Liverpool Banter Archive September 19 2014

19 Sep 2014 15:06:59
So folks, do you think that BR will rest Gerrard for this weekends game and has a look to see if Lucas can be more effective in protecting the back 4.

Surely he can use the 3 games in a week line to placate Stevie G.

19 Sep 2014 15:18:48
Gerrard dropped? I would be as shocked as Gerrard being rested as I would be to see Johnson not automatically starting when fit.

I'd like to see Gerrard rested and bring in Lucas who will provide much better cover for our defence. You never know he could have a really good game and re-light his career. However, if fit I would have liked to see Can start in DM, but guess we will have to wait for that.

Red Rum

Eds is it possible that Gerrard has also a Glen Johnso clause in his contract?

{Ed002's Note - I would not get in to worrying about such clauses on Talk Like A Pirate Day.}

I don't necessarily think Gerrard needs dropping rather changing the formation - if a lone striker can basically mark four of our players when we are trying to move the ball then something needs changing.

19 Sep 2014 17:43:59
I think what Fanobip meant to ask is:

"Eds be it possible that Gerrard has also a Glen Johnso clause in his contract"

Arrrr

Ahoy Ed, my apologies, thus thou think t'manager will rest our shipmate Stevie as he might get the scurvy playing three games in a 7 days and nights.
Avast maybe promote deckhand Lucas into t'DM role.
Shiver me timbers Red Rum, sure twud be great to see the young bilge rat Can get a run when he recovers from the plague.

Alas me hearties love to hear your replies so till then shiver me timbers and prepare to be boarded

20 Sep 2014 05:19:33
Arrgh Ed002 be right on that . Plundering a to do

19 Sep 2014 13:30:09
I would like you to pick one Liverpool player and highlight what you would like to see them add to their game this season.

I'll start with Sakho. I'd like to see him step up and become a leader this season. I'd like to see him play with the same passion and confidence as he does when he plays for France. If he can add this to his game, as well as his world class ability, he could be a really important player for us.

Red Rum

World class ability - he looks soo uncomfortable on the ball he makes me nervous, he always looks like its taken real concentration to control the ball, and he has to get ride of it by passing it 5 metres to the left/right.

Just because he looks uncomfortable on the ball, doesn't mean he IS uncomfortable on the ball. Don't understand your comment about passing to the left and right at all either, if anything Sakho makes some splitting passes up through the middle, the only issue I have is sometimes he seems to rocket them which our mids have to try and control which gives opposition players time to press and shut down space. I think saying he just passes left to right does him a disservice.

JFT 96

JP

I think Sakho is lacking confidence and probably match fitness at the moment. At his best he is a beast, I hope to see him back at his best this season.

Red Rum

How about coutinho.
I would add consistency to his game, world class one day and completely ineffective the next.

19 Sep 2014 14:41:41
I think Sakho's biggest issue (not that it should be!) is that he can look very awkward.

If you follow the ball when he's involvec, and ignore his contorting body, you would be a lot less worried about him.

Agree that he fizzes his passes a bit too much which could catch our midfielders out, but on the flip side, an incisive pass often starts a quick counter attack and has less chance of being intercepted.

My fear about his playing style is that, as much as it can unsettle the fans watching, it may equally unsettle players around him. However, they see him day in day out in training, so less of an issue.

Re Mikey's comment, a consistent Countinho could be a shoo-in for the Ballon D'or!

19 Sep 2014 14:55:28
I, of course, mean Coutinho.

ONE leedle Brazillian, ah-ah-ah.

(for you Sesame Street fans out there, you know who you are. )

Totally agree with JFT96JP. Both our defenders make some very ambitious forward passes every now and then. Sakho should just stay on his feet more often and stay focused

I'd like Mignolet to start worshipping the Indian God Durga (who has 10 arms); as reward Durga will provide him with 10 arms to show faith.

He should then worship the spainish god Pepe Reina and sort his distribution out ;o)

Sakho has done nothing to suggest he is world class, I wish he had but I am afraid he hasn't. Only time will tell if A; he is world class and B; if he was worth the fee, £16 mill was it?

I'd like Coutinho to add long shots to his game but, ironically, everytime he takes one I want to scream "PASS THE BALL!"

19 Sep 2014 20:01:50
Sakho just doesn't cut it for me. poor judgement, position sense, lacks communication. He caused the corner for the villa goal and was woeful v Lugrets. It amazes me though that attacking players rogers can get the best out of but since he has been in charge johnson, agger, sahko, Coates and even Lovren have become worse players. need a decent defensive coach me thinks.

