Liverpool Banter Archive July 01 2015

 

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01 Jul 2015 22:20:07
Liverpool will make a suprising offer for Portuguese youngster Carvalho within the next 24 hours. No do u t this will becrejected. And start a bidding war with Chavski and Man City. What a player though.

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01 Jul 2015 20:48:38
Heard a rumour that we had William carvalho watched do u think he will move this window eds ? Personally think he's massively overpriced

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{Ed002's Note - There is a very good chance he will move this window.}

01 Jul 2015 21:11:39
He's an absolute beast

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01 Jul 2015 21:24:23
Not to us though ed. Were stacked in that department.

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01 Jul 2015 21:42:06
Most players seem overpriced now. But he has the potential to be an absolutely wonderful player. Ran the show in most of the U21 games for Portugal. Shame about the penalty miss though.

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01 Jul 2015 21:43:11
Is he an option if we can't fix the Kovacic negotiations?

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{Ed002's Note - I rather suspect he is heading elsewhere.}

01 Jul 2015 21:44:44
A quality dm who is needed rather than benteke

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01 Jul 2015 21:56:04
Interest in Kovacic shows we may add another midfielder. Doubt we'll get Carvalho but it's nothing to do with having too many centre mids. If anything, a proper holding midfielder is probably the second biggest weakness in the squad if Lucas were to leave.

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01 Jul 2015 21:57:32
Carvalho is immense. I would not be surprised if he ends up playing at one of the world's top ten clubs this summer. I mean, we'd all have a fit if he landed here, but the odds (and the pounds he would cost) are astronomical.

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01 Jul 2015 22:43:39
Of coarse he is going elsewhere . 😩

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01 Jul 2015 23:07:40
I will retract what I previously posted because I have no interest in him joining as we have Pedro Chirivella.

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02 Jul 2015 07:42:00
Price is crazy high and I suspect he'd want CL football meaning we are well and truly out of the running (I do remember ed002 saying that he could be an option IF we made CL). I wouldn't be surprised if Arsenal made a move for him - he'd give them something they don't really have in abundance which is a physical presence to match their flair. City could afford him but have a glut of similar players in their side. United could potentially sign him I suppose but it would leave Blind in a bit of a quandary. Arsenal makes the most sense to me and fit the necessary criteria (can afford him, have CL, lot of ambition, etc) - time will tell I guess.

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01 Jul 2015 20:36:28
Just wanted to know your opinions on the Benteke rumours. A lot of people here are saying "we should spend our money somewhere else", but is there really a better choice then him? Clearly, we need to invest in a center forward and if you think about it there isn't much choice. Bacca is off to Milan, we just won't get Lacazette cause he wants CL footy and Higuain is way too overpriced (he would be my choice). So now, there's only Benteke left and even if they ask massive money for him, I think they'll find an agreement, or else there isn't much choice on the market for a quality center forward.

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01 Jul 2015 21:26:12
I think I'd prefer to give youth a go until January then assess where we are at then. If we need a striker, then we can go for one and if Benteke is available and playing well then, I think then and only then we should go for him

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01 Jul 2015 21:44:46
We'll be well off the pace mate if you're pinning your faith on Ings (massive step up) and Origi (new to club and league and an even bigger step up). And how shafting Sinclairs confidence by putting pressure on him to contribute is helping his development I don't know.

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01 Jul 2015 21:45:28
Not mitrovic no.

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01 Jul 2015 22:07:59
Same thing I said the other day, would rather have Walcott. Can play central or with Sturridge and fits us much better I would think. Likely cheaper as well. Not perfect, but would rather him than Benteke.

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01 Jul 2015 23:11:15
I think he's rubbish. His attitude stinks.
He's just like Mario. Why sign him when we already have a player exactly like him.

He doesn't make many runs unless there's a cross on the way. Never seen him tracking back for the ball.

Money for old rope.

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01 Jul 2015 23:25:42
Without pulling a list of players there are a lot more than 4 quality strikers available this summer. Agree with boom regarding origi, Ings and especially Sinclair. Although I think Benteke would be a good option. He plays in a villa side who under Lambert did not know how to play ball yet he still shone through. With the supply I'm offer this year If he comes in will help him no end.

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02 Jul 2015 07:46:10
I think, if there was even a remote possibility, that a lot of fans would be happy with Lacazette. Sadly no CL and our finances render it virtually impossible. Aubameyang has been mentioned by a few on here - I personally haven't seen enough of him to know, but he is lightening quick which already makes him sound a better fit than Benteke.

I know it adds pressure on Sinclair, but we need to start learning lessons from our previous mistakes. If the right player isn't out there we should not be panic buying or buying for the sake of it. Balotelli and Carroll didn't exactly work well - if we cannot get the right target then better to get nobody than squander the money on a player who will not fit into our style of play. Would also say that Sinclair needs some game time so it can be seen whether or not he can make the step up - he can't play reserve footy forever, he needs a real test on a regular basis.

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01 Jul 2015 18:50:03
Hi Ed's
Sky is reporting that Stoke have had a 12mil bid accepted for Shaqiri. Is there any interest from Liverpool because we've been linked in the past and he is a quality player. Also have we had any interest in our fringe players as we will soon have to sell the likes of Enrique, Coates, Borni, Lambert, Yesil, etc.

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - No. Liverpool cannot by every player who is sold.}

01 Jul 2015 20:21:56
We certainly seem to try to Ed002. Think we've bough near enough a new team every season under Rodgers seems like.

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01 Jul 2015 20:53:57
Shaqiri must be doing something wrong as he's been at 2 top clubs and yet nobody seems to want him.

Also i hope we give Yesil a loan where he plays regularly and hopefully keeps himself fit as he is a really good player that unfortunately has been hampered by injures.

Also Coates has been sold.

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01 Jul 2015 21:22:34
It's a bit of a myth that we buy a new team each season because not all the signings are ever meant to be starters or even essential first team squad members. And other clubs often have similar staff turnovers.

Spurs are the most similar team in terms of being a challenger to the 4 teams most likely to occupy CL places.

Like us they bought 7/8 players in each of previous two seasons. Like us they had to try and add depth to their squad and get the average age down off the back of selling their star player.

I'd argue our purchases will prove to be far better in the short and the long run.

From the last 2 seasons signings (and not including this summer) we have Mignolet, Sakho, Toure, Lovren, Moreno, Can, Lallana, Markovich, Origi & possibly Ilori as players with a role in our squad this season. Aspas, Alberto, Lambert & Balotelli do not seem to have a future (possible 20m write down on fees)

Spurs will have Vorm, Dier, Davies, Fazio, Chadli, Eriksen & Lamela as squad definites but question marks about Soldado, Paulinho, Capoue, Stromboli & Chiriches (possible 35-40m write down on fees)

Obviously Spurs finished above us last season but I can't see them doing it again for a few years given the relative depth of quality in our squads. Our business this summer seems to be at a level above anything Spurs can match although we are obviously losing a very good young footballer with huge potential to part fund it all.

There'll be a similar turnover of players at Man Utd over a 2-3 year period. They're buying more established players but how many real hits have they had?

On the plus side you'd expect our business to slow next season. We should really only be bringing loan players like Ilori or Gomez back in to cover Toures spot, replacing Enrique and adding 1 or 2 quality players to cover the areas we need to strengthen based on what happens this season.

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01 Jul 2015 22:08:20
Stromboli is a meaty, juicy, cheesy concoction. Stambouli is a former Montepellier midfielder. (I do realize you are not the first to call him Stromboli).

Other than that, stop with the financial comparisons.

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02 Jul 2015 03:10:21
Spurs are who we should be worried about if we want EL. If we want CL we need to be conscious about what those teams are doing. They are settled teams Just adding key players with the exception of man utd who are buying a big squad of established players. Spurs still don't know their best team and neither do we. Adding 8 players a season doesn't help that.

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02 Jul 2015 03:30:30
Stromboli was also the evil circus-master in Pinnochio. I played him in the school play !!

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02 Jul 2015 07:36:42
Ha ha. Deserved to have the pizza taken out of me for that one!

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01 Jul 2015 18:32:28
On the sturridge post. I may have walked into a pole with Adams glasses.
He slipped my mind. Aquero is also injury prone but when fit yes certainly worldclass. Sturridge would not be a mile ahead however he certainly would rival him on that level when fit.

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01 Jul 2015 18:56:37
I don't think Sturridge is anywhere near Aguero's level.

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01 Jul 2015 19:17:15
I wonderes where my glasses were! Been having to wear contact lenses 24/7 and it's getting uncomfortable!

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01 Jul 2015 19:18:41
Not even close

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01 Jul 2015 19:39:59
We forgive you Al ! However I don't think sturridge is quite on ken's level! Where IS Ken byb the way eds?

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01 Jul 2015 20:05:11
Well said big al.

Spot on.

