19 Oct 2013 22:15:36
Gerrard and Sturridge gave it everything they had last week to ensure England qualified for the WC, Suarez likewise for Uruguay. Johnson only has returned from injury. Cissoko had to come in late with the injury to Enrique and has barely played for us. We were also playing in front of 50,000 upbeat Geordies who were right behind their team after their last few performances. They also have a player in cabaye who is top notch and top of his game. We were also missing coutinho, Lucas, agger and also as mentioned Enrique. so taking all that into account a point is a point and keeps us in the top 4 where we need to be. Our major rivals for 4th this season will be spurs and Manchester United so we are still ahead and that's where we need to stay.
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19 Oct 2013 21:56:36
Disappointed about the result today but the chances created should have been enough to win the game. It would be a bigger worry if we hadn't mustered any chances.
With the 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 we are playing two positions are key to add depth to the team, no. 10 and your sweeper. Coutinho is a big loss and Moses is clearly not a no. 10. The formation is crying out for agger, a ball player who can push out into midfield rather than us having our midfield pairings picking the ball up from our centre backs. It would also offer better balance at the back. It's not ideal to have three ball winners and nobody who is overly comfortable on the ball. Also the middle of the back three needs to be a good communicator and skrtels not that. If we persevere with this formation agger has to play.
Cheers
I just hope he goes back to 4 at the back. If coutinho was out there today we would of won. Spot on Moses not a number 10 and was pretty poor at times today. Alberto did alright so I'd give him a go next week. I'm not having ago at sakho because I do genuinely like him as a player but why has dagger been left out for him? We need him back in. Gerrard quality. Legend
I disagree with this kolo and skrtel are comfortable on the ball maybe not agger's level but they can bring the ball out if they want to. our major problem is the two midfielders who tend to struggle under any kind of pressure
We play too deep and invite all the pressure.
19 Oct 2013 21:02:25
Eds.as per normal all the moaners are at it again ok we should have won the game let's give Newcastle credit sometimes these things happen, I inmy opinion I dnt think we've played that well all season but sit 2 points off top postives players are returning and our form will improve let's get behind the boys how many points did we have after 8 games last season mmm says it all ynwa
20 Oct 2013 11:49:35
45 mts. against 10 men. not the best Defense the world, yet failed to score, and you say people should moan?
ohh wait let's celebrate of getting a hard fought draw against New castle UTD (Bayern Munich).
What is our record against Newcastle harry.
I think your being a tad disrepectfull towards them.
20 Oct 2013 15:11:02
Red Branch
No Disrespect, But are they in the mix of top 4?. common We are Liverpool fc. looking for CL, I don't think Chelsea or city would respect a point from st james park.
19 Oct 2013 20:20:43
Harry, yes I did see the arsenal score today mate, they played the same team that we put 10 past home and away last season! Stop getting carried away! You keep saying we haven't played anybody, somehow excluding the fact that we played united at home and then heap praise on arsenal who have only played tottenham at home who were beaten at home to west ham prior to the internationals! And we will see where we are come xmas, and do you know what? Even if we are seventh, they will get the same support from me now than when we are top of the league because they are my team!
Ian the red
Well said Ian.
We all know a Harry down the pub, the type of guy that whinges for the sake of whinging. Reads the daily mail and is generally unhappy with everything that surrounds them but far too effing lazy to change anything.
Wouldn't let them worry you mate like attracts like and all that.
Ian the red, good points well made lad
Yeah nice one lad.totally agree
Ian mate, I think it is obvious that we have made an improvement from last season. I for one am glad we have started picking up hard fought points.
20 Oct 2013 10:58:11
well said ian we can't all just moan about not getting 3 points every week there is not ateam in the league hasn't had a bad result r 2 so far this season and imo 70 points could be enough to get top 4 which I think we r capable of, so that in itself shows the improvement that has been made.However even brendan said when he took the job that it would take several windows to get us where we all want to be, so in the meantime let's be fans like ian who realize that support is just as important when we get to a dodgy couple of results as when your sitting top of the league, not looking at fixture lists and anticipating a bad time for our team.
I think harry is a realist . yes newcastle defended, but they where easy to get in behind if lfc could be bothered trying and it certainly wasnt the seige of the allamo, on current form norwich are handfull for any team they played very well yesturday and gave chelsea a very tough game the other week as well, the differance is arsenal didn't play particularly well yesturday apart from the last 15-20 minutes when they just ripped it up, they are pure cream to watch, but lfc don't seem to have that ability in them, I just don't think lfc have the players to do it simples.
20 Oct 2013 11:53:12
The Word
all the above members believe, we would win the remaining 30 games. Some here believe west brom is another easy win.
If we beat arsenal away. I ll shave my head completely.
Hey word
u seem pretty deluded.its the same arsenal team which struggled to get into the top four last season. u think arsenal are title challengers just because u bought oezil?news flash just like us u haven't played any top team bar spurs.wait till u play the big boys Chelsea, the mancs, Liverpool.i can guarantee u will lose some of those games.as for Liverpool being not upto it we'll see come may, as far as i'm concerned we are as good as arsenal.we r 2 points behind your club and have not even played to potential yet.
oh and by the way, why don't u visit the arsenal page once in a while?is it a snooze fest?trolls I tell ya.
20 Oct 2013 11:56:40
The Word.
the only player who could have caused some problem was Countinho Injured, and the next closest is Alberto who is on bench.
arsenal if they loose ozil. they have Carzola. Walcott, Podolski. they have Terriffic team.
provided by wilshere behind, even Ramsy is on fire.
If we need to score, then sturridge and suarez has to drop deep to collect the ball and start attacking their own.
If someone man mark suarez, then its over.
20 Oct 2013 11:59:32
Ian the red.
UTD at home?. we also lost to them in the carling Cup.
Man UTD vs Liverpool match i'd decided by the venue.
simple. they loose at Anfield and we loose at OT.
and common. If anyone are certain to drop down from Top4, is UTD.
