Liverpool Banter Archive August 21 2016

 

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21 Aug 2016 22:08:58
Personally, I may be disappointed but I still have high hopes. But not being a football tactics expert, I will still say we need a DM, a dedicated LB and a strike partner for sturridge if u insist on playing him. He is a goal poacher, his best season was working with a hustler like Suarez.

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21 Aug 2016 23:13:26
Mane.


21 Aug 2016 23:19:05
Not sure if Sturridge will ever get back that half a yard he has lost, he seems to be minding himself .


22 Aug 2016 00:02:31
Sorry, but for me, Sturridge would be sold, He was awful for England, and even worse on Sat, did you know that your only as good as your last game, well here are some stats for the Burnley game for Sturridge, 0 shots on target, 0 chances created, 0 ariel duals won, 0 take on s, 0 crosses, and this, and no diss respect to Burnley, are a team who will finish close to the bottom of the league, if we want top four, do we want our main striker to finish the game with those stats, and just to mention, that we had about 80 per cent possession, another record stat, not good .


22 Aug 2016 01:00:49
He's our best striker mate. Have you not been following our club the past few years?


22 Aug 2016 03:00:54
Statistics for a single game are meaningless as a guide to form over a season, redforever. A knee-jerk reaction like many on here, though it is concerning that we looked toothless with so much possession. Time will tell whether this is a blip or part of a trend this season, because more teams than Burnley will try and park the bus.


22 Aug 2016 04:30:51
on paper yes he is the best striker we have. But not the most suited for our game. He come way to deep to pick the ball and takes his sweet time to get in the box. I saw wini more in the box than sturridge. He will rarely pass or create always want to score a screamer and looses the ball. A team like west ham who is looking for a high profile striker should get him. He is fit for 10 games a year, you don't want a striker for 10 games.


{Ed001's Note - if you are referring to the weekend, then that was the result of the position he was being asked to play out on the right. There was no need to get in the box as no crosses of quality were coming in and there was no space there to receive a pass.}

22 Aug 2016 13:49:42
Sturridge needs to be in and around the box, not floating on the right wing having x of amount of time. He's better when he's instinctive, not trying to be a playmaker.

Keep him in the box, and he will score as proven time and time again. Play him too deep or too wide and he'll waste possession as we've seen, time and time again.


21 Aug 2016 21:48:28
Am I the only one that thinks our midfield should have can and grujic behind hendo. Henderson would be so much better covering the midfield 2 than having to cover the back 4.

Would also like to see coutinho wijnaldum and mane behind Firmino.

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21 Aug 2016 23:20:29
think Can is carrying a back injury, yes another injury, something wrong with the training methods maybe .


22 Aug 2016 00:11:45
So 6 central midfielders then? Interesting tactic.


22 Aug 2016 01:32:49
6 central midfielders? I see 3 on there. Wijnaldum is an attacking player. He's wasted in central midfield. Firmino is a striker. And coutinho an attacking midfielder. There's a big difference between central midfielder and attacking midfielder.


22 Aug 2016 03:29:28
TJRed I think Annie Fields was referring to 6 mids behind a striker, meaning that leaves 3 defenders. Also, Firmino can play as a striker, but is that really his best position? Surely he's an attacking mid first and foremost?


22 Aug 2016 04:33:04
May be not 6 but hendo and wini is a horrible cm team. Hendo has the energy and drive to come into the box make late runs but he needs to be relieved of his defencive duty a bit.


22 Aug 2016 05:33:43
Sorry Tjred i didn't read your post properly but i guess my point was meant to be that they are all midfielders, no true strikers and no true wingers (except Mane) . i'm not saying it couldn't work but, for me, at least 6 of the 7 players you mention are at their best in the middle of the park and behind Sturridge/ Origi/ Ings.


22 Aug 2016 07:30:37
So hendo in front of back four and two DMs with three behind firmihno . that would be a 4-2-1-3-1 formation? . guess that gets rid of the need to worry about what keeper we need because there's no room for him!


21 Aug 2016 21:42:07
Okay, I have to admit that the loss yesterday was all my fault. I didn't wear my lucky shirt and I was not drinking scotch during the match. If I had done just one, we would have at least earned a draw. I will do my best not to let any of you down in the future. I apologize to one and all.

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21 Aug 2016 21:53:15
Have we found the next "lucky pants"?


22 Aug 2016 00:14:24
I miss ken aguero. Where's that dude been!?


21 Aug 2016 21:39:07
Reds.

The worst thing about Saturday is that it seems to have dented, for a short period, Ron's optimism.

I still can't believe that we got Klopp. At that point in time, his place and our place in European football weren't a match. If he was still on sabbatical Arsenal fans would be begging for him and he might have been in the running for other major clubs. He chose us knowing that other jobs might come up.

He's not perfect and never said he was. Ed02 said it would be a rollercoaster.

I don't want the league at all costs. I don't want us to play like Mourinho's Chelsea did and his Utd and Conte's Chelsea might.

Klopp wants to win too though and knows he needs to find a balance. Let's watch him find it, taking the Burnley results with the Arsenal results along the way.

Let's believe.

Cheers.

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21 Aug 2016 21:54:23
I have no problems with us winning the league an which way to be honest.


21 Aug 2016 22:34:18
I want the league in all costs. Its about time.


21 Aug 2016 23:43:33
Nothing will dent my optimism for the team 😎.


22 Aug 2016 00:15:26
I don't care if we put 10 behind the ball if it wins the league. I'll watch every minute of 10 percent possession. Just give me the league lol.


21 Aug 2016 21:18:28
Watching LFCtv the 86 double year😎😎👌 ( bringing back some memories, like it was yesterday) The way you lot going on over burnley suggest you all take a look. Remind yourselves what supporting all about? (Remember the night Everton blew it ( league) that team struggled to find its feet all season look where it ended up? Bit of belief an support needed. YNWA.

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21 Aug 2016 21:39:32
You know when people say we are living in the past john, its because of people like you. We haven't won a league in 26 years and its the same stuff every season, can't win a game against the little teams, why he is leaving emre on the bench and playing hendo is anyones guess and why wijnaldum is playing in the centre when he is an attacking mid is beyond belief, the fact that milner has to play left back shows he never addressed the issue and has no faith in moreno, the fact is new managers different players same result.


21 Aug 2016 21:42:10
Spot on John spot on! 👍👍.


21 Aug 2016 21:48:30
You are easily pleased if your happy with a two nil defeat to a team that is relegation fodder.


21 Aug 2016 21:54:26
DevC90, Spot on DevC90 spot on.


21 Aug 2016 22:00:15
Waro, Spot on WHAT. Are you happy with Mediocrity also.


21 Aug 2016 22:04:03
Wow just Wow Dev.


21 Aug 2016 22:28:02
Let me get this right. We won the league in the 80's and that should stop us from wanting to beat Burnley? Or address our blatant problems. The fact that we are repeating the same CAM buying mistakes year in year out no matter who is at the helm.

We haven't signed a lb or a mid to complement any of what we have just another player we didn't need in gw!

The fact that during the united missing years we have had over 200 mil to spend and now find ourselves chasing them again, granted they had the same if not more but whilst everyone took some time out, city, Chelsea and united. We couldn't capitalise and now we have to try and break the monopoly again, and looked like we might give it a hell of a shot until mane gets injured and we fall to bits.

But hey ho we won the league 20++++++ years ago so sall good.

By that logic you shouldn't never have anything bought for you for your birthday and definatly shouldn't moan about it because when you were 2 your mum got you that hot wheels set. You ungratefull b**tard.


21 Aug 2016 23:57:03
Dev it's not living in the past its pointing you lot to the past for experience! I've never seen the league trophy handed out in August! I've also never seen anyone relegated after 2 games. Bit of patience. You sound like a chelski supporter.


22 Aug 2016 01:01:28
Super if you took the time to watch the 86 team you will see it's very similar kenny newish at manager trying to get his ideas across. Getting beat by unfancied teams. Utd starting season off with 10 wins etc. The whole point of my original post was to point out the similarities. But you proved with your reply your not prepared to give this team a chance? If you know better let's hear it! An I'm not sitting here in a shell suit an yellow crown paints top living in the past! Don't know where your living but it sounds like cloud cuckoo land lad! Would you give your dad loads if your mam burnt ya tea? You know it's his fault he's had years to sort that sh*t out!


22 Aug 2016 11:09:53
Wow for starters terrible anology there chief.

Im just sick and tired of being unable to talk about the current team without someone going on about qhat happened 30 years ago. its got zero relevance.

Klopp can't get away with keepin moreno around, signing migs to have a 5 yesr deal and repeating the same mistakes as the man he succeeded with the hope of ending those problems.


22 Aug 2016 13:28:02
Mane it was a ref to calm down. From what we have read he tried to sign a lb. as for tieing migs down probably more to do with resale because he has brought in a keeper too. Who knows what's ahead but there has to be setbacks along the way you just have to support an hope it gets sorted soon.


21 Aug 2016 20:24:37
Eds - I personally don't believe Henderson is up to the task - I think we need a world class defence midfielder and obviously a left back - given the result at the weekend and performances is this the case are we looking at this?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will probably not shift their approach to transfers on a week-by-week basis. Klipperty says this is his team, and whilst he may fine tune over the next 10 days he will not be reshuffling this weekend nor next. Liverpool are a decent side who need to be given a break by the fans. Take a tad of pressure off and they will feel a little better about performing for the fans. Pushed in to a corner it can only get worse. Klipperty has shortcomings but he is a decent manager who is not being given a break. He has not been great so far but has a bunch of folk on his back.}

21 Aug 2016 20:42:10
Ed2, to steal a phrase of yours "comment of the day". If most of our fans approached our team as you have above things would be much more positive.


{Ed002's Note - It is a weird endictment Nick that I am the second best Liverpool supporter on this site after my love child Waro. Liverpool used to have great support and it is so different nowadays - not just Liverpool but many other sides have the same issue. Waro is a great example for Liverpool fans in that he is fighting for the club and what is right - he doesn't bleat when it goes wrong. And he get my support for that. As I said before, he is a knuckle-dragging moron but he is my knuckle-dragging moron - it demands respect.}

21 Aug 2016 21:05:25
Ed, thank you for (1) Helping give some perspective (2) Making me laugh for the first time since yesterday at about 4:50 pm!


