Liverpool Banter Archive September 01 2016

 

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01 Sep 2016 22:11:34
Hi Ed002 Just wondering if you had any news on possible incomings in the january window. Only messin fella Thanks for all the info over the summer it is greatly appreciated (by some)

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01 Sep 2016 22:03:18
Everbright want complete ownership of LFC and now some members of FSG are trying to push John W Henry towards selling the club,1billion pounds is being offered, perhaps when I posted a while back that big Jan Molby told me that there will be some exciting news regarding FSG he might have been right
(Info all of tomorrow's newspapers)

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01 Sep 2016 22:35:07
They have denied it.


01 Sep 2016 23:20:55
This everbright lot make the city lot look poor. Exactly what we need!


02 Sep 2016 00:47:53
Dats awesome news. Cash rich owners will want nothing less than Griezmann / suarez class of signings.


02 Sep 2016 04:33:30
Everbright have stated categorically that they have no interest in sports investment - there are multiple news artciles that confirm this - it would be a surprise if they had made a u-turn on such a statement in only a couple of days.


02 Sep 2016 06:15:56
FFP - stands for Financial Fair Play 😉.


02 Sep 2016 08:38:13
It's my understanding of FFP that it's not how rich your owners are, it's measured against your commercial incoming. Is this right ed?


{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

02 Sep 2016 08:39:44
Except they're state owned. Will the Chinese government really waste tax payers cash on lfc?


02 Sep 2016 12:20:15
That's why I mentioned FFP, it doesn't matter how rich your owners are anymore.


02 Sep 2016 14:00:09
Curious then but does FFP really make the footballing world financially fair? What I mean is there are a number of established teams, with well established income streams, that smaller clubs could not hope to equal (n. b. I'm not suggesting money = on field success - Leicester a case in point - merely that it helps) . The only way for a "smaller" club to break into that monopoly of the rich would surely to receive investment from a wealthy owner/ organisation via takeover. Does the FFP not, in someway, actually maintain the balance of wealthy clubs/ non-wealthy clubs? Or is it actually a fairer way? I understand they help protect clubs from going out of business, and that is a good thing, but I just wondered about the aspect of 'fairness'.


01 Sep 2016 21:02:03
Hi ed 002, if you are around, I would like to know your views on the financial side of Liverpool's summer window business? I think its fantastic that the club managed to recoup more money than they spent while still strengthening the squad (bar full-backs of course) .

You have said in the past that Liverpool need to curb their spending and get white elephants off the books to stop losing money. With the TV deal money also inbound, how much pressure do you think this window's business would have lifted off the owners' shoulders?

Any response would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Financially Liverpool have done well this window. We will see how it pans out on the pitch. obviously the television money is very welcome.}

01 Sep 2016 23:20:52
Good to hear, Ed.


02 Sep 2016 01:32:05
It's going to happen eventually it's just a matter of who an when, wouldn't be taking much interest in what any of the papers say about it though if I'm honest.


02 Sep 2016 04:27:13
But eds, come think about it, the tv money advantage is applied across board to all clubs. What it serve is just inflate the prices of players. of course a club can do less purchase and spend the money on other in vestments like bigger stadium better dressing rooms better youth program etc. so it really is not a competitive advantage to Liverpool.


{Ed002's Note - Nobody said it was a competitive advantage to Liverpool - you need to read the osts more carefully.}

01 Sep 2016 20:49:11
Ed002, sorry to be a pain but regarding transfer fees we made a profit. When you include all the agent fees etc with the transfer fee (which you have so kindly listed several times here before) do we still have a profit?
Thanks and excellent job this transfer window once again, I don't know what we would have done without you!

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

01 Sep 2016 21:58:51
Thanks, it's easy to forget everything but the transfer fee.


01 Sep 2016 20:33:14
Hey ed01!

A question for you, when you have the time: do you think that this year Klopp will find a winning formula for the home games?

For a large portion of last season, they seemed a vexing problem for our team. It is crucial to turn this around, as we have shown that we have the potential to grind points out in enough away games.

Personally, I am a cautious optimist; we saw some very efficient home performances in the UEFA last year, and I think that Klopp will manage to replicate this and turn Anfield into a fortress again during this season.

However, I am looking forward to hearing your opinion as well. I think that home form will prove the difference between a mediocre and successful season this year, so it is absolutely crucial to hit it right!

Here is to hoping the Wijnaldum will manage to replicate his 11 home goals from last season.

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{Ed002's Note - Ed001 won't be around much for a while.}

01 Sep 2016 20:56:06
Oh, my bad. Hope everything is ok with him? His input is greatly appreciated.


01 Sep 2016 21:22:05
Drigan, those 11 goals he scored were 8 in 3 games, 3 In the remaining 35,i wasn't impressed when we signed him, and am certainly not writing a player off after 3 games but hasn't done much yet either.


01 Sep 2016 21:41:35
There are bound to be transfer failures each summer, Port red, I think Paul Tomkins listed something like a 50% success rate on his site. From the bunch we brought, Wijnaldum is the one I worry most about.
However, there is potential there, he was touted as one of the top prospects in Holland, and during the autumn looked good for Newcastle. However, he needs to up his game for us, especially in the middle, he goes missing far too often, and not in the good way of descrete playmakers.
Early days though, let's keep our fingers crossed for the lad, he might well surprise us all!


01 Sep 2016 19:03:45
It's always interesting to see where the players that leave your club each transfer window actually go. I would suggest that none of the players that have left Liverpool this summer have gone to bigger or better clubs. That must be telling us all that they were not needed here and not necessarily good enough for the elite. That should be reassuring to all fans surely. No Suarez to Barcelona or Sterling to MCFC this time around. Let's kick on.

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01 Sep 2016 19:26:27
It also shows that although the window was by no means perfect it was a step in the right direction, we got rid of those who weren't good enough and replaced them with players who had ambitions of going where we want to go (champions league and beyond) and are the required quality.


01 Sep 2016 20:27:35
Is it not a concern?
That despite not having CL football, or in fact any European football, no clubs wanted any of our players as they wouldn't make a difference to their squads?

We have, I agree, binned off those not good enough for our first team.


01 Sep 2016 22:58:41
Wavy, I agree it's positive that we have moved on a significant number of players that weren't adding to our 1st team. By the same token it shows a) how poor our judgement has been in previous windows (Benteke, Balotelli) and b) we haven'the been great at development (Yesil, Markovic, etc al) . Let's hope that we are upping our game in both areas under Klopp.


02 Sep 2016 00:39:47
No it isn't a concern is it. They were deemed not to be good enough at Liverpool and no other top teams came in to get them. That's the point. They have gone to what we might all consider to be 'lesser' teams to have a career. The point being that we have not lost any brilliant players this window that other elite clubs ŵere after.


02 Sep 2016 04:28:59
They may not be going to bigger club but they are definitely getting a bigger pay cheque than rotting in our reserves.


01 Sep 2016 18:06:01
I know we are feeling a little let down when you look around at what other clubs have bought in.

I feel our only problem is self belief, if we can win the next 3 gamea, the momentum may take us all the way to the top.

But if we continue to win one, lose one, draw another then Iam worried abt our season. Plus these friggin injuries just never seem to stop.

To conclude, I am optimistic and hopefull.

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01 Sep 2016 18:32:59
"I feel our only problem is self belief"

As Klopp said we have to change from doubters to believers. I'd say it's not our only problem, but it's a big issue.
There's also this mentality that the only solutions are in the transfer window. That's nonsense. Coaching and training are far more important. We may not have found a solution to the left back issue in the transfer window, so we'll adapt and improvise and overcome. Milner will probably end up as one of the best left backs in the premier league this season.
There isn't 1 single team in the premier league that we can't out score, we have scored more premier league goals than any other team in 2016. There isn't 1 manager that Klopp can't get the better of.
People may think I'm crazy but I have bought into the "believer" role 100%. Our manager wanted it so I'm going all in. I genuinely think we will win the title this season. Klopp wants believers, let's give him 100%. There'll be bumps in the road but we must not lose that 100% belief. It's all about the destination, not the journey. 😎.


