Liverpool Banter Archive August 19 2015

 

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19 Aug 2015 23:42:15
Really upset that we may lose Sakho, if he does leave it's what is best for his career as I doubt he will ever get a run of games under BR.

Considering his abnormally large nose it strikes me as ironic that he can't tell the difference between a pile of bananas and a bouquet of roses: livid.

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19 Aug 2015 23:58:57
Plenty of us livid with you FORNAX. Even the die hard Rodgers fans don't want it to happen. We are so close to having a fantastic team to challenge, such a shame.

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20 Aug 2015 01:01:47
Sahko and Lucas leaving tells you all you need to know about BR's ability to spot good players.

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20 Aug 2015 06:57:34
Sakho was always going to leave after his refusal to sit on the bench last season.
Not a team player

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20 Aug 2015 07:55:24
He is such a bad team player he captained PSG and France

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20 Aug 2015 10:06:43
Then threw his toys out of the pram at PSG when he got dropped.
See any similarities?

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19 Aug 2015 23:40:19
{Ed033's Note - Football Rumours Podcast 2 now posted with Ed001 and Benny Baller discussing the Liverpool v Bournmouth match and Harry scousers true identity

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20 Aug 2015 05:11:43
Incredible. speechless. 😄😄😄😄

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{Ed001's Note - if only that were true!}

20 Aug 2015 05:57:56
what do i have to do to get a podcast discussing about me?

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{Ed001's Note - I accept bribes. Especially when paid in large denomination bills.}

20 Aug 2015 13:56:12
Would Monopoly money suffice?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, I can always tell benny baller it is Emirati money and swop it with him for English money....}

19 Aug 2015 23:12:43
I hope Sakho does leave and becomes the best centre back in the world. If people actually think Lovren is better then they really do need to give there head a wobble. Even Skrtel is overrated, Sakho is a quality defender and would be amazing at arsenal or chelsea. Markovic is decent and Lallana is decent. People think Coutinho is like the best player in the world but he gives the ball away time and again. He is quality but Liverpool fans get on my nerves with there negativity, Start singing at the match and encourage the team and maybe we will have something special to sing about come May. Y.N.W.A

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20 Aug 2015 01:05:16
Many think because a player plays each game means he's better than another and that could not be any further than the truth. Sahko is our best CB, period and the fact that the defensive guru thinks Skrtel and Lovren are better shows you how brilliant he is at recognizing great defenders especially Skrtel, who gets bullied by any striker with an ounce of muscle.

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20 Aug 2015 07:02:22
Best defender in the world? He couldn't get his game for PSG so got a move to lfc, he threw a strop because he got dropped last season, refused to be a sub.
Massively overrated, let's see who buys him. Citeh/ barca/Chelsea/real/ Bayern.

More like Fenerbace.

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20 Aug 2015 08:46:33
Those same plebs went and bought David Luiz for £50 million Ron,remember that.
Sakho has a lot of talent. He looks to play it out,and for options,he's strong and confident. He's actually a decent leader when defending from set pieces and does well in organising the defense. I agree that he has some what of a 50pence head and it can go off anywhere,and that sometimes he's going to get caught in posession,but that's going to happen sometimes when you have a ball passing defender. We'd be better with him in the team rather than Lovren trying to spray passes out wide to coutinho and Ibe and getting far too much height on them,or lacking velocity,or Skrtel booting it up to Benteke because he can't pick a pass,or dawdling and playing it back to Migs. at the age of 25 he's played almost 200 league games,which is a fair amount of experience.

Personally I think he had a right to be pissed off when Lovren was chosen ahead of him. ESPECIALLY given Lovrens form at the time.

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20 Aug 2015 10:08:36
He's meant to be a professional not an 8 year old kid.
Being dropped is part of being a professional footballer these days

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20 Aug 2015 11:14:27
Being dropped when you're the better player,is NOT part of football EVER,that's where you're mistaken.

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20 Aug 2015 13:57:12
I think being rotated is accepted for a professional footballer these days.

Being dropped completely is another thing.

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20 Aug 2015 14:40:57
Dropped/rotated same difference, it's about how you react and he reacted like a petulant kid.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not the same difference at all, as you well know.}

19 Aug 2015 22:39:02
Sakho not a happy bunny, I for one think he is clumsy and hugely overrated so he can do one for me. Just get someone who does a tidy unspectacular job every week.

While I am at as much as I love Llanna he is struggling in our team and I am beginning to have my doubts . Also I think Ibe is not up to it frankly, his decision making is poor and consistently fails to beat the last man.

I love every body else though really.

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19 Aug 2015 23:00:56
Ibe will be fine. The book is out on him and teams know to double team him to prevent him from abusing players one on one. If Rogers makes an adjustment and rushes Clyne up the wing to take the double team out of play, Ibe will be back to his most productive self.

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19 Aug 2015 23:22:58
Ibe is very young to cast judgement. Lallana is our new kuyt. Hard working but that's about it. Sakho (with or without Liverpool) will be a world class defender.

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20 Aug 2015 01:07:30
Rewool, and Skrtel isn't clumsy, poor, has no pace and gets bullied by even Callum Davidson from Bournmouth, right? Nonesense! Sahko is our best CB and he is everything Skrtel and Lovren wished they were.

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20 Aug 2015 03:44:29
Apologies in advance for the touch of negativity, but these are just some of my thoughts. Only two really that I find have some correlation. It does feel extremely therapeutic to get it out.

The way Sakho, Lucas, Markovic, Balo, Borini, Moreno, Enrique, Ilori have/are being treated and alienated smells of someone with a prima donna complex. Granted some of those names just aren't good enough, I still don't agree with the way they are dealt with.

One of these days this utter bull crap way of alienating players, hanging them to dry, not giving them the time of day and crapping over their careers because one man decided he 'IS' Liverpool is going bite this club in the buttocks.

Who would want to come to Liverpool with a capricious manager like BR in charge when even guys who were bought by him (for sums of £20m, £18m, £16m) are cast out after 1 season (Sakho 2).
While guys who are now oh so vital to the team (Henderson, Skrtel, Flanagan would have been sold for a combined £20m had the offers come in all but 2 seasons ago).

To me it all seems as though he wants everyone to think those players aren't cut out to perform at the level the club demands. When in fact it is his own short fallings as coach and team organiser for not using the players to their full potential.

