it as I see it. Notwithstanding getting behind the team generally as the support today demonstrated.

So in the pub afterwards or in the car on the way home the conversation would be what after a perfomance like that?

Ozone

Doubt they've ever been to Anfield

You are right mate but with ambition to be in top four we can not afford results such as last's or this week's

Go away with your can do attitude, it was plain to see today that we are not a top 4 team, when you spend 100m you expect results and that was embarrassing, so yes we will criticize, its well deserved criticism!!

It would be why players who have played fairly well this season so far played so poorly today; that this should hopefully be a one-off; that Spurs played well and any team with 10 or 9 men would have struggled; that it isn't the end of the world and that players should be judged on more than 4 or 5 games; and that total pessimism after one very poor performance is stupid.

He says all that and then doesn't sign his post. Coward?

Ash

Sorry, Ash, forgot to sign off - p!ssed off about the result and the pessimistic 'the season is over after 5 games' sh!te.

Criticism is justified but 'the world is over' p!sh isn't. It's one match in which we performed badly but hopefully we can move on. I hope the players don't share this attitude or we will be struggling for the rest of the season.

Only 5 matches played, remember.

Mr Benn

What a pile of s**te, I've never been to Anfield, does that mean I feel ANY worse, I simply can't afford to. Would I hold a banner in the crowd if I could, are you rockin stupid, of course I wouldn't - but I'm entitled to my opinion, and more importantly it's an objectively assessed point of view not a knee jerk, we were outplayed and the key reason was our defensive weaknesses...

I don't think 4th is beyond us, nor even 3rd but for that there needs to be some critical decisions made defensively. I stand 100% on my post. We all need to move on,

Suffolk'n Red

It was the midfield that we lost it today

Sufflok'n Red,

My point was that it's easy to criticise on here yet many wouldn't do it at the ground so easily. It was really aimed at all those who think the season's over already and who can't be anything but pessimistic, even when we play well! You at least have some realism and I share your view that it's one game and we need to learn from it and move on.

Mr Benn

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:49:32
This is the second defeat in two weeks. I like to support the team and the players but then again it is upseting to see performances like today's.
Our 35 mil striker lost the ball every time he touched it, our 20 mil LW performed like a first time player and our mid field didnt exist.Two red cards. This means to me that the players were two weak for challenge and therefore gave fouls and therefore yellow cards. I wonder what our players do during training because on the last two matches, they played like a third division players. I think we should re-think about the policy young and british and get players with pace and power to give us the fans the pleasure of being proud of our team by scoring goals.
todays performance was unacceptable. NOBODY of our eleven played well. Waste of time. The spurs team nailed us into our half for 95min not giving us a chance to produce anything.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:49:28
ade got man of the match he should of been sent off long before adams were.the ref was a disgrace we were getting back into a game so he sends charlie off i thought kenny was supposed to have a word with the head of the refs so much for fair play then.we did not play well and got caught cold but did not deserve a 4 nil beating.to top it off just watch torres get a hatrick.hipkop07

What did adebayor do can't remember

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:49:26
We need to stop criticizing specific players. They are only as good as they are. They were chosen (and bought at outrageous prices) by management. I suspect if someone asked Carra he would say that he is not good enough to start anymore. Kenny was a hit when team had no where to go but up, and played with wreckless abandon. Now it is down to tactics, desire, etc. I don't see either. I think we do have some talent in the squad, but it will take a proven manager to get the best out of the squad. Kenny is an excellent cheerleader. Nothing more. I respect him, but who in their heart feels we are truly a better team than last year? We certainly don't look it. As you can clearly see, our two wins were against Bolton (who are leaking goals against everyone) and an Arsenal side that was in shambles. Agree we deserved a point against Stoke, but Sunderland could have beaten us, and Tottenham have most certainly done that. Next game is a must win, but it certainly isn't a guaranteed win, and infact, may be a disaster waiting to happen.

I hope I look back in 2 -3 years and feel guilty about this rant. All of the pics of players smiling in practice, and chanting about days of old on the Liverpool home page are really good PR work by the team. I wonder if Suarez really cries when he is alone. He could (and may very well by January) be playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Inter Milan.

Ofcourse this is a gloomy outlook, but how can you feel any different after watching todays game.

Coop

"I think we do have some talent in the squad, but it will take a proven manager to get the best out of the squad. Kenny is an excellent cheerleader. Nothing more"

to be honest that comment right there is nothing short of disgraceful in my opinion, how your calling yourself a fan is beyond me.

SideShowBob

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:48:39
well that was a waste of a afternoon,we can forget about top 4 we will be lucky to finish top 10,henderson,adam,caroll all a waste of money,cara and skirtle need to go and kk needs to stop buying s**t british players.
we can blame the ref all we want but at the end of it all liverpool played rubbish today end of
we need wolrd class players not overrated britsh crap

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:54:18
We should have bought Diego instead of Adams,Honda instead of Henderson and Gomez instead of Carroll

Couldnt agree more wages would have been higher but fees abot 2/3rds the amount. we would have bought real quality

Bang on!

We didn't buy a player called Adams.

Adam, carrol n hendo r crap. I wish we had bought some1 else. Wonder wat rafa wud have done if he had 100 mln to spend. banega, llorente, honda.....
I noe im gonna get stick for this, but im being realistic: kk is not gonna take us forward. If we wanna usurp the scum, gotta bring rafa back. No point living in the past.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:54:11
When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark

At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark

Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown

Walk on walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone

That is all that needs to be said.

mdp

Thanks Mate. Been saying that for 20 years now. Not helped though....

We seem to be walking in to alot of storms latley

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:52:25
Ed. Get ready for more 'we should have bought Mata', 'we should have bought Aguero', 'why didn't we try harder for Jones and Young?' posts to go with the 'why didn't we sign Adebayor?' posts that have begun to appear already.

I don't envy you dealing with the nonsense that arrives in the inbox after defeats and draws, even after some victories. {Ed001's Note - it is lucky I can delete what I have typed before posting it sometimes!}

I don't think you should delete it - just post the replies and let the idiots fume. Maybe some of them will be so angry, they won't come back on the site - result!

This isnt a defeat draw or slight victory.. its an absolut battering by a closest rivals for top four...today showed massive flaws in our team/squad. as a fan i have everyright to miffed with this result. esp having travelled down to watch the game. EL P.

It's one game, though. Why don't you ask the club for your money back instead of whining on here?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:51:27
It's all too predictable after every game the kneejerking that takes place. Terrible result but with 2 players sent off, did you expect more? They didn't play well to start but what is the point in slagging the team off after a bad result.

Money has been spent but the squad required an overhaul, the results won't happen overnight, some people have too many expectations, it's gonna take more than 5 games to get everyone used to each other enough to be a coherent unit.

If you can't wait for that then support Man City, but then they spent £100 million in 2009 and never made the Champions League.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:51:20
adam needs more compusure....he and skrtel( he made useless challenges when we were already one man down)...both of them handed the match on a plate to spurs......if these two hadnt been sent off...iam pretty sure it would have been a different story

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:57:33
How many times did the defence just step up with their hand in the air trying to play offside and getting cought out, I list count , reason for this is except Enrique we have no pace at the back which you need nowadays.

Very disappointed with today's result and performances by some of are signings but it is only 1 game so not going to judge them just yet.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:57:14
Dear Mr Carragher,

You are as we all know a honoured and loyal servant to Liverpool Football Club and I bow to your contributions in former years.

Can I ask if, as I hope you would - put club before your own participation, how much longer you feel it necessary to occupy a place in the first team rather than passing on your unquestionable experience to others.

In today's example we saw Skrtel played out of position and clearly leave us utterly exposed as a result. This is only MY opinion not that of others but I feel that your inclusion is more through loyalty to you as player than it is to the productivity of the team. I'm sorry to say that I feel we are already down half a man when you are on the teamsheet which wrenches my stomach but my heart says play on. The contribution is there to be made, off the field.

I hate writing this, I feel disloyal, but for the good of the confidence and to enable the growth in the structure of the team, I ask you to consider your position.

A sad day, but a new day for all should you decide to take it.

Suffolkn'red

I know I'll get lambasted for putting this down but that's what a forum is for. Sorry JC, we all grow old... You'll always be one of THE Anfield legends!

Totally disagree who would take his place in the first team now agger is injured?
come on buddy think about it he is more than just a player his captians the defence better than any other in the prem get off his back.. kenny will know and so will cara when he is ready to give up

Sorry mate, I know that the choice is hard, but there should have been another option before Agger was injured, that's my point.

Suffolkn'red

Man United lost Scholes, Neville and Van der sar. They have replaced them and moved on. So should we, Carra is a legend and always will be but his time has come.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:56:48
Referee was shocking today,What I want to know is why wasn't parker sent off for lashing out at lucas.
Tommo

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:56:29
I know there will a lot of kneejerk reaction and bombardment towards the team, but quite frankly it's overboard and ridiculous...

think about it... spuds have been together for over 3 seasons; they have built a strong understanding plus you don't get to the CL with a poor squad; we have 7, seven new players in the team, you definitely need time to let them gel (though I expect KD to be man enough to take the blame and say we were not good enough today)

Of course if you expect us to walk over any and all before us, it's your own self-belief. That's all

SingRed

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:55:42
This is no jerk reaction it has been clear all season - we need to buy to a centre mid to replace Adam, nearly every game I have seen him play for Liverpool and Scotland he gives away silly fouls becuase of his lack of mobility/agility and timing. We need a proper centre mid along side Lucas that dominates posession and creates accurately and consistently. Adam will only work if you accomadate him in a 4-3-3 and unfortunately so far it looks like kk doesnt fancy that system, perhaps he will change when Stevie is back.

It's been clear all season...What? After 5 games and he needs to be replaced. Get a grip

Adam is a good player, replace Lucas plzzzzzzzzz!

To the person saying adam is better than lucas:
either u have never watched us play or u were drunk when u posted this.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:55:41
How rubbish were we today,time for KK to get tough,
Henderson to go to reserves,and Carrol, awful day,why did Kyut not get on or Maxi, KK will turn around,no more KK effect,just tough love

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:55:34
I'm glad to see that many fans are beginning to see the light and see that Carra's time is up, Henderson and Carroll not good enough(yet) I believe the match was lost from kick off. We were perhaps too ambitious, putting two upfront away from home, we should have stuck to the five man midfield and leave Carroll out.

Carroll is lazy. Very lazy. It's as though he's waiting in the opposition penalty box waiting for the ball to come to him. The management should get his head sorted or ship him out. He simply doesn't have the attitude to make it big here. Some players get injured for the cause, some get sent off, but the thing in common they do have is that they tried. Carroll hasn't tried.

Dirk Kuyt. Boy he's had his fair share of critics over the years, but having started the last 3 matches and many fans calling him useless, he was dropped today. The result? Everyone wants him back now. Same think happened before with Meireles. Everyone called him weak, and what now, everyone wants him back. I don't know, go figure.

Carragher's time is up. No doubts about that. Did anyone count the number of times he made a backpass to Reina, or just gave the ball away? Is this all he can offer to the team? Sure he can organise a defence, but I think defence organisation can be sorted out on the training ground. Ageing, however cannot. Make no mistake he has been a legend, but for the sake of the club's progress, he has to go. Kenny also has to learn that no one is indispensable, and that he and Gerrard can be dropped. I wonder if Carra's losing the respect of the players given how he's played poorly and still gets picked?

Keith YNWA

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:47:45
if all you moaners haters dont like it go and surport sum1 else,because your surport is a joke.to call for kenny to be sacked is a joke.we played with 9 men,what did you expect us to win 2.1.we started off poor,but had no help from the ref.to write are season off is a joke all you arm chairs go and surport the mancs

ste liverpool

Get real mate, Kenny got it wrong today, no if's buts or maybe's. Skirtle at right back with Mr No Show Henderson on the right as support. What was he thinking?

