Liverpool Banter Archive November 01 2012
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01 Nov 2012 23:26:05
The sooner u dumb folks start supporting rodgers the better...cry all you want he isn't going nowhere..dalglish even had a better squad than rodgers has right now..and you still expect some miracle to happen and we start competing with spurs,united,chelsea for top 4..I don't get it at times what you peole expect from this team..some fools keep talking about maxi,kuyt,bellamy those guys went on their own nobody forced them out...I see carroll is scoring every week for westham rite??I don't know how you wnat him to compete with this squad in all competitions effectively..cos rodgers is a fantastic speaker doesn't mean u folks don't face reality that our squad isn't good enough right now..so because our second team lost to swansea all of a sudden we are terrible again..u folks need to get a grip..our first 11 is not that good..what do you expect of our other team to be like..a very sensible fan would expect a top 7 finish..but still have the hope of top 4..most of you are just hypocrites..and kenny loyalist.,no manager deserves to spend that kind of money without the team improving and still keep his job..
So true
M-H
Mate I Totally agree with you. I still fell most of the posters on this iste dont even watch the game just the highlights and come to condemn the team. I will be happy for a top 7 finish and not finishing 6-8 point behind the 4th place and a good run in the any cup. Rodger is the best choice we have now, Mourinho,Capello Huddink ,klopp wont come to us. we are playing better football we did buy well in the summer and the youth looks good and getting games what else do u want. Look at spurs they had a better team a better manager( at least on CV) and 6 strikers even then they are out of the cup and not doing much much better than us
Red 316
Seems to me that some persons on this site pray for us to lose just so they can slate Rodgers, some right tools out there who call themselves supporters
JJ
People said Hodgson was going nowhere.
People said King Kenny was going nowhere.
Results will decide Brendan's fate. If FSG will sack the number 1 LFC legend, they will soon sack laughing boy Bren.
01 Nov 2012 23:22:18
i'm just wondering why there is such pessimism on this site today. when we won the same competition last season a lot of you said so what? anyway.
i also don't see why people are slating rodgers either, we were always going to struggle for a top 4 finish this season, particularly after failure to sign a striker in january, however if in the next 2 windows we can spend wisely, keep our top players and not sack our manager then 4th is very much realistic next season.
looking at our squad you can actually see that we are only 3 or 4 players short of a title challenge.
In goals we have Reina and Jones, granted neither are considered world class however reina with the right trainer can maybe again reach the heights he was at 2-3 seasons ago.
We have a defence capable of winning a title, however we can improve in left back but i know robbo will grow into that world class left back we need. Skrtel and Agger's record speaks for itself whilst coates is a more than able backup with carragher there for experience. At right back we are spoilt, Johnson is capable of giving good displays at either fullback position, in my view he is a better leftback. Kelly and Wisdom are capable of becoming world class, whilst flanno is always a good backup.
In midfield we have allen, lucas, gerrard, shelvey, hendo (not including sahin as he is on loan), suso can play there but he will have to work on the physical aspect of his game. now considering a midfield with carrick in it can win a title we will be okay.
Now up top we are very light, suarez is world class, if he could finish we would have our own messi. we also have borini who i have a feeling will come good. yesil, morgan, sinclair and n'goo are almost ready however it will realistically be about 4 seasons before any of them become top players. on the flanks we have sterling, assaidi, downing, suso and soon jordan ibe perhaps sinclair also, but they need time.
all in all i think we are a : GK, LB, DM, ST and Winger away from a title challenge.
Pessimism? Hmm let me see......
Could it be a home record of played 10 won 3 drawn 3 and lost 4?
5 points from 5 home league games?
A worse record than Roy Hodgson?
Humiliated at home by a mid table team who by our own "manager's" admission are a better team?
An unwillingness to change? Surrendering the only trophy we hold or have held for 7 seasons?
It could be....
Couldn't agree more.
I mean, we won the Champions League with Djimi Traore ffs!
People need to wind themselves in, quit whining and get behind the club.
The Squirrel
01 Nov 2012 23:01:16
Question . Why do we only have one striker?
Answer. Because BR let bellers kuyt and Andy go.
That's a fact.
In my opinion if BR does not have at least 30M plus what comes in for players sold then fenway are no better than hicks and Gillette .
Money was wasted by kenny 75m on Andy downing.and Henderson makes me cringe. But ALMOST 70m came in for torres meirles and babal . This we must no forget.
What we need is experince as we have enough good youth.
Football is simply. It only becomes compliacted when owners implement a system that worked in a stupid sport Called baseball.
WE CAN SPEND IN JAN AND HAVE A CHANCE TO BECOME GREAT AGAIN OR WE CAN BECOME A CLUB LIKE STOKE EVERYONE
Leave the running of the club up to the experts. Those who understand the books. Those that know an infinite amount more than you.
Why did BR let Bellers, Kuyt and Carroll go? Well, first of all, Bellers couldn't play more than 2 consecutive games. Kuyt had a poor season last year and, like many of those that were cleared out, didn't warrant his salary.
As for Carroll, expensive bench warmer. I do believe that Carroll potentially had a roll during a transition period but beyond that, no. However, it turns out that Carroll was due to be an early exit during the transition and replaced by Dempsey. I think all that was beyond BRs control...
01 Nov 2012 22:36:35
A lost game and the morbid platoon are out in force...! A lot of people are slated for playing too much football manager and FIFA but I think a lot of you moaning, boring knee jerkers should just play that instead of pouring your 'same old, same old' out of your pie holes...
Yawning...
Myk
A 3-1 defeat at home is not some thing to be happy about and its not a micky mouse cup is it ,oh sorry only when we do not win it , support the team but be realistic. red mick tag.
01 Nov 2012 22:22:13
another bad night nd to be honest can't really blame BR as he needs time nd we as fans are running bit impatient. ..kd was given over 100 mill nd squad was much better..with number of experienced player like kuyt. .bellamy nd maxi leaving nd Carroll going on loan nd Adam shipped out squad is indeed thin nd I'm sure BR is keen not to buy players for sake of it...Ppretty much ever single buy from Kenny bar Suarez nd Shelvey has been poor investment ...I did say at start of season...I'm ready to right off one season for future nd we must believe in BR nd give him time..it's frustrating as fan as Liverpool has never been that bad but with Liverpool always relaying on buying players nd other rich oowners like Chelsea nd mama city nd spurs spending big it was bound to happen..academy is looking good nd 3-4 good singing nd replacing some rubbish like Cole nd downing we will be fine in Jan...it's easy to see BR was let down by Ian ayre in transfer window nd I think BR too it to chin nd targets are well identified in advance.. it will take time nd as fans we must accept nd get behind team..lets hope we get 3 against Newcastle nd carry on progress....
harry oldbury
Didnt kenny get sterling? pretty good investment if you ask me
Rodgers style is totally different from that of Kenny and players bought by Kenny were never going to fit Rodgers style
The owners should have realised this and known they could not afford Rodgers and his nightmare
Players bought by Kenny are hardly given a chance under Rodgers
Fair is fair mate
"The owners should have realised this and known they could not afford Rodgers and his nightmare"
Very silly post.
Do you really think that the owners (and advisors) are that daft? I'm sure the BR told them exactly what he wanted and needed! A manager wants his job to be easy. It was be very foolish of BR to take the job knowing that he was going to completely overhaul the squad without any financial guarantees from the owners.
Now, can those that seem to think that they have all the answers go elsewhere?
Shelvey and Sterling were Benitez signings.
McB
Obviously not that silly
Since we are living out BR and his nightmare
And the owners have proven time and time again that they know nothing of football
Maybe its you who needs to re-think?
Just saying!
Rodgers's style is different to kenny's
style,are you having a laugh mate did
you not see the performance at CRAVEN
COTTAGE against FULHAM were we
pass and moved them into the ground
remember 5-2 I have seen nothing in
the RODGER'S era that has come close
to that,all RODGER'S want's to do is
pass for passing's sake,at ANFIELD last
year most goalkeeper's were getting
MOTM performance's,you have to have
shot's at goal to do that BRENDA........
auntie annie......
01 Nov 2012 21:59:01
if fsg are about youth and finding fresh young talent they should put the package together to fund a deal for "damiao", this kid would certantly set the prem alight and give us, the mighty reds that elusive striker we crave. go get him no matter the cost.
cheggerbalofski
01 Nov 2012 21:30:11
Everyone is saying its not br's fault it's the owners fault but he's the one who come in and said he wants full control of the club no managing directors, he also wanted to rebuild the squad so he got rid of the players not fsg. Personally I think he is out of his depth with Liverpool there was no expectations at Swansea which means no pressure! Liverpool is just totally a different club with different expectations which are too big for br! What do you think ed?
Eddie T {Ed001's Note - disagree completely, I think he just needs time.}
01 Nov 2012 23:09:13
Ed1 mate can you tell me which manager in top club was afforded time in recent seasons when results were being disaster. {Ed001's Note - and what has that got to do with anything? The one that has though, well that would Fergie.}
Sorry Eddie but thats a load of old tosh. FSG, quite rightly decided to clear some deadwood, players beyond their peak on high wages and players who clearly weren't up to standard, (for the record they still have a few more to get rid of in my opinion).
In doing so they reduced the wage bill considerably, and whilst i understand the lack of CL football means that a huge hit to the funding, FSG and JWH in particular know you have to speculate to accumulate (for Christ sake i used to trade futures on behalf of JWH's fund, so i know that taking a gamble is exactly how they operated there). However, they are being very thrifty with the way they are operating the club. You can't get rid of Bellamy, Kuyt and push Carroll out, only replacing with a relatively unproven Borini. I think Borini will come good in the end, but the fact remains its a long hard season and to only go into it with 2 recognised strikers, was a huge disaster waiting to happen.
I like the way BR is taking the club but there is only so much he can do if the owners don't fund the players we so clearly need. On the plus side i believe last night will have been Joe Cole's final opportunity for the 1st team, if we hear of any club interested i suggest we start a whip round to pay for his cab there. Carra made some great challenge's last night however he is clearly off the pace of the premiership and he must by now know that. The youngster's coming through is a huge bonus and will in the long term save a huge amount of money, but hopefully FSG realize that it's crucial to dig deep and get a top class finisher in asap, before its too late.
ChrisE
To some extent Moyes and Wenger
Well said Ed people forget it took Fergie years to win anything and look what they have won by giving him time. I do see similarities Fergie had a great crop of youngsters come through which he groomed and they went on to win everything. BR needs time to get the players he wants and to bring through the talented youngsters we have.
Exactly Ed001, that would certainly be Fergie. Give the guy time and all will be well .
02 Nov 2012 00:34:51
Ed1 mate the reason why I asked coz lots of fans and eds say he needs time the reality is no manager has been afforded time in recent seasons or modern footy. No manager is going to stay long as fergie or wenger coz those times were different and pressure was not too much compare to now. Media is getting bigger and bigger. Fans can express their views from different anagles compare to those time. And one of the sad thing in thise country is when liverpool loses all media rag walk through us. It won't take time before they turn on Rodgers as problems has already started with refrees association . {Ed001's Note - then our job as supporters is to support, instead of turning on each other all the time.}
Rodgers does not need time
What he needs is to complete a UB40 Form
Fergie got to be manager etc at the right time , ok he had a bad start but once sky got involved man u monopolised the premiership and they and arsenal where very good but then along came the guys with money who have made it difficult for man u , but man u have 22 years of success in the sky league which has given them the momentom to keep going , it is hard for any one now to get in there unless they have mega money , we might if we stop wasting millions in a desperate attempt to be there, better to be cautious and think before we strangle ourselves with 35million pound , 20million pound flops etc . red mick tag
More than time, Rodgers needs our support. People who think he is not good enough should buy the blue shirt of chelski or citeh.
Indian Buzzer
Hope your not comparing br with fergusan hed won everything in scotland and proved he could manage {Ed001's Note - not really, he proved he could manage when he had lots to spend. Aberdeen, at the time, were awash with North Sea oil money and he was given, for the Scottish league at the time, a very large budget. I would dispute that he proved anything, especially considering just how disastrous his time as stand in Scotland manager was.}
01 Nov 2012 21:26:31
Was at the game last night.
In summary, Joe Cole has to go. Rodgers has slated him today so believe its only a matter of time before he's gone.
Stuart Downing was awful last night. Offers the team nothing. Has dropped down the pecking order and he is another one facing the boot out of the club in one of the next windows.
Jordan Henderson was played out of position and was poor at best. He is a utility player and another who will be shipped out at the first opportunity.
Carroll and Spearing to be sold at the end of season.
These players need to be replaced by either world class players or players that have the potential to be world class. Rodgers has said his squad is wafer thin so expect more purchases then sales.
RedRocket
Don't disagree with most of your post apart from replacing the outgoings with world class players - world class players want to play in Europe (normally the champs league), would cost a high transfer fee and high wages.....
Can't see it happening for those 3 reasons - don't get me wrong I'd love to see 5 nre world class players but cant see it happening myself.
Hoola
I didnt see the whole game because the site i was streaming crashed but was downing that bad? at the very least he was working the keeper with some of his long shots.
Not sure there is a team out there with 5 world class players, Barca maybe
The highlights made it look that way, but downing was awful. He had a couple of long range shots but was never going to score from that far out. Wasted all his crosses, couldn't get passed his man and pretty much missed an open goal when Gerard hit the post.
RedRocket
01 Nov 2012 21:21:31
Last nights result was quite predictable...big scalp for Swansea, players wanting to put one over the old manager rah rah rah....however im concerned with the owners to be honest...whilst there was money to spend on Allen and Borini £28m plus for the two I am worried that we are not able to attract the cream of european football...We wont ever sign a Torres type player again...the reason being is that we are/will be so far behind the top clubs that players wont even want to talk to us let alone join...apparently we were £3m short for Dempsey...Spurs paid it..no worries. £35m investment loaned out with only one striker and he will have 12/15 games without a goal during the season...question is, Where do we want to be and where are we going? Im not here to be shot down im just genuinely worried for my club!
01 Nov 2012 20:47:23
Hi all,
After a long self induced sabbatical, i felt compelled to write in. I shall try to keep it short.
Usually i am a glass half full kind of guy and always attempt to see the positives, however over the summer something rather peculiar happened to me.
My rose tinted glass prescription needed changing so i dropped them off end of August with the promise i'd get a replacement before September. Nothing arrived and i was asked to get on without the obvious need of rose tinted glasses.
I posted my dis-belief in the summer when we appointed Rodgers. Everything up until now has done nothing but confirm my belief that this man is nothing but a younger version of Roy Hodgson.
The summer transfer window was nothing short of a debacle and the glorious mantra of 'we want CL' coming out of the mouths of FSG were, quite frankly a joke. Reducing wage bills etc i get, getting rid of dead wood i get. Farming out 11 players and bringing in Borini, Allen, Assaidi is not a CL war cry.
In a nutshell, i am extremely disillusioned with the whole set up. I feel FSG after 2 years are either in it for the money or are just so incompetent it isnt funny. Blunder after blunder after blunder.
