Liverpool Banter Archive August 19 2012

 

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19 Aug 2012 22:38:08
just wanted to say it was one game we lost 37 others, now onto our squad
I say sell Suarez and get a proven goal scorer. its always the same they say he could have got a hatrick he is a striker he should score goals.

Are you kidding me? Sell Suarez the guy that creates chances single handed?! You are off your head?

Creates chances only for himself...

Y dont u sell caroll and get a striker to play with suarez??
or u rate caroll better than suarez????

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:32:50
Apparently, according to the times, Liverpool have told Adam and Cole they can leave. I would imagine Adam could be sold. Cole is a different kettle of fish entirely. I don't think they could give him away.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:32:28
A question for EDD001. When suarez was at ajax, he was banging the goals in and it was his goal tally that clubs were interested in, hoowever whilst at lfc soo far, he is struggling to finish opportunities. Edd, I think its confidence and calm he needs in front of goal but the longer he misses the target i am starting to think that he is definately not a froward but a sort of creative player. Suarez is a strange player in my opinion. He is techincally exceptionally and his control at his feet in my opinion is on par with messi but he is not really a striker nor a winger. I think his best position might be slighty wide. Edd, what do you make of suarez?

Melbourne' {Ed001's Note - it is a totally different thing scoring against poor defenders and keepers, to scoring against quality defenders and keepers. Plus he has little support in the box for us, meaning there is less space and time because the defenders can concentrate on him, with there being little in the way of threat from other players. At Ajax, they would have other players in the box, creating space for him as defenders had to mark more than just him. Personally I think he should either be behind the striker or out wide, as a main striker he is just not the answer.}

It amazes me that pretty much most people seem to agree that Suarez should probably not play as a striker (proven last year and again yesterday) and yet that is where puts him. Borini, who is a striker and has stated he prefers to play centrally, is played out wide. I find this a tad disconcerting- why is it that BR can't see
this?

I dont agree about the poorer defensive in holland, he seems to be able to get plenty for uruaguay at times against gud oposition, it just seems to be a problem at liverpool :/ {Ed001's Note - Uruguay get a lot more bodies in the box, meaning he has more space and time in there. Also international defenders tend to stand off more, giving the opposition more time and space and get less in the face of their opponents.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:32:12
not a rumour just my opinion br shud go for tiago of barca on a season long loan fits perfect for his style barca got the usual 3 plus cesc song and mascherano tiago just gonna sit on bench.pls post

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:11:54
Ed001, I understand you're a Liverpool fan. I've heard people saying about Gerrard and Carra's influence on the club and how it should stop. Well Ed001, I would like your opinion on the matter.

JK {Ed001's Note - I have been saying for years that they are an issue, remember they were the main reason Hodgson was appointed. They are far too involved in everything, they were consulted on the appointment of Rodgers too. Torres initially became unhappy because of Gerrard expecting him to go on 'team bonding exercises', when he wanted to stay at home with his family. When Gerrard decided he didn't want to play right wing, even though he was at his best there and we had no one else, he was given the role of his choosing behind the striker. Once players start picking the team, it is the beginning of the end. The manager needs to be the one in charge, otherwise you just end up with sulks and strops when a player doesn't get his way.}

Spot on Ed001, these two plus Flanagan should go, I have a distant contact who works at the training ground and they witnes first hand the suppressive atmosphere when Gerrard and Carra are about.
I was hoping Brendan would see through this, time will tell. You can almost notice a change from last season in the way Gerrard now talks about the club, when interviewed, and what the manager wants to happen, me thinks it's taking a short time but Brendan may well be stamping his authority within the club. I blummin hope so, especially after the lack of guts yesterday.

Skrtel and Agger were playing as though they believed the talk about them being worth 20mil upwards, they proved they are not!
Gerrard, not captain material, only shows up in bigger games.
Carra, time to retire.
Borini, looks lightweight, needs time.

Come on Brendan, get a grip, show your teeth and rule the club with an iron fist.

Big Bill

Load of rubbish and did they get their mate kenny the sack stop it , its not x files its liverpool fc no more rubbish please its bad enough .

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:44:35
If sahin chooses another club then so be it. Hopefully it's a wake up call to the doom mongers on here that haven't a clue about how close our beloved was to becoming a Portsmouth.
We are rebuilding, we can't offer The attractions of other clubs at the moment due to the dire situation our club was put in by some cowboys and prior to that to a certain extent.
FSG have saved our club, they are responsible owners which is refreshing in the modern game which has become blighted by pathetic role models with a lack of education and saturated with money & material objects.
The club is being run better now than it has over the last 20 years or more and so takes time to catch up. So if Sahin chooses a PL team like Arsenal then it's obvious why. Just don't slag off the owners & manager die to lack of effort or funds as you haven't a bloody clue about our club or the modern game!

Persona Supreme

That has to be post of the day. too many people on here live in fantasy land and jump on the wagon as far as players are concerned. how many people know anything about sahin ? or ramirez for that matter ? people are too insular and think the epl an the top 2 in spain are the only things that exist. take assaidi for instance, most people are saying "who's he ? never hard of him", open your eyes and watch other leagues and see there is a lot of talent out there and get out of the bubble of the mega brilliant epl, it ain't and it will come falling down one day, and i , for one am glad we have good people in charge and not sugar daddies who throw money around like it is nothing, when the ffp rules kick in we will see where everybody is, ill take a guess and say the bundesliga will be best equipped, and not the deluded world of most epl fans !

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:42:18
Macca, do we have back ups for the players that will choose to join other clubs and are we looking to add another striker to the ranks?

Please get a striker

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:40:42
HI ED'S

if adam spearing and carrol goes we should get close to 30 million. like downing to be sold too. if sold him too should make it close to 40 million. and if agger goes. should make it over 60 million.

how much of that would be made availible for transferes

seeing as we brought joe allen and borini and the lad from holland. total about 28 million {Ed001's Note - impossible to say, we don't work that way.}

I would imagine for those 3 we would get closer to 20mil than 30!

BrisbaneLFC

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:30:56
Heard a sneaky one today. Toivonen is on his way to anfield ! Medical some point before wednesday

96YNWA

Hope not he is really slow worse than carroll
TT

Why on earth would we sign a nobody? The signs are looking bad for us! Hate being downbeat but unless we sign someone with quality this season is already over

Nothing in the Dutch papers.
Dutchmal

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:17:11
Leandro damiao is the solution here people. 25m and we get a goalscorer who scores goals who kicks the ball in the net so it's a goal cos he's a goalscorer. Also does a sweet rainbow flick.
We should also be looking at that polish guy at dortmund. Something...ski.
Or spend andy carroll money on Falcao/llorente/cavani.
Also did FSG give Brendan like no money. We spent the meireles money on borini and assaidi. The players we've sold will take a large chunk out of the Allen deal. So why the f haven't we got 30m to splash out on some big names. Even the old fat yanks used to give us something. They haven't spent any of there money on players for this club, not a cent.

Genuinely, Thanks for reminding us how scoring goals works.

Maybe tell Suarez as well?

Lewandowski and agree pal there the type of strikers we need.
Skurks

But don't agree about the owners I think the running the club the right way tbh...
Skurks

FSG are looking to make this club different to that of the ones who spen silly, it takes time to build a team Dalglish was going backwards and BR has only had one game. If you were true fans you would ge behind the team no matter what the financial situation and realise that too many fans now care for the money we don't apparently spend to the football that is being played on the pitch

Haven't spent a cent on the club? Try about 100M in the last two years. There is no practical difference from an accounting perspective between paying for a new player or the electricity bill at Anfield. Money in comes in, money goes out and thus far there has been much, much more out than in (~340M in, ~440M out since FSG bought the club).

We spent "the merieles money" on cancelling out our debt.
derryred

20 Aug 2012 01:14:54
Thank you somebody agrees with me!
Some people dont see the light they have spent £70m in on money in 2 years, for a team that needed major work rest was torres and meireles.
They are a joke those of u that dont see this are delusional.
Fact is most of u people seem to be focused on the fact that they are trying to make us financialy stable, fair enough but liverpool belong at the top so they shoukd be using there own money liverpool should be back at the pinacle of british football at the monent we are in a footballing crisis throwing money at the team can work but not the liverpool way but using no money is also not the way.
We are the laughing stock of english football everybody got it in for us ohhh lets laugh liverpool paid this paid that ohh the great liverpool how the mighty fall.
I read on bbc today ben smith he tweeted "dare i say it but southampton are playing in a red shirt like liverpool thel be hoping they dont play like them". Comparing that southampton dont even play as bad as us!

Yanks show us the money and get us back to some pride or go away

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:44:22
Can any of the Ed's help by answering about the situation of Adam Johnson, is Sunderland his most likely destination?

cheers John L {Ed002's Note - It is a possible destination - most likely is not easy to pronounce when he has just seemingly gone on the market.}

Thanks for the reply about AJ ed, your right to be honest many fans believe we're going to be bidding for him but would City offload him to us?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:13:40
Hi eds, posted regarding Sahin & the Mirror story, was it not let through because you have heard that he is in fact signing for Arsenal?
ForzaRed {Ed002's Note - I have not seen it.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:39:44
Eds & Reds,

I have to get this off my chest. After Saturdays performance against West Brom, it is clear that we are in desperate need of a goal getting striker. As much as Suarez is a talented player he has a fear of putting the ball in the back of the net. I think its obvious that if we dont invest in a proven striker itll be the same story as last season, losing and drawing games we should have easily won.

Please post as im interested in other opinions especially ed002's

Cheers

RedForever {Ed002's Note - I would say it is one game just now RF. Agger was sent off, perhaps it would have been seen differently by another referee. For now I would say move on and let therest of the transfers go ahead. If not, sack Rodgers as many of the fans were screaming out for yesterday then perhaps get Super Stevie Nicol in as manager for the rest of the season.}

What if super Steve nichol loses his first game? Sack him? Paisley's genius {Ed001's Note - 002 only suggest Nicol to wind me up, I am sure of it! I have watched his teams play many times, they play the kind of long ball, men behind the ball tactics Hodgson did, except slower and more boring.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:23:25
Real Madrid's Sahin has signed for Arsenal!! could this weekend get any worse!! Another target gone!

Yes it can. A friend or relative can die. An earthquake can hit killing millions. There can be a contagious disease spread. War could be declared. Genocide. Poverty.
Football is just a game mate.
derryred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:22:33
I was watching liverpool match on fox sports one of their commentator says he watch so many liverpool pre season match and liverpool player looks like less confidence. the only player he think showing confidence is Raheem and Shalvy .

what do you guy's think

r-r

Have to agree to a certain extent they did show passion and were very creative.

arrydon

Suarez isn't lacking confidence

Suarez is definitely lacking something. Terrible composure in front of goal. Never puts head up and look for a team mate. Tries everything himself.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 22:06:48
Mancini
A.johson can leave!
El Zhar has just scored for levante

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:58:06
why is it that wen ever liverpool try going for any player whether on loan or permanent , they always seem to lose out to other teams, i know moneys an issue bt surely we need to be a bit more persuasive as we building a winning side. BR needs to pull his finger out, sell henderson and carroll and bring in walcott,dempsey and quaresma + keep adam

Could it be lack of champions league?

I think Downing, Adam, Spearing, Doni, Cole should all go to lower wages and bring in money for signings.

Hendo and Carroll I would keep.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:57:28
Why are you so surprised?
Last year Brendan conceded 4
on the opening day.
This year only the 3.
Mid table manager at best.
All blame on those who didn't
Want raffa back!!

And all blame on those who hung on to Rafa too long for the mess we're in now

WTF? So its the fans fault for not wanting Rafa back, like the people on here make the decisions? We will come good, probably good the players got a wake up call, they know they need to work harder.

You can't be serious.. Your actually saying because he lost the first game were gonna be in the exact same position

Sorry to be rude...but shut the f**k up...try supporting the team instead of predicting our downfall, if you cant do that then your not a real fan..oh and Rafa aint comming back end of...deal with it

Bazingaa

sorry again about my rudeness

Who's this Rafa guy, obviously not a football man, if he was he'd probably not be unemployed

Worst post i've ever read. It's Rafa btw.
derryred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:55:24
Hi Eds could i have your thoughts on the following questions.

1. why are we now at the point were the season has started and our targets ie players have not arrived i understand there is dialogue with any player
but surely the positions that we are weekest in from last year should have been priority before the season kicks off .

2.it is obvious that our fall from grace has hampered any oppertunity of returning to the top 4 when trying to lure the best players but i would like to hear what your thoughts about our team are and were we need to improve

3.also could you comment on what you think is our weekness in convincing players to come i realise that its down to money with most of the players ie signurson but can we look beyond that do we not have the right person approaching these players or is there a person who we could bring in as a link to better players and improve our chances many thanks ed. {Ed001's Note - 1. Dempsey would be here but for Adam refusing to be told he had to join Fulham, when he doesn't want to leave the area after just getting married. Then discussions were halted due to some idiot posting up his signing on the website upsetting Fulham. Other moves have been unable to be agreed for various reasons, from wage demands to transfer fee demands, to being unable to shift the players we want to lose. We will keep trying to strengthen, but it is not as easy as it is on FM and FIFA and we are struggling.
2. For me we just need to bring in a forward who can score (Dempsey) and give the kids a chance. Why on earth Cole and Carragher are even on the bench is beyond me. Let's have the likes of Suso, Sterling and Coates on there and give them a run out. Suso could hardly have been worse than Gerrard yesterday, even if he tied his shoelaces together before going on the pitch! Sterling coming on for the last ten minutes will terrify any defence.
3. Most players only care about the money on offer, but that has always been the way and we have never paid the highest wages. We have always sold the club to players, the manager needs to be the one out there chasing the players he wants and convincing them to join. Players want to know the manager wants them, we all want to feel valued, that is what is likely to make the difference in the Sahin deal after all. Wenger's personally spoke to the lad and that seems to have swayed him their way.}

Couldn't agree more with u ed001

I agree with everything you say Ed001. Its dumbfounding to me that Carragher still demands a place on the bench. The West Brom fowards continually turned him inside out, as did the forwards in the Leverkusen match. its time to retire Jamie Carragher! the sooner the better.

BrisbaneLFC

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:44:46
Heard from a reliable source that dagger and squirtle want to stay at Liverpool so much they tried playing like qprs defence so no one would by them... Only joking first game of the season can't expect to much only 37 more ges to go

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:35:49
Ed could we get afellay we need some 1 like him thx Craig from huyton

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:21:34
Sorry for the cut & paste from EOTK but some so called fans need to learn what it is to be a supporter!

I have been aLiverpooll fan since I was 10, (Primary 4 – 1990) which happened to be the last time Liverpool won the League. I have been mocked and ridiculed by friends and foes alike on the stupidity of supporting a team that has fallen from grace, that is Liverpool FC. My best friends are Man U fans but no hard feelings as we areFootballl fans first.

Football is my Religion and Liverpool is my Shrine. It was football that started my love affair with Liverpool FC and long it shall last.

At that time, I didn't even know they won anything but it was after I first watched themplayy that I became a Liverpool fan ever since.

The fluid passing and movement, the consummate ease of getting past their markers, the ferocious team spirit and above all, the blood RED jersey that theplayerss wore made me fell in love with that team. Red has been my favourite colour ever since.

Regrettably, fans of my era never got to seeLiverpooll lift the league trophy again and after so many seasons of disappointments, I am hopeful the era of Brendan Rodgers would get us closer towinningg it.

The best moment as a Liverpool fan so far? It has got to be that Magical, Miraculous and Magnificent night on 25 May 2005. IT was our FIRST MAJOR FINAL as aLiverpooll fan and we were up in the wee hours of the morning (Singapore time) watching our beloved Liverpool play AC Milan. Athalf timee, with the commentator describing the football played by AC Milan as out of this world. We were shattered. A couple of my pals turned to the X-Box and started playing FIFA to console or distract themselves.

I sat in front of the TV stunned but yet I had this hope in my heart that we,Liverpooll FC can still get something out of this game.

The rest, as we know it, is without parallel the happiest and proudest moment as a Liverpool Fan (for me) in thePremier Leaguee era.

I have the greatest respect for Rafa Benitez as he was the only manager so far that has brought us the closest to ever winning the league and giving us so many memorable European and cup nights as well as Istanbul. To me, he is the greatestmanagerr of the premier league era for Liverpool and I am sure Brendan Rodgers can emulate him or go on to get us our first league title.

I live and breathLiverpooll, constantly checking on the Club's latest news and stories via Twitter and Facebook which has helped linked up Liverpoolfanss all over the world. Sad to say, I have never been to Anfield as it is quite expensive to be travelling to the UK from where I am. I harbour the hope of at least going there ONCE in my lifetime and I really hope I can fulfil this dream of mine…. :)

After last night's match, which was a disappointing result. I was disheartened and some what disappointed at the reactions of some of our fellowfanss. Calling for Brendan's sacking after only the opening match?? It just defies common sense and logic to think that a fellow Red can think of that.

I know each and every one of us,fanss, is entitled to our own thoughts and comments but seriously, calling for the head or making over the top comments on our team andcoachh is uncalled for, even if the performance was well below expectations.

Coming to expectations, all of us have high hopes whenever a newseasonn begins but it seems to me that people have forgotten how far Liverpool have fallen behind (mine you, 22 years and counting is a long, long drought) and yet expect us to challenge for the league trophy or even a top four finish?

I am not trying to belittle my love, but the fact is, we are not the Liverpool from the 80s. We are just another premier leagueteamm. (but we have the proudest and best fans in the world!)

After so many years, for once in my life as a Liverpool fan, I have finally witnessed a strong will and change of direction that our club is finally taking with the appointment of Brendan Rodgers and along with it the change in the way our football will be played.

All I can hope for is for us, fans to give him time to work his stuff and not just jump on the backs of our manager andplayerss after just ONE match into the new season, this I feel, just gives the whole team undue pressure and in turn, we may end up back to square one, like when King Kenny was sacked.

The brand of football that BR is advocating does not and will never happen over night. We, as fans, can only give the team thesupportt that they need and back the manager to bring us back to the top!

I know we will get there though I do not know when we will.

Above all, we are Liverpool FC, theteamm with the proudest football tradition in the world and a fan base that reaches a small little dot (on the map, if you can find it) in the far eastern part of the world, that is Singapore.

Thanks Antoine, for letting me write to you and let's lookforwardd to this new season with renewed hope & belief!

YNWA

Derek

Twitter: dereklim09
I am 32 years old this year and am a proud father of 2 lovely baby girls (23 months & 9 months old) with my lovely wife who tolerated my crazy love for this club all these years.

dmedly

Best post I have read in a while. Sick of all the so called experts who think they know better than the manager and are calling for his head already. Should be ashamed of themselves and instead of constantly moaning, they should be shouting for their team and giving them and the manager support through what is going to be a difficult season. I believe we will get stronger as the season goes on, but the team and manager need to know the fans are behind them all the way.

Mate, this is the 7th year I've been on this sight and I can say without a doubt one of the top 5 posts I've read. The glory will return with patience and when it rains, it will typhoon!

YNWA

NextGenRed

Benitez was a great manager. Some like to ruin his name and talk about his poor signings but he brought us Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Kuyt, and Lucas.

To they who claim Benitez was given a good squad which made him, I ask: who signed the starters who took us to 2nd place?

The king(s) is/are dead. Long live the king! All the best Rodgers.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:40:53
ive always noticed balotelli seems always to stick up for liverpool the LFC website just talked about how balotelli told borini about the fans and how amazing we are. Also during the suarez case balotelli explained how he wouldnt shake someones hand if they lied to get him banned for 8 games. Of course balotelli would be way to expensive wages to high and why he would want to leave ii dont know but personally i love him and just thought id point out how i have never heard of him saying anything but nice things about LFC

Jpow_LFC

He also kicked the Anfield Away changing room door in!

Yep true. he also mocked the FA when he tweeted how suarez got an 8 match ban based on evra's word.
"The FA are willing to ban someone based on one persons claim, with no video evidence? In that case, the whole ManU squad racially abused me"
derryred

Totally agree mate, l also love the way he wound rio up after city beat united in the fa cup the other season! Don't know why he got booed at anfield last season

Balotelli is an absolute nutball...but we would be great with him as our striker

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:40:43
Lucas. Gerrard



A. Johnson Afellay

Suarez

Adebayor

What could have been had we not decided to waste £81 on Carrol, Downing, Henderson, and Adam. The players we bought were not nececaraly available hence us paying over the top prices for them ( Adam included, hes worth 3m). The likes of Johnson, Adebayor and Afellay are all availabe for less than Downings fee.
See the difference in quality?

Papa Action {Ed001's Note - yes, the difference is about 250k a week more in wages, so £13m a year + PAYE etc. That also doesn't take into account signing fees, which would be significantly higher, in the order of probably another £10m or so for those 3 players. Your point is ludicrous and typical of someone who has no clue about the financial side of football. We simply can't afford to pay those 3 players their obscene wages.}

Exactly why i love reading your responses ed01.
derryred {Ed001's Note - it's hard work sometimes, people just don't seem to stop and look at all angles. Yes it may cost the same in transfer fees, but there is so much more to a transfer than just the fee.}

Yes we have wasted money, but at the time, apart from Carroll, they appeared they would strengthen the team. I know its early days but £15M plus add ons for Joe Allen seems excessive for his age and experiance and particularly after his efforts yesterday, why did we buy him!!!

Did you actually watch the game yesterday? Allen was head and shoulders better than his 2 midfield partners of Gerrard (terrible game) and Lucas (alright, but seemed unsure of what he was doing sometimes and lacking fitness).

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:31:31
people saying get behind br hes dropping clangers straight away he says he wants to get rid of carroll what if he had broke his leg or got another serious injury when he come on who would buy him. also every fan knows cole is useless . im afraid he will not be the answer possession doesnt win games its goals .

... and you can't get goals without possession, and the more possession you have the less chance of the opposition have of scoring ! good point though ;-( , oh, and rome wasn't built in a day

If only it was that simple. Well Eisenstein how do you get the ball into the net? I do not see how you can score a goal without possession of the ball, unless FIFA have passed a law allowing us to use a teleportation device (yet to be invented) to put the ball there.
So please stop spouting c**p.
derryred

1) At least rome was built ;)
2) Barca v Chelsea. who had more possession? who won?
goals win games

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:36:29
question: L'equipe mentions M'vila is on his way out of Rennes. As arsenal decided to go for Sahin, could it be that M'vila would join Liverpool?

Why do we need another defensive midfielder???

I heard that liverpool scouts where at the rennes vs bordeaux game so you never know?

He could very well end up at Arsenal too. Wilshere is crocked.
The Gooch.

M'vila will likely join Arsenal too!

dmedly

Been saying all along that Lucas is not a true defensive midfielder by nature...it is one of the positions that need strengthening in case you didn't watch us last season...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:35:23
anyone else think brendan rodgers should drop all the players who under preformed yesterday just to let them no there places arent safe and give some youngsters a go against city including sterling suso morgan

No but give the youngsters a go against hearts.

Nonsense, you can't go making knee jerk reactions to one result and throw all the youngsters in at a time when the club are perceived to already be under pressure, as well as the toughest run of games all season upcoming
Adam

Drop all the players who underperformed yesterday?

So that'd be both centre halves, the entire midfield and the forwards apart from Suarez.

That'd give us a team of: Reina, Jonno, Coates, Carragher, Enrique, Spearing, Shelvey, Adam, Sterling/Cole, Suarez, Assiadi

Shelvey's the only actual footballer in the midfield and the centre backs wouldn't fill me with confidence. Why don't we just forfeit the match instead?

Might be worth dropping a few for the Hearts match, but against City? Be serious please.

- Something Red - {Ed001's Note - why not Suso in midfield?}

...and upset half the footballers in the process?
Culminating in the "loss of dressing room" episode we're just getting over after the debacle that was "Hodgson?"
Where to next, are there any managers left to manage this club?

dmedly

20 Aug 2012 12:09:27
at ED001, I'm envisioning what BR would likely pick. Anyway, isn't Suso on U19 duty (again) or something like that this week?

I also forgot Henderson...

- Something Red -

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:34:05
Are we looking at a striker to replace Andy??
Cheers YNWA

Unless Rodgers has decided to give Carroll a go, then yes...a blind man could see we need a striker

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:32:44
We Come Not To Play.
Did they really think thats what tiki taka means?

Derek

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:31:06
It strikes me that we lack:
Cover for LB, Robinson too inexperienced to be 2nd choice. Johnson hasn't convinced me he is comfortable there, although he has satisfied the role adequately at times and Kelly would be out of his depth there, not fair. A cheap back up is needed, but not priority.

An experienced, natural out-and-out right midfielder. Downing cutting in is an option, as is Sterling, but that's makeshift. Sterling at this point has a number of potential positions and his ideal one is yet to be discovered in my view. I personally think he will fulfil a no. 10 role in years to come. Henderson must not be played there as it is clearly unnatural. We had Kuyt, Maxi and Bellamy all capable of playing there last season all gone, and so far, hasn't been attended to. A player of Quaresma/Gaitan ilk would be ideal, although unrealistic. Rumours of Walcott have done the round, I don't think there is any substance in it.

A poacher (Owen prime esque). Too many chances made, not nearly enough converted. We need a reliable source of goals, talking 15 minimum preferably 20, I'm not sure Borini or Suarez will provide this although they do offer great options going forward. A Defoe type player would be ideal, but not him.

An attack minded, creative midfielder. An Oscar, if you will. An Aimar in his prime. If Honda becomes available, then he would be perfect.

Honda has always been available if we actually put in a decent bid.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:27:20
As far as I am concerned yesterday meant nothing more than losing a game of football.
It happens and it is why we all love the game.
Chin up.... Take our Medicine... Learn from it and move on.
If this defeat re-focuses the minds of the players that they need to produce their best against every team and not just the big boys then it may be a blessing in disguise.....
You dont just turn up and expect to win fella's.....
jonnybarnes89-90

 

 

And who would have you appointed as the manager instead of BR - taking into account who was available and who would have taken the job? - and please please please don't say Benitez.

John B

I wouldn't have sacked Kenny. He deserved at least another season.

Ozone

Well said, people on here play too many console games, this one, that one, £100 million on the team, no grasp on reality

Louis Van Gaal. {Ed001's Note - everyone knows that for me it should have been a case of doing whatever it took to get Bielsa in.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 21:01:38
All I here on this site is people moaning and crying how bad LFC r, maybe u should do it the Greek way and boo the players and have a go at the owners instead of singing YNWA after a thrashing from WEst BRom.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:57:18
eds are the reports true that sahin has signed for arsenal?

thank you

sabe3 {Ed002's Note - The deal cannot be completed until the paperwork has been proceesed - and that has not happened yet.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:20:06
Ignoring the fact for the moment, thats hes Michael Owen, lets just look at him as a striker.

32 years old. In the last seven years he has scored 3,5,9,10,13,0,and 7 goals.

47 goals in Seven seasons, 32 years old, injury prone his entire career, lets face it he hasnt done anything since about 2004.

At most, give him a pay by the goal contract and use him in the League Cup. Thats about all hes fit for nowadays.

The time to take a punt on Owen was to offer a contract with a low basic wage and big appearance & goal bonuses in 2009 when he went to United. He says he'd have taken 'any' contract from us, might have been worth testing that theory.

As it happened he probably wouldn't have done much for us anyway, since he was injured so much for Man U.

- Something Red -

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:12:53
There are now officially more posts telling everyone to stop moaning than there are posts that are moaning.

All in all, everybody is moaning.

Tom.

What does this one count as?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:56:39
Hey everyone, ok let's get the obvious out of the way, we werent that good yesterday n got punished, one by a cracking finnish and the others just bad defending when we were down to 10 men and some silly referees decisions included.......ok if you all thought we were just magically going to turn into barcelona coz of this tika taka football then u all were sadly mistaken.....time is the key word in all of this......this season we shouldn't expect to much coz if u do then we will have a lot of disappointed fans around every week...... Rodgers has to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch ...... So come on people get behind Rodgers and the team and stop jumping to stupid conclusions and posting knee jerk reactions, sit back relax and just think about things, we will slowly get to where we want to be, time and patience is what it will take people and that's a fact...... I believe in Rodgers and his project

Andy kirk
Chorley

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:53:22
Now it would appear that the pendulum has swung the other way and talk now is of Sahin to Arsenal. Will we miss out on another target ? I've said it before, we don't have Champions League to offer, so we have to make it attractive for players to come in, even if that means more money. Call them mercenary, but it's a sign of the times. I know a lot of people will disagree and say we won't pay over the odds, but if we want them, we just might have to.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:50:21
Adam wants to stay and fight for his place in the team..

Joe Cole wants to stay and fight for his 90K per week wages, no matter pretending to be fit, no matter spending most of the time at the treatment table.

Well, people still want to keep them, just because they are stubborn and talk big but same as shi## on the pitch.

With the fact we have to offload to buy I think if we can offload these players we can bring in some better young quality players, Coles 90-K week is worth two players.

And please BR Raheem Sterling ahead of Joe cOLe, Sebastian Coates ahead of Carragher.

For the sake of any luck and hope for us fans.

I know we will suffer on the road ahead but at least make us believe you tried what you should have to do.

I will support you but I must find the right signs, right decisions from you.

YNWA BR but make us believe in you sell, transfer window has not closed, sell the useless excess baggage's, give youngsters the chance ahead of finished old players.

ASK FSG To give the funds to buy another striker and a winger...

Bosco {Ed001's Note - Cole isn't on 90k a week, he turned an offer of 90k a week down from Spurs to take our 75k a week offer instead. So I fail to see how you can suggest the lad is playing for the money.}

Well the massive sign on fee makes up for the 15k

True ed he isn't playing at all

Adam wants to keep farting on the bench obviously.... Rumour has it he lost half a stone in body weight when let that SHART out!!
jonnybarnes89-90

Ed...are u sure on joe cole...
I heard harry once saying..he wanted to sign cole for spurs and missed to us becoz we are offering him a more lucarative contract?
and u think levy will pay 90 k to a 30 year old free agent?? {Ed001's Note - Harry Redknapp was not involved with transfer dealing at Spurs, Levy didn't trust him to not pocket the money. Cole chose us because of Gerrard and Carragher convincing him to come and that the Kop would make him a hero if he played well.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:49:46
BR is a good man but he now knows what the poisoned chalice of managing LFC is about. All talk about quality loan signings is just talk. BR has no international reputation and even his old friend Mourinho seems to have deserted him with Sahin probably going to Arsenal. We don't have a world class replacement for Gerrard and until we do and buy somebody who can finish, we'll be wallowing in mediocrity. Gerrard's not the same player he once was and the sooner BR realizes this the better. Joe Allen is good buy...well actually he's an excellent buy but he's not a Carlos Tevez or an Eden Hazard. We need somebody of that ilk but I appreciate that without Champions League, BR can buy one. Nonetheless, BR should have the best part of the summer trying to identify somebody in that mould. Sahin could have been that player but it does seem he's failed to agree with Real Madrid and the player's agent. Finally, BR really has to sit down with that Downing and throw the book at him. He either plays as a professional footballer and get shipped in January. Downing just isn't interested and that's inexcusable. He was so poor against WBA and that says it all about KK's and Comolli's decision to pay 20 million sterling for an average player. I had serious misgivings when LFC bought Downing, and now that BR's lumped with him I can't help but feel sorry for BR. Good luck BR...you certainly need it. BTW I won't be suprised if we go on to lose the next four games and not score a goal in the process. I really hope this won't happen.

I disagreed with this post - only because u say that Mourinho deserted BR - the player has many options (as in all cases) you cant force someone to go somewhere u want regardless of whats on offer - also Sahin wont resolve the goal scoring issue - yes he might make more opportunities but that could mean we miss more as well.

Lets be negative in January if this is still the case - 1 game.... crikey

Hoola

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:49:06
In my opinion there will be 2 more signings. Affellay or Walcott plus a world class striker.

Your dreaming if you think we can lure a world class forward without cl

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:48:27
Hey eds been reading the witchhunt sorry banter for 2 days.what is the meaning supporter i thought it was support reading we should sack the manager ,sell this player, theyre not fit to where the shirt,then these persons sign of y n w a yes youll never walk alone.we are supposed to be well educated fans and know our football.most of these peoples seem to think that after one game that every player weve got are rubbishe past it should never have been bought.we need to let the team gel and understand each others game not panic over one bad game,when you walk through a storm and all that .come on supporters support your manager support your team and support all your players.it was a bad game,a bad performance.we was all pissed off ,get over it and lets get back to supporting the greatest club in the world.
Sincerely y n w a
Floug

I can't press agree enough. Brilliant post.

I really dont think one fan website is a good general representation of liverpool fans
saying that good post

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:47:37
Are we done in the transfer market cause BR had said that he was goin to add 3 or 4 players?

What if those players don't want to join us anymore? eg...Sahin?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:37:30
I heard that fsg have given Rodgers gets 25-30mill for a striker
Any news that it's true

I'd use £15m to get Gameiro and £8m for Dempsey = £23m...leaving us with £2m more to spend.

Sell Adam for £5m = £7m to get another player (Quaresma) as we desperately need Flair and Creativity besides Suarez.

if i had my way the next players to transfer in for this window would be.

Clint Dempsey (all rounder, Gerrard type but younger and hungry in peak form)
Kevin Gameiro (Clinical, poacher, sure footed)
Ricardo Quaresma (Undeniable creativity)

For those three we would have to pay = £29.5m

Our ranks would be filling with experience and new energy; adding depth & quality.

we could sell carroll and adam for £22m+

I'd rather pay one big fee and wage to get a falcoa or higuain. They are probably unrealistic but we could also go for lewandowski.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:36:41
Tello playing for Barca tonight and sahin looks nailed on for Arsenal.. I really hope we have a trick up our sleeve before the window closes and I dont mean dempsey! We really really need a striker or start playin carroll as much as it hurts me to say it.

Dub_Red YNWA

Barca 5-1 David villa just scored a cracker after 10 months out

Expensive: Schurrle or Muller or Higuain

bargain: Rhodes

we have to bring in one of these strikers

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:31:18
so, this star loan??? I am not counting on it, will eat my hat if we sign anyone remotely super talenred. lets stick to just average players..

So international players are average

It's Kevin Doyle.

You read it here first.

- Something Red -

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:30:50
So the dust has settled after the west brom defeat. We all no we had a bad game, the ref didnt help but we were not good enough and down to 10 men its hard work to claw back so I am not gonna hit the panic button just yet...1 game in.

So lets just hope its livened up BR in to getting the players he wants and quickly.

We need a striker, we can all see it. Borini and Suarez at times linked up well and lets hope that will flourish but we need another decent finisher.

Lucas isn't fit and Gerrard had a bad day, Joe Allen looks like he will shine this season, been with us a week and was the best of the three.

