Liverpool Banter Archive July 20 2012
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20 Jul 2012 22:55:13
Allen keeps it simple, very composed, eye for a pass, I think he'd be a fine signing, would love to see him line up for us next season. I think Allen, Dempsey and Moses would be great signings
Red Ollie
20 Jul 2012 22:49:19
I think Messi would struggle to play good in a side managed by Stuart Pearce.
KT!
Stuart Pearce cannot be faulted for motivation and passion but when we are playing top sides you need more than that. He needs to manage a club side(besides a role as caretaker manager at Man City) first starting in perhaps the Championship and get some feel for the strengths and weaknesses of opposing sides and the tactics and players needed to defeat them.I dont really know how he has got to such an elevated position without much experience.He may well feel this is a step backwards from his position in the England set up but as he is still relativley young in mangerial terms in the long run it will better his career.
Redbill 16
20 Jul 2012 22:46:28
If Allen is going to cost about 15 million then I think we should go for Ramirez.
Agree with you 100%. Will link up brilliantly with Suarez. We need goal scorers rather than more central midfielders. Brendan Rodgers should try to mould Henderson into a Joe Allen type of player.
Why is ramirez really that much better ? remember allen is premier league proven and proven in BR's system. he and BR know eachother well. ramirez plays in the seria a for a lower end team. yeah he has flair but can he adapt to BR's system never mind the english game. i'm not disagreeing as i would be happy with either. cheers
derryred
20 Jul 2012 22:46:23
Ok, Liverpool plan to play tiki taka football next season. Could this mean that fringe players like Spearing, Pacheo and Cole to have more significant roles to play for Liverpool next season, along with academy prospects; Sterling and Suso to get more first team appearances.
When I hear Tika Taka football, Spearing is the first player how comes into my mind :P, I agree and hope its true for the rest.
Ska-oop
Tiki Taka doesn't mean small mate.
BthekingB
20 Jul 2012 22:32:28
People make me laugh judging Joe Allen in a friendly. Also he is at the start of his pre season. Guys chill out and not make judgement after one meaningless game.
Mighty reds
20 Jul 2012 22:30:15
I hate to be negative but to all the posters saying about Allen's pass percentage being up there with inquests and Xavi. Well it's a bit easier when all ur passes are back to the back 4 and very rarely an attacking pass. I'm probably being unfair as gb were a poor team but just saying stats prove nothing!
Jason {Ed001's Note - I remember people used to say that exact same thing about Xavi when he was younger.}
That is unfair as he played as the only holding midfielder against a strong Brazil team. Giggs and Cleverly played further forward. Allen would do well played alongside another holding midfielder IMO. Also, when you play his tempo-setting kind of game a lot of passes will naturally be backwards and sidewards. Possession is key after all
Gav
He was mediocre tonight but is is like a pre-season friendly. i'm judging by how he played for swansea when it mattered and he was rarely out of his depth. i think he'd be a great signing.
derryred
Ed001, can you remember the back page of the Daily Mail when they announced the short list of 6 players for the Ballon d'Or?
"Here are the 5 best players in the world. And Xavi"
I wonder if the journalist who wrote that still tries to justify that opinion?
Joe {Ed001's Note - I would be interested to know who it was that wrote that! It shows how incredibly lacking in knowledge of the game most journalists are.}
Hey Ed, i'm pretty sure it was Matt Lawton. Certainly appeared in the daily fail if that helps
Milamber {Ed001's Note - wouldn't surprise me, he has never shown any idea about the game at all! Amazing that he earns a living writing about it really.}
20 Jul 2012 22:27:05
ed001 ed022 if you could choose a realistic striker to replace Carroll who would you want? I would love Rondon
Red Rout
{Ed001's Note - Fernando Llorente, if he could be classed as realistic.}
You eds bring it upon yourselves some of the hassle, getting hopes up of Llorente is unrealistic but because you have said it 001 they will take it as gold
Ben {Ed001's Note - are you being serious? If you are, then you really need to get out more.}
When we were being linked with Biesla, Llorente was asked in an interview what he thought of his manager being linked with liverpool. He literally laughed into the camera and said ''Why would he want to go there?'' {Ed001's Note - and then Bielsa left......}
If I could choose a straight replacement for big Andy. I would ask Ade Akinbiyi to stick the boots back on. He could do what big Andy has done for us, no probs.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Ps. I think someone has hacked into Akinbiyi 's Wiki account. It calls him a 'Professional Footballer' on it. lol
Funny Blair, i've always had a smile at the mention of akinbiyi. He was approached to play for Norn Iron and turned us down! Thank god for small mercies. Ulsterpool
20 Jul 2012 22:24:41
Hi all,
Not having a go at FSG at all. But i always wonder why no oil baron or billionaire brought/buys us. I mean you look at the likes at PSG and man city. Surely we would have been a better option. With the history and fan base that we have.
Hate to say it but football nowadays you need to spend millions to get anywhere.
Yorksred
On the contrary look at Malaga, bought by a Sheikh with billions, spent about 50m in one season and since hasn't paid a penny they are now in a terrible condition and need to sell as he wont pay wages.
At least FSG are a legit business unlike some of the Sheihks.
Ben
Stoke and everton spend millions. whats your point.
derryred
Cithe had a taypayers stadium. Sooooo much cheaper.
20 Jul 2012 22:23:12
just been watching suso in the under 19s.he looks a player.great skill ,passing,everything u would want from a controling centre midfielder or a more advanced posistion.I hope him and sterling and mybe even connar coady get a go in the first team next season.mybe we dont need to get a big name signing.
20 Jul 2012 21:30:10
Ed, do you believe Suarez will stay or go? not expecting an answer but thought I'd try my luck anyway.
redkenyan {Ed001's Note - go, I think he will go. He has shown how little regard he has for the club with his recent comments. If he can't keep his mouth shut and move on, then he should be moved on.}
Although I'm sure you're maybe in for a rash of abuse, Ed001, I couldn't agree with you more.
First the handshake incident. Then the nice little very public visit to Juventus. Followed by repeatedly dredging up things best left unsaid when he has to know by now that any commentary on the subject is not exactly welcomed by the management team and owners, the last one swiftly followed by his 'roommate' bigging up Juventus (complete coincidence, I'm sure).
Frankly I think he wants out, but wants the fans to think it was the owners/managers pushing him out while he was just a poor victim in it all (because he just loves the Kop and stuff).
Just hope we're able to still get a reasonable price for him now, but even just the stupid little interview thing could easily cost us £5M+ on the transfer fee.
If he really wanted to be here and play for the badge, he wouldn't be doing any of these things. To think otherwise is sheer folly.
RDL
Liverpool fc was around long defore he was born and will be around long after he is gone. we will move on. perhaps then we will get ramirez
derryred
I said the same thing and got stick! lol
I think he's great but i also say he shows very little respect for all the people that backed him and Kenny who proved YNWA can be taken too far and probably cost him his job.,..i don't think he cares for anyone but himself, great player as he is
gareth
Could never see him wanting to stay after what has happened.
He is a 'marked man', a media target, and to make things worse he can't keep his mouth shut.
20 Jul 2012 22:20:26
First only c bits ov GB game,had the hole game on but dident watch it really,because don't like how Stuart Pearce likes his team to play, so with that said only wanted to get a look at Joe Allen but let's be very fair nobody is going to look great playing the way stuart pearce wants ,so please let's not take two much from these GB games ,only my view ov things ,I'm sure even if Stuart Pearce was manager ov brazil he would make 90% ov them very poor
YNWA. Lfc linc
20 Jul 2012 22:15:58
Liverpool will probably pay about £11/12 million up front for Allen with the rest in add ons. He's a young promising midfielder who could possibly end up being genuine class. People dismiss his pass completion percentages because they are not all defence splitters, yet most of our midfield coudn't pass five yards sideways to a team mate last year.
He's also gonna be playing with a better class of player and in a better team. Why are people so negative and short sighted? they just sound like whining little bitches and their negativity is tiresome.
Al this bulls*** about Ramirez aswell, how many people have actually seen him play regularly for ninety minutes, probably none of you, yet he's made out to be the next Messi. Objective scouting reports I have heard have highlighted that he's lightweight, often lazy, and maybe not cut out for the cut and thrust of the Premiership. If he was such a world beater he wouldn't still be where he is and available at the price which has been mooted, would he.
Stop the bitching and start supporting your team.
David
I agree with you however i thought we played the best passing football an lfc team has played in recent years, if we finished our chances then you'd all be applauding our midfield and how brilliant our passing was.
derryred
20 Jul 2012 20:43:21
Eds or anyone
Will uefa actually be able to enforce the FFP rules, seems a lot of clubs don't seem to fussed about it throughout europe!
PM {Ed001's Note - the thing is that it benefits the big clubs, so they want it to be enforced, it suits them because it stops little clubs from being able to compete.}
20 Jul 2012 22:11:44
Could everyone stop saying Adam should leave. Come on he's had one bad season like most of the Liverpool team did last season and now everyone wants him to leave. He can bring us so much more with his ability and passing talent. Lucas was bad when he started off and he was playing well before he got Injured. If we give players like Adam and Downing another chance next season they could perform well and help us achieve what the fans want.
Also some people saying Allen wouldn't be a good signing, but lots of fans were saying this about Jelavic and we didn't sign him and he was excellent for Everton last season.
Also is there any news on Walcott and could this be a possible transfer?
cheers Sam the Red.
I think Adam is a good player so long as he is played in an attacking role. Much of last season he was played as a holding mid, and we all know he can't defend..
20 Jul 2012 22:07:33
Hope there is a chance of signing Jack Butland, even if we loan him back out for a season as he has the quality to be a world class Keeper as he proved once again tonight for team GB.
Skurks
20 Jul 2012 22:02:32
I just wanted to say, really chuffed to see Ed001 Posting/Editing again on the Liverpool site. YOUR A LEGEND MATE...
Stevie. {Ed001's Note - and I thought I was easily pleased!}
We're have you been Ed001? I thought you were in prison mate, so didn't want to ask.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - no mate, just don't get much chance to get on here as the other sites are short handed while this one has a fair bit of cover. When it is quiet, like Friday nights tend to be, I get the chance to get on and talk, otherwise I only tend to scoot through and post up stuff as I am too busy to get involved.}
LOL ...Credit where credits due buddy... :-)
Stevie.
{Ed001's Note - I wish you were my bank manager, the one I have never gives me any credit.....}
Ed1 mate john w henry says champions league is not a priority for liverpool at the moment as a fan or fans point of view does he know about liverpool or will take few years to be back {Ed001's Note - he has just realised that it is not a quick fix, that this is going to take a long term effort. I think he is right, but then I couldn't give a monkey's about qualifying for Europe. Coming 4th is not a prize and it is ridiculous that it has become treated as one. We won't be able to look back in 40 years and boast about all the times we came 4th, but we could look back and boast about cups won!}
Thanks mate as always and a big thank you for the site {Ed001's Note - no worries, I am still amazed at how big they have become. I still remember getting excited when we reached 100 page views in total!}
Ed001 - your comment highlights the difference between the modern day supporter and the true football supporter. I would rather win cups than finish 4th. No history in finishing 4th! IndoDave {Ed001's Note - it's sad that people only care about having the money that comes with finishing 4th. The cup final should be far more important than any place in the league, other than winning it!}
20 Jul 2012 21:59:03
I wonder when the butland in reina out rumours are going to start
20 Jul 2012 21:54:41
Anybody know of any websites to watch the pool match 2moro night apart from the obvious one
Cheers
Its on ESPN, If ya don't have try Firstrowsports
20 Jul 2012 21:50:33
I understand some fans frustration at what appears to be slow movement in the transfer window, concerns over the motivation of the owners and worries over players leaving;- I've had my wobbles myself several times over the last few weeks. I've been going the game for over 25 years, man and boy, and every year I've asked myself and debated with friends if this is the year, the big one, who were signing, we're we need strengthening and our apparent weaknesses.
I have nothing new to say, and don't think that just cos I go the games I have any more right to an opinion than anyone else, but my own thoughts are these;
I'd rather have fsg that gillet n hicks, they've made serious investment both in the club and players. The players did not work out last season so I can understand a level of caution now;- if it was your business you would probably do the same.
BR will settle and do well but needs time, if not he'll go and we'll get someone else. The real issue for us supporters is waiting for the "plan" and rebuilding exercise to reach fruition.
I've waited years and still am, and in that time we've had a level of succes. Who mows I may have to wait one or two seasons more, or one or two managers more, but I will see it in my lifetime.
Believe me when I say I am a natural pessimist, but have faith, be patient and enjoy the show. This year may be the big one, Dempsey may be the new Mcallister (hands you protractors then?) Suarez may leave along with Skirtl and Agger, Pepe too may want to move back to Spain to stake a claim one the number one there, who could
Blame him? Look back at the teams we've had, fact is they all have to move on or retire, so what;- support the team, support the now!
Save the moaning till after the match, not now, and pls don't call radio merseyside for the football fans football moan in, let's leave that for the other lot!
All, answer me this; what should we do when we walk through a storm? Some of you are forgetting or choosing to forget!
Please, please get behind the manager, the team and the new players. I don't know what the owners are in it for but it's probably money, and I'm sure they know that in the long run they will need to invest some more for us to push on, but they have made it clear they want some stability, they are not the two clowns, so give them the benefit of the doubt, if they end up selling us, so what, they won't was us in the first division when they do.
Please don't read this as a rant as its not, it's my opinion, one you may share, or not, but I've paid for my season ticket, I'll be sat in the Kop in a few weeks and I'll be singing before kick off;- who's coming with me?
20 Jul 2012 21:48:38
Can I just raise a point, Joe Allen, aaran Ramsey, tom cleverly, three of the top british young cm. COMPLETELY OUTCLASSED by the Brazilians.... Why do they cost so much!?? Rethink the transfer policy, we're wasting millions... Jayo.
Yes because those particular Brazilians can all be gotten on the cheap! What, maybe only a £100M+ for their midfield?
The brazillians in that team are around 15-40 million.
BthekingB
20 Jul 2012 20:01:45
Hi ed(s) wondering if you knew how villian bjyev did while he was on loan {Ed001's Note - I don't sorry.}
20 Jul 2012 20:52:32
To all the Joe Allen fans who compare him to Xavi.
Have u seen him make one pass forward that has actually gone to a fellow GB member because i haven't, and have you seen how easily he is getting knocked from the ball by little framed players such as Oscar and Neymar.
Nothing unusual to what i seen him play like for Swansea last season so know surprise to me that he is playing like that as i have never rated him but just wanted all you Fifa lovers to watch the game and see for your self.
Right so you base this on one game, that game so happens to be the 1st game after preseason training, oh and preseason was how long, 1 week, give it a rest muppet, don't judge players on one match
Agreed he was totally outfought outthought and outclassed by the brazilian midfield tonight
Completely fair to analyse his performance in a team that's never played together managed by a footballing Trogdolyte like Stuart Pearce.
Agree, not saying he is bad but we could do better. Then again Rodgers knows him and I guess he will fit into his style but still..
Sorry mate, most British players are very average.
English teams look good only because of the foreign players.
I did say i watched him most of last season aswell and went to most of the Swansea games as i only live an hour away in a town called Narbeth.
So i can judge him u muppet.
20 Jul 2012 20:52:23
oscar looks a very talented and graceful player
tom1975
20 Jul 2012 20:46:24
What is the point of Team GB? Further evidence to prove that all of the home nations can't retain possession? Or a further attempt to prove the FA love child Pearce can manage? He can't!
Dirks Engine Room
It's been one game you muppet, give it a rest
Intelligent response. Well done. Name? Jim
Henson?
Dirks Engine Room
20 Jul 2012 20:44:03
Just in case anyone else is watching Brazil - GB, and before the how good/bad is Allen/sturridge/Neymar conversations start, let me just say this:
I have spent about ten minutes explaining to the girlfriend the basic idea of football. She is now undeniably more qualified to stand on a touchline and coach a football team than Stuart Pearce. He may Have a better left peg than she does, but she does both 'psycho' and now 'football coach' better than him.
I was looking forward to watching what Allen could contribute tonight, but I hope no one judges him on what SP has them all doing. Which is something along the lines of: 'go out there and, er, be like fiery and, er, first to the ball. Oh and like score.if you can.'
BigBadBen
Just had a 45 minute argument with my mate about why Pearce shouldn't be placed in such a position of responsibility.
He's managed England U21's, the full England side (albeit temporarily) and now Team GB.
How has he got these jobs? Have I missed something?
Without sounding too dramatic and this may seem a bit harsh on 'Psycho' - but this is exactly what's wrong with English football.
Enthusiasm and fist pumping is considered equal to skill, technique, finesse and intelligence.
The decision to give the England captaincy to Scott Parker over Gerrard underlines what he values in a player.
"Here you go Scotty, you deserve this armband because when we're under intense pressure and our backs are against the wall in a typically English fashion - you're the best shot blocker I've ever seen.
Sorry Stevie, I just haven't seen you do enough as Liverpool skipper to justify it"
I actually feel a bit guilty typing this as he's probably a nice bloke and he obviously cares - but he just hasn't got a clue.
Joe {Ed001's Note - this 'nice guy', came out after Hillsborough spouting off about how disgraceful the Liverpool fans were that day. Then he had to later admit that he didn't actually know what was happening or see anything from where he was. But he still maintains that Liverpool fans were to blame. The man is an imbecile.}
OK sorry Ed001 I'd never actually heard that about him.
Joe {Ed001's Note - not your fault mate, I just wanted to let you know that he is no nice guy.}
Thank God I am not English.
Reality is, most British players are c*ap!
20 Jul 2012 20:43:12
joe allen getting a lesson in possesion football from the brazilians!!!!!!
1st game in an unknown side after 1 week together, you sir are a clown
Put Joe Allen in Brazil's team and see what happens. It's not his fault that Team GB are awful and cant pass the ball to each other.
20 Jul 2012 21:44:35
3 things to note from todays game, GB vs Brazil.
1) Allen showed at international level he is still calm on the ball and a better player than Cork, Ramsey and Cleverly.
2) Sturridge showed he is not very good; selfish and doesn't try hard enough for the team and not world class.
3) Neymar is a total person but also world class and would stroll into any team.
Ben
I sense "person" is the product of some editing ?
derryred
20 Jul 2012 21:39:22
If we are going to bid for a welsh midfielder then I hope it's Ramsey! Oh and if we are looking at a keeper then young jack butler looks very good! ( top work eds ) Craig... South Wales
Butland, he must be great for you know his name
Ben
20 Jul 2012 21:38:49
sick of people writing adams. its adam! charlie 'mudafuda' adam!!
Probably the same people that write Johnston instead of Johnson
Red Raw
Have a deep breath in.... and release.
derryred
20 Jul 2012 21:35:07
Liverpool need to be making Jack Butland their next signing, great young english keeper.
Baz
20 Jul 2012 21:34:56
Hey Eds, great site
Out of the following we have been linked with who in your personal opinion do you think would benefit us the most?
Sturridge, walcott, sinclair, moses - similar positions.
I am a fan of sinclair and hoped we would make a move before rodgers even came in.
What do you reckon
Cheers
Ryan R {Ed001's Note - none of them, none of them are good enough, only Walcott knows what the word pass means and he is just useless at it.}
Of those 4? Walcott by a mile. Like Ed said though, I'd prefer a 5th option.
Completly agree walcottmhead and shoulders above others but still would prefer another option or two
20 Jul 2012 21:24:03
from what i seen tonight from team gb then it dont look good for the olympics. stand out player was allen.
simo85
Stand out, he was overawed in midfield by a classy looking brazil side, he looked lost, love to see his pass completion ratio for that game as it was closerto fifty percent than 90
20 Jul 2012 21:18:18
please stop with all the negativity around fsg and br lets get behind them and show them what its like to be the owners manager and fans of our great club
thetxxxx
20 Jul 2012 21:16:32
Ins :-
Cavani
Ramirez
Higuain
Outs :-
Common sense
Brain
Reality
I like this one. blue peter badge for origionality.
derryed
20 Jul 2012 21:15:23
people on here that think the players we bought last year were awful and that just every other player you look up on youtube you see buts of the season on there high the link is jordan henderson i think people should have a look at it and see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE9T46YamvQ&feature=related
Cheers JJ
I agree mate, the lad has great potential and works hard. He is a great passer with vision as well - look at what happened with lucas, confidence to a player makes a huge difference, and the lad can be a really top player, don't care what others say. Far better than Joe Allen. Conor Coady is another player to look out for if given a chance, captain material as well..
Great link, JJ. I quite like Henderson a lot as well. From what I hear, he's one of the hardest trainers we've got on the team and never complains about anything. He also generally wins the little skill contests and such they show on LFC TV occasionally (granted keepy-uppy doesn't make someone world class but it does show his general ability with the ball is higher than I think most give him credit for).
I like Hendo and i think he is better than Allen so we don't need to waste money.
20 Jul 2012 21:12:58
Neymar - weak, Oscar - club foot, Hulk - frail, santos - headless rooster.
Allen - accomplished.
Ultra red - Banter
Hulk isn't frail mate. i thought he played well tonight but in watching him for porto i know he is selfish. chelsea can spend a ridiculous amout of money on him if the want.
derryred
20 Jul 2012 21:11:09
Joe allen looks very composed out there tonight, bettet than cleverly or oscar, I would be very pleased to see him at liverpool
Grimsby red
You must need an eye test if you think Allen is better than Oscar.
Oscar had a much better game than Allen, that's being realistic. Allen had good movement but only made very simple passes, his playmaking skills were not on show tonight.
Oscar had a better attacking trio to hit. also allen was a holding player whilst oscar was more of an attacking midfielder.
derryred
20 Jul 2012 21:06:57
Watching this GB v brazil match, and allen really doesnt look the 15m quality player people are claiming he is. He doesnt run at players hes not really a 'dribbler' which is what we need, hes got a reasonable touch and passes it from side to side, basically another henderson. We really need to be a signing a Brazilian/south american type creative midfielder as they posses the attributes we need to add to our midfield. Please move on from Allen, especially if we're going to pay 15m, hes just not worth it and cant see him bringing much to the club or anything we dont have already.
LJ
You must be one of the only people who hasn't heard of tika taka
20 Jul 2012 21:00:25
Apologies, this has have nothing to do with LFC. But Stuart Pearce is a terrible, terrible manager.
