Liverpool Banter Archive August 21 2015

 

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21 Aug 2015 20:27:43
Like them or not, you got to admire the way Chelsea deal with negotiations for player transfers. They have now come in and taken a fair few players who were within others clubs' grasps such as Salah, Willian, Pedro.

To be fair to us, we were decent this summer as opposed to previous windows.

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22 Aug 2015 05:20:15
Pogba and Pedro ll retain the title.

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22 Aug 2015 07:55:34
If they get Pogba they'll retain title. If they don't they've bought no one who will strengthen their first team imo.

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22 Aug 2015 08:29:34
Pogba is one of the number of names Chelsea would try to get in. Pedro is a good addition and will score goals. Rahman is another addition which was necessary. I expect them to bring in one CM.
A possible trio of Matic - Fabregas - Pogba.

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22 Aug 2015 10:34:12
I always admire Chelsea in the way they deal with things.

I don't dislike them as my dislike towards Utd and Everton will always be up there.

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22 Aug 2015 11:41:49
I'll be surprised if they get Pogba.
Can you see Pedro doing all the tracking back as well ?
Not for me.
Salah was a pointless purchase too.

It remains to be seen if they can bring in anymore before the transfer window closes but I think that they make some silly purchases like the rest of us, though they have developed an ability to sell-on without losing value.

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22 Aug 2015 12:48:10
It also helps when you have there cash!

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22 Aug 2015 12:55:34
Juicer

Pedro ll score something Willian and cuardado couldn't. Chelsea is the only English club who could buy Pogba.

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22 Aug 2015 13:46:32
i seem to remember pedro being the kind of player that does help defend alot.

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22 Aug 2015 14:45:51
I do admire Harry pretending to be in the know lol.

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22 Aug 2015 16:18:44
I think Rahman will prove to be a very astute signing. He did an excellent job for Augsburg and top quality LBs are few and far between.

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22 Aug 2015 17:49:07
In fairness to cuadrado he hasn't been given a chance. Neither has Salah!

I'm also pretty sure City could get pogba!

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22 Aug 2015 20:35:40
IMO, I think Pedro is a pointless signing as he's no better than Willian nor Hazard. He's an upgrade on Cuadrado, but then again, this lettuce sandwich that I'm eating would be an upgrade on Cuadrado.

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22 Aug 2015 23:21:22
As with any team, their transfers often leave a lot to be desired.

That said, their youth & loan management seem to be light years ahead of us.

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23 Aug 2015 10:00:47
The thing I admire about Chelsea is how they can sell absolute junk for a kings ransom. Mind you a lot of traders do that in Chelsea.

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21 Aug 2015 18:54:22
I like Emre Can as a player and think we should be building our team around him. My only problem with him is he looks like there's always a red card in him. I'm glad he's got a bite in his game, something we miss I think, but I don't know whether it's a rush of blood or not

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21 Aug 2015 20:01:39
My concern is he's very slow over the first 5-10 yards and he needs to build a head of steam in running . He needs to work on this . He's got a it about him . Looks heavy to me . I do like him and hope he has a top season tho . Obv

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21 Aug 2015 20:02:59
He is still quite young. All that is required is a bit of experience. I can remember a young Gerrard throwing himself into tackles. He will learn.

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21 Aug 2015 20:45:00
Totally agree 5ive. Can does appear to have a slow acceleration and he seems to take quite considerable time to turn his body around.

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21 Aug 2015 21:36:41
I know he's thought of very highly in Germany. Can should be playing he hasn't had a decent run of games IMO

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21 Aug 2015 22:01:46
He is carrying to much weight.

He's not obese or anything but he's very top heavy.

His speed won't improve an awful lot but his stamina is woeful aswel.

I expect the if he gets games fitness issues but I'm not pointing out that.

His body is an issue.

I saw him in the under 21 euros and he is looking out of breathe and very leggy within 20 minutes.

There could be a lot worse things he needed to work on.

My only fear is he has had his last growth spurt with still being a kid and has filled out a bit and it is his natural build rather than stuff he is tacking on in the gym or burger kings.

Enough rambling

Slim fast Mr Can that is all.

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21 Aug 2015 22:06:00
Gerard was dynamic . Great stride on him . Rash when he was young but could tackle . Every pass in the book a superb strike . No point in in a comparison in any level . Can is a great retriever of a situation and has ability . But a dm he is not . I fear arsenal will pass him out along with Milner . Brenda needs to change tack and not go with the previous 2 games formation .

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21 Aug 2015 22:15:11
Great point by 5ive, that's my concern. I think he will be ok and Jan Molby is a good reference point in this respect. He the first 5-10 to get going but was then unstoppable. He had to be eased in for first two seasons but found his niche and strength after that. That said, patience of players and fans alike to allow development ain't what it used to be. Also the game is faster with less breaks in play.

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21 Aug 2015 23:26:51
Was on a flight he was on this week. there's not a pick on him!

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21 Aug 2015 23:57:38
Big Jan hardly moved 10 yards in a game! The centre circle was his domain.

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22 Aug 2015 03:11:09
I agree - he looked slow and lacking mobility against Bournemouth - he's a tank when moving forward with the ball and clearly has a ton of talent but it does concern me defensively against the likes of Arsenal who rely on speed and quick movement that he'll be given the run around.

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22 Aug 2015 05:12:42
Can looks like a man against boys for the German U21s. For me, he will be one of the top midfielders worldwide soon enough and will end up captaining Germany in a couple./few tournaments.

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22 Aug 2015 07:08:07
For a player whose biggest weakness is positioning should never be shorn as a DM. He is a kickass B2B player for me.
We are in trouble with Lucas exit. Real trouble.

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22 Aug 2015 08:22:48
He is clearly not obese perhaps too muscular but that must be his natural build. His speed is fine off the mark and agility wise he is not the greatest and perhaps some specific training may help.

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22 Aug 2015 08:35:31
He's speed is far from fine off the mark .

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22 Aug 2015 12:13:28
Lucas going.

I'd rather it was Brenda.

How can he not see the importance of this player ?

Bournemouth were unlucky. Arsenal will be the real test.

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22 Aug 2015 14:40:01
Irish Rover to say Jan Molby couldn't run is ridiculous.

Do you not remember this Molby goal?

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22 Aug 2015 15:41:32
Thank you Mr D, irish rober may also like to remember the 86 cup final, molby ran the game in the second half playing in both halves of the pitch.

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22 Aug 2015 16:35:16
Molby was built like a tank but mobile like Can.

