Liverpool Banter Archive November 20 2013

20 Nov 2013 22:11:00
Uruguay live on LFC.TV tonight at 10:45. Hope Suarez is on the bench and on JW Henry's plane ASAP. Ready for the derby.


Ynwa

20 Nov 2013 19:34:22
For me right now Suarez is pressing against the top two in world football, whilst Ronaldo rockets on as one of the best ever. If we were to sell him for anything less than £65m it would be criminal. Yes he has his serious problems but Cavani went for £60m at the same age, Bale, OK was younger by two or three years, but went for £85m. And the thing with Suarez is he isn't over reliant on pace so could play at the top level until his mid 30s.

I can honestly say I don't think the gulf in class between Messi and Suarez is very much at all. Messi scored his eighty four goals in one year, leading to Maradona comparisons, but that's a much tougher feat in the Premier League.

In fact the only player I'd swap Suarez for in the world is Ronaldo, the man's a machine, and his heading is second to none.

But if Real Madrid were to offer £50m after paying that for Bale, I'd laugh in their face.

I think Suarez's value doesn't depend on what Real Madrid paid for Bale or what PSG paid for Cavani. He is worth what LFC are prepared to accept for him.

Nobody would pay such for suarez with all is baggage right now.if he can keep scoring goals this season without getting into trouble we can get close to 60m at best

So u wouldn't swap suarez for messi! Really! Lol

Messi is the best player on the planet he is better than Ronaldo your saying suarez is better than Messi but not Ronaldo is crazy world player of the year 4 years is a record and they speak for themselves in love Luis but seriously chap take Messi everyday the week

Ronaldo is clearly a better footballer than messi dezyboy

I wudnt swap suarez for anyone . don't need to. fact is he's doing it for us and that's alrite, i'm sure messi and ronaldo would have x amount of goals and champs lges in the current lfc team? I think not! so luis is an animal for us, no need for swapsies

Sorry I'm not saying Suarez is better than Messi, I just feel for us, now, only Ronaldo would be better than Suarez.
I know it's cliched but I can see Messi getting frustrated against your Huths and Shawcross' of the world.

Don't get me wrong Messi is great but I don't think the comparison's with maradona are justified until Messi shows he can do it against different defenses- for instance at a World Cup or in serie a, and Maradona did both

Ronaldo on the other hand is such a top all round athlete which is vital for top bpl players and has stood out as one of the best in both leagues

In fairness you would swap any player for messi or Ronaldo but agree that saurez isn't far off Messi at all. If you think about it saurez gets about a goal a game over the past year or so and we finished outside the top six. Messi is possibly the best of all time but he does have a lot of advantages that saurez doesn't. He plays more games (champions league), he plays for the best team in the world, he has grown up playing their way and has had a team built around him since he was 20, barca average +60% possession with some of the most creative players to make chances for him, la liga is less demanding and tends to be more open, the difference between the bottom half la liga teams and barca is massive ( even compared to the difference in our league, see how often barca/real/A. Mad put +6 past them), and messi takes pens (admittedly saurez isn't as good at pens). I believe messi is the better player but if you look at all that messi has to help him and how much saurez had to do by himself last season (esp before we got coutinho & sturridge) he isn't miles off! Also sorry to rant on but also don't think messi has clearly been the better between him and CR7. Think the year real won la liga CR7 deserved the ballon d'or, messi got more goals but CR7 scored in both El classicos (which won them the title) and scored in both semi final legs against bayern (only lost because Ramos put it his penalty into orbit) whilst messi didn't against Chelsea and missed the penalty against them, so CR7 didn't get as much but scored the bigger goals. So should be 3-2 in ballon d'ors and imagine CR7 will win it this year

21 Nov 2013 00:47:06
You're delusional if you think Ronaldo is better than Messi. The year Ronaldo won la liga, Messi scored more goals than any other player to have ever played in Europe. The only reason why Ronaldo stands a chance this time is because Messi has been injured.

