Liverpool Banter Archive April 20 2016

20 Apr 2016 21:26:41
LOVING THIS!

Only downside, imo the better we get as a team, the more Lallana looks out of place.

He's not a bad player but just not on the same wavelength as most of our other attacking players.

I think he's been really poor tonight.

What are others thoughts on him?

20 Apr 2016 23:55:09
I have to agree, despite his performances improving I feel he slows the game down. He isn't capable of quick one touch football, and unlike the best players in his position like silva, de bruyne (no I'm not a city fan) he doesn't seem to have his head on the turn all the time understanding where everyone is on the pitch. This means he hasn't worked out his next move until he has collected the ball then taken a look around. Just my opinion but he needs replacing.

21 Apr 2016 00:01:36
He works hard and creates space. He should have had a hat trick tonight.
Even though he didn't get on the score sheet, he's getting in to the right positions. He's got a major role to play in this team.
Klopp really rates him and in Klopp I trust.

21 Apr 2016 00:14:07
Like Klopp said if you look lallana always the 1st one to press he's finish not good but the rest of his game he's good .

21 Apr 2016 00:32:05
Are you kidding?! He presses better than anyone else in the team and starts the press for everyone else! Yes he was wasteful in front of goal tonight but don't let that blind you to the other work he does. He is integral to the team right now!

21 Apr 2016 01:23:23
I thought Lallana bar the poor finish was really good tonight. Especially off the ball, he holds onto the ball too long sometimes but that's something that can be changed.

21 Apr 2016 01:54:08
he's useless at building up play and plays it safe all the time. he does manage to find himself in good positions with his workrate but then fluffs it when it comes to making an intricate pass or shot at goal. i also hate the way he gets the ball in space and decides to hold up play and let the opposing team get back into position as he does his fancy turns dodging them. not to mention he has the balance of a pisshead and gets shrugged off the ball all too easily. it is strange. I thought he was a decent finisher as he started his liverpool career. scored some decent goals. must have been flukes. i even thought once he could replace suarez because he looked good on the eye. lol. he needs to go to a midtable club that needs a hardworker. that's his level. no shame in that.

21 Apr 2016 01:56:55
Firmino and Coutinho all press hard too but they, unlike Lallana can finish and always release the ball in rhythm. Why can't Lallana do that? because he doesn't learn and keeps doing the same thing expecting different results.

21 Apr 2016 03:50:59
Llalana can be slow on the ball at times, and yes his finishing is poor at the moment, but he's also highly effective at pressing and presenting for the ball and capable of something special with his movement and vision.

He's not on his best form right now but I have confidence he can sort those issues out with good coaching, and with a bit of confidence can become someone very dangerous.

21 Apr 2016 04:48:51
Agree - Lallana was ordinary in a game where it wasn't hard to look good. I really like him, but he is frustrating to watch.

21 Apr 2016 05:08:13
Basically if lallana improves his end product he will be just as good as firmino IMO. He's got everything else, the jury is still out for me but he's got to push on till the end of the season otherwise we might see a new AM/ winger taking his spot.

21 Apr 2016 07:11:13
Klopp seems to be a great fan of Lallana so I don't think he's in any danger of being replaced. I expect Ojo to eventually overtake him in the reckoning.

21 Apr 2016 10:26:43
WiseRyan you cannot be serious I believe earlier in the season you demonstrated your disgust at Lallana's performances to the extent that you wished him the lowly ranking of a reserve player and that he should be playing with the youngsters (at U21 levels of course! ) . But here we are at blows again as our former Southampton saint and Bournemouth Cherry Adam has turned in a few terrific performances over the past year, certainly under our new German boss Jürgen Klopp (who of course used to manage Borussia Dortmund and 1. FSV Mainz 05). hehehe.

20 Apr 2016 22:31:47
I know strikers try to claim goals but is sturridge being a but desperate trying to claim that? It may of touched his arse hair on the way past. Coutinho goal all day long.

20 Apr 2016 23:12:12
I think he's joking but its coutinho.

21 Apr 2016 03:51:34
He was just teasing Coutinho.

20 Apr 2016 22:30:25
Also, has anyone else noticed how many more goals we are scoring at set pieces now. Seems to be since origi has started. Maybe having that one more attacking player with height is causing problems.

20 Apr 2016 22:55:37
Definitely much more organised at set pieces. Sahko and Lovren combination possibly also having an effect.

21 Apr 2016 02:04:34
Doesn't hurt if you have two CB's who actually communicate instead of playing alongside an aweful CB who can't communicate to save his life. I was referring to Skrtel, by the way.

21 Apr 2016 03:53:00
Agree Fencey, Origi is adding another dimension on set pieces for sure.

20 Apr 2016 22:21:03
What a result! Great to demolish the bitter blues like that. Love what klopp is doing to this team giving us hope again. To make it even better I had a fiver free bet on Origi first goal and Liverpool 4-0. Nice one the Red men!