{Ed002's Note - You are welcome - it is very important to roll with results otherwise (as a Livepool fan) it is a kick in the gonads two weeks out of three.}

21 Aug 2016 21:13:41
I have to say that i don't totally agree with Ed002's opinion. I would agree that after a string of bad results if the fans at the ground on match days were to get agitated and get on the players backs, then i could see how it might affect the team but i have never, even in our dark barren years heard the fans booing players or getting really frustrated at what is going on the pitch. I also don't believe forums such as this have a massive impact on team morale. I think its easy to lay the majority of the blame on the fans, its a easy excuse if you will. I think players and staff at Liverpool need to step up and give the fans something to believe in and not a run of false dawns. Was it the fans fault that Liverpool got beat yesterday or that they haven't seen a left back arrive when one is so obviously needed? i'm not one for abusing players, its not necessary but i have to say i have been watching Liverpool for 40 years, thru the great times and now thru our walk in the wilderness and i think the fans especially the fans at the matches have been very respectful and patient in the main and have had very little impact on Liverpool results over the years.


21 Aug 2016 21:15:42
How many world class players are out there in any one position?
I would say 1 possibly 2.
So who is it you want us to buy and how much should we spend?


21 Aug 2016 21:42:39
When did he mention world class? I would just take a left black who is capable of defending.


21 Aug 2016 22:00:23
I agree with Irish Rover; it has to be a symbiotic relationship between the team and the fans. The team has to give the belief to the fans (Klopp wants us to be believers) and I think since Klopp has come in, the majority of the fans have been very supportive of the team (though individual players will get the cold shoulder from some fans as it is very difficult to change mindsets) .

Me included, there is no doubt IMO that the overwhelming majority of fans across the globe supporting LFC are behind Klopp.


22 Aug 2016 00:09:26
I hope that your right AG, because the fans overwhelming support will be put to the test very soon, if we don't get some points on the board in the next three very tough games, we will be under a lot of pressure, I really hope that we can get a couple of good results, and Liverpool fans will be smiling .


22 Aug 2016 00:59:45
'Supporting Klopp', but for how long AG. Familiarity breeds contempt and inconsistency/ mediocrity have become all to familiar!


22 Aug 2016 03:58:23
I think sometimes the fans forget that most of the team are made up of young men, most still in their early 20's. Mistakes will be made and constantly hounding them after every bad result cannot help confidence.


21 Aug 2016 21:46:16
Cheers ed002, I think, hahaha 😂😂.


21 Aug 2016 21:46:17
Think you're disregarding sir Ronald keague there ed002.


21 Aug 2016 22:09:18
Who is it that Klopp has on his back? Is it the fans of someone within the club? Apologies if i'm reading too far into this.


{Ed002's Note - The fans.}

21 Aug 2016 22:39:07
Ed its as simple as this

Liverpool like every other club on the planet had great support when they were winning. And now don't when were losing.

There isn't a human being on the planet trying to look better than the rest that can sit there and watch the obvious go wrong, give up there weekends (or plan there entire week on what day the games on), save up to get the game, or bladder there bank account to go, or travel numerous amount of miles to follow a team of millionaires that out of all there given only have to deliver 3 points and they will be worshipped.

They fight for us, the badge, the shirt, the city. You go on like were all having the greatest life, like its all as good as it gets.

There's people living on the street asking passers by how the reds got on, fans who were seasons tickers all there lives unable to make the game, people living in debt, losing their jobs, illness everything you can imagine, and for that 90 minutes were free from it all, and its not always the losing that bothers you but the fact that it highlights everything you forgot for that short amount of time.

Thier my words above but klipp didn't day much different when he took over hense why I love him. He knows the score, he knows the power the players have and who thier fighting for.

Sometimes toy need to stop trying to make people feel bad just to project your own voice. Waro mgiht be uber positive but sometimes or a lot of the time again its just to seem better than the rest of us.

Granted their are tossers who still moan when we lose and then ask me how Torres played or why didn't he score, but thier just trying to fit in.

Liverpool is and always be in my heart. Inly love can make you hate them as much as I do right now.

Onto burton! Onto the next game, as it always is. 90mins Ti reright a wring, get back on the horse and get ready for the spuds.


22 Aug 2016 09:44:22
So no shout out to ron keague ed002, he has been consistently positive for years.


21 Aug 2016 19:28:36
I understand people saying that we need to support players so early into the season but let's face it. Most of these players are the same who have been in the PL for more than a season now. I somehow feel that players who were pivotal for their previous clubs scoring goals providing assists and contributing to the team came to our club and do the opposite.

Higher wages, big transfer fee pressure, bad transfer decisions or its just a jinx may be the possible reasons.

Very confused what to make of the team right now.

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21 Aug 2016 20:07:14
Wrong style. We don't have the players to play a possetion small passes through the centre game. Also, not sure which players you are referring to who were amazing in their previous teams. Ings, who many here see as our next messiah scored 8 goals for his previous team. Benteke is the exception but this brings me back to wrong style.


21 Aug 2016 22:01:49
I don't think anybody here views Danny Ings as a messiah; most here thinks he is a good squad player who gives it his all but right now, he is the 4th choice forward.


21 Aug 2016 19:21:59
Very disappointing performance yesterday we are way too light in midfield, Henderson looked bad but he was trying to cover for the other two with him I still think Can and Grudic need to play some part in there to at least make us more defensively sound we are still clueless when it comes to breaking down teams who set up with 2 banks of 4 we move the ball too slow and allow them to get their defence set and I can't see this changing anytime soon if we don't change our personnel currently operating in midfield.

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21 Aug 2016 22:03:16
The midweek Cup game is a good chance to bring in Matip and Grujic into the side and give them a go.


21 Aug 2016 23:32:18
We need to spend the Benteke money on a left back, and all those players out injured, think Can has a back injury, Ojo too, get them back playing, and a couple of wins will hae us all smiling again .


21 Aug 2016 19:19:45
Breaking transfer news we have just bought a South Korean left back named WHY MEE?

BUM BUM the old ones are still the best!

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21 Aug 2016 17:43:29
Think yesterday's result has certainly given me a more realistic outlook for the season ahead. Was full of optimism that we could mount a title bid, especially after games against Barcelona and Arsenal. Rome wasn't built in a day, and it will take time and patience from us fans to get to the level we all want to reach. But think we need to support all the players who make up the squad for the full season, maybe some of them won't be around when we do reach the pinnacle of English football again, but they will be involved in the process. I believe Karius, Matip, Mane were signed to improve the XI and there skill sets improve and give us things we didn't have last season. Karius is a confident, fast modern keeper tuned into Klopp's tactical approach. Same with Matip, who brings pace and composure to the heart of defence. Mane brings undoubtedly a key element in the modern game lots of pace, dribbling ability and directness not to mention a goals return with that. We missed that yesterday. All three weren't ready to play yesterday. Wijnaldum needs time to settle in with our style, and the team needs to find how to use his strengths best, mainly I would say it is making well timed runs into the box from deep positions, something else we didn't have before ala Lampard type player. We needed the Klaven signing, because we were incredibly short in the centre back position after releasing Toure, first you lose Sakho to injury then Gomez suffers a set back on his comeback trail ok no problem we have Lucas, but he then gets injured, Matip has a recurrence of a previous injury leaving just Lovern, Wisdom and a pretty obvious player in Srktel who was highly paid and not good enough. Grujic, could be massive for us, but don't want to put to much pressure on him and let him develop a little under the radar. We've got good young players coming through the system, not all will make it here but maybe two or three just might. So after being overly optimistic before season kicks off (who isn't though) . Think real progress for us would more realistically be challenging for top 4 and some good cup runs again, and signs for the future to look for would be the ability of the players to change/ react in a game like yesterday's, so better collective game intelligence and the ability to find a way trough a team who are happy for us to have the ball in front of them.

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21 Aug 2016 17:49:41
Can't see us competing for top four as we can't manage out a game and have a weak midfield. Mid table is best we can hope for as it stands because our failings are so easily exploited and we have no answer.


21 Aug 2016 18:11:24
the trouble is reading that post is deja vu read the same post from other posters 5 years ago. we simply hav'ent improved we've gone up and down and sideways we can't seem to find any stability through the whole team.


21 Aug 2016 18:11:24
Why do people think 5th and 6th are mid table . There's 36 games to go and people are crying over 1 game really.


21 Aug 2016 18:28:56
We finished 8th. That's mid table. We'll be lucky to get that high if we don't improve.


21 Aug 2016 18:50:20
When he starts getting his teeth whitened that will be the end of him.

Is TEN his favourite number.


21 Aug 2016 18:54:36
I agree Rome wasn't built in a day, but when they were building Rome, they didn't just try and build some ornate roofs on top of roofs on top of roofs. They built the infrastructure and the foundations, there was a plan, there was structure and they didn't deviate from basic building principles. They learned from mistakes and didn't just keep repeating the same mistakes otherwise Rome would never be built.


21 Aug 2016 19:23:09
The Eds warned us there would be ups and downs, let's bite the bullet and get behind the players, manager and club.


21 Aug 2016 19:38:35
Hang on ron, you said non of this before yesterday! In fact you have been saying we're going to win the league this season and you've done a 360 after one bad defeat? Wow just wow😒😒.


21 Aug 2016 19:48:12
Someone has definitely hacked Ron's account 😂.


21 Aug 2016 19:54:08
I've not done a 360 Waro and I still believe we're going to win every game, I always will, even if we had no defenders at all 😄

However, I've never praised our recruitment or coaching, I've praised Klopp because he's made improvements in some aspects of coaching but I've never praised our recruitment, you can search on that mate.


21 Aug 2016 19:55:28
Just to add, on my reply to Waro, we've had people saying it's the best transfer window in memory and Klavan is Hyypia v2.0.
I know I've made some ridiculous predictions but I've never said anything like the above.


21 Aug 2016 21:46:51
Ok but you can't tell that he won't be after 2 games.


21 Aug 2016 21:52:03
I'm not saying you have Ron but you've made some pretty bold statements and I think you should stick with them and not get swept up in the hysteria mate.


