Liverpool Banter Archive June 19 2015

 

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19 Jun 2015 22:26:19
Eds ,fellow reds , I know the season not started yet . But what do you think fsg minimum requirements are for this season coming . Top4 or a trophy .imo I can't see anything like that this year much like last year for me at best

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{Ed001's Note - top 4 will be the minimum.}

19 Jun 2015 23:19:29
If they had any requirements, BR wouldn't still be the manager. Expecting the team to get top 4 with BR, his squad, our current (lack of) atractivity and limited resources in the transfer market, is not a requirment, but a delusion. I will be really surprised if we will be less than at least 15 points from the top4 at the end of the season. And I think deep down the owners know it as well. Why they don;t do anything about it is the biggest mystery of this summer.

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19 Jun 2015 23:47:05
Spot on, Fano! They want top four yet they weaken and isolate him hence, setting him up to fail and now, they want top four. They must be smoking whatever it is that Henry thought was being smoked at the Emirates

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19 Jun 2015 23:24:33
Even without top purchasing ed? Seems a tad unfair on whoever is in charge . Do they know how it all works ?

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20 Jun 2015 00:23:33
Hard to see top 4 being realistically achievable, at this point to be fair, very if the right coaches were brought in including a new head coach and some nice acquisitions then I think in my opinion but I think as is the squad would have to move heaven, earth and then some to better the top four, though it largely depends on what they do and how they perform, unfortunately as much as I'd like to think if we handled ourselves we wouldn't have to worry.

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20 Jun 2015 07:23:43
I think we'll come 3rd next season.

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{Ed001's Note - I hope you are right.}

20 Jun 2015 08:10:49
Ron, serious question. Who do you think will weaken enough to allow us the opp to get there? Utd. Arsenal and city are all strengthening. All have settled managers( dire as I think van gaal is he will be better this year) and even Spurs have a good squad, manager and will most likely add just one or two key players. Last year was a good one to make top 4 but we ( BR) blew it.

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20 Jun 2015 09:27:02
You are living in a fantasy world Ron fuelled by blind faith. Can you tell us where the team has been improved and in what capacity has Rodgers changed? The same mistakes will be repeated by a manager (I use the term loosely) who's egocentric personality is the driving force, not the good of our club. The man is a danger to the mid to long term future of the club with the damage he is inflicting

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20 Jun 2015 09:33:43
So if top 4 is a stretch according to the majority of fans (think that's fair) then why was it right to expect it last season? We'd just lost our only world class player, Sturridge missed pretty much the entire season and a third of the squad were new and either getting used to life at a bigger English club or were new to the club, country and culture? And Man Utd recruited a hard nosed experienced coach and spent 150m net while we spent 20m net. Not to mention their signings were more experienced in general.

All the evidence suggests 5th is where we'll be. And if we finish 5th and sack Rodgers nothing will change. We will still be looking at 5th as being par only the gap will be a bit bigger between us and the top 4 (and increasingly so year on year)

Rodgers has at least beaten par in one of the two seasons he had a realistic chance of doing so (admittedly with lots of things in our favour although of course no Europe helped United last season)

On that basis I don't think it's that staggering that FSG decided to opt for continuity although this back room reshuffle looks to have some succession planning behind it.

Put it this way - I'll offer even money our next permanent manager is Dutch (Koeman or De Boer)

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20 Jun 2015 10:01:33
I'm with Ron on this - I think we've all written off our chances way too early. I agree that the team should have pushed on after finishing 2nd in 2013/2014 but it was always going to be difficult after selling Suarez (for an amount that NO team would have turned down). It also didn't help that we had the SG leaving situation, the extra pressure of being so close in the previous season or that RS decided to become such a prima donna. I think all those things just left us a bit 'drained' (for want of a better word).

If DS had been fit for even half of last season I reckon we'd have still been in contention for a top 4 spot on the final day but that wasn't to be unfortunately. I think we all know that our one massive mistake in the last window was not even attempting to sign a 15-20 goal striker and we do need to rectify that error quickly.

Anyone who thinks Utd are nailed on for a top 4 spot next season is sadly mistaken. Just because they throw money around like it was irrelevant (£60m for ADM, £20m+ plus for Rojo) still left them playing Wimbledon style football in desperation for the 2nd half of the season. Remember who their best player was last season and where he'll (probably) be next season - selling De Gea weakens them considerably and that will put them back in the 4 way fight with us, Arsenal and Spurs for positions 3 & 4 come next May.

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20 Jun 2015 10:40:58
We failed in a dismal league, yes it was going to be tough after Suarez but we threw 115 million at the issue. Losing sturridge is no excuse either- is there anybody in the football world that didn't know he's injury prone!?? Man utd scraped 4th on 70 points, 9 points less than what was required the previous year yet we were still another 8 points off them! 115 million spent. 22 points worse off than the prior year. Other than Milner none of our current signings would have a hope of starting in any of the top 5 that finished above us. Most of the players they are buying would walk into our first team. If BR stays I think another 6th placed finish is on the cards.

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20 Jun 2015 18:38:34
I'm not sure DS injury record would put him into the injury prone category, not if these stats are correct anyway. Looks like we (or England) have done the most damage to him.

Daniel Sturridge on transfermarkt
http://goo.gl/93CFLN

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19 Jun 2015 22:21:38
My earlier post was just a frustration at the negativity at the moment but I do admit that I agree with most things on here. Redneve - just want to add one more performance that hurt even more than the others. Villa in the cup, I know in the games you mentioned we got hammerd but that was the worst I've seen us play on such a big occasion. Anyway, I have learnt something positive about this club today. massive backtrack here but we do have the best fans in the world cause every single poster here cares, even if you do not agree with their opinion, it's all about the club we love.

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19 Jun 2015 22:59:09
Cyber group hug : )

Some of the greatest people to have lived, were those who believed in themselves when nobody else did.

Stuck to there Guns and moved forward 1 step at a time.

Granted there's also a fair few who died or went to prison haha.

Maybe Rodgers will suprise us all.

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19 Jun 2015 23:49:43
If a strong BR was a failure, I shudder to think what a lame duck manager, weakened by the owners, would do.

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20 Jun 2015 00:08:22
Please don't suggest that Rodgers should stick to his guns 65. That is one of the biggest issues our club has.

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19 Jun 2015 22:19:24
If it came down to choosing one of Kovacic or illaramendi who would you rather have?

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19 Jun 2015 23:50:33
Neither because we don't need them but if Allen were to leave, I would take Kovacic.

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20 Jun 2015 00:25:27
I'd go Illara as a specialist defensive mid. Even if Kovacic is perhaps the better player right now and capable of playing there, I still worry we lack a pure DM besides Lucas and I think Illara will come good.

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20 Jun 2015 09:13:57
Illara isn't a pure DM, he is a deep lying playmaker similar to Alonso, if you want a good DM look to Kimdogbia or Carvalho

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19 Jun 2015 22:01:03
To either of the Edz.

With Inter closing in on Imbula, and look to beat Milan on signing Kondogbia how will that effect us getting Kovacic is that a negative or a positive.