'Rant over'
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - now, now, Blair, there are terrible managers out there, but Pearce is certainly not one. He is nowhere near good enough to be considered terrible!}
Blair what do you expect? The bloke is as thick as a couple of short ones
Thick + manager = thick manager
Chris in Tamworth
I agree with Ed001. Absolutely Useless. What has he done to deserve such a position ?
He will make a laughing stock out of team GB, Ed mate. Let's just hope they win medals elsewhere because they ain't gona win one for football.
Pearce is a prime example mate of how useless the English FA are. Who else would give this guy a job as manager?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed001's Note - the guy should have been laughed out of football by now, he is a joke.}
Have to careful what we say Chris mate. If BR dosn't get us to the CL next season. Seeing how FSG have handled things so far, he could be our next manager.
Lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
20 Jul 2012 20:39:57
joe allen has yet again failed to impress me. He isnt good enough but oscar is awsome again. LFC are in serious decline.
Agree whole heartedly pal i have never rated Allen anyway.
Oscar the 25 - 30 million rated midfielder, likely to want around double Allen's wages. Funny that.
Papa G
Bit harsh, I think. To be honest, I think everyone on Team GB (aside from Butland) looked rather poor, but that's not surprising given their competition. The Brazilian team that played tonight would, I think, quite possibly be capable of winning the World Cup without some of the more senior players. Probably what £250M+ worth of players on that team? Pretty much would make most teams/individuals look poor.
Can't press disagree enough. Jeez you saw what all this whining did to Henderson last year. A youngster moving to a big club for a big fee with big expectations and scrutiny. But the fans were on his back from day 1 and what happened? He had a really tough season. Allen is in the exact same position- learn from the past, support him! I mean for heaven's sake, he hasn't even signed yet! We're called 'supporters' for a reason- or we're supposed to be.
DP
The lad looks every inch a Liverpool player always wants the ball, never hides, great feet and smarts... I like him
Good God. It was a friendly in the first game of pre season. Against Brazil. With Stuart Pearce as GBs Manager.
'Oscar is awesome again'. It was probably the first time you've ever seen him play.
Did I just read that Oscar was awesome? He turned away from two players first half and thought he looked good. Second half just went missing entirely though he is one of the Brazilian up and coming stars potentially on the books of one of our rivals so must be a world beater! Allen on the other hand gave away possession prob three times all evening and played a less familiar defensive role more akin to what Britton plays for Swansea but because he didn't produce a swashbuckling attacking midfield performance that automatically makes him less than average. Oh well must be crap let's bring Igor biscan back!
Cheers
Greggers
That brasil team has played togather for quite some time whilst it was team GB's first match. oscar had the luxury of having neymar, sandro, marcelo, hulk, damiao and such around him whilst allenn had cleverly, sturridge, rose and such like that.
derryred
20 Jul 2012 20:37:56
what about keeping carroll and getting krul ?
I agree, Carroll needs to stay and Krul is a good keeper, wouldn,t say no to Jack Butland either.
What do we need Krul for ? Reina is well better than him.
20 Jul 2012 20:25:42
Hi eds
First time poster here, love the site, on it everyday. My question is what would be the thinking in getting Joe Allen in ahead of someone like say Ramirez who in a lot of people's opinion is a much better player for around the same price?
cheers J {Ed001's Note - for one it would be nowhere near the same price, his wages would be a lot less. For two he knows the Prem and so shouldn't need time to adjust to the pace of it, Serie A is not as strong as it used to be. Thirdly he is a player Brendan knows well and knows what he is like to work with, whether he responds well to coaching etc, rather than an unknown quantity. Fourthly he is classed as homegrown, I believe.}
Totally agree with the poster. Stop buying British players for inflated prices.
Would still prefer to take the chance on Ramirez because to me he is twice the player with more technical ability.
We all know what happened so called PL or home grown players last year instead of likes of Mata, Turan etc. Don't try to convince us again with same nonsense.
AJ
But he doesn't have anything like the ability Ramirez does.
Didnt take luis suarez longto settle ,nor dirk kuyt if iremember , nor fernando torres
Yet it has taken carroll 18months, downing stillnot yet, henderson same as downing
Why are we comparing Allen to Ramirez? Allen - controlling midfielder, Ramirez - Attacking midfielder. The two are completely different.
20 Jul 2012 20:23:00
joe allen doesnt look much kop against the brazil side.......
What are you talking about? He hardly misplaced a pass! He can keep the ball well and that is what we want!
BthekingB
Leave a name so we know who you are, so we can ignore all your posts
Doesn't look 15 million pounds worth ,and no better than we already have .save the cash. Cheers psv
Gerrard didn't look much cop against Italy in the Euros, what's your point?
David
Never looked much kop glad people are realising finally.
Funny that.... Hulk can't score against team GB lol!!
20 Jul 2012 20:20:24
Hi all,
Just to let you all know that I have just profiled Joe Allen, and it is available over on the player profiles website, so please do take a look, and I look forward to hearing your feedback, negatives and positives.
Furthermore, I will soon have finished a profile on Clint Dempsey, which will also be posted, adn have finished and posted a profile on Redmond, a future star, who may move to Liverpool.
Thanks
Burnsy
20 Jul 2012 20:10:55
heard chelsea are trying to sign as many family members of eden hazard as possible
20 Jul 2012 20:10:14
20 minutes in and Allen looks lost. Makes Sandro look like Iniesta. Allen is not worth anywhere near 20 million.
20 Jul 2012 20:09:59
Liverpool need to snap up Allen before the price goes up, he's gonna have a quality olympics
You must of watched a different match mate. He looked very mediocre, and everytime he tried to pull of a relatively tricky pass it failed. Not judging him just on 1 game but it's not looking too good.
20 Jul 2012 19:52:05
for all those putting an opinion of joe allen on here before the possibility of him arriving should sit and watch him in GB team in the coming weeks.
he's about to play the midfield controlling role in 4-3-3 system on a big stage for us all to see in quite a few games.
maybe you should all watch him, likelihood is many opinions will change in the next couple of weeks.
personally, i think we're desperate for someone to come into that hole next to lucas who will control the game and free stevie g to play further up the pitch.
s.p
I think your hypothesis has failed my friend. He didn't look impressive at all
Not really, he was better/more composed than ramsey & cleverley up against some of the best u23's in the world.
to judge him solely on tonight's performance would just be naive and to use the word hypothesis isn't so clever when you didn't read my post entirely. my post actually stated, 'opinions will change in the next couple of weeks.'
brendan rodgers has obviously seen what many of us did last year, when players like charlie adam are pressed really early in these areas that allen patrolled at swansea, they more than likely conceed possession. tottenham highlighted this early in the season at white hart lane and it's an area that needs to be resolved in regards to playing alongside lucas.
20 Jul 2012 19:44:39
See how joe allen gets on in the GB match now. He could price himself out on a move to us
20 Jul 2012 19:36:49
Hello eds and reds if joe allen has a good game tonight how many fans do you think will be on here demanding we sign him straight away. Motd fever big time heading your way...
Stewyb
People who reckognise a football player have been hoping we sign him anyway, not just because he looked the best midfielder out there tonight
My point being was for the fans who are questioning the interest in Allen will now be cryin out for us to sign him. Some fans aren't interested unless your a household name no matter the quality
Stewyb
20 Jul 2012 19:35:38
www.financialfairplay.co.uk/
Worth a read, exspecially on the liverpool part which goes on about understanding out accounts. Makes you realise what difficulty the club has in trying to make the champions league while not spending ridiculous amounts of money.
Bilverstone
Ynwa
jft96
20 Jul 2012 19:33:42
"FSG who saved us"
There is at least 8 posts that I counted in the banter page with words like "FSG saved us" ..
They did n't ,they bought the club for a very good price (way below forbes evaluation of the club at the time), there were at least 2 maybe 3 other genuine bidders that would've bought instead.
This is not "FSG bad" or "FSG good" post, just the fact that they made a very decent financial investment and they will be looking at a healthy return when they have enough.
Roy
Roy, you sir are totally wrong, did you see anyone else in the courts fighting for us, don't think so, they have given us a chance at a future, don't really know much do you. Change your name to red faced Roy from now on would you
Big red g
Doesn't matter whether it's FSG good or bad, whether they have made a good investment or not, whether we were cheap or not - fact is if they hadn't bought us when they did, administration and Championship football is where we would be now.
So whether you like them or not - just be thankful for them.
John B
A financial investment that lost o we 100 million in the last 18 months alone.
Spot on Roy
It is not like there was no-one else out there that thought a club like Liverpool with it's history and fan base was worth buying a below Market value price
Leam Red
Did you see anyone else in the courts fighting for us, don't think so, they have given us a chance at a future,
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just be thankful for them
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Those that were in court and were fighting tooth and nail to get a deal through in time were Broughton and Purslow, NESV were involved because it was their bid, and why the court case, because their bid under valued the club massively , so in a way they were one reason we went to court.
But the credit should go to Broughton and Purslow its these 2 with Ayre and the legal team that worked with them deserves all the thanks, but of course the simple minded would not appreciate them because they no longer associated with Liverpool or involved in buying or selling players.
A financial investment that lost o we 100 million
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Not sure what you meant lost 100m , if you mean the money invested in players then its money towards the value of the club and not lost, apart from the money they spent buying the club , they have given a 30m interest free loan (which is better than most other owners do) , and 120m loan facility from the banks which the club is responsible for and not them .. If they want to sell tomorrow at the club market value they will make a profit.
don't really know much do you. Change your name to red faced Roy from now on would you
Big red g
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Ah well, you obviously now it all , good for you..I bet its Big as in Fat ?
Roy
20 Jul 2012 19:28:53
Starting to worry being liked with such average player for example Allen, Sinclair, and Dempsey BR needs to realize he is managing Liverpool FC now and not little Swansea am starting to wish we had Martinez or Rafa back now.
Martinez no be the same as BR.
Rafa maybe, but depends on what money we have. He did buy some goods players when we had funds. But the lesser players shall we say where shocking.
To be honest i think we have to realise that we are not the team we used to be. We need more income and CL football before we can start to make big signings, simple as that
Martinez ? as in Roberto Martinez ? Give over will ya.
Not the bloody Benitez was great brigade - 2 trophies in 6 years, one with Houlliers team which his team selection almost cost us and a lucky win over West Ham - get real, and get behind BR, he can't be any worse.
John B
Show some respect to both BR an 'little Swansea' nameless wonder. They beat us last game away last season and played well at Anfield. Try to get it through your moronic little mind that we are not the all dominant force we used to be. The world changed 20 years ago and we did not change with it , so we need a new start and new direction with prudent, commercially aware owners.
Will it work for BR? I don't know. It is a brave move with a forward thinking coach, (although NLP obsessed by some of his comments) who believes in a way of playing.
Buy in or ship out it seems, but don't write the guy off before he has started.
Evs the Red
20 Jul 2012 19:26:33
Ed, would u class Dempsey as a striker? Or would you expect, if Carroll is sold after the 'iminent' signing of Dempsey, that another striker would b added to Suarez, Borini and Dempsey ? {Ed001's Note - I would class him as a striker but would still expect another forward player.}
20 Jul 2012 19:26:05
I don't think most of you understand what BR stands for and wants to achieve. Look we're never going to be Barcelona, nor the Spanish national side. But we can create a team with the ability to control a game, press the ball high up the pitch and create genuine goal scoring chances.
If anyone ever questions where a game is won and lost, it's all about ball control, patience and a dominant midfield. If you control the ball you wear the other team out, you create spaces to exploit ad you rarely get caught out of possession ring susceptible to a swift counter (unless it's a very good one).
The reason Liverpool struggled so much in the second half of last season was the loss of Lucas. No some (not many), still don't know what he brings to our team. Personally I think he's the best defensive midfielder in the league (Yaya is more box to box, plus he got spanked by Lucas last season) and he's top 5 in that position in world football along with Busquets, Masch, Vidal and possibly M'Vila if Alonso doesn't really count. Lucas man marked Silva out of the game and almost single handidly bossed both Chelsea and Uniteds midfield in recent years. He has such great positioning, upper body strength and tackling and he never gives up. He also uses the ball sensibly and can thread a decent through ball if ever in the position. Him hopefully fit nd alongside Allen with really control games, giving the four in front of them great freedom to go and attack.
I know a lot are moaning about how many midfielders we have, but it's obvious a couple are moving on. It seems likely that Allen, Lucas and Gerrard will start. The backup will be Spearing, Henderson and probably Adam. Aquilani will go and I think Shelvey is likely to go on loan, although I'd prefer to keep him and sell Adam. That makes 6 plus Suso and Coady, who bot may feature but likely to be in Europa and the Carling Cup.
That seems like a good balance and something we need to maintain for a long hard season. If we get the midfield balance right now it'll work well for the future. Allen, Lucas, Suso, Shelvey, Cand Henderson can fill those roles for years to come
I think the policy for us has to lean that way. I know certain players should be brought for now, but building a suistainable future is the key. Instead of summers shipping out 6 or 7 and buying for. You let a couple depart in just bring in one or two, perhaps allowing a little more on these and less
"But we can create a team with the ability to control a game, press the ball high up the pitch and create genuine goal scoring chances."
Eh, we did all this last season - again and again! We just couldn't put the ball in the pokey!
We don't need a revolution - we just need BR to build some confidence and get last year's squad motivated for all our games and not just those in the cups and against the 'big' fellas.
Yes but we stillneed more guile skill and pace in the final third, cos if suarez gets injured we have no one who can create a piece of magic on a regular basis
20 Jul 2012 19:14:27
It is interesting that some are starting to question the motives in FSG buying the club or indeed why pitch up at LFC or indeed the ability of FSG to put more monies into the club?I found the following regarding an interview with John Henry
Henry concedes they knew "virtually nothing" about the Premier League, or soccer for that matter, before buying the club, but recognizing the global reach and moneymaking potential of the sport didn't require much expertise
Now if I read that correctly that suggests to me that FSG view LFC in much the same way as the Glazers view MU
Thoughts?
They're businessmen, they're in it to make money. The only way this can be achieved is for the club to be successful.
They have backed Kenny financially and they're know backing Rodgers, but they're not ever going to spend hundreds of millions on the team.
JRG
It is really sad that people like you look for any reason to put the finger at an american and say that they are trying to ruin the club. Bottom line is FSG bought Liverpool when they badly needed it so whether or not they knew anything about the premier league shouldnt matter too much. Secondly, the people that buy clubs are in the end business men, there arent endless amounts of Abrahamovich's in the world who can just splash out millions and not need to make profits. FSG made some mistakes in the first year as owners but they also made moves like buying Suarez and putting together a team who won us the carling cup. The owners are trying to right there mistakes and they are trying to run the club efficiently and productively so stop looking for a reason to turn on the owners because honestly its pathetic, as a liverpool supporter you should be proud and support everything that has to do with the club.
JerseyRed
They may have had the same view as the glazers in terms of the global brand that Liverpool represents but they did not buy the club in the same way. FSG used their own money to buy the club and the Glazers did not.
Everyone says that FSG are not mega rich.... They found 300 million to buy us though!!
Utd are 400 million pounds in debt and are attempting to sell shares which dont give the shareholder any say in the running of the club and also do not pay a dividend to the shareholder.... Give us your money for nothing in other words.... Desperate situation in my opinion.
Utd in would be in trouble the moment they ever finished outside the top 4...
jonnybarnes89-90
My thoughts are that people should shut up about things they know nothing about.
The reality is that just by being in the EPL is the money making bit.
What do they say something along the lines of theres none so blind.
Anyone doubting should look comparitively at the Red Socks and the Tampa Bay Buccs, the Glazers have sucked them dry!
SideShowBob {Ed002's Note - There is a bunch of misinformation in the above posts that should never have made it thorough.}
20 Jul 2012 18:44:20
swansea have signed michu for a bargain 2 million,and want to do us for15 million on allen, 11 million tops
they ve also got jonathan de guzman on a seasons loan too ,couple of good signing by the swans
OMG that joe allen is so rubbish 15 million no thanks,have you seen him tonight for team GB so so so poor.
Everyone thinks they can take us for a ride because of stupid comolli
20 Jul 2012 18:38:35
Got a question for you? Do you think since Kenny spent over the odds on 3 players (who were average last season) has had an affect on how much clubs are asking for players when we enquire?
Totally, the take the piss, they paid 16m for henderson ,they ll pay 15 million for allen. 11 m takeit or leave it and find a better target abroad cheaper
How very true mate.Once a big club came in the price went up 10 fold....
Yes we all know we over spent on players last summer, but if u look at it, Adam played well until Lucas got injured, Henderson played on right midfield when he's actually a central midfielder n we need to play him there to get the best out of him, downing only showed little signs of what he can do, Coates will be a fantastic player, Carroll was coming good towards the end of the season but looks like he will be on his way soon although I'd of given him this season to prove himself now he looks to have settled..... We played some quality football last season n the only thing that was missing was the most important thing in football.... The finishing touch.... So if we can sort that out we should be near top 4 hopefully...... Let's get behind the team instead of complaining about them already even though they haven't even played a game yet...... Believe in us n we will get to where we want to be.....
Surely by walking away from the Sigurdson deal it shows that we won't be held to ransom. In a similar vein we should walk away from the Dempsey deal if Fulham ask silly money for him.
David
20 Jul 2012 18:37:00
with allen looking likely to come in
that leaves us with a lot of central midfielders
lucas gerrard allen likely to be first three
henderson aquilani adam spearing surely two of these will be departing the scene
still think aquilani wil lbe leaving and maybe even adam
You forgot to mention Joe cole and shelvey we have so many central midfield pairs it's ridiculous - as long as none of these play a wide role i' m not bothered
Henderson will fill into SG position when he hang's up his boot's.As for Shelvey i really rate the lad but he need's to start playing more....Cheer's,YNWA!!
Spearing, Adam and Aquilani out. Lucas Gerrard Allen (if he gets bought) to start with hendo, shelvey, coady and suso as back up.
SideShowBob
20 Jul 2012 18:35:37
Can I bet on joe Allen to Liverpool?? Thx sean {Ed022's Note - I'm not your mum.}
Lol good one Ed i think he meant was there any betting sites with the betting odds.
Serious question to liverpool fans ? have you seen that joe allen tonight,he is so bad really bad,you can not be serious about buying him for anywere close to 15 million,if you fans stick up for him then you have truely lost the plot LOL boys he is rubbish.
I doubt it as most bookmakers are refusing to offer odds on him joining liverpool!
scousedel
Oddschecker, if there is anythin to be bet on, the odd's from all bookies will be on that site.
Carb
20 Jul 2012 18:27:11
i have a question for everyone
everyone seems to be banging on about allens pass ratio being near the top of europe
what percentage of his passes led to match defining moments like goals, or percentage of tackles saved certain goals
i feel this is more important than his pass completion rate. what percentage of his passes led to goalscoring opportunities?
tom1975
Totally agree and said the same thing as it just annoys me when fickle fans compare him to Xavi.
Skurks
Depends who the killer balls are going to. If they're going to the likes of Suarez, dempsy, borini and gerrard then expect them to be put away.
I know where you're coming from but Allen has shown he's one of the best around at keeping the ball,as good as anyone we alredy have here so i'd take him all day regardless of his stats.
J.C
In order to score a goal you must have posession and with some one like Allen to keep the ball it will lead to a goal
I think last season we had many scoring opportunities, and Allen would only increase that. What we need is clinical finishing from the forward men.
Possession & retention is key frustrate & tire the opposition
However we have a better playmaker baseline tackler already in lucas
tom1975
20 Jul 2012 18:22:26
This is a question I want to throw out to everybody, as I'm not sure ht ED will know the answer.
We seem only to have one home friendly again this year. Should I expect more home friendlies to be announced, or will there only be the one?
Thanks
Burnsy {Ed022's Note - There will be more friendlies announced I expect, but I can't guarantee that due to European competition etc.}
Ok, thanks. Its hard to get to weekend prem games, but far far easier to get to pre season friendlies. Hopefully there are more to be announced. *fingers crossed*.
Thanks Ed,
Burnsy
No ed. There won't be anymore home friendlies.
If you go back over the seasons [Inter Milan, Parma, Valencia etc] there has only ever been one Home Friendly & sometimes not even that. European fixtures have usually dictated matters, dont expect any others being arranged .
Leyland Wool
20 Jul 2012 18:01:43
{Ed022's Note - There has been a Player Profile Updated on Kevin Strootman of PSV. Last year Liverpool made an enquiry about him, and could well be still interested. Check out the profile for more information. - www.player-profiles.co.uk - Cheers all.}
20 Jul 2012 17:59:58
GB Men v Brazil Men is it on tv tonight?
Bbc, you are online and you cant check this, or even your epg on tv
On the Beeb website I think mate.
Thanks
Burnsy
Its on and the brazilian midfield are running rings round joe allen
Guarantee joe allens pass completion ratio tonight against brazil is less than 60 percent
In direction opposition against oscar allen isnt even in the game yet oscar looks like a quality player, not just allens fault he has no options when he recieves the ball
team gb totally outclassed
brazil spain final
The guy who said he thinks Allens pass completion would be under 60% was right lol.
20 Jul 2012 17:58:52
Why have Liverpool only been at home 3 times in the last 10 years on opening day? - on two occasions to Aresnal and Spurs respectively? Thefixtures are not been done fairly.
Gazman
We have to play all the teams anyway, i say its better to get some of the big teams out of the way first, with some good results (hopefully) we can push on and challenge for fourth
I think you'll find we've been at home to Chelski, Gooners [2010] & Sunderland [2011].
20 Jul 2012 17:58:04
Eds not about transfers but how do you rate FSG's running of the club and sorting out the H&G mess and do you think process has been made? {Ed022's Note - Progress* has certainly been made financially, you'd have to be an idiot to argue against that.}
20 Jul 2012 17:48:29
Hi Ed's,
Can you please clear something up for me. Read and heard conflicting information as to wether or not Joe Allen has a minimum release fee clause. Could you please shed some light on this.