Short memories on here regarding Sturridge

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01 Jul 2015 20:51:04
I think Studge is quality when fit . But he is quality with a quality partner . And can be superb on he's day . Aguero is quality all on he's own or in a partnership . He's brilliant and the best striker in the prem by a mile when fit

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01 Jul 2015 20:58:28
I'm with you Al when he was on form he could mix it with the best of them what a player. The squads missed him he provides more than great football, he's a great character to have round the place and as he always says red or dead.

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01 Jul 2015 23:43:34
Firstly I'm a big fan of the studge, but to say he's at the same level as aguero is crazy! Every part of agueros game is a notch above Danny's, he is truly 'world class' Sturridge needs a partner to create the room for him(this is why he thrived with Suarez). I'm not knocking danny,far from it, but aguero doesn't need anyone, he can do it alone (like Suarez) I think(and hope) firminio will be the one to make studge tick now.

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02 Jul 2015 00:15:00
Aguero is world class sturridge isnt

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02 Jul 2015 02:36:53
Cant compare - different types of players. They each trump the other in certain areas of their games.

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02 Jul 2015 07:49:09
Sturridge isn't too far off Aguero's level in my opinion. His movement is as good as Aguero's, he can link up with team mates well, his shooting and heading is good (heading arguably better than Aguero's) and he scores goals at a really high rate. The big difference, I think, is Aguero's ability one on one against defenders - I think he has a bit more about him in terms of dribbling and ability to take a man. Certainly don't think Sturridge is as far off his level as some are saying though, for me the margins are pretty thin.

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02 Jul 2015 09:24:50
Can't compare Sturridge and Aguero? They are both strikers! Silliest thing I have ever read. That is like saying you can't compare Agger and Skertel as their playing styles were different 🙈

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01 Jul 2015 18:15:31
Hello Ed's, first time poster!

Not sure if you've mentioned but do you think countino and ferminho will join the tour with Brazil getting knocked out early?

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{Ed002's Note - They will need a holiday - I have no idea when they will return, perhaps during the tour.}

01 Jul 2015 18:48:02
Usually, it's 3 weeks off in such circumstances, so yeah, they should join midway during the tour.

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01 Jul 2015 18:06:38
Find it odd how most people here think we will change our style with a big forward? I believe some teams tend to lump it more when they have a big striker, but I don't agree that benteke has to rely on crosses, despite most of his goals coming from them. Who in the villa team can create like couts! Maybe we had the least crosses, but why would you cross it to sterling at CF? He will occupy a defender or two, allowing more space, last season we rarely had s striker where a striker should be with balo and sterling dropping deep.
I also don't understand why crosses means long balls, players like lallana couts ibe etc can play all the intricate stuff and If they are forced wide can clip a cross in from high up the pitch, I'd back benteke over any of our current strikers to score then. Hopefully he can allow players to run off him too, again your like to think the players I've mentioned could do that.
As for the high press, he may be a bit lazy, but as long as he's in the right position to capatalise if we do win it high up the pitch!

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01 Jul 2015 18:24:25
My only problem with us signing benteke is the price tag

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01 Jul 2015 19:19:17
Mine is both his style and the price tag

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01 Jul 2015 19:27:51
I posted this morning that the figure I heard was 32.5M. However I don't know whether that is the actual transfer fee alone, or whether it's the total package (transfer, agents fees, wages for the duration of contrcat etc etc).

Personally I assume it's the latter ( ie the whole package), as he is not worth anywhere near 32.5M just as a transfer fee.

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01 Jul 2015 20:00:56
But that`s his release clause, tho

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01 Jul 2015 20:13:39
I've seen the £32.5m quoted as his buy out clause, so it could be the fee.

As I said a few weeks ago about Benteke, I can never decide if he's a great player waiting to happen once he's in the right team, or just a slightly lazier version of Heskey. It looks like we're primed to find out.

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01 Jul 2015 20:25:52
After watching the Wales vs Belgium game I am certain that Benteke will not work in the current style we play. Belgium have some very talented players as we do, who like to play intricate, clever passes, all game against Wales Benteke was always behind the play and slow to react to anything Hazard or De Bryne tried to do and only looked a bit of a threat once Mertens came on and started putting crosses in. Unless we change our style of play to suit him, he'll turn out as big a flop as Carroll.

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02 Jul 2015 00:31:59
Scar face, even his manager thought he was lazy and needs to do better. Wilmots is a Belgian legend, mind you. Nuff said

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02 Jul 2015 02:42:20
Why is the transfer fee important to supporters? I just can not understand the importance of the fee to us. I really can't.

It is important to the owners and the club for FFP, but we should trust that if the club officials deem it acceptable, we should not be concerned by it.

All I hope is that we get players who want to be here - their price tag is irrelevant to me.

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02 Jul 2015 04:24:26
I agree. It's up to the owners to ensure we abide by the necessary rules. My frustration. Is when we overpay for players that may not be necessary and it comes at a cost of a player that is necessary. Ie we should have been offering 8 m got begovic instead of paying 6 mil for Ings ( you may not agree with the examples but you get the idea)

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01 Jul 2015 17:59:37
Eds with kovacic looking more unlikely now, do u see Liverpool going for another playmaker? There's been lots if links to them.

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{Ed002's Note - I can tell you when there is interest in players, I am not going to get involved in this type of thing. Next up the club need to be moving players on.}

01 Jul 2015 18:37:43
We must have the world's biggest squad and a serious wage bill currently

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01 Jul 2015 19:19:49
Kova ain`t coming based on what we know so we all need to move on

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01 Jul 2015 17:01:08
Ed01 your a lfc fan . Just wondered what your thoughts are on this . If we sign Benteke and Sturidge gets fit how do you see our formation taking shape ? Out of the players we have now who and where would you play them ?

Oh and that kid I asked about a while ago is called Luis longstaff he is meant to have signed and will be playing U15s .
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{Ed001's Note - I think it is going to be a horses for courses system mate. We don't have a clear first 11, we have no real system you can point to and say that is the way to go.}

01 Jul 2015 18:12:18
The only benefits I can see from this is that a new manager will have a variety of players to choose from/implement a new system if one were to arrive.

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01 Jul 2015 18:13:21
I hope if nothing else we settle on a system, to much tinkering doesn't work. Send your best players out in their correct positions and let them play!

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01 Jul 2015 18:12:34
Which is good or bad Ed? Erring on the side of having the flexibility myself, however how many formations are the team going to be expected to adapt to this year??? I hope they know what they are doing.

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{Ed001's Note - I would prefer a settled side, the best sides have that.}

01 Jul 2015 18:17:21
Ed001, Is this the normal manner in which clubs conduct business? I would assume you would select a system and acquire players based on need and players abilit, or I am completely wrong in my thinking.

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{Ed001's Note - it depends on the club.}

01 Jul 2015 18:48:08
Cheers ed01 i hope they find a settled team too . Only problem is that players becoming unhappy . To be honest I would prefer Sturidge all day long ahead of Benteke as I think he will get the system much better .
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Jamesee

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02 Jul 2015 02:45:54
Wasn't Rodgers blasted by many for not tinkering with the system last year? Now it appears we have the ability to do so, people want a set system?

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01 Jul 2015 17:43:19
Just a little reminder to everyone. Next season is Schrodinger's cat. It exists as both the greatest season in Liverpool's history and as a 38-game losing streak. None of us know anything.

The fun of the off-season is speculation, how will we play? who will we sign? 'I think that player will be good', 'I think you're wrong'. The emphasis is that this should be fun as none of us actually know anything and there's no evidence to back up your point of view.

When someone says something you disagree with by all means argue your point but don't call that person an idiot as you may be made to look foolish yourself down the line.

If a prediction you made a month ago comes true don't take it as a sign that you're a football god. Every window we're linked to almost every player in Europe, at least one of those links will pan out, it's just a numbers game. Show some humility.

Finally, when the club do something you disagree with (if it's happens then for me it's signing Benteke for £32M) don't scream from the rafters just affirm your position that you think it's the wrong move. Until your position is backed by evidence it's just annoying for the rest of us.

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01 Jul 2015 18:08:50
To be fair there's been a bit more positivity on the site in recent weeks.

At one point it was like an echo chamber. Rodgers is clueless, FSG are clueless get Monchi in and promote all the U21s etc.

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01 Jul 2015 19:21:43
With Rodgers still at the club it's the equivalent of the cat being poisoned by the neighbour.
(Sorry couldn't resist)

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01 Jul 2015 20:52:21
You've misunderstood Schrödinger's cat there pal. The whole point is that you don't know whether the cat is alive or dead until you open the box (ie you observe it). Next season we will observe how the team does every game and so either of your possibilities could happen but you won't experience them both simultaneously.

If you believe in infinite parallel universes (which is not inconsistent with but also not proven by Schrödinger's cat) then in many universes we win the league every year. But then you also have to accept that in some universes you are married to your sister and will be bitten to death by butterflies.

On the positive side, in some other universe the parallel you has a much deeper understanding of both football and quantum mechanics and doesn't mix up the two.

