Liverpool Banter Archive June 01 2017

 

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01 Jun 2017 23:33:41
i just don't understand vvd.

Loren and matip where solid last year apsrt from when injurys hit.

We need full backs. Why blow our load on him. When were alright there.

Just don't see us having much past vvd and salah that's potentially 80 mil.

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02 Jun 2017 00:06:03
We are clearly not alright there, because lovren looks like having that 1 massive mistake in him every game and a fair few will agree with me, Don't understand why we have given him a new contract to be honest?


02 Jun 2017 00:28:33
Vvd is a good player but can be caught out of position. He could go on to be an excellent player for us and I hope he does sign. But should we also not be looking at our coaching staff in term of defence, we could sign all the talent in the world at the back but if they are not being coached correctly or learning the tactics the same mistakes will persist as the last few seasons. Look at what a difference the gk coaches have made to Migs since they have changed what they were doing.


02 Jun 2017 00:55:15
VVD would be an excellent CB if he improved his concentration and put more effort on the pitch. His talent and athletic ability has never been in question. If the lad wants us over Chelsea and City however, then its probable that he will be willing to do what KLopp expects from him. If Klopp sorts VVD out, then we have one of the best CBs in the world at our disposal. If not then we will have blown 50 million quid. This deal could make or break Klopp's LFC tenure.


02 Jun 2017 06:37:52
Lovren has a touch of "the Migs". He can look class for 2-3 games in a row then he manages to perform the most basic rudimentary error which costs us points.

He is not what I would term "solid". Matip started brilliantly but had similar "Mig moments". It was his first season so he's allowed a settling in period.
I'm not convinced about Van Dijk for £50-70 million.


02 Jun 2017 08:09:08
Thing is Ron, who else is there we could go for? We definitely have an issue at centre back and I don't see that the answer is the likes of Gibson/ Keane/ Maguire as they're mid table players at best. To me VVD has proved himself capable for the last couple of seasons and he has pace, is dominant in the air and good on the ball.


02 Jun 2017 08:23:07
Agree Ron,

Lovren struggles against pace when attackers run at him, far too often he was caught napping, with players easily getting goal side of him.

Matip lost a bit of confidence after his great start.

I also agree with Ed 1, the full backs are an issue and need to be addressed.


02 Jun 2017 09:20:33
The comment that mentions the defensive coaching staff, What they are doing isn't working clearly like the goalkeeper coaching and they have mixed that up and now look at Mig! he's got much better.

Little tweek in the Defensive coaching needs to be done.


02 Jun 2017 10:53:06
Lovren and Matip were hardly solid!

Lovren literally has a brain fart moment or two in every game and Matip looks to have a mistake in him too every now and then.

VVD has had moments where he looks lethargic or careless for Southampton but we have to trust Klopp that he knows what he's doing and that VVD will give us something we are missing at the back. Undoubtedly better LBs and RBs will help whoever plays at CD for us as Milner and Clyne have hardly given them much help defensively.

I think it's fair to say that most on here were pretty disillusioned with the signing of Wijnaldum last Summer as most thought he lacked fight and desire following s string of poor performances at Newcastle, and the same can be said of Mane with rumours of a poor attitude, but both have stepped up to the plate and improved their game and really added something to our team, and we have to have faith that whoever Klopp brings in, be it VVD, Salah, Clichy, Ox or Robertson that he knows what he's doing and will get them playing better than they have done for their respective clubs.


02 Jun 2017 16:22:38
Supermane -what options do we go to if matip/ lovren partnership doesn't work or if they do work but one is injured all the time?


02 Jun 2017 17:11:50
Who said this was our entire budget?

Owners got money to spend if the price is right.


01 Jun 2017 23:51:32
hello mates
I'll like for us to take a step back the salah and Brandt rumours and take a mental tour of Europe. there are so many decent players to choose from attacking wise. I for one would love one of forsberg or Werner. excellent pace (those who think forsberg isn't freaking pacy are deluded), work rate (fits Kloppo system), an eye for goal, team work, and experience with both 26 and 25 respectively. of course there's no guarantee that we'll get them but this guys are the real deal. I'm sure there are others out there that are actually truly good players (not just based on YouTube clips)
cheers

who are your picks?

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02 Jun 2017 08:27:19
Werner is actually 21 or 22.


02 Jun 2017 17:45:13
Forsberg has had a good season for RB this season and he's a talented lad. Werner is a striker on the other hand and not a winger. Both are good players.


01 Jun 2017 20:52:46
So, we had a list of players we would go for if we got Champions League football and a list of players we would go for if we didn't. We didn't get Sessegnon, won't now by the look of it get Brandt and are apparently messing VVD about the structure of wages. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't these players on our wishlist SHOULD we get Champions League football? It isn't the end of the World and there are other good players out there. but if they are/ were our main targets and if we are still dragging our heels getting deals done then it is Poor form!

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01 Jun 2017 21:17:51
Van dikj is a class centre back. I always thought he was highly unlikely.


01 Jun 2017 21:46:23
The people slating VVD are ridiculously wide of the mark if they think he's a terrible centre half. Because clearly he isn't. If we had the chance of signing him and blew it because of our own stupidity and then end up with a substandard player like Keane or Gibson, then we only have ourselves to blame for making ourselves a laughing stock and wasting money on players that no other top club would consider. And to think, people used to slag off Ian Ayre.


