Liverpool Banter Archive August 19 2017

19 Aug 2017 23:35:49
How anyone can say Mahrez wouldn't be good enough for us is beyond me, he carves defenses apart from out wide or through the middle. Would be a great replacement if Coutinho went.

19 Aug 2017 23:54:33
People don't doubt his ability, they doubt his mentality. He spent most of last season doing precisely nothing, and if he doesn't get a move from Leicester, he'll probably do the same again this season once the window is shut.

19 Aug 2017 23:55:13
He's nothing like Coutinho. Coutinho is a number 10, always has been. Mahrez is a winger.

20 Aug 2017 00:29:32
Players to hand in a transfer request:

Van Dijk
Coutinho
Mahrez

Players still putting a shift in for their team:

Mahrez.

20 Aug 2017 00:35:48
His skill set would work well as a 10 too, he doesn't rely on pace for his skill.

20 Aug 2017 05:03:25
That's a good point kopite.

{Ed001's Note - though that does not tell the full story. The other two have made comparatively big money moves in the past that would have meant neither of them should have any financial worries. Both have earnt enough to be set for life. Mahrez came from the second tier of French football, was signed on the cheap and has not been earning a wage comparable with the other two either. He has to earn his living or his family will go hungry, the other two can afford to miss out on a few weeks' wages.}

20 Aug 2017 05:47:55
Ed, that doesn't change the fact he is being more professional.

{Ed001's Note - I never said it does. I was just pointing out that he does not have the option to miss games like they do. Would he be so professional if he did not need the money ie after he gets his move?}

20 Aug 2017 05:56:47
Ed I'm sure after a couple of years on 40k a week, you could have nothing coming in for a few months and people would hardly starve,

At the same time I have no idea what his wages are.

{Ed001's Note - his wages were significantly less than that. You forget they signed him from the second tier in France, which is equivalent to our League 2/Conference National in terms of wage structures, in the main. You are talking about a player earning a few hundred pounds a week that signed for a Championship club that was not cash rich at that time. He has had a pay rise for last season, but it is not the same as having had a big move, like VVD and Couts, which would have paid a signing fee of hundreds of thousands.}

20 Aug 2017 07:43:18
Mahrez will not fit the no. 10 role the way we play it. Cou fits it well as he has been here for 4 yrs, developing himself and his game to fit into it.

Mahrez will only work had we not signed Salah or Mane. BTW, his mentality is crap and does not work had enough when he does not have the ball. We shall see what happens after he gets his payday, if he gets one.

20 Aug 2017 08:57:36
Mahrez is an incredible player, but i don't like his attitude. He just downed tools last season.

Having said that, at a club like Liverpool he might be happier as it carries more prestige.

A front 3 of Mane, Salah and Mahrez with Firmino just behind would be absolutely lethal. There is no doubting that in my opinion. Their movement, pace, skill and vision would be enough to take even Juventus or Madrid to pieces.

21 Aug 2017 12:27:56
Fair point ed001.

{Ed001's Note - thanks.}

19 Aug 2017
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19 Aug 2017 22:12:04
I think most of the problems at the back stem from Henderson playing so deep. The injury sustained last year has taken his confidence in his body away he is playing far too negatively at the moment and doesn't seem to be making any progress.

I think Klopp needs to bring Grujic in at least until we sign someone. He stifles Can aswell when he plays.

19 Aug 2017 22:21:51
We kept a clean sheet!

19 Aug 2017 23:26:53
And grujic isn't a defensive midfielder regardless of how many times people try and say he is because he's tall.

20 Aug 2017 00:04:48
Hendo was class today, you're off your rocker.

20 Aug 2017 00:37:23
I like Hendo but you're well wide of the mark there Ruthless, he needs to improve quickly.

20 Aug 2017 05:08:24
Hendo is not himself but he's barely played for 6 months he was never going to just fit straight back in.

20 Aug 2017 05:58:48
I strongly disagree, thought he was good in the little transitions, few quality balls over the top and a couple of good tackles as well. if emre can played any of them passes you'd all be wet.

20 Aug 2017 07:49:10
Grujic is an attacking midfielder with a rocket of a right foot. because he's tall means absolutely nothing. I wonder if people actually watch games using their eyes or their mouths.

Also, Hendo is trying to get back to fitness and he is doing too much hence, not doing much. He should just simplify his game and allow the game to come to him instead of trying to force things. I love him and he is capt., as much as it hurts his detractors.

19 Aug 2017 21:43:05
Struggling to understand so many of these negative posts.
Have crystal palace not won their last 3 visits to anfield? Wasn't one of our biggest let down s last year we struggled to win ugly against park the bus teams? Isn't Henderson just coming back from a long term injury?
If we'd played 100 miles an hour football, bit failed to score would u be happier?
No it wasn't edge if seat football, no it wasn't Henderson's best game.
Yes we one, the players stayed focused organised and ground out a win against a team last season we lost at home to. We broke through a defensive team. Henderson showed he is in his way back from injury, we have players in the bench that male a change and players still to come back.
Not perfect, improvement needed. But I forgot still not good enough for most fans on here.
Grow up.

19 Aug 2017 22:36:59
I don't give a hoot how we win, just aslong as we do. Keep grinding out the victories.

19 Aug 2017 22:29:25
A win is a win lifelong. The table doesn't say 3 points but it wasn't great does it? I'm with you mate put the 3 points straight in the bag and on to Wednesday. Keep another clean sheet and we are in the Champions League.

19 Aug 2017 22:40:24
I agree mate cudnt believe how negative joey barton was about us on radio I know he's a blue but so biased, this was a big win for us due to there 3 past wins for them at anfield an even wid phil cout in team we cudnt beat them past 3 occasions, I would like too see firminio in att mid position an solanke or studge up front, firminio = workrate an attacking intent.

19 Aug 2017 22:51:22
Couldn't agree more! We can't keep a clean sheet. moan. Can't break down teams who park the bus. moan! Well we did both today so why the moan?
We won without playing well, something we struggled with last year.
The negativity is getting ridiculous at the moment. imagine what it'll be like when we get beat!

19 Aug 2017 22:53:55
Lifelong- it's the norm on here nowadays. Negativity is equated to "realism" and if you choose to see the positive then you got red tinted glasses on. Take for example today. 2 months of full on slating of Robertson before he joined. And yet the kid is doing well, and far better than expected. He will undoubtedly only improve. And the slaters are quiet and already moved on to their next victim (Henderson by the looks of it) . But your comment "grow up" is certainly very apt.

19 Aug 2017 23:45:38
5 changes to the team maybe some of them were with an eye on Wdnesday. Agree with Lifelongred too much negativity around a hard fought win.