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02 Jul 2015 00:26:26
User013, I think it's you that may be confused. The point of Schroedinger's cat is that it can be considered both alive and dead until the box is open. next season can be considered both a success and a bust, we can only know which by opening the box (watching next season)

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02 Jul 2015 00:43:02
How do you expect people to understand quantum mechanics when most people can't grasp the offside rule!!!

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02 Jul 2015 01:08:29
In a parallel universe you have a better grasp of banter and a better sense of humour.

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02 Jul 2015 05:40:40
Muscat, you are right about Schrödinger's cat but wrong In how you apply it to next season. The cat can be considered both alive and dead until the box is open (the act of observation).

Every second of next season will be observed by fans in the grounds and by TV cameras streaming live pictures all around the world.

So the cat and next season would only be the same if there was constant observation of the cat (say a camera in the box). If the cat is under constant observation at no point can it be considered both alive and dead.

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02 Jul 2015 07:39:19
Anyway, women are great aren't they mate? My round?

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01 Jul 2015 17:29:39
Benteke will supply the power and yes the out ball if we need to lump it. , we have pace, Moreno Clyne and ability with Firmino Coutinho, he scores goals. All in all improvement . Support your team

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01 Jul 2015 19:42:16
Positivity, making a player look better than he is via rhetoric and hoping for the best is not how you win games in the real world. Coaching, tactics and systems that allow players to thrive win games and Benteke doesn`t fit our system no matter how you slice it and in addition to the price tag, his arrival concerns many of us and we all know BR won`t play two up and Benteke is not made for the high press.

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01 Jul 2015 17:29:25
I am blown away by comments here that Benteke would be a useless signing. If it was for 10 million would people be happier? I totally agree he would not be my top choice, and I assume Rodgers has already scoped out the possibility of Lacazette, Bacca, etc. The question for me is would I rather our squad with Benteke as an option or not, and for me I would rather have a proven goal scorer in the squad. Comparing him to Balotelli and Carroll is ridiculous. Every player is a gamble, and I would rate Benteke hungrier than either of those two. He scored more in his last 10 games than anyone in our squad over an entire season after all, and didn't look all that lazy in the process.

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01 Jul 2015 17:51:43
Hes been poor for two seasons. there's plenty of options out there who are better. Mitrovic being one who even ed2 said is suprised we haven't gone for, as is all we need.

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01 Jul 2015 18:01:11
Not for anywhere near the money apparently involved, I'd rather we just waited another season to see what is available then.

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01 Jul 2015 18:13:37
How has he been poor Dorset lol. He's had a few droughts sure but he's got almost a goal every other game for Villa.

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01 Jul 2015 18:28:20
It's the old familiarity breeds contempt thing. If he'd banged in goals at that rate for Atletico Madrid there'd be people wetting themselves and creating little fantasies about him being a boyhood Red in Kinshasa and how having fellow Belgians at the club will help him settle etc. When they play here you get to see that real footballers often have crap games (which they don't on YT or highlights shows)

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01 Jul 2015 19:19:38
Dorset red in fairness to him he was out injured for a good chunk of the season before last.
If we sign him he'll have my support but not too keen for us to get him.

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02 Jul 2015 02:53:16
Let us all remember that if he joins, he did not set his price tag. He wants to come and play for us so good on him. If your issues are with price, it has nothing to do with Benteke then.

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01 Jul 2015 17:26:51
So much fighting. The page si looking more and more like game of thrones 😂😂😂

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01 Jul 2015 17:55:22
Sorry eds but GoT is way better there's boooooooobs

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{Ed001's Note - there are lots of tits here too mate.}

01 Jul 2015 18:30:57
Quality from ed001 yet again

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{Ed001's Note - I feel like I should take a bow....}

01 Jul 2015 18:35:35
the weight of Adams muse be giving him backpain.

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01 Jul 2015 17:23:01
I want to say this to every poster and reader on the Liverpool page.
If you have an opinion share it. There's older ones on the page and adam.
If you watch a player every week and think he's a great player or signing even when a lot don't, post it anyway and share your points .
If you don't agree with others explain why and post it.
It also might be similar to the editors because yous are watching the same sport âš½
Far too much sensitivity and whingers creeping into the page. And that does not speak to the majority on the page. Just the few. It's a football banter site not therapy sessions

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01 Jul 2015 17:45:12
Damn it, just submitted a similar post, now everyone will think I'm copying you :(

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01 Jul 2015 17:57:56
Working on trademarking my posts muscat. 😉

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01 Jul 2015 18:05:46
Very sensible post Big Al lol

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01 Jul 2015 18:27:15
Thank you lavers. You'll have to wait until next week for your free gift voucher 👖

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01 Jul 2015 18:28:51
Group hug

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01 Jul 2015 19:45:33
Good one, Big Al! Tired of people slating others and calling them names just because they can`t debate them on the merits of a topic and just tell everyone to be positive, support the manager and keep their concerns and ops to themselves. Ludicrous!

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01 Jul 2015 17:10:54
Been a while since I posted (depression of the Stoke loss still reverberating in my home. ). New signings look sensible to me (Clyne will be solid RB, Milner a solid reliable midfielder, Firmino can hopefully offer what Lallana did too inconsistently last season. Obviously a striker is still necessary (and all due respect to Ings, who will be a welcome addition for Europa and cup games). Benteke wouldn't be a bust in my books, as the guy can score goals, without question. I would prefer a more mobile striker who fits better with our system (a younger F. Torres, L. Suarez and perhaps, just perhaps, L. Messi would fit the bill), but if that is not on the cards (I am looking at you Lacazette. ) then Benteke will offer us a powerful striker who is better than our current crop.

As for GK, I think Mignolet has enough potential to stay as number 1, but clearly needs better coaching, and as for the defence, we already have all the tools (despite the comments to the contrary) but they need to be managed better, and protected with a defensive midfielder (Can, now is your time to step up to the plate).

Coop

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01 Jul 2015 17:32:30
I 100% agree , we definitely have all our tools in defence

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01 Jul 2015 18:35:22
Although I agree with you Coop but we had good enough players in defense last season and the season before but we still ship goals like a bottom half team. What's going to change this year is my concern because three years of shocking defending is really an awful record.

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01 Jul 2015 17:09:04
EMS,
Regardless of benteke signing or not you need to get a grip lad. A few people on here disagreed with a few things you have said & now your whining like everyone here owes you an apology??? Get over it man move on this us a forum where everyone has different opinions & what I've seen no one has attacked you personally. I remember a few way over top comments aimed at waro & ozone a fair good few times, yeah there views aren't to everyone's likes but they got some grief. Don't take this as a attack on yourself I tend to agree with most of what you say but don't throw your rattle out when you get people disagreeing with you.

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01 Jul 2015 19:46:35
If you can`t stand the heat then, get out of the kitchen

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01 Jul 2015 17:02:35
my hope this season is that sturridge fires and is fit. Best striker in the league by a mile. He stays fit and firing top 4 is a lot easier

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01 Jul 2015 17:14:59
I dream like you Big Al, but you have more optimistic dreams. Danny proved he can score with the best of them, but flourished alongside the best striker the league has seen since Ronaldo. Don't think we'll ever see him hit 20 again, though 15 should be an expectation. As for best striker, Aguero, by a significant margin.

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01 Jul 2015 17:27:23
"Don't think we'll ever see him hit 20 again, though 15 should be an expectation"

Okay, fair point about Aguero, but damn bruh. Sturridge has his best years ahead of him and he should always be aiming for the twenties with that talent.

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01 Jul 2015 17:36:42
Coop

Sturridge has scored everywhere he's been, if he stays fit he gets 20 goals.

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01 Jul 2015 17:57:22
Best striker in the league by a mile???? Nearly as bad as ems calling benteke world class! Suns been getting to a few of your heads

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01 Jul 2015 17:59:50
Sturridge is definitely capable of the 30 mark if he's fit and playing well. No doubt

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01 Jul 2015 18:06:59
Aguero and maybe costa in front of him, can't think of others

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01 Jul 2015 18:09:01
Sam when he's fit and firing he is worldclass. He has it all and can play anywere in the front 3 and in any system. Aquero is worldclass when he's fit but studge offers more Imo when he's not scoring 😯

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01 Jul 2015 18:19:43
How can you even say that big al.aguero is miles ahead of sturridge

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01 Jul 2015 18:28:50
To be fair jessie aquero slipped my mind probably because he's injury prone aswell. For that yes I am wrong. Sturridge is worldclass however. We need him fit

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01 Jul 2015 19:47:53
If he ain`t fit, he ain`t reaching that level of 30 a season regardless of his talent

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01 Jul 2015 16:53:35
Hi eds just wanted to share this if it's okay. My mate just sent it to me on Facebook and I'm going to admit I don't watch villa every minute of every game so I'm not going to comment too much. If the eds allow it it's a link to a blog piece on benteke signing from a person who says they're a villa fan. As I've read rightly or wrongly a lot of opinions here on benteke this does give a different side and argues how lamberts tactics negated benteke and that he does have the qualities some believe he doesn't such as pressing ability/passing ability etc.

