Liverpool Banter Archive October 20 2013

20 Oct 2013 21:31:01
Eds.do u know when countino will be fit and ready for selection ynwa {Ed002's Note - A couple of weeks.}

A couple of weeks I was hoping the next match

20 Oct 2013 19:32:12
My fellow reds, before we start to complain about yesterday and the fact that we did not break down a 10 man Newcastle, this time last year this was we would have prob lost. We are now becoming a very difficult team to beat and that, in my opinion, is a step forward. With Couts to come back and an already fearsome front line it bodes very well. Sakho and Kolo look like genius signings by B.R., Skertel is playing well, although personally I would prefer Agger, there is a lot to be positive about. My only worry is the R.B./W.B. position as Johnson does not seem to know where he should be on the pitch sometimes and as such can look clueless and exposed. Sorry for such a long post but it is my cherry and want to make last as long as possible.

Agree Fred, especially about skrtel, I wouldn't have him in the team he is a liability, at fault for the second goal yesterday

Skertel has been playing grate sakho and cissico were as bad

Da faaq you talking about terfur8.skrtel is our best defender at the moment what games have you been watching
I could easily blame sakho and cissokho also for being at fault

Skrtel was one of our most reliable players yesterday & has been so far this season? For the second goal, Kolo was back tracking & Skrtel decided to go for it? Nothing wrong with that whatsoever, it's just a shame he didn't win it. Actually think it's ridiculous that you's are calling Skrtel a liability, in the long-term maybe so as he's not exactly suited for the type of system we want to play, but for now he's definately doing a good job.

Skrtel has played very well, our best defender since his return otherwise he wouldn't have kept his place. Strange how some think he is a liability.

Sktrel was one of the best defenders yesterday, that tackle on Remy saved us a certain goal and possibly gained us a point.
The second goal was Sakho and Cissokho's fault as they both fell asleep at the back post and let Dummett ghost in.
I personally don't like this 3-5-2 formation as we haven't kept a clean sheet since we started using it. I know it let's Suarez and Sturridge play together up top but we are so open when we lose the ball its embarasing.
The fact that our ball retention is abismal at the moment doesn't help.

21 Oct 2013 15:52:05
Our ball retention ( or lack of) isn't/shouldn't be down to our formation, perhaps if we were playing a narrow and deep 4-5-1 it would, but certainly not in a 3-5-2.
In this formation, retention is A) Key and B) easier, as you have 2 forward men for the ball to stick, and you keep your control over the midfield.
I can't explain why it's not happened mind. Just on paper it should be easier for the ball to stick with more players to aim at.

21 Oct 2013 22:23:44
We need agger to bring the ball out from the back and step into midfield to draw out the opposition midfield. This will create more space.

The three we are playing at the back at the moment try to bring the ball out but are not as composed or have the vision of Agger.

I think it will make a difference to our control of the game when he comes back into the side.

20 Oct 2013 18:23:31
Keep on saying it but almost no one listens, we desperately need goalscoring midfielders and wingers. Just look at the Chelsea match with goals coming from Hazard and Oscar. Only Moses has scored from open play but the other goals from Gerrard (PK) which anyone could take which leaves the point that only our forwards are getting goals for us and this will be our downfall if not corrected.

Yeah because we don't score any goals and we get so many clean sheets.

It's easier said than done. Who is out there who is attainable? If we make CL, Koke would be an option I think.

What you have to remember about Chelsea though is they rely almost entirely on their midfielders to score goals because their strikers don't. Were as both of our strikers are on top form.

Well said dan

20 Oct 2013 17:47:54
Hi eds fellow reds. First post.
Watching spurs. Can't see a single player that would walk into our side, despite all the links.
Except possibly Townsend but there's nothing he can do that Stirling can't on his day. I think we'll beat these. And it's the top 7 six-pointers that win us champions league. Keep the faith redmen! {Ed002's Note - One hopes Rodgers sees what a jerk he made of himself when he said "It will take another few windows to get that quality in the group" when comparing the two sides recently.}