21 Aug 2016 23:48:23
Not swept up in hysteria, just angry at the moment. There is/ was no need for performances like yesterday. We're not Brazil 70 or 82, we're not Barcelona. Why do we think we are good enough to play it out from the back? A blind man and his dog can see we aren't. I don't know why our managers can't see it.


21 Aug 2016 17:08:21
had a bit of time to digest yesterday's result. I was as dissapointed as anybody yesterday and to be honest I don't like to visit the site after a defeat or disappointing performance. some of the comments are so over the top but raw emotions play a part so I tend to give it a day or so to comment as i know if I posted yesterday then my comments would have been so disrespectful.
anyway back onto the actual point of my post. this league is a marathon not a sprint so let's hope we learn from this performance and get two good results through the week. YNWA.

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21 Aug 2016 18:00:27
Our next three games are Spurs, Leicester and Chelsea, if we don't address the massive problems we have then it's entirely possible that we'll end up with no points from those games. If we go in to those games with Wijnaldum and Lallana as part of our centre midfield, then we are going to be slaughtered. Spurs and Chelsea's midfield's are both far better than ours and they have the attackers who can exploit the acres of space that we leave and really embarrass us more than the defeat against Burnley (if Saturday wasn't bad enough) . I am seriously concerned that we have under prepared and not bought with any idea of how we can defend properly. You can't win the premier league without a strong centre midfield, that's a fact. Saturday we probably lined up with the worst centre midfield of any team in the premier league that weekend and there was so much space to run into that we made them look world class.


21 Aug 2016 19:41:29
We are so lightweight in midfield, and still weak in the back four, and any decent shot goes in, what do we do? that's what the manager is for, okay, our new signings will take take to bed in, meanwhile, we are in trouble, our next few games are tough ones, after the Burnley disaster, can't see us getting too many points on the board, then its playing catch up once again, really thought we would have improved, think we have stood still, while lots of teams have improved their team and tacticts . top four, not this season .


21 Aug 2016 21:51:58
So if we win the next 3 will you stop whinging? Support or spew it.


21 Aug 2016 16:56:10
Many of us complain about our full back situation but can we really think of many top class full backs in world football?
The only left back in England i think warrants being close to being really excellent is shaw.
On right backs, I think seamous coleman is one of the best in the league and around . He has his moments but I can't think of anyone better.

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21 Aug 2016 17:33:49
That doesn't mean we don't bother getting one.


21 Aug 2016 17:38:09
Who is the left back who playef for Germany yestetday in the Olympic final?


21 Aug 2016 17:44:56
Natural ofcourse
But it doesn't mean we should go out and buy another konchesky.
Fano, I haven't a clue, I haven't been watching the Olympics never mind the football. Hector?


21 Aug 2016 17:58:52
Klostermann.


21 Aug 2016 18:01:24
Toljan sorry, my mistake.


21 Aug 2016 18:01:43
Lukas Klostermann was the lb yesterday but to me the rb Jeremy Toljan really stood out, solid defensively against Neymar, good control and passing and a perfect cross for the goal. Klostermann is 2 years younger though and played well too.


21 Aug 2016 18:18:57
Seamus Coleman, I've heard it all now, I've never laughed so much.


21 Aug 2016 18:28:29
Sid
I'm glad it amuses you. I do strive to amuse.
Seamous (however you spell his name) is an excellent fullback. Maybe you should watch him play for further amusement if you're not busy still laughing at this comment.
Id also suggest noones in the room or around your space whilst you're laughing to yourself. They might think you're abit of season.


21 Aug 2016 18:33:38
Two random names but the two Napoli full backs Hysaj and Ghoulam are excellent defensively and good going forward. As a team they have as good a pair of fullbacks as it gets in Europe IMO.


21 Aug 2016 18:40:49
Coleman is a terrible player, Al.

Im sorry but he hasn't been good for a while now - a good season or two.


21 Aug 2016 19:14:58
Puzzled to be fair I have no idea how any Everton player faired last season because I didn't watch any Of their games.
I haven't seen baines play either in a long time but I do remember coleman being truly excellent and united were interested ThE season before last.
My point really was were are the great fullbacks now?
The real Ag I'll look them up now, cheers.


21 Aug 2016 19:44:07
Ed002 mentioned the Valencia left back Gaya as one we should look at, given Ed was spot on about Bertrand I think we should have a look.


21 Aug 2016 16:54:48
Important update:
It's my birthday today😀.

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{Ed001's Note - happy birthday Kate's Bush.}

21 Aug 2016 17:32:57
Many happy returns Bush.


21 Aug 2016 17:35:21
Cheers doll. X.


{Ed001's Note - very welcome, I hope it is a better one than yesterday.}

21 Aug 2016 17:35:42
Happy Birthday Kate.
Was always a big fan of your music😁.


21 Aug 2016 17:37:24
You snuck in an apostrophe S there Ed lad.


{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what you could mean.....}

21 Aug 2016 17:44:40
Showing your age again ed001, nobody has a bush these days. Haha.


{Ed001's Note - tell that to shepherds....}

21 Aug 2016 18:13:29
Cheers BarryinLouth. I'll be back. Babooooshkayayaaaaah!


21 Aug 2016 18:15:11
Thanks Ed001. I'm 36 now so winding down a bit. Am used to the roller-coaster ride that is being a Liverpool fan. Was 10 the last time we won the league. ☹️.


{Ed001's Note - I am only 21 so I don't remember us winning it myself.....}

21 Aug 2016 18:18:21
Bush is the new Black 1985mikey.


21 Aug 2016 18:49:43
21 Ed001? I hope you mean that's the year you were born.
Happy Birthday Bush (Kate)


{Ed001's Note - I am young and beautiful Reet, no need to be jealous.}

21 Aug 2016 18:55:16
I was actually 9 when we last won the league. Jeez.
Thanks to all the well wishers and a big kiss of my old arse for the disagrees on every post on this thread. X.


21 Aug 2016 19:32:39
How old are you Ed001? I have you down as around the same age as my big bro, bout 45?


{Ed002's Note - He has left this for me to answer - 45 is his inside leg measurement in inches. Well his right leg.}

21 Aug 2016 19:46:44
Happy Birthday Kate, we will get you three points soon .


21 Aug 2016 20:15:19
water retention?


{Ed002's Note - It was for a while, then it got ugly.}

21 Aug 2016 20:21:52
Hope I never run into him then.


{Ed002's Note - Dinsdale McSkrtel is still out there - just waiting.}

21 Aug 2016 21:18:28
Dinsdale sounds like a cheap brand of sports clothes from the 1970's.


21 Aug 2016 21:24:20
This is why I wrote the song "Breathing". I didn't want to enter a world where such people existed.


21 Aug 2016 16:51:29
Does noone want to see origi and sturridge play togetheR? Origis just turned 21 and already looks very good. Why not play both if origi performs? It seems we're accommodating players. for example how does origi get ahead of firminho and lallana? . I'd like to see origi really pushing.
Mane looks a definite starter on current form. I'd like to see them as our front 3 with coutinho, can and henderson behind them. I think it would be interesting.

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{Ed001's Note - if Studger looked close to fitness, I would love that. Unfortunately, Sturridge looks a mile away and so Firmino or Ings look better options.}

21 Aug 2016 17:42:01
Edd001 it's only august mate. Sturridge will be a lot fitter and sharper come the end of September. It's in my mind a real future option because origi really has started to look somethingelse.


{Ed001's Note - I agree, in the future it is a very good option to have.}

21 Aug 2016 18:02:14
I don't think its anything to do with fitness that can get better.

I believe this is how he is managing himself now in order to play more games. He said during Brendan days that he won't play unless 100% on the money. Obviously Klopp pulled that up last November when he just returned and then wanted to sit out with a niggle and Klopp indirectly was saying your never going to be perfectly ready for a match, your always going to have knocks.

Since then sturridge has -no matter wether it was his first game back or his tenth in a row- looked to have that sharpness.

I just think he's sacrificing pushing himself so hard in order to maintain a certain level of playable fitness.

Not lazyiness btw, just maturing. He always pulls up for sprints, never looks to get in behind. I just think hw is scared now also of getting another injury.

Or the worst case is that op he has on his hip the one where they believed they had identified what caused him so many problems and cut abut away has taken something from him.

Said it over and over and don't think firmino and sturridge can play in same team. Eseocially if this sharpness doesn't return.

And inga, firmino, benteke and origi where going to replace him.


21 Aug 2016 19:51:01
Sturridge needs a couple of games to get his sharpness back, problem is that we really need to get some points, and he looked so far off his game on Sat, that he should have been replaced at half time .


21 Aug 2016 20:11:09
I'd still love to see us play with 2 out and out strikers rather than the continued obsession with one up front (which most clubs seem to have these days) - if your midfield isn't giving you goals then surely playing 2 up top is the way to go? Go for a 4-1-3-2 formation I reckon, especially at home!


21 Aug 2016 16:36:04
Can you all just calm down, your all talking like the sky has fallen in!

Can I ask, if we had held our own at arsenal but lost 1-0, then beaten Burnley quite convincingly, would there be the same negativity as there is at the moment? My guess is no yet we'd still have the same amount of points.

We are still trying to move players on, the defence still has problems yes, but we have matip to come in maybe sakho also plus klopp will be working on who his best midfield will be plus who his best out and out forward is going to be, and the only way to do this is by playing competitive games so your bound to receive poor performances and or results while he answers some of the questions above.

There are players who will be moved on next summer who are playing now because you can't just get rid of the starting 11 then buy 11 to take there place, it's a gradual process that will probably need 3 or 4 windows to come to fruition.

Some of you need to have a serious word with yourselves, see where we are after 10-12 games before you start having a pop at klopp or wijnaldum or whoever else hasn't instantly performed inside two games.

It hurts when we lose we all know that and if your getting stick from mancs or twisteds then man up and face them because we will get there and how sweet will it be to ram there words back down the throats? And with interest!

Patience and support that's the way forward!

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21 Aug 2016 17:01:05
Waro I agree but we also mustn't ignore the pattern that we have established. Barcelona amazing win, mainz hammering, Arsenal amazing win, burnley hammering. All we have this season is the league. We should have no excuse for setting these sort of patterns.


