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20 Aug 2016 23:33:14
Ed's with this talk of the Chinese buying a stake in Liverpool, I was wondering if the area or city of which the club is in has any influence on the potential buyers wanting to purchase a club. In respect of if there is a greater potential to build hotels or things like that for their future investment, in the surrounding area.
Thanks for all you time and efforts.
{Ed002's Note - No.}
20 Aug 2016 22:20:51
We will be lucky 2 finish in top 4. Just don't think we will b consistent enough 2 manage it. Sad to say but can't see us making top 4. I think klopp is rather predictable and as maybe eds is right. . he lacks the tactical skills to change plans etc. This is based on last season and what I have seen so far. this will get slated but I just don't see much difference between now and the past. Why has he not sorted the left back position? Wasted 25 million on gw? I sincerely hope I'm proved wrong, I really do but are we just being blinded by nice guy klopp?
20 Aug 2016 22:43:38
Well another manager comes in that can't sort out the mentality in the dressing room.
20 Aug 2016 22:48:00
Maybe blinded. We won't know after week 2 of the season.
20 Aug 2016 23:14:34
We have to change something in the style we play. We are not Barcelona. Having all our attacks based on attempted passes through three defenders, g oing only from the centre with ne headers, no presence in the box, no power just small passes, everyone running forward so exposing our defence, we will never overcome teams that close thier game and we will concede.
20 Aug 2016 23:39:46
I thought Kloppo knew better than trying to get our defenders to pass their way out at the back.
I'm disappointed. Unless he's going to sign a brand new set of defenders we need to give this tactic up.
21 Aug 2016 00:00:49
I think in games like this out movement in the final third is just all wrong. Sturridge comes to revive the ball just to dribble back out to where he received it, the only real movement is done on the wings which ends up with hopeful cross towards no one really. Against Arsenal we saw much more movement everyone wanting the ball and actually taking risks, the movement on Lallanas goal was class, it's just a shame we can't do it when there a few more defenders behind the ball. Imo the area which needs work is attacking movement and link up play.
21 Aug 2016 00:22:28
Most teams will struggle to create good chances against a well organised defensive side, and of course its all too easy in the process to over commit and be caught on the break- exactly as happened according to Dyche's script today.
But City usually manage to find a way through packed defences, whilst not getting caught out at the back- as do Chelsea, Barca, Bayern, and the top European sides who face a similar challenge in their domestic games most weeks.
Mane is a partial solution to creating a breakthrough against packed defences, and we already missed his qualities today.
But I think Klopp is a very smart man, and he will learn that he needs a plan B for these games, and he needs certain qualities from the players to make it work.
But its not just about defence. The second goal really started with a crappy 3 yard forward pass from coutinho to sturridge on the edge of their box- sturridge had two defenders on him already, and his slow reactions allowed them to rob the ball, and the break was on.
That kind of sloppy forward play from coutinho and studge is what allows opportunities to be created- so that has to stop.
But after that, the defending on an individual basis was not good enough.
Gray is a decent player, but our defenders made him look like Pele in that break. He should never have been allowed to get that shot off.
We have to learn the lessons and move on.
21 Aug 2016 02:31:19
I totally agree with you Ron. We should stop trying starting from the back. It doesn't work.
21 Aug 2016 01:55:03
Lots of words here in some of the comments but to sum up - we were rubbish - simple as. The piss poor, football manager style purchasing of the last 3 seasons has continued into this one. We were lucky to win last week and we got what we deserved this week. Rubbish, simply rubbish, no excuses for losing this game. And before anyone starts I've been a weekly matchgoer for 30+ years, crappest Liverpool team i've seen, unfortunately.
{Ed001's Note - we weren't lucky to win last week, we just have to learn not to sit back and try and hold a lead. As for the crappest team, this is much better than Rodgers final days, far better than the Hodgson era, so you clearly are not a match goer or match watcher if you think this is the crappest.}
21 Aug 2016 07:10:49
In 30 years this is the crappest team u have seen? u obviously never watched when hodgson was in charge then? every team this season will lose games that is a fact. so we lost one early. get behind the manager and the team not slating them after 2 games. fans are so fickle.
21 Aug 2016 08:05:24
Well that divided opinion but don't get me wrong I desperately want us to succeed but I just don't see how we are going to do that when we can't get the basics right and buy Un needed players like gw. I'm not bashing any players just voicing my opinion. I hope klopp gets it right but we must find consistency at some point. Have a good Sunday reds. YNWA.
21 Aug 2016 08:27:13
I'm sorry Ed001 but I am a regular attendee at games and whilst I may have over-egged the comment a little (beer will do that to you), at the moment I see very little difference between this team and those from the periods you highlight. There may be better/ fsater/ fitter players on paper but we still haven't worked out how to make them play together or instill them with a winning mentality. I pray that this is a blip at the start of a 36 match unbeaten run but I sense that's not the case and that we're going into another mediocre season.
I'm not some idiot who thinks we'll be competing with those clubs who have 10 times our spending power but it would be nice to think that we might be in with a slight chance. As it stands I don't think this team, unless something changes quickly, is much better than it was last season.