{Ed025's Note - i dont think you like LFC very much do you FMS?..

01 Jun 2017 21:57:00
Ed025 we could sign Messi and Ronaldo and I'll still not be happy this window unless we sign a quaility right back or left back and push Milner to right back. I can't look at the team sheet next season with Clyne on it. Young Arnold still needs time.


{Ed025's Note - im not his biggest fan either AL but rome was not built in a day mate...if you were on it it might have though.. :)

01 Jun 2017 22:16:24
Ino mate but I feel again we're not addressing the real cracks. If we can waste time trying to pursue ox from Arsenal (who we may get According to macca) who we absolutely do not need I see no excuse as to why we can't search for a quaility right back and even left back. Robertson is worse than Clyne. With the way we play and space down the wings it's a no given.


01 Jun 2017 22:29:01
Hes not that bad. Jesus.

He plays every game and always delievers a 6/ 7. Point is we could upgrade but its not urgent. If a good one xomes up then great and could always try milner at rb.


01 Jun 2017 23:49:51
To be honest if any player choses not to sign because his demands break our wage structure then good. Im sick to death of greedy footballers, its hardly like VVD would be worried about paying off his mortgage! It gets to a point when its not about football anymore and any transfer target should be more interested in enjoying the privilege of playing for Liverpool, instead of thinking about how much they can squeeze the club for. Shanks must be turning in his grave at the state of the modern game. Wish the FA had got in front of it in the late 90's and introduced a wage cap when the silly money started getting waved about. Sorry lads moan over.


02 Jun 2017 01:24:28
It's not the amount that is the issue. The issue is that we offered him one deal then renegade at the last minute changed it completely to something much lower. Don't know about anyone else but that would p**s me off to.


01 Jun 2017 22:00:50
He doesn't Ed025, you should've seen the fuss he made when we signed wijnaldum last summer. Turned out to be one of our best player this season though didn't he, Frankly? I suggest you wait and see who we sign before kicking off slagging off the club and even then waiting to see how that player performs. The ed's have always maintained that we aren't after a CB so I don't think van Dijk was even a target in the first place, just media stirring the pot.
It's the first of June. The international transfer window doesn't even open for another month, the only reason people are getting upset is because City have bought a couple of ridiculously overpriced players from much weaker leagues. If you want to support a club that spends £200M+ a year then go support them or United. One barely finished above us and the other finished 6th. They have really really expensive players with exotic names though which is what matters to most these days.
Sorry about the rant, these posts are starting to wind me up now and there's still a long way to go. God help me😂.


{Ed025's Note - now you know how we feel tomo mate..

01 Jun 2017 22:04:34
I don't want us to sign the likes of Gibson/ Keane/ Maguire ed025 as it would be a waste of money, it's now very likely that we've blown the chance of getting a good quality centre back by messing Van Dijk around in almost exactly the same way that we've blown other potential deals in the past.


{Ed025's Note - keane was in the last england squad FMS so cant be that bad, i actually like a balance and think 1 or 2 lesser lights can be accommodated into most sides, i think your being a bit elitist there mate expecting a "worldie" in every position, its not always about how much a player costs as coleman for us cost £60k..

01 Jun 2017 20:29:42
If its true the club are tryin to restructure wages already agreed with vvd the club haven't lifted the rick parry curse and are still using his idiot guide to transfer deals.

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01 Jun 2017 20:51:02
What?


01 Jun 2017 21:03:53
Standard us.


01 Jun 2017 21:41:49
Sorry if I missed something here but what's the source of this story . has it been confirmed by the eds?


{Ed025's Note - no mate..

01 Jun 2017 22:03:42
Cheers Ed . would you take him at Everton? At Southampton he gets more protection than he would for us even lovren looked good in that set up.


{Ed025's Note - i think hes very good squizza and would take him in a heartbeat, not everyone,s cup of tea but thats opinions for you mate..

01 Jun 2017 18:24:41
We wanted Gotze last year and ended up signing Mane. I don't need to tell you how that turned out :)

We want Brandt this year and we may soon get Salah. Everything will be fine.

However, we need to sign Keita as he is a beast! YNWA.

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01 Jun 2017 19:48:42
I'd be happy with Salah. Ticks all the boxes for a winger, quick, skilful, good passer and an end product. Runs his arse off too.


01 Jun 2017 20:15:37
Only thing I see as an issue, I think one of the eds said it too, mane and salah are both RWs. Would be fantastic to have them both running at defences next season, but would it work?


01 Jun 2017 20:30:55
Salah is left footed and will have no problem switching to the LW if needed. He is an excellent player who has improved a lot since his move to Roma.


01 Jun 2017 21:45:23
^ fair enough :)
Love a side with pace!


01 Jun 2017 23:16:53
It can't hurt to have extra options either. Will keep players on their toes and hopefully stop some of them going missing in matches.


01 Jun 2017 17:11:06
Eds, does it look like a salah deal is happening?

Would it be instead of Brandt?

Thanks!

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01 Jun 2017 17:45:09
Like Ed002 has said, Brandt wants assurances and rumours of Salah are hotting up now so unlikely Liverpool will still pursue Brandt or any other wide attacking player if Salah did join.

Even if Sturridge goes we may not sign another striker with Ings, Origi and now Solanke being options.