19 Aug 2017 23:56:18
We spent last year moaning that we couldn't win ugly.

Today we win ugly and some are still moaning.

3 points and a clean sheet while rotating the squad for Hoffenheim.

Sturridge survived, new left back done well, as did Gomes in all fairness.

I'd take that as progress 2 games in.

20 Aug 2017 04:10:25
You should have seen the hyper critical bandwagon on the live chat it was a disgrace.

20 Aug 2017 07:55:37
Spot on, OP and Ra1969. The "fans" had their knives out for us to day and for Klopp BUT to their great disappointment, we won, kept a clean sheet, our back line smothered Benteke, Robbo had a very good game and we are 4th as of today. There is actually a lot to be disappointed about if you are a "fan" of LFC, rooting for us to fail so you can win some pathetic argument that only exist in the world that only you live in. But don't worry, these "fans" will be back as soon as we screw up ( cos we will) and there they will gratify us with their negativity I mean, realism.

19 Aug 2017 21:19:02
3 points and yet some people are moaning.
Arsenal lost and with whatever the results be with tottheham and Chelsea tomorrow and Monday's game these 3 points are very vital.

20 Aug 2017 07:56:34
Moaning is what moaners do, no matter the weather or circumstances.

19 Aug 2017 20:08:38
Our strongest 11 includes taa and Robertson in the wings, irnino, Salah and Mane uptop and midfield with two of henderson, can or gini.

19 Aug 2017 20:20:58
Why didn't TAA start today, was he injured?

19 Aug 2017 20:40:19
A break I would imagine, he's only 18 after all. Let's not try put too much pressure on him. Plus Gomez was probably deserved of a start.

20 Aug 2017 08:09:57
Adam, he's still a kid and can't play 3 games in a wow, buddy. It's not rocket science.

19 Aug 2017 19:56:20
Jayden23 cheers for your comment am just telling it as I see it I live the club but it ms about time we got our she*p together sorted things out once for all.

19 Aug 2017 20:09:47
No worries mate. Great bunch of guys on here. Everyone has different opinions some are positive some are not so. But we're all after that same end goal.

19 Aug 2017 22:11:38
To be the best.

19 Aug 2017 19:36:15
What a great midfield we have, between the 3 of them they mustered 1 key pass.

19 Aug 2017 20:12:08
Agree individually they all have their strengths but as soon as you put Wijnaldum, Can, Milner or Hendo in that midfield 3 without Coutinho or Lallana then they look like they bring nothing to the party.

19 Aug 2017 20:29:09
Defence is very poor how can you take a positive out of that is beyond me.

19 Aug 2017 21:59:23
Fowler always respect what you have to say but how can you take a negative out of a clean sheet? Defencively I mean. Matip was great, really excited by Robertson. Taa in midweek. I think for once (in 3 yrs) we have some real positives defencively. Watford our defence was piss poor but on other two matches and pre season I don't think they have been too bad.

19 Aug 2017 22:13:56
Its not necessarily the defence that's the problems, its the slow and heavy legs in front of them.

I am not convinced that any of Can, Henderson or Wijnaldum can get up and down that pitch quick enough.

20 Aug 2017 08:12:33
Only an LFC "fan" can see the negative side of keeping a clean sheet.

19 Aug 2017 19:26:41
All summer I have wanted us to sign naby keita just from what I read he seemed to be the player we need in the middle of the park, watching him tonite for 1st time and I have to say, he looks a bit shite, sort of glad we didn't get him now.

19 Aug 2017 19:50:44
Because his head has been turned by us.

19 Aug 2017 19:51:47
do you think his performance could have anythink to do that he wanted a move to Liverpool and his head is elsewhere. this is what worries me with coutinho if he stays will his head be right only an opinion.

19 Aug 2017 19:52:06
I'm not one to judge on a single game but he was very wasteful with the ball tonight but improved in the second half when playing deeper, he looked like a player who just couldn't be bothered at times which could be due to the unrest surrounding him (or the amount of time house hunting😂) .

After watching Leverkusen last night I'd prefer we went after Kampl. Breaks play up well by shielding centre backs and has great distribution of the ball both long and short.

19 Aug 2017 19:57:44
Clearly, you have never seen him play consistently, Roro. One game proves absolutely nothing.

19 Aug 2017 20:17:22
Redsteve

The only advantage we have with coutinho is that its a world cup year, so if he doesn't perform he ain't getting picked.

{Ed002's Note - It is of no relevance.}

19 Aug 2017 20:04:21
Yeah exactly, rather than think "I should really be tracking back here" he was thinking "granite or wooden worktops in my new fancy kitchen in my new fancy house in caldy? "

19 Aug 2017 20:58:54
So ed

If coutinho was to go on strike or sulk for the season, would you think he would still be a starter for brazil?

{Ed002's Note - There seems to be something wrong with people who make up entirely dumb questions. The World Cup has nothing whatsoever to do with the transfer of Coutinho. Whether you are grasping at staws that aren't there or not I don't know.}

19 Aug 2017 22:18:44
Great to see fans calling players linked to us on 1 game just hope they don't read these posts.

19 Aug 2017 19:17:58
Our attack really clicked together when Solanke came on. He led the line really well and looked dangerous. Early days but promising.

19 Aug 2017 19:58:50
He's only played 20 mins of PL footie. Give him time.

19 Aug 2017 18:26:12
I for one think if we sell coutinho, and sign VVD, keita and draxler, it wouldn't hurt so much and would count on a good transfer window, better if he stayed and we still signed VVD and keita but can't see them happening without the money from coutinho sale.

19 Aug 2017 18:39:08
KMAC, did you watch today's game or did you sleep through it? There is NOWAY on God's green earth that Cou is getting sold, not after watching us struggle to break down CP's double decker bus. If you think VVD and Keita will offer the creativity Cou offers then thank heavens you don't run our transfers at LFC.

19 Aug 2017 19:00:40
Why not? With the new TV deal we should be well able to sign them without selling, klopp keeps telling us we plenty of money for the right players, those players should be attainable with out selling.

19 Aug 2017 19:12:39
how can you say that coutinho will not be sold i hope he's not but nothing is certain not while the window is open. and we didn't struggle to break down Watford 3 goals or hoffemhiem 2 goals without coutinho and could of had more in both games. i would be a lot more worried if mane got another injury think we would miss him more.

19 Aug 2017 19:42:35
your deluded if you think we will get VVD, keita and draxler.

19 Aug 2017 20:06:43
Milner and Henderson together in midfield lacks creativity. Wijnaldum had an average performance as did Firmino, though the latter had a few flashes of brilliance. I actually thought we looked our best with Solanke Salah and Mane and I foresee Solanke getting his chances with us. He made a great decision leaving Chelsea when he did. Clean sheet three points a few debuts let's carry on and hopefully Coutinho will be available for our next premier league match!

