Liverpool Banter Archive August 20 2015

 

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20 Aug 2015 23:48:55
Apparently Sakho been offered a new contract? Jesus eds are things actually as "all over the shop" at the club as they look right now?

"Let's sell him. oh, we can't get enough. let's offer him a new contract with more dosh"

What the hell is actually going on

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21 Aug 2015 06:04:38
Maybe no it alls are too quick to jump to conclusions rather than wait and see what plays out.

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20 Aug 2015 23:46:56
Just watched the John Barnes documentary. Reminded me what a great professional and player he was. I remember 'Digger' week in week out amazing us with his match changing skills. He seems such a humble man too, maybe the club should be bringing him in as an ambassador or coach for our attacking players.

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21 Aug 2015 00:02:04
Remember meeting him as a kid and he was an absolute gent! Spent ages chatting to me and me da (Man U fan) just after we'd won the league!

Absolute legend and part of our best ever transfer window (before it existed!)

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21 Aug 2015 00:13:37
My favourite all time player. How we could do with him now. Still get goosebumps when I watch some of his skills and goals. His passing was amazing too. How much would he be worth in his prime on today's market?

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21 Aug 2015 05:50:53
I used to time my haircut to sit next to him every week. Without fail he'd be in the barbers on Smithdown Road every Tuesday at 3pm. Had many conversations with him, not all about football.

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21 Aug 2015 05:53:25
I remember standing on the Kop with my old man in Barnsey's first game. I was just a kid but can remember wondering why some fellas were booing him straight away. A few of the crowd started getting into them and telling them to shut up they were an embarrassment. Then my dad explained to me that he was our first black player. Typical, my dad being wrong, my mum later told me that Howard Gayle was our first black player and his family had lived down the road from her in Toxteth.

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21 Aug 2015 11:53:50
Felt really sick when I heard our fans doing monkey noises and throwing bananas at him, he should be so proud of himself

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20 Aug 2015 23:30:03
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry couldn't help it. Mkhityrian rumours again

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21 Aug 2015 11:01:01
I hope they're correct. I wasted an entire summer learning how to correctly spell Mkhitaryan.

Come on Ayre, I can barely spell my sisters name. Don't make my efforts pointless.

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20 Aug 2015 23:16:22
Hey ed,
have you heard anything about Sakho being offered a new contract? And how would that change the current situation?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool can't sell him as I have explained - his agent has made the situation absolutely clear that the matter needs to be resolved. Loaning him out does not get Liverpool out of the financial mess they are in right now. They need sales.}

20 Aug 2015 23:03:07
Sakho has been offered a five year deal to stay at LFC at around ยฃ100,000 a week

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20 Aug 2015 23:02:02
Have we offered Sakho a new deal? Guardian seems to think that's the case. Can't see how that can be right if Rodgers doesn't rate him though.

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20 Aug 2015 22:56:33
Hi guys, a perfect start to the season results wise! Not got much info apart from Gomez wanting to challenge for skrtels position soon, sakho is happy at the club despite what people say, could change of course, also not Liverpool related but Eddie Howe will likely be next England manager especially if he can keep Bournemouth up. Addy ward was at the game no idea why but he had to buy his own ticket. Speak soon. Cheers

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20 Aug 2015 22:48:11
Absolutely delighted that Sakho has been offered a new five year contract. Our best centre back at the club. Hopefully if/when Sakho signs the new contract there are assurances of playing time. Then lovren will finally be gone!!

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21 Aug 2015 00:39:09
If anyone assures players of "playing time" they should be run out of the club by the owners.
It is completely self defeating for managers to agree to this.
Competition for places is the only way to maintain performance at a club:

No player should ever week or be given assurances of playing time. You earn your place and you work damn hard to keep it. Full stop.

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21 Aug 2015 05:29:28
bt that's not the situation now is it ron?

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21 Aug 2015 06:55:09
I don't know Kaizer, but it shouldn't be.

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21 Aug 2015 07:22:20
If only that were the case

James Milner.

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20 Aug 2015 22:12:29
Ed002 what do you know about witchcraft,first i bought a pacheco shirt and i made him disappear then i bought a suso shirt and wore it to a norwich game where we chanted his name .should i stop buying shirts now i think i'm cursed

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{Ed002's Note - You need to buy a Balotelli shirt.}

21 Aug 2015 00:13:10
Haha, and a Enrique away shirt! :)

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21 Aug 2015 02:11:27
I don't mean to steal your thunder 'Hoody' but I once had Le Tallec on a white away strip and Cheyrou on a black one.

Top that.

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21 Aug 2015 07:02:40
Can I send you a home Allen shirt, Away Enrique shirt and 3rd Balotelli shirt?

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21 Aug 2015 07:17:18
I had a Salif Diao shirt once smplfc. I'm embarrassed for myself!

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21 Aug 2015 07:58:27
I had Torres Gerrard and Suarez. That's it I'm getting Hazard

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21 Aug 2015 10:54:13
Ed001 had (Paul) Stewart on a home shirt.

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{Ed001's Note - I have only ever had a couple of people's names on my shirt, I had a Berger one he gave me and a Carragher one he gave me, other than that I would never have bothered as they just leave. Paul Stewart would have been great if it worked, except, knowing my luck, the shirt sale would have been enough for the club to keep him!}

20 Aug 2015 21:59:44
Hi Ed's,

A couple of questions regarding loans if I may:

If a player goes on loan does the loaning club have to pay the loan fee (if there is one) upfront / in the period of the loan - i.e. 12 months?

For youth / young player loans do the loaning club typically pay a fee if it is for the player to get more experience?

I saw a German defender (reported on Sky) that has joined Roma had a loan fee of 4m euros - would we have got a similar fee for Borini when he went to Sunderland?

Many thanks in advance

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{Ed002's Note - It is entirely case-by-case whether the loaning club pay a fee, get a fee or there is no fee. The same with wages whilst on loan. Liverpool recieved a tiny little over ยฃ1M for the loan of Borini to Sunderland with Sunderland paying the FA costs of 5%.}

21 Aug 2015 00:08:49
Cheers Ed002 - much appreciated.

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21 Aug 2015 04:42:49
The FA levy applies to loan fees as well? Didn't realize that, interesting.