01 Sep 2016 18:47:44
I agree 100%.

Spending money is not a magical fix for our problems. And we need to accept that we arn't going to win or play 'AMAZING' football for 90 minutes for the next 35 league games, but with the momentum and belief we CAN be there.


01 Sep 2016 19:11:17
OK Ron L. I'm in. Yee haw! let's Go!


01 Sep 2016 19:52:36
Top man Ron

Your infectious enthusiasm always offers me a little hope!
Belief can be misguided sometimes but at least it's generally positive. We need all the positivity going right now.


01 Sep 2016 20:19:46
I love your optimism Ron. I'm just happy that the premier league season is back after the summer and I have weekend entertainment. Love to watch the reds every weekend and believe that Klopp is going to take us to the top. Let's prove wrong all of the doubters and win the league.


01 Sep 2016 20:57:09
Great post Ron.


01 Sep 2016 23:50:31
Ron, you must be a professional motivational speaker or something, because I am now thinking we got the league in the bag. Nice to see some positivity.

Cheers,

Coop.


02 Sep 2016 07:21:53
A couple of wins in the next 2 league matches and you'll all be with me 🏆.


01 Sep 2016 18:05:55
When FSG announced they were expanding the stadium they said it would go to 58k capacity eventually and it can't go further.

Does anyone know if there is a rough date for this or is it just "in the future"?

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{Ed002's Note - There is no date and I doubt if Phase 2 will happen under these owners. This has been dealt with previously.~

01 Sep 2016 18:27:39
Well I didn't realise it had been dealt with, I don't visit the site every day. Can you tell me what to search to read what was said? Does it state why phase 2 won't happen?


{Ed002's Note - Perhaps "Phase 2" would be a good thing to search for. Phase 2 will eventually happen but the costs are prohibitive given the returns. Financially it makes no sense for these owners to do.}

01 Sep 2016 20:59:09
Cheers matey.


01 Sep 2016 14:26:07
ed001 now the last minute trolley dash has ended I would like to hear your thoughts on joel matip's debut vs spurs, personally I thought he was assured on the ball and did well in both boxes, bigger tests still to come no question but I thought he did well.

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{Ed001's Note - can you remind me on the 5th please kk7? Only it is difficult to type a proper answer on a phone and the internet etc is off here already for me to move in a couple of days. They said it would take 48-72 hours to process yet it was off by the time I got home 20 minutes later....}

01 Sep 2016 20:19:36
Probably the best debut CB performance for us that i personally witnessed (i know he played vs burton too before some smartie picks at that) For context i have caught almost every game since sheffield utd away 2006. I remember the week after signing him he played in europa for schalke and gave away a goal and just looked another dodgy gangly player so i made a foolish snap judgememt and was very worried, but he looked very assured vs spurs.


01 Sep 2016 22:08:34
Couldn't agree more Lfc fan.


02 Sep 2016 03:24:27
will do ed001.


02 Sep 2016 07:28:27
I actually thought he looked a bit shaky in the first half. Bpl is a different ball game and to make your debut away to Spurs is a baptism of fire. In the 2nd half he coped much better with the pressing of Spurs.

One thing that has struck me the most is how crisp his passing is and that he's always looking to pass forwards! I'm really hopeful of matip and think he could be a very dependable CB.


01 Sep 2016 17:22:40
Question for edoo2 if she's available. In your opinion, what does the club need to do to start being respected and professional again? Ed001 mentioned we need to bring people in who know the game. Got any more?

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{Ed002's Note - Change owners, change manager, behave responibly.}

01 Sep 2016 17:31:37
Why do you think we should change the owners?


{Ed002's Note - I don't think the club needs to change owners.}

01 Sep 2016 18:08:12
I was hoping for your opinion, not the ones protesting and demanding we spend a rubbish load of money we don't have every transfer period or the ones demanding we change the manager every time we lose a game. I do agree with behaving responsibly though.


{Ed002's Note - These are what the club would need to do in order to stand any chance of other clubs having any respect for Liverpool at all.}

01 Sep 2016 18:16:10
Jurgen Klopp leaving would not increase the chance of Liverpool gaining respect surely?


{Ed002's Note - It certainly would.}

01 Sep 2016 18:21:16
Like I keep saying Fsg like looking for a bargain not the ready made player . They can challenge the likes of United city Chelsea Arsenal on ster players. That's not hating on Fsg . They have ready said this.


{Ed002's Note - FSG did not pick the players.}

01 Sep 2016 18:36:38
In my opinion we need only behave professionally and stop acting like the world should bow before us.
If they don't respect us then, then Tango Sierra. I don't want other clubs to respect us, I just want our representatives to have some integrity.


{Ed002's Note - You obviously have no understanding whatsoever.}

01 Sep 2016 19:57:09
The Zielinski debacle sums it all up Ron. We tapped him up, then we wouldn't budge on our valuation acting like our rubbish don't stink. Bottom line, if they don't respect there is no way to do any kind of good business.


01 Sep 2016 23:03:42
At the end of the day, business is fundamentally based on trust. Trust is hard to earn and easy to break. I suspect that we are now in the position of having to start from rock bottom.


02 Sep 2016 20:10:35
Being professional? you mean like not using bare hands while eating?


01 Sep 2016 17:26:01
I guess there are a lot of disappointed fans over the lack of LB signed this window. Overall though, we added at least one star (Mane) and I like Grujic. I have to agree with most in here that we are light on the LB and RB positions, and injuries could really expose us. I hope we can recall Flanno if necessary.
My bigger concern is for the central midfield. I would have loved to sign Kante, or similar type of player. medel's name was banted around and I was really hoping that one came off, though I don't know if this was just Twitter talk.

Anyway, we have our squad, and I think we will have some entertainment this season. In the end, isn't that what it's all about?

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02 Sep 2016 00:01:28
your right coop, were going to see lots of goals, at both ends . we did really well getting Mane, had we got him on the last day, our fans would have been very pleased, the others that we have bought in, are mostly potential, we can just hope they all come good, I am still going for us to finish 5th or 6th, mostly because of full backs, and goalie weakness .


01 Sep 2016 15:49:10
Can I recommend a podcast or live debate between Ed001 and Ed002 on Klopp? The opinions on him seem to completely different, I really respect the both of your opinions and would love to hear (or see) you discuss him and if you think he'll be successful with Liverpool. Personally I think his charisma covers up some of his flaws, but we have seen some incredible performances under him and if he can get consistency then he'll bring us success. Thoughts?

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01 Sep 2016 16:20:52
I think if the two met they'd rip a hole in the space time continuum destroying all life as we know it. It's not worth the risk.


01 Sep 2016 16:37:59
Yep link the sound of that, get it together boys.


01 Sep 2016 17:17:40
Ed002 won´t have time for that, his a part time rodeo clown, which requires a lot of training. Also rumours has it, that he is starting agility training with wonderdog Sparky, seems like it won´t be in the near future.


01 Sep 2016 17:59:02
an ongoing debate that won't be stopped halfway due to abuse? i'd like that.


01 Sep 2016 18:54:15
You should check out ed002's conversation with ozone, in which she articulated her views on Klopp eloquently and relatively even handedly; without the usual sparkling sarcasm she deploys for what she regards as dumb questions.


01 Sep 2016 15:47:54
Hi ed002,

How have you rated our transfer window? Do you think our weakness at left back and failure to improve in that area will haunt Klopp come the end of the season? Your views greatly appreciated.

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{Ed002's Note - Mané is a very good player and should work out fine. Klavan is padding and will probably be OK - nothing special at all. Matip will be OK but nothing special. Grujic has the chance to be a very good player indeed - but needs a little time to learn. Wijnaldum was not needed. Karius is a decent goalkeeper - but nothing special. Manninger was a good player to bring in as cover. Klopp is comfortable with his LB options - we will see if that works out.}

01 Sep 2016 16:14:19
Great summary although I rather hope that Karius and/ or Matip turn out a little better than you predict, still too early to say.