He backs things up well enough personally I would say their are still questions as saying he wasn't expected to press doesn't really mean that he will if asks but none the less good read.

misconceptions about Benteke article
https://goo.gl/3KSEOK

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01 Jul 2015 17:18:34
It is a good share mate.

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01 Jul 2015 17:50:12
I said Villa fans have a much higher opinion of him than our supporters a few days ago.

Derision ensued.

That post seems a much more balanced (and let's face it, knowledgable) summary of Benteke's abilities than anything I've read on here.

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01 Jul 2015 16:37:57
It's funny how so many people rate Benteke now he's definitely signing. Seem to recall being told I needed a knock to the had when I suggested he had ability and that attitude was the only problem? Now everyone is rehashing exactly what I said.

Ahhh keep it up guys, Comedy Central has been rubbish lately so I'm relying on you lot for my daily giggle.

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01 Jul 2015 17:05:15
What an outrageous comment. Totally disgusted

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01 Jul 2015 17:07:12
I personally disagree with your argument , I genuinely think he does posses the ability , for me the only problem is his attitude

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01 Jul 2015 17:08:54
I believe you are funnier adam. 😉
All of three different posters stated they wouldn't mind him and he isn't a bad player.
I can't see one poster raving about him like you do.
And my views have never changed. Decent striker poor signing. Will I support him? Ofcourse like most fans

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01 Jul 2015 17:11:54
How can you say he doesn't have ability??

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01 Jul 2015 17:12:52
Jayireland

You're a se sensitive lad

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01 Jul 2015 17:15:38
What I find annoying is some people who can't state why benteke would be a bad signing,except the usual he doesn't fit our style!!!!ffs are you the manager whose job is hanging by a thread

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01 Jul 2015 17:16:37
Attitude? You one of his mates? He might be a proper goo lad for all we know.

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01 Jul 2015 17:35:34
I just can't stand guys that slate the players before they sign, for EMS to say he has no ability is outrageous

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01 Jul 2015 17:38:34
EMS trend setter.

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01 Jul 2015 17:44:21
It was just banter ;)

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01 Jul 2015 17:52:07
Anfield is only 55metres above sea level, I doubt his altitude problem with effect him to much

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01 Jul 2015 17:56:01
are you mourinho in disguise?

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01 Jul 2015 18:11:53
Ah man, get over yourself will ya.

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01 Jul 2015 19:54:11
NOBODY ever said he lacked ability in fact, the Ed01 said he has it in abundance. The prob is that he seems lazy, unwilling atimes to try in games, lacks work ethic 9a la Hendo, for ex) and improve his game. Even Wilmots, he Belgium manager said the exact same thing so don`t know why this is a suprise to some. Benteke will arrive whether we like it or not, based on what the media is saying and that he doesn`t wanna play for Villa or Spurs so we will support him regardless. however, that doesn`t mean that we should all shut our gobs and not air our concerns just because some people can`t handle being disagreed with. Utter Rubbish, really!

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01 Jul 2015 16:24:27
As far as villa were concerned there had been no fee agreed this afternoon.not saying it won't happen but some reports of a done deal are wide of the mark

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01 Jul 2015 15:56:33
From a broadsheet intern: an English team (possibly Liverpool) are looking at Andre Hahn. He's only been at BMG for a year so could be complete nonsense.

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01 Jul 2015 15:49:04
Can I just put this out there.

I feel that a lot of posters are just going of the eds comments regarding the signings of benteke and clyne ie. clyne can't defend and benteke is lazy.

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01 Jul 2015 16:07:16
Agree. Some people base their opinions wholly on what ed says. It's ok when once or twice but when you take every word from an eds mouth as gospel then you really got to make your opinion.
By the way u fully respect ed01s views but don't take it as bible and always find myself disagreeing with him

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01 Jul 2015 16:09:58
Have to agree lavers. I think clyne is better than anything we have now though it would be good to see wisdom get a chance at pushing for that spot. So he would make my first 11 initially, I think Benteke is still better than any of our current strikers bar sturridge. Firmino I think will make the first 11 too so at least on paper we have 3 better players than what we had last year. It's by no means perfect and not necessarily the the 3 spots I would have picked to strengthen but we are still stronger nonetheless.

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01 Jul 2015 16:12:27
Borrowed Adams specs then lavers?
I can't recall calling benteke lazy, more precisely he is vastly overpriced, will look lost in our team, does not make anywere near enough runs to make space for other players and will weaken rather than improve our attacking threat. He has ability no doubt but needs to significantly improve when playing for Liverpool. We will not be crossing at every chance. He will need to use his feet a lot more and bring other players into the game. We do not have players that suit playing to his strengths and he offers little to the players we have. Sturridge offers the team a hell of a lot more than benteke.

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01 Jul 2015 16:20:04
Clyne just needs to work on his delivery and on his day benteke is unplayable! We have the players already that can run off him when he holds the ball up! Both good signings, if the rumour of big ben are even true!

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01 Jul 2015 16:26:25
Well said mate. Clyne can defend quite well, he is just very offensive so gets caught up the pitch. That will be the case with all attacking full backs tgough so I suppose we better get used to that. He doesn't make many dedensive errors though.

Benteke only tends to be lazy in games where his team are losing which does worry me. I'd rather see some passion. Perhaps he just got fed up of losing at Villa though under Lambert. He didn't seem lazy under Sherwood when they were getting points every so often. Wouldn't have been my pick but the abuse needs to stop. He will be a Liverpool player so let's judge him after a season in the shirt.

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01 Jul 2015 16:30:09
Big Al did he mention your name at all?? The fact that you obviously think it could be directed at you says it all

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01 Jul 2015 16:52:38
my issue is not the individual players but who we play around them.
If persistent rumours are true then it looks as though we are aiming to offload Lucas.

If we play Clyne and Moreno they are both better at going forward, you have to play 2x holding-type midfield players to cover our centre-halves.( we haven't got 2)

* If we play one we will get ripped apart.
* If we play 2 then we have too many attacking midfield players on the books to fit into a starting 11.

It looks, at this stage anyhow (and IMO) we do not have a set style of play for next year and I believe, as other posters have stated elsewhere, we have not concentrated on rectifying our issues from last season (yet. )

another point, where is all the money coming from - surely the club will get approx. £40 million for Sterling once we pay QPR their cut?

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01 Jul 2015 16:53:42
benteke is not a bad player. bt i just don't think he is the right type of player for us. even messi can look a bad player in the wrong team.

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01 Jul 2015 16:55:46
Speaking for others shane. Possibly one maybe stretching it two said he was just' lazy
I'll send you my autograph in the post with a copy of my posts so you read them all by yourselve.

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01 Jul 2015 17:10:53
I don't know if Benteke is lazy but Clyne is a better choice than Rodgers shoehorning wingers/Lallana into that right sided slot.

My worry is Benteke is that he isn't the most mobile and his workrate (pressing) isn't great and we never cross the ball but if he comes he is welcome to prove me wrong

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01 Jul 2015 17:49:58
Big Al

I can't remember who commented on clyne not being able to defend or benteke being lazy and to tell you the truth I couldn't give 2 hoots who said what. But if you read a lot of the posts they lean towards ED01s opinion of the 2. We all appreciate the news the eds share with us but when it comes to commenting on things it is there opinion that's all and that's what we're on here for each others opinions.

Sturridge does offer more to the team but I've always preferred two up top so you've best of both worlds with them 2. Someone has commented on Sturridge not being the same without saurez and he won't be because he looks around and no one is there.

Benteke is overpriced if that's what we're paying but put him into a better team and let's see if he steps up. If your playing with a team that can't be arsed then it tends to rub of.

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01 Jul 2015 18:11:09
Good post lavers
But on sturridge I believe he has the world at his feet if he's in a good side and fit. He has to be fit. He has his best years ahead of him hopefully if he gets past his injuries

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01 Jul 2015 18:28:48
Big Al

I'm with you on Sturridge I've always thought the lad is class, he left city to move to a bigger team (Chelsea).

Chelsea at the time had superstars all over the field so it was never going to be easy for him.

Chelsea played him out wide then I remember running upto Xmas one year Torres was misfiring and became injured so up stepped Sturridge who if I remember correctly was scoring most weeks playing as the main striker.

Back came Torres and out went Sturridge.

Sturridge fit is world class and having benteke will give him the room he needs which he was missing when he was playing last year for us.

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01 Jul 2015 18:34:00
Spot on Lavers. I honestly think some people believe that by whining on here they affect the clubs decision making. Everything is so personal for them. At the end of the day it's just football. Like most clubs we will get more signings wrong than right. But unless you have a crystal ball you can't tell the hits from the misses in advance (apart from Balotelli!)