21 Aug 2016 17:03:25
Pure frustration I think Waro.
I do understand though. We have seen the same mistakes and inconsistencies for years now.


21 Aug 2016 17:12:05
There was 8 or 9 players on the pitch yesterday that played all last season Waro. Are you saying that Klopp still doesn't know if they are good enough? Will Pep, Jose and Conte need 3 or 4 windows to challenge? My guess is no and one of them will win and the other 2 will do better than Lfc and remember Klopp has had nearly a season at Lfc. In my opinion there should be no excuses. I hope and expect better in the future.


21 Aug 2016 17:12:15
Wijnaldum hasn't performed for seasons * in the premier league
Waro it will require patience but also a need to witness chanGe. The spurs game we will most likely perform and the players questionable but it's the lower teams that will really show us if we're improving as a whole.


21 Aug 2016 17:41:52
Same mistakes and same weaknesses over and over again, same bad decisions in the transfer market and weaknesses not addressed. I see no reason why we should suddenly turn round and beat a Spurs side who are frankly better than us in all departments. They've got a better keeper, a better defence, a stronger midfield and arguably better up front.


21 Aug 2016 18:10:33
This pattern has been going on since klopp started, I don't see how the corner can be turned. Surely by now we would see a good run of games that show consistency. Even teams at the bottom of the table have good runs of results but we go from excellent to awful in the space of a week. There is something very wrong somewhere.


21 Aug 2016 18:24:11
So get rid of the first 11 that Rodgers left him with and bring 11 new players in? That's never happened in the history of football. Some of you need to get off the PlayStation and into the real world 🌍.

" will pep Jose or conte need 3 or 4 windows to challenge ", Chelsea and city and to a lesser extent United had the nucleus of a good team to start with and are paying huge amounts for top class players on top class wages, so if you all want to blame someone blame the owners (and I'm getting really tired of saying this) who will pay largish fees but nowhere near top wages I. e. Carroll £35mill 100k a week aguero £40mill £220k a week and if you look there's plenty of comparisons like the example I've given, most transfer windows have been self funded by selling your star player and using the money plus maybe £20 mill on top ( I'd like to no our net spend on transfers since F$G took over, ) and there is the difference. So if your looking to blame someone blame them.

P. s. I don't want to hear any lies about they saved us and they've invested blah blah blah because they haven't and they didn't, they've hedged against the club and will make a massive profit when they leave and that's a fact.


21 Aug 2016 18:41:22
No Waro you don't change the 11 players in one window but you can change the glaring holes in our defence such as Clyne and Moreno for a start and not buy another attacking player. Do you honestly see Matip and Klavan as the answer to our defensive issues? I don't by any stretch.


21 Aug 2016 19:48:22
He obviously feels were OK at right back irish and he tried to bring in a left back, is it his fault that ayre couldn't or wouldn't get one over the line. And he's brought in a keeper and two centre backs, is it his fault one of the centre backs was injured ditto the keeper. Your all jumping the gun and are totally out of order, the verruca salt generation, what's next klopp out.


{Ed001's Note - he was looking for a right back as well, he is certainly not happy with Clyne.}

21 Aug 2016 19:51:42
That's an excellent point Waro - the real 'top' teams pay top dollar, and top wage, for the top players. We're in the tier below. And it shows.


21 Aug 2016 20:07:25
Waro top man.


21 Aug 2016 20:10:10
Was he ed001, I read Clyne had a problem but I've not seen us linked to any right backs so assumed he was happy with that position. That's something else for them to moan about then. KLOPP OUT!


{Ed001's Note - we have defo looked at replacements mate.}

21 Aug 2016 20:35:33
£69M of loans were converted last fiscal year. I'd say that's investment. Maybe not as much as some would like, but it's clearly investment.


21 Aug 2016 21:58:03
I stand corrected ed001, cheers for the info.


{Ed001's Note - welcome mate, I just wish we had kept hold of Flanno personally.}

22 Aug 2016 10:05:22
Agree with waro about the knee jerk stuff, as i said before this team is not top 4 quality and we will lose games like these over the season. It has been decades since we have been on top so this really is not new to anyone.

Disagree that its not klopps fault on the transfers, he has ultimate say so and wijnaldum is plainly not going to work in the way klopp wants it to much like benteke. And to go into the start of the season with moreno as main left back and selling and loaning both our recognised back up players will bite him in the butt.

We will get better and i stand by my prediction of winning a cup and finishing in the top 6 which is all we should expect from the players he has purchased so far. let's give them time to gel and roll with the punches as there will be a few more knock outs like Saturday to come.


21 Aug 2016 16:13:08
Well that Burnley game was rancid. We had a lot of possession I know but god damn we did not threaten them what-so-ever. Player ratings (IMO) :

Mignolet - 5 or 6 - my friend was adamant that he was partially at fault for the first goal; my stream was being awful so I never saw it. If he was he's a 5 maximum. If not a 6 though he still did nothing to make you think he deserves to start once Karius is fit

Milner - 5 - usual story of hard work but little else. He wasn't bad defensively but, then again, Burnley had very few attacks and he didn't really need to shine. Getting forward was painful to watch - the amount of times he cut onto his right foot (and gave Burnley plenty of time to get themselves settled) wow, was not good.

Clyne - 4 - at fault for their crucial first goal, the goal which set the game up for what it was: turgid, slow, defensive and perfect for what Burnley wanted. Honestly, if I thought we'd actually sign someone else, I'd want him sold. Over rated massively.

Lovren - 6 - OK, just OK. Lacks pace badly and has some bizarre moments in terms of his distribution - personally will be happier when Matip it starting regularly.

Klavan - 6 - solid and dependable but their second goal should really have been nipped in the bud long before it was in the net. It was on Klavans side, maybe could of done more.

Wijnaldum - 3 - what did he do in the game? Zilch. Honestly we'd of been better off keeping Allen: at least his lateral passes find their man and he can control a football. Worrying signs and surely needs replacing.

Henderson - 6 - tireless, hard-working but little sparkle. His passing was below par as well. Not a great day for him.

Lallana - 4 - very, very poor. A few terrible shots, a few skips and turns and flicks but absolutely nothing by the way of effective contribution. Also rarely, if ever, tackles others. Think he needs dropping and, in truth, don't think he is good enough for us as anything other than a luxury player.

Coutinho - 5 worked hard and was the only player who looked likely to create something. My problem was his incessant shooting from wherever he happened to vbe standing. Was miles away and it simply gave them possession and removed our attacking pressure (which to be fair was hardly domineering) .

Firmino - 5 - again working very hard off the ball. Seemed to drop deeper and deeper as the game went on in order to try and get more touches of the ball. Ultimately failed to contribute much to the team but by no means the only guilty party.

Sturridge - 4 - lethargic and off the boil. Might just be me but he looks like he has really lost his pace - I remember a ball Coutinho played with the outside of his boot in the first-half and it went beyond Sturridge - I remember thinking 'he would have got onto that a few seasons ago'. Hopefully he improves but he was uninspiring stuff.

Subs:

Origi - 5 - marginally better than Sturridge but still did relatively little, again this was a team issue not so much an individual one.

Grujic - 6 - thought he looked bright in the time he came on, decent touches and a few shots but ultimately unable to affect proceedings. Certainly deserves to start ahead of either Lallana or Wijnaldum.

Moreno - 5 - had little to do defensively, and was about as good as Milner going forward when he came on. Utterly hopeless - cannot believe the club will not address this issue.

Conclusion: goals change games and, within the context of this game, Burnleys opener was crucial and set-up the turgid 89 minutes that followed. We lacked craft or incision and think the lack of pace, in the absence of Mane, really gave us a one-dimensional feel. Coutinho cannot rescue it for us everytime but that's how the game unfurled - constant passes to the lad in hopes he'd pull a rabbit out of the hat. We lack pace and we definitely lack the know-how to beat teams when they set-up the way Burnley do.

Defensively it is the same story - paying the price for having players not up to scratch. Their second goal was particularly disappointing given that there were a number of chances to make a decisive tackle before it found its way in. Some weak midfielders were on display there and it showed in that goal.

Ultimately it is just three points but, at least for me, it is incredibly frustrating to beat a top 4 contender one week, and in some style, and then just go down with such a whimper against what we term a 'lesser' team a week later. In my opinion, whilst the problems we have remain, this sort of inconsistency will be a common feature of the season. I fancy us to do well against Spurs - and then lose the game after to some relegation contenders.

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21 Aug 2016 16:26:24
Seano, Mignolet should have got the first, a decent shot stopper should be getting that.


21 Aug 2016 16:26:24
Seano, Mignolet should have got the first, a decent shot stopper should be getting that.


21 Aug 2016 17:50:11
I think lovrens not a long term option. I thought we bought a top central defender but he has been truly exposed now. With no defensive midfielder offering protection which we don't have he struggles. Klavan needs time. He looked very good against arsenal. We have matip and Sakho both are are very good central defenders.


21 Aug 2016 19:00:16
Liverpool simply has too many players who aren't good enough but are costing the same as better players somehow and players who are good enough one week but rubbish the next, hence they're not being chased by better clubs. There doesn't seem to be the right balance of players who can perform to a standard week after week. It is possibly ironic that some big players won't join Liverpool because the name isn't big enough any more and the ones who will aren't good enough but think they've made it and earned their higher wages because they're at Liverpool. The club is no longer one of the big guns in EPL never mind Europe. The solution may well be to look at players with a decent, consistent standard who aren't big names but perform as a team who can be got to punch above their weight. Clearly signing "names" like Benteke, Clyne, Lovren and several signed this season, who aren't names and aren't good enough is just a waste of money and squad places.

Unless there is a drastic overhaul of what is happening, including a major change of thinking about what the club needs, nothing will change. Mid table mediocrity has arrived and will remain.


