Liverpool Banter Archive April 21 2015

 

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21 Apr 2015 22:51:29
Quick question to any of the Eds! I'm so disappointed like all Liverpool fans right now. same old story! One step forward 3 back! Title challenge last year and fall out of the top for this year!! Does any of the eds feel this will be another 3 or 4 years scratching around 5 to 7th position!!so disappointed!!but football is all about the good and the bad times!!i for one think we need to add an out an out goal scorer to our squad not potential!and go back to 2 up front!!!

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{Ed002's Note - I have no way to predict the league table in 3 or 4 years time Johnny.}

22 Apr 2015 00:15:15
We will 'scratch around' unless a top class coach is found.

It is for the owners to decide.

Get in top class experienced management, or same old, same old ad infinitum.

Players played out of position. Poor selection and tactics.
Poor motivation.

It can be turned around. Good players do not suddenly become bad ones.

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22 Apr 2015 00:58:20
We'll be OK. Our players just lack any tactical awareness. Hence the 3 at the back fiasco. Yes it's worked to a point, but it only came about because whenever we give the ball away cheaply, nobody knows where they're supposed to be. Goal scorers are the same. As a bit of experience and awareness grows in these lads, we will see them improve, and bond a bit more on the pitch. Then we can drop the 3 at the back, maybe for a 2 up front!

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22 Apr 2015 09:23:17
Who is a 'top class coach' then Yuri within reasonable grasp?

This is in no way a criticism to your post, but can you personally name me one who would join, has a proven track record with big sides in big leagues and one who wouldn't be poached by a club with a much larger transfer kitty?

It seems to me that these type of coaches are scarce at present and that if one becomes available, then there will be a bidding war between rival continental clubs.

I'm still a fan of Brendan and will always support him, but it does seem to me that he's lost the dressing room and will be replaced.

Oh yeah, not one to circulate rubbish, but Gerrard did walk out of Melwood.

Not sure of the reason though.

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22 Apr 2015 15:31:14
Flat battery on the Range, apparently Dave.
Alex was coming to pick him up after she'd had her. nails done😜

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21 Apr 2015 22:30:27
To be honest. Even though Rodgers had got us played good football, to be frank, we need to move on and follow in the step of Manchester United to speak of, in a world class Manager that's the reason we can attract quality and top players. As often mentioned here, I will love to go with klopp as our new manager and we should pursue and get Memphis Depay, because I could see another Ronald /Suarez kind of player in him. We need them both to kick off a new Dawn. YNWA

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21 Apr 2015 23:15:24
Can't think of many games we've played good football this season. Man City at home maybe. Swansea at home around Christmas time. Spurs away. Anyone raise me on 3 good performances out of 50 odd?

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21 Apr 2015 23:29:32
The score line away to Spurs flattered us immensely. We were dreadful at the back for large periods of that game only Spurs didn't punish us.

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22 Apr 2015 07:50:56
I agree Essex, it is shamefully a struggle to think of any more 😞

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21 Apr 2015 21:24:05
For me the entire downward slide is due to last summer. If this manager can't get a top class player with 70m in the bank and champions league football, then what chance have we got this season with no money and can't even grab a win against Aston Villa? Not to mention no hope In hell of catching United/City for 4th.
Last year we had to keep our best players and build. Blew it.
It's upto the owners to sort it out,, it's always the owners fault because they pick the committee, pick the manager ect. They put trust in the wrong men and time and time again they throw money at these complete idiots and let them and let them run around with it like a kid with a £50 note in a sweet shop.

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21 Apr 2015 23:59:48
Agree the slide is at least part due to poor strategy over the summer but the owners don't micro-manage to that sort of level and don't deserve criticism here, they were right to give the management team a clear run after coming second last season.

The major concern I have is the inconsistency this year in terms of team selection, team formation, playing people out of position, and rubbish being spouted on a regular basis in the press that undermines confidence. I think if we can get Klopp on board, then let's try move forward with a fresh start, but if not then we should continue to back Rogers and put in a DOF to try control things a little tighter.

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22 Apr 2015 08:20:33
But hasn't it been said here many many many times that BR will not work under a DoF, so what's the point in getting one as it sounds like it will be a power struggle and that's going to be even worst for the club.

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22 Apr 2015 09:52:58
His tactics were terrible at the start of the season and seems to get it wrong in a lot of big games.

Think consensus was before the summer transfer window we needed to get a wide forward, a midfielder, lb, and maybe a GK. Then Saurez left which essentially meant we needed a striker in as well so all in all needed 5 players (FW, ST, CM, LB & GK).

we signed 8 players and of those 5 positions needed only 2 were filled (LB and CB, Moreno & Can). We bought in two strikers none of who replaced saurez, lallana and markovic are more suited centrally then wide forward, and no keeper was brought in. and he spent well over £100 million.