Downing. Sorry but he was again useless. Really wanted him to hit the ground running this year and earn his spot. Looks like he will slip down the pecking order.

The back 4 needs to tighten up, Coates will grow into a great CB and I would use Kelly there and Flanno as cover for Johnson. Speaking of which, please god lets not play Johnson at left back if Enrique is injured.

Reina couldnt do anything with that amazing 1st goal.

So.....here's my opinion

Sell: Adam, Spearing and Downing

Bring in: Dempsey, Wanyama and Rondon

Dempsey can play AM and upfront, Wanyama can play DM and also CB and Rondon is a super striker

Slight issue: Rondon has signed for Rubin Kazan, so that will likely be a small speed bump on your master plan

We needed a striker in the january window,could have had jelovic for £5 or 6 million,dont tell me its gonna be another window without a striker who knows were the net is, we all know we need one so lets get it on

Check your facts before posting mate, I'm sure there will be loads of posts pointing out your mistake

I'd rather Ramirez and top striker.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:27:34
If anyone is watching the Barcelona game, it is clear that Tello is quality... He is having a really good game. Would have been great had we got him for the left wing. Now, we're stuck with some overrated number 19...

Red PG

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:27:20
Another sad day we lose out to arsenal in sahin deal the reality is we are not a team big players want
to play in anymore.still think we will do well this sesson though west brom just one of those days.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:25:30
Tello has started for Barcelona tonight. I can't see him moving to us

Rob

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:10:55
We should buy higuain he and suarez are going to take us atleast top4 suarez creator and higuain finisher. If FSG have no money then we fans should help our mighty club and buy him for sake of liverpool fc plz fans

Dumb, drunk or both?

Have u got a spear 30-40 mill then please mate lol...redman matt

I'll throw my jirro in . Get real mate

Start a campaign mate, I'll donate to this.

Nollo

That seems extremely realistic. I'm sure the fans could band together and come up with at least £20m of a transfer fee (probably more) and at least £120k a week (probably more) before tax in wages for him for a 4 year deal.

And Higuain will 100% nailed on, definitely want to move to Liverpool. Who wouldn't want to move to Liverpool? Hell, we could get Lionel Messi if we just tried hard enough. It's just up to the incompetent staff, penny-pinching owners and worthless manager to pull their finger out for a change.

Oh no wait...

- Something Red -

What and we'll all chip in to pay his wages every week as well? Lol
Skurks

Daydream Believer!!!

I got about 6.50 ill happily donate could raid me jar and have about a tenner if it helps?

jayblair89

Lets say he's worth 30 million, which means 300,000 fan have to chip in a tenner each.

Oh that last reply to this post I sent about Andy buying us a striker may not go over well but it's my only hope.

Threw a chair at an office computer after the third goal during WBA so paycheques may be hard to come by for a bit. Contribution on my end is unlikely.

Or better still we could start a strippers for strikers fund where local dancers donate some of their nightly take. Looks like Andy's buying us a goalscorer! {Ed007's Note - Let me know when this strippers do is. Nudity and charity is an untapped, but probably popular, market.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:09:45
Personally I think the owners need to give us about 20-25 million. We can sell Carrol for around 18 mil with add-ons and we would have about 45 million to spend. Use about 20 on a top striker, perhaps around 15 on a quality winger and I still think we need a good defensive mid. Our defense looked quite awful yesterday and our midfield was mixed up 2 a few times, Lucas is still coming back and that defensive mid could go into defensive as we are looking short there with agger suspended. That would definately give us some new quality options and then we wouldn't have to rely on Joe Cole for 5 minutes every game. Just sign those 3 types of players, spend the money on a proven goal scorer and then find some good deals for the winger and defensive mid....Season is just starting!

Where are these 20 goal a season strikers?
Seriously, I cannot think of a single striker that is available for £20m nevermind one that would sign for us, that excites me too much. We need to coach our way out of this and sharpen the finishing of Luis & Borini

I can think of 1! Dempsey scored 17 last season and is valued at around 12m...so for the sake of 3 goals id take him and save 8m.
JOZLFC

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:08:40
I'm ranked 297 in the Liverpool rumours fantasy league, but hopefully Jagielka will score 12 goals against UTD and make at least 5 goal-line clearances. That'll put me in the mix for sure! Who else bought Aguero?

Me, I'm gutted! Also had michu and dyer in in the team and then took them both out! Basically I'm probably a lot lower than you in the league! Lol

Biggy Balls

I'm ranked one, yeehaaa!

Me, unfortunately.

RDL

Biggy balls, of course you did , :-) , im joint 54th or something with 2 chavskis to play midweek, lampard and terry. had podolski as captain, shows you what i know !!

How many are in the league? 200 or so?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:07:01
Tello plays tonight. So thats any ideas of a loan of him up in smoke. Rafa says he wont sign. No surprise, but can at least finally draw a line under it.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:03:19
to be honest BR not that high profile manager who can bring star player. why the hell he don't want to work under a DOF ?


hhh

Well he kept suarez and all the other stars want to play for him

Who cares about stars? I just want players who are great and can handle the premier league...doesn't matter if they are bargains...for example Michu cost Swansea only 3.5m

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:03:04
tello playing for barca tonight, won't be coming to liverpool now (if he ever was)

Confirmed by guillem balague in the studio

 

 

19 Aug 2012 20:02:12
I love football, I love Liverpool Football. It's been my one source of joy, pride and comfort since time immemorial.
However, it's also been the root cause of some of my most severe depressions and distress.

What amazing moments it has given with the one hand it has abrutly and rudely taken with the other, leaving only misery in its wake.
The bleak prospects of my beloved Liverpool don't help either. It's as though Sod's Law manifesting itself through us.

You know sometimes I'm tempted to resort to medically-induced amnesia/memory destruction, whatever they call. Remember noone, love noone, be hurt by noone. New start, clean slate.
It's exceedingly become difficult to remain positive.

hopeless

Noooo, don't jump! ;)

RedsMatt

I hate to admit it but I feel just the same, the first 2 paragraph sum it all up for me too, went through the heartbreak of heysel and hillsborough in attendance both times, all through the close season excited about the beginning of the new one, couldn't wait for saturday, 5pm walkin round the house telling myself nevermind there's always next year. shanks said football is not a matter of life and death it's much more important than that - or words to that effect and thaats just how i feel - do the players feel that way, i doubt it cos some of those performances yesterday prove d to me that they just don't get it!!
Stevie H

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:57:44
Real Vs Valencia finish 1-1. a small budget team can stop giant of world football.

Valencia manager pellegrino signed by rafa

Small budget team...
but class and quality player under quality manager......

The team set up and player bought by Unai Emre. I think he is a Master Villa Leave him when he was top of the form so do Mata and Silva but still he take Valencia to no 3.

r-r

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:57:06
Anyone think we should just stick Adam Morgan up top with borini and Suarez either side, just to see what he can do.

If this is the start of a rebuilding stage he would throw the youngsters in from time to time but i don`t think it will happen in the PL, that will prove the pressure is on him to get results because he will always play the poorer experienced ones, utd throw their kids into big games thats why they progress quicker, myself i would throw in morgan,suso and sterling into PL games this season with no problem at all,

After just one game?

Keith

Would much rather do that with Dempsey. Or Benzema, Higuain, or Falcoa. But I suppose Dempsey is more in our price range at the moment.

If we're not giving Carroll a go then we might as well try Morgan...couldn't do worse than what we did against WBA...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:57:05
hi eds and all,what do u think are chances are of signing dempsey soon r at all,we badly need him and he could just b the man to save rodgers neck,after reading rodgers interview after game,in which he says there will b more days like this,it isn exactly inspiring stuff,i posted a few weeks ago in which i said fsg will get out maybe this year with as little money spent as possible,i stick by what i said i am afraid they having got enough money to compete r put us back where we belong,and if they have they wont spend it.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:52:31
Not a rumour just a question would Liverpool fans take berbatov at Liverpool or who would you bring in as a realistic striker? Just wondering as rumours (unlikely to be true) that we will be given money for a striker

I would take Emile Hesksey upfront right now, our current so-called strikers are awful.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:51:00
Nice to see the decline and laughable football you lot are now producing ..Maybe you will now have respect for the club who are the best on merseyside and have spent just a fraction of what you lot have wasted ..have a great season lol

And maybe you will have respect for the Merseyside club who has won more trophies than you can ever dream of LOL!

Tool.

Effin nevertonian for ever in our shadow remember ur a small club. might aswell support tranmere rovers,

One game in and your giving it billy big spuds, lets talk on the last day of the season.

Bit premature there nick barnby. utd may give u a similar hidin that arsenal gave u 1st game up ,
5gold stars

Enjoy your 12th place, Bitter.

I commend Moyes for keeping you out of relegation.

- Something Red -

Are you on about tranmere

Easy tiger stick to you own site i wouldn't even think of typing your teams name in sends a shudder down my spine.

And you have won ALL those trophies under Moyes - was it 1995 when you last won anything?
Let's see the league positions next May eh, not after we've played 1 game.

Your clubs greatest ever achievement was coming above us in the league! I actually like everton but come back when your club has won a fraction of the trophies our club has! Oh and sign your posts.

Cheers
Daryll

Still bitter about the FA cup semi fella?
jonnybarnes89-90

I bet your looking forward to inviting evertons 1st team to goodison tomorrow mate.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:50:52
1 match into the new season and we are already topping the squandered chances table. Have we actually addressed the single most obvious problem we had last season, sticking the ball in the net is something we have found very difficult since sick note Torres went off the boil.
Please let's not be pinning all our hopes on Suarez to score 30 goals and get us into the top four. We know he is quality and that he can beat a man with ease but he is not a tevez type player who scores more often then not. We need to get Dempsey on board now or make sure Carroll is on the field. His influence on results is more positive then Suarez and how he was not on early in the second have yesterday was crazy. To give joe cole a run out before carroll is worrying.
If Carroll goes and Dempsey does not come in we are going to be finishing 40 points behind united again and it will all be down to a lack of a proven goal.
Prey BR see's the writing on the wall before the 31st or it's curtains .

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:49:58
sure gerrard may have had a poor game yesterday but this guy has been liverpools best player over the last 10 years and will have many more great games in the red shirt. He may pick up more injuries but when fit will always have a place in my team and i for one will never forget what he has gave and continues to give for the club.
also eds think rodgers will be a fantastic manager given patience and time to play his prefered style. My only concern would be he may lack a plan B if his first approach of exciting attacking football does not always work. I know we may sell andy to raise funds but in my opinion he would be that option for something different if needed. cheers davy

Actually I disagree that he has been our best player for the last 10 years....Suarez was our best player last season! {Ed001's Note - and what about the seasons Alonso was our best player, Gerrard always gets the glory for some reason.}

Go back and check. Poster actually said it himself: ....Gerrard.....has been....

Sure, Gerrard has been good for us in the past. 'Has been' and 'past' are the key words. He was not great the games he played last season, wasn't overly impressive in pre-season, and as for yesterday the less said the better. He's a legend and always will be, but we have to have a CAM who consistently plays at a high level. It's a very key position and without it we will suffer.

Totally agree with ed001. I was also trying to highlight the fact Gerard always seems to get the glory when players like alonso and Suarez have actually been the stand out players in the team.

Biggy balls

Reina's been fantastic too. Goalkeepers always get forgotten.

Gerrard hit his peak form when alonso came, and once he left, gerrard went back to being ordinary. If there is a world class midfielder we had, its alonso. Not mascherano or gerrard.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:48:51
Looks like sahin is moving to arsenal... has been reported on a german news channel as confirmed(not a rumour channel!)... if u look on arsenal page lots of talk about it...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:43:50
after all the banter thats been going on about wasted money,poor buys, to lighten things up after yesterday i would like your opinions on our worst buys ever! including you Eds
there should be fans of all ages so we should be able to go right back !
i'll start with 2 players
sean dundee (remember him!) & torben piknik !

wardie

Jean Michel Ferri, Paul Stewart, Igor Biscan, Antonio Nunez, Erik Meijer

Istvan Kozma... Take a bow son, take a bow.

Stevie.

For money spent on him, and what he does on the pitch, has to be downing, kenny must have been deluded to pay that for him, he's s#*t
Jonny 71

Ahoy - Ahoy Paul Stewart - just awful.

BOILED ONIONS {Ed001's Note - he gets my vote as the worst player I have ever seen, including Sunday pub league players.}

Jimmy carter David speedie itsvan kozma Julian dicks Neil ruddock phil babb tore bjorne kvarme frodde kippe nick tanner mark Walters paul ince David James djimi traore Bruno cheyrou diao el hadji diouf Danny murphy jean michel ferrer Bernard diomede josemi Antonio nunez David ngog Paisley's genius

Oh & poulsen & konchesky! Paisley's genius

Carroll. 35M was (and remains) outrageous.

Bruno cheyrou (the next zidane) ha ha

Ed001, I remember having this conversation with you a couple of years back! ha ha
Nice to see that you still hold "soul glo" Stewart in the same high regard...
jonnybarnes89-90
p.s does Karl Hienz Reidle come into anyone's thinking on our worst ever players.
On the lfc channel when they do the goals goals goals program.... I am still waiting to see a Reidle goal!!
jonnybarnes89-90 {Ed001's Note - I disliked Stewart just as much for his off field activities, he was only interested in getting drunk and into trouble. Bad enough he was such a dire player, but to not even bother to try on top of that, it was a disgrace. Souness was a truly dreadful manager.}

The worst player I can remember is Salif Diao. No redeeming characteristics at all. Not a great tackler, not a great passer, not great positionally, not particularly good at covering ground. And he made shocking error after shocking error. Meanwhile, Alou Diarra can't get out of the reserves and goes on to become a regular French international elsewhere.

At least with most other flops, you could see what the idea was. What little sliver of pace, strength or skill that was about the player that attracted the manager could be seen (okay, 'cept maybe Sean Dundee), but not with Diao. Nope. One goal and one decent cross for Heskey in his whole Liverpool career. Other flops like Keane and Aquilani did at least 10 times what he did having only played a handful of games.

- Something Red -

Downing is a great player compared to stewart and dundee !!!

What about christian zeige, lazy b******

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:39:43
anyone else think the owners buy some class in the transfer market or else get out of club all together
for last three seasons were buying average players for big money .spurs newcastle and arsenal are miles ahead of us cant compete with chelsea and city united are united so if this keeps up were looking at 8th to tenth again
so if you think its time for the owners to show their intent or else get out hit agree or disagree

Spurs, Arsenal and Newcastle ahead of us - behave:-
Arsenal - 7 years without a trophy
Newcastle - 44 years without a trophy
Spurs - 4 years

I think you're r******* and should find another club. If you lot put as much effort into supporting as you do moaning we'd have much much better fans.

Sorry, but it is not the owners fault that the significant investment they provided the club with were to buy 'average'players.

They backed kenny to spend more than 100 million it is not their fault it was not invested 'wisely'.

We are not Man City and will not spend massive amounts of money to get to the top.

The owners willl continue to provide investment, just not investment to the standards of you fifa educated youth.

JTR

I think its time you left the club

"Buying average players for big money"

Didn't realize the owners were responsible for recruiting and selecting new players.... Perhaps the owners are the ones who should be angry their money has been used so unwisely?

You have a very loose grip on the realities of life.

To be honest, the owners made significant investment, the mistake they made was to make KK manager and DC director of football and give them a huge budget which they squandered.

It sounds harsh but true, we had all this money last season and barring Suarez, every other player they bought failed to deliver and are still failing to deliver.

KK is a legend but once he steadied the ship the season before last, he should have stepped aside. Unfortunately the fans applied pressure on the new owners to make him manager, so we too need to take responsibility. Football clubs should never be run on sentiment, you have to be cutthroat to make them successful.

I still think lfc will do well this season, as BR needs more time to implement his philosophy. However we do need a proven striker to play up front with Suarez and borini. I like AC but he should only come on if plan A is not working. Hopefully the owners will have seen the game yesterday and realised we need more firepower upfront.

Biggy Balls

I am a f

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:34:42
Is it true that Liverpool have enquired about Adam Johnson part of the reason BR was at the Manchester City game today

LFC-KIPPA

Reason he was at the game is maybe coz we play them next? just a thought ha

Plz god no!!, if he wants to impliment a continental style, theres no point recruiting english , johnnson is garbage
5gold stars

^ Really hope not!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:29:11
Lets all stop dreaming, we're no longer the big name puller we used to be so lets concentrate on building with the team we have and add 1 or 2 more players of the same level.

I personally think we need to blood the likes of Shelvey, Suso and Sterling this season like KK did with Kelly last season.
Added to that lets go out and sign Dempsey for his goals from midfield and regardless of whether Carroll stays or goes lets sign Fletcher from Wolves. £16M should get us both and add the competition for places we need to keep players on their toes.

Personally I still think we'll finish in the top 5 this season and surprise a few people with the way we play.

YNWA red forever

I have to admit, they have already surprised me with the way they play lol

Benitez b n hodgson blooded kelly , dalglish didnt give sterling a chance until the very last home game, he just waisted 100mil
5gold stars

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:25:49
Hi eds! Do you think that's us done in the market now? Or can you see 1 more? Hopefully no outgoings though IMO. Regards. Paul {Ed002's Note - Not done yet.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:25:24
bad result yesterday guys but 24 hours later and after having my 3 year old son archie lash 2 or 3 past me into the top corner this afternoon in the garden its time to look on the bright side of life once again! aguero out injured next weekend so hopefully with a good rousing performance from the players (and the fans!) against city, maybe just maybe we could be level on points with the champions this time next week! not sooo bad after all eh guys! ps edd002 any truth in the archie / andy carroll swap rumours?...only joking andy i couldnt afford to feed ya big man! ;o))

So that's a positive their star player is injured and can't play against us! What have we as football fan's resorted to?

They don't have someone good to replace Aguero?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:22:18
regarding the next manager appointment can i put my name forward on two counts . i once took mourinhos coat off him when he came to our chinese restarant. i also have a 180 page dossier with all the meals on and wines.

wing wong

With those credentials on your CV, you've just crept ahead of Benitez on the paper sift.

Fortunately, because that will hopefully mean BR has got things sorted, I understand there won't be a vacancy for some time to come.

John B

180 pages of meals and wines? must take your customers all night just to look through the menu before they can decide what they want

He's having a go at Brendan's 180-page dossier and how he worked under JM.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:18:05
Just wondering if Brendan Rodgers was at City today to arrange deal for Adam Johnson, or is this no longer a viable option?

Johnson downing whats the difference

No he was there cause were playing city next weekend i dont think there is going to be any more activity in the market think its time the owners moved on with half the team

My guess is he was merely watching them ahead of our league game.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:12:15
This is Ridiculous, we have a new manager and he has explained that he is building a team and it may take a while to get them playing the way he wants.
A bit of time does not mean one pre season where the majority of his senior players were absent due to other commitments. So why all the Hysteria? It was a terrible game, a shocking defeat, it happens.

But they are playing BR way ,I have never seen a defence like that in my life, not even at pub football . Yet last season agger and skert where best partnership . Cheers psv

That saki naka football not work. or he may not know what is it.

Last season, before lucas got injured, we were the best defence in the league. We were also the team that had created amongst the highest number of chances. The main issue was not having the cutting edge to up front to play with Suarez. Borini is not that person and it seems that BR has totally missed the point last summer and is not concentrating on what needs to be done. Instead he thinks that the whole team needs to play 'his' way. Problem is that there was nothing wrong in the way they were playing last season.
Sign a decent front-man or you won't last the season BR.....

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:09:43
So one bad day at the office and the world as fell apart. Lets get positive and look forward to a massive week. First a english Scottish clash and a game we have to be up for and a good result will be either win or a goal scoring draw. It will be interesting to see what line up he plays. But we need a team with lots of energy.

Then on Sunday I predict we will beat City as good as they are we can get at them. Maybe without Aguero although I don't wish any injury on anybody. But they still have a fine squad.

So let's be positive and let's get two positive results.

Mighty reds

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:08:47
we all have a opinion and we should,but we should be realistic.
if you need to put carra on who stopped playing 2 years ago and cole who has done nothing since he was a free agent.
shelvey was the best player in pre season on the bench.
downing same nonsense as last year runs and then stops.
we need more quality with rafa we had quality on the pitch the bench was weak but now we are so bad,after a goal down we cant come back

FFS - bring back an out of work ex-manager that is unable to get a job anywhere else because the style of football he plays is dire, and that was with the " quality " he supposedly had on the pitch and on the bench.

John B

We have adam, henderson and caroll on the bench...60 mill combined...now thats quality

 

 

19 Aug 2012 19:01:45
Fulham & Liverpool have agreed a fee for the signing of the U.S international Clint Dempsey. He will become LFC's 3rd signing.

Insider~ {Ed002's Note - Third after Borini, Allen and Assaidi is that?}

Bloody well hope you're not telling porkies because we need some serious help up front.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:58:21
Anfield iron or Anfield irony. It's somewhat ironic that the biggest shout during recent weeks, was to hold on to our two central defenders at all costs and they both cock up in the opening game. Hopefully that was a one off and normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

No kidding, eh? Bit worried that Agger and Skrtel are both too slow to play the back of a 4-3-3 and not sure Coates is up to it either. Think we may need Sama/Wisdom sooner rather than later...

And your opinion of a Uruguayan International centre half is based on what?
Players get confidence by playing - not by sitting on the bench and being given 15 minutes every now and again, which may be the reason AC plays without confidence.

My opinion of Coates is based on watching him play the handful of times he has plus his international games. Added to which the managers we've had see him in training and yet still select Carragher over him. Frankly I think he was another in the long list of poor signings and he's really not that young.

Coates will be leaving us soon...the fact that he can't get playing time ahead of Carra means he will look elsewhere if he hasn't already done so...shame coz I think he will be great

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:58:06
I'm sorry to say this but why the hell as Ian Ayre not been sacked along with the other has beens like king kenny , comolli, how the hell could Ayre sell Liverpool Fc to any player he looks like death warmed up ,Maybe if BR yesterday would have give time off to carragher and gerrard and said get yourself over to Spain and speak to Sahin ,he would now be wearing the red of Liverpool and not arsenal ....

Ian ayre looks like death warmed up

lol this made me laugh

What the ??

Nonsense!

The Irish Rover

In general, I agree. "Promote" Ayre to head Conmercial Development or whatever you want to call it and bring in an established, quality managing director type. Honestly think this may well be one of our biggest problems...

Kenny is not a has been

Kenny was not given a chance by Henry

BR is not even a has been he is a never been and will always be so

Kenny had a year and a half! Shockingly bad signings that made little sense tactically and were way overpriced, poor field tactics and substitutions, a complete inability to handle the media, the whole Suarez controversy- do I need to go on?

He brings lots of sponsorship
Eg standard chartered etc etc
Before calling him has-been go and search what he brings to the club and how he has helped liverpool fc get huge sponsors where liverpool are not in champion league or playing in highest leve you fool

Any chance we can make signing posts a requirement Eds?
Tired of trying to work out which a trolls and which are just persons....

BigBadBen {Ed002's Note - Many of the other club pages have most posts signed.}

Stick this post in the crap bin where it belongs please Ed's.
A quick look at how our revenues have increased even without the champions league money should be enough to show everyone what a great job Ayre is doing.
Obviously not!
Just because we lose a match does not mean we should sack everyone and start again.... FSG will do that at the end of the season if it is needed! As they have already shown.
jonnybarnes89-90 {Ed001's Note - as a commercial director, he is top notch, as anything else, no thanks, he is no leader as was shown last season when he failed to lead the club at all.}

We tried to bring a 'negotiator' in but he refused the offer. It was David Dein.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:57:02
A few things glaringly obvious for me yesterday and they are that Suarez needs to be moved to the left of the three, a proven goalscorer should be drafted into the striker position and Stuart Downing will, more often than not, let the team down a bucket load! Granted Stevie didnt have his best game but he has earned more lee-way than Downing ever will!

Ciario

Gerrard has earned more leeway then any LFC player


Gerrard can't be blamed the book stops with BR

Ironically its the buck stops with BR

Wrong attitude entirely. No player earns leeway- they should all be treated the same otherwise you will have big, big problems on your hands. No player is bigger than the club and this includes Stevie.

I'd like to hear the arguements as to how giving any player leeway benefits the club whatsoever. Do tell.

- Logic

ITs grewat logic to kick one of LFC's best servants Gerrard when he's down

Kepp it up - what Ass*oles

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:49:45
Please BR drop gerrard or downing for the hearts game on Thursday and play suso. He will probably do well plus it may waken them up. He could play AM or RW

Gerard r u serious u muppet if anyone is entitled to have a bad game its him he has carried us for years and i think he has acouple of good seasons left .cmv05

Well he Is right gerrard got agger sent off giving ball away to easy I think suso needs a chance or he is off he could be next best thing .wen gerrard gets injured we will have no1 there no dought gerrard hasn't carried us for years But he won't carry us for ever

Suso has gone to spain for 3 days, he wont be back until Thursday
tel 1949

Entitled to have a bad game...maybe

but he should be dropped for his attitude...it was disgraceful

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:47:46
In my opinion we need a couple of quality players. I realised after yesterday how far we are away. We need a world class striker and may have to spend big to get one. I also think we need to offer big wages to attract this player. It could be roberto sold ado. If we qualify for champions league we can cash in as we could then attract a top striker. If I was in charge I would buy Ramirez for the AM role and a top striker. Perhaps David villa on a loan deal or buy jovetic.

Villa won't come and we can afford Jovetic

What do you class as a couple ? 11

Jovetic world class striker really?? as good a player as he is do you even know how many goals he has scored for fiorentina? 22 goals in 3 seasons isn't exactly the "world class" goalscoring record you seem to think we need. don't get me wrong i would love to see jovetic at liverpool but he is not the answer to our lack of goals so in all honesty im glad your not in charge

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:46:27
ed,

am i missing something with regard to radamel falcao,
to me he seems to be one of the best finishers in the world,yet i never hear any club making a move for him(save a few whispers from chelsea).
in 85 appearances for porto and atletico madrid he has bashed in 65 goals,he is 26 and at his peak.also a devout christian so unlikely to be in a drunk in a casino and fall off his barstoll.they bought him for 40 mil euro,but are in financial trouble so may sell.if fsg are out of cash then they are 70 million liverpool fans in the world,€1 each will cover the transfer fee and wages,
i will leave the details of how to collect the money from every one to you...

red jay {Ed002's Note - There has been interest in Falcao from a couple of clubs but it has been met with a not for sale flag being waved.}

Its a pity ,he would fit perfect into our team and what we sorely lack
gmil

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:46:16
So we lose 1 game and suddenly people forget about the other 37 wow...and calling for his head? Can't want to check this site out after we beat man city on Sunday, and we will beat them. Remember the name when we do.

U don't leave ur name...

I dont think anyone is calling for his head,we are just very upset with the nature of the performance yesterday especially after performing so well in the home defeat of gomel. we cant play that badly again. if we are still playing this crap after ten games then maybe time to start calling forhis head

You havent put a name to your post so we can remember you next week i wonder why

alan waddle

Is that mancini.

The namewas tom1975

tom1975
and i wont be calling for his head next weekeither

You're optimistic if you think we'll beat man city!

Hopefully we do beat City. If you've lost hope then go home and forget football ever existed.

It would have to be a miraculous turnaround for us to beat City this weekend...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:44:04
How about m.owen..cn b a good back up striker,can surely finish ,fits well with the style we play.
Red horse

Since 2009: 35 app. 5 goals.

Smokin...

BigBadBen

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:44:01
Footy is footy, forget the convenient tactics excuse. There experienced Pro's at LFC. From kids up theyve played all sorts of formations. Highly paid played all over place and most International 9 outve the eleven were regulars.And cant pass ball a to b. I dont have answers. But this work in progress was trotted out by Kenny also. IT AINT GOOD ENOUGH WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. And this relates to last season also NOT one game

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:43:57
Eds or Macca lot of rumours about rodgers been givin extra funds to bring in a quality striker have u heard anything about this? Thanks in advance
gmil

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:43:31
To the people saying rogers out.... He is the manager and not you .. get behind him or go support man utd. End of the day we were bad but, rogers is the manger not us. Do you really think you would do a better job managing he team. All most fans would do is sign people because they are good on FIFA an fm12

Hopefully Rodgers will have learned 10 things yesterday.

1. As Bob Paisley once said play a left back at left back.
2. Our CB's are too slow, our full backs left them exposed yesterday and Lucas needs to be deployed just in front of them to intercept through balls made to fast attackers.
3. Stewart Downing is not going to improve.
4. Suarez is not a prolific central striker.
5. Joe Cole can never kick a ball for LFC again.
6. Jamie Carragher is no longer first team quality.
7. Steven Gerrard's reckless running and passing leaves the rest of the midfield exposed.
8. Currently and ironically Andy Carroll is probably our most dangerous front man.
9. We still need a top notch poacher.
10. Our confidence is brittle that if we don't score early in a match we quickly lose any self belief or keep the composure that is needed to get get any sort of result from a game, especially if we are losing.

If I missed anything please add.

Casper

More than one defender on the bench? then we wouldn't have gotten stuck with Carra in there

How about getting players in before the season starts, not wait until the end of the transfer window. Every Liverpool transfer turns into a soap opera.........

I think you've just about summed it up there Casper, pretty much spot on buddy.

Ozone

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:40:16
In raffa we trust.

Never have them words rang ture than now. They last 2 years we have been a shambles. God know how much miney we have wasted on paying off mangers.

It was such a shame that raffa last seasson what under the colaspe of Hicks and co. He has to sell players to try and keep the club solvet.

I hope somehow one day he comes back. Because with BR we will be a mid table at best. Just my view but i am very worried for the future.

Thanks raffa for the good times, we seem a different team back then.

Redend

Broken record redbeend

Yeah - thanks Benitez for being the one manager every other fan in the country wanted us to keep - and for treating us to dire football for 6 years ( with the odd exception).
If he was any good he wouldn't still be out of work - even the lower teams in La Liga haven't offered him a job - what does that tell you?

John B

Look I'm a massive Raffa fun but this nonsence doesn't help. I think it's about time we all started singing off the hymn sheet. Raffa gave us some great times, but he is not in charge at this time. BR is and he deserves our full backing.
RNred

Let's all get misty eyed....
Don't get me wrong, Rafa did a lot of good things. Plenty of long term vision (academy work etc) and One off tactics.
But being honest, he won the CL with someone else's squad, p**ed money up the wall on a veritable catalogue of nonentities, and thought Gareth Barry would replace Alonso (because Alonso wanted to be at the birth of his child...)
Fact.

Leave him be. Back our manager.
BigBadBen

Well BigBadBen, there's another way of looking at it.

Rafa inherited a team that was just barely a top 4 side. And the only reason it was a top 4 side (Michael Owen and his 19 league goals the previous campaign) couldn't leave fast enough. Yet, he won the Champions League and FA Cup in his first two seasons, despite having to take risks on comparatively cheap players because he had to buy 4-5 at a time to maintain sufficient squad depth to stay in the Top 4 and make a decent cup here or there. Who was he supposed to sign instead of Mark Gonzales, for example? No one? And even under those constraints, in that time he brought in Reina, Agger, Mascher, Alonso, Skrtel, Torres and even Benayoun. Players we'd all kill for now, or are desperate to keep.

He eventually put together a team that made a genuine title challenge, (only our 3rd genuine one since we last won it) only to be denied by frankly freak performances by Federico Macheda and Andriy Arshavin.

When he finally had enough squad depth that he only needed to buy a couple of players to finish it, he made a mistake with Keane and Dossena, and wasn't afforded the oppurtunity to recover from it (how different could 09/10 have been if he was able to sign Jovetic?) because Hicks and Gillet were on borrowed time and borrowed money, and they ran out of both. Fergie or Wenger make mistakes (and they do make mistakes. Otherwise Paul Scholes would still be enjoying his retirement), they get a chance to recover. Rafa didn't. So that compounded it and made seem even worse than it was. He ultimately paid for that with his job, and possibly his career as a football manager. Which I think to be totally unfair on the man.

His last season, which at the time was so inexcusably shocking that he needed to go, we finished 7th and were in the Semi Final of the Europa League. If that happened to us this season, we'd grumble, but we'd probably accept it as 'transition' or 'progress' and get on with next season. For most of Rafa's reign, we were 4th or better in the table, yet people still moaned about his tactics, his signings, not playing Steven Gerrard in his 'favoured' position in which he's never done anything etc. But we'd give our right arms for that now. Funny how things change, eh?

All that being said, Rafael Benitez Maudes is no longer Liverpool manager. Brendan Rodgers is. And I do agree that we should be backing Rodgers rather than tearing up for Rafa. I'm confident Rodgers can become a Liverpool great if given time.

I just feel Rafa is too easily dismissed sometimes.

- Something Red -

The season when we just missed out on the title, we scored the most goals in the premier league...how the f... is that dire football?!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:36:49
I sincerly hope Some of the powers that be are taking note of majority of posts on here.Its not good enough and aint been for years. No more excuses

I hope not. If our mercurial fans dictated their decisions we'd haphazardly sign Eden Hazard, have Benitez as DOF, Torres would be back, Aquilani would be forced to play for us, Agger would be gone, Carra retired, Sterling would be a starter, Newcastle would have Carrol, we'd be broke, in debt and have a massive wage bill and then have to buy out all the players and staff to replace them to accomodate our next whimsical majority decision!

Fact is the majority are fickle, short-sighted and prone to mood swings. Let's let fans be fans and have the owners run the show.

I know few people will be reading this far back, but I just wanted to say that reply is excellent.

- Something Red -

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:35:58
Liverpool will be just fine. Nobody could stop Gera's goal. Then a freaky penalty. The last goal was down to Lukaku being left unmarked because of 10 men. Majority will think I'm dilusional but I'm really confident enugh about top 4 to sign.
SLODGE

Like your optimism Slodge but we are in decline surely u can see this?
TT

Please explain the freaky penalty.? If you push or trip someone up in the box it a penalty simple.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:32:47
Did you see that finish by Lambert? Why cant our players do that? Its got to the point that I would be nervous if one of ourplayers just had to tap it in on the goalline.

Hounsred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:31:39
Heard liverpool will bid 3 million to sign rickie lambert from southampton, proven goalscorer cheap and life long liverpool fan.

Heard it here first

James Owens yNwA

What a rediculous post!

Kind regards

The southern res

Pls leave the kid alone...let him play wer he is.......

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:28:56
Sahin to Arsenal, Tello deal collapsing due to unresolveable dillemas, LFC not showing substantial interest in Dempsey. Not that we are in a position of pure desperation, but judging by our squad on paper, and yesterday's opener (though it was only the first game), we need to bring in 2 or 3 substantial players. Whether or not it's possible within our budget, players like Ramirez (again) and Callejón (again) are crucial additions for a top four push. They are proven, awesome players (unlike Borini for example, as it currently stands). We need depth to push us back to where we belong.