{Ed001's Note - one game and you are saying this. One game against the team with the best home defensive record in England last season. Yes, I know it was at a lower level, but it still highlights that they are very defensively sound at home, even their relegation season saw them concede very few. If I remember correctly they only conceded 7 at home all season. People are panicking over nothing. Burnley are excellent at what they do, with a coach who has a plan and works hard to implement it.}
21 Aug 2016 09:32:51
It's not just one game though is it Ed001 - I know you disagree with my use of the word 'Lucky' in relation to the Arsenal game but we had that game all but sewn up and then conceded 2 goals to let them right back into it and could quite easily have gone on to lose. We could well have been looking at 0 points from our first two games.
I'm not going to start slagging off individuals - Henderson for example wasn't to blame for what happened yesterday as a lot of posters seem to think - but I do wonder if we've spent a lot of money again and not really upped the overall quality level.
Anyway, onwards and upwards, we need to win that game against Spurs next week now just to prove that the result yesterday was just a blip.
{Ed001's Note - we sat back and let them get at us, let Arsenal off the hook, that is a different issue. The issues are different in both games. You can't compare them.}
21 Aug 2016 15:18:41
Anonymush
And for such teams who sit back and defend you have players like Zlatan who is unbeatable in the air when you put in crosses. Liverpool don't use width and never cross a football into the 6 yard box.
20 Aug 2016 21:46:55
Other than how the game went, what concerned me today was that Wijnaldum kept reminding me of christian poulsen. He ran around a bit, pretended that he wanted to get involved, but when he got the ball he invariably gave a very basic square or backwards pass. But what concerned me more was that Klopp never took him off. Its early days yet but i don't see what he brings/ his main attribute is (granted i only saw a hand full of his games last season) .
20 Aug 2016 21:58:10
Too early for him or Klavan, but I'd say his main attribute is he scores goals. Ok, not in his first 2 games, but in time.
Basically he's like Lallana but he scores goals IMO.
20 Aug 2016 22:07:51
With Emre Can fit, move Henderson into Wijnaldum's position and drop him to the bench. He rarely shows up for away games and until he proves he can, he should start from the bench.
20 Aug 2016 22:17:33
Klopp spent a lot of money to bring him in. He's not going to not play him.
20 Aug 2016 22:49:01
Wijnaldum needs to be playing higher up the pitch, as does hendo imo.
20 Aug 2016 23:28:56
Wijnaldum was a signing we didn't need to make. He's never a central midfielder in a million years. Keep on like this and you can guarantee mid table obscurity by November. We have 10 days to make signings that will improve our full back situation and shore up that gaping chasm in midfield, don't deal with that and the season is over. End of story.
21 Aug 2016 01:01:30
We made 2 bad errors and they made us pay it happens . You have to learn and move and go and put it right that means go and win at Spurs.
21 Aug 2016 01:13:05
We finished 2nd with Glen Johnson/ Jose Enrique as one of our full backs, correct? Would be disappointing to not get in a quality LB, but end of season is a bit much.
21 Aug 2016 05:52:36
Couldn't agree more faith. I think it hurts us trying to squeeze both Firmino and coutinho on the pitch. Especially without any width vs a team like today. Granted doesn't matter who we get out wide if they can't cross the ball.
20 Aug 2016 20:52:23
What's peoples thoughs on these rumors of A Chinese Investment Firm Everbright looking to buy a large stake In LFC as part of a conglomerate. Assuming them to be true of course. Rumors now that Fsg have hired Allen and Co to look into it.
I have previously always been averse to the idea of Liverpool being one of "them" but I don't think I would be averse to it if It can bring us success. Because mediocrity is really boring. Or willpeople still prefer Fsg's model which hasn't really bought success irrespective of vast amounts of money being spent.
20 Aug 2016 21:10:51
In 6 years, despite all the money FSG has pumped into LFC, we have finished in the CL spots on 1 occasion and won 1 trophy.
Yes, we need the financial support.
20 Aug 2016 21:13:43
The words "investment firm" concern me.
I would like the club to be run efficiently and not accumulating debt. Not bothered who's running the show, I just want the club to be run responsibly.
20 Aug 2016 21:18:02
I thought Allen had joined Stoke?!
Surely his few years in the team don't qualify him to be able to represent the firm in a potential investment negotiation?!?!
20 Aug 2016 21:23:02
We all want it to be run correctly but at the same time we all want to win, right now only one of those things is happening.
Fsg are in profit so far this window, they need help financing us.
20 Aug 2016 21:25:59
Z
Just let it go man. Not in your domain 😂.
20 Aug 2016 21:36:53
In an ideal world, we'd all love to see FSG bring us great success. Unfortunately football has been destroyed by money, the reality is, to be successful you need vast amounts of funding (granting they've spent a lot of transfers, however we need to be able to match the big teams in wages, which we're unable too) . If a consortium of any shape was to aquire Liverpool or a share in the club, and we're to bring us formidable success, I wouldn't be moaning. We all want to see our club returned to it's former great state and for that to happen we need a formidable amount of funding. We've fell so far behind the big teams not just in Europe but in England, due to Moores and co not taking advantage of the position we was in in the 80's. Let's hope if a takeover or a stake sale is to happen, Henry and co undertake due diligence and make sure we're in good hands with reasonable funding.
20 Aug 2016 21:47:14
Which one of those things is happening right now Matt, because I can't see any evidence of either.