Our Team as it is has creativity, defensive solidity, and enough attacking threat to be challenging not that we will. If only the whole squad was used in a manner that suits them - the players, in terms of the style of play, formation and starting 11. If Arsenal and Utd are seen a title contenders by Law so should we because we aren't miles behind them as people make out.

It was no fluke we had the run we had last season but to do that BR was forced into using players he didn't want to use (mainly due to injuries), formations (again down to players available) and style of play (as he had to win games because his neck was on the line).

Although I am under no illusions of where we are, what our limits are and what we need to overcome them. If you don't know it's change, not necessarily the manager but certainly his judgment and how it affects his application because it transcends onto the field (don't know if that is the right word :). Needless to say top 4 is a must, last season we went through major regression. Rafa had 'ONE' of those and was out, Brendan got another £80m+ to spend, but let's not get into that.

Lastly to all who comment after only reading the 1/3 of the post, seek help.

Deuces and thanks for reading.

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19 Aug 2015 22:19:05
Podcast done, its a cracker. Bonus footage of revealing who harry scouser is. Definitely not one to miss!
on either tonight or tomorrow morning :)

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19 Aug 2015 22:33:39
You little tease "tonight or tomorrow" lol

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{Ed001's Note - it depends on how long Ed033 takes to set it up.}

19 Aug 2015 22:41:00
Is he Harry from 1D?

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19 Aug 2015 22:44:46
Deadly! looking forward to it, really liked the first one. Great idea.

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19 Aug 2015 22:15:55
Evening reds,

Loan update.

Ojo was an unused substitute as wolves threw away a 2 goal lead to lose 3-2 at home to qpr

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19 Aug 2015 21:36:34
Is tonight's podcast on live?

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19 Aug 2015 21:24:30
hi first time poster long time reader. could some one please explain why Rodgers does not rate illori

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19 Aug 2015 22:41:40
Who said he doesn't rate him?

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19 Aug 2015 22:52:57
Generally Ron if a manager 'rates' a player he picks him in the squad on match days or even - God forbid - picks him in the starting XI ahead of Skittles the Shirt Puller. What he doesn't do is lie to the player's Father and promise his son game time which never materialises.

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20 Aug 2015 11:43:52
Yes Essex, well you're speaking "generally" again about a specific (not general) situation.
You are also making a lot of assumptions based on what you have read on the Internet.
There may be other reasons why Sakho is not being picked such as attitude and commitment. It may have nothing to do with his ability. His reaction to being dropped around Christmas last year is well documented. It is not something our former great managers would have put up with.

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19 Aug 2015 21:13:06
Celtic crowd putting us to shame tonight,excellent support.i like the look of the lad Forrest

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19 Aug 2015 22:37:09
A couple thousand away fans put us to shame every other week!

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19 Aug 2015 21:06:06
After a superb first half featuring ilori texiera rossiter the u21s went into the break at 1-3 up penalty from Wilson, plus a 20 yarder from texiera & a nice finish from canos. Awful second half trying to defend the lead was stupid and it finished 3-3

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19 Aug 2015 22:34:53
At least they are preparing the defenders for the first team :oP

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20 Aug 2015 01:11:02
Who won't get a game under BR.

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20 Aug 2015 01:11:45
They are wasting their time because they won't get a game under BR.

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19 Aug 2015 20:44:47
Hello eds and my fellow reds. This is fantastic site, I visit here whole day. I love the way ed02 replies to queries, right on the face :) . Our visit to Emirates next week will really test how good we are and how much of a tactical genius Brenda is. I hope he would go either with 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. While the former would contain the strong midfield of gunners and the latter to minimise the effects of their fast wingers Ox and wallcot. Our back 4 should be same as in the previous games. Can and milner deepest midfield options with Moreno, couthino and firmino ahead of them and big Ben as lone striker.

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19 Aug 2015 22:20:35
Big test hope we don't get embarrassed like last season, skrtel and lovren are starting to form a partnership at the back, Ibe and lallana need to do more I think,

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19 Aug 2015 20:33:52
Does anybody else really miss the Adidas/ Carlsberg jerseys? Reebok had some really good ones too. I'd be curious to hear what some peoples favorites are.

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19 Aug 2015 21:20:56
I liked the Carlsberg logo but not the actual jerseys addidas put out.

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19 Aug 2015 21:32:57
Whichever one is winning

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19 Aug 2015 21:45:30
I miss those jerseys as well. I have an old Reebok, I don't like it as well. I think the NB jerseys are much improved from the last two seasons.

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19 Aug 2015 22:12:06
Hitachi V neck - want one now!

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19 Aug 2015 22:16:44
I like Adidas kits but when the recently supplied our kits they were vile. Horrible shades or red, with awful patterns in the fabric. New Balance is trendy but again our new home jersey is horrendous. The away kits are quite cool.

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19 Aug 2015 22:43:38
Best one in recent times was the Istanbul one.

Other than that I've been pretty non-plused.

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19 Aug 2015 19:45:36
Keeping an eye on Rossiter this evening as I feel he will make a proper breakthrough this season if Lucas leaves and we don't sign a midfielder.

Things seen from the first half:

1) Most impressive in his defensive positioning - ie providing cover at CB when Ilori gets forward. Also doesn't vacate the central area too often cutting off Everton's chances to counter. He always checks around him to ensure he is in the right position and makes slight movements to cut off angles for the opposition passes when Liverpool aren't in possession. Only on 1 occasion did he get caught upfield from a Liverpool corner which resulted in an Everton Break.

2) Comfortable on the ball but playing more short passes rather than being too adventerous (much more tiki-taka from the U21s than the first team) Did make 1 really cutting edge pass which resulted in us hitting the post.

3) Loves a tackle - sometimes a bit too forceful but it is a derby so I'm not complaining too much!

4) Controlling the tempo of the game ie always making himself available for a pass.

Jose Enrique in the stands trying to learn a thing or too from Maguire. I don't think he was on twitter at the time though.

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19 Aug 2015 20:35:43
Instagram I reckon AZ probably taking a picture of his meat and potato pie at half time!

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19 Aug 2015 22:06:59
Would love to see Rossiter get a proper run in the 1. team.