Currently we are only as good as our last game. We were just totally outplayed by an average mid table team at our own 'fortress.' 3-1 flattered us.
That tells me all i needed to know. KD was sacked as 8th, cup winners and cup runners up wasn't deemed acceptable for a club of our standards.
So by FSG strange quirky thinking, mid table, no cup runs is progress the following season?
Of course it is. We're at the start of a 5 year plan. Sorry heard this rubbish before. We were at the start 2 years ago, 12 months ago and again now.
Wouldnt accept this standard in any other environment, so why should i accept this crap i'm having to suffer? Having gone through the Souness era as if it were a bloody nightmare, i find myself in the same God damn place. Same crap, different players, different owners, different manager, same outcomes.
Can you hear that on the horizon? That's the last call because we are at the crossroads. Just one turn takes us into sleeping giant land, the other ridiculed by all laughing at a fallen giant.
Bob the Red
I think it is plain for anyone who follows the PL that Liverpool are a spent force, and have been for 4 years. Rebuilding process, yes. However, the end product will be a competitive team (ala Everton) on a limited budget. That would be a 'success' financially, albeit never contenders again.
Well said Bob and its been too long since you posted. I assumed you went over to the dark side ( an editor). I said at yhe time and have said since that there is nothing in Rodgers Cv to warrarnt him getting such a massive job. Now if you do speak up your a moan or not loyal. More than likely the sameposters that wanted Kenny out. Rodgers can definately talk a good game but i have yet to see any evidence of him being up to the job.
The Irish Rover
Sorry Bob I just don't see the same scenario playing out as you.
Rodgers is totally different to Hodgson as evidenced by mostly his Swansea team out footballing us at Anfield. Your point about Swansea actually shows Rodgers to be a good coach.
The owners want CL football as every club does but can't or don't want to spend huge sums as frequently as some other clubs can mostly in respect of wages. I see that as looking after the longer term interests of your club making sure you have a team to watch in 5, 10 or 20 years time and don't end up like Leeds, Rangers and no doubt others to come. If you accept the above then a long term strategy is the only way to achieve better results than our financial clout can demand by spending alone.
The fact that FSG are picking up the tab for 50m losses year on year surely tells you they are not in it for the money. But yes they have some lessons to learn and they have learnt the hard way.
Dalgish was not sacked because of the league position and the cup runs being not good enough but rather that his handling of key non footballing situations such as Suarez/Evra, the media in general and offering value in the transfer market was not showing the club in the best light and allowing us to move forward with their strategy for bringing in off field investment delaying the whole project.
Sometimes if owners, players, managers etc change but we still feel the same, the problem is how we feel and what we expect. As a broader fan base, if we can accept where we are and support the club as a whole as it tries to move forward, we'll be far better off working together than pulling in different directions. It's not about stopping people from having their views but more about the damage it does to the club to have openly critical followers of the club sharing their views in public and it not having a chance helping us get out of our current situation.
Another change of manager and/or owners will only destabilise the club further and take us further away from where we all want to be.
Simon
Welcome back Bob the Red. I have always enjoyed your posts but have to disagree with you here. Our 5 year plan happened 2 years ago when we were saved by FSG. We're in year 3 and I think we can be relevant in the next 2 years. BR got sold short in the summer. The Andy loan, the Dempsey debacle and not having a plan B was by all accounts brutal. What we need is a DOF(more so than a striker) two strikers and a Defensive midfield player to cover for Lucas. We also need to get some luck in the injury department and may i say the refereeing department. Apart from that, I don't know how you can compare BR to Roy Hodgson. I get that he's not abundant with big club experience but every manager has to start somewhere and even then they may not be cut out for the big stage. Owen Coyle was hot property 2 seasons ago and is now unemployed. AVB got shunted last year and booed this year by the spudz and only recently got a few good results to jump up to 4th. RDM had no big club management but won 2 big competitions last season. Ed001 eluded to this season being one to blood and get things in place, and I agree that this is the year we build the foundation for the Suso, Sterling, Wisdom and Saurez teams of the future. Lucas Shelvey, Allen Agger, Skrtle Kelly, Sama, Robinson, Yesil, Ibe, Assaidi, Sinclair, McLoughlin, Morgan etc can all be here for a while. I know we have enough talent coming through for you to have your glass to be 1/2 full. We need positive support now like never before. I hope we can go on a 10 game unbeaten run and get some positive momentum going.
Chi-Paul
So Bob basically disagrees with the whole 'blood the youth' and 'build for long-term' thing. Sure... Singred
01 Nov 2012 23:36:26
Bob the red mate a lot of fans and some eds are wearing goggles don't worry when our bright youngsters will be snapped by big spending teams like arsenal are experiencing then those goggles will come out. I can't see Rodgers taking our team to fomer glories which some supporters think oh some even compare him to shanks and paisley haha. Chelsea and manchester city are going to dominate Epl for 10/12 years especially chelsea have some of the best youngster in the world eg hazzard or oscar etc etc and have got money which is endless. After all they have got owners who can do anything for success.
The whole youth system cannot bring the holy Grail
EPL champions
So you're happy with younsters and aging pro's going nowhere
Food for thought!
Welcome back Bob the Red, but I have to disagree with you here. I think Rodgers is the man to take us back to the top.
The real AG
Excellent post Bob. My sentiments exactly.
01 Nov 2012 20:40:25
I aint totally convinced about B.R but overall can see a pattern of what he's trying to do.His change's, been correct in games.
Juries unsure on Borini in particular.But fella's up against it.Little cash, which aint his fault.He did say its a big job.
Last night he got wrong with too many changes.And i was blazing about last night But squad is poor and thin.Changing is ridiculous at this stage. Feel everyone should back off for time being even if they do have doubts.
Honestly believe and been saying a long while our club's been ran badly for ages. you have to ask if anyone could have had continued success under bury head Moores, feather own nest Parry, pair of clueless cowboy's,Mr. Colgate Purslow,And now FSG-lob money at it,THEN shut up shop with Ayres overseeing transfer window disaster after disaster.
Stadia issues have ran for 20 odd years.Merchandisings been s it! Remember no new LFC shirts after 2005 win?
Each of our managers from Rafa onward has had to operate and try and bring success under the clueless or well intentioned, but mis-guided. Honestly feel owners and runners of LFC have to start getting more questions from fans, then likes of Rafa, Hodgson, Kenny,or Brendan.
Yea each made mistakes (under pressure) but look at the fookin useless muppets they've worked under.
Now whilst were eternally grateful of Fenway's saving of us (under the impressive Martin Broughtons guidance).There is a mixed verdict since.Transfer window's in the main-and if you say that's down to Ayre-who's given him that responsibility.There are other contradictary messages coming from U.S also.
So let's start looking at LFC's behind scenes structure.Ok managers pick sides and tactics, but this trim squad to bones/ youth, is fenway's vision-and is proving too harsh,too much, too soon and aint working.Leaving manager struggleing for numbers, and taking flack if goes wrong. Just a view.
Breath in, breath out, breath in, breath out...
Yoy can see what BR is trying to do, Swansea are doing it already. Three different managers in 2 years and they are better than us,
Bobbinred
Good post - understand what u've said etc..
Not saying I know anything cos I don't; I do have an opinion on things though.
Rafa pushed H&G as much as he could - they borrowed to try to get success so that they could sell for a big profit.
The team had players on big salaries throughout - El Zhar was reported to be on 30k per week :o/
Now I think FSG believed that Comolli and Daglish with £100m or what ever it was net spend blah blah could get Champions League football and therefore make slight changes in cost reduction over a period of time (with CL qualification happening).
It didn't happen and it doesn't looklike happening; so dead wood/costs have been reduced.
Not saying they will or won't reinvest but to me they are hoping BR can (in the next 2/3 years) get in Champions League; thus increasing the budget etc....
Issue is that we've got players that either don't fit BR's system, he doesn't rate them or they are not good enough
So we are therefore in transistion - thing with transistion it puts pressure on players (your best team might have to play 3 times in 6 days); the manager - he wants results but knows he can't put his strongest team out every week and with media as it is now every decision the players, managers and owners make is in the press.
Ok so i've said what I thought; you people may have different views. All I can say is I'd give BR until the end of next season; with the right players (and I dont think they will be llorente, neymar etc..) we stand a good chance with the possession football we play.
AS long as we do buy a striker that is.
Hoola
Swanseas system B.R set up Bobbinred so your points irrelevent. Plus expectancies vary vastly.
Actually Martinez set up the swansea system not Rodgers
01 Nov 2012 20:33:20
I am truly gutted when we lose, I am not happy with our league position.
I don't care about the league cup.
What I care about is Liverpool FC.
Now the people saying sack BR are wrong, it will take time, not less than half a season! We do not have the billions Chelsea and Man City have, we do have money but can't buy a team of stars! BR and FSG are trying to create the new stars and we have some top young talent!
I am sick of doom and gloomers, a little stability and work is needed, not quick fire sackings!
Just relax, support and wait for the future. It won't happen this season, I knew that, BR said don't expect that and if you know football you will understand that.
Patience my fellow reds, don't expect much this season, sorry to say. But things are coming good.
You dont have money to spend ?
How much did kenny spend ?
Doom-mongers?
Where is the evidence it is "coming good"
Worst ever start to a league campaign.
Out of a cup by October.
One striker-and don't give me fsg excuses, it was BR decision to ditch Carroll, and other strikers.
Lets repeat that, a Premier League pretender to the Champions League. With One Striker. Amateurish.
A defence that leaks goals.
BR has never had a team with a strong defence. He has always conceded a high goal average.
So where is the evidence its coming good?
Two key signings who are non attacking midfielders. Costing nearly £30m. When the priority should have been a striker.
And likely no European football until 2014/15 at the earliest.
Are you still glad you are out of the cup, that got lfc into Europe.
Take a look at the facts. Jmac
Haha billions how much have we actually spent the last four seasons less of the excuse an just face it we are declining ready to become another Leeds
01 Nov 2012 22:26:49
Dude,Borini is a striker,
WBD
Is Borini a striker though? not much evidence before injury
02 Nov 2012 00:03:52
Ho ho ho.
I should have said a finisher. Borini ain't no striker. Too lightweight for epl. A Dempsey poses a more attacking threat. Borini is out of his depth. And now going to be well out of match fitness when he gets back. Not unlike Suarez last season after his ban. Jmac
01 Nov 2012 20:28:30
BR wanted to keep Bellamy, Maxi and Kuyt. So for the last time stop moaning about BR, it wasn't his fault any of them left.
Papa G
01 Nov 2012 20:28:17
Good players do not need time to adapt to a new style. Good players can play in any system. Also we were never a Stoke or a Wimbledon so its not alien to the players to have the ball on the deck and pass it. Its nonsense to use it as an excuse to give the players time and write off a whole season.
The Irish Rover
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Irish Rover mate its Rodgers who needs time more then players after all its a big step from managing swansea to Liverpool fc. I just don't understand how he got liverpool job coz his cv is bare and hasn't achieve anything in footy to get liverpool job which is a shock to me or nowdays getting liverpool hot seat is not a big deal who knows.
His Cv isn't bare at all he got the sack from Reading remember.
How can anyone disagree with that it's a fact!
Well what had pep guardiola(spelling) achieved before barca
01 Nov 2012 20:22:03
Listen rEds,
I am wondering if FSG are expecting BR to to better than KK. I think this is impossible at this stage with the current squad we have. I think they are both average managers. The reason we did not do well last night is our current squad. We didn't have those 'league cup heroes' (I know it sounds strange) like Bellamy, Kuyt, Maxi and even Carroll. Because we missed on Dempsey because of FSG's lack of funding I reckon we'll get a decent budget (15-20m) for Jan. I think there are some players (e.g.Cole) that are useless and need out to reduce the wage budget (Carra will retire. I think this club needs work.
YNWA
RedHead
We have a worse sqad than last season, the above poster was right a class player can adapt quickly to a new system AC said he wasn't given the chance to prove he could adapt. I think BR wanted to be his own man get rid of the dead wood which is correct, but he got rid of better players than he signed. Why does BR need time? how much time? he didn't many players time , he just shipped them out. Don't blame FSG BR is the boss and the S..t stops with him.I am all for giving him time but a target must be set, Perhaps the club and pressureis to much for him
Bobbinred {Ed001's Note - Carroll is a drunk, he was shipped out for his off field proclivities, the system was merely an excuse to ship out a waste of space.}
02 Nov 2012 14:07:15
didnt Macca say he was doing alright in the second year or summin?
01 Nov 2012 20:19:03
I think FSG will keep Rodgers beyond this first season (unless the media and fans really turn on him) because he seems to fit what seems to be their long term strategy of bringing the club back to its glory days through playing a more international/continental style of football. This is the only way to ensure the value and profile of the club is raised should they want to sell some day.
1) Rodgers style of football is clearly continental. And so is the style played by the EPL teams that have substantial global following > Mancs, Gooners & Bluenoses for example. All the other coaches that were considered for his job were known for their progressive continental game. The EPL has grown because of television rights & revenues. And there's far more eyes outside of the UK that are watching the games on the telly than in the UK. (It's a fact....). For LFC to grow, more and more eyeballs have to become passionate about the team.
2) Even the "Being Liverpool" series is part of this strategy. You can argue about the small and minor details of prancing around in front of the camera, and how its not the "Liverpool way" but its a new world and the club has to reach out to more people. This was a masterstroke of an idea. I am sitting in a hotel room in India and yet I have been watching the series. I religiously follow the club since the days of Clemence, Neal, Hughes, Keegan, Callaghan and Toshack (mid 70's) and have watched as many games as I could (on TV in Europe). But the idea that the Liverpool message is presented to young kids in places like China or India is absolutely brilliant for the club's future.
What I like about Rodgers (beyond the obvious football knowledge) is that he has "b***s" (or intestinal fortitude). I think he will be around for a while. ra1969
I wish br all the best because i am a red and have been for 53 years but his style of play is no good , we have the ball too long and when players have time to think it all goes wrong less time with the ball and less time to think makes them concentrate on getting the ball in the net.
What's this continental style bs.
You have been playing PS3 too much.
Epl is the best league not the damn continental versions. Epl teams would whip most of the euro teams bar the top 4 in each league.
The clubs you refer to all have massive investment behind them. That is what they have in common. Not fsg type approach. Fsg seem to be aftera mini version of Arsenal. Jmac
Jmac - I don't play PS3, don't even know what it is. But you've proved my point anyways. EPL IS the best league but only after massive television revenues and owners realized they could recoup huge investments, therefore, buying all those continental players you hate so much. It IS the English Premier League but that's only geographical nomenclature. There is nothing purely English about the League anymore. If it was then the FA would have a few World Cups in their cupboard since the 40 odd years I have been watching English football closely. Take off the pink tinted glasses. ra1969.
01 Nov 2012 20:11:23
We got knocked out of a tournament we won last year but everyone criticised us for prioritising it then.We played a weakened squad yesterday and we get criticised for getting knocked out, and this is by our own fans?(i know it's a minority). End of the day Swansea outplayed us and deserved their win, its behind us now. Roll on Sunday and hopefully 3 points v Newcastle. YNWA.
