Liverpool Banter Archive December 20 2011
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20 Dec 2011 23:50:14
It appears that the FA discounted the 'Negreto' remarks apparently made by Suarez because some United players were using the same terminology. So that leaves the remark that Suarez was supposed to have uttered in the penalty area - without Evra having any witnesses or evidence to the incident.
Whilst I don't go in for all the comments made about Evra being unreliable due to a previous incident where he made accusations that were (also) not substantiated, I have to wander if the FA have now set themselves up for a big fall?
The next time there is an issue of racist remarks and there is no corroborating evidence, how are they going to act, having set this precedent?
It opens the flood doors for any vindictive player to make accusations against others knowing the burden of proof lies on the accused! What a mess the FA have made.
FA will need to force players to wear a microphone from now on.
20 Dec 2011 23:49:03
Eds, can the club or Suarez take legal action to overturn the FA's decision?
Surely no judge or court in the world (other than corrupt ones) would've found suarez guilty due to the complete and utter lack of evidence?
Surely we can't just accept this kind of insipid and inept decision?
Singapore Red {Ed001's Note - the first course of action will be an appeal.}
Both the club and Suarez CAN use there own legal teams if required. The club first and foremost will try and clear Suarez, if the club fail then should Suarez wish to fight this with his own legal team he can do so...
20 Dec 2011 23:44:30
Part of the LFC statement
"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult."
This sums up this case and the FA, in a nutshell. This is why I changed my mind, it's a f*cking joke. I'm not blaming Luis or Evra, i'm blaming the FA. No court in the land would convict someone, if it's one mans word against another. We all know that the FA are useless, this just proves how useless and clueless they are.
I'm not sticking up for racism, i'm sticking up for Luis. Luis Suarez is not a racist, Evra even said so. But no matter what Evra told them, Luis was always guilty. If you think that this is the end of this, then think again. This is going to as far as LFC can take it. Not only to clear Luis's name but to show how incompetent, the FA really are.
What a f*cking joke.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
It is a f*cking joke and well put, mate!
Keith
20 Dec 2011 23:40:59
those who ran the FA they dosen't what football means .there reaction against a world class player was very nonsence . how they know the conversation was between two heads was? no one knows what they said to eachother . one against one makes nonsence even in the courts off justice there should be the seconed person and than they will decide not like what they did against a men who continue not being protected during matches .
20 Dec 2011 23:40:37
Terry will be found not guilty by the police meaning the FA cannot find him guilty as there is case law in European Court of Human Rights , that if a person is found not guilty of an offence he/she cannot be treated as if they have been. So unless Terry is found guilty by the police (highly unlikely with Euro 2012 coming up) he cannot be found guilty of racism by the FA. Terry or his counsel were smart enough to figure that one out.
Suarez should have gone down that route too,
Evra= little black man (Fact)
Negrito = little black man
With cultural contexts taken into account and the absense of any fowl language , the police wouldn't even bring a prosecution.
20 Dec 2011 23:39:39
Is Luis considering leaving LFC Ed?
I cannot bear to lose another top player?
CL. {Ed001's Note - right now, no. But it is a very real fear amongst the club and people connected with it.}
20 Dec 2011 23:38:57
Yes I believe Liverpool FC will support suarez and so they should, FA have acted on 1 man's word against another, evra was found lying about being racially abused by Chelsea staff so why should we believe him this time.
Suarez came out and said the exact word that was used which is (negrito) and that is not a racist remark in Uruguay, so he shouldn't be punished he should be educated.
Liverpool appeal can be successful and once they start their appeal the suspension will be delayed until the case is sorted that will allow suares to resume playing and the case could drag until the start of next season and if there is any suspension to be handed over will be next season.
Liverpool can manage with out suares but will be more dangerous to any team with suares in the team.
abbs
{Ed001's Note - Evra did not lie about a member of the Chelsea staff, it was Mickey Phelan that made the racism claim, Evra's statement made it plain that he never heard any racism or racist insults.}
(evra never heard any racism or racist insults)
so what's suarez being charged for? and why evra made a complain to the FA? {Ed001's Note - that was referring to a previous incident.}
20 Dec 2011 23:38:54
Can we not just bombard the FA with emails as we did to the ex owners....
I would sooner bombard that lying cheating frog with emails get him out of the epl,god i hate evra so much im getting up early in the moring so i can hate him for longer,
20 Dec 2011 23:37:27
Sadly, the decision by the FA (RE: Suarez), may be the catalyst for his departure.
As a young man, in a new country (Suarez), and now potentially the target of every supporter and tagged with the title of "Racist", it will most likely be too much for him to endure.
Sad but true.
What are you on about? The club are 100% behind him this will make him come back stronger if anything.
Tom.
He bit some guys ear off, he intentionally handballed to save his country being knocked out in front of millions watching and you think he is going to be bothered by what a few people in the crowd shout? Oh right.
That was mike Tyson m8, suarez bit the other guy on the neck.
Neck ,ear its all tasty!
20 Dec 2011 23:33:17
Sadly the hatred between Liverpool and Man U fans has just got worse. Is Suarez a racist NO - The FA said and so has EVRA. If he has used the term Negra it can be described as Racist and or insulting. We have to wait to see what Suarez said. LFC's statement appears that he was charged by the FA before admitting to say anything which would be wrong. Only after the charge did it come out about the term.
However 'insulting comments'. The next time I attend a match and hear the chant 'You Scouse B*******' can I make a full complaint as the opposing club are not controlling their fans?
I believe that this will drag on for the next 6 months. Liverpool will go for defamation of character in the courts outside of FA.
20 Dec 2011 23:26:58
The FA is incompetent beyond belief.
Nobody heard anything. Not a single player, fan or official.
And suarez is found guilty and gets an 8 match ban?
On evra's word alooe?
Maybe we should be glad evra only claimed racial abuse and not sexual abuse.
Suarez probably would've been found guilty of that too.
Same thing- nobody saw or heard anything but evra's word alone would be enuf.
Is terry gona get 20 match ban since there is video evidence?
With the level of incompetence at the FA, he'll prob be found not guilty.
Singapore Red
Good One M8 :))
20 Dec 2011 23:26:35
I know we are all shocked but should we be really? We don't know all the facts but we do know:-
1) Kenny had to embarrass the FA into hearing the case now as they couldn't appear to decide what to do. They clearly had no real evidence or idea how to charge him, else why not charge him a month ago?
2) If Evra felt racially abused during the game then he was remarkably calm for the remainder of the game for one so insulted and he did not report it to the match officials at that time.
3) We know he complained after the game, we must wonder if someone influenced him given his statement says he does not think that Luis Suarez is a racist.
4) We now know Gordon Taylor attempted to mediate between the two clubs through the PFA, but in his words "he was unable to achieve that", again I wonder who rejected the offer?
5) We know the Manchester United manager said that Patrice Evra wanted to pursue this having just seen his team ripped apart for the second season running by Louis Suarez, who he also branded a diver, since then Suarez has hardly been awarded a free kick in the premier league.
6) we know that since lighting the blue touch paper, like a mafia boss creating an alibi, the Man Utd manager has disappeared into the background leaving his stooges to fire the mortal bullets.
I hope Rooney commits another misdemeanor very soon to expose these corrupt FA characters. Let's see our governing body go to the Euro 2012 without their captain and centre forward, hypocrites.
If there is any justice then I'd expect the Manchester United manager to get exactly what he deserves in 2012.
YNWA Luis Suarez - ALB
20 Dec 2011 23:25:12
supposedly the 'racist' remark Suarez made to Evra was negrido, meaning 'small black man', Evras own team-mates call him this but its not racist if they say it?
If someone called me a medium sized white man i wouldnt be offended in slightest, surely common sense applies, come on F.A this is an absolute joke.
Its the world we live in today, im sure we will laugh at how are society is today in 50 years time. politics, racism, etc is a joke atm. racism is wrong but when something is dealt with like this, makes me ashamed to be english, and dispise foreigners in our league. the media just makes it worse but they just see it as making a living and couldnt care less...
Exactly I have a friend wgo is called petit noir (french for little black which is a joke because he's huge)
Let's hope we don't buy Alvaro Negredo from Sevilla or we will have everybody up before the FA.
Scouse Pride
I would love the kop to hold up banners saying corrupt fa,
T shirts/banners,forumns,leaflets the lot.Bombard the stuffy old school tie p s
20 Dec 2011 23:23:42
Forgot to finish my post .....Luis's word vs Evra's...
If this is the case, Luis should not have been banned for 8 matches.
In a time of adversity, comes an opportunity. Andy Carroll will not get a better chance to get a run of games to try and find some form. If in the 8 matches Luis is missing, we can get Andy firing, we could finally see the partnership Kenny was hoping to build when he brought them to the club.
RedSG
20 Dec 2011 23:22:40
Suarez just needs to do " a blatter" and post a pic of himself hugging a black man. Ha
MIKEY
20 Dec 2011 23:18:20
Ed, I don't know if I misjudged you before when you replied to an earlier post, but can Suarez play in the Wigan match tomorrow?
Cheers
InTheKnow {Ed001's Note - yes he can, he can continue to play until either he decides not to appeal the verdict and informs the FA or the appeal is heard.}
2 weeks to appeal.. I think..
Myk
20 Dec 2011 23:18:20
It's pointless to continue to vent our anger at what seems to be a great injustice to Luis Suarez, my reading of LFC's statement is that its Luis' word vs Evra's.
20 Dec 2011 23:15:06
Player of 2011
www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/Player-of-2011
Lets show our man Luis Suarez our support
He's got 65% of the vote so far..! There's 10 nominees by the way...
Myk
20 Dec 2011 23:11:49
The club said that the fa was determined to charge suarez even before they had the hearing. just thinking, dalglishs comments on rooneys ban might not of helped suarez?
20 Dec 2011 23:08:58
Now is the time for his team-mates to support Luis on the pitch. The best way to do that is to win the eight matches. I would also like to say that if he had been to Court he would have been given eight matches with four of them suspended for a certain length of time. It's just another case of the f.a. making an example of Liverpool - Keegan 11 matches, Fowler 6 matches, and now Suarez 8 matches. I hope that the whole team refuses to shake hands with vera when they next play against stretford untidied.
Dutchmal
Don't be so ****ing petty.
The players out on the pitch play for Liverpool Football Club. That is the be all and end all. Not for Luis Suarez or anyone else.
And Liverpool FC stands for better things than it;s getting dragged in to at the moment.
The Real KB
Agree totally with KB. Evra is a pathetic excuse for a human being. He's played the race card time and time again and the FA should stand up to him so that when a player is actually subjected to racist abuse it can be treated with the repulsion the situation deserves and we can have no doubt that those found guilty are justifiably so. Racism deserves no part in football, sport or society and we should all stand up to it together. Luis Suarez is no racist. And we should not lower ourselves to the standard of a man who once accused the people of his native Senegal (among others) of racially abusing him. People of his own race! Shake his hand, look him in the eye and treat him with dignity. Because we're LFC...and we're better than him.
Keero YNWA
20 Dec 2011 23:03:45
That's it for me. Guilty without evidence. One man's word against another. Cannot the numpties see that this will increase racism?
I will look for a sport where there are men.
Goodbye football , hello Rugby.
Pathetic.
(pressed post by accident) .."little black man/friend" saying then Evra was not to know. The FA should have seen this (if this is what happened at the time), we should wait to see what the report says.
Myk
20 Dec 2011 23:02:52
Just home from work and on my way home I listening to Talks**te, and Mark Saggars has made his own mind up.....talk about impartial journalism......no wonder sky gave him the boot....he must be so far up the FA's jacksy....what a git.......all he spoke of was the facts.....the facts.....the facts.....ok so what are the FACTS......the FA has, pending an appeal handed Luis Suarez an 8 match + 40k ban/fine for allegedly racially abusing Patrice Evra......they based this on, and only on, Evra's version of events of what happened at Anfield that afternoon.....No one else according to the FA between the 45k in the stands and the 25people on the pitch (22players on field + officials) heard any such abuse.......This I find comical...If Luis racially abused Patrice and admitted it along with undoubted proof, then the punishment fits the crime but.....sorry this is farsical....also to the t**ts who say stop bringing Rooney and Terry into this case.....you are idiots!!!! of course they have to be brought into this.....it highlights just how hypocritical the FA are.....I cannot wait to see how they (the FA) deal with Terrys alleged racial abuse allegation by Anton Ferdinand.......if as I believe...... it will be a different outcome (based on the "looking out for the 3-lions boys")......I hope for the sake of football I am wrong but I will wait with bated breath for the outcome of this fiasco..............On another subject regarding Evra..............I would like to say this...........you are a disgrace to the players union.......not for what has happened with Luis Suarez but for your continued attempts to get fellow pro's booked at every moment of 50-50 challenges during games to which to you are involved in......if he were the Captain of my club I would be ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with them......when I see his behaviour in games it makes me sick........Fergie if this is what Man U are all about.......then no wonder 75% of the planet hates all and everything your club stands for.......having a cheat at the forefront of the club as Captain(giving him the armband) that such figureheads such as Robson, Bruce, Cantona and Keane wore with honesty.......how low has this club sunk!!!! if the appeal shows that Luis didn't say any such thing......Evra will finally be branded a disgrace.......We hope the powers that be find the truth..........Luis Suarez YNWA......
Amen
LFC4LIFE
I loved this post it was spot on
Mark Saggers is clearly one of the most pathetic people given any kind of air time in this country. His attitude stinks. Has a clear London bias, purrs over anything Manc and has a lack of intelligence like no other. It always amuses me when someone with a penchant for lengthy words with slight public school twang is taken as an intellectual. I myself have a relatively formal education, I listen to the man and think why? Why is he allowed to be on the radio. He is a sleaze of the highest order, I listen to his comments about Rafa over the years and they are without doubt xenophobic. In fact the whole footballing media is largely xenophobic. This has come to fruition again with Luis. He is Latin, that means he is a diver, that means he is racist, that means he is a cheat and dishonest. Starting to ring a bell?
D-Day (1892)
20 Dec 2011 23:01:18
Suarez/Liverpool have 14 days to appeal. If the appeal does go ahead and is upheld expect the ban to be 10 games.
20 Dec 2011 22:59:24
Anger is confusing you all boys. On the one hand, Evra is a dishonest liar who's been guilty of talking rubbish in the past. But in the next sentence, you cite his statement as support of Suarez not being a racist?!
Make up your minds. It's a weird decision but it's got sod all to do with United - Evra himself said Suarez isnt racist, racism is like a hot potato these days and the FA simply want to make a stand. It was a weird stand, but Terry will surely get the season now or face uproar from Liverpool and I'm sure, football fans in general.
RED_SKY
You honestly believe Utd brought no pressure to bear with Gill in such a prominent position?And utd away being a game Suarez will likely miss.OK Then
I repeat again, Mr No Name. Memory is a very selective thing, when your team is suffering. Last season, the FA invented a new rule to charge and ban Rooney for swearing to the cameras. The referee was pressured into making a statement to condemn him (this has been admitted by the ref himself) and on the panel was Bernstein, a City boy. Coincidentally, a ban would mean Rooney missed game(s) against Man City.
Does that sound fair to you either? Yeah of course it doesnt mate - everything's hilarious until it's your team that's on the receiving end/
SUCK.....IT.......UP.
It's your turn now Liverpool, good luck without Suarez.
RED_SKY
20 Dec 2011 22:58:02
does the ban take effect only from the new year or immediately? {Ed001's Note - it will depend on an appeal, it is suspended pending an appeal.}
20 Dec 2011 22:52:30
Question for the eds. Do any of the other club sections of this site have a contact similiar to macca? His posts keep me dedicated to this site 2b honest(along with the excellent n tireless work of the eds and format of the site ) after visiting regulary n not realy actively posting, I often find some of my "fellow supporters" depressing at best. Carrol bashing, degrading the team n overall whining like little girls everytime we don't win n or it dusnt go our way. Just wanted to say thank you Macca and eds for all the good work. The best footy site there is. Cheers and merry chritmas {Ed001's Note - not as of yet none of the others do. Macca seems to be very much a one off so far!}
20 Dec 2011 22:49:10
ED001 Do you think Suarez may really leave over this situation? plus with the Fulham gesture im guessing he will have a further ban,he may feel victimised? {Ed001's Note - there is a very real danger of it happening, Real Madrid are very openly sniffing around him.}
Wouldn't be the end of the world.
The Real KB
It would be a very sad day if the circumstances drive Luis out of Liverpool FC.
RedSG
Would he be open to a move to madrid though ED? {Ed001's Note - would you be open to a move away from a place where you feel victimised?}
If he wants to leave, I don't blame him. Who would want to play his football here with people baying for his blood henceforth?! But I hope Luis shows sense and strength of character to bite this and bounce back stronger to prove to all the naysayers that he can be the very best with us at Liverpool!
I agree, this will only hasten the departure of Suarez, as being 'branded' a racist in a foreign country, will make his life on and off the field difficult.
20 Dec 2011 22:45:43
The FA have today proved beyond any doubt that their organisation is not fit for purpose and having granted themselves almighty power lack the ability to use that power wisely. The Luis Suarez guilty verdict says more about their weakness and failings but nothing about common sense and the right of every man, regardless of race or colour, to receive a fair hearing.
Their decision is perverse and needs to be challenged immediately by LFC and Luis. If not, this bunch of ****wits will continue along their misguided route of making English football a laughing stock.