01 Sep 2016 17:24:06
I respect your opinion, Ed but I think Matip and Grujic long term will pan out to be much, much better than decent. Like you tho, I continue to think that Wijnaldum was a luxury that was definitely not needed and his perfs have not proven me wrong at all. I am still open to being proven wrong.


01 Sep 2016 14:51:28
Hello ed's I was wondering if you could give me your opinion on the whole debate surrounding U23's, Reserves, U21's etc.

As someone in there early 20's I don't have much insight into the days before the BPL but the whole system with U23's and First Team really baffles me. It seems as though the whole system regresses year on year. In my mind the best way for a reserve team to work would be to get all of your best players up until 21, 22 to play together in a reserve team.

Loans seem to have come in as a solution to providing young players with a competitive football experience but especially in Liverpool's case there doesn't seem to be much co-ordination or long term planning in place for players futures.

In my opinion regardless if Luis Alberto or Markovic are seen as good enough, if we had all our bright talents playing together in a second team, learning game then letting them play the odd first team game it would work better. I've spoken to a lot of older fans and they tell me of the days it was normal for a player, regardless of the fee to play a season in the reserves before joining up with the first team.

When did it become a thing of shame to be played in the reserves, or a place simply used for first team fitness? I've watched our under 23's train a few times this season and it should be called the U16's! Any half decent player is shipped of to another league 1, championship or league two club. Surely them all playing and developing together would be much more beneficial. I am no expert at all so please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

Thanks!

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{Ed002's Note - If the U23 league takes off there will be less need to loan players. But there is a massive financial overhead to keeping the likes of Markovic at the club - hence his loan.}

01 Sep 2016 15:09:31
Thank you for the quick reply. I understand the financial overhead is huge, he was potentially a bad example but I can't help but feel that there has been a change in the culture of clubs that view (regardless of the name) the U23's as a step down to play in. The class of 90 grew up playing together through the united ranks, not all being loaned out constantly. I just feel as though if the club stated we'd keep all our most promising players and let them grow together, develop not only as players but a love for the club. If these lads are getting shipped up and down the country they seem to lose that hunger, something the local lads like flanagan have because they understand the importance of the badge. Even cara, once a blue became a red because of his attachment to the club. What needs to happen in order to ensure the U23 league takes off?


{Ed002's Note - The U23 league needs people attending games, players to stick at it, television coverage and all clubs to take part in order to survive.}

01 Sep 2016 16:55:15
Eds would a system similar to the Spanish and I think some German teams with a second team playing in lower leagues not be beneficial and curb the amount of loans a bit? I can't say I know the ins and outs of the system, and I know not too many team could do it, but what's your thoughts?


{Ed041's Note - I don't think so. My idea is one I think could work but I won't clog up the page with it lol.

01 Sep 2016 14:50:01
Long time reader, and feel a lot of you have decent points and opinions, but some of you- baffles me how you can call yourself a LFC fan. through thick and thin we are behind our boys. Klopp is definitely the right man for the job, he said that he will not leave anfield until he has put LFC back to where they belong, and has given himself 7 years with a plan. in this window alone, he has added some quality, my 2 favs are Mane (top quality prem league proven) GW (lost his way at newcastle as they were getting relegated, but in 3 games the boy has worked tremendous amounts and proving that he is a box to box midfielder) and without spending a cent virtually, he trimmed the "fat" clearing wage bill and earning the money he spent back. what more can we ask for? just like a previous poster said, ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE WOULD JUMP AT KLOPP. LFC 4 LIFE YNWA.

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01 Sep 2016 16:26:33
You can't have been watching the same Wijnaldum that I have been? He's looked anonymous and out of his depth in centre midfield. As I thought he would given that he's not actually a centre midfielder. Mane has been superb and you can see that defenders don't fancy it when he runs at them.


01 Sep 2016 17:30:08
danny, you must have been watching the GW from PSV or the World Cup or one of the Newcastle games where he bothered to show up and play because the one I`ve been watching this season, is nothing more than an expensive Joe Allen. In fact Allen offered a lot more than he does right now when he played last season. GW never lost his way. he lost his ability to actually work hard for the team hence, he got dropped. Same with Sissoke. A bang average player who did NOTHING for a whole season yet got signed (stupidly) by Spurs for 30m of one or two good games at the Euros. Good to know that we aren`t the only ones who make daft mistakes in the TW. GW was not needed as we already had Grujic and Can but Klopp has spoken so right now, Klopp is the one to be blamed for Wiji not playing well as he signed him.


02 Sep 2016 08:09:47
Lads the boy is keen to play for us, and wasnt keen to play for Newcastle, there's a reason Klopp has picked him 3 weeks running now, and i'm not saying he was needed, i'm saying he is pulling his weight. you know Klopp has no time for players who don't work for the team and if he isn't why would Klopp prefer him right now? we have to trust Klopp and not watch the player and let your opinions be blurred by the fact that we might have over paid for him, and that he was not needed, and that he lost his way at newcastle. he is a liverpool player so we have to back and support him, and in my opinion he is certainly pulling his weight. He compliments Sadio Mane perfectly at the moment. and he will score 8-10 goals a season and create between 10-15. if not ill eat my words.


01 Sep 2016 10:21:59
Morning Eds, I apologise for bothering you today on what must be the day when you wonder why you even bother with this site but I'm looking for a little clarity on a particular issue and I hoped you would be willing to help. Rumours flared yesterday about Sturridge to Arsenal. I know there was a thread about it last night but Ed2's answers were slightly vague, my question is 'did Sturridge or his representatives try to orchestrate a move to Arsenal yesterday'?

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing happened yesterday.}

01 Sep 2016 14:37:13
Roger. Thanks for taking the time to reply Ed.


01 Sep 2016 16:40:14
Thanks Ed002 your answers are usually well thought out and not ambiguous unless it is deliberate. Thank you for clarifying that nothing actually happened yesterday. Whether at some point in time an attempt to orchestrate a move did take place is what we would like to know? No smoke without fire etc. Please edit this post if need be don't want to create a load of crap for you like this topic did yesterday. A simple yes or no as to whether I am correct in my interpretation of your response would be great though.


{Ed002's Note - I explained yesterday there is something going on in the background. As I have said I would think Liverpool would be open to selling him in January.}

01 Sep 2016 13:29:40
Bthday wishes to Dany boy and LFC tv has put up a video of some of his goals and it pains me deep down People want him gone. His strike against Everton, the rocket against City and Jesus that dribble to score aging Aston Villa. He is a better striker than Fowler and that says a lot about his quality. He is the only striker on par with Aguero in the league and some wants him out because he doesn't run or press.
Am I the only one who want Sturridge at the club. He would walk into any team in the league. Goodness me people need to wake up and smell the coffee. Without goals you aren't winning a football match and Sturridge is the best in the business by some big Miles.

Thanks.

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01 Sep 2016 13:43:55
agree with your point about sturridge, disagree that he is a better striker than fowler.


01 Sep 2016 13:58:11
Its a hard one hey. Some people have it and know it and want to have their bellies rubbed for it.

He is a fantastic striker. But unforunately if he doesn't work hard for the team in defense then klopps system is not 100% and it makes me kind of agree with klopp not to play him all the time. Sturrige over firmino all day technically for me. but there was instances against spurz where firmino was a wild dog hounding them to get the ball back and you would not get this from daniel.

There is no yes or no on this. Purely one striker is more adapt to how the manager wants to set up. If we had a manager who wanted a striker to sulk, be lazy and selfish then we might of kept ballotelli?

Tough decisions to make.


01 Sep 2016 14:21:21
Sturridge on his day is brilliant, but sorry, them days are getting less, his awful display against Burnley showed this, agree he can be one of the best . Robbie Fowler tho, was an even better striker .