19 Oct 2013 20:17:40
Just a thought, wouldn't Alberto be a better fit in the AM position than Moses? Thought he didn't contribute much today and conceded possesion quite a fair bit. Thoughts please?
19 Oct 2013 20:23:00
Its from 3 weeks.
Moses did create the second goal.
Absolutely! Moses is a decent wide player and to be honest, a very poor attacking midfielder. The number of times he gave away the ball was ridiculous. I think he has been poor and should be used wide.
We should pay Chelsea to take him back.
20 Oct 2013 21:07:13
Aguero.
What a hit son. what a hit.
Harry scousser
19 Oct 2013 19:02:13
We are within two points of the top which is great. Still, the performance today was poor an I really don't agree with the 3 Cb being our constant formation. It is all to obvious that without Coutinho we are without midfield creativity, and forcing Moses into that role is not going to solve the issue.
Bringing Sterling on for Johnson was a real question mark. I will stick to my opinion that sterling needs to go On loan. He is not as good a last season, and needs to build strength and confidence elsewhere.
Final point: why is it the international break only affects Liverpool players. Ozil, Hazard et al didn't look too fazed!
19 Oct 2013 19:22:31
We are sitting top, because we haven't played against the Top 4 teams yet.
The only tough team played was Southampton and we lost.
19 Oct 2013 19:25:59
Suarez looked good today, after the long travel, The above mentioned players are real quality. and that's the difference.
Does Utd not count as a tough team anymore?
Our fixture list has been very kind so far - our current points tally is the very least we might have expected - there are much tougher games to come, we need as many points as possible before they arrive.
Harry scousser - I agree. After the next 11 games before Christmas we will get a better idea of our improvement since last year. We play all the following teams away. Arsenal, Everton, Spurs, City and Chelsea. 15 hard away points making it essential to win our home games.
19 Oct 2013 20:14:50
Statto
kool. and yet some fans wanna take positive from tonight's draw.
they have made Newcastle look like Bayern Munich away. and that's the difference between us and Manchester United last season. they somehow scrap all 3 points.
We should have won this game, No excuse what so ever in my eyes.
19 Oct 2013 20:15:26
Irish Rover,
Nope, they won't finish in Top 4 this season
Did you watch the game Harry? We dominated but left our shooting boots at home. It happens. Top 4 was always going to be tough and going to places like Newcastle and winning is not a guarantee for any pl side.
If you were to grade our season so far we'd probably all agree it's a case of 'could do better' and yet we sit in third and for all the years I've watched Liverpool we've improved come the second half of the season. So let's not pop the cyanide just yet (or the champers) it's going to be a long slog for every team to get top 4, not just us.
20 Oct 2013 10:14:20
1) You've called united not a tough side because they won't make top 4, then said Southampton was the only tough game we've played.
Granted, Soton have had a cracking start to the season with 3 goals conceded, but to imply Soton are better than United is crazy.
2) You then reference United by saying they would have scrapped 3 points. Tell me, how many times last year did United win away? A few maybe.but it wasn't 19 games was it?
No, top teams will drop away points.
3) Newcastle away is far from one of the easier away games in the league. Great fan support and a massive capacity. Mark my words, they will beat at least one top team there this year.
Great performance? No. Great result? No.
Are we still right up there? Yes. Best start to a PL season in years? Yes. Scoring goals? Yes. Coutinho to come back? Yes.
I feel the positives still outweigh the negatives.
We drew 2-2 at St James's Park. Anybody would think we lost 3-0 at home to West Ham!
20 Oct 2013 12:03:21
Welshboy
You are relying too much on Countinho, Yesterday was the game to be won, with or without Countinho.
Ther's absolutely no positive from yesterday's game.
New castle might be a good team, But a Top 4 quality team should always beat a 10 men team.
20 Oct 2013 14:11:56
I only mentioned it once, at the end. And I only listed it as it is a positive. You can't argue that's not the case?
Yes, with or without him we should have won. But credit where it's due, Newcastle made it hard for us and in the end were probably worth a share of the spoils!
19 oct 2013 18:33:25
red from glasgow here getting increasingly frustrated at trying to tickets for west brom game for my wife and i and my 2 kids. the online sale is never available and don't fancy paying £200 each for the thomascook thing.help fellow reds i just wanna see a game at anfield with my family for normal ticket prices.
The West Brom game is sold out mate. However you can buy tickets for the Fulham game. The sale will start from Monday 21st October at 8.15 am.
Keep an eye on the LFC website, they have late ticket sales due to returned tickets. This week for example has a late sale for the Fulham game and the West Brom game. These are available to members only but a membership only cost about £30 and gives you priority to tickets, along with other benefits.
Good Luck
Cheers lads, officially a member now though. Heres hoping I get to anfield soon with my boy. It'll be a dream come true for us both, you would think I was the kid. lol. YNWA
19 Oct 2013 18:13:53
Still very angry about that performance but I want to ask the other Liverpool fans 2 questions.
1. Why did it take an eternity for BR to change the formation? Newcastle went one upfront and where obviously relying on counter attacks and set pieces so why did we need 5 at the back? I don't like that formation anyway but surely it shouldn't take for them to inevitably score again until we changed it.
2. And do you think we should've done what I thought was obvious and Arsenal did, in splashing the cash on a world class player to push on and catch up on City United and Chelsea who are in a manager swapping transition period. Just seems like an opportunity lost and Arsenal are proving it
Appreciate any thoughts, thanks
We tried for Mkhitaryan, Diego Costa and Willian. So cannot fault the management on trying. Also, Suarez ended up staying, that might have contributed to us going for Moses on loan as opposed to buying someone for the attack.
As for the formation, I am not the biggest fan of this 3-4-1-2. We end up conceding way to much territory in the flanks and their 1st goal came that way. Not sure why BR had another 3 defenders on the bench either, which made it a total of 8 defenders in the matchday squad!
1st question fair enough.
2nd question is stupid. We don't have champions league mate so can only buy a certain calibre of player.
A question for you;
Do you really think Ozil would have gone to Arsenal if they didn't have champions league?!?!?!?