Midsred
First of all I would like to state I have been a LFC fan for nearly 40 years. I am disgusted with the way Surez has been treated from the start. But I have to say get off Evra's back, In his statement he said he didn't think Surez was racist, secondly he admitted he used abusive remarks to Surez. The main core of any appeal could be based on Evra's addmision or evidence from his teamates that they also called him the crucial word.
World English Dictionary for Racism
1.
The belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief .
Judge for yourself if you think Surez is racist........I DONT.......Bobbinred
20 Dec 2011 22:31:47
I can't believe what I'm reading from you clowns! Luis Suarez has just received an 8 match ban and a £40,000 fine for racism. He has been found GUILTY by the FA. And yet, you still defend him on this site? What happened to the whole 'I don't want Suarez to play for Liverpool again if he is found gulty' posse? And as for the statement released by Liverpool this evening, well, that shows just how little class your club has! And like the sheep you all are, you take Liverpools word and assume this is all on the word of Evra! He's been charged, found guilty and now banned and still you defend this man? Ridiculous!
G.A.G.U.S {Ed001's are you mad? He did not get the fine for racism, as the FA and Evra pointed out, they did not think he was racist, so clearly it was not a punishment for racism.}-
Lmfao
k-h ynwa Suarez
Ed why do you evn post such idiotic comments by such fools who cant comprehend what has just transpired? luis suarez-YNWA!
indian red!
What did he get it for? {Ed001's Note - that is why we have to await the full verdict to find out.}
How can a manc talk about class??? erm eric, roo the blue, roy keane to name but 3, do yourself and us a favour and crawl back under your rock you muppet! - Tmac
Even I can see this is a joke GAGUS. I wouldn't stick up for any racist mate, you know this. But this seems to be a bit suspect, it really does.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
'G.A.G.U.S', you seriously are delusional. How you can come on hear bleating this load of nonsense after statements have been released is beyond me. Let me explain this in simple terms for you:
1)THE FA SAID LUIS SUAREZ WAS NOT RACIST.
2)PATRICE EVRA SAID LUIS SUAREZ IS NOT A RACIST
3)The charge was brought on Suarez based on this evidence, 'word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken'
Thus coming to the conclusion that this is a ridiculous decision.
Jatt YNWA
p.s. Try actually reading a few things before accusing everyone on this site of being 'clowns'.
The £40,000 fine was for their Christmas party, you maybe all be disappointed by the FA but are any of you surprised?
A quick questions if anyone knows, if the club appeals the decision who do they appeal too? Surely their no point going to the FA again.
always a red
We won't let our players walk alone.
"Jatt YNWA"
Did you get those statements from the Liverpool site?
B
He was not found guilty in a court of law, or using any rigorous or respected process of trial/judgement, but instead by a three man panel of laymen appointed by an organisation who answer to Sepp Blatter- a man who is publicly recognised as totally corrupt, and incompetent at anything other than keeping himself in power.
Suarez was found guilty by a corrupt organisation who have no respect whatever from the British public, and he has more honour than any man among them.
After his recent media furore over dismissing racism with a handshake after the game, Blatter probably pressured the FA to make a strong response, just to prove that the FA and FIFA take the issue seriously.
But the biggest casualty in all of this is not Suarez, or LFCs season- it is the cause of real anti-racism, and Evra is the man who has done that damage to the cause by making a spurious allegation.
Shame on you Patrice Evra, for damaging the cause of anti-racism, and in your childish anger accusing an innocent man for using a word that you already know carries no racist meaning in his eyes.
Evra is the real villain in this injustice.
20 Dec 2011 22:28:01
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH, That was most likley your response when you heard the news and like you I was livid at the FA but at the same time its made me realise we are to reliant on Suarez this year and this could be a good time for Carroll to make or break his career.
There are three main differances between Suarez and Carroll:
1- We all wanted Suarez and few wanted Carroll, When we signed Suarez I was over the moon, When we signed Carroll, my genuine words were "ok" I had be impressed but was still unconvinced.
2- Suarez was a Bargain, Carroll was not, no one can argue this but this is not the lads fault.
3- Carroll came in injured on an already critisiesd on his transfer fee while watching Suarez took to the premier league like a duck to water.
Lets get behind the team now as they go through a troubling time and get behind Carroll -McMenemy
20 Dec 2011 22:27:52
Post this on all pages please ED, We need to tell the F.A what we think of this injustice.
www.thefa.com/TheFA/WhoWeAre/ContactUs
5times*****
Everyone should save this link to write a complaint when you have a few minutes to spare.
20 Dec 2011 22:23:58
suarez vs terry, the fa's cunning strategy
www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12/suarez-vs-terry-fas-cunning-strategy.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
interesting or no?
rev
20 Dec 2011 22:22:43
A quick question for the EDS although in not sure you can answer it but I'll ask it anyway. Lets say we do appeal the decision how long is it likely to take till we get the decision from the appeal?
{Ed001's Note - impossible to say, it will depend on the FA.}
Thought so cheers anyway
20 Dec 2011 22:22:08
hi ed, do u think we will bid for luuk de jong or boost our interest in other strikers now suarez has been banned? {Ed001's Note - an 8 match ban will not affect our transfer plans.}
20 Dec 2011 22:22:34
we should be having a look ay huddersfields jordan rhodes ,a natural finisher,would be a great player with a year or twos coaching at our level.rob b
We need someone now
Danny
The new deal is play the unproven race card. The PC fools at the FAMILY will fall for it every time. Unless of course the name is John Terry.
Football in the UK is now finished. Think of the opportunities to play this card.
Evra is a snake, he is known for it. Whisky nose won't complain.
Unproven is the word, one man's version against another.
Puke and lying are other words.
20 Dec 2011 22:15:06
fuming about Luis Suarez ruling....Evra has been found out lying and pulling the race card in the past, nobody in football likes him, his behaviour for the french national team alienated him from his fellow countrymen..
the fa are definatley trying to make a point...hope they remember this when looking at the John terry case..reports say the fa will back terry?? even though he could someone a B**** C*** live in front of millions of viewers..lets see consistancy pls FA....
DAVE
Terry will get a royal pumping for his charge I bet
Pardoe
When has Evra lied exactly? He never personally made an accusation against Chelsea so that would make no sense
So what, because he's alienated himself from his internaional team mates - a claim of racist abuse against him should be disregarded?
Good logic!
Gav
Steve finnan {Ed001's Note - Evra never made the claim against Finnan, it was a fan in the crowd who made the claim against Finnan. Evra was asked what he heard and he said he never heard any such words used.}
And your logic is so much better?
20 Dec 2011 22:13:46
What makes the FA a laughing stock is that they have John Terry on the England page advertising UMBRO products...
www.thefa.com/england
Scroll down bottom right... they are hypocritical and a disgrace!
So what Suarez is still guilty why you so bothered about other teams players?
20 Dec 2011 22:10:28
In response to he disgaceful decision by the FA, I have just sent the email coped below to the FA, all fair minded football fans should complain.
"Dear Sirs
I have been a fan of football, for 45 years, and today for the first time I can say I am totally ashamed that I am an England fan.
Based on the evidence that has been made public, the FA has shown themselves to be spineless, and indeed guilty of a racist action. It is clear the decision to punish the Liverpool player Suarez is motivated by cowardice, and bias towards Manchester Utd.
If the player had have insulted Evra where is the independent evidence, Evra's word seems the only evidence available. So it's based on the word of someone who has made two false claims in the past.
We all know if the TV had have recorded anything, on there 50+ cameras at the match, Suarez would have been crucified over and over again from every angle, in slow motion, but there seems to be nothing. Evra's own team mates heard nothing, the words KANGAROO COURT comes to mind.
One can only say the FA are two faced, i.e. Rooney appeal against ban for violent conduct.
One presumes that given all the evidence available against John Terry, including complaints to the police, TV film footage, Player statements etc, Mr Terry will be facing a fine in the £200,000 range, plus a ban of at least 24 match, but,, oh I forgot he is the Captain of England, and a player of great moral standing, as he has proved by his actions in the past.
You really are a disgrace, and do not deserve to be in control of our great national sport, you bunch of spineless hypocrites"
I am just about to send them an email as well, all I keep thinking of is how the F.A have a nerve after appealing on behalf of Rooney. John Terry is surely facing lengthy ban, remainder of the season even longer but oh no it is the bleeding F.A we are talking about and oh yeah he is the England Captain so most probably not!
LFC4LIFE {Ed003's Note - I know tonights decision is still raw and I am gobsmacked myself, but we have to remember John Terrys case is, and will be treated on its own merits}
Check your facts and you'll find Evra has never made any allegations in the past - others have made complaints about abuse aimed at him - such righteous indignation on behalf of someone with a chequered disciplinary past
Why bother? It's as pathetic as arguing with a referees decision & will have equal effect. Let Liverpool decide whether to appeal or not and hope we can cope without.
I may be wrong but didn't Suarez admit what he said(after weeks of denying it),that is the evidence The FA have not Evra's word.
Marky Mark
What makes you think John Terry won't get similar treatment?
MIKEY
Ouch. Your bitter as...
How can they he "hypocrites" when Terry has not yet been charged or punished?
Gav
Well said mate i genuinely mean that
Apparently evra admitted to the fa board that he himself was calling and making derogatory remarks in spanish to saurez. however it is unlikely any action will be taken, as 1; saurez chose not to hear it, 2; one member of the said board is and has close ties to alex ferguson. john terry however cannot be dealt with by the same board as it is now being investigated by the police. saurez has unfortunately been made a scape goat, by the spineless cowardly fa
I know Ed003... I know *sigh* I am just bloody livid to be honest, actually I am fuming!! I am more fuming because if we do appeal... honestly, is it actually going to make a difference? if the F.A had the balls to hand such a ban I dont think they are going to go back on their word. I just give up with the F.A funny thing is we cant do anything about it and just have to take their bull and its business as usual where the F.A will continue to act in the manner they do and everyone suffers apart from Man U of course.
LFC4LIFE
3 words............"HE IS ENGLISH"..........
20 Dec 2011 22:03:23
First off all disgusted with the ban, think its a joke. hope evra receives one now too. After all this racism branding I can see Luis wanting to up sticks and leave England. Can't see him wanting that held over him for the rest of the Liverpool career, cause we all know what the media are like here. Really hope i'm wrong but a transfer request could be in the pipeline. Really hope not.
YNWA Luis
KNK YNWA
Or it could work out the manager fans and players will all get behind suarez and show him he has our full support and the team will fight even more for each other and make us a stronger unit.
And exactly what is Evra going to receive a ban for? lol {Ed001's Note - because he admitted foul and abusive language towards Suarez, some of which was based upon his heritage, which would mean, in essence, that it is racial would it not?}
A black man cant be racist ed. didnt you know that? {Ed001's Note - you will get us in trouble!}
I am black and black people can be racist so clearly shows either your poor taste in gags or ignorance, I will leave that upto you to decide. Racism is not welcome anywhere. From the evidence shown so far I back Saurez all the way and if this is taken to a proper court with an actual panel that is not corrupt, our lawyers would wrap it up within a hour of court commencing.
LFC4LIFE
20 Dec 2011 22:02:05
Can suarez acually take the FA to court for branding him a racist to the world as a human being this could affect every area of his life..? {Ed003's Note - Something I thought about, but I really dont know tbh }
Found guilty of being racially abusive not branded a racist - two different things
The drawback to that is that no matter any result every newspaper article in perpetuity will mention the rascism charge ...not to mention the fans of other clubs
Pardoe
Have they branded him racist or have they just said he made a racist remark?
Those 2 things are not the same but both are morally wrong and punishable in my book
Gav
20 Dec 2011 22:01:15
Ed's,could it be possible that Suarez will be banned for more games because of the Fulham gesture?
Marty {Ed003's Note - Yes }
20 Dec 2011 21:59:30
I just had this funny feeling deep down the F.A were going to do this. I have so much to say about the F.A but I am to angry at the moment and will probably get banned for life from this site for an obscene amount of profanities so the little I say on them the better.
This is just a joke, in all honesty a joke! the F.A have a nerve after going out of their way to protect Rooney despite Rooney BLATANTLY lashing out at another player, if someone can explain this and the Saurez ban believe me I am all ears????
I know the Ed001 said were likely to sign a striker anyways and i know you dont just sign a striker for 8 games, but correct me if I am wrong but I feel the targets may need to change slightly. We are not a one man team but without Saurez there is no spark upfront and we were struggling to convert our chances as it were, although that was partly due to bad luck and goalkeepers deciding to play the game of their life's against us. I just feel and hope we sign someone of real class, clinical, confident and has cut it already at the highest level.
I am not to sure who we can attract and I am realistic in where we are at the moment and know the likes of Messi wont be showing up at Anfield anytime soon but feel maybe splashing out on someone like Higuain maybe a gamble in terms of fee we may need to do sooner rather the later. Real Madrid are willing to sale for some strange reason again whether he wants to come to us is entirely another matter.
LFC4LIFE
No, no he would not want to come to Anfield imo
Higuain is top class and would want guaranteed CL action, which is not the case in Merseyside
Gav
Yeah I think the same in all fairness, just struggling to think who else is class but also possibly attainable?
LFC4LIFE
20 Dec 2011 21:57:55
Astronomers announce findng planet with intelligent life but apologise 30 mins later once they realise it was only populated by an FA committee.....
20 Dec 2011 21:56:07
evening eds , going to sit on the fence with the fa ban for luis , but i do feel that they are sending out missed messages you get 3 match ban for voilent conduct ( A B H).but 8 match for supposidley racail abuse (calling of names). if i was a player now i would go for the ABH all day.dont have to post if could create aproblem for you all EDS.but that my thoughts cheers psv
Any wrong does not make a right pal. Lets not start to compare one crime against another. Our players should be doing neither.
NorthWestBest
Calling of names? Are you for real?
He wouldnt have got banned for calling him a pratt or nancy now would he!
Poor shout, very poor
Gav
20 Dec 2011 21:54:16
hoilet should be on our transfer list. yes okay hes in a poor team but hes a class player. eds you think we will make a move? {Ed001's Note - hard to say, his contract is expiring, but I doubt he will go anywhere in Jan, when he can hang on 6 months and get a nice big signing fee.}
20 Dec 2011 21:54:13
To the Ed's,
From reading your replys (i think it was Ed002) I was under the impression Suarez had admitted using a Spanish term towards Evra but denied using it in a racial way. But from reading the LFC official statement they are saying that is zero evidence to support the allegations made, and that it is only Evras word that they are basing this witch hunt on.
I think the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand thing has been already discussed at length, but last week at home to QPR, the crowd were chanting about Suarez looking a rat and a Mr J.Barton was also pulling Rat like faces towards Luis. Isnt that also making a slur against someones appearance?
The FA are a disgrace!
Tommy Walsh
20 Dec 2011 21:54:07
I don't know with Suarez. He's got the Fulham thing to come.
I am more angry with him for compromising the club like this to be honest.
Whichever way you look at it, it is bad news for LFC.
Can the club afford to be seen to be defending this?
With a world-wide support. It just looks so bad, from every angle.
How comes players like Ian Callaghan can make 843 appearances for Liverpool over nearly 20 years and you don't hear a peep from him, yet Suarez has only been here less than a year ?
Don't know, but well p***ed off.
The Real KB
I'm with you on this one. We have heard so much over the last year about carrolls life style. But it's Suarez who really brings shame on us. He attracts trouble.
Not just this latest ban.
Let's hope he does some growing up while suspended.
MIKEY
Have you read the LFC statement mate? I can't see the club releasing something like that if they were 100% sure of his credibility mate.
I know a club supports its players - but the statement has an agry tone and implies the FA is incompetent and on a witch hunt.
Suarez is controversial mate - we knew that befoer he came - it shouldn't be that big a surprice mate.
I'm backing Luis and LFC all the way.
LIVERPRES
Kenny wouldnt stand by the man if he was a racist, you need to be behind the club in this one and have faith in our staffs judgement
LIVERPRES,
Suarez has compromised the club. No doubt about that.
The Real KB
Sorry Mikey and Real KB, y
ou can say he has compromised the club with the gesture at Fulham by all means but not this. This is simply a farce. everything that has been published suggests Suarez has been made an example of on insubstantial evidence. Dalglish and Liverpool are backing him to the hilt and so should us supporters.
cozinoz
cozinoz
Cozinoz and the rest of the angry posters on here,
I haven't said whether he has or hasn't done it. But he has compromised the club. It's traditions and standing in world football. Kenny is now gonna have to sit in press conferences being bombarded for the next 2 x months with racism questions. There is no good press out of this AT ALL for liverpool mate. If people can't see that, they're deaf dumb and blind.
The Real KB
If he isnt guilty Real KB, then he HASNT compromised the club. The club may end up answering to racism but that's Evras fault NOT Luis - why cant you see that?
cozinoz
20 Dec 2011 21:51:03
What a statement from the club re: luis. It's clear that the FA are making an example of him but I can't help but think that they, the FA, really under estimate our owners. I can see this blowing up in they're faces. Kenny obviously believes Luis and I would think, will advise the owners to do what ever they can to overturn this ludacris decision. I would also expect LFC to follow up on the fact that evra himself admitted to the PANEL that he used abusive language towards Luis and move to have a similar punishment be handed down to him. This could turn out to be a monumental day in the history of the FA, have they opened the flood gates here?? Apparently you can now racialy abuse somebody but not be a racist, it Borders on laughable. How many of these cases will we now see brought before the FA? Apart from the England captains case of course as that will be a different story altogether! Rant over, hold your head up high Luis, chalk it down to experience and remember YNWA.