We will lose sunday, and then the doom and gloom will dominate. Hate to say it, but Newcastle are better than us.
01 Nov 2012 20:03:20
does anyone know what the tv show ryan babel done in dutch please carnt find it help me please
01 Nov 2012 19:49:45
Eds. So much negativity around today Why all of sudden everyone wants rogers sacked Yes we r out leaque cup its not End of world we are unbeaten in 4leaque games and slowing moving in right direction the Kids are performin Well fungera crossed Will beat the toon and the postives we come back again ynwa
01 Nov 2012 19:43:14
Name: Pablo Hernandez
Signed from: Valencia
Fee: £5.55m
Name: Miguel Perez Cuesta (better known as 'Michu')
Signed from: Rayo Vallecano
Fee: £2m
Borirni
Fee: £10.5m
Name: Joe Allen
Fee: £15m
it's not about money it's about to know the top class player. BR is far behind then Michael Laudrup.
r-r
Excellent post mate..now pls add this..
caroll 35 mil
downing 20 mill
hendo 16 mill
adam 7 mill
signed by KK the magician..
01 Nov 2012 20:40:16
R-r mate spot on ed2 has always sayed that there is nothing to do with money as owners have always backed us but thair money has been wasted.
First Camolli and KK now Rodgers.
How can we spend 10m+ for Borini who was a chelsea reseve now we still need striker coz Borini couldn't solve our goal scoring problems. Why should owners spend another chunk of their money for another striker to solve same problems which borini failed.what if another striker is brought and he too fails
Its not comparable. If we went in for michu we would be asked for 10-15 million. Hernandez would be 15 million. Due to the size of Liverpool we can't get players on cheap.
Borini is 21 give the lad a chance
Borini's still a kid.
How old was Drogba when he started out his pro career?
- Logic
01 Nov 2012 19:34:30
Waiting for Newcastle to thump Rodgers and we don't want him back coz we have got manager who has taken us to next level winning with 3+ goals where we were stuck with Rodgers winning by 1 goals. Good to see our fans made it clear to him yesterday we don't want him back and are very happy he left coz everything happens for good by the way thanks for 20+ millions for Allen and the company.
Wales
I've seen some pretty stupid posts over the years on here...this one beats them all though.
Well done you!
Your welcome anything we can do to help encourage good football & solidarity toward our Celtic brothers good luck for the weekend & the rest of the season
Paisley's genius
What are you talking about?
Since when was winning not enough
andy the red
Someone has found the hidden jack daniels.
Red raj
The next level because you guys are in 10th right...?
AnfieldUSA
01 Nov 2012 19:31:50
bbc. "We have a very, very small squad. A very thin squad," said Rodgers.
well why u let Bellami go BR ? you should know yuo need experiance player. your buy is Borini and Allen . I think Michu and Hernandiz of swansea much better player then that.
hhh
Bellamy left and was not asked to leave, Einstein. He wanted to play only one more year before retiring and he wanted to do it only with Cardiff. ra1969
Hernandez has had one good game, bar last night Allen has been class all season. I agree Michu is a good buy, but Borini has been more than a little unlucky and now he's injured, with no chance of shutting up muppets like you.
Papa G
Bellamy wanted to leave for family reasons. You should try to stop casting aspersions when you don't have the full facts.
Agree with papa G give Borini time to recover and show people what he can do after his injury, as his movement is very good and I am sure the goals will follow and all his doubters will all go quiet and praise B R for signing the lad
01 Nov 2012 19:29:56
"Anfield Control: We have a problem."
Major Tom
01 Nov 2012 19:22:29
Fsg must be mad if they think u can cut the squad to the bone and still put a challenge for champs league place .where would lfc be if sterling suso wisdom hadnt taken there chance a reg battle this is the worst squad since souness days fsg spend in jan or put the club up for sale
Agrree fsg clueless is the problem more than Rodgers
Heard a couple of days ago and toyed with posting it and thought probably just pt? But low and behold out it comes today! So is there anychance we could hijack what I hear that spurs are putting together extremely good packages for alexis sanchez and christian eriksen? Any chance we could hijack?
01 Nov 2012 19:22:29
I know I need to be patient but as a supporter of 35 years , I get really frustrated now by having to go through another period of being told you wil have another long wait for consistent improvement.
Again of being told that its another young team and that the manager needs again to be given time to get his methods working
It used to be that Managers used to be judged on winning football matches right now, by whatever means not by how they handle the media
Its frustrating that the club sells a load of players and then complains we have a thin squad. I can not believe that Dirk would not have a role to play now.
It is very frustrating that when we get a chance to spend money we wasted it. If you had asked any liverpool supporter who should we have bought none of the
flop four would have been suggested.
Anyway nothing new, just a bit pissed off by the clowns that have run this club since Tom Saunders.
Been saying ages its the running of the club's the key problem
01 Nov 2012 18:59:08
Lost a league cup game not the end of the world eh? Shanks never won the European cup,Bob paisley never won the f.a.cup lets support Brendan & the boys it's a learning process
Paisley's genius
01 Nov 2012 18:27:07
Quick poll, who did we play better football under?
Agree: KK
Disagree: BR
As a side not I enjoy watching the style we play under both of these managers.
Neither, Liverpool have been total garbage for the past 5 seasons.
If I'm honest only maybe Agger and Suarez get in the Chelsea and United team. No one gets in the City team.
The team needs about a £250million spend before it gets close to the top four.
Nostrawigus
KK. I think we pass too much and slow under BR
We don't need Suarez, we've got Torres! ;)
PR!
01 Nov 2012 17:51:55
I hope one good thing to come out of last night's defeat is that Joe Cole isn't seen on a lfc teamsheet again,lovely guy but just needs to move on to pastures new, his move just hasn't worked out.
01 Nov 2012 16:59:00
Werner said at the start of the season that
Champions league qualification was "critical".
I think Brendan has to be very worried for his job because we are a long way off CL qualification.
Plus he's had support from Houllier which means the knives are being sharpened.
Well, then Werner should realize that we don't have a squad to compete for top 6-7 along with cup competitions..
To be fair to Rodgers the squad is so thin and with injuries to key players and a few other seniors under performing, he has done a decent job promoting youth and using players he has at his disposal..
Though I still feel tactically this formation is not compact enough defensively,neither we have enough threat going forward through the middle with one single striker completely isolated ..
The most difficult part would be to sell under performing seniors to make room for new arrivals as no one is willing to take them..
Fair enough but why is the squad so thin? Alienating other players doesn't help either. I don't mean to slate BR but I didn't like the comment but I would like to see what he can do moving forward and shaping the team the way he wants.
When did Werner say that?
When?
Phooey...
Werner didn't say that we must get champions league football .... Fact
16th August 2012
I thought that he said it in reference to "The Big Picture" rather than as a requirement for this season i.e. to become a giant you need consistent CL qualification revenue as apposed to sacking the manager if he didnt make it.
Andy K
01 Nov 2012 16:21:10
Totally agree with comment about big job for Brendan.
It is a massive job, it is going to take several seasons to put right. We have to get behind the manager. The squad is very thin on quality and the players we bought last season do not fit well into Brendan's new style of play apart from the obvious Suarez. We got to two finals last season which was great achievement but we were bottom 3 in league from Jan. Changing managers will only create further problems. We need stability.
One thing that last night showed us was that some of the young players are well better than the older established players. We are lucky to have the likes of Wisdom, Sterling, Suso, Robison etc coming through or we would be even more in the ****.
All this anti Brendan talk were we not well beaten his old team playing his style of football?
Steve068
Sorry Steve068, but I just don't see Rodgers getting SEVERAL seasons to put this right.
Based on previous form, I'd expect FSG to give Rodgers this season and next to sort this out, if he doesn't, he'll be shown the door.
Brendan will grow into the job he's a red now and as such deserves our support
I think as long as we show steady improvement then things will be ok.
Sooty
I'm sorry, but I have not seen any improvement, our once strong defence has given up, we have only one way of playing, easy to defend against, ther is no plan 'B' what u see is what you get.
If we don't improve dramatically we will be struggling to stay up .
The players are giving there best but the tactics are not working, time to go back to basics and slowly bring in this style
kevc
01 Nov 2012 16:20:05
Macca were u been mate we could all do with some good news have u got out for us and wat are your thoughts now on rogers is this job to big for him im on the fence he still has my surrport but its getting harder and harder any replies welcome eds or fellow posters
01 Nov 2012 16:18:15
Ed is Pacheco unavailable due to some reason?
I thought with our squad so short of options , he is probably one player who deserves a chance..
He played against Westbrom in the cup and did pretty well in the attacking midfield role.. {Ed052's Note - No, he just wont be playing that much I shouldn;t think. It is partly down to attitude and partly to ability}
Well if its partly down to ability why's he still here?
I thought he did quite well against west brom.
Hounsred
Nobody wanted him in the summer, that's why.
Papa G
01 Nov 2012 16:14:13
Hi eds,
A few newspapers are saying Rodgers could be sacked if results stay the same. Do you think the owners will sack him if we are mid table come the end of the season considering they spent 8 million to get him or is it just paper talk.
Thanks
Pork chop {Ed052's Note - Its total rubbish, and as far as I am aware, it is one paper report which has spread everywhere. And the initial source isn't exactly a good one either!! But no, if we come 7th or even 8th, aslong as we show improvement and are getting closer to 4th then he will be fine}
I hope he's fine - Rodgers must stay!
So ed052. Put your neck on the line. Do you really class 6th or 7th as improvement with no cup finals or trophies? Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed052's Note - yes, depending how we play, how the youngsters do and how far off 4th we are.}
Considering what he has spent n what he inherited think he is doing a good job tick tock tick tock only time will tell n he got more than k.k thats for sure
01 Nov 2012 16:54:26
Ed52 mate results are very important if we don't improve then he will be sacked. We have to improve coz the way we are going finishing 7-8 will be difficult at the sme time from now any defeat will hit us very hard that to recover will be impossible. {Ed052's Note - An improvement is not all down to your finishing place, and yes, results are all important, but if we improve enough on the pitch, the players improve and we are closer to 4th then that will be a sucess, and he should stay.}
Unless we're relegated (or come close), If Rodgers is sacked this season, I will put my support on hold until FSG sell up.
They're not going to sack him, we're not going to finish in the bottom half and I'm not putting my support on hold.
01 Nov 2012 17:18:59
I say get rid of Rodgers he is out of his depth just like Roy was and bring in redknap!!
So you want the guy didn't get the England job because Roy Hodgson did? The same Roy Hodgson who was out of his depth at Liverpool?
Roy is out if his depth for England too!
If there is no improvement this time next year then I'll begin to get concerned, this season can be written off as players are getting use to a totally new system and with players BR inherited, not his own players, look where Dortmund are now after giving klopp time to put together his own group of players, they finished outside CL places his 1st couple of seasons and just look at them now, unbelievable young team not only in Germany but flying in Europe also, in Brendan we trust!
Jj
Why would fsg sack rogers, he is working within a framework laid down by them,which high profile/established manager will they get who won't get bucket loads of money and have to bring through the youth players?
01 Nov 2012 18:04:29
Hodgson is out of his depth at England too!
Good players do not need time to adapt to a new style. Good players can play in any system. Also we were never a Stoke or a Wimbledon so its not alien to the players to have the ball on the deck and pass it. Its nonsense to use it as an excuse to give the players time and write off a whole season.
The Irish Rover
If we havent learned the benefits of stability from United over the past 20 years then I no longer believe that we are the most knowledgeable fans. We need to stabalise and changing managers all the time does not allow this to happen. BR has a good plan and you can see it happening. As for good players not taking time to adjust to a new system, well that is rubbish, of course it takes time, some will settle quicker than others and some dont have as much adjustment to make but as a unit, it takes time, especially when there are so many new faces in the team and so many kids. Kids are always going to inconsistent. When you change 9 out of your starting line up, you can expect fluid football, especially when there is such a drop from our first 15 or so players. I love Kenny and thought he should of got another year but he was at least partly responsible for a shambles of transfer and now BR has to pick up those peices. People think they are being patient, many are not though. Ride the season out boys and believe in the mission. There will be bad days and there will be great along the road but sitting on the side of the road pointing fingers, looking backwards and dummy spitting will not get us to the chosen land.
Andy K
01 Nov 2012 16:12:41
Eds or Macca? any idea how much funds will be available in january? {Ed052's Note - Again, it will be on a deal by deal, player by player basis, but I should think it will be a reasonable fund should the correct players be avaliable.}
In other words be realistic FIFA fans.
01 Nov 2012 16:09:07
Jonjo, Jonjo, Jonjo,Jonjo, Jonjo, Jonjo,Jonjo, Jonjo, Jonjo, Jonjo, Jonjo, Jonjo Shelvey, must admit it does not have the same impact when not sung to the tune of 2 Unlimited's - No Limit. Shelvey the next Gerrard, no chance, he is less mobile than Jan Molby, maybe the next Igor Biscan.
Come to think about; Igor, Igor Igor, Igor, Igor, Igor,Igor, Igor Igor, Igor, Igor, Igor Biscan has the same ring.
Shelvey will be a very good player for Liverpool & England, to the original poster if you seriously think he will end up like Biscan you don't know football and need to get a grip.
BigD
We have to stop thinking that the players we have like shelvey are good fact is we are poor because we have players like him.
01 Nov 2012 15:59:13
Can someone tell me why we went for borini when pablo jernandez was available?
Hounsred {Ed052's Note - Hernandez has actually not had a great season. I caught the last bit of the match last night on Radio Wales, and the commentators were talking about him, saying how last night he had a better match but so far he hadn't hit it off in his Swansea career. And we went for Borini as we want a player who knows our style, Rodgers, is young, low wages and transfer fee. Not an old player, who will get no better, no sell on fee and higher wages, doesn't know the system, may not fit in and doesn't know the manager}
Always the same when a player literally has one good game against us!! Grrr...
Seriously, we have our team til January, deal with it. Rodgers knows who he's buying and what he's doing, he's no fool.
As for people complaining about last nights result they should take notice, Rodgers has them playing like that.
Rocky
Hernandez first prem goal October 20th against Wigan. He is one goal up on Borini. WOW how we have miss spent money, he is fantastic Borini sucks blah blah blah in the end 21v27 0v1 I take the 21 and the 0
Andrew
01 Nov 2012 15:54:22
What we need is more clever players around the box. We have Suarez and Suso who are the only REAL technical players. I'd prefer Suso to play behind Suarez rather than on the wide right, he doesn't get enough of the ball there. I think we need to play Assaidi because he is also a REAL technical player. I think if we add one more, someone like Juan Mata who can create from the attacking position then we will be sorted.
