Liverpool Banter Archive November 19 2011
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19 Nov 2011 23:44:55
R.I.P Luca Jones, Cant imagine what Brad and his family are going through. Y.N.W.A.
19 Nov 2011 23:31:37
any predictions for tomorrow game? One nil to the reds hendo to bag
Hope you guys rally to get at least a point tomorrow because I'm sure dagleash has already crossed off next week on his calendar.
Think Hendo will play?
19 Nov 2011 23:23:06
Terrible news of Brad Jones son passing. Rest in peace little lad, just not fair!
Respect from football family.
Sir Alex x
Well said sir alex r.i.p
19 Nov 2011 23:22:49
we should go 4 carlos tevez he played for utd and city but he will still do the job hes only 27/8 hes got a few years left come on kenny do you not see suarez needs help what do you think ed {Ed001's Note - not with his attitude, fantastic player but disruptive, not what any team needs.}
It would have to be on a 12 day contract any longer & he wants to move.
BLUE MOON.
Do you not think Kenny could be the one to curb his attitude ed? Tbh I don't particulaly want him to sign, but he is a brilliant player and if he did i'm sure Kenny could control his attitude.
maka
YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - no one can curb that kind of greed. Because that is all it is.}
19 Nov 2011 23:03:01
Just wanted to post a message about Brad Jones little one Luca who passed on. I have a little 3 year old boy myself who I love more than anything else in the world, and my guts twist round at the thought of going through anything like that. It must be THE worst thing possible.
I hope that like some people have suggested, we
show a mark of respect at tomorrows game. I feel for him and his family and just thought I'd post this of a mark of respect to them.
Scott78.
19 Nov 2011 22:58:15
Valencia Vs Real what a match. til the end it was Real madrid who want the match finish as soon as possible. How much money do Valencia spend for the team. every year thier best player been sold.
Watched it too mate, great game. I watch Spanish football a lot, when i've watched Real Madrid i've noticed that Xabi Alonso is the guy they look to, to control the game for them and set the tempo. Ronaldo , Benzema, Higuian etc get all the plaudits but Xabi is their main player imo. He's not their best player but probably just as important to them as Ronaldo.
Nothing to do with LFC, I just miss Xabi. What a player.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
19 Nov 2011 22:24:21
Surely the noble and the humanitarian thing to do is black armbands in memory of baby Luca? But Im sure FIFA & UEFA will outlaw no doubt outlaw this...How about we ignore the mercenary when he touches the ball and sing Luca's name during the game? RIP Luca.
I'm sure something will be done. We've lost one of our own today.
YNWA, Brad, Luca, the rest of the family.
McSnuggles
19 Nov 2011 19:48:39
Ed,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4_fQXwIV4E&t=35m30s
I'd love to hear your comments and feedback though.
Chi-Paul {Ed001's Note - I can't watch it right now, my daughter is here and the language coming out of Evra was not the kind of things I want her listening to!}
Well done, Chi-Paul. I'm sure the Liverpool lawyers have found this by now anyway, and it'll be used in our defense.
McSnuggles
Thats why we are all red :)
35 mins into the vid ,fa should nail the tw*t
19 Nov 2011 21:39:20
RIP young Luca Jones. Very sad news. Football doesn't matter a damn when you hear this news.
Rico MUFC
19 Nov 2011 21:23:29
Hi eds,
I've posted twice about the coutinho rumours over the last 3 hours and my posts have not popped up. Is there any reason for this?
Rewflo {Ed001's Note - yes I was out with my daughter.}
19 Nov 2011 21:17:35
Why I've given up on football part 1 ... Liverpool v Swansea Dirk Kuyt has a close offside call given against him ... goal disallowed Man Utd v Swansea Hernandez has a close offside call given for him ... goal allowed. Liverpool 1 point Man Utd 3 points.
Sorry but hernandez was onside
They were the correct decisions on both occasions. Surely that would put ur faith in football again!
19 Nov 2011 21:08:29
There is as we all know a mutual hatred between us and the mancs and you can only see this hatred intensifying with the inflamatary comments coming out of sir corn beef faces mouth yesterday! In the next few years you can see some fans getting seriously hurt at both grounds yet people like him will step back from it all and say how sad the situation is and take no ownership for fanning the flames of hatred with ill advised comments! Stick to what you do best Sir Frey Bentos complaining about how unfair refs and the f.a. are to your team when in truth its the total reverse!
Waro
Was it not Dalglish complaining about decisions?
19 Nov 2011 18:43:28
my thoughts go out too the women,children and the elderly killed in afghanistan, iraq , palestine and the surpressed and the tortured. May Allah guide those who have committed these crimes to the right way, ameen. When someone dies we can certainly realise to ourselves that football is not the most important thing in our lives, but it is the purpose of why we are here on this earth that is the most important.