Thanks guys

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{Ed001's Note - it really is more about who they can sell.}

19 Jun 2015 22:06:19
How does everyone see the new coaching staff fitting in with Rodgers?
Obviously the old team were choices of Rodgers and have seen them referred to as yes men which to me means it's no help to us as BR clearly has his weaknesses that they solve.
Will the new guys conflict with Rodgers in a good way forcing him to see?
Or does Rodgers have too much power being manager and refuse to listen?
Interested to see how it works out

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19 Jun 2015 23:55:17
They should have fired them all instead of choking and firing lame duck assistants who were nothing but yes men. The owners have turned him into a lame duck manager awaiting the chop when he fails because that is what they have set him up for, our season would b lost. For what? what would that achieve? Absolutely nothing because they would b blamed because they were the ones that dithered on firing him.

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19 Jun 2015 20:03:40
Well done to Chelsea Norwich and hearts for agreeing to pay all full time employees the living wage. Lfc should be next but let's face it not going to happen

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19 Jun 2015 20:20:20
Jose Enrique wouldn't be affected by any change to our policy as he's one of our part-timers.

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19 Jun 2015 20:26:20
I'm sure most of the staff behind the scenes on minimum wage are working harder than most of the playing/coaching staff right now.
Get it sorted LFC, you should be first in the queue to treat your staff properly.

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19 Jun 2015 20:38:11
It's a shame they don't do the same for matchday staff

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19 Jun 2015 20:58:49
Why treat the staff probably when they've always treated us fans like dirt?

Liverpool Football club and the moral high ground thing doesn't quite work for me.

As well as giving the staff more they should recruit more too as the customer service department is a load of plums.

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{Ed001's Note - so it is ok to slag them off, yet you object to the obscenely overpaid manager being given stick? Hypocrite.}

19 Jun 2015 22:16:08
It's a real special skill you have Davey of constantly talking out your arse.

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20 Jun 2015 02:17:44
LOL, adam made me chuckle that one.

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20 Jun 2015 07:27:09
Everyone should be paid a living wage and the fact that LFC has lazy players on tens of thousands a week but can't pay all it's staff a living wage is a disgrace, as it is with all the other non-compliant clubs.
Shanks would not approve of the current situation.

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{Ed001's Note - I just wonder how these players can not be embarrassed by it myself. Especially someone like Gerrard, who was a local lad, earning well in excess of 100k a week, surely he must have been a little embarrassed when dealing with the staff at the training ground on minimum wage?}

20 Jun 2015 10:23:29
Obviously not embarrassed enough to do anything about it ed.
The players collectively could have put up the difference to pay them all a decent wage and it wouldn't have made a dent, I know a lot of the players do a lot for charity, but charity must start at home.
Like you say these players deal with these staff on a daily basis.
Player power these days, they could have forced this issue.

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20 Jun 2015 10:38:41
The players aren't responsible for LFC staff wages - the club is.

Who knows what the players do with their salaries.

I know lots of footballers and many do far more for their fellow humans (giving up their own time or money) than the sanctimonious hordes on the internet who are always up for redistributing other people money.

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19 Jun 2015 19:52:19
Ed001

Do you expect us to get Clyne? Ed002 said we've had a bid rejected but just wanted you thoughts if you no if we are still in discussions with Saints? The same with Kovacic please mate any update?

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{Ed001's Note - I honestly don't know, last time I spoke to anyone at Saints they were expecting him to sign a new contract, but that was before we made a bid and before he basically got told by Hodgson that he needed to leave Southampton to get a regular spot in the England team.}

19 Jun 2015 20:18:19
cheers mate, so we're not as close to signing him as people make out the, the Echo included. Surely having bid near to the asking price we will pursue him and get the deal done? Can't believe Hodgsons told him that either, how will it make a difference?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know if we are close to signing him, which is why I said I don't know. Like I said we hadn't bid when they were expecting him to sign a new deal with Saints.

I am beginning to wonder if Brazil are the only country who are under pressure to pick bigger names, as that is the only explanation for the way Jones gets in at right back. Being a Man Utd player is worth a lot more to sponsors and advertisers, in terms of exposure, than having a Southampton player in the same shirt.}

19 Jun 2015 20:46:29
Phil Jones isn't a bigger name than Nathaniel Clyne.

It's only 9 letters.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a little known fact he has 12 middle names, making him a much bigger name.}

19 Jun 2015 20:55:56
Right ok mate. I hope we do get him as we need a proper Right back, he's decent and better than what we have currently.

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19 Jun 2015 22:02:29
I can think of nine of those twelve middle names. mind you, they apply to all Man U players !

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19 Jun 2015 23:57:13
Jones is aweful

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20 Jun 2015 02:19:23
your kidding right ed01. that is atrocious the best players should play for the national team regardless of which club they play for. then they wonder why england fails everytime on the big stage. smh.

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{Ed001's Note - the best players have never been the ones chosen. I remember when John Scales left us to join Spurs, in his words it was to get in the England side, as playing for Spurs regularly would guarantee him a place. There has always been an agenda with England. These days, it does seem to be a similar one to the one that picks the Brazil team.}

20 Jun 2015 07:28:24
Come on Marshy, you're not trying if you can only get 9!

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19 Jun 2015 19:06:08
Hi EDs

Can you please tell us who we are most likely to sign as new Striker?

Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - I would suggest Ings, you might have heard of him.....}

19 Jun 2015 20:12:57
Ha ha good one eds!! Thought u were going to use the 'try the search engine' line, that reply wAs much better

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19 Jun 2015 22:03:05
We're desperate for a goalscorer. The season will be another disaster if we ignore it again like last summer.
Have we even scored since Suarez left ?

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19 Jun 2015 18:22:03
Evening Ed's
Any news on IF we are to bring in another coach along side Pepijn Lijnders.
I also wanted to ask if this review was targeted at the head of Performance and opposition analysis? I see although qualified in their respective roles and everyone has to start somewhere they where brought in by Rodgers working for Reading n Swansea.
Cheers,
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{Ed001's Note - I do expect an assistant and another coach brought in to replace Pepjin in the academy at the very least. Not sure what the second part is actually asking, sorry.}

19 Jun 2015 20:02:46
Looking at the breakdown of our staff below the obvious bench warmers and although they are qualified in their areas I see Rodgers recruited them from Reading and Swansea so I'm getting at are they as good as what we require at this level, has this been looked at by FSG in the whole across the board review.

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{Ed001's Note - some will be, some won't. Not all were from Swansea or Reading, we got some from Spurs, for instance.}

19 Jun 2015 20:23:14
Yeah agreed although I was referring too head of performance and opposition planning

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{Ed001's Note - oh got you, sorry, I am tired and distracted tonight working on other stuff for the sites. Skim reading is obviously not a skill I am capable of! The head of opposition analysis should have been sacked for his inability to figure out what Basel were doing. So you certainly have a point with him, obviously not that good at analysis when it was well known exactly what they did in European football. Looking at how our players seem to lack the basic fitness to play regularly without needing holidays etc, I have to question the role of head of performance too now you mention it. It is hard to understand how the review has not come to the same conclusion....}

19 Jun 2015 20:47:55
Nailed it Ed. Both came from Reading and Swansea albeit one did study abroad when he came out of football early and had roles with the New Zealand squad.