Tactics are wrong, hasn't brought youth through, wasted our transfers budget and failed to even get fourth.

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22 Apr 2015 14:10:59
Can is NOT a CB and it is showing so don`t know why you mentioned that. Lovren was supposed to be the CB we needed and he has not played well.

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21 Apr 2015 20:55:30
Ed2 hearing Liverpool new deal with standard chartered is £30 per season, a £10 increase per season??

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool only received the full amount from SC once.}

21 Apr 2015 21:34:47
Yes spot on for champions league qualification, so if we qualify do we get £30m next time??

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Without knowing the details, Liverpool will get a better deal with CL than without.}

21 Apr 2015 21:55:21
So just a continuation from the original deal ed?? With no champs lge again?? So basically the same deal ye? Just an extra couple of years on the same terms

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{Ed002's Note - The amounts are different but there will be a clause related to CL.}

21 Apr 2015 23:16:33
Beggars can't be choosers as my Mum used to say

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21 Apr 2015 23:21:03
Ed2 so is it £ 30 m if we get CL ?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't know exactly what clauses exist. But the £30M is the maximum - and not getting in to the CL will knock of £5M or so etc..}

21 Apr 2015 23:53:22
Thanks mate xx

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21 Apr 2015 20:34:04
Evening eds is there interest from us in Rui Patricio & William Carvalho of Sporting Lisbon.

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21 Apr 2015 18:40:03
A post asked who do you regret not seen pay in the premier league winner has to be Ronaldinho just watched a you tube video of him oh boy did he had skills

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21 Apr 2015 19:27:10
Met him once when he was at barca, so starstruck.

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21 Apr 2015 20:01:08
Youtube his top 30 skills I was just laughing at how good they were

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22 Apr 2015 01:24:54
He had a chance to join Utd but rejected them and went to Barca.

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22 Apr 2015 10:15:33
Roberto Baggio or Zidane for me. Two of the greatest players ever, and although I've never met Zidane I'm told buy the former that he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

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21 Apr 2015 18:21:02
So guys I want to debate Markovic this season does anybody rate him

I think he lacks natural ability and flair that some players have

I don't no if this is down to him been young and in a new league hopefully next season he is more relaxed and shows why we signed him what's your opinion

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21 Apr 2015 18:31:38
Played massively out of position and often hooked at half time doesn't really give us a fair look I would suggest. He's looked decent for me the few times he's played as part of a front three and he's good technically. Not really what we needed perhaps but that's not his fault. Hopefully get more of a chance to shine under someone who isn't a plank

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21 Apr 2015 18:33:01
Well we are definitely overpaid for Markovic and is being utilsed as a RWB so pointless signing. We had Jordan Ibe ready to step up.

The £20m spent on Markovic could have gone toward a quality striker. We had CL on offer and finished 2nd last season in the EPL.

The amount of money wasted last summer quite honestly is sickening.

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21 Apr 2015 19:30:14
If you ignore the money issue he is a good young player.
I disagree he has no natural flair, he's obviously naturally gifted he just lacks the tactical side of the game for me, when to pass/cross/shoot/dribble/run etc.
if he was coached properly and played in a position that suits him he will grow into a good player.

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21 Apr 2015 19:38:54
Reminds me of berger only not as good. Knocks the ball too far ahead.

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21 Apr 2015 19:40:28
I agree with Mikey. He has obvious talent but then again so did Ryan Babel. That alone isn't enough to make the grade in the top leagues.

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21 Apr 2015 19:42:57
Good fair analysis there mikey couldn't agree more

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21 Apr 2015 20:04:07
I think he works very hard and that's a great quality but doesn't seem to beat players or leave them for dust he is meant to be fast ect

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21 Apr 2015 20:10:41
Decent player, unfortunately been played mostly as a full back/wing back which doesn't seem to suit him. Might some day become excellent or equally anonymous, to early to say which will happen.

That said, we paid well more than what he was worth and didn't really need him. Same as with most of our transfers in the summer.

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21 Apr 2015 20:32:55
See what he's like with a season under his belt .

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21 Apr 2015 21:31:55
I like him. think his first touch is great. he must be wondering what the hell right now because he's here strange country and even stranger tactics? hope he is not made a scapegoat (sometimes I feel that's what BR does) give him a run at his favoured position now we are just going to go through the motions! with a bit of luck it will give him the confidence to push on next year? maybe if he knows he's not getting subbed he may play more freely instead of feeling under pressure? I hope he makes it here.