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22 Aug 2015 19:27:44
I think we've got to stop comparing him to Gerrard to begin with. Cans a solid lad and a good tackler but lacks that driving pace that Gerrard had. Over 20 yards he gets up to speed and powers past players. I stick to it that the midfield should be built round him whether he's there as a DLP or a DM. He might be wasted as a DM but I'm sure he could play a similar style/position to how Gerrard played in our 13/14 season.

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22 Aug 2015 20:06:22
Great goal Mr D!

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22 Aug 2015 21:30:53
I wasnt comparing Can to Gerrard only that in Gerrards youth he was a bit rash also.

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21 Aug 2015 02:50:10
Right I have seen ed2 knocking about today so I have to ask.

What I will point out first is;

I am an ordinary fan absolute no inside knowledge of the finances or latest transfer rumours

I am trying to make it seem sensible by just using a simple logic, which I understand can simply infuriate ed2

But

Actually quite a few questions but bare in mind my above comments

Has ffp been relaxes this year and is it looking likely to be relaxed in the future seasons. Does this apply to only teams under ffp restrictions or all teams?

How can (and yes I know the dosh got divided up between player and old club) Liverpools bringing in of 49mil and only spending out 80 mil bring us within any real major issues.

I get there is added on fees for taxes, agents, pay offs on contracts and everything else you have given us over the years.

But how exactly and how much does it work for this transfer window

Is it more the equivalent of about 100 million spent including all the extra fees and how much of sterling's money can we actually put down as income?

An db back to ffp I thought it was meant to be only the clubs money that could be spent, getting rid of sugar daddy's and pretty much solidifying all the clubs in the there positions by there income.

Pretty much making the United, bayerns, barcelonas, reals of this world the complete top dogs.

Bringing me back to city whose 100 odd mil is actually getting spent on these players? Is it the owners?

Ed I've gone on there I do apologise and tbh the most of it seems childish at best but it's just getting on my nerves now not completely knowing the whole situation

Thanks if this gets answersed

And no thanks if I end up on the other posts page. Haha (gives a little laugh in the hope ed will answer this because I'm such a likable fella)

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{Ed002's Note - (a) The relaxations were the dropping of costraints on three sides that had been imposed regarding the differential between buying and selling players - regardless of income. As an example, if a club had £100M available to spend on players in addition to sales, it was limited to less than that so they could not simply go out and buy. The second aspect relates to UEFA trying to deflect a legal challenge from a Spanish club and are looking to relax the investment that can be made – but are still aware that they need to deal with other issues, most notably the capping of television income and sponsorship. UEFA has spoken to a number of clubs but have generally not found them supportive – all three English sides spoken to are against the plans to relax the investment cap. However, UEFA has now turned to the association of European clubs and they are keen to have some input. They are traditionally ignored but they have been actively discussing this issue with UEFA. However, they are excluded from the discussions that UEFA and specific clubs have with each other – and it is that forum that will eventually settle on the more critical television revenue and commercial sponsorship caps. The relaxation that has been proposed related to a club providing advanced warning (by the end of the previous year that they have additional money to invest that will breach the FFP regulations but it will be a one off event. There will regardless be a relaxation this summer, but it may not be sustained without ratification – and that won’t happen anytime soon. None of this will be good for the English sides. The worry UEFA has is that the two potentially largest beneficiaries both play in the French league and they may be accused of favouritism. It will benefit Manchester City as well - as the deficit constraint has been removed. (b) Liverpool are going to be in breach again this season unless they can get significant additional income - and the way to do that is to sell players or find additional sponsors who will stump up cash right away. (c) The whole point is that clubs should move toward being self-sufficient - and not like Liverpool which has built very significant debt in recent years - borrowing against future income. (d) One downside of FFP is that it has for now created a gap between those clubs that have money and are self-sufficient (Arsenal, MAnchester United, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and Barcelona notably) and those below them and then everyone else. This is the reason for providing the new money relaxation - so if Liverpool were sold to, for example, Red Bull, in October of 2016 and they wanted to pump even more money in to the club in the summer of 2017 then they coukd inform UEFA by December 31, 2016 and that would be allowable. (e) Manchester City have significantly higher income than many sides - and much of that comes from "sponsorship" which is currently uncapped - this is an ongoing issue that will again be discussed in Monaco at the end of next weeks by those clubs who are trying to work to stop UEFA simply appling new regualtion without full consideration. But right now the MC spending can be accounted for by the lifting of the limitation between spending and selling, and the additional income they have through various forms of sponsorship.

Additionally, meetings have been held including representatives of the French FFF and Spanish RFEF to discuss their concerns over the new EPL television deal and the deal Real Madrid and Barcelona has in Spain. They approached UEFA with a view to capping TV income in the same way as commercial sponsorship for the purposes of FFP. No resolution is in place. This upsets EPL clubs, Bundesliga clubs, Real Madrid and Barcelona. The other get support from other nations such as Italy and the Netherlands should they ask for it. The further complication relates to what happens when the breakaway clubs run for the pan-European league. The Spanish club know that opens up the Real Madrid and Barcelona second string sides to La Liga - so they want assurances that (a) they can only use the extant stadia, and not the main stadia, and (b) the television rights will then be shared equally - regardless. This has been raised in a meeting of the breakaway sides in Monte Carlo last year with UEFA present and an unbiased journalist sat in to moderate - at the agreement of all parties. It remains partially resolved only. Two clubs are still looking to accelerate the pan-European league breakaway - and are now proposing this again using the recent FIFA issues as an excuse. They will lose that vote next week.}

21 Aug 2015 20:48:44
Ed002 you say that Barcelona are one of the clubs that are self-sufficient, yet i remember Ed001 saying they are in major debt too a bank and would almost go under if the bank recalled the debt? Any chance you could clear this up please?

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{Ed002's Note - They are entirely self-sufficient due to their annual revenue being around €600M - which is more than double that of Liverpool. It is nothing to do with debt.}

21 Aug 2015 22:18:01
Firstly thanks for such a great reply.

Now I imagine it is the lower end clubs from the leagues which are trying to get commercial and TV revenue deals capped, I wouldn't be surprised to see maybe the Munichs in there aswel because when you hear from any of there board members they have always seem to have a moan about the English clubs money etc.

How and can they do this? Will this not make more clubs challenge for changes to all ways of making money?

Will there not be pushes then for caps spent in transfer windows and wages.

I ask because the clubs that are pushing for these types of issues to be dealt with are fighting for a more even playing field but by putting limits on the big clubs spending they will also be restricting themselves as the bigs all make more money.

Will this impact the fans and make them try to make more money through tickets sales and shirts. To make up the difference on what can be lost in the capped revenue streams or will it all be affected?

Is this any sort of conspiracy for when this all gets passed and the blockers get put on all revenue streams that the bigger clubs will go oh f this and try and force the pan league with the hope that the fans will be more open with the anger they will have at all the caps coming into place.