I think not only are you blind but also very very drluded fella

I said something similar a while ago and got called deluded as well. Think spurs have great depth and have a better squad than us. However, the media and fans have massively overrated their signings and starting XI. Before the season started everyone thought they could compete for the title and I don't see it. Their starting XI vs ours are about even I think, they have a much better midfield (it is amazing tbf) but their attack is overrated (soldado, Townsend, ericksen vs sturridge, saurez, coutinho I think ours is much better) and dawson/vertonghan are great but all their full backs aren't good (walker IMO is rubbish). Before the season started I said I thought the media bigged them up saying they could compete for the title and I think Chelsea, City and arsenals teams are much better and we aren't miles off Tottenham at all. They may finish above us (due to depth) but if our squad stays fit and we keep saurez I don't see us being far off possibly finishing ahead of them! Also main point about signings is lamela, he may turn out good but for a £25-30m player he shouldn't he walk into their team? also, today was soldado's first premiership goal in open play. What's sturridge on 8? With no penalties and he cost less than half of soldado! May be wrong but think spurs aren't as amazing as everyone says

Spurs, under Avb have spent £165 million on new players while Liverpool, under Rodgers have spent just over £90 million. Its hardly the worst suggestion in the world to think Rodgers might need a few more windows to catch up with Spurs quality. Especially as the finished above Liverpool when these 2 managers took over. {Ed002's Note - I thought it was only "net" spend that mattered to the Liverpool fans?}

Lol ed002. That would be tarring us all with the same brush. i'm sure you wouldn't do that tho.

20 Oct 2013 15:11:39
Most of the Liverpool fans are saying we have had a satisfactory start, but there is room for improvement. Compare it to Arsenal, and they think they will win all the cups on offer. Well what is the difference between these 2 teams? 2 flipping points! Just 2! I think it's MOTD fever with Arsenal at the moment, and they will probably do alright, but in comparison, we aren't too far bahind at the moment. We have the rest of the season to slip away, or to mount a serious title challange. If not, the consolation is a Top 4 place. We aren't doing too bad if things are thought of it in that way.

20 Oct 2013 15:33:25
Spot on. But we could have really upped the pressure. with 3 points yesterday.
2 tough games coming ahead, fingers crossed

We have has very similar starts with only meeting one of the big 7, us Man U and them Spurs and both getting a good result.

Of course everyone is going a little over the top espcially since Ozil has started so well for them.

The next couple of weeks is a big test for them Chelsea then us.

Will give both clubs a good idea of where they are really at this year

I think the interesting thing about it is that we haven't really clicked into gear yet! Once coutinho is back linking the midfield to the front men, opening them tight defences we will be fine! The key for me is for rodgers to settle on his prefered centre halfs! Once this is achieved and with the addition of a goalscoring midfielder in january we will be flying! It is all positives though at the momet!

On a side note, that lallana/lovren equaliser at old teafford yesterday was great! Up the villa today also

Ian the red

Of course every team wants to win all it's games, but in my opinion, Newcastle away is not too bad to drop only 2 points. If it was at home, I would be slightly more disappointed. Most of us at the start were expecting a finish of around 5th, and hopefully 4th. The international break may have taken it's toll on our players, especially in comparison to Newcastle. But that is only an excuse, but everyone will slip up eventually.

Hi mates
I've been reading your page few times and to be honest I'm really surprised by some comments on here.
You had the best start in years, the Newcastle game was a game you would have lost last year. You're second in the league and playing really nice football.
And you're still bashing your team constantly. I don't really understand why. Is it fear of losing games and falling down the table, a fear of not really being good enough. In my opinion you need proper cover for Coutinho, or someone better in his place. Stop whinging, if I didn't know which place you are I would say you are in 15 or smth., after reading comments on here.
Support your team and take one step at a time. You should be satisfied with a top four finish because it's a huge achievement for Liverpool and Rodgers.There is a lot competition for those four places, just look at Tottenham, City, Man Utd, Everton, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Champions league is something you can really build on and prevent players from your current squad to leave you so they can experience it with another team.
Have a great season and I hope in two weeks the difference will be 5 points :)

(I don't intend to offend you just a honest opinion)

Oh and while I'm here can someone tell me what happened to Ed052 he was on the Arsenal page for a short period of time he seemed a nice and sensible bloke. {Ed002's Note - Clearly that wasn't the case given what happened to those poor, poor tortoises. But we have all moved on and don't do gossip.}

20 Oct 2013 18:12:12
Ed002, what happened to the tortoise? Are any of them still alive? {Ed002's Note - As I said, we don't do gossip, but they did all live through the ordeal.}

Hi all you are right in real terms the difference between us is just two points and in terms of success so far that's it.
I think its the way we are playing that earning is such well deserved praise and there's not one honest person who would be disappointed if there team was playing so so well.
We have both beaten one top six side apeice that's true, but the Napoli result and performance does count towards our praise rating at present.
Neither of us knows what's going to happen come may but we both hope for our best season for a while and we should both take all the praise we can get, its been a while coming