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01 Jul 2015 19:58:11
I said Clyne couldn`t defend because when left one on one, he isn`t better than Wisdom in that area and that Benteke was lazy and i`m not the only one who said that. marc Wilmots, belgian manager said the same thing about benteke as well and I saw with my own eys how Benteke didn`t even show up at an FA Cup final as he strolled around the pitch w/o being arsed to even chase a ball, for heaven`s sake.

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01 Jul 2015 21:41:15
You're describing the life of a footballer though redohio. They all have bad games! If you only ever refer to the bad performances and never anything positive then you are just being selective in the evidence that you use to support your position. We know you think he'd be a crap signing but you haven't nailed what type of player he actually is nor why he couldn't play a similar role for us as Diego Costa does at Chelsea. The Villa fan who posted the pen pic earlier paints a completely different picture to you and he watches him week in, week out. And his fee is his fee. We want 50m for a guy who scores half as many goals. Why would they sell their best player for less than the clause in his contract after he finished the season as the most in-form forward in the league? What we need quite frankly is to forget all this "type" stuff and find someone who has a knack of sticking it in the onion bag.

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01 Jul 2015 13:53:20
Hello eds, great work as usual over the summer so far.
I have a massive concern over the amount of money we are spending at the moment, especially if the Benteke reports which are building up steam turn out to be correct, speculation I know. I'm just wondering other than the obvious sterling Lambert boring Mario, Enrique, is there anyone else we are looking to offload to bring money in and save the wages? Surely this spending is a massive gamble to get back into those top 4 spots?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no interest in discussing the money.}

01 Jul 2015 15:36:29
Regardless of whether he is coming to us or not, i do think he is getting far too much stick from people. I do agree with Ed01 about his often poor work rate and also when he says he has all the talent in the world, but attitude may not be as it could/should.
However, so many saying he is crap etc etc, and i think your all way off the mark. How can anyone say he is rubbish really? He has had good and bad spells but has scored enough goals as well as setting a fair amount up to. He holds the ball up excellently and has a great head (like ed01 said - if we were a team to put crosses in which we currently aren't).

As for the cost, yeah i agree if its anything like being quoated its way too high, but that isn't his fault is it.

For me he would not have been in my top three or more picks for a striker but he is not crap at all, and should he come hope these same character/ability killers will show some support

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01 Jul 2015 15:56:26
figure I was told (which I put on the rumours) was 32.5M. However whether that is the actual transfer fee or whetjher it's the full package I do not know. If it's the transfer fee then we've paid well over the odds. I suspect it's the full package - ie purchase price, agents fees, salary for the length of the contract etc etc.

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{Ed002's Note - That is the transfer fee Aston Villa want.}

01 Jul 2015 17:53:05
What did Lukaku go for last season? How much are we selling Sterling for?

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01 Jul 2015 15:13:27
Does anyone think benteke can be coached into the way we play like pressing defenders and playing on the shoulder is he to stubborn? Will he take instruction do you think we can mould him into something new? Because we deffinnitly won't be playing long ball football. It'll either not work at all it work out brilliantly, thoughts.

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01 Jul 2015 15:34:34
He has a good shot, has speed, great aerial ability, can dribble too. His ability is clear, people are doubting whether he can bring all those aspects into a match consistently. Atleast he is a definite upgrade over balotelli.

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01 Jul 2015 15:59:30
Has speed? No he doesn't, his speed is average. Can dribble?? This is getting daft - have you watched him? Dribbling, particularly his dribbling speed, is poor. The reason why villa play balls into him at head height is because that is his strength - he is not one of those skillful, tall strikers at all.

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01 Jul 2015 15:12:27
Watching benteke on YouTube (I know)
But a lot of the time he holds the ball up well and 3 midfielders rush through into the space he creates.
We have some great players in coutinho, Ibe, firmino, Lallana and markovic who will create havoc to the oppositions back line in that scenario.
If your playing with 2 strikers we also have the likes of Sturridge and Ings to take advantage of the space benteke creates.
I know not everybody is happy with the signing but there does seem to be a plan coming together we just need to see it in action to understand it I think.
I think a lot of people are worried that because he's tall Rodgers is going to use him for headers and we have no real wingers, he also has 2 feet to pass to as well remember.
I'm a little worried but he's a player I have always liked and if he can get to his best form for us then we have a brilliant new striker.

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01 Jul 2015 16:26:19
I hope you´re right, but I fear he might be the next Carroll.

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01 Jul 2015 17:54:03
He's not the next Carroll, he had a good 4 months and we bought him.

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01 Jul 2015 18:35:38
And I suspect he doesn't drink like a fish and munch kebabs late at night either.

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01 Jul 2015 14:27:43
Were we ever seriously interested in shaquiri eds? Quality player , quite shocked he seems to be getting closer to a stoke move.

Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

01 Jul 2015 15:33:04
Cheers mate, I was a lil skeptical in January over our alleged interest as he seemed keen yet went to inter , plus always felt that if we truly wanted him we would have got him, anyway. cheers for the swift answer.

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01 Jul 2015 15:38:36
ED001

We know inter need to sell to buy (kondogbia etc) If inter sell Shaqiri on, will it look less likely they will want, or need to sell Kovacic?

Thanks in advance

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{Ed001's Note - the more they raise from others, the less they will need to sell, so yes.}

01 Jul 2015 14:26:53
I don't understand the problem here. He's a great player. Not bloody peter crouch

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01 Jul 2015 15:02:11
Wow you really managed to come across as a complete clown in such a short post.

Irrespective of whether or not Benteke suits our style, you have just gone and insulted a former player of ours who I would expect almost all Liverpool fans to really like.

Crouch tried his best, he was a good player for us and he seems like a really top bloke.

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01 Jul 2015 15:33:13
He may have insulted a former player but it is nothing compared to the name calling and abuse aimed at current players or even players who may or may not sign on this site alone. At least Charlesdance was trying to defend a future Liverpool player,maybe not correctly, but tried non the least. Here we have fans calling current players dead wood and not good enough and blah blah blah. I see both your points, both seem bit harsh, but nothing compared to some

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01 Jul 2015 15:42:28
Very disrespectful. Crouch is a good man, a lovely gentleman, wouldn't harm a fly and you slag him for being tall??

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01 Jul 2015 16:01:16
Crouch is also a good player. He had a slow start for us but grew into the role and showed something Benteke lacks which is serious technique and an ability to link with team effectively by playing the ball on the ground. Crouch was class, I was disappointed when he was sold.

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01 Jul 2015 16:13:40
Thats an utter disgrace, how anyone could discriminate against an honest man purely because he's a big lad. Crouchy was a trier and you just go and try to drag his name through the mud

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01 Jul 2015 16:35:06
This is the most disgusting comment I've ever seen on this site. Peter is a Liverpool legend

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01 Jul 2015 16:41:57
Peter Crouch was hugely underrated

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01 Jul 2015 17:42:20
Peter Crouch wasn't underrated and his International performances back that up.

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01 Jul 2015 17:54:25
JayIreland.

Are you Mary Whitehouse reincarnated?

You're seeing disgraceful things in a lot of posts.

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01 Jul 2015 17:55:40
Crouch was under rated, very skilful lad. That hattrick against the gunners will long live in the memory, as will the acrobatic scissor kick goals.

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01 Jul 2015 18:02:50
I wouldn't go as far as to say Peter Crouch is a Liverpool legend, but I always thought he played well and, more importantly, HARD for us and certainly doesn't deserve any bad comments from Reds fans (except for if he scores against us!)

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01 Jul 2015 13:59:34
With it seeming that inter have accepted a 12ml bid for shaquiri from Stoke! Does that effect our kovacic bid? With Inter making back the money they need by selling other players rather than kovacic!

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01 Jul 2015 14:49:42
I don`t think so.

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01 Jul 2015 15:16:43
They need to pay bayern anyway

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01 Jul 2015 13:32:39
Im actually pretty happy about benteke on his day he is unplayable like a young drogba, lethal, and a move to a club like us 'top 6' could take his game to the next level. Also he is a good free kick taker which we are lacking.

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01 Jul 2015 14:10:07
I cannot for the life of me imagine Benteke taking good free kicks?

Milner on the other hand I can imagine but I just can't picture Benteke being good at them.

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01 Jul 2015 14:30:55
Milner takes good free kicks.

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01 Jul 2015 14:35:00
Kind of coming around to it myself too. Not sure about the free kicks though! His record is decent for a clun like villa, if his attitude is good, we can still play good football and he can score.

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01 Jul 2015 14:43:01
Scored 1 during the season for sure I think maybe 1 or 2 more but I agree I'd have hendo or Milner on free kicks as it stands

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01 Jul 2015 14:50:36
When has Benteke ever been good at dead balls and in fact, when did he ever take one?

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01 Jul 2015 14:58:30
Have a look on YouTube there are a few free kicks in his goals compilation vids. Good ones too.

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01 Jul 2015 16:02:15
Like Drogba lol this is just desperation now as his signing looks more likely. Drogba had everything in his game and was by no means lazy, Benteke is nowhere near his level.