19 Aug 2017 18:04:20
klopp has just said on radio Merseyside its not his desision weather coutinho is sold so the owners are going over the managers head because klopp has said coutinho is priceless and going nowhere. great debut by Robertson. am still a nervous wreck watching them at the moment specially every free kick an corner.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing whatsoever to do with the owners.}

19 Aug 2017 18:25:27
So Ed002's is it your opinion that the sale of players is solely down to JK then, because I have read JK saying that the owners have made their decision and he goes along with them, and if JK has just said on Radio that it is NOT his decision then according to you he's telling lies then.

{Ed002's Note - No, the club makes the decision about which players to buy and sell with input from Klopp. The owners are not football people, they are investors and therefore they do not handle the decisions for who to buy and sell. They are not based in this country, rarely even visit the country and have no direct involvement of the day-to-day running of the club. I remain constantly surprised how little many of the Liverpool fans know about how their club is run.}

19 Aug 2017 18:38:36
What do you think about that approach ed002? Is it a good idea for the owners to be involved so little? I felt like they would gradually work their way into more involvement as they learned more about the game. It is an interesting approach, one that has had its ups and downs.

{Ed002's Note - It is typical of many football clubs - would you want accountants deciding which players Liverpool should buy. The did not buy Liverpool in order to find out more about football.}

19 Aug 2017 18:38:50
So the club as in Klopp and? if the owners have no say.

{Ed002's Note - And the transfer committee. FSG, the owners, are simply an America investment company - nothing else.}

19 Aug 2017 18:45:29
Ed not just the fans but a lot of media and pundits (quite a lot of them ex pros) must not know how the club is run as they have questioned Fsg's spending and transfer policy recently and in the past as well.

{Ed002's Note - So? Is this experts like Phil Thompson who knows so little about the game that he thinks Atletico can buy Diego Costa and loan him to Liverpool? And it is the football club's spending not FSGs. When Liverpool buy a player the money comes from Liverpool Football Club - not from an investment company in America.

Dumb as a box of rocks.}

19 Aug 2017 18:54:13
This might help.

Our owners know nothing about football.
This has been a fundamental problem for them and the club because they have no understanding of what is being described to them by the middle men they have employed since. The lag between results and actions has killed us.
They are though in good company because most of our supporters know nothing about football or running a football club either.

Which goes to show that you can watch something for decades and learn nothing except that you like winning, don't like losing and drawing is somewhere in between.

19 Aug 2017 18:56:52
So finally Ed002's who is on the transfer committee that would help or have a say in the transfers of players.

{Ed002's Note - Klipperty Klopp, Mike Gordon, Barry Hunter, Dave Fallows and Michael Edwards.}

19 Aug 2017 19:02:57
Ed not just the fans but a lot of media and pundits (quite a lot of them ex pros) must not know how the club is run as they have questioned Fsg's spending and transfer policy recently and in the past as well.

{Ed002's Note - Why are you sending in the same post more than once - are you looking to waste everyone's time?

19 Aug 2017 19:13:15
I think you will find as with any investment company before they go through any funding of future investment whether it be a football club or chain of supermarkets they will look at money in and money out and then decide if further funding is required FSG are not just an investment company that splashed the cash and sit there waiting to see if it was worth investing of course they decide ultimately if LFC need the money from the Coutinho sale add the end of the day some one has to pay for the new stand.

{Ed002's Note - I have really no idea what point you are trying to make.}

19 Aug 2017 19:15:11
Did Rodgers not go over to America to meet the owners? Or did the club hire him? Just curious.

{Ed002's Note - Your point being what?}

19 Aug 2017 19:17:20
Thanks Ed002's are we to assume that if the majority of that committee decide that a player goes, then he goes, even if JK is against that decision.

{Ed002's Note - We have done all of this to death in the past.}

19 Aug 2017 19:23:04
sorry for asking this ed-- but do m. city--m. united--chelsea- have football commitees? . becuase its seems to me if they want a player they just go an get them. cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester City has Txiki Begiristain as a Director of Football, Chelsea has Michael Emanalo and Manchester United have failed in their attepts to sign two different Directors of Football. They operate a different approach. They don't simply "just go out and get them" when recruiting players.}

19 Aug 2017 19:24:53
Apologies have no idea why it sent twice. These pundits are getting paid a healthy wage then to comment on stuff they apparently know nothing about. Cheers for the dumb as a box of frogs comment. I'll take that 👍.

19 Aug 2017 19:25:30
Ed02, I know what your saying, the owners are the guys who bought the club etc, and they hire the people they think best to run the club, and it will be these guys who with input from the manager decide on sales and purchases, they still released a statement last Friday week that coutinho would not be sold for any price, and would be here when the window shuts, I think this causes confusion as you say they don't be involved in the day to day matters.

{Ed002's Note - They are not involved in the day-to-day running of the club.}

19 Aug 2017 19:58:30
thanks for the reply on commitees ed.

19 Aug 2017 20:14:13
FSG DON'T SIGN PLAYERS NOR DECIDE WHO WE SIGN OR SELL. Clear enough for ya? SHEESH!

19 Aug 2017 20:10:23
The point being Ed002 is that you say that the owners sit in the states and apart from checking Forbes to see how much the club is worth, don't have any say in how the club is run, but to my knowledge they had an input in hiring managers which, in my opinion is quite a big input into any club.

{Ed002's Note - This is just a nonsense and you are making yourself look stupid. Where did I say "that the owners sit in the states and apart from checking Forbes to see how much the club is worth, don't have any say in how the club is run"? I didn't, you are simply embarrassing yourself.

The thread was regarding players.

And how many games a year do the owners attend?}

19 Aug 2017 20:31:43
Pundits and Klopp have no idea what they are talking about when they say it's the owners. As Bingored said in CAPITALS. They have nothing to do with transfers. They just tweet about them.

19 Aug 2017 17:51:58
Henderson is playing long balls.
Milner well he is did okay, but not the answer we are looking for.
Wjandalum is playing it safe and slow. he is the attacking mid but not creating or trying to score goals.

19 Aug 2017 18:44:22
Milner should never play in CM ever again. He is just crap there cos he can't pass, can't tackle and is lazy. Tells you a lot about the thought process of signing such a player to begin with even tho, I give him credit for deputizing at LB last season.

19 Aug 2017 19:03:06
Milner Lazy Bingo? He may be many things but lazy isn't one!

19 Aug 2017 20:16:18
He is lazy in midfield as he does not track runners, flies into challenges cos he is out of position and would rather foul a player than make the effort to contain him. That is what I mean by laziness in midfield.