01 Sep 2016 15:16:41
Fowler was one of the best of all time. No comparison. Daniel is clearly very talented but perhaps lacks the pressing style Klopp is after. He has some work to do.


01 Sep 2016 15:42:00
Sturridge is great when he is not injured. No way he is even the same level as Fowler. The guy is a legend.
Yes Sturridge has a great scoring record but watch Fowlers goals and he was not as quick as Daniel he was just a pure genius.


01 Sep 2016 16:28:13
Sturridge is one of the best finishers in the premier league, he's right up there with Aguero, you get the ball to him in the right area and there's only one place the ball is heading.


01 Sep 2016 16:28:23
I think if Danny looked like he loved being on the pitch and worked as hard as Ingsy, he'd be a legend already. I think he's incredibly talented and we should be keeping him but he has a tendency to look like he's sulking (not even sure if it's real or not) and people judge him very harshly because of it.

I think it may be just because he has such high standards for himself that he always looks like he's trying to prove something, but people prefer to see players leave their heart on the pitch like Kuyt, over someone they're not completely convinced is always giving their all or respecting the Honour of playing for Liverpool, no matter how many goals.

Not saying any of this is even Sturridges fault, but I sure would love to see him blossom into not just a goal scorer but a positive and uplifting example of team spirit for the youngsters to follow. At the moment he just reminds me a little bit of that player from 'Jerry Macguire' before everyone realises what a great guy he is!


01 Sep 2016 19:27:04
I think Sturridge is a really good striker. However, it wouldn't really disappoint me if he were to leave.
This is just my opinion, but I think he sulks too much, he's too selfish with the ball and his hold-up play isn't all that good. It's fine enough when we play against teams that we're meant to overwhelm, but in another European league final against a Sevilla where we need a forward to press, and hold up play in order to relieve pressure and to bring others into play, he would be found wanting. (Not saying he's the reason we lost to Sevilla)
I think he plays best when there's another striker to do the bullying for him because then, he gets space to do his thing. Personally, I just don't like his mentality/ sulking.
If he could be sold for a good amount to a team outside England, for me, it would be okay.


01 Sep 2016 07:21:27
Morning Ed2,
Hope the shenanigans of deadline day haven't take too much out of you all!

Quick question regarding shirt sales if I may. I read your previous response to a shirt sales enquiry the other day, mentioning that the majority of the revenue from the retail sales goes to the Distributor, manufacturer and the retailer. This I totally understand as my line of work is wholesale ( womenswear) .

You mentioned the likes of Barcelona and Madrid have negotiated a different agreement whereby they take a larger proportion of revenue from shirt sales than most clubs.

Are there any clubs in the Premier League that have this agreement? Man United for instance, they have a mega deal with Nike so was wondering if they have negotiated a deal from shirt sales outside of their own club retail and club online retail cut?

Cheers.

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01 Sep 2016 07:21:27
Morning Ed2,
Hope the shenanigans of deadline day haven't take too much out of you all!

Quick question regarding shirt sales if I may. I read your previous response to a shirt sales enquiry the other day, mentioning that the majority of the revenue from the retail sales goes to the Distributor, manufacturer and the retailer. This I totally understand as my line of work is wholesale ( womenswear) .

You mentioned the likes of Barcelona and Madrid have negotiated a different agreement whereby they take a larger proportion of revenue from shirt sales than most clubs.

Are there any clubs in the Premier League that have this agreement? Man United for instance, they have a mega deal with Nike so was wondering if they have negotiated a deal from shirt sales outside of their own club retail and club online retail cut?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Adidas are the shirt manufacturers for Manchester United and they pay £75M a year for that pleasure - Manchester United do not have a separate sales deal. Barcelona are in the strongest position and are able to command a similar amount from Nike as Manchester United get but are then able to get an additional €60M per year from their own sales before additional income is provided to Nike. Nike also sell the shirts world-wide and gets further income from that. In terms of numbers of shirts sold world-wide last season, Barcelona came out on top of the rankings as usual:
Barcelona - 3.637M
Bayern Munich - 3.312M
Chelsea - 3.102M
Manchester United - 2.977M
Real Madrid - 2.867M
PSG - 2.213M
Arsenal - 2.055M
Atletico Madrid - 1.977M
Juventus - 1.678M
AC Milan - 1.286M

Obviously the sums involved are vast with Adidas and Nike paying in the order of three quarters of a Billion pounds (e.g. the value of Liverpool FC) to these clubs two clubs alone over 10 years. Don't for one minute think that they have not considered buying a club of their own.}

01 Sep 2016 13:53:36
Wouldn't that be complicated though Ed? Would they still want their brand on opposing teams if they had their own?


{Ed002's Note - It would not be complicated at all. I have no idea how they would look to work with other clubs.}

01 Sep 2016 15:42:48
Few surprises there for me Chelsea above MU Zion shirts sales REAL MADRID only 5th and LIVERPOOL not in top ten.


01 Sep 2016 16:03:30
So man utd get 75million for shirt sponsorship and not a penny more?


{Ed002's Note - No, I did not say anything like that. The money from Adidas is nothing whatsoever to do with shirt sponsorship.}

01 Sep 2016 16:29:47
Shows you how far we've fallen.


01 Sep 2016 19:09:55
Thanks Ed002.


01 Sep 2016 12:56:19
Because everyone has been pestering me for it here is where I think we stand heading into the rest of the season (the first part of this sentence may be a lie) .

We haven't seen enough to to draw conclusions from our first three games, on balance we should probably have six points (which is around the best we could have hoped for giving our fixture list) but we could quite easily be sitting on a single point (the Arsenal game could easily have gone the other way) . Throw in mitigating factors (in particular injuries to Can, Karius and Matip) and it's too early to say for sure how this season is going to pan out. Instead, let's compare the team from last year to this.

Our attack was awesome in the second half of last season and, with the signing of Mane and a couple of goal scoring midfielders, it's improved. I'm still confident that we will be amongst the highest scoring teams this year. What is crucial to our ambitions is improving our defence; Milner, Karius and Matip are our major changes and at the moment I hope they'll be an improvement rather than I expect they will be, my view is if these three guys have good seasons then Liverpool will have a good season. In midfield I think Hendo and Can (I'm assuming he will slot back in) are more than good enough and once we've settled into the three-man configuration we'll be fine.

Finally we have Klopp, we have to accept that he is not a Ferguson or Mourinho type, we are not going to be ruthlessly efficient under him and we will have off days. What we have to hope is that Klopp's ideas work more often than they don't because when he gets it right we're magnificent. It's not luck that we've torn the best teams in the country apart, that's down to Klopp. If Klopp can iron out the niggles then I'm still confident in a top four finish.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry musc, I will try not to pester you as much from now on, though I can't promise anything for anyone else....}

01 Sep 2016 13:21:01
Who has been pestering you exactly, Musc?


01 Sep 2016 13:07:41
"The best we could have hoped for" from our first 3 games is 9 points, not 6.


01 Sep 2016 14:29:41
Its not so much how many goals we will score, its how many we will concede, and how many points we have to catch up on, once we have our best team out, are we looking at 5th or 6th spot, hope not, I am not at all pleased with our transfer window, and think that it will reflect on were we finish .


01 Sep 2016 14:26:16
Ed1, you're the one person I don't mind being pestered by xx

Hamilton, i may have been fibbing about that.

Ron, fair one, I'd edit it to 'given our fixture list, 6 points would have been a great return'.


01 Sep 2016 17:32:37
That is my worry, Redforever. It seems that no matter how well we play or score goals for fun which we can, our defence will almost likely screw it up due mainly to individual errors from mostly, the usual suspects. That`s the part that needs improvement.


02 Sep 2016 00:16:12
yes we expect plenty of goals, but its going to take another two transfer windows before we can all be happy with our first eleven .


01 Sep 2016 12:26:19
I really don't know the full story of Sakho. He hasn't conducted himself well for a while now. I was frustrated and gutted that he was no longer in Klopps plans however his decision to not play football elsewhere in England for this season is ridiculous. He may end up playing next to no football this season. This is his career and Imo the lads just not thinking rationally atall.