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22 Apr 2015 01:26:51
He will never be the scapegoat because he did not sign himself nor pick the dreadful systems that don't get the best out of him

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21 Apr 2015 18:19:11
Ed001 - I know you've said that you'd ideally want Klopp when BR goes but you've also said Frank De Boer wouldn't be a bad option. Could you elaborate on your thoughts on De Boer? I suspect he might be more realistic than Klopp but that's a surmation on my part.

I've been trying to watch as many Ajax games as I can. De Boer seems to play 4-3-3, he tries to play at a fairly high tempo with a high press and Ajax look fairly well organised defensively but interested to know your thoughts.

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{Ed001's Note - he follows the Ajax blueprint, the one set out for him by previous generations, and has not deviated from it. I do wonder how he would get on tactically in the Prem. There has been no real way to judge his ability to change things to get more from players when he has a system that he is to follow. The only real imprint he can have is on the team's organisation, but he would need to do so much more if he was appointed here. For starters he wouldn't have a youth academy full of players brought up playing the same system. I am torn on him.}

21 Apr 2015 18:33:39
Thanks Ed, I guess there's only one way to find out if he'll succeed or not . Always an element of risk I guess appointing someone new but he couldn't be any worse!

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21 Apr 2015 19:34:00
He couldn't be any worse?. Oh yes he could, I could name you numerous teams that thought it was a good idea to get rid of their manager only to slide down the table. Just a few examples in Newcastle, Birmingham, Portsmouth Cardiff etc etc.Sometimes you have to b careful of what you wish for

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21 Apr 2015 19:49:11
Seriously? Did you watch the various embarrassing capitulations this season due to Rodgers? De Boer would certainly do no worse! He can organise a defence for one thing and plays with a proper DM each game.

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21 Apr 2015 19:50:38
I agree Red Since 64. We are looking for a manager in the first instance to get us into the top 4 therefore disposing of either Arsenal, Utd, Citeh and Chelsea. Each team much more attractive to play for than Liverpool at very least on the wages front before we talk about players wanting to be located in London. It is by far no easy task for any new manager. I've said before on the wages Liverpool pay compared to the other 4 that we need other things to go for us, namely our youth teams, our scouting network of up and coming talent because let's face it we are not going to sign the Bales or Falcaos of this world or a manager with a tactical know how to get the job done. No easy task imo.

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{Ed001's Note - to compare it with any of those examples he made is little short of idiotic though. Not one of those clubs is in any way shape or form comparable.

Newcastle have a chairman who is solely interested in spending as little as possible and shoving as much money in his fat wallet as possible. They consistently spend a significant amount less than they take in unlike ourselves.

Birmingham had an owner in jail, their finances in complete meltdown, what is their to compare to us?

Portsmouth suffered due to overspending and had a financial meltdown. Again nothing to do with changing manager.

Cardiff have a chairman at war with the fans, it was nothing to do with a change of manager that they are struggling.

All of those examples are just the ridiculous and desperate grasping of a man with no idea about the world of football.}

21 Apr 2015 20:12:40
I agree ed001. Which proves you should read all the post and not just the "be careful what you wish for" bit. Cheers

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21 Apr 2015 20:50:53
Would De Boer be a better manager in the Prem than Rodgers? Ed01 raises a fair concern. On face value, 3 years ago, Rodgers ticked plenty of boxes: good philosophy (I know, I know), prem experience, delivered good football at Swansea on a tight budget.
He has since been found out in terms of tactical nous and flexibility, and transfer dealings, but I fail to see how De Boer looks better on paper right now. Out of the frying pan?.

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21 Apr 2015 21:29:39
To be fair, at the time Rodgers had less Premier League experience than Garry Monk does now and couldn't even say he played in it. It's really pretty shocking we hired him at all, honestly. Point being, De Boer is unproven in the PL sure, but he's well more experienced now than BR was when we hired him.

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21 Apr 2015 21:43:13
I wouldn't want de boer. and I don't go along with players prefer to play in London to Liverpool! I put it down to the manager being able to convince them? I always look at it as if rafa was here ( i'm not saying get him back although i would love it) i really believe if willian and sanchez had to choose when rafa was manager i believe they would of signed for us? FACT!

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21 Apr 2015 23:18:13
Rafa won't be back though. FACT.

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22 Apr 2015 01:47:01
All managers are a gamble. Even Pello was a gamble for City (who had won nada before coming in) when they hired him. You need a bit of luck and a good structure to work under and hope you get a good start which only buys you more time to implement your ideas. A manager has to learn fast, be humble, learn quickly, show leadership and take responsibility for his mistakes. BR wasted his credibility and goodwill via his ego and stubbornness and has hence, messed up his career at LFC. If De Boer has ticks all these boxes, we as a club will give him a chance. He might be unproven in the PL but so was BR (one season in the PL is not enuff, IMO) but he was a great player at big clubs and coached at an institution like LFC in Ajax hence, knows what is like to coached a big club with big expectations. Ed shared a very critical concern which should be looked at but we have to do our research and be convinced that if FDB is the guy, he ticks all the boxes we need to be ticked.