On a related note, what exactly do they do with all the cash they must be raking in?

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{Ed002's Note - It goesin to the pot.}

21 Aug 2015 10:05:47
Christmas party. and Rolex

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21 Aug 2015 10:54:53
Their Christmas dinner must be one hell of a shindig

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20 Aug 2015 21:46:12
We can't buy, we can't sell, we can't even register a team. It seems we are like a headless chicken running all over the place. Are there any reasons why I should be optimistic about this season? Anth?

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21 Aug 2015 00:20:13
You've just listed 3 problems but there is only 1 of them actually a problem.

We can't buy - so what, we need to stop buying we have bought loads.
We can't sell - transfer window is still open and looking like we'll have to loan a few instead of sell so yes we will be short in cash.
We can't even register a team - same problem as above and this will be sorted once a few players go on loan.

We have improved the squad and we have won our first two matches so be optimistic about that maybe?

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{Ed002's Note - I think you are really missing the financial implications Sean.}

21 Aug 2015 13:28:50
Sorry Ed002 but I'm not trying to belittle the financial problem I am just trying to say that selling players and having too many is the same problem.

I think Steph's OP reads like these are separate issues and I'm just saying if we sold players then we'd have less available to register so it is the one same problem.

I completely understand the financial problems. I think we have purchased too many and sold too few again. I would have sold Skrtel and Allen without purchasing additional replacements to try to help this.

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{Ed002's Note - You understand the potential FFP situation?}

22 Aug 2015 10:45:37
I understand we have massively overspent year after year and I have already given examples above of some things I'd have done to help. I'm not trying to say I know more than you.

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20 Aug 2015 20:10:55
Havent posted sensibly for about 6 months but have been tuning in every day without fail
One thing that strikes me about our club and the opinions of most about rodgers is that unfortunately liverpool managers should be taken from a selected few.

It is obvious that rodgers is not upto the job

The job itself should only attract the best and strongest of men that can handle the players, the press, the expectations, the pressure and can make the right decisions for the benefit of the club
At the minute i don't see any of this happening
It doesn't matter where we finish in the league or what we don't win, liverpool football club is up there with the top 5 clubs in the world and needs a manager to live up to this status.
Under rodgers we are losing the essence of what liverpool football club is and was
Reading the eds replies about the youth, promises and transfers only reinforces the fact that the manager is the 12th man and without the right man in the chair we cannot fo any further forward

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20 Aug 2015 20:44:24
Don't get me wrong I love our club but we're far from top 5 in the world. We might have a big fan base but trophies give you prestige and we can't live in the past. By that reckoning notts forest would be prestigious too

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20 Aug 2015 21:24:43
I think its sad that the other night when we brought on moreno my instant reaction was to ask ed001 isthis was o driscoll at work trying to stretch the defence, its the sort of tactical change that we haven't seen under brendan .im just hoping the owners and the staff around them have a points tally they need to achive by december so maybe if its all going tits up they have a month to look at their options

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20 Aug 2015 18:38:21
Does anyone else out there think that balotelli hasn't been given a fair chance with us? I no his attitude isn't great but the lad onviously has talent. Will he be given another shot or is it nailed on that he will be leaving?

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20 Aug 2015 19:23:30
Why does he deserve any chance if he can't be arsed liked all the other professionals in our team?

He should leave. LFC is a professional club, and we should deal with professional players.

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20 Aug 2015 19:40:31
He's not getting another chance.

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20 Aug 2015 19:57:19
He has been given a chance actually. Many times and without fail he looked not only like he doesn't even enjoy football, but more importantly he was not good. Lambert should have been the one given more chances.

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20 Aug 2015 20:14:04
He started many games last year and came as a substitute in many others. With Sturridge injured we were desperate for him to produce something and he got many chances but was absolutly awful. What is a fair chance in your view? let him start for three whole seasons until he finds his form?

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20 Aug 2015 21:00:09
I'd have to say tho,he was played up front on his own quite a few times which is definately not the way to get the best from him

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20 Aug 2015 22:43:03
Who was actually good last season? I'm a huge coutinho fan as well but 5 goals and 4 assists is what I thought I saw? No one had a good season. It's a good thing we had Mario and BR (the latter probably deserves it lol) to blame.

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20 Aug 2015 23:31:05
He got far too many chances, which should have been Lamberts

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21 Aug 2015 05:59:14
Balotelli is up there with the worse signings ever for us. I wouldn't put him up there with El Hadj Prick, more along the lines of Collymore and Babel, who had all the talent but wrong mentality.

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20 Aug 2015 18:26:20
Hi Everyone

It might just be me but was anyone impressed with Moreno's cameo at the end of the game the other night? I thought his sprints of pace were exciting to see, even if his touch did let him down at times, I think if he works on that he could be a very big attacking threat. I've never seen the lad as a natural left back but more as a winger, his change of pace when he cuts inside when he's on a run is excellent. Admittedly his defensive qualities are woeful but I remember when we was doing the deal, I read a peice by Guilleme Balague saying he was the fastest player in La Liga & he could end up going the same way as Gareth Bale did in respect of starting as a left back & develpoing into a top winger. What's people's thought?

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{Ed001's Note - he started out as a winger and often played there before we signed him.}

21 Aug 2015 06:00:41
Ed002 told us a year ago it would be a mistake to sign him, not just for his defensive deficiencies.

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20 Aug 2015 17:25:39
Just listened to the first podcast and I'd have to say that ED001 has summed up Brendan Rodgers to a tee.
Very professional and well worth a listen (the podcast, not Rodgers !)
Maybe a song or a comedian half-way through ?
Don't disturb me for a bit, I'm going to tune in to the second one.
(You both sound good on radio. you must be really ugly otherwise you'd be on telly)

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{Ed001's Note - unfortunately I am just too pretty for TV, I can't cope with the stalkers. You are right about benny though, he has a face even his mother couldn't love sadly.}

20 Aug 2015 18:35:30
Your mother loved it ed.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, it made for a great pic for her dartboard.}

21 Aug 2015 06:02:23
You've never been filmed in 4k ultra Ed, even I look bad on that :)

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{Ed001's Note - even? Hmmmm not so sure even is the right word there. As for me, it just exposes my flawless complexion and stunning good looks in greater clarity.....}

20 Aug 2015 17:23:10
Hi eds and reds,

I'm sure you are correct and everything, but I was just wondering something. How do you actually know Rodgers did not watch the academy game yesterday? Is the fact he didn't made public? I just am not sure how you know. Plus, surely he can watch a full match video on a computer? I'm not sure we can really judge him on that.