I have gone on an again ed and I do apologise.

I have more to ask but have gone on so much I have forgot if it comes back to me I'll post again.

Thanks again for the reply above :)

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{Ed002's Note - (a) More than half of the top twenty ranked teams in Europe are pushing for TV and commercial income caps for the purposes of FFP. (b) There are caps on the money that can be spent on transfers already. (c) There are caps on the total amount of wages clubs can pay in some countries (e.g. France). (d) UEFA want to introduce a sponsorship cap for FFP but have so far been unable to agree an annual figure - so the clubs that meet regularly to discuss a number of issues have been trying to agree a figure themselves, knowing that UEFA would agree to that figure. The clubs are meeting at the end of next week and it will no doubt be discussed again. To date the clubs have been arguing between two figures, but there are two clubs that will likely continue to vote against an agreement as it is not in their best interests. (e) Match-day income through ticket sales is not as significant for many clubs as fans think - it provides about 20% of Liverpool's revenue at the last count as I recall. (f) Clubs do not get the money from shirt sales The money from shirt sales goes to the manufacturer, the distributor and the retailer, who can make extra adding numbers and names to the shirts. If the club are the retailer (club shop, club website etc.) then they get the retailers cut. The manufacturer (Adidas, Umbro, Nike etc.) pay the club an amount each year which allows them to manufacture and sell the shirts using the correct logos etc.. That is how they justify the money given to the club. So if you walk in to a high street store and buy a Liverpool or Arsenal shirt - nothing goes to the club. There are a few clubs that have negotiated different deals with manufacturers (Real Madrid with Adidas and Barcelona with Nike are the two obvious examples) based upon joint reselling ventures. So the income from shirts is fixed to the £xM or whatever Adidas, Nike etc. pay the club plus a small amount for reselling through the club retail outlets (shop, web)). (g) The blocks are not on the revenue streams but the use of the money for calculating FFP figures and therefore what clubs can spend on transfers.}

21 Aug 2015 22:45:52
Thanks very much for sharing this insight into the higher echelons of the game Ed.
There is simply nowhere else that the ordinary fan on the street could even hope to have an idea of how matters are developing on these sorts of issues.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

21 Aug 2015 07:43:09
Ed02 have the rules on players being registered changed from last season as the amount of players that have come in is pretty similar to the amount that have left. So I don't understand the issue I know we have had some return from loans but surely that gives us the flexibility to send others out on loan to even the numbers out?

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{Ed002's Note - See previous answer.}

21 Aug 2015 15:11:12
FSG - I know that Ed001 will be doing one of his (and Benny's) great podcasts on FSG soon but I thought I'd express some opinions here as a precursor. Before I start I'd like to say I'm no expert and only really have the internet as my source. but here goes.

FSG bought LFC for £300m a majority of which (£237m) was used to cover debt accrued by the evil pairing of H&G. Most (if not all) of us were overjoyed and are eternally appreciative as they kept the Administration wolves from our door and replaced bad with good owners. people forget we were days away from administration and an automatic points deduction that could have been disastrous. Unlike H&G John Henry and the FSG partners gave money on an interest free basis (non-interest bearing loans) to the club since taking over and although I do not know our current situation the books from March 2014 indicated that £68.9m was owed to the FSG holding company UKSV. So we have an immediate outlay by FSG of £369m and this doesn't include the current stadium expansion (just in excess of £150m). This means that FSG would have spent more than £520m before even accounting for transfer activity. Is this sustainable with such little success?

Couple this with their business activity. Our commercial activities have steadily increased since FSG bought us. As of 2014 we stood fifth but it is worrying that not only have we not closed the gap to the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea but that gap has actually increased. That said, our owners have a good model and that gap is due to reduce with the stadium expansion and they are still to explore other commercial turnover activities that could lift us into the top four of clubs in relation to business activities. So from a business perspective FSG have been very good for us at LFC given a paltry return of one single trophy in the time of their ownership. more importantly they have been very good for themselves should they decide to sell up.
(sourced from http://tinyurl.com/p77zk4w )

But then we get to transfer activity and the niggling question on advice and lack of knowledge begin to poke us. but that's for Ed001 and Benny Baller in one of their podcasts. Some of the questions I'd love to hear their opinions on include: 1] Is there a strategy to the LFC transfer policy? ; 2] Is the transfer Committee a good idea? ; 3] Were Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh used as scapegoats to cover bigger failings? ; 4] Is our turnover of staff too high compared to other clubs and does that make our strategies disjointed? ; 5] Is our youth policy in danger of being a feeding farm for other clubs with the lack of career development that seems to plague our Academy prodigies?. I better stop because the list goes on and on. Ed001 is right, it will need much longer than one hour. perhaps a part 1, 2 and 3.

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{Ed001's Note - I am going to talk about the situation with Pascoe and Marsh to a degree in the next podcast, I have made a note of the questions though to answer when we get a chance.}

21 Aug 2015 16:58:01
Ed001, is there a chance you doing these Podcast could jeopardise your relationships with insiders and risk them refusing to pass information on to you for fear of facing punishment from the club?

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{Ed001's Note - no because I never say who it is giving me the info and I do know a lot of people within the club and ex-exployees etc. So there are a lot of possible people that could have told me the info.}

21 Aug 2015 18:31:40
the site is meant for fans to get a little insight to club, and i'm very sure ed001 and ed002 will have plenty of info, ones which they can share and ones which they cant. so i think its safe to say the infos we get are the ones that they can share, you can't have it all.

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21 Aug 2015 20:17:31
The "Days from administration" is a myth. Ed002 has already explained that it would never have came to that.

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22 Aug 2015 05:40:00
The Irish Rover - regardless of what Ed002 has said (which I did not see) I went on what Christian Purslow said back in 2012 to Radio 5 Live when he declared that fickle fans had short memories as "it's only 15-16 months ago we were a day away from being in administration." He might of taken some dramatic license and it may very well be "myth" but it was said as a fact by our then Managing Director. who was later removed for disagreeing with FSG on stadium plans.

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22 Aug 2015 09:46:24
Am I allowed to ask how you met all these people?

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{Ed001's Note - you want me to go through them one by one explaining how I met them?}

22 Aug 2015 11:52:07
Well not exactly, just a general explanation. maybe how it all began? I'd actually be really interested to hear that.