I hope liverpool win tomorrow, we should won the games which we all thought were winnable now we have to make sure we beat chelsea away otherwise we got problems. We are already slipping down the table and then we play man city next, it does not get any easier. I think kenny will have to be very careful otherwise we could end up out of the top 4 altogether, to be honest if we finish 6th again or lower then there is not much choice but to let kenny go. After spending so much money, you can only be judged on how you perform thereafter as a manager.RedTurk
May Allah give us a couple of goals against Chelsea too.
Thanks Allah, 2-1 Liverpool, I'm converting to you!
Ameen.
19 Nov 2011 18:36:40
Mark Lawrenson: "I've had a bit of an inside track on exactly what Suarez has said...it's the word 'negrita', and it's used by pundits and commentators in South America, and it's totally accepted by one and all". "That's obviously going to be his defence, and that's exactly what Liverpool have told the authorities".
hey ed do you think that this will be enough for suarez to get punished (if true)
Thankyou!
lfc all day {Ed001's Note - who knows? The only people who know are the FA.}
If Luis is found guilty for using an expression that is acceptable to eveyone in his country then would that not be a form of racism in itself?
19 Nov 2011 17:13:14
Hi eds,
just curious about this coutinho speculation. You know anything from Liverpool end? Are we interested? I ask because my usually very reliable source in Italy said that the player has been asked by inter if he would consider Liverpool, when i asked him if Liverpool had expressed interest in coutinho he very cryptically replied "who knows"
Its a very reliable source.
Rewflo {Ed001's Note - I believe the interest is there, there was certainly interest in the Rafa era and I don't believe it was dropped.}
19 Nov 2011 20:55:01
Hi eds do you know if there is a minute silence before tomorrows game for little Luca i hope so and the home game next week against City?
Also i hope there will be a collection for Brad and the family or a lukaemia collection before the City i will certainly give to it. Its just an awful day and coming weeks and months and for the rest of there life. Lets hope they can find some kind of normality in the future.
RIP LUCA
Mighty reds {Ed007's Note - Sorry mate, I have no idea but surely the club and fans will mark his passing in some way.}
19 Nov 2011 20:33:56
Some of you may remember my scout report on junior hoilett some months ago. I was accused if actually being junior and trying to get myself a move. Funny. I hope everyone is now seeing that this lad should be purchased. Try to keep it under 15m and he will be a bargain. Like to think 13m should do it. Someone on the same wavelength as Luis. Who can also buzz around Andy and create spaces. A real versatile player that could do 433 and 442. Thoughts? Let's make a strong bi. Can and will be better than Young if coached correctly.
Good player, may take a while to make the step up to a top team tho
Thanks Junior!
19 Nov 2011 20:13:48
Our problem for a while has been we play out of our skin vs the big teams and we just can't beat the small teams.... which begs the question; why with new owners, a new manager and alot of new player that this problem is still present? -McMenemy
Not enough pace and skill in the team to handle teams parking the bus against us. Simple really.
Get the answer to that & you've got yourself the premiership champions. I posted the same after the Swansea game. It's nothing new tho.
The Irish Rover
Because often the fans don't cheer as loud when we play the small teams as much as the big teams. The expectation and anxiety gets to the players and they panic and run out of ideas. It's about maintaining the 12th man against the lesser opposition.
We need to change the mentality but that is something which needs time...
What we should look for is to get 2 goals in 20 minutes rather than in 90 minutes.... Most ManU teams which have dominated the league in the past 2 decades have aimed for the same e.g. 1999,2003,2008....
I know its always easier said than done....
LiverBird
Because often the fans don't cheer as loud when we play the small teams as much as the big teams. The expectation and anxiety gets to the players and they panic and run out of ideas. It's about maintaining the 12th man against the lesser opposition.
===========================
Ah so now its the fans that is the problem.
So can you explain why other teams can do it away aka Arsenal or United today...ist because they have the players that can turn it on and go through 11 man defense.
Roy
19 Nov 2011 20:05:05
With the quality of the Bundesliga improving and all these young starlets coming out of Germany do u think we are seriously looking there? I have a great symphaty for Reus, Goetze and Marin. They all have similar qualities and are really talented youngsters. What are the chances for each of them?
Prob only have a chance of Marin and that's a small one.
19 Nov 2011 20:02:20
Mcmenemy
I was in the Blackpool stand just just over from the away section when we were playing them in December me an my mate jumped up an celebed it. Problem was they went on to score 2 an we got stick which is obv fair play. Also went to Sunderland in the away end and we didn't even score. That's the thing if you get beat you just don't wanna be around the other fans.
Spriggo
19 Nov 2011 20:01:39
Just heard the wounding news over Luca Jones. Only the good die young. Rest in peace little fellow. Jonson
To Brad and Dani from all LFC fans
Our thoughts are with you at this terrible time.