01 Jun 2017 18:11:22
Dont think eds has said that mate about a Striker. One will arrive.


01 Jun 2017 18:14:11
I'm sorry max but I don't think that's good enough to be honest mate a player who hasn't played a full season in two years another who blows hot and cold and a 19 year old.


01 Jun 2017 18:25:04
Kloppsreds, second part of my comment about the striker is the way I see it. We will still have two strikers waiting in Ings and Origi plus Solanke who will most likely get chances next season.

The first part was referring to what Ed002 said.


01 Jun 2017 23:03:43
We also have firmino who has been klopps preferred choice all season when the squad has been fully fit. IMO we don't need another striker we just need to keep the ones we have fit and in form and get some consistency with them.


01 Jun 2017 17:02:11
If the salah rumours are true eds would that mean we won't be signing brandt also is there a reason we seem to be missing out on what are apparently are first choice signings I trust klopp but some of the players we are being linked with are a bit underwhelming.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't see where Salah would fit if Brandt were also signed.}

01 Jun 2017 19:58:39
Considering our game load and the problems when we lost our current one true wide man wouldn't 3 wide men, all of whom seem capable of playing either side, of a high standard, be a good move and all 3 get plenty of time on the pitch?


01 Jun 2017 22:17:13
So pay 40 million for someone who might come on as a sub hmmmmm.


01 Jun 2017 18:17:33
Thanks eds 2 on a side note I'm not sure who you support even anyone at all but you really have top notch knowledge when it comes to football so I was just wondering what you think of the players we are being linked with as in do you think there a high enough standard for Liverpool to step up to the next level I'd also love your opinion ed1 if your about and the two of you have time cheers keep up the great work.


{Ed002's Note - I think Brandt would be a very good addition indeed if it could be done.}

01 Jun 2017 16:44:20
As they say, 'Que Salah, Salah. '

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01 Jun 2017 18:17:34
we're getting laughable in the teansfer market. our bargaining abilities are non existent. can yoy name another prem club that would pay that for salah.


{Ed025's Note - its the going rate these days...£89m for pogba and all that..

01 Jun 2017 19:23:00
When other clubs see EPL clubs rocking up at their front door and ask, I want your player, then I guess it is a case of that club telling the EPL club, pay up or bugger off.

We even see this happening between EPL clubs LOL.


01 Jun 2017 16:22:26
Haven't seen anything really of Salah but remember he was quite highly rated when we tried to sign him from Basel. Eds said there was interest but just wondering whether the eds have watched him more recently and whether he's improved and would improve our lineup?

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{Ed002's Note - He is a decent player.}

01 Jun 2017 17:00:44
Very decent indeed Ed002. He's been a standout player for Roma. We messed it up royally last time and thankfully we've potentially got the chance to put it right and he's got the chance to show his quality.


01 Jun 2017 17:05:04
He does not get into the starting line-up if everyone's fit and sturridge is fit and stays at the club.
You have your front three of Firminho, Sturridge and Mane. Coutinho just off them and your two midfielders.
he's competing with Mane in my book. There like for like players.
Now Klopp may see no future for Sturridge or want salah on the left wing or interchange with Mane and drops someone who imo is a superior player.
Putting salah into a team with those players IF available is not improving it IMO.
If Manes injured or not available he's a quaility replacement.
salah is quality but I feel we should be investigating heavily on positions that need serious improvement.


01 Jun 2017 17:55:45
Big Al, do not be surprised to see Coutinho move into midfield this coming season. Klopp mentioned the same thing which will see Salah out wide on the left. Mane and Salah can also play as inverted wingers. I guess having a left footed (Salah) and right footed (Mane) both with extreme pace and trickery will see us finally unlocking stubborn defences. Salah would need to sign first though ;-)


01 Jun 2017 18:06:55
@BigAl but that front 3 WONT play every game will it? That's the point!

Our best 11 can beat ANYONE we should that last year! What we need is a stronger group of 16 to make sure that:

1. We can last the whole season
2. Get through domestic cup games (this year was a disaster! )
3. Handle European football.


01 Jun 2017 18:17:51
And get past teams that park the bus Puzzled Red.


01 Jun 2017 18:54:56
Yeah sturridge and all that pace. Firmino pushed out wide to accomadate him. Nah thanks

Firmino
Salah mane
Coutinho
Lallana
Hendo
Rob lovren matip perieria
Karius.


01 Jun 2017 19:07:49
4-1-1-1-2-1?


01 Jun 2017 19:30:29
Clearly you not what i mean. All the spaces disaapeared lol

4-3-3.


01 Jun 2017 20:34:27
Sturridge will likely leave and if he doesn't, he will be on the bench.

We lack quality squad depth too and the same would have applied to Brandt as well.


01 Jun 2017 20:52:07
The real ag Sturridge starts if fit. He's a natural top top class striker.


01 Jun 2017 23:39:54
Whatever the formation, how the hell did Karius slip in there when nobody was looking?


01 Jun 2017 15:53:49
Edd002 do you expect cylne to be at the club next season mate? I'm forever hoping we improve that position this summer.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any efforts to sell him.}

01 Jun 2017 16:29:01
On Salah, I think he'd be a great signing. Honestly think if we had have gotten him last time, he'd have been sold by now. It was too early, he wasn't physically developed and relied too much on his pace. He has since matured, been coached really well and improved his all round game.

15 goals and 11 assists from the wing in Serie A is some going. For context, Dybala scored 11 and assisted 7. £34m would be a good deal in the current market.