Ezotezz

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:28:17
Maybe its me but I am sick and tired of hearing it will take time to impose a certain style on our play, no magic wand, won't happen overnight etc etc.
To me this is just an excuse when you loose football matches.

We are easy to beat and have been for a while - Why quite simply the players are not good enough. Apart from Suarez I am struggling to remember a player we have signed and thought 'he's making a difference' words such as poor, anonymous, indifferent seem to describe our signings. We seem to give the same excuses for our new signings. It will take time for them to settle, they are playing at a higher level, need to understand system. Could it just be that they are not at the standard we require. Did we say the same thing about Alonso, Maschereno, Torres, Arberloa (great debut v Barca) even Sissoko NO.


We have 11 days before the transfer window shuts. Make no mistake its 11 days that will shape our season. Since January 2011 we have spent over £65million on strikers and still not have got one that can be described as prolific. Our midfield attacking options are limited as well. Its ok say we are building for the future but its about the here and now. Its the here and now that is putting off players like Sahin not coming to LFC. As Macca states quite often wait until the end of the transfer window before being negative. At present this has been a poor transfer window. I am not excited by it at all.

Everton I hate to say have signed two players Jelavic and Mirrallas seem to have more quality than we do in attack. How sad is that.

11 DAYS AND COUNTING!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:27:47
gerrard didnt have his best game,i would like to see sterling and suso given more time on the pitch in the 1st team, cole should be offered back to west ham where it all started for him. Id drive adam where ever he wanted, also spearing is not Liverpool material maybe notts county or tranmere?

YNWA COCKO

Yet only one you mentioned got any game time yesterday so your point is.

Kopping a feel

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:26:24
if sahin has chosen arsenal then who are we looking to bring in?
any ideas

Some average player in the premier league most probably am sick of losing out on good players.
A

Any player we bring in permanently apart from possibly Dempsey will have swans DNA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:24:29
I'm very disappointed we didn't get sahin losing a player to arsenal who seem to sell all their best ones. We cant or wont spend money to buy proven quality in Dempsey and don't tell me Liverpool cant find 10-12m when they spent 15m on Allen and i don't care about his age 29 is not old you need some experience in your team not just youth. Don't normally rant but getting fed up of Liverpool losing out on players. Very bad weekend but onwards and upward i suppose.

RED KENNY

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:23:29
Just watching the highlights of the game (recorded it) and its not as bad as everyone is making it. The first half we dominated. Then ofcourse the random goal out of no where again comes along there is nothing we could of done. Once again bad luck. Second half we could of came back but the ref decides the game by giving a ludicrous red card and two penalties. Then suarez can't finish so obvious we need Dempsey quick because we would of had a few goals. Also I'd like to point out downing was terrible! Omg he lost the ball so many times. Let's just see what happens against man c. This football weekend could not of got much worse even in my fantasy team I had aguero!

Larki

No, no no...bad luck agin..I'm sick of fans and KD and everyone else blaming bad luck. Simple as this - we weren't clinical, we weren't even capable of finishing the chances we created. The 1st penalty was a penalty and the ref had no choice but to red card the player. So sick of people on about luck and bad refereeing. If we can't admit to the problems how are we going to find solutions!

The fact is mate,we lost 3-0.Only the result counts

I'm sorry but every game I watch i see big teams dominate and fair enough they can finish but they never get wonder strikes against them? And it Wernt a penalty it was outside the box with a light touch

Shane Long was very, very cute for both pens. In fact, I'd call it cheating. Unfortunately Phil Dowd was only too happy to buy them. Did we really deserve 3 yellows and a red card? We're just too easy a target at the minute and when something goes against us, we haven't got the balls, or mental fortitude to fight back....

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:22:35
noticing that the city arsenal and united game are all at home could well kick our season right off!! the only team in the top four to beat us at home is arsenal if my mind tell me correctly we could possibly control these matches just watching city scrape past the siants proves that without silva they struggled without him on form aguero looks likely to miss out against us also united midfeild isnt as strong as it used to be i can see them struggling abit now aresnal no RVP means no CL football for them next season i also see them meeting us in the final part of the europa league (if we get through to it of course) the toon and spurs game last night made me feel like pulling my eyes out ....not watching the chelsea game earlier i cant really tell you much about them apart from they are really really weak at the back if terry or cahill gets injured and out for a few month could blow there chase for title to peices because luiz is a lunatic on the ball :) spurs without adebayour have not got really much upfront defoe and VDV slowing rapidly by the end of last season and will do again

jayblair89

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:22:11
My brother has just returned from a buisness trip in Madrid.One of the guys he had a meeting with is a massive Real Madrid fan and he seems to think that Alonso wants out of Madrid and would love a return to Liverpool,Alonsos family loved it when they lived in England apparently.Fingers crossed,would love him back at Anfield.

It's all just one big merrygoround!

dmedly

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:21:35
Does any one else agree that we should go all out to sign Llorente? He's available and would be perfect upfront with Suarez.
Dempsey would give us some width too.

Come on Rodgers, all we need is a natural finisher!

YNWA

Red Lee {Ed002's Note - Juve looks the likely destination right now.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:19:58
regarding Maccas last post that the club were still confident of sahin signing, has that stance altered? I really hope he wasn't watching yesterday.

Cheers
Greggers

Sahin has signed for arsenal ,why the hell would he want to come to Liverpool after watching that bunch of primadonnas of yesterday game

Sahin hasn't signed for anyone yet.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:19:23
Ed/Macca, What's happening? are we closing in on Sahin or any other targets? is anyone close to signing? are we in for a striker with a good goal ratio? yesterday was horrible, i was crushed.
Daniel91

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:17:25
HI Everyone
Sahin has joined Arsenal 100 % true.

I'm not sure if we needed him ,but we are struggling to attract top players. Allen is a good prospect ,Borini we'll wait and see. Assadi was plan b.

Macca said Sahin and Tello were very close to signing and both were not interested in moving to Liverpool.
Walcott won't sign because he wants to stay at Arsenal , he will sign a new contract soon. Dempsey is in the balance and he too may join Arsenal.

I think we're in the rubbish as far as any more players arriving in this window. we will have to accept we don't have the money to buy a top player and we just not the attractive club we once were. No one else will arrive.

Are you 100% sure?
Reports " strongly " suggest he may join Arsenal, that's from Yahoo/Eurosport.
RM site and Marca still haven't confirmed it. and Marca still saying Mourinho wants him to go to Liverpool.

Who knows, Mourinho might get his wish, he certainly has a say in where he goes.

John B

It's not up to Mourinho where he goes

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:16:24
As a Swansea fan, I can only thank Liverpool for the £22m you have given us in the last couple of months. I listened to the Radio 5 special a couple of nights ago where the owners described a new philosophy of attacking football and the media-friendly, key-word utterings of Mr Rodgers. Let's get a couple of things sorted out here - Rodgers inherited a philosophy and a squad which was built by Roberto Martinez and the Swansea City board led by a supporters trust and a board led by the wonderful Huw Jenkins. You can shove dossiers up your proverbial backside. The 4 second rule is something every decent coach of an under-10s side in the Swansea Junior League has practiced for the last couple of years. Today, and in pre-season, Swansea have played the most effective attacking football we have played for years - through-balls to wingers who come inside, quicker balls to the likes of Michu and de Guzman. Thanks to Laudrup. Brendan is an arms around the shoulder manager and a student of the Mourinho school of managament. Very Media-savvy.

And you are a moron

Souza dismantled Martinez' philosophy and team. A little distrespectful to Rodgers to be honest, he was the man who got Swansea promoted and kept them up to. In the same way Rafa Benitez won the European Cup with a lot of players from Houllier... One game and he has turned into a or always has been a terrible coach. Behave yourself, you are starting to sound like a Newcastle fan. Wind your neck in until you actually achieve something.

To be honest Swansea fan, if not for Vorm's heroic antics in the first half, I think QPR would have skewered you and last time I checked Vorm was signed by BR. Think you're quite lucky to have such an amazing keeper.

Rather than insult the guy, why don't you just acknowledge the point. Rodgers hasn't proved to the contrary as of yet. He is clearly media savvy and Martinez did lay down the infrastructure at Swansea. It's a bit arrogant attempting to denounce an opinion when there really isn't any sold grounds to argue otherwise.

Eighteen months from now it may well unfold that the yanks were that wet behind the ears that they were seduced by a media savvy person with a dossier. There again it may well be that given time, Rodgers may go down as one of the best managers we've had. Only time will tell but in the meantime you can only go on the facts.

Ozone

It is possible that the owners made a mistake in appointing Rodgers ahead of Laudrup...time will tell

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:16:01
one thing i always get annoyed, ppl on this site always compare other teams bad results and think if other team lost its ok if we lost??
wrong mentality, we should always look who's above us and not beneath us,
after yesterday result ppl say well spurs lost,arsenal drew,
well we want to win and not lose. if the team was poor thats why they lost simple

we will never be as good as 08/09 for another 5yrs or more

Bring back Rafa.....

DK London

ps sahin gone,soon we will do some panic buy like carrol and waste money

RAFA can attract players and thats more then a FACT

Pip down... Rafa's gone for a reason ! he was boring, we finished 7th, he's likes to put poor players on lucrative contract's. FACT

I want BR to be a success, but from what i have seen since may is nothing good will come of this.
I still believe that raffa is the only chance we have left to ever be a top side.

In raffa we trust

At least the mediocre players like smicer, luis garcia,traore,baros won us the champions league under rafa, can you see the likes of downing,adam,spearing, carroll doing this.
rafa had one bad season, in his reign we were beating the mancs,barcelona,real madrid,ac milan etc, we don`t know how good we had it until now

Cant we offer Rafa the DOF...
I mean he will bring players from spain..
alonso and torres...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:15:50
Pep segura quits, we lose out on sahin and get spanked by WBA. When things start looking up at Liverpool we always get kicked back down a few more steps.

So true am so gutted...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:13:48
hi eds, hope you allow this post, i still believe we need a goalscorer, any chance next signing will be a goalscorer?, im not naming names like cavani pedro etc, but one that we could attract? thankss

Kevin mirallas...joined everton...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:10:59
Please please let's just look at this result,and get our heads around the fact that we are in yet another period of rebuilding under another new manager with another plan which requires more new players.I do feel that we have responsible owners who have invested money not only on new signings but on paying off contracts which ed002 has on more than one occasion pointed out.the owners will want a return on that investment and will know the only way of getting it is by success on and off the field.So come on let's support them support BR and every player that wears the red shirt and be the best supporters in the world that we claim to be, and that we are known to be ! I hope we do bring in the striker we need to score the goals we need but we need to be patient and remember chelsea man city and psg are not the norm but the exception to the rule with regards to finances available, so be patient and be supportive of what I still believe is the greatest football team in the world
Boofs bro

Spot on.
BigBadBen

Why do we have to bring in a striker when we already have one in borini play him in middle suarez behind got to be worth a try

 

 

19 Aug 2012 18:06:49
All of us are very disappointed after yesterday's result, but I can't believe the number of posters on here wanting Steven Gerrard dropped from the team after one admittedly, really poor performance. It was only last week that people were saying that he looked fitter than he had done for ages! If anyone is entitled to a poor performance it is him!
People who think we will be a better team without him want to take a look at yourselves, we'll end up in a worse position without him. It's 1 game in a 38 game season, we've still got 37 to go, so lets get behind Brendan and the team!

Jimbo.

Cant agree more m8 !

kopace

This has been our najor problem in the last few years. There is no back up for gerrard. If he is out of form or injured there is no one to take over. This is why someone like sahin was so important. I hope my prayers for sahin are listened.

The problem is that when Stevie is in a poor mood (as he appeared to be yesterday) he drags down the whole team with him. Conversely, when he's up for it and has a positive attitude, the whole team elevates their game. Unfortunately as he's gotten older he seems to have more off days than on. He basically needs to sort out his attitude or be less influential.

All good things come to an end

I think we should sign james McCarthy as gerrards long term replacement seems to have all the attributes & those beating up on Steven gerrard have a think eh? Carried a lot over the years Paisley's genius

Lay off stevie ffs, one bad game and hes finished come on people {Ed001's Note - how many bad games did he have last season? And the season before? He has a lot more bad games than good over the last few years.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:59:51
Let Morgan have a go

Let Carroll have a go

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:55:17
First time poster here, now is it me or am I the only person in the world who watching live in the pub yesterday felt the Agger incident was OUTSIDE THE BOX! When I saw the replay I was even more convinced, he brushed long at best, but most importantly it started OUTSIDE THE BOX. I for one hope LFC appeal. Phil Dowd should be reffing in league 2 for the next 6 weeks. But that wont happen he'll probably get a pay rise.
Don't get me started with the Skrtel incident. Farce.
For me the first pen was a guilty pen, long knew he'd cheated us and I knew he'd miss. He then cheated us again and not surprisingly gave the ball to Odemwingie. And people say Suarez dives, The difference being Suarez gets booked, even when genuinely chopped down.

Rant over.

Carlito74

The first was tenuous the second laughable I was embarrassed for long (Tom Daley looked on in admiration though!) & dowd already made his mind up before the game. Paisley's genius

I think you're right. I think the ref deflected the ball into the net as well. The whole reason we finished 8th last season was the ref. The reason top players dont want to sign -refereeing decisions obviously. The ref made KD buy AC for 35M and I'm sure the ref will ruin our season as well. With this type of thinking we dont have to blame any players, managers or owners.

It is disheartening to play a footie match when you see the referee not calling anything for you. Not saying that was the only problem with Liverpool at West Brom yesterday, but that alone can take alot of wind out of your sails. Joe Allen looked great but wasn't on the same page as all of the other Liverpool players (something that will hopefully be resolved as they practice more together). For me Shelvey or Adam should have started instead, they are not as good as Allen but more familiar with rest of team.

While I think there is a danger in putting too much emphasis on the referee's influence, both penalty's were soft but were both fouls I think, not sure about whether Agger's was in the box or not. I do believe however that if either of those was a penalty then so was the Ridgewell on Borini. How Olsson avoided cards is beyond me, especially given the yellow for Suarez. It always baffles me that you can go though the back of a player with a forearm to the head but heaven forbid you have a go at an official from 45 yards. All that being said, we were the reason we lost. Too many missed chances early, giving the ball away too often and a backline that looked disjointed. Lots of work to do but there were some really good sign in the first half. On to the next challenge now. Heads up and mind on.

Andy K

Can't blame the ref for the loss but he used his influence to the fullest and didn't shy from seeming one-sided.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:54:31
First time posting here so go easy...it's not transfer news just wanted to give my opinion....Siggurdsson missed out on, Sahin missed out on, Tello did not want to come, Ramirez available but not bid on, Dempsey available not bid on....Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi gone....I saw us play yesterday and as much as I'm going to back Rodgers, there must have been 5/6players who turned up and the rest well what can I say...I guess like all other fellow reds I'm a bit worried that we still need some additions but it's just not happening yet....we need to get in Dempsey fast, possibly another striker or attacking midfielder and also a right winger Walcott please....as I said not having a go who am I to do that....but a passionate reds fan who only wants the best and fearing that we're running out of time this transfer window! YNWA!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:54:00
Rodgers was there at City vs Southampton game. Is it possible that we are looking at Djecko(pardon my spelling), Eds? He is surplus to their requirement, and we need someone like him. {Ed006's Note - Have you forgotten Andy Carroll?}

Course he was there we play them next week.

Sorry Ed I think dzeko is a little more mobile than carrol that being said he was probably scouting city who we have next week

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:47:37
I think Rodgers needs an old head to help him him settle at the club. Someone familiar with the 'Liverpool way'.
Is it too soon for Dalglish? Do you not think a Kenny-Rodgers partnership would work?
If not, what about good, old Roy Evans? Surely, a Roy-Rodgers partnership would be a success.
Maybe Brendan would benefit from an old Liverpool hand at board level helping him liaise with the owners. David Moores, perhaps. A Rodgers-Moores pairing would help with communications with FSG.
But why not go back to the Shankly era and bring in big Larry Lloyd? I'd love to see a coupling of Rodgers-Lloyd Pack our trophy cabinet, once more.
Rigsby.

Post of the day so far!
BigBadBen

Very funny Rigsby.

The Irish Rover

Where did you come from? Maybe we get Rush back as we do need a top striker. I'm sure someone could hold little Brendans hand. Under Dalglish we had the worst finish for decades.

Rodgers already thinks he's Shankly going by the way he acts.

Great post.

Ozone

Or David Fairclough could be DOF - for a Ginger/Rodgers combination?

John Candy for an Uncle Buck/Rodgers partnership?

Is there no-one in football called Hammerstein?!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:45:09
Within the next two weeks we must:

Sell: Adam (5m), Spearing (1m), Cole (3m), Downing (10m)

Position changes: Play Suarez on the wing, make Coates our 3rd choice centre back replacing the woeful carragher, drop Gerrard if he puts in a similar disinterested, lazy performance in our next game, not use Johnson or kelly as LB.

Buy:
A creative central player in midfield who has similar dribbling and skill to Suarez and can link up well with the attack e.g. Ramirez, Diego, Honda
A natural goalscorer who is likely to hit 15+ a season, this is essential! I can't think of a realistic one of the top of my head but the scouts to need to find (last resort Dempsey).
A natural winger to replace Downing with pace and the ability to beat a man like Assaidi seems to be able to do e.g. James Rodriguez, Callejon, Belhanda

We will then have a a player to cut through from the middle of midfield, some pace and skill on the wing and someone who can actually convert the many chances we seem to create. Forget about Jack Butland, we have a limited budget and a top goalkeeper (on his day) in reina, so we cant be spending that budget on goalkeepers when we clearly have scoring problems!

I know it's quite alot of money but the owners need to understand that spending big money on top players (not mediocre) is the way forward. Player sales will likely recoup around 18m if we're lucky.
With these changes implemented I believe we'll have a fine chance of getting 4th place. Bring on City (fingers crossed).

Ray H

That would make us top 4.

Ray h i agree with most of your post, as i said very similar about two weeks ago i said to sign two or three mature international players , i quoted deigi and honda , as they both suit that criteria , without being to expensive. i also said, more controversioally, torres back, as another poster had said gerrard was up for that apperently, but another forward, similar experience and price would be fine by me. i also said top four would be very possible with those additions. steviep62

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:59:14
Sahin's gone to Arsenal, no Tello, no Dempsey if reports of us pulling out are true going to b another long season of misery if we don't find any more transfers

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:55:57
Hi ed, Great site. I am from India and loves you all because here only i can get quick and correct information regarding Liverpool transfers and also increasing my knowledge about this beautifull game with your and Macca's correct informations and answers.I know ed u have answered it thousands of time but here in India general feeling is that Sahin has opt for Arsenal so either u(ed002) or Macca can give me right information regarding Sahin. Please answer me.
Indian Rajiv {Ed002's Note - I would say that Sahin is less likely to move to Liverpool than elsewhere Rajiv. We will know in a day or two.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:43:55
Ricky lambert?? Worth a punt! Proven goal scorer! Wouldn't break the bank! What you reckon?

What and steven fletcher to partner him? haha. no.

Said same ages ago on here

Said same ages ago on here

Better than Carroll and Borini

Hes 30 u mug
What a typical rubbish fan with a typical knee jerk reaction


LTP

MOTD fever kicking in again.

Some posters on here keep rubbishing these players who are supposedly not good enough to play for us...have you seen our players the last two seasons? we could certainly use these players...a little respect please

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:20:01
FSG have reported given Brendan Rodgers 25-35m to spend on a high-class striker. This could make Rodgers' 4th signing this transfer period.
What do you think Ed's is it true ?? {Ed006's Note - I hope so. We will see.}

Where did you get this from? I hope to God your right. Ed is it a case of FSG like to see for themselves by ie yesterdays performance, how lacking we maybe in certain areas? Because God only knows why we didnt get Top class forward before seasons start. Its been so b oody obvious for all last season we need one. I just dont get it {Ed002's Note - Don't drag me in to this.}

I wrote earlier that i had heard br had contacted fsg today to ask for funds for a new striker and they were considering it so hopefully with what u are saying they have agreed to it .... steve

Where is this from?

Where was this reported, not saying you made it up, but i would like to see for myself before making judgement, would be great news if true

Even if true, who can we actually attract that's worth the money? The way I see it is Liverpool are in a massive transition an not them team we were 7 years ago where people wanna be here. There ate players yes but want CL an realistically that won't happen for 2-3 years. Sorry to be negative but that's the stance now. CRANK

From what I can gather spending 25 or even 35 million is not as easy a it sounds.

In order to get a world class striker they normally want champions league... if they don't have opportunity of CL, the other thing they like is a lot of money in wages - Let's look at Van Persie as an example (forgetting age and so on, this is an example...) -
Could Liverpool afford 24million? yes
Would he come to Liverpool for same wage as Utd? No
What would have made possibly consider him come? Start off at about 300,000 a week I'd say.

It's what City had to do... and it opens a can of worms for a club who wants to run itself in a good financial way like FSG...

1. Paying huge wages does not fit with FSGs transfer policy

2. 'Top' players already at Liverpool would not be happy..

3. All subsequent transfers would also be aware that Liverpool pay higher wages.

The whole thing spirals out of control and you need to be a 'rick oil Sheik' to bank roll it.

I think FSG want to buy top players but they know they can't without Champions League because of the wages these players want.

Get Llorente if he's available!

Nick

So who are these top players already at Liverpool that would be upset at paying a superstar 300k a week, certainly you don't mean Carra, or Stevie G or Suarez, now thats funny!

Lolz

Not gonna happen. We might perhaps spring for another striker if Carroll goes, but I think it's unlikely to be a Llorente/Cavani/Higuain sort.

I found it on some page , so I ask is it true :D

Oil sheiks are not named Rick.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:34:36
Do you know if it is true that if Carroll is sold, we well owe Newcastle 25% of the sale or the profit of it?

pronin {Ed002's Note - I don't see there being too much of a profit.}

How we low we have fallen, constantly been taken the pee of by Newcastle who themselves are one the traditional joke clubs in the English leagues.

Nollo

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:33:00
In reality Adam, Downing and Cole will probably all be here this season. If they struggle I hope that BR gives youth a chance. Sterling, Suso and Shelvey all deserve a shot, at least from the bench. I know they can't play 90 minutes week in week out, but cameo's yes. We look like we lack anyone bar Suarez and Allen, with much confidence on the ball. Gerrard plays well with space and time, but looked uncomfortable being pressed constantly yesterday, as did Borini and Downing.

Shelvey may lack experience, but he make up for that in confidence and ability. He seems to have gained a little more balance to his play and know when to sit back and when to push on. Sterling is a player full backs will hate. He does lack a little game intelligance, but that's understandable. That said he will leave players flat footed like he did against Bayern and will really stretch teams.

Suso is a little of a unknown quantity. In some ways he looks a future number 10. A perfect fit to thread passes, take free kicks and use that creativity and skill so effectively. To go this amount of time without having a sniff of the first team says something and perhaps his physique isn't there yet. I know a lot argue about Silva, Aguero etc, but their upper body strength is much better than most imagine. I hope his attitude is right, as a fear an opportunity to head back to Spain may mean we never reap any of the rewards Rodolfo and he youth staff have put in.

Just to make us all feel a little better City have just gone 2-1 down to the Saints. Nobodies perfect then.

Papa G

Agree Morgan and co,couldnt do any worse

And now they are 3-2 up

good thing no aguero against us

How can you have any faith in Rodgers to play the younger lads,when he chose to play Johnson on the left, instead of young Robbo.He had an ageing, slow Carra, as cover for the centre backs,when Coates is sitting in the stands.Brings an injury prone, Joe Cole, onto the field,when young Jonjo would have been a better choice.

Jiminy Cricket

Jiminy right on the mark...

the subs by Rodgers were horrendous...

I believe he is a good manager...but along with our team's play during the game, he truly choked it against WBA...

hopefully we can improve dramatically

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:28:54
Been a big fan of rickie lambert since his bristol rovers days, if brendan rodgers had any sense he would sign him he'd easily get 20+ a season with the chances our team makes, and hes a scouser and liverpool fan! And he proved it at the etihad today!

Scho YnWa {Ed006's Note - we released him at 15 years old. If fans cry about Borini imagine what would happen if we sign him.}

Disagree Ed, at 15 a lotve players need another route before they develop. Not the same as re buying a 26 year old. And anyhow so shortve of a natural finisher or goals right now, no one cares where or who/how. Just get a goalscorer, and he wouldnt cost much. Could bring him in AND a big name. Because in that area were sadly lacking. I dont see its much risk especially way weve been now for a year regarding goals

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:17:15
It looks likely that Sahin is not joining us. So when we miss out on him do you think Rodgers has a back up plan to sign another midfielder? Who do you think would be the back up?

Hopefully jordy claise

Would you join us after that pityfull surrender yesterday?!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:17:14
Dear Eds,
Reading some of the posts it would appear that the transfer window is firmly closed! By my reckoning we have another 12 days, for sure yesterday's match was a disappointment, didn't see lots of replays of Agger incident, but my 1st reaction was penalty and he'd be lucky to stay on as he was the last man. The Skertl penalty was a joke, but the ref had shown himself to be a "homer" in the 1st half..

In my humble opinion, we need to get rid of Downing, Cole, Spearing, Adam all need to leave. This will help lower our wage bill quite considerably (which seems to be a major concern for the mgt/owners) Carroll is a tough one, clearly he was and is not worth 35mm, he does not fit in with BR's plans. We will prob get between 15-20mm for him, but who do we replace him with?

Stevie G had a terrible game, he kept giving the ball away and didn't track back, in my view he is no longer an automatic pick.

Carra should be moved over to the coaching team ASAP (he can help bring along the young defenders we have), he was a wonderful player, but he cant cut it now, maybe early rounds of cup competitions.

Thank you for your balanced and in some cases extremely detailed explanations.

Steve, in Miami

Now come on mate. if carragher wants to stay then why not let him stay. i'm sure kelly and coates have learned lods off him by simply training with him. i am still going to back downing but i agree that cole and adam should go. i am very much on the fance about spearing.
derryred

Steve fact is the deficiancies shouldve been obvious for all to see, just look at goals scored column last season. And therefore Addressed before startve season. Never mind x amount of days till window shuts. What are we gona do now, panic buy like we did with Carroll again?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:09:54
Any chance in James Milner Eds, surely he can't be happy with starting on the bench all the time

Just what we need - another midfielder. And he's not a winger, before you say he is!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:09:13
I hate to be so negative but I think we are going to go like Nottingham Forest. We need major investment in players but i guess that happened last year. If we could turn back the clock to last summer and had invested in proper players instead of the crap we bought.

Adam
Downing
Henderson
Enrique
Doni
Coates (jury still out with this one)

Or turned the clock back further...

Carroll

If City bought these they would just write them off and send them out on loan. We can't compete with that! May be it is time for new owners to try and sell Liverpool off like that Thai guy who was city owner but realised he could not compete and sold to current Arab owners.


steve068

Why do you call all of our players c**p? they are not nearly as c**p as the s**t you type. hendo, carroll, coates, enrique and adam still have their best years ahead of them.
derryred

Totally agree but will have to be proven again before blind on here see

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:08:35
well ed im just hoping we sign a striker we need 1 in asap,i feel sorry for are big andy gutted for him looks like he will be on his way.i so hope rodger's would have a change of heart on the big lad,but i know he wont if he goes please take downer,cole,adam with yer.come on lfc get it together...jay essex red for life red till dead

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:07:12
Rodgers telling Liverpool fans to expect "quite a few more defeats like that this season" that apsaloutly ridiculous!
It's just a scared manager making excuses in advance. Maby if u give your players confidence by being positive they won't loose that meny. Instead of covering yur own arse. I hate that from Rodgers. Your managing Liverpool football club! Not swansea!

I agree that was a totally outrageous thing to say, now I'm not anti Rodgers at all but he can't say things like that, it say's to me he doesn't really get the mentality of our fans. We expect way more than a comment like that.

Didnt know he said that. Awfull gone right down now in my estimation if thats true. It gives them an excuse to perform badly

Jeez have some faith,hes probably right!

Actually, it is because of knee jerk reactions like yours that he needs to come out and give you a reality check. We have lots of work to do and it is going to take time. As the result, we will have some off games. That is all he is saying.

Andy K

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:05:44
eds is there any interest in a out and out striker, that can actually get us goals, i only know of one, dempsey but hes not gunna get us 20 goals a season, that is where we are severly slacking atm, and i cant see us improving on last years performance without one.

M-H {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}

There isn't any earlier answers...

{Ed006's Note - try the search function.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:05:11
Hi ed's......is this site sponsored by championship manager by any chance?! Lol

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:03:30
We have a squad capabil of winning games we beat every team that finished in the top 4 last season.

Here's a thought. A manager who wins ges rather than a manager that will deliver tiki taka football. Long down the line.

HR

We did not beat Man Utd or Man City Or Tottenham last season in the league...

G BOX

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:00:16
I believe we have a very good team that can match the current top four and a very knowledgeable manager with a great phliosophy, however even a blind man can see we are desperately in need of a striker. If saurez was able to convert atleast two of he's chances, bare in mind a qualitly foward would have taken atleast two of them, then I belive we would have come out of the game with the three points and the atmosphere on this site would have been completely different as it is to now. In complete honesty I would sacrafice the purchase/loaning of Sahin, Dempsey and Johnson just so we can accquire a proven goalscorer in the ink of cavani (I'm not say it should be cavani) who is a very good finisher. In a nutshell, FSG just break the bank and no doubt we will look foward to CL football next season.

Cheerio

S-U-B

 

 

19 Aug 2012 17:01:01
all these so called fans...negative after negative after negative ....we lost one game how many teams go through a season unbeaten...give it time as stated it is not a quick fix situation obviously we do not have the financial clout of man city or chelsea or even spurs...it'll come have faith for god's sake

Sure all teams lose sometimes, even United or City could have lost yesterday against West Brom, they could of had a bad day at the office too, but still it would be an upset rather than a normal event. The difference is we lose these kind of games all the time and have no excuses left to defend these now regular defeats and abysmal performances We have to admit this is now a normal result for us, and all the negativity it creates is also now unavoidable.

Jed

The three disagrees change it all.
derryred

Oh so your ok getting beat by a mid table side. When were packed with experience and star names

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:53:46
BR was shown at the Man City/Southampton game. Is he there looking at Johnson or another player?

Probably the whole City team seeing as we play them next week.

Or maybe just watching city as we are playing them next week...

M-H

We have them on sunday..

Tom.

Probably there to try and understand how not to have 8 goals scored against us ...........we r in big trouble

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:53:46
BR was shown at the Man City/Southampton game. Is he there looking at Johnson or another player?

{Ed006's Note - Probably looking at that 17 year old from Southampton.}

Or because we've got city next week!

Ed more than likely looking city b4 they play liverpool next week

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:51:31
For all their mishaps if suarez Lucas and the back 4 plus reina left we would be worse. If anyone else leaves little would change with our performances.
Hope s
We can keep Suarez because if he left I would not trust the club to improve on things with a replacement for him.
Even scoring 11 out of 34 league games, his positioning and movement and presence when players like Johnson and..... Well no one else at the moment as bellers is gone, but he excites the crowd and looks dangerous.
However the old man gerrard, immobile Adam and other pretty passers would love a proper finisher instead of Carroll to complete their moves.
Scoring goals is the hardest thing in football a keeping them out is the second hardest.

If Luis Lucas and Reina did leave we'd be relegated! After watching the Gomel game at Anfield i was very impressed with the team performance! after watching that yesterday i'm very worried! I've never seen a side carelessly give the ball away as LFC do! And that's been happening for a couple of year's now!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:47:25
just goes to show that the madness of last summer has crippled us , 100mil + on that garbage n i mean all of them carroll henderson adam downing ( i know carrol bought in jan) , dalglishs madness , our purse is very light n we cannot afford to bring in the quality, its so frustrating and depressing , maybe were all a bit fickle to think we can just sign these top players sahin etc , i just hope rogers can work some magic n at least make us competetive with newcastle spurs n everton , so dispondant,
5gold stars

Tell you what - no way Henderson would have been as bad as Stevie G yesterday.

Despondent after one match?

How many games on one leg has he dragged us out, dont mention henderson n gerard in same sentence, if he was any sort of a player ferguson would have sniffed him out , especially wen his love child bruce was in charge, instead he brought old man scholes back, henderson aint an lfc player end of,
5gold stars

Dispondant due to quality players been recruited by other teams, not like we were up with them last season
5gopld stars

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:42:08
I know its early days and i watched the match yesterday but unless we sign some high profile striker within this transfer window and give the likes of sterling a chance then we will struggle to finish anywere near the top 6. Liverpool have some very very good players but trying to make these players understand each other is a concern. i know we need to give rodgers a chance but lets just sign a good player now instead of going down the lower leagues for not so proven players like rodgers reckons is the best way. We need someone now not in 5 years time. If things dont change by christmas then we have major problems and Rodgers will walk as too much pressure will break him.. BRING THE SPANIARD BACK..I know he plays boring football but didnt we win trophies by doing that..hughesey

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:41:53
Just spotted Brendan Rodgers at the City-Southampton game.

Wonder if he is looking at any player in particular or just there for "fun"

Carl

He's at the city game, because we play them next?
Bizarre
JamieMK9

Yeah, I'm sure he's there for fun or to watch a specific player to sign and not there to see our next opponents play.

- Something Red -

Maybe cos we are playing city

We r playing city nxt week duh!, n we cant afford any of the players in city line up, that adam johnnson is a headless chicken , dont want him
5gold stars

Or because Liverpool happen to play Man City next Sunday...

Reid the Red

No we have city next week at anfield !

We r playing city nxt week duh!, n we cant afford any of the players in city line up, that adam johnnson is a headless chicken , dont want him
5gold stars

Or because Liverpool happen to play Man City next Sunday...

Reid the Red

No we have city next week at anfield !

U really are thick how about our next game is man city

Maybe he's there to watch City as we have them next ? - Just a thought ;)

I'd imagine he's there to watch our next opponents.

Or to scout next weeks opponents perhaps?! Especially as Adam Johnson isn't even in the squad!

Hes there to tie up the signing of Ken

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:33:52
Carroll is off to Spurs or Newcastle, fee of around 18m...

Spearing is set to leave to Forest for 3m...

Rodgers will use that money to bring in a striker, Dempsey and a utility defender.

All this stuff about Dempsey in the media is BS, just clever negotiating tactics being used by Liverpool.

Adebayor, Gameiro, Walcott are amongst the targets to play upfront. They are all different types, Rodgers currently assessing which one would be best.

Sorry but we do not have clever negotiating tactics. We express and interest, p*** around and annoy the other club and then we pay what they want.