Thanks for your response in advance,
lfc4ever

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{Ed001's Note - yes he can watch it via a video, but there is no substitute for getting to the game and giving those youngsters playing a lift. As for how I know, the same way I get other info, people involved tell you. It is a source of constant friction within the club, which is why Pepjin was promoted to act as the buffer between first team and academy.}

20 Aug 2015 18:16:23
Thanks ed

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{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome.}

20 Aug 2015 16:26:11
What sort of figure .............

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{Ed002's Note - We are not going to get in to that.}

20 Aug 2015 11:32:37
I hear a little rumour we might be in treated in Nicholas gratin. Any truth in this or just paper talk again.

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{Ed002's Note - Did you hear this on Masterchef?}

20 Aug 2015 17:32:40
World class reply by Ed002

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20 Aug 2015 17:47:11
You sir are a mastered! Hats off

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20 Aug 2015 17:10:49
Brilliant stuff 02

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20 Aug 2015 18:27:01
Getting well cheesed off with the sycophancy !!!

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21 Aug 2015 11:51:09
haha, it can be a little sickening at times Molby!

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20 Aug 2015 14:52:23
with lalana saying we have a plan for the gunners on monday i hope he is right, to many times we have gone there and been naive and not got a result hoping to put an end to the bad results at the emirates n contine our good start YNWA

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20 Aug 2015 15:29:14
On another noe, He might start yet again and someone is getting dropped. Should be Firmino.

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20 Aug 2015 15:40:41
What he means by we have a plan is, nothing has been said and Rodgers will play exactly like we are playing any body else and we will lose!

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20 Aug 2015 16:17:20
I have a funny feeling we're going to beat Arsenal. No particular thought process just a pure hunch

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20 Aug 2015 19:26:31
Frimino never started to get dropped. But hey, it's the wonderful weird world of Harry right?

Lallana should focus on coming up with a plan to improve his performance before Firmino takes his place.

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20 Aug 2015 20:15:01
Lets hope the plan is not to play Lallana

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20 Aug 2015 14:47:32
Good effort Mr ed1 and Mr Benny ball player on the 2nd podcast keep it up

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{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

20 Aug 2015 12:05:42
Loved the podcast! I just wanted to make a point regarding 'big team bias', I don't think there is a bias I just believe that the bigger teams have the quality to punish the decisions. Just my opinion but the TV and media never show a bad decision that doesn't relate to a big effect on the game. I.e. Player is played in but is offside and misses, it just gets shrugged off as it hasn't effected the game. Change that situation where the player scores and the furore begins. And that's where the quality comes in.

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{Ed001's Note - I can see your point, but I think it is clear that 50/50 decisions tend to go in favour of the big teams more often than not.}

20 Aug 2015 15:13:56
Ed just another question on that issue.
My own thoughts on it were if he wanted to lovren could have headed it, he wouldn't have even needed to jump to do that and he played for the foul. I think Gary Neville wrongly said he'd misjudged the flight and got underneath it which was BS IMO a person that was 5 foot could have still jumped and headed that ball.
My question is why is the attacker even putting his hands on lovren. You are inviting the ref to make a decision there,a natural jumping action does not involve resting both your hands on some ones shoulder. If I was a coach I'd tell my players to avoid stuff like that at all costs.I agree bigger clubs get the rub of the green,but why are little clubs not drilling it into players then,given the disadvantage they face not to gift invitations to blow the whistle out. I am not blaming to Bournemouth player per se,but if he jumps in an ''honest '' motion,and connects,he scores that goal legitimately.

Also I agree with a snippet of the podcast,leaving out Ibe currently may be a good thing as you can fit in Can/Lucas Hendo and Milner in the midfield then and use him asn an impact sub. Having seen the way we've played in our 2 openers I think that would be best.
Not a reflection on Ibe's skill etc but currently he's surrounded without much support on the wing and not able to recycle possession.

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{Ed001's Note - I do agree Lovren could have headed it, I am still unsure if he was just expecting Mignolet to come flying in or not.

I also agree, it annoys me when players jump with their arms up when probably the best header of the ball the game has ever seen jumped with his arms by his side. I am referring to John Charles. There is simply no need to raise the arms and it would cut down on a lot of nasty injuries if it was ruled a foul the minute a player raised his arms to jump.

You would have to ask the Bournemouth player why he felt the need to put his hands on Lovren, as I really don't get it. Players are coached to use their arms for leverage, but he was simply putting his hands on Lovren, not looking for extra height, as it wasn't needed.

I do love Ibe as a player, but he is not being used correctly, he would be much better off coming on and doing the role Moreno played.}

20 Aug 2015 16:57:41
Ed001 I agree that the 50/50's can sway towards big teams. I just feel that the bigger teams have a knack of punishing the mistakes and capitalising on their luck.

Regading Ilori is there any chance of him getting a chance or is he destined for the u21s and eventually sold? I like most rate him but you can never tell until they get a run of games.

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{Ed001's Note - there is always a chance, as there could be injuries, but it does seem unlikely to happen for him now.}

20 Aug 2015 18:11:24
It is fairly clear than big stadiums and big players have infuelnce. Players reputation helps, gerrard used to buy free kicks well, but Suarez and Ronaldo used to not win obvious free kicks because of their past.