21 Aug 2016 16:07:40
gutted but not shocked by the result yesterday, we have to learn how to break teams down and until we do we will always have the same problems, we need to vary our tatics and personell, no fan watching yesterday would have minded klopp bringing on 3 subs at half time and changing the formation. we simply cannot continue leaking goals at the rate we are, its just not viable, both goals were shocking from a defenders point of view, also get rid of this passing between defenders lark, all its doing is causing mass panic in our ranks, get the ball up to our creative players quicker and tell them to spread out, also give lallana a 2 touch maxium when he has the ball, and no cruyff turns, yes we missed mane but surely we are not relying on 1 player being fit again are we?

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21 Aug 2016 20:05:04
Way too many problems that have not been sorted, most games are won in midfield, our midfield needs major sorting, too many lightweights, getting knocked off the ball, losing possession, still have last seasons major weaknesses there, can't see us anywhere top four .


21 Aug 2016 15:51:20
Perspective is all that is required at this moment. If we had lost to Arsenal and beaten Burnley, we would have the same number of points yet the negativity would be a lot less.
I appreciate the supposed level of opposition, but no game is a 'given' anymore.
Also, last season's winners and a team that always finished in the top 4 currently only have 1 point each.
It's early days and the transfer window is still open.
A lot can change in the next few weeks.

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21 Aug 2016 16:14:39
It's the nature of the defeat and the lacklustre way we were set up. You could see last week that Lallana and Wijnaldum are not centre midfielders and would struggle yet we started with them. Our defence was over exposed again and it was as bad as our defeats last year. It's going to be a very long hard season as I can't see anything changing because we have no proper midfield anchor.


21 Aug 2016 16:16:06
That's because we beat Arsenal and, instead of following up that victory with another (against a team of a lesser standing than ourselves), we meekly surrendered and lost. That sort of inconsistency is not new it has dogged us for the past couple of seasons - and the signs are it will continue to do so.


21 Aug 2016 16:39:34
Redallover, wish I'd have glanced down the page before I posted above, you've stolen my thunder. D'oh😫.


21 Aug 2016 18:07:15
Don't worry Waro :-)
This page is a nightmare - if we win a game, everyone is great and we're going to win the league. If we lose a game, everyone needs to be sold and Klopp doesn't know what he is doing.
As you said above, it takes time to build a team (3-4 transfer windows) as you can't just replace the whole team/ squad in one go.
There's also no point in just buying a player for a certain position if he is not an upgrade on the qualities the current player brings.
It's much better to wait and get the right player in.
Yes it's frustrating to lose to Burnley after beating Arsenal, but if we were told that after the first 2 fixtures we would have 1 win and one loss, we would have said that was what was probably going to happen (maybe a draw and a win being the best that most would have thought possible - so we are only 1 point behind that) .
It is quite obvious where the deficiencies in the team are, but there are still a few weeks to see if that can change.
Also, just because Klopp has said he is not looking to buy or that he doesn't have a problem with a certain player, does not mean that we won't make more signings or that certain player won't be moved on.
This keeps the player confident, doesn't ramp-up the fee for the player coming in and de-value the player going out.
The exact opposite to the way Rogers seemed to operate.


21 Aug 2016 19:02:43
A piece of perspective, stats would suggest that playing Coutinho and Firminho together results in lots of goals - the problem is most of the goals seem to come in a minority of games, meaning for the majority of games they don't really produce much. The only teams they seem to do well against are sides who turn up to play a more attacking game and leave themselves open. The top need is for these guys to produce against the teams who want to play low risk, avoid relegation football.


21 Aug 2016 15:00:33
Eds do you know if its just fitness with Emre being on the bench or purely that he prefers Wijnaldum/ Lallana atm?

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{Ed002's Note - He has a squad to pick from, there are no secret messages in his choice each week.}

21 Aug 2016 15:20:41
Lfc
He has to chose an available emre can over Wijnaldum. Henderson, can and grujic have to become our recognised midfield. Simply because Wijnaldum and lallana are not up to par and do not help henderson whilst also offering nothing . I still don't know what Wijnaldum does on the pitch and lallana is not a central midfielder. Can and grujic are both strong, quick and very tall. Cans an excellent player.
Klopps commenting on consistency. You need a consistent midfield and line up. We can't afford to mess about. He has to make the changes next week. If he doesn't address changing personnel we are only further halting our progress because results will not go our way. the back line also needs a few changes. Sakho and matip have to considered if Sakhos staying. Don't know how we are improving fullbacks however. We have no replacements for cylne are moreno.


21 Aug 2016 16:03:46
Sakho has to be "rehabilitated" or do whatever needs to be done to fix his head, so that he can contribute to the team like before. I was one of those who was singing Klavan's praises earlier, but very much concerned now with his lack of pace.


21 Aug 2016 14:55:16
We were always going to lose a few games this season, the question is was yesterday just one of those days or a sign of deeper problems. I'm hoping for the former. Next week we play spurs which will be a better demonstration of how we compare to our peers, it's a fast more important match than yesterday.

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21 Aug 2016 15:08:54
Hi.
Its no good been able to beat our so called peers by playing pressing football but then been beat by so called lower teams by them pessing us.
Top teams find a way.
We are not a top team
Far off it apparently.


21 Aug 2016 15:10:36
Disagree. Next weeks match is still only 3 points. Liverpool have proved that they can raise their game against bigger teams. Time and time again Liverpool have failed to deliver against the so called "lesser" teams. The same defensive issues are still their mainly because its the same players. You can't polish a turd comes to mind with regards to our defenders.


21 Aug 2016 16:17:11
Our defenders are constantly exposed by our appallingly weak and defensively naive midfield. So of course we're more likely to conced goals, particularly because Mignolet is one of the worst shot stoppers in the league (stats back that up too. ) .


21 Aug 2016 14:47:18
I've noticed Hendo coming in for a lot of flak for the last few months and again over the last 24 hours and i can understand fan's frustration with him but i feel he's a player that is largely influenced by the performance of those around him.

When we are playing well, creating space through runs and providing options for the man on the ball, imo Hendo's class shines through. I felt he was the unsung hero of the Arsenal game, breaking down attacks and confidently redistributing the ball in mf. His best season undoubtedly came in 13/ 14, with Gerrard playing a deeper role, allowing Hendo to find space to pick a forward pass. I don't think playing as the deep lying playmaker suits his strengths at all in games where we have no time on the ball, especially when in a shockingly weak mf 3 of Lallana and Wijnaldum. This is why in games where we need to break teams down a DM is essential, be that Emre or someone else.

Yesterday our movement upfield was so limited with Burnley parking the bus, so when Hendo was quickly closed down, he had hardly any options in space, largely because of the mf selection and the distinct lack of width with our wing positions essentially vacated as Coutinho cut inside every time and Firmino dropping deep.

He has had a poor 18 months by his standard but I feel he is often the scapegoat for the team performing badly, due to often playing the wrong system as we saw yesterday. Playing 4 cam's and Sturridge unwilling to get in behind, is never going to work against teams sitting back, hence the need for width which we really lacked without Mane, opening up the space for runs to be made allowing players like Hendo options to pick a forward pass. One of our only good chances yesterday came from a wide firmino cross across the 6 yard box, which will be much more of a feature of our play with Mane on the field.

Hopefully when Emre and Mane return, Hendo's performance and in turn the whole teams performance will drastically improve, as against defensive setups and no support, the DLP role fails him.

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21 Aug 2016 15:27:54
Well that's were you are wrong. Henderson as captain shouldn't be influenced by how others perform. He should be influencing others when we're struggling. The main issue isn't his leadership however. He was poor yesterday and his passing was terrible much like the entire team. Cylnes ball was criminal yet it's been forgotten about because many are brainwashed and think he's a brilliant fullback that does no wrong.
I said yesterday about hendersons performances after his injury but yesterday is one to forget for him simply because he has no help. Absolutely no help in midfield. I listened to my mate argue with me that lallana does plenty of running and work for the team. When lallana attempts to help out or defend he's usually always in the way and gets in the way of our own players. If an opposition player beats two of our players I can guarantee you lallana was one of those players and got in the way of our other.
There's not much else I can say on Wijnaldum. He did henderson no favours either.
Henderson is an excellent player on his day but he needs help. Even pogba would struggle in hendersons role with lallana and Wijnaldum.


21 Aug 2016 15:35:13
Spot on analysis. I've noticed that Henderson is at his best when the midfielders beside him are also playing well. It's how his style of play operates. When the other midfielders are playing well, he is a class act. Unfortunately when they play badly, he rarely is able to take the game by the scruff of the neck and create something out of nowhere when his attacking teammates are not playing well.

I rate Henderson but that is one of the things in his game that he lacks compared to Gerrard. He is great at keeping momentum flowing when it is there but when it isn't.

I don't think he was as bad as people made out yesterday. He needed more support in defensive midfield. He is not a holding midfielder. Wijnaldum is not the ideal anchor partner.

For me, it is Henderson and Can in midfield. I would have loved to have seen a player like Geis or Neves bought to complement them in midfield but it seems like it isn't going to be.


21 Aug 2016 16:20:12
Exactly, I think his ability to grab the game by the scruff of the neck when its not going well is the area of his game which everyone will agree is lacking. Which is why we need to adapt our system to the team we are playing and not expect him to do it by himself every game. The arsenal game suited the Wijnaldum and Lallana midfield reasonably well as there was plenty of space to exploit but the concept of playing the same midfield away at Burnley baffles me to be honest.

I'm with you on the side of the need for a DM, i rate Stewart but don't think he's quite ready for that responsibility yet, so the Can/ Henderson partnership seems a no brainer at the moment, with either Sturridge or Origi up top and Wijnaldum and Lallana sacrificed. I think Coutinho is more than capable of dropping back into a midfield 3 if it seems we are being out-run in the middle of the park. Here's to hoping Klopp is a bit less naive in these type of fixtures in the future or we're in for another long season.


21 Aug 2016 16:20:12
Exactly, I think his ability to grab the game by the scruff of the neck when its not going well is the area of his game which everyone will agree is lacking. Which is why we need to adapt our system to the team we are playing and not expect him to do it by himself every game. The arsenal game suited the Wijnaldum and Lallana midfield reasonably well as there was plenty of space to exploit but the concept of playing the same midfield away at Burnley baffles me to be honest.