BthekingB
01 Nov 2012 15:48:39
I wanted yesil to play last night more than anything and I'm the first to praise the youngsters even when they don't have their best game but, yesils all round game was shocking, I was at the match and I didnt see him make one run, his movement was awful he didn't chase and his touch was terrible he even ran weird, he just didn't look like a footballer, I'm not saying he's not a good player because hes only young and it was his debut so he must of been nervous but just from looking last night he just didn't seem to play like a footballer
RedGrant {Ed052's Note - It wasn't his debut but looking past that, you say that you dont want to criticse youngsters, and then you go and do that. As you say, the pressure was high, becuase he's our ''2nd'' striker. Thats why the youngsters may struggle, the pressure is too high, we shouldn't expect anything from the youngsters at all, if they deliver its a bonus}
I know I didnt mean to come across as saying he was useless, even though it might of sounded like I did, but he just didn't look like a natural footballer thats all
So ed...what shoule we expect and from whom?
u were so much in for henderson, downing, adam and caroll wen KK signed them..
what did they contribute...
if we fail to reach CL...either we might have to increase the pay of our youngsters..or say good bye.. {Ed052's Note - How can you say I very much wanted Hendo, Downing etc when KK was in charge and I wasn't even an Ed then!!}
He didnt have much help from cole he didnt want the ball at all
People are expecting way too much from the kid Yesil including BR,I got annoyed when I seen his name on the teamsheet yesterday because I really think hes not ready yet,some young players thrive when thrown in at the deep end ie. Sterling and some suffer and are never the same again.
NAVANRED
Dammed if does dammed if doesnt
01 Nov 2012 15:37:48
hello eds...is it true pohjanpalo has agreed to join liverpool?read an article on metro...hope so this guy is a special talent... {Ed052's Note - We dont think so just yet, but there does seem to be interest}
01 Nov 2012 15:26:08
Been alot of comments here that BR didn't give a toss about winning last night.
Look where Spurs ended last season...Europa. After reaching 4th place. They didn't win anything.
So who was more successful?
Liverpool, 8th place, one cup, one runner up. AGREE
Or Spurs, four places above, 4th. Poorer goals conceded and won nothing. DISAGREE
Jmac
I agree but that wasn't enough to save the King. I know he was only a temporary fix but I just don't know if the club was ready to move towards the "permanent" replacement. That being said I think BR was an astute appointment, just maybe a year too soon.
01 Nov 2012 15:08:56
If there's any player that's left us in recent times that I wish was still here is Craig Bellamy
K.Bennett
If I was Rodgers I would have tried my utmost to keep hold of Bellamy, Kuyt & Maxi this season. Three experienced internationals, all capable of putting in a good shift and getting a goal or two. Just think how much stonger our squad would have been with those guys still on board. It was pure folly by Rodgers to get shut of them so quick.
Maxi wanted to go back to Argentina, Bellamy wanted to go back to Cardiff and Kuyt had a stupid clause in his contract. They were all on high wages and wouldn't feature that regularly anyway.
BthekingB
Good point but raheem sterling may have been playing next gen for another year....
01 Nov 2012 14:57:01
Gerrard needs to be either pushed up to front 3 or start the game on the bench. He was at his best when he was driving up the pitch and literally dragging Liverpool over the line, now we pass it up the field and Gerrard just doesn't suit this style of play.
I have to agree hes not in the best of form at the moment but wh else is there?
I've been saying Gerrard should play up in the front 3 for a while now aswell. Surely its the way to go
K.Bennett
I've been saying Gerrard should play up in the front 3 for a while now aswell. Surely its the way to go
K.Bennett
Sterling Suarez Gerrard
Gerrard had his best season playing on the right under Rafa, i agree with K.Bennett he should be playing as part of a front 3..
BigD
Gerard played on the right for Benitez for the 1 season and scored 24 goals that season his best return! Play him. There again.
01 Nov 2012 14:43:56
FSG need to get there cheque books out and stop thinking about sell on values.We are Liverpool fc and only class players should be playing for us.
The way we are at the moment we could just say anyone playing would be a bonus
01 Nov 2012 14:07:53
Have Liverpool ever been interested in signing James Morrison from WBA? If not - why not? {Ed052's Note - Becuase he isn't good enough!}
As if we need more midfield players
01 Nov 2012 14:36:10
To do what? Sing at half time?? ;)
I think anyone is good enough for liverpool at this stage
mick lfc
01 Nov 2012 13:59:50
I know we all enjoyed winning the cup last season but let's be honest would you rather finish in the top 6 have a good run in Europe and poss the FA cup . I think our main aim is to get as many points on the board as possible then anything after that is a bonus . I really think the capital one cup could have been a distraction . Let's just hope we beat the Geordies this weekend and start moving upwards .
Let's be honest, we will be lucky to finish in the top-half, never mind the top six this season. Worst start to a league season in nearly 100 years...say's it all really.
You are right apart from the cup being a distraction I personally never thought we will win any sort of silverware this year. but it was a good competiton for our kids to get some minutes on pitch.We are a very young team with only one forward I wont call yesil or morgan as forwards for the first team as they are not ready. 4-3-3 formation is a very tough one to play not every team or every striker will suit that. that's why we always play Suarez as a lone striker he has that ability to do that, the only other player in our team to do that is Borini. Like yesterday Yesil was surrounded by 2 def he could have done nothing. I would have started the game with Pacheco he will run for the ball and please someone get rid of Joe cole he is rubbish he should have left the club along with hodgson ,koncesky.
Red 316
Well said pal. At least some1 on here has some cop-on
01 Nov 2012 13:59:40
transfermarketweb report,
According to the Daily Star, after loosing 1-3 to Swansea, Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers risks to be fired.
the what
Our reserves lost really, Champions League is the priority, to get that we need 3-4 more players of high quality and get rid of players (mistake signings) like Downing, Henderson, Cole, Carroll, Doni. Until then the squad will never be good enough. If i was Downing or Cole i'd be embarassed to be a professional footballer when kids like Suso and Sterling from the Academy play so much better than them on probably 10% of the wages Cole and Downing get, it's actually a joke...
No better man than Brendan Rodgers to get rid of them, he wont stand by and watch players give mediocre performances like last night. Rodgers is in this for the long haul, he is definitely the right manager to bring us forward, we're not gonna win every game with the squad we have, we're improving in the league and i'm sure come the end of the season with a few additions in January we'll be very close to 4th
Rocky
Can't believe u read the daily star, never mind believe anything that's written in it
Cudge
Can't believe you actually think CL is a priority. It isn't even in sight. Any team that concedes like Liverpool now do have no chance of top 3. Fourth spot may well turn out to be the Europa spot again this season.
It would have been easier just to win the league cup. Jmac
01 Nov 2012 15:43:28
Doni as a mistake signing? he was free and was our best player in the last few games of last season when he played. We'd be better now with him in goals than Brad Jones
"i'm sure come the end of the season with a few additions in January we'll be very close to 4th"
Are we going to sign Ronaldo, Messi and Falcao in January?
Even with those 3, come January we'll be nearer 4th bottom than 4th. {Ed052's Note - Why is everybody being ridiculous. Our second team lost to Swansea, big whooop!! We will be near the top 4 come the end of the season}
We're 7 points behind 4th at the moment Ed052.
If you think that gap won't increase come May then you are either brave, foolish or both. {Ed052's Note - Im not saying it wont increase, Im just saying we will be closer to 4th this turn around.
There's 29 games left (87 points to play for), I find it amazing that considering we're playing good football in the league and create loads of chances per game that people are giving up on 4th spot. With all the changes in the squad since last season and a new manager coming in with a new system of play the team need time to adapt and settle. These things dont just happen over-night...
I see it this way, we will improve, we will add strikers to the squad at least in January, we need around 70 points at least come the end of the season...
The teams that have finished 4th place the last 4 seasons had an average of 69.75 points:
2011/2012: 69 points total (Liverpool won 14 games that season)
2010/2011: 68 points total (Liverpool won 17 games that season)
2009/2010: 70 points total (Liverpool won 18 games that season)
2008/2009: 72 points total (Liverpool won 25 games that season and finished 2nd with 86 points)
Liverpool CAN get more points this season and achieve 4th IMO, with 29 games left we could achieve around the 68 points mark, lets not forget the league is probably at its most competitive this season so Spurs, Man-City, United, Arsenal will all drop points along the way, we'd have to win 20 games total at least this season to be in contention. It's my opinion and i'm no mathematician but its very possible.
People are always gonna post negative comments but thats their opinion and they're entitled to have their say. People need to understand that this is just the beginning after so much bad buying and changes at the club over the last few seasons. Even though we haven't got a huge squad its still better than what we've had over the last two seasons.
The trouble with some "supporters" is they have easy access to the internet and couldn't care less about the club but just wanna come on here and have a moan.
Rocky
01 Nov 2012 13:53:56
Dortmund are a fantastic example of giving a young manager time to implement his ideas. When Klopp initially joined BVB, they finished 13th in the Bundesliga. Do you think the fans were jumping up and down? Do you think the fans could see the project that Klopp was undertaking? Could they forsee themselves becoming German champions within 3 years?
Can Liverpool fans see where we will be in 3 years time? I know for sure we have got a fantastic set of young players who will only grow under Rodgers, we look set for a extension to our stadium which is news us fans have been waiting for and promised for years, fantastic owners who remember, saved our football club, invested £100 odd million in transfers and are backing a stadium build.
There is still alot of work to be done but the positives out-raw the negatives at present. If we never believed, supported and had patience in our club we wouldn't be the most decoareted football club in English football.
Apples ;96;
So because this philosophy worked for Dortmund it will automatically work for us, right? If only it were that simple.
Well said m8
BigD
There is a difference between us and the other clubs like Valencia or Dortmund. Our fans want us to win instantly , they except us to win everything. Its not possible,there are teams like Arsenal who have won nothing for 7-8 years . They are the most stable team with enough revenue with the best youngsters in the world and the Manager whom they call The Professor and that's because the premier league is the toughest in the world you have to compete with Chelsea's Mafia Billions , with Abu Dhabi oil rich Billions, with rubbish Man utd , then Arsenal or team like Spurs. where as Valencia fans will never expect them to win the La Liga because they know Barca or Real will do that. Dortmund fans have only Bayern to compete with the other teams like Shalke or leaverkusan are ok not challengers.
Guys we will get there we will have to believe in someone and give them time if we change management every year we will have every new manager bringing their Allens and Borinis. Give Br a chance my motive this year is to see how we have done against the team like Arsenal, spurs, Everton and Newcastle we belong to this bracket this year. Next year we will go higher in the bracket just below the Champions
Have faith brothers and For BR he has to change his game plan one in a while if he needs two striker put two no need to stick to 4-3-3 if its not working
Red 316
To the guy who couldn't be arsed signing his post.
Dortmund are a fantastic example of giving a manager time and it paying off. It could have been easy for Dortmund to sack Klopp and the fans to turn against him but they believed in him and gave him the time that he needed. Maybe some Liverpool fans could take a leaf out of their book, BR didnt come in and promise us instant success, he stressed it would take time. So give it him!
Apples ;96;
Apples ;96;
Don't get so upset my dear. I'm simply pointing out that what works for one club, doesn't necessarily mean it will work for another.
You will be glad to know that Brendan Rodgers has my full unwavering support. Hopefully the worst league start in nearly 100 years is merely a blip, because after following Dortmund's blueprint, in three or fours time we shall be Premier League champions!
The guy who can't be arsed to sign his own name! ; )
But we haven't got Dortmund's owners, or manager, we've got owners who sacked a legend after one season having won our first piece of silverware for 6 years.
Well said, Apples mate! We need to give BR more time. LFC can't sack the manager and start over every season, and people need to realise that LFC aren't going to pay over the moon for players. We need to groom our youngsters, and bring them up through the Academy, and BR is willing to do that. BR has a system in place, and plays attractive football, so I really think he's the man for the job.
We need to be patient and get behind the team. Personally, I think this is a very exciting time at LFC, watching our youngsters come up through the ranks and get playing time in the first team. Three teenagers started in the Merseyside Derby; that is exciting, and shows the potential of this young team.
The future looks bright, and I am looking forward to it!
-Red Socks
Sorry, when did I say we were going to win the premier league? i think your not getting what im saying. The point im making is we all need to stick by the manager and i used Dortmund as a great example of that. So before you twist my words, i thought id make that clear for you princess.
And I thank you for signing off your post as i can refer to you in the future.
p.s ;)
Apples ;96;
"....But we haven't got Dortmund's owners, or manager, we've got owners who sacked a legend after one season having won our first piece of silverware for 6 years..."
yes mate our owner sacked a manager who bought 3 rubbishs worths 100 mill..
downing henderson caroll and adam...
y dont you check this?
Kenny was working under a director of football and a chief exec. If you think Kenny had any say in how much we paid for those players then you're very naive.
Those rubbish players helped the club win it's first piece of silverware for 6 years. That may not mean anything to the current generation of SkyTV victims but it means something to fans who attend the matches and appreciate our success.
Kenny is a hero for what he achieved.
Correction, he bought 4 rubbishes who are worth £10m at most...combined
01 Nov 2012 13:53:49
We mite not be fighting for the Title just yet but at least we still win trophies unlike Arsenal who haven't won anything in 6 years, yes fair enough they qualify for the CL but what is better winning silverware that goes down in the clubs history or finishing 4th that nobody remembers
BigD
We haven't won anything yet pal. The last thing we won was last year under Kenny and things have changed since then.
01 Nov 2012 13:23:07
There seems to be growing interest in defender Yaya Banana of Sochaux , I'm not really impressed , saw him at Nancy on 20 October and he was skinned several times .
But the guy can split a defence in an instance. Sure knows how to curl a pass through..
YNWA! (Adam)
01 Nov 2012 13:19:58
Hi Eds, I'm a big fan of the website and I love the answers you give (even when you can't say much), however, I don't remember anyone asking you who you think we will target/get in January and also in July? Can you tell us? Or have I asked something that should/can not be answered?
Keep up the great work!!
YNWA JFT96 {Ed052's Note - Well, that is a question that is very hard to answer. We have told you about players we have definate interest in, e.g. Walcott, Sturridge and Hopper. We have also had other players watched, such as Hemed and Watt; amongst many other I am sure. In terms of who we could sign, it could be any of them, and others, e.g. Huntelaar who we will no doubt become interested in should be become available at a reasonable price. However, we have no clue at all who we many get in the summer, and that will very much depend on who we get in January, which of the youngsters step up, which of them dont, and who is available next summer. I almost forgot, we may also look for a loan deal in January}
01 Nov 2012 13:06:31
hi eds good afternoon to you all
just like to ask has brendan got more than 3 envelopes. cant really say i blame rodgers for last night i think there was a few players who need to take a good look at themselves and say they do not deserve to play for our great club.tommy Irish Red
Yeah joe cole for example, if he wanted first team football he could have cut his wages down and stayed in france but his first interest is money not football, we should just get rid, we've paid him hundreds of thousands since he joined us but he couldn't give us 30 minutes of good football , why keep him??
They all looked tired. Except Suarez and Gerrard. ra 1969
My 3 envelopes have the names Ayre, Werner and Rodgers in them
01 Nov 2012 13:05:04
Talk about super storms, LFC have created their own super storm. Too much focus on buying quick success has led to continual over spending on poor players draining financial clout over time. Rarely have all the buys been successful all at the same time. Without an owner willing to lose a couple of hundred million, there is no alternative but creating a strong commercial business. Commercial success is extremely difficult in football but debt has destroyed many teams.