20 Apr 2016 22:49:42
Yes mate :)

20 Apr 2016 22:18:13
If ed001 is available I would like an analysis and your opinion of the game ASAP please.

{Ed001's Note - what can I say about that? We destroyed them, but it is difficult to tell how much was down to them being utterly hopeless and how much was down to our excellence. We were excellent, we did the right things from start to finish but they were a shambles. They do not look like a team and they don't have a single player who can actually defend.

I can't remember ever seeing a more dominant derby win, that could have been 24-0 and they couldn't have complained that the score did not reflect the game. Sakho was imperious at times.

You need to temper the result with the fact they are clearly in disarray, but the way we dealt with them showed we are becoming an excellent well-drilled team. Once they went down to ten, we were exploiting the space brilliantly, constantly switching the ball from flank to flank to pull them all over the place. I could not be happier with that performance. If Klopp can get these players playing like this, imagine how good we will be when he gets his own players in????}

20 Apr 2016 22:31:58
Never seen a team just drop back so deep so early with two banks of four and yet still let our players have so much space. It was arguably one of the worst defensive performances in the premiership for a long time. Although I think that does Liverpool a slight injustice as some of our passing and interplay and the way we utilized the space was phenomenal. My favourite moment was between sturridge coutinho and Moreno down the left where there was a nutmeg a couple of little flicks over people's heads and a fantastic controlled ball across by Moreno, Brilliant!

20 Apr 2016 23:15:49
Completly agree ed. Just got back from the game now and it was embarrassing to watch everton. It was like a training session for us. Sakho was fantastic, won every header against lukaku. The whole team were great.

21 Apr 2016 02:07:35
60 million for Lukaku after being scolded by Sahko? Nonsense!

20 Apr 2016 22:35:23
Thank you for that ed really enjoyed reading that my missus got all paranoid about me smiling at my phone whilst reading lol. Not but I agree I do think the fact everton were poor will be a talking point but I think we made them poor by exploiting the space in behind them and capitalising on their errors. Another thing mate what will the FA do about fines Mori basically celebrating nearly snapping orgis leg shocking behaviour from a professional that. Cheers mate.

{Ed001's Note - that is a good question, it was a shocking tackle and it deserves a big punishment. Celebrating like that was sickening.}

20 Apr 2016 23:50:54
Ed I completely agree about sakho. Every ball out from the back or into the box was Mrs by sakhos head. Not only that but the distance he gets on clearing headers is excellent. Combine that with excellent tracking of his man and tackling he looks a beast of a defender. Now he just needs to do it consistently to be the best in the league.

Also he seems to be a real character. I don't know what his celebration with toure was all about, but he seems to be a favourite amongst the players. Future captain for me.

20 Apr 2016 22:10:42
41 attempts on goal for Liverpool 3 for Everton, I guess we could say they got lucky tonight.

20 Apr 2016 20:50:13
How many assists is that for milner now this year?

20 Apr 2016 20:52:13
Glad I stuck up for him while the majority ripped into him. He's not flash but he is quality!

20 Apr 2016 20:56:55
I forgot to put, if he is played out wide, I don't think he is a central midfielder, but is that his fault if he gets out there?

20 Apr 2016 21:32:17
Hem b,

Okay then mate.

20 Apr 2016 22:01:49
Think they said 14 with 2 in both the last two home games. if he kept that up he could out assist ozil which would be an incredible decision.

20 Apr 2016 22:07:34
12 I think.

20 Apr 2016 22:21:32
11 in the league all season.

21 Apr 2016 02:09:55
14 in all comps, I think.

21 Apr 2016 10:41:30
You don't have to tell me Hem b that he's not the flash, for starters the two don't share a name. Secondly having disguised myself and worked closely with the lad this season I can tell you that barry has double the personality and put quite bluntly the SPEED FORCE. Thirdly despite the injunction on the papers I can reveal that barry has a far superior forrest gump impression. Fourthly do you know who I am and what I represent. if you did I don't think you would mention flash in my domain. I am a speed demon and you should fear me and my fazing hand which will surely faze through something if you catch what I'm trying to describe.
yours sincerely
Hunter Zolomon.

20 Apr 2016
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20 Apr 2016 16:55:51
i think the players now believe in klopp and his way of playing because it shows on the pitch, we have played 2 games where klopp has changed the team and we all know how hard it is to change players for one game and still play well and win, the last few games has shown we are playing consitantly and winning, when we go behind in a game i feel we can still win and after the Dortmund game at anfield it has got all the players at the club playing well, under BR we never had this feeling and if we went behind that would be it, but if we go behind now the players seem to get more hungry and start scoring, if we end the season on a high still winning games then it will be very interesting in the summer and pre-seasonand klopp will add to the quality of the squad, he has already got 2 players who I've never heard of and he will get more players with quality so next season will be a very good one for us and i thonk we will finish in the top 4 easily.