I agree with the formation change. I would of done it at half time. Considering BR said that the team we went with was the strongest our bench lacked attacking options today. Alberto for me needs to start ahead of Moses, he gives our midfield much better balance, he looks good and deserves to start against WBA as you say. In a 352 Moses doesn't fit in its harsh but pretty simple to me.
Having said that sturridge should of had a hatrick, it was an off day for most of the players and that won't be the case every week.
19 Oct 2013 19:24:47
Fair play.
wen you opposing team is down to 10 men, you should drop one of your CB and play flat 4-4-2, or even 4-3-3, we should have won the game.
1) Not sure, but both goals conceded had little to do with formation and, attacking wise, it was changed with a good half an hour left to find a couple of goals - we simply weren't good enough.
2) Well we did try but how serious those attempts were are unclear. Fact is we have no CL and limited funds, spending 40mil on an Ozil type player just isn't an option unless someone is sold.
19 Oct 2013 20:17:08
Seano,
No mate.thank the owners, we had money and we are right up there in the money spend.
Its the player you buy.
Thanks for the replies.
1. I'm glad people agree on the formation point. It was painful to watch in all honesty, and I agree Alberto needs to play instead of Moses on Saturday if Coutinho isn't available
2. I disagree we didn't have the money, also I don't buy into that 'no champions league' crap either. Players use that as an excuse, yes I think if we offered more money and wages for Ozil he would've come to Liverpool. That's my opinion though
Harry we might be one of the top spenders on transfer fees but we can't afford to give players 200k a week wages.
20 Oct 2013 10:22:00
Even if you genuinely think we could have tempted him with more money than Arsenal, how the hell do you expect us to have trumped the £43 million they spent, or the wages he's on?
I hate examples like this, as many top players flop in this league as adapt, people use this as a 'I told you so' when in truth they had no more clue than the rest of us as to whether or not he'd flop or make it.
Anybody still sorry we didn't spend over £30 on Willian?
Ed002, fancy enlightening us to how much Ozil actually cost Arsenal? No way we could have bought him without selling Suarez, end of.
{Ed002's Note - (a) Transfer fee - which was registered with UEFA as €50M.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).}
20 Oct 2013 14:14:47
Thanks Ed. Anybody still doubting we could have tried for him needs to read that!
19 Oct 2013 17:58:54
Disappointed of course that we couldn't defeat 10-man Newcastle, but I thought we missed Coutinho's creative spark and generally looked lacklustre. Seemed to me like the international break has taken its toll on some players. We just couldn't find the high tempo we needed to break them down.
The defending for their goals was shoddy. Having said that we missed enough chances to kill off the game. Still, a point's better than nowt and we're still to get back some key players, Lucas and Coutinho being the main ones. Roll on West Brom, we're due a good win against them.
Why haven't people replied to this post?
Because you have nailed it my friend. If this game was played Sunday afternoon I think we would have seen a totally different performance by us.
Injuries will always come and go but the internationals this time really took a toll on the players. I'm not complaining like. I think that's a point earned with all considered and many teams will find it hard up at Newcastle this year.
19 Oct 2013 17:46:49
Who is this harry scousser and what is his beef? I've been on this site now for yonks and never have I read so much dross in all my life! Fair enough we should have beat a ten men newcastle but can't we give a little bit of credit to them when its due? And this infatuation with suarez is ridiculous at times! This is the man who was willing to turn his back on us but three months ago yet harry scousser drools all over him even when he wasnt at his most effective today, and was at times lazy off the ball which isn't like him! Why can't we just be happy with the fact that we are in the top four, not really clicked into gear yet with much more to come?
Ian the red
Harry is a Suarez supporter and a LFC fan.
Well said. True fans support their team and the players who play for the badge through the ups and downs
He may be a lfc fan real AG but his support is questionable at best! And was there a need for the sarcasm mate? I just feel that support could be better at times! he's quick to slate the rest but support the one who was angling away for a move in the summer and according to ed02 still is! Players like henderson deserve all the credit they get because he's gives everything he has week in week out, people need to open there eyes now and again!
Ian the red
19 Oct 2013 19:29:59
And I am proud of it. I like Suarez. and I like more than most of the current 11. I did liked Torres. and I stlil Like him.
But above all, I love Liverpool, or else I would have been with other clubs.
The same Suarez saved the day mate.
Out of the 11 who were on the pitch. he looked the best.
Cant help mate. some players are just pure quality. treasure for your eyes.
and we have very very few in our current 11. You can't blame me or the people who like him. he is liked because of his sheer brilliance on the pitch.
Match that, and I ll start liking another player.
19 Oct 2013 19:31:31
I an the red
We are in top 4 courtesy of some easy fixtures. come December mate. and we ll discuss whee we are.
Have you seen arsenal play today. We are going there to start our real test in 2 weeks.
BTW. west brom would be tougher than New castle.
19 Oct 2013 19:34:02
The Real AG.
Spot on mate. so what you think, People across the world support Chelsea?. Do they actually know what's their history?. common very few are born near to the club and rest watch them on TV for 90 mts. and the only thing they see is hazzard, lampard, torres and willian.
Barcelona fan base would have been doubled, just of the little master Messi.
19 Oct 2013 19:59:05
I an the Red.
Players like Henderson deserve all the credit they get because he's gives everything he has week in week out, people need to open there eyes now and again!
If and only If football is measured in terms of Emotions and not on Revenue. then we might even call back Downing. he too was very hard working.
Henderson is a decent player. But I don't think he would get into any top teams across.
And common mate. let's be honest, he was awful today.
and goodness me, how can you credit players who had a shocker today on pitch.
how many employers in your area pay the wages on the love and emotion rather than skill and productivity?
Harry, there are no easy fixtures in this league mate, cliche I know but its the truth! In this league you win games on merit! And yor comment regarding you will support another player on the pitch when they match the brilliance of suarez is simply staggering really! We will never achieve anything with reidiculous support like this its just garbage!
Ian the red
19 Oct 2013 21:29:57
I an red.