We must remain patient and focused on future growth. Look backward does nothing. Continual clear out dead wood, selective purchasing of proven foriegn second tier players that want to prove themselves and turn into stars, rather than over pay on some player that comes to England to pick up the high wages. We do not want to compete for plays that want man city wages. Fans have got to temper expectations now, 20 plus years without the league. We can hang on another year. However we must make progress, sort out the squad, build a team that can compete, ready for next year, because after this season LFC need to return to the top table and perform. Our status and history deserves this and anything less is mismanagement and failure.
This was meant to a rant but I cannot jump on the sack the manager bandwagon. The problems are too deep, however this should not stop us having a quality squad assembled cheaply.
Beancounter
You are right mate ,but if we don't look back at our success then don't look forward to any because the only place we will be is in the championship .we are not even a mid table side anymore .like BR idea but its not working and where other teams use plan B . We haven't got one .so look at who we've beaten this year and you will see where we are actually at and it's not good .
01 Nov 2012 13:04:19
We lack true, experienced match winners.
Last year we had, Suarez, Agger, Skrtel, Bellamy, Kuyt, Maxi, Gerrard, Johnson, (Carroll towards the very end of the season) and although you all hated him, Charlie Adam.
As poor as some of them were, they were players who could win you a game in a instance (corner, freekick, skill, brilliant pass, powerful run, 30yd rocket, being in the right place, 5* performance etc)
This year we have Suarez, Agger, Skrtel, Gerrard and Johnson. Sahin and Assaidi are finally stepping up into this category, and hopefully by the end of the season Sterling, Yesil and Suso will have done so as well.
My point being, Rodgers hasn't weakened the squad in the long run. How many years did Kuyt Maxi and Bellamy have left? But he hasn't bought quick fixes.
Imo, the biggest losses are the experince Maxi, Kuyt and Bellamy offered. Those 3 players up top would score more in a season than Sterling, Suarez and Suso will. Talent just can't outweigh confidence and experience.
I really hope to see our whole team turn into match winners. Then we can have a squad of class players to fill in for injuries and tiredness.
Our starting XI is so close. Rodgers will get it right. I for one am excited, and to say I don't care about last night is a lie. When i checked the result, my heart sank. But in the bigger picture, we cant sustain playing 3 games in 6 days for a whole season.
I hope to see us pushing up the league in the coming weeks. If we can win the FA cup and/or Europa league, I'd be over the moon! That way we'll have the Community shield and/or the Eufa Super Cup to look forward to in pre-season. Top 6 should be the aim this year. We are re-building, with a young and in-experineced squad. How many players do we have that have been here for 5 years?
Gerrard, Carragher, Reina, Agger and Skrtel. Two of which are in the twilight of their careers. We are building something special, and Rodgers has the blueprints.
Lets just consider last night as the wind and the rain, and wait for that golden sky.
YNWA! (Adam)
Great post mate!
pronin
Quality post Adam. I agree with every sentiment. Good expectations and realistic goals.
Chi-Paul
Nice 1 Adam well said
Muggitzo
01 Nov 2012 13:00:07
The lack of quality players and the size of our squad has put us in this position. Gone are the days when the opposition would be freightened by the Name liverpool. We have dropped too far too quick to command that respect anymore. its a pity that quality players are
not interested in signing for us either. This shows that we have lost CLASS in our game.
Or lost CLUES in our support?
Andy K
01 Nov 2012 12:53:38
I often wonder how many times people have watched the players that they say will be ideal for the club play a full game, as i must admit that i know little about players from other leagues or teams and i am only really interested in them when they play my team. To listen to some fans you would think they are best mates with these players as they seem to know a great deal about the most obscure leagues or is it just FiFa that gives this knowledge. ray 3037
Spot on! I have thought the same many a time. People play FIFA and FM, like myself, and then watch a Youtube compilation and decide a player is gold. Never mind attitude, wage demands, adaptability, and so on.
01 Nov 2012 12:48:19
Ok this is how i see things.
a) we judge the manager. I think he comes across very well to the fans and the players and (from the TV show seems to be very impressive).
b) we judge his system and philosophy. i think he is very much of the Liverpool ilk and this is how i want my team to play, with passion and style.
c) we judge the performances. Most people agree that he should be give at least a season of bedding in. Yes it is up and down but so was Benitez with the exception of Europe.)
Personally I think (c) will come good with time as (a) and (b) are sound. To compare this to Hodgeson I think (a), (b) and (c) were all off and that is why he had to go.
Let me know if you disagree with what i am saying in principle...
Quigg77
To your ref . On rafa in his first 3 seasons liverpool finished in the top 4 and 5th the year after .so yes we had ups and downs but not as bad as BR he has the worst record out of or last 5 mangers {Ed052's Note - Yes, he may do, but he has picked up the team in the worst position of any of our previous managers, almost ever!!}
Agree fully :)
pronin
True , atleast Brendan Rodgers came out and stated that last night is just not could enough and even singled a few under achievers out .
I expect BR to continue building and welcome it .
Jargon .
I disagree
a) couldn't give a monkeys how the manager comes across. He's there to manage the football team, he's not a politician or a celebrity
b) systems are irrelevant unless you're not winning. No-one prioritises style or systems over results.
c) FSG have a record of sacking managers. They sacked Hodgson after 18 games, they sacked King Kenny after 18 months. Rodgers hasn't got any bedding in time, if the results are not there he WILL be sacked. A leopard doesn't change his spots.
Overall I think your post is hopelessly romantic and pure fantasy. Football managers are judged on results. It has always been true and it always will be true. So far, Rodgers is hopelessly out of his depth as Hodgson was.
I agree with Ed he inherited carp and got very little cash
Please lets not talk about sacking Hogson after 18 games he would not have won anything even the UEFA cup place after 118 games he was crap and had a crap mentality. KK did whatever he could, he had the best of intension but he was not a long term option and screwed up the transfers. So if you dont want to support Br dont support him just list us who should replace him and lets have a banter
REd 316
01 Nov 2012 12:44:05
Does anyone know especially the Eds as to why Yesil isn't getting a chance? He was talked up last month but still hasn't had a look in
Jonesred {Ed002's Note - He is young - his chance will come.}
He played yesterday.
pronin
01 Nov 2012 12:45:36
Some of the free trasnfers this summer:
Ashley Cole
Frank Lampard
Theo Walcott
Daniel Sturridge
Chris Brunt
Brede Hangeland
Kolo Toure
Florent Malouda
Danny Simpson
Jermaine Jenas
Now lets be honest, all of these guys would be good squad players. But we need to account for 2 other things. Wages, and Egos.
Lampard and Sturridge are egos. Think they are better than they are. (+Lamps is 34)
Cole, Malouda and Toure are on wages only Cole is really worthy of.
Simpson, Jenas and Brunt are barely improvements on what we have, if at all.
Therefore my picks are Walcott, Hangeland and if he'd take a pay cut Ashley Cole.
We need more genuine pace up top (and anybody who claims Walcott has no end product is jumping on the media bandwagon), and Hangeland could finally come in and replace Hyypia. Something we never did. You need a cool headed reader of the game who can impose himself on the opposition. Skrtel isn't that yet, but he seems to improve every year. If anything, Hangeland is cheap back-up.
Left back has been our bogey position since Riise left. So why not go and get the best left back in the world for free? Plus with him being 31, in 3 years time, he'd step down and Robinson can rise to the challenge.
Cole can wait till the summer, but i'd test Arsenal and Fulhams resolve in January. £10m for Walcott and £3m for Hangeland. Then in the summer, sign Cole/left back, a defensive midfield back up and another forward. Also Sahin if he wants to stay, if not, Holtby.
There is value in the market! We just have to find it.
YNWA! (Adam) {Ed052's Note - I think only 2 of those players would improve our team and some of them are worse than our 16 year olds}
I agree Ed. Only Cole and Walcott improve our team, but you won't find a better centre back than Hangeland that cheap, and Carraghers days are numbered.
This is all completely subject to other players who are available. I mean those are just the free agents from the Prem. There are bargains everywhere. I'd just feel much more asured with Cole at left back than Enrique, and Walcott would just add more excitement to our front 3 than anybody else who may be available.
This is just my personnal opinion and I to wouldn't touch 80% of that list with a barge pole!
YNWA! (Adam)
Ashley Cole will not sign for Liverpool, why would he? Walcott will not leave Arsenal for £10m in any circumstance and Fulham will expect at least £6m for Hangeland. You're dreaming if you think otherwise. Out of the list of players you mentioned I think only Theo Walcott is worth persuing. I would happily take Cole but I can't see him wanting to move to Liverpool wanting to match his wage demands.
MarkB.
Yes Ashley Cole would come to you in a heartbeat, he'd love to make the move from European Champions to mid table minnows. I guess £500k a week would tempt him though
01 Nov 2012 12:42:55
Just listening to King Kenny being interviewed on
What a man
Words aren't enough to describe the greatness off the man
Without this being a pop at BR I have to say he should never have sacked when he was and I for one would have stood full square behind the King through thick and thin always
Anyone on here who dares to disrespect him should be ashamed
Chris in Tamworth
I could not agree more.
Red Owl
Well said Chris. Agree 100%.
Kenny is great man and footballer and great manger in the 80s but if you owned a football club would you trust him with 100 million of your money to buy 5-6 players.
I thought not. He has had his day. Get behind BR.
I think we might be having a better season under Kenny right now, but think we have a better long term future under Brendan. I hope that makes sense.
Keith
Agree completely with Chris and Keith, I just fear we gave BR the job a year too soon.
01 Nov 2012 12:23:24
some of our so called supporters really need to get a grip ! calling for BR to be sacked after only being in the job for a few months is simply irrational. what would happen if they have their way? we sack BR and get somone else in, and if we get knocked out of the fa cup in january we can sack them aswell. then the new manager will get untill may to get us into the top 4 and if he fails ,yes on his bike ! chopping and changing managers wont get us anywhere. stability is the only way forward so get behind BR , FSG and the team!
01 Nov 2012 12:16:53
Question for the Eds (preferably Ed001) - Do you know how long there is left on the contracts of Downing and Cole? I assume Downing has longer to go than Cole?
In my opinion we should just loan the pair of them out to whoever will pay the most toward their wages, until such point as their contracts expire, and then release them.
Neither are good enough and even playing them in Cup competitions means one less youth prospect being given game time. Everytime I see Downing saunter out on to the pitch in a red shirt I die a little inside. What a waste of money.
I would love to see Huntelaar sign in January, with Suarez moving out to the right and Sterling on the left... Thoughts?
Jimathon {Ed001's Note - 2015 for Downing and 2014 for Cole. I agree with loaning out Cole, he is a trier and I hope he has success elsewhere. Huntelaar I really don't want. He has shown he struggles in a stronger league, he lacks pace, I just don't see the need for him, we just need to give the kids more time.}
01 Nov 2012 12:17:34
Hello Eds,
What do you make of the game against Swansea ?
I seriously feel we need to get rid of Downing and Joe cole (even if we have to pay him off).Not overly arsed about the COC cup but our Squad and gameplay needs improving.We have to get our act together in the next 2 windows and get upto 4 new players which are seriously required (a ST, a winger, a CDM and a LB or a GK depending on what is more of a neccesity).
We just can't keep saying we are in transition and then hope to keep hold of the likes of Suarez, Skrtel, Agger etc.
Praying that we atleast get a ST (Walcott, Hermed, Huntelaar) and maybe a winger in Jan while moving on Cole, Downing, Wilson (for the sake of the lads future) and Doni. {Ed001's Note - it just showed how weak our squad is, that the fringe players are simply not good enough or not ready yet. Good luck to Swansea, they outplayed us last night.}
I think that we are light up top, so a striker is a must. in all fairness with a clinical striker we would've won. yesil just needs to hold the ball up better and work space for his shot but that will come. i would really love miccoli to come, he is a tank, although it wont happen. we just need to be patient, dortmund were in a similar situation to this 4 seasons ago.
derryred
01 Nov 2012 12:04:43
So our shadow team in the main, was beaten, and well beaten at Fortress Anfield ??
Don't be surprised, Swansea are above our first team in the league, so what chance when they put out their strongest side against our vastly understrength team.
So many Liverpool 'fans' who come on here spouting off, have a far too inflated opinion about how good we are. Those days are in the dim and distant past, accept that fact, and start doing what you say you are - supporters.
KBL
Liverpool aren't as bad as what you say but i agree with the post that people have to start supporting liverpool. i couldn't believe how quiet the kop was when i went, i think me and my mates outsang them.
derryred
01 Nov 2012 11:44:58
This job is not to big for BR. Think about it you need at the very least 4-5 years PL experience before taking a job of this size. He has had one good season so he will make mistakes in matches and not every player he signs will be as good as Suarez. We need to stand by the man he has my full support.We will loose more games this year that is certain but all you muppets calling for his head after a loss don't have a clue.Last year people were calling it a mickey mouse cup but after we won it i didn't hear them say that. As a liverpool fan for the past 27 years im hugely dissapointed in some of you yesterday.Im upset not to be in the cup but to me the most important thing is the league we need to get as many points as we can and one less cup might help us. BR is a man who i admire. He plays football the right way we will loose many more games before the system starts to work it takes time for a new manager nothing ever happend overnight. I think we need to get a few players off the books like Joe Cole and Downing and use the money to buy a quality forward who we really need badly.
I tend not to come on this site after we loose because it's full of the worst liverpool fans.Yesterday i did and i could not understand how a vast section are already calling for he's head.We might not get anywhere for a decade if we keep changing managers give BR time and i bet you he will be one of the best managers in our history.
Red raj
I can't think of 1 manager of a top premier league club who had 4-5 years of premier league experience before taking their job.
But let's indulge you Raj. If what you say about experience is true , then why on earth did FSG sack Kenny and replace him with inexperienced Rodgers?
It smacks of incompetence.
Kenny wasted vast sums of money thats one of the reasons we are in this mess. FSG were right to sack him. Did fans call for he's head after 10 games i think not.
Red raj
Actually Ferguson had 5 years!
Mancini, di mateo, AVB none of these manager have 5 years have experience they are all at big clubs and above us, they only difference is their clubs have money we don't, so ride the storm and relax things will get better, we have small squad compare to other clubs so being in 3 competitions it's a big ask for our little squad we have to prioritise, BR is a good manager give him time.
01 Nov 2012 11:30:11
Is humiliation and countless error really the path to success? Mr Rodgers and FSG are looking increasingly out of their depth,utterly incapable of the job they have taken on. {Ed052's Note - And you call yourself a Liverpool ''fan''?}
Thankfully this so called fan has no say in the running of the club at board level r we would have a new manager every other week remember its youll never walk alone through the good times and bad times go and support the mancs if you want to win win win and get all your own way.Tommy Irish Red
Agree with original poster.
You agree with the original poster because you're not an LFC fan.
01 Nov 2012 11:28:32
Wow, you'd think Superstorm Sandy came through Anfield last night, given some of the moaning today.