20 Aug 2016 21:48:53
its more a change of tactics in recruitment if you ask me. the TC are a holy show. we do spend just unwise with it.
20 Aug 2016 21:51:38
If there is investment will FSG still not hold the power as in majority shareholding. This investment if true is probably a way of getting a foothold to the Asian market making more money for FSG.
20 Aug 2016 21:52:30
fsg have made so much money available every window plus propped the club up every month running at a loss, the money has been squandered away every window by incompetent fools Inc managers, not looming much better this time around, if you read what the eds post you will see the vast amount of money they have pumped into the club.
20 Aug 2016 22:09:28
Money talks; First Chelsea, then Man City and now Man Utd will all buy the PL. Even though Arsenal have consistency and a manager and a style of play, they haven't won the title since Abramovich came and that reason is the spending.
20 Aug 2016 22:16:48
FSG has made some really bad mistakes (Commoli anyone)
Thing is would a Chinese investment company make better business choices?
It's not a lack of funding or investment that's been holding us back since FSGs takeover it's the people (experts) brought in to run the club mostly. Klopp excluded.
{Ed002's Note - I am afraid to say it is getting very painful reading all of these posts.}
20 Aug 2016 22:24:47
A partial investment means nothing to club necessarily as the money goes to the owners, not LFC. In FY15, FSG converted nearly £69M of loans into equity as well as loaned the club an additional £49M. FSG are and have been doing their bit, the managers, coaches, players and transfer committee members need to step up their side of things.
20 Aug 2016 22:27:07
Real AG, you say United, Chelsea and City all buy the league. You've spent hundreds of millions on transfers over the years, you've just bought poorly. That's the issue. Someone said higher up you HAVE to have money to win. Well Leicester proved last season that's not always the case. With the money Liverpool have spent on transfers its criminal you have made top 4 once in 5/ 6 years. Imo, where you have gone wrong is rather than signing maybe two top players to improve the first 11, you buy 7 or 8 average players and bulk up the squad, not really improving your first 11. It's plain for every man and his dog to see your immediate priority should have been LB this season, the amount of goals you conceded down that side due to Moreno last year was unreal. Yet you've spent £25m on the lad from Newcastle who wasn't even needed. You haven't plenty for that position, better than him too. And penny pinch over your LB target. I can't get my head round it.
20 Aug 2016 22:43:16
I don't think any of us understand it either, Stand. Bit of an odd one, really.
20 Aug 2016 22:51:25
Stand united your correct in saying we have had the money to spend.
We have spent poorly over the years, but another major issue is that we can't match the wages like yourselves or city.
No way are we paying someone £250,000 a week.
20 Aug 2016 23:01:32
Embarrassing posts them lads.
20 Aug 2016 23:29:08
An investment would not be about transfers. Why the obsession with transfers?
China is a huge relatively untapped market for LFC and as such a local partner would be better equipped to tap into potential new revenue streams. That money trickles into the club and eventually onto the field.
It's obviously harder to market a brand without success, so surely any investment would aim to aid future success of our club.
20 Aug 2016 23:58:16
Lavers, yeh I understand the wages can be an issue for you. Not just about transfer fees. Just feel Liverpool always seem to buy a lot of mediocre players who don't really make the first 11 much stronger, and should try focus on 2 or 3 quality players who will, each season, and build that way. There are players out there who don't demand huge wages. It's a bit early for me to big up our new CB Bailly, but so far he's looked a real improvement on our central defenders, and at 22 has huge potential. He's on £75k a week.
It's clear you have a lot of attacking quality, I just feel your still very fragile at the back. Klopp likes to play from the back, like Barcelona do, and from today's game has clearly instructed this. But for me he doesn't have enough quality in that department to play that way. Anyway, just my opinion that's all. I still think you'll be in the top 4 at least come May.
21 Aug 2016 00:23:06
Stand they will be mid table at best everton will be the top team in merseyside this season because they will pay the wages and all this we are not going to pay will se liverpool fall further behind you are even behind hull and they only have 13 players.
21 Aug 2016 00:30:14
Doesn't FFP matter anymore?
Even if a multitrillionaire decided to buy us, we are still bound by FFP.
So there's not going to be any deadline day mega-signing that we keep hearing about. No ambitious player would join our club at the moment anyway, multi billions or not.
21 Aug 2016 00:37:22
We've got players with speed and technical ability. We've got players with the ability to score goals. But have we got players with the most important ingredient . mental strength. I'm not convinced we have. I think the Europa League Cup Final showed that .
Until we get that mental strength, and losing is not an option mentality, like other top teams have, we'll struggle to compete consistently.
It's up to our Manager to instil that mentality into the players, week in week out!
21 Aug 2016 01:29:50
Wow, all of this because we lost to Burnley. We were title contenders yesterday.
21 Aug 2016 05:57:02
Stand united
I can't argue with with ya, I've been saying the same thing for years.
Quantity over quality is our motto as a club, I questioned win album and klaven signings from the start. but what do I know.
21 Aug 2016 10:25:53
It's all well and good Ron running the club responsibly but you need to get the initial investment to guarantee trophies and champions league every year then you can build from their to gain a more substantial income. Chelsea being a case in point.
A Mickey Mouse club that got investment to be successful now their revenues are higher than ours when they can't even fill their stadium every week. Man City are on the same path but with initially more supporters so can take it further than Chelsea. Success breeds success but unfortunately in this day and age to get the initial success you need the investment.