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{Ed001's Note - maybe one day I will do that on a podcast, maybe during the offseason when there is no news.}

22 Aug 2015 12:58:54
Hi Ed001. if you want I've done some intro/outro music for the podcast. just email me with a place to send the file (256kb MP3) it's only 659kb and 28 seconds long.
Rey ;)

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{Ed001's Note - ok great thanks, emailed you

21 Aug 2015 15:05:56
Eds with Hendo being injured is it likely Lucas is considered or are his days numbered wirh us?

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{Ed001's Note - it is more likely Can comes in.}

21 Aug 2015 14:52:18
I saw a little glimpse on Monday night.

Oh and I mean a tiny little glimpse, it was only really one move but

From my thinking Lallana had his most productive system in a team on the right hand side with Clyne behind him.

I feel when I am watching him

1. He is either under instruction to keep the ball simple and not to try anything spectacular

Or

He isn't confident enough to try something without fear of losing the ball but he had a really good turn and run at the defence when he appeared infront of Clyne

I was hoping Brendan has put him over there but I think he had just floated there.

I think he feels more confident trying something and maybe losing hb it with Clyne behind him to cover him

I would like us to give it a go because if that doesn't work then frankly it just isn't going ng to.

He's been tried on the left and centre and I think he's just not suited to any

I will admit tho I though when he was Brough in it was ti play alongside Hendo providing an attacking threat from the middle and to help gerrard with his energy levels.

I love him but at this moment he is like salt it makes everything ng that bit nicer but it really isn't needed.

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21 Aug 2015 13:40:15
NOTE TO BR
Keep Lucas, good player, loves the club and btw we are not exactly blooming with CDM at the effing moment. stop mugging him off!!

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21 Aug 2015 17:04:26
Let it go kid, it's old news now and no one can stop it.

Move on.

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21 Aug 2015 13:30:22
I have already given my opinion on team shape etc. It's on the top of the teams page 3. So onto squad position in my opinion.
The management team because of our early transfer business have had pretty much the whole summer to look at everyone.
Now whether we agree or disagree with the management team(I say team because BR although may have the final say I'm sure will consult with his other coaches) every player will know where they stand as regards to their future with the squad.
If a player is not prepared to stay and fight for a place in the matchday squad regardless of who they are or what they have done in the past would you really want them at the club.
We all have our own ideas of who should start etc but it's not our jobs on the line if it doesn't work out. We don't see what happens in training on a daily basis, players attitudes etc. There are 4 professionals there for that.
They also have to take into account advice from the medical dept which we are also not privy to.
Sometimes there are reasons why certain players are not picked apart from lack of form.
Now I'm not a big fan of BR but I can also see that there are other circumstances as to why players are not selected.
To me it seems like no matter what matchday squad, team selection,formation or tactics used is just another excuse for people to have a whinge no matter the result of the game.
Every little decision of the club from the owners down is met with derision.
No player has a divine right to expect to start if he doesn't have the right attitude in training or behind the scenes and that goes for every team in the land.
People are too quick to jump on the band wagon. People conveniently forget that Sakho stormed out of the ground like a spoilt child because he wasn't selected one day.
There are plenty of games and with injuries and suspensions it's up to the players themselves to earn a place and stay in the team. Isn't that how it's always been. I'm sure Joe Gomes didn't expect to be starting so soon, but hey he kept his head down worked hard and kept his place.
Every player that wants to play for this club should at least be able to give 100% every day to earn a start and that should be a given. Anyone who's not prepared for that then doesn't deserve to be here. And maybe that's why Toure was in the squad and not Sakho, or why Joe Allen is picked for the squad instead of someone else.
But 100% commitment is the least that should be expected from any player on a daily basis.

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22 Aug 2015 02:31:43
Simon, your post is just filled with suppositions and innuendos. We have the Eds to thank for getting us info on the goings on within the club which is why we know why BR picks his favs over other players regardless of form and that's how we know why BR threats his non favs like crap. What has Lucas or Sahko done to deserve the dreadful treatment he's getting? Players have bust ups with managers all the time but to you, that is a reason to be benched or sold. At that rate, Ramos should have been sacked for slating Mou in person or CR should have been sacked for telling Rafa off or Rooney should have been banished by after give for the many bust ups they had. Nonesensical! If players aren't good enuff, you have your eyes to use and form an op when you watch games. Giving the manager a pass just because you're not involved in day to day workings at the club is just stupid. A manager's job is to be a leader of nemen and manage personalities. His job is not to alienate players just because they stood up to him when he doesn't have the back bone to tell the players to their faces honestly as to why he does not rate them. I know this because the Eds have said as much and not because I was there. If you don't have better info to prove the Ed's info wrong, all you have is that, suppositions and inuendos.

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22 Aug 2015 08:50:31
I'm not giving anyone a pass Red. I watched with my own eyes on the last day of the season when both Lucas and Sakho started and we were demolished by Stoke.
It's a new season and the manager has a new back room team. They have fresh eyes on the players every day in training.
I also don't dispute what Ed01 has said about his contacts within the club.
The whole point of my post was a perspective about attitude of players in training and day to day workings within the club. It's an opinion to which I am entitled to show that there maybe just maybe a reason as to why certain players are chosen ahead of others.
Tactically maybe the players left out weren't needed either. I don't know only the management team know that.
The senseless name calling, insults and general hatred of all things concerning BR and the owners is what does annoy me though. It's childish and petty and a lot of posters have been doing it.
I have no love for the manager or the owners but I would never stoop so low as to print some of the bile I've read.
I am not going to base my opinions on hearsay, because regardless who the source is(no offence Eds) unless you are in the room and hear a conversation yourself, 3rd party accounts are not always 100% accurate.

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22 Aug 2015 18:34:47
Simon, again you pick and choose what works for your argument. You say you have no idea what's going on at the club yet you say you don't believe in hearsay info. Trying to have it both ways, I see. I will ask again, if you have no way of debunking what the eds provide, then why are you here? None of us are in the room at Anfield yet we are all here to get juicy snippets of what's going on but because it seems that doesn't suit your point, you come up with "well, none of us really knows what's going on" bit. For someone who doesn't care for the coach, you sure give him the benefit of the doubt. You are picking isolated incidents to suit your narrative. Prob with that is that it leaves so many holes in your argument. You pick the Stoke game to pick on Sahko whereas not a soul in that game played well and you conveniently forget the dreadful team selection BR made with six midfielders and no strikers which IMO, led us to getting hammered. See what I mean? Unlike you, I take the body of work to make judgments. Lucas and Sahko were the key reasons we kept those clean sheets that almost got us top four during our undefeated run after Jan. Denying that is just plain wrong. You also seem to forget that BR has wanted both of them gone, per Ed01. See, I picked a span of games while you picked only one. All in all, you have your op and that's fine. My beef with posts like yours is that it seems you are trying to have it both ways. By saying you don't care for the manager YET you give him the benefit of the doubt by saying the eds info is not accurate yet you can't debunk their info or trashing Sahko by picking the one game BR messed up in and forgetting the ones he played well in. Unlike you, I have been consistent through out the end of last season. I don't care for the manager because he is incompetent and the results and facts over three years have proven that and it won't change until he learns his lesson and gets better results over the long term. What's your true position and please, no inuendos, hedging, nor suppositions?

