Liverpool Banter Archive March 19 2013
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19 Mar 2013 23:15:28
Live in the moment.
Stop catastrophising when we lose and stop dreaming of 100% finishes and top 4 when we win.
At the moment we are a young squad. We are a developing squad. We are 9 points off top 4. We are in the first season of a new era. Our manager has had half a summer and a winter transfer window.
It's obvious his preparation for this season was not ideal. This summer he will be better prepared.
In short he hasn't even had chance to lay the foundations properly and we are still only 9 points off top 4.
There will be no summer clear out or mass recruitment. Be realistic.
Search Engine
Whilst there may not be a 'clear out' we need to be realistic and see that a significant dent could be made in the current defensive set-up and some players are contributing little in real terms
The Squirrel
20 Mar 2013 11:08:26
Stop giving excuses and being an apologist.
19 Mar 2013 23:09:04
There's only one anfield legend retiring at the end of the season in my eyes. Certainly isn't that little jumped up bell end.
I wouldn't call Carra little mate.
19 Mar 2013 22:45:36
Hi, long time reader but haven't posted in ages.
Been thinking about the bigger picture. Liverpool is a massive business with huge revenues and potential profitability both on the pitch and off it. As with most big business I do not believe our very shrewd owners are thinking short or even medium term. I believe they are working to a 5 year plan at a minimum and we have to give them time to achieve this. Brendan Rogers hasn't been given a year or even two years to succeed I believe he has much longer than that to achieve success on the pitch. At the same time the blueprint for the stadium and regeneration of the area around Anfield is in place. The plan is to invest in youth both in the transfer market and through the already excellent academy. With great young players coming through or being bought coupled with a new stadium and a philosophy on the pitch that the whole club buys into we can achieve what we all want. Remember Sir Alex has been at Man United 20 years, in that time he has marshalled the club to where it is today and although I hate to admit it he has done it incredibly well. There has to be a similar plan at Liverpool, invest in the future. I know this means there will be some short term casualties. Stevie G may never win the league which is tragedy, we may lose great players like Suarez but the vision is a long term one. We have to have continuity - we have to have a plan for the future - next week or last week are only important if we learn from them. The end goal has to be years of success on the pitch with a conveyer belt of success to follow. This will only come by having a manager with the right philosphy in place and having time to implement it. In 20 years I hope we will be talking about "Sir" Brendan having knocked Man United off their f'in perch and having established a new dynasty where LFC is back to being the greatest club in the world. It won't happen overnight - maybe not even in 2 or 3 years. but we got to give him and FSG time.
Sorry for the long post
Paul
19 Mar 2013 21:52:32
Question to Ed001, I read a post that said you won't forgive Owen, Houllier or Phil Thompson for selling God because of Owen's whinging, I was just wondering what Owen was whinging about exactly? I thought as soon as Owen came into the Liverpool team he was the number 1 guy and everything ran through him anyways, so what did he have to moan about exactly? (sorry if this was common knowledge or well documented at the time, I'm only 16 and can't really recall anything about what happened with Liverpool before that time. ) {Ed001's Note - he wasn't the number 1 guy, God was, and that was the source of his constant whining. He didn't like to play with God, he wanted to play with someone who just deferred to him in everything - Heskey. He was a money grabbing get, he was always going to ditch us the moment someone else offered him more money.}
Sorry to disagree ed, but the story about Michael Owen and Robbie Fowler simply does not ring true. I was pretty close to Gerard Houllier and Phil Thompson at the time and there was no suggestion of Robbie Fowler being sold for those reasons.
Red Owl {Ed001's Note - if you say so, but ask yourself why God was dropped no matter how many he scored? You obviously weren't that close to them. Fowler himself alluded to it many times, I believe he even mentioned in his autobiography something to that effect, though it has been a long time since I read it, so I might be mistaken on that. By the way, there was every suggestion at the time, by both of them, that Fowler was sold because the preferred partnership was Owen and Heskey. Ask any club who had Fowler offered to them at the time, including Leeds, who jumped at the chance to take him.}
Houllier was often quoted as being a firm believer in "It didn't matter how much possesion a team had the only thing that mattered was what you did with it" Hence the clash between Houllier and Evans who believed in possesion pass and move football.
When we were totally outplayed to the point of embarrassing by Arsenal in the fa cup final only for Owen to steal the show with 2 late breakaway goals.
Houllier felt his whole football strategy had been vindicated (imo it set us back years for the sake of a couple of trophys)
Robbie Fowler would have been the main striker under Evans but had no chance in Houllier's brand of football.
There could have also been a bit of back biting in the background but I think it was mainly Houllier needed Owens pace for his system to work.
That's how I remember it.
20 Mar 2013 09:42:30
Spot on kidmillions. The one thing people have not mentioned is that houllier did not like the fact the Fowler was reverred so much. Even above Houllier himself. Had to get rid of him to be no1 himself but shothimself in the foot really. never forgave him for letting Robbie go.
Iggypop
Robbie Fowler's best years were behind him after the knee op lads. Owen was the way to go. Ed001 bangs on about the ruthletvess of Sir Bob Paisley - this would have had the same outcome under Paisley.
The Juicer
Houllier was at pains to point out around the time of getting rid of Fowler that no one player was bigger than the club.
The kop didn't really sing Owen or Heskey's name, but Fowler was idolised which didn't sit well with Houllier.
He loved the song "Who let the dogs out. though.
I remember Fowler was almost sold to pre Ambramovich Chelsea then managed by Raneiri only hours after scoring an extra time winner in the Carling Cup against Chelsea. The fee was £14m but apparently collapsed due to an injury, I think.
You can say your opinions all you want about houllier, Roy Evans etc. Why not include rafa Benitez too! What's the one thing they all have in common. Yeah that's right, they were all sacked after all of them got to a point where we were so close to the title and all built good squads to challenge, but stupid transfers were there downfall. Evans team in around 1996 was a good team but faded away because of silly transfers. Houllier had I think our best squad ever in the 2001/ 2002 seasons but again made stupid transfers, his biggest mistake was not buying anelka instead of diouf, diao and cheyeou etc. rafa Benitez won the champions league with houlliers squad apart from alonso and Garcia, but again he got us to a point where we only lost 2 games that season we finished 2nd and still didn't win the league, then the stupid transfers came in and he had lost the plot! I know fergie makes mistakes in the transfer market every now and then but he has always added quality and not quantity when it matters! That's why they are still winning leagues because of the squads he's built over the years, plus it helped with the youth they had!
Ed 001, I wasn't wishing to undermine your original comment unduly, but I really was close to both Gerard and Phil, plus Patrice, whose decision to return to France was a contributory factor to the eventual downfall of the Houllier era. My direct association with the club began when my ventilator ran out while watching a reserve team match at Anfield, at which point the stewards allowed my carers to wheel me into the reception area and plug the ventilator in. Graeme Souness, who was manager at the time, appeared and introduced himself. After we had been chatting for a while he invited me to Melwood and arranged for me to jump the queue for a season ticket. I visited Melwood on a weekly basis throughout his reign and we often spoke at some length. Graeme also introduced me to Phil Thompson and Tom Saunders, both true gentlemen, and Roy Evans, another man whom I have been privileged enough to call a good friend. When Gerard Houllier joined the club to work alongside Roy, he also befriended me and often made me cups of tea on particularly chilly Melwood mornings. Phil Thompson and Joe Corrigan often chatted with me about life at Liverpool, and it was only when I became ill during Rafas's reign that I stopped going to Melwood. I am therefore very confident that Robbie Fowler was not sold for the reasons you have suggested. I would suggest his sale was fitness-realated. Sorry for the long post.
Red Owl {Ed001's Note - if you say so, but I don't believe that, I know Owen constantly whined if he was played alongside Fowler, I heard him do so myself. Try looking at the times they played together and God would score and score and score and Owen hated it. I don't care how well you know Ged, that is a fact, and I hated the little rat for his whines.}
Ed, I feel you may be letting your anger impair your vision a little. I was not the biggest fan of the manner in which Michael Owen left Liverpool and I have no doubt at all that where as Robbie Fowler has Liverpool in his blood, Michael Owen has never really shared that connection. However, from first-hand experience, I know that Michael Owen was not responsible for Liverpool selling Robbie Fowler. Leeds made a very good offer for a player who had begun to experience fitness problems and the offer was accepted. It is fairly simple really. We need to move on and get over it. Robbie Fowler gave us some fantastic memories, but so too did Michael Owen, including the two goals that flattened the Gunners in the FA Cup Final. I was at Cardiff that day and I certainly have plenty to thank Michael Owen for, even though his comments since leaving Liverpool have annoyed me.
Red Owl {Ed001's Note - absolute rubbish, Leeds were offered God at a price, they matched it. It was not about Leeds jumping in with an offer Liverpool couldn't refuse at all. I think you are blinded by missing the fact that Ged, for all his good points, was a liar. He lied constantly to the players and caused so many issues with the local lads through it. Ask O'Leary himself, he will tell you they never thought that Fowler would leave Liverpool before he was offered to them.}
19 Mar 2013 21:52:02
Owen might as well of retired the day he left Anfield. He played abit at Madrid was injured all the time at Newcastle & has got a worthless title medal from the other lot. I don't think it will mean as much to him as the medals he won with us. He can't feel like he contributed he hardly played.