Let's be a little dispassionate about the game - it's the League Cup after all. In the clear light of day, it's not a big deal.
So, my take on some of the performances last night (granted, I turned off after the 2nd goal so it may be incomplete).
Up front: Cole and Yesil seemed out of their depth - must be hard to put on "A" game against a good team when you play once a month. Yesil needs some time, Cole is not going to make it...
Middle: Allen had a poor game, which doesn't happen too often but hopefully this means he's ready for Newcastle. We really do need Lucas back to protect the back 4 (when's he going to be fit anyway?).
Wings: Downing was good, his movement was a lot better than I would've expected to be honest. If he hadn't shanked the 12-yarder with his wrong foot, we probably wouldve been praising him to high heaven.
Defense: Decent overall, although the lack of pace did hurt on the breakaways. Dyer burned Robinson a few times and we always knew Coates and Carra were not the quickest.
Jones: was fine and made some pretty good point blank saves. Punted down the pitch a few times, which was not ideal but, in his defence, the backline was too slow in moving it forward. In general, he's starting to look more confident and an able backup to Reina.
So what does this mean? It was an average performance and we got beat by the better team. There's a big difference between playing your best and being beaten, and not really showing up. Unfortunately, until Luis and SG came on, we didn't really show up. Let's hope it's out of the system in time for Newcastle.
Cheers, everyone.
Doha Red
Only the League Cup? This coming from the same group of supporters who after winning it last season heralded it as a stepping stone to great things and return to the big time...The words fickle and short sighted spring to mind!!
The words 'anoymous poster' and 'tosser' come to mind when reading your reply
Flagg
01 Nov 2012 11:26:28
Survey:
1)If after 18 league games of tippy-tappy football Rodgers has a worse record than Roy Hodgson should he be sacked?
2) Dalglish was sacked because of poor results I the league according to FSG's official statement. If after 1 season of tippy-tappy football Rodgers has a worse league record than Dalglish, should he be sacked? {Ed052's Note - no}
Dalglish spent like a £100m and failed so hard, if rodgers had that kind of money im sure we would be doing a looooot better.
There's other factors that lead to the sacking of daglish. He was never the owners first choice, the second half of the year we where terrible and performed utrociously in the league. Kenny spent a fortune on average players that summer. The Suarez issue which made him look unprofessional. His constant neglect of our better foreign players (kuyt and maxi).
Absolutely not , Big ideas require time to be implemented .
Jargon .
My concern with Brendan Rodgers is that he spoke the language that FSG wanted to hear and blinded them with 150 page dossier and powerpoint slides. Bearing in mind they have no clue about football Rodgers will prove to be another bad appointmnet. He has to take responsibility for letting Carroll,Bellamy,Maxi, Kuyt etc leave without adequate replacements.His ideologies are admirable but not wholly practical for the EPL as there has to be a mixture of styles to ensure success and I am concerned that he is a bit of a one trick pony. I am also tired of reading the drivel of not being a true supporter bla bla bla the liver pool way etc which is total tosh . We are all entitled to our opinion irrespective of where we are from
Kenny was always tactically out of depth. Look at the Everton match, that shows BR's ability to read the match and take initiatives. Kenny's lack of game plan cost us a lot of matches (ie. Arsenal-home and QPR away). Kenny had the options to use kuyt, maxi and bellamy which he often did not do and continued with the likes of hendo and downing. he never seemed to have any plan how to use carroll. finally, if anyone is to be blamed for our current difficulties, it should be FSG. they did nothing to support BR, they seem to take the moneyball theory too seriously which is not entirely successful in english and european football. {Ed023's Note - Eh we spent 30m plus in the summer. As Ed002 pointed out we were in the top 10 net spenders last summer in the world}
And bought rubish with it borini wat a joke and allen not much better michu hanandez and de guzman all better and all three cost less then allen again 30 mil wasted so can all the edds start seeing this pls let alone letting carrol go mistake after mistake when will it end
mike
Toward the end whenever dagleish was interviewed on the telly he was miserable,ignorant and beligerent.he always used to show a good sense of humour but the pressure got to him and he came across as a different person.For his own sake it was time to go
I never thought dalgleish should've been sacked but he did spend a lot of money to reach the top 4. the worst thing will be for the owners to sack rodgers without giving him proper backing. i think that the last thing we want is to spend another off season looking for a new manager.
derryred
Mike what would Carroll be doing if he was still at Liverpool. Sweet FA same as the previous season. Hes useless
The so-called fans on this page continuously slating BR etc are pathetic and a ruining this site and ruining our reputation as the most knowledgeable and loyal fans in the world. Useless, pointless little halfwits
Flagg
Mike? Have you watched Allen play at all? He's playing as a defensive midfielder which isn't his natural position and he's been far better than most of our players already. As for Borini, he's played 11 games for us, a bit early to judge dont you think, or is that how it's going to be from now on?
MarkB.
01 Nov 2012 14:34:58
Lets give Rodgers £100m and see what he does with it. Or even £50m. We'd be a looott better off than we we're with Kenny and Commoli. Sorry I love Kenny but it's true.
Any fool could see carrol was coming into his own in the last third of season getting games and being unplayable winner at blackburn winner at everton in semmi to great goals in final second crossed line and destroyed chelsea at ours 4 nil goes to west ham first game man of match simple he would be so much better up top for us and suarez doing his own thing as usual because has anyone noticed all the decent crosses being surplied now when there aint even anyone there cass clossed! and for allen if he is a further forward player were was all his goals and assists last season we over paid like we do on everyone and that buck stops with ayre same as borrini shocking
mike
01 Nov 2012 11:25:31
According to BBC Jack Butland said he might be sold in Jan with everton reportedly interested. I'm a big fan of Pepe's but he has been poor for some time now. Would it be possible to purchase him to compete initially with Pepe and then overtake him or are we not interested in keepers at the present time?
Because I assume Everton wouldnt promise Butland first team football with Howard
Sam LFC
With Reina getting on mow 31 i think, We should defiantly be trying to get young Jack Butland at the age of 19 yrs old he will be a very good goalkeeper and bearing in ming that Reina is 31 and will probably end his career in Spain, Butland would become our no. 1 for the foreseeable future and would not cost that much around £6-8m.
BigD
Isn't that contradictory ? Compete with Pepe initially, whereas I'd imagine the same would apply at Everton !
01 Nov 2012 11:22:48
Just listened to this weeks,,Pass and move Podcast,,and they claimed CFC still owed LFC 24m!! for F.Torres.Could he be heading back in Jan? {Ed052's Note - erm, NOOOO}
01 Nov 2012 11:13:55
For clarity's sake:
Rodgers did not rebuild Swansea. Roberto Martinez rebuilt Swansea. Check the record.
Rodgers came along and scraped promotion through the last place in the playoffs. Then he benefitted from the George Burley first season syndrome and got praise for it.
Then Klopp turned FSG down- smart man
Martinez was nailed on and then didn't happen
FSG re-approach Rodgers and he joins LFC.
Cheers for that Roberto, great job.
davethebutcher
Its almost as if your trying to make out martinez is a better manager?
Like I've said before. Patience
Most of what you said is true... but if u remember rodgers finished higher with swansea in his first season in the premier league than martinez has ever finished with wigan.. klopp was never going to leave dortmund with the project they are in the middle of. rodgers only wanted to talk to fsg when he knew he was the only candidate. How many times do fake fans need to be told that rodgers has inherited a mediochre team with limited spending power. a squad as thin as ours shud be doomed but actually were looking quite gd in the league now with great youngsters and suarez ( golden boot ? ) in this type of form.. come january i really believe we can push on for the top teams and put us in a great posistion for next season.
YNWA
Martinez did'nt rebuild swansea.It started a few years before his time with brian flynn taken further by kenny jackett and then sousa who all did their bit in the rebuilding. Martinez was instrumental though in starting the youth academy which is now showing results and he brought in some very good spanish players for very little money
01 Nov 2012 10:42:50
I think it's safe to say Joe Cole is finished at Liverpool, he's 31 next week, had high hopes for him when he joined on a free transfer when Hodgson became manager but with constant injuries and poor form its time to let him go in January. We should go all out to get Fernando Llorente in January, we need a player of his calibre to get us anywhere near 4th spot, the team is perfect for him IMO but i'm afraid City will offer stupid wages and get him :(
Rocky {Ed052's Note - I almost had a heart attack then, I was speed reading throught the post and thought you were about to say Torres, thank gosh you didn't!!"}
Haha, we got unbelievable money for Torres and sold him at the right time, i was happy about that only for £35m to be wasted on Carroll. BUT had Torres stayed i think we may have got Champions League football the last two seasons. I think he was forced out of the club which is a shame cos he did love the club no matter what he said in the aftermath of his sale....
Suarez, Llorente & Sterling/Assaidi is a very good attacking front 3 in front of Lucas, Allen and Gerrard IMO. Only time will tell doh. I've heard Cavani is considering a move next summer so that would be unbelievable aswell but here's to dreaming...
Not too sure about the Huntelaar rumour, dont believe he's a target.
Cole, Downing, Wilson, Doni, Carragher (retired, may coach Liverpool youth team) Spearing & Henderson will all leave in 2013 to fund sales (about £18m combined roughly) :p
Rocky
4th spot ? You're having a laugh I presume, of course you are. You can't be that silly after all. That spot, my friend, is Everton's and Everton's to lose !
When Everton dont achieve 4th spot which in my opinion will certainly be the case how will you look. Then I presume your excuse will be at Least we finished above the reds, which is and always will be your best achievement. Bitters can never brag about anything. We Had our worst season in 54 years yet we still won a cup... What does that tell you?
Torres was forced into handing in a transfer request? Is that what your actually saying?
Glad he's gone and we got 50m as well he wasn't putting in the effort for a while before we got rid.
MIKEY
Did torres not hand in a transfer request?
derryred
There will be no liverpudlian team in the top 4 this season
If we do achieve 4th spot, how will that make you look eh. Season after season we've been hearing the same rubbish from your lot, this is our year, we're gonna win the league, new era etc, etc
01 Nov 2012 10:37:08
Apologise in advance if this has been asked/answered before, but why didn't sahin play last night? Any news on the probable injury? Cheers lads, keep up the good work. {Ed002's Note - There is no injury.}
He'll play against Newcastle. My question is why didn't wisdom play. Henderson should have been in the middle with shelevy. Allen rested for Newcastle game. Johnson and Enrique play the Newcastle game. Would have worked out...
I think allen wanted to play that game.
derryred
01 Nov 2012 10:26:19
i keep reading that we need to trim the deadwood and have done for the last 4 or 5 seasons what size is the forrest to have so much dead wood, if you look back this deadwood was called for by the fans. joe cole is a typical example fans saying get him dont matter what he costs now he is over paid dead wood. how is it possible for the management to get it right when they bring players in it is not with the intention that they fail. i also remember the excitement when big andy was signed, ok it has not worked out but at least the club tried to get it to work. i will always support the club who as it happens i feel have got the team going in the right direction but some of the comments by the fans aimed against our players is quite frankly appalling. ray 3037
Simple answer to that question. English players do not have the quality nor the versitlity to play rogers system. Imagine England trying to play like Spain or barca...never going to happen. Foreign players perform better. FACT
01 Nov 2012 10:23:34
{Ed052's Note - Hello all. To cheer you all up after last nights defeat, I have just posted 5, yes 5!! New profiles on some of Liverpools youngsters for you to have a look at.
They are;
Dani Pacheco; http://player-profiles.co.uk/dani-pacheco.php
Danny Wilson; http://player-profiles.co.uk/danny-wilson.php
Adam Morgan; http://player-profiles.co.uk/adam-morgan.php
Conor Coady; http://www.youth-football.net/conor-coady.php
Michael Ngoo; http://www.youth-football.net/michael-ngoo.php
I hope that you enjoy them all and that you leave a comment, a question or a profile request. I will also try to put up some more profiles over the coming days. Thanks!!}
01 Nov 2012 10:20:24
I am talking specifically to all the lfc fans. Why are we complaining about getting knocked out of the capital one cup. I'm sorry but we don't have enough depth and quality to be playing in 3 competitions and I would much prefer to advance in The Europa league over the capital one cup. We had to rid of 1 competition because we could not cope playing every 3/4 nights. Now all we have to focus on from now to jan is Europa and EPL games. It was for the greater good that we got dumped out. Plus Swansea fielded their first teamers and we did far from that. We played headerson right back? Joe cole at the spearhead of the attack...what did you think was going to happen. We simply can't afford to take every competition seriously. But one thing that this does suggest is that we better have targets to bring in for jan otherwise I can't see this being a season to be optimistic about unfortunantly.
Soooo fickle , last year it was the bees knees , now its an inconvienience !!!
Fickle Fickle Fickle !
Much Love
Errrr.....are Gerrard, Suarez Sterling etc not first team?? you are picking excuses to suit your thinking. Much like BR.
The fact is
Brendan brought them on to try to stem the flow. If they had equalised he would have ended up with those players playing extra time and being on the field for almost 70mins.
What kind of thinking is that. Nuts. So he tried to win after half time. But only ended up risking the key players who would hopefully play against Newcastle this weekend.
No excuses Brendan. That's poor management.
Given up on the FA cup too?
Shanks and Paisley would be disgusted by LFC fans, players and managers who give up competitions.
Managers who complain about having a thin squad usually don't last much longer.
Start the search for a new man now Ayre.
You guys are deluded....seriously. WE DO NOT HAVE THE DEPTH AND QUALITY needed to compete in 3 competitions. I am not saying its a small cup or that we should never care about it, of course we should...but we CAN'T. Is that so hard to understand or are you guys 12 years old. We don't have the right size squad to play every 3/4 nights. It's not an excuse at all it's a fact. I would prefer to still be in the Europa league than in the FA cup and capital one cup. Due to the fact that we might not be playing In Europa at all next season. Capital one and FA cup come around every year. Wake up you deluded fans
Oh and to the second reply. Yes sterling, gerrard and Suarez coming on as substitutes is fielding your first team...yes a clap for you my friend. Learn what fielding your first team means before you try to make yourself look like a tool.
01 Nov 2012 10:14:56
love the rants on here Eds...But to cry for the sacking of BR is a disgrace..for the record that as holders of this cup no Lpool team has gone onto the quarters the following year!
Liverpool won the cup 4 seasons in a row in the eighties
01 Nov 2012 10:10:10
now to the game lastnight what happened,why was henderson at right back&whats worse he was paired up with downing onthe right hand side&if im not mistaken there goals in open play came from that side,there just not good enough & it makes it worse the amount of money we spent on them ,,downing 20mil disgraceful henderson 16to20mil hes young might get better if played in right position.that game was crying out for carroll the crosses assaidi put in in the first half & no one in there,br will get time but when jan comes & if we dont have astriker within the first week ,u can bet he,ll be let down again ,because everyone knows weve needed astriker or two for well over ayear &we should have all our enquiries done by then .personally ithink we,ll be goning for loan players&the owners will be hoping westham pay up for carroll ,id have him back 2moro but dont think we,ll see him in aliverpool shirt again so all the talk of the owners splashing the cash not achance ie remember demsey ..IRISH RED
01 Nov 2012 09:59:25
I am a bluenose and giving you a warning from our own experiences. Give Brendon a chance. If you keep changing managers you will end up going in different directions and styles. Sack him at your own peril. You have had too many changes in recent times. I think it is a recipe for disaster. You may have to suffer like we did for some years before we got the right man and gave him time to change things.