20 Apr 2016 16:05:55
This post is aimed specifically at MK Scouser but everybody feel free to get involved.

MK I remember you said not so long ago (maybe like a month ago, maybe a wee bit longer) that Klopp was finally getting consistent and the team were playing consistently. Now fair enough following that we went and threw a lead away at Southampton however, generally speaking, I think you were/ are right. I criticised you at the time (for using stats) and thought it was too early to say but, i'll put me hands up, you were right. We have shown far more consistency and it has shown on the pitch.

I've disagreed before over a number of opinions but don't mind admitting being wrong - fair play lad you called it and we are seeing it, long may it continue eh.

20 Apr 2016 16:15:27
Hats off to seano.

{Ed001's Note - agreed Gazza, it was very big of him to apologise like that. I hope I will be as magnanimous if it ever should happen that I am wrong about something ;-)

20 Apr 2016 16:32:31
Seano I didn't take it personally mate. You're a regular poster here who shares some great views.

I could just as easily have been wrong! Fair play to you for being so humble. You didn't have to though buddy. I never hold grudges. I could just see slight improvements all over the pitch and it just seemed like the true beginning of some actual consistency. After so many false dawns you were understandably skeptical.

Besides, I am the guy who once defended and supported the signing of Balotelli so I'm about as credible as the S*n!

20 Apr 2016 16:55:08
Seano and MK, two good posts lads.

20 Apr 2016 17:09:08
I know you didn't take it personally mate but you were bang on and I was way off and so don't mind saying fair do's, admitting I was wrong and giving you credit were it's due - I've pulled apart a few of your opinions before and so I think it fair to give you credit when you get it right - it's all good man!

Think everybody has had clangers on here when it comes to opinions - I was writing Sturridge off before we signed him - it's the way it goes eh. All good fun. Let's hope for a win tonight!

20 Apr 2016 17:15:41
"Sean and Adam sitting in a tree,

K-I-S-S-I-N-G"

Seriously tho, that's why I keep coming back to this site.

We have our fair share of knobs, but overall we're all pretty reasonable, decent people (not counting Harry in this, of course ;-)

20 Apr 2016 17:33:11
Well done MK and Seano, fair play lads.

20 Apr 2016 17:43:40
Get a room lads, comfort in are doing a deal.

20 Apr 2016 17:54:21
What's going on? Why are fans of the same team on an online forum getting on?

20 Apr 2016 18:51:45
And MK Gandhi is smiling in his heaven.

20 Apr 2016 19:20:13
Get a room haha, well played for admitting you were wrong. let's see ed002 next 😏.

20 Apr 2016 15:32:11
Would you rather:
1.) Win the Europa League and finish 8th
OR
2.) Finish 4th but don't win the Europa League

Winning the Europa League would be nice as its always good to win trophys but on the other hand finishing 4th would probably make other teams and potential transfer targets take us more seriously.

20 Apr 2016 15:52:51
Come on Hounsred.

Win Europa and finish 8th. Football is all about winning trophies not finishing 4th every year. Ask Arsenal.

20 Apr 2016 15:52:52
Win the Europa League and finish 8th. We go into the Champions league anyway, and attract transfer targets.

20 Apr 2016 15:53:54
You get CL through winning Europa league so bit of a no brainer. Trophy and CL.

20 Apr 2016 16:01:41
Trophies mate, all about trophies.

20 Apr 2016 16:35:51
I would take the EL and finish bottom half for all I care (except for relegation of course) . Champions league spot and a trophy.

20 Apr 2016 16:43:20
win the europa league and finish 4th :) ), but its a decision between a cup now or entering another cup competition which we will find very difficult to win, so its the europa for me.

20 Apr 2016 12:33:55
I've been trying to work out whether or not the Europa League is worth it financially. Not because it's important, just because I'm interested, this is what I've figured out. Obviously the big money is in the Premier League and the Champions League, we stand to receive somewhere in the region of £90-95m from the Premier League this year, last year we earned around £27m from our CL adventure and single tie in the Europa League (City earned £36m from their campaign) .

Trying to figure out how much we'll get from the Europa League is complicated, in prize money we'll receive just over £6m if we get knocked out in the semis and a little over £11m if we win. However we also get money from the TV rights. How much we'll get is very hard to work out, UEFA don't specify how it's calculated but basically the money is shared between the associations with the biggest getting the most (i. e the Premier League) . That slice is then divided again between the competing teams from that association with the largest share going to who goes the furthest (i. e. us) . I can't accurately predict what it will be but going by previous years and this year's increase our share could be anywhere from £7-£12m.