Aces_up1504; Arsenal play Palace next week & Chelsea play City*

20 Oct 2013 14:07:54
these set piece goals we let in are getting too much and its not just down to the goal keeper, it seems that there's no leadership in the defence, as good as skertal has been he is no leader, carra was the leader for our defence when he played, so BR needs to make someone in defence the leader and the other defenders could take their cue from him

6 points ahead of the mancs does it for me :))

we still have couthino to come back and after a run of games we can get back to the top, at least we came back for the point,

my one worry is that the midfield let players run at them time and time again its happend for the last 2 seasons, if we can stop this we will have better chances of winning games to nil, a signing in january would give us the push we need to come in the top 4 , arsenal only bought ozil and his signing has lifted the team, maybe we could do with the same

20 Oct 2013 14:58:00
You wanna Buy Ozil from Arsenal?

Agree. With 5 defenders on the pitch, you would think such things can be avoided in most situations.

We had the same issues last season, not being able to defend set pieces.I think a fair few of us mentioned it during the summer.
We have bought 4 defenders into the team and lost Carra, but we still seem to struggle with the set piece. With our current formation we have 5 Defenders but still concede sloppy goals from set pieces.
A bit of Work still to be done on the training pitch, me thinks

Harry, Where did he say in the posted he wanted Liverpool to buy Ozil?

What he saying was a top quality buy like in Jan could give us the boost what Ozil gave to Arsenal.

I have to agree we are lacking a leader at Center half but the goals were are conceding really needs to be looked at properly, it is nothing new and has been a problem since BR took over. {Ed002's Note - Sign in please.}

Sorry Ed 2 My Bad, Cheers for posting it anyway!

20 Oct 2013 17:08:33
To the Last poster.
That was a joke buddy.

Maybe agree on a back 4 (hopefully not 5) and let them get used to each other and build up an understanding.

20 Oct 2013 13:07:49
Hang on a minute the word! I take it your an arsenal fan? So in that case would that mean that when you lost to villa 3-1 at home you were leading the charge of the wenger out brigade? Short memory's football fans I tell you! I like arsenal, I enjoy watching them play and like the way they conduct themselves behind the scenes but I tell you the gooner brigade are getting a tad ahead of themselves at the minute! I remeber arsenal throwing away a 4-0 lead at st james park not too long ago, have some respect for them!

Ian the red

20 Oct 2013 12:12:29
dose anyone else want Joe Allen to start insted of moses when coutinho is out I think he would be good at that number 10 roll

Yeah moses is just a typical winger get the ball turn and run to direct to play in the hole Allen just has to work hard or Alberto could get a run any taughts

20 Oct 2013 15:02:25
Luis Alberto FFS pls. why are we experimenting when we have a player for this position?

We sold Joe Allen last January didn't we?

No, nobody wants to Joe Allen to start. Next he'll be tipped to play up front!

20 Oct 2013 21:05:02
Ken aguero.

If I am to say whom I like the most is you.
Amazing you are.

Harry scousser

Aw I love you too Harry xx

Seriously though,

If Joe Allen wants to play for LFC, he needs to have a word with his mate Aaron Ramsey and ask him how he's turned it around. He has transformed himself in 12 months.

20 Oct 2013 21:54:22
Aguero.

Expectations are high from you.
Some more plss

20 Oct 2013 11:07:27
Still happy with the results so far and the way we are playing but what I find worrying is that we had 13 corners yesterday with some big powerful lads who didn't get near a header.Also how many shots flew miles over the bar yesterday about 5 or 6. disappointing for professional footballers who can't strike a clean shot

20 Oct 2013 10:17:00
I'm a glasgow rangers season ticket holder guys looking for a little information from any Liverpool fan who cares to help me, christian purslow I have on very good authority is going to be our new chief executive and I've been told this would be a terrific appointment for us as he's tremendous at his job, I know he was md at Liverpool so how highly do you guys rate him with the job he did at Liverpool & would it be a good appointment for us?

I think he could be a good appointment.

A lot of people criticised him because he didn't give Rafa enough Man-Love week in week out. However, he was working under Hicks and Gillett. Purslow, along with Broughton and Ayres managed to manoeuvre H&G out of our club, so for that reason I give them a huge amount of credit.

I think he's a shrewd operator and he will help sort some of the mess at Rangers.
Good luck

19 Oct 2013 23:53:06
Does anybody know any means of getting tickets to arsenal vs Liverpool match coming up next month.
Any help is appreciated.