19 Aug 2017 21:51:53
That is not lazy that is ill disciplined.

19 Aug 2017 17:34:58
The boys proved what a fantastic bit of business Robertson and Solanke were. 11/ 12 mil looked like 50 mils worth today. Brilliant.

19 Aug 2017 18:00:31
Both looked very good but i think you are jumping the gun a little.

19 Aug 2017 18:01:14
Andrew Robertson's Liverpool debut by numbers:

87% pass accuracy
10 crosses
3 chances created

Spent 70.3% of his time in Palace's half.

19 Aug 2017 18:27:05
Didn Get to see the match, can anybody give an update on how Gomes did?

19 Aug 2017 18:47:19
Niallo, Gomez was outstanding and so was Robbo. They both did an awesome job especially defensively. Shout out to Klavan as well for standing his ground vs Benteke, who thought he could bully him ( Matip gave no inch either) but did not get a sniff. The whole back line deserve credit, really. they stepped up to be counted today.

19 Aug 2017 18:48:07
Didn't have much to do defensively, did well a couple of times in duels with benteke (not an easy task) and looked really composed on the ball. He's a good athlete and I would like to see him given a go in the middle.

19 Aug 2017 18:48:37
I don't think 25 mil each in today's market is that crazy. Maybe a little high but you get my point.

19 Aug 2017 18:52:53
Watford won 0-2 at Bournemouth and he kept a clean sheet.

19 Aug 2017 19:19:13
Robertson impressed on debut but so did Moreno.
I wouldn't jump the gun and conclude "LB problem solved"yet.

19 Aug 2017 20:05:45
Gomez started nervously but really grew into the game.

19 Aug 2017 17:12:03
Decent performance from the team today nothing great though. Robertson had a great game! Great to see a left back that can defend as well as get forward well. Klavan actually looked more solid than Lovern at the back, I thought Matip and Klavan actually defended ok at times today but didn't get tested from set pieces too much. Gomez did ok at right back.

Any chance of a forward pass from Henderson, Milner or Wijnaldum? This midfield just seems to slow the play down so much and they all constantly play passes side to side or backwards. I hope we sign a midfielder who can play intelligent forward passes, especially if Coutinho ends up at Barca.

Firmino was a little sloppy at times with his passing but had some decent attempts and gave 100% as always. Mane again played well, was his usual self, trying to run at defenders. Sturridge did ok, still seems to me like he's holding back a little.

Ok performance but a good 3 points against a team we've struggle against in recent times.

What did you guys think?

19 Aug 2017 17:16:02
I think that's a quite good review. Robertson played very well but to be fair palace where very poor.

19 Aug 2017 17:22:43
Henderson was tried a few balls in behind in the first 30 minutes, he stopped when it didn't really come off.

19 Aug 2017 17:32:57
Everything looks good but klavan or lovren are not good enough. we definitely need a defender. I liked how the team was setup towards the end of the match. replace gomez with arnold and klavan with a new signing and we will be great in every area.

Sell continho, he doesn't want to be here. firmino can easily play in midfield. We need a player like solanke up top as firmino gets out muscled way too much.

19 Aug 2017 17:40:36
Coutinho should be kept at all costs, that proved it today, not a forward pass between that midfield 3, abs desperate, even the crown were moaning at times.

19 Aug 2017 17:42:54
The midfield was terrible, a better team would have battered us. But Solanke was a good outlet and Robertson was light years ahead of Moreno. Finnan mk2?

19 Aug 2017 18:58:18
It was a good performance, overall judging by the circumstances and knowing that both our creative sparks lallana and Cou would not be playing. I expected a workman-like performance in midfield and we got that today. Expecting Hendo, Wij and Milner (who should be nowhere near the CM ever) to play in creative balls in behind, is just lunacy so that part was no surprise.

What did surprise me was Robbo and Gomez and their individual performance. Thye were both outstanding and were solid defensively too esp. when they were isolated vs Dross Townsend and Benteke. I also want to give mad props to Klavan today. he was outstanding as well and more than held his own vs Benteke and one a lot of his headers vs him. Solid performance. clean sheet, 3 points so what is there to complain about? NOTHING. On to the Hoff on Wed to finish, the job.

19 Aug 2017 17:05:47
Instead of people complaining about us not signing our long term targets, please offer your insights as to who we should sign as alternatives, assuming we can't get Van Dijk and Naby.
Let's assume Coutinho is made to stay, please fire off your realistic signings for CB, DM/ CM and any other position you feel needs strengthening with the fee you expect to have to pay also.
C'mon all you manager wannabes.

19 Aug 2017 17:13:52
You happy with the current squad then Olrish.

19 Aug 2017 17:28:21
I don't watch nearly enough football outside of LFC and Ireland to give an answer on this, tbh. Also I think a lot our problems in the past season have been down to concentration, mentality and lack of leadership rather than lack of ability.

It's kind of hard to scout what sort of mental toughness a player has unless you watch him for 10+ straight matches or so. Benedikt Howedes looks decent, for example, but I haven't watched him enough to know whether he'll be like Lovren and switch off when the opposition attacker isn't right in his face.

19 Aug 2017 18:30:28
I think Henderson is a great player but when he is the pick for the armband, it really shows what a lack of leadership there is in the squad.

Howedes is a great shout. I'd personally try to rival City for Johnny Evans. I know he played for United but that doesn't seem to bother him if he's considering a move to their Manchester rivals. He's a great defender and leader.

19 Aug 2017 19:23:00
I'm not convinced by the current squad no but I'm going to trust the manager.
Personally think we need a CB, DM and AM/ ST.
I'd go for Evans too yes, Sami Kheidera even though he's very injury prone for his experience and fire a few million at Leicester for Vardy if we can get a couple of good seasons from him, even at 30.
If Coutinho goes, I'd love us to go for Roberto from Barcelona.

20 Aug 2017 01:04:04
I will throw a few in from left field so to speak. As an alternative to NK I would go for Bart Ramselaar from PSV not sure how much maybe 15-20m and can also cover as a winger and as an alternative to VVD I would say Kostas Manolas from Roma is certainly the type of player we could do with. I would also like Diego Godin but not a hope in hell of getting him :)

20 Aug 2017 03:25:09
Fair play mate, never heard of Bart Ramselaar before I must admit.

19 Aug 2017 16:55:44
A win and 3 pts not vintage but take that all day, Robertson and Gomez played well as did Maltip but we still lack any creativity in midfield how imperative it is to keep Couts as Milner Wilajdum and Henderson are as slow as a wet week and choke any speed and tenacity out of our attacks.