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23 Aug 2015 11:51:27
My true position as you put it is this. I support Liverpool not the manager or the owners. Its a new season and I'm prepared to give the management the benefit of the doubt because I do believe he has learned from last season.
The changing of the back room staff has already showed that.
I can see the influence of that already.
I like the new additions in the main and I think we will have a good season.
The whole point of my original post was about "attitude" of players in training,behind the scenes and around the club.
It was just a different perspective as to why certain players maybe picked over others. I have coached at youth level and have seen personally different attitudes in training and behind the scenes at our own club.
I have been approached by parents of kids who have told me they heard such and such about a situation which is so far removed from the truth that its laughable. That's why I don't listen to hearsay and take it as gospel.
I love the gossip and rumours like everyone else and that's why I come on here. I enjoy the interaction with fans of this and other teams pages.
I appreciate the eds contribution and don't dispute their information, but even Ed01 in particular because he has contacts within the club, can only go on what he is told by someone else. He is relying on those contacts to be 100% accurate with their information.
I base my opinions on what I see myself and my experience dealing with teams, fans, families and players and other coaches I worked with in the past.
I don't insult in a personal manner, managers or players past or present no matter how badly they performed. I don't enjoy reading it when others do.
So there you have it, no inuendos,hedging or suppositions. My own opinion based on my own experience as a coach dealing with different attitudes of players in training,and behind the scenes on a day to day basis.

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21 Aug 2015 13:07:34
Hi Eds, for what its worth I thought it was bonkers to let Suso go for free & then pay £25M for Llana. Suso is 5 years younger & better imo. Letting Lucas go is also bonkers as we need a proper DM in front of Skrtl/Lovren & much as I like Can he isn't mentally a DM. The way we've wasted millions is shocking. When BR came in I really thought there was a plan but it really feels made up day to day. Thanks.

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21 Aug 2015 14:15:41
Lol @ "Llana", he must be mates with Llori.

I agree with you though, £25m for Lallana was a complete waste. Technically decent but too slow and too powder-puff.
Suso seemed to have something about him, but again he was too lightweight.

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21 Aug 2015 15:02:15
to be fair, it's not like suso has been good for milan, and lallana is undoubtedly the better player

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21 Aug 2015 15:59:07
I do think Suso looked talented, but it's also hard to be 100% certain without seeing what the coaches saw (e.g. personality, training etc. ) - however Teixera backs up the argument so between the two of them completely agree we didn't need Llalana (doubly so since we also bought Markovic and now Firmino).

We should have definitely bought someone like Schneiderlin however, especially since BR doesn't seem to rate Lucas. I really don't subscribe to the argument you can't get someone who's a solid CDM but who can also pass the ball and dictate play from the back, it just doesn't necessarily come cheap.

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21 Aug 2015 16:19:23
Has Suso Career really took off though?

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21 Aug 2015 16:20:09
Suso is not better than lallana.

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21 Aug 2015 16:33:45
Lallana is a massive disappointment for me. He can't hide behind his age because he's not even young,, he hasn't changed league ect,, established prem player. He's massively underachieving at Liverpool and I'd like to see Firmino start ahead of him

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21 Aug 2015 18:32:55
would have been better to give teixeira a chance to play than get lallana in the past.

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21 Aug 2015 20:06:39
You always overpay for English players. The same European player with a similar skill set could have been brought in for half the price. You shouldn't hold Llana's valuation against him. It just is what it is. Rather fault him for his lack of consistent production and to me his fitness. Does not seem like he can go a full 90 minutes in any game.

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21 Aug 2015 12:39:14
Hello Eds, my first post, thanks for making this informative page.

My question is regarding Klopp/Rodgers situation. Part of me wants us to have a terrible start to pave the way for Klopp as I think having a world renowned manager is the most viable route into the top 4 for obvious reasons. Out of the world class managers in the market Klopp seems like the only character that would be attracted to a 'project' rather than walking into a ready made top team.

In your opinion though, how interested do you think he would actually be should the opportunity arise?

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{Ed001's Note - I think he has another job in mind and we missed the opportunity to persuade him to take over.}

21 Aug 2015 13:45:24
That part of you that wants us to lose. is as almost as best as a backward boy on his more lucid days
YNWA

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21 Aug 2015 14:01:53
He's off to Bayern next summer IMO

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21 Aug 2015 13:43:54
Hi Ed001, what teams would Klopp might consider?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, I know Arsenal is one was interested in.}

21 Aug 2015 15:03:24
a true fan would always want the team to win, and support the team no matter what

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21 Aug 2015 16:00:31
it's a frigging tragedy we didn't get him in (assuming we had a chance) - I really think he could have done something amazing

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21 Aug 2015 18:42:40
Thank you Ed001

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21 Aug 2015 18:39:27
Ed1 think he will be heading for Bayern Munich ??

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{Ed001's Note - I personally would be surprised, he has made numerous comments over the years about them which would make him look a major hypocrite. It does seem to be the most likely option though.}

21 Aug 2015 21:33:27
Hey ed01 is the reason why klopp is fav for the bayern job because pep guardiola job is under threat?.

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{Ed002's Note - Guardiola is in the last season of his contract - but other clubs have also enquired after Klopp.}

21 Aug 2015 12:15:27
ED001

I have noticed quite a few people who post on, not just the Liverpool page, but on other premiership team pages, have a number of symbols after there avatar, which are all basically a man on a horse, but all ever so slightly different.

I was wondering what they were?

Thanks in advance

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{Ed001's Note - they are profile badges they achieved for playing our horse racing game, Flat Out Horse Racing.}

21 Aug 2015 13:38:47
Bobatron must be good on the old gee gee's then

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21 Aug 2015 14:03:18
Thanks mate, I've often wondered the same thing

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21 Aug 2015 15:32:22
I can't remember which ed posted it.but he wanted people to test it out for bugs. Being a regular poster and wi5h a fair bit of free time at that point. I was happy to oblige. +working in the betting jn dusty I enjoy stuff like that. Although when posting the badges sometimes cover what I have type . some formatting issues. I'm guessing you also mean me when I write on other teams pages too.
Every one should check out the rest of the pages there's some interesting ones that don't get a lot of attention. I often visit the movies politics and boxing pages now. Give it a go!