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01 Sep 2016 13:31:14
He could be passionate about playing for LFC. Rightly or wrongly, he may believe he can turn things around sooner and become part of Klopps plans.

I hope this is the case, or if not then when the club manage to move him on we can't complain.

If he ends up training alone we will know relations are beyond repair.


01 Sep 2016 13:31:14
He could be passionate about playing for LFC. Rightly or wrongly, he may believe he can turn things around sooner and become part of Klopps plans.

I hope this is the case, or if not then when the club manage to move him on we can't complain.

If he ends up training alone we will know relations are beyond repair.


01 Sep 2016 13:43:17
Sometimes it goes like this. The young kids are given too much too soon and it goes to their heads (captaincy of PSG at the age of 17). He has a small history of indiscipline (slapping journalists and forcing the club to issue public apologies) and it's not the first time he's had weight problems (Ancellotti stripped him of the captaincy for being overweight and unfit to play) . In the end, it's always up to the player himself. Pity and shame because he's got football talent and skill. Staying at LFC is probably another miscalculation on his part, because he's not understood the degree of the problem Klopp has with him.


01 Sep 2016 13:57:30
he has not been thinking straight since he took those fat burning pills, as far as klopp is concerned sakho does not exist, expect lovren and matip to be the centre backs with klavlan and lucas as backup.


01 Sep 2016 14:32:43
as much as I rate Sakho, I am more than happy that we go with Lovren and Matip, and let that partnership grow .


01 Sep 2016 11:56:20
Does the club or anyother club for example monitor social media replies or anything like that? If so, do they take into serious consideration or not?

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{Ed001's Note - most Prem clubs do, but the degree of serious consideration varies.}

01 Sep 2016 11:40:50
Taking this opportunity to thank all the Eds and posters for their brilliant work through out the summer transfer window. Eds including ( Ed033 ) were brilliant with their hind sight and information. I visit the site more than a chain smoker with cigerates in hand. Noy easy to monitor all the pages and providing informations. European page stands out to me this window.

Well done peeps.

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01 Sep 2016 11:16:41
Hey eds. Seems irrelivant now but do u feel sakho should have taken offers or try to stay and fight for a spot. Klopp seems to stick to his guns on his decisions so doubt he will get playing time.

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{Ed001's Note - should have gone.}

01 Sep 2016 11:28:46
He tried acting too smart. Should have opted to take a decent club with in England and perform week in week out for any chance to win over the manager. The stubborn arrogant attitude is never going to please Klopp. Mistakes happen and the only way is to accept and correct it. I can't believe he would now sit back at home for whole season. Falling out with a manage is not new in football. Remember Tevez falling out with Manchini and how did he turned the corner.


01 Sep 2016 11:46:07
Only time will tell weather he made the correct decision but Sakho is still our best defender i hope he sorts himself out so he can establish himself again and build up a partnership most of us fans would like to see at the club in Matip.


01 Sep 2016 12:19:57
He will be gone in January.
Unless he really does sort out all his issues, gets a run of games and forces his way back into the side.


01 Sep 2016 13:04:21
Sakho's mistake, made considerably worse by Klopp going public. Could cost the club a fortune, at least a seasons wages and considerably reduced sale price with just Klopp to blame.


01 Sep 2016 13:29:59
I think Klopp is not one to keep his tongue in his pocket when things infuriate him and Sahko has indeed gotten on his last nerve just like Benteke did hence, he just says things in the media that don`t come off. That is something he has to change.


01 Sep 2016 14:05:39
I don't think he will change rightly or wrongly he says it as he see's it, what you see is what you get, the only person to blame here is sakho who let's not forget is not a child and has been here before when at psg, if klopp was soft we would accuse him of lacking discipline.


01 Sep 2016 15:34:55
To be fair, Hamilton, I have yet to meet a human manager who CAN keep his tongue in his pocket.

An anteater, yes.


01 Sep 2016 17:34:15
It`s a French expression used to depict someone who sometimes unnecessarily, says what`s on his mind.


01 Sep 2016 11:06:30
I’m really happy that the window is shut so we can concentrate on the actual game that is football. Too much emphasis is put on transfers and too many fans have this want and need for signings even if it’s for the sake of signing a player. Many are dis-pleased and many expected a quick turn in fortune under Klopp when the quirky German took over last October. Not even 12 months in and questions are being raised by some but If you had done a little research and not gone off a name or personality you’d discovered our manager isn’t a quick fix by any means. If you’d have done your research you’d also have discovered Klopp was never going to buy the polished diamond of a player from the jewellers but unearth the diamond from the quarry, a style of developing a player that can work in his systems and grow individually. Many jump on this bandwagon of taunting the players before even a ball is kicked, contradicting the word support. Sensible moaning and analytically having a gripe with body to an argument I have nothing against but un-reservedly and nonsensically lambasting and verbally spewing venomous hatred towards the club is a problem and a problem we have within our club.

I’ve seen so many turn on our manager regarding the Sakho situation, as if they know exactly what was going on behind the doors of Melwood. Suddenly Klopp is a bad person for making a decision, do we know the reasons why this decision was made? No, I think it’s stupid to jump on Jurgen’s back like we know more about the situation than he does. Sakho could’ve done something terrible and we’d be none the wiser, but Klopp feels the need for Mama to get away from Liverpool, collect his thoughts, train better, be better and come back with a new frame of mind so what is wrong with that? If Sakho has mis-behaved and caused disruption in the camp then ethically its right to remove the bad influence. He refused to go and all i'd say is let’s not get too upset if we don’t see much of Sakho again this season. After all, Borini refused to leave and he got disgustingly abused but Sakho refuses to go and he’s a hero for fighting for his place.

We’ve signed players, better players and our spend with sales works out better than the previous seasons, cool right? Not for some, FSG are now apparently owners that don't invest into the club and want to pocket every last dime from us. Let’s forget about the stadium expansion they’ve just had built, the constant rebuilding of recruiting players we’ve invested in over the last 4 seasons, the agents we’ve paid off and let's just look at this poxy figure of +£8m for this summer the Sky Sport inaccurately throw out there. We are in a better place financially after a transfer window, still got a long long way to go before calling ourselves sustainable but surely by not putting ourselves in uncomferatble financial issues again this season it’s a good sign for the club? Would you rather see us spend even more beyond our means signing players for the sake of it and see our club go under? Again just digest that and sensibly come up with your own conclusion.

I think now we worry not on the next signing or ‘FSG’s financial gains’ let’s let's focus on the sport. This is the stuff I love to talk about, the game i adore and love to debate about. Let’s leave the finances to the mathematicians, the signings to the manager as we can do nothing about neither and should not worry ourselves too much about things we don’t know about. But most importantly let the supporters support, something we can be good at. Basically let’s talk football again and enjoy the season as the game was made for us to enjoy.

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01 Sep 2016 12:01:35
but basically our football hasn't been the best either has it? foot in mouth against arsenal, pathetic against burnley and a same old same old against tottenham. can't take pride in smashing burton can we?
also we aren't placed finacially better at all as ed002 will tell you. yea we sold players but every player bar ibe was at a loss. so yes for this season good to show in newspapers.
nobody is on klopps back for sakho. But has he got the defense right at all? isn't that his responsibility?
Klopp is at fault for a lot of things, primarily his style of football which has us playing great football for just 30 minutes in a game and that is not good enough. against arsenal we had a good 20 minutes and then we screwed it up almost.
Then comes his logic of not starting actual fit strikers. we have firmino upfront who can play both on right and left and be equally effective from either positions. but he is played in center where a studger, origi or even ings could be given a start and potentially would have us landed us 3 points in all the games?
so people are right in questioning him. what he achieved in past at one club doesn't warrant him success at a different club. He is literally throwing a blind eye to the type of players he has and how he is playing them. they look forced into a system and it shows in the non existing defensive cohesiveness we have every game.
secondly this is a forum where we express views. when we go in numbers to the stadium to support our team we are all united in spurring the team on . this is not the atmosphere of a real match day crowd. everyone is 100 percent behind the team and manager whether we are loosing or winning.