The 'fans' are complaining about the lack of money to buy new players but want to spend a fortune sacking a manager who is trying to get the team back on track. The fact is (and I have said it many times before) the club has decided that the way to go is not to spend massive amounts on new players but make progress from within the club. This is what is happening with players like Suso, Sterling and Wisdom. With regard to these TOP players that are wanted - they are also wanted by other smaller clubs like Barcelona,Real Madrid,the Milan clubs, the Manchester millionaires and the London lover-boys. At the present time we cannot compete with these clubs. We will be back where we belong before too long and it won't have cost a fortune to get there. Don't worry, be happy, and keep the faith!
Ben Terug
A bluenose saying "give Brendan a chance"
Translation: We bluenoses hope you keep this poor manager.
It's bad enough having to correct LFC fans without having to correct Everton fans.
In his first season Everton finished 7th with Moyes LMA manager of the year.
You didn't need to be that patient with him.
And the following season Moyes finished 17th. But we didn't sack him. And look where he has taken us on a shoestring. Yes, I expect the typical, standard reply of what has he won. The fact is his net spend is £1.2m a season, in sharp contrast to your what £50/60m. If Moyes had that kind of cash he would have won a few trophies i believe. Give the guy a chance, you're not going to get relegated are you ? It may be the job's come too early for him but you won't know that until he's been given time to lay down his foundations and impose his style of play
01 Nov 2012 09:56:24
the squad is not thin as many are suggesting we only are 1 striker short.
the problem is that the back up to the first eleven is not good enough or still young and not ready to play good and stable every match.
we should leave the young ones alone they need time to grow.
if downing henderson enrique cole were up to too standard we would not be talking about a thin squad.
BR came in and said we need some small changes in the squad mainly in midfield.
downing new winger
enrique new left defender
cole attacking midfielder
henderson midfielder
the striker we are missing
carra will retire so 1 central defender.
that 6 players,2 in january and 4 in summer.
if they are quality we wont be talking abt a thin squad.
lets be honest our first 11 is strong,thats it.
fsg need to invest some off their own money because they budget will not allow us to get 6 quality players in.
if they are willing to do that the coming years we will have a young squad and they will be able to take their money back slowly.
if they wont expect suarez sterling suso ect to leave.
other clubs will pray on our good players,they will think we are wounded and come for the kill
1st eleven is good 2nd 11 not so. Which gives you .............A THIN SQUAD!
01 Nov 2012 09:49:41
how times have changed. my brothers support chelsea,my father man utd and my friends barca and man utd respectively. do you have any idea how crap it is when your friends talk about champions league and you're the laughing stock?? just so all of you know here in south africa,liverpool is no longer compared to the likes of man utd,chelsea,barca,madrid,juve or even arsenal! we are known as the team challenging everton,newcastle,stoke etc for league places. do i care? no. because i support the greatest club human history. me and my mom are the proudest of proud liverpool supporters whether we have just beaten man utd 4-1 at old toilet or have just lost 4-0 to spurs or knocked out of the cup by northampton town. i wish all you moaners would shut up,get out a little more and realize that you are priveleged to support such a fantastic club,whether we win or lose. changing managers every season wont change a damn thing. i fully believe br will get it right whether that be this season or 3 years down the line. we've had such an awful few seasons behind us so i believe the tide will turn in our favour some time. all we gotta do is BELIEVE.
capetownred
Your a dying breed of fan capetownred. Great post, take the people calling for BR's head with a pinch of salt though my freind. If we win on the weekend, them same people will be calling him the best thing since Bob Paisley!
Apples ;96;
01 Nov 2012 09:44:09
jake marl a promising youngster is signing from barnet. he is a bright young 16 year old striker who has scored 27 goals in 30 games for the under 18s. barnet likely to recieve compensation .
YNWA
He's not that good tbh, watched him train, watched him play!
01 Nov 2012 09:40:12
We lost and deservedly so. Swansea played great counter attacking football, neat possesion play and all round wanted it more than we did.
The problem we had last night came before the whistle even blew, our team selection was wrong. Yesil doesnt look physically ready yet, Cole didnt look sharp enough, Carragher and Coates is a far to slow defensive combination and we had Henderson out of position at right back. Swansea must have fancied themselves big time, and they did! Congratulations to them and also to their supporters at that matter who travelled in extrordinary numbers to support their team.
We have alot of young players, some who are ready and some who clearly arent. The reason Suso and Sterling are ready is because they have been drafted in with our first team, playing alongside Gerrard and Suarez, not replacing them. We need to be starting our strongest players in every game. We havennt got a experienced squad so the world class players we have are going to have to work that little bit harder this term if we are to suceed. Once we get a foothold in the game, we can then replace Gerrard, Suarez, Sterling etc with the more in-experienced players and squad players, as they would be coming into a game where we already have the momentum. Last night we started cold, and it became apparent that we ran out of ideas very early on.
The counter attacking by them was sexy, quick and totally un-predictable. Our back 4 (back 2 at times) could not cope what so ever with the pace. When they lost the ball they would press hard on us to win the ball back, limiting our options and winning the midfield battle to go on and penetrate us futher. If anyone watched the game then they wouldnt need my analysis to say we were clearly out played.
Its easy for me to sit here and say Brendan got it wrong because he got it right against West Brom and Young Boys for that matter but the gamble never paid off last night and i think it will be a great lesson learned for BR.
Apples ;96;
Swansea showed us how to pass and move!
01 Nov 2012 09:28:31
Fortress Anfield under Bren
Played 10 Won 3 Drawn 3 Lost 4
Excuses so far : officials, luck, injuries, thin squad. {Ed052's Note - And unfortunately, all those excuses are justified; and look who we have had to play so far}
Well said ed- plus it was BRs first ten games, give the man a chance!
Igor Biscan {Ed052's Note - Yes, he has had 10 home games, and I think last night was probably the first poor performance?! But obviously he should have won all 10, Suarez should have score 35 goals, all the youngsters atleast 10, and we should have already won the league.}
"Look who we have had to play so far"
At home:
Gomel
Man City
Hearts
Arsenal
Man Utd
Udinese
Stoke
Reading
Anzhi
Swansea
P 10 W 3 D 3 L 4 Scored 12 Conceded 13
Ed52 i like your optimism but really that record is really poor we played well all last season just didnt convert the chances and have to say that record last year against these teams was a lot better br desicions are extremly poor tactics a poor liv have always played passing game but have been a lot better then this
mike {Ed052's Note - We have played even better this season and convertered more chances, so I dont understand why people are complaining!}
We have played better are u joking or wat last year we played the best we have in years but its all about results not possesion cant beleive u think we are playing better football sure ur watching same team shocking liverpool are dropping further further back we need big funding witch means three world class players one being a left back and robson his understudy striker and a goal scoring winger right sided to replace kuyt but only someone with speed have we got sixty mill no
mike
01 Nov 2012 09:20:18
Why is every one getting on BR's back? I for one m glad we lost yesterday, so we can concentrate on the league. Enough of this league cup rubbish, there is a reason why every top club fields its reserve players in the competition. Our target should be top4 and winning The FA cup. Not bothered about europa either.
Indian Buzzer {Ed052's Note - I was really pissed off when we lost last night. Really angry. But I wake up, and what does it matter - its a cup that will only stretch our squad, give us injuries and raise little or no finance really. And becuase the lads played poorly yesterday, hopefully that is their bad game out of their system. I am sure we will kick on in the league against Newcastle}
Why is everyone getting on BR's back?
Answer: his record is worse than Roy Hodgson and he has spent more money. Were you so supportive of Roy? {Ed023's Note -
Roy played terrible style of football and set the team up in some games to get a point, that's not the Liverpool way.
Brendan is bringing through youth and implementing his style of football on the team which is only going to get better the more acquainted the players get. If we all had a knee jerk reaction every time the team loses then we won't go anywhere but stay in the same spot or get worse.
Brendan Rodgers tried to sign Dempsey or Damiao on deadline day, Roy tried to sign Carlton Cole - imagine if he did have more money to spend, he would of bought us Cattermole and Cole.
We just need to be patient and not expect everything over night, we are setting the foundations for the future - a 'quick fix' isn't the answer; the sooner fans realise this the better. Some fans are setting themselves up for a BIG fall this season and it needs to STOP!}
01 Nov 2012 09:15:40
Harry Redknapp anyone ?
He can't be any worse than Gerrard downing Henderson cole and he would certainly tighten up the midfield think he would good job protecting the back four
Don't talk rubbish one bad performance and you want to change the manager???? What last night showed is that outside of our first team the majority of the squad isn't good enough
01 Nov 2012 09:11:40
Response to the excuse brigade
1) thin squad- IN: Allen, Borini, Assaidi, Sahin, Yesil
OUT: Bellamy, Adam, Kuyt, Rodriguez, Aurelio, Carroll, Spearing, Aquillani
Rodgers chose to get rid of a lot of internationals with premiership and European experience as well as a 35M pound striker and replaced them with inexperienced average players. Stop moaning Brendan.
2) premier league match is priority: really? This is the same premier league which sees us with 10 points from 9 games? The same premier league which presumably is not a priority when we play Anzhi a few days before a derby match.
Stop with the excuses, Rodgers is struggling and
his job is rightly under pressure. He has spent more than Roy Hodgson did and his record to date is worse.
Jeeeez, talk about over reacting to one bad performance. A blind man can see out league form is getting better and NO we never going to win the league but we'll do better tha nlast season. If you want to blame somone then blame both Commoli and KD for bring in the dross. BR is trying to sort the mess out
Bellamy and maxi wanted back to home, kuyt lack of chance under kenny and had his contract stated he can leave for 1m. aurelio? how many matches u think he could play a season?
I cannot get over the negative rodgers coments on here, the man is only new. Give him a chance, in my opinion he has spent the money well except for on borini who to be honest hasnt had a chance as a striker.
Allen - 15 mil is a steal in my opinion
Assiadi - Bargan at 3 mil
Sahin on loan
Considering our lack of cash i think he has done well
Whilst also getting rid of older players, Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, Aurelio and the glass man Aqua!
Would everyone at least give him till the end of the season before they start crying and calling for change
Igor Biscan
"Allen - 15 mil is a steal" I mean really? Smaller version of Scott Parker.......but cant tackle,stops attacking flow by constantly going sideways or backwards! Yet another example of Liverpool over spending.....KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Who said the 1st team is good enough
01 Nov 2012 09:07:38
After last nights performance at least one thing is now hopefully crystal clear to the board and that is the squad is crying out for some quality in depth. We should be easing some of these youngsters in and building up their confidence and not heaping all our expectations on their young shoulders as the pressure will show.
Our so called experienced players coming off the bench as it where; Joe Cole, Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing etc are Im afraid just not up to the task and wouldnt it be nice if we could do what Man City and Chelsea do and cut our losses and just get rid no matter how cheap they go for. But we unfortunately cannot afford to do that unless we have some heavy investment from the owners.
We have all been disappointed before waiting for strikers to arrive in the January transfer windows but I feel if we dont get at least 2 in (1 of which a proven goal scorer ) then I fear for our short team prospects as we will not qualify for Europe based on current performances and we will take a step back again in the summer by some potential targets insisting on european football.
I apologise for the doom and gloom but you have to feel sorry for Brendan at the moment and I only hope he gets the backing he deserves.
Kev the Red
01 Nov 2012 09:00:35
I simply cannot believe some of the guff on this page from last night. Do any of you negative moaning minnies get the bigger picture..at all?
BR doesnt give a toss about the Capitol One Cup. Of course he has to strike a balance and look like he's making the effort otherwise he gets a load of baloney from the type of 'supporters' on here. I know it's hard to swallow but anyone with any sense knows we simply cannot compete on four fronts this season.
BR is prioritising and I'm happy with that. League and Europa. I also bet you see a full strength squad in the FA cup. Someone said earlier..'take a citilopram'. I second that. We are doing ok. Really guys and girls.. considering what has gone on the last few years I really think it's all looking quite healthy.
I know FSG cocked up on a striker.. and yes..it's cost us..but I bet they splash in Jan.. just you doubters wait and see.
Everyone on here should be taking a leaf out of Rogers book and take the attitude of fighting for the cause. Half of Anfield isn't doing that at the minute and I'd say that's a big part of our psychology and subsequently our problem.
I guess (but hope they don't) some of the players read this site so everyone..lets just stick together and see what transpires between now and Feb.
COME ON YOU REDS!!
irishsimon.
Irishsimon spot on m8. Glad to see someone else can see whats gong on. Good post
01 Nov 2012 08:57:50
Hang on a minute? Swansea played Saturday then Wednesday..
We played, Thursday, Sunday, then Wednesday. Forgive me ifim wrong, but thats 3 games in 6 days for us. Gerrard, Suarez and i think Allen played in every game at some point. Our squad was spread thin over the last (less than a) week.
Cut Rodgers some slack people.
YNWA! (Adam)
I was saying at the start of the season that our squad was too thin to challenge on so many fronts.
We need to target our resources appropriately and I for one am not losing any sleep over being knocked out of a Cup we won last year.
01 Nov 2012 08:48:22
Rodgers is useless.He has one way of playing no plan b. I think he will be sacked before x mas. This will give a new manager time to get rid of the crap and sign some decent players. The league table don't lie even after 10 games now we are out of the cup too just gets worse.
I don't know, I heard he bought the new Plan B album for his car. I think you have Ill Manors.
MUSHROOM
01 Nov 2012 09:10:26
I wont ask if you watched it, because that much is obvious.
But did you even read the match report vs Everton? Rodgers changed the whole formation, and angle of attack, and should have gotten 3 points for his troubles. Shut up.
YNWA! (Adam)
So if hes sacked which i very much doubt it then who are we going to get .....
BigD
Did you watch the merseyside derby?
his style in the first half wasnt working and he changed it at half time and we looked alot better.
yesterday it was simply we didnt have the players to win the game. Not his fault he inherited a bad team full of over paid english players.
Henderson, Downing need to be gone. They are a waste in our squad no end. He can't play gerrard and suarez all the time we still need the Europa and a decent league campaign and the FA cup.
You need to calm down and face it we cant win every game. Not possible at the moment.
Why is it since Barcelona lost to Chelsea everyone keeps going on about plan b , How many times has plan a let them down I think we should carry on with the style we have eventually everything will come together
Theproblem is no plan a
01 nov 2012 08:43:31
i havent seen no any better anfield enviroment since benitez left, not even mourinho, guardiola, lippi, bielsa, or guardiola, would match wot we had during benitez moments, we used 2 win and enjoy, we used 2 lose and enjoy, and even draw we used 2 enjoy, under benitez we were never outplayed, even when we played against barca, madrid or man u, we were never outplayed, we might have lost but not outplayed.