Still one more league title than Steven Gerrard or Jamie Carragher will ever have.
MEF
Yeah but at least Jamie and Stevie have EARNED all there medals
He was 4th choice behind Rooney, Berbatov & Hernandez. He scored 1 important goal against Citeh. Played mostly in league cup or dead champs leauge games. Even when on bench for Stoke how often does he get on? Just like El Niño deep inside he will rue the day he left. The season he left we signed Alonso & won Champs League they would have been a match made in heaven.
Yes one more league than our players but he was so up set when we did not resign him fergie had to call him to his house to have dinner and he felt sorry for him then he offered the chance to be a sub for man u
19 Mar 2013 21:15:06
I'm watching lfc tv, where did David Thompson end up after leaving Liverpool?
I thought he was a cracking little player when he broke into the team.
Thanks for any replys
thebritvickid
Coventry scored on anfield return 30 yard belter I was there.
Blackburn
Wigan
Then finished with an injury.
Thinking Blackburn? Good little player
Coventry city, Blackburn, maybe one or two others. The most talented 17/18 year old I ever saw. Should have been a star for us. His career was a real let down but was probably down to his attitude in the end, such a shame.
He could have been one of the greats.
Kev79
Played at Coventry and Blackburn for a while if I remember correctly I think injury may have curtailed his career somewhat.
DT
David Thompson - another one who crossed Houllier and was sold within weeks.
20 Mar 2013 14:15:31
I played against him For PNE B team back in the day. He scored as belter of a half volley. The mouthiest individual I've played against, good player though.
JohnBoy
19 Mar 2013 20:51:27
Way too much negativity on here!
Southampton was a blip, nothing more nothing less.
I still feel we can steal 4th. Spurs are all out to win the Europa League and are now faltering in the League AVB is too young and inexperienced to guide them through these choppy waters. Arsenal lack the depth and quality that we have so will inevitably fall away. Chelsea have tough FA cup comitments and Europa League to distract them. At Everton they are in chaos. We are best placed now to push on and grab 4th. The Southampton result was a welcome wake up call, now we must push on.
Rodgers has in two windows totally reshaped our squad so we are now comparable like for like with Europes best.
I am full of optimism for the future, we don't need huge player recruitment this summer. i'd be happy if we just get big Andy back, FSG cocked that up and left Brendan short up front. Andy will work better now Rodgers new system is in place.
So guys and gals chin up and cheer the lads on. We can and I suspect will get 4th!
OHAGAN
Geezer there is optimism and delusion, dare I say it your's is the latter.
DT
That is by far the best bit of spin I have ever been witness to. Hat's off to you sir!
HB
Aston Villa West Brom were they just blip's too?
19 Mar 2013 20:46:59
Dalglish was on a reported salary of around £3.5m while he was at Anfield and a tweet went viral when he left the club that read: "Kenny Dalglish has asked that the £8 million compensation owed to him after his sacking be put towards new Liverpool signings. Amazing gesture. "
Angry Liverpool fans then bombarded the Liverpool Echo with phone calls asking why the local paper had not reported Dalglish's gesture.
The Echo were forced to publish a reply saying: "The simple reason is it's not true. "
= (
19 Mar 2013 20:46:57
Michael Owen. you should have stayed with us
19 Mar 2013 20:43:53
How About we fire Rodgers
make Gerrard player manager
with J. Carrager assistant coach?
To be bantered!
Yeah and why not get jimmy triore back as defensive coach too
And poulsen as midfield coach
And Sean Dundee to coach the strikers
And eric meijer as the striker coach.
Voronin to help out suarez and sturridge too
And David James to brink Reina his mojo back
AJ
Dont forget torban pichnek (spelling)as defensive coach
19 Mar 2013 20:32:33
wow! Norwegian fan has changed his name to "Anfield!". Some would say he is crazy, but somehow we need fans who are a little crazy and a bit to passionate! Respect from here!
DanielDenmark
Are you sure it's not a she? Ann Field
That's a corker Kid!
DT
20 Mar 2013 01:39:54
Suarez's daughter is called Delfina - an anagram of Anfield. Coincidence or indicator of a life long dream? She was born six months before he joined us - August 2010.
19 Mar 2013 20:02:45
I was just reading some Liverpool forums and, although its obvious, this thought just occurred to me. In two years time there is the possibility, however slight, that Manchester United could have 5 European Cups and 22 League titles. I know that as fans most of us would like to build the team gradually and work our way back to the top, but how would you all feel if Manchester United managed this? What could we brag about then? Biggest British club- MU, Most valuable British club - MU, Most European cups - MU & L'Pool, Most League titles - MU, Most FA cup wins - MU, Most sanctimonious, bitter, bullying manager - MU. We still beat them on league cups though!
When I think of the future like this makes my skin crawl. C'mon BR, let's make this next transfer window count.
BELIEVER
19 Mar 2013 19:48:16
eds, just wondering if the players are fully behind br or is there unrest in the dressing room? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea. If the players are as fickle as the fans then there will be one week but not the next.}
19 Mar 2013 19:38:21
Liverpool lose a game and inpatient fans want Rodgers head and half the squad sold, then pull names from tv gossip column that we should snap up in the summer for silly money. I personally believe we have a very good manager in Rodgers and can see the improvements he has made. Add to that the opportunities he is providing the youth players to ensure that the promising youngsters are given a fair chance to impress, something we have not seen during the last decade.
Going back to people being inpatient, it is sad to see that this is becoming a regular trait of club owners ala Chelsea, Blackburn who prove the point that they know nothing about football and just expect instant succes coupled with more revenue. I'm glad Liverpool will be showing faith in Rodgers and at the same time adding a bit of stability to the club.
Just my thoughts
IMH
Glad to see the tangible signs of progress have been recognised by some of us despite the knee jerk reaction to Saturday's defeat.
DT
19 Mar 2013 19:25:42
Hi Eds
Do you think there is any chance from the following or do you no of any intrest in them from us cheers.
Isco
Albiol
Susaeta
A. Herrera - Bilbao
Wanyama
Capel
Diame
Jeffren
REDAN {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}
19 Mar 2013 18:52:05
here we go all over again, we loose one game an every body is looking for rodgers head on a plate, when we beat spurs I came on to this site an guess what dere wasnt one bad coment about rodgers, we are going in the right direction as a club an if we get the right players durin the summer who knows where we can be come this time next year, all we can do is hope an support the club we all love. dresdon
19 Mar 2013 18:52:00
mowu with hungry playntoya of barca will come in for 1 season till mc laughlin is ready
coady will come in for more games defensive midfield will be alonso, shelvey and lucas till coady ready (well done jonjo for getting down to hard work) centre back looks like williams but I believe we need two more as young centre backs 5 years off first team
goalkeeper should be second string but experienced someone like friedel
attack we need pace someone who can run at defenders and make them turn we must look to benfica here
lastly 20 million before sales whilst out of europe is ok as we must build a squad of young hungry players
19 Mar 2013 18:34:15
Alex Song anyone. I for one think his class and isn't in the barca team that often so there could be some movement from him to another club
As if he would want to come to a club that is in a decline
Decline? Well he was quite happy at arsenal for a while. Lol
MIKEY
Mikey. at least arsenal are a team half way up the hill, not lying at the bottom with the wheels fallen off, and they got up the hill under their on steam without help from rich benefactors, the sooner FFP rules come in the better to sort these clubs out, because its well documented lfc and chelsea where almost bankrupt until the sugar daddies bailed them out, so by rights both of you shouldn't even be in the prem league,
I've mentioned song a few times of late, he has not settled in barcelona and is looking to return!
I don't we are the bottom FSG the hill mate
Mikey
i forgot. LOL
Half way up the hill yes but stuck there. We however are on our way back up.
MIKEY
Song is not that good. Pass
In theory a nice idea problem is even when players move down to lower ranking clubs often they still want a raise wages would put us off I would imagine if he wanted to come
19 Mar 2013 18:27:26
People on this site make me laugh, I come on here everyday to see what people have to say, some have good points and some are just pathetic, what really frustrates me is when people go on about transfer targets, you lot keep asking the same questions over and over and over and over again, how the EDs don't have a nervous breakdown is beyond me! plus the lack of peoples intelligence on this site makes me laugh! You know who you are, for example. The people who keep going on about Andy Carroll need to accept that he was the biggest most expensive transfer mistake in our history and is a drunk! People who moan about Rodgers get on my nerves too, give the guy a chance instead of spitting your dummies out every time we get beat, managers need time to sort out the team out and get the players they want! This is his 1st season and has been left with a huge job trying to sort out the mess left by previous managers, my god it's took him this long to start getting the best out of Henderson and downing, Enrique looks like one of the best left backs in premiership again after losing his form last season! Allen and Borini etc. need time but you lot won't give them it! Your even slating sturridge because he's not scored in the last two games after having a niggling injury, so just get a grip and be patient will you! If your so against us then go support someone else because I'm sick of plastic supporters like most of you lot!