You ain't getting me. Out of the lots I like Suarez most. and if someone else come better than him, then he goes to 2nd position.
I like everyone. but you ll always have your fav one. (Gerrard being exception)
Ian the red
I think you misunderstood my post mate. I meant that Harry loves Suarez more than LFC. The regulars here know that I have had my run-ins with Harry. I believe harry even complained about me once!
I agree with most of what harry says. We should've won today, Suarez is our best player. What's the problem?
19 Oct 2013 17:43:58
Can't help feel like it's 2 points lost, but an away draw at Newcastle isn't the worst result, but still feel a bit gutted at how it turned out. Cabaye goal was a screamer, and their other was a 'right place right time, good finish' - I thought we played ok with 3 at the back again. Need a win next week, another tough game. Delighted for Southampton.
For their second, Sakho and Cissokho were both at fault.
We definitely are due a win against West Brom. They did the double over us last season
19 Oct 2013 19:35:02
The Real AG.
Can see a hard fought draw at Anfield. West brom are good team and play 4-3-3, home or away.
The real AG- Sakho at fault? No Skrtel took up the perfect position but then charged forward to challenge with Toure a man he had no chance of reaching. Skrtel totally at fault, little Sakho could do to react once it was flicked on. {Ed001's Note - actually, Sakho had time to clear it but left it deliberately, then tried to tell Cissokho off for not warning him that there was a man behind him. In fact, he should have cleared it anyway, unless he got a shout to tell him that there was no one behind him. So the first mistake was Skrtel's, but Sakho was also at fault.}
Ed001 basically just explained what I was about too, Seano.
Harry, West Brom are a good team but I expect us to bounce back.
Fair enough lads I stand corrected - just saw it again on MOTD, maintain Skrtel was at fault but Sakho definitely left it as well and so must take the blame too. Think we can all agree that, against 10 men (ourselves with 3 centre backs) that we should be able to defend a set piece. 3 points gone although in fairness our sloppiness and lack of tempo + intensity in the second half needed a kick up the backside, shame it took a goal to provide one.
19 Oct 2013 17:38:57
draw was a fair result at the end. the performance wasnt great at all. but on the positive side, we are now upset that we couldn't stay at the top of the table where as last year we were struggling to get into the top 10 at this time. with our minimum objective being top 4 spot, we are very much on track at the moment. and with coutinho nearing towards his return and with a full fit squad we might play better in the next games. and btw how many of you agree that luis alberto should be played as CAM against WBA?
#YNWA
19 Oct 2013 17:56:45
Last time by this year. we had played all the top teams above us.
Absolutely he should start against WBA, Moses is lost in there. Looked a much better player when moved onto the left today.
No Harry, last season, in our first 8 games, we played Arsenal, Manchester United and Man City.
More horse rubbish from Harry.
19 Oct 2013 19:36:05
The Real AG
and who were the other 5 teams?
This year the only tough team I believe we faced was Southampton and we lost at home.
Hard to play the teams above us Harry when we have been sitting top for awhile :)
@ The Real AG
I know Harry can talk a lot of dross but he is right in this instance. Our fixture list last season was insanely difficult at the beginning. This season it has been laughably tame - we are so high in the league because most of the teams we have played haven't been that good. Comparisons with last season shouldn't be made until a few of the top teams have been played.
Harry, I don't understand your question. If you mean last season, the other 5 teams were:
Norwich (Won, 2-5, away)
Stoke (Drew 0-0, home)
Reading (Won 1-0, home)
Sunderland (Drew 1-1, away)
West Brom (Lost 0-3, away)
You have to draw some positives lads rather than keep going at each other.
We have majorly improved on last year already. With the defensive and goal keeping signings.
Scoring goals was never a problem. Letting them in was. Think Skrtel against City, Reina against City and many many more.
Now mistakes happen and the team was growing and learning a new ethos.
This year we have lost just 1 league game which is better than last year and I believe we will raise our game and get stronger now. No more international distractions and players returning from injury will be to our advantage.
We will beat West Brom next week and the real test will be Arsenal. I can't wait we should have beat them last year being 2 nil up but mistakes cost us.
19 Oct 2013 17:27:11
We really need to win games like that against 10 men to sustain a realistic challenge for Top 4- what concerned me was the lack of urgency. When we were building our play was slow and sideways and Newcastle had enough time to get their players in formation behind the ball.
Sturridges touch let him down at a crucial moment and when he gets the ball in a deep position I have noticed he dwells on the ball far too long wanting to take loads of touches- I know he is young but he And BR really need to work on that side of his game
On a positive note we didn't lose and we are still above our arch rivals
A win next week will give us some momentum to take into the game at the Emirates
I agree, there was a lack of urgency especially towards to end. However I feel we are getting better, look how we was last year.
19 Oct 2013 17:15:08
so only 1 point for today. Seeing the performance I don't think there is so much negativity to be made. Everyone is saying Newcastle had 10 men and we should have won due to the advantage but clearly when you have 10 men do you think they were playing regular football? NO. they just defended for their lives for more than an hour. Their 2nd goal obviously lack of focus on defense from a free kick but what can you do except try to learn from your mistakes. We had a great percentage of possession, why? we just kept passing the ball back and forth in front of their goal because we could not find a way in. they had all 10 men in front of their goal defending so everyone who thinks it should have been easy to win you are wrong. I actually thought we played good possession football and of course there was sloppy passing and our players look tired but most of them just came back from qualifiers. I don't think Newcastle had most of their players at qualifiers do you? I think Moses was our undoing to be honest. He looked sloppy, tired and unfocused. He probably lost the ball more than anyone on the field and I would have taken him out, put in alberto because he looked quick on the ball. Hopefully with a week of training we can go home strong for next game. Be patient people. When we were joint first in the league last week everyone was saying don't get carried away there is still a long season left. Now that we drop 2 points everyone is freaking out basically saying we have destroyed our chances already. Patience is key. YNWA.
19 Oct 2013 19:10:22
This is perfect.
Eds, can you just paste this in as a note every time somebody gets lairy?