Don't pull the old ref wasn't on our side card, you sound worse than Kenny. They were both sendings off, simple.

Carroll was crap, the lad can't even run with the ball he's that bad. What does he bring to the table? One trick pony and his trick isn't too impressive. His body language just isn't right. The Carroll project is not going to work, he hasn't got the right character for the job. He's no Dzecko but thats the standard we should be expecting.

Ozone

Totally agree some people need to look up the definition of supporter.win lose or draw we have to support our team like our away fans did today made me proud.we where s**te today and deserved what we got but crying and moaning achieves nothing.support your team whatever happens and try to adress your concerns in a positive manner by shouting louder and loving our club more,or you can whinge and sulk like a certain spaniard
Chin up man up
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
Kiss the badge

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:45:12
Not seen us play as bad in a long time. Skrtel had the worst performance I have even seen by a red in a lomg time

No, he shouldn't have been played out of position against one of the best wingers in the world. Why blame Skrtel? Should he have taken steroids and gotten faster for the game?

Yes, but it was because he was a round peg in a square hole playing against one of the best left wingers in the game who had no protection from Henderson (who has dissapointed me beyong belief!).....You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it was going to end in tears...

Agreed Skrtel and Adam were poor and a yard off the pace... and the rest of the team weren't much better... all these posts criticising individuals are wrong - would Liverpool have won with Hendo and Carroll out of the team?.. i don't think so.. the whole team looked like they'd had a late one last night.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:45:10
you bunch of hypocrites! Placing the blame squarely on KK's shoulders? Did you forget that there are 11 players on the pitch who are to blame also. Fair enough, the tactics were wrong, but don't just blame the manager for today's result, both Adam and Skrtel were in the wrong. It pisses me off that so-called 'fans', who were singing the praises of Kenny when he got apponinted are now ripping him to pieces. Do yourselves, fans and the club a favour and get behind the team and the manager, otherwise keep your opinions to yourselves. In KK we trust!

"In KK we trust"? Fans like you who have jumped on this bandwagon are the same ones who will be screaming for his dismissal soon. You are just cheering for team idol and not looking at the man's ability to manage the team. Yes, he made people happy for a while. But we need a team that can play football.

We are not the ones to choose the players or the tactics or to carry out the training

See blinkered..scared to look at the big picture..take ur nose out of kennys ass and u might see the REAL world around u

atlfc70

Your a muppet mate. Tactics were down to KD the bl;ame lays with him

The players are also to blame as well as the training coaches and the management. 110mil gone into waste

Give it a break, everyones entitled to an opinion.

Ozone

Joking arent you. carroll should never have started. skrtel can not play at rb carragher should of been there. adam is gd when he is given space but he was never going to get it with someone like parker playing. suarez was locked into playing on one of the wings and wasnt able to play the free role he has so far this season. the tactics were all wrong and yh the players should of played better but if there not in their position

Unlike you lot I do trust in KK, and no, I won't be calling for his dismissal. Take yourself back to your armchair where you support the club and remain there. Real fans get behind the team, regardless of the result, and if you want instant results for your £110 mil then go and support city, again from the comfort of your armchair

How long have you supported liverpool, since last week? Liverpool had sustained success under Dalglish when he was a player/manager, so his credentials are sound. Let me guess though, you've already won the treble on Champ manager, thus making you an authority on the subject

FFS every team has a bad game or run, its going to take time for the team to build up not just over night!!!

DB

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:44:35
the fact that modric wanted to leave for chelsea really affected hos performance today. i mean the first goal was a fluke. they shud have got rid of him like we didmereiles. Or signings bar suarez and enrique are very questionable. Sick and tiredof hearing we bought potential its rubbish. i would take adebayor and parker over carrol and henderson evry day of the wee.

Adebayor will upset the apple cart there aswell soon enough, you want egos or team players?

Again someone else to blame..a fluke..if that was our suarez u wouldnt be sayin that..it was a great finish wise up

atlfc70

Carroll, Hendo, Adam, Enrique, Downing were all signed by KD and DC. Should we sack the gaffer, the DOF and the whole board for supporting KD, and put you in charge?

SingRed

I do agree with you. Clubs do not have to accept transfer requests unless they want to.

To allow 2 flair players to leave the club, maybe a mistake?

CA is a good squad player, but not the midfield player that's going to take us forward.

Sam armchair

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:44:29
Ed, I must say the fans that attended the game today were outstanding in their support for the team although we were well beaten.

Well done to them.

Sam Armchair

The players didnt deserve it though

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:41:06
So. Today we were hammered by a team who's manager employed better tactics than us.

Their idea was simple; don't let Adam have time on the ball thus being able to pick out passes and feed Suarez, who usually creates our goals.

Scott Parker clearly had this job and as soon as Adam was sent off, his day got a lot easier meaning he could focus on the less influential Lucas, leaving Modric to run the game.

Bale must have been laughing his c**k off at seeing he was to be against Henderson and Skrtel. If he were to assume they were going to play like they have done before, he would have known Henderson will just wander into the middle of the park leaving a clear pathway all the way through to Skrtel who will never match his pace and get caught out of position like he did against Stoke many times.

I've backed Carroll time and time again but there has to be a point where we all stop and realise. He is not good enough for us. He did nothing to benefit the team today, although having said that, his work rate was perhaps 1% better than the usual 0% he appears to give us in matches.

We should have played Enrique at RB because he is quick enough to match Bale's pace and a natural full back. Skrtel could have played CB with Carra leaving Agger to play LB- a position he has played more times than Skrtel has played RB.

Kuyt should have been used on the right as he always tracks up and down the line so will be beneficial both attacking and help defend against Bale.

Downing would have been fine on the left with Agger behind him as Spurs' right side is not their strongest.

Suarez is a great player and one who works hard for the team in gaining posession and then trying to create something. However, at times, he comes very deep leaving no 'decent' player up top. (This should have been Carroll's job but refer to my earlier comment...)

Bellamy should have played with Suarez and although Bellamy is similar in Suarez's style, he should have been told to stay on the last man and wait for Suarez to create something.

Adam's first yellow should have only been a warning and not a card- once again, a refereeing decision against us.

Come on guys, people have to realise what I say makes sense- more sense than what we did do today?

Like you i've backed Carroll time and time again. His performance against Exeter was the start of the rot for me and as for today, well it was just a joke. Not being able to run with the ball at premiership level is inexcusable.

Rednapp seems to have the ability to do a tactical number on us everytime and he did it again today.

Skirtle and Henderson on the right hand side today was a crime.

Ozone

Thanks mate, glad someone agrees.

I'm just voicing my opinion, not calling for the managers head. Everyone seems to have gone loopy over this result.

All I'm saying is that our team choice today was wrong. Having said that, whatever team plays for us should play a lot better than they did. The sending offs did not help but too many players went into hiding.

We needed a player to take the game by the scruff of the neck, control things, boss the midfield and maybe scrape a draw. Not go and get another silly red and concede 3 more goals.

Hurry up back SG

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:40:19
Did spurs use more money then us last 2/3 years ? Lost 4 - 0 Means not good enough team for CL yet. no Maxi today dont know how long we going to sty with henderson? Realy cant find out why Meirles gone ? new Boss in January ? as I am sure Kenny wont continue if result like this. he is Not Hodson

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:38:48
Shocker from the team. Bad decisions from the King too. I thought we were unlucky at Stoke but today we were poor. Embarrasing scoreline won't do our confidence any good.
Our new signings lacked every quality today which was worrying

I agree the whole team were shocking. Players don't become poor overnight, Liverpool have some great players and none of them performed today? Skrtel and Adam were the worst performers and were sent off as a result. I think Liverpool need to look at how they prepare for games and the mentality. For today's performance Liverpool should, like Arsenal, reimburse the traveling fans.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:36:33
are luck has to change soon,fair enuf we started off poor.but then the ref took over.to book most players for there first tackle is a joke.then instead of having a word with the player he brings out the card AGAIN,joke. im not geting away from the fact we started poor,but with that ref we had no chance

ste liverpool

I don't think its luck, it just seems that all the refs are against us, did United buy them all or something??

Sorry Ste but got to disagree.Adam had to go.Ref aside we were very poor.Spurs wanted it more than us end of.

J.R.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:35:12
Seeing all the pundits, fans saying we've been outclassed, yes we were in a sense; but we played with 9 men, don't forget that. And we've given up after that Skrtel red card. And Spurs were only leading by 1-0 (via a magnificent strike) against 10 men for 60 mins. Even Reina gave up, he made a terrible mistake on the 3rd goal, so "fans" should we drop him too, is he s**t now?


Jack. D

Jack what worried was that against a team which played with pace even our new buys looked outclassed and out of depth.
Red Indian

Open youe eyes mate. we were smashed even b4 the first red

The players were in their own fault to get the red cards. It was not the fans fault. So this is not an excuse

U r in cloud cookoo land...wake up and smell the sh@t we r....Carrol f#cking useless again, Hendo ...progressing...Skertel is woeful, Carragher passed it. He played 2 goals onside. We will b lucky to finish in top 6 this season.
Unhappy red

Totally inept and spineless performance. sorry to single out as all bad but hendo invisible and carroll could nt trap a bag of cement. very poor form. as for skrtel, not a rb so why play him there. shocking decision kk

taffy tel

We were terrible from the start, red card/s or not .. Reina did not give up , he made a mistake and player like him is allowed a mistake or two every now and then because he has done many good saves..., having watched the reply of his mistake, the shot from defoe was very good, the ball was spinning all over and no wonder Reina dropped it, Defeo should n't have been allowed to take that shot to begin with...
Against a better team it could've easily been 6 or 7 , even before the second sending off.
I go back to what I posted last week, when Suarez is having a bad game, we loose, whats the difference from a couple of years ago except for the words Torres and Suarez.
Roy

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:35:01
"3 - Liverpool's total of just three shots v Tottenham is their lowest in a single PL game in any of the past nine seasons."

That is how bad we are.Really thought this season or maybe even the next season and could go shouting on the road on all Man Utd fans faces:yes we have finally won the title but those days seem to be far off if we don't improve considerably.
Thanks to this site where i can pour out all my frustration

Red Indian 2

Since the whole team today were so poor (no commitment; carroll + hendo + lucas + skrtel all sh*te!) should we drop the entire team and play the reserves against wolves and bitters?

SingRed

Wudnt mind playing shelvey in place of useless adam. n replace hendo with stevie. n carrol with kuyt. KK has just wasted 60 million pnds on this garbage.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:34:24
wtf ! one nil down and down to ten men with seventy minutes to go . and people writing off the whole season . get over yourselves apart from today we have played well this season

Aint about playing well its about getting 3 points u muppet

The only times we have played well is against teams who have shown to e really poor so far so get real we are rubbish and have signed rubbish.

Blind faith yet again
Don't worry we will soon play wolves or maybe a Blackburn then you can believe were contenders again
Grow up
Support yes but don't kid yourself were the new champs
Can't wait for the usual brigade to get on
Slagging us off cos we dare to say anything other than we are on our way

I'd like to see any team hold their own with 9 mine

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:32:04
18 Sep 2011 15:17:59
Adebayor and Parker bel. Carroll and Adam unbel.

I know which two I would prefer, the first combinatin, which I believe may have also saved us a few million. {Ed001's Note - Adebayor is on 180k a week, so no it wouldn't have saved anything. Some people really are incredibly naive or stupid, I am not sure which.}
........................................................