Not sure it would happen though

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19 Aug 2015 22:37:32
Given the final score and the time of your post (and good overview) - how was he in the second half?

I hope he gets his chance this season even if it is 35 games in the championship.

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19 Aug 2015 19:34:26
With all the scouts 100's apparently- haha

Hope Illori and Tiexeira stays with our 1st team squad.

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19 Aug 2015 19:31:51
Boys doing us proud so far, class goal from texiera, midfield bossing it at the mo with some nice one touch passing

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19 Aug 2015 19:28:18
This Teixera is a bloody good player, he should be in and around the first team this year as cover for Couthino at least, real quality, just scored a belter for the u21's

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19 Aug 2015 20:28:32
Way too good for that level to be honest, tho i'm not going to say he is a Liverpool first team player.

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20 Aug 2015 01:16:24
Texeira is just class which is why we moved scorched earth to get him signed after he ran the show at the NextGen tourney. Only BR knows why he won't play him.

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19 Aug 2015 19:26:37
U21s looking very good in the early stages hopefully br is watching. Rather see these lads that's keen then splashing needless cash

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19 Aug 2015 19:38:15
Tell you what they're better to watch than a Brendan Rodgers snooze fest of pointless passing around among the centre backs

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19 Aug 2015 19:38:21
I second that man, plus BR or whoever does the transfer deals needs serious help.

Markovic = 20mil yet we failed to buy Salah for 12mil???

Balotelli = 16mil yet we failed to buy Bony would cost 16mil at the time???

Lallana = 25mil when we already had Ibe???

Lambert = 4mil when we could promote a pacey Sinclair or Yesil???

etc. etc.

Disappointing really when we waste so much funds on needless players.

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19 Aug 2015 20:29:50
Salah and Bony have been great buys.

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19 Aug 2015 21:27:20
Salah and bony have other options. Lallana is not more like coutihno rather than ibe to me. Lambert never get a chance but i agree i`d rather promote sinclair

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20 Aug 2015 01:18:20
Don't worry Essex, the "positive" fans will come and tell you it is not a snooze fest but a gritty performance from a team in transition.

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19 Aug 2015 19:25:49
Hendo scan results yet?

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19 Aug 2015 19:52:55
It's a girl.

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19 Aug 2015 21:23:18
Reply of the year BigBadBen. Really made me laugh.

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19 Aug 2015 19:22:46
Great finish by Texeira!

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19 Aug 2015 19:06:59
Tiago Ilori has reappeared! He's playing for the under 21s tonight

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19 Aug 2015 20:02:40
Taken off at half time. Fitness or first team plans?

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19 Aug 2015 22:44:52
Is he any relation to Tiago Llori?

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19 Aug 2015 15:59:57
Ings up top with Benteke? Peoples thoughts on that

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19 Aug 2015 16:59:40
12 players then?

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19 Aug 2015 17:02:39
Let's worry about getting can and firmino into the team first don't want too many changes to the team in one go

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19 Aug 2015 17:08:31
Defiantly worth a go I think. Maybe Europa league would be a good time to see how they would pair up.

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19 Aug 2015 17:50:43
Emre Can will get his chance during the season as will Roberto Firmino at the expense of Adam Lallana and Jordon Ibe before Daniel Sturridge comes back from injury.

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19 Aug 2015 17:51:39
Heskey and Owen

Red Rum

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19 Aug 2015 17:50:43
Emre Can will get his chance during the season as will Roberto Firmino at the expense of Adam Lallana and Jordon Ibe before Daniel Sturridge comes back from injury.

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19 Aug 2015 18:13:44
I thought Ings might have got a start with Benteke against Bournemouth. Wrong!

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19 Aug 2015 18:42:27
How about Benteke with Firmino just in behind him where he is best suited?

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19 Aug 2015 19:57:46
Origi > Ings

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19 Aug 2015 15:59:35
anyone else think ibe is scared to express himself incase of making too many mistakes and losing starting place? just a feeling i have. Just a thing i think rodgers has ingrained into too many players minds.

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19 Aug 2015 16:57:41
It's peeing it down here in Liverpool, I so blame BR - Rogers out!!!

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19 Aug 2015 17:01:39
The kid is under huge pressure to emulate Sterling. We have already made him better than Sterling in every news and social network sites. He needs regular game time and the focus shifted.
Sterling had no pressure when introduced as everything was going around Suarez and he just enjoyed his game.

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19 Aug 2015 17:02:43
I don't think so. Rodgers doesn't seem like the type that will insist on discipline and positioning over trying a trick.

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19 Aug 2015 17:28:11
my views about BR are well known but I am aldo getting tired of this rediculus accusation of BR on anything that is wrong in the world. As if, if Ibe was under less pressure and could 'express' himself he would become a Messi. It is very possible that this is more less what he is capable of.

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19 Aug 2015 17:42:02
Rodgers is very quick to drop anyone not doing what he wants! Even when players do good he drops them. Unless your one of his favourites then you can't do wrong for doing wrong!

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19 Aug 2015 18:33:42
Personally, I think he's trying too hard. When he gets the ball, he looks to do something spectacular like beat 2 or 3 men, instead of playing the simple pass. sometimes it's best to play the pass and make a run in behind for the return, that way you keep possession and create space to run into. He's got everything in his locker, but just needs to improve his decision making.

Red Rum

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19 Aug 2015 20:38:11
Its the difference between having the odd cameo like last season and doing ok and all of a sudden having to try a perform for 90 mins week in week out. It will take time and it won't be easy.

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19 Aug 2015 21:19:59
It would help ibe if Rogers played him on the right which is his correct side,he wouldn't have to cut inside all the time then

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19 Aug 2015 15:56:59
Ed! I need my weekly fix. where is that podcast? i'm hooked from the first try. you boys are worse than heroine

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{Ed001's Note - we are going to record a short one tonight, post match Bournemouth thoughts, but the full one will be either Friday evening or Saturday day that it will be up.}

19 Aug 2015 17:02:35
Haha cheers ed, sorry if i'm being annoying, just shows how much i enjoyed the first one

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19 Aug 2015 15:20:55
With the expansion of the main stand ongoing, can the ends confirm or give any indications as to whether we have intentions to reform the anfield road stand in the near future.is there any projects in the pipeline ?