01 Sep 2016 12:36:17
Long time reader and a first time poster and I have to say I agree with you 100% Blair.


01 Sep 2016 13:43:15
Blair and Akshit make very valid points. As Ed02 has said, Klopp has made some improvements BUT he has also made mistakes which he has to learn from. Regarding selection, I don`t agree that he is forcing players to play his way. I would say that he is shoe-horning players like GW and Lallana into CM, a place where they are killing the team as we are literally playing with 9 men whenever we lose the ball as Hendo is left all alone to defend counter attacks. Now maybe this will change when Can is back in because right now, we just look ragged when we lose the ball with everybody scampering back in chaotic fashion. There is very little structure when we lose the ball and that is worrying. Regarding strikers, one cannot deny that our best results last season were when we played with Firmino up top due to his ability to occupy a whole backline on his own with his hardwork, guile, creativity and of course goals. Pretty sure City want nothing to do with him after he ridiculed them in both games last season. He laid goals on a platter for Lallana and Couts and they both bottled it. Is that his fault? had they scored, he would have been a genius hence, I understand why Klopp plays him there. I like Studge and Origi as well BUT we have no issues scoring goals at the moment however, I wouldn`t mind Studge/ Origi with Firmino in behind as that is the forward line that destroyed teams in the EL and the PL last year. It`s keeping clean sheets that is the issue and that is where we need to focus on. We are all behind the team and will continue to do so. Go reds!


01 Sep 2016 10:33:49
If I'm correct that's 19 players moved out that were in or around the 1st team squad. 14 of them on permenant deals. With such change it must make training from now on much more straight forward and focused. Our squad was hugely bloated so that is an important factor in this transfer window that shouldn't be underrated.

I didn't see the Burnly game but I did see Arsenal and Spurs games. Thought we were very unlucky not to win at Spurs, played very well and the manager had made changes to tighten the defense.

A lot of questions to be answered but I don't think anyone can say yet for sure whether it will be a very good or a poor season, questions like.

Will Karius be the top quality keeper we've needed?

Will Matip and Lovern form a solid defensive partnership?

Will Milner adapt to LB? Will Gomez come back in at LB were he was doing so well? If so will Milner push Clyne for RB? (I'm kinda glad that if we couldn't get the LB we wanted we didn't just buy a LB for the sake of it. Those were the mistakes in the past that lead to such a bloated squad) .

Will Lallana find his end product? In the 2 games I saw he scored a goal and provided assists (1 disallowed for offside) . Fingers crossed!

Will GW show us he is a very good player that just lost his way a little? Or not?

Will the right formula in midfield emerge?

Will Mane, Couthino and Firmino pick teams apart? Looks good so far.

Will Origi continue his rise, or will Ings burst forward? Or will Sturridge realise he needs to just keep his head down, mouth closed, work hard and accept that a manager can't repeatedly drop other players who work hard for him everytime Sturridge gets fit for a short time. He might need to take cameo appearances for a little to re establish himself.

So a lot to find out. Over the next 10 games we will have a good idea of how the season will go. Too early to judge yet. At least it's not going to be boring!

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01 Sep 2016 11:13:27
Biggest question is will Klopp be able to manage our best CB, big test of his management capabilities, he's already made a massive mistake making everything public.


01 Sep 2016 11:15:55
All interesting questions, but the full list of outs looks like this. Incredible really.

(adjusted for RMcL - Oldham is a free transfer, not a loan)

20 Out Permanently and 12 Loaned

1: Christian Benteke (£27m, Crystal Palace), 2: Jordon Ibe (£15m, Bournemouth), 3: Joe Allen (£13.5m, Stoke), 4: Martin Skrtel (£5.5m, Fenerbahce), 5: Luis Alberto (£4.3m, Lazio), 6: Jerome Sinclair (£4m, Watford), 7: Brad Smith (£3m, Bournemouth), 8: Sergi Canos (£2.5m, Norwich),
9: Lawrence Vigouroux (£400,000, Swindon), 10: Jordan Rossiter (£250,000, Rangers), 11: Joao Carlos Teixeira (£250,000, Porto) .

1: Kolo Toure (free, Celtic), 2: Daniel Cleary (free, Birmingham), 3: Ryan McLaughlin (free, Oldham),
4: Mario Balotelli (free, Nice), 5: William Marsh, 6: Alex O’Hanlon, 7: Kristof Polgar, 8: Jose Enrique, 9: Samed Yesil (all released) .

1: Jon Flanagan (loan, Burnley), 2: Ryan Kent (loan, Barnsley), 3: Danny Ward (loan, Huddersfield), 4: Adam Bogdan (loan, Wigan), 5: Lloyd Jones (loan, Swindon),
6: Ryan Fulton (loan, Chesterfield), 7: Jack Dunn (loan, Morecambe), 8: Allan Rodrigues (loan, Hertha), 9: Taiwo Awoniyi (loan, NEC Nijmegen), 10: Sam Hart (loan, Port Vale), 11: Andre Wisdom (loan, Red Bull Salzburg), 12: Lazar Markovic (loan, Sporting Lisbon)


01 Sep 2016 11:17:34
There are still 29 registered, first team players, so it'll be like a normal class now, not a rowdy, bloated inner-city school class with naughty kids. Teacher will be able to keep an eye on the star pupils.


01 Sep 2016 11:51:09
Heh John B. Not so sure I agree re. Sakho. The player seems to have been given a few 2nd chances but didn't take them. Ultimately a manager has to be concerned about the entire squad and can't let one or two players repeatedily get away with indiscipline, it would ultimately infect the entire squad, especially young impressionable players. I remember when Fergusion got rid of Paul McGrath and Norman Whiteside. Very good players on the pitch but bog drinkers (with Bryan Robson) off the pitch. He kept Robson and cleaned him and showed the entire squad who is the boss and what is expected. Discipline is important, the player got chances, didn't take them and so now is out of favour.


01 Sep 2016 13:11:28
The table doesn't like and the it will show what progress we have made this window. May be by the end of December we wil have a picture of what to expect from this season. But it looks like we aren't serious on the title front this season.


01 Sep 2016 13:11:28
The table doesn't like and the it will show what progress we have made this window. May be by the end of December we wil have a picture of what to expect from this season. But it looks like we aren't serious on the title front this season.


01 Sep 2016 10:31:52
SO, well done Eds!

Now, after all that, we are 19 players lighter with 13 out on loan. Amazing to think that our squad was SO bloated that we could actually shed THIRTY TWO players and still not look like Hull. We now have a squad of roughly 30 'first-team-ready' players and an integrated U23s squad.

I think we have a pretty good foundation to build on now. I really hope in the coming windows we continue to only sign players that improve on or fill a gap in the squad and avoid signing players for the sake of it. When I think of some of the rubbish that has been and gone over the last 10 years alone it's embarrassing.

Now let's get behind the lads that are there and hope the training really bears fruit.
Thanks again to all the Eds, really reliable as always in helping us navigate through the transfer rumour storm. :)

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

01 Sep 2016 10:23:58
Although I'm a little sad that we didn't manage to get a LB in (particularly Chilwell) I'm actually happy that as a team we have not overspent this summer transfer window. Yes, Southampton have again made a transfer profit, as have Everton and Swansea but we managed a net spend (the figures obviously do not include the other costs like agents, etc) of -£510k. I want to see my team stable, consistent and not leaking money like previous years. so this is good from my perspective.

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01 Sep 2016 09:43:16
Welcome back ozone, I'm still with you regarding the owners mate but not klopp, he hasn't even had ONE full season, I seem to be in the minority regarding klopp which I'm finding staggering to be honest.