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22 Apr 2015 09:27:14
Yep those players would have signed for Rafa, because he would've paid them wages that would've crippled us like he did with every player he ever signed for us.

Why do people constantly forget that Rafa was a big part of the reason we nearly disappeared from football by paying ridiculous wages to players just to keep them.

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21 Apr 2015 17:50:27
The way i see is if we had a mourinho/ancelloti or basically a top manager at the start of the summer even if they had to sell suarez and spend the same amount we would have at least challenged for the league.In fact they would have probably challenged with the squad we have now.It won't get any better so thank you brendan and goodbye.

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21 Apr 2015 18:24:41
Last few years we have appointed midtable managers or unproven n have bought lots of players from midtable clubs n that has proven to be massive failue n top teams have left us way behind.

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21 Apr 2015 18:54:46
OK Rodgers, over and out.

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21 Apr 2015 09:46:50
Morning eds,

Question for ED001 if he is about please. Just wondered what you make of the signings from last summer now they have had almost a full season and also whether or not you feel Origi has shown enough potential to be a starter?

Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - I still think we signed the wrong players, only Moreno really filled any kind of need we had. While I thought Lovren would do better, we only needed him if he was going to replace Skrtel, pointless signing him otherwise. It just seems we wasted more money, yet again. Not that they are particularly bad players, just they were not what we needed. Well, other than Balotelli, who any idiot could see was a disaster in waiting and anyone who was involved with getting that deal done should have been sacked a long time ago.

Origi has shown me nothing, everytime I try and watch him play he has not been in the team, so I can't offer an opinion.}

21 Apr 2015 18:39:36
sorry have to disagree with you about moreno.when he first came i thought i saw some potential but sadly the more i see the less i rate him he constantly loses sight of the man he should be marking and there has been countless times when the opposition have caught us out on the counter.no give me flanno every time wheh he is fit.another waste of money

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{Ed001's Note - you missed the point, he filled the need, nothing about his ability was mentioned, so why bring it up?}

21 Apr 2015 19:38:55
He's not really played as a left back much this season. It's no wonder he's a bit all over the place.
Only Rodgers could buy a load of players and the one who actually fills the gaping hole gets played out of position as a left wing back. Lol

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21 Apr 2015 23:35:54
What really got me was loaning out Wisdom and selling Martin Kelly for Markovic to play out of position in their role.

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22 Apr 2015 01:50:08
Calm, that is the one that makes my blood boil and shows how clueless BR is with transfers and squad management

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22 Apr 2015 09:29:57
Thanks for the reply Ed was interested what you thought, I had the same issue with Origi. Everytime I watch Lille he isn't playing. Perhaps ED002 could give an opinion on whether Origi has done well at Lille this year or not?

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{Ed002's Note - Origi's season has been patchy at best. Most of it has been poor with the fans unhappy at him, the press on his back and the club more than happy with the money Liverpool has agreed to pay. I stand by my statement that Rodgers will regret using the words "Origi" and "world-class" in the same sentence. He certainly needs a change now, whether or not he is ready for Liverpool or not is perhaps something Rodgers and I don't agree on.}

22 Apr 2015 11:30:34
Thanks eds for the replies.

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21 Apr 2015 14:46:32
Hey eds,

Can clubs open talks with Klopp already? Are there limitations to clubs, such as speaking to a new manager while currently employing a different one? For example, could we approach him right now?

Next question is kinda for ed001, but I'm lazy and didn't wanna make a new post on my phone :).

If we fell out of the top 4 race in the next couple games, do you think FSG might sack BR before season ends?

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{Ed002's Note - ed001 is not around. Klopp is contracted tyo Dortmund but there is nothing to stop clubs talking to his representatives. Nothing that happens in the next two games would cause FSG o sack the manager.}

21 Apr 2015 19:39:07
This is getting tiresome now. why can't you understand that Klopp has no intention of coming to Anfield, so can we stop with the same old questions please

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21 Apr 2015 20:11:30
Red Since 64, since you're very well acquainted with him perhaps you could ring him up and get a quote of him actually saying that. No one knows what he wants. Ed002 suggests that the chances are slim, which I don't doubt. But under the right circumstances, Liverpool could be his best option.

My post was also a question about contracts and stuff.

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21 Apr 2015 21:33:51
How do you know Klopp's intentions? FSG might approach him and he can say no . We should try though.