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01 Jul 2015 16:14:12
Doubt he'd take freekicks for us, unless its a situation where he's belting it as hard as he can. Milner, Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge are all a bit better, though I think it will be James who takes the majority.

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01 Jul 2015 13:29:06
Total waste of money. Hope I get to eat my words but I doubt it.

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01 Jul 2015 13:47:53
second worst ever bit of transfer business done by a club, comes in just slightly behind the Chelsea Torres deal.

Chelsea learned there lesson in the end, maybe we will too

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01 Jul 2015 13:48:14
The website is free mate, keep your head up.

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01 Jul 2015 14:04:47
if you're going to moan, at least clarify what it is about.

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01 Jul 2015 14:20:17
Like really at lest give him chance to prove himself? Aquillani Morientes Carroll Downing etc Embarrassing

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01 Jul 2015 14:38:26
Apparently Liverpool have offered Greece £4 million in cash for every player currently plying his trade in the Greek league

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01 Jul 2015 14:40:28
If we were going to learn we would have after Andy Carroll. Rodgers didn't see how a target man type player could fit into his system yet now we're going to break the bank to sign a target man that offers very little movement in or around the box and is going to hamper the assists of coutinho, firmino and Henderson.

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01 Jul 2015 14:45:46
Hope this isn't Carroll all over again

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01 Jul 2015 14:59:58
He's a really good player, not sure he's suited to us (playing style) but a few tweaks to that and he could be a star for us.

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01 Jul 2015 15:43:10
Benteke is class! I don't actually get what people are moaning about. He is 24, a Belgium international, and he destroys us everytime we play Villa. You lot will never be happy. It might be a bit over priced but other than that we have a beast and I know he will prove you all wrong.
YNWA!!! I can't wait to she he dismantle defences in a red shirt!!

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01 Jul 2015 16:03:42
@simo - our defence is rancid, a lot of players "destroyed us" last season. I wouldn't base an attackers quality on their performances against out defence which is, according to the man in charge, uncoachable.

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01 Jul 2015 13:08:57
Stating the obvious, if Liverpool buy Benteke they will have to change their style of play and mix it up more. As much as I love the ball being played on the deck (how football should be played in my opinion), Liverpool have been found out and need to change their style of play. We give possession away far to easily. It seems O'Driscoll will mix it up if it plays to our strengths. We have enough talent to lay it on a plate for Benteke. Still think he costs too much and is lazy. time will tell.

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01 Jul 2015 13:43:13
Maybe even a variant opf 5-2-2-1 with a back five of two fast moving wing-backs to whiop crosses in and three central defenders.

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01 Jul 2015 13:41:42
Change of formation to a more european-style 4-2-3-1. Benteke occupyimg the '1', with three runners behind him (Ibe, Firminho, Coutinho) and th3 '2' being Henderson & Milner.

Just leaves the back four to sort out.

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01 Jul 2015 14:30:37
This has 4-2-3-1 written all over it.

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01 Jul 2015 15:07:00
Love this idea with Ibe and Firminho playing wide and Coutinho supporting behind Benteke. Could see Coutinho and Firminho rotaing as well. When Sturridge comes back could see them using a 4-4-2 diamond to get both Strikers involved and still have Countinho in that play making role.

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01 Jul 2015 15:20:52
where does sturridge fit into that RL?

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01 Jul 2015 16:03:25
Firstly sturridge if fit replacing benteke
And milner and henderson are not holding defensive midfielders. It will likely be a back 4, can in front of the back 4,and milner and henderson in front of him. Then the front 3 of firminho coutinho and sturridge spearheading

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01 Jul 2015 16:15:08
I think if LFC utilizes a 4-2-3-1 you will see Rogers rotate Strikers from game to game. Sturridge struggles to maintain his fitness anyways and a rotation may allow him to play a full season. Also imagine having quality coming off the bench in a game where we need to mix things up at halftime. The possibilities with having depth like Ings Origi and Sturridge vs Lambert,Borini, and Mario.

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01 Jul 2015 17:10:15
I'm not sure how Sturridge will play a full season bearing in mind he is already out until December :)

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01 Jul 2015 12:39:36
Very pleased with the Clyne deal. Been saying we should sign him for the past 2/3 years.

Red Rum

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01 Jul 2015 14:36:03
Not having that! Maybe last 2/3 windows but no way did you say 3 years ago sign the 21 y/o clyne

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01 Jul 2015 15:39:05
Re Clyne I wanted us to sign him when hejoined the saints ggood signing.

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01 Jul 2015 12:30:46
Has Liverpool any interest in Peter Odenwingie as he's a free agent?
Think he would be a good back up striker.

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01 Jul 2015 12:33:51
We have enough backup players.

Red Rum

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01 Jul 2015 12:33:57
Your joking right?

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01 Jul 2015 12:35:58
Oh my.

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01 Jul 2015 12:54:44
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I did read that right 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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01 Jul 2015 12:51:07
Which Liverpool?

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01 Jul 2015 12:51:38
I hope Odemwingie signs. He has great character and experience . He is a real technician.

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01 Jul 2015 13:03:12
Look out for a ford cortina in the car park.

YNWA

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01 Jul 2015 15:44:44
We wouldn't do business with he's agent . He's a s@@@@@g

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01 Jul 2015 12:29:33
Clyne deal confirmed. Improvement to the first 11

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01 Jul 2015 12:24:10
Hearing Allen is off

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01 Jul 2015 12:51:29
Must be the heat

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01 Jul 2015 13:30:30
That made me laugh boom thanks.

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01 Jul 2015 14:52:08
To where?

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01 Jul 2015 15:04:34
I thought it was his aftershave.

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01 Jul 2015 12:20:36
Clyne signing confirmed. I'm excited about this one;
The first one that definitely improves the first 11. We were sorely lacking in that position last season!

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01 Jul 2015 12:39:27
Clyne, Milner & Firmino all improve first XI

We didn't have a decent RB last season, Gerrard was ineffectual and the midfield poor and Firmino will score more than Sterling and wants to be here!

A reliable goalscoring striker and the squad will look strong.

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01 Jul 2015 13:18:02
Let's leave Stevie alone now. Better to have loved and lost.

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01 Jul 2015 15:52:41
Stevie is one of my top 3 LFC players of all time but last season he was a pale shadow of himself.

Not helped by the rest of the team being dysfunctional.

Certainly not a slight on an LFC legend.

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01 Jul 2015 12:16:12
As a matter of interest have Liverpool always owned the place across from the Royal Liver Building?
There seems to be a lot of pics of players with that in the background lately!

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01 Jul 2015 13:19:22
a hotel room??

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01 Jul 2015 13:05:36
The new London Office.

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01 Jul 2015 13:32:43
Could be an admin office, impossible for me to know. All the transfers last summer were players at Melwood having pics take but this year they've changed the location so was curious.

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01 Jul 2015 15:03:39
I think there is a big office block there I know there is a hotel as well but an office seems more likely seeing as though the liver birds are always in the same place.
I think the pics are taken there to get the liver buildings in shot (iconic Liverpool backdrop)

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01 Jul 2015 12:10:46
Hi Eds, first time poster. With clyne looking a likely deal and benteke now rumoured to be top striking target. Do you suspect Liverpool to then close the cheque book? Speculation on others seems to have dried up/quietened down.

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{Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}

01 Jul 2015 11:53:30
If it really does happen then I have to believe that Rodgers has learned from last season and sees something in Benteke that us Liverpool fans just simply don't.

Pure faith fellas. It's what got us through the last 20 years!

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01 Jul 2015 11:58:17
He lays the ball off well for runners! And we have plenty of runners.

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01 Jul 2015 12:18:48
I'm hoping it's one of them smokescreen things, as we prepare to announce Lacazette! ;)

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01 Jul 2015 16:05:42
me too red rum, me too.

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01 Jul 2015 11:40:33
Benteke done as said by eds. Now how Rodgers is going to play liverpool next season. When Benteke plays striker then he needs to play long balls put crosses in box but for Sturridge fast passing and team have to rely on movement of Sturridge. Biggest question is that will Rodgers carry on changing style of play according to needs of two very different kind strikers. Elucidate Fellow fans and eds. Sorry for my lack of knowledge.

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01 Jul 2015 12:28:15
I haven't seen any of the eds say the benteke deal is done yet. Just that we are trying to do the deal.

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01 Jul 2015 14:52:56
The ed`s have mentioned NOTHING of the sort

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01 Jul 2015 11:33:20
Hi eds

Alot of reports saying the benteke deal is all but done and will be announced as soon as tomorow. Do you believe that will be it for us this summer? Or do you see any further business being done?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to such things.}

01 Jul 2015 12:57:43
Every one is running the story from Talk Crap (sport) they have been wrong numerous times although it's a ballsy statement to make.