Maybe that's true Ed but after all if you pay the players wages in peanuts you get monkeys. ie Henderson, Adam an Carroll.

What happend to going threw the good and bad times with your team?it seems most ppl only get behind us in the good times.spurs were doomed the other week,now there the best thing since sliced bread.yeh we started off poor but the ref didnt help

ste liverpool

Stupid or naive, do you really think spurs pay those wages?? no they don't, city pay most of it.. {Ed001's Note - except that we didn't have the option to take Adebayor for a percentage. So try understanding that in the real world you can't have everything you want.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:31:29
fuming,asleep out there,mancs jokeing our season over before november!and will be soon if that utter crap continues,huge doubts over wisdom of carrol and hendersen buys.honeymoon over kenny!sort it!fkin woeful/disgrace

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:30:36
Enrique the only decent player today, bad performance all round.

Matty P

Not the performance of the players lad, it was the tactics and the team selection.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:30:32
sick and tired of the referees already this season - yes -we werent playing well but you expext spurs at home to have the opening 20 minutes and then you come into the game - not LFC though as the ref sends of Adam for two dubious yellows.
1st one 3 men round him gets kicked and barged off the ball comits a foul and gets yellow, very harsh IMO 2nd yellow his eyes never left the ball Parker arrives from his blind side and gets caught, free kick but no intent therefore no booking what the f**k is the referee on?
Suarez climbed all over clatterd to the floor - no free kick suarex complains and he gets booked.
hard enough in this league for a team to win away 11 against 11 let alone 12 against 11 and for the 12th man to reduce the opposition after less than half an hour to 10 men then send another off so we have 12 against 9 is it any wonder we lost.
Dalglish will go ballistic after his comments last week and then to have a referee like that today who gave us our first free kick after 40 minutes - and who can blame him.

Feruson wouldnt allow that and would make such a noise as to put pressure on the next referee to give everything his way and i expect dalglish to do the same and lets start playing on a level field

bigg2966

Yeah that and we are carp

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:34:04
Couple of comments re some of the players: -

Adam. I can see why the club bought him as he was not expensive and did show class last year in terms of passing ability etc. Needs to speed up his game and awareness to ensure he doesn't continue to get carded.

Coates. Has looked ok since he came on in difficult circumstances. I would give him a run in the side given the injuries to Agger and ban for Skertl. I just think it is unfortunate that he can't replace Carra due to above reasons.

Henderson. Seriously question what he brings to the team and when you factor in the cost, you have to say that this is looking a dubious piece of business. The best thing Kenny could do right now is take him out of the firing line for a few games and give him some reserve time to bed in, gain confidence and show what (if anything) he can bring to the squad.

Downing. Very good player let down today by others.

Suarez. Clearly frustrated all round, and who can blame him. Needs to keep his composure and focus on the next game.

Carroll. Didn't get any service today so difficult to criticise given the conditions of the game. However, I don't think he looks fit or as mobile as he should so needs to be given games. Keeping him on for the full 90 mins today may prove to be a good thing for him. He can be a real handful when given the service and I haven't seem much quality delivered to him to be honest today or historically.

Carra. Wonderful servant to LFC and for this alone he deserves respect, but I think it is clear that his best days are way behind him. No pace, no distribution skills and should now be given a gracious retirement and be replaced by Coates.

Skertl. Think he is a decent center back, why on earth is he being played out of position against one of the best left wingers in the game? I seriously question the sense of that decision. For gods sake, play specialists in their positions.....

Riena. Couple of mistakes today which for a keeper of his quality is really unusual. I guess we just need to put today down as one of those occasions. He remains one of the best keepers in the game and will prove to save us more points that he loses in the future. Just hope he regains his focus and composure.

My team for next league game (I'm not interested in the meaningless cups..):-


Carroll & Suarez

Downing, Gerrard, Lucas, Belamy

Enrique, Coates, Carragher, Flannagan (assuming Johnson/Kelly remain injured).

Riena

Lets keep the faith and support the team and the club.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:33:03
Said it b4 and say it again, Skertyl, Carra and esp lucas (this lad is too slow and has no imagination) are dump...At worst Spearing, Kuyt and bellamy shud of started..
koprock

Lol and now lucas is getting slated what is the matter with you lot !

Weren't you taking the piss at Kuyt last weekend?

SingRed

You mite of noticed i said "at the worst", ref kuyt, Lucas is the slowest player ive seen in a long time, i never rated him! at least Spearing will track back!
koprock {Ed001's Note - Spearing is the slowest player in our squad, you clearly don't understand football or watch it if you think Lucas is the slowest!}

You are Joking , Lucas? from the start he was left on his own against a very good spurs midfield, Adam decides to wonder wherever whenever , I dont think we missed him after he was sent off, and as for hendorson, what a pile of s**te, does nt know if he is coming or going, as for Carroll, well what can I say...better not.
But you are one of those 5 years old, any new toy is the best in the world and the others are old rubbish not worth anything.

Kenny wasted 50m and I think he knows it, and it really hurt an old timer like me to see his legendary status being tarnished by a second spell he probably should've turned down.
And yes I know its only 2 defeats and long way to go, but I honestly think Kenny will have to make drastic changes for this rot to stop and can only happen when he recognises that Henderson is not ready as a liverpool player against the big teams.
Roy

Ed 001, dont joke, just watch Lucas track back! {Ed001's Note - I have watched him many times, he is always working hard to get in his position and cover for others, doing the dirty work that no one else ever seems to notice. People like you, the pathetic haters need to give it up, it wouldn't matter if he beat 9 players before scoring with a chip from the half way line to win us the FA Cup, you would be moaning because he didn't pass it to Gerrard.}

I ve been watching L/pool for the last 35 yrs, dont know about you, but Lucas is slow dosent know what to do with the ball and couldnt head the ball for sh~ite.. I never rated him at all, and he prob wont beat an egg let alone 9 players, hes slow to track back and is always ball watching..L/pool didnt play good as a whole , but hes ridiculus!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:25:04
what a absolute joke of a performance,straight from the off,nothing there,who evers giving out the tactics needs to go,nearly kicked the tv in i'm so pi--ed off,there was other players who should of started today,adam to slow on the ball,hendo,enough said on him,today was worse than watching roy hodgson in charge

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:24:30
Before this and the stoke match fans were on here saying how many points we would think acceptable from these two game. Did anyone say 0 points would be good. We are a joke again this year. I do and will alway supprt the team, you have to be honest though. And we are not good enough are we. I would of taken a point today, and against a spurs nothing against stoke just simply because come the end of the season it will be spurs in 4th and not us. Lots of fans will not agree with this but KD will either quit or be asked to leave nicely by January if not by the end of the season

Totally agree
No character
No plan

Short, short memories. We've lost 5.0 and still won the league. Are you actually a supporter or just one of the whining prawn butty types? Far too many completely over the top posts here today. We were rubbish today but it's not the end if the world. KKs going nowhere. At least Caroll tried - shouldn't have been in starting line up today - nor should Hendo - wasn't their game at all. Needed to contain them first, then get clever. A lesson learned I hope.
ND

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:24:18
We need our strongest squad out against Brighton - we may just win!

This was a game we needed a result so our best and most experienced players needed to be out on that field today in their strongest positions. Spurs are in competition with us for 4th and we need to take points off them... I must admit I don't get the team today. 4-5-1 should have been played with Kuyt and Suarez up front on his own.

I think 4th is still possible - a long way to go this season lads. Don't forget that all these other teams around us have to play European games as we get into the season... We'll get stronger but thinking we've arrived is a big mistake.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:23:38
Anyone else see Parker just boot Lucas?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:23:11
We can stop the player hating now and concentrate on officials yeah?
Bean

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:21:46
We was poor today. Henderson, Reina, Carra, Carroll, Skertle were shocking. Lucas, Adam, Agger not much better.can't wait for Gerrard to come back and grab our team by the scruff of the neck to shake them into passion and desire.
Poor game today

Agger was injured after 6 mins and how can you blame reina sort you're head out.
aintree dave

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:21:31
ed001, do you think we have bought well enough with the 100m and do you think we will still finish 4th? {Ed001's Note - yes I do think we have bought well enough, it is quite clear we lack strength in depth and that our defence needs tightening up. But that would have been the same no matter how much we spent because it takes time for players to bed in together. I still think we will finish 4th, I never thought it would be easy, but I still think we will get it as we will get stronger.}

Good positive attitude Ed ! I also think we will get 4th. When our players gel together we will be a better team and I have no doubt we will be challenging for the top 4 spot ! Although we are a tad bit lucky Arsenal have had a bad start !
Cheers mate :)
IrishRed.

Ed not one of our summer signings looks outanding bar enrique. i understand it takes time but for the real classplayers it doesnt. how long has fabregas taken at barca, aguero young nasri. we have over spent its criminal the team we have after the amiunt we ha e spent. compare our spendibg wih spurss.. el p {Ed001's Note - it is easy to slot into a team like those, we were a team that would have been relegated but for the return of the King. You can't compare the situations at all.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:20:50
Liverpool fan for thirty years wot a shambles.Few weeks ago i posted that the players we had bought were only average and i take no pleasure from looking as though i'm going to be proved right.I also posted that i thought Henderson would prove to be a great player and i stand by that although he has been poor today.Carroll what a waste of 35 mil.We shuold have tried for Aguero don't care what his wages would have been.If we carry on like this Suarez will be off in August.

J.R.

Agree ,said it before myself if we dont DRASTICALLY improve QUICKLY how long do you think suarez will stay? kingkennykop7

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:30:08
Can we stop with the top 4 s##t now if we continue to play like that we will be lucky to get top 6 I'm just glad we didn't play man City today

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:29:21
Disappointing scoreline 2day. We didnt lack effort. I think we have a really good group of players and manager. Just all need to stick 2gether and we will come good as its a long season. Still think we can get top four. Kenny still learning about his players. We will smash them at home.

Its more important to support them rather than slag them off. Ref really cost us the points today. He sent adam off even before he made the tackle. He was looking to book our players and make decisions against us all afternoon. We will come good just needs everybody support.

Mighty Reds.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:29:13
Actually I wasn't this upset about this loss. I was more upset about the loss to Stoke. Spuds at least played good football, and I hold my hand saying we lost to a better side. We were outplayed everywhere

SingRed

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:28:57
WTF why didn't flanno play rb, kuyt rw we have already dropped 8 points not a happy red today!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:28:30
Another man of the match performance from the referee. Changed the game single handedly! AGAIN.
Duckula

Grow up man
We were shocking
What's up with you ?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:28:18
want answers kenny,not smart comments.that was f n shocking!do they know what a red shirt means?why did we start so crap?whys carra passing back to reina,putting him under so early?whys bellamy,not starting?why persevere with carrol?this aint knee jerk,that was a disgrace to lfc name.ref card happy or not!post this!!livid

 

 

18 sep 2011 15:26:49
on the bright side i have adebayor on my fatasy league team

Don't no time for jokes

Why not other wise u would cry

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:26:09
rumour has it we had a strong and complete team hope that p155 poor performance makes them change their mind.
stuart

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:25:51
When you walk through the storm hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark . Nowhere does it say whinge like a bitch

Kiss the badge YNWA

Dont be dellusional, we are s*** at the moment, i got faith we can get 4th but some of our players are not good enough FACT !

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:25:47
Wonder what happened at the meeting with Mike Riley because it seems to have had the adverse effect?