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{Ed001's Note - if you look on the official site, the plans have been outlined as to what will happen with Anfield in the forseeable future mate.}

19 Aug 2015 15:09:10
Two weeks ladies and gentleman till the window closes and still no buyers for borini and balotalli I am getting mixed up what's going on with sakho and what about Lucas heading out anfiled too Lucas has changed since he first started out when we bought him he has had good perfominceses and for some reason he dose not get played back to borini balotalli its seems teams only whant to take both on loan balotalli I think whants still in prem to stay but with other team many at the moment it seems unlikely that they move out of anfiled I would some one proves me rong. Come on lfc ynwa good start to season :)

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19 Aug 2015 14:42:40
The Chavskis must have borrowed are negotiator for the Stones deal, I wonder if they will be laughed at making such silly offers as Liverpool have supposedly done in the past for players 😏

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19 Aug 2015 15:53:52
Except we will play him, he is widely regarded as an exceptional young talent, and when we spend £35m+ it isn't on a drunk donkey.

If offered, would you swap Lovren and Moreno for Stones? If the answer is yes, then we still can't be regarded as the club making silly signings ;)

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19 Aug 2015 16:28:37
Chelsea have a reputation of getting deals done pretty quick, at least in comparison to other teams the Stones saga has went on for a while but, that's an exception.

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19 Aug 2015 17:03:50
Stones is a good player but not in any dream a 35 mill player. Just because Chelsea are after a player he wouldn't become Maldini.
They did pay 30 mill for Cuardado.

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19 Aug 2015 17:04:13
Stones for 35 million or Joe Gomez for 1/10th of that. Hmm that's a puzzler

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19 Aug 2015 22:22:11
Hes English! The price goes up. Look at Sterling for instance. It doesn't make it a great bit of business to me.

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19 Aug 2015 14:42:05
Ed001, do you think that ings is actually going to get a chance to play? Appears we have bought him to sit and warm the bench.

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{Ed001's Note - I was going to type that he has been promised games so yes, but then I looked at all the other players that have been promised football and none are getting games, so probably not much hope of him getting many games. Though Benteke has shown signs of being injury prone in his career, so he should get a chance if Benteke is out for a while.}

19 Aug 2015 14:55:26
Ed001 What are your thoughts on Bentekes performances in the last game?

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{Ed001's Note - I thought he played well, just lacked anyone to really benefit from his game.}

19 Aug 2015 16:09:58
When Sturridge gets back either he or more likely Origi will be lucky to even make the bench.

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19 Aug 2015 14:29:43
I didn't see the game Monday. But i watched it on LFCtv today.
I would just like to ask peoples views on Moreno - coming on as a late sub - and playing in front of Gomez in a type of 'winger' role.
I thought he was amazing! Bright, lively, and being relatively free of defensive duties - he ran at Bournemouth and caused problems. Could he be used there more regularly?

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19 Aug 2015 15:00:00
Play him as natural LB behind Milner on the left hand side with a proper DM. The lad would overlapp and would mnake a solid combination on the flanks.

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19 Aug 2015 16:25:19
Agree a good option as wide midfielder in a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1 setup (if wanting to lock down a game) with lots of energy defensively yet plenty of pace on the counterattack. He certainly benefited confidence wise with Gomez behind him.

I wouldn't mind seeing the following 4-5-1 setup if we go a couple of goals up and want to close out the last 30mins of a game. Would be a very tough unit to break down, with enough pace and danger on the break to keep the opposition honest.

---------------Mig---------------
Clyne----Lovren------Sakho---Gomez
---------------Lucas--------------
Markovic--Hendo----Milner---Moreno
--------------Benteke--------------

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19 Aug 2015 17:06:18
Zimbo. You've overlooked somebody in that team haven't you?

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19 Aug 2015 17:08:12
No coutinho zimbo?

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19 Aug 2015 13:13:20
Can I just say, what a good piece of business Leicester have just done. Last season they nabbed Cambiasso too. And Chelsea pipping united to get Pedro!

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19 Aug 2015 13:26:11
Pedro is one of my fav player and I would happily disagree with Ed01 and agree with Ed02 on him. Its a great bit of business for Chelsea as they lack a genuine RW.

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19 Aug 2015 13:50:34
You do baffle me harry. What are cuadrado and Willian then?

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19 Aug 2015 13:55:38
Inler what a signing if he can produce to his capabilities.

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{Ed001's Note - I was thinking the same thing. They are really trying to move that club forward.}

19 Aug 2015 14:13:15
Don't forget Okazaki, who is an excellent player.

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{Ed001's Note - yeah, good point, I really like him too, though I did wonder if he would manage to adapt this season.}

19 Aug 2015 14:24:17
Okazaki certainly looked excellent this week. And Inler I think will be a fantastic signing for them

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19 Aug 2015 14:28:51
I debated getting okazaki into my fantasy team. I like him,but I wasn't sure about Leicester going forward. They seem to be really pushing in the goal threat department from their transfers. Overrall its a squad you'd say from simply looking at it that should stay up.

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19 Aug 2015 14:35:56
Reet

Willian plays pretty good through middle and Oscar is not a wide player neither ramirez is, Pedro will score goals and somthing Willian and cuadrado hasn't managed at all.

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19 Aug 2015 15:13:40
I thought Chelsea had sold Cuardrado before this weekend lol. I must have dreamt it,I didn't think he was in their plans.

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19 Aug 2015 12:28:59
I just read that Leverkusen have bid £7mil for Sakho only £1mil less than West Brom paid for Chester.

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19 Aug 2015 13:01:24
Sakho might fancy a move as Leverkusen is in CL?

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19 Aug 2015 13:07:12
If you put a 2 before that 7 I still wouldn't sell him.

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19 Aug 2015 13:49:21
European Glory

The first post wasn't about whether Sakho would want the move or not, it was highlighting how low the reported offer was.

£7 million is less than half what we paid for him 2 years ago, and he hasn't done his reputation any harm in that time so it seems a non-starter to me

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19 Aug 2015 14:23:35
He actually has Jay91. The whole anti-zionist/quenelle thing got one of his like-minded peers fired. That's not to say that the amount quoted for a player of his caliber is not a joke.