He's taking stick (from what I can see) because he didn't sign a left back and because we lost to Burnley, are things perfect? NO! but people need to realise whoever the manager is he has to work within a terrible transfer policy set by F$G, the spine of your team has to be top class only then can you surround the spine with the calibre of player we currently have right through the side at the moment and unless you pay the big wages you won't get top class unfortunately, it's all about money these days as we all know and the owners simply won't pay it so we have to cut our cloth accordingly.

Klopps points comparison to hodgson and Rodgers is spurious reasoning at best and is totally skewed logic!

He came in after a car crash of a manager inheriting possibly one of the worse squads in living memory, and took them to two cup finals which came at the cost of our league position all while resisting the temptation to buy in the January window and having to deal with the loss of couthinho sturridge and henderson at various points in the season and with our central defender's confidence through the floor and two promising youngsters (gomez and ings) out through long term injuries and with two abysmal keepers to work with.

So he has tried to address the glaringly obvious deficiencies in our team/ squad and is doing it in this awful restrictive transfer system, bought a very promising young keeper who then gets injured, a promising centre half who gets injured, a decent experienced centre half, so partly addressing the defensive problems he inherited, if he couldn't identify a LB and RB he wanted at the prices he is forced to work with then what do you want him to do? Buy two full backs for £7mill or so each who can simply play in those positions but wouldn't improve the first 11.

I'm totally behind him and am willing to give him AT LEAST 2 seasons to see were we are before judging him, it's the pot noodle generation that really grind My gears, get off his back and get behind the team that's now here, and if your not happy and are looking to blame someone for your frustration then I suggest you look at how the club is being run and stop hiding behind lies and fiction created to keep you from asking the real and challenging questions, because we are were we are at this point in time for one reason and one reason only THE OWNERS!

So the one Chink of light we have to get us to where we want to be is klopp so I suggest you all get behind him and we all stick together on it as there's plenty of people out there just itching to slag us off and criticise without us doing the job for them.

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{Ed001's Note - I think he deserves 3 seasons at least, before he can be judged.}

01 Sep 2016 10:10:07
Cheers ed001, yes I'd go with that. Myself personally I can see distinct promise from him that I've not seen from any of our managers since rafa and I'm prepared to go all in with him for the long haul and I'm convinced he'll get it right. People criticising him is totally unjust and unfair in my opinion and what said people need to remember is, if klopp was avaliable right now every club in the country would be in for him if they required a manager so be careful what you wish for.


{Ed001's Note - I love Klopp. I think he is perfect for Liverpool.}

01 Sep 2016 10:19:30
That is an excellent post Waro. In complete agreement.


01 Sep 2016 10:47:48
Klopp is long term solution in my opinion, really excited to see the likes of Karius and Grujic. The left back is a sore subject for most (understandable) but again in agreement that buying any left back that didn't suit us would have been counterproductive.

Should we be happy we lost to Burnley? of course not, but it isn't all doom and gloom.


01 Sep 2016 11:02:04
Spot on regarding Klopp. I will agree to disagree on the owners regarding their financial commitment, but where I do get frustrated with FSG is that they take ages to learn. It's taken 6 years for them to get a good manager in place, and they still have polarised businessmen in charge of the club. We need football men with a financial brain, not finance men with a slight interest in the game. Ayre leaving is hopefully the start of FSG recognising this.


01 Sep 2016 11:03:10
Remember when klopp was appointed they ask what were his requirements and the only thing he said he wanted was patience. Let's give him a few years not months!


01 Sep 2016 11:43:45
OK mk no problem mate, we will have to agree to disagree on that one because I think we're at polar opposites with regard to there financial commitment to the club. One of us is spectacularly wrong with our opinion only in the long term will we find out who.


01 Sep 2016 12:10:56
yes three years sounds about correct.


01 Sep 2016 11:47:49
Top post Waro, and reply Ed01, couldn't agree more! When discussing the club and in particular the current management setup, both family and the lads I go to games with all agree that 2/ 3 seasons is a minimum Klopp should have with a realistic outlook to letting him have 5 years, I havnt yet had the unfortunate experience of speaking to some one that dosnt think he is the best fit for our club. The only real negatives I see written or happen to hear on the radio are the FIFA, Internet fans. Without trying to be degrading or telling a person there not a real supporter, it seems to myself that it stems from those that don't have a real connection with the club. Anyone that has been to Anfield since Klopp became gaffer, especially the latter stages of the Europa league games, I'm sure can attest to how much better the atmosphere is not just in the ground but around the stadium and the city itself. It hasn't felt, looked or sounded like this in a damn long time and it started and has evolved since the day he became the boss.

For those that doubt what he has done, is currently doing or can achieve with our club need to re educate themselves about football. We could very well be on the verge of something truly special and I don't want to miss a minute of it, those that think they know better are going to miss out in a big way and I hope I never have to meet this type of fan. Seriously people open your eyes and see what is happening at the club, you really don't want to miss this.


01 Sep 2016 12:38:47
I've found that I disagree with 99% of your posts Waro, but I have to admit that I agree fully with your stance on Klopp in this post. The man has had his clearout and brought in his players and the timer actually begins now. Last year was more about "salvaging" a sinking ship, and I'd have to say that Klopp did okay. Too many people on here are trigger happy with their conclusions- and most based entirely on incomplete information.


01 Sep 2016 13:01:45
He won't need 3 years 😎.


01 Sep 2016 09:37:41
Is it over yet lol.

Let the games begin. I think we will do better than ok this season, once the boss finds the right combo in midfield we could be strong. It's just the start of the building for us, so let's get together for the good of LFC and make the reds great again. Win lose draw I'm a red and always will be. YNWA

PS thanks edds for all your hard work for the best site out there.

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01 Sep 2016 09:34:40
Eds just had a read through yesterday's and some of today's posts and it amaze's me how many people want Klopp and the team to fail just because they can say " i told you so " at the end of the season. I for one hope they are eating humble pie at the end of the season and i will be on this page in May to ram it down their throats.

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{Ed001's Note - do you really think anyone would be unhappy to say they were wrong? I am sure they would love to eat humble pie at the end of the season.}

01 Sep 2016 10:11:48
I hope so eds! Because some off the negativity is unbelievable. I for one won't stop thinking top 4 is possible until it is mathematically not possible.


01 Sep 2016 10:33:32
I be he in May and if we get top 4 I will say sorry to everyone but if I'm right I will be saying told you all.


01 Sep 2016 12:45:54
It's a deal Reus!


01 Sep 2016 14:34:10
Reus, you do know that if Klopp fails, the club and the fans (that includes you) fail as well, and you are not inoculated from any abuse we will all get from fans of other clubs? Think about that before you speak in may if we don`t get top 4.


01 Sep 2016 09:24:05
Hello Ed

Transfer window is over, May I post mate. I promise I wouldn't trouble the site at all.

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - erm.....???}

01 Sep 2016 09:32:33
Well back from Summer slam mate. This site was turned upside down in the past 24 hours. I don't want to be a trouble at all guys. Y do people abuse Ed's is something I never understand.


{Ed001's Note - Summer slam?}

01 Sep 2016 09:48:44
Lol Ed01, Shawn Michels was at summer slam mate 😆😆.


{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what that means, but I am sure it is very important or exciting or something.}

01 Sep 2016 11:26:17
Ed001 summer slam is a well choreographed ballet by the world renowned wwe (formerly wwf) dance collective. the dancing is very high energy and explosive.


{Ed001's Note - ahhh cheers hoody, sorry not much up on dance troupes.}

01 Sep 2016 07:54:11
Congrats all for making it through alive! Well the one thing that's become abundantly clear is Mane was a bargain when you compare the similar transfers of bolassie and sissoko.

Also Hendricks for over 10 mil is a joke he is seriously a bad player and I'm dissapointed for burnley.

Anyway we got rid of most of the players who were not in the plans and our squad looks a lot more lean.

Much appreciated work eds keep it up and bring on Leicester!

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01 Sep 2016 08:50:06
I still can't get over the fact that David Luiz has commanded more I transfer fees in his career than Ronaldo!