Jamie
Where's your magic torch.
You legend
Anonymous woolback
You make some solid points but tbh i'm sick of reading fans moaning at other fans be the bigger man and just let them be
19 Mar 2013 17:54:22
This is what happens when you hire a midtable manager, we didn't learn from our mistakes when we hired Roy.
Midtable manager= midtable mentality.
Now we are getting beat by 3 goals every now and then, oh dear how much can a passionate fan take.
How much more can the real fans take off the likes of yourself and your non stop moaning?
MIKEY
19 Mar 2013 18:31:37
Sound like your not as passionate as u think mate give BR time see how the summer goes and see how we do next season.
The players and the manager do not have a winning mentality they are too used to getting beat that it is normal for them were as good teams are devastated when they get beat and go all out to stop it happening again we just accept it, and live in hope.
If your no good your no good and br is in that category sadly.
A bit disrespectul to football fans in general. There are fans out there who regulary see their team struggle but they don't weep like you!
Read my post to M mister anonymous.
M signs his name and backs up his arguement with some solid points. I have much respect for him even though I disagree with some of his points.
Please do the same, so people can have a valid discussion with you. Otherwise, you just seem as someone who wishes to antagonize.
Davey Sulls
19 Mar 2013 19:23:29
Dave demix we are not talking about other clubs here we are talking about Liverpool fc. Rodgers is and will remain small time manager.
Your right mate, I mean look at what happened when we got that bloke from a real lower team, what was his name again?
Oh I remember now, Bill Shankly.
RNred
People who come out with this carp about us being the great LFC - you talk as though we have a god given right to be at the top of the table. Yeah we'd all love to be challenging for the league every season, but you seriously lack understanding of where we are as a club, we are paying the price for bad transfer dealings over the last 10 years and FSG are making every effort to drive the club forward in a sustainable way. Other clubs namely Arsenal, Spurs and Everton have had a much better return on their outlay for players and we simply don't have the luxury of breaking the bank for players like Manchester United and to a larger extent Chelsea and Manchester City have in recent seasons. BR, FSG, the players and the fans all want the same thing.
DT
19 Mar 2013 17:51:42
Lets be clear about this. BR is way out of his depth and needs to go by Xmas - he simply won't cut the mustard.
Equally we need to clear the decks and raise more money to rebuild the squad.
Who would begrudge the sale of Stevie G to allow him to get a Premiership medal - let's be honest, we won't win the League for years with this squad.
We may as well cash in now and get some money for him - all players are commodities for the club and he has served the Club well.
Equally the sale of Suarez, Skirtl & Agger, along with other fringe players will provide ample revenue for a complete overhaul of the team.
It may seem like the decimation of the spine of the team - but it will be for the greater good and no team should remain static with players past their prime.
It's time to take radical steps, we haven't won the title for over 22 years - It's simply unacceptable for a club like ours.
The sale of key players has always allowed the Club to move forward. it time for a radical change of team personnel.
M
Needs to go by xmas? You having a laugh or what? Xmas was nearly 3 months ago Duggghhhhhhh
RD
Your not a Liverpool fan. If your going to come on our page to banter at least make an effort.
MIKEY
While your at it discover how pigs can develop wings and fly.
M, I know that your opinion is one shared by a few others on here but its one I cannot disagree with more.
The problem you need to understand is that Liverpool will take a manager more than one season to get back to where we need to be and this includes top four. Changing manager every season will get us nowhere.
I think there have been many very impressive performances this season aswell as not so impressive but on the whole the football is very attractive and with the right players I feel will be very successful.
There have been some possible mistakes in the transfer market but there have also been successes. Name me a top manager and I will name poor players he has bought. The fact is, this happens and for this reason it normally takes a manager a few transfer markets to get the right squad to fit his ideas.
I do not believe that Rodgers is out of his depth. He seems to be dealing with the enormous pressure quite well and from what I read seems to be targeting the right areas for improvement this summer, ie. a couple of CBs, a DM and RW.
With major improvements in these areas we will significanlty improve again next season.
We got to realise that 6th, while not an gigantic improvement would be an improved season. I do not take cup successes as a measure of a teams strength. Any team can put a cup run together (Wigan may well be in the FA cup final this year, Bradford in the League cup final). Ultimately its the clubs league position that determines where they are at and I feel 6th which is very possible will be a good improvement, get us Europe and take us into next season where hopefully further improvement will be made.
We are not a club with billions but we have a young squad and I think this year we have achieved what Kenny failed to do in my opinion which is stability.
To me Rodgers is ultimately an excellent young coach who's improving his mangement skills well and will continue to improve and grow with the club and its young squad if we stick by him, much like Ferguson who showed like promise without achieving initial goals.
To hit home my point, we will continue to go backwards if we continue to fire managers.
Aswell as yet another payoff which we can only assume does affect the transfer budget, who do you want to get to manage the club. First a new manager will have a new style, new ideas and so will have to start all over again. He will not know the squad anywhere near as well as Rodgers does now after a season, will not have the transfer targets identified and background work done, and the players would need to learn new methods to ones they are now coming accustomed to.
You posted your post on the result of a Southampton game where mistakes were made by Rodgers I agree.
We play better with three recognised midfielders and Allen was injured and should not have taken Lucas's place. Everyone makes mistakes. I believe Rodgers will play with a 3 in midfield next season once he has added the players and we will be vastly improved. But we need to a least give the man a chance.
Davey Sulls.
M, I do agree with the Sales to overhaul although I feel others might not.
Particualrly Agger. if we were offered 20 mill for him I would definitely take it. Defensively they're are better out there even though he is fantastic with the ball.
I'd keep Suarez if we can though.
Davey Sulls/
Which christmas?
If we had beaten Southampton on Saturday and gone 6 pts off the top four you would not have posted this in my opinion.
Thats why patience is a virtue.
If like clubs who sell there best players please go and support Arsenal.
To Davey
You make some valid and reasoned points.
However for a club of our stature not to have won the League for nigh on 22 years is astonishing.
Was it a brave step appointing BR or merely a cost cutting exercise?
Was it forward thinking or did FSG want someone who is media friendly and ultimately under their control.
KD should never have been sacked and in reality to appoint a rookie manager who has won absolutely nothing is courting with calamity.
I don't begrudge BR, his brand of football is decent. but it is also naive.
We are not a club where a manager learns his trade, we are a club which must have a winning manager.
M {Ed001's Note - didn't Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish all learn their trade as a manager at Liverpool?}
M I agree about your comment about Kenny shouldn't have been sacked. I thought we had been brilliant defensively that season and also good in attack (looking at the chances we created rather than goals scored). I think it all goes back to Andy Carroll. If the 35 million was spent on a player worthy of that price tag then KD will still be here. No point in crying over spilled milk but, Rodgers can be our man.
derryred
That's why you're the guv'nor 01!
DT {Ed001's Note - the day a manager stops learning is the day they should get the sack, in my opinion.}
19 Mar 2013 17:29:11
This business of only signing young players with potential is driving me round the bend!
Am I the only one who believes youth and experience is the right blend? All our winning sides had that blend, so could someone explain this to Rodgers/FSG? Class players are class players whether they are young, mature or old. !1
We have experience in the squad.
We have reina, carra, gerrard, Johnson, agger, Suarez, Lucas, Enrique. Etc etc etc.
We simply don't have the money to buy fully established stars.
MIKEY
I disagree. Buy young but buy quality!
For 16 million pounds I think that could buy a high quality player if spent wisely.
You win the league in the season so you should have a team who can have a go in that season and not try to live in the future we live in the here and now.
19 Mar 2013 17:20:52
a messiah once said judge us over a seaon and the table does not lie. well the king got dethroned and was banished from the promise land a year on do you think you have made progress
Yes we have.
MIKEY
Yes I think we have. If you compare the squad we had for the first half of the season with the one KK had last season, we did very well to be in the top half. If you look at the amount of money KK spent and who he spent it on compared to BR. I would consider that vast improvements. BR has not yet had a full season, KK had a season and a half. Second half of last season we had relagation form and had one of the worst goal scoring ratios in the league. this season we sit in 3rd place. Furthermore this team would beat last seasons team which had: jay spearing and charlie 'the sloth'adam. Along with andy carroll. Last season we built our team around carroll, now we build it around suarez. We are now 7th with hopes of at finishing 6th or 5th. Last season we finished 8th. the worst in 54 years. That my friend is called improvement.
Yes, progress has been made.
Is this the same dude posting all anti br comments?
I enjoyed three weekends away at wembley stadium last yr mate and but for the injury to Lucas we would have finished a lot higher in the league. Rodgers three summer signings Allen Borini and Assadi. have performed no better than Kenny. s summer signings of Downing Henderson and Enrique. I am willing to give rogers ago, But I am sick of fans slagging Kenny off. he gave supporters what they most wanted last season Cup wins agains Manchester United Everton Chelsea and Man City. I loved every moment of them victorys. We had some great memories from Kennys reign, But some fans who probably didn't witness them first hand just want to mention Carroll to have ago at Dalglish. Support Brendan but don't try and convince me he's achieved more than Dalglish did because our cup runs and victories last season meant more to me than finishing 2 places higher this season.