19 Aug 2017 16:07:19
Solanke should come on. Clever, full of movement and can score.

19 Aug 2017 16:30:54
Are you Klopp in disguise?

19 Aug 2017 15:44:33
Dare i say it we missing pipco in our team.

19 Aug 2017 15:57:48
We're missing something from central midfield that Coutinho could provide if he was playing there. Lallana might do if he were fit either, but Coutinho would make a big difference.

19 Aug 2017 15:16:57
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19 Aug 2017 15:21:43
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19 Aug 2017 15:31:14
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19 Aug 2017 14:33:49
United look decent, but the two teams they played just fell apart near the end to be fair.
Was watching the match on a foreign sports network and saw one of the studio experts was Craig Forrest who was linked with Liverpool at one point in the 90's, my word has he aged quickly!
Makes me feel old 😆.

19 Aug 2017 15:04:32
United look decent? They've humped two teams 4-0 and we've struggled in both our games. Poor preparation for this season has basically consigned us to finishing out of top four and no trophies again.

19 Aug 2017 16:01:56
Wow. you must have psychic powers. That you Derek Acorah?
Struggled in both our games?
We've only played one game in the league mate, won in a play-off match as well against a team who hasn't lost at home for almost a year and a half.
Are you yanking chains?
United have beaten two very poor teams 4 nil. wow!
Remember we beat West Ham 4 nil away last season near the end of the season.
Get a grip pal.

19 Aug 2017 13:51:11
Ed001 mate, if Barcelonas bid for Coutinho was actually 80m staggered over 5 years with 36m in add ons (I know the details are tedious), can you see that just angering the club and making us more determined to keep him? I thought it was a bit insulting to be fair, considering they've got 200m upfront for neymar.

{Ed001's Note - not sure why it would do that? It is just business. They are trying to get the best deal they possibly can.}

19 Aug 2017 14:39:03
Well tbh Ed if I had a car worth 130k I didn't want to sell, and someone offered me 80k for it after I told them I didn't want to sell, I'd probably tell them to do one, perhaps with a slightly different combination of words.

{Ed001's Note - but would your business involve any kind of car dealing?}

19 Aug 2017 13:29:43
Seems we now have the Nobel Prize-winning pundit Jermaine Jenas telling us the club is damaging itself over PC. Shame he didn't actually bother to read what the offer actually was before wading in. Pundits huh? Who needs them?

19 Aug 2017 13:37:05
Surprised he didn't get injured while saying that.

19 Aug 2017 13:43:39
I wish Jenas would rubbish up.

Totally irrelevant opinion. Comparing PC to Berbatov somehow is laughable - the two are compeltly unrelated!

Funny how he's not saying the same thing about Danny Rose. I wonder if he'd say his precious Spurs are "damaging themselves" of this was Alli we were talking about.

19 Aug 2017 13:48:00
The bloke is a moron.

19 Aug 2017 12:48:57
Regarding buy out clauses is the buy out to be paid in full or can it be paid in instalments.

{Ed002's Note - Buy out clauses are incredibly rare and the players would not normally have the money to pay them, so therefore nothing happens with them.}

19 Aug 2017 13:42:44
People seem to get confused between buyout clauses and minimum fee release clauses, both of which are incredibly rare and waaayyyyy over the value of the player.

19 Aug 2017 12:25:46
Come on lads. Let's get the business done today with a great performance in front of your home fans and 3 pts.
YNWA.

19 Aug 2017 12:24:50
Seriously
If coutinho wants out
Sell him
I don't care if it makes us a slightly worse team
Would rather play with committed players than sulky little superstars who don't get their own way
Get what we can for the brat and move on as we have had to soooo many times before
No ones bigger than Liverpool FC
NO ONE!

19 Aug 2017 12:35:24
To be fair to Coutinho, he hasn't been sulking. He didn't moan to the press or whine about being held back. It's not as though he refused to train or play for the team. Give him the benefit of the doubt for his back injury.

19 Aug 2017 12:39:27
No just hid behind d skirts of family to do his moaning for him.

19 Aug 2017 12:53:03
Read between the lines sibsama.
His "injury" happened when, just as Barcelona began bidding.
He uses a "family member" to criticise both the manager and the club on the same day he hands in a transfer request.
It's clear as day that he is sitting right and likely sulking right now due to yesterday's events but once they hit the magic number on the last day of the window we'll have to accept.

19 Aug 2017 14:47:28
Everyone moans about the club always selling its best players and we won't win anything with that attitude etc, then when we stand firm and say we won't sell our best player and want to build a team around him, people still moan. Can't please some people I guess.

19 Aug 2017 11:53:04
I love what Bayern Munich have come out and said about Barcelona.

{Ed001's Note - which is?}

19 Aug 2017 12:12:09
If you referring to the 'lowest class' comments we have no room to speak after our actions towards VVD and the stoke kid.

19 Aug 2017 12:12:50
Hoeness saying he has no respect for Barcelona and they lack class.

19 Aug 2017 12:23:58
Hoeness is Boss!

19 Aug 2017 12:31:32
Onceandalwaysared, get off your high horse.

Also, I find Barcelonas actions irrelevant, as it is the player who wants the move.

The sooner that people understand that then the sooner we can get the deal done, especially as potentially it is the second biggest transfer fee paid for a player.

He is boss, but that good?

Negotiate a bit nore for a heftier fee up front, and take it!

19 Aug 2017 12:54:01
Davey, it’s the whole "we are very close to signing such an such" and planning announcement which are making people lose respect for them. They haven't done anything wrong in regards to actually trying to buy him except jumping the high horse saying they are close.
We can’t really complain about anything with the way we go about transfers lol.

19 Aug 2017 13:14:53
Well said davey fed up of people on here saying stuff about VVD. Barcelona do it all the time and get away with it just because they are BARCELONA they think they can get anyone they like.

19 Aug 2017 13:22:52
Davey no high horse here mate, just saying we should stop looking at other clubs misdemeanours when our house isn't in order.

I still think couts will leave personally but only if we get a replacement.

19 Aug 2017 13:24:49
Although they don't appear to have done anything wrong regarding them trying to sign coutinho I think they have been quite dodgy for a number of years, so they kind of deserve the bad rep.

19 Aug 2017 11:41:37
Eds why don't we put buy out clauses in player contracts like the Spanish do? like if there was one in coutinos for £200m would that not stop teams coming in with silly offers for £80m? What way does all that work?

{Ed001's Note - because they are not legally enforcable here.}

19 Aug 2017 12:28:36
The purpose of buy out clauses wasn't originally to dissuade bids, it was because legally a player was allowed buy out his contract over there long before it was generally a thing in football.

Rather than let the buy out cost be decided at a tribunal, the clubs started stating why the buy-out fee into the contracts. That's why, through financial trickery, Neymar paid the money to Barcelona himself, rather than it coming directly from PSG.

Most of them are pitched far above what the club actually value the players at. Neymar's being activated was an abberation.