It's amazing that with our lack of recent success we can still even get within a mile of these clubs financially but with financial investment and success we could take the club to a whole new level.
20 Aug 2016 20:35:01
Hi guys,
A few weeks ago I posted a comment about the possibility of a takeover from a Chinese group and a big name signing on deadline day the same as Man City a few years back.
Looks like my friends information was correct
PAULMONDO.
20 Aug 2016 20:51:36
There is no takeover; Werner said couple of days ago they have no interest in selling. The Chinese group are trying to acquire a stake in LFC.
20 Aug 2016 21:08:33
Being a life long Red Sox fan, one thing I've learned since Henry and Werner have taken over is not to believe one word that Werner says.
20 Aug 2016 21:14:54
Who's the "big name signing" then?
That's what we all want to know.
20 Aug 2016 21:18:12
What fsg say and what fsg do aren't exactly the same thing. I'm not saying it's true and not slating fsg but they aren't exactly well known for their truth lol.
20 Aug 2016 21:24:31
Titus Bramble Ron, Klopps seen enough of our defensive shambles are believes Titus can shore it up.
21 Aug 2016 10:26:57
Yes! Caulker is coming back!
20 Aug 2016 20:32:32
"If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win"
Bill Shankly
This applies to a few off you on here.
20 Aug 2016 21:02:08
"If you are not annoyed when you lose you will never win"
Bob Paisley
This applies to you mate.
20 Aug 2016 22:28:10
Huge difference in being furious at your team dropping 3 points away to Burnley due to stupid, easily avoidable errors and stopping support of the team. I'll support the club til the day I die but every fan has a right to be a bit pissed off at that display.
21 Aug 2016 02:19:27
"big al knows best "
Edd002.
20 Aug 2016 19:13:42
For the Tottenham game I'd like to see can in for lallana for a bit more solidity in midfield and mane if fit or alternatively origi in for sturridge. Otherwise the same team. Thoughts?
20 Aug 2016 19:30:23
For the Tottenham game I'd prefer it if we left lallana at White heart lane.
20 Aug 2016 19:44:36
Agree. Can and Origi a must. And Grujic in for Hendo. Hendo offers nothing at the moment in my opinion. He might be a grafter but there's no end product. Not the biggest Firmino fan either. Mané is a must if fit. Milner needs to go too. Our defence still has issues.
20 Aug 2016 19:46:36
Rather see the big Serb or can in place of Henderson.
20 Aug 2016 19:48:32
Wouldn't mind seeing a 4231, with Can and Hendo sitting deep, Coutinho on the left, Mane on the right, and Firmino in behind Origi.
20 Aug 2016 20:13:58
Moreno in for Milner, Can for Wijnaldum, and move Henderson to Wijnaldum's position are the changes I would make. Spurs would press and come forward a lot more and that could help Henderson and Lallana but they need to step it up or Grujic will take one of their places.
20 Aug 2016 20:33:44
Can we have Ibrahimovich for this game? He is the essence of everything we are not - being clinical. We have some proper anti clinical players and Lallana definitely top them.
20 Aug 2016 20:36:34
Can't really have a a situation where Moreno gets dropped for being awful.
To be replaced by milner.
Who is then dropped for being awful.
To be replaced my Moreno. Etc etc etc.
Buy someone please LFC.
20 Aug 2016 21:06:37
Too many players playing out of position for me, Henderson isn't a holding midfielder, much better going box to box, in a 3 having one side to shut off. That's when he's at his best for me, still think he's out best midfielder, like to see what a 3 of Grujic, hendo, and can could do, some power there!
20 Aug 2016 21:22:11
If Hendo is going to remain deep then he could do with Grujic support. I know Grujic plays further forward but I think his strength and presence could help Hendo, he proved today he's no deep mid. Both together can pass and surge forward so I don't think it will effect our attacking play much.
20 Aug 2016 21:23:53
I don't think Hendo should be dropped just supported. Lallana should be dropped and Wijnaldum pushed further forward if Mane isn't fit.
20 Aug 2016 17:00:28
Can't win them all.
Still support the team no matter what
YNWA.
20 Aug 2016 18:58:31
You can win the first two. It was done before.
20 Aug 2016 19:53:58
At least it's early enough in the season for us to learn from the mistakes and get a performance like that out of our system.
Keep the faith guys.
YNWA.
20 Aug 2016 20:17:28
Just a bad day at the office for everyone today, we looked jaded (if that's possible in that strip 😄)
Credit to Burnley. I said they'd "park the bus" and that's what they did and hit us with counter attacks. We were restricted to 20 yard shots from outside the box and never really threatened.
It was always too early to judge Klavan. Someone suggesting he was Hyypia v2.0 but today he was more like Skrtel v2.0. Giving Clyne a hospital cross field pass for the first goal and weak in the tackle and too slow to get back for the second. Lovren was also poor for the goals turning his back on shots 🙄.
I can't see Lovren and Klavan being a successful pair, neither of them have enough pace or read the game well enough. I'd like to see Matip in there.
Emre Can must have ran over Klopp's cat or something if he can't get in our midfield 🤔.
Sturridge was not match fit today, probably shouldn't have started.