For those saying the price is high, we paid £30m for Mane who has just had a great season scoring 13 goals/ 5 assists. How much would he be worth now?

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01 Jun 2017 17:03:28
It's hard to argue against him. He's been brilliant this year and teams have struggled to contain him, he's intelligent on the ball, he causes problems with his pace and skill, plus he has an end product. As you say, compare his output with Dybala and you have to say he's top class.


01 Jun 2017 21:42:57
Agree with you, think he will be a fantastic signing! but mane's price was more than that. think it was a bit higher than andy carrols price even if im not mistaking.


01 Jun 2017 16:07:56
Question for any of the Ed's, do you think Klopp will line up with a defensive midfielder next season and if so who will he use there. Is that a position he will look to strengthen or will he make do with what's already at the club. I only ask because we don't have a natural DM.

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{Ed025's Note - i would try emre can there myself chris..

01 Jun 2017 16:28:32
Klopp does not like to play with a natural DM, so why would be want one? The best option right now would be to keep Lucas as a squad player to fill the DM role from time to time against certain opposition.


{Ed025's Note - you have to be kidding me buzzer, lucas was not that good at his peak never mind now hes over the hill, just my view of course..

01 Jun 2017 16:29:22
I agree - Hendo and Can should be our choices deeper, Gini, Llalana, Grujic and Coutinho further forward.


01 Jun 2017 16:23:26
Maybe Ed, thanks, I'd like to hear Ed001s thoughts on this too.


{Ed001's Note - I expect Klopp to stick with the current formula of no dm and a deep lying playnaker. We do not really have anyone to play an out and out defensive midfielder role.}

01 Jun 2017 16:47:18
for once i find myself agreeing with ed25 here, emre can should be that player or developed into that player by the coaching staff. im concerned with hendos injury from what i've read about the type of injury it can not be totally healed but it can be managed which in my books means he is liable to turn into another sturridge spending loads of time on the treatment bench, but the main reason for can being my choice is that can seems the only leader (which seems to be developing more and more) in the midfield and we sorely need leaders in our team we are missing natural leaders. On a side note eds any word on his new contract should it be signed soon.


{Ed025's Note - klopp seems very confident he will sign a long term contract bruffio, but its not happened yet mate..

01 Jun 2017 17:59:29
Can is definitely the wrong choice there, for no other reason than because he is our only midfielder with the physical power to force his way through defences and has an absolute beast of a shot when he's in the right move. He needs to be able to push further forward when we are under pressure, not be stuck hunkering down in front of our CB's. He might be able to act as a deeper midfielder, but when you look at his best games in red you can see how much of a waste it is.


01 Jun 2017 19:13:12
I would keep Lucas all day long.

Nothing bitter or patronising ed 25, but his derby display proved how important he can be, and with a potentially busy season, and with him being the most experienced at the club, then Lucas must stay.

No brainer if we can give him good game time.


{Ed025's Note - once a season is not really good enough though davey, there is no room for sentiment if you want to win things mate..

01 Jun 2017 15:51:11
just because man city have spent big, does not mean any of there signings will be a big sucsess, for every hit there is a miss, coming on to Liverpool If we sign salah then let's hope he brings his roma form with him and also has worked through his issues that caused his last spell in England to be brief.

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01 Jun 2017 16:00:25
City are being investigated for signing a 15 year old player. Could spell big trouble for them if true.

That is why they are flashing the cash now before the window is even opened.


{Ed025's Note - they will just bribe UEFA and it will be sorted max.. :)

01 Jun 2017 16:16:28
I would be concerned if we signed Salah and i would be surprised if Salah wanted to play in England again.


01 Jun 2017 13:56:36
Am I right in thinking that signing Salah would likely spell the end of any hopes of signing Brandt?

Cheers in advance Eds, great work!

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{Ed002's Note - They play in different positions, but perhaps.}

01 Jun 2017 14:47:45
I'd be happy with either tbh. Salah is currently the better though and offers more pace so probably the better fit right now. But Brandt is going to have a very good future himself and I hope we go for him in the future if a key forward player from our team leaves.


01 Jun 2017 15:31:09
Wanted sane myself last summer.

So salah will do very nicely.

Be good to have a left footer in the ranks.

Also another wide pacey front man.

Garcia, berger, risse, god and barnes. just some of our best and most loved left footers 😉.


{Ed025's Note - i will give you robbie anj JB supermane as they were excellent players, but dont mention the other 3 in that same bracket mate..

01 Jun 2017 15:41:45
Klopps successful signings so far have been in their mid 20's, id much rather take salah as he presents the mature option, he seems to really have grown as a player.


01 Jun 2017 20:05:55
Best and most loved.

Riise was loved. Alan smith was never the same.

And garcia. 1 moment. 1 goal. Or was it 😉

Berger before my time. But 5 was better than 4.


01 Jun 2017 12:36:04
Hello Eds,
Posting after a long time. ..............

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{Ed002's Note - Sorry but I really don't want to go there as there is an impending court case.}

01 Jun 2017 14:21:58
Ed 001, is it yourself that is writing the end of season reviews for each team (really enjoying reading by the way) if so, having read your assessments Robertson and Tymon i assume that you wouldn't be over the moon with these signings? tbh wffrom what i have seen of them they have stood out in a poor hull side. (admittedly i have seen very little of Tymon)

you mentioned we would like 2 LB's one exprienced and one with good potential. with it looking like we have had to pull out of the sessegnon deal. is this still the plan?

no matter who is signed i will watch the games and form an opinion based on their performances for Liverpool. both Mane and Wijnaldum proved me wrong last season if he eventually signs i hope Robinson will do the same.

apprciate all you do and good luck through what must be a really long few months!