Definitely!
We're playing better.
We've scored more,
We're on course for a better finish than last year with a weaker squad than last year.
But some problems still need to be sorted out like our defence, our ability to buy players and even some of our fickle fans need to be addressed
But overall I think progress is clear to see!
19 Mar 2013 17:16:28
Just watching the Owen clips on sly regarding him retiring and the clip when he scores against citeh for you no who and it makes my blood boil watching him celebrate in that shirt.
You are right it was magnificent goal
We all know what he was about money money money and good luck to him I just wish he would have let rafa know earlier that he was going.
Well he left before Rafa had managed a game. How much notice do you wan him to give? Should he have rang Rafa whilst he was Valencia manager?
Michael Owen's best career moment I'd say, great goal
HB
Obviously not as much of a fan as you think I remember Rafa leaving him on the bench for a Champions League qualifier, I'm pretty sure Carragher has stated that Rafa didn't fancy Owen much as a player which was a shock to the system as Carra and Gerrard really looked up to him as their careers were developing.
DT {Ed001's Note - Rafa came in to an Owen requesting a transfer, Rafa literally begged him to reconsider as we didn't have another striker option. Owen refused to even consider it as Madrid were offering him a huge amount of money. Rafa certainly did want Owen as a player for us.}
And Rafa tried to resign him from Madrid but the rat joined Souness at Newcastle. MO Money!
MidlandRed
Owen went to newcastle because madrid owed money for the injured centre half newcastle sold them and owen did let rafa down that's why we got nunez in the deal as rafa had no time to buy another forward.
19 Mar 2013 17:12:19
Hi eds I know you say its to early to know whos coming
But if you were Brendan Rodgers who would you sign realistically
Thanks {Ed002's Note - Please read the posts.}
19 Mar 2013 19:02:16
Why ask that? So the eds can say who they would theoretically sign, then everyone thinks we're signing them and the eds get it in the neck when a) they don't sign and b) supporters don't like their choices!? This question gets asked a million times a day and no actually does what Ed2 suggests and reads the f-ing posts!
How are the eds meant to know who we're signing when Brendan probably doesn't even know himself?!
19 Mar 2013 17:04:42
What if this site went down for one day! I assume there'll be world peace.
Bas!cs
19 Mar 2013 17:53:26
After a defeat, it almost looks like people come on just to press the disagree button.
I've seen IMO some really good posts recently, putting our loss into perspective, and they are getting shot down big time.
It's sad because it seems that a lot of modern day football fans expect instant gratification, the phrase patience is a virtue has never been more relevant to football than it is today IMO
DT
19 Mar 2013 16:50:18
Don't get me wrong, I want to give Rodgers every chance to prove himself, and I am prepared to give him time and a couple more transfer windows to buy the players he wants, but some of his behaviour puzzles me, it's always been the Liverpool way NOT to change a winning team, so why does he do it?, he play's players out of their natural position (Sahin e. g. ), some of his defending philosophy e. g. not using a defender on the posts at free kicks, (if we had one at St. Marys they would not have scored from the free kick) buying players like Assaidi and not playing them? what's that about? now I hear some senior players think he is out of his depth, I think he is stubborn and inflexible, any thoughts?
Redgeorge
I'm sad to say that your points are true! I like Rodgers but I think some of his decisions leave a lot to be desired; from letting Carroll go without giving him a chance in the 'system'; what system? Assaidi is never played, his changing of the team is baffling and I can believe players see through rubbish eventually. bad for us mate. We have the players to be much better.
I really wish people would get over saying give Andy Carroll a chance, he had plenty at Liverpool and it showed he ain't good enough it's as simple as that! We wasted 35 million on a drunk! What has he ever done? How many goals has he scored for west ham? 2 is it? Pathetic! Now move on
Can't say I agree with your tactical ideas about defending free kicks.
FL Redfish, thanks for your comment on the defense, so we should keep on leaking goals from corners and free kicks? what is your solution then? I at least gave a possible answer to the problem.
19 Mar 2013 16:45:57
It's nearing the end of the season, so:
Whos everyone's Liverpool player of the season?
Young Liverpool player of the season?
And underrated Liverpool player of the season?
For me it's Suarez (obvious)
Sterling (just ahead of suso for me)
And Enrique (not perfect but has been solid at times this year)
MIKEY
Suarez
Wisdom
Henderson
Suarez Wisdom and Hendo
The Irish Rover
19 Mar 2013 17:56:58
Suarez
Wisdom (just because I think less was expected of him)
Shelvey ( Scored some crucial goals early on. Was always going to be really difficult to keep that form up)
Suarez for player of the year.
Henderson for Young player of the year
Henderson for underrated player.
Suarez and Wisdom without a doubt mate.
DT
19 Mar 2013 16:20:32
The fans that are calling for new owners careful what u wish for look at the turmoil blackburn are in a once big club got owners who haven't a clue were as we have owners who SAVED us and seem to have steady the ship I think they deserve a lot of credit no moaners just get behind there project JOHN HENRY and CO YNWA JON96
I don't think there's a problem with the owners as they have proven to be pretty good with the finances for players it's how and who is wasting it is the main problem. Ok a sheik or Mid East royal family coming in would be great to put us directly back where we belong at the top of Europe let's wait and see
19 Mar 2013 16:13:24
I like the style of football that BR is trying to play and I can see that the team is starting to benefit, but my worry is this. BR, it seems, wants relatively small players that are mobile and can pass and control the ball in tight areas/situations, with good skill and movement. Is it just me or isn't this what Arsene Wenger has been trying to do for the last 5-6 years? And if a man of Arsenes experience hasn't managed it, with the talent he had at his disposal, is this really the road we want to travel down?
Thoughts,
BELIEVER
19 Mar 2013 15:53:54
He ED thanks for doing a great job.
To all Liverpool fans and supporters after our defeat at Southampton theirs been a question that has been bugging me. we started of the game really slow, wasn't holding or passing the ball well, but half time we was still in the game 2-1. We came out in the second half and pretty much played like we did in the first half with few chances. the thing that's is bugging me to all my Liverpool fans is: is this the players or the managers fault? when the players came out in the second half playing the same performance and end up losing the game 3-1 PEOPLE TALK TO ME!!
19 Mar 2013 15:48:00
£60 million for Cavani? That should make Luis Suarez valuation around £120million then. Seriously though If Napoli are demanding £60m for Cavani all that talk of Liverpool listening to offers for Suarez for £40m is to be laughed at. DBol {Ed002's Note - Whatever Napoli ask for Cavani has nothing whatsoever to do with Suarez.}
Twice as good as cavani? your so deluded.
If cavani had it in him to get himself lengthy bans nearly every season for various reasons, drag the clubs name down in interviews etc I'm sure he would have lower price tag a well.
Footballing wise Suarez is worth a lot of money, his attitude drags his price down.
MIKEY
There's no point putting a price tag on Suarez because he's going nowhere! Anyway why do you care how much Cavani will cost? The Uruguayan FA are funding his move to Liverpool, remember?!
Ed your wrong. It happens all the time in football. For example we paid 16m for hend so Swansea said that makes Allen worth 16m.
Rubbish post MIKEY. If Suarez was doing all those things, then the other teams should NOT be interested in him, but they are because they see like everyone else that he is an outstanding player.
AG where have you been for the past 18 months? And did you miss the whole biting thing and the handball?
Suarez is a fine player but causes the teams he plays for a lot of bother. Liverpool I'm sure have considered letting him go several times for his antics. He has several teams interested in him because he is one of the best players in the world and some teams don't mind as much as others about bad PR.
But his antics have very much lowered his pricetag should he have one.
IMO he is a better player than cavani although there isn't much in it. But cavani doesn't cause the trouble Suarez does.
MIKEY
We got suarez because he missed so much football at ajax their fans loved him and so do we but he brings a lot more to the table than football. , hope he stays though because he is keeping us going.
Of course it does Ed002 when there was talk of City wanting Agger, BR came out with this.
"Thiago Silva has left AC Milan for PSG for £40million. He [Agger] is one of the leading players in European football, so it is going to be a big valuation.
So yeh it does
DBol {Ed002's Note - No, it just makes him a flake.}
MIKEY, ofcourse I understand what you are saying (other teams trying to use Suarez's behaviour as a leverage to get a better deal for him). But at the same time, to say that other teams do not care about bad PR as much as LFC is wrong. The thing is, these teams are willing to overlook his behaviour on the pitch because of his ability. Hence they are interested. This should not been seen as a reason to lower his value.
The real AG
Mickey, you would not be talking about him if he was not a great player. Carp players don't get talked about.
If the reason I gave for his value is not right then please enlighten me.
I agree all clubs care about PR, but not all clubs care as much as Liverpool, no way. One reason is every club has different sponsors. Ours seem quite conservative and would rather walk away than back a club that supports some of the behaviour Suarez has shown over the years. Standard chartered wanted out last year after all. It's probably the fact Suarez has cleaned up his act massively that they are still with us.