Cheers,
Rascal Red {Ed022's Note - He does not.}
20 Jul 2012 17:47:20
Liverpool should bid for van persie we can take him for 22 millions... what do u think ed? especially he was singing (YNWA) on a TV show 3 years ago {Ed022's Note - No.}
I keep reading these posts and enough is enough! I love Liverpool as much as any one but why would van p come to us do you not ask your self that before you post he wouldn't and it don't take half a. Brain to work that out god dam it while we are bidding for van p what he'll lets go for modric aswell what about Alonso they are not gonna happen use your brai.
Deanalfie.
20 Jul 2012 17:40:07
Michu cost Swansea £2m. However if we were signing him it wouldve been 15m. You have to realise that teams hold big clubs to ransom.
Man utd bought carrick and hargreaves for 20m each, which is double what they were worth. It isnt just us who overpay, every big team has too.
Therefore Allen will cost 15m as opposed to around 8m for a smaller team.
Hounsred
I agree mate and its our own fault because in the past we have have ended up paying what teams and players want but what happened with sigurdson shows rodgers wont be held to ransom
lfc liam
If a smaller team came in, 1)Allen would probably not want to leave. 2)Swansea would probably say we don't want to sell him, as it will cost us 8m to replace him, what the point.
redphil
Try telling that to FSG,every, and I mean
every club gets ripped off on players
it's not exclusive to LFC,WAKE UP.....
auntie annie
So dont sign allen if they re asking 15 million,look elsewhere for a similar player across europe and get him cheaper
We might need an independent player valuation organisation who set a guide price on a particular player at the beginning of the season and it w'ont change until the next season starts. Then all clubs will be at the same point and the player can then negotiate personal terms. Some selling clubs are like dodgy car dealers! {Ed016's Note - 'Arry the salesman}
20 Jul 2012 17:34:07
If we signed Joe Allen, our Centre Midfielders for next season would be:
Steven Gerrard, Lucas, Charlie Adam, Joe Allen, Jordan Henderson, Jay Spearing, Jonjo Shelvey, Joe Cole, Alberto Aquilani and Suso.
11 Centre Midfielders is way too many. Of course, Suso won't be a predomonant fixture in the first team, but he's still an option.
Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Henderson are the four that I would put down as definates to stay. Id like Adam to stay and would only allow Shelvey to leave on loan. Cole will be given a chance, and if Aquilani can't be sold, he'll still be here too.
That leaves Spearing, and whilst his determination and attitude has never failed to impress, he is not Liverpool standard and surely has to be sold to allow room for all of the other players.
That still leaves 8 (9 if Shelvey doesn't leave on loan). Whilst we're likely to play a middle 3, and perhaps 2 or 3 on the bench, that still leaves 2 not frequently involved. My middle 3 would include Gerrard and Lucas, but I cannot choose the other player.
My question to the Eds is how do you think Rodgers will cope with having so many players in one position on his hands, and who would you think most likely to leave.
Cheers
CSE9 {Ed022's Note - More information will come about after the tour, as he would have had time to evaluate the squad.}
Spearing and Adam, neither good enough.
Would like Aqualani but heart not in it so he will go too.
redphil
Well first off, you only counted out 10 midfielders, not 11. ;)
Imo, Spearing will probably be be let go. He's a good hearted lad, but he just isn't that good. Aquilani, whilst talented, has never seemed comfortable at Liverpool and I'd be surprised if he's here at the end of the window. Adam might leave if someone offered right money, but I suspect he won't be actively flogged (figuratively speaking) or be forced out.
I wouldn't count Joe Cole as a central midfielder, even though he could go there in a pinch (so could Downing). Any appearances he'll make will probably be as one of the front three if he stays.
That leaves Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Hendo, Shelvey, and probably Adam. 6 'first team' centre mids in total. Remember we'll have Thursday football this season, so there's room for rotation that there wasn't last season. Then there's youth / reserves like Coady and Suso. I reckon at least one of them will get a look in here and there.
- Something Red -
We'll hopefully have alot of games this year and need as many midfielders, i would expect cole to play in one of the front three positions and i still think aqualani to leave, suso will prod go out on loan, also you never know what could happen injuries suspentions etc
CSE9
May I ask who decides what is Liverpool Standard? Is there a specific method to make this evaluation?
Although Spearing is not accord Class Footballer he is cheap and helps Liverpool fill the quota of homegrown players in the squad and can do a reasonable job against weaker Premiership opposition.
By your standards, many of Liverpool's 70's and 80's championship players would have been dubbed not Liverpool Standard. Players like Sammy Lee, Ronnie Whelan, Ian Rush, Kevin Keegan, etc were not World Beaters when they arrived. They did however want to play for Liverpool and put their bodies on the line. They eventually became very very good players. But it took time. spearing may not get to their level but he is only 23 and has time to improve.
I would take one Jay Spearing over One Alberto Aquilani any day. Putting the club before your ego is what a Liverpool player is all about.
So stop the shinning and start supporting the Lad.
Orrin Middleton
20 Jul 2012 17:32:02
Hey if you guys sign Kevin Mirallas you have a very bright player who is basically a foreign Walcott with a decent footballing brain and the fee being touted wouldnt be that bad either and it would also signal the end for Downing i believe unless he was dropped....Maybe Sinclair will be bought in instead to be honest as BR likes him
20 Jul 2012 17:30:36
On the Joe Allen hype,
I feel a £12Million with £3Million in add ons based on appearances and certain criteria would be a good deal. If Swansea play hard then dish out £15Million.
One thing is for certain, the lad is highly highly talented. Won MOTM awards many a time and very composed in possession. His pass completion rate is there for all to see and his performances against us are more than commendable.
Having played for BR already, he'll be no stranger to his training methods and will be an example to others of what is required.
Also a young player who, if lives up to his potential, could be world class and double, even triple in value.
His arrival will surely mark the end of one or two midfielders we currently have on our books. Spearing? Adam? Aquilani? Cole? Shelvey on loan?
People criticising BR for taking time on his targets. He is identifying what exactly he needs for his model to work. It would be all well and good buying Ramirez, Cavani etc (ignoring the fact that they wouldnt even come to us at the moment) and seeing them confused for half the season and not fitting in to what we want i.e. Carroll - A fantastic upcoming player who didnt get the support he got at Newcastle because thsts not how we play.
In short, would you prefer the player to fit the designed system or the system to be adjusted and tweaked to fit the player? A mind**** yes, but I know which one id prefer.
Thanks
RedSox69
What percentage of his pass cmpletion ratio were key passes that led to goals??
far more important i feel than being merely pass it about and retain possesion
First, Allen
I havent seen him to be honest but I would like to think that he is a good player and probably needs another year at Swansea...
That said I would not allow him to go to another club if I was BR...At least try to get him if possible...
But the best way out of this would be to go for him next year....We will know what Henderson and Adams are made of...Spearing's situation might have been sorted along with Cole and Aquilani...and yess Gerrard will be an year older....
As far as Carroll is concerned, he should not be sold and be given a chance to prove himself...We will look very bad if he goes to another club and blossoms....He is a very good player and I will not be surprised if he does....
I like him as he does not shy and is a big game player...He likes when it is tense...That brings the best out of him....Remember the FA Cup semi final and final plus the WC goal against Sweden...
Its true that he may not fit Rodger's style but we arent playing fewer games this season...
LiverBird
The last thing i would do is end shelvey out on loan. we need someone to compete with gerrard for the am position. Allen is a cm, hence should replace adam.
Indian Buzzer
Everyone who is commenting about Alen's pass completion record and saying that it is not important as they are not key passes needs to take a step back from Championship Manager for a second and think about where he plays... If we did sign Him then it would be Him and Lucas as our holding midfielders.... Both of them wont be the ones playing key passes but they will be playing the pass leading up to the key passes.... If your team scores a goal after a 14 pass move then which pass is the most important?? Surely all of them..... Lucas and Allen would provide the the ammo for our more creative players to cause teams problems... Ronnie Whelan, Molby, etc... Team players who allowed the attacking players to shine... I would like Allen from what I have seen.
jonnybarnes89-90
19 Jul 2012 22:52:06
ed 022 thanks for reply re glenn johnson and chelsea , how do you rate cesar? ive never seen him play , that i remember , and you seemned dissapointed that chelsea seem 9intent on signing him? thanks steviep62 {Ed022's Note - I've profiled him if it helps, although it does need updating.}
20 Jul 2012 17:19:56
according to sky sports there has been another unnamed team in talks with swansea
for allen in my opinion as much as I would like allen at the club I think swansea would rather sell him to the other team if bids are matched so we might have to pay a little bit more than expected
plz reply ed
I am not surprised Sly are saying that at all but the only club in all honesty i could see him moving to is you and he would be a great buy at £12-15million in my opinion he would dictate your play and allow others to roam around etc
That other team will be spurs or Chelsea ,they always go after our targets.
I would like to think that joe allen would want to play under rodgers and if we match their asking price then we would be the favourites to buy him
pato108
20 Jul 2012 17:19:01
Hello ed(s)
Would it be possible to make compulsory on contributors of this site to sign off their posts with a name or tag?
Hundreds of posts come in everyday without a name. Some very intellectual and some just to wind people up.
A stupid comment like "BR wasting money on dross, is he still at Swansea" without a name really gets on my nerves as you cant hold a constructive debate with someone you dont know?
Might be too much to ask for but surely better than the effort of having people register to post?
Thanks
RedSox69
100% agree mate. Love the variety of views on here, but the nameless warriors looking for a reaction are persons, especially when they bitch about the work the Eds do.
BigBadBen
Got to remember everybody has there own views no point getting annoyed about it....you don't have to read them think we should just give our full support to the new signings and manager and get back to supporting the club we all love
I'm all for that suggestion. Count me in ...
dd
20 Jul 2012 17:17:00
Ed's if this Allen fee of 15 is true I think it's a terrible deal not that Allen isn't a quality young player but with our surplus of midfielders don't you feel the money would be better spend on a wing player like Adam Johnson? I believe the City's valuation is around the 15 mark.
With £15 million you should be able to get Dempsey and Adam Johnson -Dempsey because of his age and only 1 year left on contract, and Johnson should be cheap because his value certainly hasn't increased since he left Middlesborough, and he's probably put on weight with the amount of splinters in his backside from the City bench.
John B
A wing player like Johnson, he is terrible, not lightning quick or anywere near being a team player and has a bad attitude. He doesn't play for city because A) He doesn't try in training. B) Has a bad attitude. C) Isn't good enough for them or us, he is far from great and for 15m I would prefer us to go get anyone as at least they wont be a tw*t.
Ben
20 Jul 2012 17:16:12
Just a quick question to the pro F$G nuggets on here, surely surely you must be starting to question there judgement commitment and buisness ability's, I mean, how amaturish was it to be left with your kecks down by announcing on there website that we had signed Clint Dempsey only for them to remove it because Fulham didn't have a jar of glue what F$G were on about because they hadn't even been intouch about the player! Then they announce that AC is surplus to requirements and would be available on loan ( which they quickly did a u-turn on, not the 1st time they have done that either ) then say he is for sale which as the selling club now puts us in a terrible negotiating position with regards to the fee ( if you know football you will know why )!! You can all stay DELUDED about them ( GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ) but my fears about them are starting to look accurate and judging by a few other posts I have seen lately a few other people are starting to open there eyes to them too! Hope I am wrong about them, but I think the YONKS OUT banners will soon be making an appearance!!
Waro
I like the new owners it's just the price that were paying for average players and the players were signing that I don't like
M8 I don't think BR has sed or the club that AC is for sale or loan just that if offer cum s they look at it same as any one , would you turn down 100 million for say reina /Suarez etc people can make offers it up to club to think if it good for us or not ,look at Torres ,as for are owners I hope we try keep in a budget we got players to swap or buy ,think all clubs should do this ,no body wants a (rangers)thing happening to there club and if Chelsea keeps spending hope shoot them selfs in foot when FIFA fair play cums in to play ,wot happened at rangers should be a very big wake up call for football ,if not it will slowly destroy the game. Lfc linc
Actually Rodgers said that Carroll was available on loan, not FSG. Except he didn't really say it either, he said that offers for Andy or anyone else would be considered if they were in the best interests of the club. Which was then twisted into "Carroll is available for loan" by the media. He then later came out and clarified that Carroll wasn't available for loan because that wouldn't be in the best interests of the club.
So get your facts right before you criticise the club's owners, kiddo.
- Something Red - {Ed022's Note - Rodgers said the opposite actually, that Carroll would NOT be put on loan to any club.}
Methinks you are the deluded one - with an awful lot of inaccuracies in your post.
1) No one at the club FSG or BR ( Sly Sports and the media have ) has said Carroll is surplus to requirements.
BR still says EVERY player, not just Carroll has his price, and if that price is met then they will talk about it, and no one knows what Carrolls price could be, all media guesswork again.
The website thing never said they had signed Dempsey - it said he would be joining the tour, it appears one man made a mistake there, but do you always believe the selling club when they say no one has been in contact ( it appears we have ).
Have you ever thought that the banners coming out again could put us in danger of administration again and possibly Championship football.
The club and FSG need support, not the sort of guesswork negativity - you're probably one of those " fans " that believed everything Benitez said, about not getting the backing, he got the backing he just wasted so much of the money given to him.
John B
Considering the massive investment they have put into LFC, stopping the club going into administration or even worse could of happened (look at Rangers) I think a few journalistic mistakes are allowed from there press department.
Maybe some of the fans will get there banners out, hell thats the way we Brits roll, sod the getting behind the team we will just slate the whole organisation to a point where the owners will think "sod this, they don`t appreciate what we try and do, so lets get out of here".
But believing everything the press print could be why your saying such things, or more like reading the press has you confused due to your beano was late being delivered.
rant over......... for now.....sorry folks
kevc
I have full faith in FSG and will always back them against fools like you, they saved our club its as simple as that, and they deserve credit for stabilizing the ship, they also deserve the time to see what they can do, fans like yourself need to take a good long look in the mirror and see what you have become, you also need to realise we cant compete against the mega rich, we should all be thankful to FSG, no one else came in to save us, we were 1 day from going under, so waro either get a grip and support the club and that means everything associated with us or pack your bags sunshine cos you are not welcome
very simple- support the f**in team
big red g
Yes, Waro, the owners are just horrible, horrible people aren't they? They purchased LFC and wipe out the majority of the debt in the process. They brought in a club legend as manager largely to appease the fans. Club losing a ton of money every year, yet they still fund transfers in. They managed to bring in several new lucrative commercial deals to try and help balance the books. Wow, these guys are terrible.
I'll admit they've made a few mistakes (the Dempsey thing is pretty dumb, but it's not like John Henry is sitting there doing website updates himself, is it?), but in general, they've been decent owners and quite supportive. It's a shame that I can't the same about many so-called 'supporters'.
RDL
At least you posted your name Waro so fair play.
I think maybe your judgement is clouded by the presence in the PL of the odd sheik or Russian oil baron (apologies 002..).
FSG snatched LFC from the jaws of a situation far more serious than you seem to grasp. Since then, as has been explained several times by the Eds, they have sucked up some pretty impressive losses. Now I may be proved wrong in the future, but they seem to be trying to get LFC to become a sustainable club, maximising revenue and aiming to achieve success on the pitch, without treating us like a short term billionaires FIFA12 plaything.
If not spending 20-30m + on Gamberini or linguine or any other player whose name ends with a vowel makes you want to unfurl the 'Yonks out' banner, then I suggest that you:
a) look up the word 'sustainabilt'
b) take another look at our clubs rich history, and the principles it was founded on.
And finally,
c) get behind our club, our manager, our players, and respect what our owners have ALREADY done and what they are striving to achieve.
Like you, if I'm wrong I'll be back on here to say so. But in the meantime, we are LFC - none of us walk alone (FSG included)
BigBadBen
20 Jul 2012 17:14:51
Anyone else tired of hearing about resale value? We are buying Dempsey for goals now, not the future. You wouldn't pay 10-15 million for goals now. Wasn't he 4th in goals last year on Fulham with that team and service. Imagine if he was on a proper squad.
100% agree mate.How we could have done with him last season.£10-£15m so what get him in.When he start's hitting the net(please god)then the tune will change....Cheer's all,YNWA!!
10 to 15 million plus 4yrs Wages is a lot of money when you could have got him 5yrs ago for a couple of million.We should wait till the end of August last day of window and buy him foe 6 million max.
He really is an icon in USA though you can't predict how well he would do selling and advertising in the states he could even make up for some of the price.
Chinaman
20 Jul 2012 17:11:22
Dortmund winger Kevin Grokreutz: "It would be a dream to play at some point in time for Liverpool." {Ed002's Note - He said the same about Arsenal a few months ago.}
20 Jul 2012 17:11:05
Hey Ed's, is there any chance of Kevin Grosskreutz from Dortmund to Liverpool? {Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}
20 Jul 2012 17:07:31
Can we stop harping on about transfer fees, Allen not worth £15mil etc.
The kids don't decide what is paid for them so why burden them with the pressure of the price tag. Support them and give them the freedom to play. It may have a better effect than grining players down and giving no support.
So true my friend.It's not there fault what price they go for.So let's ALL get behind the squad&give then all the support we can...Cheer's all,YNWA!!
Yes but we shouldnt be held to ransomby smaller premier league clubs when you can look to others leagues ala newcastlle and get quality players in at a reasonable price.the spanish economy is f***ed for example hence swansea can bring in michu for 2 million
we should be currently shopping in spain, jordi alba for example 12 million, his current level is well above joeallen qouted at 15 million is ridiculous
offer them 10 million plus one million add ons, or ask allen to hand in a transfer request
if not look elsewhere,lets face it central midfield isnt where money really needs spending, we need more skillful quality in the final third
20 Jul 2012 17:04:00
Great site lads.. Just wanted your opinion on the joe Allen situation, if we're to buy joe Allen what price is it likely to be? And will BR be looking to sell before buying? As we have a number of CMs.. If so who can you see leaving? Thanks in advance lads
20 Jul 2012 17:02:42
Allen will move to LFC this summer. Fee will be around £11m
Dempsey deal is stalling due to Fulham wanting £11m, we are offering £6/7m max. Which I think is great, not falling into buying 29 year old in the last year of contract for £11m.
Sturridge is depending on Carroll leaving, Sturridge is keen on the move and wants to talk to Brendan about this.
Skrtel has a contract offer from LFC on the table, he is happy with it but his agent is trying to get him a better deal from teams across Europe.
Well he should bitchsmack his agent like victor moses
20 Jul 2012 16:58:57
Ed what do you think will happen if we were to sell Carroll ? {Ed002's Note - A couple of days of bleating posts about how he is the greatest player ever and the manager and owners should be burned at the stake.}
I'm inclined to agree with Ed002 about the reaction.
From the point of view of the club, I would think we'd sign another 'attacker' either a striker or a winger, so we'd have sufficient depth in attack. Without Carroll, we have Suarez, Borini, Dempsey (if he signs), Downing, Bellamy and Cole & youths vying for 3 positions. And there's a good chance that one out of Bellamy, Cole or Downing could leave. So another another player there wouldn't go amiss, imo.
- Something Red -
You're right ed002. most of last season's posts centered around his complete lack of ability, now suddenly he's a legend. the fact is that he is not good enough for lfc.
Disagree i think most fans would be happy if carroll is sold and a better more mobile cf is signed in his stead
however there is no point in selling him if the final result isnt signing someone better than him up front
Haha classic Ed002...You know us o so well!The people who didnt want him,now he's a world class player who has been so very,very badly treated buy the owner's...Cheer's all,YNWA!!
I'd say that's a pretty accurate assessment, Ed002. I feel for you if/when that happens and even more so if our other wayward striker were to move on. You all might have to take a week off if that one were to come about.
We lost Owen & Mc Manaman for peanuts. Compared to those - I think we'd manage to get over Carroll leaving pretty easily.
If he stays - he'll have a point to prove, I hope he has a stormer. If he goes - I hope we get a good fee and a good replacement.
It's only Carroll though. If it was Suarez going - I'd genuinely fear for us - and I never fear for us.
BJH YNWA (Though it's true [that some people will moan about anything])
20 Jul 2012 16:50:52
hey eds i've just noticed on some photos of the tour that the team doctor is with them, do you think this means no deals will be done till we get back seeing as he does the medicals? thanks
Big Dan {Ed002's Note - No, others will be able to conduct medicals if needs be.}
20 Jul 2012 16:38:15
Arsenal want a reported £20M for RVP. It would never happen and he probably wouldn't come but I'd love Liverpool to make a bid.
He is sheer class, one of the best touches I've ever seen..
Rob
And is injury prone, had one good season and wants £250,000 a week.
I'm sure he'd accept less than £250k a week wages if he really wanted the move.
But I don't see him coming here with both Manchester teams and a good portion of the top clubs in Europe sniffinf around him.
- Something Red -
20 Jul 2012 16:35:50
Ok, I am getting angry at some of the posts on here. It seems more fans are happy to get on the owners back, the players the management want and Brendon himself! Than just getting behind them and supporting them.
Where is the You'll never walk alone spirit we are meant to pride ourselves in!
Be happy we are not in the same situation as Rangers and Portsmouth! We came damn close to it a few seasons back and it was FSG who saved us.
We are not as big a club as we once were, we need to build to get back to where we want to be and the club needs supporting not every decision questioned and frowne upon. Let's face it none of you have a clue how to run a football team and some of you clearly know nothing about football if you think Dempsey and Allan are not good players.
If you are one of the negative people I am talking about just sod off and be quiet.
A very angry Rob
Good rant. Got to say I agree with everything you've said there.
-hulmerous
You talk a good game but if you think Allen is the answer your supporting wrong club. we wanna go forward think its you who needs to sod off. from a 40year supporter
Okay Robert I will sod off then. I must say that if we all agreed on everything, then the site would become very boring.It's banter some people write negative posts to get a reaction. You becoming angry means they are working.
IVOR SODDEDOFFFORNOW
Where would the club be if the fans just stayed quiet and didn't express concern when appropriate? the club have made many terrible signings in recent years and dempsey and allen may well be more of the same. fans who pay to watch their team have every right to be concerned when they see the club making questionable decisions
We need more quality in the final third,and there isnt that quality in terms of young british players so we need to look to foreigners for cutting edge talent
way more important than signing another central midfielder,however i understand why he wants allen in, i d expect other midfielders to be shipped out at a loss like usual lately but then that money has to be pumped back in for skillful players who can create for others and themselves in the final third
20 Jul 2012 16:30:20
Lets role back a few years when we had Benitez and the yo yo yanks were in charge he tried to sign dani Alves and jovetivic but the board wouldnt back him his plan was to play aqua and jovetivic behind Torres we finished second to the scum ,so I ask myself how could we of went from that to this it's an utter disgrace that we are happy to settle for over priced English so called tallent...