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20 Aug 2015 11:53:51
1st it was just football rumours and football banter for all teams, Then eds changed their names from eds note to ed001/002, then we got separate teams rumour/banter pages now we have podcasts this site is the best on the internet and i'm proud to say I've been a supporter from (almost) the beginning. huge thank you to all the eds who work so hard to make this site wat it is, especially the tech ed who makes all the changes to improve the site (ed033 I think ?)

you guys make a lot of us saddo's very happy :)

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{Ed001's Note - especially Ed033? I would have said especially the posters, as without them there would be no point in having the sites.}

20 Aug 2015 14:16:19
I've been here since it was just one page with a bunch of rumours about teams everywhere. We're moving up boys

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20 Aug 2015 15:31:07
Same here Random, We had no sign off names back then. Google never had the adress on the first page.

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20 Aug 2015 17:03:20
I remember finding the page through google. Being Australian you'd think it rather fortunate if it happened another way, as before the original page, I'd never in my life been to a .co.uk site.

That and I'm sure you popped up 2-4 years ago with the notorious 'scousser' name. Either way you certainly have brought much joy to the site.

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20 Aug 2015 11:33:21
I'll try and post again.

Here are my thoughts on why certain players should be picked.

At present I see different perspectives on certain players being "good" or "awful" in their respective positions.

For me, it is not just about a player in a position, but how they are suited to fit into the overall system, and pattern of play.

take the example of Lallana or Ibe out wide.
Some are saying that Lallana can replay there and Ibe should as he has bags of pace. Agreed on the bags of pace bit but, dependent on how we play, this could be ineffective.
If we have a slow build up and lots of possession, then this allows opposition to get behind the ball and deny space in behind them - thus negating one of Ibe major positives as there is a lack of space for him to exploit.

Given this scenario, Lallana who is more suited to receiving ball in tight spaces (IMO) would be a better option than a true "out and out" winger.

The same can be applied to our centre halves. If we drop deep and defend our own box then Skrtel and Lovren who lack pace but attack the ball well are best pairing, if we played a high press than as both have a certain lack of pace Sakho would be a good option.

It is easy to state that this layer is better etc but each player has to fit into a "system" and cannot simply be dropped into another way of playing and expect to perform to the same standards as each player has different attributes.

A holistic view of how we set up and how we play needs to be taken - ideally you'd buy players that fit into the way you want to play.

thx for reading, hope generates some debate.

AggerDo

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but you seem to have missed the fact that the player we have, in terms of attacking the ball, is Sakho. He very rarely gets beaten by a forward, unlike Lovren and Skrtel, who are often selling themselves trying to win a ball and being embarrassed by the forward or just because they miss it completely.}

20 Aug 2015 13:02:10
Agger do

And who said we have a slow build up play? We had lots of possession last season only for BR to recieve truck load of absuses in this page.

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20 Aug 2015 13:05:02
This is for the stat lovers out there, Sakho had something like a 92% pass completion record last season but apparently is crap on the ball. Just saying

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20 Aug 2015 13:53:26
Br is not silly he sees lovren and skrtel as our best and I agree neither need a couple of touches to control the ball and panic in possession and pass as quickly as possible stats can be very deceiving, look at the stats who had most blocks most headed clearances most interceptions skrtel was second in premier

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{Ed001's Note - you really are bizarre, Skrtel and Lovren are both far worse and less composed on the ball than Sakho.}

20 Aug 2015 14:13:02
Ed001 - I haven't missed the fact

what I have said, or tried to say, is that Lovren and Skrtel get beaten playing higher up the pitch whereas both are more suited to playing in and around their own box, in a tight, compact formation.

I have also stated in numerous pervious posts, despite others giving him considerable stick, Sakho is by far the most complete passer out of our CBs and is about the only one who can pass through the middle third and find a forward.

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{Ed001's Note - but you just said those two were better at attacking the ball, which is completely untrue.}

20 Aug 2015 14:23:39
As an addition to the debate, stats from last season, based on %s and not totals are:

Sakho - Aerial duels won 48%, duels won 58%
Skrtel - Aerial duels won 70%, duels won 65%
Lovern - Aerial duels won 79%, duels won 66%

out of the 3 Sakho has lowest tackles won %, Lovern has lowest passing accuracy percentage

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{Ed001's Note - if you are just going to pull up stats it is pointless. Stats showed that Enrique wins more a higher percentage of tackles etc than anyone, but they fail to point out that he is usually missing. It is the same with Skrtel and Lovren, they are so far apart that their aerial challenges won are usually against little wide players where they are dragged out of position. Skrtel gets bullied off the ball every time we play any big forward, such as Benteke, who used to embarrass us each time we faced Villa. Stats have no context, attacking the ball means they are going forward into a challenge, not dropping off deep and making last ditch ones. Sakho is the one that tries to hold a line and attack the ball, Skrtel drops off and only sometimes rushes out to challenge, Lovren usually backs off then suddenly makes a mad lunge for the ball. Neither of the latter two are regularly attacking the ball, so you are still not making a case just putting up meaningless out of context stats. This is why I hate them, they are twisted so much.}

20 Aug 2015 14:31:43
I totally agree . sakho is better at one on ones maybe but lovern and skrtel are better with the ball . sakho looks awkward , seems to panic when in a tight spot, and sometimes tries back heels or flicks to get him outa trouble which can be seriously dangerous so close to goal and as for his pass completion record. its easy when u not under pressure to pass side to side ,back to the keeper , or simple into midfield. that can make your pass stats look good.

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{Ed001's Note - so you say Sakho doesn't play easy passes, then try and claim that easy passes inflate his stats. Odd.}

20 Aug 2015 14:35:32
not looking at the stats from last season.

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20 Aug 2015 15:21:14
Migs has had more clean sheets this calendar year than any other goalkeeper in the Prem. Doesn't mean he is the best keeper. Stats should be used as a rough aid when analysing the wider issue. Plus, you should state where you got the info from rather than just pepper a load of number and percentages around

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20 Aug 2015 15:57:32
don't believe I "just pulled up stats"

I added it to the points I was trying to make.

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20 Aug 2015 17:58:00
The thing with sakho is, he is pretty consistent for one mistake a game, unfortunately they often seem to lead to a chance for the opposition. Lovren and skrtel definitely make more mistakes, like ed1 said, lovrens diving in for the ball is embarrassing but also like you said it's generally in wider areas so the full back can cover, or to be fair sometimes Lovren redeems himself and gets a block in, maybe Rodgers looks at mistakes that directly lead to chances. I have no idea what the numbers are so this is just a theory but the only rational reason I can really think of that sakho wouldn't get in the team.