Lallana is just not suited to these scrappy games. Give him a game against a team that is there to play football, but not Burnley.
All in all a forgettable performance from everyone. Klopp has a lot of work to do over the next few games.
{Ed001's Note - the pass to Clyne was far from a hospital pass, it was just a lazy lay off by Clyne that caused that.}
20 Aug 2016 20:40:43
It was a lazy lay off I agree and would not exonerate Clyne, but that was a cross field pass with little pace on it to a player who wasn't in much space. Klavan should have hoofed it up field. I really can't understand why he made that pass, it was the type of thing our centre backs did under the previous manager and used to have me tearing my hair out. It led to the same outcome as 12 months ago too, the opposition scoring a soft goal.
{Ed001's Note - he was keeping possession, as he was asked by the manager. Clyne had time and space to pick a pass, he only had to play is 5 yards but he was still incapable. Klavan was awful, but that pass was not a bad one.}
20 Aug 2016 21:12:08
I agree with Gazza. I'm sure that if asked before the season how many points we'd have after the first two matches, most people would have said 3. It's a long season, everything will be fine.
20 Aug 2016 17:54:11
I suppose I should wait to watch te game in its entirety before commenting but can't resist.
Mignolet, Clyne and Lovren 3 of a back 5 that have worked with the manager since November and concede 5 in 2 games.
Admittedly, looking at comments it would appear no presence in front of them again.
However, fans can see it needs fixing so let's hope the club actions it quickly.
20 Aug 2016 17:59:10
But the consensus is that we don't need a DM.
{Ed001's Note - a DM can do nothing about a full back gifting the ball to the opposition in his own half....}
20 Aug 2016 18:01:39
Same old same old. Beats a team with top 4 potential then loses to a team that is relegation potential. Nothing has changed in the last 5 years. Liverpool and consistency just don't seem to go together in the same sentence.
20 Aug 2016 18:02:23
Defence were exposed by a poor and weak midfield.
20 Aug 2016 18:07:22
Agger, quite simply not good enough, and it took far too long for the subs to come on, Sturrdge just couldn't get going, and give credit to Burnley, they made us play the way they wanted, like letting Milner have the ball, knowing he was going to cut back onto his right foot, we were never going to win that game, I say well done Burnley, you out thought us, you out played us . and always looked more likely to score .
20 Aug 2016 18:09:43
Back 4 need protect regardless of how plays. We'll never have a world class back line. We need a midfielder in medel to protect it and capable of defending for us.
20 Aug 2016 18:19:30
PPF again I'm afraid.
Possession. . Passing. Faffing
No cut and thrust. Didn't have a clue how to break the Burnley defence down.
Have to say it. but I think Origi and Moreno should have started.
Very disappointing performance today!
20 Aug 2016 18:33:05
There you are Big All, we've been missing you. If you want to pop over for a chat we're ready any time you are.
20 Aug 2016 18:48:04
Hahahaha.
20 Aug 2016 19:07:57
Edd001 cylne isn't being replaced or dropped anytime soon. We have real issues concerning our fullbacks and klopp has to look and change personel. Grujic and can have to replace Wijnaldum and lallana Imo. sturridge has to regain form and fitness quickly or face being dropped. I don't know if he was just unfit or lacked the desire today. We really need 3 players in. Lb, rb and a medel.
20 Aug 2016 19:12:34
Fair play for coming over Al, you occasionally talk sense, occasionally.
20 Aug 2016 19:07:57
Edd001 cylne isn't being replaced or dropped anytime soon. We have real issues concerning our fullbacks and klopp has to look and change personel. Grujic and can have to replace Wijnaldum and lallana Imo. sturridge has to regain form and fitness quickly or face being dropped. I don't know if he was just unfit or lacked the desire today. We really need 3 players in. Lb, rb and a medel.
{Ed001's Note - I am not getting into Wijnaldum, everyone knows my feelings on him. Neither him nor Lallana are any use at all in central midfield.}
20 Aug 2016 19:45:43
I really don't see the need for a DM. The team isn't defending together, that's why Henderson keeps getting overrun at times. Lallana and Wijnaldum don't work IMO.
20 Aug 2016 20:16:23
why do you think Klopp persists with it Ed? it just seems really strange that lallana is all of a sudden a CM this year when he clearly isn't. Klopp seems to really rate lallana and I'm not sure why.
{Ed001's Note - because he is trying him there for his energy as Grujic is not seen as ready quite yet.}
20 Aug 2016 20:17:09
But it's also Henderson's job as part of the 3 man midfield to defend and pick up the pace of play; he was atrocious today alongside the ghost that is Wijnaldum and the tail chasing puppy that is Lallana.
{Ed001's Note - Henderson was the only breaking up play. They only had 3 shots, how did he do a bad job? I am sick of this crap from people on his back. If we had a keeper who could make a save, we wouldn't have conceded two. If we had a centre back who could cope with pace, we wouldn't have conceded two. If we had full backs worthy of the name, or midfield partners that do any defensive work, then we wouldn't have conceded them. To blame Hendo today is just idiotic. People need to learn to watch the game and not the ball.}
20 Aug 2016 20:35:51
Are you slightly nervous Ed? because I am. We've yet again spent a ton of money and not invested in one of the positions we were crying out for - a left back. Couple that with the signing of Wijnaldum and some of the football we played today was really poor. I'm also nervous about Sturridge and his big dip in form since his major injury. I know i'm asking loads of questions but why is Sturridge dropping so deep all of a sudden and seems no longer capable of sprinting. I'm probably just overeacting to one game but I think we've had a poor window and could be in for another long season!