Mick 1980
Because we aren't as petty just to get someone else banned.
Top post
I dont know; as a United fan I thought the same about when Rooney was banned for swearing into a camera - that the flood gates would open. But that hasnt proved to be the case
Tbh I think players just need to not use abusive, racist language towards each other and then there'll be no problems!
Lets face it, having seen this 8 match ban handed out will anyone be stupid enough to commit the same crime?
(too late for J Terry of course)
Should prove to be a good deterrant
Gav
20 Dec 2011 21:50:55
This page is making me laugh tonight, more than usual. Here's a few home truths that appear to have been lost:
1) No one believes Suarez is racist, he just made a racist remark. TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.
2) He has been found guilty so therefore should be punished.
3) Man United/ Patrice Evra did not hand down the ban, contrary to what some of you seem to think.
4) Just because his team mates supposedly call him that word, doesn't give Suarez the right to.
5) The FA isn't corrupt for issuing someone found guilty of racism with a ban.
6) No one knows what evidence was used by the prosecution, so until the papers are released to the public let's stop with the whole 'the only is Evra's word'.
7) Stop talking about John Terry and Wayne Rooney. This is to do with Suarez, neither of them two.
8) And as for Evra's history (or lack of it in reality), what about Suarez's? I wasn't aware biting someone's ear was a sign of an angelic nature...
#ags 19
Justice for Patrice
I was surprised you could count to 8.....
Of course he has the right to ise the same term as Evra's team mates , if he want to use the same term as Evra's team mates .
There is no rule banning the use of opponents nicknames - you person .
1977
People forget that Rooney was stitched-up by the FA last season. The FA even told the referee exactly what to write in his statement which the referee and Mike Dean confirmed.
Disney!
If evras team mates call him that word too then the whole man utd squad should get banned aswell otherwise they are being racist.
Have you seen the video on YouTube where evra is openly calling the black players of arsenal the n word whilst he was playing for marseille? He wasn't saying it to their faces, but he still said it
You United fans are all the same, you think your club nor your players can do no wrong! So you take pleasure in seeing other clubs and their players punished.
It is for that reason that I despise United fans, their reaction would be the same if it were say "Rooney" or "Nani" however they cannot see that the FA is corrupt.
The FA back a player, who kicks an opponent in outrage and so are essentially encouraging acts of anger over saying a meaningless "word".
United as a club, I respect most things about, however their fans and their manager are sycophantic to the FA.
What I feel:
1. Whatever you say, unless they physically show evidence and PROVE Suarez guilty, I refuse to believe otherwise.
2. Your fourth point is invalid. One rule for one club, another rule for another? Regardless of subjective opinion.
3. Suarez is IN SUPPORT of Anti-Racism.
4. My subjective opinion is that a 30 year old, professorial footballer, on thousands of pounds per week has to be a lot bigger emotionally and mentally. Sticks and stones....
If it affects him that much, he needs psychological help.
And finally, the reason the footballing world is outraged is that this decision is not just. No proof, lies, panel who were clearly out to get Luis.
You have to understand justice before agreeing it has been achieved,
JFT96,
YNWA,
LG.
1. I cannot understand why he allows his team-mates to use the word - perhaps he is too thick to realise that they are using it as an insult as well.
2. The bite was not on Otman Bakkal's ear it was just below his shoulder. Perhaps you think that that was also a racist asct as Bakkal is from Moroccan descent.
3. Why did he allow Suarez to abuse him TEN times? There is no MAN on Earth who would allow that to happen.
4. Have you read the RoM site tonight? Some of the references towards Liverpool players and fans are even more inappropriate than the word used and I think that it is about time that the Police took action against these posters.
5. There was a reference to evra saying to the referee after being booked "You are only booking me because I am .....".
Dutchmal
Some fair point ags, but can a mixed race man with black ancestry be condemned and convicted as a racist to his own kind, towards another black man?
what i'm really saying is it possible to prove someone let's say rio ferdinand, can be racist towards patrice evra??
this is lfc's and now us fans problem with the outcome, and a fair point at that.
s.p
#ags 19
Justice for Patrice and Disney, Why dont you just shut it instead of trying to be clever people and spouting your evra is innocent rubbish.
Evra is cry baby and said things aganst suarez and has admitted it and yet he's the one crying and he's opened up a can of worms here and it wont go away for sometime.
Also my fellow liverpool fans are simply saying just what pathetic spineless people the FA are after bending over backwards regarding rooney and its obvious terry will escape punishment with him being an england captain !
The same word can be used in different contexts...
Sometimes names are used between family members in an effectionate and perfectly acceptable manner...that used in a different, confrontational, aggresive manor in a different context are morally wrong and therefore punishable
Sounds complicated but not really if you use common sense
Gav
There is no evidence that Luis Suarez was being derogatory - he enjoys the term 'negrito' in an endearing fashion .
1977
20 Dec 2011 21:48:02
The good old multicultural FA doing what they do best.
Getting it wrong!
20 Dec 2011 21:43:19
I think Suarez got a heavy ban, simply because it was a Man U complaint. Everything has to go their way, hence why Webb is always officiating their games (oh, except for the game against Man City when they were rocked 6 - 1). I am not a conspiracy theorist, but Man U always seem to have decisions go their way (examples Rooney with reduced ban, and now a possible backdoor entrance into the champions league when they were clearly eliminated).
Evra and his France team mates just showed their ignorance and classlessness at the recent world cup. A national disgrace. However, his word alone is enough to find Suarez guilty.
Enough to make one stomach sick.
Coop
What a bitter person. Grow up
What a load of crock, Eric's extended ban, Rio extended ban, after agreement with the FA, Rooney ban after sending off for friendly in Holland (pre season) Gerrard same no ban.
s**t happens, FA are crap, but move on.
And yet you site conspiracies
Pardoe
Very bitter indeed. Not substance to your post. Totally ill-founded to boot...
I guess its just the crippling realisation that you'll struggle to finish in the top half now that's clouding your judgement ; )
Gav
20 Dec 2011 21:42:26
Ok so the charge was brought on Suarez for using the word 'Negro', anyone with a brain in the UK knows this is racist, but reading through the club statement I think something fishy might be going on.....
1)We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
2)It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.
3)The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.
4)Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black.
5)He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.
6)He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.
7)It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented.
Source - LFC.tv
Incredible....playing devil's advocate I think that the FA may be using this to divert some attention away from what is going to happen to John Terry.
Hope Liverpool pursue this to the hills, personally judging on the base of the information I have seen, it has re-enforced my belief that the FA is a corrupt organisation.
I genuinely cannot believe he has been found guilty.
Jatt YNWA
He has been found guilty of using racist language. Which he has already admitted to doing
What exactly the fact that his grandad is black has to do with anything I do not know? Does this somehow negate him from being able to make a racist remark?
If he used a racist term in an aggresive and derogetory manner and in an antagonising context - for which he had been found guilty btw - then an 8 game ban is deserved imo
Get over it and let this be a lesson and deterrant to all other EPL players
Gav {Ed001's Note - you are wrong, Luis Suarez was found guilty of misconduct, not racism or using racist language. So please don't continue to spread lies such as that. This is the relevant piece from the FA statement (which is readily available on their website): An Independent Regulatory Commission has today [Tuesday 20 December 2011] found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suarez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40,000, pending appeal.}
20 Dec 2011 21:34:42
Let's remember that Kenny Dalglish would never tolerate racism form one of his players. He has heard all of the facts and seen the statements, and been involved in the discussions.
He knows the lad better than any of us and knows his character, and he feels strongly that Suarez is not guilty.
I would trust the judgement of Kenny before this FA-appointed panel. The FA have absolutely no credibility or competence. In fact the whole organisation from FIFA down has been proven to be corrupt and incompetent time after time, and it is typical that these over-zealous fools should overreact in the harshest possible way to this incident.
Does anyone believe it is possible or advisable to begin a petition or campaign of some sort to publicly express our support for Suarez, who everyone at the club feels has been treated much too harshly?
This is not a man who ran away without a farewell like Torres- even though he left them mid-season, he went back to Ajax to say an honourable farewell and got a standing ovation from all the fans.
This is a man with a sense of honour- he told the truth when he could easily have lied and escaped punishment (as JT would have done had he not been on camera).
Is this the reward a player gets for being honest?
What the FA don't see is that this sort of McCarthyist witch hunt can only damage and discredit the real fight against real racism as we saw from John Terry.
They are a disgrace to the cause of anti-racism, and a bunch of corrupt liars.
Suarez has more honour and dignity than all of his three judges put together.
Let's get behind our man- he'll be back in a red shirt soon.
20 Dec 2011 22:26:14
www.thefa.com/TheFA/WhoWeAre/ContactUs
Tell the FA
You trust Kenny's judgement when he was happy to sanction the £35m transfer of one Andy (6ft6inch donkey) Carrol
Fair play
20 Dec 2011 21:31:52
We need Carroll to step up to the plate now more than ever. I've never doubted him. Just thought he needed time. I hope big Andy can do what we know hes capable of. Even though Suarez is out for 8games its not all bad news with Gerrard not far from returning.
Oh and eds, do you think suarez will be sold in jan or the summer due to him being found guilty?
YNWA
Red P {Ed001's Note - I think it is very possible he may decide to leave, he does feel that he is being victimised, and the club clearly have the same view.}
I think his feeling will be compounded when L'pool finish outside the top four, again
20 Dec 2011 21:30:32
Hi Ed001. I just wondered where you stood on the clubs statement regarding evra's past incidents and credibility. You have always vehemently denied any involvement from evra. Have he club been misinformed about these incidents? Have they not the resources to make sure they don't make claims without substance? Have you missed something? Or is Evra really just a lieing rat?
D-Day (1892) {Ed001's Note - I have defended Evra from mistaken incidents, but there maybe other incidents that we are unaware of. So I can't be sure what they are talking about without them explaining the statement.}
I know 1 of the incidents was a couple of years back when utd played chelsea at stamford bridge and there was a scuffle and racism accusations made against the chelsea groundstaff during the warm down, the player alleging racism was evra. unproven allegations {Ed001's Note - no, Evra was not the one who alleged racism, it was Micky Phelan.}
Chelsea have already released a statement saying John Terry is not a member of their ground staff.
Scouse Pride
20 Dec 2011 21:27:44
Everyone, how can ye think that Suarez's 8 game ban is a farce or too harsh? Evra was racially abused and why would he lie? If he had been found out he could have gotten the same punishment or worse.
And lets remember Suarez's record, he bit another player while playing with Ajax, obviously cheated to knock Ghana out of the World Cup and held his middle finger up to the Fulham fans. The FA aren't exactly going to be lenient on him with a record like that now are they?
And another thing, these players are supposed to be role models for young children, so they shouldn't be behaving like this.
Also, i've seen people try to defend him by saying it's a common word in South America-last time I checked, England was in Europe.
I agree that John Terry should get a similar ban because rascism should not be part of football in this day and age.
I, personally, do not think that Liverpool should appeal it because they would be sending out the wrong message, but they most likely will which is totally wrong.
Don't disagree with me because I support Everton, just look at what i've typed and think about it. If this happened to, say a Man Utd player, ye would most likely say its what he deserves, or even that it is too lenient.
As I have said, racism should have no place in football in this day and age, and no matter who you are, you should be punished.
Breeno
How ironic, bitters commenting about rasicim, John Barnes & banana's anyone?? two faced tw@ts
Read the LFC statement.
LIVERPRES
To the above poster, i'm not being two faced, what happened with Barnes was awful and shouldn't have happened. I'm trying to say that racism should not have a part in football. I'm ashamed that any Everton fan, or any other fan could be so hateful towards someone because of their ethnicity.
If Suarez had been playing for Everton I would have believed the same thing as I believe now, that he deserved the ban. No matter who you are, who you play for or who you support you should treat everyone equally and fairly, not abuse them because of their skin colour or their background.
If you believe that Suarez did nothing wrong by using a racist comment towards Evra, then shame on you.
Breeno {Ed001's Note - I think the point is that no one believes he made a racist comment, rather than saying a racist comment doesn't matter. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?}
Here here Breeno it takes an Everton fan to write something sensible on the Liverpool site lol
What you say makes perfect sense
Gav
20 Dec 2011 21:40:39
if lfc accept the punishment.dose that meen suarez is a racist if so can he play for our club again i dont he is and i think the club are thinking the same so where do the club go from here
Onwards and upwards, where else?
Reading their statement there is no way that Liverpool will accept this ridiculous punishment. Racism needs to be kicked out of football but you don't do that by coming down hard on what appears to be little more than repetition of a word used by Evra's team mates. You do that by coming down hard on the England captain where there is more evidence of an offence.
Thats a good point.... and no doubt about it (sic) sir Alex new what he was doing as he marched Evra to the Ref's office that day !! We are in a no win situation....
The worrying thing is what john henry thinks being the boston red sox owner.
No it means the fa are a joke. Evra and the FA themselves have said that they dont think he is racist. Read the statement on the LFC website the club are completly behind the player
20 Dec 2011 21:40:12
hey eds can you start a page of support for luis suarez for us Liverpool fans we feel that our star has been treated unfairly
Get a life mate
Good though it is a support page in Liverpool Rumours is not going to have the FA quaking in their boots, we need something more akin to the Hicks/Gillette campaign to make them sit up and take notice.
20 Dec 2011 21:40:10
Eds
Will this 8 game ban cover every game or just premier league games?
Cos we need to be careful that he won't be able to play at wembley if he appeals and loses
Finisher {Ed001's Note - it will be first team matches under FA auspices, so it will include FA and League Cup matches.}
20 Dec 2011 21:37:23
Just read the article about Suarez on BBC website. Evra is a horrible little b*stard, but there is no excuse for racism in today's society. With no witnesses to the incident the F.A. have decided that the final decision must be made in favour Manchester United. Did anybody else notice that even the hearing went in to Fergie time. Evra has admitted he said something unrepeatable first, let's see what the F.A. do to him.
Scouse Pride
20 Dec 2011 21:36:29
Team without Suarez
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Maxi Henderson Adam Downing
Kuyt Bellamy
Subs: Doni, Kelly, Carragher, Coates, Shelvey, Spearing, Carroll
20 Dec 2011 21:35:14
Worst things to come Luis aint even been charged yet for incident at Fulham......
20 Dec 2011 21:34:02
It'll be interesting to see how the pundits react to this nonsense.
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
20 Dec 2011 21:32:16
Hi all,
i posted earlier on the lines of do we accept or do we appeal, having given this some more consideration ( now i have calmed a little ) there is ONLY one course of action and that is to fight this all the way for the honour of luis suarez and liverpool football club!
allred
20 Dec 2011 21:30:03
Show some support for our lad Rewflo!
He was not only Naive but also oblivious that the term Negrito was offensive in England, otherwise he would NOT have said it!
You have to realize and understand that there is a huge cultural difference, which the FA (Funny @ssholes) are obviously overlooking.
Did he deserve a ban? I'm not sure. Maybe 2 or 3 at best because of cultural ignorance, but 8? Well that is absolutely OUT-EFFIN-RAGEOUS, not to mention a 40k fine on top of it! I'm devastated.
Ah well, here's hoping the morons will at least show some consistency when the time comes. Look out John Terry.
I'll be even more livid if JT gets a more lenient punishment, especially since he's English and KNEW what he was shouting was going to cause offence!
The FA are a disgrace!
An extremely disappointed and upset - Chipkin9 (EIRE)
Lets be fair if Suarez gets 8 games Terry will get a s**tload more there is no doubt about that
Pardoe
20 Dec 2011 21:30:02
Suarez twitter-
Today is a very difficult and painful day for both me and my family. Thanks for all the support, I'll keep working!...
Luis, we're all behind you, YNWA.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
20 Dec 2011 21:27:44
How can somebody be found guilty without evidence. Evra has history of lying. This decision will get overturned.
Was Howard Webb on panel!
I am shocked at the incompetence of FA.
Another letter i am afraid.
Steve068
What do you expect from a kangaroo court, The decision was made a long time ago but the fa dragged it out to make it look authentic, the thee man (independent Panel ) was just doing what the FA told them. How can the panel have any credibility when they are made up from ...A good friend of Sir Alex, The chairman of the Sheffield area fa board and a QC who is probably paid for by the FA.. What LFC should do is appeal against the severity of the sentance, allow Surez to play the next 2 games and then loan him out to a South American club to keep fit and to keep his mind of this nonesense...Bobbinred
Howard Webb wasnt but Denis Smith was... 'Smith's autobiography, published in 2009, where he claimed he took pride in playing a part in helping Ferguson keep his United job in 1989'
He has strong links with Fergie and his son.. and its disgusting that the FA would appoint such a person to a panel knowing he will be seen as biased regardless..
ItsNotRocketScience
Me to it's a farce PK
Disgusting isnt it. A bit like allowing Bernstein, a City Bluenose, sit on the decision to ban Rooney for swearing into a camera - a rule that by the way was pretty much made up along the way, and the referee pressured into making a statement - as confirmed by the ref himself.
Suck it up lads. Only positive is that Terry can hopefully kiss the season and Euro 2012 goodbye.