Who thinks that we had our chance that year to really turn the corner ??
Ed's views welcome please...
And look what a state the yo yo yonks got Liverpool into. Stop your moaning and get behind FSG and BR
Then blame H & G not the new owners who had to spend to bail us out
We did have a chance to win the EPL that year, but not "to turn the corner". H&G were always only interested in cash, so would have landed the club in financial trouble one way or another.
We should have won the league that year! But Rafa was too distracted with his contract extension, the feud with the owners and with Alex Ferguson! He should have been steering us to the title ABOVE all else! But didn't ... and the rest is history.
LFC_SA
We wouldn't have turned any corner because those owners at that time ran us two days away from bankrupsy, until the current owners came and saved us from a Rangersesque fall.
So be grateful that they stepped in and saved our club. Get behind them, get behind the manager and the team and support us as we rebuild and move forward into the future!!
DannyMAC
Im totally behind BR sure I'm an Irish man, and as for fsg they saved us from the mess we were in I'm totally behind them,the case of the matter is why are we spending big on average players, it's as if players look at our club as one in turmoil and it's a pity cause our fans are the ones who get the flack....perfect example is Marin and Cahill cheap buys and face stiffer competition for places but still choose chelski
20 Jul 2012 16:26:27
If I was BR I'd make some tentative enquiries about Adebayor as it seems is proposed move to Spurs is stumbling. Love or Loathe him, he sure knows where the back of the net is.
Stu
20 Jul 2012 16:19:36
jay spearing is an enthusiastic, genuine and likeable grey horse but he lacks the elegance and class of the well bred chestnuts
Fact is though how are you going to tell those thoroughbred chestnuts your our 3rd choice pairing you will be spending half of season on the bench.
He is a good option you know he will do the job even harder when he has too and likes to be involved in the squad.Personally he is the best in his position for a 3rd choicer so why get rid or is it because on your ultimate team you can have Kaka and Sneijder as second and 3rd choice so you think the real thing applies.
Eds why even post nonsense anymore.
Kopping a feel {Ed002's Note - This is one of the better posts today - the rest have generally been attacks on a player who has not yet joined the club, attacks on what the fans think are the dead beats already at the club or bleating about the owners or managers. This is my post of the day.}
I would prefer to bring in one of the younger lads through as 3rd choice,Jay as had his chance and was found wanting.We could sell him and buy another promising youngster.
They're not fans Ed. They are tarts and glory-hunting sofa supporters. They don't live in the real world - they expect instant success and star signings without a care-in-the-world. Many of them have probably never kicked a football in their life and sit there eating double cheeseburgers and playing role-playing games until Mummy tells them to go to sleep. It sickens me to be quite fair as it does many of my fellow supporters. These keyboard warriors can act all hard and tough behind a monitor and fail to grasp the principles of being a true football 'supporter'.
DaveyBootle
20 Jul 2012 16:17:00
Heard rumours that we could sign Joe Allen for 15m, why how many average midfielders do we need like spearing, Henderson, Adams we need talent building cos at some point gerrard is going to retire. What about for 15m getting dempsey and defoe or a sturridge or wallcott feel he could really shine at a new club
So you don't rate Allen or Henderson, who are both very technically gifted players well suited to possession football and a short passing game - yet you rate Walcott who lacks a first touch and a footballing brain, but can run very fast?
Joe
Typical fan who doesnt know a lot, underlined by the fact you dont know our players names, for the last time it is Adam not Adams there is no S
20 Jul 2012 16:15:13
henry made a comment today.
we do not want to put pressure on rodgers and CL football will not be a must in his first season.
i would like to know who WE are,henry and werner are the only 2 ppl WE know.
they both know how too talk but mister henry we have a strong team with some weak points thats all.
stop talking and get 3/4 class players in and we will make the CL this season.
man u city chelsea arsenal are buying players in positions they think they need too strenghten.
thats all we need to do mister henry,we are not interested great the harverd trainingcomplex is.
this is all nonsense we are sooooo big not getting into the CL is a dissaster.
mister henry if you want CL this year get us a right winger midfielder and striker.
we do not want dempsey and the reason is very simple nobody want dempsey.
buy 3 class players so the young players can see the level required to play for LFC.
FROM MALTA
Fact is Chelsea ,United, tottenham and Arsenal are all losing lots of quality players and need them replacing either due to age or leaving.
This is why they have been quickly snapping up players quickly we are in an opportunity where we can bide our time and look at what we need and snap up if we think its necessary.
Kopping a feel
I don't think Mr Henry is reading this site.
When he says WE I think he means the company as a whole. You don't think it's just him and Werner working there do you?
By taking pressure off of Rodgers helps him settle and find his feet, look at what happens to Chelsea managers, you either win the league or you're sacked! Do we want that at our club? To be a laughing stock because our owners keep throwing money at new managers.
I'm sure Rodgers has been given certain objectives, like improving on last season. A few years ago qualifying for CL was quite easy for a team like Liverpool but now there are 7 teams all fighting for a place, so I guess finishing 6 or above is an improvement for us as it means we are pushing above our rivals.
If all you people want quick success by spending millions on "world class" players go and support Chelsea or Man City and let the real Liverpool fans do what we do best, and that's supporting our club.
Red Raw
I support liverpool for 30 years now,my dad was crazy abt liverpool.we have a good team just a few players short.
they need to be bought there is no other solution.
we have been 2/3 players short for the last 20 years,same story over and over again
20 Jul 2012 16:10:06
Hi Eds
All this talk of Skrtl being linked to Citeh, but has Mancini or anyone else linked to them even mentioned anything about going for any CB's, let alone Martin? Is this a case of an agent trying to generate interest to boost negotiating power over his contract?
Mark the Selby Red {Ed002's Note - I really don't know where these links originated.}
20 Jul 2012 15:57:33
Recently there has been far too much negativity on this site. Some of the prepubescent youngsters on here who are now off school need some rudimentary educating. Unlike City and (Ed 002 look away now) Chelsea we don't buy trophies. We have never been the richest, we have always worked for our success and that makes it truly satisfying when we win. Whether you are pro or against Rafa one of the best things he left us is a revamped youth set run by Barca stalwarts which will soon prove its worth. BR has the potential to be a perfect fit as manager as his teams are set up to play the Barca way. This will create a smooth transition from youth team to first team for some of our very talented youngsters who are getting close to being ready for the first team. The likes of Pacheco, Suso and Raheem will find BR's style of play suits them to a tee. As Macca has said Joe Allen is looking likely.
Those doomsayers who say he is not good enough no sweet FA about football. The boy is real quality. BR knows him inside out too which make him a perfect acquisition. If we are lucky enough to sign him within half a dozen games all on here will be preaching how good he is and that £15m was cheap. Suso is showing that he will fulfil his potential.
He has the qualities of both Xabi Alonso and Fabregas as his performance for Spain's under 19s this summer have shown (you don't in central midfield for Spain's under 19s without being very talented. BR's style of play will fully complement Suso's ability. Borini is a young hungry forward with talent. He has pace, flair, work ethic and very very good movement. Suso and Allen in tandem in central midfield would be a mouth watering prospect.
They really could be our own version of Xavi and Inesta. Shelvey to has the ability to thrive in a team playing the BR way. Raheem Sterling has genuine potential to be our new Digger, though I suspect he will need a little more experience before he is fully ready. One or two others are also showing signs of being able to play the BR way. Ryan Mcloughlin has been performing very well in training at right wing. He has pace and strength and a good delivery. The future is bright Reality Red
How come kenny never seen it and bought a load of duffers these players are unproven in the prem only time will tell n thats one thing managers dont seem to get these days time
No....you dont buy trophies, although you do spend ridiculous amounts of money on absolute s***e.
I am not a supporter of any team, but I am a huge football fan in general, but come on......the money you spent on Carroll, Downing and Henderson was a complete waste, as not one of those is good enough for a top 4 side, or even a side as good as Liverpool's.
You are looking at circa £70 million for those three players who are, at best, good enough to play for your, lets say.....Norwich's, West Brom's, Aston Villa's.
You need to up your ambition if you want to bring your great team back up to the top.
I wish you all the best for this season as you are a great team but please stop buying crap!
Great post.its a pleasure to read posts like these.it makes going through all the other drivel worth it when you come across a post like this.well said.dhlfc
Take ye Red tinted giggs off Reality Red because your living on another planet, we are now a top 8 team and will remain that way until somebody takes the club off these clueless yanks ( yes another pair ) and instill the family values we had, and are in it for success and not the almighty dollar!!!
Waro
Great post. shame people are disagree...
Rodgers is buying players that fit into a system; the right way to go about assembling not only a team but an identity.
20 Jul 2012 15:45:31
Eds,
I know the topic has been dealt with before BUT do you see us making a move for Affelay at all? Word has it Arsenal are sniffing around. I think he would fit in to the Rogers Style of footall and would surely add another dimension to the squad? Also, do you see us going for another centre forward in this window? Who do you reckon are likely candidates for this role?
Keep up the good work.
Cheers,
D16Red YNWA {Ed002's Note - Try the search function please.}
20 Jul 2012 15:39:52
Hi eds- any further news on allen joining LFC....
also anything on any other signings as BR said they are hoping to finalise a few deals a.s.a.p
YNWA
kj {Ed002's Note - A "few deals"?}
20 Jul 2012 15:35:03
Hello Ed002,
now that Michu's transfers to Swansea almost done, does it mean allen will be sold?thank you. {Ed002's Note - It remains very much in hand.}
20 Jul 2012 15:33:00
I'm going to start with thanks to all the ed's for the work they put in and all the crap from so called supporter's it's like this I'am a armchair supporter but I'm also a scouser and I know u havnt got to be from Liverpool to be a red but I can honestly say some people don't know jak s*** what I'm trying to say to the ed's is us scousers wouldn't ever disrespect the ed's so I'm SOz fellers keep up the good work {Ed002's Note - Well thanks.}
20 Jul 2012 15:16:34
Contrary to what several are spouting on here the primary criteria for a successful signings are not that they be foreign and command a transfer fee of £20m+. Perhaps those looking for an expensive marquee will be pleased to note that the club has applied for planning permission for a quality marquee to be erected behind the stadium. Reality Red
20 Jul 2012 15:14:12
Liverpool website currently going wacky showing errors. Must be changing something. Or we could hope it is news of a transfer.
You can work on a web page for hours and then when finished upload it, so the actual page can still be seen by the viewer.
20 Jul 2012 15:12:44
I totally back Brendan Rodgers as our new manager and any decision he makes on who he sells and buys. Here's my only frustration.....
Michael Laudrup replaced Rodgers a full month after BR had left Swansea to join us, but he has already completed his third signing since he joined them. BR has just signed Borini.
Eds, what do you think is taking LFC so long to act?
Do you think its a) BR taking his time and picking targets carefully based on what he's assessed, b) a lack of cash which means we have to sell first or c) do you think its a lack of clout behind the scenes (Ian Ayre and the absence of the so-called committee) to execute business efficiently?
Frustrating as hell!
Thanks Eds
Red G {Ed002's Note - You are well aware of what Liverpool are looking to do.}
If you back him, why are you worried? I would rather the club took time to assess who they want/need than blow a load of cash just because supporters have no patience....so Laudrup has bought 3, so what! We should be talking about quality not quantity!
KJS
Thats the frustrating thing. They are 'looking to do' but taking so long to 'do'!!
Here's hoping for an exciting second half of the window!
I would rather them take their time than buy early in the market, like last summer, and pay over the odds
Probabaly because, unlikely Swansea, Liverpool are still missing a number of players from their pre-season due to extended holidays after the Euro's, and those playing in the Olympics so BR has not yet had sufficient enough time to assess the squad and what he wants to do?
SideShowBob
SideShowBob
20 Jul 2012 15:11:13
r we going to get Allen ? Ed
Lfcbaz {Ed002's Note - Probably.}
20 Jul 2012 15:07:12
Being Welsh and having seen Allen play in the National side on more than one occasion, I would be happy with his signing.
He keeps things moving thru the middle, he's a good passer and can put his foot in too.
He's not the finished article tho, I think he needs to get forward from midfield a lot more. But, in a team that wants to pass, pass, pass he is a good signing.
So if he signs get off his back and let him play.
Cheers
Kez
20 Jul 2012 15:05:30
Why aren't we lookin for a striker like loriente. I think He would be great for us. Chairman said we can compete with any club for signatures but yet we are still lookin at players of lesser quality. And also with all the hype of way we ll play under br and the talk of us getting the ball back in 7 seconds wen we lose it, well I just hope it happens coz if we play out a 0-0 draw we are goin to look ridiculous. Don't get me wrong I'm right behind br but I don't think Dempsey in and Carroll out is the answer we need some top stars.
Anxious red
20 Jul 2012 15:04:13
hi eds heres a question do you think Liverpool maybe waiting for sterling to push into the 1st team rather than buying another winger i mean it would make sense wouldnt it there looking for long term players, J.W Henry came out and said he wont be putting pressure on Rodgers to get 4th this season (which seems mad as thats why he kicked kenny) but yeah what would do you think? (I know il get a lot of 'unbelievable' as alot of people on this site dont seem to have a lot of idea about football e.g. saying allens bad player they obviously havent watched last season and wishing we sign people like Cavani) anyway hopeing to hear your view
Cheers JJ {Ed002's Note - He is 17 and will get more time than last year but don't expect him playing every game.}
20 Jul 2012 14:58:52
Hey Eds, I dont understand why so many people on this site are so negative about our potential signings before they have even played a game for us? Also lets wait and see what the price of the transfers actually are rather than are comment on a price that a journo has made up? A transfer price must be judged against performances on the pitch so lets wait and see.
cheers
RedRich
So is that suggesting Adam, Downing, Henderson and Carrol are bad signings, I think overpricing is always a problem in the EPL when another English club is envolved.
Berso
You would have to say those signings have turned out to be disappointing thus far. I am hoping a change in manager and playing style will improve their performances!
RedRich
20 Jul 2012 14:48:40
hello eds and all the rest here...
what are the posibilities of us getting any of belgium lads (Kevin Mirellas, Dries Mertens), or Ben Arfa?
one of these would be a great addition to our current squad,
though I laughed really hard when I saw rumours about Suso going to Olimpyakos...
plz reply :)
cheers Luka {Ed002's Note - Search function.}
20 Jul 2012 14:47:33
Has there been any sign that Downing will be leaving. I don't see him fitting into the 4:3:3 system.
20 Jul 2012 14:39:46
Ed28 any chance of giving the shortsighted fans a profile of Allen pls?
NoneTheWiser {Ed002's Note - If you want profiles go to the profiles web page and request them please.}
20 Jul 2012 14:37:05
Don't know whether to believe this, but the same person that told me about Borini coming to us has whispered in my ear that big Andy is out of the door and that Dede is being carefully looked at.
Any thoughts eds?
exiled scouser {Ed002's Note - If Dede is being looked at one of the CBs would be going and it would be a coup.}
A coup? a coup d'etat? surely after what happened in Venezuela in 2002, you of all people would be wary of such talk ED002... {Ed002's Note - I assumed you would be thinking of a coup of tea.}
Eds...No, I am referring to André Morgan Rami Ayew, plays up front for Marseilles, referred to as Dédé -22 years old, African player of the year 3 times, BBC African footballer of the year 2011- plays up front or RW. Apparently this is more than luke warm with BR having a look at his 18 million Euro relase clause.
So nobody would need to go...just buy him with the Big Andy dosh.
Thoughts now?
Great site boys
Exiled Scouser {Ed002's Note - Ayew has certainly not been African player of the year three times - I think you might be confusing him with his father who must be about 50 now (but is likely available at a reasonable fee). As of a couple of days back Liverpool has not approached Marseille about any of their players.}
20 Jul 2012 14:35:35
liverpool should get the right winger maikon leite from palmerias brasil
20 Jul 2012 14:34:09
All the so called fans moaning and groaning about signing Joe Allen, how about we give the lad a chance to kick a ball first before we decide that he is rubbish. He was the sixth best passer in europe last year fact. At christmas he had better passing stats than Xavi and Iniesta. He is a quality young player lets give him a chance. If he signs for us then moaning is not going to change anything lets get behind whoever pulls on that shirt next season. You are supposed to be a supporter of the team so Support them.
Mr.charlie adam was better than him with blackpool....Maxi scored in every 103 min he played for liverpool..while RVP 111 mts..does that mean maxi better than RVP..dont need these stats...he is gonna be another adam..and y do we need so many players...these players can only pass..we dont have strikers...for god sake..we need strikers...
And how much did RVP cost? We need to find them before they become household names
20 Jul 2012 14:29:39
I am not here to post a rumor but vent my disgust at the many number of negative so called supporters we have of our great club. Give BR a chance ffs. The man is in the job ten minutes and the comments from some are a joke. Allen is a very good player, again if he signs give him a chance. Wait and see the way BR will have us playing and the players that will be bought fit into the system. Then maybe ye can judge.
Rebel Red
20 Jul 2012 14:20:48
If city really do want Skrtel I would bite their hands off for a cash plus Johnson deal. Lets be honest Skrtel is good but would be a squad player at city and johnson would do well for us. We can always find another centre half but good wingers are hard to get.
Jud.
20 Jul 2012 14:18:43
Just wondering why coady hasn't travelled to the states with the rest of the lads, is he really that far away from the first team ?
also does spearing really have a future with the club surly hes holding coady back no
Jaydee ynwa
Spearing is loved by all the coaches mate.He shines shoes on tour and washes their cars at Anfield.He doesn't have to bend down so he never gets backache.
20 Jul 2012 14:13:55
Hello Eds
Is there any where i can watch the game tonight
I am not yet registerd to LFC Online ?
Would love to tune in
This site is so addictive
Cheers
LTP
Game is on EPSN tomorrow night at 9pm I think...
What game ?? the toronto game is on tomorrow night
Online streams at atdhe.net or hostream.net or livescorehunter.net
20 Jul 2012 14:13:31
Edds plz post regarding my last post dont no why people say they cant read my post coz no commas or full stops or saying i dont take a breath hah on no wate the joke wasent funny silly me ur the funny 1s for not breathing when your reading my post SAFE FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME EDDS STEMLOCC1
20 Jul 2012 14:10:16
i want to know why the hek are we paying scouts to go to South America and not signing any of them "do liverpool think that they are not good enough or us"? {Ed002's Note - The scouts are based in South America. I don't think you understand the transfer process at all.}
20 Jul 2012 14:08:58
Hi Ed - Am i right is sayin the mistake on the FSG website has called a halt to the Dempsey deal? TD {Ed002's Note - No.}
20 Jul 2012 14:05:20
I think some people need to chill out a bit. While Kenny was still manager our targets were Solado and Munain(spelling) and if the green light was given to purchase those players I'm sure FSG would have sanctioned the moves!
What my feelings is, is that a potential 'exciting' 'big name' 'marquee' or whatever you wanna call it type of signing may just happen! It wouldn't suprise me at all if it did! There's a lot to happen yet in this transfer window....don't stress guys!
K. Bennett
20 Jul 2012 14:03:35
Hi Ed now its looking like allen signing close. And i think lfc will sign dempsey as well. My question is if skrtel carol and suarez does leave the club. Do you thnk lfc will replace them with new signings. And do u think Ramirez could b a possibility as well as sturidge and new cb.
Thanx.
Keep up the gud work. {Ed002's Note - Plans may well change if players leave. A quick search will find all sorts of explanations about potential bodacious bids for the likes of Ramirez and Sturridge.}
Bodacious ed? Excellent! (cue background guitars)
Bodacious ed? Have you been watching bill and ted lately
20 Jul 2012 14:00:16
if Allen is true then I wish suso & teixeira the best of luck in there careers.
What a load of tosh!
You need a production line, by the time suso and teix are ready to play week in week out SG will have more or less hung up his boots and Allen will be in his prime.
Where do these people come from!?
GGK
20 Jul 2012 13:58:28
I mentioned on here the other day that i live in swansea and had info on joe allen costing £15 million and every one thought it was a joke & i got slated. Looks like i was actually right.
20 Jul 2012 13:54:53
A few things i want to talk about or get off my chest, All thoughts welcome...
Is Brendan Rodgers being kept in the loop regarding transfers? Last Friday he said he wanted to keep Maxi. 4 hours later and Maxi had signed for Newells Old Boys.
Is Rodgers too ''small time'' to get us the players we need to improve on 8th position last season? So far he has missed out on Gylfi Sigurdsson, Steven Caulker, Luuk De Jong, Jackson Martinez, Nick Powell, Steven Davis, Salomon Kalou, Mo Diame.
Is Rodgers thinking like he's still at a small club? He said to expect an ''exciting'' signing. Then we spent 11 million on Fabio Borini. Is he considered exciting? I know he's only 21, But he has only played 33 games in 4 seasons. He has 16 minutes of International football. Good bit of business or another over priced player at our club?
Suarez. Did he bring up the Evra incident again to make FSG angry and more than likely sell him? He was warned last season to not bring it up again. He nearly cost FSG millions in sponsorship deals. If im honest, Id be happy so see him go. Terrible attitude and trouble just follows him. He bit a player while he was at Ajax, He spit in 2 other players faces, He cheated Ghana in the World Cup and he made racial comments against another player. He's not the sort of role model i want my kid's to look up too. Also, After Martin Caceres' interview yesterday, It's pretty obvious that Juventus are interested in Suarez. 20m and be done with him if it was up to me.
Joe Allen. He's not worth 15m. There is no deal agreed as yet. Brendan Rodgers' contract has a clause preventing purchase of Swansea City players that are'nt listed. Joe Allen has to hand in a transfer request to even get permission to speak to Liverpool. He has'nt handed in a transfer request. Or, If another team make a bid for him then so can we, No other team has bid for him. Either way, Is Joe Allen Liverpool quality?