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21 Aug 2015 16:53:42
Yeah I guesss it must be you bobatron I keep seeing on the other pages

I always read over the other team pages to see what else is happening in the world of football and read the banter

I must admit though.since Ed002 has kicked the mancs to the kirb, its a pretty boring place over there. not to mention the constant doom and gloom of Citeh and Chelsea nabbing there targets

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21 Aug 2015 12:01:22
I know I am late but here are my Podcast conclusion.

Ed sighs a lot
Benny "hmmms" a lot

Ed is not as scary when listening to than when reading his cutting putdowns.

"Our" Harry is reaching legendary status on this site. Whether we agree or disagree with him, this site wouldn't be as good without him!

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{Ed001's Note - is the site really that bad that Harry improves it? I think that is a sign it is time to give up on websites, it is obviously just not our area of expertise!}

21 Aug 2015 12:45:01
Get help😂😂

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21 Aug 2015 12:46:18
Well if you didn't know the site went a good few months without harry and it was just lovely. Now we get to see him giving the precise same opinion on every thread.

I would love him to be on the podcast though! I really want to see if he would reply exactly as he does to the threads.

One thing you can give harry though, is his passion. He clearly loves the game, clearly loves the reds, and has a bit too much love for Kovacic.

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21 Aug 2015 12:54:53
It does beg the question where was harry in the hiatus between home_fan and european glory. was he defecting from south to north korea?

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21 Aug 2015 13:39:44
Bob

I have moved out from Korea and off to Dubai. I need to catch Ed01.
LFcFan
You got it. Kovacic is my boy. Oh my boy. Kova kova Boy.
We will sign him after 6 years. fingers crossed.

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21 Aug 2015 14:43:22
lfc

Regardless of me, The site was always bashing BR. Majority of the posters sharts with BR.
Highlight a single post of mine, where I have started with abuse and I would give up.

Scroll up and the first post is a note to BR.

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21 Aug 2015 14:56:32
I've got a sneaking feeling that Harry is Karl Pilkington :-)

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21 Aug 2015 16:21:29
Wait. Did Harry just say "will" instead of would?

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21 Aug 2015 17:32:08
Tjre

A change in the tone. Korean effect.

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21 Aug 2015 21:15:01
Harry was last seen boarding a plane for Madrid.

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21 Aug 2015 10:01:59
So I was in Munich 2 weeks ago and went to watch 1860 V Hoffenheim at the Allianz, great experience. I went back to the Marienplatz where I spoke to a few Hoffenheim supporters, they only had great things to say about Firmino. A hard trainer, good boy off the pitch and one thing I didn’t know is he started as a defensive midfielder and is a stronger than most anticipate. They admit they got a good deal but say we got a good deal too and has their blessings to succeed at LFC.

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21 Aug 2015 11:23:29
I have seen him play twice ( not in Korea ) and he impressed me a lot. He is one player I would forgive the club in paying over the odds. He is a classy player, a real gem. There is huge expectations on his shoulder ATM.

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21 Aug 2015 12:02:24
I see that things have flared up between North and South Korea.

Are they both firing at EG by any chance?

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21 Aug 2015 12:48:08
Am I missing something? Why is Korea being mentioned?

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21 Aug 2015 13:41:09
The Main Branch of the site has been moved to North Korea. So what do you think Ed01, Update so early?

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21 Aug 2015 21:17:14
All I know is he's light years ahead of Kovacic.

When he's up to seed he will be a match winner.

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21 Aug 2015 09:26:40
Hi Eds, with all this news of Lfc offering Sakho a new contract do you think there's is a hint of turning him into a villain in the fans eyes presuming he turns it down therefore making it much more acceptable to let him go for the fans? I just think lately especially (balotelli training exploits and sterling turning down contracts and acting up) when negative internal things turn up in the press it seems to be a ploy to turn fans against certain players. I hope stories don't come out about every player due to leave in the future as our club used to stand for so much more than it does now
Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - could well be, as the contract was offered to him a while ago, so it is odd that they are just letting the story come out now.}

21 Aug 2015 11:34:24
Can I appeal for some calm, idle speculation can quickly becomes hard evidence, especially when Ed1 gives it the time of day.

Rodgers has enough evidential reason to dislike him with out conspiracy theories coming into the equation.

I'm hoping this story is true, that Sakho signs and we start phasing out Skrtel.

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21 Aug 2015 11:46:28
We had our chance to phase out skrtel/sell him and we gave him a new contract in July. Sakho now needs to start thiking about his career,which for me means he needs to leave.

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21 Aug 2015 12:11:15
Muscatred, where is the evidence as you say, to suggest we are even close to phasing Skrtel out of the team? It seems in Brendan's eyes, Skrtel is our defensive mainstay.

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21 Aug 2015 12:28:10
Anchelotti dropped him at psg France dropped him and br dropped him strange coincidences

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21 Aug 2015 12:32:17
Ed, you say the contract was offered to him a while ago, so it is odd that they are just letting the story come out now. Could this be because we are selling him and the club want to make it look like they did everything to keep him?

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{Ed001's Note - it could be or it could be that he has been persuaded to stay now and so they are releasing the info as they expect him to sign.}

21 Aug 2015 13:33:47
Brisbane, absolutely no evidence. Just what I would like to see.

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21 Aug 2015 15:35:43
As I said on another thread ancelotti or whoever is in charge of the team the went and spent 50 million on his replacement. The great David Luiz.when I say spent.I mean spunked.

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21 Aug 2015 09:11:09
With Chelsea quite overstocked with wingers, maybe Willian will be available? He did say in June (regarding Firmino), and I quote, "As far as I'm concerned and other players like Philippe Coutinho, who will also play with him, we will try to help him with his transition to Liverpool."

What better way, than to come and join him at Liverpool!

Red Rum

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21 Aug 2015 11:27:53
He is a real talented player victimized by Jose boring defensive tactics. Jose ll not sell him as he works hard ( especially defend ).
We missed the trick in not going for Kono. Genuine left winger and would have made it to the team easily.

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21 Aug 2015 11:45:25
I think willian has no end product and I'm glad we didn't sign him, I think pedro will come straight in for him and if pogba comes he will replace Oscar. Then I'll cry

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21 Aug 2015 13:21:10
Willian is a great player, doesn't get any headlines and may not get goals/assists but brings the ball out from the back running up the pitch then the other players do the damage! Great player and one that would improve our team!

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21 Aug 2015 08:11:20
What do u guys think of Rory Deila as manager ? Rogers is well set for the season but may be the club can consider him in future ? Would like to know how he is considered among football fraternity

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{Ed001's Note - do you mean the Celtic manager?}

21 Aug 2015 10:42:51
Most of my mates are Celtic fans and rave about him. Apparently he give the young lad Martin odegaard his first team debut at the age of 13.