RED_SKY
20 Dec 2011 21:27:18
Just read the official LFC statement and i'm with them 100%. Now we know some of the details, this seems to be a farce.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
You would be behind them your a red tinted spectacle fan
Blair Muppet
I am sure i can remember you stating if suarez was found guilty you wanted him out of your club!
Now he has been found guilty you are disgusted and it is a farce.
The best part of all is the amount of Liverpool fans somehow blaming Fergie for the FA's decision.I agree that the FA is a joke but it is pretty low blaming fergie.
Marky Mark
Blair may I ask what happened to your statements about rascists in your club.... as you don't want them?
Suarez obviously admitted what he said that is the only way he could be found guilty, now you scousers changed your viewpoint so ergo rascism is ok in liverpool?
Pardoe {Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? Both Evra and the FA have clearly stated that Suarez is not racist, so no one is saying that he is a racist, except for idiots who have no clue about the verdict.}
Ed 001 So lets say calling someone the big N word in a fit of pique isn't rascist its what ...an outburst, ok I can take that so if I called someone the N word would that be rascist or an outburst, you mate are hiding behind semantics because its suits your loyalty to Liverpool, fact is everyone knows a "white" person cannot call a black person the N word, and don't give me Suarez is of mixed race it doesn't stand up unless you are personal friends that can take that liberty
Pardoe {Ed001's Note - but he did not use the N word, so that is a pointless thing to say. You are just biased and being foolish.}
Marky Mark, Pardoe etc, you know my stance on racism. I did say if Luis was found guilty of it, i'd want him out. But even I can see that this is also a case, of discrimination. How the f*ck can the FA find you guilty, when it's one mans word against anothers? If this was a court case it would have been f*cked out of court. My club convinced me Luis was innocent, with tonight's statement.
So yes lads I have went 360, not on racism, but with Luis. Now he has my 100% support.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
20 Dec 2011 21:25:03
LOLOLOLOLOL
someone on the man utd banter page is saying the whole thing is fixed because the match of his return is the game against united. exactly right mate! we planned for him to have a terrible case and a harsh ban against an innocent man. idiots.
JSR-YNWA-JFT96
20 Dec 2011 21:24:16
J. Terry gets accused of racism and FA just lets it go. Suarez accused, 8 game ban. If you ask me, the FA is racist.
20 Dec 2011 21:24:16
The FA aka AF aka Alex Ferguson
YNWA Suarez
Elliot
20 Dec 2011 21:23:29
Can I ask everyone a question if we do decide to challenge the decision luis can still play untill the new verdict. then if found guilty again and go to a European Appel can he still play whilst that case is being reviewed? If this is correct he could play for the next 2 months or so
James
But if the appeal is taken to a European appeal, the ban could be increased.
20 Dec 2011 21:22:25
Really disappointed about Saurez.
Considering he admitted to say an offensive remark but didn't understand the meaning in European culture youd think there would cut him some slack! Rooney got banned banned for swearing into camera .
And he probably get another 2 games for the finger at fulham and then another for appealing!
I love the fact the club have made such a strong statement but I am concerned that may have further reprocusions?
What do you think ed?
Reg {Ed001's Note - the club have to fight it, they have no choice. Though there is little chance the FA will even bother to listen.}
Ignorance is not an excuse for racism. Even though I think the ban is harsh, he should still be found guilty if he admitted to being racist. A 3 game ban would have sufficed though.
Be interesting to see what happens to Terry now.
Fight , Fight , Fight all the way . Take it as far as it can go and then take it further .
We stand alone in this game and must support each other .
1977
20 Dec 2011 21:21:30
devastated on the suarez incident, but on the bright side, watching Bolton thank god we got rid of Ngog!
20 Dec 2011 21:19:59
I think the F.A have set themselves a very dangerous president in charging Luis suarez with so little evidence.
What punishment are they now going to give John Terry the England captain who clearly on camera is seen making a racist comment.
I just hope they see sense after an appeal but even if suarez is cleared completely he will still be known as a racist.
I hope that this doesn't push Luis away from wanting to play in the premier league because it has become somewhat of a witch hunt.
20 Dec 2011 21:19:52
Here we go Sly sports already diggin the knife in "Suarez charged for racially abusing Evra",gotta appeal against this mistrial of justice what a joke,if its true what LFC have said in their statement about Evra making remarks to Suarez then why have the FA not acted on these comments in Evra's statement,typical The Manc FA get Rooney off with assaulting another player on the pitch while representing his country, yet no one heard these comments by Suarez & he gets an 8 game ban.
Up the reds
20 Dec 2011 21:18:39
It makes me laugh all the comments on here. Even the eds are coming up with rubbish like the decision is a disgrace! The FA have obviously seen some evidence yet u say theyv not, how do u actualy kno? It's funny how many of you pool fans said u didn't want him near ur club if found guilty. The simple fact is the guy used racist comments, u can't do that! Honestly if Suarez wasn't as good as he is he would b seen in the same bracket as el hadj diouf! He's a cheat, a racist and a rat! Look what he did against fulham and Ghana? Open ur eyes lads and accept he's in the wrong
Big Mac (kick racism out of football) {Ed001's Note - rubbish, perhaps you should find out more about the lad before making false accusations and lies. Even the FA and Evra said in their statements that he is not racist, but you, who has never even met him, think that you know better do you?}
There is a difference being a racist and saying something deemed to be racist in British society.
Fair enough the biting and handball doesn't help the lad.
I think the club should take this and say we should have trained/taught him the social etiquette of Britain.
Reg
Don't need to meet him really, his past actions show what kind of guy he is.
If it was just one action then he might be given some slack but as he has blatantly cheated the game and insulted not only players but a whole set of fans, he deserves to be banned (although 8 matches is harsh) {Ed001's Note - but he has been cleared of being racist, none of his past actions involve racism, so clearly you are talking rubbish.}
Actually Ed 001 did he admit saying something of a rascist comment or not? the bloke is now trying to hide behind language when its obvious what he said even to someone simple like myself, stop making excuses for him ,he did it he deserves punishment he also deserves to be booted from the club but you wont do that obviously ...to sum it up suck it up and stop whining
Pardoe {Ed001's Note - give it up, he admitted using the same word United players use as a nickname for Evra. Hardly a racist comment is it? Or are you saying that the United team are a bunch of racists?}
The F.A obviously have some evidence on him! Oh and I'm sorry but I didn't realise you was his best friend ed, how often have you met the guy? You can see the disgust on evras face at what suarez said, get over it, and judging from all these fans you must believe ur a 1 man club, people saying u won't get anywhere without him? I thought Liverpool wer bigger than that
Big Mac (kick racism out of football) {Ed001's Note - you have no idea what you are talking about, please take your lies elsewhere or at least take the time to find the truth before spouting nonsense. Evra has admitted using a racial slur to abuse Suarez, I don't see you having a go at him. So grow up child.}
20 Dec 2011 21:17:15
It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.
Just what is getting a 8 match ban for if this is true? Makes no sense to me!
ChinUp
20 Dec 2011 21:16:48
Absolutely gutted with the verdict. The FA have stitched us up big time. My main concern is not just the ban, but the effect on Suarez if the ban is upheld after appeal. Will Luis say enough's enough and look to play in Spain or Italy, as he would feel (quite rightly) victimised by the suits in the FA? I hope that he will be ok after this. I think he will be as LFC and the supporters are behind him 110%.
Well Fergie's done us proper this time, like a slap in the face with a wet kipper. Why can't the red faced pensioner do us all a favour and just RETIRE?!
20 Dec 2011 21:11:05
Hi example, firstly merry Christmas and seasons greetings to you all. Just been reading the statement regarding suarez on the lfc site. I have to say its all sounding a little bit suspect. Did the fa really find suarez guilty by only using evra's report as evidence ? There's always been rumours mufc have friends in high places. Am I being a bit paranoid, or does anyone else share my feelings ?
20 Dec 2011 21:10:44
well, gerrards almost back in the team, downing is much improving, as is pretty much all of our summer signings, bellamy is on fire. the silver lining is, this is the perfect opportunity for andy carroll to rise up and be the striker we all know he can be. let's also be thankful that at least four of the upcoming games are relatively easy ones. i feel sorry for suarez, but i know we can overcome it, because we are Liverpool FC.
JSR-YNWA-JFT96
20 Dec 2011 21:06:59
I have to say, it is pathetic that some of you are actually blaming Sir Alex for this!
Matthew...
Soon as fergie got the chance what doe he do ...."the boy was diving all over the place ".....very short memory red nose ...ummmm cristiano comes to mind ...hypocrite
20 Dec 2011 21:16:42
Typical fa, a black man accuses a player of racial abuse, no evidence, outcome is excessive punishment.
England captain must be looking at a years ban ! Fa, FIFA, referees just making it up as they go along, no consistency.
Suarez will probably leave in summer for Spain......I don't blame him !
Who wants to sign a now known "racist"? {Ed001's Note - Real Madrid would happily sign him.}
20 Dec 2011 21:16:26
Here's a funny thought for you all,
If Suarez is a mixed race person (which he is) and the FA think that what he said is a racist comment (which they do) they must also then think that a person of colour has been racist to another person of colour.
Rewflo
Classic!
A mixed race person CAN be racist to another person of colour, happens just as much as non mixed-race people. But that's besides the point, this whole thing is a joke, suspending a player for using a term he thought was acceptable, and is generally accepted around the world. Really hope the club appeal, by all accounts the report by the FA will do more to clear suarez than condemn him.
Rugby Parker
20 Dec 2011 21:15:10
hi ed, now suarez has been banned for 8 games do u think we will sign a striker and who do u think it could be?thanks {Ed001's Note - we would not sign someone to cover 8 games! We were likely to sign a striker anyway, nothing has changed.}
20 Dec 2011 21:12:29
Cannot wait for the papers to go after the FA when their findings are published. This kangaroo court will be brought to its knees. I cannot believe the FA accuse UEFA of being corrupt when they are just as bad.
The papers won't go after the FA. No one, including the papers, wants to be seen as racist in the PC days.
#ags 19
The papers in the morning will hammer suarez im afraid to say, unfortunately a jurno on talk cack was already doing so on the two sexists show between 10-1 saying liverpool will be in shame for backing a racist and thats hours before a non evident conviction. Wonder what would be said if Suarez said Evra hit him, but noone saw or any video evidence. Would they do him for assault?
20 Dec 2011 21:11:22
The disgusting thing is that no matter if Luis wins an appeal he is now tarnished as something that even Evra agrees he is not.
Seems to me that the FA have an agenda with regards to Liverpool and Suarez.. No evidence other than the word of one player and the honesty of the accused, had Suarez just shut his mouth and said no comment then there would be nothing the FA could have done..
I would imagine that LFC will appeal and will end up with a reduction of the ban to prolly 6 games.. Can we assume that with 14 days to appeal any ban would not take effect untill then.. meaning we wouldnt Lose Suarez untill Early Jan?
I think this now means we MUST buy an attacking player in January.. I also think this will galvanise an already growing spirit in to one of the best team spirits there is.. its them and us! LFC must stick together as the family it is.. ignore the person comments we will face and hold our heads up as one!
John Terry must be sh*tting it right now!
ItsNotRocketScience
Terry case will disapear I bet u . This a discrace
20 Dec 2011 21:10:37
Ed001.
You say LFC can choose when to accept the punishment.
Does this mean we can choose individual games for him to not take part in, or does he have to serve the whole 8 matches in one sitting?
Sorry, this may be a stupid question.
Thanks, James. {Ed003's Note - By the timing of the appeal I think Ed 001 means }
20 Dec 2011 21:09:25
Now I am normally a very mild mannered man but I don't think that I have ever been so livid in my life I am literally shaking with fury . I thought FIFA were corrupt until this stupid ,biased and completely Manc led rubbish verdict .
Im exactly the same mate im tamping .....
sheep the red
20 Dec 2011 21:06:53
It gets better and better. Suarez has a black grandfather and is of mixed race. The fa take evras word against Suarez obviously without finding this out.
When we successfully win the appeal, the fa and evra should be found guilty of absolute B@llo£&s.
We won't get a successful appeal
Some ones ancestory does not dictate if that person is a racist or has said something racist. My nan is welsh but (no offense) I don't like the welsh.
So. you don,t like the welsh, does this mean you are afraid to put your name on it? does this mean that you are also a racist? robbie
20 Dec 2011 21:05:18
Fight this LFC
20 Dec 2011 21:05:16
Many of you including Blair said earlier that if he was found guilty you would like him to be thrown out of the team but now all of a sudden this is a big conspiracy. So are you still sticking with the earlier statement?
And as for Suarez his ban will be definitely reduced once appeal is made.
20 Dec 2011 21:04:52
Seems like Manc U really can"do what they want",in comparison!
20 Dec 2011 21:03:35
Show some support for our lad Rewflo!
He was not only Naive but also oblivious that the term Negrito was offensive in England, otherwise he would NOT have said it!
You have to realize and understand that there is a huge cultural difference, which the FA (Funny @sshooles) are obviously overlooking.
Did he deserve a ban? I'm not sure. Maybe 2 or 3 at best because of cultural ignorance, but 8? Well that is absolutely OUT-EFFIN-RAGEOUS, not to mention a 40k fine on top of it! I'm devastated.
Ah well, here's hoping the morons will at least show some consistency when the time comes. Look out John Terry.
I'll be even more livid if JT gets a more lenient punishment, especially since he's English and KNEW what he was shouting was going to cause offence!
The FA are a disgrace!
An extremely disappointed and upset - Chipkin9 (EIRE)
John Terry will be let off with a slap on the wrist - mark my words
When sky sports were showing those 2 cases, terry's mouth was blurred. i didn't see the same for suarez.........
Because Terry swore c***
20 Dec 2011 21:03:34
typical stupid fa who support man utd. no evidence and yet they charge suarez. evra is a cheat and should never play football, simple as that. rooney gets away with it and also john terry. what a joke. i hope we appeal because evra was abusive as well. we need to get two world class strikers and not get these british flops. also kuyt or maxi is not going to score goals. we need huntaler from schalke and tevez or kaka.
John Terry will get off lightly because the FA want him to play in the Euro Championship
20 Dec 2011 21:03:02
F A or A F same thing really, both fall down on the Man Utd side of things.
20 Dec 2011 21:02:55
Could Liverpool take the FA to another court? Given the apparent lack of evidence and as it appears that it's one player's word against another an 8 game ban seems completely disproportionate. As Liverpool have said that it appears that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November, this goes against all concepts of British justice.
Absolutely lpool need to take this to a higher court its a must.
20 Dec 2011 21:02:15
Blow these bias c ts outve water Reds with a Jan sensation buy.Know not the answer,but F.A do appear to conspire against us.Not only would it help and improve us,which is foremost.But would p ss them all off.-Sky who are loving it,Manc U and the rest!
20 Dec 2011 20:59:59
When we signed Suarez i knew he would bring shame on our club, What do expect from a person that bites another player during a game? Now that he has been found guilty of making racist remarks i want him out o our club, No need or racisim in this day and age, He's suppost to be a role model to millions o people around the world, Get him out of our club, Im expecting a backlash from this post but those who stick up for a racist are no better themselves, We're better than that, I dont want to see him in our colours again, pbabb {Ed001's Note - erm, no one is sticking up for a racist, both Evra himself and the FA explicitly said that they do not think Suarez is racist. So you are accusing him of something he clearly has not been found guilty of.}
Your obviously not a fan of 'our' club because if you was you would have read the club statement properly and you would trust wharf the club are saying Liverpool fc would not risk there reputation to defend a racist so obviously they don't believe he is.
Who ever sent in this post is clearly stupid or just looking to cause trouble.....read the statement from the club idiot, even evra confirms he doesn't believe Luis to be a racist!!.......I always thought to be found guilty you had to be guilty, clearly not in this case, yes Luis was stupid to use the term he did, but did he mean it in a racist way, clearly not. The muppets at the FA have now created a rule that will haunt them for years to come, as anyone can now say he was called names, sexual, race, lets be honest here even reference to place of birth or parentage and there is f@@k all they can do but to prosecute!! - Tmac
Quiz question of the night:-Which team that does not play its home games at Anfield does this clown support?
Derek
20 Dec 2011 21:02:08
Ed, have we appealed? {Ed 003's Note - "We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation. "............. that's from the clubs statement
20 Dec 2011 21:01:02
Wonder if the news of the Saurez ban will provoke a reaction fom the players in game tomorrow, can see them wanting to prove a point, watch out Wigan. can see appeal being lodged immediately, the FA will halve the ban and suspended the remainder for 18 months...I've just saved the FA another 4 weeks of work !!
20 Dec 2011 21:00:41
if he is guilty of abusing someone over their colour...I'd say he got off lightly with an 8 game ban.
mick
(gooner)
@mick the gooner - if there's no proof how can you be found guilty - it's like saying I've had my car stolen and I blame you mick and you being found guilty of it - how would you feel?
Its a high tempure match and he may angry and say a word. but 1 word cant make u racist. as evra admit himself that he do say something to suarez in spanish .
Mick ( gooner ) Just as well you put " IF " Read the report before you come on here spouting off pal and then you'll be amazed by the evidence the FA themselves on the case, Think before you talk next tiime
@mick, can a half cast man with a black grandfather be racist to a black man?
No, but you calling someone 'halfcast' can be racist....seriously, you Scousers!
Haha,halfjoking. Im on the fence, a United fan, but dont make judgements on whats considered racist when you yourself are clueless on that matter mate!