I don't know I remember a game, not sure which year, but Barca absolutely played us off the park. It was men v boys that night. I think we lost 4-0
MUSHROOM
Actually we have only won one league cup (under KING Kenny) since Gillet and Hicks arrived.
If we're being honest, that is when the rot set in. However, they did let Rafa buy Torres and Mascherano.
Agree but you have to move on. New owners and different era. Rafa moved on and didn't perform in his Jobs hence he doesnt have one at the moment.
Let's just keep the faith. We outplayed Utd and City this year. Just poor Transfer window hit us hard. But not managers fault. Would of been same under Rafa, that was why he left after all.
We didmt lose to barca 4-0 under rafa. I think it was houllier
hounsred
When did Barcelona ever beat us 4-0?? I can remember the 3-1 defeat at Anfield around 2002 as Xavi ran the show
01 Nov 2012 08:37:03
I just wonder....do Swansea play the long ball too? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01 Nov 2012 08:20:38
I don't get why we picked Yesil instead of Adam Morgan last night,the boys done wonders at every age group.
King Luis
I dont think it mattered who we played, there wasnt any chances for any striker to finish and what do you expect with cole as your cam.
01 Nov 2012 08:17:04
Just want to say what a fantastic set of fans swansea brought with them, they never stopped singing...liverpool fans on the other hand were deathly silent for most of the game. But then again what do you expect with hard to remeber wordy anthems like fields of anfield road and dirges like liverpool, liverpool, liverpool liverpoolzzzzzz to try and inspire the team. No wonder no one sings!
Swansea chants where short easy to sing along to and importantly funny, either supporting their own or having a go at liverpool...your teeth were offside, your teeth were offside, luis suarez, your teeth offside..made such a refreshing change from you know what you are...genius.
Time for a new songbook at anfield i reckon
A wind-up merchant eh?
Well it is school holidays afterall.
Swansea's team gave them something to sing about.
'' Swansea's team gave them something to sing about ''.....
Well well well...I have been an Evertonian for a very long time and never have I seen LFC fans throw in the towel... nope not once!
Not until now that is :)
Blue247
01 Nov 2012 08:14:07
Another set or peice goal remind me again who plays like stoke ????
01 Nov 2012 07:59:05
Very clear from last night's match that the squad is thinner than very thin. Not much to offer beyond the starting 11, and the on-field squad last night would even struggle in the Championship. There's a clear and large gap in talent between the starting 11 and the rest. The tactics, the speed and the execution are nowhere near similar. The best example is when one of the back four passes back to Jones only to have the ball lobbed deep into the midfield, every single time, whereas Reina would pass it on to maintain possession.
We're paying for buying 3 players (with huge amounts) who are not present or effective in the starting 11 (Carroll, Downing, Henderson). We need a world class striker, a right winger and a centre back this January desperately (left-back can be sorted between Enrique, Johnson, Robinson & Downing). ra1969
Those players you are criticising got the team to two cup finals and into Europe.
So who is to blame them or the management who don't get the best out of them. They've already proven they can win trophy. BR is sorely lacking in that department. I think you need to remember the team finished 8th having played without Suarez for a quarter of last season.
So far in comparison this season is a failure. The facts speak for themselves. Leaving the team with one striker is the ultimate incompetence. Jmac
Jmac - I agree with you about having only one striker being the ultimate incompetence, but if you put it into perspective it may have turned out to be a blessing in disguise. a) I doubt Sterling, Suso & Assaidi would have gotten as many chances as they have to shine as they have. b) It was necessary for FSG to show they were not going to be held to ransom anymore, nor blow 100 Million every summer.
Another perspective that shows Rodgers does not have the squad he wants (my comment about thin) is the fact that the team he coached last year beat us soundly playing with mostly his old players and playing the system he set up while there. I wasn't criticizing those 3 players - was simply saying they don't fit into his system. And it's a shame given the amounts spent on acquiring them. ra1969
01 Nov 2012 07:17:10
Thoughtt some of the players were ok, hendo covered rb alrightt, downing was the only real threat first half. Coates looks to be ready for the 1st team, but Allen lost the ball too often, cole added nothing and Yesil had the first touch of a slug
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01 Nov 2012 00:42:31
Ed, now that we are out of the only cup we had a realistic chance of winning and defending - what would have been the first back to back trophies for a longtime...
What quality striker is going to pledge his career to LFc with no prospect of euro football until 2014/15 season. If that.
Its been a totally shortsighted approach ny BR. The team must now finish within the top 6 or be without Europe experience for a long time. Potentially alot of revenue and alot of potential future fans being turned off. where is the sense in not taking the cup seriously?
Jmac
01 Nov 2012 05:55:09
I wonder what kind of squad we would have now, had BR been given that 120million wasted by Kenny. We should be proud of BR, getting to this point with such a thin squad. I agree dt last night was not a good performance from us but we should never expect Christmas everyday. I would rather take yesterday's loss against Saturday's. Yesterday's gone now, we need to shift our attention to Saturday and give maximum support to the team. O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)
Rodgers still had the £120 million of talent wasted by Daglish as you put it. Now maybe he moved some of them on as he deemed them not good enough for his style. Thats his choice. He also then got some of his own players in ( top 10 net spend in europe). Rodgers is the captain of our ship and the results stop with him. There are no excuses. We have lost the only trophy we won last year and we have started the league campaign a lot worse than last year. Theres no point glossing over it with romantic ideas of a 3 year project. We are now also leaking goals alarmingly compared to last year. Is this down to our still of football? I certainly wont be happy if we finish the season with no trophies, no cup finals and we finish between 6th and 8th. I see that as a backward step on last season and Rodgers should meet the same fate as Kenny. I hope it doesnt pan out like this but if it does then Rodgers isnt the saviour as a lot of people hoped he would be.
The Irish Rover
Rover,
You have to understand, if you keep changing manager every year at the club as it stands, we will never get back to challenging...we need a period of stability
It is not a romantic notion...it is common sense.
Paul Mc
A question, are you BR moaners happy with a new manager EVERY year? ie we give a new man one season only then chuck him?
if any of you say yes you know nothing about a) football b) liverpool fc
"Rodgers still had the £120 million of talent wasted by Daglish as you put it."
Er, sorry, but there was no £120m of talent. It was about £50m...unfortuantely, £120m was sanctioned to purchase this so called talent.
01 Nov 2012 04:53:35
Its always funny coming on here after we lose.
I used to get frustrated reading the comments on here from people after a loss.
Now, it just makes me laugh because iv'e realised that not all Liverpool fans are supporters. Some, are only Liverpool followers.
Lee {Ed049's Note - Word.}
Maybe some just don't like sitting back and swallowing the taste of defeat? Maybe some are trying to find the root cause of the problem? And maybe they don't mind treading on toes in order to want the best and find the best in order to be the best?
Maybe you just like a good moan.
rb
01 Nov 2012 04:18:17
Hi ed
I know this is about transfers but when do you think assaidi will gain a first team starting spot?
Thanks YNWA {Ed049's Note - He may get get his chances in Europa league and FA cup.}
01 Nov 2012 03:55:32
This game just showed how thin our squad is, I mean in the first half we didn't impose any danger whatsoever. Obviously Joe Cole has nothing to offer, hopefully he goes in January somehow. Henderson,Downing still look clueless, they're scared when having the ball.
Without Suarez on the pitch nothing is really happening, just pointless passing about. It's a shame we're still in the position where we have to rely on a few players. Hopefully a year from now will look all better, hopefully!
Bring on NUFC!
HK
01 Nov 2012 03:27:54
Hi Ed,
Will sterling be playing for us next season?
Or will he choose to move from Liverpool?
Thanks {Ed049's Note - We'll have to wait and see, In my opinion, he'll sign an extension and stay at Liverpool.}
With no European football likely until at least 2014/15. Why should Sterling stay to help the BR experiment. Sterling might not make it to 2015 injury free, and he owes BR nothing, he was brought to the club by others and given his debut by previous management. If I were Sterling's agent I would be looking for top money to stay, around the Walcott level or above. Why should he take less, when he has turned out to be the unplanned replacement for Borini and Carroll. Sterling has probably saved BRs job this early in the experiment, given the other two main incomers have proved to be ineffectual going forward.
01 Nov 2012 03:13:01
Hi guys I'm a general football fan but I want I know you thoughts on joe Allen. Personally I think he isn't a bad player but 15 million was a rip off you could have got a player to do the same job for 6-7 million. Also realistically where do you think lfc will finish this year?
Cheers
I think theres a few factors contributing to the amount paid for allen.
1. we had an agreement to not sign swansea players for 12 months
2. the longer a player has on their current contract the more a team has to pay to complete the transfer. i dont know how long allen had left on his swansea contract but considering how big a fan B.R is of him it was probably long.
3. at 22 we are paying for potential as will as current ability
NZL_red
01 Nov 2012 02:37:22
Answer this.u pathetic fans what if rodgers starts with a strong team today..then we loose to newcastle on saturday..its till the same fools that would blame rodgers for playing our best team in the carling cup..now we loose and you're making a big deal out of it..like we have a fantastic second team that can beat anybody..wtf do people want from this guy??
You have been playing a strong team all this while in the league, how many points do you have ?
We made a big deal about winning this cup last year so why shouldn't we make a big deal about getting beat 3-1 at home , support the team in every way but be realistic / we are very poor and we are building up average young players too much. keep the faith .red mick tag
Be nice to hear from original poster if we don't win on Sunday
"You have been playing a strong team all this while in the league, how many points do you have ?"
We have 5 points less that we could have had if a couple of dodgy decisions hadn't gone against us. Of course, at the end of the season, we may gain 5 dodgy points.
When Liverpool fans complain about decisions going against them the response is often that these decisions balance out at the end of the season. Lets wait until then to get a better understanding of the strength of our team.
01 Nov 2012 02:24:23
We killed man city and we almost destroyed man utd with 10 men. We lack consistency, if the team can play like they did against city and utd, with better finishing of course LOL, we would be unstoppable. I will not make any comments about the Swansea match, they were class out there today. As for the Everton match, that tactical switch at half time just shows the class of Rodgers, to be honest, I thought it was the stupidest decision ever by Rodgers.
BADGER
Bodger, that's called raising your game 10 fold when the big boys are in town
11 millions for unfinisher (borini), jacson martinez 8 goals already wif porto, jovetic a natural goal scorer, wait a moment both r natural goal scorer, and wot rodgers does let some 1 hu cud start scoring goal this season (carrol), and rely on borini another kuyt and no were near him, kuyt was regular at dutch team, borini no were near 4 italy, im sure this guy is destroying our team, below 8th and trofy here we go.
Killed Man City, destroyed Man Utd
Points = 1
Conceded = 4
Here endeth the lesson
Below 8 and trofyless sorry
01 Nov 2012 01:49:56
I think Liverpool should sell Brenden Rodgers, He's been awfull so far this season. He's not scored a single goal for us yet and his goalkeeping errors have cost us points Pepe should be picked before him, And defensivly he's shocking i mean the back pass against City sums his defending up, But most importantly he's done NOTHING in midfield no assist nothing !!!!!!
Oh wait he's not out there playing is he ?
Maybe its the players fault after all hmmm........
01 Nov 2012 01:07:58
Is suarez suspended for newcastle cause he got yellow didnt he
Capitol One Cup isn't FA sanctioned so nope no suspension.
McSnuggles
01 Nov 2012 01:07:35
The most disappointing thing for me was taking Yesil off. I would have liked Cole to go out for Suso and seen the kids have a chance to pull it back. Lobbing Gerrard and Suarez on was a mistake I think.
01 Nov 2012 00:46:42
DONT gety Sturridge LFC never looks up, greedy, s ite actually
01 Nov 2012 00:40:28
Nice goal tonight lads right from the stoke and everton copybook.
How so? It was a free-kick played in from the left-hand-side of the pitch about 25 yards out?
Hardly like Stoke or Everton where they lump it forward from the keeper or defence is it.
I think you better look at the stats for the Everton game. Lfc did the majority of the long ball punts. Efc had greater possession and made far more passes.
Need to look at the facts. Which is why SG had to retract his hasty statement.
Don't let BR hype fool you.
01 Nov 2012 00:40:13
Carra's well finished and Stevie will be end've this season-S ite
But try telling them that
01 Nov 2012 00:39:12
Sh te! Why 2 slow centre half's? We aint getting in Champ's Leauge and surrender a possible Euro place like that! Fans should be re inbursed. Sick of suffering/being a laughing stock. Could've had Home game to Boro.Fenway back B.R or f off! Squad aint strong enough-we knew that. Now maybe they do
Fsg gave br 26million but he wasted it on borini and allen this goes with the 80million + they gave to kk so do not blame fsg i blame the people who wanted these average expensive players, red mick tag
01 Nov 2012 00:24:28
Need to get this of my chest and write some stuff. What crap have I just watch? 3-1 to Swansea...are you kidding me? How much are we paying cole, £90k a week and we get that ****. Shelvey is as lazy as they come, Suarez needs to learn how to pass and Gerrard for that matter, carra needs to retire asap, how much time does Allen think he has on the ball and why are we so crap with the final ball?
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LIVERPRES
01 Nov 2012 00:15:03
Ed's how do ye remain sane after liverpool lose. I didn't get to see the match, obviously a very poor result but coming on here reading posts from so called fans calling for Rodgers head it really is pathetic. I am lucky that I know a few very good pool fans, there are some left that will support the team and manager, win, lose or draw. All the rest that can't hack gettin beat in the carling cup when we have a thin squad and need pl points more than anything do us all a favour please don't tell people that you support the pool as u only embarass the real fans. Rant over.
Meath Red
How have the fans stayed sane after watching the team over at least the last 3 years , 4 managers now and still getting woprse and worse please make it stop and lets get pride and passion on the field and this will be reciprocated by the fans.red mick tag ynwa
01 Nov 2012 00:06:43
Jeez, fell asleep on the sofa and had the worst dream. We were getting outplayed at fortress anfield by SWANSEA, and ended up crashing out of the only competition we had any chance of winning this season...
Still, could have been worse, last night i dreamt we were in the bottom half of the Prem, having wet dreams about beating READING cos it took us 3 pts nearer safety...
Many thanks to the players tonight - lads, you made us proud...
Ïts not a fortress anymore, the walls are made of sand.
Well maybe BR realised that the league cup does count for nothing in the owners eyes.
Well, hopefully we can win something els.
We got outplayed by Swansea at fortress Anfield last season, but managed to scrape a draw.
31 Oct 2012 23:57:59
Lets be honest here we are supposed to be a team in transition who are going with the youth but how can these youngsters be given a chance when Gerrard and Suarez are brought on to try and win us a game IMO Gerrard is on his last legs but how long are we going to keep wheeling him out hoping he can do the business I really think this should be his last season with us and we do actually give these kids a chance because in are current state would they be much worse
Did they not do the utmost for the team, which asks me are u doing the utmost for the team. slandering the very players that r helping the youth progress and obviously u arent
livlim
Disagree with pretty much every word of your rant.
ND