KernowRed

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:19:49
i need a drink! how far away from fitness are kelly and johnson lads? i need to wipe this game from my mind,we will be back please no panic attacks these things happen,happened to them not so long ago don't forget,
our luck has to change it just has to law of averages and that means were due it in spades so chin up time big time lads.
aintree dave

Luck? mate there was no luck there it was deserved. botb cards were red. we were awful no point blaming the ref or luck. our tactis were shocking.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:19:29
Alot of fans will be screaming hell after this one. I know there are the few who will say "support the team or get off this page". I think we should call it like we see it. My take:

Carragher: Same story for 4 years now. Not worth pointing out again.
Skrtel: Anyone who couldn't see this being a problem (covering Bale) is surely insane or ignorant.
Adam: He should start against the promoted teams and in Carling/FA Cup. Nothing more.
Henderson: Long way from being the real deal.
Suarez: I can only pray he doesn't leave in January. Ditto for Reina.

Must be difficult for Reina. He started the season with hope when he easily could have left. All the talk of "the liverpool way", "bring back pride", "kenny's got it right". I feel sorry for the lad.

He plays for Liverpool and gets fantastic support and wages.. How can you feel sorry for him you d&ck?
How disrespectful to Liverpool can you get. Obviously your a bitter blue or a manc. Get back to your own club page you idiot

Not at all. Liverpool through and through. Last year there was talk of Reina leaving but he stuck with the team. Look at his face today. He is too good not to be in CL. Nice name calling though. Your mummy teach you that one? Get off the banter and get back to your homework.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:18:57
Exactly the reason why i think we bought british players this summer so we didnt get inconsistent performances like this.So there's that idea down the swanny not one player in my oppinion can honestly say he has done his job.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:18:55
only player trying his best is lucas carroll looks like hes given up along with most of the team. Complete disgrace and a complete waste of money.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:18:39
I'm sorry KK but that was a total tactical error. Needed Lucas and Spearing together in the middle, Flanno at the back and Kuyt to run, run, run. Every time he's been left out we've struggled. When I saw the team I genuinely though - we'll struggle with that line up here. Totally underestated spurs. We'll have better days this season. Shame about Agger but Coates did ok. Think positive lol.
ND

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:18:30
Assy-Kota (s-hite hair guy) on Suarez

Bale on Reina (elbowing him in the head)

Kaboul in the 75th minute on what looked like Carroll

Kaboul for dissent (Suarez free kick)

Other I am forgetting

All yellow card worthy and all didn't even cause the ref to flinch and even think about moving towards his pocket. Bloody outrageous if you ask me. Obviously it is no excuse for our performance, but how can you try and play well when every time you touch them you run the risk of a yellow card. A ref has got to be fair and in my mind, he has only seeing red, in more ways than one, when it came to challenges. I'll leave it at that.

We didn't lose due to the ref but it was one of the worst performances by a referee I have ever seen. Should have remained 11 v 11 not a dirty game by any means I'm seriously thinking of giving up on football until the referees are sorted out

Your forgetting parkers hand ball if this was against us we would get booked

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:18:15
today has shown that Spurs squad is far better than ours-bottom line don't waste money on average players (Adam/Hendo)- buy quality instead.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:17:59
Adebayor and Parker bel. Carroll and Adam unbel.

I know which two I would prefer, the first combinatin, which I believe may have also saved us a few million. {Ed001's Note - Adebayor is on 180k a week, so no it wouldn't have saved anything. Some people really are incredibly naive or stupid, I am not sure which.}

Ed spurs are not paying 180000 a week to him. they can't afford that

Its his opinion Ed001...and everyone is entitled to his opinion...isn't that what this forum is for?? looks like defeat by 4 goals is a hard thing to swallow...

md_goa {Ed001's Note - his opinion is not borne out by the facts, end of story. So no this is not a forum for spouting nonsense. Adebayor was not available to Liverpool at a percentage of his wages, like he was to Spurs.}

Ed talking tosh mate man city are paying more than half his wages.. {Ed001's Note - which they wouldn't do if we had him. So I am not talking tosh, I just live in the real world. Bellamy had to force his way to us, Adebayor was never going to do that, he wanted to make sure he kept his enormous pay packet.}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:17:34
lucas is the only one who can take any credit today. We need to start to play a natural RB. Just a bad day overall. We be ok though.

Chi-Paul

Abject performance from the start. Totally unprofessional. No energy, no skill. No teamwork or gameplan.
Whats going on Kenny ??

Lucas was rubbish

His touch has got better, tackling better but still so slow an uncreative. But alas, what else do we have.

No he wasn't. He didnt have a great game but who did. Wrong tactics. Wrong selection. Great game from spuds.
ND

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:16:59
I think it's fair to say that every team in England regardless of wot league they play in will be looking at this game and thinking we could better! We have brighton next, and after this performance, don't fancy our chances against then either!

King Dong YNWA

I dont fancy you commenting here either after the Brighton game. (Not even after the end of the season.)

Jack D.

Stop slagging lucas. KK's gameplan was rubbish. Harry had kk in his pocket. Wish rafa had been coach for this match. N for heavens sake what f**k is charlie adam? hard to believe he is a footballer. he walks,passes n runs like a frog. Hendo is crap as well, so is carrol. Well done kk. We got past a poor arsenal side n then battered by spurs.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:16:50
Kenny's pre match team talk MUST have been, let's stand still.lay off and admire

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:16:22
where is Henderson where has he been all game?

Right back because the skrtel got himself sent off
Stop the player hating now I can't stand any more s**t like this we play as a team and lose as a team don't single players out for criticism when they had no control of spuds 12th man mike jones and his completely outrageous game

Stop the ref hating. Makes us look like little girls you @ss. Get over it, we were crap on the day. We were the away team so decisions will go against us, happens week in week out.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:16:12
This game is not lost because of team.kenny is solely responsible.his poor tactics has cost us game.
Even my mother would have been clever enough to not to play adam behind carrol in awful system.

We all could see that adam n skertel will get sent off but not kenny.
I swear on my family both times I was just writting my post of players getting send off when actually they did.

Last week I thought kenny gave excuses let's see what is the excuse this week.
Those idiots who were claiming we will win title or just walk onto top 4 must wake up.
Lots of hard work is neded.trust me owners want champions league and if kenny fails with that like any other manger he will be asked to leave.he has spent the money on players.he will be judged on results not on just performances.
Red indian {Ed001's Note - are you taking the michael? Anyone could see that could they? What a load of bull! I bet you were whining when we went 3 at the back under him last season as well. Sometimes tactical switches work, sometimes they don't, but your comments are embarrassing. If you know so much go and get your coaching badges and prove yourself.}

Not gonna knock Kenny, but I think quite a few could see Adam & Skertel getting sent off before it happened....

Wow we were hammered today.

ED001 respectfully we both agree to disagree on this topic.
Kenny has bought these players hand on heart do you see him knowing how to fire up Carrol.
You will read my previous post and see I have always stood by our players but I will say things as it is.
LFC is bigger then Kenny.
My point was before we go on about players and ref. Realize that the manager got it wrong.

Red Indian {Ed001's Note - you have done nothing but whine all day, how is that standing by our players???}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:14:22
Lots of jerking knees on here today. One very poor performance and the season's over? I just hope the players don't react in the same way as some of the 'fans' on here or it really will be.

We've played badly, yes, but there are 33 games left in the league: we'll hopefully learn from this and move on.

Mr Benn

Let's face it some of our players are still gelling and it's going to take time, injuries and sending offs don't help, it might get a little worse before getting better but we will still fulfill our objectives this year.

KernowRed

How can you disagree with that statement if you are a supporter?
aintree dave

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:13:48
Skyrtel and Adam suspended for next 3 games , Kelly and Johnson and agger injured.

Isn't 2 yellows just 1 game ban?

Only 1 match ban mate, 2 yellows.

straight red is 3 games

Neither red was for violent contact - both were for two yellows so the bans should just be for one match, I think? {Ed001's Note - two yellows = 1 match ban.}

Not straight red; both were 2 yellows so 1 game suspension.

SingRed

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:12:52
Ed001, what have you thought of the match and liverpools season so far, i haven't been able to watch the match today but it sounds bad, are we really in a bad way? {Ed001's Note - we had a terrible day at the office, Spurs got at us from the beginning and got a goal and we never recovered. But the rest of the season has been decent, we haven't always got the result we deserved, but we haven't played that badly until today. I think people need to remember it is one game, sometimes it just doesn't work out. I remember Hercules outplaying Barca at the beginning of last season too, it happens. What matters is that our players learn from this result and don't play this badly again.}

Ed I hope you are not comparing us to Barca : ) {Ed001's Note - not in the slightest, I was pointing out that even the best teams, and they are currently the best, have off days.}

Good shout ed , but going down to 10 men so early never gave us the chance to recover .

ED, whosee squad is better liverpols or tottenham? who is main rival forf 4th? this is a massive hit to our season.. we look light years behind champions lgee. {Ed001's Note - squad wise their's is better, Redknapp has had time to build a squad, Kenny has had two transfer windows with a bunch of players desperate to get out that had to be replaced. They should be our main rivals for 4th, though Arsenal will play better than they have been.}

After 40 years supporting Liverpool, I have finally given up on ever seeing Liverpool winning the premiership. Disgraceful performace all round.

To add to the Eds argument: Barca were criticised this week after drawing 2-2 with both Sociedad and Milan. That's how football works but one or two games do not make a season.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:12:46
Not that it matters in terms of the result of the game, but why hasn't Sky shown whether Defoe's goal was offside? It very much looked offside to me but they haven't even mentioned it!

Are you surprised? A match analysis crew with Mr Ratboy in it isn't that unbiased either. It's Sky, get used to it.

Sky are a biased Liverpool hating company always have and will be I'd be quite happy if we were never on sky again can't stand the coverage

Why blame sky?
We were the clowns today
Off day my axxrse !

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:12:21
Joke. It worked last year with no pressure on KD. We were low in the prem going know where. It started for real this time. We are not good enough

Last season we would have lost to Arsenal and drawn at home with Bolton - these things happen.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:12:14
I am a Liverpool fan, which has been difficult for the past 5 years. Always so much media-hype to start the season. This game feels very much like the loss at Fulham 2 seasons ago that heralded our demise. Thought this was our comeback? It is only one game, but anyone who watches premier league can sense where we stand after watching this one. We are not anywhere remotely close to Man U, Man C, Chelsea, and apparently not Tottenham. We will fight for 5th with Arsenal.

Oh yea of little faith.
aintree dave

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:11:45
To all you blind faithers
We will win the odd big match
Lose most away again
And finish sixth if lucky
I am a fan but a realist I think that's still allowed
What is the use of playing hoof and sit back
Then the usual lunge in ?
Convince yourselves that it's an off day and jeep shouting
Ynwa blindly but get some realism into your blind faith
Love kenny fine love the team great but stop the crap about a new era will you it's embarrassing as s fan. ANC fit the first time KK s tactics really look naive
I love em too bit have always said don't build em up
And make them out to be the new beginning
Accept that they are still average
Too much talk
Nit enough character
Man u could never have folded
Convince yourselves I'm a blue nose or amanc if it helps you feel better
Red for thirty years
Embarrassed for 20 !

Never a truer word spoken

Maybe embarrassed for 19 years 2005 wasn't bad

To true , just because we want our players to be good when we take the rose tinted glasses off we should all know that carrol , henderson and adam are very poor and we will suffer because of this , and we dive in and waste money on ordinary players.
ps kenny do not say any thing about the ref this week just look what happened the very next chance they had to prove a point.
and finally where is the spirit in the team, the current side do not have the hearts of true reds.
i want us to suceed but hey do not shout at me for saying how it is.
lets hope kenny can have the guts to drop henderson etc and prove to the players who are picked that to play for liverpool means you have to earn your big wage.
red mick tag.