Suarez has a lot of interest from Italy and I'm not too sure they care as much about PR as they do over here. You only have to look at AC Milan for an example.
Anyway I do think all this convo is for nothing as I don't see him getting sold. I can't see clubs offering more than £40 million for him and I can't see Liverpool taking that.
But yeah I do stand by what I said about his value being affected by his behaviour. I still say we got him quite cheap considering his talent. If he didn't munch on an opponent in holland we could have been paying a good 10m more for him. That's if he didn't end up at Madrid or barca.
MIKEY
Fair point. I see what you are saying. But I think there is a very good chance he might leave MIKEY.
The real AG
Cavani is a magnificent player a real predator in the box - Falcao, Cavani, Suarez, RVP, Neymar are the top 5 strikers in World football IMO.
19 Mar 2013 15:37:48
I think Alonso would be a great signing for us, he is a player who could play well into his thirties IMO.
I think he would come at decent money, I know he would not fit the so called FSG profile but he would be a gem and another experienced player in those games where we seem to fall apart so easily.
Would rather sign him than waste £10/15m on another average player to make the numbers up.
His wages might cost £10/15 million.
The Irish Rover
I don't know, he may well really want to return to us and accept an FSG performance contract and should be rewarded if we do well :-)
19 Mar 2013 14:22:51
No need for the Marty Skrtel bashing as well.
If he, and the rest of the team, had gone about their business in the first half as they did in the second, we wouldn't have got beat at Southampton.
Skrtel put in some storming sliding tackles, and was all over Lambert in the second half.
Yes he got caught for their breakaway.
But this dismantling of the players by some supporters?
Liverpool never played well on the day.
That's it.
Come off it mate Skrtel was shocking against the Saints.
We did not lose at the weekend because of Skirts, if cara had played we still would have lost. People bashing last years player of the season need to take a step back!
The teams attitude was all wrong, we were poor and IMO Rogers should have given them a kick up the backside rather than a pat on the back after the game.
Skrtel's performance against saints was absolutely horrible. No commentary on his career at LFC on the whole, but he honesty looks like he doesn't care to be out there now. Both the first and the third goal he could shoulder much of the blame. Not getting goal side on the first and alarmingly not wanting to tackle to cause the third. He was content to jockey 10 yards and eventually getting turned off balance. If I also recall his leap over lambert led to the free kick on the second. Watched the match again the other day to focus on individual performances. Skrtel on many occasions didn't even extend himself to block shots. Shocking, lack of drive and just lazy. He is a great defender IMO opinion, but that game put a lot of doubt in that statement. Hope he can turn it around.
Why? Skrtel was pants on saturday. he wasn't bothered and has been very poor this season. He signed a contract not so long ago knowing that he would be staying for a while and ofcourse with an increased financial package. If he can't be motivated to play for LFC, we have every reason to 'bash' him.
If you want to bash some one jump on the pitch and have ago at him. He would batter you.
I have to be honest and say that I would not be unhappy if we had 4 new centre backs at the start of next year.
I love Agger but the amount of times he has let his man run off him to score from set pieces this season is shocking.
Skertel was brilliant last season but has been rubbish this season and then he starts moaning about not being played and then when he does play he is carp. He alone has cost us 4 pts against Man City this season due to individual errors so I won't be crying when he leaves. Disappointed for Coates but I don't think Brendan thinks he is quick and mobile enough to be a CB for Liverpool.
It says a lot about Carragher that we still need him and it also says a lot about our defense!
I would keep Agger, sell Skertel and Coates and move Kelly into CB. buy two more and then we might stop leaking goals.
Yeah for some reason Skrts has get the most abuse directed at him, sorry allen as well, when there are other players on hat pitch who merited a clip around the ear as well.
To the 6th poster from above, what a well-thought comment you vegetable! he would bash anyone who comes near him eh Martin Skrtel?
The discussion was centred around Martin Skrtel getting unfair stick, not me or anyone else trying our hand at 'bashing' him on the pitch.
The real AG
19 Mar 2013 14:16:45
Hearing rumours that some senior players are unhappy with BR - but this would seem inconsistent with BR selection of players.
Anyone have any information? A few names have been suggested but probably just guesses. Also what are their problems with him?
Or is the speculation just rubbish?
I heard a few weeks ago that certain players were unhappy with Rodgers. I have heard that the more senior players feel like many supporters that he is way out of his depth.
Oh aye?
Where were you last week then?
Brought to you by the same people that said Torres, snijder and Sanchez were coming in jan. any thing I have seen like interviews all player are happy with the management
Well, it would it certainly seem Sahin didn't care much for him anyway.
What the guy who was sent back from his lone early is not happy with the manager. even carroll has not been sent back from his one with 2 goals for the season.
Senior players would be reina, carra, agger, skrtel, lucas, gerrard, suarez.
carra is retiring and reina, agger, lucas and suarez have been in the press announcing how happy they are of late.
gerrard is playing his best football in nearly 2 years.
so that leaves skrtel and he should be more concerned with his own performances!
s. p
Why don't you name names rather than feed the anti- BR sentiment?
DT
19 Mar 2013 14:15:05
1 loss, everyone started to question BR. I think he made a mistake in resting Carra as the match shows Skrtel had no passion who us at fault for 1st goal and he might have done something to stop third goal. Allen is much better in Lucas role than Hendo. So that's the point in having Allen in starting 11 as Lucas as niggle. I think BR should work on Sturridge tracking back and pressing.
Give BR some time. We can't change managers every season and our owners also not Sheikhs to give every manager some 100m transfer kitty. There is improvement in our team. We are defensively weak and if he improve us with his summer signings, we are pretty much good time.
P. S We are little bit carried away by our current form and also spurs result gave us more frustration as our win would have brighten our top 4 chances. I think this is reason for so much negativity in our forum
ynwa
Sktrel was fine second half.
The J
You are right about getting carried away but "Allen is much better in Lucas role than Hendo", had to disagree with you there out of principle
19 Mar 2013 13:51:44
Goalkeeper; Guillermo Ochoa, on bosman
Center Back; Stefan de Vrij £8mil
Center Back; Carlos Zambrano £5mil
Left Back/Center Back; Cheikh M'Bengue £5.5mil
Defensive Mid; Manuel Iturra, on bosman
Midfielder (all rounder); Kevin Prince Boateng £16mil
Winger; Dusan Tadic £10.5mil
Striker; Kevin Gameiro £7.5mil
spending £52.5million
Carroll £12m
Skrtel £15m
Coates £6.5m
Assaidi £4m
Spearing £2m
Ngoo £2m
Borini £7m
Pacheco £500k
£35million
net spending £17.5m
Who is going to give you the money you have quoted for our players - NO-ONE.
I don't think his prices are that far out! £2 million for Spearing for example, that's believable, give or take half a million this poster has it pretty close IMO!
Off course, it would help if the original poster could count.
The Irish Rover
19 Mar 2013 18:03:42
I'd have to agree. Although Skrtels price may be slightly optimistic!
19 Mar 2013 18:37:30
Dusan tadic would and a good signing and Stefan de vrij.
19 Mar 2013 13:48:14
Hi ed's a question not a rumour how true are the £20 million kitty rumours, with record tv deal's coming in next year surely there should be more in the pot than that {Ed002's Note - There is no point trying to explain the finances as it only serves to confuse.}
19 Mar 2013 13:26:00
Hi eds.
Any new info on potential targets for CB?
Do you know which type of a player BR and the scouts are looking for? E. g. preferred foot, current league, style?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - Feet and hairstyle are probably not criteria the club considers players by.}
19 Mar 2013 13:54:18
Haha ED2
19 Mar 2013 13:25:09
Eds:
I know you can't tell the future, but with Carragher definitely moving on, and the big possibilities of Coates and Skrtel as well, can we expect at least 2 CB's in the summer? I'd imagine Kelly coming back and Wisdom's natural position being CB we'd hope to see them more as well. {Ed002's Note - This has been done to death already.}
19 Mar 2013 13:21:59
Hello Fellow Kopites,
what is your take on us targetting Ashley Williams as a replacement for JC?
I personally really rate Rodgers highly and really think he can do well with us given some time but he really needs to look beyond the players he has previously worked with. I mean Williams is not really what we need to partner Agger. The need is for a much more physical and dominating CB someone like Benatia or Cheikhou Kouyaté or kyriakos papadopoulos.
And its not like they would cost much more than what SAwansea would demand so this time I really hope FSG stand their ground like they did with Dempsey and block this transfer especially is Swansea demand anything more than 6 million for him.
Agree, look at the money wasted on Allen who at best is worth £7m.
BR said they look to have a group of players for the same position just in case they don't get the no1 target, I reckon we always end up at the last one on the list :-) due to the wages and age restrictions in place by the owners.
Personally I don't expect much to happen in terms of transfers from BR and the owners due to us not being in Europe possibly. If anything it will be another cost saving window.
From now on we shouldn't ever get our hopes up thinking we will sign high quality players as quite simply LFC is no longer a top side.