RED_SKY
RED_SKY at night talks his uaual shi''
20 Dec 2011 20:58:28
F in bouncing.Rooney rakes a lad,gets ban reduction.Spitting on an opponent gets lesser ban.(Vilest thing you can do)Endve day its one mans word,no comprehensive evidence either way.Then interpretation issue.Bet if against any other club-??!Aint gona inhance the slightly improved relations between the clubs.Wheres the evidence?Can we prove"his"team mates call him the same?What proof do they have?Cantona jumped into a crowd ffs!LFC cannot and should not take this.Even if means further ban.Can we get UEFA involved?or if as Leauge game here,does it fall under our poxy F.As durexdiction?Cos loads of anti Lfc examples over years.Even if is guilty-8 f in games?!Ok Terry MUST get restve season then,cos no doubts he what he did do and say.England Captain also!IF and is IF Suarez is guilty,and that aint beyond"reasonable doubt",then 4 games surely more apt.Livid
20 Dec 2011 20:55:44
Eds With the news about suarez comming through which do you think will be the most likeliest course of action ? A) Carroll becoming our lone striker b) kenny giving some of youth/reserve players a chance to partner Carroll c) we buy a back up/ third choice striker early in January who will play a more prominent role in suarez's absence or d) two from kuyt, Bellamy and Carroll will become our new strike partnership for the next eight games {Ed003's Note - c or d for me }
We buy a top class striker that can take the place and play with Suarez why not?
20 Dec 2011 20:59:07
Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.
We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.
We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.
LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.
Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.
He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.
It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.
It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.
We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.
Statement is not entirely correct. They don't need evidence if Suarez admitted to saying the word in question. Guess Suarez should have lied, as they had no evidence. He is honest and gets nailed. Actually sad.
Chuck Norris
20 Dec 2011 20:55:54
ok luis 8 game ban with no proof only the word from luis and evra, so what would terry get ?? with tv proof?
rooney got 3 match ban for lets face it attacking a player, fa stand up for him and now 2 game ban ? double standers !
shaun
Attacking a player is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it? To be fair it's not the length of the ban that is the issue mate, it's whether or not he is guilty. Anyone who racially abuses someone should get at least an eight game ban.
Disney!
Basically The F.A appealed over a act of violence are they saying Violence is acceptable?
Welsh Red
20 Dec 2011 20:55:53
The chair of this three man committee was hired by the FA simply to hand Suarez a sentence, regardless of the evidence suggesting he is innoocent. This is commonn knowledge amongst those involved in the club. The owners, the manager and the rest of the club are furious with the decision and have stated their evidence, of which Evra has none. Dalglish himself fought passionately for Suarez in front of the panel. Should the appeal fail, which it almost certainly will, we will take our case to a European panel, which will surely be less bias. Evra himself has admitted to insulting Suarez in Spanish yet no action has been taken, he even stated that he doesn't believe that Suarez is racist. Suarez has captained black players and actually has black family members. Do not worry, Luis Suarez will be found innocent eventually, it is just a disgrace that we have such a bias and corrupt FA. Hopefully this whole scenario will reveal the FA for what it really is, that is when he is found innocent.
Please read the club's statement, it is a brilliant response to these awful allegations.
Suarez, YNWA
European panel?
Could get blather in for the defence, him being soft with this kind of thing
The statement is class
There not allegations any more...
#ags 19
Ed, is what the OP saying true? Could we take it to Euro court for appeal? {Ed001's Note - it is hard to say, it is certainly not complete out of the question.}
20 Dec 2011 20:55:19
Back in time for city semi finall....
20 Dec 2011 20:54:52
Since only Evra heard the offending words
Suarez could not have been found guilty if he had
denied the charge. But he used the defence that
it is normal back home etc etc They obviously
decided that that was not a good enough excuse
BUT BUT he could have denied it and 'got off'
so are we to assume that an 8 game ban includes
a reduction for him 'owning up'?
Puzzled
Do we want liars? How was he supposed to know that he shouldn't use defence, you protect yourself, using any defence that you have and luis did
I did say that I think Suarez dropped himself in it a month ago. He shouldn't have admitted to saying anything.
Disney!
20 Dec 2011 20:54:34
What's happening to saurez is a load of b****cks .
But on the bright side he has looked a little jaded lately , so maybe this is the break he needed.
The F.A have set there self up now to penalize terry more than this.
LAVERS
****** hell if this is anything to go by, John Terry will get 6 months in prison......but no he will get away with it.
Sooty
20 Dec 2011 20:54:20
So, with Suarez 8 game ban, does this mean we'll be bringing in another striker for sure? Assuming we fail in the appeal.
20 Dec 2011 20:53:01
Hey Ed's just a quick question. I was reading the official statement on Suarez by the F.A and it says the penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires. Does this mean Suarez can take part in the Wigan game etc? Or am I asking a stupid question haha, thanks guys, Daniel {Ed001's Note - yes he can play, unless we choose to accept the punishment and inform the FA.}
FA stands for fergies ARSE'''''S. Its a joke of a decision and i for one hope evra comes unstuck at some point after this the big CRY BABY.
Thanks for clearing that one up Ed. I don't know if anyone has seen the comments made by Kalou on his twitter, surely he should be reprimanded for them? Daniel {Ed001's Note - what has been said?}
20 Dec 2011 20:50:50
If the charge was so severe and the guilt
established how the hell could it have taken this long?? I can only think they have given 8 games
to send out the right message - would think it will
be halved on appeal.
John Terry must be out for at least the rest of the
season when you see how open and shut his case
is
Puzzled
20 Dec 2011 20:50:24
Great statement from the club on the official site..
It is worth the read..
Cheers
Macca
Wouldn't be surprised if we got charged for how openly we describe the fa and their actions
Bean
Please read.
This situation is a disgrace. Liverpool will not accept anything but an apology from the FA and a complete pardon. I am glad that Liverpool FC have been immediately open about this farce.
It is a good read, I never get a chance to say it Macca but your ledge well done for all your info
Square tomato
I for one am really impressed with the ckub's reaction and response to the farcical decision. I hope ALL us reds get behind Luis and show him we also support him in the same manner and that regardless of those d@@ks at the FA we do appreciate him and we will support him! - Tmac
20 Dec 2011 20:50:10
just heard news on suarez 8 game ban totally gutted all hopes of champions league gone just fed up bet jt of chelsea gets away with 2 match ban helps out the blues for 3 or 4th spot we have to buy another striker now or caroll has to step up quickly please post ed we need to talk about this
20 Dec 2011 20:49:53
gutted about suarez! typical FA. time for our big number 9 too start producing.
20 Dec 2011 20:49:46
so, with suarez's ban, how do you think it'll change our dealings in jan?
20 Dec 2011 20:49:06
this is liverpool fc official statement:
"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken."
this is aboslultey spot on
20 Dec 2011 20:49:03
Has anyone noticed how they waited to today to give the verdict meaning his time to appeal on the 4th meaning he can face city then his last game of the ban is against man utd. Could they help man utd more
Gaz
20 Dec 2011 20:49:02
During the last 4-5 weeks the F.A have really given themselves major problems. If players wanted to they could turn this particular rule into a farce. Everytime someones colour or origins is questioned will players go crying like that scumbag evra.
Im totally gutted The F.A are delighted they have a scapegoat nd that they can show the world how great their campaign against racism is when they overlook other issues its a sham.
We are in big rouble without suarez, time now for carrol to move his lazy ass and start repaying the fans and managers faith.
DCG
Repaying the fans faith? Are you being serious? Most fans come on here whinge and moan about how useless or lazy as you put it he is. He honestly doesn't owe most lfc fans anything, I am completely confident however that he will repay Dalglish's faith in him and I will always support and believe in him. I hope that the other half of the lfc fans that berate him will now get behind him as well.
KiwiRed
Woah really? you call evra a scumbag after being racially abused get a grip. the fa arent going to charge suarez without sufficient evidence or he wouldnt have got what he deserved.
geordie {Ed001's Note - are you talking about the same FA?}
I hope that every player who is racially abused goes "crying" to the FA. I hope you're not saying that we should just turn a blind eye to racism? Because your post could easily be misconstrued..
#ags 19
He wasnt racially abused, Geordie - Evra admitted that himself
To #ags 19
you are so much exited to see suarez getting this ban!
it clearly shows tht u believed suarez would have f****d mancs all by himself, but dont get too hyper because everyone in our squad is capable of doing that!
fans like u make your club look stupid
hims_red
20 Dec 2011 20:48:14
Liverpool's defensive record is no surprise for Kenny Dalglish.
www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/19/liverpool-defensive-record-kenny-dalglish
that's the link - forgot.
BJH YNWA.
20 Dec 2011 20:48:03
questions????
what did evra say to luis?
who was on the panel that made this decision?
fecking joke!!!
allred
20 Dec 2011 20:47:48
Luis's ban is a disgrace,and I have just heard the statement read out on Sky,and if LFC do NOT appeal this ban in the strongest of terms then I'm afraid our club would not only let themselves down but also the fans.Looking forward to seeing what happens to JT,probably a fine and a promise he will be England captain at the Euro's.
Alan50
20 Dec 2011 20:47:46
Hi Ed's having just read the statement on the LFC.tv website, I do not think the FA will get away with that, so much truth, so many unanswered questions, such a stupid and rash decision. Cannot see this going away without a war!!
LG.
20 Dec 2011 20:46:54
The people at the F.A have shown the football world once again that they favour Man U over every other team.
Having said that though, what's happening with John Terry's racial case? So far, not even a slap on the wrist.
If Suarez gets an 8 match ban with no proof, then Terry should get about what?... a two year ban? It will be very interesting to see what happens there.
The Crow
20 Dec 2011 20:46:41
Ed(s) and fellow Reds - take a read of this if you get a minute. Good blog from Tim Vickery
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16262537.stm
The Goatherder
JFT96
20 Dec 2011 20:46:25
Time for the LFC players to step up and show Luis Suarez how respected he is at LFC and , make a difference in his absence by extracting as many points as possible whilst improving their performance level .
I say let's use this as motivation to challenge for the Premier League Title - Starting Now !
1977
You couldn't challenge for the league with Suarez, you haven't got a cat in hells chance without him.
On a serious note 8 matches seems really harsh, what he said was stupid, but he is no racist.
If the fa have any balls Terry will never play for England again.
I miss the old rivalry with Liverpool and I really can't see you being challengers any time soon boys.
RomanRunner
Outsiders have no idea what LFC is capable of , the rest of the season is there for the taking .
No problem by the way .
1977
20 Dec 2011 20:46:06
Dear Eds I am totally gutted this evening and I dont believe for a minute Suarez is a racist, if he is guilty surely Terry should be banned for the rest of the season, anyway dont ridicule me but can writing to the FA help, I find it unreal that a man who cannot speak english can be banned for racism, the only good thing is we have 3 cup games and Suarez can return for Man city away at end of January 2012, luckily we now have a squad to cope and maybe the chance Andy C needs !!! {Ed001's Note - I doubt it will make any difference writing to them, sorry.}
Thank you anyway !
20 Dec 2011 20:45:42
So let me get this right the FA think that it's fair and right and are prepared to stand by a shrek looking granny shagger who publicly urinates in the street to go around deliberately kicking someone on the field of play and beg for his innocence to get his 3 game ban reduced and yet they condone what Suarez has done and give him a 8 game ban, SERIOUS DOUBLE STANDARDS!! A JOKE!!
The Grand wizard...
20 Dec 2011 20:45:12
Does that 8 game ban include the incident at fulham?
GuvTOB
That'll be another 4 games!
Rooney got 2 for the cursing incident, so it's easy to work out.
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
20 Dec 2011 20:44:13
We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.
JRG
20 Dec 2011 20:43:46
I am sure every Ghanian is really pleased given he did kinda rob them of 1/4 final in the WC. Karma its the FA.
Still harsh.
I am a ghanaian Liverpool fan. What Suarez did at the World Cup was bad but it was the rules of the game which annoyed me not him. 8 game ban for using a word which in his culture is acceptable and when he hasn't even lived in this country for a year is unbelievably harsh.
What if Rooney was on the line in the quaters for us? What would you want him to do? He sacrificed his own place in the semis for his team and country, thats selfless and dedicated.
20 Dec 2011 20:43:39
The LFC statement to this farce is class there is no doubt we will be fighting this all the way take this to the highest court its ridiculous the FA are a complete and utter joke!
20 Dec 2011 20:43:00
I want Lfc to take this all the way if necessary
The fa have (F)mucked up here
Im absolutely fuming GRRRRRRRR
20 Dec 2011 20:40:56
I would like to think Suarez said what he said to wind up evra and put him off his game rather than actually being a racist.
But as I posted yesterday he's hardly still jetlagged from moving from south America he's been in europe for years, he must of known it's out of order to use that word.
I know he is our player but I cannot defend a racist or someone who uses racist words.
8 matches is in no way harsh for that kind of behaviour.
When the FA come to charge Terry he should receive at least 8 matches himself.
MIKEY {Ed001's Note - don't talk soft, it is in common usage amongst Spanish speakers, even Evra's own team mates call him it. How is he supposed to know it's out of order?}
He knows it's out of order the first time he uses it and is told as much. Suarez has been in Europe for years.
MIKEY {Ed001's Note - but it is not out of order, he has never been told it is out of order, it is a commonly used word.}
20 Dec 2011 20:40:05
Now with this latest news, let's all get behind Big Andy and hope he can start to score some goals!
Y.N.W.A.
We can't rely on andy at all. As we know he has a less than prolific record and is are only real striker. We must sign a striker in january or its season over simple as.
Danny
Oh gosh something iv been dreading watching us struggle with andy carroll.RedTurk
20 Dec 2011 20:39:17
Read the Liverpool article in the website??
Evra used derogatory language to Suarez during the same game, yet nothing has happened
FreeSUAREZ
That same derogatory language that Suarez didn't even hear?
#ags 19
Yes , that same language , by Evra's own admission - proof positive of his own law breaking - you person .
1977
20 Dec 2011 20:38:53
2034: Liverpool have released a statement in the light of Luis Suarez's eight-game ban. They are not happy. It says: "We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
JRG
20 Dec 2011 20:38:42
I just read the statement on lfc website regarding saurez ban it said he has been found guilty on only evras say so surely that cant be right a man cant be found guilty when its one mans word against the others there must be more to it than that that would never stand up in a court of law but if there was more surely the lfc website wouldn't report it as that im shocked and astounded at the verdict and the length of the ban especially if what the lfc site said is true. Giblet
That's what Liverpool say, so it's bound to favour your team. Wait until the papers are released, then we will all know how they came to their decision.
#ags 19
Yer because we all know the press tells at as it is you clown
20 Dec 2011 20:37:53
Could Suarez miss even more games on top cos of the fulham thing or is the severity of the ban taking this into account?
JD
20 Dec 2011 20:36:51
Im so gutted.....well logic would suggest that two strikers will arrive in January I would have thought
Square tomato
20 Dec 2011 20:36:49
LFC To Go
Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.
We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.
We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.
LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.
Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.
He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.
It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.
It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.
We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.
{Ed001's Note -
20 Dec 2011 20:34:57
What are your views on the 8 game ban eds? Hard done by? Singled out? Cuz I ain't happy bout it an alot/ALL the reds on here aint happy bout it
The swan {Ed001's Note - ridiculous decision. The FA and Evra have both said that Suarez is not racist, so I am struggling to understand what the punishment is for.}
You don't have to be racist to make a racist comment Ed... That's what he's been punished for. If you do something wrong, it doesn't make you an inherently bad person, just means you made a mistake. The same goes for Suarez.
#ags 19
Ed001, you do not have to be racist to make racist comments mate, I have done it and I am no racist. Will Suarez miss the City game? Wouldn't mind him playing in that game ;)
Disney! {Ed001's Note - don't talk soft, you know the word used is not racist.}
No one knows the exact word he used Ed, you are just taking Suarez' word for that. Why is Suarez' word better than Evra's? If he had said another word started with neg, and you were worried about getting caught by witnesses or microphones, wouldn't your defence be admitting to using the word Negrito?
Ed, I have already said that I do not believe he is racist, I still don't think he is racist.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - but it was always known that there were no witnesses or microphones that captured the event. So your point is nonsense. He admitted what he said because it was what he said and he didn't see the problem with it.}
20 Dec 2011 20:34:16
Now that Suarez has been banned for 8 games is there going to be someone that we are going to buy to replace him and who would you like to replace Ed? Thank you x {Ed001's Note - Higuain I would like.}
Di Santo of Wigan.
Maybe a loan for higuain
20 Dec 2011 20:33:45
so, what will the outcome of the Fulham match be... another three match ban, you watch!
It's his own fault mate !
The Real KB
20 Dec 2011 20:31:40
ed, please reply
i dont get it, wat solid proof could fa have that proofs he definetly was racist {Ed001's Note - they don't, they have Suarez and Evra's statements only, not even the word of any match officials or Evra's teammates, even though all of them were close by.}
Other than the LFC statement, Ed, how do you know there was no evidence? We should all wait for the FA to release the official papers before jumping to conclusions.