Didn't we have two champions league finals in that decade and finish second in the league as well.

Couldn't agree more, kills me

Embarrassed for 20 years?! two champions league finals one win, FA Cups, Uefa cups, league cups, super cup.... You're the embarrassemnt fella

Cups cups cups
We used to laugh at the mancs for never winning the league and just the odd cup
Yeah we won CL it was great but the mark of a team is their league
We were quick to teas mancs when the second best team in England beat the second best in Germany . If your 15 and happy with how we are then fine don't be embarrassed but I am . You're the embarrassment on about cups fella !

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:10:12
I really hope Kenny will learn from this game. Why on earth play Skrtel out of position when we have Flano and Robinson in the squad.

Also I dont care what anyone says- Henderson did not contribute one iota to the game- why did he not go with Kuyt or Bellamy on one side.

come on Kenny you know you can do better!!

Thank God Stevie G's on his way back- at least Adam and Hendo wont be playing.

Doubt if Flanno would fare better against Bale. Henderson had to protect Skrtel, that's why he did not go forward.

Don't blame the ref, don't blame Carroll, who had no service from midfield... We never recovered from loss of Agger + the sending off of Adam. This loss was on the cards. We were poor everywhere. Period

SingRed

SingRed

 

 

18 sep 2011 15:10:11
not started, didn't turn up, abysmal,haven't got a clue,can't tackle,don't close down,no pattern,no fight,top 4 don't make me f----n laugh,we are a pile of s---e,35 mill for carroll,16 for hendo wot a joke,worst performance i've seen in the last 20 years,we just sit back and let the other teams do what they want to do why can't we attack,pass the ball forward and to each other instaed of watching them do it,absolute f----n disgrace,wouldn't mind betting come jan reina+suarez will want to leave and who can blame them

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:09:21
Wonder what John Henry is thinking now? 100 million spent. Team in absolute shambles. The Kenny Dalglish experiement will be done come January.

He's probable being level headed since he's a good businessman. I don't he squeals like a girl every time something doesn't go his way

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:08:38
Now, all of you idiots who said we made good buys!!!!!
Adam: when he got the first yellow I knew he was going. To think we sold Raul for this clown.

Henderson: Not tracking Modric for first goal.

Downing: Who?

Spurs had a good buy in that ref. {Ed001's Note - Meireles going was nothing to do with Adam coming in.}

Meireles going had everything to do with Adam coming in. He wanted to go and we were willing to let him leave because we'd signed Adam and Henderson

I see you tactically left out Enrique, who works his socks off and has been one of our best players today (doesn't mean much though).

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:07:21
Not looking forward to the Brighton game at this rate....

KernowRed

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:06:47
kk can't get anything out of carroll or henderson a complete waste of money. people might say we bought for the future. it's not the future we need them its now. I'm starting to worry if kk has what it takes to bring us any closer than the last 3 managers did. Everton might finish above us at this rate

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:06:25
Wonder who the next Red card is goona be. Would have said Suarez, but he is off. Maybe Carroll?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:05:04
Kenny with shockingtactics. im sick and tired of thenumpties justifying the fees we paid for henderson and carrol. they are at best mid table players. they look good againsg bolton. tottenham have modric and parker with sandro in reserve. who do we have lucas and adam. commoli and kenny have a lot to answer for if we dont get champs lge. what a joke and off all te fans saying ii dont support the team im at whl with the away fans. this is as bad as we wee under woy. wtf was kenny doin playin two up today.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:03:40
16 million for Henderson Scott Parker had him in his pocket all day and he only cost 6 million

Parkers 30 odd Henderson 22 think before you come out with stupid comments
TIZER RED

Its taken parker till hes 30 to establish himself never made it at chelsea when he had his big chance , stupid comparison

We need good performing players now and I wud have Parker over Henderson any day. Henderson is like a box of chocolates u never know what u will get

Stop saying about age, we need players now, id take parker over henderson right now, and buy someone else 2-3 years down the road.

If Liverpool had signed Parker you'd still be moaning

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:02:55
Really just not up for it today. Skrtel sent off. Just not our day. We all knew that the matches against Stoke and Spuds would show our true strength and it might have done.

Season Analysis:
1st Match(Sunderland)-2nd half was like we forgot there was a match going on
2nd Match(Arsenal)-Good win against a weak Arsenal side in complete turmoil
3rd Match(Bolton)-We played well but they gifted us the match
4th Match(Stoke)-Played well but if u don't win no 1 is going to remember about a match we played well but didn't win due to bad luck at the end of the season
5th Match(Spuds)-Just doesn't look like we have showed up for the match

Jordan Henderson-At start of season thought he was a very good buy but he has to be consistent.
Charlie Adam-Has to stop trying to be Alonso by always trying 60 yards passes
and today's 1st yellow was like wtf.
Andy Carroll-Give the lad time,SHOULD come good.
Luis Suarez-Looks frustrated.
Downing-Plays well for 2 games then vanishes for the next and then again comes back.
Coates-Looks a good prospect.
Enrique-Stable

Referees-They are blind.

Red Indian 2

Good post. We shouldn't press the panic button yet. Before this game, we have played some of the best football in the league. However, as mentioned in my many earlier posts, selling Meireles and getting rid of Aqualani is probably going to come and bite KK in the arse. We are too dependant on Adams now. If he has a bad game, there is no one to take over from him. I know a lot of peope are saying that Gerrard will come back and things will be alright. I seriously doubt it, he is past his best and unlikely to play the role that Aqua or Merieles could have. I am a big big fan of KK but getting rid of two of the best midfielders in the world is a serious offence.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:02:41
YES!! We got a corner!

Bout time we got somethin

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:01:19
Think this may be the last time I visit this site for a few days as the I'm sure the negativity will be intense following this result.

Just remember though that Spurs lost 3-0 to Man U and 5-1 to Man C and have recovered because their fans continued to support them!

JRG

Go on thee wensite and see how much that supported threre team. they been calling for harrys head you muppet

You are looking at this the wrong way. What do you think Man U and Man C are going to do to us?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:00:45
In KK we trust? Well I have lost some trust after this performance....and he hasn't seen fit to make any changes! The whole team is performing like sh*te but Henderson has most def been the worst of a bad bunch!!

What a laughing stock we are! As u can tell, I am not happy! Top 4? After that performance, mid table is bout as good as we gona get!

King Dong YNWA

Absolutely hopeless...we started so poorly. No tactics and no game strategy. Dire is too mild a word.

Lads i don't think we will play this poor every game. we need to stay positive and support the team. we're on an unlucky streak at the moment. if we loose mid week, then let's worry. remember we are still above spurs. after a win mid week we will hopefully go on a winning streak. let's stay positive.
tizer red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:00:42
liverpool fc will not win another game with old man carra at the back....to all who defend him,your blind

Is that a bet?if so put your money where your mouth is and grow a pair

King luis

Carra is not the weak link so back off.he was one of few who had decent game along with enrique and lucas

First five mins,carra out of position,trying to cover other players positions,that there already in,leaving a hole,were he should be...watch the match lad,its there for you to see...that should of been the first goal.what was you watching...??

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:00:30
gash !!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 15:00:02
i can't believe kk still hasn't made a change. this is total crap. i'm off to look at the all ireland. at least there will be more passion from 2 teams not even getting paid.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:59:53
fire skrtel and charlie before we end up in championship or worse

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:59:37
It's gona be 10 at this rate

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:58:40
Skrtel is useless why us he still there?

Agger injured again what a surprise!

Shocking performance like watching a league 1 side !

Looks like Agger's injury to his ribs - not sure, maybe someone will have more detail. If it is, it's unfortunate but anyone could get an injury like that, so you're being a bit unfair.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:58:38
Skrtel sent off, Defoe scores

Keith YNWA

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:58:35
Before everyone gets on about Skrtel being sent off and the ref going after our players, if you have watched they were all fouls and very much worth the cards. Skertel and Adam were going to get sent off just because of all their rash cahallenges. Play football!!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:57:56
Game over , we were poor today, but we will bounce back

Ghandi Floss

Positivity is good but I think its a reality check most of the gushers and kenny is the messiah brigade need. We aren't good enough. That's the bottom line.

This was suppose to be our bounce back game after the poor loss to Stoke, just sayin

Spot on

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:57:41
If i were in england right now,id have trouble not causing that disgrace of a ref bodily harm. Skrtel off as well for a challenge with minimal contact. And defoe just scored. Lets just keep the scoreline low guys.
Capetownred

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:56:38
As i said on here to some poster the other day. bale is unplayerble on his day. Well he has not had a great day and he has got 2 players sent off. Think it was johnstone or somthing like that

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:54:40
Take skertel off kenny he looke nailed on next one to get red card.

Red indian

Nah.. you posted that after the tackle.. just like you did with Adam.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:54:29
Why has no-one commented on how poor Suarez has been today?

He has had no chance he has had no service.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:54:07
did you see that carp from suarez. someone should give him a good kicking for that and the most obvious thing in the whole game happens skrtel gets red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:53:59
This is just shocking

Ghandi Floss

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:51:46
What a disgraceful performance by Liverpool, I'm actually embarrassed. No desire to win anything. U also have to judge KK's judgement for not making any changes for the start of the second half, I would have taken Carroll and Henderson off straight away cos both have been s**te, hendo more than anyone else. Bellamy and kuyt should have started over those two!

King Dong YNWA

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:51:01
theres no point in picking 1 or 2 players for criticism because none of them have shown up today.

wexford red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:48:58
Can't watch the game but just been on bbc - up to 54 mins it say's we've had no attempts, nothing on targert and no corners.

Wow, is tha that a 100 million buys you today?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:45:49
Should we get used to decisions from officials like this every week because if so we should not bother playing we have had one free kick in this match and countless yellow cards

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:44:18
OMFG! Did Carroll just do some stepovers?!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:40:09
Common boys we all are behind you.stand up for the shirt.

Red indian

Mate that team aint playing for the shirt.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:37:56
that reality check really hurt no midfield ( Adam and Henderson outclassed)Carroll useless thats 3 players a total waste of money.The only points we have got so far have been against teams who have beeen totally useless so far this season. The Kenny factor appears to have run its course no Europe for us next year.

Carroll useless ? you need a reality check hes workin his nuts off

I could run around like a lame horse achieving nothing but what good is that

How could a lame horse run around?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:36:37
Livid,don't close down,don't attack,A
LWAYS PASSING BACK,we haven't got a F----N CLUE

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:36:24
Very poor from Liverpool, just too slow. Kenny has made a mistake with Skirtel but to be honest what other options did he have. I agree Hendo off Kuyt on as will offer better cover. Bellamy for Carroll 15 mins to go and maybe grab a point

Coates cb agger left back. He had options, he just did not use them. Tacticaly all wrong. Out classed all over the pitch. 4th? no no no. 5th 6th Maybe

Flanagan, who is actually a RB?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:36:21
This is a simple game gents.....You needs specialists in all positions, so for me the key questions are: -

1. Why is Skyrtl at right back when we have a specialist right back with pace (Flannagan) available who has done very well?

2. As far as I understand Henderson is a cental midfield player so why is he playing right midfield, especially when he has never impressed in that position as far as I know? I really can't recall him touching the ball, let alone make a positive contribution to the game.

In addition to the obvious positional and contribution issues we have seen from these two players in the first half, I also believe it is clear that Carragher is way past his best and we definitely lack flair and pace in key areas.

Come of Kenny, be brave enough to play specialist players in their players, not round pegs in square holes.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:35:41
You can never write-off liverpool!
We're still in this. Good team talk needed
and get the lads out firing Kenny.
Need some changes. Hopefully hendo
off. Parker is key problem in mid to sort.