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{Ed001's Note - it is quite worrying now I am thinking about it, surely the opposition analysis role should have been the first to go? We clearly haven't a clue how to set up our tactics to beat an opponent, and that has to be at least partly down to him.}

19 Jun 2015 21:26:02
What role did pepjin get promoted to ed and what is your opinion of him as a coach, I don't know much about him except a couple of articles I've read

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{Ed001's Note - I believe he is going to be taking Mike Marsh's role as first team coach. I am told by people who have seen his work and worked with him that he is a top class coach and we got lucky poaching him from Porto. They think he has a bright future as a manager one day. Porto try and appoint the best coaches they can find for their youth set up, they very much emphasise youth development. Which is why they grabbed him from PSV Eindhoven. I like his thinking, he wants to create individuals who work within a team framework, but to have their own strengths and be able to act off their own initiative. We really need some players able to do so, as it was clear during the last few games of the season that our players have little. Most of them were constantly trying to get instructions from the bench when we were losing, rather than just sorting it out for themselves on the pitch. I lost count of the number of times I saw a player looking bewilderedly at the bench during the Stoke game trying to figure out what they were meant to be doing.}

20 Jun 2015 00:32:17
Agree on the opposition analysis (if had anything to do with how we set up against Basle, Man Utd, Villa etc. ) as seemed bizarre at times that we couldn't spot our own weaknesses against other attacks.

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19 Jun 2015 23:50:53
That's encouraging to hear. Thanks for the details. Any idea about AM and who would you like it to be. Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know who it will be, but it does seem Ed002's suggestion of Bolo Zenden is the best around.

By the way, in reply to zimbo, a member of the coaching staff has mentioned how they couldn't figure out the system Basle were using, which is why we couldn't sort out how to beat them. In fact, according to him, it was only after studying the two games afterwards, that the staff figured out how they kept swapping between 4-4-2 and 3-4-3. That is when we set up to try the 3-4-3.}

20 Jun 2015 09:56:14
Cheers for the reply ed,appreciated 👍

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{Ed001's Note - you are welcome mate.}

20 Jun 2015 10:30:57
How much exactly was he paid to figure out our opposition tactics using tapes of the games afterwards? Lol
Never mind getting a job in football again, he should be lucky stacking shelves in a supermarket with that kind of forward thinking.

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19 Jun 2015 17:59:40
ED001 can you explain what job rodgers does and what a head coach does, if this pepijn linders gets promoted and he has all these fantastic ideas, does he put them into motuion or does rodgers tell him what to do?if rodgers tells him what to do then surely it makes no odds who the coach is?sorry if this is a dumb question i'm just a bit confused.

Thanks in advance mate.

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{Ed001's Note - it really depends, every single person does it slightly differently. The usual though is the head coach will set the tactics to be played and the coaches will train the players to play those tactics while the head coach oversees the training, setting which players work with which coaches when etc. Some head coaches will take some of the coaching themselves, while other coaches assist. It might even vary from week to week, or day to day, depending on other stuff the head coach has to do, such as watching players of interest or putting together set piece plans, looking through video footage of previous games. I mean there are so many things, it would take a full article to really even scratch the surface.}

19 Jun 2015 20:25:24
You think we could have that article ed? I think some might find it both enlightening and interesting.

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{Ed001's Note - if I get a chance mate I will put something together. All comes down to time at the moment, we are rejigging the profiles site at the moment, which is keeping me busy.}

19 Jun 2015 21:25:04
Eds - do appreciate the dedication & patience. Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - no worries.}

20 Jun 2015 00:35:02
Interesting piece - unfortunately doesn't inspire much confidence of a turnaround as it sounds like Rogers still largely responsible for setting strategy which is where we fell down most frequently last season.

Quick question, is it 99% rogers doing team selection or is anyone else playing a meaningful part in that?

Thanks Ed

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{Ed002's Note - It will be the manager.}

19 Jun 2015 18:29:22
If anybody's in mood for a laugh hop over to the arsenal page. World War III going over there.

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19 Jun 2015 20:11:18
No its way to much fun reading the exact same questions and aggressive miserable lfc supporters post here.

Still waiting to find out what a blert is.

Hopefully he's a world class MARQUEE centre forward lol

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19 Jun 2015 20:16:14
It looks like good clean banter to me. We should try it sometime!

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19 Jun 2015 20:27:45
What do you call a Belgian divvy?

Phillipe A blert

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19 Jun 2015 20:31:01
Well 65, there is every chance a blert could grow up to be a top footballer, or truck driver, or burger flipper.
Depends how you nurture it and how many times you take it to watch the footy I suppose.

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19 Jun 2015 20:50:48
Yes mikey awsome mate hahaha

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20 Jun 2015 00:08:49
First post on this site in years.

World war 3? It's called good old fashioned, friendly banter and it never got out of hand once. Fair play to the gooners as they can give as good as they get without getting too bitchy.

We would try it on this page but you guys do well enough at tearing strips into each other, your own players, manager and staff - so it's unneccessary!

I do read your site every now and again so I'll let you off Reet as you actually come across as one of the only ones who can keep it light hearted and have some banter.

Other than that it's all doom, doom, gloom and more doom 😨

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20 Jun 2015 04:43:51
H.B you took my post way too seriously mate

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20 Jun 2015 10:04:59
Didn't mean to come across that way Reet, mind you I had had a few when I posted lol

I do raise some serious points tho, these are supposed to be banter sites not whinging sites nor ask the Ed sites

Right I'll slope off back into the shadows. 💃

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19 Jun 2015 18:29:18
I feel good about Ings,
I think for every young player moving to a big club, you take a gamble on whether he will thrive on the pressure and become a better player because of the increased quality (Jordan Henderson) or if he will fail to step his game up and be left on the periphery (Joe Allen )
Despite his age, it's all in his hands, it really is. He needs to work hard, learn from the more experienced players around him and he should be a fine addition.

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19 Jun 2015 21:26:21
You still need BR to actually give him a proper chance, not 15 mins a game and the dropped which is what he did with lambert and borini.

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20 Jun 2015 00:00:45
Or wind up at left back

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20 Jun 2015 00:37:57
Agree Welsh, you never truly know with younger players until you have faith and give them time. Swish, I think Lambert was always going to be a fish out of water unless we changed our system entirely, and while I agree Borini needed far more time on the pitch last season I'm not sure he would ever have been a Sturridge or Suarez, just not clinical enough.

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19 Jun 2015 17:56:10
Turns out kondongbia is a huge liverpool fan
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I think he would be a great successor to lucas.
Perhaps lucas could guide him for a year or two.
Whats your opinion on his, Ed 01 and do we hold any interest?

Thanks and keep up the good work :-D

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{Ed001's Note - I have not seen enough of him to judge him, saw him play once and he was excellent but that is it. Not aware of interest from us, I would have made an effort to watch him more to see if he really was that good if I knew of any.}

20 Jun 2015 00:39:06
Would love to see him at Liverpool.

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19 Jun 2015 16:49:55
Hi eds, I know before last season Rodgers made assurances over a premier league title challenge and a good champions league run. Are you aware of any assurances he has made for the coming season?