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20 Aug 2015 11:10:38
Ed001,

Hope your well mate, congratulations on the launch of your podcast, great to see such positivity coming from it.

A topic I would like to touch on is the communication between first team & academy/reserves. In honesty, i'm a football fan not someone being paid at the highest level to make decisions but could clearly see that there has been absolutely no need for several signings. The first, i'd say is Lallana who I think is a decent player, the problem is it was evident young Teixera who was waiting in the wings has similar if not more technical ability than Lallana. ยฃ25 million spent when we had a player ready to fill that position. The same with Markovic, I donโ€™t understand the reasoning when we have Jordan Ibe and too a similar extent Ilori with Lovren. I find it disappointing, a waste of time and money and it musnโ€™t give the academy players much hope of getting a chance in the first team in the future. A lot may argue that these players werenโ€™t ready, I would like to disagree. If you have the ability then it shoudlnt be a issue whether your 17 or 27 the only way you will physically and technically improve is by playing against and with men. It should be the case in my eyes where we look to the academy first, if there isnโ€™t a solution there then we look to the market. Add 2 or 3 top level players to the team (the bottle of champagne) instead of 9-10 bottles of Lambrisco. Does Brendan have a say in the academy? Does he show real interest in what goes on? And finally, going forward with out new coaching staff, do you see some of the younger lads being given the chance, especially if Sakho & Lucas leave,

Many thanks

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{Ed001's Note - he doesn't show any real interest other than to have a few academy lads up to train with the first team. That is often seen as just making up numbers for training games etc though, as, like you pointed out, there is so little chance of them actually getting a game no matter how well they perform in training.
I hope that the new coaching staff will push forward a few more of the youngsters, as O'Driscoll did with Gomez, I hope he can do the same with a few already at the club. I am not convinced it will happen though.}

20 Aug 2015 13:08:35
Its a real shame isn't it. It seems one player may leave the club and the fans talk about the next player coming in not coming through and that mentality is now blooded into the management of the club. It kinda makes me think what the point of a Academy is. Only by luck have Sterling, Ibe & Flanagan been given chances not by great management, progression and trust. He's a con, as you say I hope O'Driscoll can push his ideas forward and give some of the greater talented kids a go like he has with Gomez.

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20 Aug 2015 13:59:43
I am a bit tired of the 'not enough academy players in the squad debate'. Also - I am not reading the banter pages of other top clubs, but my guess is that this is an LFC fans particular obsession.

People have to accept that in this day and age, statistically the chance that an Academy of a club will provide more than one player to senior team is very low. Long gone the day of Backham and friends. How many players in the starting 11 of Chelsea, the current ManU, City and Arsenal are? We actually have Ibe, we had Flano - not BR's fault that he got injured and we had Sterling although not sure if he can be considered our academy graduate. All of them promoted by BR btw, and found their way to the first team (I personally think Ibe is not good enough for the first team but will not get into that now). AnfeildApple, not sure what you mean by 'pure luck'? Wasn't it BR who decided to give them a chance? Wasn't it his decision to bring Ibe from loan? How was that luck?

You can argue that if the academy does not provide players to the first team what is a point of an academy, fair point but I assume it is still worth it as a source of income if the players go to other teams. In any case, the route for the first team of clubs like LFC now, unless it is an exceptional talent, is to go for a loan and if a player proves himself there he will be back with us. Perfectly legitimate way. Unfortunately a lot of our academy players are not good enough for our first team.

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{Ed001's Note - neither Ibe nor Sterling were academy graduates. Sterling and Flanno were in and around the first team squad when Rodgers arrived. They were not promoted by Rodgers at all. The difference is between the 4 you are comparing us with and us, is simply finances. Those four have more money to buy ready made players, so, to have any chance of competing in the long term, we need to produce players of our own. Going head to head buying players will just see us gradually lose ground.}

20 Aug 2015 14:06:28
Nice to see Brendan at the mini derby last night. Oh no wait, he couldn't be bothered yet again.

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20 Aug 2015 14:07:40
Hi Ed001

Liverpool played Everton under 21 last night and Rodgers was nowhere to be seen (i may be wrong), if a manager can't be botherec to watch a game like that then I feel sorry for the young kids playing. It must be so soul destroying to put performances in like Teixeira and not get noticed/watched by the first team manager.
llori also strolled through the first half, made the game look easy. He needs to step up to challenge himself either at Liverpool or somewhere else.

Evered

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{Ed001's Note - it is something that I have mentioned before, it drives me up the wall. Dalglish, even Hodgson, managed to find time to get to the academy games on a regular basis.}

20 Aug 2015 15:06:52
Fanobip it hasn't changed at all, the new Fowlers, Owens, McManamans and Gerrards are still there but they're just not getting first team opportunities and instead we buy in players at huge expense.

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20 Aug 2015 15:32:27
Lets remember Fanobip Konoplyanka and Salah were being touted, only for them deals to not happen Sterling was given the chance. If either of those players signed, would Sterling have got games? Its really only Britain that don't utilise their academy, when you have players good enough why not let them step up? Every player starts off in a academy at a club, they don't just fall into stardom.

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20 Aug 2015 09:50:00
Hello Eds.

With all the recent stories about Sahko leaving, it got me thinking.

A lot of the players that we seem to be offloading every year are players that have been purchased while Rodgers has been at the club. They also didn't exactly come to us cheap.

We have FFP(although relaxed slightly) still hanging over us and it's been mentioned on numerous occasions, that we're taking on more and more debt.

Surely this is a huge concern for the club? Especially if we're paying huge sums of money for players that are here for a year and then shipped out at a cut price or on loan.

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - yes it is a concern, which is why they tried to resolve it by appointing a transfer committee.}

20 Aug 2015 10:57:26
One of Rodgers' many deficiencies. Buying players and playing them out of position is another. Hopefully some lessons have been learnt as we haven't seen too much of that this season.(yet)

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20 Aug 2015 10:57:45
I don't wish to seem doom and gloom, but the Transfer committee doesn't seem to be doing anything to solve the issue's. We're still paying ยฃ20 million for CB's that we don't use and ยฃ18 million for LB's that we don't use, not to mention the fact that we had 3 strikers last year, none of which got a look in(Studge was injured so not included) yet 2 of them were signed that season.