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22 Apr 2015 01:51:35
Agreed, Essex. We have to try to get Klopp. If he says no then at least we know we tried.

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21 Apr 2015 14:44:01
Alright folks haven't posted in a while, perhaps a question for Ed001 but when we were back looking for a manager in 2004 after Houllier was sacked, was Jose Mourinho ever a likely possibility?

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{Ed002's Note - Ed001 is not available.

The details are not for sharing but by the time the fans drove Houllier out of Liverpool Chelsea had already reached an agreement with Mourinho - so he would never have been a viable option. After agreement was reached Mourinho gave a statement saying he was interested in several jobs, including Liverpool, but he would never join Chelsea as he didn't trust the owner not to run off and leave the club high and dry one day. Generally it is best to ignore what he says.

He also used the trick of having other club phone covers he would show the fans near the dug outs when playing away. I recall him dropping his phone with both Liverpool and Arsenal covers on in the past.

And the laundry basket is true - with Nuno Morais pushing it.}

21 Apr 2015 23:38:12
Cheers Ed, that's interesting, I remember hearing it from someone and had never thought to ask if it were true.

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21 Apr 2015 13:31:44
Dutch Journo Marcel Van Der Kran has said about Depay that Lfc so far have the strongest contact with the club and are in official talks-the board of Psv have told us.

Eds another question about Depay but is there any truth please?

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21 Apr 2015 14:40:45
Cheers mate seen it now. So we have interest and we no what figure is needed which is not an issue either but likely he will join Utd.

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21 Apr 2015 15:14:50
Im aware depay is a winger/attacker but don't we have markovic/lallana/sterling/Ibe in the positions he would be playing?
I don't feel he is what is needed unless one of the above is sold possibly that being sterling.
Even so looks united bound for me. Good player but like markovic another expensive buy on a player that will need a few yeare before he is too class.

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22 Apr 2015 01:53:29
Might b a replacement for Raheem but I doubt it. Prolly using our alleged interest to start a bidding war. Just my opinion

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21 Apr 2015 12:39:27
Edd002 the real Madrid site is very quiet. Can I Ask mate who Madrid want to take over the helm as it looks likely anchelloti is for the chop? Is klopp their preferred option? Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - You have to ask on the Real Madrid site or the Liverpool fans will read something in to it that isn't there.}

22 Apr 2015 09:38:08
There are a couple of names being mentioned at Madrid they like Klopp but Klopp does not like them as he would like a project longer than what Madrid are offering (as I've been told). They are really looking for someone for two years max at which point they feel Zidane will be ready to take the job. Rafa has expressed interest but Madrid are not convinced his brand of football will wash with their fans (and especially not Perez).

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{Ed002's Note - I have answered this on the Real Madrid page - it doesn't include anything about Benitez.}

21 Apr 2015 11:09:24
Eds,

I know you are busy people so I am sorry for taking up your time with yet another question about the management but if we get top 4 do you think that will save rodgers or have the owners already come to a decision do you think? (regardless of who we may go for)I know you may have mentioned it in the past but i'm wondering what the current situation is. Thanks again for the great work on the site - much appreciated.


Cheers,

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed from what I have previously said.}

21 Apr 2015 13:10:55
Think key signing this summer is going to be a striker - so looked through Eds responses about rumoured targets and also others I think we should consider and to summarise:

Linked targets:
-Vietto - 5'8", 20 yrs old - 39 games 18 goals
-Kishna - 6'2", 20 yrs old - 28 games 5 goals
-Ings - 5'10", 23 yrs old - 30 games 9 goals
-Gameiro - 5'10", 27 yrs old - 34 games 14 goals

Potential frees
- Ayew - 5'9'', 25 years old - 23 games 7 goals
- Luiz Adriano - 6'1'', 28 years old - 26 games, 18 goals

Haven't seen much of players linked (mainly youtube tbh) but all seem fairly similar - young skillful players who can play across the front 3 or up top. Seem like they'd fit our system and can improve - except gamerio would probably avoid him tbf.

Vietto seems like he would be the best option but also the least likely to get.

Kishna looks great on youtube but worry about his goal record (plays for ajax in a weaker league) but tbf not seen him so may play more wide which could effect it.

Ings tbf could be an amazing steal (provided we get him) - seen him a few times this season and plays well whilst working hard. Tbf 9 league goals is a great effort considering who he plays and that he doesn't take penalties.

Other two options on a free could be good as well, ayew has plenty of experience and is a versatile forward with pace.

Adriano is more of an out and out striker but has scored a lot of goals in both league and UCL - plus starts for brazil.

But stats give a bit of an idea about them but don't watch as much footy as I would like to and would appreciate anyone's input about the players.