YNWA
19 Nov 2011 19:47:56
Re: Torres
When he left we got £50 million, he wasn't happy and felt that we were going nowhere. Nearly 12 months later and we are 3 points off the top 4. If we had a clinical finisher we would be even higher. My point is he has left and we have moved on. Torres thanks for the memories and the money, but you no longer matter to us.
Scouse Pride
Well said mate, although there should be a "You'll always walk alone" at the end of the sentence.
RenegadeRed
Bottom line is we effectively swapped Torres for Suarez and Carroll. Suarez alone is a more complete player and more effective striker than Torres plus Carroll gives us something different and will come good for us. An excellent piece of business.
19 Nov 2011 19:37:03
Not even a third of the way into the season and already ten points clear of Liverpool.
Disney!
Disney
Most of the posts on this page today have been about Luca Jones as it should be. So sort yourself out and have a bit of respect stop being a clown.
Mighty reds
Not even a third of the thru the season & you are already 5pts behind City.
That's a bit below the belt Mighty Reds!
The Irish Rover
The Irish Rover
I just think that you can have banter any day or time of the week. But surely today is Little Lucas day. Just my thoughts mate.
Mighty reds
Of course it's very sad when things like this happen and my thoughts are with his family. I have a two, five & a seven year old so cannot imagine how his parents are feeling right now. But this is a banter site mate and to be fair I did send the post without viewing the page first. Perhaps the banter can wait til tomorrow after the Chelsea game. Apologies if anyone is offended.
Disney!
It's terrible what has happened to brad jones but not posting banter because of whats happened is a bit extreme..
19 Nov 2011 19:33:43
R I P Luca Jones.Deepest sympathy to his loving parents. YNWA .
Micheal Mouse
19 Nov 2011 19:29:57
Quick poll
agree if you heard the word 'Negrito' used in the UK before this whole Evra thing began.
Disagree if you didn't. cheers.
ferd
Most people wont have it's not even native to spain. It's a word localised to central and south america and some parts of central africa
I mistakenly tick Agree. Must say its the first time, I've heard it. Sorry.
19 Nov 2011 19:17:49
Just done the BBC Predictor - Results:
1. Man City
2. Man Utd
3. Tottenham
4. Liverpool
5. Chelsea
6. Arsenal
7. Newcastle
8. Everton
9. Sunderland
10. Aston Villa
11. Swansea
12. QPR
13. Fulham
14. Wolves
15. Stoke
16. Norwich
17. West Brom
18. Bolton
19. Blackburn
20. Wigan
As did I.
1. Man Utd
2. Man City
3. Chelsea
4. Spurs
5. Arsenal
6. Newcastle
7. Liverpool
8. Everton
9. Sunderland
10. Aston Villa
11. Swansea
12. QPR
13. Fulham
14. Wolves
15. Stoke
16. Norwich
17. West Brom
18. Bolton
19. Blackburn
20. Wigan
Disney!
Think you've made some results optimistic. Liverpool 4th? More likely 6th as usual.
Disney forgeting the Liverpool bit, how do you see yourself getting being ahead of City. Quite frankly the team seems unbeatable while United being a very good squad have weaknesses -McMenemy
City's bubble will have to burst sooner or later. They still have to play you, Arsenal & Chelsea, three teams that beat them last season. Not expecting Liverpool or Arsenal to beat them, but I hope they will drop at least four points in these three games and we keep winning ours.
P.S, I don't really see Liverpool finishing 7th, I think 6th is far more likely.
Disney!
Dishead citys bubble certainly never burst when they recently destroyed the small club in manchester
Bad season for Lancashire then, you've both got Bolton, Blackburn and Wigan going down.
Actually, Bolton and Wigan are in Greater Manchester.
Redjinal
19 Nov 2011 18:37:41
RIP Luca. so sorry to hear this news, my heart goes out to brad and dani.at least now luca you wont have to suffer anymore little man. RIP Luca and YNWA
Thekop1
RIP Luca, So saddened to hear this news. YNWA
When you hear news like this you immediately think of your own kids so my heart goes out to brad and family , can only immagine what they are going through, anyway as part of the liverpool family brad his and his family will never have to walk alone. YNWA.
TOMMY C
RIP Luca, saddened to hear the news. Brad and Dani and wee Luca's family are in my thoughts and prayers at this time.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
19 Nov 2011 18:37:11
RIP little Luca jones.....best wishes to brad and family xxx
Square tomato
19 Nov 2011 17:37:19
Ed or anyone, My mates got tickests for Wigan vs Liverpool however its in the Wiganers stand, obviously I want to cheer on my team but i don't want to anger home fans what rules are there for this situation -McMenemy (RIP little Luca) {Ed007's Note - I would imagine that the rules would be you shouldn't be in there.}
Eat pies McMenemy, and blend in.
The Real KB
Talk about rugby league a lot.