We are very poor at this negotiating game.

Orrin

Why replace Carroll with Adebayor??

Because Adebayor is about 10x better?

Would love adeybyour.Guy who disagrees and compares with Carroll knows jack obviously. Walcott be ok also. And as far as i know still aint signed a contract

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:33:26
Eds in all your respected opinions
How long would you see the club last if under the
Control of the vast number of "Expert financial Wizard"
On here today wanting to splash "Their" millions

Less time than it took Hicks and Gillette to bring us to the brink of ruin.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:32:19
The following are what i believe Liverpool should do this season:

1. Find a negotiator that can get deals done quickly and cheaply and not have them always drag on and on. Also bring in somebody that is actually any good at scouting.
2. Quietly ease both Stevie G and Jamie C out of the first team picture.
3. Accept we will finish no higher than sixth so blood the youngsters such as Sterling and Suso by giving them long runs in the team. Accepting this may take the pressure off the players. Better to see now if they will hack it than when they are older. we have time then to do something.
4. Stop accepting that the brendan Rodger style is something ground breaking. It is not.

A bit more detail on the above items:

1. If Liverpool want to progress they need to make 1 significant signing, it is somebody that can bloody negotiate transfers. We really need somebody that buys good players at good prices and closes the deal quickly before somebody else enters. Both Newcastle and Arsenal have business people that negotiate hard. We seem to be ripped off at everything we do.

This summer Arsenal have taken Cazorla (€15million reported here in Spain) and Sahin (€2million loan plus €6 million option to buy) for the same price nearly as we paid for Joe Allen.

2. We have been easing Jamie C out of the first team for the last couple of seasons, but we need to do it with Stevie G.

Stevie has been a great servant and it is a pity he will finish his career without a League winners medal. But from the games so far he has lost a lot of the Physicality that made him one of the best players in the world. The legs have gone and he is not really a player that plays possession football well. His game has never been about discipline which rodgers requires.

3. As for this season, i am already convinced this is another rebuilding season just like the last 20 seasons or so.

Let me say it now. We will not gain a champions league place this year. This is not pessimism, it is being realisism. I believe we will finish in 6th place. I believe that the two manchester clubs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle have stronger squads than we have. In a cup competition in 1 off games we can beat anybody but ver a 38 game slog we really do not have the strength in depth to compete.

In my opinion, our squad is weaker than it was last season (Allen assaidi and Borini) against (Maxi, Kyut and Bellamy). While, apart from Tottenham, our rivals have strengthened. Even without van Persie, Arsenal are a much stronger team than they were last year.

We really needed a couple of the teams to weaken to give us a shout but this has not happened.

We should then blood the youngsters. Give them lengthy runs in the team and see what they are made of. Accepting that we are not going to make the Champions league now will take the pressure off them and allow them to take risks in their play and not make them scared of trying something.

The Owners requiring a Champion league finish will have to wait.

4. Now I have been a Liverpool fan for close to 40 years and I have kept my council since Brendan Rodgers arrived.

Brendan Rodgers is not selling us anything we have not had before. He has just packaged it using the current flavour of the month Barcelona and Spain.So we need to stop thinking this is new to Liverpool. Thi style is in our Genetic make up.

The Liverpool of the late seventies and early eighties were one of the first to pioneer this style Barcelona currently play, based around keeping possession, pressing high up the pitch and holding a high defensive line.

Ian Rush was probably the best defender we had for many years due to his constant harassing of defenders that resulted in the ball being kicked back to us lots.

We had defenders (like Lawrenson) who could recover when the offside trap did not work.

Rodgers needs to show this season that there is an improvement from last year. This will involve us getting closer to the top 4 points wise and that we have a far better record against the teams in the bottom half.

From there let us see where we are for the start of the 2013/14 season and see if we are in a position to attack the top 4.

Orrin Middleton

Ian rush best defender? Really? Thought he was a forward? Hmm

Easing Gerrard out of the team implies that we have better players in reserve. We don't. To be honest, most teams don't. I agree that he doesn't have great discipline in possession of the ball, but he'll do enough, even though he is getting on a bit, to make up for that, imo.

Barring injury, Gerrard will be a regular starter until he's 34 at least, and he will justify that position too. Just watch.

- Something Red -

Easing Gerrard out of the team implies that we have better players in reserve. We don't. To be honest, most teams don't. I agree that he doesn't have great discipline in possession of the ball, but he'll do enough, even though he is getting on a bit, to make up for that, imo.

Barring injury, Gerrard will be a regular starter until he's 34 at least, and he will justify that position too. Just watch.

- Something Red -

You have been a supporter for over 40 years and you think Ian Rush was our best defender ?

Rush comment i get mate=Defending from front, clowns

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:30:58
really gutted it looks like we're missing out on sahin the only quality player we've had a chance of signing and we've missed out can't say i blame him for choosing arsenal over us after our last couple of seasons. im really worrying for our club financially we can't compete with other teams we dont have the attraction to overseas players due to no champions leaguenand each season we are getting worse and worse god knows how long it will be before we can start attracting topbquality players. sorry for the down beat tone but my dad and bro are man utd supporters as are quite a few of my mates so it makes our downfall even harder too bare.

FFS - if we had a chance of signing him, we would have - the player himself has actually shown no desire to come to LFC yet, he is checking ALL his options, one of which would be to stay at RM, which is what he probably wants to do.
If he can't do that why rush into a move, sadly Arsenal offer - the lure of London (don't know what that lure is of course ) and CL football.

John B

We take too long and Sahin probably correctly on yesterdays performance prefers Arsenal

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:21:21
Macca,
can you please tell us the latest on Sahin and also are we planning to make further signings?
And what's going on with Andy Carroll?

Would be much appreciated,
Thanks in advance,

Phil F

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:20:59
Macca, what's the situation with sahin.. Reports suggest he'll be a arsenal player.. Are LFC still confident on getting him or has arsenal got their player? Would love to know. Cheers
LFC-Aussie

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:19:07
So Sahin to arsenal ... Great... We are screaming out for a world class player to step in whilst the young lads learn the ropes. Now we've lost yet another transfer target that should have been wrapped up. It's a long road a head now lads but we've got to keep our chins up.

Dempsey to sign before the city match and efforts to sign 2 more players to give more offensive depth to the squad in progress. Also heard Owen interested in an anfield return but lfc aren't interested.

ynwa and keep the Fatih

Red1972

Hope your right re signings

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:10:11
We as fans get so frustrated after one bad day.....imagine what the players might be feeling or for that matter even BR..... we keep talking to get likes of cavani, sahin, cazorla, hazard to anfield.... if it was as easy as FIFA then we would have been champions..... transfer dealings are not as easy as they seem..... even the manager must be wanting to get the superstars but we are not a CL team n CL is a big factor for the superstar players......
If your a true LFC supporter dont judge after one game, wait for the first ten games.....if after 10 games we have 19-20 points I would be happy looking at our fixtures....

YNWA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:22:58
Rodgers is going to struggle to do better than King Kenny did in his first season. If he fails to improve the owners have to sack him as poor league results was the reason they sacked Kenny. Who's next? Martinez?

Michael laudrup

Absolute rubbish, the owners have installed Rodgers with a long term plan. Its about gradual progress not instant success

This is what I was afraid of after the treatment Kenny got from some sections of the fans.

'Rodgers out' was a mantra with some dweebs before we'd even kicked a ball, now they're probably delighted cos we lost a match 3-0. If we lose to City, they won't be able to contain themselves.

Even Hodgson got 7 games.

Here's reality: If we sack Rodgers this season, that'll be 3 managers sacked since FSG took over. Most established managers will look at that and pass. The only two managers with any sort of track record who'll touch us are Harry Redknapp (and he might pass depending on what his control of transfers is. Also, I'd rather have major bowel surgery without anesthetic than have him as Liverpool manager) and Rafa Benitez.

West Brom was 1 game. Fulham and Swansea aren't going to battle it out for the league title off the back of their first day, are they? And even if it wasn't Rodgers needs to be given time. You can't expect consistent results by ditching managers every year.

If not well... at least we can dust off our Rafa flags. For about 5 months until he gets sacked as well.

- Something Red -

Think the difference is dud players brought in at great cost think borini does not have 15 goals in him for the season this maybe a sticky point later in the season but br should be safe 0-3 to wba did not see that coming cheers mal

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:55:40
Hi eds..... I would like to know that would we now get a 'star' loan signing now that sahin seems set to go to arsenal....

YNWA

{Ed006's Note - We will see.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:50:29
Brendan Rodgers warned there will be 'more days like this along the way' while rebuilding Liverpool after his side crashed 3-0 at West Brom.

Errm you got that right at least Brendan, the next four games spring to mind already!


KD

Is that you Mr. Dalglish?

Taking th p*ss out of Kenny is bad form

Why not take the P*ss out of Rogers

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:48:37
So a bbc reporter saying Sahin is going arsenal.

FSG get the hell out of our club and sell it to people with ambition.

Without kuyt, maxi and bellamy we are infact WORSE than last season.

Got a couple good youngster who will come good but we've waited far to long for a club of our stature.

We need owners with the financial clout a man city and chelsea who can buy us the players to compete a the top.

Ive supported our wonderful club for close to 15 years so dont give me that go support someone else malarky.

You guys with your forever optimistic attitude are also a part of the problem, yes ill always support our club but wont sit here like losing is the norm.

If we had that attitude with hicks and gillet we'd probably in league flippin 1 by now,

Im a winner, Liverpool WERE winners if we dont get CL this year say goodbye to Suarez.

FSG stop treating us like persons and pull ya finger out.

Shak Attack

{Ed006's Note - We all want to win but win the right way. Not buy our way into winning.}

Which premier league champion of the last five years hasnt bought their way to winning ed????

{Ed006's Note - Manchester United.}

Can't wait for school to start again.

MIKEY

Man united have spent obscene amounts in the last 5 years.

When have United not bought the league?, in fact as the poster says, when has any team not bought the league?
Hasn't occurred very often in the last 40 years.

{Ed006's Note - Im sure Fergie would bet otherwise. They have spent money on it but he gets them to gel and works hard. City have bought players then if they dont perform loaned them to Italy and bought better. If we had have won it 08/09 how would we have won it? Bought it or Won it in a 3 man team?}

When have United not bought the league?, in fact as the poster says, when has any team not bought the league?
Hasn't occurred very often in the last 40 years.

Great idea! I'll post the ad immediately-

'Historic football club looking for bazillionaire with cash burning a hole in his pocket.'

Where on Earth do you get the idea that we can just 'request' rich owners? Is there a queue outside of Anfield that I've missed?

As has Liverpool. What, 150M+ in the last four windows? That's a pretty decent chunk of money, really. Not the owners fault most of it was not spent well.

It's obvious you've only supported for 15 years, OP. If you'd been a supporter in Souness years, you'd know what hard times really are lol

Ed006, realy, man utd wtf, they have spent massively over the last 20 years not just the last 5, rvp and kagawa alone have cost almost 40 million, the difference between us and man utd unfortunately and i hate to say it is that man utd will very nearly always bring in players that will make an immediate impact on the first 11, sadly we don't and for that reason and that reason alone we wont be playing champions league for a long time.
Jaydee ynwa

Ed mate united have spent alot of money on transfers and wages in the last 5 years. Van persie will cost upwards of 70 million in total including wages.

Theyve also sorted out their stadium, we havent coz our owners are skint in football terms.

Id love to compete at the highest level without spending but its near impossible to do it, at most we'll be like spurs, lucky to find a few gems, who will leave if u dnt get CL footy.

Man city, barca, real madrid, chelsea united, psg etc etc will be no where trying to win doing it how we are trying to do things.

Spending 32 mill on hazard is bette business than 20 million on a downing. Because a player like that will help u get CL money.

Speculate to accumilate, we've spent alot of money (using the money made from selling other players) and bought mediocre players so maybe we need to sack our scouts.

I agree with Ed.

Most of Man U's midfield has been around a while, same with Rooney and Ferdinand. Van der Saar needed replacing.

RVP was pricey but so were Berba and Ferdinand but those don't happen every window. Not only that, Berba sits on the bench whereas City would have cut their losses and bought another flavour of the week!

Now let's address the fact that many, many posters have called for us to spend money, want the owners out for being 'cheap' etc, and these fans also point out that most of our rivals are spending more than us.

It takes money to compete but there is a difference between buying success versus having to work and live with costly investments that sometimes don't work out.

Ed006 is right you noobs.

It takes money to make money.

Pool fans keep asking for a cash-injection and complain all our rivals are spending more.

Our rivals didn't buy 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th. They had limited finances, had occasional bad investments (like us) and had to work with them (like us) very much unlike City. Yes, Man U is one of those clubs much like us in that regard.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:04:13
HI Eds. Do you think it could be possible we would bid for Van Der Vaart from Tottenham? Versitile player and on bench yesterday for start of game. Thoughts please. {Ed002's Note - He was on the bench as he is only good for about 45 minutes a game. I don't see a bid going in for him from Liverpool.}

I'm sorry ed 6, but united's squad cost more than the man city squad.

Nick

{Ed006's Note - Can you confirm this for me please because I think you are wrong.}

I'm sorry ed 6, but united's squad cost more than the man city squad.

Nick

I'm sorry ed 6, but united's squad cost more than the man city squad.

Nick {Ed006's Note - tell me how?}

No they didnt nick?
gareth

 

 

19 Aug 2012 16:00:33
time and time again for the last 20 years ive heard the same old begining of season postulation. We will win this we will do this this year, i think most need a reality check.

We have been in disarray for the past 2 decades, we had Moores and Parry, both inept at taking the club forward, then we had the 2 cowboys who promised all but delivered little. These people borrowed fortunes to try and make a quick buck short term.

Now we have FSG who at first seemed like the saviours of LFC but after 2 years many fans are sceptical they can actually deliver what they said was supposed to be taking the club forward.

Yes they have delivered on the commercial side, long overdue because of the previous regimes who were clueless, yes they spent a lot of monies last year but we also recouped a good proportion back through sales.

I have supported the reds for 51 years, seen the great times and now the bad, because lets be honest it is bordering bad at this moment, managers coming and going causes unrest in the squad too.

If i were FSG i would sit and think if they can honestly compete in this world of football, they need to make it known to the man woman and child who contribute towards the running of the club just what they are intending to do short and longterm.

All i read if waffle in im honest, not all fans are persons and thinking we are is insulting, we are very knowledgeable people and demand/expect answers for the direction which the clubs future is going, we need to know about the stadium issue.

Yes we know its not a simple decision but its now been years when you factor in the other 2 cowboys, bite the bullit and build a 75,000 seater with Everton, share the costs, call it what you like but in this day and age a club like LFC needs finances to compete, this kills 2 birds with 1 stone.

As for the squad, well we need 3 maybe 4 quality signings to compete at the highest level, its not rocket science, changing personnel every 12 months isnt the answer either, its unsettilng for the club and fans alike, we need stability, we need direction, we need investment, and most of all we need transparancy.

Scouse red.

I think they have been pretty transparent. They want the club to finance itself, at least mid to long term, and clearly aren't going to fund the purchase of 100M+ in players every window beyond what the club is able to afford. JWH (and others) gave been pretty clear that a new stadium makes very little fiscal sense and a redevelopment would provide much better return on the investment. Guess I'm not sure what isn't clear?

"we are very knowledgeable people and demand/expect answers for the direction" Sorry, sir - do you own or have shares in the club? Otherwise I don't think you're in a position to demand answers, unless you have a wad load of hard cash to convince the owners otherwise. Thank you. Singred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:57:42
I think the owners should give brendan the same cash kenny was given to shape his own team , They cant expect brendan to make a leather jacket with a ball of wool ! Its quite clear that some of the players dont suit the passing game or high tempo pressure (pressing high up the pitch ) The new gaffer needs time but higher calibre players are a must , Last season came back to haunt us yesterday and im afraid there will be too many days like this if he doesnt get a decent amount of cash before the window closes !

kopace {Ed002's Note - They don't have that cash available.}

I know they dont ed 02 but if you look at the spending since the owners come and sales i dont think they have thrown a lot of money at it ! Great that they have come in and put us in a good financial position but you know better than most that we need real cash in the prem these days to try and get into the cl positions , I loved kenny to bits but were now in a position were brendan needs to get out kennys aquisitions , like kenny was gettin rid off rafa and hodgsons deadwood ! p.s i think rodgers will do well but cl no chance on shoe string budget !

kopace {Ed002's Note - You need to look beyond the spending on transfers. Folks keep throwing in net transfer spending figures but somehow forget who picks up the day-to-day running costs for the club. Taking in to account all transfer buying and selling and all other club related costs - they are running at a loss over the past two years of around £1M per week. That obviously cannot be sustained.}

Well, they've given him roughly 30M so far which is pretty much what Kenny got as I recall (factoring in sales and such). Unfortunately we don't have a Torres we can get 50M+ for and the club kept the most valuable asset we had (Suarez).

They might of given him 30 mill so far but chelsea were 5th last season and have spent 30 mill on 1 player and 25 on another and so on , so they know they have to spend to get back in the top four ! thats all im sayin , im not a doom merchant but reallistically we need more dough to get back up there !

kopace {Ed002's Note - Comparisons are of no relevance. Chelsea had an aging squad (Anelka, Drogba, Bosingwa, Malouda) that needed refreshing. They were always going to spend.}

I know you wont agree with me ed but you have just said it ! they are replacing older players with top class signins (not sayin there goin to be revelations ) but the point being is they (roman ) know you have to spend big to compete at the top or get to the top ! thanks for your co-op ed02 !

kopace {Ed002's Note - You don't seem to be able to grasp that Liverpool simply do not have large amounts of money to spend.}

Abramovich doesn't know it takes a lot of money but he hopes it does.

We don't know it can be done without it but we hope it can.

Just because money and success have gone hand-in-hand before don't be so rash

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:55:40
Hi eds..... I would like to know that would we now get a 'star' loan signing now that sahin seems set to go to arsenal....

YNWA {Ed002's Note - I would not know, sorry.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:50:29
Brendan Rodgers warned there will be 'more days like this along the way' while rebuilding Liverpool after his side crashed 3-0 at West Brom.

Errm you got that right at least Brendan, the next four games spring to mind already!


KD

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:40:41
Ed I've posted three times today any particular reason why they asking ain't gone up, i'll l leave my email see if that makes a difference.
Jonson {Ed002's Note - I have not seen them Jonson so if they are being cut another Ed has done it.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:38:48
Just proves how far away we are sahin moving to arsenal even after mourinho wanted liverpool move and alonso and even thats not enough?

How much was yesterdays 3-0 embarrasing defeat to west bron id a said he seen that n thought nahh no thanks!

Our ian ayre is a clown

Thanks for the opinion Krusty

It's most appreciated coming from an obvious Clown expert!!

Ian Ayre

What did Ian Ayre have to do with yesterday's performance? You said yourslef that it would have put Sahin off then blame Ayre. Make up your mind.

I have supported Liverpool since 1958, we have become a joke. After 52 year I have had it. {Ed002's Note - You mean 54 years.}

^ He did'nt start going in the boy's pen till he was 2 Ed002!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:38:42
do people believe arsenal have got the march on us for sahin.

Scouse ben {Ed002's Note - Clearly they do.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:38:24
Eds what are all these comments about ' it'll take time' etc etc.. I don't understand!.
When you take your car the garage then the mechanic will look at it and fix it.
If you poach a mechanic from formula 1 because he's the best there is the. Your car is now running like a dream.

What I'm trying to say is that a fooballer has to have a degree of talent make it professional. So a footballer who cost millions upon millions must have such ability as to be able to adapt, focus and know his role.
Your either talanted or not!.. Simples.

This 'it takes time', is a complete kop out, an excuse, a way out.

My dad moved to Australia a ew years ago, along with selling his house for a decent fee, the car and also searching for a home out there he finally sold the house and car and bought a house with plan tickets.

However he still had to find a job and wait 6 months for his furniture to travel by boat including his bed, my sisters bed and the sofa (I don't live with him but with my mum and they are half sisters)

So 6 months into moving country and continent he has got a settled bungalow with a pool and his stuff, however it was helped to settle to the new area by making new friends as his old friends still live here. Obviously the footballers don't have to search for a job but they havea very similar change as my dad.

The new players need a few things to be happy; and a happy player plays better than a sad player.

1) A settled home, with kids and stuff

2) Friends, without friends they can't find out all the good spots, such as restaraunts, shops or schools (provided they have children)

3) They need to understand the fellow players, Messi speaks Spanish, Gerrard speaks English, if Messi signed for Liverpool he would have to learn English to understand Stevie, plus we play dfferent to Barcelona, they have 75% of the ball in the enemy box, we do not.

4) He needs to understand new tactics, if we play 442 and your a LM but the manager wants to change to a 433 and swap you to RW, they are very different positions and take some training

Kapeesh?

Ben {Ed002's Note - I am not sure it would be English Messi would need to learn to understand Gerrard.}

And after the car is repaired, you always hear a slight knocking sound from the engine, then a few days later, you notice that it won't start, or a slightly louder cranking noise starts coming out from below the fan...

trust me, once a car is damaged, it's damaged and no amount of repair can restore it completely. Buy a new car! Singred

When your in work you focus on work. If you have been a mechanic for 20years and move to France and get a job as a mechanic then a mondeo is still a mondeo.
Football doesn't have a language barrier. Either you know how to play in a certain position or not.
You either have talent or not.
Take time philosophy is just a kop out for managers to say ' give me time'.
When we get humiliated by a team that's squad doesn't even cost half as much as ours then you can be rightly sceptical.
We have 11 internationals who are the best player their countries have playing a team who's players struggle to get into an international squad.
In theory these players would bet the lesser player week in week out.
It's like Forest or Tranmere play the dog and duck or qween vic and getting humiliated.
Sorry to rant but ' takes time' is embarrassing excuse.
I understand that outside of football they need to be comfortable but they should be professional to focus when on the pitch and leave the other stuff out of their mind for 90mins.
PGA golfers are away from home constantly away from their families yet they have the professional ability to keep their focus on the game for four days at a time yet footballers need to be treated like babies?

Exactly new tactics etc is disguising fact highly paid and experienced professionals with 9 regulars in yesterdays team

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:37:36
does anyone think owen could still score for us .

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:30:53
FSG out Roman abramovich in atleast he knows what it takes to win trophys

Wow, really? 6 Agrees. That is a sad, sad reflection on the state of our fan base on this site.

Andy K

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:29:36
Hey eds
Yesterday gerrard was Awful, I am wondering where the best position for him is now he is getting to 32 33. I believe he should be a cdm not attacking midfielder, from cdm he can break into attack easier too, so I believe we should get a centre attacking minded midfielder.

Wat do u think?
And also Adam johnsons agent has been approached by lfc, do u think we will sell downing or will he stay? I think if we could even 10 million for him we should sell and reinvest in new winger

Thanks

Fustrated Lucas

Honestly, the best position Gerrard is probably the bench. We need a better full-time CAM (Silva, Kagawa, someone of that ilk, maybe even Suarez?). He's a legend and I love him for what he's done for the club, but he would be far more effective coming in as an impact sub or playing the Europa league / Cup games.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:28:17
Hi eds
You have said u expect a couple more signings to come in.
Are u referring to loan signings?
Rodgers has publicly said we have no more money, so do u think any new signings will be just squad players. You obviously need money to improve the 1st team?
Plz post {Ed002's Note - I have also said I expect players to leave.}

Yeah but players have left Ed's our squad is smaller an weaker than last year in the forward positions. {Ed002's Note - I would not consider the squad smaller in any appreciable way for midfield and forwards. Players leaving have either been replaced, fringe players or Aquilani. Lucas has returned from long term injury, Cole has returned, a couple of the youngsters are likely to step up. It strikes me now that those begging for youngsters to step up all season don't really want that to happen now push comes to shove.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:27:43
I'm sooo tired of watching Downing!

Carl

Just think, for an extra £3.6m you could have signed Mirallas instead of that other fella.

Moyes still buying his gems.

Disney!

His gems have won a lot in ten years. Slipped a bit there didn't you Disney on ice.

Mighty reds

Have u even seen assaidi play? how can you slate before he even steps on the pitch

And he's won an immense amount of trophies with those gems - oh wait, he hasn't won a bloody thing - gems or no gems.

John B

And he's won an immense amount of trophies with those gems - oh wait, he hasn't won a bloody thing - gems or no gems.

John B

In 2 years time, you'll be in a worse situation than we were Disney pal. I wish you all the best as the ribbing will be so much fun.
Persona supreme

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:22:52
Gents had to leave it a day to post after result yesterday but bottom line if we had won we wouldnt be shouting about winning the league remember a certain mister shankley losf his first few matches keep the faith and the dignity I think BR will do the job and besides we have to stick by this manager for the next 3 years and gain stability

FFS past is past new age

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:21:29
The way the players played for Rafa at the end, for Hodgson, Kenny, and today, its NOT the manager, theres a rotten core in the LFC squad, and i believe it centres around Gerrard, he was absolutely GARBAGE today! and hes got too much influence, back the manager, weed out the spineless chokers!!
We need to buy 3 quality players this week
Agree !

Totally agree i have been saying for years that gerrard and carragher have to much say within the club and dressing room, there only players and shouldnt have the influence they have because players like that are destroying the club.

Gerrard did have a bad game.but u are out of order.he has carried the team,he has had 1 bad game in years.i doubt u are even a liverpool fan.person

ste

Check the reults of with and without Gerrard last season - and probably previous seasons.

You'll be surprised - or maybe not.

There is life after Stevie G - he was asking for a shocker after his interview earlier in the week, when he told everybody how good he is going to be for the next 3 years.

John B

Gerrard for manager with Carragher no 2 :)

I don't know enough of what goes on inside Melwood or the dressing room to be able to say Gerrard/Carragher are the problem, but it is pretty clear that he's on the moody side and when his mood is poor, the team as a whole plays really badly (yesterday being just the latest example).

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:17:11
David Craig sly sports reporter outside Etihad stadium, has just reported that we(LFC) have made enquiries as to the availability of Adam Johnson, Johnson supposedly told by Mankini he has no future at CITY,

STEVE

RED4LIFE

Johnson same as downing . will have two left footed wingers playing down the right wing well isnt brendan irish

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:16:56
We desperately need someone who can at least hit the target guys. For all of his attributes Suarez is NOT a striker, how can anyone be called a striker when they can't even hit the target from inside ten yards? He's a winger or central attacking midfielder at best, he causes havoc up until he gets in front of goal and because of this he's going to cost us big time. Just think about it for a second, if he would have taken his chances yesterday we would have been 2 up before they knew it and thats game over. Until we sort this out we're going to struggle this season and on another note don't hold your breath on Sahin or Dempsey, I personally don't see either happening.

Get that steven fletcher from wolves

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:49:10
I didnt post yesterday because i wanted to give it 24 hours, see how i felt about the match, watch the highlights, listen to the interviews etc. Here's my thoughts on yesterday and some things im thinking about the club...

New season, Same old Liverpool, Couldnt pass the ball, Defence all over the place.

I had a feeling that when we got Rodgers in that he would have a small club mentality. When we were 1 nil down yesterday we conceded a penalty. before the penalty was even took, He had brought on Carragher. What is the thinking behind this? It was the 2nd half, About to go 2 nil down and he brings on Carragher? It doesnt make sence. Small clubs would do this against a big team because they wanted to keep theyre goal difference down. Are we a small club? No. So why is Rodgers making very bad decisions like this?

On the subject of Carragher. Its such a shame to see such a great servant to our club end up like this. He should of retired 2 seasons ago.Its the 1st game into the season and Carragher already looks shattered. He really looks lost out on the pitch now. Its embarrassing too watch for him.

Gerrard was awful yesterday, Maybe its time to start using him as a impact sub. He only started 18 games last year through injury. We cant keep relying on him at this stage of his career, Hes not half the player he used to be be due to his age and injuries.

Our new signings havnt been anything to shout about. When the rumours start coming in that we wanted Allen for 15m i was hoping they wouldnt be true. Ive seen a lot of him last season and he is not worth 15m. Most of his passes last season were back to his keeper/defence and in his own half, He doesnt offer much going forward. Not the type of player that improves us. He was also shocking in the olympics. Borini might be good in the future, But not worth 11m, played 33 games in 5 years, failed at Chelsea, Swansea, Roma and Parma. Not gonna say much about Assaidi because i never heard of him.

Yesterday we were awful, suarez is a great player but he honestly could of had 8 goals yesterday, Great footballer, Terrible finisher. I dont know how he could afford to laugh and joke with Ollsen and Odenwinge after the final whistle yesterday, It made my blood boil.

Joe Cole is a joke

Rodgers was right to leave Carroll, Adam, Handerson on the bench yesterday. Not good enough

Great to see Spearing not even in the squad. Good lad but he shouldnt be a footballer. Just because he's from Liverpool doesnt give him the right to play for us. Terrible player.

Why was Coates not on the bench and Carra was? Silly decision by Rodgers.

Agger will now miss our games against City, Arsenal and Sunderland. Very hard games. We could lose all 3 if yesterday was anything to go by. Then we have United so we could actually be on 0 points after 5 games.

If im honest, Rodgers could be sacked after 9-10 games. If he goes who would you want as manager? I think we should go for Biesla or even Rafa? Thoughts?

Looks like Sahin prefers a move to Arsenal now, I cant believe the amount of players turning us down. De Jong, Sigurdsson, De Jong, sinclair, Johnson, Jackson Martinez, Kalou, Kagawa, Elm, Caulker, Powell. the list could go on for about another 15 players.

Maxi, Bellers and Kuyt are gone. Borini, Allen, Assaidi are not good enough.

Downing was awful yesterday, Adam is overweight. Henderson should be sold in January if he's still playing like last season

I could keep going on with things wrong with our club but id probably get depressed LOL

We could finish this season in the bottom half. Gonna be a very hard a long season.

Luke YNWA

You are a joke Luke. You have just tore the crap out of everything about the club, and after only 1 game and then sign off with YNWA haha

Redlads

Redlads ~ After only 1 game? How about after the last 22 years? Been supporting this club over 40 years. Last 22 havnt been great. The last 6-7 we have just been getting worse. You cant deny the facts.

Luke YNWA

Redlads everything in the original post is spot on

Sorry Luke, while you say some fair things some of what you say just doesn't make sense to me at least.
While you have been supporting the club for 40 years we have changed managers a few times, had dips in talent and also money available to us. maybe the good old days are not so easy to come by now.
Maybe LFC were not meant to rule english football for another 20 years?

You cannot expect to always be the best. Other teams will always catch up and in the case of the last 10 years or so we have seen so many clubs suddenly being owned by billionairs, and while money will not buy everything it sure helps to change the tide!

BUt Rodgers sacked in 9-10 games?? Nonsense.

And not all the players you names are as bad as you make up.

Tell us what we should do to become as good as you clearly expect?

Surely with your experience and love for the club you can see that at least Rodgers has a clear idea on how to change LFC and adopt a new style we have to learn?

I'd rather that than watch the same old movement and lack of creativity but with only the idea of buying better players to fit into this already aging set of tactics


Gareth

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:16:02
Sahin is to join Arsenal, talks between Real Madrid and Arsenal were productive today, 2m Euro fee

Man U want Kaka, almost sorted out for him to go there

No firm bids for Big Andy-C yet, Spurs are interested though

LFC are having lots of trouble convincing targets to join the club.

South African YNWA

I think you made a spelling mistake after South African - it should have read YAWN.

2m Euros for Sahin ( a 0 missing ), United wanting Kaka.

Funny post.

John B {Ed002's Note - The 2M euro fee is probably about right if Arsenal pay his wages.}

Thank you ed... John B the Sahin deal is a loan, not a purchase

South African YNWA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:12:55
Just been told that Sahin has turned down our offer in favour of an un-named Champions League team. It's a shame we can't attract these types of late but fair play on at least trying.

I'm sure we'll be alright this year.

SR

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:11:30
Liverpool have enquired about Adam Johnson via his advisor. Sunderland have spoken directly with City but our interest may turn Johnsons head. Expect developments in coming days.

Andy

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:10:51
Sahin close to joining Arsenal, on bbc website minutes ago. Looks like we have lost out again!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:09:31
Liverpool enquire about adam Johnson! Dubred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:08:56
Hi ed's,

Im watching the wigan v chelsea game, and victor moses is playing very well, nice pace, trickery, and good passing.

are liverpool interested in him, or do you see an interest from us in the future?

YNWA! {Ed002's Note - There was interest but it seems to have waned.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:06:53
yeah the referee is to blame maybe if we could score a goal then we can really blame the ref.

I think there should be made a rule abt BACK PASS. something like , player should be fined for it. LOL i mean wtf ball goes to defenders -then to flanks then back...this is what we do all 90 mins.

no player except suarez n allen had a ability to do one touch pass.what they do is take the ball,dribbling it like a lost chicken...allowing the opposition to close all the gaps..then giving it back to where it came from.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 15:02:12
BBC reporting sahin to arsenal.

I had already expected this to happen, he was the one signing that i thought could get us into fourth spot, now it consolidates arsenal

BBC article says " close to signing and should be " confirmed next week, not conclusive is it?
BBC also said we were close earlier in the week, Marca still saying Mourinho pushing for him to go to Liverpool - let's wait and see, and if he doesn't I'm sure BR has back up plans.

John B {Ed002's Note - An answer will come next week. Do not discount a late bid by Napoli.}

BBC article says " close to signing and should be " confirmed next week, not conclusive is it?
BBC also said we were close earlier in the week, Marca still saying Mourinho pushing for him to go to Liverpool - let's wait and see, and if he doesn't I'm sure BR has back up plans.

John B

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:58:58
as its clear we're in need in a clinical striker in our squad who would people like to see us sign? would just like to hear peoples opinions.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:43:07
Hey eds do you think we have any back up targets for the vacant forward position other than dempsey, as well as a back up option for the position which sahin was going to fill

Texan red {Ed002's Note - I would expect a player or two to arrive still.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:42:46
Ed can you post this in banter please

I know people are acing a moan over yesterday's game but from
What I seen it was poor refereeing and an outstanding opening goal

Agger should not have been sent off long was looking for it as the second one he triped over the back of skertle leg with our next five games been as tough as they are I would be happy with 7 to 10 points out of it

I'm still optimistic about our chances of fourth we played good football and where unlucky with descions and finishing I see this being a more tighter leauge than any other season any beating everyone

Jayblair89

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:42:40
Hi all, Just wondered if there is still interest in walcott as he is yet to sign an extension. I personally dont think hes that great but was just wondering. Cheers

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:40:10
hi eds yesterdays result poor but BR only starting off so it will take time and i understand that but what gets to me is the over all team .We started out with 7 players that were all at the club before kenny took over just over 18 months ago and have as close as i can make it in that time spent well over £150 MILL to improve the squad which is huge ,now we have taken in a fair bit from sales to balance the books but even on the bench we had carra,cole,shelvey who were also here so apart from luis who cost £25 mill the club have seen nearly £130 tryin to fill 3/4 places with all the signs showin us in decline instead of improvement and that to me is our problem ,spend this amount on ten players rather than one really top player every one of last 3 transfer windows for say 20/30 mill who hold value and we still have money left plus fans would be happy with these players cause in general you get wat you pay for .