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19 Aug 2015 14:38:51
Jay91

While Agree with your point, Its not all down to the club as the player could push for move and could easily drop the asking price mate.
Manager don't want Sakho, But No one would pay 20 mill for him.We have a situation.

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19 Aug 2015 14:46:35
Maybe we can shift Skrtel off instead, a bit of sleight of hand or a switcheroo? Throw in Lovren while we're at it!

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19 Aug 2015 15:17:15
I was making reference to the low bid but it is all of our own doing, clubs know we are over quota hence all of the loan bids for borini,baloteli,Lucas etc. I get the feeling Sakho could be the one we use to try and balance the books to some degree along with Lucas but it will be cringeworthy how cheap they will go for

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19 Aug 2015 12:27:32
How could I not reply to young Wayne. I say young because due to your tone and spelling mistakes, I have assumed that you are still in the education process for which I wish you luck.
Can I ask that you articulate your replies with some form of rationale rather than just simple insults. It takes intelligence to do the former and a lack of for the latter!
Watch and ill demonstrate by responding to your points.
Man utd played with a press against Villa on Friday. When players get tired, then there are substitutes or other tactical options available to deal with this. It's called management.
I don't buy it that players are not fit enough at this stage. that's what pre season is for. Furthermore, they will actually get fit playing the press.
Also, can you tell me at what point you consider the players to be fit enough to play the system? 3 games? 5? 10? And how do you define when the players are fit enough?
My impatience on this matter is borne out of the last 3 seasons, rather than the 2 games that you so simply put it.
In terms of returning to the site when we are winning. I'll happily do so knowing that I held an opinion that is mine and one that i could articulate by myself without resorting to insults.
To those who say we are winning without playing well. How do you know that are current performances are not our good performances? I know where you are coming from and I'm playing a bit of devils advocate. But actually based on last season, fortunate victories were our good performances!!
I can't go without one for you Ron. I'm not offended that you don't want me in the trenches with you. but I'd urge you to reconsider. As I'd suggest your optimism would mean that you will need may need me to tell you when to duck!!!!

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19 Aug 2015 12:26:09
Uh oh, Lallana has been talking again, we know what that means :/

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19 Aug 2015 12:12:09
Apologies to those of you who will be blown away with my genius but I have been using a very large piece of intelligence (my brain) and by taking all factors into consideration scientifically extrapolated Liverpool's position at the end of the season.

I hope you are able to follow as it is quite complicated.

Algorithm: X plus Y / coefficient of nonsense

Wins 38
Points 114
Goals scored 38
Goals conceded 0
Final position 1st (I think)

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19 Aug 2015 12:50:16
By that same algorithm, City would be in first with 114 goals scored and none conceded.

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19 Aug 2015 14:22:32
They can't cause we got in first with 38 1-0 wins, City 108 points 2nd.

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19 Aug 2015 11:48:27
Whats with Adam Lallana becoming Liverpools spokesman haha

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19 Aug 2015 13:00:33
Leicster will poach it on goal difference mate!

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19 Aug 2015 11:13:49
Last night I dreamt that we beat Man City 4-0 with Toure, Benteke, Sturridge and Milner getting a goal each.

If only!

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19 Aug 2015 12:37:21
That's similar to mine, except mine was 5-0.
A Sterling own goal !

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19 Aug 2015 12:41:04
Toure??. Only Adam could do it. :)

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19 Aug 2015 12:50:49
Was it a Yaya Toure own goal?

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19 Aug 2015 13:17:59
I dreamt of three sterling own goals. Yaya to run of the field for a piece of cake. And kompany to slip.
Now i just have to find what was mixed in my food lasr night and

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19 Aug 2015 14:15:47
We have our own Toure, Kolo the legend.

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{Ed001's Note - I passed a guy yesterday in the street who looked the absolute spit of Kolo. He must have wondered why some divvy was stood staring at him!}

19 Aug 2015 16:24:01
Prolly creeped Kolo out, ed.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't think it was him, unless Rodgers has sent him on holibobs like he did Raheem and Enrique last season.....}

19 Aug 2015 10:55:08
So far this window we have offloaded Brad Jones, Glen Johnson, Sebastien Coates, Steven Gerrard, Raheem Sterling, Iago Aspas & Rickie Lambert with Mamadou Sakho, Jose Enrique, Lucas Leiva, Mario Balotelli & Fabio Borini set to follow. Along with these with have sent out Danny Ward, Lawrence Vigouroux, Andre Wisdom, Kevin Stewart, Lloyd Jones, Jordan Williams, Luis Alberto, Sheyi Ojo all being loaned out for the season. If Brendan Rodgers wanted to make a statement of intent and to show he knows what he wants he should have also offloaded Martin Skrtel, Kolo Toure & Joe Allen and not allow Sakho to leave.

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19 Aug 2015 16:25:29
Moral of your story? he doesn`t know what he wants because letting sahko and lucas leave, the very players who saved us from finishing in 10th place and helped save his job, proves that

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19 Aug 2015 10:04:26
I agree with the masses on here. I might give up as well after 2 whole games.

Two games and two wins. It's not good enough. We should Definately stop supporting the team straight away. After winning all our preseason games and picking up maximum points in the Prem a clear relegation fight is on the cards.

Even though it's 2 wins, maximum points, 2 clean sheets it's not enough, we should have won each game 5-0 minimum. I'm going to give up straight away, no support from me against Arsenal.

We should sack Rodgers this afternoon, if not late morning. Those former players and other managers who've had a successful career in the game know nothing, it's us armchair fans who've never kicked a professional ball in our lives know better. He has won both games and that in my eyes is not enough. Rodgers out!

We should have bought Shaqiri and Mitrovic, they've both looked great at Inter and Newcastle. Wasted money on Benteke instead, he's looked rubbish so far, constantly linking play, winning aerial battles and scoring winning goals. It's not what we need. We know better, that Bony lad at City is another missed oppertunity. Rodgers out!

I hate the way Rodgers has given chances to young players like Gomez and Ibe! Why! And giving a chance to a £20m CB to prove himself, just cause he's been part of 2 from 2 clean sheets means nothing, we should drop him immediately and show the team some harsh reality. Forget how well you improve you can never be good enough. Like a mission statement. Mignolet should have gone sooner too. Forget about turning things around and equaling clean sheet records only Hart and Coutios could achieve. He didn't look the best instantly so should go. Maybe should have done that with Henderson, we could spot a bad player these coaches know nothing.