YNWAdam
Erm Newcastle scored there second after going down to 10 men.
we didn't play well enough, we should have won.
19 Oct 2013 17:08:57
A draw against a ten man Newcastle Utd side isn't the end of the world.
It could be worse, we could be a mid-table team like Man Utd!
19 Oct 2013 17:07:07
If Southampton are to compete for a Champions League place then they really need to be beating these mid table sides!
Classic
19 Oct 2013 16:54:03
God to be fair arsenal are flying hopefully the wheels come of!
But come on let's be honest dropped points today unlucky to be fair we had our chances just get our main players fit you all no who and get them clicking
If you want to know why we won't finish in the Top 4, todays game will give you the answer.
We will continue to drop points in games that are there for the taking. Once Newcastle went down to 10 men, the players seemed to think it was a formaility and didn't up the tempo until time was running out. Our rivals for a Top 4 spot will make sure they win these gamess.
The passing was awful. I lost count of the number of times we gave the ball away under no pressure. Moses is just not good enough, which is why Chelsea don't want him. They'll probably demand an exhorbitant fee at the end of the season and we will snap up another useless player. 3 centre backs and none of them can head away a basic cross. Meanwhile Agger sits on the bench.
Are we the only team that had players away on international duty? After every international break we struggle. No doubt we'll get posts from the deluded who say we are only 2 points off the top but they need to get used to Liverpool building up their hopes and then letting them down.
Everyone who played today should be ashamed to not come away with 3 points from that game. I'll make an exception for Luis Alberto, whoat least looked like he was trying to create something.
redmersey
They were poor for 75 minutes though, to be fair. That said, I still think Real screwed up selling Oezil and I have no idea who the world class player pretending to be Ramsey is.
And City will not win the league getting beat against newly promoted Cardiff.
Arsenal will not win the league drawing against West Brom
Every team has a bad game where they just can not get it right.
Games can not be taken in isolation on the whole things have been pretty positive.
Of course we need to improve in a lot of areas. For a start dead balls yet again we concede.
But as mentioned I think most Liverpool fans on balence are happy with the number of points we have on the board.
19 Oct 2013 16:39:55
On reflection, having cooled down, must admit we are not good enough yet, simple as that. Going 3rd in table and now looking over our shoulder. not whinging but seeing things for what they are. Aim high fellow fans! Aim high!
19 Oct 2013 16:38:25
Everyone moaning at the"moaners" for moaning. Don't get me wrong we need to be very pleased were we are atm in the league but people have the right to moan when were not beating a mid table team with 10 men! We should be winning these games! It looks like everyone has catched/catching back up with us.
In my opinion we are in desperate need of continho as Moses can't play there. Again why did we not keep suso he would of been perfect to rotate with him.
Ed01 what was your opinion on the game and players if you don't mind me asking? {Ed001's Note - the passing was sloppy, the movement was lacking, Moses doesn't fit where he is playing, the system is still not organised properly and Johnson needs to stop cutting inside every time he gets the ball when we are up against ten men. Gerrard was excellent, other than that, no one really showed up particularly well, though Suarez showed flashes of ability. We just looked like a team who had not played together for a while struggling to gel in a new system. The main issue for me has to be Moses though, he just doesn't offer anything like enough to deserve his place in the side, not even the effort required.
What bothers me most of all, I have to say, is the complete lack of pressure on the ball when we lose it. What happened to the high pressing game Rodgers favours? It is even more necessary with a back 3, we need to start pressing or we are going to concede a lot of goals this season.}
I was thinking that with the first goal conceded our defenders seem to keep backing off if they run at us. i'd rather us go back to a 4 3 3 if I'm honest with suarez and continho tucked in behind sturridge. Atleast that way Moses can play on the wing. Really disappointing especially seeing the results of the other teams that was 2 points chucked away
Same as both of you.
me and my mate were saying what happened to winning the ball back within 7 Seconds?
I agree with you Ed this needs to improve.
Maybe the lads were a little fatigued after their international games?
We will need to be a lot better than this to see off the Baggies.
19 Oct 2013 16:32:46
These are the games we SHOULD win, IF we are to gain Top4! Too many lethargic performances, although players were running in honey! Can't understand it. Will not get a better chance against a 10-man Newcastle! Suarez, world class, actually felt sorry for him! Sturridege mus show more composure in front of goal or when the killer pass needs to be made! That's the difference between very good and world-class! We will get there I hope!
Disappointing but early days! Need a more creative attacking central midfielder urgently, I know, bleeding obvious. Gerrard again superb!
Here's to the rest of the season. YNWA
19 Oct 2013 16:19:45
Not a bad point today. Just need to stop losing silly goals. But we are in a decent position and Rodgers is absolutely brilliant for this football club.
If the whingers didn't whinge they would be bored.
19 Oct 2013 16:33:58
This set up won't beat arsenal away. 110% guaranteed. we would be sitting at 7th come decemeber. and you can come here and applaud.
Your right Harry, it probably would not beat Arsenal away, but they way they are playing at the moment. Not many teams would beat them at home.
Lets keep a little perspective.
If asked at the start of the season you asked what would be an acceptable start, I think any balenced Liverpool fan would say not chasing the top 4 teams already.
For all the positive and negative performances and Results, I think most would agree Liverpool have exceeded most peoples expectations to our league position.
Well Harry, not that it would happen, but even if we were 7th, we would come and APPLAUD since we are FANS of this team!
19 Oct 2013 16:15:59
Our shooting was poor today we can't seem to hit the target! Henderson and Johnson's shooting was woeful, I think Newcastle played well and we looked tired, jaded, we dropped two points today, but it's not the end of the world.
19 Oct 2013 16:22:19
How many 2 points will add up to the End. It all will count in May.
A point gained is a point gained is a point gained.
How many 1 points will add up to the end.
It all will count in May.
See what I did there?
Johnson nearly scored, except for great save by Krul. He was out for over a month fyi
19 Oct 2013 16:15:56
had a chance to cool down and reflect a little. if I think of us making top four then a point today is a point. I just keep thinking of us going for the league! wish I could be happy with top four but I still feel that were up there with the other league chasers. am I being nieve? just don't see any other team miles ahead of us especially as we have no european games? what do u think?