19 Aug 2017 11:00:04
Just read this somewhere on Twitter and I hope the Eds (especially Ed025) let this one past coz its hilarious:

"We should offer 300 million euros for Messi. 80 million euros upfront and 220 million euros when Everton win the Champions League. "

19 Aug 2017 11:18:28
I'd probably go with 220 million if Everton qualify for the champions league. Safe money 😂.

19 Aug 2017 10:32:16
Ed001 straight question what is the point of holding on to a player if he want's to go?

{Ed001's Note - because he makes the team better.}

19 Aug 2017 10:50:41
OP, What is the point in accepting a pathetic, low-balling offer for a very important player that makes you better esp. when you don't need to sell nor need the money and there are no ready replacements in sight?

19 Aug 2017 10:54:56
He absolutely makes the team better. Best playmaker in Europe.

19 Aug 2017 11:04:45
What is the point of knuckling down to the Barcelona mafia and becoming their feeder club?
Are u a closet Barcelona fan by any chance?

19 Aug 2017 11:19:09
It's just I always felt it was best to let a player go if he doesn't want to play for the club get the best price you can for him and move on. Yes I perfectly understated that Couthino wound be a massive loss but what if he spit's the dummy and becomes a disruption in the dressing room? Although I really don't believe he is that type of person.

19 Aug 2017 11:25:45
He came back from injury last season and it took him 6 wks to start playing well. If he starts the same after his recent back injury, some fans are going to rip him and say he's not putting it all in.
I just think the best option is to let him leave.

19 Aug 2017 11:29:27
No closet saints fan.

19 Aug 2017 11:30:50
There is a valid point about an unhappy player disrupting the dressing room, Barry, and keeping one is always some degree of a gamble. Maybe if this had happened earlier in the window and Barcelona's offer wasn't so spread out over time with performances bonuses, we might have let him go.

But with the offer they're making and it being so late in the window, the club know that it'll be hard to strengthen the team with the income we get for selling Coutinho. Any club we want to buy from will know we're under pressure and will hold out for more money in an already silly transfer window. On the other hand it's a World Cup year, and PipCo signed a 5 year deal 6 months ago. If he's still here on September 2nd, he basically has no choice but to knuckle down and play whether he's particularly happy about it or not. So for me, it's far better for us to stand our ground and refuse to sell at this stage.

If they offered a straight £130m+ up front, then it might be another conversation.

19 Aug 2017 11:55:14
if I was coutinho I'd be pissed at Barcelona for ****ing about. doesn't seem they're so desperate for him with the pathetic bids they're making.

19 Aug 2017 12:01:02
Also Barcelona's approach reminds me of when we got £30m up front for Alonso and then paid Roma for Aquilani over 5 years, and part of his fee was written off against the last couple of installments owed on Riise.

At least we had the excuse of being flat broke and owned by literal cowboys.

19 Aug 2017 12:43:27
I totally agree about the structure of the fee it is BS to be honest.

19 Aug 2017 10:24:01
Any team news anyone.

19 Aug 2017 10:57:01
Wouldn't be surprised if TAA didn't start today. We have 3 games in the next week and Klopp said he won't start TAA for all of them as he thinks its too harsh for an 18 yr old. Maybe Gomez will start this one.

also got fingers crossed for a Solanke start.

19 Aug 2017 09:50:09
Eds001 i really wish klopp would give sakho a chance sadly he won't you too would like to see him?

{Ed001's Note - no, he is a moron who should go. If he is not going to behave like an adult and treat the club with respect then he is not welcome.}

19 Aug 2017 10:01:47
Ed1, what did he actually do wrong?

{Ed001's Note - it is not one thing mate, it is a constant poor attitude, failing to turn up on time, not being where he should etc. He has just been a complete pain in the rectum since we signed him. However, it was well known he was a pain to deal with, so I have to question why the scouts and transfer committee brought him in.}

19 Aug 2017 10:10:49
I agree eds no player is bigger than the club. Is Coutinho now in that bracket. I don't really care that he has put in a transfer request and wants to go, but if there is truth in the fake injury and him saying he won't play again for the club then that shows a lack of respect for the club, his teammates and most importantly the fans who idolised and supported him from day 1.

19 Aug 2017 10:14:27
To add to that Ed, the guy is a complete flake as he takes responsibility for anything he does or has done which is why PSG sent him packing as well. Continuously flouting the manager's orders YET going on twitter to say, "I did nothing wrong" or "who has never been late for a training session or meeting", tells you the character and moral compass of the person you are dealing with. I don't care if we concede 70 goals this season. Sahko should never play for LFC again, end of.

19 Aug 2017 10:18:27
Ed001, do you think it shows a lack of man management from Klopp? There are stories about how Fergie would give players like Cantona different treatment to get the best out of them.

Surely a managers job is to get the best out of what he has? Sometimes you get difficult people that have to be managed differently. People who try less but still do a better job than others. Or people who are late but still get more work done. It is universal across all industries, and the best managers get the best out of their work force.

I have no inside knowledge on the situation to be fair, so I'm just putting the question to you really.

{Ed001's Note - no, Cantona worked hard in training and stayed behind to do extra training. Fergie gave him leeway because he could be trusted. Sakho just wants to doss around having a laugh.}

19 Aug 2017 10:28:09
If he didn't have a problem he would still be at PSG.

19 Aug 2017 10:43:47
Imagine we did have VVD signed now and Sakho was behaving. I know we'd have to sell but those two could be a very good pairing.

{Ed001's Note - they both play on the left of defence.}

19 Aug 2017 10:47:48
In fairness Cantona was a c**t but he was a leader and a match winner. Sakho is neither those.

19 Aug 2017 10:53:41
Sure, blame Klopp for Sahko's shortcomings cos hey, he is the seond coming of Paulo Maldini. Frankly, The Sahko love-in is becoming boring and tedious now.

19 Aug 2017 11:00:52
Hes probably been advised to do and say these things by the same genius who advised him last year to sign a long contract with no get out clause!

It doesn't make sense, as everybody knew for years that he would only leave us for Barca. So why not have it covered in the contract just in case?

Anyway, the club should let him go as what's tbe point in forcinv him to stay while at the same hoping to sign players who have similar contracts with other clubs.

19 Aug 2017 11:08:49
Lfcder why let him go for the equivalent of three magic beans though? £80m over five years? Unacceptable. The add ons aren't even worth discussing because they are so intangible. What were they smoking?

19 Aug 2017 11:14:08
Bingo wind your neck in lad, it was a question. I actually don't think Sakho is as good as some believe. He is better than Lovren and Klavan but that isn't anything to tell your grandchildren about.