Please please please, NO WILLIAMS
19 Mar 2013 13:21:06
Does anyone think it would be better next season buying a left back and pushing Enrique to left side of midfield?
19 Mar 2013 12:55:15
Although I don't think Joe Allen is quite cut out to play for a big club like Liverpool I hope his op is successful and wish him a speedy recovery
19 Mar 2013 12:36:19
elllo fellow reds, do you think if we don't get Europe next season (which it looks like we won't now) Rodgers will be sacked? just want your opinions personally I would like to see him stay but would like your views
cheers {Ed002's Note - Why not read the posts?}
A experienced manager required to put us back where we belong amongst the elite of Europe why and w a
Once again this is a transition year. Last year we struggled to put the ball in the back of the net scoring 47 and conceding 40 now this year 57 and conceded 39. Rodgers has sorted out our attacking goal threat and I believe through the summer he will sort out defensive mistakes out and bring in some fresh faces who will help LFC out. If we hold on to our main players and gain some good players through the summer, next year will be an exciting year.
FowlerGod.
Isn't every year a transition year.
19 Mar 2013 12:13:53
Greetings from the planet Mars, as you all know, we painted our planet Red a long time ago in honour of your great Earth Football club Liverpool. Anyway, here is a distant point of view on LFC. Liverpool more or less have good enough players to put together a team to get to champs league spot. Maybe we need 1 or 2 additions in the summer, but not a complete overhaul. Daniel Sturridge has only been at the club 2 months and is scoring. We've been creating chances and scoring goals all season, which is way different from the season before. True, we've been leaking goals also, but the same defense was rock solid under Steve Clark. I think we only need a few tweeks here and there, the manager to get the team tactics right, certain players to settle into the club and we're there, in the top 4 next season. Cheer up fellow Reds, as we say on Mars, You Will Never Fly Alone.
Martin the Martian
I don't think you have been getting the correct news on Mars about LFC. We have been rubbish! Out of both domestic cups, out of Europe, overpriced players and a manager who is way out of his depth. By the way if there are any little green men football stars up there we will pay £35m for them!
You are lightyears wide of the mark! :)
HB
Nano nano
19 Mar 2013 11:57:39
I'd have to disagree with ed001 about michael owen. He came through at just the right time for us, when Robbie Fowler had that bad knee injury in the derby match.
He was clearly the way forward for the club, and no one moaned at the time.
It is a great shame he left the way he did, and never picked up a European Cup medal. Terrible choice about going to the Mancs though.
But he was a fantastic player for Liverpool, and you can't say otherwise.
The Juicer
Money grabbing Traitor! Turncoat! Judas! He could of been a LFC legend like Stevie or Jamie! Now he's just a has been who can't get into Stoke's side!
19 Mar 2013 11:55:53
Im sorry to say this but we just can't compete with the top four anymore, the game is all about money and we need about 100 million to spend this transfer window. Man u, chelsea, man city, totenham and even arsenal are going to go and spend millions this summer and leave us further behind we just can't compete financialy with any of these clubs mentioned above.
The truth is we have been behind the top four clubs for years and years.
Utter nonsense by a non named poster
Complete truth. We have been behind the top four for years and are lagging behind even further. Bad players, bad manager.
And another thing we only play well when the pressure is off. When we really need a result or performance we go to pieces sat was a good example.
So we can't compete financially? Why are you moaning about it, envy? This is a supporters site. Try supporting rather than looking for a sugar daddie's lap to sit on.
19 Mar 2013 11:52:28
Hey all, a question to Macca;
What are your thoughts on BR and what is the general consensus at the club? Are they still happy giving him time?
Also do you know of any possible summer additions, or is it too early to say?
Would be great to hear from you!
19 Mar 2013 11:33:16
I thought Micheal Owen officially retired from playing football the day he signed for Stoke City?
Geordie fan here. Michael Owen retired from playing football when he signed for us for £16.5m. He cost us £1. 25m per goal for the four seasons he was at the club. He cost us £130,000 a week in wages. He was always injured, he commuted daily by helicopter and when we got relegated he done a runner. When Stoke were at St James a couple of weeks ago he did not even come out of the dug out during the whole match and did not warm up at half-time - coward.
You got us back by selling us Carroll though mate.
Who you can gladly have back again in Summer.
The Chuckle Brothers
Owen scored 26 goals for newcastle so he was considerably cheap at 0. 635m per goal
19 Mar 2013 12:10:14
I don't know what it is with all the Sturridge bashing over the last few days.
The lad did no better or no worse than the other ten LFC players on the park. In fact, most of the problems were behind him.
The team was outfought and harried in the first half, could have actually been 3 or 4 down at half time, and then you're having to force it and play catch up in awful conditions.
Sturridge held the ball up very well on punts upfield. Other than that, I am afraid it was mostly that leaden, methodical build up play that catches no one out.
The J
The real Daniel Sturridge has been found out, lazy and shows no passion. that's why his previous clubs got rid of him. {Ed002's Note - You clearly have no understanding of such matters at all.}
He at least acknowledged and gave the fans a clap after the match, some of them couldn't get off the field fast enough.
The J
He's been injured most of this season, he has already shown that he has the potential to be a quality player for us.
BR got the January signings spot on IMO shame about all the money wasted in the summer of average players.
19 Mar 2013 11:19:35
What do you think of Rafa as director of football and overseer of the academy. If he could work with Rogers then we would have strong foundations. There again can Rafa be a team player.
Owenshamstring
19 Mar 2013 12:05:03
Mate Rafa has strong bond with Liverpool fans, did you see how fans were singing his name against spurs or wigan, that will be the biggest mistake by Rodgers if he brings back Rafa because things are not going well for him and it won't take time before fans calling for Rafa and Rodgers to be sacked.
Are. You. Mad?
BELIEVER
On paper it would be the best combination we could hope for but rightly said by the first comment it would just add pressure on rodgers
Judging by Rodger's reaction when asked about Rafa the other week or him referring to the 'phantom goal'
I
When Rodgers got the job didn't LFC want to bring in Van Gaal as Director of Football, but Rodgers would not agree to it?
19 Mar 2013 10:59:48
Carra has been a great servant to LFC but unfortunately his time has past.
He should not be 1st choice for the remainder of this season.
Wisdom should be tried alongside Agger only because he has a fitness advantage over Kelly otherwise he would be the choice to partner Agger for the remainder of the season.
In Wisdoms case we will see if he's good enough, if your good enough your old enough. Luke Shaw at Southampton is not doing too bad.
Wisdom imo will prove to be a better header of the ball than Carra or Agger (who both have a weakness in that department) and he's also got a bit of pace about him.
So he will either sink or swim. I think he would grab the opportunity and swim.
I'm saying Wisdom and Kelly but I also really like Stephen Sama, he's not got as much experience as the other 2 but he certainly looks to have the talent.
Whatever way you look at it there's no mileage in playing Carra or Skrtel for that matter.
We now have to look to the future.
Carra has been our best defender by a mile this year. He might be retiring but we should get every last minute out of him on pitch. There's no coincidence we are not as good without him. I understand you might want to blood youngsters but sorry kid, we need to finish on a high. And we need Jamie for that
Wisdom all the way for me.
We're far too slow at centre back.
The Juicer
19 Mar 2013 12:32:45
I completely agree. I'd line up with Wisdom alongside Agger for sure. He could really use the experience, and his passing, tackling and heading are all better than skrtels. Ignoring the fact he is faster and stronger as well. If he had the tactical awareness of Carragher, he'd be ready. Which is why I'd have him and Carragher playing alongside one another in training matches, so Wisdom can pick up all the leadership qualitys he has. All this talk of a new captain when Gerrard calls it a day, and Wisdom is never considered, yet he has captained at every level he's played regularly both internationally and club level.
The fear with young players, is burnout. However looking at wisdom, he could be 27! He is physically well ahead of his age group. I say, 'let him swim!'
YNWA! (Adam)
Luke Shaw is a top prospect and will undoubtedly play for one of the big clubs like Utd, City or Chelsea without a doubt.
19 Mar 2013 14:57:02
We need a dominating centre back who's a phenom in there air. Wisdom ain't that guy for me, a right back yes but but for me we need someone who's going to step straight Into Carra's boots and marshall the back four to boot. The young Welsh lad in the under 18's looks the best bet of the young defenders we have including Sama. Whoever we sign he has to be a leader who dominates our penalty area. Like I said don't think Wisdom is that guy.
JohnBoy
You will never know how good someone can be? Unless you give them a go.
Adam has made a good point, that I had completely overlooked.
It's possibly to play Carra on the left side alongside Wisdom and rest Agger, to ensure Wisdom not only gets valuable experience but also invaluable coaching alongside a wise old head.
Good thinking Adam.
We should squeeze the last drop out of Carra, but we should give the young lads a chance at the first team too, only problem is we need as many points as possible! the only way IMO to do it is when and if we are ahead in games give Wisdom ans Sama the last 20 minutes, and then use the pre season to make final choices.