{Ed001's Note - Studger is just getting back to fitness. It takes time. He was dropping deeper because there was no space further up.}
20 Aug 2016 20:37:02
I am not one that is on Henderson's back Ed001 and has been one of the people who have been defending the lad since he signed. To me it makes little sense to play him in that deep role as it takes away his main strengths. Today, I thought he was lethargic and lost possession cheaply on more than 5 occasions under little pressure. For Burnely's 2nd where Sturridge was disposed and they ran all the way down the other end without any real challenges, right through the centre of our midfield to score, and Henderson, like Winjaldum and Lallana should be offering more in those situations IMO.
{Ed001's Note - Henderson was left covering on his own. The question should be where was the defence? They should not have been wide open there and not needed a midfielder to protect them. Hendo was filling a gap and could only make a challenge once in the box, clearly he didn't think he could make a successful challenge and, as the defence were finally getting into place, he should have been able to pass him on safely. You are blaming the wrong player.}
20 Aug 2016 21:09:05
In support of Ed01 and like I mentioned earlier and in the chat, blaming Hendo is so wrong. It's the same reason why people are looking for a "specialist" DM so that we can replace him. If the other players don't learn to press and tackle when we lose the ball, then Henderson would keep getting overrun in the midfield.
I really don't understand why people don't get that.
20 Aug 2016 21:46:46
Defence wins leagues. Its old and boring but so very true, especially in our league. Klopp has to somehow try and get this defence working as a unit. i'm far from impressed with any of our defenders, they could all easily be replaced in my opinion as none of them are good enough for Liverpool and i am not basing this on todays game but over the past 12 months. I am also not expecting Matip to be our saviour either, i just don't think he is that good. The defence needed major work the summer and it hasn't been done. That is very disapointing in my opinion.
20 Aug 2016 22:55:49
Can will come in for hendo, be exposed the same as hendo, and then people will be asking for lucas again. Failing that they'll question allen's sale.
Anyways, we are being outdone by individual mistakes in really bad parts of the pitch. We get ourselves into situations where we are acrambling in defence. That will hurt most teams. We are yet to find the balance yet.
20 Aug 2016 21:10:47
Sorry Ed001, but Henderson was horrendous to say the least. The only play he was breaking up was when we tried to go forward. He can't pass, can't tackle, can't hold, can't score, what's the point of him? The ease with which gray passed him for the second goal was humiliating. He does not deserve to be in the team. Though Moreno got a lot of stick for the first game, Clyne was as bad if not worse in both games. Him and Lovern protecting the right side gives me nightmares. With players like Henderson, Clyne, Lovern, Wijnaldum, Milner, Moreno, Lalana, we will again be fighting for a Europa place. Klopp also needs to reel in Coutinho, ballooning 6-7 shots in the crowd when we needed to be patient to penetrate really took all the pressure off Burnley. I hope I am wrong but Klopp seems to be making exactly the same mistakes as BR before him. He has to be ruthless and get rid of low quality players. Today, Sturridge, Hendo and a few deserved to be subbed first half after 15-20 minutes.
{Ed001's Note - of course he passed him easily, he was in the box and there were 3 other players there, so he could afford to just hold his ground. Some of you really are blaming the wrong man. Every player couldn't make a simply 5 yard pass yesterday, yet you are all on the back of Henderson. I am fed up of this, this is all the same lies that were spouted about Lucas, but now you all have a new target because none of you have the sense to see that he is a victim of poor tactics.}
20 Aug 2016 23:05:53
Spot on there Ed001 on every reply.
{Ed001's Note - thank you, it seems people just want to look for scapegoats when this was just an all round poor performance by everyone involved.}
20 Aug 2016 17:47:04
I do hope that ings does get a chance as I do think he will be a good option to have up front, shows tenacity, speed and strength and has a good finish, and is more of a team player than sturridge. We all know that sturridge is a great player BUT is injury prone and very on/ off, he's never consistent, and today, he as well as most of the forward line were terrible.
20 Aug 2016 20:18:47
Sturridge was not in sync with the team today but he is still way better an option for a quick counter attacking style than Ings, who has to still to be managed and eased back in after his injury.
20 Aug 2016 15:24:52
This floresent strip has my eyes banjoed.
20 Aug 2016 16:52:24
All klopps fault only one centre mid and Sturbridge right wing?, we had the team but he failed to play it awful managing from klopp.
20 Aug 2016 14:53:53
Another 3 points today please redmen 👌 👌.
20 Aug 2016 15:03:52
Couldn't have started better. Grrr. One day we will do things the easy way, one day.
20 Aug 2016 14:46:02
Eds I've noticed a distinct lack of detail on the lfc website and Twitter page regarding the u18s this season for example not naming the team/ squad no interview with the manager etc. Is this part of a new policy to keep the u18s out of the spotlight for abit longer?
{Ed002's Note - No, and the academy are doing fine, winning their first two games including beating the MU kiddies today.}
20 Aug 2016 14:52:59
Beat Man United u18s today 2 1, good start . lad up front both goals .