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{Ed001's Note - yes I am the one writing them and no I would not be keen on either signing. I particularly do not rate Robertson, who can't defend and his delivery was awful all season long. He is a lot like Clyne, with less athleticism but more height.

That plan is now looking dead and buried, as the club are just looking for the first choice left back only.}

01 Jun 2017 14:38:57
With all due respect to Robertson, if we sign him I'll be seriously disappointed. Robertson is the kind of player you target when you finish 5th and below. We made the UCL, we need to go hard after some proven calibre.


{Ed025's Note - i agree robin..

01 Jun 2017 14:52:30
I thought finishing in the top4 would boost the quality of players we target but Robertson? Why does the club keep shooting itself in the foot every time a window of opportunity comes up? Do Klopp and co not realise how tight the competition is going to be next season? Getting Salah would be a great start but finding the best possible fullbacks is equally important. Periera and Bertrand would be great imo and much better than what we have in the ranks right now. I shudder just thinking about Clyne and Robertson starting next season as our first choice fullbacks. Its like taking one step forward and 5 steps backwards after that, something LFC seem to love doing.


01 Jun 2017 15:40:11
Robertson is a worry, even if we do manage to sign a top centre back they will always look average if the fullbacks are Clyne and Roberston!


01 Jun 2017 15:54:20
Not to say that Liverpool are nailed on for Robertson or anything, but what would be the point? They may as well just keep Milner at left back for another season!

But if Liverpool come to a situation where they settle for Robertson, then serious questions need to be asked.


{Ed025's Note - you never know robin he could turn out to be a steal, trust in klopp mate..

01 Jun 2017 16:06:25
Ed025, expect that the club does not have the breathing space to experiment with an average player that has a small chance of being 'a steal' with all the competition next season. Anyone with a footballing brain can tell that Robertson is an average player. Just stick with Milner if Robertson's the best we can do. Klopp is not a magician, and certainly not a miracle worker from what I have sen so far. Just like all managers, he needs quality in the side to succeed. Players like Robertson are not going to get FSG the prize that they claim to crave so much (BPL title) .


{Ed025's Note - you say that buzzer but everton bought coleman for £60k from sligo and hes one of the best in the league so it can happen mate..

02 Jun 2017 14:03:23
Thanks Ed, really appreciate the response. i would agree that i would be disappointed with either signing. hopefully the club are just considering options. i only see the point in signing someone to improve the team/ squad significantly Tymon or Robinson would not do that.


{Ed001's Note - as I look on it, Klopp is the one who has to work with them, so if he sees something in them, then I will give him the benefit of the doubt. He has built his reputation out of getting in players others didn't think were good enough and making them better. Klopp develops players to play the way he wants them to, rather than buys finished products and tries to fit them into a team.}

01 Jun 2017 14:13:20
All this talk of Salah and the AFCON has got me a little perplexed.

So what if we lose an extra player for a few weeks once every couple of years?

We just change our system a little to make the best out of the players we have.

If we can't play Mane and Salah we play Sturridge and Origi instead. Or Lallana, or Gini, or Henderson or Can or Woodburn or Ojo or Wilson or Ings or Ejaria.

We have enough players to be able to cope with missing 2 for a few weeks. Just change up the system a little bit our play to our strengths as they are at the point of picking the team.

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01 Jun 2017 15:07:03
We fell apart once Mane left us and Matip could not play due to international issues, S.


01 Jun 2017 15:30:27
If we fall apart when one player leaves then the problem is not the AFCON.


01 Jun 2017 16:36:20
Your right the AFCON isn't necessarily the problem.

But a key part of our game play is to have players that are dangerous at running behind. When Mane left for the AFCON so did that part of our game and the players that you mentioned didn't step up to fill that gap. Therefore teams could sit back and not really worry as there was no forward movement.

I'll be happy with Salah but I'd be happier if there was cover for those times where they where away on international duty.

It's whether Klopp has got plan b in the future. This season we didn't.


01 Jun 2017 18:04:25
The problem is we are losing both of what surely will be our starting wingers. If he played in another position then sure but to lose 2 first choice players (and the best like for like replacements) is a blow at any point, never mind as a regular, unavoidable occurrence.


01 Jun 2017 13:34:53
Hi Eds what is your opinion of Peter Moore? Saw an article regarding him today and he seemed to make sense with what he was saying and be pretty savvy. Will he be able to steer the club in the right direction financially in your opinion and be as important an acquisition as some of our players on the pitch are?

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{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry, don't know him.}

01 Jun 2017 13:37:19
I have to say if we sell Sakho as planned and then do not replace him, we have without question WEAKENED our team.

We would all agree Klavan is not as good as Sakho.

So in a year where we need to improve our defence, would weakening our squad at centre back and replacing Milner with Robertson fix that?

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{Ed025's Note - no puzzled..

01 Jun 2017 13:55:01
Ed25, it's a strange one really.

I'm genuinely interested to hear posters' views on this though.


{Ed025's Note - so am i mate..