JRG
There will be no Wigan fans there so do what you want
And drink Barbican too! Now let's see how many of you get that.
Half of the ground gets full with Liverpool fans Mcmenemy, you should be fine.
KT!
Yeah, but he would stand out a mile with that perm.
19 Nov 2011 17:19:05
hi eds and others. this is a link to a guardian article, a preview of Liverpool vs Napoli last year. it's titled "Hodgson worried Man United may poach Torres"
www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/20/roy-hodgson-manchester-united-fernando-torres
now i have nothing against hodgson as a man, but when you read that article and look at the squad list down the bottom, it makes me realise that andy carrol not scoring a goal a game, or downing not being able to get his goal or assist yet isn't actually that much of a problem, and with the signings/development of young players, we've got a real good future ahead of us.
thanks FSG, KK and LFC. it's good to be a supporter again.
JSR-YNWA-JFT96
Thanks mate. I suggest Liverpool Football Club erect a statue at Anfield of hodgson (scratching his face) , with these words etched below it.....'LEST WE FORGET'
19 Nov 2011 18:28:52
Come on chelsea,lets thrash liverpool,my predition is chelsea 4 liverpool 0,
Whats that on FIFA?
Square tomato
And on amature
And with all the custom settings changed
19 Nov 2011 18:28:08
We should sign Andy Polo
I've heard hes an all 'Round Mint' player!
Paul the red
I heard hes really talented yes but he has a attitude problem so he doesn't focus in training..... nahh just horsing around i'm sure he is very "stable".
19 Nov 2011 18:16:59
I will ask a similar question to one I asked when liverpool had stoke & tottenham away. I asked how many points would you take from the 2 games. I said I would be happy with 3 and take 4 now.
Alot of people on this site said 6 points we are liverpool etc (we need to be realistic guys)
How many points do you expect from chelsea away & man city at home. I would take 3 points now and be very happy with 4 or more.
Any opinions
The Dark Knight (realistic fan)
If your happy with that you probably have a good reason to be, but problem is we need the 6 points now that we failed to pick them up against lesser teams. if we cant beat the lesser teams we need to beat the top teams to stay in contention for the top 4, if kenny can't do that he might have a problem at the end of the season.RedTurk
Is right mate to many fans are just cloaded by the love of our club and dont think logicly,at best i would be over the moon with a piont tomorow and a great win at home cos our fans will turn up against man city.
kp
Id happily take 2-3!
If we draw both games thats better than 6 points dropped!
LeeWils
I am praying for a big win tomorrow, but I am not expecting one. Infact, I have a bad feeling Torres might score the winner, and it will hurt
0-2 tomorrow.
Bright start from us, Suarez to score early... Bellamy to come off the bench and score on the counter attack after soaking up 50 mins of pressure.
RM
19 Nov 2011 16:44:49
shelveys knocked another one in 4 blackpool goog lad
matt f
Bring him back in january. we not replace meirels he can be the one .
That's why I don't think we need another CM player. Hendo, Shelvey, Coady etc we have huge potential.
I personally just think we need De Jong and Hoilett and we are set. Both available and realistic imo and wouldn't break the bank.
Team for next season:
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Hoilett Gerrard Adam Downing
Suarez Carroll
Doni
Flanno Kelly Coates Robinson
Silva Hendo Lucas Bellamy
Suso De Jong
4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 same thing
I'd say leave him out on loan and let him get a full season of reg football
What we need a striker that can play in the wing or winger that can play as a striker like;Lavezzi or Lukas Podolski
Nope we need a genuine RW that can go straight into first team, even Dyer of Swansea would do.
19 Nov 2011 16:41:13
My thoughts go out to Brad and his wife.... R.I.P little Luca.... HERBIE
19 Nov 2011 16:02:56
Hi guys,
I just want to say my deepest thoughts are with Brad and all his family today over the death of their little one. Although I'm an avid Man Utd supporter times like these are when you united and come together and make sure that Brad and his family "never walk alone".
Jack MUFC
Who disagreed with this is an absolute ****
Hopefully pressing the disagree buttom was a mistake,if not what a dope.deepest thoughts x
kp
Who ever disagreed with this i hope you suffer the same pain & grief that this poor family are feeling right now.
BLUE MOON. {Ed007's Note - That is despicable. If we had a way of tracing that, they would face a lengthy ban. Hang your head in shame, you are a disgrace to the human race and anyone who is unlucky enough to make your acquaintance or know you, and you're an ar5ehole.}
Disgrace! A vile exscuse of a human.
KNEE JERK
Its probably an ar@ehole who is just tryin to wind everyone up
RIP Luca
Whoever disagreed is a disgrace of a human.
Scouse Pride
I hope I speak for all Liverpool fans here when I say how grateful we are that the United and City fans are paying tribute, it really is very wonderful of you and thank you for this. I can only hope that Brad and his family never meet the person who disagreed with that post. RIP Luca may you always be remebered at Anfield and have your name sung by the Kop.