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21 Apr 2015 18:34:41
Really good post mate.

I can't add too much except to say I really like Ings having watched a lot of him this season. He is hardworking, quite strong and quick. His finishing isn't amazing but he has time to improve that considering he is 22. However i'm not sure a move to us would be the best option because may spend a lot of time on the bench. The other issue with him is he is very injury prone and we already have a striker who has this issue so getting another one might not be the best idea. All in all though I like him especially as he won't cost much at all except for the compensation fee which can't be too huge. This would be a good signing for us I think but at least 2 of Borini Balo and Lambertwill have to leave first (remember Origi is coming in at the end of the season).

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21 Apr 2015 23:51:46
I think that is sometimes a problem when you sign versatile attackers is they don't think like strikers when they are in the box. Too often will I see our "false 9" pull of and drift to the edge of the box rather than make that penetrating run to the 6 yard box. When we had Suarez and Sturridge we at least had one of them doing it.I don't know if any of the lads you mentioned are an improvement on what we have. I know Ed002 said we have interest in Ings, he has looked a decent player when I've watched him and I'm interested to see how he would do here.

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21 Apr 2015 12:31:13
This summer I am actually looking forward to John Flanagan returning and hopefully finding his form of last season because in him we have a very good young right back who will turn out top class.
Also will be hoping lovren and lallana under a new manager in pre season will be injury free and show the form of their Southampton days. Both were top class at Southampton.
Lovren needs a huge confidence boost and made a leader in the back line that shouts and organises defence. We have a lot of players who haven't performed this year that under the right man could become top drawer agaiN.

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21 Apr 2015 13:36:43
Spot on! IMO, Lovren has been solid when he plays w/ either Sahko or Toure. When he plays w/ Skrtel, he is a calamity because Skrtel is capable of making other defenders poor due to his well-documented faults. Lallana might not have been needed or was defo over-priced BUT he is a very good player and has shown that when he`s injury-free this season. They might both regain form with a new manager and new ideas because the manager and ideas we have now, have run their course, IMO.

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21 Apr 2015 10:44:15
Can we all stop pumping up Origi as our new Suarez. He's not arrived yet and already is built up to fail.

He's about 20 never played in England and will know no one, let's give him a break and a chance before hailing him as the next coming

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21 Apr 2015 13:38:37
Don`t know who the people pumping him up are because based on the comments I`ve been reading, many of us and the Ed`s have preached caution and recognised that he is NOT the finished article and needs help and support to grow and improve BUT the talent is defo there. those pumping him up are only settting him up for failure.

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21 Apr 2015 13:47:13
You can thank Brendan for overhyping the kid and putting unfair expectation on the kid.

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21 Apr 2015 13:51:43
Barely any one is ''pumping up'' Origi as Suarez infact most people think he's some way off it. you've gone off on one here without any real reason

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21 Apr 2015 14:47:05
Read some of the posts, at least five mention Origi next season finally as a replacement for Suarez or hopefully with Origi coming in he will be like Suarez etc. read earlier posts, it's the reason I posted.

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21 Apr 2015 21:26:16
There was 1 post from coop this morningand still only him, who makes reference to him becoming suarez,all the others are apprehensive about what he will bring or simply mentioning him coming in as a striker.No pumping up. like I say you've gone off on one for no reason

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21 Apr 2015 09:58:45
As you may guess. an avid reader, never before posted.

So.

Who stays and who goes from the most recent signings?

Can - stays, no question.
Markovic - a good first season for a 21yr old and needs to stay.
Lallana - a season of injuries never helped him, but a quality player that must stay surely?
Moreno - a steady first season and only 22! for me has to stay.
Lovern - looks over priced, but only 25! for me has to stay.

Origi - obviously not played with us this season - looking forward to seeing him in a red shirt.

Lambert - at £4m I still think a good value squad player - just Rodgers never saw Sturridge being injured so much! I wouldn't have a problem with him staying as a squad player as an option

Manquillo - doesn't matter, a loan sigining
Balotelli - worth a gamble, didn't work out. Has to leave.

2 to go from 9 isn't bad surely?

As far as bringing in so many new faces, I don't feel it's as bad as everyone is saying. I rememebr a number of people saying Henderson was over priced and a complete waste of money and to get rid! - now look - the same people are claiming he's the new Gerrard! Maybe he is - but only because he has had the time to settle.

I hope Rodgers stays - I fear a new manager will see the in and out of around 10-15 players and we really will suffer for another 2 or 3 seasons as very few players arrive and hit the ground absolutely flying, scoring 30 a season and winning awards.

I don't get where all this "get rid of the manager" and "get rid of all his signings" mentality has come from - it's not what I've seen as Liverpool FC being about.