I said this yesterday as well, so apologies for being a bit of a broken record, but I'd love to see us play a back 3, say Wisdom/Carra/Agger or preferably Kelly/Carra/Agger (if Kelly were fit). Basically sacrifice Downing (or Johnson and let Downing play RWB) for three CBs.
19 Mar 2013 10:44:36
Hi Macca have you heard any rumblings of who Liverpool may be interested in, in the summer?
Thanks
19 Mar 2013 10:10:59
Hi Eds love this website! I'm Reading a lot of different stories in the papers and I'm wondering who we are properly linked with. Could you give us a few names of potential signings!
YNWA {Ed002's Note - You could take the time to read the posts.}
19 Mar 2013 09:59:16
Ed. great site.
Most of the people here are happy seeing the improvment of our players and club.
But are you really happy?
Downing improved a lot in two seaosns.
But not good enough.
at 20 mill. you need to show what u are. he is already 28 might even improve next seaosn.
but is he the type of player who can take liverpool, to the next level.
or are people happy to see us just improving our points every seaoson.
The farther we are out of Top4. the more difficult to run this club.
wages, maintanace, salaries. working capital.
Liverpool needs money more than anything else now.
and for that we have to utilise our revenue very well. we cannot afford to make any room for error.
one mistake will cost us.
henderson. Improvment. but at 16 mill. needed instant impact.
allen 18 mill. might improve next year.
by next year our depbt will creep even more.
borini 11 mil. will improve next year.
look mata hazzard and oscar.
cost a lot. but they have more assist and goals combined than xavi and iniesta.
we are way back. coz. we blwed our money.
we are called a one man team. coz. rest of the other players apart from gerrard and suarez. won't contribute much and are not game changers or as not of highest quality.
BR was bought as ayoung manager with a vision.
he tried to change the system to 4-3-3.
what on earth made him to change that system is beyond me.
do you honestly think he will buy the right players summer and take us to CL. or he will have much more excuses?
Ed. one sincere question. apart from BR who else were considerd for the position?
harry scousser
ynwa {Ed002's Note - Martinez was considered.}
Quite agree, Downing, Henderson, Allen, Borini, Coates, Johnson, Skrtel, just not good enough.
19 Mar 2013 09:44:43
If arsenal top the fair play league will a Europa league place drop down? sorry if its been asked but I'm having problems with SF. {Ed002's Note - There is a Europa League place available to the first placed team not already qualified for Europe for the countries placed 1, 2 and 3 in Europe.}
Were is england ranked in the leagues ed? thanks {Ed002's Note - At the turn of the year England were fourth but someone did a quick calculation a couple of weeks back and had Denmark sitting in fourth and England fifth. Note that the Fair Play League ends before the EPL season.}
19 Mar 2013 08:03:59
Hi Eds,
Which of the academy players do you think will be promoted to the first team next season?
Do you think the likes of Sterling, Suso, Adjoran, Coady, Ibe, Morgan, will get more playing time in the first team?
PKMLFC {Ed002's Note - It is too early to really say as I would think a couple of the older ones might get a chance on loan. I would expect Ibe to stay with the kids next season.}
Is'nt suso going out on loan ed. {Ed002's Note - The question was about next season. However, it is possible for players still to be loaned out before midnight on Sunday.}
Ed why sunday, does loan window close. {Ed002's Note - Right.}
18 Mar 2013 22:56:47
I know a lot of you won't agree, but I hope some of you will see where I'm coming from. It seems every year we have to have a "whipping boy" as an excuse for poor results. It used to be Lucas, last year it was Hendo/Downing and now it is Allen. Everyone knows that I am a staunch supporter of Allen, however, I think some of youse should just remind yourselves of how he was playing BEFORE his injury - which occurred in October I believe. Yaya Toure said that the Liverpool game at Anfield was the hardest he'd played in in England - that was when Gerrard was out of form and Lucas got injured after about 5 minutes. I think Allen should at least be given until the end of next season until a proper judgement can be passed on him, I admit his levels have dropped massively, but that is quite probably due to his injury. Don't make the same mistake we made with Lucas, and I was someone that never thought he'd be good enough for Liverpool. Give players a chance and get behind the team, I think we're generally going in the right direction, and BR will hopefully learn from his tactical mistakes against Southampton. Ed01/052 as Liverpool fans, what do youse think of Allen? {Ed052's Note - People know my opinion. I love him, and think he is a great player. He really did caryy our team at the begining of the season. But has unforunately dropped off recently - more pressure/injuries. WHo knows. He will come back stronger and better though - and will be a star.}
Joe Allen is a Liverpool legend in the making. Obviously his injury as just held him back. Get him fit and raring to go for start of next.
People are entitled to their opinions and I think for £15m Allen is vastly overrated and overpriced - average player at best.
19 Mar 2013 10:02:06
How can anybody reasonably say Joe Allen is a great player? That is a joke! He's an average player - simple. I understand your love and support for him which is good, but truth be said - he's not great just yet. What's his profile? I bet even Swansea don't miss him. They're better off this season without him. I hope he comes good though.
RedBeer
19 Mar 2013 10:03:27
How are some people relaxed to see a waiting game.
he might come good. when?. and till then?
Im not a Liverpool fan, but, I would take joe allen before lukas 7 days a week, young allen has got somthing, just give the lad a chance. as for lukas, nah, sorry I don't see anything
Allens a great player whos been in bad form mainly due to fatigue I actually think getting injured for the rest of the season will help he can recover and it well let henderson have a much deserved chance
To the guy above who can't even spell Lucas. Allan and Lucas are two completely different players. Without Lucas holding we are weaker. Lucas will come good again he has just been injured.
Look at his stats from before his injury. One of, if not the best DM in the prem.
I remember how good allen was at the start of the season and he was excellent.
I think he has lost confidence and needs time to settle in at his new home and he is still very young so give the guy a chance.
Think the jury is still out on Allen, my problem is if his downturn in form is due to his injury then Rogers has done him no favours by keeping playing him, yes I know the injury has been kept quiet so opposing players would not target him, yet the papers where full of his injury the days leading upto the southampton game yet Rogers still picked him for that game and we all know what happened!
Tizer Red since we are pointing out spelling errors, let me tell you that its not Allan, its Allen.
Does anyone know what the specific injury to Allen's shoulder is? It has to be something quite significant to stop his feet, legs and brain working enough to deliver those abysmal performances.
Maybe his shoulder injury also had an impact on BR's managerial performance as well? Maybe just maybe its been the cause of the worldwide economic downturn?
Joking aside does anyone know what the injury actually is as there are only a few things in a shoulder that would effect overall sports performance.
RedDoc
19 Mar 2013 09:21:49
morning eds, why, why are some fans calling for the managers head, rogers has done well in his first season, do fans not realise that another manager would set us back another couple of seasons i. e different way of play new players having to gel AGAIN. rogers will be judged at the end of next season and I for one am sure he will come out on top. so come on guys get behind him and give the irishman your full support that's if you are true REDS.
{Ed002's Note - They are calling for Rodgers' head as Liverpool lost last weekend. If Liverpool win their next game then it will all be rosy in the garden again. If Sturridge scores he will be the Messiah and not the lazy-mother he is being called now. If Johnson gets an assist he should be offered a new six year deal rather than sold to a Championship club.}
19 Mar 2013 09:40:28
No ed.
Unless Liverpool Makes to CL.
I don't call it as any improvment.
A club like Liverpool fc progress should be measured by the titles it wins. and that's what made this club one of the best in england.
not coz. it was established 100 years ago. so did wimbeldon or any other club.
We desperatly needs Cl.
harry scousser
Ynwa {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what your barely coherent rambling is about. Did you reply to the correct post?}
It does worry me the number of fickle fans than post comments on here. Have they forgotten where we've come from under the Hicks and Gillett ownership? While its not perfect at LFC its certainly a lot better than a couple fo yeats ago and I beleive with some investment this summer it will be even better than last year. People need to expect small steps rather than dream of giant leaps forward in getting thsi club back to the top again
‘Rodgers has done well in his first season’ - what! We are in a worse league position than last year, we got knocked both cup competitions by what I would call inferior opposition, we are out of Europe. He has made some bad buys costing lots of money. So how has he done well?
Well said ed, this is another of these so called "football" fans who think Liverpool has a god given right to cl football. If he can't see the improvement in the style of play then he knows nothing about the game. Make no mistake we are on the right road to challenge for top 4 next season
fforestfach red
19 Mar 2013 10:05:29
It does worry me the number of fickle fans than post comments on here. Have they forgotten where we've come from under the Hicks and Gillett ownership
dude. nobody cares untill you are in CL.
when you are out. a club actually looses its pedigree.
success in football is measured by the no of medals it wins. the revenue it creates. the reputation it creates to the world.
not by the emotions of fans.
I'm not sure we have as many fickle fans as appears. It's just that the 'pro' and 'anti' (anything) brigades get their opportunity to be vocal after an event that supports their position.
So we win - people that support the team/manager/under fire players make their posts. We lose and all the posters against the manager/owners/players having a bad game make their opinions felt.
We don't seem to have that many 'flip-floppers' (though of course I may be wrong).