01 Jun 2017 14:11:54
Well sakho hasn't played in a season for us so how would losing him weaken us? If he's not available next season it's the exact same position as this season so how could we be weaker than this season? We will have one less saleable asset for sure but we will have cashed in on it when his stock is probably at its peak. If we'd had sold him last season it'd of been 10-15m this season it'll be around 25-30m so were better off.


01 Jun 2017 14:15:48
Jesus Christ, the season has only just finished!


01 Jun 2017 14:21:18
Even my Scottish mates who've seen plenty of Robertson are telling me he's not good enough for Liverpool and would barely be an upgrade on Moreno. Personally, assuming Mendy is out of reach, of the remaining options I'd like Gaya and Tierney. That would sort the position for years to come.


01 Jun 2017 14:31:39
Completely agree with you, Puzzled. But I'm optimistically hoping that Klopp and his team have a plan to strengthen that we haven't yet heard about.


01 Jun 2017 14:33:21
Theoretically, selling Sakho does weaken the defense. But practically, it doesn't, because at the end of last summer Klopp had already decided Sakho was out of the team and hurriedly went out and bought Klavan. And with Klavan being no match for Sakho, we're basically at the same place as the end of last summer. As far as the Robertson rumours are concerned, I would simply advise some patience and some faith in Klopp. He's no fool, has far more money to spend than before, and will eventually deliver because the pressure to do so is only increasing. Maybe Robertson is penciled in as the backup to the main LB target he has in mind?


01 Jun 2017 14:57:48
Selling Sakho wouldn't weaken a team that he's already absent from, but bringing him back in would strengthen it.


{Ed025's Note - thats not happening TQ..

01 Jun 2017 15:10:31
I know, mate. Just contributing the hypothetical argument.


01 Jun 2017 12:42:54
Just to ease a few concerns people have about the possible arrival of Salah, and what it means for Mane. It keeps getting mentioned that were signing a player for the right when we need one for the left. Firstly Salah does mostly play from the right, but the same can only be said about Mane this season. (Sort of) Although Mane starts from the right he's often exploiting gaps in the centre. Our front three is fluid, with Coutinho often creating coming in from the left and Firmino dropping deep and running the channels when necessary. Now although Mane has started from the right this season, he has arguably spent more time on the left in his club career. At Salzburg he played on the left for most of his time there, they had Kampl on the right. At Southampton Mane played all three top positions. I also remember a pre season game where Mane played left wing for us and linked up excellently with Moreno throughout the game. Perhaps this was something Klopp was looking at and believes he can get the same impact from him. Remember he saw Wijnaldum as someone who could play Cm which surprised a lot of people, me included. Sorry for the long post and hopefully I didn't come across as condescending as that wasn't my intention. Just trying to ease a few fears.

Cheers.

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{Ed025's Note - good post that rookie..

01 Jun 2017 13:24:43
Nice one Rookie - Salah will add further quality and versatility to our attack no doubts. Let's see if he signs.


01 Jun 2017 13:45:51
He might have the quality, but I am not keen on the fact they will both be away for African Cup of nations. We saw that contribute (along with other things) to a performance drop this year need other options.


01 Jun 2017 13:46:43
This dude has been one of the best players last year in serie a last season. Excellent signing if it happens.


01 Jun 2017 13:47:02
Cheers lads. In for a busy summer, that much is certain.


01 Jun 2017 13:55:10
Totally agree with the original post, maybe mane was kept right side as coutinho can only play centre/ left or deeper to come inside on his strong foot to shoot. As shown later season they are planning on dropping coutinho in deeper so mane could push into a fluid 3 with firmino/ Salah or Brandt or who ever we manage to sign.


01 Jun 2017 13:55:44
Ed002, Ed001 in fact any eds can you put an end to this Salah madness please and confirm we have zero interest in him. Please.


{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure that it is true.}

01 Jun 2017 14:54:37
Lol. Meaning not sure we do have interest or we dont? Sorry mate not clear, unlesd its me.


01 Jun 2017 21:20:34
Mate you asked for confirmation we have zero interest and ed said he is not sure its true, not sure what you need further from him.


{Ed025's Note - reports are saying liverpool are in advanced talks IAC but as ED002 has said nothing is confirmed yet mate..

01 Jun 2017 11:59:04
The team to avoid in the qualifying stages of the UCL is Hoffenheim. But I'm sure we'll blow them out of the water, if we do draw them. (Yeah, contradictory statement I know, but this is what happens to your brain after reading these pages, daily) .

On a side note, it will be nice to welcome Mr. Balotelli back to Anfield, if we draw Nice. Curious what antics he'll have on view, if he scores.

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{Ed025's Note - there will be fireworks thats for sure ra.. :)

01 Jun 2017 12:10:14
I'm crossing my fingers for AEK, but that's only because I live in Athens! :D.


01 Jun 2017 12:16:44
For sure, Ed025. I hope our boys have a nice welcome "initiation" back to Anfield, for him. It'd be nice to test if he has a "no red card" bonus with Nice, as well.


01 Jun 2017 12:42:22
When is the draw taking place?


{Ed025's Note - 4th of august mate..

01 Jun 2017 13:25:35
Thanks ed.


{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..

01 Jun 2017 11:14:14
Does the transfer window ever remind anyone of a drum full of water. drop in the slightest pebble and the ripples spread out of control, and then just when you think they've died down, an echo returns to kick things off all over again.