Come on lads!

REdAce.

Can't believe Carroll still on with 10 men!We eff have 9 then!! Bring on Spearing to halt them killing us in CM! Leave Suarez upfront and maybe he can make something happen.

Well Carroll is actually dropping back and helping the defence. Maybe you would know that if you watched the match instead of just passing judgement on Carroll without knowing what you are talking about.

Everytime I see Carroll he is on his @ss getting knocked over by a player half his size. What match are you watching?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:35:39
Kenny needs to have a good luck in the mirror today and if he's honest he can't blame the red this time. The decision to start with Skirtle was very poor resulting in a very unbalanced team, skirtle did well last week as a emergency back up against land of the giants Stoke but Spurs are different gravy.
Bad call Kenny.

Who would you put as right back? coates....never played in england, Kelly-Johnson.....injured, Flanno....too inexperianced for bale, Carra just as slow., So what would you do for right back then? -McMenemy

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:34:13
Hmmm. I wonder just how long kenny's dream of an all english liverpool will last. Hendo, was he even on the pitch? Carroll, don't get me going. And Adam, fark me has to be the worst centre mid ever to play for LFC. Top 4, ha. We'll be lucky with a top 8 finish. Keep buying british KK, if were lucky we will win the league, in the chamionship...

You're basing your opinion on Adam on how many games? 4 and a bit?

I'd like to think sensible fans - one of which you're obviously not - will give players a bit longer to bed in and prove their worth. More importantly, Kenny will too, or do you want him out too?

Please answer this last question. {Ed001's Note - why are you wasting your time answering this post from a guy who is clearly clueless? Talking about a dream of an all-English Liverpool, when Adam is Scottish and Suarez is Uruguayan!}

Clearly a manc on our site again.you know f*** all about football mate

Maybe Kenny showed Nando his transfer target list just before he left....

Pretty sure charlie adam is scottish.

Brisc93

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:34:05
The games at the Top are that tight you can't afford any weak links. Spurs don't look like they have any?
Could be we are making it look that way.
Where we have 3 glaring weak links. Carra,Skyrtle and Carroll.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:29:37
Forget the second yellow of Adam's; how's the first one a yellow, I have no idea?! Once again decisions after decisions going against us. We shouldn't show up for the second-half just to protest!

Jack D.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:29:00
Skyrtle and Carra = disaster! Woeful and not just in this game!
Just not good enough.
We need pace as an outlet in the 2nd half.
Carroll out Bellamy in.
kidmillions

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:27:16
The match isnt over yet! i know its hard but keep the faith reds

Ghandi Floss

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:27:13
Not a great first half but we have the quality to turn it around. Adam was never a sending off. Parker got him sent off. We are playing 12 against 10 here. Ref as really cost us so far. But we can still turn it around. Carra playing really well been our best player. Cant believe the negativity from people on here. GET BEHIND YOUR TEAM. If not support somebody else.

Mighty reds

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:27:06
One more thing,this ref and his linesman are complete and utter a**holes. Everytime a spurs player goes down he flashes a yellow. Its not helping the game at all. I believe we can win this game,cause we've only really pressured them once and scored.
Capetownred

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:26:59
Whats wrong with that Ref? given as many yellows as Carrol has given balls away!...seriously though has his wife just left him or something, he is ruining the game.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:26:47
Suarez yellow card? Ref's a joke!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:25:57
for gods sake guys ,get behind your team constantly slagging them all off . got a tough task ahead of us now not a good first half and gonna be tough 45 now but we can do it ,COME ON YOU REDS

TRUE RED

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:33:34
And I am getting sick of these "moaners"; not fans. And the away fans are getting embarrassing. Arsenal fans made more noises when they were losing 8-2 than our fans at the Lane today. Shame. Not The Liverpool Way!

Jack D.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:32:51
what a disgusting performance, skyrtel should never have started on the right, charlie adam has been poor recently and should never have started, carragher should never have started.now we need to change carroll for bellamy and play 4 in the back, 4 in midfield and suarez up top with bellamy and downing in support. RedTurk

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:32:37
Keep believing,it's not over yet,there may be another twist.ynwa

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:32:35
Vintage stuff from Adam. Scottish Alonso? I agree. He is Scottish Alonso. When was the last time Scotland could walk on the same field as Spain?

About a year ago when they narrowly lost 3-2 at Hampden.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:32:15
Come on, we're man down, goal down, and everyone's giving up? What happened to the Istanbul spirit? On a side note I would like to see Carroll off and Kuyt on, so that he can protect Skrtel from Bale and to free Henderson to go back into the middle. It's a mistake to start 2 up front, should have played 5 in midfield.

Keith YNWA

I like your spirit, however, if we only lose 3 - 0 I will consider it a victory. We look lost. truth be told, Tottenham are leagues beyond us.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:32:00
Shows how a team with pace can cause a slow team like us problems. As quite a few have been saying for ages, we have too little pace in our team. Spuds are running past us at will and we can't pass out of our own half, everything back to Reina.

Surely Skrtel was always going to have a mare against Bale's pace. I would have even preferred Flanno to play if Kelly isnt ready as Flanno has pace. Lucas & Adam in CM are way to slow together and Modric running circles around them. Guess Modric would never get into our team as he is too lightweight....

And finally, Carroll is an ox and will never fit into our team. Telling you. He has absolutely no ball playing ability. Its actually pathetic seeing him drop deep to try fit into play. I feel bad for him.

Also sad to see the players all shouting at each other. Didn't look happy campers from the start.

Oh well, lets see what happens second half.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:31:44
Glad to see that KK's chat with Mike Riley has worked! The referee has been a disgrace today - he has lost control of this match, booking any Liverpool player that blinks. How can you book Adam for his first foul after 3-minutes! Surely you just need to have a word? Looked like Coates won the ball for his card as well.

As for our players - complete lack of confidence. Nothing like the last few performances. I'm sure the amount of criticism from their own fans is not helping. 1-0 down after 5-minutes and people calling for Carroll and Henderson to be substituted! C'mon lets get behind them.

JRG

Time for us to show some serious disrespect now who cares about what others think tell the ref of how he should be treated, like s**t rather than god like

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:31:22
It is surely a sign how worried other teams fans are of liverpool this year that they feel the need to come on this page and comment whenever we are unlucky or have had a bad half of football.
Keep your comments coming...its a long season.
Paul Mc

Not at all. If you, as a liverpool fan, as I am, can sit and watch this and not feel like vomiting.....c'mon! Ofcourse the season will get better. How can I get any worse than this?

Sh*t that was bad though! Worse half I have seen by a LFC team in years. And it is not like we knew Spuds would attack us and use the pace in their team.....

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:30:43
It's no good kenny standing there with a face like a smacked arse he picked the team. Yes the refs card happy but we have been terrible, if it's not working change the team. Most one sided first half iv seen since since Kennys return. There is no way we will end up with 10 men today, no discipline what so ever.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:30:16
Hmmm. Pressure about to start mounting. You follow this one with a tie or loss and we will all be calling for Dalglish's head. Stevie G will be expected to rescue Liverpool just like every other season. surely he must feel aggrieved that 100 million spent and he is basically on the same caliber team he left in march.

Live by the sword die by the sword. 90% have questioned the signings as not being good enough (although on about 60% openly admit it).

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:29:56
as a liverpool fan we have blind faith .. and Love Kenny but that is a worse performance thany anything under hodgson and he has got it so wrong

the team that finished against stoke should have started henderson need to start from the bench

tactical Naive center back against Bale...

flanaghan has made one mistake dropped carragher always making them

as for Adam ....? shocking tackle on a yellow card

K.O.B

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:29:47
So Liverpool FC and Kenny Dalglish conduct themselves in a correct way when addressing refereeing issues and get treated like this in the opening 45 minutes of their next game..

Genius..

Alfie

You will concede cards when you a yard off the opposition pace wise always making desp tackles.

There was never a yellow card in the whole game for either team. The game was over after 20 minutes. Now.. When you are travelling hundreds of miles every week at great expense in these hard times you expect to be entertained and watch your sport and your team. Sadly this will never happen when fifa, uefa and the fa have control. They are all proved to have left trails of corruption without any comebacks.. It was our turn again this week but next week it will be Tottenhams or a Wigans turn etc etc..

The clubs and the fans are far more powerful than suits who run the game and referees who would be trainspotting if their was no such sport as football..

Alfie

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:25:07
Soon enough you will all realize it isn't this player or that player.....your god-hero KD did not pick a team to compete with Spurs. Skrtel vs. Bale? That was never going to be close. Why sit Carroll vs. Stoke, and play against Tottenham when we knew Tottenham would have all possession?

Wondering the same thing myself.

Who would you put against bale then?
aintree dave

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:25:05
I dont care what anyone else thinks Carroll is the best player for liverpool so far. Looking much more mobile, however not that hard to be the best player for liverpool today.
KiwiRed.

You are a clown

Chris in Tamworth

Agree, however, Tottenham way to fast for Carroll to be useful. I would have started him vs. Stoke and Kuyt/Bellamy vs. Tottenham. Season is already looking long and painful.

Totally agree hes giving everything out there today , but i expect some of our so called supporters will still find something to slag him off about

Im the clown Chris? Really? When Suarez has offered far less than Carroll and got himself booked and absolutely nothing is said about how he plays. Just 'oh suarez must be annoyed'. I think you Chris are struggling to comprehend anything other than the name instead of actually watching the match.
KiwiRed.

If you think Carroll has been our best player then you are quite simply a clown who knows nothing about forward play. I don't even think Jonson6, who is a huge supporter of Carroll, would suggest he had been our best player. Have a look through the amount of posts asking for Carroll to be replaced and it may dawn on you eventually that you've got it wrong.

Chris in Tamworth

Did you actually watch the match Chris? Because if you did you would realise that Andy Carroll was sacraficed from the striker to play left wing. Now not being the most technically gifted player I felt that he was very good and gave everything as opposed to suarez who winged all day and got booked. Look, one thing we can both agree on is that it was a very poor performance today, I just thought that the silver lining was Andy is looking much better. Or am I not allowed to formulate my own opinion and should I just read through the posts from other people as you suggest.
KiwiRed.

Carroll can hold his head up today; did his best in an unfamiliar role. Kiwi is right - Chris, watch the match again when we were down to 9 men and then comment.

BTW don't call people clowns just because their opinions differ from yours. See it from their perspective and you might learn something. SingRed

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:24:07
Think I've sussed the way it works.
If you have got the nerve to wear a red shirt, you get a yellow card.

CJW007

Lol stop crying your players are thugs. clear second yellow for adam, could have even been a straight red. Suarez should be sent off by now, if that elbow to parkers neck was picked up, you guys would be even more f*cked. suarez got his yellow for ARROGANCE, you dont deserve to have arrogance when in such a s**t team.

Boo hoo if you didn't kick lumps out of players you wouldn't get cards

Must be a referee conspiracy AGAIN jeez you sad sac

Pardoe

Stop crying, you cant hack the game of football so as you guys so call him KING kenny crys to fa about unfairness, how about open your eyes and see the discipline your team lacks. And what did you expect from Adam? You signed him from Blackpool had a wonder season and you guys think he's god's gift. GIVE IT A BREAK AND ACCEPT THE GAME

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:22:50
your players are a f*cking disgrace, charlie adam is just a unco-ordinated thug. As for Suarez, ill leave that guy to his own devices, starts crying after ref yellow cards him cos of his arrogance? like you guys are sayin 4th spot is a pipedream for you guys, im pretty sure arsenal will beat you to it!