Another thing I am really worried about the transfers so far, we are after Clyne and kovacic as confirmed by you guys we have brought in 3 already and I can't see that being the end of our transfer business are we not repeating the same mistakes as last summer? Not slating the players we have or may bring in just what's the point? You have seen what happens when you do this Mr rodgers it all ends in tears!

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{Ed001's Note - no idea yet.}

19 Jun 2015 19:03:38
He's promised to win the Premier League, Champions League, Europa League & La Liga fielding the under 21s and cutting the wage bill by 110%.

Job done he'll thank redohio for all his support and ceremoniously handover the reins to Jurgen Klopp.

Carlsberg don't make football managers but if they did.

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19 Jun 2015 22:04:52
If they did he wouldn't be 1 of them

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20 Jun 2015 00:01:51
Nice one, Boom!

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19 Jun 2015 17:45:37
I see a report saying kondogbia is a huge lfc fan. he's the ideal player for us in midfield. Sit him in front of our defense watch it massively improve.

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19 Jun 2015 18:27:33
great player, not going to happen. Especially not with BR as manager.

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19 Jun 2015 21:01:45
That looks like Emre's job now.

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19 Jun 2015 17:33:07
Just researched Pepjin ,hope he is being promoted,looks a great prospect.

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19 Jun 2015 19:22:16
He talks like Rodgers based on those quotes of his so they should rub along just fine.

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{Ed001's Note - he talks nothing like Rodgers.}

19 Jun 2015 19:53:45
Obviously the accent is different!

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{Ed001's Note - and he says totally different things. I don't see anything about how outstanding we played in defeat. Or how he is responsible for every good performance by a player. He doesn't mention possession for possession's sake either. He talks about going for the jugular with a high press and getting the ball high up the field.}

20 Jun 2015 00:03:00
Only BR talks like BR.

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19 Jun 2015 16:27:51
Eds thanks for the info why is everything at the club so silent owners manager maybe the review ain't complete as yet

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{Ed001's Note - the owners always try and keep quiet, they have gone to a great deal of trouble to shut down any leaks.}

19 Jun 2015 17:29:04
Best of luck to the owners on keeping things quiet when Brendan gets back from his hols because they are going to need it. The leak from that man's mouth will be bigger than any gas pipe or oil leak in history known to man.

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19 Jun 2015 17:29:38
Thanks ed

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19 Jun 2015 16:04:47
AJGReds- what I unfortunately witnessed against Palace, Arsenal and the Debacle against Stoke was anything but 100% mate. I wouldn't have paid them let alone supported them.

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19 Jun 2015 16:32:58
There's a button just under each thread "Reply To Above Post"

Very handy for keeping conversations/topics going.

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19 Jun 2015 15:47:11
Our preseason starts in three weeks, over in Thailand. I'll assume the players don't parachute into the ground? So having to travel and then train a bit before the game, again I'm just going to assume this going on last game against Stoke.

That's just 3 weeks to replace our back room staff closest to Rodgers and the 1st team.

What is going on? Why are the appointments taking so long?

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19 Jun 2015 17:20:56
I'd rather they take their time and get it right, than rush the appointments and send us into another season like the one we just had.

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19 Jun 2015 19:04:26
Don't panic Mr Mainwering!

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19 Jun 2015 22:15:12
It does'nt matter who they appoint while this klipe is in charge. They couldn't even figure out he was the problem. Why would you trust who they employ.

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20 Jun 2015 00:05:12
He wasn't the prob, the lame duck assistants were. Go figure.

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20 Jun 2015 09:50:59
redohio

You talk as though BR has finished 17th in each of his 3 seasons.

Finishing 2nd equals the achievement of any LFC manager in a quarter of a century.

In all 3 seasons he's had the team on longish runs (over at least 2 months min) when we've ticked along at more than 2 points per game (top 4 form).

He cocked up plenty but all things being equal he would have wanted to keep Suarez and add 2 players last season. LS departure was beyond his control so we took the opportunity to reinvest in several positions for added depth. When Sturridge got crocked I gave up on 4th. Yet we went into the game against United with a realistic chance of top 4 despite playing ell in less than half a dozen games last season.

For me (after weighing up the facts I've outlined above) there's enough to give the man another season although I admit I wanted him gone watching the embarrassing run in.

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19 Jun 2015 14:05:06
Hey eds!
Do you think lfc will give tiago Ilori his chance to prove his worth in the preseason Or will he be made available for the transfer? Because he looks promising to me. Should not sell him without even giving him one good oportunity.
Thanks!

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{Ed001's Note - it is looking more and more likely he will be sold.}

19 Jun 2015 16:16:09
Another player whose career has been stunted by mismanagement. i'm guessing gomez is fast and strong and quick too. So he will be sent out on loan for 3 years and return having never played a game for the first team and sold for a bag of haribo and a can of tizer.

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19 Jun 2015 17:29:05
Looks a class player too!

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20 Jun 2015 00:48:17
Think it's ridiculous he won't be given a chance even in cup or lower league games to see how he does, but we try to keep Skrtel, Lovren and Toure and rarely play Sakho.

Lovren/Sakho and perhaps Illori/Sakho if performs would be my pick. No doubt we'll end up with Skrtel/Lovren again!

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19 Jun 2015 14:19:40
Hi eds, just saw a report saying Kjaer the cb from lille turned down a move to liverpool in favour of fenerbache this week.Apparantly its because fenerbache gave him a more optimistic season plan in terms of trophies, makes you wonder how many players are turning us diwn behind the scenes

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{Ed001's Note - it is not true.}

19 Jun 2015 15:11:56
Kjaers agent came out and said the quotes were fabricated, which makes you wonder how so many publications ran with the same story.

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19 Jun 2015 13:12:04
Great to see so much support for our club on this site. rubbish keeper, rubbish defenders, rubbish midfield, rubbish strikers, rubbish manager and rubbish owners blah blah blah blah. We support our players no matter what right?? We are Liverpool fans, the best fans in the world right?? I am worried about the way the club is going but I won't slate our lads, as long as I see 100% when they get out there, then that is all you can ask. Give them a break, see who we bring in and just support them things can change very quickly in football.

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{Ed001's Note - I didn't see 100% from the players against Stoke.....

Plus this is not the match, support at the game, fine, but when you are not at the game blinkered support is pointless. It achieves nothing, but I guess it makes you feel superior.}

19 Jun 2015 13:35:16
Not at all and I guess I am a bit blinkered. Look I personally do not think Rodgers is the right man for the job but I want him to succeed. I just get a bit frustrated because most of the comments recently have been so negative. Can you give me something positive that the club is doing??

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{Ed001's Note - if it is correct, then the promotion of Pepjin Linders is very positive.}

19 Jun 2015 14:13:42
AJGREDS

I want nothing more than for Rodgers to succeed, but it just ain't going to happen.

Theres so much negativity because a blind man can see the problems we have yet the club just aren't addressing them.

What is the point in keeping Rodgers? He's not upto the job but he will stay and come Xmas be up for the chop and leave us mid table.

The players coming in again are not the calibre we should be getting.
There not going to improve our squad and the next one Gomez is pointless. We have ilori yet they won't even give him a chance.