2 wins with a new team, coaches and captain isn't good enough. We should have gelled sooner, back in July we should have won more by now. Swansea, Everton, Man Utd and Spurs to finish above us. Being 5 points ahead of Chelsea and conceding 4 less goals I predict 16th for us. It's all doom and gloom. Bring back H&G, Hodgeson and a spade in the ground. The good old days.

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19 Aug 2015 10:39:25
This made me smile.

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19 Aug 2015 10:39:56
Now this ladies and gentleman is what we call Sarcasm.

Good read though :)

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19 Aug 2015 10:41:13
That's the spirit! Those losers, winning ugly, how dare they!

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19 Aug 2015 11:06:32
Loved this!

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19 Aug 2015 11:10:03
Best post I have read in months. True though

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19 Aug 2015 11:17:04
people react to what they see on the pitch Max. But let's talk after the Arsenal and United games. Some of us complained early last seaso, other told them not to panick because we would come good. We remember how it ended. Specifically against United and Arsenal. let's see in the next three games what has changed since last season

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19 Aug 2015 11:52:11
Best post this year. Enjoyed that, Max.
Very, very good.

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19 Aug 2015 11:54:18
I'm also stoked about our new manager. Appointed two games ago and already got us in top 4. Scored a worldie in his first match and didn't give Couts as offside in our second. He is so multitalented. We are going to win the league, we're going to win the league.

I believe he is the man to take us forward, he's had us playing some wonderful footie I just can't get enough of and even has the public support of honest professionals. He has assembled a team which he totally utilizes and has done so with peanuts. Our previous managers were given a lot more and achieved a lot less.

I also love the faith he shows in our youth team. He is not one of those managers who need to be forced to play youngsters by the administration or due to injuries. This is exactly the reason our youth team players are so happy, are signing the new contracts we have offered them and are not looking for moves away.

I also love his humility. He is the personification of that exact virtue as is evident in his press interviews. What a well grounded man and how does he keep his ego in check so effectively? It's honestly beyond me.

As for my fellow fans and supporters, it's absolutely great that they have such a top, top understanding of statistics and the way they are used to portray and back up only solid arguments. After all statistic can never deceive.

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19 Aug 2015 12:19:06
Totally agree fanobip I was looking for Rodgers head last year before xmas, primarily because he is not a good judge of players e.g sakho v lovren ibe v markovich allen v lucas etc the list is endless he does not promote our good youth players ibe was sent on loan last season when clearly ready. He hasn't a clue tactically he has never won us a game where he made a good sub or changed shape.any manager that sees stevie g as a holding mid hasn't a clue. This season nothing has changed we look totally disjointed. I think the players we have are good enough for top 4 if managed properly. It is pointless people coming on here talking about players Rodgers is the problem we are just wasting more time sticking with him .

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19 Aug 2015 12:45:41
LFC_Phoinix, the reason Max's post works is because it's good satire of what the Doom Mongers are actually saying. The reason yours doesn't is because it's not satire, it's just another bitch-fest.

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19 Aug 2015 13:28:21
Max Renn, the worst of it is, I believe you.

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19 Aug 2015 14:23:00
Or the reason it works in your opinion muscatred is because it conforms to your views, thus giving you validation!

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19 Aug 2015 14:31:47
The truth hurts when one is not accustomed to appreciating, muscatred. Your arguments are well founded though, my self-anointed moderator pimp.

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19 Aug 2015 16:19:25
Waro, Max's post was making fun of certain poster's on this site. A lot of people who agree with him found it very funny. Even if you agree with Phoinix's sentiment I'm pretty sure it didn't make you giggle.

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19 Aug 2015 09:21:18
The gap between midfield and Benteke is too big, counter attacking football and mixing in with play from deep will suit Benteke much better I think.

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19 Aug 2015 13:12:51
I would like to see Ings alongside Benteke. Christian has been brilliant knocking balls down, but he's often alone up there, and I can't help but think sacrificing one of our midfielders in favor of a 2nd striker would solve that issue.

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19 Aug 2015 08:36:34
Eds, if Henderson was carrying an injury into the Bournemouth match as has been quoted by BR then why would we take the chance on him getting injured.
With really difficult games coming up and an abundance of options in midfield then this seems like a crazy decision when we were playing one of the weaker teams in the league.

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{Ed001's Note - you would have to ask Brendan, but I would say it was to give him and Milner more time to gel as a pairing.}

19 Aug 2015 08:31:42
Ed - with all the rumours re. Sack leaving - which I hate - he's one of the few leaders we have.

Does this mean we have Illori and Gomez and Toare as our back-up to Skertl and Lovren?

Surely not

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

19 Aug 2015 13:09:16
Doubtful we will see anymore arrivals ed ain't it?

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

19 Aug 2015 13:58:22
If there was an injury to skrtel or lovren, do you see it being toure then ilori if toure is on the bench?

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{Ed001's Note - I would hope it would be Ilori getting the nod, but it does seem likely it would be either Toure or Gomez moving across.}

19 Aug 2015 14:11:24
Maybe we'll sign some more spanish kiddies hooray.

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19 Aug 2015 08:04:44
Merely an observation regarding the way we have played in our first 2 games and Rodgers' comments in pre-season.

He said a few weeks ago that we needed to be able to play both with the high press and low block. Most managers seem to think it is easier to coach the low block so do people think this is behind the tactics of the first couple of games?

Personally I feel once fitness comes and the attacking players are more comfortable in the team, we will look for the high press more often - Firmino vital for this!

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19 Aug 2015 09:22:07
Clearly not since we are not sitting deep. There's plenty of space in behind skrtel and Lovren which if we didn't play Stoke and Bournemouth a better team would have exploited. The cohesion of the 2 centreback has still been missing somewhat,with large gaps left between them at time,so clearly if they've been working on it in training it's not showing its effects yet. We still have problems shifting player across in the unit for me ,and I think teams are targeting Gomez and Lovren,when they do Lovren steps across but Skrtel doesn't follow for the threat.
I'm personally not a fan of defenses that sit deep and counter though I understand why they do it. I think given our frailties in the defensive department and if we are not going to play a DM a high press is a must to keep it as far away from our 18 as possible.