Haha ur funny but ur a clown aswell.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:20:20
Adam hasn't looked the same player since his Scotland match poor performances and lack of effort in all games- looked destined for a red from the first min

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:19:19
i hope we can get a draw it would feel like a victory having 10 men
aintree dave

If you can get anything out of this game it will be fantastic tbh

Pardoe

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:19:03
Shocking 1st half. Carrol has offered nothing up front. Bring bellamy or kuyt on please! Skrtel has been horrific and you have to feel for coates playing in such a poor back line. As for hendo he has done nothing wrong thus far so give him a break. He is doing well and keeping the ball well. We will get an equaliser though i have a feeling...
Capetownred

You say that people should give Hendo a break. How about you give Carroll a break. He has offered a lot more to the team than Suarez has today by dropping back. Don't get me wrong I love Suarez as a player but give Carroll a break.

Carrol has done nothing wrong, what service has the midfield given him?. The team is not good enough face facts and deal with it. Hurry up january.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:16:36
ABYSMAL to say the very least,top 4, not a cat in hells chance,no fight,no bottle,no pattern,TOO NEGATIVE,NEVER SEEN A TEAM THAT PASSES BACK SO MUCH {Ed001's Note - so one game decides the finishing position in the league does it? Pathetic, it isn't even finished yet! We were worse in the first half at Istanbul and still managed to win the trophy, shame you are far too busy whining to support the team when it needs you.}

Ed it's ok having blind faith , but the team that finished against stoke should have started , Kenny has got this so wrong Skertal against bale no excuse ,we have been awful even before man sent off, henderson not ready yet needs to be broken in , adam slugish , carrol at least giving 100 %

I appreciate what you say Ed, but that's always the excuse after every loss, "it's just one game" next thing you know we are in 6th place out of europe, I'm tired of the defeatist attitude with the supporters, we are better than this {Ed001's Note - you are the one displaying a defeatist attitude.}

We didn't have 10 men in Istanbul we had something to play for and had stevie and all in all a stronger and better squad that could play together
Plus we had no card happy w**ker refs {Ed001's Note - don't talk soft, every game we have something to play for. As for a stronger and better squad, Djimi Traore was in the bloody squad.}

Ed001. I was there in Istanbul and honestly we wernt this bad, and today we are playing spurs not AC milan. We cant hide today i thing it shows our lack of quality. You say we should show support? what effort have they show to us today? {Ed001's Note - they have shown more effort than you have lad. They got off to a bad start and haven't recovered but it is only 1-0, try showing some support and cut the whining until the game is over.}

Well said Ed. This is a real chance for us to show our character. And even if we don't pull it out the bag and win, we, as fans of LFC, shouldn't be overeacting and saying our seasons over. The fans saying we have no chance of fourth now will be the same ones who were saying we were gonna win the league after the Bolton game. We need to stop the premature judgements and start to live up to the reputation we are supposed to have as Liverpool fans

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:16:15
whats carra bringing to the team these days...????? hoofing,shouting his head off,(is that leadership)out of position all the time,loads of pace...when your games gone,your games gone....get ta bed

would you defend better??
I thought not get real how do you want him to defend along the floor playing into spuds players feet hhmm

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:16:11
Carragher stop going backwards to reina all the time

He cant win! you moan if he hoofs it but then when he keeps possesion by giving to his keeper to give to a player in space ya still moanin! get behind the team

At least he is keeping possession

Pardoe

With him in the team,we carn't win...

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:16:05
At least Adam has made KK decision of who SG replaces.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:13:36
Have we had a shot lol. What a joke 4th spot is. We play the gunners when they were lost and won. We cant even match spurs. lol cant watch th e crap anymore

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:12:09
Ref is a card happy person effin hes booking any player that moves yet alone makes a tackle
match abandoned for too many reds in my opinion
Bean

He'll definitely be getting a bonus today, probably from Redknapp's own pocket.....

I agree fully crook will be paying out today

His hands won't be cold at any point in this match, might as well keep his hands in his pockets. Where is the yellow when Tottenham take out Suarez or Carroll?being beaten by ugly mugs like Bale (monkey), Modric (goblin), wheela- deala tax-dodging Redknapp and Walker (spade-face), just hurts more.
Redknapp (Bulldog) and

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:11:09
negative today are we lads....Skrtel is out of posistion against bale, Modric scored a cracker, but overal were away and yes were a goal down , a man down but lets get behind the team instead of slagging them off - McMenemy

Well said mate !

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:10:41
Its total gash. I have turned off now. I hate seeing us lose but even more so when you are playing spurs and getting humiliated

Plus that wonderful addition we like to call fans who stick by teams through thick and thin
w**ker of a ref helps people's spirits too

Maybe some of the fans can now see the sense in getting rid of Aqualani and Meireles at the same time.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:09:20
major plus point , andy carroll putting in a right shift out there today

Just once I'd like to see him anticipate a ball or make a run to the front post instead of just waiting for the ball to hit his head.

-Shane.

You are kidding right?

Chris in Tamworth

Hes chasing all over the pitch fair play to him

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:09:06
FFS get Henderson off and Kuyt on to help out down that side. Caroll off Bellamy on.
ND

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:08:41
Disjointed or what, this is awful since the first minute we have been terrible. Skirtle out of position get Robinson on, get Carroll off and stick Bellamy on...

I can't believe Kenny started with Skirtle against Bale, it's only a matter of time before Skirtle recieved a red card and we get hammered by 4-5...

Terrible to watch..

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:07:45
4th spot? were having a laugh if you realy belive that. We been second best to spurs all day even b4 Adam got sent off. We not good enough to even hold our own against spurs. Ok we are the away side but we aint getting beat we are gotting blown away. we may aswell as be playing barca. not enough improvement forget 4th this season

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:07:42
Ref needs to chill out with the cards me thinks !

Brisc93

We need him to send a spurs player off before he stops with the cards

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:07:13
Same story. No euro game, plenty of rest and we are still rusty. Need to hit the ground running as there is no time in this league. Poor start, Suarez must be sondeustrated being in this team!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:06:53
F**k sake Adam! Could see that coming since 5 mins into the match. Need to change and get some pace up front to have any chance now. Get Henderson and Carroll off.

Reina
Carragher - Skrtel - Coates - Enrique
Lucas
Kuyt - Suarez - Downing
Bellamy

-Shane

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:05:10
Kenny has with his poor tactics by looks of it has cost us game.

We need pace up front take carroll of put belamy on.

We are playing with 10 men we need players to run behind their defence.

Red indian

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:04:26
We are not a 4th place squad, Tottenham have a better squad than we do. Our new signings have been terrible. I have no confidence in our signings. (Adam, Henderson especially)

I would suggest the club should have no confidence in you as a supporter. Come back when you've grown a brain.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:02:15
Just keep the bloody ball liverpool, stop giving it away!

maka

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:01:34
Sorry boys that is game, we were out of it even with 11 men. It was a bad desicion to put Skrtel on the righ side but it is what it is. Lets just not lose 3-0 please.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:01:29
adam was havin a mare today now we got it all to do

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:00:58
Charlie Adam what the hell were you thinking?

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:00:50
Oh dear. Man down and goal down. Charlie while you're back there please go find your brain.
Capetownred

 

 

18 Sep 2011 14:00:42
Wheels are coming off. Referee had no alternative but to book Adam for that challenge although the first booking was unnecessary

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:59:54
Coates on, Agger off, Adam sent off(rather poor decision, Adam got the ball)

Keith YNWA

You are joking chap surely studs into the blokes knee

Pardoe

Not only did Adam get the ball - if you watch the slow-mo replay his eyes were looking at the ball coming down from the air the whole time.
Not once did he look towards Parker, so there was no intent.
He was just unlucky that he caught him.
Saying that though, that was more of a yellow card than the first one.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:58:52
steven gerrard????????????????

What about him????????

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:58:44
My prediction adam will get red card if he does not. Shape up.

Red indian

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:58:18
Not even half hour gone and people flagging our players off we're not Chelsea or man city give us time for Christ sake

King Luis

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:57:14
Getting absolutely hammered by Spurs at the moment. We don't seem to have anyone playing right back or anywhere in midfield. I'd make 2 subs already and change it all up.

-Shane.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:56:41
KK needs to do something about Skrtel. He is the weak link at the moment. Spurs could be 3 up and it's all coming from that side.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:54:33
I said a few days ago we will play caroll and a boring 442 and spurs will win 3-0

Why do we do it...wen we have bellamy on the bench an kuyt and we can have much better movement

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:51:46
Can some one find what hendo and adam are doing on the pitch.they could be sitting in stands.

Red indian

Give it a rest they have been playing for half an hour get behind them or do one !

Brisc93

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:51:08
Please take off Skrtel for Coates Kenny!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:50:50
Ok we gave him a shot. Now, can we all agree that I'm better at soccer than carrol?

Rip-off of the century that.

Ash

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:50:41
The quality of Parker and Modric is a joy to behold. We are getting outclassed in so many areas at the moment. We need to step this up and quick. Coates?

Ash

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:50:30
Come on LFC, almost a great goal from Suarez, unfortunately offside, but we can still do it!

Scratch that, we're screwed.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:48:54
We should pay Siberia FC to take Carroll off our hands...

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:46:39
isn't kelly supposed to be fit? Where is he?

Keith YNWA

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:41:36
What the hell of a system kenny is playing.adam is playing as attacking medfeilder and looking poor till now.
What the hell carra n skertel doing bale is cutting us apart.

Red indian

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:39:12
we're looking poor and slow with a goal down at the moment

Keith YNWA

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:38:47
wow


Ghandi Floss

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:37:45
carra all over the shop again,your cb,not rb,stay in your position....leak goals with him....

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:31:41
Wish people would pipe down about bale.

Stu.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:27:52
Carroll double hatrick. Duckula

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:11:30
Only concern today is who will deal with bale. Look a bit short of pace down the right. 2-1 Liverpool I think.

Ash

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:08:04
This game for me will be decided for or against us by the battle between bale on left and our right back whether it is carra or skertel.
City won 5-1 there let's see how we do..
Carrol must stand up and prove doubters wrong.
Red indian

 

 

18 Sep 2011 13:00:18
Liverpool: Reina, Skrtel, Enrique, Agger, Carragher, Lucas, Downing, Adam, Henderson, Suarez, Carroll. Subs: Doni, Maxi, Coates, Kuyt, Spearing, Bellamy, Robinson.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:52:56
Great team choice 2day looks great balance. Glad to see Carroll and Henderson in. Come on reds.

Mighty reds

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:52:28
Anyone else a little worried about Carraghers inclusion today? A great servant but looking a bit suspect too often nowadays. Penalty or not last week he got done good and proper by a nobody. He's always looked dodgy when up against the likes of Thierry Henry and Drogba (not many aren't), but he's starting to get found out by journeymen. Defoe and Adebayor are a worry today. Hope he proves me wrong.

Aintree Red {Ed028's Note - And when you consider there has been a penalty in the last 4 meetings...}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:49:08
Just watching lfc. Apart from saying henderson gives balance to the team Gillespie just said he thinks charlie adam is a better player than xavi alonso. Must have had a smoke before the show!

Adam is a great player and will shine here at LFC, but Xabi is the best in the world at what he does.

maka {Ed028's Note - Agreed}

Thats Because noone else in the world can do what he does ;)

GibbzeeLad

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:41:39
I have a mate who is a steward at anfield, and he told me that before today's match he and a couple others have the job of "directing" as he said, a very important guest. He has reason to believe it could be a player the pool tried to get in summer but didnt have enough time. This is definately true, but as to if it is even a player i dont know. If it was to be a player at all, who would you guys think? And do you think the camera's will pick him out?