I'm with you on the side of the need for a DM, i rate Stewart but don't think he's quite ready for that responsibility yet, so the Can/ Henderson partnership seems a no brainer at the moment, with either Sturridge or Origi up top and Wijnaldum and Lallana sacrificed. I think Coutinho is more than capable of dropping back into a midfield 3 if it seems we are being out-run in the middle of the park. Here's to hoping Klopp is a bit less naive in these type of fixtures in the future or we're in for another long season.


21 Aug 2016 14:15:10
Eds when Peter Krawietz ( the eyes ) came to the club he was hailed as a brilliant video analyst. Surely he would have watched Burnley and knew how they would set up. Is it a case of Klopp underestimating Burnley? BTW If there is not a plan B we need one asap.

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{Ed001's Note - Burnley didn't play their usual way, as Dyche is a clever man and he always looks to change things. They pressed high, which is highly unusual for them, and caught us out. If you are referring to the attack, there is not a lot more you can do but hope your team has their shooting boots and gets the lead early against a team that sits deep. Once they have a lead it becomes almost impossible to get behind them, so you are relying on individual brilliance or fast passing and movement. Every player was passing it badly so we needed some good long range shooting, which was also missing.}

21 Aug 2016 14:35:56
Edd001 read your comment on us on the United page. You really think sturridge and coutinho are the only players good enough? Unless I've interrupted that wrong mate.
I think we have a lot of excellent players going forward who will shine throughout the season. midfield is key to decent performances. the defence is something I'm sure klopp will improve.


{Ed001's Note - you have, I was talking about of the players bought by Rodgers still at the club. Not those he inherited or that have arrived since.}

21 Aug 2016 15:01:32
Thanks for the reply ed001's.


{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome mate.}

21 Aug 2016 16:03:21
What about Firmino and Origi, ed?


{Ed001's Note - I had actually forgotten about them to be honest. Ok that's four out of the 300 he brought in.}

21 Aug 2016 12:40:15
Question for ed1. I would be interested in your opinion on this as I enjoy reading what you have to say after games. I know your a klopp fan and i'm glad he's at our club and think if he just changed a few things then he will prove to be a big success. What do you make of our weakness in midfield in that we leave huge gaps that teams allways exploit and our shocking defense and goalkeeper. Do you think klopp has the ability to sort our soft centre out. I'm not over reacting to yesterday's poor performance but this problem has been going on for a few years and i was hopeful klopp Would sort it out over time but I honestly think that he has a much of a clue about sorting the problems out as Rodgers. Same problems yet he's in the job nearly a year and no sign of these areas being addressed. Tactically I think he is lacking as well and hope he changes as he could be a great manager but for me I don't think he will. Playing Gigi as a central midfielder is criminal in my eyes. Hendo takes so much abuse it's unreal as he's the only midfielder who even tries to track runners but with so much space to cover he looks lost. How world you go about making us solid defensively? I think our defensive player are all poor with the exception of sakho who looks to be heading out the door which is a real shame in my eyes. Thanks ed1 looking forward to your answer mate.

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{Ed001's Note - I believe he will sort out, he just has a different way of improving the defence to some. It takes time to develop the teamwork necessary. While he may have been in the job a while, he has only had a short time to work with the current team. It needs patience.}

21 Aug 2016 14:22:17
Hey ed01, which players would you expect to form our central pairing? There will probably be rotation, but stability is vital.
Also, you mentioned Grujic as one very likely to be a surprise package in the first team, and the kid does have immense potential - if he manages to adapt well, whom do you see pushing for game time? One of the advanced or the deep lying midfielders?


{Ed001's Note - he will play the advanced role. I am hoping Klopp will change from one sitting or hold back the full backs, which would be even better. Personally though, as things stand, for me it has to be Can and Hendo there. Can is far from perfect, but he is currently our best option.}

21 Aug 2016 16:06:53
Agreed, ed, people seem to forget that some of our best stretches last season came with Can and Hendo as a midfield two. Everyone seems to be underestimating the impact a fully fit Hendo will have on the season, even when he does not excel with individual play (and he actually used to do it very often for a CM), he can make the whole team click better. Let us hope he will be back at his level this year.
Back to my original question though, I was talking about central defense pairing :> Sorry if it did not come clear. I would expect Matip to be there, but not too sure who to put next to him. Sakho would be an interesting choice, as this pairing would either be genius or disastrous- but Sakho seems to be headed out.


21 Aug 2016 13:13:14
Does it bug anybody else that Lovren always turns his back to the ball when somebody shoots? Incredibly frustrating.

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21 Aug 2016 18:58:37
Yes it really annoys me because it's a cardinal sin for defenders to do that 😡.


{Ed001's Note - I would sell him for that alone. It is a sackable offence in my book.}

22 Aug 2016 10:21:03
Very keen to see if he will get game ahead of matip?


21 Aug 2016 12:25:30
Strong mentality is what's needed two carragher (spelling) type players with organisation ability is what's needed.

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21 Aug 2016 13:08:22
He has got the same mentality as Wenger, he is trying to prove to the owners that big money is not needed to be a success and of course we all know how its going to pan out.

Quality brings success not quantity.


21 Aug 2016 13:39:36
Perhaps let Klavan, Matip and Karius settle in and learn English?

You are by no means the main culprit Ginger, so don't take this personally. But all these knee jerk posts crying over 1 loss is ridiculous. It is very early in the season and we've been unlucky with injuries losing Matip and Karius before the season even started. They were the two primary players brought in to strengthen our defensive unit and neither have even played yet.

Yeah all right, Burnley beat us and it is frustrating. But it isn't like we played absolutely terribly. We had 80% possession and 26 shots to their 3. The difference was that Heaton made the saves when it was required of him, and Mignolet didn't. We made sloppy errors trying to pass through a very well drilled team. In many ways we were the better team, but Dyche got it spot on and stung us with a couple of goals from nothing.

Move on people. Get over it. Last week we beat Arsenal at the Emirates for only the second time in 20+ attempts, and we were title contenders. One upset later and we are relegation fodder? Your behaviour is far more embarrassing than the result yesterday. We all know that our full backs are not good enough. That has been clear for a year or longer. But turning on new signings already, our captain, some of our best players etc. I mean what is this? It is pitiful to say the least. I'm not going to post some 60 year old Shankly quote about supporting us when we lose, because I shouldn't need to prompt you all to be decent supporters. I'm not asking for blind support. But it is the second game of the season, not the last. So stop over reacting and turning into internet trolls.


21 Aug 2016 13:53:11
Super post that MK.


21 Aug 2016 13:53:54
They all need to be sold. The league is over after 2 games. Seriously I agree completely with MK. It is the second game. 36 to go and I am looking ahead to each and every one.


21 Aug 2016 14:12:00
Exactly MK, is it going to be like this after every loss?


21 Aug 2016 14:27:02
Thanks Emre, and exactly 420FL. 36 opportunities to make up for yesterday and fine tune this very new look team.

I sure hope not Puzzled Red!


21 Aug 2016 14:35:43
This isn't simply a defeat in isolation. There is a symptomatic problem that hasn't been dealt with and other teams expose again and again. I said before the start of the season that if we stuck Wijnaldum in centre midfield we'd have the same problems as last season, ie leaving our defence too easily exposed through a weak midfield, I stand by my view that he is a waste of £24m and I've seen nothing in his time at Newcastle and his displays so far that suggests he will be a good signing. I can see this kind of thing happening again and again this season as we simply don't have any balance in midfield and lack any real defensive nous. Add to that our fullbacks appear to play as if they were not blessed with any brains and Mignolet's incapability of performing the rudimentary tasks a supposed 'good shot stopper' should do (you know, like stopping relatively easy shots? ) then you have a recipe for a season being over by November. Going to a team that will be a likely relegation candidate and being not only beaten but so toothless is pathetic and does not bode at all well. Need I remind anyone of the league games against Swansea, Southampton, Watford, Newcastle, Man United, West Ham, Crystal Palace or the cup final (second half) against Sevilla? Yesterday was the same as those games and to me we are going into the season seriously under prepared and failed go strengthen in two crucial areas (left back and defensive centre midfield) which we will pay heavily for.


21 Aug 2016 15:35:31
@Frankly, left back and centre midfield weaknesses has nothing to do with Clyne passing the ball straight to the Burnley man and gifting them a goal.

You're a bit of a broken record mate, all you posts are the same.


21 Aug 2016 16:06:54
Matip was on the bench yesterday, i think also on the opening day so he can't be injured.


21 Aug 2016 16:07:23
Actually both goals came about through players being able to run unchallenged through midfield and then allowed to shoot (don't get me started on how poor Mignolet was for both goals, neither effort was a world class effort. ) The individual mistakes didn't help, but just being able to run like that with no midfielder making a challenge is criminal, Henderson was left chasing shadows because Lallana and Wijnaldum are simply not centre midfielders or up to the task they were assigned, we don't have the right personnel to mount a serious challenge for anything and we've spent badly by wasting £24m on Wijnaldum.


21 Aug 2016 11:35:23
Hello Eds great site what's your opinion on this Chinese interest in the club good or bad and do you think fsg will sell? Cheers in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - These things come and go - there was an offer in February for example. There is no easy way to tell if it will be good for the club in the long run but generally institutional owners are not a good thing. FSG has said "not for sale" - but we are heading toward a point where there will be lots of interest in English clubs as I have explained before.}

21 Aug 2016 11:29:22
On a lighter note, I find that kit confusing.

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21 Aug 2016 12:01:17
"Lighter" - I like it 😄

I'm beginning to hate that kit. Have we only played Mainz and Burnley in it? 😡.


21 Aug 2016 12:22:54
No we beat AC Milan in it over in USA.


21 Aug 2016 12:27:24
Ron you've just ruined the site for me today! The kit was the only thing that I hadn't seen blamed for the loss!


21 Aug 2016 12:35:16
Played Barcelona in it.


21 Aug 2016 12:36:55
Reminds me of the performance repellent grey debacle in the 90s.


21 Aug 2016 09:09:35
Hi

I've been scratching my head thinking about possible "quality" left backs who might be available. Been through the usual list that I've seen here already.

Wondering if anything is still being done about Amavi from Villa?

Would Kolarov from Man City be available Eds? Don't know if Guardiola has ever sold players to what might be considered 'contenders'?