I think results like today tend to even themselves across the team who rivalling each other.
City lost to Cardiff
Man U losing West Brom etc
IMO the top 6 positions will be between the top 7 teams playing each other. Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, City and Spurs. that's a potential 36 points to play for.
So put our best team up against the other 6 best available team and you can see were are not as strong as some of the other teams.
So top 4 is still the achievement and anybody looking beyond that is getting too excited by our start to the season where we have only played Man U from the top 7.
19 Oct 2013 15:58:00
is it just me? BR see's every performance as "outstanding" even when we are poor, look tired, and miss loads of chances! don't get me wrong I am happy he is our manager but a bit of honesty would go a long way.
19 Oct 2013 15:53:16
Not Liverpool Related.
What a goal by Wilshere. My god. what a flair. what a pass. Now that's Wilshere on his day. absolutely stunning goal.
Your not wrong harry, one word "stunning"
Lots of luck involved in that as well, Harry. 99 times out of 100 the passes between Wilshire and Girroud get broken up (much like all of ours were).
19 Oct 2013 15:10:20
Frustrating.
Was getting my Prophets all mixed up.
Every time Moses lost the ball I shouted 'Jesus'.
Brilliant
Lots of lol's ;0)
19 Oct 2013 15:08:28
I question BR statement about strongest team. Agger, Coutinho, Enrique and Lucas all need to be back in the team. It's always tough first game back after internationals especially away and after the their first goal I would have taken a point. A week together with a home game next week should put things right again.
19 Oct 2013 15:06:32
We just gave away 2 points. I hope we won't regret we didn't push harder in that 1st half at the end of the season. BTW what happened to Jose Enrique?
19 Oct 2013 15:03:09
And so the negativity starts. I honestly didn't think we were that bad. Newcastle were desperate not to lose again, and had the ground behind them.
Christ, were top aren't we, all be it for a few minutes, but we won't drop far from 2nd. West brom at home next week, stop panicking.
Well done to sg. Couthinos back for west brom, we've got everything to be positive about.
19 Oct 2013 15:24:06
Mate. Its not being Negtive. we should win all these matches if we are looking for Top-4, Or if you are just ok with some point improvement. then. its a good result
We drew against a team that had 10 men for over half the match - why is that positive? It's 2 points dropped which, in the grand scheme of things, could be vital.
If newcastle weren't down to 10men it would have been a fair result. we should have won this game no excuses
Tell you what with a lot people on here its like being on the Big One. One minute its all positivity and the next negativity.
Yes it was not our best performance, but we got something from it. Getting a result whether it a draw or a win when not playing anywhere near our best can only been seen a small positive.
I don't see how these two "dropped" points can be seen as vital, there will be more twists and turns, we are less than 1/3 of the way through the season. So a little over reactive Harry Scousser.
Nice one lad. No one listens to harry anymore anyway. he pretty much contradicts everything he comes outwith.
The postive side of it is we haven't played well or well for 90 minutes all season and were still in the mix
19 Oct 2013 16:25:36
The Holt.
Do u actually care, if we drop 2 points?
I would want you here come decemeber. the all looms and glooms you have right now. would fade away.
@ acesup
any dropped points are vital. This wasn't a game we hung on to or battled for a point - we had a man advantage for over half of it - if we cannot convert such advantage into 3 points then it is 2points dropped. This season the competition for 4th is going to be the strongest it has ever been, 2 points could be the difference between 4th and 5th.
No question we will be talking about this game at the end of the season if we miss out on 4th by a couple of points.
It is going to be very, very tight and we missed a big chance for 3 points here.
19 Oct 2013 15:00:52
Well we went there with a point and we come home with a point, nothing was lost . Atleast, we can go into the next game with confidence - bring on West Brom!
Did we not win there 6 0 last season, watch the game again, we were very poor at times, and most players did not play well at all, they looked like they were on a Stag last night .
19 Oct 2013 14:58:59
A points a point at the end of the day but BR tactics second half as cost us 3 points today.
Newcastle were there for the taking, we should have been 442.
Still above the mancs tho.
I beg to differ. Newcastle was not there for the taking; they were gathering form before the break, and any team playing with 10 men would defend for their lives. We were missing Coutinho, otherwise the lads done ok, we had more shots and almost got the winner. Moses should revert to the wing, not the AM.
Entirely unfair to blame tactics for the draw- simply down to poor finishing and two defensive lapses for me. Sakho, Skrtel, and several others all had free headers or shots that should have been on target and weren't. Cabaye's shot was decent, but he should have been closed down earlier and Mignolet should have done better with it if I'm being honest. Their second was just poor defending.
All in all, the game was there to be won but we made no real effort to do so. Wish we wouldn't try so hard sometimes to walk the ball into the net though.
19 Oct 2013 14:56:37
Newcastle vs Liverpool.
Positives
- 100 Premier League goals for Gerrard.
- Cissohko started off shakey but has got better and better, interesting choice for left back/wing back position.
- Luis Alberto has had some nice touches and passes since coming on.