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19 Aug 2015 11:24:39
Your comment actually makes me retract part of what I say. You are right in that we have not been defending that deep. The reason I said low block is because we have 2 of the best pressers (Henderson & Milner) in restricted roles protecting the defence, Rodgers preferring a defensive minded left back and Clyne, despite looking good in all areas, has not been as adventerous as he was at Southampton - not a bad thing just an observation.

I think Allen will actually come back straight into the team when fit. Despite his frailties, he is the only person who can play the holding role and control the tempo of the game. Can is positionally quite poor despite having plenty of other strengths. Lucas' passing and close technique is not strong enough while Henderson and Milner are far better when they are let off the leash - both can get goals.

If Allen does come back and Firmino gets fit soon, I hope Rodgers goes for the high intensity press and brings Moreno in at left back and gives Ilori/Gomez a chance alongside Skrtel/Lovren to bring a bit of security to the defence with the pace they have (I have no hope of Rodgers playing Sakho again now)

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19 Aug 2015 11:39:54
Bob.

Keeping aside Skrtel for a minute. Any player (wide players) especially with pace will eat Lovren.

Now this has nothing to do with 10 other Liverpool players.

An observation after Bournemouth game. Wilson beat Lovren twice inside three minutes one on one.

Lovren is a bang average player and club got ripped off for the money like others

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19 Aug 2015 12:09:57
How can you say firmino is vital. he's played around 30 minutes and done nothing. Hope he turns out to be great but many before him have failed. Coutinho is the vital cog, without him we are done. Personally I'd go back to the diamond.

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19 Aug 2015 12:55:38
It's important that he integrates quickly into the squad. I said Firmino would be vital for the pressing game if that is what we choose to adopt because he makes so many ball recoveries in the final third and hence we go from defending to attack within seconds with the starting point of the attack so close to the opposition goal

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19 Aug 2015 13:10:32
Az, Lucas is a pretty decent passer of the ball

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19 Aug 2015 13:41:55
AZ I wouldn't like to hazard a guess as to who plays when fit, with BR, the man is a law unto himself in that regard for me.

Allen may come back straight in he may not. I'd prefer it if he didn't myself. As you say I would like both Hendo and Milner pressing high,they have the work rate,and knowhow to do it. which would keep the ball away from our back 4. That said I also want better communication between those two which may come in time,they keep trying to take up the same free spaces going forward,they each need to think about doing the dirty work of dragging opposition players away to create room.

EG I said time and again I wanted Sakho to start this season. I know Lovren was done on a few occasions,for me ideally neither would start,but currently BR is chosing both. Lovren may get done for pace and skill,but he's doing his job in the tactical department of pushing up,dropping,covering,moving across,not dragging opposition players to ground in the penalty box etc. The same can NOT be said of Skrtel

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19 Aug 2015 14:10:31
Bob

I agree with you, Neither would start in my team, It should be Sakho and Ilori. But Our Manager is biased.

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19 Aug 2015 08:04:41
Morning Reds,

Loan update from last nights football league action.

Lloyd Jones played the full 90 as Blackpool lost 2-1 at home to Burton continuing their poor start to the season.

Vigouroux and Williams played the full 90 whilst Stewart was an 89th minute sub as Swindon drew 2-2 at home to port vale. Port Vale equalised with a 96th minute penalty.

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19 Aug 2015 08:30:54
Thanks Carra Mate.

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19 Aug 2015 05:25:11
Was speaking to my arsenal friend earlier and he is convinced that Özil is better Coutinho. Obviously I think otherwise. I wanted to hear other people's views on the two players and how they can be compared. Discuss away!

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19 Aug 2015 05:36:49
Countinho has had more influence than Ozil. Ozil cost them close to 45 mill while we got Countinho for less than 10 mill.

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19 Aug 2015 08:09:53
Tricky one. Both are excellent when playing well. Question is, who does it more consistently and who has the biggest influence on the team? Coutinho has undoubtedly been our best player since Suarez left, whereas Arsenal can probably do without Ozil more than we can do without Coutinho. Does that mean Arsenal can replace Ozil easier than we can replace Coutinho or does it mean that Coutinho is simply the better player? If Coutinho can keep up his best level this season then it's a no brainer for me.

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19 Aug 2015 08:41:22
I think ozil was the much better player. ozil was simply oustanding at madrid. and i think madrid just have not been able to replace the hole left by ozil. however as for arsenal neither is ozil the best player they have nor does he have the influence our coutinho has for the team. ozil is however much better at set pieces than coutinho. so from dead ball situations ozil is just better. coutinho has been scoring from distance but he is really not the type of player who gets into the box to recieve the ball and score/cross. he always needs a player to make a run in front of him to produce a great pass. however ozil runs into the box and looks to find a cross to striker or shoot. coutinho is effective in midfield just outside the penalty box while ozil is mighty effective inside the box. ozil is lost in midfield and he is just not a midfielder. while coutinho is comfortable at dropping deep picking the ball and carrying it , finding space and through balls but is mighty inffective once inside the box. so they are two very different type of No. 10's for you. i still think ozil has the edge over coutinho because of his ability from set pieces. as for impact coutinho certainly impacts more since he drops deep to get on the ball and drives the team forward while ozil in some games is just goes missing.

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19 Aug 2015 09:13:18
Take away Coutinho from this LFC team, and his absence will be felt strongly. take away Ozil from Arsenal and there wouldn't be big difference felt. Also, I feel if you put Coutinho into Arsenal, he will stand out, put Ozil in LFC, and he will struggle.

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19 Aug 2015 09:42:38
My 2 cents-

Coutinho creates and scores more. Ozil scores n creates less in a team that (at least last season) offered more than us.

Coutinho works way harder for the team.

Coutinho cost 1/5 of what Ozil cost. Bargain.

Imo if AW had paid 10m instead of 45m, Ozil probably won't be starting as much. But he splashed out the 45m so there's that obligation to play him. A bit like BR n Lovren I guess. Haa

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19 Aug 2015 10:03:04
I'm probably a bit biased ;) but the way I see it Coutino will only get better, while Ozil already picked.

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19 Aug 2015 10:24:42
Interesting. Countinho certainly makes things happen for us but that appears to be our number 1 plan where as at Arsenal, Ozil is one of many options. I think that is part of our problem to be honest.