It was only in 2011 that we so very nearly went bust, why are we not learning our lesson?!

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20 Aug 2015 09:21:57
Just heard that you can see our new roof being built from one of the stands at Goodison Park. Hope that was done on purpose!

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20 Aug 2015 09:04:33
What a beauty,My work colleague is off on holiday so I have to pick up the slack,nothing better than logging on while waiting for reports to download,reading RK defend BR to the hilt,EG comment on every thread,and Haych post an essay to help thosE 10 minuites pass,then when I need to review the reports,slot in the earpieces and listen to the podcast with a nice milk and 2 brew!!
BEAUTY

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20 Aug 2015 07:57:38
Hi ed.
Is it just me but I fail to see why people are getting on their high horse re the sakho situation. For one he never looks comfortable on the ball, he sometimes doesn't look like he can't pass,and he has a 50 pence head as the ball goes all over the place . I recall games last season where the opposition crowd were getting excited when he had the ball because they knew there would be a chance he would make a mistake.
I for one wouldn't be too concerned if he did go he's a liability in my eyes at the back.

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{Ed001's Note - he has the same ungainly look as Peter Crouch, but also it is a false impression as he is very good on the ball. His heading is a worry, but his ability on the ball is the best of our first team centre backs.}

20 Aug 2015 08:30:51
Sakho for me is our best centre back and he should be in the first 11 ahead of Lovren for sure.

Ed001 Sakho was brought by Rodgers so why all of a sudden does Rodgers now not rate him and wants to sell him at a loss ?

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{Ed001's Note - because he doesn't see what many of us see. I don't understand it myself. It is quite odd how he prefers defenders that lack pace, while playing a system that really needs pacey centre backs.}

20 Aug 2015 08:57:21
It's quite odd how he is the manager then if he can't see it!

I'm not claiming to be in the know or anything!. But I got told it's more to do with lovren fitting in and Sakho not, Rodgers likes his group to all fit together nicely and Sakho doesn't get involved with everyone. Where as lovren is the complete opposite and everyone loves him!

Again not saying it's true or I'm in the know just what I was told but my dogs brothers uncle type of thing :/

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{Ed001's Note - Sakho is very close with a lot of the squad, very well liked from what I have been told. If that was the case, then Lucas would be first choice as he is pretty much everyone's best mate.}

20 Aug 2015 09:40:50
Ed1, I'll start with the caveat that I think that Sakho should be playing. But surely there's something more to the situation that we don't know about. Even if Rodgers prefers Lovren Sakho should make the bench.

Do the club need to make sales and see him as someone with value that they can spare? Is he out because he missed a lot of training when his daughter was born? Has he had an argument with Rodgers and he's being punished? Could there be a problem other than ability (language barrier?).

The idea that Rodgers simply doesn't rate him doesn't seem to be a logical one to me.

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20 Aug 2015 09:44:29
Fair enough ed :)

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20 Aug 2015 11:42:22
I would prefer to see Lovren/Sakho partneship given a descent run of games

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20 Aug 2015 12:42:29
Possibly due to him walking out last season .I've also heard he's a bad egg and last season he was more interested in clowning around with mario than knuckling down

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20 Aug 2015 14:07:38
A bad egg who teaches French at local primary schools and paints homeless digs in his spare time?! Yea he sure sounds bad news

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20 Aug 2015 07:39:05
Loved the podcast. Please keep them coming. Would be really interested to hear you views on how FSG are doing and why on earth their advisers have not pushed for Klopp.

Also can we get Ed002 to do a piece. That would be priceless even if he just talks about the USA rodeo clown circuit.

Hope against hope that we keep Lucas and Sakho and that they get back into the starting line up.

If Henderson is unfit then maybe Lucas can get in the side at the Emirates. Maybe that is too straightforward for Brendan to consider but O'Driscoll and Gary Mac might see the light.

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{Ed001's Note - we will be doing another one for the weekend and Ed002 has also promised to do something when she get some time. It might have to wait until he gets back from his holiday though.}

20 Aug 2015 08:28:06
I see how you addressed Ed002 as both 'he' and 'she'. Hopefully the mystery will be solved in the podcasts.

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{Ed001's Note - we will have to wait and see whether it does end that mystery....}

20 Aug 2015 08:29:59
Ed001 you never make a mistake regarding Ed002, do you? Still haven't found out if she is he or he is she :D

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{Ed001's Note - have to keep you all guessing.}

20 Aug 2015 09:29:46
It must be a woman, only a woman can have this much patience with people.

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20 Aug 2015 09:38:56
if ed002 is joining ed001, which i don't think will be often, make sure its a topic that puts his knowledge to good use! get good topics ed001 for her to talk about.

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{Ed001's Note - I will try mate.}

20 Aug 2015 10:05:45
Ed, I don't know what it is you're talking about on the Podcast, but my work PC has it blocked as it's deemed unsafe. Suppose I have to do some work now

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{Ed001's Note - unsafe? Must be worried benny's voice could put you to sleep....}

20 Aug 2015 07:24:14
Morning Eds,

I watched the under 21's last night and Teixeira was outstanding. Can we see him get any senior team action this season? Personally I think he offers just the same as Lallana but without as many touches!!! Seems to have a better eye for goal too.

Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - I said the same about him before we bought Lallana and I stand by that, he would be the better option, but he is unlikely to get anything other than cup matches unless we hit a bad patch in terms of results. Much as I desperately want him to get a chance, I would prefer it not to be because we hit a bad patch!}

20 Aug 2015 10:30:44
If ed02 takes place in a podcast hisher gender will be unveiled at long last!
or. you will use on of those devices that give you a voice like the killer from "Scream". drats!

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{Ed001's Note - a simple handkerchief over the receiver always used to work in old films.}

20 Aug 2015 18:17:09
I seem to remember ed001 saying at the time lallana was a pointless buy and ed002 said he would be the best buy, maybe replacing Gerrard.