Thanks for the insight Ed001. So basically Sakho doesn't put in the effort for Klopp to look past his issues. Understandable i guess. It is a shame how Sakho behaves though because he is a decent player. He could perhaps be even better with the correct attitude.

Ed001, do you think Sakho getting given too much too young at PSG made him into the monster we see today? He was earning a fortune by 19, and had already captained them. Perhaps he thought he'd made it and lost sight of how to succeed in the game?

Sorry for the questions, just fancy something different to talk about 😂.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, he lost the drive, imo. It happens, they think they have made it and slack in training, that was why Cantona was so important at United. The class of 92 all worked with him and were inspired by him to work harder. It was working with him that made Beckham spend so much time practising his free kicks. Sakho never had that influence alongside him when he broke through.}

19 Aug 2017 11:26:10
I should have included that about what side they play. Also, the money they're earning that shouldn't matter should be comfortable either side. Although with Sakho it's hard to tell, he looks awkward passing with both feet.

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't work like that, it is two different positions.}

19 Aug 2017 11:32:34
Sorry Mr Denis, I should have made my post clearer,

I meant to say that if the clubs interests have bee looked after and the payment structure is identical to the terms that we ask of other clubs when we sign players. Then the club should let him go.

20 Aug 2017 00:11:12
Cantona was good at Karate as well, He was a thug, and should have been jailed for assault.
Some role model.

19 Aug 2017 09:35:23
Morning Big vvd. Sun up yet?!

19 Aug 2017 09:30:12
Dear Ed001,

Do you think if we sign Naby Keita it will make up the potential departure of Emre Can on a free next year?

Or would you rather no Naby and a new Emre contract?

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea as I have not seen Keita play.}

19 Aug 2017 10:27:31
I actually don't know anyone who has watched Keita play Ed001 (youtube clips do not count) .

19 Aug 2017 10:40:17
I have to admit, i watched Keita first game of the season and he is very good 😂

Still don't like what he did in training (though i probably over reacted at the time and he has showed a bit of class by playing games still during this saga instead of feigning a back injury) but he is different to anything we have.

He plays a bit like Ilkay Gundogan or Moussa Dembele. He looks to collect the ball from the defensive players and carry it forward at every opportunity to get a quick attack going, but he can muck in defensively too. Once he moves the ball on though, he doesn't stop, he carries on into the box to try and get a goal which sets him apart from the likes of IK and MD who tend to move it on and sit just behind their attack to offer an out ball. His natural game is basically exactly what Klopp has tried to get Emre Can to do. To be fair to Can, he hasn't been bad at it.

I thought Keita was more of a Lallana type from his highlight reels, but he has a bit more guile to his game. Nowhere near a £70m player, but that is the market. I do think he is the perfect foil for Henderson as he is very reserved and Keita is a bit more gung ho.

It would definitely be a finger in the air to Emre Can though. His Anfield career would be finished unless he could wrestle the holding role off of Hendo.

19 Aug 2017 10:56:13
Can will still get his chances in the #6 role regardless of if Keita comes or not., MK.

19 Aug 2017 11:16:29
Why would he want to play centre back? You are joking right?

19 Aug 2017 11:18:28
Great post bingo, but that wrestling match for Can and Hendo should be happening for every position on the team.
Thats how a squad improves with the end result being better results in matches.
How long have we seen the Englsh national team nearly pick itself wkth the uber elite sure to be playing regardless of form.

Its self defeating in the long run.

19 Aug 2017 12:07:49
I hope that's true MK! Big fan of Dembele!

19 Aug 2017 08:57:55
What's today's predictions. I'm going for a 2-1 win. Think we may see a few changes to the starting lineup from opening 2 games with Hoffenheim on wed.

19 Aug 2017 10:33:03
It's going to be a thumping win today. 6-1 to LFC 🏆.

19 Aug 2017 10:37:41
4-2 win. For some reason I suspect we are going to field the exact same lineup.

Liverpool goalscorers: Firmino x2, Mane, Sturridge (off the bench to score)

Crystal Palace goalscorer: Benteke x2.

19 Aug 2017 07:45:41
Just voicing a thought.

I really do hope the club let PipCo go. That doesn't mean I don't want him to say, great player who causes teams all kinds of problems, especially by taking up 2 or 3 opposition players.

Not all moves are about wages/ money - nor are all players always about money.

As an Ed said the other day, we were a club with respect for players, as well as being respected - because we let players come, and go, if a special move was on the table.

This is one of them, and I hope the club are just doing as most do with an insurance claim and holding out for the third offer.

Me, personally - I took the 2nd offer from an insurance company recently. Didn't think they'd make a third!

Fingers crossed for player and club.

All the best PipCo - thanks!

19 Aug 2017 08:05:47
You are comparing an insurance company to a football club?
The only thing those two have got in common is they are a business, nothing more.
Sell Coutinho for less than what he is worth to us, and we will be selling players on the cheap for years to come. I applaud FSG for standing up to the Spanish mafia and telling them to do one. The owners have made sure this Coutinho saga is not a precedent to LFC being bullied by the money bags (self proclaimed in Barca's case) when they want our players. And its a message to our players not to act like spoilt brats when offers come in for them. They will be sold as and when the club decides, not their agents or wives.

19 Aug 2017 08:14:34
I know someone that got seriously mugged off when he sold his house too cheaply, the estate agent badly advised him to put his house on the market for a price quite substantially below what it was worth.

I have no sympathy here for Couthino, he could have informed the club back in January that he wanted to leave, not three weeks before the transfer window shuts.

If Pogba was sold for £90m last season. You get my point right?

19 Aug 2017 08:21:34
Kin right on Indian.

19 Aug 2017 08:28:07
What top players have we not let go? Suarez?, Torres? Mascherano? Maybe there is a lack of respect from players? A club that gave these players the stage to show what they can do, to reach the top level in football. Tell me how many of the very best players have Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and City sold over the years that the club really wanted to keep?

19 Aug 2017 08:32:38
OP, what are you talking about. Football may be a business but it is certainly not comparable to insurance. I don't care about us being a club that respects players. We respect our commitment to players' contracts. it is up to them to respect their side of it on the pitch and off the pitch with their conduct. That is it.

Cou is our player on a new 5 year deal signed 6 months ago and now he wants to jump ship. So we should just sell him cos he is unhappy and will sulk (which is bollocks cos he can't as it is a WC year)? You are very unfamiliar with American sports team owners, then. FSG have said he won't be sold and he can dig his heels in till he's blue in the face. Suarez did 10 times worse and FSG did not sell cos American sports teams' owners will not bullied by a player who's wages they are paying. I'm an American and I should know.

We need him and he knows it. We don't need to sell as we don't need the money esp. with the pathetic breakdown of the payments and add-ons I read somewhere (if that is true) . They are the ones disrespecting us with their offer if that is true.