20 Aug 2016 15:18:24
Yan Dhanda I believe his name is, he tweeted about it earlier today.
20 Aug 2016 15:58:29
Yeah I know but the usual post match post on the website didn't include the team or squad or an interview with the manager the same after the first game but oh well.
20 Aug 2016 14:18:11
Strong team today. Only Karius, Matip and Mane away from probably being our strongest team. Really looking forward to this game. Fingers crossed for a big win to take us top on goal difference ;)
20 Aug 2016 14:28:11
Really fancying Bobby to get a goal or two today.
20 Aug 2016 14:28:27
Could finish 7-3 by the looks of that lineup!
20 Aug 2016 14:12:02
I feel sorry for Ings. He's not even on the bench for a game against his old side. He must be devastated. I won't be surprised if he leaves now.
20 Aug 2016 14:20:59
Klopp has made it clear that Ings needs time in the reserves before he is fit enough to play for us at the top level again.
If Ings is patient, he will get his chance.
20 Aug 2016 14:22:33
Hes either not fit enough or not good enough to oust the other strikers yet. Klopp doesn't seem to have a sentimental streak, thank goodness. I can't see him leaving because he's not going to play against his old club.
20 Aug 2016 14:33:05
It's a long season and he's coming back from a big injury.
20 Aug 2016 14:06:17
It's the season of the strikers. Zatlan and aquero are key for the Manchester teams. Man city will be compete on every level with a fit aquero. Though we know he rarely has an injury free season. Without him man city are half an attacking force. without Zatlan united have next to nothing up fronT. They have no sufficient back ups. Same with arsenal. Imo we have the strongest attacking force. Sturridge is as good a striker as anyone in world football when fit and firing. Firminho, origi and ings will all score goals whether sturridge is fit or not.
20 Aug 2016 14:40:19
Man Utd also have Rashford waiting in the wings, and Iheanacho is a very good striker himself. Whether we LFC fans like it or not, the premier league trophy will be at one of the Manchester clubs when the season ends.
20 Aug 2016 16:41:33
got to agree with you Buzzer, definitely going to end up in Manchester, and I don't like that at all .
20 Aug 2016 17:42:04
Indian buzzer if aquero and zatlan are fit for the majority of the season they will. especially united. Zatlan will score the goals for the them if he's on the pitch.
20 Aug 2016 19:33:04
Utd fan here, we have martial, Rashford, rooney, pogba, mata. All of whom will score goals if zlatan isn't fit. Got to admit O.P., you make me laugh with your comment.
20 Aug 2016
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20 Aug 2016 13:02:31
After noon eds, I've got a question on our youth team if you wouldn't mind giving it your best shot? If a player is to be promoted to the first team do they have to be from the oldest age group? I'm only asking as I heard there's a lad in our 18's making some waves called Yan Dhanda. If on the very off chance Klopp decided he was ready would that be it or would he have to play games at u23 level first? Or is it simply just a case of if you're good enough you're old enough? Marcus Rashford comes to mind aswell.
{Ed002's Note - They don't have to be from the higher levels but it is an enormous step up from playing with the kiddies to playing in the first team. There will always be exceptions.}
20 Aug 2016 13:13:59
I believe Jerome Sinclair made his first team debut before he made his U21's debut.
20 Aug 2016 13:17:12
If he was that good at that level, they would play him in the under 23s to test him first, surely?
20 Aug 2016 13:35:20
im guessing injuries or other external factors may force a club to do that, and i'm sure it has happened before.
20 Aug 2016 14:21:28
Harry Wilson made his Wales international debut before he'd played for our u21s.
20 Aug 2016 11:20:36
Not sure if any of you lads agree with me, me and a few lads at work was talking about the greatest PL game ever, I said Liverpool V Newcastle,1996,4-3,Collymore with the last gasp winning goal and poor Kevin Keegan, with his head in his hands and his post game press conference when he lost the plot.
20 Aug 2016 11:44:44
The 4-3 the following season was as epic.
For me. The 5-4 against Norwich last season. Klopp losing his glasses 👍.
20 Aug 2016 12:00:35
I agree Sid19. The Collymore winner 4-3 was an incredible game. 👍.
20 Aug 2016 12:32:31
The match that has always stayed uppermost in my mind was a home game against Stoke City on Easter Saturday (I think) in 1976.
It finished 5-3,our scorers were Neal, Kennedy, Toshack, Hughes and Fairclough.
Three days earlier we had knocked Barcelona out of the EUFA cup semi-finals, two days later we went to Maine Road and beat City 3-0, ( Heighway, Fairclough 2). Happy days!
20 Aug 2016 12:57:32
Collymoreeeeee! That and the Old Trafford 4-1.
20 Aug 2016 13:17:19
Newcastle 4-4 Arsenal.
Newcastle 4-0 down at half time, half their fans walk out (stupidly) and then that come back to take a point.
What a game that was though.
20 Aug 2016 13:31:45
Brilliant posts lads and some quality games mentioned, not sure why, I loved Collymore when we had him.
20 Aug 2016 17:28:08
Are you forgetting the Dortmand game, they started really well, and were all over us, nearly game over at half time, how we won that game still has me scratching my head in amazement .