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01 Jul 2015 11:00:43
Reading Benteke is all but agreed, not my first choice as i don't think he suits our style of play, anything on it eds?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are looking to complete a deal for Benteke - why do I have to say the same thing over and over again.}

01 Jul 2015 11:26:28
Because we all say the same things over and again so it's only fair ed ;)

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01 Jul 2015 11:27:31
I dint know wether to cry, punch something or be happy.

I close my eyes and picture benteke battering the cb's, holding the ball up for the 3 amigos ibe, fir, cou.

But then I remember I have seen him play numerous amounts of time. Its more of a picture you build up of what said player is like when in reality there nothing like what you think, he can't play in a team that passes around because he doesn't have the drive to make runs etc (also makes coutnho pretty pointless to have in the team)

If we get him we have to go direct play, and Brendan will just not do that, he will maintain what he did with lambert & ballo up front.

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01 Jul 2015 11:56:51
If we sign him let's get behind him, you never know how he will adapt, I've seen good players over the years not being able to settle into our team so let's give the lad a chance at least he should get into double figures and who knows what else .

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01 Jul 2015 13:38:52
It will/may all end in tears. I guess we will have to wait and find out how it pans out. We will probably pay villa £42m for him to rub salt into the wounds.

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01 Jul 2015 15:07:58
Supporting him and the team is and will never be the issue. Support and faith don`t win games. players and tactics do and that is where the issue lies. Except Benteke can do a complete 180 degree shift and suddenly be the player that can flourish in the high press, quick pass and move system we hav, i don`t see how he will fit in except the system is changed to suit him which won`t happen. He has the ability to be better than he actually is but I just don`t see that happening in our system i would be happy to be proven wrong tho

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01 Jul 2015 10:27:19
It's stating Liverpool av agreed with Aston villa the signature of benteke 😊 I don't think we done with transfers yet still a few more to go lol come on u reds YNWA 😊😊

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01 Jul 2015 10:17:58
I understand the hate for Benteke. But why are you guys suggesting we should sign Gomez or Llorente instead? Benteke is better.

Benteke is a beast. I would be slightly scared if United, Chelsea or Spurs sign him so if we get him I would be happy.

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01 Jul 2015 11:36:01
So was Andy Carroll when he was playing for Newcastle. Granted that Benteke has had more PL experience, there are similarities in both transfers, Beastly for their previous teams, but not for us.

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01 Jul 2015 11:55:47
Not at the price villa want garcia. Have a strong feeling this will be a terrible signing

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01 Jul 2015 12:28:33
Personally, I don't think Gomez, Llorente, Rondon, Lambert, Balotelli, Carroll, Benteke or any other big number 9 suits the style we play. However, having said that, if I were to choose one of the above it would be Benteke, because he has shown that he can make runs in behind and does have pace, power and an eye for goal. Who knows? He'll either fit in or he'll flop like the strikers we've signed in the past. Lacazette or a similar striker would have been worth perusing in my opinion.

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01 Jul 2015 12:43:20
Kaizer mate I don't think benteke is like Carroll. He's quicker, stronger and I think marginally better with the ball at his feet. That being said we need someone who will complement sturridge when he's fit and be able to play as alone striker when sturridge is out. Is benteke that striker? I don't think so! Hope we are all wrong if we do sign him.

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01 Jul 2015 12:57:33
Red-Rum

Out of interest. Were you a fan of 6'2" Diego Costa when he was linked? Or would he not suit our style of play either?

You see I rather suspect we will be playing a system very similar to Chelsea next season. 4-2-3-1 morphing into diamond 4-4-2 or 3-5-2.

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01 Jul 2015 12:58:58
prove me wrong benteke. fulfill your potential here, if your coming.

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01 Jul 2015 13:22:26
I don't think anyone hates him gs ,we just can't understand why ,he is a player who needs crosses from the bi-line and that's not the way we play ,so if he's signed as a plan b it's a lot of money to spend while lambert could do that

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01 Jul 2015 13:38:29
I'm not a fan of target men in general as they don't suit the style I want us to play. The same style that brought us within touching distance of the title in 13/14. But in answer to your question, if we had to have a target man, like Benteke, Costa would be a better option than the ones I listed above.

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01 Jul 2015 13:40:15
I don`t understand where people get this rubbish idea that just because we have reservations on a player`s ability to help our team, is suddenly classed as hatred for said player. It seems that people can`t distinguish simple disagreements from hatred. Baffling, really.

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01 Jul 2015 15:11:19
@redohio, totally agree. I think some people like drama so try to pretend we are looking to hang players upside down outside the club until they get lost!

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01 Jul 2015 15:59:07
Well just say you don't fancy him and he wouldn't fit the system rather than making things up about players like 75% of his goals come from crosses (really) and he's lazy (based on the comments of his international manager after ONE match). Every player has an off day, no energy etc so why take one isolated incident and create a damning verdict on a players whole career from it? I don't mind anyone backing up what they say up but if people (myself included) talk ballcocks then they should expect to get picked up on it. If people like reading the same rubbish every day good luck to them.

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01 Jul 2015 10:16:08
Graham Beecroft has said that the Benteke deal is nearly sealed and will sign very soon.

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01 Jul 2015 10:14:24
Bit in the media stating that Lacazette is available for around 21m and looking to move from Lyon. Not sure how true that is, and although that's the striker I'd like to see Liverpool sign, i'm guessing that's still a non-starter Ed's? Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Right.}

01 Jul 2015 10:26:54
Figured as much. Wishful thinking. Looks like Benteke deal will happen now anyway

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01 Jul 2015 09:56:58
Benteke now
Where on earth is this money coming from??

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01 Jul 2015 11:31:05
Man city apparently.

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01 Jul 2015 11:36:47
probably the same way we got some money last season? debts?

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01 Jul 2015 11:38:36
Not from Greece that's for sure! I had a Greek yoghurt for my dinner, when I opened it up there was an i.o.u inside it.

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01 Jul 2015 09:32:11
Ed001 I was at Joe Gomez' leaving BBQ yesterday and he was talking about how much he like O'driscoll, he was saying he's very quite but has great ideas, also Ibe has been told they want to try him out a bit deeper in pre season, not sure if it will happen though or why they would want too.

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01 Jul 2015 10:33:04
Ibe may be too dangerous going forward so it could be to try to limit his attacking prowess so that instead of him tearing apart a full back he could try to play full back himself. Other managers will be bamboozled

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01 Jul 2015 11:12:13
I reckon it's to accommodate Firmino myself

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01 Jul 2015 12:34:48
Square tomato: how deeper can he get than wingback? - surely they ain't going to play him at full back!

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01 Jul 2015 13:42:01
No way he plays wingback unless Clyne and Moreno both get injured. I think Firmino will play as a #10 behind a central striker. Coutinho, Henderson and Milner are likely to be mainstays in the side, so Lallana, Markovic, Ibe, Allen, Lucas and Can are fighting for 2 spots. That actually gives us a fair few options if we want to play more robust in the middle of the park (Can, Lucas), one-two touch (Allen) or with more width (Markovic, Ibe).

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01 Jul 2015 13:42:09
Goalie, then because that`s the deepest he can play on our side of the pitch except of course, if you want him plaing in the Kop end

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01 Jul 2015 08:58:37
Hypothetical question. If after ten games we have say 6 points, and were say 6th from bottom, in view of the tv deal that kicks in what do the club do? And if anyone wants to get involved in this hypothesis, then give your thoughts but say what you think they should do and give a realistic achievable improvement. I will be interested to see who replys to this and there ideas, but it will also be very interesting to see who avoids this question and doesn't!

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{Ed002's Note - The TV deal is not this coming season Waro.

FSG has an exit plan, but they are giving another shot at getting it right on the field.}

01 Jul 2015 09:16:19
Sorry ed002, that's what I ment, staying in the premier league in view of the TV deal that comes in in the 16/17 season, it's imperative teams stay in the division so how would the club react if we have a bad start? Particularly in view of the owners plans as you've stated.

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect they would look to bringing in one of those who has been advising the club, in particular one person I would think, to oversee what is going one. He has a lot of good experience. However, it would not please the manager.}

01 Jul 2015 09:18:03
It's very early in the close season and it seems highly likely now that FSG are intent on sticking with BR. I for one am very much behind the owners but if the situation u talk of arises then I expect them to make a decision. right or wrong I am not sure. I think this year is make or break. Pleased with the signings thus far, I just feel in my heart we will have a much better season.

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01 Jul 2015 09:33:10
Ed002 do you mean an exit plan as in them selling the club or swapping manager? Don't know if I've not read it right early start this morning

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{Ed002's Note - They have an exit plan in place to sell the club - most of the owners and investors in clubs do.}

01 Jul 2015 09:39:10
What an AMAZING question?? Oh genie mack I can't wait to answer this.

Sorry Waro couldn't help myself but your let's see who replys and anyone who doesn't but posts something today then uh oh must be laughed at!