Negatives
- The sluggish, sloppiness that has permeated our performance today (and in almost every game this season) has been awful
- Skrtel badly at fault for 2nd goal
- Gerrards distribution very inconsistent
- 2nd half performance has only improved when we conceded another goal
- 2 points lost
- Moses has been pretty subdued, doesn't look like he knows his best position
- 3-5-2 definitely did not work today
- Lucas has been missed today, too much space for Newcastle in midfield
- Lack a game changer off the bench
- Sad that we could only draw against ten men, no other 4th place hopeful would be that forgiving against Newcastle
Conclusion
The biggest criticism that could be aimed at us this season is that we seem incapable of performing well for the entire 90 minutes. The game today is an excellent case in point. It was quite a stifled, tight opening but, except for the penalty/red card incident, we were very poor. Slow to build attacking pressure, to open in midfield. Second half we were even more sluggish - it was almost as if we switched off because we thought we were going to win against ten men. Cue horrific defending and again playing catch up. To be fair for the last 20 minutes we played very well but it isn't good enough turning up 25% of a game. The premier league is tough, we need to turn up for 100% of matches and, in all honesty, we are simply not doing that at the moment. We've had possibly the easiest start to the league in terms of fixtures for years but we are not taking full advantage. December is going to be a huge month with a lot of tough games - if we cannot give ourselves a decent points tally before that time we could find ourselves languishing outside the top 4 come January and, if that is the case, I do not imagine us forcing our way back into it. I think most realistic fans would admit we haven't played well enough in any of our games yet - almost as if we need a scare or a goal conceded to shock us into life. I don't think we can keep playing this way and expect to win with any consistency. Our first team is good and we have the attacking talent to score goals - what we lack is anything resembling consistency and a concerted, quality performance for the duration of the game. If not we'll not be in the CL next year, that I am pretty much certain of. Massively frustrating result today and certainly checks the hype that seems to build around our club anytime we win a game. Long way to go - our performances have to improve otherwise the fervour of our early season form is going to fade very quickly.
19 Oct 2013 15:12:53
All I saw one positive from this game was LUIS SUAREZ.
his willingness. hard work. excellent technique and unselfishness.
absolutely nothing apart from that. {Ed001's Note - Gerrard's 100th Premier League goal and the excellent balls he put into the box not count as a positive then? By the way, there were a number of times Suarez could have pressed and didn't, his work rate is defo lower than last season, so please stop this verbal masturbation over him, it is embarrassing.}
Have to say I agree very much with the Ed here - Suarez's work rate is definitely a good bit lower than it was last season - doesn't seem to be harassing defenders or chasing the ball round as much and his body language looks petulant and unconcerned (hands on hips, standing still, etc). He played very well today but think the praise by Harry is OTT.
Agree with you.
Just want to add. Sturridge even Suarez will have 'off' days.
What I find hard to accept is the midfield 'passing' all responsibilities to Gerrard.
Moses looks clueless. Hendo' - no real excuse, was not involved in international games and its games like this he should grasp opportunity to showcase his abilities. was virtually invisible! And even after his 2 attempts would like to see some positive body language that says "come on lads, let's have 'em. " . Not look sorry for himself like there's no hope. Against ten men we should've been camped around there box. more on target attempts from midfield from all angles.
On a positive note. Alberto looked good as did Johnson.
Mental attitude is important. If anyone should have been fatigued from internationals its Suarez but once again he was our best player. well done mate.
Ha verbal masturbation
Have to stand up for Gerrard - again - his distribution was fantastic. 91% passing accuracy does not count as inconsistent.
19 Oct 2013 15:44:56
Ed01. Ok. Suarez played poor. {Ed001's Note - I never said he played poorly, just wish you would start to see all aspects of the play instead of being blinded by love or hatred for certain players.}
E001, I have to disagree, there isn't anything positive about drawing against a 10 man team. It was simply another inconsistent performance from the team and none of our players were particularly good today. {Ed001's Note - if you think there is nothing positive, then you clearly are just a whiner. There are always positives and negatives in every situation, you are clearly so miserably you only see negatives.}
Defo 2 points left behind, as a team we did not play well at all, don't want to single out any players, but we could all see were we did not click, thought there was way to many passes around their box, suraez played too deep at times, against 10 men, way too many shots going over the bar, defenders looking like strangers, players relying on Stevie G for a bit of magic, did not happen, we def need a really good left sided player, and a top midfielder, am not too happy with result, playing ten men for 50 mins, can see other top teams winning and catching /overtaking us soon, we have some hard games coming up, just got to look for three points next week, but not too sure .
19 Oct 2013 16:27:47
Seems the Meaning of Positive is being changed.
How is Gerrard 100th goal a positive, when he was 99 before the match?. He had a good game, thanks to Henderson, who wasn't in the game from starting to end. {Ed001's Note - that makes no sense.}
Harry I do agree with some things you say but you lost me totally with that post??
harry, are you taking the p**s about gerrards 100th goal not being a positive as he was on 99 before, well if he scores again next week is that not a positive as he was already on 100? and so on and so on?
Also, seano, how was Gerrards distribution inconsistent?
@Alan
He had moments were his passing was excellent - good cross field balls, dangerous whipped crosses - and then others where the ball went tamely to the goalkeeper, or he tried to be too ambitious and the pass was cut out. Don't get me wrong I think the team relied on Gerrard in the middle of the park way too much today which is why he might have misplaced passes a fair bit too. Henderson was absent and rarely made a decent forward pass and so the onus was on Gerrard. Not saying every pass was rank, but in my opinion it was below the standards required at times.
19 Oct 2013 14:53:30
I can't help thinking it was two points dropped as opposed to one gained.
Again the midfield seemed low on energy and devoid of ideas, Moses for mine seemed to "confuse" the issue by playing in behind, he doesn't seem to suit or know how to play there - I personally think he was lazy today.
Maybe I'm being too critical, but I really thought we missed an opportunity by playing too slow a tempo, especially when they went down to ten men - Rodgers proclaimed it was our strongest squad, well I'd say today proved we still lack that top four quality.
Slightly frustrated.
19 Oct 2013 14:52:44
Not to bash players or anything, but 2 things are clear to me.
Enrique is better suited than Cissokho to play in a 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 formation because of his forward runs, and telepathy with Suarez.
Cissokho is better suited than Enrique for 4 - 4 - 2 formation because of his better defense abilities.
Was it my imagination or did Cissokho fail to close down Cabaye giving him acres of space and did he lose his man at the far post for their second.
Cissokho has no defensive attributes what so ever. He defends like Djibril Cisse, all pace, no awareness.