19 Sep 2014 21:53:34
Sacky,,, He scares the living S### out of me every time he's in possession. I think he can be awesome one day though, purely going off how he plays for France.

Coutinho, imo, is really a one trick pony. Aside from dropping shoulder and making a cheeky pass, I don't see him adding much more. Everyone knows his game now, and I suspect that is the reason he is not that effective these days. BR plays up his ability, but he does that to everyone to build confidence.

Mine would be Gerrard and his ability to read the game in a defensive position. It's clear BR is going to play, as our captain, but he currently lacks the awareness that his position requires. He has the technical ability, but not the mental side, which to me is our big weakness playing as open as we do.
Can deserveres a chance when fit, he's defintaly the stand out candidate to fill that role in the long term.
Either that or and goals to Henderson, he has the ability to be a similar player to Gerrards old role, albeit not to the same level, but who knows, he's proved me wrong once.

For me it's a toss up between Balotelli and Mignolet. These 2 players can make the biggest difference to our season IMO.

Mario - I wish he had the attitude of Suarez. By that I mean attitude, desire and will to win. Then he could be a world class player for us.

Mignolet - Needs to grow a pair. He needs to start dominating in the air and he needs to start dominating his defenders. He needs to organise them and alert them to danger, like Peter Schmeichel used to.

Henderson to add goals to his game.

So Sakho has convinced some he is world class and/or he is worth his fee if app £16million, well it's a game of opinions and so far Mine is that he has done neither as yet, so can anyone explain how he has proved either of the above, I expect no coherent replies.

I know he has world class ability from his performances with France, but we are yet to see that from him in a Liverpool shirt. Hopefully with a good run of games his confidence will grow and he will prove to be a top player for the long term.

Red Rum

19 Sep 2014 10:43:50
Hi Ed002 why do you believe Rogers is so appalling with the media? Is it because he gives too much info / not enough? I don't see a lot of his interviews so wondering if you can clarify. Thanks

{Ed002's Note - He has repeatedly opened his mouth and spoken before thinking. He has said some extremely dumb things - including about potential signings (Salah being a good example). The media are happy to feed off what he says.}

And your precious Mourinho? What about him?

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Chelsea. You need to consider matters for what they are instead of trying to constantly divert things on to others and away from Liverpool. It is truly embarrassing that you need to constantly do this.}

Ed is right that BR has a case of foot-in-mouth syndrome. HOWEVER, he`s not the only coach to have that. He just needs to be careful about what he says and not try to be what he is not. He is a very humble and honorable man who is still learning his trade. However, he is NOT as hopeless as Ed is saying IMO. During the Suarez saga of last year, he handled it like a gentleman overall and he got praise from all the pundits and the media for his management of Suarez as a whole. So he is not hopeless, he`s just learning.

20 Sep 2014 05:19:05
Ed002 you seem to be laying into supporters quite a lot recently, saying they are becoming a laughing stock/embarassment/obsessed with other teams etc but i think that's unfair. its seems to me that they just know you're a chelsea fan, and naturally when you hear a rival supporter say something perceived as negative against your manager or club (even when that rival fan may have much more footballing knowledge), then its only natural to counter with "what about YOUR manager and YOUR club". especially when said club is Chelsea ;)

{Ed002's Note - No Joel, in many cases it is because some of the fans are not bright enough to counter any statement about the players or the management without simply trying to make it about another club - in this case Chelsea. Ironically, most of these folks are spending their time saying how poor the players chosen by the manager are - and how poor those not chosen by the manager - and how poor the manager's tactics are - no "Plan B" etc.. They are the ones who used to complain about everything after a loss. Then they started complaining after draws. Now of course they complain after wins. They are clearly dissatisfied with everything about the club. If I tell them something about the manager for some reason they cannot take it in and then make a comment about the manager of another club - one who I have said managers the press very will but everything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. You have to agree that it is pretty embarrassing.

I have actually been very kind about the players and I like Brendon - but my liking the guy makes him neither bright nor able to stop talking when he should be thinking.}

20 Sep 2014 09:23:20
Cheers for the reply Ed. Yes I do agree constant slating, moaning of your own team is extremely embarassing. Does Brendan speak in real life how he does in the media? ie everything's the best? Or is he a bit more realistic/pessimistic?