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01 Jun 2017 12:22:29
Actually it reminds me of a bucket full of crabs, all in a mad frenzy, trying to climb over each other and out of the bucket, and into another one. (One man's zen is another man's complete chaos ;-) ) .


{Ed025's Note - talking of crabs...do you think clyne, lovren and klavan will stay?.. :)

01 Jun 2017 13:12:02
I wouldn't mind if Clyne and Klavan left, as long as they were replaced with better players, Ed025. I don't quite share most people's misgivings about Lovren, though. Sure, he has his howlers and bad days but I don't think he is as bad as all that. It's all quite relative. Coutinho misses a sitter in front of goal and it's brushed off. Lovren misses a clearance in front of goal and it's the headline the next day. Let's see if the new contract raises his confidence levels and he has a better season in 17/ 18.


{Ed025's Note - well it will certainly raise his bank balance ra..

01 Jun 2017 13:47:46
I also don't mind Lovren with Matip but worry more about Klavan and Gomez if either get injured.


03 Jun 2017 20:29:17
What are you on about re lovren? Take time next season to just watch him, he's truly shocking, charging out from the back to win a header (and failing) near the centre circle leaving a gaping chasm in the centre of the defence, ball watching constantly getting caught the wrong side constantly, I'd rather have skrtel back and that's saying something.


01 Jun 2017 11:11:34
Despite the talk of backing our manager we must get realistic who we can bring in to strengthen the team.
We must forget about player like Mendy and VVD with city and Chelsea sniffing
Salad seems more realistic and I can see us going back in for chilwell.
If we can get one over the rest it would be
Keita and Periera coming in.
There maybe a few other come in but will depends on who leaves.

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01 Jun 2017 11:21:25
You don't make friends with salad!


01 Jun 2017 11:30:49
I have never been a fan of salad, although it breaks my mother's heart. I have always been more of a chips man myself

I'll show myself out

Red Sandman.


{Ed025's Note - curried beef with fried rice man myself sandman...with a diet coke of course.. :)

01 Jun 2017 13:11:55
diet coke, what a mug.


{Ed025's Note - you have to watch the calories SBM.. :)

01 Jun 2017 13:48:54
15 beers, Kebab and chips, then the Diet Coke ;)


{Ed025's Note - the diet coke negates all the calories that you have eaten zimbo, i read it in a book mate.. :)

01 Jun 2017 15:30:20
Ed25 drinks diet coke, tells you everything about the blue side of liverpool.


{Ed025's Note - you have to look after your body RTID, us blues are mainly merseysiders and its in our nature to look good, most liverpool fans on the other hand eat fondu and travel around fjords on boats.. :)

01 Jun 2017 15:55:45
I love fondu.


{Ed025's Note - its part of a liverpudlians staple diet RTID.. :)

01 Jun 2017 16:15:38
Most responses I've ever had but does look like we're in for salad.


{Ed025's Note - whats tomato with that, lettuce know if you think he will stick a few in the onion bag or if hes as cool as a cucumber, i hope his celery is not too high and the crowd egg him on.. :)

01 Jun 2017 20:26:35
Ed025, I tip my hat to you.
Diet coke? Excellent drain cleaner, it's the phosphoric acid.
I'm quite happy with 'Salad' if we actually the shopping done, so to speak.


{Ed025's Note - i believe the goods are already in the basket andy, you just need to proceed to the checkout now mate..

01 Jun 2017 11:08:02
Now, with the new season all but a couple of weeks away, myself, like many of the other posters on here, am continuing to flap at the snail like approach to our transfer dealings, as our negativity and lack of confirmation of big-money signings really worries me.

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01 Jun 2017 11:15:12
You may want to check the date Davey. We've got 10 weeks until the first prem game and 12 until the transfer window closes.

Chill out mate. Only city have come out the blocks sprinting spending silly money.


01 Jun 2017 12:03:55
think davey may have been being sarcastic toon.


01 Jun 2017 12:35:28
Ha! A little slow today STe.


01 Jun 2017 13:08:23
Cheers Ste.


01 Jun 2017 09:18:01
So signing British players from clubs below us is a bad thing. But throwing 50M plus at players from foreign clubs that have had one good season is a good thing?

The club they come from is irrelevant. Half these 'big' foreign clubs would probably be where hull are now if they played in England.

Try to be a LITTLE bit intelligent. Christ.

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01 Jun 2017 10:28:24
Why not go the whole hog and get dyer and britton from swansea, george boyd from burnley ans tyler blackett from reading.

Oh a rb aswel what about alan hutton?


01 Jun 2017 11:22:47
Supermane96

Hahahaha😂😂.


01 Jun 2017 11:46:14
People need to get it in their heads that there boatloads of money in the game.
Concept of 'market value' completely shattered. It's now no-sense aplenty.

Clubs will spend big money this and many more windows to come.
Liverpool will be no different.
People will be shocked when LFC DOES pay some £50m for one player this window.

A poster on here said that £50m is like yesterday's £25m.
You only have to look at fees commanded by Sissoko, Bolasie, Ibe, Pgba, Wijnaldum (who's been a good signing by the way) .

You look at reported figures offered for Mbappe.
How much would Cristiano Rinaldo, pre-LFC Torres, pre-LFC Suarez have cost in today's terms?
Folk would probably have been against buying Suarez and Torres citing the asking fees.

It's what it is folks.
And your Man Citys not shelling out top dollar for fun. It's about going up that next level. strengthening competitiveness. aiming for that Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Juve level.