If you tie in the £2.4-£3.2 we'll make depending on whether we win or lose the Super Cup next year we potentially stand to make up to £26m if we can the EL this year. That is certainly not small fry, especially when you consider there will be a healthy amount of match-day revenue as well. I like winning trophies and I like Liverpool getting money. The Europa League gives us both :)

20 Apr 2016 13:07:20
Definitely worth it for me, it's another potential trophy, it's a another way to get in CL, it also gives fringe players the opportunity to impress, which they wouldn't get otherwise!
Plus if we wasn't in it we wouldn't have had the Dortmund game and all that came with it.

20 Apr 2016 13:16:24
It's interesting to know that. It doesn't change my opinion though. The Europa league is the second biggest trophy in Europe behind the CL. For me it's harder to win than it is credited to be. The only reason I'd rather a league title is because it's been so long since that last happened. If we were in Chelsea, Man U or City's shoes though (winning the league regularly) I'd rather win the Europa league.

The money is irrelevant to me. I won't see any of it lol. All I care about is trophies. If that money helps, cool. I want to see the players wearing medals and dancing with a cup under red confetti. Sod the money. I'm in it for the entertainment and European competitions are the pinnacle of that.

20 Apr 2016 13:46:46
Interesting Muscatred but I think probably oversimplified to show anything. Attached to everything there is tv money. Then there are sponsorship deals. Then this is the additional costs of lumping between 25 and 60 people around for every game. Then Taxes take their pieces. Then there is the reputation and media gain. List goes on and on.

20 Apr 2016 13:47:02
You tried to work out whether its financially efficient to win a certain trophy? Wow this is what football has come to.

20 Apr 2016 14:26:26
The EL is defo more difficult to win than the CL because you play so many more games thru out the continent and the team that wins it has DEFO deserved it. I disagree with Muscat. The EL is a European trophy that is always good to win. Rafa almost made the final in 2010 had we not lost on away goals to AM. The prestige from winning a European trophy cannot be quantified financially even if a CL berth was not attached to it hence, we go win it, end of.

20 Apr 2016 16:29:15
Hey woolback, this wasn't one of my weird stats things, I was just interested how much we stood to make if we won it as everyone's always saying there's no money in it.

20 Apr 2016 15:47:12
When we look back in history, no-one will care about the financial rewards of winning trophies, just the trophy with our name etched on it.

20 Apr 2016 11:47:41
Sorry if been asked before but curious if anyone can provide some info on grujic. Have tried to look into him over past view months and can only find highlights (which make Sunday league look like the premiership) and a sky review on him.

Sky review is odd as starts by comparing him to matic and how he has great tactical sense and reading of the game. then finishes saying he should play behind striker or winger. so genuinely have no idea what to make of the lad!

20 Apr 2016 12:10:04
I highly doubt anyone here would give an honest review about the player rather pure speculation. The player claims himself as the new version of Matic and hence the holding midfielder comparison. The posters here have already labeled him as a the next Alonso.
I expect the kid to take at least 3 good years to make it to the league and its physicality.

20 Apr 2016 13:34:02
Serbian version of emre can but can score.

20 Apr 2016 14:31:32
There are some great short videos on youtube that don't pick out the players best moments, but instead show every time they touched the ball in any given match- so they show both good and bad touches.
These vids are a million miles from watching a player live, but since we can't get to belgrade or many other european games, watching them might give you some kind of idea what cockups a player is prone to, as well as what tjings they do well.
Grujic looks a pretty decent player from the match-touch compilations I've watched.

20 Apr 2016 10:56:58
Let's stick the knife into Martinez's Everton career tonight! Then it's up to him to stop anyone from twisting it.

YNWA!

20 Apr 2016 12:15:24
It hardy ever goes the way form says it should. I fancy 5-1 to us but wouldn't be at all surprised if the blues nicked a 1 nil. Hope destroy them. Already spoilt my Saturday what a choice mancs or Blues for a cup final . Hope they have a 22 man brawl an both get banned.

20 Apr 2016 12:34:27
Don't turn into them John - if they can win the FA then good on them as long as they don't embarrass us in Europe!

20 Apr 2016 14:31:11
With Martinez in charge, he has been embarrassing them for two seasons now and that is not about to change, Hijkle.

20 Apr 2016 16:07:29
Thats true but they've also had a fair number of decent days under him, just utterly lacking consistency. As long as they can get out of the groups in Europa I don't care.

20 Apr 2016 10:00:53
As a kiwi living in Australia tomorrow morning in the derby I become a kiwi aussie scouser. Good luck lads.

20 Apr 2016 11:24:55
ha love getting up at 5am for games. its the 2am ones that are a bit dicey! espe ially trying not to wake the misso and young fella.

20 Apr 2016 12:45:17
So true the positive is i'll actually be on time for work given the game finishes at 6.45an No choice but to go in early!