I personally think it could be a Madrid scout, having a look at Suarez? =/ hope not

{Ed002's Note - Whoever it is he will be real easy to spot at Anfield today with everyone else being in London to watch the game with Spurs.}

I actually love Ed002

Ghandi Floss

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:36:36
Carrol and suarez in front.
Come on you reds!

Red indian

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:26:21
I have bad feeling about todays game. Stevie might be on bench but we going down 2 - 0. Spurs still better than us.

I have a good feeling about today's game. Stevie might be on bench, 2-0 for us. We ARE better than Spurs.

HK {Ed002's Note - Reina; Skrtel, Carragher, Agger, Enrique; Henderson, Lucas, Adam, Downing; Suarez, Carroll.

Subs: Doni, Robinson, Coates, Maxi, Spearing, Bellamy, Kuyt}

No way are Spurs better than us. We have a better squad and man-for-man a far better First XI.

But that still doesn't stop me worrying about this. I'm sure King will play a blinder as he always does (does he ever play any team other than us?) and Adebayor will score because he's in his first two months at Spurs.

Martin

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:23:39
A quick stat for my fellow reds. LFC have lost 18 out of 20 matches in league when we have gone behind. This shows someone needs to pick up team when we are behind.
All the best reds.

Red indian

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:19:38
dont swallow arrys flattering smooze.can win this,give suarez help upfront with bellamy.and attack!

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:13:22
Rafas Best buys. Pepe, Torres, alonso, Mescherano, Lucas, Agger.
The bad one is guys need ur help

You forgot Arbeloa

 

 

18 Sep 2011 12:11:41
Ed , whats the name of that site online were i can watch todays game had it saved but lost it in virus,
cheers .

Martin
{Ed002's Note - Try www.firstrowsports.tv}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 11:42:01
I've been using this site for a while. It used to be full of rumours, either plausible or downright ridiculous. Now it's full of questions to the editors. "ed will we be signing so and so, do you think we'll sell so and so" could we please keep it to actual rumours. Questions? just google them.

This is the banter site not rumours, if you don't like it don't read it.
TIZER RED

 

 

18 Sep 2011 11:20:12
Morning
Does anyone recall that tv prog a whiile back, which looked at the health of premiership managers ?
I noticed Wenger on MotD last night, bloodshot eyes. I mean he's never looked the picture of radiant health, but he seemed a man under pressure.
But what about the fans ? Suppose you were wired to a heart rate monitor and yr stress levels checked ?
Lol. Live football is inherently unhealthy. That's why :
a. If you're at the match, have a right good old sing song and put your camera phone away - those things do my head in ; and b. you shouldn't watch the Reds on Sky. The equivalent of 40 x cigs, puffed in a hour and a half. No, take it easy. Have a leisurely extended Sunday dinner, then watch the highlights tonight safe in the knowledge of a 2 - 1 win. Go to bed happy. Bingo, Robert's your father's brother.
The Real KB

I spotted it myself KB, he looks like a broken man, the sparks gone. He has nothing left to give. In my opinion his affair with Arsenal is over. His philosophy needs a bit of fine tuning and he hasn't anything left in him to do it.

His situation very much reminds me of Rafas last days with Ensua. Ensua to me has to be the worst full back i've seen yet Rafa insisted on playing him out of stubborness. Wengers situation is very much similar with Koscielny. I wouldn't have the guy in my sunday league team, he is an out and out liability with no heart.

Ozone

One thing I would comment on KB is that RVP is at least trying his nuts off for them.
compare him to our long faced FT when we were in that same place last year and the difference is huge.
Hope your prediction comes true today.
Up the red boys!!
Rugbyred

Arsenal are like two pieces of a jigsaw that dont fit. At least when we were sh*ep, we were all sh*ep. Lol. Win as a team, lose as a team.
The Real KB

 

 

18 Sep 2011 11:10:02
This is my Sunday selection, 152-1
Ed, and fellow reds what do you think?

Sunderland v Stoke (home win)
Spurs v The Mighty Liverpool (away win)
Fulham v Man City (away win)
Man Utd v Chelsea (home win)
Southampton v Brum (draw)
Rangers v Celtic (away win)

TIZER RED..

See if u can get the bookies to add on the odds of De Gea fluffing one today.
Cos that is 100% gonna happen.
If they dare to pick their first choice keeper, that is.
The Real KB

I think you could be right, I was just looking at the fixtures and thinking "which team will let me down" (as atleast one always does) as Celtic have just equalised I'm gona say Chelsea will probably do em, but that's all good coz I'd pay every week if it ment United losing.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 10:38:17
Big day today. Wish to all the lads good lack and to return to anfield with a victory over spurs.

You make your own lack!

Be possitive

 

 

18 Sep 2011 09:50:52
morning eds love this site best ever keep it real.i cant wait for 1 pm, super sunday hear we come, very best of luck too are boys lets roll over the yids.in king kenny we trust fire em up kenny lets have this WIN.walk on walk on.jay essex red for life red till dead

 

 

18 Sep 2011 09:11:32
I believe after yesterdays results a draw would not be the worst result in the world today although i believe we have the quality to win. Team selection will be interesting dont see many changes as i said earlier in the week i have a gut feeling spearing may start to not get out numbered in midfield and he as never let us down when called upon. He may also start Carroll as an outlet.

I believe Downing can be the match winner today linking up with luis.

.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 08:58:15
Really disappointed with the Spurs banter page. Been on there for some banter but its like a ghost page lol

This Sir Alex, is he a Un**ed fan? The reason why I ask is, I was reading a few posts who said he was a blue nose.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 08:46:05
The joys of working a Sunday from 10 am to 9pm, miss all the footie, thank god for skygo ;)!

I see Slur Alex is getting all paranoid again, the media are all for De Gea to fail, yada yada yada!

Rebel_Red

 

 

18 Sep 2011 04:39:16
Hi hopefully next season dalglish will be asking raffa for his opinion on the champion league games .raffa might be many things but he sure knew his champion league football.

Are you taking the piss or something lad. As if the king would ask for advise on football. ha ha lol.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

Kennys record in Europe isn't the best lad so why not as Rafas is far superior

 

 

18 Sep 2011 04:24:26
Hi eds no reason to play gerrard until hes really fit just make sure hes 100 percent when he returns,re coates introduce him slowly I feel sure he will be first choice this season and for many more to come our buy of the summer as far as im concerned.

 

 

18 Sep 2011 03:53:47
hi guys/gals ive been a liverpool fan for many years,also enjoyed watching football in general but that has all changed over the last year or so now I only enjoy watching liverpool,does anybody else feel the same or is it just me.

I do watch barca sometimes just cos i enjoy how they play football but thats about it
giblet

 

 

18 Sep 2011 03:42:56
HI eds guys/gals , little nervous about the spurs game they handled us pretty easily last time ,think this will be a good barometer for our season, fingers crossed, ive bought a fine bottle of wine to celebrate lets hope I open it.

Well I guess my fears were well founded no wine tonight

 

 

18 Sep 2011 00:27:30
Ed I noticed earlier on ppl asking you why United fans banter is posted on this page, you said it worked both ways. Well I posted some good clean family banter on there earlier and it's no where to be seen, judging by the time between posts it looks like Ed007 or whoever is in charge is fairly selective with what gets posted.

Samson Rasher {Ed001's Note - please don't start whining, I deleted what was a homophobic post by yourself, nothing clean or family about it. It was childish and out of date attempt at humour and I was extremely disappointed in you.}

Well Ed I'm sorry if you found that to be homophobic, I don't really think that saying I object to the x in Sir Alex x because it is like one man sending a kiss to another is homophobic, it was meant as a joke and a reference to Gary Neville always kissing his team mates on the lips after they scored not a homophobic slur, there was no foul or abuse language or any derogatory terms towards homosexuals if it came across in another way I apologise, but I must say I am a little dissapointed with your oppinion I'm a regular poster and I love my banter I'm never offensive or aggresive in posts I always try to eep it light hearted and genuine and I am certainly not a homophobe.

Samson Rasher {Ed001's Note - that's why I was disappointed mate, it was not what I thought of you, but it did come across as very homophobic. If I had thought you meant to offend I would have blocked you, but as I have read a lot of your posts in the past I didn't think you had that intention. Though mentioning the words Gary and Neville together is always likely to offend to be fair. I do think you should rethink the usage of those two words in conjunction!}

Fair enough Ed I think this is a case of crossed wires, I'll be sure to take extreme caution if I ever chose to use the words Gary and Neville together again, maybe a little more thought is needed on my part when it comes to responding to Manc banter but it gets right under my skin and you should see the stuff I delete. In the words of Dan Le Sac "I want to set things right with homosexuals right now; I don't hate ya"

Samson Rasher {Ed001's Note - you should see the stuff I delete! lol}

 

 

18 Sep 2011 00:12:16
Well ladies, I am ever so sorry you took my banter so seriously.

Liverpool FC's lack of success isn't a reflection of you on a personal basis. Try not to let it get you down. Embrace and accept your football club's lack of success and over inflated perceived status in world football.

Try not to be jealous of United, but concentrate on your peer group like Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan and Accrington Stanley etc. Together with yourselves they also do not have european commitments.

When its european week, get Liverpool FC to start your own domestic competition so that you have a chance to win something.

Good wishes to you all, but always, know your place.

Sir Alex x

It could be worse "Sir" Alex, we could be Arsenal fans.

Blair Mayne YNWA

If you were anywhere near what our real rivals where you might get a real response you my sir are an ass
aintree dave

Sir Alex, we were top dogs in the 80's, United were nothing. Since '93 your club has been on top, our reign ended and so will yours. Liverpool are on the rise, new owners, new staff, new idea's. I think your worried, not only at the fact that Liverpool are going to be a force, but also the fact that in the next few seasons you will no longer be the number one club in Manchester.

C.

Nothing lasts Forever! You have to pay massive wages for players to even consider moving to Manchester (not the most endearing of Citys) and when you are no longer Winners! That day will surely come! What then?
kidmillions

 

 

17 Sep 2011 23:58:35
if gerrards fit enough tomorrow i hope he gets a second half run out,he will be a big lift for us and coats will as well i personally think he's gonna be a bigger signing than people think like having hypia back at his prime paired with agger very very powerful,our team with them in addition will be on fire and can only improve in weeks with full fitness i cant wait lads two new world class signings either tomorrow or in the week i for one am ecstatic,red sky at night 3-1 is right lol hope so.
aintree dave

Coates definitely a Big signing at 6ft 6" :-)
kidmillions

 

 

17 Sep 2011 23:39:52
I bolloxed up sending this earlier. Was just remembering a couple of trips to the Lane back in the 80s, cos it was one scary gig. A long silent criss cross trip kon the tube from Euston. No cctv. Then that long walk up the main street to the ground. World War 3 going off.
Then back again. And then to top it off, Euston was like the masai mars, predators circling everywhere.
Scary. Anyway, have fun tmrw at the game lads. Lol.
The Real KB

Hitch-hiked down to White Hart Lane for an Fa Cup replay on a tuesday night in the early 70s we won 1-0 Ray Clemence was outstanding best goalkeeping display I've ever seen. When we scored, I lost me shoe, next thing someone threw it on the pitch; a copper pcked it up and dissapeared with it.
Down the Seven Sisters after the game with one shoe on! was scary.Bunked the train Home. Great memories :-)
kidmillions

I was at that game, when we come out of the ground there was thousands of them waiting for us, i still see scousers today that were there and pretended they wernt, bob paisleys skids

 

 

17 Sep 2011 22:07:43
hey eds any news on the squad that has travelled down what about stevie has he went down with the lads.

belfast red adam {Ed001's Note - he always travels anyway mate, unless he is unable to travel.}

 

 

 
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