Out. Kuyt and Maxi have gone. Bellamy and Carroll look likely to follow. What are we gonna do if Reina, Skrtel, Agger and Suarez (for arguements sake) were to leave? We are already stuck with Henderson, Adam and Downing. Our squad will be shocking next year. Spearing is Championship quality at best.
Money. We all know Kenny wasted over 100m last season. Do we have money to spend this year?
Next season. Let's face it, It's going to be our hardest ever season since the premier league began. Chelsea, United and Spurs have all improved with the likes of Hazard, Marin, Kagawa, Powell, Sigurdsson, Vertongen. Arsenal have signed Giroud and Podolski but will lose RVP. Newcastle and City will no doubt improve their squad. I also expect United and Chelsea to make a few more signings. They are all signing very good players. We have signed Borini and are being linked with Allen and Dempsey. Both very much over priced at 15m each. At the moment im very cautious about next season.
Thoughts please?
Adam YNWA
Allen, Borini & Dempsey are no better than what we already have. Unless we sign some genuine world-class talent between now and August 31st, we will finish mid-table again. If Spurs can attract top-talent, why can't we?
Sly sports saying another club has bid for allen . making the agreement void
Levy is intellegent man.while with us..people are fools..we only and will always buy midfileders...i think we can have whole 11 midfielders in our team
"Allen, Borini & Dempsey are no better than what we already have......."
Allen vs Hendo, Adam, Aquilani or Spearing = Allen every time
Borini vs Carroll = Borini scored more goals last season than Carroll in fewer appearances
Dempsey vs Kuyt, Maxi or Bellamy = OK, Bellamy is quality, but his knees are shot. Dempsey scored 20 plus goals from midfield last season. Kuyt and Maxi managed that combined over last 2 seasons.
Red G
Where is this 'top talent' Spurs are attracting? Siggi? Verghotan? Nahhhhh
Henderson or Allen - Henderson every time.
Dempsey had the season of his life last year - can he do it again?
Carroll and Downing both had bad seasons, they definitely will not be that bad again, be like 2 new signings.
John B
How about Allen & Henderson in the same team!!
A Liverpool supporter
The words 'missed out' and 'Solomon Kalou' should never be used in the same sentence ever, unless it be "we missed out on [inset good/mediocre/any-other-living player here], so we were forced to sign Solomon Kalou".
Jolly Red
20 Jul 2012 13:53:56
Has anyone noticed that Liverpool are away again on the opening day. How many times in the last 10 years? Disgrace. The opening fixtures are designed for us to fail too. Fergie chooses fixtures? Rodgers will either be a god by October or out of a job.
Gazman
Omfg will you listen to yourself soft lad,how can fergie pick the fixtures what planet are you on,if he could am pretty sure he wouldnt have an away game at everton 1st game would he,yet again liverpool fans crying "the whole world is against us " pathetic get a grip,you liverpool fans were once really decent fans but your new genaration of fans are clowns who do nothing but moan moan moan and the older liverpool fans reading this will 100% agree with me, and before you ask i support Bolton and were crap but dont moan like you people.
DISGRACE
We have been at home 3 times on opening day in the last ten years and one of these was to arsenal and one to spurs.A good start is vital and I don't think someone at the premier league wants us to get one.
look at Utds:
August 18 Everton (A)
August 25 Fulham (H)
September 1 Southampton (A)
September 15 Wigan (H)
September 22 Liverpool (A)
Aresnal:
August 18 Sunderland (H)
August 25 Stoke (A)
September 1 Liverpool (A)
September 15 Southampton (H)
September 22 Man City (A)
Chelsea
August 18 Wigan (A)
August 25 Newcastle (H)
September 1 Reading (H)
September 15 QPR (A)
September 22 Stoke (H)
spurs:
August 18: Newcastle (A)
August 25: West Brom (H)
September 1: Norwich (H)
September 15: Reading (A)
September 22: QPR (H)
City:
August 18 Southampton (H)
August 25 Liverpool (A)
September 1 QPR (H)
September 15 Stoke (A)
September 22 Arsenal (H)
I rest my Case.
You need a good start todo well in the Premier league and I'm afraid we are being set up again.
Gazman
What's a Bolton fan doing talking wrongly about Liverpool?
AnfieldUSA
20 Jul 2012 13:40:43
Think Allen will be a great signing, but one or two things annoying me, firstly is rodgers only going after players he's worked with in some capacity previously and if so, does that mean no "marquee" signings?? And secondly, wen Charlie Adam was signed, he was billed as being the heartbeat of an entertaining Blackpool side... Will Allen fall into the same bracket this time next year, as Adams has?
Adam wasn't as bad as people are making out; he lost his way a little when we lost Lucas (apart from Spurs away which I had the "pleasure" of being at).
I watched the Chelsea away highlights 2 nights ago and the ball he played to Johnson for the winner was fantastic.
He has got ability he just needs to realise he is playing with players with better ability than he was at Blackpool and release the ball quicker.
GGK
Difference being that Allen has worked with BR before, Adam never worked with KK. Difference being that Blackpool got relegated that season, Swansea finished 11th. Enough said
Allen won't be like Charlie Adam as he works hard for the team unlike Adam who was lazy for Blackpool and never defended. Adam is the definition of a big fish in a small pond as he was expected to wirk hard at Pool and he hasn't but Allen will work for the team!
20 Jul 2012 13:39:38
For all those who say we over pay on this and over pay on that...
If a club wants to sell, and a club wants to buy the tranfer fee will be about right.
If a club wants to buy a player that another club does't want to sell then you need to offer more than he is worth.
If you don't want to pay a figure quoted by a club you move on... but you need to expect to pay over the top to get target which are important players at their exsisting clubs.
Stop winging
redphil
20 Jul 2012 13:37:58
I think people need to watch Allen play,he is quality ,he can tackle ,run,shoot ,take people on,great touch ,great passing,he better than Adam,hendo spearing,jonjo,he will be a great singing,
20 Jul 2012 13:37:55
I believe Allen will be a brilliant signing if anyone here can remember we played Swansea at Anfield this season Allen stood out as a great player and I said this too some of my mates after the match. He rarely gives the ball away and him and Britton never give a pass away all game.
So for everyone saying for two million more we could of got Ramirez who has actually watched him on a regular basis and can honestly say he is the real deal to be honest I hadn't heard of him til we where linked with him.
L4
Ive been watching bologna all season, and i say as have said before on this site... gaston ramirez is a monster with the ball, he has exelent technique, fast, great vision, lovely passing and he has a great shoot... Gaston ramirez will be a world star when he gets some more experience, and im surprized that clubs like real, barca, inter, ac and the likes of this clubs isnt all over the kid by now... I dont really nkow what to make of this allen bid, but i dont think ull get gaston for the same prize m8...
20 Jul 2012 13:33:37
Afternoon Eds. Love what you do. Please post as banter. I'm afraid Rogers may be deluding himself with so much talk about tiki taka and formation and perhaps forgetting the most vital aspect of the deal. What matters in the end to me is the quality of players you've got. He needs go out there and get that Mirallas lad before someone else snaps him up as the lad is cheap and can score goals. If he wants rid of Carrol, then he should be realistic and accept his real market value which is no more than 14m cos the boy was a panic buy by Kenny on deadline day. We could as well accept Ben Arfa and cash to cushion the effect as we are in dire need of creativity.
Borini has replaced Maxi and Mirallas should be okay to replace Kuyt. Spearing should be sold with immediate effect as the lad is currently punching above his weight. Dempsey would take Carrol's place if he is sold and we should be sorted with that. There is enough cover at the back with the likes of Coates and Wilson except a senior player is sold.
We dont Allen as we have Adam, Lucas, Henderson, Gerard and Joe Cole. The youngsters would replace the aging staff in the future. Going for immediate success with the likes of Allen will surely backfire cos what we need now are good strikers to score goals not some more expesive mediocres as was the case last summer.
Durini.
20 Jul 2012 13:14:28
OK, NEW QUESTION. do you think there will be an acceptable bid for carrol?
you keep saying 'if' but do you honestly think a club is willing to put up at least 25 mil for carrol.
thats the least the club should be looking for, otherwise no sale.
i dont see it my self {Ed002's Note - It would be guess work but I would not be surprised to see a deal struck with Newcastle - perhaps Spurs may take a look.}
AVB mentioned on his first press conference that they would not be looking at Carroll.. Correct me if I read it wrong..!
Chaki {Ed002's Note - Things change all of the time.}
20 Jul 2012 13:19:08
if Liverpool pay £15m for Allen then we deserve everything we getting.
Good to see the knives are out already for a young lad who maybe moving to our club.
Give yourself a clap lad.
JRG
Everything we get? Cold be success and well deserved it would be too.
20 Jul 2012 13:10:08
Let me just say that Luis Suarez should keep his mouth shut over what happened with evra..... have to say that fergusons comments made me laugh..... We know what ur trying to do fergie and that's to get Liverpool fans to turn on luis Suarez which will never happen unless he moves to a different club..... Like that Spanish t**t fernando Torres ..... Hope Henderson plays a more central midfield role this season and youngsters like suso, sterling and coady get more of a chance in the first team...... Eespecially suso
I agree.
Sir Alex has stated that the Suarez affair cost King Kenny his job at LFC.
Though I hate to admit it, but SAF is probably correct.
Its a bit of a 'poison chalice', just hope Brendan Rodgers does not get drawn into it, as no doubt FSG and watching and monitoring.
My gut feeling is that Suarez will be sold sooner rather than later to avoid another 'media circus'.
It would be a huge loss for LFC!.
I agree Suarez is falling into traps of the jurno's and furgie is trying to do 2 things at once.
1. As you said trying to get the fans to loath him....which is never going to happen on a scale remotely big enough.
2. Trying to play mind games on Suarez (making him believe that he was the demise of Dalglish when really it was a collection of things), ultimately forcing suarez's conscious to take him away from LFC.
At the end of the day, the amount of effort Fergie is putting into getting Suarez out shows how much Fergie is scared of him and as he knows that Liverpool has a dark horse in him, which WILL lead to us getting back Champions League and our no1 PL team in Europe status.
Fergie has failed to take over Liverpools mantle as Britains most successful club. Until the day this happens he will always despise Liverpool, even though we are not the force we once were, until six European cups are sitting in the Utd trophy cabinet, he will have it in for Liverpool.
As far as Saurez goes, he needs to get his head down and stuff it down Fergies throat by scoring three at Anfield come September.
Utd are flat track bullies, plain and simple - they get found out in Europe every year, the rest of the prem lay down to them at old Trafford because they know that referees are in Fergies pocket there. What went on at the end of last season was diabolical - some of the decisions really shocked me - especially the qpr game. I for one believe Fergie is a nothing but a cheat and a very bad loser and as soon as he goes the better the premiership will be for it. Despicable man.
Gazman
Gazman are you from Liverpool ?
Are Your initials GP ?
Think SAF fancies himself as a bit of 'a mind h**ker', and is trying to 'reignite' this whole damn mess.
Just wish Suarez would keep his damn mouth shut, talented he may be, but clearly not as smart.
Can't imagine FSG have much patience left.
Think of the stupid statements Eccleston made.
Some footballers are clearly not the 'sharpest tools in the shed'.
Maybe LFC should bring in a media consultant to brief players about 'what to, and what not to say' during interviews.
20 Jul 2012 13:10:01
Hi Ed's&all Red's....Let's forget football for a moment and say a prayer for all those hurt&dead in Denver,USA....YNWA!!!
RIP to those killed during the Batman movie premiere, thoughts with their families and friends
Seriously what scum of the Earth disagreed with these two posts? Whoever disagreed with these are truly awful human beings.
Jolly Red
Whoever the scum are disagreeing, what I wish on you could not be printed on a site like this. You are pure dirt
Milamber
20 Jul 2012 13:08:08
I'm interested to know what everyone's opinion of joe Allen is. Eds included in this. Forget the price tag and the fact he is at Swansea etc. what does everyone think of him as a footballer ? I haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to judge him
I haven't seen much of him either, so can't comment mate. Just trusting Brendan on this one if Joe arrives.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
20 Jul 2012 13:05:39
Liverpool signings of Dempsey, Borini, Allen, Sinclair/Moses. Skrtel interested in a move away from the club, Agger, Johnson & Reina not 100% committed to the club. Suarez looking for a way out. Carroll being binned. Squad being cut down in size to reduce wage bill.
Things not looking too great at Liverpool IMO.
Disney!
Not much happening on your site dinsye?
Puzzled
Your just grabbing things you can find. last i heard agger loves the club. so the rest of the post is irrelevent, just expecting the worse.
Hey Disney, the perpetual gloater. You're bang on correct about Borini. The rest proves how pathetically gullible you are to believe the tabloids. By the way, they also say that Manu didn't win a thing last year and are themselves on the decline, so perhaps they don't make EVERYTHING up.
cozinoz
Come back on 1st September and then you can reflect on what has actually occured. In the interim you should be readying your thanks to us for tikki takka-ing City's g-hole at Anfield!
Listen syd, this season lpool will put the ticki tacki toe into play and be the best side to watch , then maybe man city after that lol..............lfc
I suppose disney is an apt name for such a plonker supporting a mickey mouse team like citeh
Milamber
20 Jul 2012 13:03:00
hey lfc fans......
wow........so is it really true? 15m supposedly for allen!
if allen plays in the middle of the park........
then we have stevie..lucas adam henderson aquilani spearing shelvey then allen......
with coady or suso( who we should play now especially suso..
then if thats the case.....how are gona score more goals by buying CM that we dont need?
can anyone answer this for me...eds...fans..
because..we dont have firepower upfront..or on the wings..if he plays with a 3 up top.............im so confused with these prospective signings....
red lobster..
Why not wait and see how the whole picture looks at the start of the season...then see if your still confused...why post this rubbish 2 weeks into pre season...get a grip !
Red til Dead
Yes borini will have a lot of pressure on him especially if he plays him in the centre of an attacking three but Suarez and borini feeding off gerrard or Adam or aquilani would mean goals, but the mobility 5 yrd pass no goals or killer pass players do keep the shape of the team together good luck to BR
Aquilani is a killer passer. Allen is more close to lucas with more emphasis on just keeping possession. where lucas actually makes a fair few killer pass himself to lead in goals being scores i.e. "the goal where suarez got the ball but passed it first time to carroll an we all thought that carroll messed it up to only have got a outside of the foot to it.....you know that goal i'm talking about...well the pass that made it all happen was from lucas."
Call me crazy but why are we not considering gerrard in the front three, Lucas , Adam/spearing, aqua/Henderson / Allen/ etc young legs to cover ground while making the most of our captain for as long as possible, I remember the season he played wide right and another behind FT,
Just a taught, I for one would like to see carrol stay but trust a manager who has qualified for the Lfc position know alot more than I do about football
Aldred
20 Jul 2012 13:01:29
Afternoon Eds fellow reds ,how many midfielders do we need ,another 15million on the midfield ,why not spend it on goals scorers ,last year we didn't score enough that was the problem.cheers psv
How many strikers did Spain use at the euros? And don't forget there are 3 cup comps this season as well as the league. We don't just need a strong 11 we need a strong squad. That was the problem last season, we only had a strong 11
Eric the red
I doubt all our midfielders can finish as well as iniesta, silva and fabregas
My point was. We need to be able to rotate and still keep a strong team and are you honestly telling that Gerrard, Allen, Adam, Stirling and Suso cant score goals. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we won't use strikers like Spain, I'm saying we have goal scorers all through the team.
Eric the red
Ps its not hard to put a name after your post so the rest of us know who we are talking to
20 Jul 2012 12:57:03
Andy carroll is a decent player. However, if he is THAT good, why is it that none of the top 8 clubs from last season - bar Newcastle - want him and no-one values him at more than £15M?
so many of our fans are deluded.
And get off Rodgers' back - he hasn't played a friendly yet. He is cleaning up other people's mistakes.
Red Machine
20 Jul 2012 12:53:48
I wish aquilani would sort his head out an give us a full season! The lad oozes class when he makes an effort! We would have a really strong side if that bad boy stays this season....talk!
Woozlfc28
Again he has been one of the best in pre season training as stated on LFC tour.
20 Jul 2012 12:53:30
hi ed, im wondering if there is a transfers ban from buying anyone at swansea for 12 months, because if there is, why are we trying to sign allen?
tgg {Ed002's Note - Read the posts please.}
20 Jul 2012 12:53:18
Liverpool will face FK Renova of Macedonia or FC Gomel of Belarus in the Europa League
Hans
20 Jul 2012 12:51:20
eds i was watching sly sports yesterday and it sayed that brendan rodgers had confrimed his intrest in joe allen but he has a clause in his contract that he cant sign any swansea players for 12 months unless another club puts a bid in for allen
can you confrim if this is true or if you know anything about it PLZ thx {Ed002's Note - Read the posts please.}
20 Jul 2012 12:45:54
Sky sources understand Liverpool have agreed a fee with Swansea City over Team GB member, Joe Allen.
20 Jul 2012 12:43:27
Why are Liverpool FC resting at (hopefully) the bottom of their biggest decline in half a century?
There are 4 men accountable for this.
Rick Parry. George Gillett. Tom Hicks. Damien Comolli.
Rick parry refused to sanction multiple moves Benitez tried to make, and in doing so, caused us to miss out on talents such as: Jovetic, Villa, Silva, Mata, D. Alves etc. The list goes on.
The whole club however (at every level) was shook by the financial mess that can only be described as H&G. They filled us with false hope, and knocked us down faster then they said they'd knock down Anfield! No new stadium, constantly relying on sales in the transfer market, and quite frankly, I'd be surprised if they even had a business model.
Just when we find our way out of that mess, a man called Damien uses the lack of footballing knowledge possessed by Tom Werner to force is way into a job based on lies. His negotiating skills are on par with that of a confused donkey. Over paying for players who realistically, only looked good on paper. Perhaps they will come good, but will they ever be worth the 100m we spent on them?
What hurt Rafa so much in his final season?
Much is said about the loss of Alonso and our failure to replace him.. But there was another key figure who went missing, who is often forgotten. His name is Sami Hyypia. Arguably the greatest leader this club has seen since Souness, and without a doubt the most experienced figure in the dressing room. Now managing Leverkusen and showing the German world just how good his leadership skills are, perhaps we can now se, he was more than just a squad player. The two inspirational losses to our team, produced a shockwave that struck the club to the core. Skrte and Aquilani bought in to replace them. With Martin taking 4 years to come good and Aquawho? disappearing every year, its clear to see we took a hit here.
Arguably, we haven't got any worse since then. Floating around about 6-8th position for a few years, despite losing other 'key' players like Mascherano, Torres, Arbeloa, Meiereles etc. These players were replaced adequately though. Lucas came in and matched Mascherano, Suarez came in and exceeded him, Johnson came in and matched Arbeloa, and Adam was just behind Meireles.
This goes to show, our team has sat at the same level for a while now, and only looked bad in the second half of last season due to us losing Lucas, Adam and Suarez. Either completely or for large amounts of time.
Now we face another daunting prsospect of losing Kuyt and Maxi, who despite never really being spectacular, won us games. Borini has replaced Kuyt and will match his work rate and goals tally easily. Maxi though, scored crucial goals for us and needs replacing. Dempsey is perfect for this. After seeing how much losing Adam, Gerrard and Lucas hurt us last year, Rodgers has clearly decided Joe Allen is needed to bolster the midfield.
Apart from this we need one or two more players. A left back to cover for Enrique whos form massively dipped last year due to form, and IF Carroll leaves, another forward (preferably who can play anywhere across the front 3).
However if Sterling, Ecclestone and Pacheco prove their worth, maybe a forward isn't important?
And if Robinson, McLaughlin and Flanagan can show Rodgers they have quality, a fullback might me unnecessary as well.
Should Bellamy leave, a pacey winger will be needed as well. Basically, after Allen and Dempsey, we will not need anymore players, unless some are sold. We have the quality, we have the manager, all we need is everything to come together.
Alonso and Hyypia leaving hurt us.. as did the way the club was run.. But just like always we have walked on through the storm, and Rodgers is proving every cloud doesn't have a silver lining, but that the skies above us a glistening with Gold.
You'll Never Walk Alone fellow Reds, so lets make sure Rodgers knows that to.
YNWA! (Adam)
Adam that was a refreshing opionion and a realistic view of were we are and why. Also how we are trying to build to get ourselves back on track...maybe if more'fans' were knowledgeable and honest as you maybe it wouldn't take as long...
Rich
YNWA! (Adam) agree with most of what you say but you are a bit too red-eyed in that you could not bring yourself to bracket Dalglish with the Comolli period
Puzzled
You need to add Rafa to your list of people who have damaged the club
Puzzled,
I was close to Tying Dalglish in with Comolli, but I do believe our signings were good last year. I think Downing underperfored as he had his ex-girlfriend and a courtcase to deal with all year, and bad luck and injuries really hurt us. The only reason the signings look so bad, is because of the prices we paid. It was Comollis job to turn around and say "stick your 35m".. Dalglishs job was to help identify targets.
I nearly tied Rafa in as well, however how can i blame the man who put Liverpool back on the European map for our decline? He made one mistake in selling Alonso. But if you read his article at the time, he wanted to replace Alonso with Barry and Jovetic at 15m each and shift his formation to a more offensive one. He also wanted Alves at right back. However the money wasn't sanctioned by Parry, so he had to stick with the same formation and try to replace Alonso, who is irreplaceable.
As Carragher has aged, he is replacing Hyypia as that experienced figure in the dressing room, and hopefully Allen can (not replace) be as influential as Alonso. If this happens then we have filled the two wholes left all those years ago, and should once again be a top 4 contender.
I find it hard to blame managers, because you never know quite what they were dealing with.
YNWA! (Adam)
Skrtel was already at the club when Hyypia left
The Greek replaced him didn't he?
"I find it hard to blame managers, because you never know quite what they were dealing with." - YNWA! (Adam)
I think that is possibly one of the best quotes on here ever.
Im not a huge rafa fan, but im sad everytime i see someone says, the mistake rafa did was to sell alonso.... Those who say that dont have a clue... Alonso clearly stated he wanted to leave, and rafa got us a hell lot of cash for him, and thats better than keeping an unhappy player till the end of his contract, damn so many people dont have a clue... Prob with rafa was too many players earning to much money
20 Jul 2012 12:41:56
All the rumours about Dempsey and Carroll have been removed from the Official LFC 'Media Watch' section. Same thing happened when Borini signed. Coincidence? imminent , perhaps?