KiwiRed
19 Nov 2011 15:57:44
Firstly I think that any form of racism is wrong whether it is in england or Timbuktu.
When a player come's to play in the EPL they abide with our rules and standards, if suarez or any other player at any point said anything or took out an action at any point that could be seen as racism he should be punished.
Blatter was absolutely wrong to say that you should shake hands because you get punished for taking of your shirt while celebrating while no punishment for racism?
The fact is we don't know what suarez said or did but it did cause a problem and he obviously did something to upset evra I'm not evra's biggest fan but it somehow was construed to be racist .
But KK trusts only problem is that suarez seems to think that he is not a diver and it is blatant that he is if it was the opposite way around what would you be saying ???
That a person should be punished for a term that 'could be seen as racist' ? Which Orwell character are you?
You reduce the need for evidence for racism at the risk of devaluing/trivialising the offence.
I put up with racism when it wasn't a crime (and since) and see it as a great advance in the law so don't expect to see the offence devalued by over enthusiasm, rectal disfunction, or sanctimony.
It has to be an accusation that is proven with the utmost clarity and evidenced clearly as well.
By the way comparing diving with racism IS trivialising racism.
That's handing him his ass in a tesco bag alright
19 Nov 2011 15:52:04
HEY Lfc fans...
im so happy that newcastle are losing...................
reason why is that if your sooo confident like pardew has been saying...then stick to your winning ways and keep a 442..
but no..they decide to crap themselves and go for 451...and all that does is invite pressure
so i hope LFC GO THERE AND PLAY THE WAY WE WANT ...AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THEIR THREAT!
Your such a dreamer. We are just an average club. We haven't proved to be a serious goal scoring threat. I have been a fan 25-30 years. So don't think I'm having a slag.
Arsenal win man.
19 Nov 2011 15:46:25
My thoughts are with Brad and his family and friends. Life can be so cruel and no words will make it easier.
Mighty reds
x x x
19 Nov 2011 15:06:04
So sad to hear that Brads son has passed away! Football pales into nothing in times such as these.
My family and i suffered a devastating loss similar to this 3yrs ago, i have no words of comfort nor cliches. All i can say is my thoughts are with Brad and his loved ones. I hope i speak for everyone who visits this page Liverpool supporters or not. All the best.
YNWA Luca lad x
KNEE JERK
So sad about luca jones , god bless brad and family.............lfc
That is something no parent should ever have to do.
My prayers are with him and his family. RIP Luca.
Devil Dust
19 Nov 2011 14:41:13
RIP Luca Jones
Brad Jones Liverpool goalie lost his son to Leukemia today. RIP Little man YNWA
LeeWils
Thoughts and prayers. YNWA
My condolences go to him and his family.
Danny
Just heard the news. Really terrible stuff. My thoughts are with his family.
Matthew...
Who could possibly disagree with that post..
RIP
Cheers
Macca
You'll never walk alone rip luca
It's sickening how someone would click disagree. I wouldn't wish something like that on anyone.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
19 Nov 2011 14:40:13
My mate tried drinking from a Liverpool FC mug yesterday, but it was impossible.
It kept sliding down the table.
Matthew...
Worst joke ever!!
19 Nov 2011 14:26:22
Just heard that Brad Jones son passed away, RIP Luca Jones... mufc
That's such sad and terrible news.
paul
Terrible news. My prayers and thoughts are with Brad and his family.
You'll Never Walk Alone Luca, RIP.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed007's Note - A tragic piece of news. RIP Luca.}
Yeah terrible news mate, really puts all this liverpool/united crap into perspective, its only a game at the end of the day, respect costs nothing so just thought id show my respect on here...mufc
RIP Luca...YNWA Brad and his family
GreenMeanMachine
19 Nov 2011 14:21:12
"Luis is not a racist. We use different words and it is a different situation."
Poyet's remarks have been described as "inappropriate" by United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
Gus Poyet is correct. A relative of mine at London University had to write an essay about 'Negritude' (Blackness or black culture) while doing Latin American studies.
The expression does not have the same PC effect in Latin America. It is not considered offensive.
The Black Brasilian composer and singer Dorival Caymmi wrote a song. 'Vida de Negro'
First line:-
"Vida de negro é difícil, é difícil com quê"
The life of a black man is difficult, is difficult that's what/with what.
There is a difference in language and Evra should know that.
I am suspicious of Ferguson's motives.
He is incorrect. It is not "inappropriate".
He should know more about Latin American culture and language.