{Ed002's Note - I suspect he has changed since I last spoke to him. When at Chelsea he was very much on the learning curve (effectively under Stevie Clarke for a while and surrounded by some very good coaches). His time at Reading was far from successful - much of which due to his change of tactics (According to an ex-player) and he was clearly not going to get the time he wanted. I have not had or made the opportunity to speak with him since he has been at Liverpool but whilst he has been growing as a manager it seems he has been changing as a person. I appreciate he has had a major change off field in the past 6 months and is obviously keen to avoid discussion on such matters, but elements of the press will, unfortunately, still raise it. Further tutoring is required still.}

19 Sep 2014 09:50:02
Ed's, just reading down the pages and a lot of the usual suspects seem to want you to do as your told and bow to there bidding, can I suggest a separate page for " The regular posters ", as I've seen it quoted, that way The Banter page can just be for whoever wants to post something regardless of subject matter and " The regular posters ", you know who I'm referring to can all slug it out there own page to be Liverpool's number one supporter! Just an idea. ;)

{Ed002's Note - That is not going to happen on the main site Waro - it will simply be streams of abuse and there are a lot of younger posters using the site.

Whilst we have pages for transfer rumours, for banter, the mystic "other" page which becomes the home for post match abuse of players and staff at the club, teams and formations - where people can discuss the merits of where the Liverpool players stand immediately before kick off, the "dodgy" page for nonsense, we do then we have the other banter site which gets much less moderation - in fact it gets none from me. Perhaps that is where you and your little buddies should go to see who has the biggest love truncheon.

19 Sep 2014 10:21:02
I can see the frustration, but I think people need to realise that this is not 'their' site. Its a site set up by and moderated by a group of football fans who do so out of their passion for the game rather than for any pay (mostly) and therefore their rules are their rules.

Not trying to brown nose here, and definitely not wishing to compare love truncheon sizes (there are other sites for that!), but thems just the facts as I see it.

If you don't like it (and I've been fed up of moderators on other sites in the past, which is why I post here now!), then go find a site where the mods/eds are more to your taste.

Doesn't make any of us better or worse supporters, just means some sites suit some people better than others.

Change the record Waro.

Maybe some of us are just sick of reading your constant drivel. I hate FSG, I won't cheer Borini, blah, blah, blah. My 3 year old son has less tantrums than you!

My point is, this site would be a much better environment if we could discuss footballing topics in a more educated manner. The constant moaning and slagging off is embarrassing to say the least.

Red Rum

I replied to my original post earlier ED but it seems to have slipped through the net, anyhoo, my post was pointing out that a small group of posters see this as there site and judging by his reply Red Rum is one of that elite bunch #LFCSNO1FAN.

So why not have a separate page they can all log into and vie for the above mentioned crown. SAD SAD SAD!

{Ed002's Note - I would have no problem if you and the other Super Fans took your deliberations to the other banter site that has Reet doing the moderation as I don't need to read all of that stuff.

On a day as important as this I remain unsure why people want to keep bleating on about Liverpool.}

19 Sep 2014 12:57:40
You know we have a separate banter site frequented by tj red and ken with me and ben as the eds.
Everyone is free to visit that
p.s ed you have been a little disrespectful to it
just kidding lol

19 Sep 2014 13:10:07
I think you have misinterpreted my post Ed002, I couldn't give a she*ep who posts what and where it goes tbh, I was having a pop at a certain section of posters who are on here daily and think that theirs is the only view/opinion that counts and should be heard over anybody else. As you well know Ed002 I have no "buddies" on here, but trust me, if I did I'd easily have the biggest love truncheon. FACT! Ha Ha Ha.

Well if there is a number 1 fan then it will have to go from someone from Liverpool and not an out of towner. I mean look how quiet Anfield is these days due to these out of towners. 20,000 locals clearly isn't enough!

19 Sep 2014 13:45:05
On a day as important as this I remain unsure why people want to keep bleating on about Liverpool
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Ist your birthday E002? No seriously have I missed something, what's so important about today , the Scotland thing? The outcome was expected to most, and glad common sense prevailed over hatred

{Ed002's Note - Today is International Talk Like A Pirate Day Roy. Later we will be deleting all posts that are not written in a pirate style or at least telling humorous pirate related tales.

You will need a translator - there are plenty out there:

http://isithackday.com/pirate-translator/index.php }

Bit hypocritical there Waro regarding posters who think the only opinion that matters is their own.
Unless you have a purple wheelie bin nobody else's opinion matters according to you.