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{Ed001's Note - from what I saw of Celtic against Malmo I was not impressed. He didn't give Odegaard his debut then as Norwegian rules forbade it. Celtic looked thoroughly disorganised defensively.}

21 Aug 2015 10:54:06
yes, Celtic manager. seems to have good record in Norway and now with Celtic though less competitive league

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21 Aug 2015 11:49:13
Celtic have gone backwards since he's been in charge

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21 Aug 2015 14:05:54
I thought his name was Ronnie.

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21 Aug 2015 14:58:47
We don't need some dude that specialists in long throw ins:)

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21 Aug 2015 21:18:41
We don't want the Norwich chairwoman either!

Letsbe avin you!!!

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21 Aug 2015 03:02:58
Ed 002 - seriously you are over dramatizing! LFC have 27 senior players of whom 4 are expected to leave (loan or sale) plus 2 more loans. They will not have too many players. Plus Flanagan won't be registered till Jan.

FFP issues. The top writers on FFP don't know what the rules are right now. How can you predict imminent problems?

Ed 001 - You said it would take a podcast to explain - I can arrange that. You have an email for me.

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{Ed002's Note - There are no specific questions but words like "top writers". What are you asking?}

21 Aug 2015 08:40:09
The OP wants you to discuss with him the issue regarding the transfers, I think. On a podcast.

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{Ed001's Note - well that's not going to happen, that is not what I meant by it would take a podcast to explain.}

21 Aug 2015 10:19:19
theres really more to it than just number of players on a piece of paper.

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21 Aug 2015 15:58:25
It wasn't long ago you were losing $/£€(?)1million a week. While you've got rid of some high earners you haven't slashed that much off the books, and seeing as though FFP allows club owners to invest up to £45m over three years, to cover loses, in order to comply, I'd say you're still in a whole lot of trouble.

The fact you've spent before selling, again, and been left with your pants around your ankles when it comes to selling the players that won't get games, shows the club is struggling to learn from their mistakes.

I would like to know who these 'top writers' are, who haven't a clue about how FFP works, as from around 1-2 years before it was implemented, Ed002 has given us explainations as to how it works, and the likely punishments. Something tells me that you're reading the wrong sites.

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21 Aug 2015 06:00:14
Is Liverpool playing in Europa cup this year?
Thanks
Kit

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21 Aug 2015 06:52:24
If only there was a way of searching for this information.

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21 Aug 2015 11:07:26
I'm not sure but certainly last nights star alignment and the current air pressure implies that we are.

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21 Aug 2015 11:16:53
Ha ha ha. Great post Ron.

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21 Aug 2015 11:55:32
Could Kit possibly be a United fan?

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21 Aug 2015 14:06:53
He fits the profile of a united fan with his display of football knowledge.

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21 Aug 2015 05:22:49
Ok does firmino worry anyone else? just 2 games no big deal eh? i think probably everyone has observed this
he is not starting for some reason. i am pretty confident he won't be starting against arsenal either. he looked half the pace against bournemouth. and i am pretty sure he isn't a hardworking player ( well for now because probably bundesliga doesn't require one to be), he is your typical new gen Brazil player with flair in abundance. But i fail to understand we paid almost the same for him as we did for benteke and yet he is not making the playing 11? the way he played against bournemouth if he repeats that against arsenal at emirates we will have a tough time. could it be that BR is not playing him because he is still not suited to press the opposition and is awful without the ball at his feet. elsewise i don't see a point in lallana out there when it is clear that he isn't well suited on the wings and that's not lallana's best position.
yea i know new league, conditions etc etc but still if we pay that money for someone i'd expect them settle right in because they are brilliant players. may be its just to early to be even posting this. but i just want us to continue and pull a win against arsenal too because i feel this is the right time to play them. they are under pressure and whoever wins the game gets massive boost in confidence. if We win it gets our season started and we can play with much less pressure against United. we would be calm. however if we loose i think that would just burst our bubble and we will be under pressure against united. TBH both Arsenal and united are there to be taken and we have to get the best of our 30 millions signings to beat them. And that is why i am worried About Firmino , Arsenal is just not the right game for him to get his first start because we know what we will get at emirates, players will have to work very hard off the ball against them and if firmino just keeps standing around the game will go by him pretty quick , on the flipside he could score a magical solo goal. Typical Brazillian stuff here. What are others views on this? it is the best time to be playing arsenal isn't it ? and a win would just get our season on its way

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{Ed001's Note - Firmino is well known for working hard and the Bundesliga is a league that does require a player to graft. Not sure why you think it doesn't.}

21 Aug 2015 05:38:07
so we're judging new players on 20 mins game time now? should we have started every new arrival just to give you a bit more time to judge them?

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21 Aug 2015 05:45:06
Firmino is top class and a hard working team player, he will get used to the prem, and akshit will change his name to askshit.

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21 Aug 2015 07:03:20
Give me a break, The lad is top class and it's just a matter of time. I can't believe it how did he managed such long post.

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21 Aug 2015 07:03:26
Firmino has moved leagues and only been training for a few weeks with the squad.

It's easier to put benteke in as he's been playing in the prem already.

Stop trying to find things that don't exist and give him time to settle in.

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21 Aug 2015 07:29:35
the game against bournemouth went past him didn't it then? yea just 10 minutes? but he didn't do himself much good. just asking , i know it would be answered against arsenal in three days. guess shouldn't just post here at all. not every arrival but players worth 30 million should be starters and arsenal isn't the ideal game for firmino to have his first start against. have nothing against the player . obviously want him to do well. and btw i dunno depay has had his start , sterling is starting for city , benteke is starting for us. what's wrong in wanting firmino to start ??
As for hardworking if Ed001 say he is i will believe that and its a relief.

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{Ed001's Note - he is mate, though I do agree, he didn't show himself well against Bournemouth. He just needs a bit of time to settle in and get used to the game here.}

21 Aug 2015 07:47:03
You don't know your football mate and are judging the lad on 2 cameo appearances. He chases down and tackles from the front extremely well. Let's give him a chance

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21 Aug 2015 08:31:16
I've heard that they haven't been overly impressed with him in training, the words I were told were " they were a bit shocked and expected a lot more than they've seen ", that was a few weeks back! But as soon as I saw his first few touches versus stoke I thought he looked the real deal and going out on a limb here and I don't normally judge players either way after a couple of cameo appearances but I think he will eventually turn out to be a superstar, I'm really excited about him when he gets a decent run of 15 to 20 games under his belt.