I dont think it really matters about the latin culture. when you decide to come live in england you have to live by its laws and rules. in some countries your allowed to beat your wife if she cheats on you but i dont see how being from another culture will defend you in court. the term my be acceptable in latin america but over its not and he should know this he has been here long enough
GMN
Also with the south americans in the united squad you would think that Evra would have heard this before
TonyC
I think youre missing the point GMN. How would Luis Suarez know that it was an offensive word when for his entire life he has used it with no problem in south america, and holland. The only way he would find out is if someone told him (which would never have come up in casual conversation) or if he said it and someone became offended (which is what happened).
I think it would be unfair to punish Luis if he truly didn't know it was offensive, which I believe is the case as it's a common phrase in South and central America. Let him apologise and not do it again.
Translatatron
The term he used is affectionately used in his own and Spanish speaking countries.To describe a diminutive Buddy or pal,who is black.That is a fact,Liverpool obviously have checked this out before backing the player.He shouldn't be punished for using the term,but should be told that using any black descriptive word can cause offence,and rightly so not to use it again.
TonyC, i think you're right, i'm sure i read somewhere that suarez said it was a term evra's team mates use all the time.
looks to me like evra's jumped on the opportunity to cause trouble
Yup he shouldnt get suspended or fined just told hes not allowed to say that, because he didn't know.
I have been thinking about this a lot recently as racism has been the topic recently and I have a number of points to make.
1. If the term "Negro" or any derivitive of this word was a racial slur then why is it in the english dictionary and why on talksport all week has this word been acceptable to broadcast when we all know that if the other "N" word was used then this would not have been broadcast on air..... So its ok for Stan Collymore to use it but not Luis Suarez? WTF...
2. The only place on earth where this term is offensive is in the deep south in America because of the painfull memories it envokes for African Americans... My dad is black and is from Mississippi and my mum is white and from Kirkby hence my supporting Liverpool. When I was younger she told me a story about them pulling in to a petrol station in Mississippi and whilst my dad was paying for fuel 3 Rednecks approached my mum and threatened her by shoving a gun in her face for being with my dad.... Thats Racism and in a week where the Stephen Lawrence Case went back to court to think that the majority of air time has been given to 2 minor incidents (in my opinion) leaves me feeling uneasy.
3. The opposite term to "negro" for a white man is caucasian (spelling). What white man would be offended by this word?
4. Its easy for 2 people from different countries having a misunderstanding based on language.... Why has Gus Poyet been totally destroyed in the media for saying essentially the same thing? The fact is we try to think of ourselves as bastions of morality in this country and yet we would rather discuss and debate an incident involving two footballers concerning racism than a young lad being killed at a bus stop by racist thugs.
Just a few thoughts/ramblings about what I think.... Welcome any thoughts
jonnybarnes89-90
Yes, there seems to be a hang over from 'Empire' where the moralistic British viewpoint (which was in the vanguard of fighting slavery) was always correct and Johnny foreigner must acknowledge this.
Fact is johnny foreigner appears more educated than we Brits these days and are more balanced in their thought process.
Racism after all is about venting the idea that you are superior to someone else by way of birth/colour/religion, which leads to all sorts of abuse from the holy wars to genocide, not about name calling which is verbal abuse and obviously no where near as serious.
19 Nov 2011 14:12:48
The sad news that Brad Jones' son, has died, just 4 years old, makes you wonder why people get upset over football!
YNWA Luca Jones, R.I.P
Really puts things in perspective
our hearts go out to him and his family at this terrible time may his son finally rest in peace after fighting so hard for so long
19 Nov 2011 14:05:13
I was just reading that Brad Jones' son has sadly passed away.
Condolences to him and his family on this tragic news.
The Real KB
Desperate news. Just makes you have a reality check on what's important in life.
God Bless Lucas Jones!
The Irish Rover
I think our club has been superb the way they have given Brad and his wife all the support the could. I saw their interview and they are a lovely couple.
Luca - You Will Never Walk Alone.
My thoughts are with Brad and his family YNWA. Terrible news.
JRG
19 Nov 2011 13:43:36
hi ed liverpool need an irish player any chance of us getting 1 either in jan or the summer. thanks. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}
19 Nov 2011 13:31:47
Hello fellow reds
i would love to see us bring in the likes of
-Wes hoolahan (Norwich) absolute class. 29 years old would be a bargain buy. much quicker than lucas and very creative.
- Juniour Hoilett (Blackburn) 21 years old. Absolute class and would cherish the opportunity to come to a top club.
- Hugo Rodallega (Wigan) 26 yearls old. plays as a striker or on the RW.
The above players would sign on the cheap and would snap liverpools hands off.
I would like to see us sign one more player
- Adam johnson or scott sinclair NOT sheamus coleman
Also wish bellamy would start with suarezzz
please post ed and what is the likeliness of the following signing.
L-TP
Pilkington from Norwich also looks a handy player. Hoilett would be my no1 signing.
Johnson has just signed a new contract!
Yeah he might of just signed a new contract but didnt torres just b4 he was sold??
big red john
Torres didnt want to be at Liverpool, Johnson doesnt want to be either.