In an ideal world they'd be a page for 'Supporters of the current regime' and one for 'Against the current regime'. That way I'd only have to read posts that I agreed with.
Alternatively, we could have a banter page that gives the opportunity to have opinions that differ. It would be nice if the banter page didn't descend into personal abuse if someone doesn't agree with a post.
19 Mar 2013 10:22:16
Mate Liverpool fc is made of trophys, nothing is progress until we achieve top4, Liverpool can't move foward without top4, its already 3 years for FSG still we haven't achieve top4 and that is failure in owners eyes, maybe you should check werners interview he clearly said without champions league the season is faliure even winning cups doesn't matter to them as Champions league, even rodgers wins his next 8 games still didn't reach the target which he promised to owners when he got the job.
Well said MartinR
Roy
Well said MartinR
Roy
19 Mar 2013 11:50:45
Spot on matinR!
Their is no doubt that we have fans who support rodgers and think he is right man then we have supporters who don't want rodgers and will be happy if his removed as soon as possible.
When we win, fans who support Rodgers they post and praise him.
When we lose, fans who don't like Rodgers they post their opinions and get opportunity to Air them.
This won't stop until rodgers proves his right man or achieves Champions league!
19 Mar 2013 09:18:12
My wish list for the summer, for an ideal 4-4-2.
1) Courtois (goalkeeper) - (if Reina leaves). He'll cost 20 Million or more, but it makes more sense to spend this kind of money on a player/position that can give you 10 years of service at a high level, rather than a field player who usually gives you 3-5 years only. And he's unquestionably good at a young age. Can only get better.
2) A rock of a Centre-back. Someone like Ranocchia, Papadopoulos, Hummels, or Sakho. Strength on the ground, in the air and mobility to suit Rodgers' system. With a core group of Agger, CB, Wisdom and Kelly, the CB positions will improve substantially. A second younger CB should be bought if Skrtel leaves. A strong central defense allows Lucas to play a few yards further up, which is a key reason for the weakness of our midfield. We are frequently overrun by tough physical opposing midfields.
3) A multi position midfielder like Vidal, Schweinsteiger, Song or Khedira. Strong both in defense and offense. (Alonso is ideal but he's on the downslope age-wise and i'd rather bring in someone who can give 5+ years, continuity and leadership with Gerrard moving on in a couple of years too. ) Lucas needs help and so do the front 2. This makes an ideal midfield of Lucas, Midfielder, Gerrard & Coutinho. And with Shelvey, Suso, Sterling, Henderson and Downing as backups, the midfield can be rotated to suit the needs of every game.
4) I wouldn't touch the front 2 of Suarez and Sturridge. Except if Suarez leaves. I've seen Alexis Sanchez mentioned as a potential replacement but he and Suarez are not the same type of player at all. Sanchez relies entirely on his speed and he clearly doesn't have the ball control skills at close quarters that Suarez has.
Before everybody jumps and screams "we don't have the money for those players" I'll just say that I used the names as examples and am not saying we should buy those players per se.
Sorry. forgot to sign off this last post. ra1969
19 Mar 2013 08:03:59
Hi Eds,
Which of the academy players do you think will be promoted to the first team next season?
Do you think the likes of Sterling, Suso, Adjoran, Coady, Ibe, Morgan, will get more playing time in the first team?
PKMLFC {Ed002's Note - It is very early to say as I am sure a couple will be given the opportunity of a loan to get experience next year. Ibe will stay with the kids still, but perhaps Morgan and Suso will get a chance. Without a doubt Liverpool have a number of youngsters coming through of which much is expected.}
19 Mar 2013 08:14:00
How stuppid and Ironic.
Most people here says. we don't need quick fix and instatnt success. we should not buy with money.
and yet they moan to buy atleast 4 players every window.
19 Mar 2013 10:30:17
Haha your biggest person, you know that owners have spent enough money to achieve top4 don't you, rodgers has spent more then Arsenal, spurs, everton etc and still we are no where near top4, instead the gape is getting bigger and bigger.
Is this the same poster arguing against himself?
HB
19 Mar 2013 06:48:53
To all the moaners and whiners on here. Ever heard of 'the self-fulfilling prophecy'? That's the one were if you wish for something enough it will come true. Well get ready because you're negativity and intolerance will be justly rewarded. You want Rodgers out but haven't a clue what else to do. Basically none of you are equipped to support the team in the modern game where there are richer clubs with deeper pockets and a mountain to climb. If you don't like the challenge jog on, because your lack of support is galliing and slowly but surely undermining what chance we might have.
Can't wait until Friday. I've been prophesising that I'm going to win the euromillions and by this rule I'm going to win.
80 million coming my way and all I had to do was follow the self-fullfilling prophesy rule!
19 Mar 2013 06:33:23
i believe fsg will have to spend big in summer, I can recall that henry at the start of the season said that cl football would be the aim but not a disaster if we don't get in this season.
some things have happened since then, I believe that br had loads of trust in skrtl and with carra retiring it has left us with real problems at the back.
quates will leave and that means 3 players lost and need to be replaced.
you can have 1 youngster like kelly/wisdom replacing quates but we need to buy 2 central defenders.
in midfield shelvey will proberly be sold and I think henderson is not in br longterm plans so might be sold. br would like to bring in a defensive midfielder and atacking midfielder.
caroll/assaidi will be sold and need to be replaced.
so we need at 6 players if we don't make europe we will still need 4/5.
caroll/skrtl/assaidi/shelvey and proberly henderson we could get around 40mil in total.
fsg would have to spend another 40mil, if we get some class in next season we will be the surprise in the league.
fsg clearly have no knowledge about football they spend a lot since they arrived and besides suarez/enrique/sturridge none have been better than what we had before, and that's our problem we are not clever in the market.
there are players out there like erikson that will cost the same money as allen has, let's at least try to get in them and make them believe in our plans.
malta
19 Mar 2013 09:42:46
fsg clearly have no knowledge about football they spend a lot since they arrived
Your post contradict.
If they don't have any knowledge why would they spend again? after watching their money blown?
Clearly Mala its you who do not know what you're on about rather than the owners. Its not he owners that go and check on players its our scouting team so if you want to blame somone then blame them. The owners just agree/disagree the cost of the player. As for needing or expecting 6 players I hsve a feeling that you a goingto be very disappointed
FSG aren't supposed to be picking players. They set criteria for the sort of investment they think wise and set a budget. Everything else is down to a highly paid manager and highly paid scouting team. People can criticise FSG if they want but a 90m net outgoing on transfers in last 2 years offset by perhaps 25-30m in wage saving also not forgetting lucrative new contracts for Suarez, Agger, Skrtel, Suso & Sterling to name just a handful looks to me like serious investment at a time when we are a world away from CL. I think they've been smart with more performance related contracts and our new signings should be better next season. With the new PL money next season and a younger squad on less money our financial position should recover significantly. I don't expect a huge net spend this summer and I think it more likely than not that Suarez will leave and the money reinvested in a versatile forward and attacking midfielder.
Kidder
19 Mar 2013 06:14:24
reports say Liverpool want to sign Wanyama and celtic are happy to cash in
Liverpool have been scouting and showing interest in him for quite sometime
Please, please remember Wanyama looks good playing for Celtic in the Scottish League - enough said.
19 Mar 2013 09:43:37
he will move to arsenal. he is a good player.
so do we have in lucas. we need a back up.
waynama will cost 18 mill to outbid arsenal.
not anymore to be a cover for lucas.
19 Mar 2013 09:56:43
well he looks good playing for celtic that's all he can do as that's were he plays his football. many good players had all this wouldn't make it in the premiership larsson even got that threw at him. allthough the premiership is a big step up how would anyone know how he would go if they didn't take a chance on him, imo he is exactly what r midfield needs.
"Wanyama looks good playing for Celtic in the Scottish League - enough said"
And that proves he's no good somehow? Would you rather he played badly in Scotland then?
"enough said" - not really because you've literally explained nothing with your comment!
Wanyama is a top holding midfielder and Liverpool fans are dreaming if they think he will be covering Lucas' position next season! You'd struggle to attract him as a regular starter let alone as a squad player.
HB
19 Mar 2013 02:53:27
HI guys /gals/eds. I have a question to ask, if YOU were the OWNERS of our team would you give THIS manager 20/30/40 MILLION POUNDS to spend on players this summer, taking in consideration what has happened in the past few seasons since they have taken over. (godin)
Turn the question around : if you were FSG do you think the club can move forward without investment in the playing squad.
It's naive to think the club "gives" the manager 20-40 million.
The club has to move forward. Each player purchase will have to be justified, almost like a business plan if you will, before funds are allocated.
9 points off 4th place with 8 games to go. It's not THAT bad. With the right investment the club can make that crucial first step of getting back into the top 4.
Search Engine
19 Mar 2013 08:05:31
never. ever.
That's why I do not own a football club, it is a bottomless pit
No I would not trust Rodgers anymore he needs to go. Bring in a European manager who has experience just as rafa had. Look how we beat the top teams in Europe 2nd in prem oh bring back those happy days and nights on the kop.
That's the only reason, Yvonne? :)
HB