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21 Aug 2015 08:57:06
i really don't understand it guys . either you lot don't read posts at all or i probably don't write them well. i have said yes two games are a bit early to judge him. and yes i called him not hardworking because in those 20 minutes i didnot see anything to be very excited about if i go by two games for us
Then i ask that whether arsenal/united would be the right game to start him. if it goes well then great but if it doesn't and we loose both he will have unneccesary pressure on himself . i believe Arsenal and united are both winnable games but starting firmino is a conundrum. he needs time to settle ofcourse but its not like stoke and bournemouth were the biggest games we could have started him. and probably by now two weeks in he would have been ready for the two big games up next. and that is why i am worried about firmino in next two games. Not that i doubt his ability or don't rate him its just whether the time is right.
ed001 rates him i obviously go by the mans word as most on this site.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a good question, I just think the sooner he gets in the better.}

21 Aug 2015 09:43:54
I just think Firmino will take a little time to adapt. He was the main man at Hoffenheim and as such he has to get used to playing as part of a team, where everything doesn't go through him. Didn't watch much of Hoffenheim though, so I'm only assuming that's what it is.

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21 Aug 2015 10:15:56
It would depend how he's been training. Ibe didn't have a great game last time out either. So the timing could be right.

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21 Aug 2015 10:17:17
i liked what i see against Stoke in firmino. whenever he got the ball it seems he wants to get forward immediately, whether it be a pass or beating a man.

i just wish at times, ibe would do this more as well, as with his skill and pace, he can definitely bring the ball forward, he has created chances, but just plays safe abit at times.

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21 Aug 2015 10:41:41
The minute I saw firmino I could see that he is going to be exactly the same as suarez for us

Now listen before you start commenting

In the way he will make his contribution by making good runs and stretches defense and his desire to attack a lot quicker than tiki taka.

We will think we won't need him once he is up and running because wr won't realise how much he actually does for us.

I am not worried about his attitude or work rate, I think he is just well well off the pace of the league, he us taking to long on the ball to move ut on etx really misjudging the intensity of the league. Once that comes and he uses the space left behind by benteke stretching the defense wr are going ti be so dangerous.

My only problem is that I think if this works like wr all and the management want then I think it's by to DS (city)

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21 Aug 2015 12:05:33
He is class but so is sakho, lucas, even lallana on hismday when not played on the bloody wing. But then again if pigs could fly.

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21 Aug 2015 16:41:48
The only way to know anything for sure is to throw him into a game, for at least one half, initially. I hope he starts against Arsenal. Brazilians are notorious for being "lazy" in training, but show their true face in matches. But in any case, it is way too soon to start any speculative analysis.

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21 Aug 2015 18:27:27
Akshit did you really see anything exciting about the way Liverpool has played over the first few games?

Give the lad sometime to settle in, he couldn't play in most of the preseason games. If you are patient I think the player will become a staple in the squad like Coutinho. He needs to get a feel of how things are. If you moved to a new country, you would't know everything about the new culture you are living in.

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21 Aug 2015 05:01:22
Hi Eds
Want to highlight in terms of treating players how different is Brendan Rodger compared to LVG? We all have been hearing that players who don't perform are treated badly by LVG but atleast that Man is frank enough to say it out. Whereas in terms of Rodgers he acts like a Women who likes to give cold shoulder, the treatment of Sakho and last season the treatment of Balotelli, Marko all show he no best than LVG when comes to player handling.
The backing from Owners in transfer market has made BR even more stubborn. The formation he uses for first 45 mins really get onto my nerves. It doesn't look like BR wants to learn lessons from his mistakes in previous games, seasons.

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{Ed001's Note - acts like a woman? Bit sexist isn't it? You have clearly never worked for my mam if you think women all give the cold shoulder. By the way, LVG is quite clearly giving 3 goalkeepers the cold shoulder there, so not sure it is all that different.}

21 Aug 2015 08:59:06
You say that he is giving Sakho the cold shoulder,but according to the Guardian this morning Sakho has been offered a new 5year contract. That doesn't sound like giving him the cold shoulder to me. Any truth in what the Guardian is reporting Ed

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{Ed001's Note - the contract was offered to him a while ago, I already discussed it back then.}

21 Aug 2015 11:49:51
mam? Ed you woolyback, tongue in cheek. From your podcast you sound like you're from ellesmere port and for the record its me maaaa

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{Ed001's Note - you tell her that then, because then it wouldn't be me getting a clip round the ear for cheek!}

21 Aug 2015 18:30:15
ED001 Why do you think keepers continue to sign for them if the trend of cold shoulders to every keeper that has recently come in. I dislike manu, but just trying to find some logic in that.

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{Ed001's Note - why wouldn't they? Good money, chance of playing in the Champions League, what more do you want?}

21 Aug 2015 01:49:15
Lack of experience and big picture view is the concern of rodgers, he bought in so many second quality players and did not play them at all. every one in this site could tell that they are not good enough, but he understand it only after buying / playing them. even if some players are good, they does not fit the system he want to play, which everybody knows except rodgers. worse part is that we do pay ridiculous amount and does not get anything in return.he is trying to be a harsh coach, but he does not seem to be a good manager. i can't pick a single player for whom we received good return on sale , bought by rodgers. however this season, although we spent money the players we bought in all look 1st team players which is the ony positive factor.

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21 Aug 2015 04:34:08
Unless you are a stand out player in a team not winning trophies or a squad player in a team that does, the chances of recouping money let alone making money, are slim. Look at di Maria when at manc land

The problem we have is the never ending revolving door tactics to try to achieve BR s vision! We're not winning trophies and we're not producing stand out players ( suarez and sterling are obvious exemptions) so they all go for minimal fees. Indeed, when we get to a good place in suarez a case, he wants to leave ( can't blame him though, all teams are feeders for Real Madrid and barca)

Give players a chance to bed in for more than a year. We might see a return on the investment then rather than this scattergun approach under the premise of searching for more quality. If you buy for quantity it's a false economy as you throw good money after bad.

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21 Aug 2015 11:17:53
Maybe when he saw how little we were being offered he had a change of heart 7m lol

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21 Aug 2015 00:56:14
Ed2, can you clear something up for me. You keep saying Liverpool have too many players to register and therefore need to sell but looking at our squad and looking at the rules that doesn't seem to the case.

We have less than 25 over 21s and less than 17 of them are non-homegrown players. As far as I can see we could register everyone (including our three exiles). Have I misunderstood it or are we fine?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes you are probably correct now as three of the 40 first team players Liverpool has listed with UEFA are now confirmed as on loan.}

20 Aug 2015 23:40:11
What's the truth behind the Sakho new deal headlines?

If it is true (hopefully) could you see him agreeing? Has all this talk around the place about him not happy, Rodgers not rating him etc true or was the first two games without him more likely just fitness, new child etc?

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{Ed002's Note - There were issues throught last season and the offer from Roma was rejected because it was for a loan and not a sale. TRy the search engine for detail.}

 
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