Eds - could you give us a list of LBs you'd like to see playing for us - who might be available?

Cheers
RedTed.

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{Ed002's Note - KLopp says he is happy with Moreno and that he does not understand why the fans criticise him. The club has shown an interest in Chilwell and Amavi this summer. When I suggested players that would improve Liverpool I suggested Valencia's Gaya - and I will stick with that (although it won't of course happen).}

21 Aug 2016 10:14:01
Kloppo had his fair share of rage fuelled rants at Moreno from the bench last season, maybe he needs to look back at his performances to see what the fans are upset about.
To be honest it goes further than just personel. Yesterday's match bore more resemblance to September 2015 than April 2016.

It seems we keep on making the same stupid mistakes twice a year. We disrupt the momentum of the team by buying loads of new players most of which we don't need.
In July I thought we needed 2 players (Grujic and Matip were already on their way) - a world class keeper and a left back who can defend. Instead we got a young potentially decent keeper who is injured 🙄 plus a centre back, an attacking midfielder, a winger and a 40 year old keeper who was never good enough in his prime.

Where is the strategy at the club? Where is the "joined up thinking" behind these transfer windows? It can't be the manager's fault otherwise we would see a change between managers. I'd rather see us buy no players than players we don't need. It's nothing to do with money, it's to do with team spirit, dressing room harmony, integrating new players, blocking young players. Money comes after all these.


21 Aug 2016 10:21:11
Klopp would say that though ed. The fact he's been trying to get his replacement in would suggest to me he does understand.
Let's hope he manages to bring someone in.


{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Klopp looking for a replacement.}

21 Aug 2016 10:39:22
It might not happen ed002 but it may well appear in the press now you've mentioned it lol.


21 Aug 2016 10:40:37
Have to say Ed002, you suggested Ryan Bertrand as well and more and more that looks like one that got away, so maybe the club should take your advice!


{Ed002's Note - He would have been a much better choice that Moreno.}

21 Aug 2016 11:14:54
You know it's a bad weekend when even Ron is upset.

Keep the faith guys, YNWA.


21 Aug 2016 14:21:36
You are not wrong that he would have been a better choice Ed.


21 Aug 2016 14:24:26
I feel that expectation is too high, we have been playing with a very average goalkeeper for the last 3yrs and he his the main reason we concede too many goals. The last 5 shots on target he has had to deal with have all ended up in the back of the net.
Jurgen has bought a very good young keeper who would have been playing only for a broken hand. He also bought a footballing Centre Back whom also had a pre-season injury, Finally he bought an attacking midfielder who finishes much better than the ones we have, who also missed yesterdays game.
What happened yesterday? They scored early, protected their goal Alamo style and scored with the only other shot they had on target. If a fit Karius and Matip was playing they would have made a huge change to how we played. Both being quicker and better with the ball at their feet. Burnley Knew we would start our attacks from too far back, Migs to either Hendo or wijnaldum and would press which ever one started play. When they had the ball at the back they would just hoof it over our attacking 5 and knowing our back 2 would sit too deep they had a pretty comfortable time. A lot like Watford Newcastle and West Ham away.
I am confident a fit Karius Mane and Matip will make a huge difference to future results. YNWA.


21 Aug 2016 14:35:31
Franklymrshankly agree 100% over bertrand. I've mentioned this several times that ed02 said at the time berteand was available from chelsea I think 5-6 million to begin with abd was the far better choice v moreno and rojo I think we looked at too. Ed was right about markovic to. The left back the ed has recommended should be worth a look.


21 Aug 2016 14:45:51
Ed002, I'm not familiar with Gaya at Valencia, do you know what his strengths are as a left back?


{Ed002's Note - I am not one to analyse players FMS but he is very well thought of and both Manchester United and Arsenal looked at Gaya in 2015 but were told the player had no intereest in moving to either side. More recently, Chelsea, Juventus, Manchester City and Real Madrid have all declared an interest in Gaya but Valencia are not looking to sell both Chelsea and Real Madrid made approaches this summer but thought the asking price way too high.}

21 Aug 2016 08:48:04
Need to fix that defence.

With Basle, that is 8 goals shipped in our last three meaningful games.

We have bought so many defenders who had or appear to have no real future at the club - Coates, Llori, Sakho, Moreno, etc.

We never got to grips with the defence in the Rodgers era. And things have not changed yet.

The very first things really effective coaches seem to do is fix goalkeeping and defensive weaknesses. Guardiola at City, Conte at Chelsea, for example.

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21 Aug 2016 11:04:37
Fair point tiger but I don't think pep has fixed city by bringing stones in! He's a long way away from being a great defender.


21 Aug 2016 12:48:40
It's the one area where I feel Klopp has disappointed. Irrespective of individual errors, our defensive organisation remains poor.

The other point is that we don't appear to be able to break down well organised defensive teams, like Burnley yesterday.


21 Aug 2016 08:44:05
Morning ed001

Do you expect anymore activity on outgoings before the window shuts please?

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

21 Aug 2016 09:19:07
names Ed please.


{Ed002's Note - Done to death - read the posts.}

21 Aug 2016 13:24:17
Balotelli, Ilori, Alberto, Wisdom and Leiva will leave on permanent moves.

Brannagan, Randall, Awoniyi and Markovic will be loaned out (Markovic to Portugal with a view to buy, although the club would rather sell him now) .

Awoniyi has to go out to get a work permit, he is already training with Nijmegen and has passed a medical.

When the window closes therefore, by either accident or design, we will have 12 out on loan, 12 will have left our U21 or first team squad for a fee and 12 will have left for no fee.

It's almost as though there is a plan!


21 Aug 2016 08:11:20
Yesterday showed what we where missing last season and what we missed without mane.

Players who are looking to run in behind the defence.

I questioned wijnaldum because we are over loaded with midfield players, IMO we could lose lallana and firminho and look for a player with speed similar to mane.

An attacking midfield of coutinho, mane and someone similar would be awesome.

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21 Aug 2016 09:36:29
It's a bit more complicated than just running in behind, if they sit deepthere isn't space to get behind hence sturridge kept dropping deep to collect the ball. I felt we just needed to be a bit more direct, we played a little too much like Arsenal- flaffed around with the ball around the box too much. Only second game, I'm sure we'll improve.


21 Aug 2016 10:13:38
Exactly

With players looking to run in behind we can play more direct.

firminho, coutinho and Lallana all like the ball into feet.


21 Aug 2016 10:40:10
We missed mane yday need someone as cover.


21 Aug 2016 12:16:04
You don't need to be fast to run in behind. Higuain and Costa score loads of goals with runs in behind. Running in behind is about movement and desire. Not just being fast. Sturridge is lightning quick, yet he rarely makes any runs in behind. He always comes looking for the ball in to feet!


21 Aug 2016 07:57:32
Yesterday makes you wonder what is happening at the club. If yesterday doesn't highlight the need for a dynamic DM and a LB then nothing does. Formation and its occupants were all over the show. Hopefully we get some more players in and also we can give a good showing in the League Cup. Onwards.

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21 Aug 2016 10:02:39
We need someone like Gary Medal or Lars Bender for the DM role as it was crystal clear yesterday as for LB that's a hard one as our key target was Chilwell who has since signed a new deal so unless Klopp has a change of mind and decides to pay the £10M asking price than i'd give it to Joe Gomez with Moreno and Milner as back up as he looked very good when played there even if its only a short term solution.


21 Aug 2016 10:41:39
Been saying that all summer. We are so weak in midfield it's unreal.


21 Aug 2016 13:08:41
Mk I hope I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure sturridge has lost his lightening pace.
Either that or he's scared to use it for fear of injury. origi to displace him soon I feel.


21 Aug 2016 07:40:23
Can't believe some of the fans on here, last week we were world beaters and now we are relegation candidates. Loads of teams haven't performed well, early season is always difficult, players and still gelling, and fitness levels are all differing and it takes time to get it right, you just have to hope we can get more good results than bad while we are getting into our rhythm.
Question for the eds though after first two games, what do you think our strongest midfield should be, I know it could change each week depending on opposition but just feel lallana, wijnaldum and Henderson doesn't balance that well really regardless of opposition, I think it should be lallana or wijnaldum and other players coming in with Henderson.

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{Ed001's Note - neither Wijnaldum nor Lallana should be anywhere near the midfield right now. Wijnaldum has not settled in and Lallana is simply not good enough. Can has his weaknesses but he is the better option right now. Personally I am more inclined to think our major problem is the defence. Not one player looks good enough to be the long term option. The two goals we conceded were, in big part, down to them. They were simply not good enough yesterday nor last week. I know our keeper is hopeless and has come nowhere near making a save, but yesterday he should not have needed to. The defence should have seen out both of the attacks they scored from, Lovren and Klavan do not look a good pairing, especially against pace.}

21 Aug 2016 08:09:10
Do we even have a midfield and defense? It seems like the midfield and defense get involved in every attack.
Its good to play a high line, but when you get caught out so often on the break, something needs to be done.
We have good attacking players. Or do we just look good on attack because all 10 players seem to attack at once?
Can and Grujic maybe a better option, a midfield 2 that can start an attack, and even run into the oposition box at times. But still hold their line/ positions at other times.
And does our full backs need to always be in the opositions half? Its like we playing just 2 defenders, and not that good ones at that.


21 Aug 2016 08:55:12
Ed that's all well and good but it doesn't address the problems in My estimates are unreliable. where we lack steel and creativity. Henderson unfortunately was never and will never be good enough. don't know why you rate him so highly. Lacks composure in front of goal and slows down our play because his first instinct is always to go back or sideways.

We need a defensive midfielder who can both break up play and initiate attacks a la Alonso.


{Ed001's Note - the fact you said that about Alonso just shows how little you know the game. Alonso is not, never has been and never will be a defensive midfielder, despite what Football Manager says. Hendo can create, he is very creative, but he needs movement in front of him to pick out. There was none yesterday. He does lack composure in front of goal, that can't be denied, but the rest was nonsense.}

21 Aug 2016 10:44:40
Agree Redmist, Hendo's offers nothing, how on earth Ed001's says Hendo is creative I don't know, he obviously see's things no one does, the FACT is Hendo creates NOTHING, it's always sideways or backwards, he should NEVER be our captain, I rate Stewart, Branagan, and the young lad we got from Arsenal as better players.