19 Sep 2014 16:58:40
Ah, thanks for yonder education Ed002, appreciate thar link, had few problems people not responding to me today, now I realise I was using ye wrong language of yonder day

{Ed002's Note - Right on.}

Red Rum 'much better environment If we could discuss footballing topics in a more educated manner'. How's that work then? if you post a negative comment, the fan of the year brigade jump down your throat so how are we supposed to discuss footballing topics Red Rum. You say Tomaetoe and I say tomatoe. You say Borinis magic and I say he's tragic. If you wish to promote football debate, you tell me why you think Borinis a good footballer. What does he bring to the team?

Oh zone how about we ask you why you think he's tragic? He's played very few games for us and the ones he did play he had just returned from a serious injury

Yours sincerely
"Lfcs super fan"

19 Sep 2014 05:10:32
When it comes to how he deals the media, Ed002 you have a pretty strong opinion on the matter, which I respect, and agree with at some level. Does anyone else in the club feel the same way? And if so, are they taking any action to deal with it? And what is the definition of Brendaned?

{Ed002's Note - The club are certainly aware that his dealings with the media have not been great and he would have been given some tutoring. Being Brendaned is defined by the current career of Suso.}

Brendaned means being given a tight slap on your face even though u have done your job properly. Why not just go ask Suso, Smith or Ilori? They might be able to explain it better.

19 Sep 2014 13:10:57
I think that's an unfair criticism of BR Ed002.
I don't see the managers of the other top clubs bringing through that many younger players.
Suso's form for Almeria last season was hardly groundbreaking and Rodgers see's him in training every day!
There's also the short term benefit of the club vs the long term benefit of the player aspect, and with all due respect Rodgers has to think about the club, not a player he had no involvement in signing!
I do respect your views very much Ed so any input you have would be welcomed

{Ed002's Note - Suso is a great example of how the system is not working as well as it could be. To be fair to the club, they stood firm over assurances that Suso wanted. As such he was to leave and was allowed to speak with Porto in the summer. The club then priced him out of a move. He is now in limbo until when he can talk to non EPL sides in January and can sign a pre-contract for a summer move if he finds a suitable club. The cost to Liverpool for this screwing around - about £5M or so.}

"Brendaned" is a fabricated term used to have a dig at the Liverpool manager.

Red Rum

{Ed002's Note - I rather suspect if you go back in history mall words and terms have been fabricated. Otherwise we would all be grunting still. And before I am attacked by the Liverpool fans who are still simply grunting I mus

If Suso were considered an important player for the season, like say Lewandowski at BVB last year, then the club's stance would make a bit of sense. Getting something for Suso in the summer would surely have been better than the nothing we seem to be looking at now.

19 Sep 2014 16:57:39
I see what your saying Ed002, it's more to do with the mismanagement on the Suso case than a generalisation! Thanks!

19 Sep 2014 16:58:57
{Ed002's Note - Suso is a great example of how the system is not working as well as it could be. To be fair to the club, they stood firm over assurances that Suso wanted. As such he was to leave and was allowed to speak with Porto in the summer. The club then priced him out of a move. He is now in limbo until when he can talk to non EPL sides in January and can sign a pre-contract for a summer move if he finds a suitable club. The cost to Liverpool for this screwing around - about £5M or so.}
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So how is that Brendan fault (ie Brendaned), I don't know the full facts so please educate me, but from the above it seems the club that screwed things up including Suso's career. I am not a blind fan of Brendan; Last year when I criticised sending him in loan to Spain and wasting money on Alberto, I was told to stop moaning and Alberto will be better than Suso, now things have changed

20 Sep 2014 05:20:06
"Brendaned" is a term used by Ed002 to try and wind up Liverpool fans.
Don't rise to the bait, Henderson, Sturridge and Sterling haven't done too badly out of being "Brendaned".
If you're good enough you will succeed regardless of the manager.

{Ed002's Note - The fans are the ones who spent most of the previous two seasons wanting Henderson Brendaned. Why not go back and read the posts when Sturridge arrived and how they wanted him Brendaned as well.

And I don't need to "wind up" the clearly over-sensitive fans of Liverpool. Watching the team play seems to do that for them.}

18 Sep 2014 19:24:16
Ed001 what did you think of gulacsi? Could he of done a job? Or was it right for him to go? I quite liked him

{Ed001's Note - he seemed to have a bit of an attitude, but did look a far better keeper than Jones, to be fair to the lad. He did need to go for his own career though, now he has the chance to make it as a number one, rather than forever being on the bench.}