And we are like the 4th best team in the EPL. yet folk want us to still go for top 4 players.
Chelsea, City, Spurs. all better than u already. will significantly bolster their ranks to even higher levels. As wil United. who I expect to fully be in the mix for the title next season.

Klopp obviously realizes this. hence wanting to significantly bolster his own ranks. Yet some arw complaining.

It's fine then. Let's go get Demarai Gray, Chamberlain, Robertson and Keane and that's our summer. ready to compete. Total of about £100m spent. We make profit. Bet ya'll be thrilled.


01 Jun 2017 12:25:12
But its not though lad.

Good scouting has gone down the rubbish pan.

2 years ago for 4 mil one of europes best cms was brought to the premier league.

Teans like city are just insane, thier paying whay they are because of there prwvious insane signings.

50 mil stones and sterling. Jesus.

At th3 same time they could of had mane and matio for about 40 mil. We showed good scouting there.

Tottenham wanyama and united pogba. 90 mil difference. Who had the better srason.

The players are still out there. Otherwise like i said in a previous post dortmund, tottenham, ajax, nice, monaco, atheltico, bilboa, sevilla, leicster, porto, benfica. may aswel all throw in th3 hat. Or is every single one more succesful than us over th3 past 3 seasons

Vvd and keita are not 50 mil pound players.


01 Jun 2017 13:23:08
For Demarai Gray, Chamberlain, Robertson and Keane, read Cheyrou, Diouf, Diao.

Fact is that we have a weak spine to the team. We are weak at centre back, weak in centre midfield and we have no reliable 20 goals a season striker. Not even mentioning our full back issues. We are over stocked in the number 10 type players and aside from Mane, we lack serious pace. Signing the likes of Gray, Chamberlain and Keane is preparing to fail by signing players who simply aren't good enough at the highest level.


03 Jun 2017 20:28:37
Exactly shanks.

But is vvd the 50 million pound answer to our problems. he's probably the cause of most of the goals southampton concede.

We also already have a ball playing cb in matio, we now need a hard as feck cb next to him. A carragher if you will.

Gibson is the one for me. Exactly the opposite of matip which us what we need.


01 Jun 2017 09:00:14
Hello Ed's Quick question, what was the issue with going for an alternative to Ben Chiwel in the previous window. The reason i ask is to try and understand the thinking of those in charge especially as it concerns missing their main targets.

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{Ed001's Note - the scouts had not identified any available options. For instance Mendy was not going to be allowed to leave Monaco last summer, so no point considering him. Sessegnon had not emerged. Hull had just got promoted and were in the midst of a takeover, so it was very difficult to find anyone to speak to with regards Robertson and so on.}

01 Jun 2017 10:14:53
Would you say ed that mendy is unlikely? I would love to sign him.


{Ed001's Note - yrs.}

01 Jun 2017 10:33:18
We are better set this time ed though?


{Ed001's Note - yes mate. There are many more options available this summer, for starters.}

01 Jun 2017 14:37:42
Thanks Ed1. Please if you were to cast blame on any one arm (scouts, manager, ceo, board, etc) for missed talents who should bear the brunt of the blame?


{Ed001's Note - everyone involved has to take the blame. It always starts at the top though.}

01 Jun 2017 07:11:34
Graham Kelly says VVD is done.

Paul Joyce says he's off to City.

So if we don't get him would you be happy with either of these instead:

Aymeric Laporte
Jonathon Tah.

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01 Jun 2017 08:12:22
No thanks to VVD. 50 million is just too much for a player that coasts through games most of the time. Remember Glen Johnson? Had all the ability in the world but awareness and work rate was terrible. Same goes for VVD. Physical attributes can only get u so far. Application is what matters the most.


01 Jun 2017 08:46:43
Sakho is far better than VVD. If only.


01 Jun 2017 09:17:40
@Redal I genuinely believe he is!


01 Jun 2017 09:54:35
This Graeme Kelly guy is very adamant that he's off to Liverpool. he got it right when he said that Rodgers would be sacked after the Everton derby.


01 Jun 2017 10:42:53
My personal choice would be to keep Sakho but sadly Klopp wants him gone!


01 Jun 2017 10:52:10
Stevie wonder could see Rodgers would be sacked after that derby!


01 Jun 2017 12:20:24
Yeah and even Stevie Wonder can look at things with hindsight.


03 Jun 2017 20:04:59
Forget all of these rumours about big money signings, they won't be happening. It will be mid level signings on mid to low level wages, what do none of you understand about the statement "we admire the arsenal business model"? Read what new chief executive Peter Moore has said in his first day in the job. He's already regurgitating the FSG mantra.


01 Jun 2017 06:48:52
Morning all

Christ were has all this Salah stuff come from? Fabrication. Eds has not mentioned him at all. Brandt is the winger we are after.

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01 Jun 2017 06:43:17
Is Mo Salah that good? I haven't seen that much of him but have seen plenty of missed chances wile at roma on the highlights. Add to that the fact he didn't settle in England last time im not too sure about this move. I was quietly optimistic about the mane rumours last year but not this one. I hope I'm proved wrong.
Please someone chip in with something encouraging about Salah for me.

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01 Jun 2017 09:19:43
1. Double figures for both goals and assists last season

2. Arguably the best winger in the serie a last year

3. Still fairly young at 24

4. Wouldn't cost the earth.


 
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