20 Jul 2012 12:39:09
If our midfield maestros newly acquired and Benchwarming of late cannot successfully work their way into the reina Johnson agger skrtel Enrique Lucas gerrard Suarez and now borini line up this season then we will have a very big squad without a starting 11 good enough which is funny because it seemed to be the other way round when we were a successful champions league side.
20 Jul 2012 12:37:15
Joe Allen for 15 million is a bargain ...
This boy had a pass conversion rate of 93% last season, higher than the likes of Alonso and Xavi. He knows Rodger's system inside out and would be a perfect fit. Also, to those who are saying that Allen isn't good enough for Liverpool, well it's simple, we aren't exactly one of the elites of Europe anymore and we have to accept that fact and try to rebuild in the coming years, if you are expecting the likes of Cavani and Munian, I can assure you that these types of players will not be signing for us, it might be possible in Football Manager but not in real life, please, all we have to do is get behind the team, support the players that are coming in and trust the manager as he can bring us back to our glory days.
You forget that barca mostly play in the opposition half, where as swansea mostly passed the ball in their own half
redkenyan
20 Jul 2012 12:36:35
I think Joe Allen would be a very good addition but for 15M!
ehm....
Well, then ship out Jay Spearing,
Adam, Allen, Lucas, Gerrard & Henderson is not too bad + Aquilani & Shelvey..
but we have to get rid of Spearing to pave for Allen.
I think BR need to give the likes of Pacheco, Suso and Sterling a real chance in starting XI , if they can full fill their potential on the pitch these three would be a real handful for any team.
Spearing, Downing & Carroll out. ASAP!
Come on BR, thats our only hope.
Bosco
20 Jul 2012 12:32:38
Liverpool need to ditch some of the midfield and buy a winger come striker who scores most of his goals coming from the right side and is more naturally effective down the right, Liverpool are currently linked with a lot of players who are devastating on the left.
You mean like Suarez who used to play there for Ajax?
20 Jul 2012 12:19:52
Hey Peeps,
What do you think you need to do better than last season player wise etc as its going to be tough for you again as i believe Man United, Chelsea, Man City have better squads without a doubt and then Newcastle, Arsenal, Spurs have just as good squads maybe better and then you have the Evertons of the world that could finish around 6th or 7th. To be honest i actually hope you get around the top 4 as i miss the rivalry when there was something on the line apart from pride and bragging rights :) i will give my opinion as an outsider if you dont mind..
_______________Reina
Kelly_____Kjaer________Agger_____Enrique
_________Allen________Lucas___________
_______________Gerrard________________
________Suarez_________Sinclair________
________________Borini________________
Kind of a 433 or 4321 but witht he wingers more central to accomodate Borini and Suarez.
Obviously youd rather keep Skrtel but he may go and I think Johnson should be sold as he is so over rated and he still has some value.
George
P.S. Sorry Ed002 about the posts earlier i didnt realise that you would class them as inappropriatei get carried away sometimes.....My bad. {Ed002's Note - No problem.}
I would be dissappointed if we started with that. Would rather play hendo instead of gerrard and put gerrard up top as a WF. And would much rather play Kelly or Coates instead of kjaer. I can't see us getting 2 Swansea players tbh
CQ
20 Jul 2012 12:10:59
andy carroll will only be sold if a large sum of money was to be offered and lfc will not sell him for 20m. so stop with this if they offer 20m they will get him. its not going to happen. why would lfc take a 15m lost on him. he is young and has time on his side to get even better. so stop with the crap.
20 Jul 2012 12:04:38
who has the latest info .......
liverpool-rumours.co.uk 3 - 0 British press / sky
Brendan Rodgers
Borini
Allen
20 Jul 2012 11:58:25
Liverpool really do need to start getting there acts together because they are becoming a laughing stock.
We payed silly money last year for most of our signings and cant even off load them for half of what we paid. And now other clubs have taken note of how we pay over the odds and are doing the same to us this time round. As much as i would like Dempsy & Allen I dont think we should pay whats being asked. Dempsy is in his last year so surley we should have the advantage. If they wont budge on the price then fine we go else were and try again in January. Lets see them refuse offers then. Or wait till next season and get him on a free. As for Allen if we have a 10mil valuation for him why are we gonna pay £15mil for him. Tell Swansea to do one. If we pay these prices all that will happen is the seasons to come we will find every club pushing up there prices because they know we are Liverpool and we will pay silly money for players. I say we learn from last season and stop being held to ransome there are other players out there that are value for money. All you have to do is read other posts to know who these players are. If we dont stop it now we are gonna make things harder in the future.
WB-LFC
Dempsey and especially Allen is not good enuf.
Liverpool are buying mid table players its a joke
20 Jul 2012 11:58:23
Why the hell are we signing Joe Allen? Good player but no way worth 15m. We have a limited budget these days and also we have Gerrard Adam Lucas Henderson Spearing Suso Aquilani Joe Cole Texeira and Coady who all play centrally and we are signing another midfielder? Even if aquilani leaves we have at least 7 other midfielders who could expect to play first team footy so why sign him?
so confused....
Gh*Lfc
I don't get it eigher and i believe Henderson is better than Allen.
Perhaps Rodgers intends playing Stevie on the right of a front three?
Mantis
We are signing Allen because gerrard is a legend and Lucas has the holding role sewn up but the other players haven't done enough to cement their place successfully. However Rogers will have to make his mind up fast on his starting 11 if he puts Allen straight in maybe he can make Rogers s mind up for him but in reality if ball retention without hogging it individually is needed aquilani gerrard and Lucas is the best
Well allan is a good player but if £15m havew to pay why we let Gylfi go . add £10k week can bring him in Liverpool why BR don't do that .
20 Jul 2012 11:58:14
All I have to say is no one player is bigger than our club Suarez IMO is a very gifted footballer and I would love him to stay at the club but if he doesn't want to be here then off you go son! We will always find someone else as we always have in the past!
FSG are getting alot of stick they gave us £100m to spend last year an installed a Liverpool legend who's signings will come good this year im sure.
Before I came on this site I believed that we were all together and united in our support but the negative infestation of the so called supporters that get led from pillar to post (which we love to hit lol) by BS media who make up lies and these people believe them are a joke and our dragging our club down.
Trust and believe what BR is trying to do after all he the one in the hot seat and the one who is qualified to do the job so all you armchair managers SUPPORT YOUR CLUB and UTFSF lol
AndyLFC
20 Jul 2012 11:57:11
Can't we just swap Henderson for Allen
Please no - good to see our fans backing our players ( sarcasm ) - play Henderson where he was bought to play, and we certainly don't need Joe Allen.
John B
Why swap a player with more potential and one bad season for a player who had one good season but is very average.
Hendo and spearing were the weak links in the big games last season Allen has a lot of energy fast and loose style dubious end product but slightly more effective running opposition midfield ragged, little threat individually to good defences though. You have to keep faith in the youth like hendo and Allen different players room for both I think, spearing will misplace a pass rather than deliver the hendo 5 harder.
20 Jul 2012 11:53:26
Also agree 15m for Allen seems alot.
Maybe that will be the figure depending on contract clauses being met. i.e qualification for CL, appearance's, etc. I believe Henderson's actual transfer fee was set up much the same, can you confirm Eds.
redphil {Ed002's Note - Sorry Phil but I have no idea.}
19 Jul 2012 22:20:59
ED001 if you are around have you seen much of Thorgan Hazard? is he any good? {Ed001's Note - I have seen a little bit, he looked absolutely outstanding, a real talent, better than Eden.}
Any clubs showing interest? I wouldn't even dare to ask if Liverpool is... {Ed002's Note - He is close to joining Chelsea.}
20 Jul 2012 11:52:58
If Joe Allen signs for 15 million then BR might as well just go back to swansea
Ffs, go away you negative person. What do you know compared to BR?
Totally agree that for an average player when for 2 mill more we could get Ramirez.
20 Jul 2012 11:49:58
If Man City are willing to pay 20 million for Skrtyl, then he should be sold. Will it make them any better - No
As long as we keep Agger, and keep him fit we could replace Skrtyl for about £10m. Agger will make the other CB look good.
Plus long term Coates and Kelly will be the future of LFC at the back.
IMO I can see Kelly becoming a CB and also being LFC captain for years to come.
Sell players that we can replace with alot cheaper altenatives, but do not stregnthen others and do not weaken us
Redphil
Mate i'd rather we didn't tamper with our back four however if a £20million+ offer comes in then it should definitely be considered.
derryred
In my opinion he should go for that price because I believe we could get Kjaer for about 12 million quid correct me if I'm wrong. I also think they would be a better together
20 Jul 2012 11:45:51
£15m for allen is far to big a price, we have to be the worst negotiators in world football.. LFC-IRE
For a player who is gonna be worth twice that in the future, I'd pay £15 million, great buy
Musa dembele, montolivo, jong, nuri sahin, and many more at the same price or cheaper
You said the same wen we signed andy caroll..for 35mill..and was dreaming we gonna sell him for 50 mill like torres....?...we should not buy british players...saw their execptional performance in Euro.
20 Jul 2012 11:43:26
who would you rather see at the club, Scott Sinclair or Nathan Dyer?
Cheers mate,
DublinRed.
Neither but ic i had to pick one then Dyer.
derryred
20 Jul 2012 11:38:59
Allen now seems a cert to join!
20 Jul 2012 11:36:49
My friend just said : "I'm hearing that Joe Allen to Liverpool is gathering steam, and could well indeed be for Swansea's full valuation - 15m!"
20 Jul 2012 11:35:08
Dortmund winger Kevin Grokreutz: "It would be a dream to play at some point in time for Liverpool."
Leonkopite {Ed002's Note - He said the same of Arsenal a few months ago.}
20 Jul 2012 11:22:47
We could be the Dortmund of the premier league, no mega superstars just good work ethic and team spirit along with a good manager all aiming for a common goal, whoever stays or goes we should get behind them every game and see where it takes us.
Being "good" in my opinion is just not Good enough, If your in any competitive field you don't want to be thought of as "good" that's something your teacher used to say to your parents about your work when it wasn't really up to scratch " yes it's er good" I for one don't want to be the Dortmund of the Premier league, I want to be the Liverpool of the premier league and I want my superstars, I want my Roger Hunt, Ian St John, Kevin Keegan, Ian Rush,I think that's why many people don't want to see AC go as they see him as the next Kop hero, I'm prepared to wait and see but if these owners or manager don't do it then will kick up a storm until we get someone who will..I like anyone who supports this GREAT club want the best, we are a Premier club with a worldwide following so no I don't want to be the Dortmund of the Premiership and see where it takes us...
Dav001
Dav001
Why would anyone disagree with this? Perfectly sound statement! Give me a team playing decent attacking football then a club of over priced individuals who hold the club to ranson over wages and with big egos that if they disagree with the manager, the chairman gets rid of the manager! BR will see us through!
Boysie-red
Don,t be so silly. Those players are way too old to make us great again.
robbie
Dortmund also have a massive stadium, which is always full. So revenue/ticket sales are fantastic, help tremendously with wages and expenses.
Certainly not the glamour club (like Bayern), but a fantastic club, well run, fans actively involved in management of the club.
A team to be admired and respected.
20 Jul 2012 11:14:46
all aresaying that we are close to sign dempsey. he is 29, is that fit the policy of FSG. itis good to have player less than 28. we should trust carroll at least for this year.
Som from kolkata
Would people please drop the "fits FSG's transfer policy" nonsense. I'm sure they have guidelines in place, but successful teams need a mix of youth AND experience. I'm sure they know that!
LFC_SA
20 Jul 2012 11:14:27
Does anyone know why Rafa left, the true story behind the scenes. {Ed002's Note - You mean the addiction to male grooming products that was threatening to ruin his life? It is not really a matter for discussion.}
Read the book "Epic Swindle" by Brian Reade. Great writer and he's got the whole Rafa saga spelled out in there.
Azkop
Because of his {ahem} 'willingness to be open, frank and very public with his opinions of Hicks & Gillette particulalrly in reagrds to their truthfulness and trustworthyness', he was seen as an obstacle by them to the sale of the club - ie he would put buyers off. So he was removed.
Probably because he never made a mistake - always blaming everyone else for anything that went wrong - the man was a PR disaster, as well as making a side boring to watch - he made Chelsea look exciting.
So benitez was good but he was then found out, too defensive for the modern game. we relied too much on torress and gerrard. we also signed lots of players who were too damn injury prone.
derryred
People will welcome rafa someday if BR fail Rafa will be a big Hero in Liverpool.
Thank god he finished 7th..and kk 8th.with 100 million....absolute wonderful.......and by the way he was the last mangaer who took us into CL...right guys????
20 Jul 2012 11:09:51
hi eds with rodgers coming out and saying he see's carroll as an important player do you think he is willing to give carroll a chance or just saying all the right things? {Ed002's Note - Carroll will go if an acceptable bid is made to club and player.}
Ed002, do you know more than what you are letting on? my interpretation of what BR said is - ANY player can go if an acceptable bid is made - I'm no lip reader, but my hearing is still ok, and that is exactly what he said, so why are people just focussing on Andy Carroll, fact is in football EVERY player has a price, so if someone bids for Saurez, Gerrard, Reina, Skrtel or Agger then they will be sold - so leave Andy Carroll alone, he has indicated he wants to stay at Liverpool, and BR has said he will have a chance to prove himself.
Please stay AC, show these short sighed and short term fans what you can do.
It would be almost impossible to have such a bad season again, that also goes for Downing, best player at Villa by a long way 2010/2011, he will come good.
John B {Ed002's Note - As I said long before BR was manager, Carroll will go if an acceptable bid is made to club and player.}
Ed002 - So basically you are saying you don't know anything more than what is said in the media about Carroll - like the way you avoided the comment by BR that everyone has a price, and that Carroll WILL be given a chance to prove himself.
Is it a personal thing with you and your dislike for Carroll?
Keep up the good work - Carroll will be an LFC player this season.
John B {Ed002's Note - I am saying and have said for a very long time that Carroll will go if an acceptable bid is made to Liverpool for the player and an acceptable deal is offered to Carroll himself. Nothing has changed in my view. What is your problem? And what makes you think I have a dislike for Carroll?}
Ed..you are suppose to have a dislike...and even have..caroll doesnt have the basic quality of a striker...he is physically fit...thats it..a nd score tons of goals with heads...never seen him past one defender with his skil and chip past the goal keeper.....
20 Jul 2012 11:08:46
Caceres should shut it he is a benchwarmer anyway.
20 Jul 2012 11:02:12
also - kelly should be playing every game - we should sell johnson why he still has value and flanno as back up.
Flanno is not up to the job being a scouse doesnt make a good footballer send him out on loan and see how he copes
20 Jul 2012 10:59:52
Our expectations are too high, simples. as much as it pains me to say it, there are better clubs out there. we finished 8th. well i would say Utd, city, arsenal, chelsea, spurs and newcastle are better than us at the minute - cant say everton. so that means our league position seems correct to where we are at the minute. the thing that worries me is that i dont see how changing the system is going to improve us, to do that we need better players. it does not matter what system you play, if the majority of the opposotion have better players then 9 times out of 10 they will beat us, whatever passing game we play. i cant see much changing next season but i do have patience and am happy with Rodgers. we need to accept that we are just not that good at the moment - and go with the flow. As for skirtel - he had one good season, lets be honest he was carp the previous years, always making mistakes, not winning the ball, lunging dangerous tackles. one good season and he thinks hes a king. he can jog on for all i care. as with any other player who does not want to play for us - Suarez and reina included. we know we cannot compete financially with other clubs and there is nothing we can do about this but sit back and enjoy the ride. just chill folks, itll be reet....
cheers
speedy
United, Arsenal and most definitely Newcastle do not have better squads than us - they have used their squads better than us in recent years, but hopefully BR can rectify that.
John B
If you noticed last season, the majority of our dropped points were against teams with lesser quality players. We weren't really bad against the top 7 teams.
Red PG
Changing the system is going to improve us we need everybody to get behide BR and i know it will come right watch this space BR will become the next Legend
You think utd arsenal and newcastle dont have better squads than us? seriously? shocked....
There is no way that Newcastle have a better squad than Liverpool.
Ok then which Liverpool players would get into the Newcastle starting line up? Gerrard possibly (although i prefer Cabaye, Suarez instead of Ba, and that is about it really).
Dumb question. Which Newcastle players would get into ours?
Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard and Suarez would 'walk' into Newcastles team...
Lee YNWA
Really guys, what's the point about debating the past, its done.
We finished where we deserved to be, no excuses.
Let's focus on improving in the next season.
20 Jul 2012 10:47:54
I think we should sign Kevin Mirallas as he can surely be the next Torres if he works on his finishing a bit
He certainly has to improve his final ball as well but anything under 15m$ he could become a bargain at that price
Brilliant, thanks for the funniest post of the week - pay 15 million for someone you say needs to improve his finishing and his final ball - why not just say the same for Carroll, Downing, Adam and even Saurez.
John B
It is for 9million punds i think he could be a good bet
I read it was 9m euros which would be a good deal considering his age, apparent quality based on his stats and his versatility
RedSG
His finishing is already there he just needs a better team. apparently he is the Belgium CR7
20 Jul 2012 10:41:05
have liverpool looked at any right backs ?
20 Jul 2012 10:37:56
I wish Dalglish hadn't left.
Really..another 100 mill, another caroll, another downing, another hendo and another adam on the cards???//
Why would you slate dalgleish like that. he was interested in doing a deal for ramirez who most people on this site have orgasims over. adam, downing and hendo weren't nearly as bad as people made them out to be. i too wish kenny wasn't sacked but now that rodgers has been appointed i'm extremely happy. i reckon he is a gem.
derryred
Dalglish achieved an enormous amount for our Club in the short period he came back. Show some class and support one of ours !
Tel 1949
I think it's time to get over it. And rafa too.
Dagleish is a legend tel, but he hardly did himself justice this time around. Some terrible purchases, team formations, tactics and interviews.
And yes he may well of been interested in ramarez but he was interested in mata the year before and chose downing so I wouldn't have been too optimistic if he was still around.
CQ
20 Jul 2012 10:27:57
All these people saying we are not swansea or we are too good for their players: You need to remember the saying you're only as good as your last game.
Red Nick.
20 Jul 2012 10:16:40
Let's settle some things on here,
Suarez is world class and going nowhere
Andy Carroll will not be sold he will be given a chance
Walcott is crap, he doesn't even know when to run fast
Ramirez isn't coming as he will cost to much
Same with munain
Youth to be given their chance
And finally Rodgers will win the opening few games and all the fans will start talking about winning the league!
Spain played with Fabregas as a striker!
Rodgers likes to play with a mobile and creative striker. Does that sound like Carroll to you?
redkenyan
The words mobile and creative should not be used in any sentence about AC.
I think 'slow and clumsy' are better descriptions, oh yes 'one trick pony'!.
20 Jul 2012 10:15:24
FSG should have realised that it takes deep pockets to run a successful football club.
Just look at the players our rivals have.
We will be lucky to reach 8th place.
Lower still if we lose our big names, which seems likely.
Glass not even half empty in your life, you really must be a bundle of fun to be in the pub with.
Why would it be lower? You stated yourself it takes deep pockets so you already say 7 teams have deeper pockets and if we finish lower you must then claim there are even more teams with deeper pockets.
Who are those teams exactly?
We outspend many teams so deep pockets have little to do with it
Running a club has so much more to it than just having money
Its all about the 'effective use of resources", and money is a resource.
Right now the Boston Red Sox is a better investment for FSG than LFC.
20 Jul 2012 10:12:10
Dident a certain somebody (me) say suarez was going to leave a long time ago and br saying he trying to tie down luis to another contract extension was a smoke screen go and put some bets on lads for real when i said it last year got all the trolls moaning i hope he stays i hope skertal stays aswel or i fear for liverpool even tho lastyear was skertals best i stil think he could repeat his performances plz dnt sell our best players or we will be a mid table club and evrybody sayin about luis no scoring that many goals last season anybody remember the nut meg and curling shot into far. Corner or how he took apart the united defence on his own if luis stays he will get beter and get more goals fact lets just hope we can keep him the next 2 weeks will tel us alot of wich way the club intends to move (forwards) or (backwards) dont no why put in brackets hahah nice job with the player profiles an before i go was reading the site yday and seem to be alot of amearicans well if you ever come to england then manchester is the city to come to not liverpool or london liverpool got funny accent and london people stuck up there own asses and yes i do support liverpool ed post this coz it took abit to write and would be abit of a kick in he teeth if you dident STEMLOCC1
Can i buy a punctuation mark? Can anyone translate, got a headache trying to read it although I THINK i agree with most of the post...hard to tell though. Ulsterpool
So what's ur point couldn't be bothered reading it?
So basically you are saying you told us that Suarez was going and that BR's statement was a smokescreen because he's definitely going and then you say you hope he stays? Not only that but it's all done in one breath!
Not one full stop or comma. Holy that was a crap read. Yes guys go to Manchester but by the looks of things you're grammar maybe worse off for it.
CQ
20 Jul 2012 10:08:34
I see SAF having a dig again and fuelling the Suarez Evra saga again you can tell he just wants to make things difficult for us and to push the owners into selling Suarez what a horrible bloke interfering bloke he is. {Ed002's Note - The owners will not be influenced by anything Ferguson says.}
SAF at no point had a so called dig ! He said that Dalglish was sacked over the whole saga which i agree with aswell as results
You need to get your facts right pal it was suarez who started bringing it up first but yet again liverpool fans not knowing the real facts.
I'm on Saurez side. Evra started crying like a baby. Ferdinand retweets that Ashley cole is a choc ice! A choc ice!! In a public domain and nothing is done. Ferguson has bullied and used the media really well over the years.
Gazman {Ed002's Note - This is nothing to do with Ferdinand which is a matter that will be dealt with separately. Just try and see this matter for what it is - unrelated to any other incidents - and judge it on its own merits.}
Results, tansfers in, saurez in that order in my opinion.
Saurez contributed but if the other two mentioned things were right he wouldn't have been sacked.
The knob from utd will always look to stir the s***; rise above it.
GGK.