01 Sep 2016 09:17:19
I thought Hendrick was a steal for £10m.

I haven't seen much of him for Derby, but when he plays for Ireland he's immense. He can tackle, pick a pass, good positional sense and good reading of the game, and has a lethal shot. He was fantastic in the Euros.

I don't think for a second he has enough quality to play for us, but he's too good for Burnley. He'd fit right in at an Everton or Southhampton. I'd have 3 of him over Sissoko every day of the week.


01 Sep 2016 09:25:38
Think urgent going OTT on hendrick. He's not a bad player. And will always give 110.


01 Sep 2016 06:05:27
I haven't had a chance to watch a lot of games this season (other teams), has Chilwell done well for Leicester so far?

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01 Sep 2016 06:55:04
Dont think he has played much, if at all.


{Ed001's Note - Fuchs is still holding down the place. Hard to dislodge the best left back in the league from the previous season in the early weeks. He will get chances when European football comes around, it is up to him to grab the opportunity.}

01 Sep 2016 07:30:49
Ed can you clarify something plse WRT Chilwell, I have read from respectedsources that the lad was not very keen on coming to us and apparently his dad gets heavily involved and is a nightmare so Klopp/ club decided against the move.
I think it's important people realise there is more to bringing in players than just their (potential) ability, and nice to see that we are not bringing in more possible problems.


{Ed001's Note - he was keen, very keen on the move. He loves it at Leicester but knew it was a chance to get an immediate first team shot. It had even been made clear to other clubs that he wanted to go to Liverpool, which was why no one else was in for him this summer, after a large number had previously been very interested. I have no idea about his dad, but it was Leicester's asking price that stopped the deal.}

01 Sep 2016 05:38:29
to the eds, and in my south pacific island / Kiwi slang - Shot bro!
navigted another window nicely, dropping pearly of wisdom and insight along the way
I like the work we've done and it is a positive step forward. I'm in the "it'll tke minimum 3 windows to sort the squad out" camp and am sticking to that.
Looking forward to seeing this group gel together and also first game at the new Anfield!
We go again!

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01 Sep 2016 04:53:47
I am quite excited after this transfer window.
I like the changes in GK, the changes in central Defence, and Mane is a very exciting signing.
Gini I am less sure about, but he seems to be a good lad from the few interviews I've seen. Let's give him a month or so to get used to the system and his role in it.

Left back is a question mark of course, but let's wait and see how things pan out. deep down I feel that if Moreno just cuts his hair, he may grow some common sense and start being a good left back again. A man can dream.

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01 Sep 2016 04:21:41
Eds,

Truly great job this window. The clowns were put in full force and you you still managed to provide great information. While some of the fans on here struggle to hear the truth, there are a number of us who appreciate everything you guys do and the hard work you put in.

My only hope is that the club can turn things around so the trolls can stay hiding under the bridge.

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{Ed001's Note - I have faith in Klopp personally. While it was not a perfect window, it was a big step forward and that is what matters. We just need to keep moving forward as a club. Thank you for the kind words, though really it is mostly Ed002 who suffers the abuse, some people just can't handle that he is not a Liverpool fan and think that gives them the right to send in foul and nasty abuse. It is embarrassing some of the stuff we have to delete from the morons who bring shame on our club.}

01 Sep 2016 05:24:12
Excellent post - i'd like to reiterate thanks for the ed's for their hard work and seemingly infinite patience: if any ed's find themselves in Taiwan i'll happily buy them a beer or 2 (or 8).


{Ed001's Note - if I ever find myself in Taiwan, it would mean I was very lost....}

01 Sep 2016 06:40:00
Love how people on this site are from all over the world. Great to see.


01 Sep 2016 07:39:32
That's pretty much how I ended up in Taiwan - got lost, married a girl and haven't left since. Interesting times though.


{Ed001's Note - I get lost a lot, but it usually only leaves me ending up in a part of town I haven't seen before. My sense of direction is terrible, when I lived in a tower that had the lifts in the centre of the building I could never figure out which way to turn to get to my apartment. It is so much easier now with just one way to go, so I don't always turn the wrong way immediately on stepping out of the lift. I dread to think where I would end up without GPS and maps on my phone when I go outside....}

01 Sep 2016 10:02:47
I'm from Dublin but living in Athens 3 years now. Atehns is a complicated mess so GPS and maps on my phone is an essential daily tool. No idea how much time I wasted in the past with the trial and error method of finding your way around. Although, the GPS lady does regularly try to drive me off cliffs or into walls. I think she just likes to check I'm paying attention from time to time. :)


{Ed001's Note - women can never be trusted mate, I bet even the GPS lady spends her life watching CSI etc to learn how to get away with bumping off men who annoy her....}

01 Sep 2016 02:12:40
In this window, we had quite a few more departures than arrivals, much needed! I think we also brought in more money from sales than we spent on players we bought. This seems amazing as I believe that the quality of the squad is better than last year.
Yes, we are still a long way off the quality we had the last couple of times we challenged for the title (Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Suarez Carragher etc), but the main area to work on is the defensive stability. Hopefully, Klopp's coaching can help here.

I am actually really interested in Klopp's actions at LB. We looked at a couple but nobody that was going to be really a clear #1 at the position. Chilwell had never played in the Premier League right? So we have no idea if he would be better or not if he gets a run of games.

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01 Sep 2016 01:38:34
I think we had a very successful transfer window. Bought players early, and sold/ loaned necessary players. And this is just 1st transfer window for Klopp!

Lets just be glad we aren't doing business like Chelsea. David Luiz transfer, what a joke! 38 players out on loan with no prospect of first team football for Chelsea. Players like KDB and Lukaku did very well to escape their loan system.

Looking forward to the season!

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01 Sep 2016 02:09:00
Chelsea have a much better grasp on the system than we do, we are playing catch up.


01 Sep 2016 05:33:58
Chiefscout, i agree with you. The buying back of Luiz and Matic really smell of someone who knows the FFP inside out and working on loop hole. They should really investigate Chelsea for these kinda buy back deals that make them look as if they are earning but not.


{Ed001's Note - seriously? You really are clueless if you think that is what happened. Matic was let go because it was felt he was too weak. He went away and bulked up and turned into a great player so they went and bought him for much more than they sold him for. It was in no way a device to pretend to be earning!

As for Luiz, he loved his time at Chelsea, wanted to come back, Chelsea staff all love him too and wanted him back, the manager wanted a versatile player who could play in a back 3 or back four or even as a defensive midfielder. So they went and got Luiz. It was more like us re-signing Fowler than any attempt to get round FFP rules.

It is quite clear that your knowledge of FFP rules is on a par with that of players in the K-League - non-existent.}

01 Sep 2016 06:40:13
Another from leekuanyew! 🙈 Becoming a common theme now haha.


01 Sep 2016 08:31:13
Lee has taken over Harrys mantle.


01 Sep 2016 01:16:05
Thanks for all you time Eds really appreciate it coming online can't get enough!

On a side note I'm very happy with our signings this summer think we are definately in a stronger position than we were before it!
Time for a good season come on you reds!

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{Ed007's Note - You're welcome buddy.}

01 Sep 2016 00:30:33
So now deadline day is over. Does this mean the eds can take their annual leave and days in lieu? Seems well deserved and much needed, maybe a holiday somewhere with no internet reception.

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01 Sep 2016 00:25:02
Does the loan window shut now too?

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01 Sep 2016 00:33:28
Yes. No loans can now be completed until January I believe.


01 Sep 2016 02:14:15
FIFA have changed the rules this year so no loans can be completed when the window has slammed shut :)


01 Sep 2016 07:34:27
I prefer to think the window was gently closed rather than slammed shut. I mean, we all knew it was coming so there was nothing to suggest some kind of surprise 'slam' 😳.


01 Sep 2016 00:00:41
Thanks to the Eds for all their hard work, input and insight over the transfer window. Interesting observations about Klopp from Ed002 earlier. Honestly hope that you'll be proven wrong.
That doesn't happen often though.
Thanks, once again.

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