YNWA.

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21 Apr 2015 10:21:05
I agree with some of what you say. I don't want any of the summer signings bar Balotelli to be sold as I do think they have time on their side to improve and some players do need it (Ronaldo was awful for 2-3 years at united).

I'm not sold on Lovren but I would keep him as we can't really afford to be spending more money on defenders again and we will be unlikely to recoup anywhere near what we paid for him.

I'm actually in favour of signing nobody and using our youth team, we already lost too much time with some good young players thanks to Rodgers insistence on not playing them and many will now leave the club.

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21 Apr 2015 10:35:32
To be fair Moreno has been a total let down . Wether that's don't to Rodgers or not I don't know . He's caused so many goals . If lovern is getting battered then he should do to . He's young and hope he learns . But I don't lay it on the new guys . Not lamberts fault he's out of he's dept. balotelli we all knew was a waster. Some players at lfc who are held higher than what they actually are . I like can and coutinho and Lucas on he's day . Ibe I like . Jury out on lallana and lovern .

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21 Apr 2015 10:37:26
You make to much sense, you're not allowed here ;)

Good post

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21 Apr 2015 10:41:02
The quality of the signings aren't the issue, it's the fact we didn't need half of them, over-paid and playing them all out of position regularly hasn't helped either. What we needed was a striker and he didn't get a proven scorer in. We have 4 strikers when sturridge is out at a cost of 40 mil all bought by BR. One has been shipped on loan and the other 3 rarely get played, if they score they get dropped. Sorry but we are only slightly better off after 3 years because we have a marginally better squad which BR spent over 200 million on. Kenny got sacked for having more success than BR in 18 months so why should
BR be given yet more time and money?? If he had said to FSG this will be the outcome of my first 3 years in charge and how much it would cost them do you think there is a chance in hell they would have appointed him? No, so why would we perservere with him with so little improvement?

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21 Apr 2015 11:54:59
Sure, you wouldn't mind having them. Think of it this way: What is you are given the choice of buying all 9 of them with the season they have had with LFC. Would you buy them? Thought so.

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21 Apr 2015 12:24:56
Balo been better than ball hog Sturridge for a while. Bidders just refuses to play him

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21 Apr 2015 13:35:25
Last season was the biggest improvement in many a year. Selling a player and bringing in as many young players who can be taught to play a certain way makes perfect sense.
It won't all come together in one season with so many new faces. If the same happens again this summer with transfers, we'll be in the same position again.
With the exception of Origi, for obvious reasons, 2 players to go from the 9 is a good percentage.

I only wouldn't buy Balotelli or loan Manquillo.

Lambert is an utter bargain for £4m as a squad/option player and Borini should have gone out the door when he came - but refused!

Up there fo the next 4-5 seasons is a CB, LB, CM, 2xAM and FW.

It is utter insanity to say to players: "Hey! Come play for us, you have 9 months to be the best in England or you can. OFF"

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21 Apr 2015 14:21:51
No, it does not make sense. When you almost won the PL, you may have lost your best player BUT you don`t go rebuilding a whole new squad which would only set you back 2 years because they will need time to blend and that type of time we do not have because we`ve already pent 25 years in "transition". All we needed to do was bring in 3 top players to a)replace his goals and b) make the first team squad better. he did NONE of these. This along with his well-documented blunders have set us back this year and we will be in a mess come this summmer for whatever manager (I hope) comes in. Swisch is also right that BR after 3 years and over 200m wasted should be held accountable for his broken promises and not be rewarded for mediocrity and failure/ if Kenny got the sack after winning a trophy and rafa got the sack for winning 4 trophies, why should BR be kept for winning NOTHING? Care to answer that?

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21 Apr 2015 15:37:25
Why 200m wasted? All players are some form of asset, that's simple.

Kenny took the job until they found the right person, that was always the way it was going to be. He said so himself. Everyone said he wasted the money as well, along with every other manager previous since we won the league.

It's the same as when people bang on about wasting £35m on Carrol - We didn't, Chelsea paid for him because we don't have the resources. Hence why they took Torres for £50m - so £35m of it went straight to Newcastle.

What we sell we use to buy.

To get rid of Saurez and buy 3 top players? What's a top player? Someone at Real or Barca? Liverpool can't afford: a) The fee and b) The wages.

It would have utterly crippled the club to replace Saurez with say:
Cavani, Falcao and the various other £175,000+ £50m+ plus players.

Bringing in 9 players allowed the squad to grow in size and depth - lest you forget how many more games we needed toplay this season.

Your right - we don't need any mroe transition. So why go and get another new manager and whole new set of players. I presume we should bring in a top manager with those top players? Again - something we can't afford and people we can't attract!!