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{Ed001's Note - you just don't replace Gerrard, sadly.}

20 Aug 2015 05:51:57
Hey eds

More a question on your perspective, I know we have a flooded attacking midfield so texiera is unlikely to get a chance but in regards to ilori - 1. Do you a. Think ilori has potential to be a starting centre back for Liverpool and b. Do you know for what reasons BR does not play him?

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - yes and because he doesn't think he is better than the current pairing.}

20 Aug 2015 07:05:50
Texiera and Rossiter are two players who should get into our midfield who has created nothing in past two games except Countinho.

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20 Aug 2015 05:08:43
Everyone is blaming Rodgers for alienating players but I believe he only wants to play those who fit the style of play he is trying to impose.

People are complaining about potentially losing Sakho and lucas. Last season, sakho got his chance because lovren was out of form and lucas replaced the injured gerrard.

Individually, both these players are amazing but are they going to fit the overall play?

Rodgers has given opportunities to balotelli, Enrique, borini, sakho and lucas. It was up to them to show that they can fit in and play in a "rodgers" type team.

The verdict is still out on ilori, markovic, Moreno, ings and origi.

Basically to sum up, it they fit in they can stay! Just ask lambert, aspas,sahin,assaidi, agger etc and you will get my point.

If the owners are sticking with rodgers why can't we just accept it and stick behind the manager and the team he selects. It's so simple.

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20 Aug 2015 06:10:50
so if your boss says your not good enough u accept it and won't even put up a fight? i'm sorry, i won't blindly support the manager.

i will support the team when they play, i will support the club. bt that does not mean i have to agree with what they are doing.

over the 2 games did u think lovren did better than when sakho was playing? do u think milner and henderson played the deeper role better than lucas?

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20 Aug 2015 07:08:14
Lovren's actual value is 8 mill what Southampton paid for him 2 years ago. The only reason he is at Liverpool, we were stupid enough to stump 20 million for him.
If BR only wanted Lovren, he should have got him 3 years ago instead of Sakho.

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20 Aug 2015 07:32:18
I'm a supporter of Rodgers but what you've said makes no sense with regards to sakho. Rodgers bought him for 17mil so it's his job to make sure a players fits his style of play before spunking that amount of cash

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20 Aug 2015 05:05:40
Well podcast 2 was great to hear and covered all almost everything with respect to our second game.

What am I doing in North Korea Ed01. How on earth did you got that? Ghoooshhh ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜„. I am going to meet you in personal very soon. ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž

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{Ed001's Note - thankfully IP tracking software is very accurate these days....}

20 Aug 2015 05:29:08
You are dead ed01. ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿ˜„ I am moving out from Korea. Catch me if you can.

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{Ed001's Note - I am happy to stay as far away as possible!}

20 Aug 2015 07:08:43
I am going to chase you mate. now that's mission impossible 5

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{Ed001's Note - if you head to the Burj Khalifa that would be great, as that is nowhere near me!}

20 Aug 2015 08:06:21
Bur Dubai, Deira, where ever you are, I have enough tools to come and hunt you down ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž

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{Ed001's Note - I have often heard the word tool associated with you Harry, that must be what they meant! ;o)

20 Aug 2015 09:40:36
I believe the Sumerians had a phrase for people like Harry

Ana Harrani Sa Alaktasa La Tarat.

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20 Aug 2015 13:29:30
So did Del Boy.

Anybody want to hazard a guess at which one?

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20 Aug 2015 02:31:22
Sakho potentially leaving seems to be the focus of most people's concern over past days. Blame being centerd at BR, and maybe that is warranted, but since we all think O'Driscoll is giving good advice on our defensive setup and step plays, etc, is it possible he is advising BR that Lovren and skrtel are the best pairing? I wonder if the left footedness of Lovren and Sakho makes them somewhat incompatible?

I am just asking questions here. I really hope Sakho stays, if for no other reason than to have another option. If Skrtel or Lovren get injured we don't have a wealth of Proven CB options aside from Toure (who is well passed his prime). Ilori is talented but let's be honest, we've never seen him play for the first team! (This may not be completely accurate, I don't know, but I watch every game since he arrived and can't recall him playing outside of friendly).

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{Ed002's Note - It has been known for sometime about Sakho - there were issues even back in January. I told you then and I told you recently. Folks get pissed and say it is incorrect as they haven't read it on Twitter.}

20 Aug 2015 06:53:23
Lovren is right footed.

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20 Aug 2015 11:07:58
Correct Ron - I still think Lovren/Sakho would be compatible and make a strong pairing, they played well together against Tottenham last year (albeit some time ago.)

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20 Aug 2015 00:34:25
Thought it was about time I expressed my opinion.

I've been reading this sight since around 2009.

Haven't posted before but feel the need to get some stuff off my hairy chest.

I must firstly caveat this by saying I do value people's opinion but these are some causes of my current frustrations.

1st point;

Does it really matter if the team 2 games in isn't playing great football? To me at any stage the answer is no, regardless of winning 6 0 an having 90% possession you still get 3 points.

2nd point;

The manager, club staff, sponsors,other fans or other clubs which seem to be the target of people's anger/accusations or frustrations. I just wish some fans would grow up a bit an stop attacking all the above for perceived failings, what ever they maybe. It all pales into insignificance really for this reason, a true fan will always support the club/manager/players regardless of personnel opinion. I would think most people who post (recently) were not STOOD yes you did read that right STOOD on the KOP watching rush, barnes, Dalglish Et Al but continue to harp on about"back when". History although important is what it says it was yesterday's news, in my opinion we should be pushing or hearts an souls behind the team/club to try HELP the current LFC make some history instead of embarrassingly banging on about 5 European cups 4 of which were won before people like me really understood the significance of winning it. An I'm bloody 39. Which leads me into my next point.

3rd point;

It's my personnel opinion that over the last 4 seasons the crowd has let the team down quite significantly (with the exception of 2013/14 season) most of our fans harp on about how crap some fans are such as arsenal Chelsea man utd etc, well to be honest Anfield has been shocking over recent times for atmosphere. If the majority of people have as much lip in the ground as they do on sights like this then we'd be in a good place AGAIN. it concerns me that as a club we are missing out on and not instilling a good ethos in the NEW GENERATION of fan.