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:40:01
Hello,I heard that Kaka can join LFC for 18 million euro,is it true?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:39:58
Have to say this, I am an optimist about our club, I am honestly just hoping BR doesn't do what previous managers seem to have done ad infinitum - play people in wrong positions just to give them a game.
My point being if our only option should our left back be injured or out for any reason is to play our right back there, then BR will be shown as weak as any other manager we've had since Paisley.
Glen Johnson is only a right sided player - end of.
If BR doesn't think we have back up then he has to buy, it's pretty appalling that we cannot have cover for every position in our squad.

John B

Good post - agree

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:38:44
I think fans are been a little to negative about yesterday, teams will lose games, wether its at the start, in the middle, or the end, there is no difference. Liverpool actually played good football, passed nicely and closed down well, it was more liverpool dropping there heads after Agger been sent off. Where liverpool are still really lacking and the big disappointment of yesterday was Borini, BR still has not addressed our biggest weakness of last season, we do not have an out and out striker, a poacher/clinical finisher, and what worries me is we dont seem to be looking and right now Borini isn't our man, maybe in the future. Other than that we have a good team, if we sign Sahin etc that will be a bonus but upfront is our weakness.
Just passing on my opinions.
Eds/Readers thoughts?
J-lk

I think we are looking for a striker so i think u are being a bit unfair , ive heard br has spoke to fsg today to ask for money to be made available to buy a striker which they are now considering so please be patient the window hasnt shut yet .... steve

Ok Steve good, but how do you know this?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:35:09
Just looking at our next few PL fixtures:

Man City (H)

Arsenal (H)

Sunderland (A)

Man Utd (H)

Some very tough fixtures coming up one after another. After yesterdays shambolic performance, I honestly can't see us winning any of those games and I'm very worried we will be amongst the bottom three come October, with Brendan Rodgers under massive pressure to deliver. Really hope I'm proved wrong.

Have you never heard of taking one game at a time.

Mighty reds

Have you never heard of taking one game at a time.

Mighty reds

Nope - owners and Rodgers both know the problem is not going to be quick-fix. The only pressure comes from the nobs and trolls that whine and moan, yet call themselves supporters. Singred

I did point this out last week ,we needed to win yesterday.once you get on the losing trail it is hard to get off. Watching Chelsea v Wigan 2 down in ten minutes but Wigan sure it up .we carry on playing like we're 5 up . From the first round of games I watched so far we are the worst organised in the league the only other team that might be as bad are Southampton but I doubt they will be .cheers psv

We will be among the bottom one mate

Have you never heard of LOSING one game at a time

Liverpool should not be getting beat at west brom rodgers is like hodgson out of his depth the club and the fans deserve the best this guy as spent all summer telling us his type of game liverpools game is pass an move always as been the owners arnt right for us either we need to shop at harrods not the pound shop sorry but i have to be honest sucsess is a long way away under this regime

The last two will be a walk in the park. Maybe the park will be slightly windy when we play Sunderland though.
AnfieldUSA

I can see us getting 10 points from these fixtures...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:20:30
we desperately need to sign a proven 20goal a season centre forward and please not dempsey, i hope we do sign him but he s an attakcing midfielder not a centre forward

any sign of us signing a proven 20 goals a season centre forward, borini will be good but hes young and to expect him to hit 20 a season now is not on ,in 2-3 maybe but not right now

tom1975

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:09:36
Had sometime to think about things since KK left and really do not want to do a comparison yet ,so will stick to yesterdays game.

Issues i noticed yesterday before kick off.

1) that midfield has never played together and in all honesty the only person who knew what he was doing was Joe Allen.Gerard looked lost and Lucas is not Match fit.

2) Why oh Why do LFC managers choose to play RB as LB , if Jack Robinson is to get game time then it is these games that he should start . There was an evident lack of width from both full backs .There was too much of a gap between the Kelly and Downing because Gerard floats too much and is always cutting in.

3) since the days of Rafa LFC have not used pre season games effectively , last year we used it as a shop window , this year the Euros and olympics stopped us having a first team.My problem with pre season is what is the point of trying players out who then show you they can play , you dont pick them , Shelvey should have come on as sub and stirling deserved a spot on the bench.

in fact yesterday was quite simply last season in 90 mins , good start , no luck , bad refereeing and poor poor second half.The players let us down again and again .No use putting in a good performance against top 5 as there is another 14 teams in the league .

I understand that playing a new style will take time but at least look like your trying.This is going to be a hard season and i wish BR all the best and i like him honest(well as honest as a manager can be) hard working but as LFC in his heart and i believe he will fight for our club but needs to get the 11 on the pitch to do his talking/fighting.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:09:31
I see posts that are talking about Sterling not even making the bench yesterday.

I have to say I totally agree! How Downing gets a start ahead of him is beyond me! I've also seen someone mention having Sterling and Assaldi on the wings and again I totally agree!

We need pace, and we have some available so I say let's use it!

The question is.....does Brendan throw them in at the deep end against Man City?

Personally, I think he should.

What's everyone elses thoughts?

K.Bennett

What about hearts in the europa league, they should play then

I agree. i am sick of downin at this stage.i kept saying last season that he will come good but after so many chances he just hasn improved at all.i personlly would rather we use any other option we have at the club.

eire red

Remember he's still young and learning.

Also, and really think about this. The majority of playerrs thrown in at a young age 17/18 find themselves spenkn a lot of time on the treatment table. This is because of the physicality of the prem and with them still growing it takes a huge impact on their bodies.

And just to add, the first game of the season is not indicitative of the rest of the season. If we play man city off the park and win 3-0 will all the nay Sayers still be here calling for mass changes or Rodgers out?

No one is happy about the result, but let's atleast give it a chance. 10-13 points off our firs 5 games won't be a bad effort and prior to the season I think everyone would agree with this looking at our fixtures. It's still possible....

Let's get our heads up and back the team and manager!

Iain YNWA

Don't worry about downing, the manager is trying to give him a chance to prove himself and if he doesn't take his opportunity then he will find himself out of the team mark my words. BR never bought him so he doesn't owe him anything.

There's a Europa League game against Hearts on Thursday prior to that, I'd expect Assaidi to start & Sterling to be on the bench for that. If one or both impress, they'd have a chance for the City game.

AKN

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:07:19
I never got chance to see the game on MOTD but I mate of mine said we were awful and passing the ball from the defence was not working for us as West Brom all over us...

City will punish us big time if we start giving away possession in our own half all the time!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 14:00:57
Reality check
1)FSG can't match liverpool ambition we are a big club but we are run as small club

2)John w henry is crying in the media saying he bought the club coz of FFP rules but now thinks it won't work so premier league should impose their own FFP rules. It just shows how lack or knowledge they have got why premier league should change their rules coz FSG can't compete

3) No staidium coz they don't have money

4)They are ready to throw money for average players coz they are cheap in wages and this has really effected our team they are interested in quantity rather then qualiry

5)And biggest joke is they run us as small club and expect champions league cheaply which will never happen

6)First when bought our club sayed its same situation as red sox but now they are saying its more difficult then red sox coz financial are different compare to any sport in america and league should change some rules wow they are wrong people in wrong sport for them in modern footy its all about money sad but true

You are a fool and obviously NO businessman. If you want you club ran as a
Richmans play thing please feel free you go
Support another club.

The worlds in the financial state it is
Because of banks playing Monopoly with
Vast sums of money. Then you spout off
Talking about the Football equivalent!

Grow up

Lyndon

Agree completely ,but what do yonks know about football .NOTHING ,I know they safes us from adminastration ,but I see us ending up in the same place .average championship side at best.

They saved us from administration - and probable relegation or even worse ( see Rangers FC ).
There are no money stupid Sheikhs left.

John B

Lyndumb you just made excuses to explain why this club can't compete grow up

Trap

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:56:38
Eds, What are your predictions for the next four games in the prem, Man city, arsenal, sunderland and man utd?

i personally would be happy with 6 points from them games {Ed002's Note - 9 points.

Eds, this is no time for sarcasm !

Do you know what sarcasm is!!

He answered your question

So ed002 expects us to beat the mancs and arsenal? U really do have faith in liverpool dont u ed002? Coz we definitely wont beat sunderland away from home as we struggle against mid table teams.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - It seems I have rather more faith in Liverpool than manu of the fans do.}

Win againt man city, arsenal and man utd

draw againt sunderland

Ed002 9 points you re very positive after that first game s display

tom1975

i m gonna say 5 points

1 point at very best ,as long as there are no beach balls

I honestly don't see why we can't get 12 points from those games. Rodgers constantly takes notes and knows exactly what he needs to improVe for the next game. You load of 'fans' really need to start believing that the team will do its job. Like Rodgers said "we need a one team, one club kentality

I honestly don't see why we can't get 12 points from those games. Rodgers constantly takes notes and knows exactly what he needs to improVe for the next game. You load of 'fans' really need to start believing that the team will do its job. Like Rodgers said "we need a one team, one club mentality

12. Easy.
AnfieldUSA

I can see us getting 10 points from these fixtures...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:50:02
Joe Allen should never have started. He only just recently joined, and I have no doubt he knows BR's style of play, but there is no way he had gelled with any of the other players yet, so for me Shelvey or Adam would have done better against the Dowd-loved Thug Albion (lol). Little Joe Allen was being bullied all over the pitch and although he held his own, he looked harried at almost every touch. Carroll should have started in the middle with Suarez at LW. We can buy all of the technically gifted players in the world, but just like CL match between Celsea/Barcelona, when a referee allows that kind of physical play on the pitch, you need the adequate players to handle it. Score yesterday should have read West Brom 1-0 Liverpool but instead was West Brom/Phil Dowd 3-0 Liverpool. And I'm certainly okay with a more physical game allowed by the refereeing but the referee should be calling it both ways not determining the outcome.

Are u for real? He was the best player on the pitch.

How do they hell unless they play together?

Don't think he gave the ball away in the whole game

One person, on his lonesome, cannot win a football match, it takes a team effort.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:49:23
Andy Carroll we have to keep him and he has to play....how obvious does it need to be!!!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:40:10
Are we still after de vries? {Ed002's Note - Not sure if another bid will be made.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:44:12
85% pass complition in the first half. Which as been a while
Since we had that. Lucas needs games for fitness Allen making his debut along with Borini. Enrique not playing which was a blow then 2 of the best defender in the League
Have a nightmare on the same day.
Chin up Lads were a Massive 1 point behind Arsenal who
Played at home on the first day Of the season.

Lyndon

I read pass completion was 88% for the whole match.

MIKEY

We re level on points with spurs

Scratching my head here - 2 of best defenders in PL, I can only think of Agger. Who's the other one? Johnson maybe, because it certainly is not Skirtl.

John B

That was higher than any club in the Premier league in the whole of last season

You can check on the premier league website if you one of the kneejerkers

Lyndon

It's what happens when a really poor team is gifted goal after goal by defensive error and anonymous midfield and just puts men behind the ball and watches a bunch of chumps pass pass pass on the opportunity to win an easy game

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:43:18
Ed's are we or are we not getting Sahin? {Ed002's Note - Dead the posts.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:42:11
Wonder if BR made a concision descion to bring on Carroll after his most likely supply Ie Downing was already off the pitch to try to make him look bad?

If he really wants to sell him he will be wanting to make him look good.

MIKEY

More like Andy was there to take the brunt of the physicality from WBA back four instead of having Suarez or Borini trampled.

- Logic

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:39:36
I think the one reason for optimism looking at yesterdays results is that both spurs and arsenal could be struggling for goals. Arsenal have lost rvp and the two brought in still adapting. Spurs may struggle with new strikers and will badly miss modric. If borini/suarez finds lethal form or we spend and buy a natural goalscorer I see 4th as definitely achievable.

Gordy

I know what you mean but we also have our own problems.
We need to completely adjust to a new style of play as well as bed in a few more players.
I know spurs do as well but arsenal at least have a manager who has been there years.
4th is between us and arsenal I think. With spurs close behind. Arsenal may just edge it for me. Depends who else we buy and how well they settle, we could do with a bit
of luck to be honest.

MIKEY

Gordy plz dont get the fans hopes up again. cant anyone see we r work in progress? we r not gonna get top4. 6th at best imo. As long as progress is made, i will be more than happy.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:38:09
hai ed..
chelsea 2-0 up in 5 mts...
its all eden hazard show......

ed...were we looking at mirallas??
he is only for 6mill?
i mean we cant afford 20 mil for any striker..
cant we for 6 mil?
then whom were we looking at?
free agents???//

If/when we sell Carroll we we have plenty to buy a striker. No idea who though.

MIKEY

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:33:00
My buys would be...... Higuian from madrid or benzema as the goalscorer we need n i know youll all say we would never be able to buy any of those two, but give them an offer they couldnt refuse, I'd buy bains from everton as competition for enrique, jack butland as goalkeeper cover n loan him out to get 1st team action n he would push Reina coz he needs pushing now, I'd buy godin as carraghers replacement, I'd also buy that gaston Ramirez to create things in final 3rd of the pitch, we need at least another winger, someone like muniain would do, please don't get that headless chicken Walcott, he's awful...... What do u think?

Craig

If they would be your buys then please donate atleast £30mill+

Change the club name to manchester city or chelsea...everyone will come down.......

Seriously bro FM 2013 is not out yet , you do know that we do not have any money let alone 100m

I can't be bothered to tell you why your wrong, you just are. Lol

MIKEY

We have no money. for the last time

Sure we might aswell get messi and pato too craig and why stop there what about pique.

eire red

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:29:48
I don't understand why people are linking us with Walcott? Besides his lightning pace he has few attributes and even fewer that would compliment Brendan Rodgers style of play. Walcott loves to run at the defender he is playing against and just use his speed to skin him. He doesn't go on jinking, weaving runs past 3 or 4 players like the Swansea wingers (Sinclair and Dyer), but rather he is much more direct at running down the wing at the defender. He is a chalk on the boots type of winger and the first thing he does when he gets the ball is look to take on the defender. No offence to Theo as he is good at what he is asked to do but he rarely looks to interchange positions and play the ball retention percentages - he isn't really an intelligent footbller and therefore would not suit our new style.
IMO.

Sorry Ed's and everyone a bit long winded but tried to get my point across.

RedsMatt

P.s. keep up the good work all of you!

He is better than the rubbish we have like downing and adam. Id happily pay arsenal 10 million and both those midtable players to arsenal for walcott.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:27:40
brendan rodgers maybe aint the genius winning 1-0 games at swansea. maybe he held them back because when he left they started winning 5-0.

A complete judgement on the future from the first 90 minutes of the season? Nothing like a balanced approach

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:25:37
Dear Eds please post this,Surely there is someone who has a bit of intelligence at our club to know we need a goalscorer bought,we make chances in games but they are not put into the net,i cannot believe we have not bought a proven goalscorer it will be the same as last year in the league or perhaps worse,i hope not but ask yourselves this who is going to score are goals

Dempsey maybe?
He's proven in the EPL as a goalscorer.
He should be on his way soon.

MIKEY

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:25:33
If we all accept that the squad and/or the playing system were not up to scratch last season (or indeed for a while now), then we should also accept that this cannot be fixed overnight. BR has a football philosophy to implement which I think will eventually reap rewards. But he needs our patience and support. With all the money in the world, it took man city over two years to buy the title. Old whisky nose came within a game of getting sacked and look where he is now.
Yes, we need to improve the squad, but it won't happen overnight, despite what the FIFA12 brigade think. It will also take time to adapt to a new system of play, but I for one believe it will be the right way.
Interesting that BRs biggest signing so far was probably our best player yesterday...
Give him time.

BigBadBen

How much time we need to give?
12 month? 2 years? 5 years?
its been already 3 years..
and if the situation remains still..what will u do?
sack him and bring another..and give him again time..?

Agreed mate.
It will be yet another transition season but we at least look like a progressive team now.

MIKEY

Does that mean then that King Kenny and Clarky should have been given more time. Afterall 3-0 to Clarky
QuantumRED

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:23:48
BR need to stop his PR act and focus on team point by point.
1. Get stve g to wake up and improve as a captain and front 3 medfielder.
2.get downing on left learn from kenny mistakes.
3.get a bloody striker who puts ball in net don't need 15 nutmegs.
4. Stop this over hyped tiki-taka back to basics. Games are won by goals not by bloody. Possesion stats. (did he not learn from jose)
Red indian

Ps-pls beg carra to retire.

I agree apart from downing,he should not play at all..

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:22:43
Hey everyone, I think we were all frustrated after yesterday's result but come on everyone, it's going to take time to build what we want at our club, it's going to be a frustrating season but let's stick with it get behind the team and Rodgers, don't expect top 4, expect top 10, patience is the key this season, problem is that players will start wanting to leave soon if we don't start showing improvement and we need to rebuild from the start, we can't rely on gerrard anymore, we need to build the team around Suarez, play Suarez in the role behind the striker and buy a proven goalscorer, Torres would have been perfect if he had stayed but he went n we haven't replaced him at all, do u give it to Carroll ?? I say give him a chance to prove himself n if it doesn't work then sell him in January n get a replacement

Craig

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:26:24
Eds is there any interest from clubs in the following players: Joe Cole, Pacheco, Adam, Spearing, Jones, Doni? I really can't see them helping the team this season and should get 15mil for the lot and will reduce our wage bill. Think we can get Dempsey and Sahin, would love if we can get a out and out ST {Ed002's Note - There has been some interest as we know. I am not sure how bad Cole's injury is but it could scupper a move.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:59:21
{Ed023's Note - He inputted his own style on Swansea, yes they played a passing game but he implemented his approach - passing out from the back, wingers playing high up the pitch etc. We need to support him and the team or else Liverpool will never go forward!}

Ed, it's all well and done supporting Rodgers but as it stands his job is like asking a bricklayer to build a wall with a hammer. He hasn't got the tools to implement his style and it strikes me he hasnt got an alternative way of playing. As you say Swansea pass from the back with wingers high up the pitch, these wingers need pace and we haven't got that. Why did he play two holding midfielders together yesterday? Lucas looked lost. It's clear to me that the back four were told to take the ball early and build from the back. We had 2 holding midfielders and Borini coming deep enabling West Brom to hold a high line and ultimately press the back four when we had the ball. It was like a pantomime at the back at times. Rodgers tactics yesterday were a joke. Moreover if the owners want success, then they should give him the money to get the tools for his preferred style of play, just as a bricklayer would obtain a trowel and a line for building a wall.

Ozone {ED023's Note - All very good points Ozone but his stye can be implemented if he is giving time. As Macca says, he wants Walcott Sahin and Dempsey - these 3 guys could be a major difference - Downing isn't up to it and IMO Dempsey would move central and let Suarez roam as he likes to do. Gerrard was awful yesterday also.

Dempsey is not a cf

Yes I can see how those three would slot in nicely but in the meantime we look to be in a bit of trouble. Downing certainly doesn't fit the profile, especially the pressing aspect. In fact he's that much of a coward, the distance he puts between himself and the opponent with the ball is nothing more than a joke. If he's forced into proximity with the opponent he cowers like a girl. If he carrys on like this, he'll end up getting his leg broke.

Ozone

If we bought Walcott, dempsey and sahin ed. How do you think we would line up?
You say Dempsey central, do you mean as a striker?
Like this maybe:

Lucas
Gerrard-Allen
Walcott-Dempsey-Suarez

With sahin rotating with Allen and gerrard.

MIKEY

Completely agree with ed downing was actually awful and Suarez ain't an out and out striker where Dempsey could fill that spot and also walcott would be brilliant instead of downing {Ed023's Note - Yes mate,, it will give us options which we are still lacking}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:19:39
fsg SELL THE CLUB FAST ! we dont want no more yonks

And what??
another one will come..will spend 100 mill on henderson???
owners not the only worries...
our pathetic buys last season are the serious issues...

Don't won't no more yonks? meaning you want more yonks?

Why do people like you bother to come on this site?

We finished 8th last season (the table doesnt lie) under a manager who was the fans' choice and probably yours as well and he led us to our worst finish in decades. Now FSG have brought in a new manager who wants to change our style of play and change our personnel. We lose our first game and people like you want instant change.

What did you expect to happen?

It will take patience and time to get us playing like BR wants us to.

Knee jerk reactions dont achieve anything.

Good idea - bring back David Moores and certain administration - there are no silly Sheikhs out there any more, just be glad we have FSG in charge, who are financially astute.
I sent this on the assumption you are actually a LFC fan, and not just on to prov0ke reaction, probably the latter.

John B

I agree, the Liverpool supporters don't want yonks. Time to pack up your bags little buddy.
AnfieldUSA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:15:54
Everton have just signed a player who is better then any striker we have signed for years. They have a better team then us

Truth bites.........

That much is obvious. They finished higher than we did last season.

Will yous all stop bloody moanin

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:15:03
Let's all keep our chins up. Shankly lot his first game in charge 4-0. We need to give Rodgers time, yesterday was disappointing but a lot went against us. It won't always be like that. Allen and Borini are finding their feet and the defence was unbalanced du to Enrique being injured.

I think it illustrates to me that we need a striker, left back and a winger. When the pieces start coming together I'm sure we will see the full picture. Like everyone I wished we had more money to spend on players but we have to buy "development" players in the main. These means there will not be much instant impact, but having seen what odgers got out of average players at Swansea I'm convinced he will get the best out of the team. One game is not enough to judge anyone.

Hessle Red

Pep gaudiola lost his first 3 games

Because the both lost their first games, we can now offically comare Rodgers in the same breath as Shankly, you sound foolish mate

Kido

Think guardiola lost his first game as well & look who he had in that team............paisley's genius

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:12:44
I think people need to chill abit abour yesterdays result.

First we probably shaded it , and should scored and had a penalty.

The first penalty was a foul , but the second was an absolute joke.

It all went to pot when we went down to 10men.

We kept chasing the game and just left ourselves open at the back.

I still believe we will see a few faces come on soon.

I was disappointed not to see sterling on the bench though.

LAVERS

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:09:09
As a Liverpool fan I would question the players shear commitment on the football pitch wk in wk out, we always up our game when it comes to the big games BUT that should be the case in every game, i don't see the determination, heart and desire wk in wk out. I believe we have the players and quality to do so.
We only have to see the lower league teams commitment in the F.A cup against the big guns to know every team has it in them to fight, show there desire and commitment for there club on the pitch, and if they lose it was always a great and entertaining game to watch , and I've watched many if them last season.
So me personally wouldn't question the manager's we've had or the owners , i'd question the whole squad of players we have.
I could guarantee you if we brought in 15 players on £10,000 a wk from lower league teams they would fight for this club on the pitch and so would all of you in this forum if given the opportunity to do show!


Brightred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:05:36
Whats the difference between liverpool and a triangle?? A triangle has 3 points lol

Chopz

Really so early on, after a few games your going to run out of shapes .Go for it lets see how you do.

That only works like 4 or 5 games into the season not after the first game

Are you old enough to be on this site !

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:04:36
Who cares whether he dempsy signs he won't make any difference to that rubbish grrrrrrrr so angry with moores and parry sold us out an that were the trouble really began

Trouble began initially when King Kenny walked away and left us with an ageing side, and then the biggest mistake in LFC history was bringing Rick Parry to the club.
Compounded by David Moores thinking about himself and not the club when he sold to American businessmen, one of which had been bankrupt twice.
Dye diligence - my a**E.

JOhn B

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:02:17
Let's get behind the team It's only been one game.

True. However, doesn't in feel eerily familiar?

If i had a quid for every time i`ve heard that over the last 20+ years

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:02:05
Morning eds fellow reds , see BR has recognise the goal shortage , rumours today that he is chasing jack buttland . He happens to be a keeper ,fancy 25 goals a season from him then .NOT cheers psv

Apparently he will score more than borini

 

 

19 Aug 2012 13:02:03
hi eds, do we have any concrete interest in any top quality players for the attacking third of the field, like a 20 goal a season striker and a right hand sided wide forward

thanks

tom1975 {Ed002's Note - A winger was purchased this week. There is interest in Dempsey.}

I meant another winger eds and dempsey is hardly a regular 20 goal a season striker

i know we signed assaidi but he syoung unproven and likely to be brought through slowly

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:57:42
mirallas signs for everton

20 goalsin 25games

good signing for them


tom1975

Yes....6 mill is absolute buy....
any striekrs for liverpool?

We re crying out for a 20 goal a season striker and allwe are hearing is dempsey who got 20 last season but he s an attacking midfielder not a number 9

swansea played with danny graham as their no 9 last season, we dont have one as carroll is obviously surplus to requirements

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:52:34
Cant believe Sterling wasnt on the bench. "If youre good enough, your age doesnt matter" Brendan said himself.

Now who do you guys thinks better and should be starting?

Agree for Sterling - Disagree for Downing

Benny baller

Neither, sterlign too young and downing has no heart

I think he was giving cole a chance to prove what he can do.
All cole can do these days is run around for ten minutes then get injured.

MIKEY

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:51:40
Everton sign Kevin Miralles on a 4 year deal. £6 mill. Deejay.

Steal...he will hit atleast 15 goals this season

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:48:35
Hi eds have arsenal signed sahin? i'm hearing from all over the internet that this is the case? South Aussie Red {Ed002's Note - Not at this time. You mean Twitter I assume. His situation will be resolved very soon.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:47:59
AFternoon all just as gutted as every other fan after yesterdays result.However we are practically the same team we were last year bar 2 players.do we really believe in 1 transfer window we can shift every player we don't want and bring in every top target we would like,never going too happen.Seems to me lots of fans talk about patience and don't understand the meaning of it.No doubt most people calling for kenny to go now want rid of Rodgers after1 game.Starting too feel a little embarrassed to call my self a Liverpool fan when so many persons over react too every game.Can someone please tell me we still have some real fans who support the team and manager. Tomo10

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:44:44
Word going round is Mirallas has signed for Everton for an undisclosed fee. 20 goals in 25 appearances for the winger last term and the Toffees were able to pick him up. Why oh why are we still stuck with Downing? These are the sort of players we should be signing. Really hope the window ends well with some brilliant transfers.
DAni

We are looking at a bigger amount...
25 mill to be bid for heskey

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:44:21
Ian St John and David Fairclough made great points Yesterday

bob paisley always use to say Left back in for Left back , don't make two changes when you only have to make 1

Robinson should have just fitted in for Enrique

Grea Point

K.O.B

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:41:14
Anyone else think that despite lack of goals yesterday we were absolutely bull dozed in midfield, even before the sending off. I'm hopeful of Sahin can be done because we really need steel in that mid. I'd love Moutinho but won't happen unfortunately. Plus I share the sentiment go out and sign a striker who knows where the net is. None of the Dempsey's of the world who just play off the striker etc. An actual goal scorer. Sorry NESV it won't come cheap but that's life if you want to be up there near the top!

Carlito

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:40:28
Well now I see it's all doom and gloom again now after the match yesterday. Looks like people want instant success but this is the real world and success takes time and effort. We looked very rusty yesterday especially in defence but that will improve with matches. We need to get our strikers to practice shooting into smaller goals so they will have a better chance in the games with bigger goals but seriously we need to back the manager and not call for his head after only 1 league game. I think carra is past it now and he will be destroyed by city so we have to play Coates and Stevie looked off the pace yesterday. Things will improve but we need a goal poacher and a player like mata/ carzola to help create chances. Anyway onwards and upwards!! YNWA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:38:25
now looks like sahin is of to arsenal... we cant even get people on loan this club is going downhill.

aaa

Wow we lost out to arsenal, a Top 4 team who are desperate for a midfielder to fill the whole left by song's departure. Think about it other clubs are worse than ours.
derryred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:38:25
Sahin wants to go to Arsenal apperantley but the 'Special one' wants him to go to Liverpool so could 'the Speacial one' block the move to Arsenal??
Redmanluka {Ed002's Note - Real Madrid could. Pardeza would be dealing with the matter.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:38:16
Those of you saying owen. Personally i think be great signing for goals on one year contract. We have got the wonderful player in suarez now we need a player to pick up his not so good bits (finishing). Way club would lookat it is he is so injury prone now

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:31:39
Everton sign kevin mirallas. We could of done with a player like him

Grae

No way..we will buy world class striker for free.......

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:30:29
Rogers says that he thought Allen was great yesterday whereas BBC report described him as anonymous. Was just wondering what everyone else thought of his performance.

Our best player yesterday

Kieran

Alen was good yesterday...perhaps the only player..looked good

Tidy enough,cant judge anything on one game though

He did not make any mistakes. Look composed. However, he did not 'boss the midfield' and did not link well with Gerrard and Lucas. In truth, I think Gerrard let us down the most.

Poor...just like the rest of the team.

Ah the BBC that austere organ of impartiality used to love Trevor brooking commentating on uefa cup exploits in 2001 so bitter so bitter was it down to the fact that the magnificent Ray Kennedy steam rolled him in the league cup final reply who can say? Paisley's genius

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:29:57
is the 2nd Penalty is a Penalty ? the 1st one player going down too easy . but the 2nd one player come from behind skartel not even know there is a player come from behind a little kick and a good dive . refree very near of it and how can he not see that ?

r-r

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:26:27
Hi folks, just need to moan about Kevin Mirallas! He has just signed for that small club down the road, why are missing out on good players and throwing money away on average players? We could have got him for £6m, we could and should have gone for Mich - £2m, these are the type of players that can get you in top 4. So far I have been only impressed with the signing of Assaidi, but he was our second choice! We had the opportunity to sign Jelavic for less than £6m ( who is much better than Andy Caroll). That small club down the road is assembling a very good team. What has happened to lfc?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:23:16
you never post my ones so please post.

F5. {Ed002's Note - The way to get posts deleted is to start with a lie like this.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:22:54
I know it's extremely unlikely but, after yesterday's performance (anothing showcase display of woeful finishing) would the owners be prepared to splash out on one marquee signing who can bag 15+ goals a season and how keen would they be on joining? Higuain or Cavani I know, I know very doubtful, but the slightest possibility maybe?

RedsMatt {Ed002's Note - Higuain and Cavani will not be joining Liverpool.}

Have to agree with RedMatt, We need a PROVEN GOALSCORER..If the owners want this club to succeed they have to spend NOW..Not wait until our season has finished before its started. The time to act is NOW!!
We know we wont be winning the league but surely with a PROVEN GOALSCORER we can push for champions league football for next season?.
Get the dead wood out, Get the wage bill down then go all out for the players we need to push us onwards and upwards. We have had the wake up call early lets act NOW.
Bobby.

Hai ed..
pls post one tagline on the begning of this page...
higuan, cavani, and hulk not for sale...
and we dont have money to buy......

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:22:31
Sahin has decided to join Arsenal, it isn't 100% but i wouldn't be surprised if this was the real deal.

Its becoming harder and harder to attract 'big' players to Anfield, fans need to realise that this is a project and to be patient with BR. 'Fans' already calling for BR's head is very disappointing to see.

Dallo
YNWA

Project running for 3 years..
should be for olympics...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:22:17
Use Raheem and Assaidi in 2 wing our wing look like no speed they both have class.

r-r

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:18:13
I've said it once and il say it again..... We need a natural goalscorer that's all people n we would fine, until a natural goalscorer is bought expect exactly the same as last season lads...... A tough season ahead but give the boys a chance n Rodgers all our support

Andy k
YNWA
JFT96

Couldn't agree more!! Not having a natural goal scorer last season proved disastrous for us! It was our no 1 priority for this season! The fact that it hasn't been addressed by the start of this season is nothing short of CRIMINAL!!

Marc

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:13:06
Why are we not going for adam johnson were always buying the wrong players we bought borini for one adam johnson is a steal at 10m. Last season in fa cup he was playing and every commentator said why does he not play every week his drbbling is outstanding. This is for a man city team. I rate him so highly miles shead of downing and miles ahead of walcott, borini.

Well Brendan Rodgers is more qualified to judge a players skills against what we already have and how he will fin into the system. BAck HIM.
derryred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:32:51
You know what, whatever players come an whatever players go, whatever results we get an whatever happens by the 31st, its all been put in perspective by the absolute legend that is Edd002 ... in bringing us all into the life of PEPE, Sparky joining twitter is an absolute masterstroke, Ed002...i solute you ! your a genius at work !

scouse simon

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:06:26
Is anyone else as fustrated as I am at how long it took BR to get Andy Carroll on the pitch? Especislly with Joe Cole going on ahead of him! Come on BR! When you are a goal or 2 down he is the best player we have to bring on to try and salvage something, not leave it until 10 minutes to go when already 3 - 0 down!

I give him till DEC till pass and loose football takes us to the relegation zone.

When we went down one nil did any of you spot carroll shevly laughing and joking in the dugout

Careful friend sly editing can make anyone look good or bad the media would like us turn on each other the players & manager solidarity is our strength.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:05:18
I know it's been done to death and I don't usually throw names about but surely we must buy a top finisher and despite not knowing much about him how good/realistic would Huntelaar be?

I cant believe everton have just got miralles for 6 million why do they get players like him and jelavic for under 7 million and we pay a fortune for crap, they have 2 good forwards now and what do we have suarez with all his tricks but doest know how to score and boroini who is more like a pepporoini am so down its unreal. ASHY

I would love to see Huntelaar reunited with suarez again...

Phooey...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:04:00
The prioritys are clear,
Striker in(damiao?)
Winger in(muniain?)
another lb to cover ffs.

Sell
Cole, Adam, downing, spearing, Carroll.

More game time for shelvey, raheem, hendo, Robinson, suso exc...
Remember flannos game v city, sometimes it's best to chuck these guys in the deepend and see how they get on, not wrap them in cotton wool and give them a cameo v Gomel.

Thats pretty much what isaid

left back cover
daimao
callejon on loan aswinger

i dloan carroll out though hoping he d do really well and boost his salevalue

tom1975

Mate you missed one thing...
priority..
money.......

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:02:50
See you lot have started breaking records again.this is a club in decline.worst points worst goals,last season now worst start relegation beckons
Jab EFC

We have records to break mate what about you?

Maybe but we'll still beat u lot twice this year !!! u would know about decline as its been 30 odd years since you lot had a team to challenge at the top off the league!!

Unbelievable, from an everton fan, remember every other season you flirt with relegation and this is that year.

What about no trophies for 17 years? Is that a record? What about the team with the most losses in premier league history? What about only finishing above Liverpool twice in the premier league, and both years we won trophies? All great records lad.