Its hard to separate this incident from other things that happen.. You can't tell me that this is the first time someone has said something politically wrong on a football pitch? Our player has been made an example of. It reminded me of when we played Utd at old trafford and Mascherano was sent off for absolutely nothing - (respect campaign)
I don't believe Saurez is any more of a racist than the next man.
It was blown out of all proportion and I hope that from now on every time something is said then all footballers will be dealt similar punishment but I'm not holding my breath.
I am not a conspiracy theorist but Alex Ferguson uses the media very cleverly to damage other clubs/pressure referees..
It is happening again. He is making ridiculous claims that Dalglish being sacked is to do with Saurez.
The man is a loose canon and should be disciplined - he has been stirring with his big stick for many years now.
The only reason Dalglish was sacked was the league position wasn't good enough. Having said this, Saurez should keep quiet and do his talking on the pitch but he is obviously deeply wounded by what has gone on. If you analyze the handshake incident closely you will see that Evra drops his hand for a split second and I think this makes up Saurez' mind not to shake it. There is another you tube video which shows another angle of the incident more clearly.
Either way, its in the past but what Ferguson has said yesterday has made my blood boil - simply a glaring attempt to unhinge our players. He knows exactly what he is doing.. I can see Saurez leaving very soon now.
Gazman
The thing about keeping things separate and seeing them for the own merits is valid when assessing the individual case, but it is also valid to compare similar incidents to garner an overall picture of similar events and how they are to be ethically and legally processed.
If comparison can't be made between similar incidents, the ability to judge fairly will be severely hampered, and while I accept that Suarez/Evra, Terry/Anton F, Rio F/Ashley Cole, Peter Smeichel/Ian Wright can be called individual incidents, they are also undeniably related socially legally, and incidentally all occurred within the same sphere i.e the goldfish bowl of football.
These same rules should be applied fairly and transparently in all cases and comparison of other events should be sought, demanded and utilised for defence and prosecution and not dismissed offhand as irrelevant to a particular case. Fairness should not be used selectively, its an absolute right for people to be allowed to compare and deliberate on other events. Otherwise we will always have mayhem with no precedent to help enforce or dismiss a case. All we be left with is a mish mash of verdicts and cases decided on the day, by media and social influence, maybe the judge was soft or tough or maybe he was just having a good or bad day, or how much you paid your legal team. Confusion will reign with injustice, apathy and incompetence the norm.
Jedro {Ed002's Note - I am sorry that you cannot see the damage again being done to Liverpool FC. The matter of Suarez is back on the front pages because of he continues to raise the subject. The Terry matter was initially for the court as it was a the result of a complaint to the police. Nothing has been decided by the FA yet in terms of charges that may be bought against the player. The Ferdinand matter is him showing is ignorance on a social networking site - no doubt the powers that be will encourage him not to be so dumb in the future. As for the Wright and Schmeichel issue, it was a life time ago in footballing terms - and the world has moved on. Perhaps you should as well.}
So if Suarez had made the same comments on a social networking site.....he should have been told not to be so dumb? Twitter is ok but not on the pitch?
cozinoz {Ed002's Note - I guess the orange sunshine is kicking in. There was a significant difference in terms of what was said. I really don't understand why you can't just move on and keep clutching at straws.}
Smeichel and Wright was a not such a long time ago, and now many call it irrelevant. It was maybe just 15 years ago and that is still the current generation for the vast majority of people alive, yet somehow it should be dismissed as belonging a different time or era. The reality is it is most definitely very relevant today, and is the same type of incidents we are dealing with today.
While Suarez is no doubt unwilling to let this lie, maybe he should put this one to bed at least while he plays in the Premier League, just to to prove than he is bigger than this, and can rise above his feelings of injustice, then again it may be true that Suarez is using this as an ulterior motive to force through that much talked of transfer.
But at the same time Ferguson motives are just as suspect and his double standards can be laid bare as much as anyone he points his accusing finger at. Just maybe people should be saying to Ferguson that he too should keep his mouth firmly closed. Ferguson has no moral high ground to stand upon, nor is he a paragon of virtue when it comes to defending the indefensible, as he did with Smeichel (which is undeniably an incident of this generation and should not be dismissed as not relevant). That fact his record is not been questioned is testament to the hypocrisy that exists within our game.
Jedro
I will totally agree to completely disagree with you Ed.
It was done to death on the pages last season so indeed we should simply acknowledge that Rio is an ignorant plank and move on
cozinoz {Ed002's Note - With a few exceptions, most footballers are not the brightest.}
20 Jul 2012 09:43:09
It's nice to see Alex Ferguson wading into the Suarez affair once again. The man never loses any opportunity to criticise Liverpool or Dalglish.
Perhaps he should consider his own, and his clubs stance on the Ferdinand missed drugs test before he speaks out about Liverpool again.
"SIR Alex Ferguson has insisted he will continue to back Rio Ferdinand until the furore over his failure to take a drugs test has finally been settled."
"The Old Trafford outfit have received a huge amount of criticism over their handling of the affair but in a wide-ranging interview with MUTV, Ferguson, who has already informed Ferdinand he will be part of the side to face Everton on Boxing Day, believes his club are justified in their stance."
"will keep supporting him because there was no evidence to support the punishment he has received," said Ferguson.
"We know we are going to be criticised but we are entitled to support someone we feel is innocent."
JRG
{Ed002's Note - If Suarez is stupid enough to keep bringing the matter up Ferguson will take every opportunity to exploit it. Clutching at irrelevant comparisons will not help.}
Just posted about him too he is so interfering, but got to agree with Ed maybe Suarez should not of mentioned the matter again.
Skurks
I am not defending Suarez for the interview he has done. I said yesterday that I suspect he has done it to force for a move away from the club after being told not to discuss it any further.
The comparison shows the hypocrisy of Ferguson and Manchester Utd fans who criticise Dalglish for his handling of the Suarez/Evra case when Ferguson defended his player who was found guilty by the FA in similar circumstances.
JRG
I agree with ed,Suarez should let the whole thing go now and stop bringing it up,no player and no manager can compete with fergie when it comes to mind games or bringing past events up like Suarez has,fans wont agree with me because they have them goggles on but its a FACT.
Perhaps he should be looking at his own squad after rio posted a racist term on twitter.
Fergie utters his usual drivel about it never going away if Luis continues to talk about it, but its fine for him to open his gob about it in relation to Kenny getting the heave ho? Ferguson is just about the most spammy man in sport, he's a total disgrace. Sir Alex? What an embarrassment
Good old whisky nose - just confirming exactly what Saurez said, he is untouchable in English football, and wields far too much power in what happens in our game, especially who he wants to referee his own teams games - stand up Mike Riley ( now retired ) and Howard Webb.
John B
Stevie. {Ed002's Note - You will appreciate there is no way we can publish your post. However, I have never said that Suarez does not have the right to say what he wants; but I have said it is ill advised for him to repeatedly raise the matter. This is far from the first dumb thing he has done this summer and perhaps you may just want to give a thought to his motivation for doing so - rather that try and justify his actions through comparisons and examples which have no relevance to the matter at all. I appreciate that you are a Liverpool supporter but you should be able to step back and look at this whole matter objectively. I rather think that folks should be considering the potential impact his actions have on the club, the other players, the owners, and like it or not, the sponsors. None of this would be under discussion if Suarez had not raised the matter again and having a wedge driven between the club and a player is never healthy.}
FAO Ed002... As ever, your right again, I let my heart rule my head, which is sometimes detrimental to what I "TRY" and say via type, it probably sounded better rattling around in my head as I was vigorously pounding the keyboard. In no way was i trying to stir up a hornets nest regards Suarez and Evra. If it came across as sounding that way, I apologies. As ever Ed002, your wise words hit home with me, all be it, somewhat belatedly.
Stevie. {Ed002's Note - Thanks Steve and I do appreciate that much of what is happening is out of frustration with Suarez raising the matter and Ferguson leaping on the opportunity to take a swipe at Liverpool and perhaps even rile the powers that be at the club.}
If i'd been accused of something i believed i was innocent of i would be bringing it up as well and for a hell of a lot longer and far louder.
since when did the fa become judge and jury in this country, they should be called sweet fa because thats all they know {Ed002's Note - The FA were not the people who found him guilty.}
So who if anyone forund him guilty ?
and if not the fa what was the ban for surely not for being not guilty god help him if he had been found guilty if that's the case {Ed002's Note - You need to go and read up on the whole thing - clearly you don't have any understanding of what happened.}
Look Suarez was asked a simple question during an interview , he answered honestly , and dont forget , he got banned for 8 fecking games and fined a lot of money , I think he is allowed to be upset over the whole affair , as then he sees that Fergie and his boys can say whatever they want , and nothing is done about it , its one rule for them and another for us , KK should never had started Suarez in that famous United game . best thing we can do , is beat them home and away this season .
redforever
An independant panel found Suarez guilty, commisioned by the FA.
Type something to that tune in google, and open the PDF doc. Its a very very long winded document, but is very thorough, and sometimes you read parts and wonder how he was charged, especially the part where it states the panel is not in place to allow Luis to prove himself not guilty, but to justify the FA to be able to hand him a fine and ban ! In the burden of proof section.
Piddy. {Ed002's Note - I think you have perhaps misunderstood what was said.}
20 Jul 2012 09:36:50
I spoke to an ex player the other day and he said BR wants swansea duo Allen and Sincair and another player he mentioned was Gaston Ramirez and 2 keep an eye out for him over the coming weeks!... On Dempsey he felt it would only be as replacement for Carroll which is still 50/50 and only if someone bids over 20m for Carroll.. He feels BR would be willing to work with Carroll if he ends up staying!
Tommy X
Would love Ramirez but would hate the other two we are better than Swansea...
20 Jul 2012 08:34:05
there have been that many carroll supporters on here that it is hard to keep count. it looks like carroll, if another club rates him (which at 20 million they aren't too keen) he could be on his way out. another player that could be on his way out in luis suarez. im hoping he isn't. anyway who would our supporters rather see at our club next year if you had to choose one or the other. andy carroll or luis suarez?
jm
20 Jul 2012 08:33:49
EDs,are we interested in any other centre mid apart from Allen? And are interested in Kuba,Mertens or Affelay?
Thank You
CLeO {Ed002's Note - Please try the search function. All these have been dealt with.}
20 Jul 2012 08:22:40
Why do our fans persist to put names down like Edinson Cavani, Iker Muniain, Fernando Llorente etc to sign for Liverpool when there is 0% chance of any of that class signing at all Cavani is in the top 5 out and out strikers in the world. People also keep saying Luis Suarez is in the top 10 footballers in the world are you mad? He didnt even get 20 goals last season and looked woeful at best most of the time id cash in him if a bid of 30-35million came in.
If Man United, Man city and Chelsea would struggle to sign a player and probably would get beat by Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich quite easily due to life styles, climates etc .. What chance in hell do Liverpool have ? Get out of dreamland and smell the coffee Liverpool are looking at average at best players unless they unearth a gem !
Realism.
Great..go sell suarez for 30 mill and i give you another 20 mill? tell me one player from your top 10 list who would want to cme to liverpool at this stage..and want to play along..henderson, caroll, dempsy and..boroni...get a agrip man..suarez is the only player..who likes to play for our club...y on earth will higuain, benzema, cavani and falcao..play for us..wen their current club is far far better than us.....
Suarez looks woeful at best?? Good God.
Nick
Agree with most of your post mate , but for me suarez is a class footballer. plain and simple
I guarantee you that Liverpool could sell Suarez and do better ! He isnt a goal scorer which is why Liverpool failed last season he looks fancy etc but doesnt put the ball in the back of the net SIMPLE
At what point did i say sign Cavani etc ? I didnt which is my point along with the fact every Liverpool supporter seems to think Suarez is immense and world class apparently hes in the top 10 in the world ? LOL
Only Messi and Ronaldo are better players than Luis Suarez. Cavani, Benzema, Falcao, Llorente don't even come close.
17 goals with an 8 game ban! why does everyone keep forgetting, imo thats pretty damn good
clm96p
See my exact point ! Suarez is the 3rd best in the world now :/ im pretty sure hes not even in the top 30 !
Suarez is an absolute quality in current team..cost 3 mill more than downning and 12 mill less than caroll...have u seen his run..dribbling..ball controll...yes he was bit unlucky...and by the way he is not playing along xavi, iniesta silva etc...he wears no .7...he is not supposed to score 30 goals a season...does silva scores that?..wen u have ur no.9 and no.10 scoring 0 goals..u expect gerrard, suarez and lucas to score you goals,....great thinking...he is an absolute quality of a player for me...
The person who doesn't think Suarez is in the top 30 players has never been to Anfield in his/her life. He is easily in the top 5. I reckon it's a bitter on a wind up.
Exactly...suarez is the carbon copy of daglish..it took us a long long wait to get a quality no.7..17 goals with 8 game match ban..common mate..thats form for me..top top qality..we lost torres..we had suarez to show the world...people like him..poeple like his name..its not becoz..hendo, downing. adam and dempsy..people love liverpool..its becoz.gerrard..alonso, reina.lucas.and surez..that we still believe in this current team....get a goal scorer and take his pressure off.he will still hit 17-20 goals every season...
Don't like the guy myself, but no doubt that there is one quality player inside Luis Suarez. Like most of you have said, he's not an out and out striker, but he's more of a CF or CAM; someone who sits behind the striker and makes things happen for the team. A player in that type of position is expected to get 10-15 goals a season.
20 Jul 2012 08:22:12
I'm not being funny or nothing but people have mentioned walcott for around 10 million & I just dont believe hes good enough, he doesnt have a footballing brain, pace has got him to where he is, his crossing isnt great either!
20 Jul 2012 09:27:25
Aristotle once said "Man is by nature a political animal", enter Alex Ferguson.
Kenny got sacked because of poor results, theres no doubt about that!
Suarez will never walk alone at Liverpool.
Prestige Worldwide {Ed002's Note - Poor results was one reason for Dalglish going.}
Agree with edd2 results was part of the reason
It was by far and away the MAIN reason. If we had made top 4 KK would still be at the reins {Ed002's Note - I rather doubt it.}
His signings were not the best was another reason.
20 Jul 2012 09:14:54
This is just what I think our realistic targets should be.
Moses,Allen,Miralles,Dembele,Granero,Ramierez,Munian
Huntelaar,Llorente,Negredo
Anyone bigger is a bonus seen as we have no CL football, but any 3 of the above with the current crop of players we have along with BR passing philosophy i think CL is realistic target for next year...
What u think Ed's ??? {Ed002's Note - I disagree.}
Why would you disagree Ed002's I'm all for top class tallent but loosing Alonso ,masch,Torres and arbeloa is hard enough to take we nearly won the league a few years back with that squad, it kills me to see us drop down the pecking order but we have to be realistic ,who would you be looking at if you think we could attract better tallent??? {Ed002's Note - They are not all realistic targets - if you don't want to court disagreement then don't ask the question.}
Ed's002 I would simply like you to shed some light on what type of players we should be attracting seen as we have slipped down the ladder and money talks these days.... {Ed002's Note - Players are selected by the management team based on a number of factors and considerations. The most critical of these is the role that they are able to play in the squad and tactically how they would suit the manner in which the manager and coaches want the team to play. No doubt age, cost etc. are considerations that must be taken in to account.}
20 Jul 2012 09:09:52
My dream for a future team in five years. Hope the youngs reach their potential. Butland, Flano, Kelly, Coates, Robinson. Eriksen, Lucas, Suarez on the right, Sterling. Borini, Caroll.
Pepe... Kelly, Wisdom, Coates, Robinson... Suso, Allen, Gerrard... Sterling, Borini, Muniain
Now thats a team for a couple of years time!
Great that you want the kids playing but what about Agger Johnson etc etcray 3037
So you seriously think Stevie will still be going strong in a few years time? Try again
Keith
20 Jul 2012 09:06:33
Phew! Just sprinted in from my paper round to tell you all the good news! Just seen the back of Clint Dempsey's very round head as he graffitied the gates of Strawberry Fields. I could clearly hear him demand to his aides that he wanted "A freakin Taco Bell Burrito, easy on the guacamole!" He better get used to Liverpool not having that kind of junk on sale pretty sharpish! Nailed on!
Although, now I'm home and thinking back, it may not have been him at all, but a round headed American tourist from Michigan. Ho Hum, carry on about your day!
YNWA
Philthy
20 Jul 2012 08:48:02
Liverpool has nearly signed Clint Dempsey as a price of 8M
Joe Allen is reported to sign LFC in a 4 year contract
The deal is done
The transfer fee is 17M
I'm hoping thats a combined fee for the pair, and not just the fee for Allen!. I hope we do sign the pair, but I'll wait for the press conferance from Liverpool before I believe it. Ant B
17 mill for allen??????..common buddy.,...pls get ramirez for that money.......this is ridiculous from BR...
Totally agree why sign carp like Allen for 17 mill when we can have Ramirez for that price.
Cos Ramirez won't come to us? Saying that £17m seems a bit steep especially when Swansea say a fee of £15 would do!
Keith
I think he means £17 million for both Dempsey and Allen.
20 Jul 2012 08:16:29
Why has Suso come straight to USA training, having only just played in a competition... whereas people who really need to be out there (Carroll - who barely played at Euro) are still faffing about in Ibiza?
Maybe he's just a grafter and wants to prove himself to br.
Eric the red
I don't know why players need more than 2 weeks holiday. They train for about 2 hours a day and play maybe 2 games a week.
He probably hasn't taken too much out of himself. In the two games I watched in th U19s Suso showed one or two flashes of brilliance but his wrok rate was well below what is needed in the EPL and he was substituted on both occasions.
Redpath
20 Jul 2012 08:14:46
Why do our fans persist to put names down like Edinson Cavani, Iker Muniain, Fernando Llorente etc to sign for Liverpool when there is 0% chance of any of that class signing at all Cavani is in the top 5 out and out strikers in the world. People also keep saying Luis Suarez is in the top 10 footballers in the world are you mad? He didnt even get 20 goals last season and looked woeful at best most of the time id cash in him if a bid of 30-35million came in.
If Man United, Man city and Chelsea would struggle to sign a player and probably would get beat by Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich quite easily due to life styles, climates etc .. What chance in hell do Liverpool have ? Get out of dreamland and smell the coffee Liverpool are looking at average at best players unless they unearth a gem !
Realism.
Realism, for someone with a silly name like yours there is an awful lot of rubbish within your posts...
20 Jul 2012 08:11:17
Just want to tell people to have a look at miralles on YouTube. He is ridiculously skilful and has a ridiculously good goal scoring record. I'm not sure he will cut it in the prem but at around 6 million he is well worth a gamble. He seems to be similar to ronaldo as well.
I agree he is skillfull, but at 25 why have none of the big clubs signed him already? Just a thought.
But wat is that to achieve we have no pull in lfc why dont you bring your findings to rodgers when he comes back.redness
20 Jul 2012 08:01:44
one more indication that dempsey's move is very likely to happen: wegotsoccer.com is displaying dempsey in the lfc section though it does not have a image yet. these guys have some sort of tie up with lfc and warrior sports. i have uploaded a screen shot of it on the liverpool sightings page.
oldmonk
That site also points this out:
please note that clint dempsey has not officially signed with liverpool at the time of this posting. we just hope he does soon!
unless you surname is dempsey you would look very silly buying that shirt now
corleone
20 Jul 2012 07:53:55
FSG are taking us backwards. They will sell key players and get as much money as possible.Skrtel was out player of the season and they will not improve his contract just shows they have little money to invest. We have to sell to buy we might as well have H&G back.
Have H&G back your having a laugh i would rather we sign jack the ripper ray 3037
Do you have any understanding of the word debt?
Backwards, forwards or sideways is better than bankrupt.
It's obviously just a bitter. Worry about your own club and the fact that your chirmain Bill Kenwright is skint. Have you signed Pienaar yet ?
Right on cue ... the 2/3 line anonymous spam.
20 Jul 2012 07:29:07
I have this feeling that FSG is not putting enough cash into the club, yeah yeah they did well buying the club and paying off most of the debt, but unfortunately thats not going to be enough, they need to be putting more money into the club to improve the team and take us to where we belong, so far we have an outrageous 110M-120M pound money spend on transfers, but when you consider the amount of money we received from transfers its damn too little.
Its now a pattern to see our best players leaving the club after every good season. Fernando Torres 50M, Raul Meirrales 12M, now it seems SKrtel and SUarez on there way out. Letting go of our best players season after season won't make us strong. Our ability to hold on to good players is key to our success.
What good has brought into the club by selling the best players, we haven't even make the best out of money we got for them.
What a shame we don't have 20-30M to spend on a player, we are not offering 100K wages even to our best players.
With that little Spurs seems to have got money and spending, Newcastle on the rise Arsenal,Citeh, Chavs and UTD up there.
Damn... time to face the reality we are a damn mid table team with damn overrated players. BR would be lucky to finish is top 5.
The story will be we miss out on top 4 yet another season, our top players leaving the club.
Unless FSG leaves the Dalglsih disappointment behind and hand some f##king money to BR to splash.
I think BR still needs some major changes to make, sell the likes of Downing, Spearing, Adam, Joe Cole, and Carroll to generate money to spend if he haven't got enough.
Bosco
{Ed002's Note - I am astonished that the fans still can't grasp that there is more to running a football club than transfers. The club is hemorrhaging money and they are picking up the bill.}
At the end of the day fsg bought the club as a business u must look at it from ther side of the fence not just your as a fan we all cant be like man city n lets face it kenny spent the money that was made available to him poorly
Bleeding money eh. what do you mean are we going towards, bust up or administration?
Well if thats the case, sell our best players, we can't buy top quality players, FSG is no different than H&G if we are in such a state. If they want to stop it spend money in one grasp and and avoid it.
Ed002's words nothing but confirm we are no longer a top club, but a club on their way down rather than up..
bad days ahead, people, bad days
Our only chance of going top was an Arab sheihk or a sugar dady like Roman Abramovich not FSG.