And my final point is more of a request to the great unwashed. I for one rely on this sight for information regarding club affairs not only my own club but every club listed on this site. As a football fan I appreciate every effort made by editors and contributing fans from ALL clubs Wether they're a UTD fan or a grimsby fan. Due to work commitments I find myself in the armpit of the world for long periods of my life, without this site and the people who run it an contribute to it we would ALL miss out. So to the very few stop embarrassing yourselves appriciate what people are GIVING you for FREE. Take what your given this is the most informative site around. We're given on a daily basis information from within the game, not written by a headline grabbing monkfish employed by a red top.

P.s to all the keyboard warriors I don't care much for grammar so keep your little fingers busy an go bully the little kids on twitter who have a bigger IQ than you will ever have.

Not mentioned to be offensive or bitter in anyway. Guess I'm a little fed up with unappreciative bell ringers ruining threads of information for others.

Regards

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20 Aug 2015 02:35:16
Can't say I disagree with any of that.

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20 Aug 2015 02:56:15
Very well put mate, I'm sure there are many more readers who feel your frustrations and just don't post for whatever reasons. The only thing I'd like to comment on is that you are absolutely spot on about the atmosphere inside Anfield being a shadow of its former self.

Nobody expects the Chelsea 05 atmosphere every week but fans need to realise that their vibes either good or bad directly affect the players on the pitch. I've heard lots of arguments about who's to blame, day trippers, older fans, season ticket holders etc and it's up to every section of the fan base to try do there bit if they are lucky enough to attend a game.

I travel from Ireland 4/5 times a season to watch games and if we can somehow get ourselves back to the support of the second half of 13/14, then the players will no doubt get a big lift. You can say the players need to do their bit but let's be honest which is more fun from a fans point of view, attending a game and sitting there with a negative attitude or showing up a bit early to welcome the team and sing, cheer and help create an environment that will make Anfield a fortress again.

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20 Aug 2015 02:57:30
I totally agree with Ray-Von, I have noticed the difference in atmosphere at Anfield and I live 12000 miles away. you can hear the away fans far more than the Kop.Use your anger/frustration at Brenda or whoever for good rather than evil on the keyboard and scream your lungs out as you are very privileged to be there watching the greatest team in the world in the greatest stadium in the world. let's get positive.
ps please don't mention the ashes its going to hurt for a long while.
Cheers
Reddo

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20 Aug 2015 06:48:09
I was stood on the KOP watching those players lad,not sure what that had to do with any of your points. 1. Do you go the game? If so do every home game you try and get some songs going? 2. Did you get fully behind hodgson and never moan or complain about him? 3. Did you get fully behind hicks and gillett and never complain about them? Think this post was purely to get some post of the day replys from the BR fanboys, me myself I will continue to highlight problems at MY CLUB because I care what happens at it and about it's future.

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20 Aug 2015 07:34:43
To me 3 years gone and i can't see on which area did BR improved. I personally would be happy to have someone else like Klopp to replace BR.

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20 Aug 2015 13:54:09
I'm sorry ray-van but there are a number of things I just don't agree with.

The main point though is the insistence that people should blindly support everything associated with the club. If that was the case then we would have still been stuck with the two cowboys and this club probably wouldn't exist anymore by now.

And we would probably still be stuck with Roy to.

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20 Aug 2015 16:03:57
In response to a couple of posts,

One of the reasons why our support was always a cut above the rest was out passion and our belief that we as fags could affect the opponents and increase belief amongst our own. The fear amongst some fans is it has gotten to the point of being very militant and vengeful the green eyed monster is starting to rear it's head.

As for questions regarding Hicks an Gellete I did support them WHEN they were buying alonso mascherano Torres and others yes I did BUT toward the end when i became apparent what they were doing in a bussiness aspect I never. As fir Hodgson I firmly believe he would have gotten us into champions league places given the time and funding but he got neither, the football an results determined that along with shute purchases but he could only piss with the dick he had.

To equate the current state of play with the above is neither accurate or helpful. Look at the money and the stability in the game that's what gets you to the top what we as fans can do is give the club a massive leg up when games are dull to spare them on a little more an when we win we win regardless of performance. The season before last we started the same as this season very patchy until late Oct Nov time.

As for it being your club not really it's the owners club who are trusted to keep it on track an sometimes that means not appeasing deluded fans. There are millions in our position who love the club not just a few who feel a sense of entitlement.

As for wanting post of the day comments NO I'm not a narcosist so keep them for your own militant opinions.

Cheers

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20 Aug 2015 17:07:39
I have to agree re the anfield atmosphere, it was very quiet last Monday

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20 Aug 2015 17:19:14
You see that's the problem with your argument.

You where happy with hicks and Gillette until you felt that there was a problem. Why is that any different to the feelings some people have against Rodgers per se. Three years in charge. Two big failures and one big missed opportunity (which was by in large attributable to a genius of a footballer {if not a complete nob} and a style of football we have since wholly abandoned). Weighing that up with the money we have pee'd against a wall and some, whether you agree or not, would feel that constitutes a problem. They then express their opinion of that problem.

Why does having an opinion mean you aren't supporting the team. I support the team both vocally (when I'm there) and financially. I get behind them 100% and when the match is finished I come on here and vent any feelings I have. Or in the pub. Or at work. Whatever. Surely that's the beauty of football. We all have different opinions on how it should work and what should be done to fix it. We read about football and we talk about it that's why we are here.

Yes there are some complete tools on this site at times but that should not stop what is a fabulous forum for discussion. It is what it was set up for in the first place.

As for the anfield atmosphere my advice would be for the ticket prices (in my dreams I know) to be reduced. That would probably open the ground up again to not only more families (reaching that younger generation) but also those who care deeply who are priced out of the game.

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20 Aug 2015 17:35:09
Ray-von, a bit like your sign in name your a comedy character, " hodgson given time and resources would have got us into the champions league ", and " you backed hicks and gillett when they were buying Torres mascherano and alonso ", you couldn't right that kind of comedy, oh wait you just did.

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