Everton have suffered more defeats than any team in PL history - good record too?

To the first one who bit you sound proud of beating all your worst records.to the rest were on the up.if use can't see your I decline you have problems.
Jab EFC

All efc fans have problems. A preoccupation with LFC is just the first.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 12:02:03
i have said this b4 that we need more goal scores lets just say we get 10 from borini the 11 Suarez will get us and the odd few from Gerrard even if we get Dempsey he will not be scoring 20 like last year we need a right winger that had goal and i prey we get Walcott for a few more but after yesterday the players need a slap

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:56:12
Andy is going to Spurs for £19 million, you heared it here first, and Adam will be a Fulham player with Dempsey going the orther way , Jay spearing will also be shown the Door . Forget any players from Spain coming in its not going to happen!!

Sell Andy to spurs? the lad will score a hatful there, we have already given up on finishing top four so.

19mill??..levy is a good business man...13 mill max........

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:53:44
As a Swansea fan, i have lost a lot of respect for Brendan Rodgers, after initially backing his move to Liverpool. Firstly he broke the transfer agreement by signing Allen (even though 15mil was a coup for us), he then took it on himself to blame the referee for Liverpools poor preformance at West Brom. Finally he looks set to approach for both Williams and Sinclair. If he does this, he will be someone who has lost the respect of Swansea fans and will not receive the warm welcome he may have before his lies. At first i thought he may have done well at Liverpool, but desperation already seems to be guiding his future and he for one will not gain "his philosophy" on Liverpools game (which had been developed at Swansea way before he joined) and will join the list of failure's at liverpool. My condolences. Jack Army {Ed023's Note - He inputted his own style on Swansea, yes they played a passing game but he implemented his approach - passing out from the back, wingers playing high up the pitch etc. We need to support him and the team or else Liverpool will never go forward!}

Swansea didnt half miss br and allen . hes changed the system to a more direct style hes the manager we should of got laudrup now you know why reading and watford got shut of br . kk on STANDBY

alan waddle

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:49:22
I posted the same before in brief, but still lots of people seem really down about yesterday.

It was a bad game with little positives at all. However, we had 10 men for a good time and i thought unbiasedly that the penalty decisions were harsh.

Even with that in mind we collectively as a team were poor. But the new direction we are trying to play will take time. It is unlikely we will start that well but i hope to see the performances getting better and better as the team learn to adopt the new vision into play.

Lastly, Spurs lost also and Arsenal drew so at least we haven't been left alone.

Give Rodgers and the team time

Gareth

And how much time shall we give him 12 months,2 years,5 years, someone please tell me, so many people saying this but how long will the owners give him is what counts, NOT US

People say..chelsea have a old aeging team..and we are for future..
chelsea splashed cash to buy 4 young players..
they will replace all the old with new one...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:49:22
I posted the same before in brief, but still lots of people seem really down about yesterday.

It was a bad game with little positives at all. However, we had 10 men for a good time and i thought unbiasedly that the penalty decisions were harsh.

Even with that in mind we collectively as a team were poor. But the new direction we are trying to play will take time. It is unlikely we will start that well but i hope to see the performances getting better and better as the team learn to adopt the new vision into play.

Lastly, Spurs lost also and Arsenal drew so at least we haven't been left alone.

Give Rodgers and the team time

Gareth

Give time to BR ! do we Have any choice ? the owner like to Gamble, we are in a hand of Gambler . I don't know whice football brain support it when Manager like Luis Van Gaal want the job we appoint a man who never work play for a Top club. my brain not support it from the day 1. I am wishing by my heart and soul that my word become wrong and BR will done well in All Red.

red-don

Spurs have AVB so that's no surpise and arsenal have lost there two best players ,us on the other hand are supposed to be moving in the right direction.If that is down then were doing very well ,only 1of the above will finish in top 5

Pls dont compare us with arsenal...
they will still loose players.
but wenger knows how to make into cl..

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:48:11
Haven't we just bought Assaidi to give the likes of Downing competition for his place. Yesterday we sucked big time. Joe Allen being the only positive. It took someone who's been in the team a week to show how it's done. Well done Joe. Also I hope we don't play Carragher against Citeh. He'll get shown up big time.

Honestly, If BR starts Carra I will lose faith in him.

I think seb will take that spot

I think we need a versatile defender who can play cd and lb who is better than carra and Coates...
TT

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:44:28
If ya want a laugh, today fm Ian demspey breakfast show, good skit with Roy keane chatting to stevie g. About being out of the title race in sept, out of the top 4 in dec, out of Europe and looking for a new manager in April. Funny but true.

Dublad

Out of top 4 by december ? Did he not mean
August .

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:40:54
Not a knee jerk reaction just an observation and concern at the overall direction that the club is heading.

Our future cannot be defined or shaped by the failings of the previous ownership. The obstacles and challenges they left future custodians should not as a right limit or define the ambition of future ownership. Yes the problems must be solved and overcome and the depth of the failings understood but that should not limit future ambition.

Firstly FSG were given a broad overly trusting welcome. Yet they freely admitted football was new to them and they had a steep learning curve. Well I feel we have paid and are continuing to pay for their niavety.

Firstly the communication at the club has gone from bad to worse.

SUAREZ GATE.
DEMPSEY HAS SIGNED OPPS NO HE HASNT.
THE PUBLIC COURTING OF A LIST OF MANAGERS.
THE PUBLIC TALK OF A NEW STRUCTURE AND FOOTBALL DIRECTOR ROLE THAT IS THEN DROPPED.

The appointment of Damian Commoli was insane.
The appointment of Kenny Daglish on a full time basis showed FSG had no coherant strategy.

If summer 2011 was the BIG SPEND to lay the foundations of future success why were the signings not subject to more internal scutiny? Most fans let alone football coaches could tell you are targets would never add the quality to bridge the widening gap.

Now the frugal approach shows we have not got the
financial clout to repair the damage done by the wasted millions of summer 2011.

One of Rafas few positive legacies was the acadamey.
Now with the departure of Pep Segura due to promised promotion that never happened we are close to destroying the continuity of the much hyped academy.

Add to this the fact that when sold all prospective buyers knew we had planning permission for a new stadium but FSG cannot fulfill that and therefore stadium ambiton will be resticted to a repainted rebranded renamed Anfield with improved "fan experience"

We are now not only struggling to attract our targets but also increasingly risk losing our top talent(Agger almost being touted around). We as a club reek of decline, publically acknowledging we dont have the funds. We are being told we will win by being clever but so far FSG have not looked too clever their tenure has been a chaotic and as frustrating as the last owners.

So they got the appoitment of Commoli and Kenny wrong and now they have gambled hugely on Rodgers.
Brendan is a good man a great communicator but the task of leading LFC back to the top is way beyond him, to be fair it may be beyond anyone.

We have started a new season moving players out we have brought 3 in who may have potentail but in terms of getting top 4 they will not offer immediate impact.

I love LFC and that is why im so conerned and suspicious of men who barely knew the club existed prior 2010. If they are astute business men then examine the transfer activity since they arrived we have paid way over the odds for unproven talent!

A club like LFC deserves ownership that can match the rich history of the club and the ambition of a massive global fan base, yet we seem to be run more like Aston Villa.

It is never wrong to voice concern or engage in debate, we were right to question H&G so why should FSG be beyond scutiny?

Concerned

Amen m8 most fans new the player we got last year would make no difference and not one started yesterday we are here waiting for allen Henderson Borini and Sterling to grwe in to better players buy the time they do other terms will buy them and we will buy more younger players and become a feeder club

Excellent post and valid assessment of our club. I'm just waiting for the flunkies to come out tell you to go support city.

Jed

Spot on mate, the 'FSG saved us from administration' brigade need to wake up and smell the coffee. The forthcoming Fifa FairPlay policy is a very convenient 'get out of jail card' for FSG, they can justify avoiding injecting any of their own money into the club. We've also got the 'mess from the previous owners tenure' excuse doing the rounds. Let's face it LFC are just a convenient hedge fund for John W Henry and his muckers during a turbulent economic period which has seen most industries, with the exception if sport, take a spanking.

Ozone

Great Post , Ye They saved us from going under , but we are being run Like Villa , we need some proven talent right now , we need at least 4 more more playes I said last week the squad was weaker and got shot down we have let 5 go and brought 3 in and at the end of season still needed 3 on what we had
I'm not convinced , and worried that the accademy is will also fall aprt , I like Brendon , but to be honest Martinez built the Swanse squad and Style of Play , and Laudrup would have been a good bet to
I hope I'am wrong about Fenway etc , but they are playing on the loyality of Liverpool Fans to just turn whatever the situation at thant what they are rellying on
K.O.B

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:36:26
right then, i've now slept since yesterday major disappointment, man city next then arsenal and utd, last season we did ok against the top teams especially at home,
we will soon see if this new so called style of play will keep our record against these teams good
but if we do get a good result next week we will all feel better, i'm not counting my chickens though,
one thing that really annoys me is the stick suarez is getting, he is our only world class player and he will be the one who will save us on many occasions this season

wardie

World class CF's consistently score. Maybe we can call him a world class nutmegger? Oh no, wait, defenders have caught onto that already.

The term 'World Class' is lost on some these days.

Thats why i said player not cf, read the post properly before you reply, thanks, ok i appreciate world class is lost on people and maybe i shouldn`t have used that term, but he would walk into most teams, he is feared by every team we come up against

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:27:23
Dempsey and Ramirez, get them in ! ant

It is quite obvious that downing is not good enough, he has had his chance, surely BR must be looking to replace him whether it will be ramirez i don`t think so
but dempsey is a must for another option up front

What makes you think they would want to come ?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:20:41
I think our problem lays with the defensive midfield position. Ever since Mascharano left we havn't looked the same side. Lucas had a good start to last season, and him and Adam looked good in protecting our back four.
I think, after yesterdays performance, that it is obvious that the back four need more protection, or we need to get central defenders who are gifted with pace.
Lucas cannot cover that position alone, and Allen is not someone who is going to break up the oppositions attack. We need a proper hard man in there alongside lucas.
I don't know what type of player Sahin is, but if he is like a Mascharano type, then we should do all we can to get hold of him.
I think Arsenal have the same problem, if they had a decent holding midfielder, ala Viera, protecting their back four, they would be challenging for the title.

Borelli

Allen can break up attacks, did you not watch yesterdays game? we need more attacking options, definitely someone who can chip in with a few goals over the season. sahin would be a great addition if possible but i don't believe if were to miss out on him it would be the end of world. And besides when lucas is back to full match fitnes he will be twice the player he was yesterday

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:19:11
It was a very disappointing game yesterday, but if it taught me two things, one is that Gerrard should no longer be an automatic choice.

Sadly, he is not the same player he was and father time looks to have caught, or certainly is catching up on him. Even last season we played better without him in the side.

Secondly, is that Stewart Downing serves absolutely no purpose. He will be 29 next summer and Liverpool is not his level.

Also, the people having a go at our owners are ridiculous! How can you argue that they haven't invested in our squad? Unfortunately, the hard facts are that the money was poorly spent. £93 million was spent by the last regime on Downing, Carroll, Suarez and Henderson, all in the quest to build a system that scores goals. Add the £11 million spent in Borini and there really is no question that the owners do back us.

I still believe Rodgers will come good, but he will have to make some difficult decision along the way.

Ash

Gerrard is getting over the hill these days body not up to it anymore we need to look beyond him to be a force again. stevelfc

I absolutely agree, Gerrard should not be an automatic select. It is true what you said about last season. I think it would actually up his game if he was left on the bench for a while. Downing has been given too many chances. He was terrible yesterday, last year and how many games has he played for LFC? If he hasn't cut it now - he aint gonna. Yes FSG have laid money on the line but the managers have not spent well. Look at what Fergie has been doing over the past decade - who does he target? The best of the best - from Cantona, to Tevez to Rooney to Ronaldo to RVP - he goes big. When I see all the money we have wasted - we could have bought Tevez and RVP and had loads of change. I think Rodgers might be the right man - if he can make the right difficult decisions like getting rid of Downing, Spearing, Cole and not bringing Carra on when we go 1-0 down. The next 4 games will really test BR and the team and could make or break our season.

One positive post from Ash last week and now he's back to moaning. Yawn yawn. Heard it all before

Way tp put down a poster by name, referencing multiple posts and not sign off. Maybe ash was in a bad mood because your lady gave him blueballs

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:12:30
Various reports this morning saying Sahin is close to a 1 year loan to Liverpool, but Arsenal are also trying to get him

Sunderland are in talks with City over a 10m bid for Adam Johnson. TBH, i think he could do a job for us and hope BR goes in with a bid

Clint Dempsey also looks likely early next week, but is this enough ? I'm not so sure. I think we need more fire power. Sell Carroll, Adam and Spearing to raise the cash and bring in 3/4 quality players

After yesterdays result, all is not lost, but we need to strengthen further


ReDDaZ

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:09:46
Just wanna say that I don't believe in all the doom and gloom that the season is over already, kneejerk or what,

I do think next weekend will be a massive test for the lads, lost our better defender in agger, and personally I would chose coates over carra, he doesn't fill me with the confidence he used to!

I think cole needs to go, at 90k a week he's holding the club back on a couple of potential signings.

Let's not forget Assadi (spelling?) is yet to come in to the team.

Come on lads a win against city and the mood changes completely!

Lfcmatt

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:08:25
ok we lost. bad days work. the truth is the team is not strong enough. we need more foward opions. he should have not started with allen as he had just come in. should of started with same team that beat gomel. its done now and we will just have to see what happens in the next two games because if we dont win them there will be no hope.

Allen was probably our best performer on the day.

Defense looked dodgy but that will improve with time as BR gets his ideas across, Swansea had a very solid defense last year they had a better back four as a team but not as individuals so as soon as BR gets his point across I have faith we'll be solid at the back.

Its in the attacking three positions where our problems lie. Suarez is brilliant but will never be a prolific goalscorer. Borini has only just come in and although he's played under BR and his system and has played in England before it will still take time for him to get used to playing with new players around him and adapt under the pressure of playing for one of the largest clubs in the world. Downing currently is not good enough. And our back up for these three positions are Assaidi who is a relative unknown and will again need time to adapt and Sterling who is extremely promising but too young to make a big contribution at this current time. It is clear Andy Carrol is not in BR's plans.

5 players for 3 positions and the current quality of these 5 players is not good enough bar Suarez at this current time. I have faith that Borini and Assaidi will valuable additions to those 3 attacking positions. Downing is a confidence player and if he could get back to his best could be useful. However it is clear that at least one and probably two additions need to be made. Dempsey and one other.

Swansea were not defensively sound they conceded more goals than they scored last year and blew a four goal lead against wolves towards the end of the season
NAVANRED

Allen was the best player on the pitch for liverpool yesterday

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:07:43
Come in guys lets cheer up,
Yesterday's game will have brought some vital points to BR's attention. Namely...

1. Suarez is not a striker, he wastes chances in every game, we need someone to put the ball in the net whether that be Borini or someone else, just don't play Luis in the most forward position!

2. Play people in their right positions. Johnson looked lost at LB, put some trust in young players for cover rather than playing first teamers on the wrong side!

3. Speak to Agger and Skrtel about the style of play needed, both looked confused.

4. Carragger and Cole are not game-changers, too old and slow for a game based on pace and movement. Shame but true. Need a CB back up, would rather see Coatea and Wilson brought in than Jamie embarrassing himself trying to keep up!

5. Don't sell AC, our forwards were poor, he offers that different dimension.

6. Downing should go, to call him anonymous would be a compliment, awful season has left him short of confidence and he does not have the mental strength to turn it around, keep him away from the first team!

7. Make sure players are fit before playing them (Lucas and Cole)

8. Somehow install belief to the team, once they go behind or have some bad luck they give up, like last season.

Ok it's been one game and I am sure if we won at City or Arsenal then it will be forgotten! But issues have been raised and I trust BR will address them! Big big big task ahead as now Players and fans will be short on confidence, but it can be done! YNWA

Red-David-26

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:03:06
We need someone with the balls to take off gerrard when he performs like that! Joe cole should have never come on. The owners aren't gonna throw a load of money at the team, they seen what 100 mil got them! I'm glad we lost the way we did, hopefully these deluded fans will see exactly what we are at the moment - a mid table team with a few class players! Also Suarez needs shooting practice!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:02:31
We really need to sell Lucas for 20 million. He does not fit into Rodgers brilliant new system. We have Joe Allen now anyway.

Goalpost

More likelywe didnt need to buy allen because we already had lucas and should veused the 15million on an attacking midfielder instead

Sell Lucas? And someone believed this? Our best player last season and the year before you saw how vital he was last year, when he has injured our form fell drastically, now after 1 game you want to sell one of the best DMs in the league, a player arsenal would kill to have. Wow.

I presume your kidding?
gareth

Allen & Lucas will be a top class CM pair. Prob is Gerrard at AM giving the ball away then ambling back... Set pieces got to sh#t street as well.

Duh.......!

We need to take Gerrard out and put Shelvey in no wonder they were pissing themselves.

Kopping a feel

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:01:37
Come on lads get behind the team and stop all this moaning can't believe all this talk about carragher retiring have u all gone mad having him around the team is a must we all no fsg haven't got big money we asked them not put put the club in debt we are liverpool the worst player for the last 2 years has been the 12th man so let's sing our hearts out at ever game and if we do it the players will do it

Warrington red

Yeah, having Carra around is doing wonders....

Maybe if we get rid of all these big ego's the youngsters will actually come through and play with confidence?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:01:06
have we all calmed done now after a sleep allfc

 

 

19 Aug 2012 11:00:01
Hello Eds,
Any truth in the rumours going around that Spearing is closing in on a move to Nott Forest ?
Also are Adam, Carroll, Joe cole any closer to the exit door ?
We genuinely need to act now and get them moving while bringing in a decent RW (possibly Walcott) and a poacher (maybe dempsey). {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

We paying Forest 3m to take Spearing?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:58:02
It's just like Liverpool to lose to a team like WBA and then turn over a team like man city, or am I being too optimistic?

Depends if we play carra CB, if thats the case i cant see him dealing with aguero at all.
M-H

Your arrogance is just unbelievable.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:53:16
Downing has had his chance,hes started this season as he finished last,rubbishe! BR can make room in midfield by offloading him along with Spearing and Cole.

Think brendan has to bite the bullet with downing, maybe starting with raheem sterling ahead of him will give him the kick up the hoop he needs and find some fire in his belly
ant

Don't worry I'm sure assaidi will replace him, more skillful pacy and always produces in the final third

Or just get rid asap

Downing throughout his entire career has been a player who "flatters to deceive".

Like alot of wingers he "disappears" in games, this is nothing new, however Downing's problem is that he "diappears" for groups of games, he plays well for one game and is then merely a "body on the pitch" for the next three or four games - he is ultra inconsistent, and has been his entire career ...this isn't surprising, what WAS surprising was that someone as astute as Kenny was "duped" into thinking he could turn him around ...and unfortunately, the owners naivity allowed the funds to be wasted on this bloke.

I don't know who you would replace him with, but whilst the transfer window is still open I would sell him, as a team we can't afford to "carry" another lazy, inconsistent player for another season.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:48:27
well atleast we know Agger is staying after that performance

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:46:52
The dust has settled after the shambles yesterday, our team is clearly not good enough, the owners now know, rodgers now knows, us fans already knew!
Whats gonna be done about it......absolutely nothing! Reality has kicked in, we have money grabbing owners who care nothing for liverpool, rodgers is small frie, the players believe this also n you saw that in there terrible performance! Sad times ahead im afraid, its just gonna get worse, 10th will be a realistic placing on where we will finish n us fans know it, those saying fourth place, pull your heads out the sand n look at the bigger picture! No money, poor management, poor players= disaster! We will beat hearts thursday but dont get excited bout that as the real test is next sunday n my prediction is liverpool 0 man city 5! Just posting what most liverpool fans are really feeling but are afraid to say it! FACT! Something needs to give before our empire completely crumbles! What you think eds? Thoughts would be welcome n tell me if im wrong! Thanks rant over!
HARDY1892 YNWA

You are wrong

The usual ostriches having trouble with the real world.

What will it take for the penny to drop ?

Zoogang

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:33:32
Hi eds! Well here we are again same old story now someone tell me why we would spend 15mil on a mid when for me allen really is not that much of an improvment on henderson and no passing t'he ball back and 2 the side will obviously give u great passing stats my point is we spent what money we did have on a mid when what we really need is a goalscorrer it beggers believe!top 4 i dont think so unless we get a top quality forward its going 2 be a long long season and after are first six games we could well be looking a long way up! I think unless henry backs rodgers his philosophy means nothing and really is not his fault its time for t'he owners 2 stand up and do there job and invest in t'he areas its needed!! King kenny

If you can't see that allen is a way better player than henderson, i think you need to evaluate whether football is the game for you, seriously

Joe Allen is a brill player and already looks like fitting in!! Adam, Hendo & Downer are like rabbits frozen in the headlights!

If you were actually watching the whole game you would realise that Allen was by far our best player and is far superior to Henderson.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:42:04
I spose u fans were reading your history books last night to help you sleep?

Go away saddo

Yah man we do got a history, what about u guys.

cheers

redh0t

History belongs in the past, if you look to the future you at least have the hope that things will get better,if all you have is memories you need to hang on to then you best find yourself a time machine that will take you back to Life on Mars and Gene Hunt.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:41:59
from what i seen yesterday i can savely say we need another star player like munian. suarez is the only player that an opposing defense is affraid of. i would also sign ramirez to play the gerrard role as i dont think he has too long left.

So we need another suarez great on ball not the best finished,,,, to be honest we need a robbie fowler that will convert chances as that is our problem

We defo dont need another Suarez!!! I actually think he is part of the reason we dont score goals. Tries to do everything himself, never passes and if he doesnt score no-one else gets a chance 2.

We need another Fowler!! He used to score.

I wonder how a frontline of Assaidi, Carroll & Borini would look? With Shelvey, Lucas & Allen in CM?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:35:21
will agger be back for arsenal?

Yes he will be, it will be just a one game suspension

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:29:03
FSG get your chequebook out or sell the club. Another bunch of yonks all talk no action.No stadium,no transfer money, just been offering out our best players for sale and selling good players and replacing them with s**t.

Trouble is mate it's our cheque book and it's us who end up footing the bill for over priced unproven players.

Frustrated man, feel sorry for your dog

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:23:36
Come on Liverpool, go an sign munain, llotente and Martinez an show some real intent

FSG could not even afford their plane tickets down to John Lennon airport.

Spend money ? Wash your mouth out!

No money, they have already spent 26 million and rogers has stated there is still money to spend.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:22:06
So much speculation over the summer with regards to agger, skrtel, Carroll and a little on Reina! The club not coming out an saying the right things about the rumours in my opinion, could this have something to do with the poor performance yesterday, not making excuses but all these rumours about our players is not doing our club any good, the sooner the transfer window is closed the better

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:17:13
All this panicing, calm down you guys; it's better to lose 3-0 in the beginning of the campaign than win the first three games 8-0 only to find out after the transfer period that the team isn't good enough.

If BR's seen the same game we've seen, he'll know we have to improve. HE WILL BRING IN SOMEONE.

Now I 'm bitterly dissapointed about our defence. One of our strong sides last season.
First goal: wondergoal
Second goal: how much space was there in between the two CB's?
third goal: where is the communication?

In the team today were two new players, that's always difficult. Give them some games to adjust, BR knows what these players are capable off.

Gerrard didn't have a good game, but it's one game he is still a top class player. He'll know he has to do better.
Lucas has just returned from injurie, give him some time to adjust and gain some rhytm.

If anything this game was a wake up call not just for BR, but also for the team, they have class and that's confirmed by many different coaches. They now know that getting in the top six (I'm realistic, we're not top four yet) isn't going to be easy.

Up untill now BR has been very considerate with his money buying only players he knows(Borini and JA) and bargains in Assaidi.
The only thing I would have done differently is; I would brought in Carroll earlier and I would keep him. He brings you something diffenent, every team can use a player like that.

Sorry eds for the long post, but all this depressing talk about LFC. We're supporters of LFC, say something positive.

Belgian Publian 85

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:07:14
We could have easily won that game, yesterday; especially if we had scored first, which we looked like doing. But we're not taking our chances. We can't keep saying it's down to bad luck.
We seem over reliant on Suarez and he's not an out and out finisher. We either need to bring in a finisher or others need to chip in with goals.......or preferably both, ha ha.
Let's not get too despondent after one league game.
Rigsby.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:05:27
1st game gone and a defeat. Its only the 1st game so give Rodgers a chance. However we shouldnt of got beat 3 nil. Shankly got beat 4-0 his first game and look what happened to him, Legend. Theres something about Rodgers that is like Shankly, they both tried to change the way we played. Recarnation?

I take it that wasn't Shanklys opening game of the season as yesterday was our biggest first day defeat in 75 years.

Ozone

Shankly arrived in the December, and his first game was a 4-0 home defeat to Cardiff.

Jimbo

Shankly is gone ,MOVE ON .....FFS

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:05:05
I would have thought that our performances from last season would have everyone being realistic of where we will finish this season - it's essentially the same average squad with the same problems that Rodgers inherited from Kenny, made larger because Rodgers has his own way of playing and takes time to get everyone onboard.

It's clearly a transition period; I rather we lose our first 2 - 3 games so Rodgers can properly assess and address the shortfalls in the squad and start building from there on. There are quite a few teams that are better than us right now, but I'm confident Rodgers WILL get us to the top. The size of the task is enormous - there really is no quick-fix; as long as we get near top 4 and improve on last season, I'm happy.

It may not be this season - there will be players who will leave because we are not in the Champions League, but once the new core team is in place, filled by players who want to play for LFC, I believe the next few seasons will see a very different, very vibrant Liverpool!

Singred

 

 

19 Aug 2012 10:03:37
Is it true we dont have any more money to spend unless we sell players? Or is this people making BS up after a defeat to make on things are going bad? {Ed002's Note - I have explained the broad financial aspects ad nausium. Try the search function.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:59:33
Is it just me or would anybody else rather see Rodgers go than Carroll? I think Rodgers will be lucky to see 18 months in charge, while Carroll is the future of the club for years.

If everybody else had shown the fight that Carroll did in the last 15 minutes when he came on, we would be sitting pretty with 3 points now. I agree he looked lazy and uninterested when he first came, but that was because he was injured and not match fit. Since he got his fitness, he has been putting in more of a shift than anyone.

redmersey

I think the club needs stability. Bradan needs a good few seasons in charge. Fergie was no over night success. Chopping and changing managers a la chelski could be one of the worst things for LFC. I have also reservations but I think we've got to get behind Rogers and accept there is a lot of work to be done to bring the club around.

That said, I'd be a lot more tranquil going into the game against city with Dalglish in charge, Bellamy still at the club, Carroll up the pecking order because we absolutely battered Man City last season. If we play like we did on Saturday we could be facing an 8-0 loss. Lets get through this storm!

Yes. It's just you.

BigBadBen

Another few seasons of everton being better then

What storm? And why refer to 'Fergie' after just one loss? Behave yourself...you're as bad as the rest! Some of your points are cringe worthy as Kenny and Craig are no longer at the club. Sort it out.

DaveyBootle

BigBadBen, it seems it's not just me, judging by the agree button. Seems we'll just have to agree to differ. I'm sure we both want the same thing - but only time will tell which way will achieve it.

redmersey

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:52:38
Eds what's your dig on Johnson how much is he worth ?
Tbh I don't think he should be at city he a great player with loads of potensal. {Ed002's Note - My "dig"? Are you a beatnik? I am hip to him.}

Like, maybe we can get him on loans-ville?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:50:32
Are we looking at Assaidi to be a bit part player or could we see him thrown in either against Hearts or even Man Sh**ty. A little of unknown may give us the kick start we need?
Red Moon

Its man city how old are you? And btw they won the league last season

Mate give city respect. they destroyed man unitd in 60 seconds

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:49:01
A few weeks back everyone of us applauded the arrival of Borini as though he were Lionel Messi, and L'pool the new Barcelona. What has changed so soon?

West brom spanking us

It was ONE flipping game....in 10 games if we are still getting spanked then blame BR, Borini and all the others..BUT give them a chance at least!

Ok, we'll wait through 10 games of spanking then say told u so.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:48:52
thinking about our loss...looking back at highlights and remembering i saw we should take few lessons..playing Glen on right back and investing is another lb if BR is not confident on Robinson.. and loan him out..carraghar should not be sub and our sub bench only had one defender i don't know why...coates should have been there if not injured and Kelly and Coates should be played in central is skrtel or Agger not available... Another creative midfielder is required if Henderson and Shelvey are unable to compete with Gerard for start spot but no major concern about that... Suarez should have been played on right as Borini is more suited to central and better finisher then Suarez when he creates chances...more like winger...left wing again downing for me is liability and Sterling or Assaidi in near future should be preferred and if we add Dempsey then he can swap with Suarez.. Carroll , Adam and Spearing seems to be out of door and lets add Downing to it as well should he performs like that by Jan.. little tweaking and more effort from players and we shall see positive results... Thursday should see us playing Assaidi and sterling and Henderson instead of Gerard and Coates or Kelly in as well..

Harry Oldbury

Totally agree Harry plus Allen and Lucas cannot play together, we only need one holding midfielder.

Ozone

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:48:13
at Red Derry & Son, It's not a knee jerk reaction, but built out of frustration. We got rid of 5 players ( 2 with guts & passion ) and only had one in ( now 3 ) There didn't seem to be any fight today and the defending was schoolboy. I have supported this club for over fifty years and although I now live overseas, I used to hop on the Belfast-Liverpool ferry on a Friday night, go to the game and then back on the Sat. night. I have travelled all over to watch LFC and was hoping for a new dawn with BR, but with the owners coming out and saying they are still paying for the mistakes of the old regime ( something that they must have known when they took over ) doesn't bode well.
I said it wasn't essential we win today, but with City and Arsenal as the next 2 games, what if we have 0 pts after 3 ? I seriously hope not and we did fare well against the top teams last year, so hopefully we can get a result and get back on track YNWA

Fair play to you - done that overnight ferry once and never again. I'm as disappointed and frustrated as anyone mate. It just seems the reaction to one game where things didn't go our way is way over the top.
I do agree with the comments that the lack of fight and bottle when we conceded were the biggest concern. I would suggest the fact that we have a new manager who is most likely operating on a shoestring (and trying to rebuild us from where in reality we are - a long way off the top) makes it all the more important that we are patient and supportive. We all want the new dawn, I think that maybe we all have a part to play - a lot of opposing fans revel in any chance they get to do a bit of LFC bashing, same goes for many elements of the media - probably a bit of latent jealousy at our great history. They all provide enough negativity - I feel a big part of my role as a supporter is to provide as much positive support as possible. In a funny way it makes me feel a tiny tiny part of any success we have. I don't need to be told that 'real supporters' have a right to voice concerns / have their say etc - I have my say too in private with LFC mates but we stick together in public. I'm sure BR and the players don't need to be told that yesterday was not good enough - that's not my job to do ! I know I'm going on but I'm fairly passionate about what I believe our role as supporters should be and if anyone ever doubted the power of it - think of the fans at half time in Istanbul !!!
I love being a supporter because even after days like yesterday I still approach Man City and Arsenal with schoolboyish blind optimism.
Red Derry.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:42:52
It is clear that after yesterday's game, a class finisher is desperately needed. Any interest in Defoe? One of the best in the business.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:42:00
ive said this b4 but carra needs to retire .gerrard is only at the moment a 45 min man

we need a goal poacher like what Fowler was ... we need a new hyypia in the bk 4 to boss the defence... and some1 in the midfield with the killer pass like what alonso was ...(we could just pay madrid and get him bk)

I think carragher aged ten years over the summer

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:40:44
Jordan rhodes to join next week for 5 million.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:39:41
Watched motd last night and although we didn't cover ourselves in glory I couldn't help but think how quickly dowd gave the first pen and subsequent sending off. Go back 12 months at anfield against Sunderland where Richardson takes down Suarez for what would probably be the most blatant red card of the season yet we still didnt get the decision. Dowd Liverpool opening day of the season, not a good mix.

Cheers
Greggers

I to watched motd and before it i was angry about the pens but after watching it again with a clear head they were both 100% pens and the first Agger was last man so had to go, the second pen was just clumsey but a pen, so the ref if you think about it did a good job and dont forget last season he helped us in the derby. ash

Dowd get off r site.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:37:56
Can I just say that some people have gone OTT on just one game. Rodgers needs us to give him time its not going to happen after one game.

We also can't judge players after one ninety mins. It's so important that firstly he gets our home form right and then our away form will come. Two home league games coming up but we can get 6 points. We do lack firepower though let's hope we can sort this over the coming days.

Mighty reds

Tell that to ozone and atlfc47
AnfieldUSA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:32:28
Morning eds and reds just a quick question even tho we have upped suarez wage and bought3 players wer the players that left enough to both cover this and significantly reduce the wage bill? and are we we anywere near down to what the owners would consider a reasonable wage or are we still way to high cheers. Thanx n great site as always eds. CRAIG {Ed002's Note - I really don't think finances are a good subject for discussion as it has been demonstrated repeatedly that folks easily become confused. The wages that the club removed last season really helped. Poulsen being off the wages as of the end of July helped. The contribution to Aquilani's wages for the next two years is covered by teh fee. It is going in the right direction.}

FSG should sell the club to owners who can provide a new stadium.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:30:59
Thought Hanson was harsh on the pool yesterday. Can't agree on pens, Agger outside the box, Skrytl no intent, unaware of where player was. Do you think he's over criticsl because his mate was fired?

I think he was really kind to Rodgers. Saying he needs time?

Gazman

Hansen was bang on

Red tinted glasses mush,you only see what you want to see, accept it you are a spent force ,average mid table team, the futures bright the futures blue and white UTT {Ed006's Note - The future isnt Huddersfield Town...}

Hanson? thought they got mmmbop all wrong

Wait til the african cup of nations starts muppet, an put a t-shirt on

One game at least hell be boast the rest of the season

I thought hansen was wrong. Maybe second was penalty..but no intent at all.

I have thought Hansen and the rest have become really arrogant over last few years and talk about football as if no one should ever miss a goal or get out of position. I was young when he played and he was a great defender but mistakes happen/concentration will sometimes lack and so did his

gareth

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:29:11
if Agger cant play the game against city (BR might appeal, though not sure if it will pass), and we end up depending on Carragher against Manchester City, we're gonna have a bad time, like real bad. Aguero, Teves and Balotelli will be too strong for Carragher i believe, we have to use Coates.

Kaizer

Id put Kelly in the middle and if Enrique is fit back at left back and Johnson at right back. Sorry Jamie but I agree too much pace for him at City these days!
Thought we created alot (but same old cant convert again) and stats say 57% possession (for a team with 10 men) but last 10 mins were embarassing!