#ags 19 {Ed001's Note - because the FA would have had to inform the defending party, ie Suarez and Liverpool, of the evidence presented against him.}
But Ed how do you know Liverpool are not lying here? They could come out saying there is zero evidence when in-fact there is, they know the FA will not comment on it. So there could be evidence, but Liverpool know that the FA will not publicly release the evidence.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - The FA have to release the details of the case, so Liverpool will need to be honest or be caught out. Did you not read the FA statement?}
Will the evidence be released to the public? Or just given to Liverpool? I have never heard of evidence being released to the public, but will look forward to seeing it and if it is just Evra's word against Suarez', then that is harsh.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - the FA say they are releasing the findings in their statement.}
Then perhaps everyone should wait until then? I cannot see the investigation lasting this long on just Evra's word. If he has then I agree it is very harsh. But no one knows what is going on yet. Liverpool are saying he was found guilty by Evra's word and people are saying he is a victim of cultural languages differences, so which is it?
Disney! {Ed001's Note - how do you know it is not a mix of the two? Saying negrito which is misheard as another N word, the FA then deciding the misheard word was the correct one, that would be a mix would it not?}
But are you 100% sure that there is no evidence? I guess we should wait and see what the FA put in their statement Ed.
Disney! {Ed001's Note - there was, I am told, no new evidence presented at the hearing. Which would leave it as Evra's word against Suarez's. The forthcoming statement will certainly be interesting.}
20 Dec 2011 20:31:18
Ed i fear the 8 game ban could cost us a champions league spot. We now need Stevie g fit as soon as possible (thankfully he is back in training) and for carrol to step up to the plate. Its a good job that we signed Bellamy. Reality Red
This should be our line-up without suarez:
------------------Reina-------------------
---------Agger-----------Skrtel-----------
--Johnson---------------------Enrique-----
-------Henderson-----------Adam---------
----------------Gerrard-------------------
--Maxi--------------------------Bellamy---
----------------Kuyt----------------------
20 Dec 2011 20:29:23
hi all,
goes without saying no doubt we are all gutted, what do we do next (a) do we accept it and get on with it or (b) appeal and see what happens. my opinion is (bearing in mind the fa are like sepp blatter i.e they seem to be able to do what they want.) we get on with it, the vast majority of the eight games look like they can be won without luis and he will be fresh when he gets back. discuss?
allred
They HAVE to appeal otherwise it would be like admitting guilt.
"Questions were raised by Liverpool manager Rafael BenÃtez about a potential conflict of interest between Gill's roles with Manchester United and the FA. However, Gill dismissed the Spaniard's concerns, saying that he had been elected by the other Premier League chief executives," (from wiki)
redkenyan
20 Dec 2011 20:29:06
Hi Ed Do u think Liverpool might through the book at Luis also??
REDNOSE
{Ed001's Note - for what? The whole thing is a farce, both Evra and the FA have said that Suarez is not racist, so what is he being punished for if not racism? If it was foul and abusive language, that doesn't carry an 8 game penalty and Evra has admitted using foul and abusive language to Suarez.}
Ed, as I scroll down the page your mind appears narrower and narrower. I think we'd all agree that Suarez isn't racist, but you don't have to be a racist to make a racist remark. Also, I don't think 'foul and abusive language' you speak of, that the alleged victim didn't even hear, will hold up in court.
#ags 19 {Ed001's Note - except that Evra is the one admitting foul and abusive language, so it would easily stand up! So don't try and twist because you are quite simply wrong. The word negrito is not racist, this whole thing is a joke. The only people that can't see it are narrow minded United fans who are loving it.}
Ed, so the FA ignored Evra's written statement that he doesn't think Luis is a racist; is the FA also going to ignore Evra's statement that he made abusive remarks to Luis as well? When is the FA going to charge Evra? I think we all know that answer, as it's almost already been two months. Unreal!
-Red Socks
Just as bitter as all the other Pool fans eh, Ed? First off, calling someone the 'little black one' isn't a term of endearment is it? And to call us narrow minded is slightly ironic, given that Liverpool fans spend most of their days walking up and down the narrow corridors of the 80's.
#ags 19 {Ed001's Note - give it up. His team mates call Evra that all the time, are you asking for them to be banned too? You are sad enough to be on here stirring up grief, so who is the bitter one?}
20 Dec 2011 20:32:40
Its really important that we really get behind suarez now and give him our support as the witch hunt as gone to far.
The fa are a complete joke. And the panel was made up of fergies mates. Surely we cant take this as a club.
Mighty reds
This decision is a disgrace and a complete embarrassment to the FA. No evidence was presented other than word against word. it seems the word of a proven liar is worth more to the Utd schmoozers than a mixed race Liverpool player. Absolutely sick to my stomach tonight.
Ulsterpool
Suarez to borrow Balotelli's "Why always me?" shirt.
Chuck Norris
"Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.
We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.
We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.
LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.
Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.
He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.
It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.
It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.
We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult."
Chuck Norris
20 Dec 2011 20:29:21
we fans should ask to see the proof given on this. mancs getting another 1 up on us. its a conspiracy
20 Dec 2011 20:28:20
Ok
Now that he has been found guilty of using a racist term towards a person of ethnic origin how many people still think that Suarez should still pull on the red of Liverpool?
I'd appreciate the eds comments here also.
Rewflo {Ed001's Note - I am sorry but he used a word commonly in use amongst Spanish speakers, if it is racist then why would Evra allow his team mates to call him it? It is a typical farce by the FA.}
Every Manchester Utd player should be up on the same charge if this is the case, the FA are an absolute joke if contrary to reports there was no tv footage and no witnesses. John Terry you must be bricking it...Dom
Personally I agree ed, having researched the word its a common term used in south america and also around south east asia and some parts of africa too.
Do we know for definite that Evras team mates have also used this term when speaking to Evra?
Rewflo {Ed001's Note - yes, Hernandez has even used it online to refer to people!}
Evra said in his statement that he did not believe Suarez was a racist. The club have issued a statement in full support of Luis so take your 'he should never wear the shirt again comments somewhere else'
Kris the Red
In answer to what you said ed about his team mates being allowed to call him the word. How many black people use a very common racist term (which I wont say for obvious reasons) to each other?
Racism is a tricky issue, the trickiest part being that only the offended person gets to decide who is allowed to use what words against them. To some they will say its ok, to others they will complain.
Rewflo {Ed001's Note - it is not that word that was used. It is a word commonly used amongst Spanish speakers with no offence taken or intended.}
Rewfko- do you thinkthat LFc would have put out such a strong and supportibe statement if they did not totally believe their case? Of course he deserves to play again.....what are you on !
Its a joke, FA are just like FIFA on which they complain about, a bunch of crooked auld hacks,
Ska-oop
Not being funny ed but it's alleged he used it at least 10 times. That's every 9 minutes. If he uses it that often everytime he comes across a black person someone would have told him he's being accidentally racist in the whole 3+ years he's been working in Europe. I worked in Madrid for 3 weeks and heard that word once or twice used by argentinians and they all knew you couldn't use it in England. You learn not to use it when you are being taught English by the teacher or tutor.
I just don't buy it.
I'm gutted as a Liverpool fan.
MIKEY
Really comfortable with Luis Suarez in a Liverpool shirt .
1977
20 Dec 2011 20:28:05
Gutted for Suarez, 8 game ban for calling Evra names..
The Grand wizard...
He described what evra is: a little black man. Can the word black not be mentioned anymore?
20 Dec 2011 20:26:48
If John Terry does not get more punishment than that then the FA are corrupt - simple as that!
Fa are corrupt whether or which.
20 Dec 2011 20:26:26
Now the FA have made an example of Suarez I wonder how consistent they will be with future offenders. Looks like another Man Utd and FA 1 the mighty reds 0
20 Dec 2011 20:26:13
I've just noticed somethig interesting. If the ban started straight away Luis would miss the following matches (assuming we have a mild winter and don't have any postponements):
Wigan away
Blackburn home
Newcastle home
City away
Oldham home (FA cup)
City away (Carling cup)
Stoke home
Bolton away
The ban is suspended pending an appeal which has to be lodged within 14 days - if there is an appeal it won't be heard immediately so let's assume the appeal is upheld and his ban starts in 21 days time (allows a week for the appeal). He will miss:
City away (Carling cup)
Stoke home
Bolton away
City home (Carling cup)
Wolves away
Spurs home
Man U away
Everton home
I other words the Man U and Spud loving people at the FA have conveniently managed to time his ban length, date and appeal so that he can play against City in the league but not against Man U or Spurs. Looking at the games he'd miss in the two scenarios I think he/Kenny/LFC should accept the ban immediately and miss the first set of games - that way we would have a rested Luis for Man U, Spurs and Everton. We'd also have him back for the home leg of the Carling cup - if we could engineer a draw v Oldham he'd also be back for the Bolton league match.
Bob
These were also my immediate thoughts Bob, accept the punishment now so he available and fresh for the difficult fixtures against united/everton and spurs.
The way this fa works, I dont think an appeal can achieve anything.
Roy
What a ridiculous theory.
This is why they took so long to bring Saurez in...........absolute joke. KernowRED
20 Dec 2011 20:26:04
F.A obviously stands for exactly what those buffoons at the Football Association know.
What a bunch of clowns if a man is guilty of insulting another how the hell does it take so long to decide that he said it.
Murder trials have taken less time than it has taken these fools to come to a decision.
Derek
20 Dec 2011 20:25:24
eds so if suarez waits 14 days before deciding on an appeal can he play in this time?
i mean can we drag it out untill we hopefully have a deal near done for another striker and do you think this will boost interest in players like soldado and podolski? {Ed001's Note - yes, and the interest was there anyway, I doubt it will affect the plans as we intended to sign a striker anyway I was told.}
20 Dec 2011 20:25:12
awful news
hey eds...any idea when he can actually play {Ed001's Note - the punishment is suspended pending an appeal, until we decide on whether to appeal or not we won't know.}
20 Dec 2011 20:24:34
Hi eds,
Will Liverpool appeal the ban handed to Suarez?
Thanks.
Rewflo {Ed003's Note - I cant see Suarez just accepting this }
I find it diffcult to see how they will appeal something that he has admitted to though. The only question before the verdict was whether or not the FA felt it was a breach of premier league rules, which obviously they did. I'm dissappointed but let this be a harsh lesson for Luis (if the biting incident wasnt already) to change his behaviour.
Rewflo
20 Dec 2011 20:23:46
Lads can anybody remember the words to the Everton Tesco song (do you know your groceries)? I cannot find them on google and it has been a while since I heard it.
Thanks
Scouse Pride
20 Dec 2011 20:23:03
Really bad news about Suarez.
Cant help feeling like something like this was always likely with him.
I think he's great but can't help feeling let down by him as the likelihood is that this will cost us points whilst he's unavailable!
Ynwa
How can you feel let down by him didn't do anything wrong he has been let down by fa alex fergusons personal possee
20 Dec 2011 20:22:19
Suarez has been fined 40k and given AN 8 MATCH BAN!
Words fail me.
ANFIELDPETE
20 Dec 2011 20:22:01
macca do u no if we will appeal an try to get it reduced down
belfast red adam
20 Dec 2011 20:20:22
Just heard surez and his 8 match ban how s..t is this we defo need a decent striker who can bang in the goals but Carroll needs to step up to the plate and shows and prove us were all wrong and worth the 35mill we paid for him!
Is there ne way we can get this ban reduced as Rooney got his reduced for a deffinate red
IN KENNY WE TRUST!!!
Adzybayour x
Also being reduced is wayne rooneys hairline
20 Dec 2011 20:19:54
What a joke it's all bloody politics where is terry s ban then
James
The police are still investigating the Terry incident, although after tonights announcement I would expect a similar ban. There would be uproar if Terry escaped a ban.
TK-Red
Terry's ban will definitely happen mate, it will give the FA a chance to rest him for the Euros ;)
Disney!
20 Dec 2011 20:19:48
saurez story true sky sports news 8 match ban and 40,000 pound fine .looks like terry will get lifetime ban then NOT
psv
20 Dec 2011 20:19:45
didn't Dalglish say yesterday they wouldn't appeal which i find strange? if he's openly been racist then fair enough, but calling someone a name his own team mates do...how does that work? same people who fought for rooney booting someone up the arse, saying it wasn't violent conduct.....who was on the panel? thats right....one of fergie's best mates! and he's allowed to bloody appeal how many tickets city are giving them...the same club who have special discompensation from the FA (the only club in the country) to only give away teams 11% of tickets, 91 other clubs have to give away 15%....the FA are a disgrace!
rio missed a drugs test, innocent or not, it's written into FIFA law that its an immediate 2 year ban, what did the FA do....go against the world governing body, who was he playing for at the time...united!
You're right...United were also to blame for Russia getting the 2018 world cup, the typhoon in the philipines and world hunger. Good grief.
TK-Red
20 Dec 2011 20:19:16
Evening eds,
Sorry if you have already been asked this, I have only just got back from a 12 hour shift. But now that we know Suarez has been banned for 8 games, will this increase our chances in signing an already proven striker eg Soldado or Podolski, than a young one eg De Jong?
Thanks
(C)(L) {Ed001's Note - I doubt it will make any difference to be honest.}
20 Dec 2011 20:18:32
-----------------Team vs Wigan:------------------
---Johnson------Skrtel----------Agger------Enrique
----------------Henderson-----Adam---------------
---Downing-------------Shelvey------------Bellamy
----------------------Kuyt------------------------
Subs: Doni, Kelly, Coates, Carragher, Maxi, Suarez, Carroll.
I would leave Luis on the bench because of his 8 match ban. I would do this for the simple fact that we are going to have to prepare without him now for a large period of time and this would be a good game to try this out.
No we need 3 points. Much better chance with Suarez in the team. Why turn an 8 match can into a 9 match one. WIgan showed against Chelsea their in pretty good form.
Jonson.
20 Dec 2011 20:17:36
8 games?? Wayne Rooney got a 3 match ban for swearing into a camera!
Racism is a lot worse than swearing mate.
MIKEY {Ed001's Note - but the FA and Evra have said Suarez is not racist, so he can't be being punished for racism.}
20 Dec 2011 20:16:39
ed will gerrard be back for blackburn? thanks
red fanatic {Ed001's Note - I doubt he will be risked for a while yet.}
In the squad for boxing day..
Cheers
Macca
20 Dec 2011 20:16:09
Given that he Suarez does actually have a defence in that he grew up using the word negrito without causing any offence, and that in his culture it is a totally acceptable word, AND that Evra's team mates have also used that word- what sort of ban will John Terry get, who screamed the n word right in front of the cameras, and has absolutely no defence whatsoever?
I'm sorry, but I still cannot think of Suarez as a racist, no matter what that three-man panel say. I think he has been unfairly and harshly treated.
Its not the fact that he has a match ban that is the worse its the fact that they have branded him a racist without any evidence whatsoever
Here , here , watch the clip of him visiting the hospital. Scape goat.
How many of the three people on the pannel were black ? how many are connected to man united or support them ? has suarez been made a scape goat for John Terry ? What is suarez going to get on top of the 8 game ban for the finger gesture at the fulham game ? If suarez gets a 8 game ban for here say what is terry going to get for video eveidence ?
20 Dec 2011 20:15:13
Gutted and disgusted.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
That was fergies plan mate. And he has achieved his goal.
Danny
I completely agree Blair, I'm gutted that our best player is banned for 8 games but disgusted that he would behave in such a way. I don't know what was said or if it's even true but he's been found guilty so we can only presume he was giving racist abuse. I just hope the FA are consistent and give the same punishment to Terry, albeit it is a different case, but if he is also found to be guilty, the same charge should apply.
Fear not reds, we have a healthily competitive squad and I'm waiting for Andy Carroll to step up to the plate. Come on big man, prove your doubters wrong with a run of games.
YNWA
Chris
Want him sacked Blair ?
The Real KB
They are the perfect words to discribe this situation blair theres nothing else to say!
Big Red John
I've just read the official statement on the LFC website. The club seem pretty furious at the outcome and the message doesn't just seem to be the generic "we'll stand by our player, because he's our player". It seems that they genuinely believe he doesn't deserve the punishment, its an intriguing one. I honestly don't know how a team of 3 people can judge if a man is racist or not, especially if he used a word that is common in his culture.
Thanks
Chris
I've already said what I think should happen to him KB mate. Depends on what he actually said and in what context. All i'm thinking about now mate, is our game tomorrow night. Last time I spoke about if he was found guilty, it created such a stink. Just want to concentrate on our up coming games, and give the boys my 100% support.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Blair,you said that if Luis is found guilty of the charges you didn't want him to play for us again. Now you change your tune and it's down to context now is it...full of crap my friend.
J.C
20 Dec 2011 20:11:10
Hi Ed's, is it safe to assume we should sign a striker in Jan, now that Suarez has such a huge ban, such as Luuk De Jong, Lucas Podolski or Roberto Saldado, to name a few?
Cheers,
LG.
{Ed001's Note - we were likely to sign one anyway.}
20 Dec 2011 20:10:57
Ed if Suarez gets suspended for his 'racist' comments, do you think Kenny will want to bring a short term replacement in? If so any idea whom it may be? {Ed001's Note - give us a chance lad!}
20 Dec 2011 20:10:45
8 game ban! Will we know how the fa reached their decision & what evidence? {Ed001's Note - well, they have to explain their decision.}
20 Dec 2011 20:06:43
Suarez 8 games that's throwing the book at him so expect the same for Terry. Only positive is that there's none.
Will be a different story for him mate...you wait and see, bloody jokers, hypocrites !!