At the end of the day the direction we are moving in is not good.

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19 Jun 2015 14:54:02
Anybody know the bookies odds that Mr Rodgers will be gone by Christmas ?

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19 Jun 2015 14:16:35
You like linders ed?

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{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told and read, he seems ideal.}

19 Jun 2015 14:53:34
If my staff put that amount of "effort" in a shift they'd be on the dole queue. 100 per cent. Not even close and the working man pays to see it. Shameful on occasion

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19 Jun 2015 15:03:24
Agree that blinkered support achieves nothing on this site but then the same is true for the blanket criticism decribed.
The only way anything would be achieved is if people within the club read the site and if they do I'd rather they had the feeling of everyone is behind them rather than everyone hates them.

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{Ed001's Note - and what good would that be when they are making a mess of things? If they get it right, then they will get support and deserve it. They have to earn it though.}

19 Jun 2015 15:12:29
I support the crest on the red shirt AJGREDS, not our idiot manager.

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19 Jun 2015 15:15:35
Yuri, he won't last that long

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19 Jun 2015 16:25:52
All good points there. It seems that some just want us to allow mediocrity to be shoved down our throats, all in the name of "support the team regardless". NONESENSE! I can support the club and disagree with their policies and the direction they it is going with no prob at all. Or are many on here incapable of multi-tasking? The dumbest thing is that many say they want BR gone yet have no prob with him staying. Wait, what? That makes no sense and seems many wanna have it both ways. I want him gone and DO have a prob with him staying and will not accept mediocrity from a set of owners or fans or manager just because "support the team" bla, bla, bla. Like Ed said, the manager has to earn his trust and support of the fan base and the only thing he has earned is being an embarassment and disgrace in the eys of the public with his failed policies nand brainless comments in the media. Have some people no shame nor a sense of ambition? This club was not built on the mediocrity of our past legends. it was built on self belief that through dreams and hardwork, much can be achieved. Now, mediocrity seems to be the norm. Hey, if some wanna accept the mess we are in as the way it is, good on them BUT stop telling the rest of us to agree with you because we won't UNTIL things change. Rant Over!

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19 Jun 2015 17:32:22
Yuri Brendan Rodgers is 7/2 not be in charge by January 1st and 1/6 to still be in charge on 1st jan 2016

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19 Jun 2015 18:54:00
Hey eds. all for constructive criticism but the banal criticism is even less useful than the blinkered support. I'm Getting bored of the 'everything is s**t' comments.

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{Ed001's Note - well then put a different view down rather than whining even more.}

19 Jun 2015 19:22:28
Thanks lads.

I have only seen 2/1 and 4/1 gone by the beginning of the season and 1/6 he is still there January 2016.

FSG are certainly keeping their cards close to their chests.

The press are talking as if he will be there for the season ?

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20 Jun 2015 00:55:41
He's a lame duck, ready for the chop.

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19 Jun 2015 12:16:54
Here's my little breakdown on transfer whilst I'm on the bus.

Ings to go alongside origi, sturridge & Lambert

Milner for gerrards experience and to go on the wings when Raheem goes

Bogdan for jones

Clyne with manquillo/wisdom leaving

Kovacic, stindl or ocampos to take gerrards place in the middle (stindl isn't coming btw but i think that is the midfielder we are targetting)

Gomez going back on a years loan to Charlton or with maybe sakho leaving

And I think that's that, I wouldn't expect any striker coming in now, i also will say that maybe a few moves could dictate another transfer

If we can shift ballo, borini and see what the immediate future holds for origi & lambert then potentially we might just try for a striker but i wouldn't hold my breathe.

I think it will be dine by the tour start and we will be good to go August 1st with all ins done and knowing who we are loaning out etc or selling on. The tour might also make us think about another transfer but i think we will be done in about 3 weeks.

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19 Jun 2015 14:22:28
Why are people disagreeing and not putting forward there version; its a banter web page not a dislike one ?

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19 Jun 2015 16:21:27
Wisdom and sakho will not be leaving.

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19 Jun 2015 16:43:23
Hi Redman, I can't remember if I hit disagree or not earlier but I could be one of those so here goes why I may have hit it:

I hope Wisdom doesn't go, I'm not pushed on Clyne.
Stindl is gone so why bother mentioning him.
I didn't see anything from the Eds on Ocampos so I thought paper rubbish.
Can't see Sakho going and no way would I want him going. You have an 18 year replacing someone who has captained PSG and France. I know you could say Lovren and then Gomez is his backup but still.
I think generally nearly everything else you have said relates to the strikers and you have typed the names of the players who we have signed and typed the names of the ones for sale and then said we'll see about Origi and Lambert. Sorry I don't see any opinion there other than the Origi/Lambert let's see part.

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19 Jun 2015 16:51:40
Why mention stindl when ed2 already said he didn't wanna come.why are we selling wisdom when we've just given him a 4 year deal. Manquillo possibly to stay unless the club want to terminate the loan. But looks likely with clyne being looked at. Sakho looked too leave in jan but is settled now.

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19 Jun 2015 17:49:32
Wisdom was another loan move. Sorry for not clarifying!

Lovren & Skrtle are clearly first choice so do you see someone who has 'captained France & Psg' sitting on the bench?

I mentioned stindl (and clarified that he wasn't coming) to highlight what looks like the type of midfielder were going for as (well) as far as I can tell stindl, ocampos & kovacic seem similar to eachother someone to play alongside Hendo.

Right now we have as strikers Sturridge, Ballo, Borini, Ings, Lambert & Origi. I know the club are actively looking to sell Borini & Ballotelli and if thy go that will leave us with S, O, I & L. I imagine ings & sturridge are definatly here next season and club will take all 4 on tour and see how origi and lambert get on. So there fore depending what the club plan to do with origi (maybe a loan) then that could dictate wether we bring in another striker but right not it is looking like Lambert, Origi, Sturidge and Ings.

I was just trying to put a logic to our transfer dealings (like what there sat doing when they are signing these players)

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19 Jun 2015 19:06:09
Most of what you have said is supposition and i would also argue not logical. Why give wisdom an extension to then send him on loan, he will be cover for fb or wb depending on system.

Sakho replaced lovren in the team and lovren only got back in when skittles or sakho was injured. That does not seem like first choice to me. Last week sakho also said he was settled and staying at the club.

Sturridge is injured and will not be going on tour. If balo and borini leave we have 3 fit strikers and none considered starters. Considering ffp and our penchant for adding surplus midfielders its likely we will buy another striker until players are sold. Even then how many strikers can we have considering origi, lambert and ings are unlikely to fo on loan with sturridge to come back in October.

My supposition is that sterling will be sold and we will buy yet another attacking midfielder who can score goals.

What players we actually need is another matter and one that divides opinion.

N.b. none of this is fact but my opinion based on available information.

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19 Jun 2015 11:49:58
Simon Kjaer, former Lille CB, has stated that he snubed LFC to join Fenerbahce.

Not sure, but I would believe that LFC are interested in a first team CB.

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19 Jun 2015 12:24:51
He said he wants to win trophies, so opted for fenerbache in a piss poor league! Haha Yeah best of luck!