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{Ed002's Note - Dalglish took the job until sacked as the result of the action of Suarez.}

22 Apr 2015 04:07:00
Liverpool, spent over 110 mil last summer- easily could have bought 3 quality first team players and their wages i'm sure would be less than the combined of the 9 or so players he did buy. Had we done that we wouldn't be looking back on this season with the highlight being going out to chelsea in the semi -final of the league cup. we had a big squad- BR shipped them all out on loan after deciding after 9 months they weren't good enough and went and bought another load of players that no doubt he will do the same with given the chance. he could have bought 3 first teamers and started giving some of that squad a fair chance as well as some of the youth players.

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21 Apr 2015 08:10:05
Hi eds I've read the previous replies on Depay but it seems over the past week there has been movements with United as Ed002 said he expected, there are reports again of Liverpool moving forward also. Any truth or is he nailed on for United? Looks a good player and could replace Sterling or cover for Sturridge perfectly

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer questions with the word "nailed on" in. The only thing that has changed is that PSG are now talking to PSV about the player as there interest is ramping up.}

21 Apr 2015 08:32:33
Well you expected not to put words in your mouth sorry! Cheers for the reply, would be nice to see the club go for him but I doubt we could turn his head against the spending power of PSG and United having a manager previously worked with him and European football

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{Ed002's Note - I didn't say that either.}

21 Apr 2015 09:15:41
Most likely, I misinterpreted. If PSG were to sign him who would it effect most strikers such as Cavani or the wide players like Lucas Ed, do PSG have a big summer planned and could players like Pastore come available? Not just for Liverpool

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{Ed002's Note - You have to ask such questions on the European pages Alex.}

21 Apr 2015 07:48:15
Thank fowler Henderson is about to sign a new deal! The next major decision is to back to 4 in defence!

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21 Apr 2015 09:52:03
I agreed with this just for the use of 'thank fowler' probably my favourite liverpool player of all time for many reasons.

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21 Apr 2015 14:22:28
Nice one!

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21 Apr 2015 06:41:06
De telegraph is a respectable establishment so I believe what they said about our interest in depay but just to have a clear idea what have you heard recently regarding depay ?

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{Ed002's Note - Why not try the search function?}

21 Apr 2015 04:05:14
Hi Eds,
Things are not going particularly well for Liverpool at the moment. There are growing unrest about BR's future but I'm sure that will only be determined at the end of the season. My question is, IF Rodgers were to be sacked, will it in any way affect our current transfer targets? I'm sure every manager will have their own list of players they want to manage. Thanks!

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{Ed002's Note - There would likely be some minor differences.}

21 Apr 2015 00:15:26
Eds the papers have gone wild tonight like you said they would (spindoctors/depay HA! ASIF!).

The thing is they are saying Rodgers is staying for another season while use say the axe will be swung due to broken promises, not to mention overruling the scouts for all 3 Southampton players (which should be a sackable offence on its own when looking at the cost of them!)

The thing i don't get is you kept the Suarez thing quiet even though it was obvious he was going and your doing it again now with Rodgers! I know ED1 has moved house, so may not be in the loop this week & Ed2 won't put a likely hood on it either, is it possible you guys can see if wonderdog can let us know a bit of what is going on (surprise surprise the club is a mess again!!!)

Thanks in advance!

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{Ed002's Note - I don't think the Suarez situation was kept too quiet. And I have explained, Sunday's result will not have changed anything.}

21 Apr 2015 08:56:27
I think .............

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{Ed002's Note - Try not to be so disrespectful to people. You know nothing of the editors at all.}

20 Apr 2015 18:33:39
Hi ed01 just wondering what in your thinking would constitute a perfect summer for the club. For me a monchi/klopp appointment followed by Leno khedeira and vietto to go with the squad we have perhaps Milner for experience and release gerrard toure Johnson. Sell skrtel Enrique Coates borini balo lambert Allen aspas alberto. And renew contracts for ibe sterling hendo and flan no. Like I said perfect summer just wanted your thoughts on what you would like for the club.

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{Ed001's Note - no such thing as a perfect summer, we will not be playing so how can it be perfect? I just want the right men appointed to take the club forward, nothing else really matters.}

21 Apr 2015 07:49:50
What if that man is Roy Hodgson?

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21 Apr 2015 08:28:03
that man is not roy hodgson

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21 Apr 2015 14:38:20
With Ed on this one. The right people need to be appointed to help us because IMO, we are not that far away. we just need better management (from top to bottom), a clear vision and strategy as well as better use and investment in our academy. we already have a very good core of firt teamers. all we need is 3 top players to come into he first team and plug our glaring needs (goals, defensive shape and so on)

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