Is JT on an fa charge?or was it convenient that a "member of the public" reported the england skipper?
suarez charged for the salute at fulham
gary neville(spit) not charged for his sign language at carlos tevez
the fa seem a tad disciminate themselves....agree
It is all first team matches, a draw at oldham replay, and two city cup games + 4 Prem Start 2moro (Wigan, Blackburn, Newcastle, City) Should be winning 3 of these at least. It would be worse if it was only Prem games. Appeal and there is a good chance it will be all Prem games towards the end of season. Evra you C***!
Terry will get nothing man. Can see it already.
Didn't Alcaraz spit in another players face and only get 3 games? Joke
Chuck Norris
20 Dec 2011 20:05:11
Christ
An Independent Regulatory Commission has today [Tuesday 20 December 2011] found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suarez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40,000, pending appeal.
On 16 November 2011, The Football Association charged Luis Suarez with misconduct contrary to FA Rule E3 in relation to the Liverpool FC versus Manchester United FC fixture on 15 October 2011.
A hearing took place from 14-20 December 2011 before an Independent Regulatory Commission of The FA to consider the charge.
The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;
the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision.
The Independent Regulatory Commission will provide written reasons for its decision in due course setting out:
(a) the findings of fact made by it;
(b) the reasons for its decision finding the charge proved; and
(c) the reasons for the penalty.
Mr Suarez has the right to appeal the decision of the Independent Regulatory Commission to an Appeal Board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.
The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suarez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suarez has an effective right of appeal.
Paul the red
I presume that the wording of this tribunal means any sort of abuse against a player and not just his colour will result in an FA disiplinary hearing what a farce
TC YNWA
20 Dec 2011 20:03:45
SUAREZ BANNED FOR 8 GAMES?!?
Joke.
YoungRed
They've done it again. Waiting for terry's decision. Disappointed. 8 games, OMG, can't believe it. Absolutely gutted.
Free Luis Suarez someone please start a petition to the powers that be.
20 Dec 2011 19:36:31
8 game ban for Suarez
Just watch Terry get the same. not likely.
They got their scapegoat. Now watch as the F.A let their England captain walk away unpunished
Egan
And £40000
Pathetic..... This from pleading guilty. Lets see what they give Terry, the ENGLAND CAPTAIN. We'll soon see if they are fair
taffytel
John Terry had better be banned for a year then!! However i will bet every penny i have they drop the charges against him.
ChrisE
Rediculous decision. Suarez has got done for telling the truth. He could have denied saying anything & it would have been his word against Evra. It is blatantly obvious it was a difference in culture or he would have denied saying anything. This just goes to prove you're best just Fu#king lying.
The Irish Rover
So call Sir work very well behind the decision? if 8 match then its a very easy decision why wait 2 month for charge and a week to decision ?
What a f*****g joke! Hope the FA cum out an explain the reason for there decision
The swan
It is out of order
And £45k fine
And 40 thousand pound fine! furious at the FA i think if it was rooney he would have got 3 games
Red-raj
What chance did we have ....sitting on the board was ...Taggart,Ray wilkins,Howard webb and Bigsam .
20 Dec 2011 18:50:15
Evening Eds and Fellow reds , been a long time since i last posted, think the team are really starting to play well now,and if there is any more additions in the transfer window then just trust the managers team of scouts ,they have done us well so far.Before I go i would like to thank the eds and wish you all a very merry christmas and a happy new year . top four starting to look promissing as well . cheers psv {Ed001's Note - good to see you again mate.}
20 Dec 2011 19:21:46
What's the story with the FA decision? If they dont make it tonight will Suarez play tomorrow. Its very poor as I am sure KK as we all would like to know if he is available to start.
Kenny commented on that very thing after the Villa game mate. When he was asked about how well Luis had played he said 'Luis played well considering he was stuck in an office 2 days, instead of training'.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
BBCbreaking news says 8match ban great to see the FA looking after utd again!
20 Dec 2011 19:15:37
Hearing Suarez has a ban plus a fine that will start in the new year. We will appeal though.
Keates Red
I think he has an 8 game ban..
Cheers
Macca
What is the likely outcome if we lose the appeal? They could hardly increase the ban?
Can he still play the remaining games of this year?
20 Dec 2011 18:46:14
Favourite youth teams anyone?
Mine is:
Gulasci
Flano Kelly Coates Robison
Henderson Coady
Ibe Shelvey Sterling
Morgan
What about suso and eccleston
20 Dec 2011 18:44:54
when a player is missing, its someones elses opportunity to show what they got and we will see what carroll is made of when he is strarted every game when suarez is banned
20 Dec 2011 18:40:11
my fellow reds, i am sure downing will come good in the second half of the season! he will start scoring and creating a lot more! just wait and watch! i have full faith in the lad! lets just back him 100%! YNWA
indian red..
20 Dec 2011 18:32:24
XHERDAN SHAQIRI £15M
LUKAS PODOLSKI 18M
MOUSSA SISSOKO 10M
DONE
And where do you suppose we're gunna get £43m from?
20 Dec 2011 18:24:31
Any word from the FA hopefully they show the X.mas spirit
20 Dec 2011 18:04:17
I'm not getting my hopes up about the January transfer window but does it look like we'll sign anyone for the first team at all. Thanks and have a merry Christmas and happy new year. YNWA
20 Dec 2011 17:59:41
Hey Eds,
just a quick question. What is the fee of which we have signed Jordan Ibe for?
Thanks in advance :)
Reid the Red {Ed003's Note - Not sure of the initial fee but it can rise to £1m with add ons }
20 Dec 2011 17:49:30
Man Utd offer 10 million for Shaqiri surely we should get this guy
I think he will go for nearer £18m and at that price he is a risk. Isn't he?
20 Dec 2011 17:43:10
The FA
FA statement
Friday, 16 December, 2011
Further statement from The FA regarding Suarez/Evra.
The Independent Regulatory Commission has confirmed there will be no decision this evening and will continue working through the weekend.
There will be no announcement on any decision before Tuesday 20 December 2011 at the earliest.
Off the FA web site!
Paul the red
99% of Liverpool fans already know this - it's the result we want to know. Please don't post any old rubbish.
Dutchmal
So possibly a decision today then?
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Thank you some people just like hearing themselves go on
Oh Dutchmal whats your problem pal
There has been countless questions today off people thinking that a decision was today! when in fact it states there wont be a decision before today, its of the FA web site, i thought i was being helpful!
If you already knew then that's fine but no need to have a go in public!
Plus who made you the voice of 99% of the people who come on here
No need mate!
Get a life
Paul the red
And how can anyone disagree with it when its cut and pasted from the official FA website!
Paul the red
20 Dec 2011 17:31:47
Ed i noticed when we played Aston Villa and Carrol come on Downing had quite a few chances to go down the wing and cross it to Carrol but constantly chose to cut inside and either lose the ball or pass to someone else, Is there some kind of problem with Carrol and the other guys at LFC as he seemed to be left out of alot of Downings play, and Downing was apparently bought due to his good crossing stats to help score some headers
MJ {Ed002's Note - I am sure there is no problem.}
Thanks Ed must just be Downing not using his head as i found it quite infuriating at times
MJ
I do agree a little with MJ, there have been
hardly any accurate crosses for Carroll's head. Liverpool don't really play a deep
cross game anyway. I'm as much disappointed with Downing as I am with Carroll. I expect Downing to create more assists and score more that he does. I think Carroll needs to be more selfish and fire in a few shots at goal from outside the box. This is as much as his strength as heading the ball from a good cross. I'm still confident Carroll will come good.
Give them a break , they're learning to enjoy themselves - all the best for the festive season .
1977
100% MJ its if there trying to make him look a fool the only ball that comes his way is from the back (carra) huffing it forward like a bunch of Muppet's i feel sorry for him cus he's a good player just being made out to be sh#t
bigfluppy
That's the whole problem. LFC do not play to Carroll's strengths. The full backs and wide players always look to get to the by line and cut it back. Carroll needs the ball played in early to get ahead of the defenders. The only player that does that is Gerrard. We need to mix up the play to suit both Carroll and Suarez, otherwise Carroll will get nowhere. He also needs to be more assertive and have a go at the likes of Downing when the ball doesn't get crossed early
G
20 Dec 2011 17:15:15
Liverpool have just signed Jordan Ibe
Welshdan
Replacement for Suarez? {Ed002's Note - Unlikely - he was 16 a couple of weeks back and you will not see him in the first team at Liverpool for years to come.}
Is it just me or are we overloading on young strikers e.g. Morgan, Carroll, Ibe, Connellly, Ecclestone, Pacheco?
Can someone give a bit more info on the player? I've seen the goal he scored vs Sheff Wed but not much else. What position does he play? His attributes?
At a young age he has already played 11 1st team games, I just hope coming to the club with no real chance of 1st team action anytime soon doesn't stunt what seems to be a very promising career.
RedSG
Out of all the young players we have very few well make it to the big time so the more you have the more of a chance of making it to the first team
Connelly hasnt signed
dani pacheco AMF/SS not a striker
As Mae West once said " Too much of a good thing can be wonderful "
The Real KB
What's the chances of all them youngsters coming through though? Slim I think, so It's best too have too many whilst they are young with limited ego's and not crying on the bench when they are older.
DaveyBootle
20 Dec 2011 17:13:34
Is this Rory Donnelly player any good eds? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea at all.}
He is, indeed. thats the reason so many of BPL clubs are after him. YNWA
20 Dec 2011 16:52:20
Eds, is it sure that there will be a decision
on the Suarez-Evra situation today? Or
could this thing drag on until 2012? Still
no news it seems?
{Ed002's Note - I suspect that the results of the findings will be notified to the various folk involved and later there will be a press release. It may be today or it may not.}
20 Dec 2011 16:40:12
Anyone else think the reason andy Carroll has not played much recently is to keep him fresh should suarez get a ban?
His fitness isn't exactly great, the club might just be giving him the best possible chance to shine should he be needed.
MIKEY
Nope, think its because he is playing too
poorly to get in the team. However, if Suarez gets a ban I could see him getting more games, in a 4-5-1 formation. I think
he needs a good run of games.
20 Dec 2011 16:12:35
This is an astonishing stat! Just think where we could have been had these all gone in? Perhaps it's time to start campaigning for bigger goals!
The Reds have hit the woodwork 17 times in 2011/12. They have rattled the frame and bar 73 times since the start of the 2008-09 campaign, the most in the Premier League.
More clinical strikers campaign
More accurate shooting campaign required.
None of the above, just bigger goals thats it problem solved. Sorted league is ours......All the best.
KNEE JERK
20 Dec 2011 15:54:22
In his pre-match press conference, the Spaniard (Roberto Martinez) also suggested that his side would be facing the best Liverpool team in years, to which Dalglish quipped: "I think he's a nice man."
Kaizer
20 Dec 2011 15:17:25
Hi eds, is there any news on Suarez and the FA's decision yet? Also if he is found guilty, Liverpool will obviously appeal it, will that make him available for tomorrows game? {Ed002's Note - I am sure someone will mention it when there is news. Liverpool will not be appealing anything.}
Why will Liverpool not b appealing anything. Is it because there will b nothing to appeal?
Jack the groove {Ed002's Note - Liverpool have not been charged with anything - what have they got to appeal?}
20 Dec 2011 15:03:45
Basically what we need to do is, keep pace with chelsea and arsenal, beat them when we play them and well have 4th
20 Dec 2011 14:53:12
Sir Bob
Just seen your post on the Everton page, you must of put plenty of bait on that hook lol.
Cracking stuff
KT!
Keep chasing those bigger clubs!! Cos you are falling further and further and further behind them!! And we are loving every minute of it! And when you lose your best player for months on end for one disgusting act (Man Utd game) or another (Fulham game), you will fall into mediocrity, Europe won't even be mentioned in Anfield soon!!
Aint you got a window to lick..KT is right
MJ
The funny part is that even if he did this 'disgusting act' (which I assume you do all the time) which he didn't he would get a 6 match ban not a 'months on end' also suarez may do some amazing stuff but most of it comes to nothing in terms of goals so I doubt we will 'fall into (your) mediocrity'
Assume what you will, we are not all racists in Liverpool!! I think its unbelievable that you lot say he's one of the best players in the world, when what he does amounts to very little! Keep chasing!!
As for licking our window, I think you will find there are more reds on the blue site than blues on the red site!
20 Dec 2011 14:48:38
eds or macca was wondering if any of you had heard anything about the Anfield expansion/new stadium at all?
I thought they had a deadline to make a decision a few months ago now?
Cheers Manno {Ed002's Note - Nothing right now.}
20 Dec 2011 14:46:42
Hi Ed, i understand you've said a new striker is very likely in jan with De Jong being one of the highest chances. I've also read that you think maybe another midfielder might come. Would this be a central or winger? Or does it just depend on who's available? Great site and fantastic work, thanks.
Dale {Ed002's Note - I think a central midfield player less like than a right sided player.}
Thanks Ed, appreciate your answers. Dale
20 Dec 2011 14:08:32
Not really a rumour, but just absoluted delighted by some of the talent coming through/to come through especially:
Kelly, Coates, Robinson, Sterling, Ibe, Ojo, Morgan, Coady, Suso, O'hanlon, Henderson, Carroll, Shelvey, Smith
Hopefully it will mean in 5 years time, they are the base of our squad, and the club can spend big money on 1 or 2 players to boost the squad, rather than £10mil for 5 players.
Thank you Kenny, Damien, RAFA and Fenway Sports group.
AZ
No mention for Rodolfo?
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
A big thanks to every one involved in it. It'd be great to see our own academy lads making it. Keep it up. YNWA
Flanagan, Spearing, Wisdom, Adorjan, Hatch, Regan, Silva, Quirk?
Just a couple more of the top of my head
20 Dec 2011 13:56:14
Our next 7 games are against - Wigan, Man City, Bolton & Wolves away whilst we have home games against Newcastle, Blackburn & Stoke. In theory 6 of those games are winnable, with Man City away being obviously the most difficult. Saying that we do raise our game against the so called bigger teams so a point could even be a possibility.
Now if these positive results materialize we will not only be in a top 4 position but possibly pushing for the championship.
Again this is all theory and I believe this will all hinge on the outcome of the Suarez decision hopefully which we will find out later today. If he is found guilty then I honestly do believe we will struggle - it may be an opportunity for Carroll to become a hero but I think not. So here's praying for an early xmas present that Suarez is found not guilty and we have a tremendous battle to win the premiership in 2012!
We are not a one man team !
No, We are not a 1 man team, however.... Lucas is out and I'm not sure if Gerrard will return for the next 4-5 games, So if you add the loss of Suarez to them... Its a huge bloe for any side!
If Suarez is found guilty of the second of the charges then he will leave the reds
One game at a time mate,
next up is Wigan,
lets knock that one off first
then focus on the next one
A few games rest
could be good thing for Suarez.
If Suarez is banned for however long, one thing's for sure he'll come back stronger and better. It'll just spur him on to come back with a vengeance. Any team he faces will be worried just as they are now.
Dale
To the original poster....
We play Man city in the carling cup so how could we get a point?
Sorry my mistake we do play them in the league and 6 days later in the cup. Wasn't aware of that, dam what a week that will be.
They will probably beat us in the league but the carling cups ours.
To the above clever arse... We play city on the 3rd in the prem and carling cup on the 11th
Myk
20 Dec 2011 13:53:40
to sir bob the red everton were born out of pride liverpool were born out of jealousey 1878 coyb.
Is that it? I'm wasting my time trying to find one Everton fan who can at least string one sentence together, may explain why they chose blue. It has to be, no one with half a brain, let alone a full one would chose everton over the mighty Liverpool Football Club.
Bob the Red
Please don't, its only a minority of KIDS that are doing this, leave it to them to get called sad, and don't let Everton stoop down to Robert's level
What a nobler
Paul the red
Now who's the jealous ones 1878 coyb?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
It doesn't matter what/how/why each club came into existence.
The most important thing is making sure you choose the correct team to support (which is of course the team that plays in red)
"and don't let Everton stoop down to Robert's level"
It would be pretty hard for Sir Bob to stoop to Everton's level, unnamed Bluenose. You are 14th and falling mate, you are lower than a snakes balls.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
"It would be pretty hard for Sir Bob to stoop to Everton's level"
I think you will find that he is the one that started this, coming onto our site and trying to say Liverpool play beautiful football... Two words - Andy Carroll
#BobTheNobIsAClosetBlue
20 Dec 2011 13:33:37
how good is it to see gerrard back training with the rest of the team.
The legend returns!!
gaz b
Wow, its like ground hog day I'm sure we have said this once already this season
Brilliant. Now hoping to see FA statement in our way. It'd just make my day. hope, every thing goes right. YNWA
20 Dec 2011 13:26:17
Ed's or anyone else know what time we can expect the verdict from the FA hearing today?
Gman82
{Ed002's Note - If anything is said today there will not be a set schedule.}
20 Dec 2011 13:18:42
Don't usually do this, and I apologize for the high percentage of people that DO NOT do this. But please, you minority of sad b**tards that come over to the Everton site, writing rumours and slagging our club, claiming the football played by kenny is beautiful? Don't make me laugh! Look at the 'king' and his amazing £35m signings, getting slaughtered by Fulham 'cause you didn't have that over-rated, un-samba like barely-Brazilian chap at CM, Beautiful?
JM (The Blue) {Ed002's Note - Actually if the Everton site has become infested it may just be kids - then you need to suffer until the school are open again. The grown up Liverpool supporters generally take their banter (which with only a couple of exceptions they are not very good at) to the Manchester United pages. You can get your own back when the new stadium is announced and they find out it is a ground share.}
First one in the net!