19 Nov 2011 13:22:42
Straw poll. Should we be booing the spaniard tomorrow? Hit agree/disagree.
Jack the groove
Get over it pal,no one actually cares about torres anymore.
paul
The only Chelsea players we should boo are Terry and Lampard.
19 Nov 2011 13:20:39
Straw poll. Should we be booing Raul tomorrow? Hit agree/disagree.
Dont boo Raul. he say that he Love LFC fan and he thanks us to help him be a player he is. and he will not celibrate if he score agenest us.
19 nov 2011 12:41:14
jans ins & outs!!
in
luuk de jong & hugo rodallega
out
maxi & kuyt
Wont get 2 strikers, De Jong best shout then a winger, and centre mid
Rodallega is lazy and has a bad attitude.
19 Nov 2011 12:28:43
The problem with Andy Carroll is that he is seen as a one trick pony by many football critics. However he is a very good one trick pony and despite being labelled as a one trick pony, he certainly has other footballing abilities that can make him a prolific goalscorer. Despite this everybody was expecting Carroll to be leaping to every crossed ball, finding the back of the net and creating goal chances for Suarez. This was what everybody was expecting, so why is it not happening?
The answer may lie in the fact that everybody knows why Liverpool signed Carroll which makes Liverpool a predictable side to play against. Despite this, Andy Carroll has fantastic ability and can rise to the challenge. It will take somebody with that little bit extra to open defences in the face of such predictability and Carroll definitely has this ability. At the moment, this weight of expectation from Carroll is a little bit unfair.
Nice support of the lad but he is gonna have to start showing that ability and that he is worth of our no.9 shirt.
19 Nov 2011 11:31:23
booing Torres is pathetic. Its real sour grapes . just support our own and forget the rest.
As a LFC supporter we have a right to do whatever we want when it comes to our team.
I think you'll find that will include supporting our own and booing whatever former player we feel let us down.
Get back to you own chelski page please
...and it only motivates players further to throw it back in your face.
Torres won us many a game. We were not going anywhere fast when he left us and we got £50million for him.
Yes, its childish.
'I think you'll find..' ooooooh very clever and impressive writing.
"'I think you'll find..' ooooooh very clever and impressive writing"........
Thanks. Even though I thought I should dumb-down my writing to a level most mancs would be able to read and understand - you still found it impressive :-)
RedAllOverButNotSore
19 Nov 2011 10:05:59
Typical Ferguson using the press again, quite unbelievable but the FA will do nothing. What his comments do prove is that it is a case of the only evidence the FA have is one word against the other. If I was Suarez I would demand a police investigation as it would be thrown out in seconds. How can the FA commit such an injustice by charging a player with such flimsy evidence. If they were the Crown Prosecution Service it would thrown out in seconds. Luis go to the police and demand it before the kangaroo court sits.
What utter carp.
So every charge just involve the police to try and get off.
Stop defending Suarez and see the result of fa charge
We can defend him as he is our player and not a manc.
He is innocent at least until proven guilty so feck off
Utter Carp I hear. Well consider this, ferguson has just gone and broken FA rules by discussing the case and accusing Liverpool, (without evidence) of leaking information. How can he get away with putting pressure on the FA in such a way.
You also suggest that Suarez is not going to be convicted in a Kangaroo Court and will receive a fair hearing. If that is the case how can one persons word agai st another's constitute enough evidence for a conviction. Not only that what ever words were spoken, they have to prove they were tactically motivated. You tell me Suarez can get a fair hearing in the current climate, not a chance. He is guilty in there eyes regardless of what he says and that is Kangaroo justice.
Let's see what happens with Tery, because I bet the Police drop the charges against him at the advice of the CPS. If they do, he cannot be brought to justice by the FA as the Police have said there is no case. Wait and see what happens, but it is so predictable it's scary. Open your eyes mate.
19 Nov 2011 09:25:37
Something to ponder about our lack of goals, although we have the second highest number of shots in the league at 194 only 1 in 4 have been on target. I know we top the woodwork league as well but maybe the lads are trying a little too hard and over egging it? Hope they get it right against pesky cheski!
Iggypop
19 Nov 2011 08:13:27
we shold try to lure afellay and gyan both players r chaep but talented not given enough hances in thier respective clubs
{Ed001's Note - cheap? Gyan? You might want to check up, he is not in anyway cheap and Afellay is injured.}
19 Nov 2011 08:10:54
team vs chelsea
johnson carra agger enrique
lucas
henderson c.adam
downing bellamy
suarez
Close but wrong Carroll to start with Luis behind him in the Gerrard roll,Kuyt and DOWNING on th wings with Bellamy and Henderson on the bench.And we will also have a GOALKEEPER!!!!