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19 Aug 2015 12:12:03
Ozil is rubbish in the premiership. simples

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{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but that is simply not true. I am with Guardiola on this, Ozil is truly top class.}

19 Aug 2015 13:21:24
Ed001
Ozil at Madrid World Class.
Ozil at Arsenal apart from a few instances very poor and a huge waste of 42 million pounds.

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{Ed001's Note - that is because he is very rarely being used correctly.}

19 Aug 2015 13:24:48
Akshit I don't understand how you can say real have struggled to replace ozil? Isco and James are both better IMO but I do agree with your point about the differences between the two players

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{Ed001's Note - and yet Isco is available because they deem him not good enough. James is not the same type of player at all.}

18 Aug 2015 22:58:04
Ed can one of the future podcasts take an in depth look at our back room team.

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{Ed001's Note - yes mate, the next one will talk about how the change came about, I will start putting together some info on them and if we get time fit it in there. It might have to wait a week though.}

18 Aug 2015 23:25:20
Watched United tonight (wasn't great fun) and so now I have watched all the other big four teams over this weekend. I can say that the fans of all of them have a lot of reasons for optimism. Even Chelsea, despite the poor start, we all know they will come good. The two Manchester teams are in the best form I have seen them for some time and both play very attraactive football. Memphis Depay will be the signing of this season IMO, top class player. Arsenal also look good, don't let that first loss mislead you. With Sanchez they are a great team.

I said in the summer that we would be far far behind these four teams already in Xams but I was honselty secretly hoping I am wrong both about us and about them. I now think the gap is even bigger than I imagined.

Depressing. We deserve better and we could get better with a different manager. Call me a moaner but let's talk after our games against Arsenal and United.

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19 Aug 2015 01:15:09
Let's talk after Man U play well consistently, they looked bad vs Villa, and Tottenham would win if they took their golden chances. I agree their signs are more positive than ours, but don't be too worried just yet.

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19 Aug 2015 01:22:39
you need to learn football man united are in form they had 3 shots in total in the first 2 games of the season and beat 2 poor sides with a own goal and a deflection, please go and support someone else giving in after 2 games your a disgrace as for tonight they played club brugges at home and went 1 nil down before scrapping a win against a poor team yes depay scored 2 good goals but were was he in the 2 prem games. IMO you need to learn the game if unuted play rooney up top all season they won't get 5th never mind 4th rooney is a player who plays in the whole not a scorer watch them struggle for goals this season

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19 Aug 2015 03:06:52
Wayne, it's not a disgrace to have an opinion different to yours. Blind faith leads people of cliffs my friend.

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19 Aug 2015 04:21:06
Well yours eyes will be opened after we beat Arsenal on the emirates next round. You wait and see.

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19 Aug 2015 04:56:29
You've been wanting to pull that line out for a while, haven't you Mark. Couldn't even wait to find context, ya just threw it in there like a good aussie butchering the written word.

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19 Aug 2015 07:15:17
Lionred how are you so sure we will beat Arsenal? Your comments are farcical. We may beat them yes, but Arsenal are a better side no doubt.

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19 Aug 2015 09:29:38
Man U in form!!

Wayne is rite in what he says, united looked poor in the two league games.

They played a poor team last night and now there world beaters.

What did depay do in the two league games?

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19 Aug 2015 09:33:51
Also forgot to add how can Chelsea take have optimismfrom there two league games?

Yeah they will come good with the quality of squad thy have but to say they can have optimism from them games is a joke.

Fanobip we played not so good and got 6 points from 6 , united played poorly for most of last season and got top 4.

The gap you're on about doesn't exist in terms of squad quality it will only be the manger who hampers it.

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19 Aug 2015 10:14:15
Great reply Melbourne. It's so much easier to attack the person than to counter the argument.

In all honesty, I know top 4 teams are the competition but we shouldn't be judging our performances based on theirs. What if they all start heading for relegation zone? Should we be following them on the way down?

I'm with fanobip on this one, a different manager and this team, we could really challenge for the title.

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19 Aug 2015 12:19:45
Manchester United have been as bad as us if not worse. They scabbed it against run of play v spurs. They were shocking against villa. Let's see how they get on against stoke and Bournemouth. May beat Bournemouth but stoke will do them over in my opinion.
They haven't improved that much to be honest I expected much better players to be bought by them. Cavani, benzema that kind of calibre. Don't think much of schweinsteiger and even Pedro if they get him.
I'm more happy with our squad as it stands although like united a big name CB would of been nice. When were fit and on form I think we'll be flying mate. A couple more edgy games should do it

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18 Aug 2015 22:21:28
Two scruffy unconvincing games, 6 points in the bag. A big improvement - we were losing these sorts of games last year. And doing well in the league isn't taking points when you play well - it's about taking points when you play badly.

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19 Aug 2015 07:06:38
we would have lost the last game with a different referree. So u can say the difference from last year is we got better luck with the officials.

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19 Aug 2015 07:59:05
Dont see how its any different to last year we had a spell in the middle of the season when we went to three at the back. The football was still pretty dire but we kept winning. Then the tinkering and the losses began again.

The football we are currently playing will take is nowhere other than mid table i'm afraid.

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19 Aug 2015 08:01:03
More whining - Utd have been woeful for over 2 seasons now and nothing they've done this summer has really improved that. Their keeper was the main reason they took 4th spot last year and he's not 'mentally fit' and will probably move on. They are at the same level as we are, simple as that.

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19 Aug 2015 08:13:23
If there was a different referee we'd have lost? No we'd have been 1-0 down after 5 minutes and playing in an entirely different game, no guarantee it'd have stayed 1-0, who knows we may have come back and won 4-1. The difference is we have been battling better and seemingly working harder, and it is paying off so far, make your own luck and that.

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19 Aug 2015 08:57:56
I don't get it. The 5th minutes goal is obviously a foul. And our goal is obviously an offside. How does that make we lost 1:0?

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19 Aug 2015 10:24:04
Hate comments like that as obviously it's a completely different game if we're 1-0 down compared to 1-0 up to say that if it is a different ref we would have lost is a joke. We could have ended up battering a Bournemouth team who looked to sit back 5-1 you don't know like so completely ridiculous to say that we would have lost with a different ref/linesman

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