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19 Jun 2015 12:41:00
His agent has said those quotes didn't come from Simon Kjaer. he's a massive Liverpool fan as is his dad so I doubt he would have said that. I don't even believe we were in for him anyway.

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{Ed001's Note - we have never shown any interest in him, he has tried (and so did Agger when he was here) to get us interested every single transfer window, but we have never wanted him. For good reason. He is not good enough.}

19 Jun 2015 12:59:25
Kjaer is indeed a very big Liverpool fan and has in the past tried to move to LFC on multiple occasions. I would be surprised if he said such things.

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19 Jun 2015 13:28:14
Thanks for that ed001. I can't remember ever seeing us in for him, despite him talking it up several times.

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19 Jun 2015 13:51:28
Players say a lot of dumb stuff, especially the poor ones like him so nothing to see here.

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19 Jun 2015 10:52:49
Eds with inter looking to sign kondogbia and imbula surely they have to cash in on a player first with them having been fined by FFP, do you think they'll finally settle on selling kovacic to us ? Or do you think it will drag on a bit

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{Ed001's Note - they have to sell to buy, but that doesn't necessarily have to be Kovacic.}

19 Jun 2015 12:19:17
Its quite funny that the eds and a lot of fans would love a midfield with kovacic and msdel in and they have both, they just need to find a box to box mid to play alongside both of them.

They should sell hernanes and go and get nzonzi or similar who can go up and down the field.

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19 Jun 2015 12:34:18
Inter have some teams interested in another player who they feel will bring in enough money so they don't have to sell kovacevic.

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19 Jun 2015 10:50:32
Have never before posted on to the site - quite enjoy reading, although the genuine rumours are very few and far between. This may not be a bad thing, as I would prefer that transfer dealings were kept under wraps until the last minute.

I have supported Liverpool all my life and have been visiting Anfield for the last 35 years. I have seen some great times, some mediocre times and some truly horrendous times. It is hard to know where our current predicament ranks as it is not as bad as the Hodgson debacle at all.

I think the real problem is that we achieved well above our station the season before last and expectations were unnaturally inflated, this was due to some pieces of the puzzle "just clicking" with very few injuries and 2 amazing strikers that bled confidence & arrogance throughout the team (arrogance, in a good way that great sports teams have).

We still struggled in defence, but that didn't matter as we would out score whoever was in front of us - until we didn't!

Then this last season cam - our strike force was no more, and our defence was much the same, although this time the spotlight was truly on them due to not having the Suarez/Sturridge get out of jail free card.

Brendan Rodgers on the face of it looks out of his depth, but in fairness to him he is a young manager who also needs to be managed by superiors and given the guidance whether he wants it or not. With regards to letting Pascoe go and not renewing Marsh's contract, I really am of 2 minds. Can the blame really be laid at their feet? Were they not working within the constraints of the players provided to them by the committee? If they were to blame, were they not coaching in the style/technique that Rodgers wanted them to? By not relieving Rodgers also, could be seriously damaging to whomever comes in as replacements, and who will pick the replacements????

Lastly, with all of this going on, why would you currently join Liverpool FC. If we all remove our rose tinted glasses and look at it from a business point of view - as I am sure many footballers do - they will see a club who has lost key players dating back to Torres, Alonso, Mascherano right up to last year with Suarez as they had to leave to "win trophies", and you cannot argue with that when you see what they have won since leaving. You also see a club with regular managing and coaching changes, including the current scenario when it looks as though the current manager has been told to sit in the naughty corner whilst being told he cannot play with his best friends (Pascoe et al). Even though off the pitch Sterling may behave like a gob sh, he is also deemed within the game as one of the best talents to come out of England for some time - and he does not want to be any where near the club. Also did I forget that due to our dithering and treatment of our club captain who was very badly managed, he also wants away from "the club he loves". He doesn't want to be involved, why on earth would others??

So my question is - where to from here as I cannot see the best way forward at present? Does anyone have any info on coaches?

Sorry for the long post - but it feels good to get it all out!

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19 Jun 2015 11:40:19
The owners still have some faith in BR, or else he would´ve been sacked. I would believe that the owners are a bit pissed that the amount of money that have been used haven´t made an impact. Pascoe and Marsh weren´t the guilty ones, but still they were sacked.

I would believe that BR have to perform this season or else he´ll be gone - Might be gone in winter, it depends a lot on how we perform. The fixture list isn´t helping him.

It is rumoured that Pepijn Lijnders (current youth coach) will be promoted to first team coach. Not sure about the asst manager, but the following have been rumoured: Zenden, Pako, Hyppia and Carragher. I would believe that Zenden is the most likely of those.

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19 Jun 2015 11:53:03
Welcome Matt. I would never give the benefit of any doubt to Rodgers, he has failed to do his job pertinently and that is the reason we are where we are, speaking parochially. Beyond Rodgers, I am less trusting of the way things are managed. I would think it important to put a structure at the management level that suits the club, and then employ the right people. Taking of Rodgers' assistants is something I have never heard of and I can't agree to.

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19 Jun 2015 11:54:49
Thanks RedFuzz, good info. I do not know much about Pepijn Lijnders, so any info would be great.

On a slightly different note did anyone notice Thiago Ilori last night for Portugal U21's? There is something about him, and his movement that really reminds me of Alan Hansen. Before I get crucified for that, I am not saying he is or ever will be as good, just thing the lad shows something, and has the athleticism and "nouse" to be a great defender.

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19 Jun 2015 12:26:04
Can we start a bring back Hyppia petition?

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19 Jun 2015 13:23:31
For what purpose

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19 Jun 2015 13:44:44
description of Lijnders

http://goo.gl/MZhPHb

I agree that Ilori should be given a chance, he seems like a good player.

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19 Jun 2015 14:27:39
That link is a pleasure to read - providing he is as good as he sounds, this would seem like an excellent move.

Now we just need an assistant to Rodgers.I'm stumped on that one!

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19 Jun 2015 14:45:37
I`m not too thrilled with having ex-players around as it has not helped us that much (second coming of KK and Souness comes to mind. There are other assistants out there that are more suitable than him so not too hung up on the ex players thing. I also disagree with the owners having confidence in him. Why? simple. How do you say you have confidence in a manager yet you weaken/isolate him by firing his assistants? That`s setting up to fail and a cop out for not firing him completely. He has shown he is a failure yet you endorse him and at the same time, isolate him. That is mind-blowing. If you have confidence, keep the whole staff and if you don`t, fire them ALL and give someone else the tools he needs. Wreaks of incompetence because like AG, I`ve never heard of it in all my 30 plus years of following footie. He`s nothing but a lame duck atm and when he fails because he`s being set up to do so, it will be the owners` fault and theirs alone.

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19 Jun 2015 09:47:53
There's arsenal signing cech. That's them improving there team . We should have done the same and got begovic . A top keeper is workers 12 points .

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19 Jun 2015 09:58:43
Worth lol

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19 Jun 2015 10:01:09
It certainly got united top 4

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19 Jun 2015 10:16:00
Haven´t seen much of Begovic, but according to Squawka Mignolet is a better keeper than Begovic in almost every aspect. I know stats doesn´t tell everything, but I would imagine that if we wanted a new keeper we should aim for someone who has a better distribution than Mignolet and Begovic isn´t much better according to Squawka.