When Hendo was out last season we were a far better team, will be interesting when everyone is fit what Klopp's first team start will be, for me Hendo may make the bench.


{Ed001's Note - The fact you disagree makes me more sure I am right.}

21 Aug 2016 10:45:45
Ed01 is bang on I said a while ago I really didn't think our defenders were good enough. Maybe sakho but he seems to have messed up . Hopefully matip will be good enough. But we did and do need better quality defenders and gk.


21 Aug 2016 11:09:22
Ed001's The very fact that many other supporters don't rate Hendo and believe that he offers nothing makes me think we cannot all be wrong. Maybe just maybe in time the penny will drop, will certainly keep an eye on his performances.


{Ed001's Note - if you want to live your life following the herd, with no original thought in your head, you carry on. I will judge for myself, rather than listen to the kind of people that were on Carragher's back for years, then moved on to Lucas and now the cretins are on Hendo's back.}

21 Aug 2016 11:45:26
Can't believe Hendo gets so much stick. He's our best box to box midfielder hands down. Expecting a top season from el capitano.


21 Aug 2016 13:11:59
So if the majority of the people who understand very little of football think that Hendo is not good enough, then he is definitely not good enough? The logic is unbeatable.


21 Aug 2016 14:13:25
I don't understand the hate for Lallana. His work rate and defending are top notch. If he can bang in 10 goals and 10 assists what more do people want.


{Ed001's Note - his defending is awful, constantly wrong side and too lightweight in the challenge. He won't get 10 goals and 10 assists sadly, because he is too slow to move the ball on. It is always an extra couple of touches, then a Cruyff turn, then another couple of touches, by then the momentum has gone and he then makes the pass. He is just not a good player for our style.}

21 Aug 2016 06:59:38
Ed, I have been reading this site for at least ten years. I have jumped on at least once a day to see what was happening with the club I love and talk with people who shared my passion. I have got to say that I will not be reading any posts other than the ones you post because it is embarrassing the things being said the past few years.

Every signing is bashed, we call for the head of our captain, we insult our manager into the ground, we scrutinize every dollar spent by our owners. We lost one game and everyone acts like it is the end of the season. We have a lot of work to do but constant negativity, bashing, and downright disrespecting everything about the club goes against everything it used to stand for. I became a Liverpool supporter because their motto ynwa. Lately it seems like that only applies when we win and it is convenient. I am sorry you have to read all this trash every day and many of the "fans" on this sight should be ashamed.

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{Ed001's Note - people just no longer take a deep breath and think about things. It is all knee jerk reactions. If only people took the time to look back at the history of the club, they might be a bit calmer and give it a bit more time before making decisions. The start of the season is always the time for odd results, such as Hull getting two wins in a row. It means nothing. The season is 38 games, not two.}

21 Aug 2016 08:15:09
With all due respect, I think our performances in the last few years, gives fans a right to critisize. I do agree that some seem to over do it.
But yesterdays loss was a kick in the face. Let's take away the 2 goals they scored (it happened against the run of play, we dominated and had most of the posesion, and we all know we have a problem in defense), but we could not score against them!
That to me, was the biggest issue. If they hadn't scored, we would have still had a 0-0 draw! With our so called quality attack.
We will concede goals, yes. It is early in the season, so our fitness isn't up yet, our defense can still be shaky. But we should be able to score at least 1 goal against a newly promoted side.


21 Aug 2016 06:33:24
Always the danger of playing a newly promoted side away from home in the first few games. They still have confidence from previous season. If we had played them at there place later in the season I'm sure the outcome would have been different.

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21 Aug 2016 06:21:12
F@c£ me there's some drama queens on here! The result is unbelievably disappointing but try not to look so ridiculous with your over reactions.

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20 Aug 2016 21:31:27
Ed1, please would you share your thoughts in today's game (if you haven't already)?

Is it me or does this sort of result typify Liverpool in the premier league years?

Still support them through thick or thin mind.

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{Ed001's Note - well it does typify Liverpool's issues playing against well organised teams that sit deep yes. That is simply a lack of quality and patience. They were excellent, but everyone here is too busy slagging off Henderson to actually take the time and look at what they did so well that got them the win. They pressed us high to get the ball back in dangerous areas and were direct once on it - the tactics Klopp used to like to employ and that some people have been suggesting are outdated worked excellently for them. Also they were extremely well drilled, there were no lunges at the ball from the side or behind, when they turned over the ball, their first thought was to get goalside before making any challenge. Forcing us to have to make something happen as they had bodies back. That is exactly what Henderson does so well, unfortunately we have nobody else on the team with the intelligence to do that. Oh and Klavan has shown why he was available for such a low price, he is hopeless against pace, clearly. He was all over the place yesterday and has no understanding with Lovren.}

21 Aug 2016 08:42:12
Thank you for the in depth reply Ed. How would you address things with the current squad? Would you bring Can and Sakho back in? Also, do you think that Klopp is perhaps being tactically naive? Surely he doesn't think he can play 4-1-4-1 against every team?
I don't know why everyone hates Henderson. Possibly it's because he didn't cost £30m?


{Ed001's Note - for me I would address it by looking to hold the full backs longer, have them making late runs to support attacks, rather than being the focal point of them. I would drop Lallana, he offers nothing but ball retention, which is useless unless you are ahead. He is only of use to play as a sub to hold onto a lead. Origi has to lead the line when fit. Firmino, Mane (when fit) and Coutinho behind him. Hendo alongside Can/Stewart/Grujic. Wijnaldum and Lallana are cover for the three behind Origi. Sturridge as cover for Origi, along with Ings.

The defence is the problem, Klavan has no partnership with Lovren and struggles with pace. If we are going to play a high line, then we need pace at the back, so it has to be Matip alongside Sakho. We really need Karius back as well, Mignolet never even got near the shots yesterday, despite supposedly being a 'good shotstopper' according to so many posters on here. A good shotstopper would have seen us concede at least one less goal per game in the last two games.

As for Hendo, he doesn't do fancy flicks and tricks, so doesn't look good on MOTD, plus he committed the cardinal sin of replacing Gerrard as captain.}

21 Aug 2016 14:54:51
Ed1 for me hendo is a top player. Your right re carra lucas and more ' fans on their back then - suddenly- they are heros! Most of the time we look a far better team with hendo in.


{Ed001's Note - he doesn't do the things that look good on youtube or MOTD so will never get the love. Sammy Lee used to get stick in the past for the same reasons. Bit before my time, but a discussion regarding Sammy Lee's coaching badges brought this up. One of the older generation of Liverpool men was telling me about the abuse he used to take and he was always the target, no matter how well he played, if the team failed to win. It seems to have just passed on from one player to the next, that there is just one scapegoat for each side.}

21 Aug 2016 01:10:33
We had 80% possession and 15 (at least) more shots. They had two shots on target and two goals? Disappointing result but no need to panic it's the second game of the season. Another day with the exact same statistics we win 4-0. Off day in the attack, coupled by a couple defensive mistakes and well taken chances by burnley. Poo poo happens. Next week we'll be better.

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21 Aug 2016 02:04:07
Agreed. I think Dalglish used to say this "we need a wee bit of luck". And maybe that was exactly needed last night, only that we didn't have this. Plus, I thought Burnley were very disciplined in defending. Ours, urgh! I was fuming when they scored the 2nd. Klavan was trying to cover a vast area on the left, when Milner was happily running back slowly to cover his.

Oh yeah. I liked the glimpses I saw of Grujic. He seems neat and tidy.


21 Aug 2016 02:19:59
Not sure if the system or the eds changed it to poo poo, but I love it.


21 Aug 2016 03:09:29
Almost as if we played a three man defence.


21 Aug 2016 03:43:08
Normally I love positive posts like this but the problem was a lot more severe than needing a wee bit of luck. I don't remember the game being one where we peppered their goal with shots only to be denied by the woodwork and a keeper having a worldie. We had 80% possession but struggled to do anything meaningful with it. We had 15 or more shots than them but I can only recall a couple on target. Our defence were beaten too easily and our attack was toothless, whereas our midfield can pride themselves on the number of 10 yard passes they completed but little else.
My glass is still half full as i don't think we will see that kind of dire football too often this season but no-one is going to convince me that display was anything but abysmal .


{Ed001's Note - we had something like 25 shots and I think hit the target once, that has to be a concern.}

21 Aug 2016 04:47:26
Amen Manahawkin.


21 Aug 2016 05:22:30
Quality is a concern, but with Sturridge completely fit, mane in, and firmino not playing as bad as his man bun looks, we win this game. For Coutinho, he has these games we should all be used to it, several shots and none on target, all worth it for the magic he shows most games.

Bad display but again, compare that to us vs watford last year? They absolutely took it to us and we were no match. Burnley on the other hand had a game plan and executed, credit to them but not season defining for either team.


21 Aug 2016 10:14:40
Burnlet were extremely comfortable and happy of Liverpool having the ball. They knew we ll pass square ways and sideways without any threat.


21 Aug 2016 00:18:24
Coutinho is a great player but if liverpool aren't going to play a defensive midfielder or holding midfielder he needs to be tracking runs like defours.

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21 Aug 2016 02:29:54
Or at least have more shots on target. He had more than few chances today to have a shot on goal or provide an assist all his balls were way high.


21 Aug 2016 03:46:26
Coutinho is our best player when on form but he was awful against Burnley: poor ball control, over-hit passes and shabby shooting. He will be cringing if he watches the replay of his performance.


21 Aug 2016 10:17:21
He has no option to find the little pockets behind the defenders, hence he shoots from outside for a goal. Burnley had 11 men behind the ball and we have no plan B other than pass to Coutinho.


21 Aug 2016 11:43:46
and also when he normally scores his trademark outside of the box goals with his right foot on the left side, he has a little more space than in the Burnley game. Burnley was very disciplined in getting bodies goalside and forcing him to rush his shots.
All credit to them. We didn't help our case by losing an early goal which allowed them sit goalside the whole match.


 
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