I know we are good but to play with no goalie is a bit risky even it is only judas taking the shots against us
Expect KD to go 5 at the back. Skrtel, Carra an Agger to play.
You have very little faith in pepe LOL
Yes, very well expect 5 at the back, we played 5-4-1 against them last time and won 0-1, so I expect a 3-5-2ish formation.
Reina
Kelly - Carra - Agger
Johnson - Enrique (Wing-backs)
Kuyt - Henderson - Downing
Suarez
Carroll
MAny key players in this line up, last season our defending and patience won us the game.
Enrique/Agger: Have to stop Mata absolutely have to stop him from getting those balls in.
Kelly/Johnson: Malouda, thats their target, stop him from making those runs and getting inside the box
Carragher: Torres, SHALL NOT PASS.
Lucas: Has to fill up the open spaces, if Lampard gets a chance, he will take it, seeing the form he's in.
Downing: Must TERRORIZE the man who plays at RB and get the crosses in to Carroll
Suarez: Needs to create the chances and not fall over, has to keep his head.
Carroll: Plain and simple: But the ball into the back of the net.
We have to have three in the middle only way we can stop them from dominating
pepe
johnson skrtel agger enrique
spearing lucas
kuyt adam downing
suarez
or
pepe
johnson skrtel agger enrique
kelly lucas
downing adam aureilo
suarez
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Henderson Lucas Adam
Suarez Carroll Downing
19 Nov 2011 07:57:36
is there a chance for liverpool siging darren bent ?
he has done wonderful job for lower tabled clubs. man has great finishing skills with foot and header. never played for a bigger club. can we tempt him
VILLA and SPURS are big clubs and themselves are looking at getting into euro spots.
They are not global big though are they;)
Should have bought Bent in his Charlton days. Everyone could see he was a class player. Now too expensive.
19 Nov 2011 07:50:59
I have to agree with Poyets comments and typical of Fergie to get involved again. I have worked in south America and have heard first hand at the language the use. They have words we would obviously deem as racist but they are not to them. Both black and white people use them. I personally think if Suarez has said this he doesn't need punished just educated as to what is acceptable and what he cannot say even though in his mind and culture it is not racist.
Gazza
Is ignorance a defence?
Yes it is
Ignorance has to be a defence, unless education is provided. Each player should be issued with a dossier regarding terms that are deemed to be racist by the F.A. This should extend to languages other than English.
neekcub
Well yeah there is a difference between knowing and not,
did any of you ever call anyone from Ireland paddy?
I'm Irish and would not find "paddy" particularly offensive. It would depend on the context of course, if there was anger or hate in the name calling it would change the situation. We have to also remember that "negro" is the Spanish for Black. To us "negro" and its more loaded derivatives, have racist connotations, but to a Spanish Speaker it is also a word associated with colour not race. In the multi-race and multi-ethnic South American societies, the use of colour to describe a person is not as contentious as it is in Europe. These societies had over four hundred years to develop, since Europeans arrived there, coming into contact with indigineous peoples, and then started bringing slaves from Africa. Terms such as negro, mulatto, mestizo, moreno and so on do not necessarily have racist connotations in these societies. Remember that in comparison England has only seen large numbers of non-whites for the last 60-70 years and is as yet a young multicultural/racial/ethnic society.
If he does 50 in a 30 and says the speed limit in Uruguay is 50 do they let him off?
^^ makes no sense at all because it would be able to see the 30 sign whereas when he said negrito to evra there was no sign saying "negrito is racist"
19 Nov 2011 07:48:46
Talk about pot, kettle and black who the f*** does whiskey nose think he is all of a sudden hes a saint devoted to defending the FA and the cronies by attacking LFC hope the board sees sense and drops these erroneous charges against Louis. Also a remarkable turnaround from Platini regarding punishment for foul play in financial rules talking about reducing it to fines instead of European competition bans. Could this have anything to do with PSG suddenly becoming a meg rich arab owned club?
TonyC
U can't call the kettle or the pot 'black' mate... ;-)
19 Nov 2011 06:15:08
the future..
gk - gulacsi
rb - kelly / flanagan
cb - wisdom
cb - coates / wilson
lb - robinson
dm - coady
cm - henderson / shelvey
am - suso
rf - silva
cf - carroll / morgan
lf - sterling
Lets first worry about the present
Sporting Lisbon would still dik on that side
19 Nov 2011 05:48:16
i dont think our priority come January will be to buy striker or defender. we are lacking a creative spark in the midfield that gerrad used to fill . we need to look for
an attacking midfielder . i see only gotez as the best solution. anyways whatever kenny does has a reason so we cant judge the man . he is legend and he will get us back at the top . YNWA Ramses
Maxi?
AM OR RW
Since when was maxi a playmaker?
19 Nov 2011 02:49:27
I reckon kenny and co will be mainly aiming for the future but i would love to see coutinho and lucas moura cause there both young and class