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{Ed001's Note - how can you tell from stats? It depends on who he is distributing the ball to, are they moving into space or are they just stood still allowing opponents to nip in? Mignolet puts the ball into touch every time he kicks it, there is not a single other keeper in the league who does that. Sorry but stats just are not telling you the full story, Mignolet is by far and away the worst keeper I have ever seen in the Prem in terms of distribution. I have no idea what the coaches are doing with him, but it clearly is not improving on that.}

19 Jun 2015 10:17:32
Yep their keeper saved them big time for most of season whilst ours cost us so many points .

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19 Jun 2015 10:46:08
Fair play edd . I think the same . Been saying it a long time .last year he was a big factor in not winning the lge . In an already ropey defence he causes blond panic. Off the deck he's brutal . He did what he was decent at towards the latter end of the season and some folk think he's a top keeper . We desperately need a keeper . I though we could have went for vorm although he's not the tallest , but ultimately someone who is good at all aspects

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19 Jun 2015 10:52:19
It's all about signings but I think the title race is going to be a lot closer next season between Chelsea, Arsenal, City and United.

Cech will be a great signing for Arsenal and could help them with consistency. Chelsea will be up there. If City and United can sign the right players and if United can replace De Gea appropriately (if he leaves) then it could be a really close one.

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19 Jun 2015 11:15:59
I personally feel that the heavy defeats and influx of goals against us is more to do with BR (and the coaching staff) and a passing methodology that makes zero sense under pressure circumstances. This literally crippled our boys at the back (another case of BR and square pegs in round holes) as they looked awkward and were often uncomfortable with heavy pressure opponents who simply steam-rolled us much too often. It's like having a left-handed person and forcing them to write and take exams with their right-hand. it's awkward, stupid, nonsensical and WILL lead to mistakes. BR failed to inspire confidence or a sensible defensive methodology. and the same comment was made about him after he had left Swansea. so although I hope he changes his approach we have no reason to believe he will and historical precedent that he will continue with it.

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19 Jun 2015 11:49:43
I think you're all being a bit harsh on Migs. He has saved us quite a few times last season. Distribution is a problem, but it doesn't make him a bad keeper.

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{Ed001's Note - when did he make a save that you wouldn't expect any half decent keeper to make?}

19 Jun 2015 12:14:07
"I think you're all being a bit harsh on Migs" Would any of the top 5 from the season just gone, have him as their number 1 keeper? Come to think about it, which goalkeeper in the prem would you say he's better than? And no stats!

I will have a punt and say that they wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. Plus I can't think of a goalie that is worse than him.

He fills me with fear anytime the ball goes near him, I'd replace him in a heartbeat.

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19 Jun 2015 12:23:02
Thanks eds, best thing you've wrote all day.

Surely noone rates mignolet, come on guys&gals. Were meant to be some of the most knowledgeable fans in the world, you could get locked away if you start spouting stuff like 'Mignolets good' in public.

He's woeful everywhere you look.

I think my most favorite comment in the world is "he's a fantastic shot stopper" when referring to a goal keeper. For 75k a week my nan (and I know that comment gets bandied around alot) but my nan could literrsly save what he saves, no doubt.

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19 Jun 2015 12:31:03
He's not been the "worst in the BPL" IMO but Begovic is a significant upgrade. I haven't given up on Mignolet, but it is true his distribution is very poor. Not particularly bright with crosses either.

How highly do you rate Bogdan? Is he pretty much solidifying Mignolet's place in the squad, or does he have a chance to overtake him at some point?

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{Ed001's Note - Bogdan is not good enough, he is a Championship keeper at his best.}

19 Jun 2015 12:45:07
The instruction appears to be to kick towards a contested header near the side line. This does not excuse the amount that go out but rather
questioning the plan given the low success rate.

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19 Jun 2015 12:49:57
The worst keeper in terms of distribution in Pl history? Such an over exaggeration haha. He's pretty poor granted, but there's definitely worse in the league now. Ben Foster for one.

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{Ed001's Note - does Ben Foster kick every ball into the stands? Because I have not seen him do that, but I have spent many a frustrating afternoon watching Mignolet do exactly that.}

19 Jun 2015 14:32:03
Tbf I would rather him kick it into touch than try and pass it out of defence. anybody remember against Leicester where he passed the ball straight to cambiasso who then had an open goal?

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19 Jun 2015 15:01:55
in one swoop, Arsenal just got better than us by signing a player in a position they have struggled in for years. Us? We`re still dithering and collecting players who won`t improve us and in the areas we don`t need help or keeping poor players by rewarding them with contracts while neglecting areas we do need help in. Quand l`incompetence nous tiens a la gorge (When incompetence holds you by the throat)

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19 Jun 2015 15:10:15
I think Migs made at least 3 top drawer saves last season but can't recall the opposition off the top of my head.
He's a good shot stopper.
He lacks confidence
He's got a disorganised rabble in front of him.
He should be left to clear the ball as he chooses in my opinion. Let him worry about goal keeping first and foremost.

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{Ed001's Note - 3? In a whole season? That is simply not good enough when you look at how many goals we conceded while he was in net. A top class keeper wins points on his own, like De Gea did for Man Utd, we have a keeper who is losing us points.}

19 Jun 2015 15:20:57
To be fair to Mignolet, every player he is kicking the ball to is about a foot shorter than the opposition player covering them. We have a tiny midfield and most any keeper would struggle with distribution to them as near none of them are likely to win a header.

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{Ed001's Note - so why not learn how to throw it? Or put it into a space in front of a pacey player allowing him to turn the opposition defence? There is no excuse for his inability to kick.}

19 Jun 2015 16:15:42
Reina was perfect for how we wanted to play. His distribution was superb; best thrower of a ball I've ever seen and he could kick equally well with both feet under pressure. I can remember him actually chipping in with a few direct assists of his own throughout his career with us. Whether he was a good enough shot stopper is another question, but his ability to get the ball up the pitch quickly and effectively was top top class imo

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19 Jun 2015 16:31:01
Also him kicking it directly to Cambiasso is not an example of why kicking it out of touch is ok. It just further shows how poor his distribution is.

One of the things which terrifies me is he lobs balls to our full backs when we played a back four and they are landing head height. The ball floats in the air and there would normally have been Johnson jumping with an attacker/midfielder closing him down.

Squakwa or whatever will call that rubbish a completed pass for Mignolet. It's a hospital ball and he's putting our defenders in trouble straight away. He's like an additional playmaker for the opposition.

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19 Jun 2015 16:31:45
Migs is a good shot-stopper, but his all round play is poor. His distribution is terrible. In fact it's so bad they need to tell him just to boot it to the centre circle then at least it will stay in play and be a 50/50 ball.

However, he hasn't exactly got the best defence in the world in front of him.

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{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced he is a good shotstopper, I have seen numerous goals conceded that he should have done better with. He is average even in that regard, in particular one embarrassment from a free kick sticks in my mind when he was beaten ridiculously easily.}

19 Jun 2015 16:46:07
Reina's form had been poor for two years and he had been trying to get out of the club for ages. I'm glad we got rid of him. Replacing him poorly is an altogether different matter.