For me it would actually depend on how the team were playing and who is playing. I know they would have to be awful to get that many points but are the players fighting for him? Do they look like they understand the plan or do they look lost? Is Can playing centre back or full back again? Is he persisting with silly formations playing Markovic left back now or something?

If the players are trying hard and seem to know what they are supposed to be doing and we have a reasonable formation with players playing where they are comfortable then I'd consider letting him continue and give him more time to turn it around. I'd also need the high press to be played though because if it was tactics of keeping the ball but doing nothing with it and dropping off the opposition then I wouldn't see him turning it around.

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01 Jul 2015 09:48:36
Hahahahaha, how can you disagree with a question😂😂

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01 Jul 2015 09:48:44
I guess Rodgers would be sacked and they have O'Driscoll to step in. Maybe youth will be more introduced, as both he and Pipjin are known for their work.

No more funds for players, names like Countinho will want to leave if again we miss CL or even challenge. Add anyone else you think. These will be replaced by our own. Sale Funds will go towards this debt (still unclear how FSG have saved us yet we are in massive debt? Surely no real difference).

Owners will look to sell, with a slightly better stadium, good marketing and sponsorship in place. Reduced debt from senior first team sales without replacement. Reduced wages as now mostly youth academy players.

Imo. I don't see us getting to this stage. We have good players and squad, good coaches. Even when Rodgers was getting it wrong we still picked up points and sometimes unlucky to drop any. Mostly due to poor finishing and no strikers. but with Ings Origi and some £20-£30m striker in, doubt this problem will arise.
Imo appointments are via FSG with Rodgers agreement (maybe not? He will publicly say their his choices of course) point being, these guys won't allow the unusual out of poisition play. I think BR may have lot less control then before, I'm sure they'd rather he quit then pay off contract.
Add also some quality elsewhere. Ilori getting a chance, must be better then Skrtel or Lovren. Milner may not float a lot of boats, but Gerrard was poor last season, Milner will improve us. Firmino, enough said. Clyne over Johnson, or out of position wingers. Ibe and Can will have improved, maybe Moreno as well?

I really don't see as tough as the fixtures look, only 6 points from 30. No matter how awful we've been, I don't think its been that bad ever. With worse squads. And as awful as the last game was, the last couple of results, our season was already over, champions seem to also drop points after the title us won cause their season is over too.

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01 Jul 2015 10:14:28
So far only max has attempted to answer the question. Sean, no idea what you were trying to get across in your post, sorry😕.

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01 Jul 2015 10:16:44
It's a tough question waro, as Sean stated there are many factors at play and sometimes it can come down to plain bad luck with results. Generally speaking and assuming most of the lack of points came down to bad formations/ tactics and lack of a goalscorer or 'uncoachable defensive mistakes' then I would lay that squarely with the manager. CL would be basically gone already bar a minor miracle so you may as well get rid and look to bring in klopp or even ancelotti( assuming he was over his illness and was available) Hiddink wouldn't be a bad option either in my opinion. If they really are looking to give it one last shot then at least try with a proven manager- not one that has never won a trophy in his life ( and at that stage would have had close to 300 mil and 3 and half years in charge). That all sounds a bit negative, if BR is staying time to get behind the team again and look forward to the new season!

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01 Jul 2015 10:10:45
The manager would be sacked (possibly before this) and the club would move on.

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01 Jul 2015 10:36:28
Waro, sorry I don't know how you can't understand that. I'll try clarify it even further for you -

If the players are playing out of position, not trying hard, look confused and we're playing boring possession without intent football then I would sack him.

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01 Jul 2015 10:42:17
Maybe the team will get off to a flier who knows but change at a club can be positive and maybe just maybe Rogers can get us back playing full press and going at teams again , I would like to see us go at teams again

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01 Jul 2015 10:44:45
If we've only got 6 points from 30 I should imagine the owners would get rid of rogers, he would be odds on to try and shift the blame he may even try and use the T word again, but surely enough would be enough by then and he would be gone, I would be in favor of getting new manager in asap rather than drifting through the season hoping those on sabbatical want the job at the end of the season, can't imagine this happening though as the 1 st 11 look much stronger in fact I'd say with the current squad we should be pushing for top 4 easily, a lot will depend on rogers ability to learn from mistakes something he's not managed to do in 3 seasons

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01 Jul 2015 10:47:26
I think it would depend on circumstances Waro.

For example; if the poor results were due to an injury crisis it would be unfair to replace manager.

If it was due to players being played out of position then it would be completely fair to say manager is responsible (along with the players)

It could be any number of immeasurable and unforeseeable conditions which may have contributed to the results and as such each results should be reviewed on it's own merit.

If after reviewing them we could say that the largest contribution to those results is poor tactics/team selection then I would be ok with replacing the manager.

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01 Jul 2015 10:48:50
Sorry should also add that my realistic improvement would simply be to finish the same position as last year at least, very achievable under the circumstances listed.

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01 Jul 2015 11:02:57
I was in favour of BR being given this season to turn things around, I felt he earned the chance.
To answer your question, however, the useful indicator is two points gained per game as an average to realistically look at CL qualification and even mount a title challenge.
In your scenario, the league season effectively becomes over.
I was going to say he should go, but then I remembered EL.
Hmm, yeah he'd have to go.
Too much money been spent again.

After ten games, I'd say his margin could be 15-20 + point gained. On thin ice with anything less than that.

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01 Jul 2015 11:37:02
I would have sacked Rodgers already.
I see it as a mistake by the owners that they haven't already.
If it's the same old story when the season starts then I expect him to be sacked after say 10-15 games.
I don't see the owners selling anytime soon though Waro, sorry to disappoint you.

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01 Jul 2015 12:09:12
I'd say max probably has everything what would happen mentioned.

No one else think rodgers has a blessing with the away fixtures?

1. If he wins home games and gets a point or two away no matter where we are in the league he will have a legitimate case of we have the amount of points we expected at this stage.

2. The first game is Stoke I know tough place to go we got battered but it's still arguably the most winnable. Win this game and a good deal of pressure would be taken off the next 2-3 away games (as long as we're doing the business at home of course)

3. First few weeks of the season is basically a lottery. Anyone can beat anyone in the first 7-8 weeks probably especially the first few while the windows is open (look at arsenal in recent years) so with the potential negativity of supporters a up in the air lottery of a game suits us and leaves us with key home games at the business end of the season.

4. Bit of a repeat but players have the chance to make them self instant heroes. benteke scores 2 against Stoke and a winner against United he's a hero. Firmino scores a screamer against the spuds hero. We keep a clean sheet against city the defense is sorted. Things like this effect early confidence which can be a big difference.

So waro back to your question which admittedly I haven't really answered so far.

Yes in your scenario rodgers should and almost definitely would be gone.

A scenario where we have 20-22 points from the first 10 games (about as likely as 6 points imo) then we are in a strong position with potentially a team that still isn't at full form and people like sturridge to come back

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01 Jul 2015 12:49:24
The scenario only begs one answer though Waro? Of course he'd be sacked if those 10 games were added to the end of last season. Any sane person could only deduce the players weren't playing for him or were confused because there's no way our squad should have just 6 pts from 10 games!

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01 Jul 2015 13:48:25
He should never have been kept and the fact that all theses changes good or bad, are happening yet the main culprit for our issues is still around, does not bode well.

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01 Jul 2015 08:12:39
Hi eds,

Hasn't been asked in a while so thought I would,

With lacazette and Lyon talk said to have broken down and they're looking for 21 million for him is there any chance of an interest from us,

Can't help but think with Sturridge, , coutinho, firmino, ibe, sterling IF he ends up staying and the others we have we would have a frightening,

Forget benteke and all the others go all out for lacazette

Is there an interest or a chance?

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Lyon have not said anything about the fee. Liverpool's interest in another striker is elsewhere. No.}

01 Jul 2015 09:41:52
Is the striker Benteke eds?

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{Ed002's Note - How many times do I need to say? Yes.}

01 Jul 2015 06:03:25
Really hope Illori is given a chance this year and isn't shafted from the club, looks like he could develop to be a top top centre back.

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01 Jul 2015 05:38:16
Hey Eds Great site , love your work!.

Heard anything about Paulo Henrique Chagas de Lima ( aka Ganso) currently at Sao Paulo FC.

I Hear he's Europe bound, and rated by some as better than Oscar?

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page.}

01 Jul 2015 13:49:26
His chance has gone

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01 Jul 2015 01:15:26
Greetings Eds & fellow reds

Just seen we are nailed on to sign.

Benteke
Higuain
Lacazette
Gomez

This was on one site! Just goes to show that it really is silly season.
Given the amount of rubbish being spouted every day just want to say great job to the Eds.

Not always right but never far off .Great knowledge .

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01 Jul 2015 09:42:25
Not always right? They're telling us where there is interest so I believe they are always right in what they say.

If they know of an offer they tell us and if they don't then they say they haven't heard of any confirmed offer, etc.

They don't make false claims trying to jump the gun and guess just to keep some people happy.

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