20 Aug 2016 17:31:12
MK, that was some game, what makes football such a great game and why so many watch it .
20 Aug 2016 09:55:39
Cmon folks, nearly 10am on match day and all is quiet! ⚽️👌.
20 Aug 2016 10:28:36
I'm more nervous about burnley than I was arsenal, we have struggled for years against the lower quality teams in the league. Hoping klopp has been drilling the need to show up for these games this week.
20 Aug 2016 10:28:37
Benteke deal finalised.
20 Aug 2016 10:40:11
Makes the mane deal look excellent I think Ron 💯.
20 Aug 2016 10:44:45
I need tonight's game to get over my over 35's finals game today which we lost despite dominating and hitting the bar in the last min. A bottle of wine has started that process!
20 Aug 2016 10:53:11
The beauty of it is though is that burnley won't sit back and defend, they will give us a game today.
20 Aug 2016 11:12:17
Firmino will score today, I can feel it. 2-0 Liverpool!
20 Aug 2016 11:28:14
Got to win today! I'm worried to be honest.
Anyone know who's travelled and in the squad?
Take it Mane is out and Sturridge probably on the bench.
Time for this Wijaldyujyndium lad to show us what he's got now mane is out. Come on Boys!
20 Aug 2016 14:56:30
Reckon Danny Boy will bag one .
20 Aug 2016 08:37:25
Is mane fit for today?
20 Aug 2016 14:57:29
Never going to play after his injury, next week I hope .
20 Aug 2016 19:23:35
No unfortunately.
19 Aug 2016 22:23:16
Ed001, interested to know what you think we would be like against Man United, I think that we would win comfortably, Southampton were truly awful and still managed to carve some decent chances, think Lallana would pick Pogba off all day.
{Ed001's Note - impossible to say right now, as it is early days there and they will be a totally different team each week as the team gels and gets to know Jose's system. one thing is for sure, they have not started well, but they still have maximum points, and that is more important than playing well.}
20 Aug 2016 07:51:59
We will smash united home and away this season. We will play all game like we did for 20 minutes against arsenal. When we are fired up we are unstoppable. We could go unbeaten against all 6/ 7 top 4 candidates but then we all know hull will do the double over us.
Also I think saints will be close to relegation this season.
20 Aug 2016 08:57:34
Please don't embarrass yourself with such comments. Every game is different and depends on the scenario. You dominated us last season at anfield but we still won. So behave.
20 Aug 2016 09:24:43
Its an opinion, that we will win against you this season, although I am very jelous of the amount of quality you posess, however, I still think that your defence is not great and centre midfield will loose the ball too easy (Pogba), however same goes for us I suppose, I just have confidence in Klopp to exploit this as much as possible.
20 Aug 2016 09:37:43
I thought manU were steadily inpressive myself. If there were no fan emotions ties to it, I'd pick their 2 victories and solidity over our one performance so far. Zlatan is a beast for them and I can see him towering over any one of our CBs to score a header or two when we meet. Oh except for Klavan of course who will break zlatan down!
20 Aug 2016 09:41:36
I hope you fellas turned off your S*y boxes last night and watched the hockey final. Brilliant, great Dutch team and the GB keeper was awesome.
20 Aug 2016 10:40:49
Loooooooooooolll😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
20 Aug 2016 11:57:56
You could well be the better team close to your peak at the moment but United, having got max points, will gel and get even better as Jose works on the best systems and decided upon his strongest team.
20 Aug 2016 12:07:43
I personally think that come May, the league will be between ourselves and you lads, klopp has done a great job with you lot and you look a great attacking threat, but highly susceptible in defence. We don't have the best defenders but if anyone can keep a solid defence, it's jose. Hopefully we'll be battling at the top and we beat youse to it ;)
20 Aug 2016 12:20:06
Come May the title will be well and truly over.
LFC champions.
20 Aug 2016 12:20:46
Always good to come on here and see the comics at work.
:O)
20 Aug 2016 12:59:34
They do say the scouse sense of humour is among the best 😂.
20 Aug 2016 17:15:29
Lads, wake up and smell the coffee, its great to be optimistic, but really, the title is not coming to the city of Liverpool, not this season anyway, as much I would like it, Manchester is my bet to win it, as much as I like Klopp, he has his faults, we are not set up right, not yet .
20 Aug 2016 17:23:29
This post is funnier now than it was this morning 😂😂.
20 Aug 2016 00:06:25
Hi, not a rumour, Ed's what do you think to Frank de Boer taking a swipe at Jurgen Klopp and his training methods since he came into the club? Thanks.
20 Aug 2016 01:04:44
Jealous. Desperate.
{Ed007's Note - Bizarre. }
20 Aug 2016 01:51:39
Probably just bitter because he didn't get the lfc job.
20 Aug 2016 03:57:48
De Boer just sounds like he's trying to buy himself time at his new job by saying he needs a slow transition.
20 Aug 2016 06:57:17
To say someone has tried to put their 'stamp' on a team too soon just shows he is not up to a top job in a top league IMO. Nothing personal to Ronalds stupid brother.
20 Aug 2016 17:19:02
I thought it was out of order to say that, but is there even an element of truth in what he said, we did, and still having way too many injuries, we must top the league of the treatment table visits .
{Ed002's Note - There was nothing wrong wioth what he said - it was true and you were told this last year.}