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19 Jun 2015 18:23:36
Correction Ed01, he was a FREE championship keeper at best ;)
Also, I think Reina assisted Dirk Kuyts goal against United,
Dirk got wrong side of Evra late on, 2-1 to us, I want to say a cup game, 5th round FA but that's pushing my brain too far.
Sure it was Pepe, anybody care to confirm or correct?

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19 Jun 2015 19:51:06
Yeah 3 top drawer saves in a season but those are saves I wouldn't expect any keeper to make, hence "top drawer".

Plus that's in games I attended but I missed 4 home games and only made 2 away games last season so he probably made more. Either way, I think he's a good shot stopper, he just lacks confidence and is under more pressure than the likes of Courtois due to his defence.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't remember seeing anything like 3 top drawer saves and I watched every game we played. The fact that he is under pressure means that he gets more opportunity to make top drawer saves, yet he is not doing so. I fail to see how being under more pressure excuses him from making less saves than someone who is spending most of the season watching the game pass him by with little to do?}

19 Jun 2015 20:58:56
I'm with Ed01 on Migs & Skrtel. they're the only constants in a defence that has leaked nearly 100 PL goals in 2 seasons.

But Lovren (a 10m player at best) can't play on the right (he gets all lost and confused standing 3 feet away from his favourite position, bless) and Sakho can't stay fit.

Our defence has had a fortune spent on it and is still our weak link. And it's not all down to Rodgers. The amount of individual ricks is quite frankly beyond statistical probability.

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{Ed001's Note - surely the manager should set up a system to reduce those individual ricks? Plus he is the one bringing them all in and picking them each week. So it still comes down to him to a large degree.}

19 Jun 2015 22:27:42
But he's tried several systems.

And he didn't buy Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Johnson & Flanagan who played the majority of games between them in his first 2 seasons.

I think you're letting the players off the hook too much.

The systems have often had little to do with so many of the mistakes we've all witnessed.

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{Ed001's Note - he has tried several systems, which shows he is unable to figure out the best one to use. Again that just shows a lack of ability to figure out how to get the best out of his players. Just find a settled system and tweak it on a game by game basis, not continually change the system then wonder why the players are struggling to get to grips with the constant changes. Sometimes he is changing it multiple times in one half of a match, how on earth are the players meant to figure it out when he clearly can't? Sorry but the system is the issue. Until they settle into one that they can understand, they will always look lost.}

20 Jun 2015 01:02:10
If he can't figure it out, why is he still in a job? He tried all kinds of systems yet no dice, so what do we do, Boom? Hold hands and pray he gets it right? Is three years not enuff or should we wait another three yrs hoping he gets his crap together? You might have that kind of time but the rest of us don't. LFC is not a club where you come to learn. It's either you shape up and learn quickly or you get the sack, which he will at this rate.

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19 Jun 2015 09:32:56
Like Ed001, I don't see why people want Dzeko so much. He doesn't fit our style, he's generally poor and he would cost quite a pretty penny. The only argument for the signing of Dzeko that I can think of is that he is a big-game player, something which no one seems to pick up on (e.g. equaliser vs QPR before Aguero's goal, his good form during the run-in which arguably won City the title in 2014).

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19 Jun 2015 09:46:10
City won the lge then because crazy Mario got a 5 game ban and dzeko played instead up top with aguero . Balotelli was useless then and is now ! Dzeko is passed it and lazy as.

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19 Jun 2015 12:23:59
Dzekos woeful and if the transfer commuter gets one thing right it will be steering very clear of him.

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19 Jun 2015 15:02:35
Ings is better than Dzeko.

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19 Jun 2015 09:19:16
I'm really hacked off we appear to not be giving Ilori a chance and go and sign another one for the future centre back in Gomez (not that I have a single thing against him by the way). The we are rumoured for 2 full backs we just don't need if we coach and have faith in Moreno and Wisdom - spending money where it is not needed.

Replace Sterling (if he goes), get a decent holding midfielder and a damn good striker. oh and start to sell some players, it's not a competition to see who can have the most.

Can't the club see what is really required when most of us here tend to agree?

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19 Jun 2015 10:33:29
Totally agree. He should be given game time. Even out of courtesy as Rogers was in charge when he signed him. Shocking man management from his part

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19 Jun 2015 11:20:30
I feel it is unlikely BR will give him a chance. but look at BR's history. he wanted rid of Henderson as well (Fulham if I'm not mistaken). BR is IMHO a destructive and obstructive influence to LFC moving forward. Forgive me I'm in an irritable mood today, lol

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19 Jun 2015 12:24:45
He has got to have a bad attitude or something, or doesn't get on with th group because there is absolutely no doubting his talent.

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19 Jun 2015 16:06:15
No, he doesn`t IMO. BR is clueless, period. he buys players and doesn`t give them a chance to show what they can do and then makes people think they`re not good ehuff. He almost kicked Hendo out and was trying to do the same to Sahko and froze our Lucas and Agger. He buys Aspas and Borini and hails them as good players YET never played them. Till today, no one will ever know how good Aspas may have been for us because he never got chances. He was good in spain and even Del Bosque was looking at him so are people trying to say that Del Bosque sucks too? Now Aspas won a trophy and BR is nothing but a lame duck witout a sausage to his name. These aren`t coincidences. Ilori is a beast of a player. Why? I`ve actually seen him play for Bordeaux and Grenada a couple of times. BR is a bad influence on players he doesn`t like (especially those he bought because NOBODY forced these players on him) and has no prob destroying their careers or making them look bad in order for him to look good in the eyes of the media.

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19 Jun 2015 08:31:24
Morning Eds. Do you see Liverpool going for Higuain at any point? Seems the obvious choice, or is he just the fans preferred option?
Also, just wondering about your thoughts on Podolski, I thought he would have been an astute purchase before his Inter Milan move but hardly anyone seemed interested, is there any particular reason why?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't expect us to make any move for him.

Podolski is too lazy, he is a stroller on and off the pitch.}

19 Jun 2015 08:07:25
Tuttosport reporting that we're willing to pay the asking price for Kovacic. I hope this is so. If we can then bring in a decent striker (Higuain would be my pick of who may be available and realistic) and coaching staff to particularly work with the defence, then not a bad window considering where we're at, IMO.

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19 Jun 2015 11:23:07
A journo friend said to me (and this is only opinion) that he felt the money was agreed a while back but the payment schedule is the difficulty because Inter cannot get the same phased payments on their preferred replacement. So, where we held it up before it appears the hold up is now at the other end.

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19 Jun 2015 12:22:22
Close to zero chance of Higuain. Almost certain not other striker will come in, but if your hoping for Higuain then you'll be disappointed. The same applies to anyone who thinks we will sign a replacement for Mignolet.

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19 Jun 2015 12:26:01
Not going to happen now. Shame!

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19 Jun 2015 07:40:05
Hey eds.
Just an idea, what about making King Kenny part of the back room staff? He has invaluable experience and he knows the club inside out

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19 Jun 2015 07:43:48
Seriously. Even after last times experience?? King is completey fine in the role he is currently in

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