19 Aug 2017 09:09:10
Indian Buzzer for Club Ambassador.

19 Aug 2017 09:35:28
Contracts mean nothing to players just protection till something better comes along . I would personally ring Barcelona and say 120 million and you can have him . He s let everyone down no way back for me.

19 Aug 2017 09:37:15
Bet you wish you hadn't posted that ridiculous post now mate. Jeez some people.

19 Aug 2017 09:44:19
Dude don't come on commenting about contries im sure your contry has messi and ronaldo fan boys.

19 Aug 2017 09:55:11
I think you are all missing the point here. Coutinho can go when Barcelona come up with the right money. None of these BS add ons, £120 million up front, one payment, no installments, end of.

19 Aug 2017 09:55:38
I still wonder how Barcelona can afford anything if the media are right about the huge debts they live in, even after getting £200mil.
The offer if reported correctly is not enough, they are desperate after being embarrassed in the Spanish super Cup - hold them to random, cough up hard cash or no deal. Hopefully Coutinho can see that too.
Well done to the club for standing firm and sorry Phil, maybe next year! Remember the World Cup!

{Ed001's Note - because they have no need to pay back the debts, no bank in Spain is going to recall a Barca or Real Madrid debt and alienate the fans.}

19 Aug 2017 09:58:04
United let Beckham and Ronaldo go. Chelsea let Cech and Matic go. Arsenal let Cole, Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, RVP etc go. Spurs have sold Bale, Modric, Walker, Keane, Berbatov. City are the only top club i can think of who haven't lost one of their best players in the last 10 years. Although perhaps they have, and just splashed the cash to get a better player so it went I noticed.

19 Aug 2017 10:52:22
MK, you are missing the point here. Majority of those players left the club when the club said they could leave and NOT the other way around so let me refresh your memory here cos we were all there. .

Modric wanted to go to Chelsea and Harry said no, end of story. He only left for RM the season after. Berba, Ronaldo, Keane, Becks all went when Fergie said so, none of them forced a move. Poch let Walker go cos he felt he was not doing the job anymore hence, refused to extend his contract. Arsenal are a perennial selling club, a feeder team to City as all their players left to win things elsewhere as Arsenal till this day bar 3 FA Cups, are a joke. Cech was let go as he would not sit on the bench one more season which is normal.

19 Aug 2017 01:23:12
Hey eds. Thomo today mentioned Dele Alli amongst others as hypothetical replacements for coutinho.

Staying hypothetical here, if we did receive £120mill + for Phil what would be the chances of Tottenham taking that for Dele?

Its probably the only scenario where i'd be satisfied by a phil exit!

{Ed001's Note - about the same as me winning the lottery this weekend. Levy would want more than that.}

19 Aug 2017 05:32:51
Levy would want 150 million pounds plus add ons. Basically telling us to go f**k ourselves.

19 Aug 2017 07:46:38
We should've just paid him the wages he wanted and offered game time and we could've had him for £5million a few years ago.

{Ed001's Note - or made sure Gerrard was awake when the lad was coming in to be shown around by Stevie G. He was supposed to be meeting his idol and having a look round with a view to signing, he came in and Gerrard was asleep so it never happened and he went and looked round Spurs after and signed for them. If Gerrard had been awake, the lad would never have even looked anywhere else, but it must have felt like a huge slap in chops for him that Gerrard couldn't even be bothered to be awake for the appointment they had made.}

19 Aug 2017 08:42:32
I'm pretty sure the reason wasn't Stevie G being asleep. Ian Ayer recently said Alli wanted to sign but LFC felt that £5m was too much for an unproven young player at that time.

{Ed001's Note - Alli himself said about Gerrard being asleep when he visited was why he never signed when he was shown around. Ayre doesn't know his arse from his elbow.}

19 Aug 2017 08:44:13
Not bothered really Ed, as we had the "Genius" BR in charge at the time and would prolly have played him at DM or RWB, just like he messed about with Can, Markovic and Lallana.

19 Aug 2017 09:24:40
Anybody else feel let down by Gerrard there?
I can't lie, that's actually guttering.
They always say, never meet your idol.

{Ed001's Note - partly Gerrard, but partly why the hell did no one think to wake him ready? They knew the lad was coming in, it was all agreed with MK Dons, hence his visit, why was someone not giving Gerrard an alarm call to ask him to be there?}

19 Aug 2017 09:28:02
Cardiff Red, the club was hardly going to come out and say a club legend was fast asleep when Dele Ali showed up at Melwood to be shown around. Alli is a LFC fan and would have made some compromises to make LFC his ultimate priority. Maybe he did not feel valued enough when the club failed to show him around and hence chose Spurs who actually have a recent history of grooming young players.

{Ed001's Note - the deal was all agreed, so no idea why Ayre has to gob off anyway. Alli was having a look round with a view to signing, MK Dons and Karl Robinson (who was in charge at the time) have both confirmed they had a deal with Liverpool agreed, only for Spurs to step in when he didn't sign it immediately.}

19 Aug 2017 09:30:55
If we'd have signed him he'd still be on loan to Barnsley!

19 Aug 2017 09:47:57
Dude i accept stevie g is a great servant from club but he is not a god neither is anyone. the mlst important thing is the club nothing is mlre important than the club. and if he gave a word he should keep it. that's y i feel ronaldo is better in this dept. he respects the fans. that they are nothing without them. otherwise they would be messi who has world of talent but doesn't give a rubbish about his fans.

19 Aug 2017 09:51:39
Defo make that man a club coach then.

19 Aug 2017 09:55:40
Should have pushed the boat out for the kid and had Gerrard there. but if he's as big a fan of the club as people say he still would have signed. jesus i would sign if Stevie was in bed with my Mrs.

{Ed001's Note - you aren't a professional player thinking about your career though. It is easy to say that when you are a fan who has no chance of playing professionally, but totally different when it is your career and livelihood. Your future depends on the decision. When one club pushes out all the stops, arranges a loan back to ensure you can leave on good terms with your current club, promises you will get in the first team the following season so long as you play well, while the other talks about reserve team football and can't even be bothered to get the club captain out of bed to meet you, which would you choose?}

19 Aug 2017 09:59:30
Can you imagine SAF letting his players or staff get away with that nonsense? He would have sent people round to drag him out of bed!

19 Aug 2017 11:37:37
Adam, SAF did do that and that is how Aaron Ramsey of Arsenal got away as Arsenal was also interested in him when he was at Cardif as a 17 yr old. SAF was supposed to tour OT with Ramsey in the summer of 2008 but instead, sent Gary Neville to tour OT with Ramsey. Where has Ramsey been playing since 2008?