Bob the Red
Bob, get a life, and maybe a girlfriend, and possibly an education, that will be all.
Oh touched a blue nerve have i?
Bob the Red
You have to admit JM mate, Lucas is way better than that over-rated, over aged, junior Rat-Boy, you have playing CM or is it RB? Either way he's sh!t.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
I wouldn't waste my time going on a small team's website with rumours about players who you can't afford and who wouldn't want to play for you anyway.
Scouse Pride
A blue nose why dont you go and read about your history ! you sing about it enough
20 Dec 2011 13:16:21
@Blair Mayne
Jah, very correct, mate.
We very nearly went bust.
I sometimes look back to those dark, gloomy and think to myself, perhaps I ought to just be grateful that I still have a football club to support, playing at a high level.
It sort of puts things into perspective.
A year ago, it might have been Carlton Cole, not Carroll, crapping all over the pitch, Konchesky "bombing down the left flank", and Roy Hodgson, in his typical self, rubbing and scratching that nose on the touch... on a very cold Monday night Elland Road.
Basically, it could've been a lot worse.
*Mohamed bin Rashid Nayhan
*Yaya Kirdi
*Kenny Huang
*Rhone Group
*Qatar Investment Authority
*Mr Broughton
*James007
*Tom Hicks
*George Gillet
*Roy Hodgson
*Paul Konchesky
*Christian Poulsen
*Milan Jovanovic
Christ... we've put up with a lot!
We owe it ourselves to perhaps, for a moment or two, be still, briefly go down memory lane, observe our surroundings now and express our gratitude and humility.
John Henry and Tom Werner have given us a shot at glory.
Thank you.
Ray Burmeister
ps: ed, where did Sharkey disappear to? A terrific bloke that Blue man. {Ed002's Note - An absolute sweety.}
You forgot to add my name to that list Ray mate. lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Ps. I miss Sharkey.
Arr Sharkey, a true nemesis. Very dry sense of humour just like Mrs Ed002 in fact. They must be married to each other. Wonder which one proposed to who? :) I think both are Chelsea fans as well, how about that? Can you imagine the chatter on matchday at the bridge with these two? :)
No wonder Ed002 demands to come on here, must be to brush up on his football wit:
You're welcome Ed002 and when are you going to tell Ed001 you're now going out with Sharkey, his ex? Well? :)
Bob the Red
20 Dec 2011 12:49:03
I'm trying to record atleast 13 home league games to my membership,got tickets for fa cup and carling cup home games,wanted to no if they will be recorded as home games,also when it's a general ticket sale and I were to buy 4 tickets on my name will it just be recorded as 1 or will it be 4,just wanted to no because if u record 13 or more home games u have first picks on games.
Recorded as one mate
20 Dec 2011 12:11:35
@Blair Mayne
LOL! So it wasn't you? Then my bad as (a result of the ed's bad [*slipped through*]). Sorry, matey. Retracted.
And NO, I wasn't waiting to "get it off my chest". This bear bears no hard feelings with no Red.
And to that wellend impostor how sad must you be, pretending to be somebody else.
What, ain't got the balls to state your own two cents in your own name?
Pathetic.
From now on I shall leave my email address, and hopefully there won't be any "slipping through".
Ray Burmeister
ps: Blair, on the QIA/takeover saga, you did spout a shedload o' crap, along with that 'James007' chap, didn't ya, lol?
Where's he, by the way, 'James007'? {Ed002's Note - Don't remind him about Kenny Huang (superhero) either.}
I spouted the most crap, during the takeover Ray mate. I convinced myself that we had been bought and everything was ok, etc, etc...I just couldn't/wouldn't believe our club was in danger, of oblivion. But when I read extracts from Brian Reade's "44 months with 2 Cowboys" it showed how close we were to administration and how bad things really were.
And James 007, was our own Ed002 me thinks? Who else could write such good financial posts?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Could not be further from the truth.}
You wouldn't have to sign your name to know the negative s**te you post is from you.
Don't flatter yourself by thinking anyone in the right mind would try and imitate you Ray
Jonson
Uncalled for Jonson please don't be abusive!
KopEndDannyLFC {Ed002's Note - You all need to play nicely.}
Ray started it Ed. lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - 002 was bickering with James 007 all the time Blair, one of the reasons I asked him to edit was because 002's info was on the nose, while James was clearly fantasising or lying.}
Nice edit ed haha
KopEndDannyLFC
I know Ed mate, I remember. Ed002 was trying to tell me all what I was saying and 007 was saying, was all BS. The 007/Ed002 was a bit of banter mate but obviously, not that funny. lol lol lol lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Is this really you Blair?}
It's defo me Ed002. I've been trying to post for a couple of days, with nothing going up. I'm sooooooo happy and excited your putting my posts up, thanks.
Love always
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - I would be surprised if nothing of yours is going up. Most stuff is getting through right now.}
Come to think of it Ed, I was posting using my phone. Now i'm using a PC so it could be the phone.
Please don't post, thanks.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Blair I remember well the BS you belived about a sale having taken place. It was painfuill to watch whcilt in relaity teh club was teetering on the brink. In the end it all came good. What a diffenrence a year and a bit makes. We are in a very good place now. Pass and move is defnitely back, KK's second coming, decent owners are in place and we have great future. The last time I enjoyed our style of play as much as now was back in the days of Roy Evans. the depth of our squad is looking good and with a couple more flair players we will be ready for a real assault next season. Reality Red
This time last year I was cringing at the thought, of having to watch/go to games Reality mate. Now I can't wait for the next game, we are playing really good football, which is lovely on the eye. A couple of tweeks (flair players) like you say and we'll be ok.
Still couldn't understand some negative posts I read after the Villa game? The whole team played fantastic and have done all season (except Spurs game).
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
20 Dec 2011 11:46:27
Hello everybody. Hope we are all in the spirit. Ive been doing some reading (and thinking) and trying to make an educated guess as to our signing(s) in January. So far only Luuk De Jong looks anything like nailed on. With Lucas' injury however, I can see someone like Lass Diarra or Sami Khedeira coming in. Those might be the only ones. Because we are not in europe it is obvious that we wont be signing someone from the champions lge. Europa lge football MIGHT be sacrificed by some players in favour of HUGE wages but can Liverpool afford those? I agree with the majority of the fans that we need players of the calibre of Gotze, Neymar, Hazard, Cavani, Higuain etc But those players want CHAMPIONS LEAGUE football and/or HUGE WAGES. We have neither! Podolski, De Jong, Diarra, Sissoko, Khedeira, Samba, and/or possibly Lewandowski are the most likely to join in January. But I would finish off by saying there is always ONE surprise signing in January and the Summer windows. This time round the surprise signing could involve Liverpool and im going to say it may well be Adam Johnson to Liverpool and Man City could buy Mario Götze as his replacement?!?! Just a thought. Happy holidays Eds and fellow readers
Kam
20 Dec 2011 11:40:21
On the twelth day of christmas, my true love gave to me:
Just over 12 goals conceded,
A great starting 11,
10 goals home and away,
9 Goals this year from Suarez,
Our 8 back from injury,
Our 7 back in charge,
Only 6 home goals conceded,
Lucas's 5 Yellow cards!
4 league wins on the spin,
against Chl3sea
2 new great coaches,
and You'll Never Walk Alone John Henry!
YNWA! (Adam)
No offence mate, but stick to watching the football.
EBENEZA
Glides off the tongue like the sound of someone falling down the stairs.
dd
Sounds like something the mancs would sing lol
k-h
Well half of them, the other half dont sing
Calm down Ebeneza ;) it was just a bit of fun that took me 2 minutes to think up haha, in future i'll spend months writing songs with backing tracks and everything, just to keep you entertained :)
YNWA!(Adam) {Ed002's Note - Adam, I think it is really neat that you take time to write poetry for teh Liverpool team.}
20 Dec 2011 11:32:11
Do you belive Kenny could be sacked if we don't get into top 4?
No,
It's possible that we wont finish 4th, but if we dont we will be only a small number of points off 4th. The teams getting better all the time, so I for one expect to finish 4th anyway.
Burnsy
20 Dec 2011 11:30:27
Hi all,
Does anybody know what time we will know the Suarez decision?
Ed's, do you have any idea of the time?
Thanks!
Burnsy {Ed002's Note - We don't even know if it will be today for sure. But there is no schedule.}
If a relatively small expert panel cannot make up their mind in over 100 hours then I think they need to concede there is at least reasonable doubt over his guilt and therefore acquit him. Unless of course they think he is guilty but are arguing over the length of the ban and worrying about repercussions of them being too harsh or lenient. {Ed002's Note - I rather suspect that a decision has been taken and it is the responsibility of those involved to inform all relevant parties before a press release is issued or any statement made.}
20 Dec 2011 11:28:12
"We don't need Aguero mate, we've got Luis. And City payed 28 mill for Dzeko and Carroll is better than Dzeko.
Blair Mayne YNWA
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Ed this wasn't me mate. Could you keep an eye on the E.mail address and IP's, thanks.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Ok Blair. I guess it slipped through.}
Glad to hear that nonsense was not you Blair. It's strange that people seem to enjoy posting b*ll*x under the guise of others sign offs.
G-Force {Ed002's Note - You will be pleased to know the fake Blair has been found and banned.}
Good enough for 'em Eds.
P.S. I'm going to put my tuppence on Carroll getting back on the scorecard for us with a decent (not great) but decent performance by him. (I have a feeling he'll be starting, regardless of the outcome of the Suarez hearing)
20 Dec 2011 11:19:28
Kenny and Comoli must bring creative players like; jurado ( scalke) , diego ( wolsbur) , borja valero( villareal) . 1 striker like; TORRES. CAVANNI. HIGUAIN , ADEBAYOR AND CENTRAL MID. LIKE ; FERNADO ( FC PORTO) KHEDIRA OR LASSANA FROM REAL / AGRRE OR DESAGREE
20 Dec 2011 10:53:20
'Reds closing in on deals for Rory Donnelly and Jordon Ibe'
This is from the Guardian. Can be fairly reliable apart from the gossip section (but then again, it is just a gossip section after all).
BKH YNWA.
20 Dec 2011 10:51:57
@Blair Mayne
'Carroll better than Dzeko'
And when I said the standard of the postings on here has gotten worst I was crucified.
Well, there you have it.
A classic case of pure folly, delusion and blind faith.
Anyway, why am I not surprised, afterall, this is the same Blair bloke who some months before FSG's takeover had been backing up the crap of and himself spouting crap with those 'Mr Broughton' and 'James007' twerps about Qatar Investment Authority having bought the club.
Carroll "better than" Dzeko lol!
Well done for producing the biggest act of muppetry this year, son.
As for the player (Carroll) himself, he's a no-hoper.
Though I never wanted him in the first place, I told myself that I'd support him. But I've had enough now. He's hopeless, and that makes it impossible for me to continue supporting him, regardless of my past pledges.
Ray Burmeister
I didn't post it Ray mate, so you got your knickers in a twist, for nothing. Of course Carroll isn't as good as Dzeko, not at the moment anyway.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
On current form dzeko is better but having watched a lot of carroll last year for Newcastle it's clear to me he is a better player. He has a long way to go to get fit and he has to improve aspects of his game but I would rather have Carroll.
MIKEY
You were just waiting to get that off your chest, eh Ray? I'm sorry my friend if i've offended you in some way but it is you who is "biggest muppet of the year" and fell hook, line and sinker.
Again mate, this wasn't me I thought all this immitation and copying had stopped?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Spot on Mikey.
Dzeco's first season for city wasn't to impressive but has come good.
Andy Carrol is still only 22 and learning his game. I believe we will see a better AC next season.
He has a lot of promis and gives defenders nightmares.
The king himself said Carrol was bought for 5 plus years and not for instant success. Yes he's rusty around the edges but the king will turn him in to a world class player.
Have faith he will come good.
YNWA
TIZER RED.
"As for the player (Carroll) himself, he's a no-hoper.
Though I never wanted him in the first place, I told myself that I'd support him. But I've had enough now. He's hopeless, and that makes it impossible for me to continue supporting him, regardless of my past pledges"
Ray Burmeister"
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With support like this Ray mate, makes you wonder why the kid's confidence, is so low. And the guy has hardly had any game time, thus far. But you go-ahead mate, you stop supporting him, when he needs our support the most.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Blair - immitation is the highest form of flattery. Ray - calm down, calm down!
Kev
20 Dec 2011 10:15:16
Where is the search button?
Sigglebean {Ed002's Note - Top right. Under the wrord "SEARCH".}
Ah see Eds, that's why people keep asking the same stupid questions about the same players over and over again.....you never told them where the search tool was.
20 Dec 2011 09:42:03
hi eds not really football related but wondered if you could post my twitter acoount name. It is @haydenlee24 and i tweet about all things football. Im quite new to it and currently only have 4 followers so anymore would be appreciated!
thanks
Thekop1 {Ed002's Note - No problem.}
20 Dec 2011 09:30:01
Hey lfc fans
If there is one thing I eant its for steve clarke to stop charlie adam grom making stupid tackles
He gets a yellow card so fast an puts the rest of the team in jeopardy to play with just ten men
I think he has only picked up about 3 cards?
Your always going to pick up cards in today's game, especially playing central mid.
MIKEY
20 Dec 2011 09:17:28
Scotland teams are ready to go back to standing at the game, mixed feelings on this proposal.
never forgotten
If they do this I would like to know 1/. Will the seats still be in place for them to stand on and 2/. Will they increase ground capacity to allow more people into the standing areas?
It smells of money grabbing to me.
CovoKenya
I think they will be looking at the German setup.
Aye, sounds like they'll be getting in
a few more penny's by increasing capacity in that way. Maybe they should think of installing beds cos Scotish football just sends me to sleep its so boring.
Jack O'bite
20 Dec 2011 09:16:44
It seems to me that theres even more money awash in the game,and fewer and fewer quality players,keeping prices overinflated.More reason to get in as early as possible.Or tp get pre contracts signed ASAP
20 Dec 2011 09:08:53
Good Luck today Luis. We are all behind you whatever the outcome. YNWA
The Goatherder
JFT96
20 Dec 2011 09:03:45
RedTurk,where have you been hiding mate. I've really missed your positive posts. Your not hiding are you because we played very well against Villa. Did you notice how the 2 young English lads that you've never deemed good enough dominated the midfield. Oh well,when you've taken your head out of your asse,let us know your thoughts mate. Ps,thought Downing wasn't to shabby either.
Jonson.
Ha, good ol' redturk.
It's Christmas and like all turkeys he is keeping his head down!
Kev
20 Dec 2011 04:59:18
Was watching the qpr game on astro channel here in koh samui. Steve McMahon was the pundit and when asked about David villa immediately said he'd join man city or Chelsea. Sound familiar? Steve McMahon is macca!
Gordy
Why do u care who he is anyway?
Kaizer
Or there could be more than just 1 person out there with enough common sense to know that them are the only 2 clubs that would pay that much in transfer fees and wages for a player of that age
20 Dec 2011 04:23:35
Who would cover Carragher if Agger got injured?(unnamed poster in response to a post about loaning out Coates and/or Wilson)
My response: Martin Kelly?
Keith YNWA
We can loan wilson, but not coates. even if he gets 1 game in 10, he still gets it. wilson is not getting anything.
Kaizer
20 Dec 2011 03:37:58
hope we get that Shakiri kid ....that would be awesome
20 Dec 2011 00:37:40
I've posted a couple of times Ed mate, are they not getting through? Or am I banned because I had the courage to tell Ed002 'No means no'? No matter how many happy meals she promises me, i'm not that easy.
Thanks
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - It is more likely that the other Eds left a sinking ship last night. You are not banned right now, but I could make it happen for you if needs be.}
20 Dec 2011 05:07:58
there are rumours that lucas barrios could move this january.eds do you think liverpool could go for him ?
also from your view we could go for soldado/de jong and maybe lewandoski/bent/doumbia.
personnaly i belive lewandoski wont be sold.so as bent and doumbia would cost to much.
so from the 3 listed below who will you take ?
soldado/de jong/barrios
thanks. {Ed002's Note - Whilst I think it unlikely that would interested in moving from Dortmund to Liverpool, it is not totally out of the question that he could be available and Liverpool could bid. He has struggled to get back in the starting line-up after injury and does not seem happy with sitting on the bench. But I would expect Dortmund to be looking for a replacement striker as they already know that there is interest in Lewandowski and whilst they have their target set as Welliton I am not so sure they would let both players leave. I also think if he gets a run of games he will stop bleating and stay.}
19 Dec 2011 23:47:26
Hi eds, is there a website where it shows all the players contracts length of the Premier league? And is there a website that shows player wages too? It would be helpful.
Thanks, KickingBro {Ed002's Note - Ideally you would need one of the specialist databases but the can be expensive. Transfermarkt.com is pretty accurate for contract dates but I don't know anything that would give you that for wages.}
20 Dec 2011 00:27:15
There are a few reports of Liverpool rivaling Man Utd over Xherdan Shakiri. To what extent are these rumours true? Are we actually interested in him? If we manage to land him it'll be a massive coup. Thanks
Sometimes i really do think,it aint about player quality,or a club requiring a certain player.its stopping your rivals getting stronger by aqquiring that player.Taggart in particular mooted as doing this.Particularily to our"targets"