Definetely coates

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:26:41
hai Ed..warm mng..and excellent work..
saw the game..and dissapointed...3-0...pathetic scoreline..
performance wise.
kelly was awful...caught plenty on the right side..
this was lucas worst game i have ever seen..gerrard was even worser..allen had a good game..so as suaez...
downing...rubbish....
we need a striker..simple as that..a perfect No-9..
need to sell caroll for anywhere near 15 mill and then add another 5..and need to buy one with 20 mill..
a genuine world class striker..
I know its hard to come...but money tempts people to come down...
we actually need 2 strikers...
Looked at the bench..
hendo,adam, joe cole...all need to be sold..
hendo will never be good..
I am happy with the midfield..
allen lucas and gerrard will do it..
but we need a good front 3..

Ed..whats the situation with remy?
or may be huntelar...
both will come for a combined 25 mill?
I would be happy..
feeling gutted if Everton gets adam johnosn and Mirallas...I think thats a great business for me..Its a shame we never went for mirallas..
every top club have 3-4 stikers..
we have only 1..boroni..
suarez is no.7..he and gerrard will create chances...but we need someone to score..
its been 2 years..and we havent relpaced torres..
what a miss he has been ti liverpool..
a player who scored from anywhere...dammmmmmm
we spent all our money in midfield...
never buy a decent striker...
caroll should go immediatly and to be replaced..

What are your thoughts ed?? {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

Did you go to school?

The school in question must have been for delinquents, or possibly this young man is pre school and off uniform shopping with his mum in the morning
redtilimdead

Wow elipses galore

Haha, Suarez create chances for anyone but himself? Funny one.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:25:28
Hi Eds and fellow Reds

It was a bad day yesterday,but it's one game and we very rarely get a good start on the opening day of the season. I know we expect to beat West Brom home or away but we lost and we must move on quickly.

We can not be judged on one game we lost, as we could not be judging us if we had won yesterday.
Shankly, Paisley, Rafa and Dalglish have experienced losing the opening game of the season and they came through it. I'm sure we'll bounce back against Man City.
Anfield will rocking and us Reds will cheer them on to our first win of the season.
The best way we can be judged is when our backs are against the wall and if this team can show character in the next few weeks against City,Arsenal, Sunderland and Utd and if we don't lose any of these games, this would put us in good stead for the rest of the season.
Next week, if we beat City , BR and the team will be forgiven and everyone will be rejoicing and some will make wild predictions about where we will finish in the league.
If we do beat Man City it does not mean we're ok, it just means we will have 3pts and we will feel good until the next game. If we win the next 4 games, then we can feel pretty optimistic for the season ahead, however we must not get carried away as we must not get carried away about yesterday, regardless how disappointed you were.

Get a grip and get behind the Boss and the team at least give them until Christmas before you judge.
We are LIVERPOOL F.C. A GREAT CLUB WITH GREAT LOYAL FANS.Some posters on here probably never go the game and are not real supporters of our club.

We will get over the defeat, move on and prove our doubters wrong and we will be proud of BR and the Team come the end of the season.

Red Robin.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:20:08
Why oh why does to transfer window close cfter th season has started? Some of our players look really unsettled not knowing if they are in or out this season, can't be good for morale. BR says the shirt hangs heavier at Liverpool, it must be leaden if you're not sure if you're wearing it again! Can't think that Carroll and Adams happiness is lifting the feel go od factor in the team {Ed002's Note - It is the same for everyone.}

Agreed, but not all clubs are touting some of their best and highest profile players, Agger and Carroll. Arsenal would fall into this category but they replaced RVP before selling him.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:17:16
Hi Ed's

Just some questions.

1. Carroll clearly is not in the plans going forward. Pity things have ended like they have for him. Do you think Newcastle will still come and get him before the transfer window closes?

2. If we fail to get Sahin then who else are we interested in regarding attacking midfielders?

3. Are rumours true that Forrest are in for Spearing? Lucas looked way off match fitness yesterday. I am not sure if he even knew where he was. Are we looking at backup for Lucas should Spearing go?

4. Do you also feel we have seen the end of Gerrard. It just does not seem like he will find his best form again. What a great player, one of the best in our history. Is it not time to find a proper replacement for him after this season?

Also would just like to say that Allen had a great debut. He reminded me of what we had with Alonso. Can see him making it big at Anfield.

Red4Life {Ed002's Note - (1) I expect Newcastle will be one of the interested clubs - Spurs quite possibly another; (2) I am not sure that any alternate to Sahin will be sought if he doesn't sign; (3) Perhaps; (4) Whilst Gerrard is getting older I would, personally, not judge him by one game alone. (5) Allen will I am sure be a good addition to the squad.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:14:46
If its true that we have had a 20m offer for Agger I would take it in a heartbeat! I have always thought he is average. He is lazy, arrogant, bags his team mates, injury prone and yesterday proved it.

You are an ignorant fool.

AG

What a complete load of tosh, were you dropped on your head at birth? Agger is a class player which is why last years CHAMPIONS want to buy him, he plays with passion and clearly loves life at LFC.There is no question we have not had consistent appearances from him due to lists of injuries, but when fit he must be one of the first names on the team sheet, composed on the ball and great to watch running out of defence looking to set up an attack, reminds me a Hanson in his pomp. So if if you go out today wear a hat to avoid sunstroke that way you might just be able to post something verging on intelligent.
redtilimdead

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:13:46
hold ur horses guys this is ain't one game season.it's a game it happens."Sometimes, to win something one has to lose something..And one who wins after losing is called Gambler".

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:12:10
Isn't it funny how Agger manages to get sent off just before the man city game. Doesn't that mean he will miss it.

Just a thought. Remember, the transfer window is still open and he is the most speculative one to be leaving. {Ed002's Note - He will miss it unless he appeals, which I would doubt.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:07:38
ed001,pls cheer the people up,tel them to look at the longer picture.i am a very impatient person,but when it comes to liverpool,i change,i am prepared to wait.and bythe way did u see the pressing yesterday,it was top notch ,i was impressed.
INDIAN SCOUSER YNWA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:06:47
Hi eds is Agger an automatic 3 game ban? Also any news on Enrique injury?

Thanks
Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - It will most probably be a single game.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:03:22
hey eds where is my post man.i've asked u somethin...

holy_red {Ed002's Note - I have not seen anything signed "holy_red".}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 09:02:30
I missed yesterdays game as I am away on my hols in Finland, but after reading some of the posts I was quite depressed. I managed to log onto LFC site today to watch the match, and its obvious that the two penalty decisions along with Aggers ridiculous red card, completely changed the game.

Our bad luck is continuing, the ref was an absolute joke..... as usual! there wer some good moves played by the boysm but 10 men is a big hurdle to any team trying to attack.

From what I saw, Gerard, Downing and Borini hardly affected the game...... what on earth was up with them I dont know.

Downing really has to push on, or he will find himself out. To date he has to be the most under performing player weve ever had !

Brendan needs more time, a few more options up front, but most of all.....he has to realise that our midfield is just not good enough to play 4 3 3. They were overun by a fairly average 4 4 2 system.

Until we get ourselves sorted I think he has to revert to 4 5 1 or 4 4 2, until we have a nucleus who can play his new system. City will rip us apart if we play 4 3 3 against them Im afraid. We must control the middle of the park, then break quickly as one, that is the key

I personally feel that Brendan needs to learn fast and reorganise his system accordingly.

Tel 1949

What was that Monty Python song?
Finland oh Finland the place I want to be...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:55:45
Amazing how after our excellent Europa league performance,everyone thought that Rodgers had cracked it and he and his philology/system was the dogs bollox.Now after a fairly insipid performance most on here would like to stock buoys nuts in a vice. Thankfully they're are a few sane fans left who realise that today was a blip,albeit a rubbishty one and it was littered with individual errors by quality players. Agger,his partner in crime Skrtel and Gerrard. But writing the great man off like some imberceals have been doing just think back to the posts you are all sending in during the Euro's when most of you were creaming in the ol Speedo's re his performances. Let's get behind the team, an alien concept for some of yous at the best of times. Try it guy's, contrary to some of yours piss and moan default mind set, you might even like it.
Jonson

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:51:51
It is embarassing that we are talking about Sahin joining and all of our problems will be solved. What I saw yesterday was the same rubbish. We can't score to save ourselves, our defense is second rate, I mean did Agger and Skrtel seriously think they could have a cup of coffee and then pass the ball out of defense? Kelly is not good enough and neither is Downing. Borini looks average. I don't mean to be negative but it is so frustrating. I am prepared to give BR time but his substitutions yesterday where confusing. Why bring Carragher on at 1-0 when we would be chasing the game? Why bring Carroll on at 3-0? He is not going to create miracles. I would be playing Coates before Carragher. Suarez is a great player but only finishes for Uruguay. This squad/team needs a complete makeover. Clearly not good enough. We had about 60,000 pounds of rubbish sitting on the bench. I am so frustrated because it is so important to get off to a good start but every season is the same crap. (Jim from Melbourne Australia)

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:45:47
Massive knee jerk reactions- players are not fit to wear shirt., manager out of his depth, owners aren't backing us etc etc. None of this is true of course and fans that say so don't understand football. 1. Players. Each and every one of the would be gutted. 2. Manager- give him a chance 3. Owners- for me this is our problem. They have invested plenty, they are desperate for us to succeed and they are obviously good business men. But football wise they are naive and rely on advisors all the time. Comoli- mistake, dalglish-mistake, spending 100 mill on mediocrity- massive mistake, race row- mistake. With all the good will in the world their naivety is slowly sinking this club. The one promise around a new stadium or redevelopment seems no nearer. On the bright side they are not persons and won't cling on to this club if there's no money to be made. Tough times ahead.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:39:33
Any new on Sahin? Why hasn't Theo Walcott signed a new contract? Have Liverpool got any transfer funs left to spend? Any news on Clint Dempsey? {Ed002's Note - Read the posts please.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:35:57
We played pretty poorly yesterday but Phil Dowd was just as bad.We need to get behind the team now and a win at city could be just what we need.I think we are still missing a true goal scorer and hopefully we will get one soon.
Red raj

Against city??
aguero, tevez, balletoli, and dzeko?
are u dreaming....3-0 to city anyday

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:33:43
oh and downing doesnt have the heart to be a liverpool player


tom1975

Does'nt have the feet either.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:26:34
santi cazorla was very impressive for arsenal yesterday, how much did he cost again??


tom1975

Still didn't win though, did they. Only good moment at all yesterday.
ND

Not his fault giroud missed that chance, cazorla played very well

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:23:02
We need to go and but 2 goal scorers asap.

Although the result was poor yesterday we had some great chances to score (mainly via Suarez). Looked like the same problems as last year - finishing.

I've always defended Downing but can't on yesterday's display and Gerard was also off the boil.

I'm sure BR will get there but fear if we have a few bad results they will be turned on.

I think we all need to dig in and ride out the certain short term turmoil, remember how far Arsenal slipped early on last year.

My biggest fear is I think Reina will hand in a transfer request, he looks like a man who doesnt want to be here anymore

Perhaps a new start is needed with StevieG, Carra, Reina & co leaving/retiring or moving out fo the starting line-up?

Our supposedly world class superstars of: Gerrard, Reina, Agger, Johnson, Carra and co have not cut the mustard for ages. No-one should be safe. Perform or go/get dropped.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:20:34
based on yesterdays game fsg need to splash out 20-25 on leandro daimao to stick the ball in the onion bag, get sahin in on loan, sell stweart downing and replace him with someone who can actually beat his man

the team needs proper investment in attacking areas really badly

ihope rodgers has givne the players an absolute bollicking on the coach home

tom1975

please just daimao id be happy

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:15:43
It's about time the senior players pulled their act together. More than all of the managerial and player changes, it is the senior players now in the team that needs to stand up. Whether that includes Cole, Downing or Gerrard or Carragher, they need to perform now, or be dropped!

AG

I seriously would only keep: Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Enrique, Lucas, Allen, Borini, Suarez & yes Carroll. If BR rates himself, help the big lad improve certain aspects to combine with his other undoubted talents.

Add the youngsters: Sterling, Kelly, Robinson, Gulacsi, Suso, Adorjan, Ibe & Morgan.

Really happy with the players who have left already. I would add: Reina, Carra, Gerrard, Hendo, Downing, Adam, Spearing, Doni, Jones, Pacheco, Coates (he is too slow & clumsy and will never be a top4 CB).

Time for a big clearout. New squad, fresh ideas, no big ego's. These players have had long enough and can't cut it.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:04:05
Shambles yesterday at the back & wasteful upfront...... its last season all over again.
On the positive side of things its only 1 game, but its clear we need a goal scorer because Saurez shouldn't be the out-&-out striker. Maybe Spurs would consider DeFoe + Cash for Carroll?

Gav the Red

Andy would have scored that Suarez header. Give the lad 90mins and he will score most games. Telling you.

Biggest mitake Rodgers has made so far.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 08:01:18
Save the negativity the next time we encounter a Torres, Hicks/Gillette or Downing. Some things are shades of grey and today's performance was one.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 07:50:32
I always thought tika yaks was based around a target man. Barca wanted ibrahamovic to that role but failed. Llorente does it at bilboa.

Guess who replaced ibra perfectly? Messi.

Kaizer

Bilboa tika taka ? Really... They do hoof it quite a lot, they are certainly not like Barcelona arsenal etc..

~ShaneK

Looks to me that Tika Taka is pass and move with no move and no more than three coherent passes

 

 

19 Aug 2012 07:50:14
Watching match of the day and i can not believe that second penalty! Ref is a bloody shambles

 

 

19 Aug 2012 07:47:32
Hello Eds, hope you post this !
The most embarrassing defeat for years on the opening day must surely trigger FSG to spend some decent money on players with not just potential but with a tested track record in the elite european leagues.
Lots of talk on this site of players with potential to become great but thats a risk in itself, and after yesterday its clear that we need a striker who can bag 18-20 goals a season and a right winger which is probably a role we have needed to strengthen for 10 years.
For me I would like to see Adam Johnson and either Adebayor or Demba Ba brought in, all of which are realistically available with maybe Adebayor the most unlikely because of his wage demands, but if you want 20 goals you have to pay for it !!!!!!!
Would appreciate you ideas of who could fill these positions Eds, and who we are looking at other than Sahin, Tello ( or has he signed a new deal at Barca) , Callejon etc which I know you have covered in depth.

YOZLFC

We need Ramirez in the AM to push Gerrard. Tired fo watching his lazy ass lose the ball and not chase back. Pay the 15m and get him.

And dont sell Carroll!!! Rather sell Downing, Henderson, Adam & Spearing to fund it.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 07:44:59
League predictions for this season.
1. Liverpool
2. Man city
3. Man united
4. Newcastle
5. Arsenal
6. Chelsea
7. Spurs

KEEP THE FAITH!

We might be first in the championship next season.

Is that final legue position or total number of penalties conceded?

Arsenal will finish above newcastle, spurs will be about 7th though,

and i dont know why everyone is hyping up united

Faith? More like delusion...

Just love comedians we will finish about 7th at best

Honestly, learn to support will you? I agree, first is where we will finish. It's pathetic how moody you lot are(atlfc47). Either that or you are all pregnant women with bipolar syndrome
AnfieldUSA

 

 

19 Aug 2012 07:42:20
In my opinion I think the prem is as tight as it has ever been. I think it's going to be a great season for excitement.

I noticed yesterday that the mid table clubs have closed the gap. It will take at least 45 points to stay but I think we will only need 60-65 points for top 4.

2 Manc teams ending 20 points ahead of 3rd place. Really tight.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 03:43:10
Was at the game, corporate day and was right on the halfway line surrounded by baggies (and David moves) not that that's relevant.
Allen was excellent, borini was ok
Kelly was poor, Lucas off the pace, Gerrard was very poor second half.
Downing was complete rubbish as usual
Andy Carroll is plan b - but he is off so what's the point even talking about it.
At times we were excellent but on the whole the shape was not there. And bringing joe cole on - is that all we can muster - oh dear.
On a positive note I spoke to Ben Forster after the game in the restaurant and he said Suarez had him beaten twice, but still missed.
Early days, we never start well.
REDditch

Finally someone talking some sense

I,m trying to be reasonable in my thoughts this year, instead of letting it ruin my weekend.
REDditch

Albion were ordinary yesterday,and Olssons
positioning along with Reid for the Suarez chances were diabolical,but Liverpool never could get a grip on midfield and defensively
they were a shambles.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 03:26:13
When, as players, you see the referee not calling it both ways evenly, it does dishearten and take the fight out of you, kind of like fighting quicksand, you feel you cannot win so why keep trying.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 03:24:30
Well thats the first game gone.

The performance was in a few words " Not up to the Mark".

Now, there are people slating BR for his playing style. I think if I was BR I would have popped a vein on my forehead after seeing the first 30 minutes.

Did you see Allen regularly in the first half? No.

Why do you think that is? Our intelligent players who thinks they know better than our manager about tactics decided to play hoof football. Gerrard was absolutely horrible today. I don't know why he was on the field in the second half. There is a good reason why we are interested in Sahin.

I also have a few complaints about Agger and Skrtel. They decided that rather than passing it to Allen, it would be better to hoof it up to Suarez or Gerrard.
Kelly also need to improve a lot if he is to play pass and move.

As for our forward line, Suarez is not a goalscorer. The kind of chances he missed was really painful to see. I would like BR to swap Borini and Suarez.

The only positive thing was that after coming out in the second half, we were playing good football and dominating WBA. Alllen was most notable during this period. Even Gerrard didn't try to attempt his Adam-esque hollywood balls which Allen does much better.

I honestly believed that we would win the game during this time. But, then Gerrard screwed up again, leading to the Agger's red card. The game was over for me at that moment. Because 10 vs 11 is a very difficult situation, but it only gets worse when your captain is not interested in playing rather than mouthing off his teammates. The bashing that Gerrard gave Downing was really very arrogant. he hadn't done a single notable thing till then. At least Downing was trying. Gerrard was not even bothered with that.

I think Gerrard needs to be dropped by BR as to say that he does not have a god-given right to start unless he performs or give the arm-band to Lucas.

I hope that Coates starts against City. And I think we should play Assaidi-Borini-Suarez against them.

I generally don't moan at all and have a lot of patience, but that performance by Gerrard actually infuriated me. I am starting to think whether he is actually a destructive influence on the team.


Corvin

Couldn't agree more, mate...I too said after the match, to anyone who cared to listen to me, that Gerrard's performance angered me. Rome 77

Carra & Gerrard.... living on reputation alone.

Its ok having big ego's that the younger players feel they have to play second fiddle to... as long as they warrant those big ego's with performances. Reina & Suarez joining that list - although Reina least did something for a change yest (p#ss poor penalty though).

 

 

19 Aug 2012 03:06:24
Eds i respect your views especially ed001 he is my favourite. would you guys not mind putting up a weekly analysis for liverpool games,explaining how the individual players performed etc .
A separate page or post in any section would do too. I would love ed001 to do it but would not mind any others do it too(any ways all you guys are equally good).
would do u think ed?

Sanjit. {Ed002's Note - We don't have the time to do it Sanjit but if you or one of the others wishes to we can put it up oin the team page. If you knew the truth about Ed001 I very much doubt he would be your favourite any more.}

The truth about ed001? is he related to Sparky?

Kaizer {Ed002's Note - Sparky is a labradoodle (@WonderDogSparky) and Ed001 is a different species entirely.}

Truth what truth ! LOL

Well i just had to ask ed002. haha. who knows right?

Kaizer

I want to know the thruth ed002!LOL.

Sanjit

What do fellow reds think. hopefully more agree buttons.

Sanjit.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 03:05:58
Ed will today's preformamce affect incoming transfers? {Ed002's Note - No.}

It bloody well ought to

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:59:58
Eds's it's 3 in the morning, is it safe to come out yet or shall I leave it for a few more days before visiting the site again?

Got a feeling there might have been a few "Rodgers Out" posts!

dmedly

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:48:05
Hi Ed's
Is there a chance of more signings that will improve our starting 11?
After Rodgers has said we don't have anymore money?
Plz post cuz I need some info. {Ed002's Note - Yes a player or two will arrive.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:42:40
Hi Eds, after yesterday's games, I think we need drastic changes to our squad.

1. Is Sahin moving to us?
2. Is Carroll on his way out?
3. Any possibilities of Ramirez coming?
4. Is Dempsey coming? If so, will it be a straight cash or player plus cash?
5. We need a new winger and we've been linked with Tello, Walcott and Johnson. I believe Tello has signed a new contract and Adam Johnson is on his way to Sunderland. Also, Walcott is unlikely to move to us. So, I was thinking after watching the Newcastle and Tottenham game, why don't we go for Lennon? He's technically brilliant. He's fast, good acceleration, can beat a player and has a good cross in him. Is there any possibility of this?
6. If a new winger does come in, will Downing or Henderson be on there way out?
7. My sources are telling me that Spearing will complete his £3m move to Nottingham Forest in the next 48 hours.
8. Finally, will Agger be leaving Liverpool this transfer window?

Sorry it's a long one. Thanks Eds, keep up the good work! YNWA {Ed002's Note - You really should yse the search function but vriefly: (1) Perhaps; (2) There is a good chance; (3) Not if he read the trashing the fans gave him when Sparky said he might be moving to Soton; (4) Efforts have been made as you should know; (5) A new winger has signed this week; (6) I doubt it; (7) Jolly good; (8) Perhaps.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:23:03
My opinion on Assaidi. After using the search function when he signed I noticed Ed002 saying it looked nailed on he was going to Fulham.(not a dig Ed as we all know things change) but from your info that means Martin Jol is an admirer who knows the Dutch League inside out. Very good buy for the price. Shelly.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:17:45
Hi Ed's and Reds.
I am not one to moan when it comes to LFC, but I am afraid if we do not invest in a proven goalscorer very soon then we are in for a long ride again this season. Suarez is a fantastic footballer but not an out and out goalscorer.
The American owners need to prove to the fans that they are prepared to spend on quality proven players, because if we lose to Man City, then fail to get a result at Arsenal then the fans are not going to be happy!
If we do not achieve CL this season I guarantee we will not be keeping the likes of Agger, Reina, Suarez, and Johnson for next season.
Where will that leave us then?

Red Lee

 

 

19 Aug 2012 07:34:49
No reason to panic!

If we get in Sahin, Dempsey/Walcott, things will be looking good. It will just take a little while to gel! Things will only improve!

AZ

We need a cf who can score not walcott

we need daimao even if he costs us 25million

We're NOT getting Sahin.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 06:56:54
This is just pure banter n maybe a ridiculous thought but Ive just read about how many LFC supporters there are world wide.. It varies alot from 40 to 70 to 140 million supporters world wide.. would it be illegal or impossible for liverpool to open an account for all liverpool supporters to donate money into for a transfer fund (knowing its only transfer fund) kitty.. Say theres 70 million fans n less then half of us donate 1£ or 1€ or 1$ or 1¥ once or twice (i no i would if we all jumped on) us fans could b title contenders before we know it..feel like were buying n building the team as one.. Plus owners transfer funds obviously.. Is that legal or never work or is it actually possible.. eds n reds thoughts..?

Smurf {Ed002's Note - You are clutching at straws again.}

Maybe so.. Could b ridiculous, could b genius.. Was just a thought.. Besides, this is a banter page isnt it ed002..?

Smurf

 

 

19 Aug 2012 06:51:36
Analysis time lads. It was not great was it? However, up until West Brom scored we were much the better side. West Brom scored a wonder goal that no one could have done anything about, no one. Then our heads started to drop, however Rodgers sent them out with a bit more pace in the 2nd half.

Then Daniel Agger gets sent off. That was it as a contest, all the players let their heads drop and we couldn't keep hold of the ball. Steven Gerrard I will single out as the worst performer on the pitch, particularly because he was NOT the leader of the team that he should be.

However, taking all that into consideration, it was only the first game of the season. I know we're all disappointed and a little pissed off but now is not the time to push the panic button. Lets not forget that Bolton thrashed QPR 5-0 on the opening day of last season and they went down. Spurs had no points from their first 3 games of the season and they were challenging for the title for a bit. It means nothing. We need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and come out firing against City to make sure this level of performance doesn't happen again.

I would welcome all thoughts, positive or negative on my break down of the match from both posters and the Ed's.

KiwiRed

I disagree i thnk we started the game rather averagely, therewas none ofthishigh pressing game, the seven secondwin the ball back rulewasnt in effect, borini is useless wide left, suarez is useless in front ofgoal, gerrard was missing in midfield, lucas wasnt fullymatch fit, downing could beat his man,wewere very average and i thought from start to finish west bromwere the better fitter hungrier side who wanted thewin more than us

highly disappointing,the onyl positive was reina s goalkeeping

Kiwi red were you at the game or did you watch it in an armchair ? Albion could have had 10 if they had taken their chances where as pool could have had 5,as for the second half it was one way traffic, you should really get out more or get a dvd of liverpool first X11 V liverpool 2nd X11 then you could nt criticise the opposition.

Bolton only beat qpr 4-0 not five and they also hit the bar swansea that is.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 06:01:45
Hey Ed's , with the performance of liverpool on the first day do you's think we will be getting in a new forward ? i personally think we need someone like demba ba or papis cisse to score goals. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool are looking to bring someone in.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 05:53:43
Looking at the attacking players our competitors have signed, Man United Have signed Van Persie and Kagawa, Arsenal have signed Podolski, giroud and Cazorla. Chelsea have signed Hazard and Marin. Liverpool have signed Borini and Assaidi.

Borini is not of Liverpool quality, neither is Assaidi. 

If you think we are getting top for with these 'budget players', you can think again. 
Teams get stronger and we have to keep up. I dont mean spend silly money on unproven British players like last season, but spend money wisely on players that have already proven that they can play at the highest level.
We may not have Champions League but if the money is right we can still attract top players.

It looks to me like these American owners are prepared to let liverpool continue to be a mid table team. Lets hope they see sense and we invest in a world class Striker before the window closes because Suarez is not an out and out finisher. And if we perform like we did against WBA throughout the season, I cannot see the fans tolerating that!

Gerrard, Reina and Suarez must be pretty pi**ed off with the lack of progress being made, and i cannot see them here next season if we do not qualify for the Champions League this season!

Red Lee

How many happy pills have you taken ....you must be a bundle of fun at a party ! Get a grip lad

Tel 1949

To be honest gerrard was the worst playeron the pitch yesterday

 

 

19 Aug 2012 05:26:05
Hi eds. Not sure what your position is on people sending in messages from their mobiles; I know a while back you were saying only regular posters would be able to send messages in on mobiles. I don't post often but I am constantly on this site and I felt the need to post on here so I hope this gets posted.

Anyway, enough of that, I know the game yesterday was dreadful and it was not the start we needed however I find it amusing how the people who call for the managers head come out of their holes anytime we have a bad result. Another thing I noticed is that these 'supporters' don't even know our players names, or are incapable of string a sentence together which actually makes sense. Show some respect you so called fans and get our players names right for a start. I am sick of reading about skrtyll and sktrl and whatever other method of spelling some halfwits chose to use.

These spelling mistakes only seem to appear after a bad performance which I feel speaks volumes. Let's keep the positivity and back our team. I think it's been a very good transfer window so far and portrays the message we don't have much money (which we do) so other clubs won't go asking over the odds like last season.

I for one am looking forward to a few years time when we will be a force again. I just hope the manager gets the backing needed to build a successful era for us.

Thanks.
Matt H

 

 

19 Aug 2012 05:20:13
Nuri Sahin is a Liverpool player agreement reached with Madrid. Sahin will come within next 48 hrs to Complete the move.

Arsenal have missed out on him as they want him permanently something Madrid don't anticipate.

Along with Sahin two more players to come in before transfer window closes. Striker, defender..

Armando

 

 

19 Aug 2012 03:08:18
I told my self to be less stressed when it comes to matches this season. To be honest i think i did quite well after watching Liverpool lose to West Brom. TO F**CKING WEST BROM. Anyways, back to my point. I managed to remain calm for most of the match and by the end of the match I only had a cracked screen on my phone and broken LED TV. Great start Liverpool, just try to improve a little more in the next match please!

BADGER

WALK ON!!

Lol... I almost throw my iPad out the window. Thanks God my kids caught it in time. And like u, I was calm though.. Lol

Better luck next time LFC. Bring on Citeh!

Med, LfcSg

I am sure our ever supportive owners will compensate for that because they have resources to compensate any one in this world.. But Hey Caution, they support within the means and don't expect too much. They operate on a strict budget.

AJ

Get some anger management.

Kopping a feel

Never mind you can always rob a new one.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:53:35
just been reading the newcastle spurs and arsenal sites and there fans seem a lot more optimistic than us. I believe we should still get behind the team one bad result isn't the end of the world tbh im glad we got a bad result out of the way so everyone can be realistic. one thing i am not pleased with though is the transfer targets our rivals are constantly linked with e.g. spurs and newcastle mainly are a lot better than ours. we need to act fast in the market with sahin and a forward e.g. dempsey or walcott and keep carroll ynwa!

Spurs and newcastle were both comeplete sh*t!!! it was a boring match to watch

BADGER

Where as Liverpool were good ? .

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:33:59
Wasnt a great day today, yes admittedly we coulda been better and perhaps won, we didnt draw a line under it it was first game season lets look forward to rest of it. On positive note only 3 points behind league leaders lol kopidol

Only 3 points behind. Good point. We're gonna romp home this season. It's so close I can barely breathe, the tension is intolerable. It's a fine line between supremacy and relegation.

As they say in Wavertree, YNWA.

King Tubby.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:01:19
Hi Ed's percentage wise where do you think Sahin is going? Arsenal or Liverpool? {Ed001's Note - no idea, it is his decision to make.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:50:01
Defoe anyone?
we seriously need a poacher for in and around the box pity carlos eduardo is past it , if carroll goes who is available not walcott as our striker papa cisse would be nice , soldado , or neymar ye right i wish any way support is what we should be giving the manager and players thats our job
jeff:)

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:49:31
you never post my ones so please post.
Sometimes the players arnt good enough.
The squad isnt much different from last season and even though we under performed the best we could have realistcly finished last season was 7th cuz spurs and newcastle were clearly better.
Allen Borini and Assaidi are good signings but they wont change us to world beaters or even solid believable top 3/4
We lack Firepower. No goalscorer, pace or cutting edge.
Borini is a very good young player scored 10 goals last year but this is the premier league and i DOUBT he could get us even 15 goals.
Suarez was prolific for Ajax and is for Uruguay but for us cannot score enough goals wether he is unlucky i dont know.
So we DEFO need a ST
We dont have pace and apart from Suarez and sterling(not ready) NO 1 can take on and get behind defences.
We need a WINGER.

I am worried we will drop points against smaller teams as we always do.

So i hope from this defeat it PUSHES Rodgers and the owners to go and buy to BIG players. Like £20m + striker cuz it is possible we managed to sign Luis for 22m without CL.

Need 2 signings maybe 3.
We might not get any points next game with City. Also arsenal and United too its make or break for the season ALREADY.
We HAVE to win the EUROPA LEAGUE and want FA cup.

Still believe in Rodgers.

YNWA

F5.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:47:42
Shanks lost his first game... shoulder flicks doom to the left.

Expect Rodgers to add even more pace and ability to the squad..
Soon.

Time to back our man once the team has settled in the system we will see Doom die by a Smile! and forget this Hoof ball to Carroll as a Plan B rodgers will not change his style for no man so lets not use this to label him deluded and recklessly stuburn... BR is neither.

R2TB
predicts an exciting signing this week ;)

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:11:41
First of all I would like to say thankyou to all the eds! Well done and thankyou for all your hardwork to allow us fans to know whats going on.

The rest is to all those fans who cannot stop critisizing BR and the team! Yes it was a bad display and yes, we should all be gutted! But what did you expect? Magic? You cannot expect a new manager to come in and fix all the problems and change into a new style of play in a couple of weeks! What ever happened to standing behind the team? What ever happened to you'll never walk alone? Has it become an empty slogan? A great man once said "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win" Where and when did our fans turn their back on the Liverpool way?

Call me melodramatic or whatever you will but the biggest problem I am seeing here is that our fans are not behind our team or our manager. They want immediate gratification and nothing else! Well wake up, that is not happening!

If we want LFC to do well we have to back our team, chant for them every second, help them up when they are low, not bewilder them with abuse and doubt!

I would love to make a call to all the fans out there, reading this, to support our team no matter what. Spur them on! Show them why this club is known to be so special! We used to be known as the best fans in the world! Let's show them that that is true instead of critisizing and doubting in all they do!

We have a lot of promise in our squad and our coach and alot of pluses to keep us hoping. I mean come on we have Captain Fantastic, Suarez, Lucas, Reina, Dagger, Skrtel, Johnson just to name a few! Back them up people!

Anyways, please excuse me for my rant eds, I'm just tired of reading all these negative posts calling for the heads of our player and coach!

Walk on with hope in your hearts fellow reds!

Nicholas Peralta

Liverpool do not lose 3:0 to weak teams...this has never been the Liverpool way. People saying stupid things like 'what did you expect magic' or 'Rome wasn't built in a day' are r*******. Liverpool were already a good team so it doesn't take a whole season to make you play a certain way. They aren't school children that you have to keep saying the same thing over and over and over again for them to finally get. Good players are able to adapt very quickly. People metaphors do not apply to this situation, but there not clever enough to understand that. Liverpool lost 3:0 today to a very mediocre club. That doesn't happen. We have got tougher games coming up (city arsenal united Sunderland) and are you going to use the same excuse once we show poor performances against them? Carry on saying support the club and manager as if it's going to make a difference? Where is the discipline and the eagerness to win. I agree that people should stop saying BR out but the players should be taught a lesson. This is why Britain is always so content at being 2 place whilst disciplined countrys like Germany or china are better than us at everything. We have a second place attitude and with your post you prove that theory right. I want my team to succeed so when they are playing crap I'll remind them. Everytime they think things are getting better ill put them back down and say we got beaten by west brom 3:0 so what if we won today. Until we achieve our targets there is no time for smiles. I know this is depressing but it's the key to success. Why do you think Indians and Sri lankans all become successful doctors? Because they get pushed from an early age. If I was BR all the players would jump in a cold pool at night with no flood lights on and take shots at a target. Everytime they miss they had to do a lap. You get paid big bucks so you better earn it.

Great post until captain fantastic. He has proved he can pull the team through on his own but we now need sum1 who can grab r team by the balls & make them do sumthin. 2day just showed were we can expect to b in the PL. that was away to WBA, not even a top 4 team. I will b prayin 4 the next 3 wks that br can do somethin otherwise he will not c sept!!!