Bosco
Hi Eds,
I think this poster is just trying to illustrate the fact that the owners are not putting in the large sums that are required to be successful. Yes, Lfc may be top of the league as a business but the sucessful , trophy chasing teams are funded by their rich owners. No it's not fair, we are just like the other mid table teams trying to go as far as we can within our financial means. However with Lfc's heritage and past success, it just grates us that we should have a more ambitious(rich) owner. However I do feel the unrealistic financial football bubble that some of our rivals operate in will pop and the teams that will dominate in the future will be the sensible business models. So maybe it,s just a waiting game, Sheiks get bored,billionaires retire and banks call in debts on day.
Beancounter {Ed002's Note - The owners have been very supportive and have put significant money in to the club.}
Get over yourself man, this is ridiculous. Effing nay-sayers. No one has seen the team play yet and still people moaning. I bet if they soar everyone's expectations and do very well this year, none of you people will turn around and say..."yeah fair enough I was wrong back then." But those who are willing to give the owners, the manager and the players a chance quite happily accept they were wrong if it does go all a bit poo, as have already been proven.
Bosco.
This is not just about FSG !
The decline of our club has been happening for the last 15-20 years.
When will people realise throwing money at a football club is easy for instant success citeh,chavs. where were chelski and citeh 5-10 years ago?
We are not considered as a big spending club so get over it, money has been wasted on poor/average signings for more than last season. The slate is clean now for the owners and BR to start something, so support them no matter what, or noboff to another page !
Piddy.
Ed, most fans do understand. Original poster is deluded. Selling players after a good season? Torres had a good season? Are you serious! £50million was more than we deserved at the time after he had been off his game for 18 months. And we're back onto Miereles are we? he scored in a few subseuent games and did ok for a couple of months but he was hardly setting things alight. And why are we bemoaning his loss when Dempsey at the same age is being criticised, who has the better record?!
So we are criticising selling players after apparently a good season, but we are also being criticised for tryiing to buy players who have had a good season. We really can't win can we!
Ed002, im astonished that some of these fans know how to dress themselves. Or have any spare time to sprout their dribble, what with being on 24 hour suicide watch an all. So lack of knowing about running a successful business and building one back up doesn't astound me as much.
CQ {Ed002's Note - Always look at the feet - if they have velcro straps you know it is going to be a hard day.}
20 Jul 2012 07:19:59
And whisky nose fights back!
Here we go again...
Phooey
20 Jul 2012 05:56:33
Hello Eds would just like to know what you think on Craig Gordan? Free agent at the min! Surely worth a punt? Get rid of Doni and Jones? I would be more than happy with Gordan as our No.2! What do you think? Cheers {Ed002's Note - Gulacsi is back so there is already a surplus of GKs.}
20 Jul 2012 05:29:24
Hi Eds can we not take some advantage of Other Clubs Firesale.
Chelsea:-
Yossi Benayoun and Gael Kakuta are also surplus to requirements after returning from loans while Romelu Lukaku, Kevin De Bruyne and Josh McEachran are likely to be sent on loan.
Malouda to be offloaded.
Man City:-
Ade, Santa Cruz, may be Tevez and Dzeko are To be sold.
Malaga:-
Rondon, Carzola, Isco. -- for financial issues.
Rangers:-
Lots of free agents.
Juventus:
Krasic and one more.
OffCourse people will say they are Thier team rejects, but as players they can still offer something to us and are better then what we have.
Eg: Lukaku on loan
Krasic, affelay etc.
Rondon
--BhavRedz
Out of that list Rondon would be worth a punt
20 Jul 2012 04:17:51
Hi eds, do u see the club pursuing another out n out striker if Carroll goes? Or is Dempsey a flexible option for that?
Cheers
MrJimmy {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}
20 Jul 2012 03:39:08
The statements made by Suarez, make me wonder when and if he will be moving, surely he is trying to 'manufacture' some sort of escape.
Further, with the futures of Agger, Skrtel, Reina etc, still 'somewhat' undecided, I just hope we will not be losing our 'better' players in rapid succession!.
Just hope FSG and Mr Rodgers have 'contingency plans' in place.
Yes today I read that talks with Skirtel have stalled - whatever that means. It really isn't looking too hopeful with all these rumours around.
20 Jul 2012 03:28:27
Hi Ed, any news on Vargas? It's all gone quiet about him. Thanks. {Ed002's Note - No news.}
20 Jul 2012 03:02:44
Might get my head bit off for this but....... If we were to sell Suarez (which we have to admit is a possibility after his recent interview) we should squeeze Juve or whoever for about 35-40m and go buy Mathias Suarez and Ramirez, obviously I would love to keep Suarez but them 2 players would be acceptable replacements! Even if we could bring in 1 of them (from the sale of Carroll possibly, even though I'd like the boy to stay) our attack would be fearsome, like I think more feared than Chelsea's new line or City's!
Cheers
Irish Redman
20 Jul 2012 02:18:13
Brendan Rogers is considering selling Martin Skrtel if an offer in the reigon of £20mil comes in. He doesn't think that Skrtel is worth the extra £20k extra per week he wants, and deems him a replaceable member of the squad. Also with Andy Carroll expected to be offloaded for around £15-£20mil it could be a very exciting couple of weeks, with Joe Allen, Clint Dempsey expected to sign. Also (as widely reported) Theo Walcott and/or Scott Sinclair are targets for this new look Liverpool side. Only one of those two mentioned players will sign, depending on if the right deal can be made.
Bruce Bane
I think joe allen will be a good sign if we can aford him, and then i think we should offload Adam,aqua,spearing. And when it comes to Carroll i think we should keep him because he can be a good player he´s young and whit right training i think we have a great goal scorer. Lfc should take a look at shurrle,Labyad,Gaitán,Isco and marvin martin maby sign 1 or 2 off them. And bring Sterling and suso upp to first team.
What do you all think off that? And eds i love this site good work mate
£20million?! Sell him.
We got him for a steal and got some good years, likewise look at the bargain of Sami Hyypia at the time. A good central defender needen't cost the earth, we'll find an able replacement
20 Jul 2012 02:12:51
Any chance we might sign Cazorla eds....WAY better than Walcott......
ANEESH
Indian RED
YWNA! {Ed002's Note - There is no interest we know.}
20 Jul 2012 01:42:22
I'm a season ticket holder in the low centenery, I love LFC as much as the next man but I have serious reservations of were we are going next season. I think that the owners have been put off by the money that has been spent over the last 18 months were have under achieved. The alam bells bells for me came when the owners said they love the Arsenal model!
Brendan Rogers in my eyes is looking at players he would love to sign for a team like Swansea - NOT Liverpool.
5 years ago we played in a Champions League final, this season I'm wondering if we will finish in the top half. Carroll out & Dempsy in don't cut it for me. I'm realy hoping fellow LFC supporters will shoot me down with optermistic coments. Personally I can't see it. I hope I'm wrong! Surprise me Bendan.
Although your opinion leans slightly toward the 'Glass half empty' rather than 'Glass half full', I still would like to make the point that your post was well written & welcome on these pages. It's the snipey, gobby, coward like 2 liners we see regularly that get peoples back up. Fair play to you mate.
dd
I see and feel your concern, along with probably 50% of supporters on here.
The big change, the great unknown all leads to uncertainty for the future in many minds, many judging BR and his signings before they have even seem them in his setup along side, Gerrard, Lucas, Dagger, Pepe, Luis, Borini.
Any players that are added will be purely because they fit into BR plans to develop this team,and we all should trust his judgement and see where it takes us.
I 50/50 agree with you on Dempsey, he is at his highest peak right now, having improved over 4-5 seasons gradually at an average Fulham side. I personally would find a younger player even for a few £m more and mould them. No doubting Dempseys overall play and stamina levels, he knows how to put himself about on the pitch, i just dont feel we could get as much out of him next season, as Fulham did last.
I would say keep a keen eye around for after the tour has finished, BR will have even more idea of who comes in and out.
I am in the keep Andy camp, people talk about the guy having a rubbish touch and is only a target man, but just look at the improvement he made last year on his hold up and distribution i hope BR wants to help AC and see how far he can go with him, he COULD have it all.
Also, lets not all forget just how well AC can defend set pieces etc !
The Arsenal model works, no two ways about it. Ok they have to sell big players quite often, but havent they always? Go back to Bergkamp etc, then forward to today with Van Persie, every season they have had 2-3 top players in a team that is consistent and they keep them for as long as they can. As you say, its a model it can be improved on.
Really hard to judge and foresee how this season will go really, but i believe we will improve on last seasons position in the league, with our home form seeing the most imporovement this alone will push us 2-3 places higher.
Pre-season drags sooo much for me even though i am back training myself, its always the wait for our first game that rekindles my support for LFC, and how can it be more exciting this season with a new manager in place, and an air of expectancy buzzing about the mighty reds again.
I too, am hoping for a surprise but my support will remain the same if there isnt.
Piddy.
I'm sure there are a number of people who would gladly have your seat, you must be a nightmare to be next to at the match, doom and gloom merchants predicting mid table anonimity
Arsenals model works, they're one of the only sustainable clubs in the champs league year in year out. And as I've mentioned before if it wasn't for wengers complete stubbornness to buy a player once in a while who isn't still in his nappies they would have won the league a lot more.
CQ
20 Jul 2012 01:38:00
Just for the fun of it lets offer a straight swap Carroll for van persie
20 Jul 2012 01:18:23
EDs with Swansea approahing Bolton over Mark Davies do you think Joe Allen is now Liverpool bound? to be honest I'd give jonjo shelvey a chance to prove himself or even let Aqualani have another chance because last pre season he looked as though he was starting to show us why Rafa splashed out 20 million on him, but then he was loaned out to milan. What is your opinion on the matter Eds?
Red Fanatic
20 Jul 2012 01:15:05
reading on the main Liverpool website that John Henry has met up with the team in the states. Judging by the photos, he's also going fly fishing with JR Hartley by the looks of things.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
20 Jul 2012 00:32:59
Lfc have signed a manager in his 30's with limited experience, but plenty of potential......sounds like AVB and he got sacked in eight months.....
How long will BR get? ...Longer than Reading - where he was also sacked........
Is this not a manager that has got his dream job.......but without merit?
He gives the talk......but I'm not convinced he can walk, let alone run into the CL.......
Anyone else here any concerns about BR!?
Kit
I know Rodgers is only 39 but he has been coaching for 20 years after injury stopped his playing career. If he's given time I am positive he will take Liverpool FC back to the top were we should be.
How about getting behind him and the squad and make some noise about positive things instead. we havent even played any games under him yet so what sort of judgement are you expecting apart from he done fantasticly well with swansea and they played great football
Give him a chance lad. We've not even played a game under his guidance yet. Judge him in May.
Stop posting negative crap Kit, the statements your making are so wrong and just make you look like a moron.
We don't want to put any pressure on Brendan by saying you have got to make the Champions League this year.
Of course he wants to make the Champions League, we all do and so does every team in the Premier League.
I thought it was realistic last season but we were so far off that pace. At this point we're just trying to get things stabilised - that should be one of our goals.
Henry believes the owners are now in a much better position to know exactly what's required to take the club forward. - Liverpool Echo
Man, talk about supporting your club... and the ball isn't even kicked yet! Kit -you're an embarassment! Singred
19 Jul 2012 23:39:58
Hi eds i have a question? Do liverpool have any future plan intention of making Uruguay into sort of our main foreign nationality in the squad? Because uruguay is clearly brimming with young talent and imo a stronger contender for brazil 2014. Just asking because Chelsea are reportedly signing thorgan hazard tomorrow so it seems theyre basically building the Belgium national side to challenge for 2018 wc and arsenal have always had strong French roots mainly through wenger I suppose but it worked well. And I would like to see lfc try something similar.
Thanks
Etphonehome {Ed002's Note - I would doubt there is.}
19 Jul 2012 23:28:40
Hi Eds,
Just been reading that Fulham dropped Dempsey from the Locamotive pre-season game last night and he didn't even make the bench. Interesting as one of their best players you would have expected him to play to gain match fitness. It's not as though he has been playing in a major competition over the summer like many of the European players that are still on leave. I would be interested in your views as i would suspect that the deal is about to happen?
Thanks Nick {Ed002's Note - He will be leaving and no doubt interested parties will be identifying themselves.}
19 Jul 2012 23:27:38
I know he hasn't lite the world up on loan and his issues with injury and attitude problems, but if he applied him self and showed BR, do you think Pacheco has a chance, I think he is techniquely better than most and plays like a BR player? Any ed would be great, first time poster. {Ed002's Note - We will see after the tour.}
19 Jul 2012 23:18:47
Well ed's how are they hangin. RedSG wrote in an earlier post about malaga being in financial difficulties. I cant use tfsf as i cant find it on my mobile, it's just that i thought they were financially sound or in fact that they were loaded. Did something change or am i mixing them up with another team. Cheers. Doohamlet, p.s. Keep up the good work {Ed002's Note - There was a cash flow problem.}
19 Jul 2012 23:08:26
Hi Ed's I was wondering, when FSG took over they declared that they wanted to expand into different markets one of which being the American market and one being the Asian market (hence why LeBron James was given a minority share). We're now expanding into the American market with our talks about Dempsey but I was wondering is there any interest in any Asian players? {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware. It is really not the way to build a team.}
20 Jul 2012 00:51:11
Dalglish rediscovered the mental and moral core of Liverpool Football Club and brought back a sense of pride, But the tactical side of his tenure is often overlooked
What did he achieve tactically from 2011? How did he achieve it? Was it tactically solid, or did he ride the wave of euphoria and optimism following his appointment?
Spring 2011
We can safely conclude that January was Dalglish's bedding-in period. During the five matches he took charge of, the team played a range of different styles, starting line-ups and formations (from 4-4-2, through 4-4-1-1 to 4-1-2-3). It appears that, as one might expect, these 20 days were managed "on the fly" while he set up the administrative and structural arrangement needed off the field. This was a time of flux Comolli had just been promoted to a new role and FSG had not long been owners of the club. Dalglish had to set up new training regimes and much more besides, and all these changes took the bulk of everyone's attention. These were followed by the frenzied activity in the final days of the January transfer window. Out went Torres and Babel in came Suarez and Carroll.
In February the team started to play much better once the dust had settled from the January whirlwind. This was in no small part down to the tactical innovation of the Dalglish-Clarke duet. In quick succession they beat Chelsea and Stoke City. Liverpool first played a proactive 3-4-2-1 to nullify Stoke and provide enough fluidity to distort their defence; they then created an impressive reactive 3-6-1 diamond formation (or 3-3-3-1) which stifled the Chelsea midfield and hit them on the break in the space left behind their narrow formation. This has to be contrasted with poor performances against Wigan Athletic and West Ham United (the game in which Liverpool made their first major tactical miscalculation by playing 3-4-1-2 against a 4-1-2-3). In between there were the mediocre matches in the Europa League against Sparta Prague.
It was in March that Liverpool finally settled on what can be called a tactically cohesive plan. Their attack-minded 4-4-2 was so narrow it might also be described as a 4-2-2-2, but it became the basis for their future tactical direction. The first victim was Manchester United, thrashed 3-1 at Anfield, and then Sunderland were beaten 2-0 on their turf. In between, Liverpool were rather disappointed to be dumped out of the Europa League by Braga.
Once they got settled, the team put in its most impressive displays during the final two months of the season. Manchester City, Birmingham City and Newcastle United were all soundly beaten at Anfield. Fulham were also disposed of in London. The only blip was the less-than-impressive match against Hodgson's new team (West Bromwich Albion), more than made up for by the performance at the Emirates. Liverpool didn't win, but in tactical terms it was an excellent display. Dalglish was made permanent manager and the team ran out of gas the two events are not necessarily causally related and they lost the final two games of the season.
Goals change games? without them you are always likely to struggle? whatever the formation.
Rodgers is concentrating all his efforts on providing the right blend upfront to fit in with Suarez.
kidmillions
Yeah great, but what happened in the last 6 months of last season?
20 Jul 2012 00:44:23
Dear ed(s), is it purley coincidental that we have a freindly match against Roma and have signed Borini from them or is there something in it? {Ed049's Note - The friendly match was arranged long before our interest in Borini.}
19 Jul 2012 23:30:48
Fulham want £12m for Clint Dempsey, FSG are willing to spend but they will not sanction a transfer over £10m unless the player is under 27. Liverpool have made an offer of £7.5m but Fulham will not budge. The 29-year old American had a fantastic season and was voted Fulham's player of the year for the second year running, Dempsey scored 17 goals and made 7 assists in the league so you can see why Fulham value him so highly. Liverpool are however willing to spend £12m on 22-year old Joe Allen from Swansea but they are hoping to land the Welsh playmaker for around £10m. Theo Walcott remains a target and is a strong possibility, one that is looking less likely by the day is a deal for Gaston Ramirez but there is still a slight chance and maybe a bit more of a chance if they fail to land Dempsey. Liverpool are going to need to cut a few players from the squad and the midfield looks overflowing at the minute Gerrard,Lucas and Henderson are definitely staying while Shelvey will likely be going on loan to Wigan but after that the likes of Aquilani,Adam,Cole and Spearing have a lot to prove to Rodgers if they want to stay at Anfield. I expect at least 2 of these 4 to leave the club this summer while unfortunately it looks like Martin Skrtel is attracting interest from AC Milan but I am hopeful Rodgers can convince him to stay.
I dont think fsg will let wigan have anything from us . dave whelans mouth in may re martinez will have burned any bridges
19 Jul 2012 23:51:25
Why are people harping on about Lucas ?
Look, he's a nice lad, plays for the shirt and took a lot of stick previously ..... But is he really that good now? I'm yet to convinced .... !
Oh and Charlie Adams .....jeez what a waste of money....!
Kit
If you're not convinced by Lucas by now you obviously need to watch a few games. He stops other teams from playing and starts off most of our attacking play and is one of the best in the EPL at doing this...oh and he does it for Brazil too!!
By the way, who is Charlie Adams? Do a bit of research on the players of the team you support before posting garbage. Unless you support someone else that is!
Craig.L.
If you watched the matches last season you would of seen how our team performances dipped when he got injured. After he was injured things started to change
Well Kit... Yeah he is. Before he got injured he looked like he could easily grace any team in the world. Him, Dagger and Suarez (and if Gerrard returns to full form) are our only truely world class players.
CQ
ps its Charlie Adam, are you even a Liverpool fan? I have my doubts..
Well Kit... Yeah he is. Before he got injured he looked like he could easily grace any team in the world. Him, Dagger and Suarez (and if Gerrard returns to full form) are our only truely world class players.
CQ
ps its Charlie Adam, are you even a Liverpool fan? I have my doubts..
So you never watched him play recently?
solidair
Guess youre in the vast minority then, Kit
cozinoz
Clearly you don't understand football enough. I'm sure you think spearing is world class
Mate if you can't see Lucas has the makings of a great liverpool player you shouldn't be watching football.
Rebel Red
Then you clearly don't know much about footbal
Lucas is a really good footballer so by the way is Adam both players also give 100%
kidmillions
So this is what happens when Knight Rider teaches his car to write.
Technology gone mad!
JRG
19 Jul 2012 23:46:44
is there a reason behind why people keep putting sly sports instead of sky sports?
Could it be more annoying, or is there a reason or is this just liverpool fans trying to make another media source out to be the most dispicable people on earth like they have a serious problem with LFC?
it's just a TV station that reports o wht it knows, don't get it and it seems pretty pointless ! {Ed016's Note - A major news outlet coupled with a betting outlet....yeah not sly at all.}
Nothing to do with LFC Rupert, its all about the owners.
They parter with Fox News in the US. If you've ever seen or heard Shepherd (yes that's his name) Smith you'll understand. Talking Heads. Says it all.
All sports fans call it Sly Sports as they produce stories from nothing to shorten the odds on bets to increase people's belief and then the truth comes out and its the opposite of what they said so therefore make more money off the general public
Yes thats right and Murdoch's a nice guy , just cut him some slack
So what precisely is Ed accusing Sky of ?
In a 24 hour period there could be no input at all.
odds are set by odds compilers not some shady group of people looking to fleece Sky viewers. SSN will merely report the odds that have been compiled in a separate office hundreds of miles away.
OFCOM regulations also quire SSN to invite comment from rival bookmakers (which they do) and OFCOM do not allow broadcasters to directly tell you what to bet on.
Some Eds really do they think they know how the media works when they don't.
PieInTheSkyMan {Ed016's Note - Look into some microeconomics. Vertical integration and vertical monopolies. It's right in your face, its a horrible practice.}
20 Jul 2012 00:01:01
hey eds what is stopping ftom signing ramirez {Ed002's Note - Lack of interesr, lack of a bid.}
Classic Ed002, love the bluntness of your reply!
BrisbaneLFC
Question ed why would those well respected uruguayan journos report a bid being accepted and move imminent? They have contacts with the uruguayan players aswell. RedTurk {Ed002's Note - I cannot answer questions about why things appear on on Twitter.}
19 Jul 2012 23:28:26
I'm quite optimistic for next season,Lucas, Gerrard, Aquilani and Cole could all feature more heavily.Remember how excited we were when Cole and Aquilani signed? Well what if it all goes right this time instead of wrong? Which brings me to my last point, I think people are far too harsh on Charlie Adam. When he played with a mobile frontline at Blackpool he created lots of chances.I think it was due to a combination of being too eager to impress and not having enough willing intelligent runners in front of him that he didnt flourish last season but I think that can change. I'm off to put my skis on now, can hear an avalanche of abuse coming my way!Cork boi.
Agreed,if all go's well with Cole and Aquilani and Charlie pulls his socks up we can play some footy!! B (In Youghal)
Completely agree good post When Adam played for Blackpool they played the same style as Swansea but under kenny it was to strict not fluid enough the runs and space was just not there.under Rodgers pass and move and runs into different areas we should start seeing the best in him don't sell the lad give him a chance
Totally agree, especially on Charlie Adam, not so sure Aquilani will be at the club that long.
kidmillions
Agreed. Like F.T you don't just turn bad overnight. Hope BR gets the best out of them. I think aqua was a good player when he played goin forward but he's no Lucas or gerrard in defence.
19 Jul 2012 23:10:51
Liverpool will let go of Alberto Aquilani,Joe Cole and Jay Spearing leave to make room for Joe Allen and Theo Walcott.
Spearing defo,Cole maybe.We should keep hold of the Italian,he can play a bit !! B
19 Jul 2012 22:52:29
Hi eds, do you know if suso is going to be joining the team in the us
thanks
He has already there is pictures of him over there