Wouldn't say delusional, just don't think messi has been better then Ronaldo constantly for 4 years straight. Couldn't find total goals for the year but for that season Ronaldo had 60 and messi had 73. Fair enough he scored more but it's who and when you score the goals that counts to me, Ronaldo scored the goals that won both El classicos and gave them the league title. Messi didn't score against Chelsea (if I remember correctly) in either legs esp since Chelsea when the went down to 10 men and when he had a chance from the penalty spot. Not saying it is entirely his fault but Barcelona should have beat Chelsea when the went down to ten and again when the were given a penalty (not to take away from Chelsea's team effort). Fair enough real lost to bayern but Ronaldo scored in both legs (he may have got two in one, I can't remember) and converted his penalty in the shoot out, can't blame him for Ramos blasting it over the bar. I appreciate messi got more goals but I think who and when you score them does make a difference. For example would be more impressed with someone scoring a goal in a final then two hat tricks against weak opposition. Ronaldo won them that league title and took them to within touching distance of a CL final, which for me was more impressive.

The best player on the planet actually is Messi, the second is an injured Messi and the third it's Ronaldo.

Ronaldo doesn't come close to Messi seriously your deluded (a quote from ed002) if you think that ballon d'ors don't lie, you don't get them out of a cereal box

21 Nov 2013 09:16:55
Nice one Blood Red. But on a serious note Messi has deserved all his Ballon D'or titles. The only reason people give him so much stick is that he has set a standard of footballing excellence that no one has reached. On an individual level and on a team level, Messi and Barca has consistently done better than Ronaldo and Madrid for the last four years. I'd be surprised if Ronaldo wins this Ballon D'or because for all his rich vein of form, Madrid finished second in la liga, a about 12 points behind Barca, and currently trail them by 6 points. He has won nothing this year and had scored lesser goals till Messi's injury in late September. Is two month of fantastic form enough to make you the best in the world?

It shouldn't matter what team they play for or what trophies they win. The award is for the best player, and that's messi and will probably be messi for as long as he is playing football. He's been injured but has still been the best player over the last year.
Ronaldo would have won the award year on year out if he wasn't unfortunate enough to be playing in the same generation as arguably the best player ever. Let alone in the same league as him.

20 Nov 2013 14:30:41
Tough weekend for the big teams, some possible point droppers.
Arsenal v south
City v tott
Utd away to Cardiff won't be easy.
If we win we could top going into 3 games that we shouldn't loose. Come on boys!
YNWA

Our game is tougher than that of United's. Hope you open your eyes to see that! Hoping for a win but draw doesn't sound bad as Everton are a stronger team than before and they're playing some good football as well.

When was Evertons last home loss

@dezyboy,
If i'm not mistaken Chelsea beat them December last year. I think that's the last time they lost at home. They will be very confident but if we play to the best of our ability I think we can get a result

I am sure Arsenal will not beat Southampton.

20 Nov 2013 13:35:16
We're over loaded with quality at the center back position my question is would everyone mind if we sold agger for 25+30million {Ed002's Note - You are deluded.}

I think realistically we are talking £17m - £18m for some reason Liverpool players however good they are do not sell well.

Did we not reject 25 from man city before ed? Think it was Rogers first year in charge that's where I got the figure I'm aware Monaco were looking at him for maybe 14million {Ed002's Note - Yes there was an offer a couple of years back. You need to forget the values - it simply causes confusion.}

Why would we want to sell Agger. He is our vice captain, one of the best CB in Europe and the guy loves LFC. There is no reason to offload him.

Hear hear Blood Red!

20 Nov 2013 09:17:26
Well done Sakho, BUT, do it for Liverpool too. you probably would once you get used to PL.

He hasn't yet been played at CB in a flat 4 backline for Liverpool.

Our Monster defender has destroyed Ukraine on his own. What a guy. He was immense both defensively and offensively. Come on Sakho score your first goal against Everton on Saturday.

20 Nov 2013 04:40:17
Mamadou Sakho what a display against Ukraine. He was outstanding scoring a brace and showing some superb defensive display. He was voted MOTM and clearly deserves it. Please Sakho do the same against Everton on Saturday.

The joke is Skrtel & Agger are probably starting.

Haych, why is it a joke? Do you judge how well a defender plays based on the goals they score?