19 Oct 2013 14:52:43
Well that was a mixed bag, good going forward but need that extra spark from coutinho. I was unsure of alberto on previous performances but you seen glimpses of the reason he is here. Martin skrtl is a walking timebimb for me, I will relax more the day he heads for the exit door. We should have been more clinical but newcastle were lucky. Sometimes this happens and we have to get on with it. We are improving all the time as rodgers says so onward and upwards. YNWA
19 Oct 2013 14:47:40
thought we looked sluggish 1st half
and again the 2nd
we needed to pass quicker, move the ball quicker which in itself creates space but having gone 2-1 down we would have lost that last season, disappointed though against 10 with the 2nd half to play we should have won that one.
all that being said we always look like scoring and 17 points from 8 is good form, we can do better but I am satisfied
19 Oct 2013 15:04:53
2 points dropped. Always harder against ten men. seen it all to often. they dig in and usually get away with it. Poor defending second goal. hope coutino is not far away we miss his killer pass. the boys looked slow. anyway always next week. long way to go to May14. c'mon reds.
19 Oct 2013 15:08:13
Mate. we are yet to face an inform. Chelsea. arsenal. spurs. city and Everton.
Harry scouser
chelsea in form - they have the same points as us
spurs everton and city all below us
glad we are not in form, we might be in the top 3
19 Oct 2013 14:46:11
Can we now drop this 3412 formation. It doesn't work!
19 Oct 2013 14:51:38
Iam not sure about that. But What if Suarez goes next summer. We would drop completely.
what a a player he is.
We just buy someone else mate. Anyway back to my point. We have been hammering team with a 433 so why change it now.
19 Oct 2013 14:45:34
why not go 4-4-2 at half time? width would have won that game. bringing sterling on to play right back? moses doesn't pull the strings as a 10 desperate for coutinhio to come back. a points a point but if rodgers had gone for it at half time it would have been 3! so disapointed with his naivity
19 Oct 2013 14:37:23
Not good enough to win. Simple as that.
We move on. Was always gunna be tough after internationals!
Cheers
"not good enough to win" that is the sad truth of the matter - can anyone imagine spurs, arsenal, Chelsea, man city, united, any of them not winning against newcaslte when drawing 1-1 and being a man up with 50 minutes to go?
Seems like only our team affected by Internationals. Ozil was supposedly injured in one, and he looks like a man playing with boys for Arsenal! Iust admit my envy. Arsenal have truly signed one of the best footballers on the planet
19 Oct 2013 14:28:10
i wonder when henderson was a kid how many upstairs bedroom windows he broke while playing football in the street
Ha, think he is still breaking windows, he does try really hard, gives 100 per cent, but is that good enough?
19 Oct 2013 14:18:39
Luis suarez what a player. what a technique. absolute quality. that's 60 mill.
such unselfishness. what a player.
19 Oct 2013 14:08:28
Is Henderson Playing. Haven't seen a single forward pass from him till now.
So you have to pass the ball forwards to be acknowledged to be playing?
19 Oct 2013 14:08:13
Win or lose we just don't look sharp. Sturridge having worst game he has had in a red shirt
19 Oct 2013 14:05:38
I'm sorry I never bash the team but what I am watching is pure CLART against 10 men too
19 Oct 2013 13:42:30
well done stevie G for reaching the 100 goal club
19 Oct 2013 14:39:26
what a tactical cock up rogers lost us 3 points
19 Oct 2013 13:35:23
OK 1st half. But the Newcastle fans are classless with the constant booing.
19 Oct 2013 12:29:31
3 defenders on the subs bench isn't a great idea in my opinion. Unless there is a few carrying injuries? let's hope we don't go behind and have to chase the game.
Wheres ibe? would have been a great option to bring ibe and sterling on for much needed width!
19 Oct 2013 12:09:05
Sorry lads, been away a while, but why has DAgger not been starting games? Surely as vice-captain he deserves his place, has he done something wrong?
Thanks
If it's not broken don't fix it. Although I do love Danny agger te manager obv thinks the 3 playing are his strongest
Carra played on the bench for a long time whilst he was vice-captain. I think what Brendan is doing is great, he's playing the players who are playing well, rather than the players who should automatically get a starting pot 'just' because they're vice-captain.
Don't get me wrong, I love Agger, but why change what's working?
It Did not work today, and don't you know which teams will win today, we did not deserve to get the three points, newcastle well deserved their point, some of our team did not get out of third gear, I blame the international week, but there you go, when the season ends, we will look back on games like this, and please stop this Hendo foe England, he should have been taken off, and Sterling or other on, with lots more than 9/10 mins to play,
19 Oct 2013 11:52:51
Alright there fellow reds. First post on here. I am from Glasgow and want to know if I travelled down for the west brom game would I be able to get tickets outside the ground without hassle? Never been to a game at anfield before.if anyone would be able to give me advice that would be great, tickets online are too expensive from thomas cook and availability online is always full. Cheers redmen
19 Oct 2013 08:21:11
It's good to see Sami Hyypia excelling at Leverkusen by taking them to the top of the bundersliga (albeit only temporarily) but would love to see him manage us in the future at some point.
19 Oct 2013 05:04:32
You can tell it's been a while between games, the banter is slowing right down, the game tomorrow should pick it right up. Com'on banter, let's be havin' ya! XD That moment of football awkwardness from the Delia still makes my skin crawl for the Norwich fans. Jeremy Goss is still shaking his head. XD
Anyway, I just wanted to lend a thought to the Newcastle defenders, they've been struggling to sleep all night, the thought of Suarez terrorising them tomorrow has given them all a nightmare, when they managed to drift off again, then they had more nightmares, this time about Sturridge's hat trick last season and have sweated out their bed sheets via the fear of Liverpool's strike force. :) So here's to a sluggish and unsteady Newcastle back line.
I'm confident of the three points, I obviously hope we get them, it would be great stuff if we can keep the early pressure on the League and continue this awesome start. What more incentive is there for a Liverpool player than taking the club to the top of the League and being 9 points ahead of Manchester United so early in the season? Let's hope Southampton continue their good form tomorrow as well against Moyes' men. Got a nice right to it, no? Moyes' men. Long may it continue. LoL 3 points tomorrow. 19 points in total from 8 games, that will be greet stuff, why aye man.
Well done the Newcastle with ten men, I swallow meh words.