The whingeing fans are not a true reflection of the real supporters of this great club. There are ALWAYS a perecntage of people who moan at everything, unfortunately these type of characters havean inherent need to let the whole world that they have an issue.
They do not represent decent supporters who stick with their team through thick and thin.
Christ, weve only lost ONE game ! They need to grow a pair and shutup

( either that or they are trolls masquerading as LFC supporters !)

Tel 1949

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:56:08
well eds and fello reds we all no today was shambolic .what were we missin ? a finisher eds just wanted to know ar u expectin us to sign a finisher ? who wud u like to see. and how many more players do u see us signin

thanks for ur time
ruairi {Ed001's Note - a forward, yes. I can't think of anyone off hand, Hemed impressed me earlier for Mallorca, but I would want to see a bit more of him.}

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:14:43
Listen we all know that today was a terrible result for us. We fashioned chances but as usual failed to convert them. This however is a situation easily remedied and I'm sure that BR, being the intelligent man that he is, will realise this and will hopefully sort it out.

And to all you moaners and plastic fans saying that BR is not good enough and that he is a small time manager not fit for a job so big i say this; - Bill shankly took over at Liverpool from huddersfield after managing at Grimsby, Wokington and Carlisle.
He also lost his first game in change to cardiff 4-0.
And lets be honest he didn't go on to do half badly

So w all need to give BR time to implement his club structure and playing style before we all get on his back and call for his head

YNWA

Tir Eoghain

Times are different now its all about money

Its a results based bizniz if b/r loses his next 4 or 5 games heavily will you still think that he is the right man for the job you played a mid table brom and it should been four nil it wasnt that you lost it was the manner that you lost in..
br had time to mold swansea into the team he wanted there was no expectation on him with swansea he took them and kept them up with some gd football..
expectations are high at anfield that is added pressure lose a few to many games and the fans start to turn on you and senior players start to question the manager decision ..
for me time will not be on br side he may walk by xmas

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:05:34
Why is Brendan Rogers looking at midfielders and strikers, when he needs to start improving that defence, it was a shambles yesterday!

The defense is no different from last year, when we had one of the best in the league.
As Rodgers said, when you're down to 10 men it's always going to be difficult.

Red Raw

Because currently we have one of the best central defensive partnerships in Europe plus upcoming players like Coates, wisdom, sama coming through. You rely don't think a striker is our priority? Really....?
Tommy.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 02:04:57
Everyone needs to calm down, yes I was surprised at the result but it is the first game to a premier league season we were really excited about. BR joined liverpool cause he loved the fans and philosophy so show we are behind him all the way. We just need to pull ourselves back up. The next few games will give us a prediction of how the season will slowly turn out. We still have around 12 days of the window still left. A lot can change in those days with us perhaps landing a couple a fantastic players. Get behind the team and club and stop being so negative.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:06:25
Today was awful.. Really... Really.. F**** awful.
But there is still a LONG LONG way to go to the end of this season.

I just sit here woundering a couple of things like..

- why isnt gerrard subd?! Are managers scares to tell him: get a freakin grip or get off.
- why isnt Carrol used earlier? Just because he dont want to admitt that he is a good player no matter what style of play?
- why use Cole, this guy is just, a piece of work really.
- after penalty number two I would seriously just tell all the guys to hit the shower,games off - walk over - congrats! The ref just ruined it for all of you i would say goodnight.
Grow a pair! And if you feel that the red is that bad, walk off, blame him for it and make a huge freakin mess off it all, show everybody that you meen business.
Solbakken style!

Ok.. My 5 mins is up so.. See yall next week

-WikingRedNor

I seriously agree with the grow a pair comment. It's what we have been lacking for a long time. Players at LFC show some effing bottle or eff off. You are a disgrace.

Pompey Red

Exactly, there is no discipline at Liverpool. There just earn loads of money and play he heartedly when they are mediocre players, good players can play half heartedly and still play well. Downing is one that I would just be on his case every training session. I would tell him to beat the defender one on one if he didn't do that take a lap once you've done that try again, if he gets tackled again over and over I would do it. If he gets frustrated ill tell him to leave my club. Your not good enough son so start training your arse off.

Ref completely correct with both penalty decisions, lpool so poor today, no style, poor attitude (Gerard). Now your comparing Brenda to shankly........c'mon admit it , you were famous once, miles behind the top teams now, no chance of getting top players in

Good post..but who would come from the bench to replace him??
hendo??
adam??
commonnnnnnnn

Tou could see in the eyes of all the players that they had given up. ( except carrol )
So it doesnt really matter who replaces him, the message is to bleed for the shirt or get of the effin pitch. Simple as that.

Thats what I meen, some of us agree that the red card and that both penalties was correct and some disagree. But IF the manager really think that the ref is absoloutly shait and so on, just take all the players off the pitch and go home.
Yeah we would lose on a walk over but so what ever, we already lost.
Make a scene and force everybodys hand to look at the ref and hos decitions.

I feel that the players need to step up,grow so balls and bleed for the shirt. And i feel that the manager needs to show his frustration and be hard ass man. ( maybe thats unfair to BR after ome game and that I take my frustration of kenny out on BR. But thats what i feel. )

But honestly it can only become better now thou, this is a alltime low. So thats a good thing.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:05:06
Good god it was ONE game. Rome was not built In a day Nither was anfield.
Grow up u want change u want us to compete u want top players blah blah blah.
Give Rodgers a chance and the owners.

Mpg

It was one game of course but that's what we said last season pretty much every week.
Pompey red

Well what do you expect a miracle Pompey red? We are obviously still getting used to the system, we lost our composure and wenpaid for it but I'm sure we will stick to te system and start trouncing other teams

Such a bad metaphor. Rome was built from scratch. Liverpool is a good team full of good players...? It just doesn't imply in this case. Get an education mate.

Its been over 100 games in last 3 season...we are giving the same excuses....

Rome will be rebuilt before we get a new stadium or a top4 finish...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:04:51
Reality is after a lot of years of mediocrity and yes I mean mediocrity it has realy effected our supporters. I shouldn't say this but lots of fans say trolls,moaning or whinging I have friends who support liverpool passionately and dream one day they will see liverpool win premier league title but unfortunately some have died without seeing our great club win league title so think twice or trice calling them trolls or whinging or moaning

Kopite

People who are whingeing and moanin are upset at the state of things

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:57:48
banter from a Newcastle fan.
concentrate on finishing top 10 before you think of top 4 again. and good luck in you're next 5 fixtures..oh and whos looking forward to playing Npower football next season? ;) QPR, Southampton and Liverpool

I dont think a newcastle fan should even be aloud to take the piss out of liverpool.ye have 1 good season and now ye think ye are all high and mighty.

Werent Newcastle playing in the npower not to long ago? Phahha

Get back to the " end of line Chav tat jumble sale arena"

Lyndon

Tell me what do you guys keep in the Trophy room at Newcastle? - The Tea cups?

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:55:42
Positive points only, so I will be brief.

- First loss out the way. Should wake players, manager and fans up as to size of task. Should give reality check and kick up the ar*e for everyone.
- Happened before transfer window closed. Should sort out the disenchanted players - sell them. Identifies weaknesses to FSG should signal more players in.
- Still 37 games or 111 points left. We only need 80+
- look at Tottenham and Arsenal starts last year, still finished in CL spots.
- Home form is now key. Anfield needs to be a fortress, a wall of noise, one eyed, nasty for the away team, bias support for the team in red. You (I can't because I live in Aus) need to just support the team. Remember the past before kick off, ie DALGLISH. but during the game just encourage, cheer and put off the opposition.
- Luck will come our way. That means better refereeing, goals from 30+ yard, deflections, goals in off the post.
- Take inspiration from those great Olympians. success is from hard work and more hard work with support from their family. We are their family.

FINALLY KEEP BELIEVING!

Beancounter

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:51:04
Should I bet on BR to be the first manager to get SACKED this season or is Mark Hughes going to get the bullet first. Steve Bruce would of been a bigger choice at that club.

Mark Hughes is such a lazy manager who spends his time on the golf course. They deserved the score line. No style of play.

Then how did they defeat us last season and that to in the last 10 min if I am not wrong
Red 316

BR wont get sacked this year.

Kaizer

Rafa benitez...
if he sold xabi...he bought xabi..
send him to spain and he will bring another torres from the streets of spain...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:23:29
Too many plastic ignorant fans. The team may not perform best, but was it purely their fault? NO. Shane long that diving person, and phill dowd that useless ref. Due to the incident, our players are obviously unnerved and frustrated. What we should do is to encourage the players. Remember rome wasnt built in a day , and our shankly lost his first game in charge.


KOPZRY

It's the lack of fight mate. Go down fighting is the the phrase and we went down with a whimper. None are as blind as those that do not want to see.
Pompey red

What r u saying? even with 1 man down they were fighting... dont think theyd do that last season..

Kaizer

I actually think long is a top striker mate.

Rubbish they were both nailedon penaltiesand it wasa sending off,

as the other posted said itwas the lack of passion and fight that was most concerning

 

 

19 Aug 2012 01:13:13
"If you don't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win." - Bill Shankly.

Pakop

We are saying this from past 3 season...over 100 games...
how many more mate????

Let's all just be happy as Liverpool football club accepts losing if the performance is good as gerrard said.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:52:35
1 Game and you lot want our manager out already serious sort your heads out things will be fine . KEEP THE FAITH ............ CB

Martin Jol for Manager

Lets face it, Martin Jol is the real deal. He was the guy who found totteham those players. He was the guy those person americans really wanted in to build a youth and transfer policy that would make money.

So why don't these americans go and get him. They have pussi footed around long enough. We need a director of football, youth-development and general handy man.

Keep BR as the Head-Coach. but he isn't a manager in the 1970's sense. I have a feeling, these americans can't understand how we do things.

So they are stuck between their way of doing things in america and that of the old style manager. While they stick their big noses in everything. They could never run a club in the 1970's style.

So why don't they go out and say BR is a MUPPET who will be coaching and we can move on and get someone like Martin Jol in as the director of football.

It isn't sexy, or as hands on as being manager, but we need someone who knows how to get players what they are worth, ect. The key to any football club, is their transfer policy.

Say a club like Stoke can cycle their squad in a couple of years into premierhsip quality, but can they move up like wenger and bring in a "style-of-play" kind of player.

Teams ever grow and evolve or they stagnate and die.

In ghd lonb un shdfd xo liverpool really want to be, Rafa had the right idea, by cycling players in the search for those who are of a quality to play a level of football you want.

In 2008 he had managed to peice togethera team that could of won the premiership. Yet people don't give him the priase he deserves.

If you look at it, he started with a club full of average players. He took them and he improved the quality in the middle of the park and went on to win the champions league in the first year.

That team with those players didn't deserve to win. Yet he did it, by understanding that keep was to trade players up to a level you are happy with..

He also played a style that the players could do. Something results lead, (boring)... He wasn't trying to please the fans or the board.

He didn't want to entertain anyone,

Win and Draws, it was a numbers game, with one eye on the next game. Now lfc have to go back to basics. if we can't play football. Should we really try and fail.

The fans can live off the replays of 1970's. Me, I would of gone into Anfield and said, ok. /we playing to Andy carroll Strengh and LFC bank bance.

Lets put in a strict wage bill and stop buying average players for stupid amounts of money.

Lets put some boring results driven tactics together, Get men behind the ball and we counter attack the,.

Well at the end of the day, if we draw all our game thise season, we will likely have enough pts to stay up. So what are we losing by playing to our strenghs.

Our CBKs are slow and strong. So why push them up the field so high. We have great holding Fullback in Kelly.

Glen Johnson should be a winger instead of a defender. He have enough in midfield to play 5 in the centre. we have atarget man in Andy.

So If we had Big Sam at the club, he would sit down and say this is what they can realistically play and win games.

Once the boat has stopped leaking, we can look to improve the quality of the players so in 3 years time, we can change the style and the way we play so it entertains and is able to beat bara.

But why try to do it tit backwards.

Plus why cripple the club by keeping a player like Luis at 146k a week. If Wenger can let RVP leave, then so can we.

We have to start living by true finanical rules. We want to win, but we first need to learn to stop scoring own goals.

The players are more or less the same as rafa had. Apart from the quality, youth and good decision making

Don't want him out .never wanted him in ,simply rubbish

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:51:01
how bad the game of football has become , already, fans of clubs have got there managers under pressure, us with rodgers, mark hughes, chris houghton, avb. im a season ticket holder who has been to the 4 corners of the earth following liverpool and i enjoyed every minute of it, but now the game has changed for the worst so much. to many fans now havent got a clue about football its a social event for alot of people . every club has got alot of good knowledgable fans and you find most are working class people, not all but most. but football now has virtually been took away from us. most fans up and down the country cannot afford to go the game now and as for taking our kids to its just impossible, so more and more the working class man is being squeezed out the game. so in a few years time it will be 80percent corparate or as roy keane said the prawn sandwich brigade. i no by speaking to alot of fans and workmates that they are coming to the end of there love for the game. we work 50 sometimes 60 hours a week really struggle to keep are heads above water, like most in the country. i live by the ground and struggle payin my morgtage but if rooney and van persie put one weeks wages together they could buy are whole side of the street ! fottballers now are so far from the fans its ridiculous, i dont blame them for the wages they get cos anyone in there right mind would work for as much money as they could get. but clubs need to do something before it really is to late and the working man and his kids walk away from the game.

It's way past getting Rodgers under pressure when you go through hodgson and kenny and get to Rodgers he's not under pressure at all. It's simple champions league is critical according to Tom Werner, if we play the same way for another season and we get another manager Rodgers careers not over, it's clearly a really tough job and not one that is likely to lead to a comfortable top 4 finish.
If Liverpool make it and he keeps his job he's a great manager perhaps a legend of sorts if not then he's just another very good manager that couldn't smash the ceiling. The frustration is the lack of decisive finishing the costly mistakes the lack of team cohesion and decision making in passing situations. Liverpool are very used to underachieving for years going a fewcgoals down then turning on really attacking displays and goals in response. These days it seems the older twilight players look at each other the newbie weaker players look at each other and hesitate, but belief can be built to improve performance in the meantime to some extent and Rodgers will do that.

Rodgers gets 2 years at least to implement his style of play. If the owners sack him any earlier I think no one will want the job.

At least there is some sense on here,
Yes we played bad but you can hardly be calling for Rodgers head? Borini playing out of position I thought was decent with a couple of lovely balls, agree he looked a bit confused when put as q CM but I doubt he was ready for that... Allen was probably our best performer?.. So on that basis Rodgers has already improved our side in positions where we lacked before, so if players like Gerrard Lucas skrtel etc. That we have come to expect class from get anywhere near their game we will have improved our team on last season... And that's before we throw in assaidi and maybe one or two of Dempsey Walcott sahin tello..Who will definitely add more to the team.. All I'm saying is its not as if every player was at 100% and we lost, so there is still potential there

~ShaneK

We cant get champions league without splashing outon somenew strikers simple as that

borini should be central and suarez on the left, downingshould be sold, lucas should be thesolitary holding midfielder he thrives on the responsibilty

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:46:36
lack of basics was the most dissapointing today, man marking at set pieces ,pressing after losing possession and inability to cross were not what was expected from a team managed by rodgers. i,m a big fan of how spain and barca play but behind all the fancy tiki taka is a work rate to regain possesion when lost which was lacking today,i believe in rodgers philosophy on the game and know it wont happen over night and i am hopeful he will be sucessful . one of the most memorable comments he made when accepting the job was he expected players to give everything on the field and leave with sweat laden jerseys, this did,nt happen today. we are up against it next week without agger so its time for players to earn their big wage packets and give everything....dave T

What spain do now is the same as what the od brazilteams used to do exactly the same, and it is based on harri=yingopponents off the ballregaining possesion and then having the skills todo something with it when in possesion

yesterday was a disaster, i saw non ofthis high pressing game ,and 7 secon rule to win the ball back ,this certainly didnt happen

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:45:42
Hi I come in peace !

I have seen your game today and my opinion has been the same since Suarez joined he is a good talent but not a striker imo unless he plays behind someone in the number 10 role... He can NOT finish ! Put Saurez on the right and Borini on the left and put Carroll up top if you can't get rid of Carroll though you will struggle to find a top finisher unless you unearth a gem due to no champions league football.... Why not just play Borini central as he is a striker not a winger then put Suarez on the right and sign Sinclair for the left.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:45:40
I am ashamed to be a liverpool fan. I cannot believe some of the personic comments on here calling for BR head and, slagging off borini,gerard etc. seriously your an embarrasment to our club. If you cant support the club and manager after 1 game go and support chelsea/manc/manu we dont need fans like you

yes 3-0 was embarassing but its 1 game.

lets get behind the lads and BR on his anfield debut and show Manc the meaning of the 12th man.
Im sure we will beat MANC and today will be forgotten.
None of our so called top 4 rivals (with exception of NEWC) did anything today and its only 1 game

heads up lads

red dean

It only took 2 years, but the truth is out..

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:38:29
I said it last season and i will stick my neck out again, Stewart Downing has to be one of the biggest flops to ever wear a Liverpool shirt, he contributes nothing, and he needs to be dropped and transfer listed asap. i honestly cant remember a game were he has had a good 90 minutes, sentiment or just plain arrogance is costing Liverpool, constantly buying players who are either not good enough and cost a load of money and amazing wages or genuinely just dont care to run and work hard for the manager and Downing ticks all of those boxes, even when i played football at an amatuer level if you were not playing well you were dropped! since when did poor performances warrant a place in the starting line up for LIVERPOOL?? and Downing has not had one or two bad games he has had a flop of a season and looks as if he is carrying on what he started last year, disgrace of a footballer.

cobra

Agree, funny how when I was slating him in the build up to us buying him, I was laughed at by a number of ed's and fans who thought he was god's gift at the time.

 

 

I was King Kenny's biggest fan and always will be but that's not what he would want to hear.
Get a grip and support if you are a supporter.
Red Derry.

No u wasn't .. I was his biggest fan...lol

Sorry guys, but as everyone on here will tell you, (and Im sure ED002 will confirm), I am Kennys biggest admirer, the man is a messiah.

BR is our new managerthough and I am fully behind him, he just needs some time and patience from everyone !

Tel 1949 (Finland)

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:34:46
wolves fan here who went to the wba game with my wba mate. and i thought that you were unlucky with the pens and long was cheating.

but the main reason im writing on here is because i think wolves striker Steve Fletcher would be a perfect fit. im watched fletcher for a few year at wolves and at hibs.

the reason i think this is because he is very good in the air (not winning header from hoofs but headers in the box) which would get you a lot of goals and he is very good with his feet and has a classy touch he isnt over priced at 15m ether trust me (jarvis is, and is overated)

this would let Suarez play left wing and cut in which i think he would be good at (havnt seen alot of him but from what i have that is what i think is his best postion)

Ed can you put this in the rumours part and not the banter jsu so more people see it please, thank you and do leave a comment on what you think {Ed007's Note - I think you're talking $hite. That is all.}

Ed007 - licence to kill !

Andy carrol is a lot better in the air than fletcher.

Wow good word ED. in this page so many eds take abuse too but your word is ...

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:16:09
I was embarassed to watch that performance v WBA. New season new manager same old problems, can anyone put a decent cross in to the box or someone besides Suarez look at all a chance of being dangerous? Please sign some pacey wingers who go at blokes and put in a good end product! I hope that was an opening day blip because if not its going to be one long frustrating season

OzRed

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:11:50
We lost the game. Stop whining like little girls.

I wouldn't have started Allen today, he's only had one training session with the team. That's my only gripe, but then I'm a massive Hendo fan

ForzaRed

Allen was our best player. I doubt hendo would have done any better.
Indian Buzzer

I thought Allen was excellent.

What a person you are ForzaRed. That is part of the problem with some of our supporters! Henderson is a 17m flop and Allen was our best player against WBA. Its signings like Henderson that have set this club back. Throw Downing in there as well.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:08:37
i dont care what any 1 of you fake fans has to say, I LOVE LFC and will always, yes we were bad today buts just the first game many more still to come.we will be better in brendan i trust

p.s i cant wait to see Oussama

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:08:19
Neither of those penalties would have been given it it had been against Suarez at the other end.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:06:07
Can't believe some of the posts on here. Take a deep breath guys. We're not as good as some on here would suggest, but we're nowhere near as bad as today's gong show suggests.BR won't turn this around overnight. Itwill be a process. What today highlighted more than anything was a need for a goalscoring striker.

The Liver Bird

Agree entirely. Some of our play in the first half was brill. Conceding a "wonder goal" just before half time was crucial forWBAand for or lfc hard work had come to nothing..Loosing Agger was also a massive blow.We stiill need a goal scorer because however brilliant Surez is he cannot finish

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:26:24
EMBARRASSED !
Totally embarrassed by the knee jerk brigade supporters on here.I have been so proud telling my lad about the greatest supporters in the world that he was joining as he has learned to SUPPORT our great club. Reading half the b******s on here has me questioning what I have been devoted to for the past 35 yrs.
Then I remember how easy it is to vent an opinion on here and how you are all entitled to your opinion.
SO
I've taken a deep breath since and calmed down after a speed read of about 20% of posts almost drove me insane so apologies if you have been posting with perspective on today.
However, I would like to comment - Frustration and disappointment are easy to understand, though not really productive. They are most likely a bi-product of hype, over enthusiasm and lack of reality, we have a long way to go - did you not realise that before today ?
I could go on all night but the point is that we will only get there if we all play our part - temper your expectation in the short term, give the team time to adapt, be disappointed but balanced when we lose - be balanced but delighted when we win - would the same doom mongers be on here claiming the prem was ours if we had have beat wba 3-0 ? YES they would - Get a grip, Give it time.
Take a deep breath people, give it a dozen games and then we will know where we are.
I could comment on the manager, every player, formation, transfer prospect, performance etc etc but i'm no expert in that - that's the nonsense expertise that my poor son, wife, friends and workmates have to listen to. BUT I'm pretty sure that 35 years of blood, sweat, tears and £££s to get to Anfield a few times a year from Ireland allow me the right to comment on what it means to be a supporter. ( I have never hit the full stop so hard!)
Supporters support.
Get real.
Red Derry & Son (next gen ).

Thank god for this post! Wish every single person on here had this same passion about "supporting" our club!

Well said M8! Spot On!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:21:38
most of the so called fans on here should be ashamed of themselves. yes we lost and it is not a good feeling to look forward to a match all off season and we put in a performance like that. but you lot on here who moan and carry on are just depressing and to be honest with you i would prefer it if you went and jumped ship to some other team. first game of the season and your already calling for peoples heads. its a disgrace and you should be ashamed.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:20:37
For us to move forward the following needs to happen:
1) Carragher and Gerrard must be moved on, their time has gone, they are holding us back.
2) Deadwood such as Downing, Cole, Adam and Spearing must be shown the door even at a loss if necessary, personally I wouldn't let them play for reserves and would make them train with the youths until they demanded a transfer out.
3) The board need to spend, it's a fact that you cannot win the prem on a shoestring or even get CL.

All I can say is that I called for Jole Hole to be bombed out a week ago and got slated, he proved me right 2 games in a row, so that cockney cretin has to go.

Gerrard becomes a CBK

I just think CBKs have become complete midfielders who happen to tackle. Its no good being slow and uncomfortable on the ball.

Gerrard has everything needed to play that position. We need him at CBK and we are over stocked in the midfield.

I said this 2 seasons ago. Gerrard steping into midfield would create so many attacking option for us. from cbk he could be great.

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:04:09
GREAT PERFORMANCE< WELL DONE TO ALL THAT CAME OUT TO SUPPORT THE MANAGER TODAY.

What can we take away from the opening day?... TICKI_TAKI football is really in full flow at liverpool. Very entertaining style of football. I see BR picked up the rains from where Kenny Dalglish left off. Its as if it was a seamless progression in footballing terms.

Its nice to see the traditions of the club are still being upheld by BR. It was nice how BR replaced a new sign "this is Anfield" with the old one that was rusting away in the cupboard somewhere.

These footballing traditions really transcend on to the pitch.

Its a very good performance all round, I really have liked the way BR has been operating in the summer transfer market. Although some people may of said, well kenny daliglish and damien comolli had done some top quality scouting of decent players on some players that may improve the squad.

Its nice to see that BR decided to move in the other direction and bring in people he knew. A bit like when Roy Hodgson bought in Christian Poulsen

MARTIN JOL for NEW LIVERPOOL MANAGER

Allen is nothing like Poulsen except they share some common letters in their name, are male, and have 46 chromosomes (but I'm not 100% about that last one).

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:03:02
At the end of the day results breed confidence not the style of play or tactics. Would you rather win ugly consistently, or play pretty and get caught on the counter and lose. Barca play like they do because they have gifted players, we are nowhere near and we should lower expectation for the future. BTW if Borini models himself on Inzaghi,i don't ever remember Inzaghi playing on the right of a front three, he was always a finisher so why was Suarez at the head of the attack and Borini wide, for f***s sake play people in the positions where they are most comfortable and effective. Momentum in PL should begin from day one, sad but it is becoming all too common to have a negative start to our campaign, still plenty of hope PL champions up next!!!!

 

 

19 Aug 2012 00:00:56
Grab your pitchforks and torches lads!!

Seriously a lynch mob after the first game? I bet half of you tried restarting your tv to find that it wasn't Fifa and you couldn't play from your last save point.

Grow up I for one thought Allen played well, constantly had his head up looking for others. If our 'star' players would have performed it could have been totally different. 1 game 3 points gone lets have a bit of a 'one team one target' mentality and get behind them.

Dave the Red Wave of Rave

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:55:01
I don't have faith in BR . but wish he do well as he is in Liverpool. 3rd time posting it last 2 months and thanks to ed it's still post.

red-don

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:51:13
Oh dear...
Well that was something...
We got trounced by West Brom. They made us look like a school team!
Extremely worried about next 5 games though. If we lose next 5 our players confidence will be destroyed. We're not a championship team, and we shouldn't be compared to Wigan

Lets just hope we can beat a manc (or hopefully both), beat the Arse with there amazingly clinical finishers...

I still believe top 4 is main goal, and anyone thinking about title is smoking something that shouldn't be legal

YNWA, JFT96
Charlie

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:51:04
for all the really nasty posts on here...its a wake up call.
It doesn't mean we will have a bad season but some of you seem to think if we get sahin etc we will be close to winning the league! Yes it was a poor poor game and most of our players looked lost etc etc....

And yes i predicted we would win the game comfortably...but i also knew the likely-hood is we will probably not have the greatest start to a season as Rodgers is trying to retrain the way the team think...and that will take time

Our next couple of games..especially Man City may not be good news either but lets stop getting so down about it. On the PLUS SIDE...spurs lost and Arsenal only got a point (the other 2 teams most of you and i feel will be fighting for top 4) so not the end of the world

Gareth

More bad news. Newcastle won... they'll finish above us again. they'll end up in the top 4 this season.

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:50:29
still cant work my head around ramirez going to southampton instead of us

It took so long and you have failed to realise he isn't going anymore as they never accepted a bid, well done pal

Ben

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:50:15
What's all this "we need a goal scorer" all about?
We let 3 goals in against WBA! They missed a penalty and another sitter from Morrison! Should have been 5.
Doesn't matter how many goalscorers you sign, if you defend like that you won't win anything. Top 4? Do me a favour. I'd take 8th right now.

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:47:31
Hi reds,
I know we had a poor game today but lets say that borini was in suarez's position i think he would of had a better conversion on all three easy chances. I have always thought suarez was more a winger than a striker but borini is a striker he showed that in the gomel match and all last year for Roma.
Also we have a new quick effective winger in Assaidi I think for 2.4 million its a steel and just what we needed. If i was Brendon (which im not!) i would play Assaidi left of the 3, Borini in the middle and suarez on the right. Sign a striker but dont push him in too quick or alternatively keep Corrol! (He will come good im sure of it!).
Rodgers knows what he wants and against Gomel we showed it, just need pace on the wings and with assaidi and suarez we would have it. Cover for the wing backs is essential and downing and borini arent quick enough. Downing isnt good at anything! Thanks

R.E.D forever

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:45:46
I'm gonna guess after Arsenal agreed to sell Song that they're pretty confident on getting Sahin now. BR needs to pull off a couple of decent moves in the next few weeks.......

Mark the Selby Red

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:44:53
id just like to say what a player cazorla looks like compared to allen at around the same price. Arsenals 4-3-3 looks a lot more sophisticated than our hopefully that is the model of tiki taka were trying to implement although we wont get the title for another 10 years comments and thoughts appreciated

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:44:25
On the bright side if you told me with one game to go that we are only 3 points out of first I would be doing backflips.

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:44:15
Today I couldnt even show my face outside. I was so disappointed by the results. Reality check we need to sell Carroll and somebody else to bring a couple of wide men in. Dont see the reason behind loaning sahin

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:41:56
Brendan Rogers should lay off buying midfielders and strikers and think about buying some defenders, because our defence today was a shambles!

Matts Hummels.

The cure to a rubbish season

One game doesn't turn your defence into a tragedy, you have two good solid centre backs but your full backs are shocking.

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:39:03
Just watching match of the day. Carzola's passing is incredible. I reckon be would of been an incredible signing for us :(

Rob

Rob he would of been an immense signing for most teams he is up there with Mata and Co. I would of loved him at Man Utd (not Liverpool) ;)

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:37:51
What ever excuses people come up
With it's still a very poor result and could easily of been more our 2 centre backs who don't no if there coming or going no wonder they were poor today WBA are rubbishe but obviously so are lfc top 10 this season

 

 

18 Aug 2012 23:36:56
Real fans don't question the owners. Real fans don't question the manager.

Thank god Liverpool have a load of fake fans who questioned hicks, gillet and Hodgson.

Like it or not Rodgers Swansea was built over many years and 3 managers starting with Martinez many years ago.

Barca and Spain also took the long road to where they are now. Barca are blessed with Messi, the finances to buy who they want, champions league football and a massive global brand.

Swansea finished 11th. In reality where are we closer to being?

Truth is Rodgers vision may be achievable several years down the line but noone will give him 2 or 3 years of mid table football to get there.

Like it or not we'll never see his vision cOme to fruition. It'll simply take too long.

Close your eye and u will be real fan? then why ask Hodgson out ?

 

 

18 Aug 2012 22:28:14
The problem is liverpool are top club and expectation are high but they are run as small club eg

Liverpool need

A)top manager
B)top players
C)big stadium
D)this ingredents will take liverpool to champions league or league titles

But now they are run as follows

A) young manager
B)average players
C)small stadium
D) this ingredents are taking liverpool down. Every year liverpool are heading to midtable finish

Now liverpool have owners who can't leave to expectation of this great club its up to owners or board to realise its not easy being owner of one of the biggest club in world football

Just hope it helps for some fans. Anyways all the best for the season thanks

Chelsea forever

Mind your own business and how dare you call our Anfield a small stadium?

Jack D.

"Chelsea forever". Pretty much sums up this post.

Zero

LOL. Your great, by your logic all i need (is bigger house, fitter girl friend and bigger penis. lol)

How easy it would be if we could just wish for stuff.

Here is a Man United point of view. You have just stated mostly absolute rubbish mate. Brendon Rodgers is a good manager and can really only get better. I agree there team is very average maybe even mediocre, Suarez can not finish and they are in desperate need of a poacher. Anfield is good and historic with a good atmosphere and is far superior in football to stamford Bridge. I think Liverpool will improve especially if they can sign some talent like Scott Sinclair. Liverpools owner have been more than fair freeing cash uo to over £100million but it was wasted that is not there fault. Anyway I think Liverpool will get better and I think You will end up around 4th or 5th.

To man united fan owners havnt spend 100m if you check our net spend is 30/35 lots of money have come from sales

Fernando Torres 50m
Raul meireles 11m
Babel 6m
Ngong 4m
Kuyt 1m
Aquilani 3m

And at the same time they have reduced a lot and I mean a lot of wages.
Problem is they want champions league cheaply which will never happen and oh what has rodger proved to be a manager of club like liverpool don't get me wrong pressure is different here and expectation are high at the same time shoestring budget

 

 

18 Aug 2012 22:28:09
gerrard, downing, kelly, skrtel and lucas were let downs.

skrtel's positioning for the first penalty caused the sending off to agger.

next game we should play 5311
johnson, caragher, skrtel, coates, enrique
allen, lucas, shelvey
gerrard
suarez


but the ref just took the prize, whistled our game dead and let wb game flow. stupid yellow on lucas and second pen.

The absence of Enrique was our undoing, it caused glen to be played in a less effective position and exposed Kelly as not being able to play as a wing back.

downing tried too many things on his own and passed poor. Gerrard just wasn't one it at all it was like watching him against gomel the first leg. Shelvey would have been more effective.

Suarez great performance but needs to be clinical we missed about 5 sitters. and borini showed his inexperience but did a decent job.

that game showed why we need Sahin and Dempsey as well as Assaidi as a better attacking option from the bench than Cole.

i'm not having a go at everyone i'm just making an analysis from my point of view. we just weren't there, plus that ref really fcked up in my opinion.

 

 

18 Aug 2012 22:25:19
You 'fans' make me sick.

After one game you already want Brendan out. If that's the case then Dalglish should have been out when we lost to Utd in the cup back in January 2011.

Just because we lost our first game doesn't mean it's the end for the season, a couple decisions didn't go our way, players didn't perform, that's football. Maybe Norwich and QPR should sack their managers?

You people make me sick.

NY23

When we start comparing ourselfs to Norwich and QPR then we know that we're in real trouble.

 

 

18 Aug 2012 22:24:30
Wait can someone explain to me why we bought Borini?

Good player, good on the ball, heart, technique strength... Yr point is?? Or are you blaming him for today's performance??

Aldos tash

To replace Dirk Kuyt , with Luis Suarez playing as a false 9 .

TheScarf

 

 

18 Aug 2012 22:19:46
Adam Johnson to Sunderland for £11million...

Red PG

 

 

18 Aug 2012 22:17:34
I seem to remember one of the Eds saying before the manager situation was sorted, that he feared for the amount of abuse the new manager would get when he loses two games on the bounce ... Well never mind two games! It is absolutely pathetic and frankly embarrassing that some posters feel the way that they do after one competitive game in charge. Sort yourselves out and support our club!

ToonRed

 

 

18 Aug 2012 22:15:20
Don't get too disheartened. I'm not a Rodgers fan but judge him at least after about ten games. I think Kenny should have been given longer time but FSG replaced him so that's that. Fans need to give Rodgers time and see what happens. If by the new year we haven't improved then we can assess the managers position. Chin up we've got Man City next week.

Assess the manager's position in January/new year/whatever, are you serious or what?

One good/great goalscorer with Borini and Suarez either side would have changed things against WBA. Have faith that Brendan will sort it out as soon as he can.

Keith

 

 

 
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