Liverpool Banter Archive December 21 2011
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21 Dec 2011 23:55:07
KD made a massive mistake in the summer in signing downing, overated not skillfull and since october has looked like he hasnt got a clue what to do in the final third, IMO he is p**s poor. He should have tryed his hardest to sign adam jonhson, that kid has got it all. Once again ripped off for an overated medioka english player!
The money is spent. It's done. You can choose to support whatever team plays with a Liver bird on their shirt or you can moan and whinge like a p***y
cozinoz
21 Dec 2011 23:47:26
Thought we missed lucas tonight, Adam and Henderson both got forward leaving space in front of the back where Gomez, Moses and Diame exposed at times. We look great against better opposition, what is it with 'smaller' teams?? So frustrating at times
' thought we missed lucas tonight' regular Einstein you are!
21 Dec 2011 23:39:02
we bought the lad from uraguay suarez suarez
he wears king kennys old shirt suarez suarez
hes not a rascist dont you know
he only wants to play football
luis suarez liverpools
cant think of the last bit help anyone
gee man
Id probably call it a day at that mate
Dont give up your day job,gee man.
In the words of Blackadder: It started off poorly, it was pretty feeble in the middle and the less said about the ending the better
Liverpools number 7
give him a chance
he just needs a glance
he'll bite your arm off
Suarez Suarez
he'll take on the turn
and smash the ball home
Suarez Suarez
please please
LUIS
Yours isnt even in tune properly....
^^ Then he hits the woodwork.....again!
21 Dec 2011 23:27:39
Tonight was a disaster, we play far to narrow and don't have the players with the pace and zip to get away with it. Downing and kuyt were all over the place and looked like they were in slow motion! We either change the way we play to suit the team or change the players.
Red grand
"A disaster"? Jog on Red grand.
Change the way we play or change the players? It would be much easier for you to change the team you support.
Rigsby.
That will never happen! I believe we are making progress but you can't try and play like barca with our squad and beat teams like Wigan, fulam etc. Top 4 is a long way off.
Red grand
Play like "Barca"? Kennys trying to implement the 70's and 80's style of football the LIVERPOOL WAY start supporting the team you miserable sod and give kenny the time he needs , it will be well worth the wait.
Tom.
Tom, i think thats kind of the problem. Its now 2011, not the 70's and 80's. someone needs to tell kenny that football has evolved a little bit since then. Kenny was never the right choice for modern day football.
Steve
Your right steve, pass and move football a la liverpool in the 80's and now barca never works, route one all the way!
How about getting players to use all the pitch and create space for people like suarez to shine! All we do is run the ball into the box and hit a wall of defenders!
21 Dec 2011 23:27:21
ok not great tonight. enrique was our best player, class act. we kept another clean sheet. we have 30 pts. two home games next, we need to win them both. then 36pts, repeat this in second half of season , 72pts cl football is back.
suarez looks a bit tierd so now is carrolls chance, i would like to see him with bellemy up front with steve g and downing out wide.
B o H
He really looked like he was putting in real effort. It was like Enrique against Wigan at times.
MIKEY
21 Dec 2011 23:25:37
It's bloody hard work being a Liverpool fan at times. So much potential, solid back 4, brilliant keeper, brilliant youth team coming through, new stadium on the way...but just nothing happening in front of goal. It'll be a waste if we go and spend 20-25 million for a defensive midfielder to replace Lucas for the rest of the season. That money needs to go for a finisher and a creative midfielder. Comolli needs to pull another Suarez out of somewhere fast.
-Shane.
At this rate Charlie Comolli will be pulling his p45
21 Dec 2011 23:24:54
I feel so bad for Suarez, he's constantly boo'ed for his 'diving' and now he's allegedly racist, it wouldnt suprise me if he gets fed up of english football, lets just keep behind him and hope the appeal gets somewhere.
Y.N.W.A Luis :)
I said this last week, I also think any appeal will be fruitless, my reasons are; Paul Golding QC who works from the Blackstone chambers is the FA appeal boards chairman, having just found Surez guilty can he go back on that judgement,the answer is no, incidently I believe his college Adam Lewis acted on behalf of the FA getting Wayne Rooneys ban reduced. Paul Golding QC is a qualified FA coach, The media connot understand why Liverpool supporters are shouting conspiracy!!!. I believe that the FA gave the panel an agenda and that was find Surez guilty at all cost....Bobbinred
21 Dec 2011 23:24:33
Would just like to say how glad I was to see the attitude our no.7 had before during and after the game tonight. Seems like a guy who genuinely loves the kopites and the support that the club are loading on him! Ynwa!
21 Dec 2011 23:19:45
Our major problem is that teams coming to Anfield know that if they are not too adventurous they will more than likely leave with a point. Unless we solve the creativity problem and find someone who knows where the goal is then we have no hope of finishing in the top four.
21 Dec 2011 23:15:38
My post to skysports that will be ignored for obvious reasons
Skysports headline ''Suarez fails to shine'' I'm sure there was another 21 players on the pitch tonight? Why does it boil down to him? I'll tell you, Witch hunt. No doubt this wont be posted as Sky Spurs United is the most bias channel on the T.V but unfortunately has the monopoly on our football. Sure the Greek channels are calling me, I'd probably get more sense out of their commentators.
5times*****
Havnt you had enough time in the headlines the last few days?
Haven't you learnt to sign off your posts yet? or is that the first lesson when you go back to school in January?
5times*****
21 Dec 2011 23:12:52
Compare our results v Norwich,S'land,Swansea,Fulham,Wigan,with you know who.Sadly were still that bit short!
It seems to happen every year mate. We can beat the very best teams and even play them off the field but then fail to beat the mighty wigan. It's the difference between a solid top 4 place and 5th or 6th.
MIKEY
21 Dec 2011 23:09:16
Unlucky boys.Suarez looks jaded,is it any wonder?!Downing noy consistant even within a game.Needs to do more.Blase,sloppy passing at times.Again were back to shouldve,couldve.We are playing much better football.But were turning into Arsenal=overplaying,complicating things.Too many touches,and through eye of needle. I thought Wigan strung men accross area,and did well doing so.they pushed out,and harried us.Therefore we shouldve altered our approach,and sooner!Got width insteadve playing infront.To be fair leftside tried.but johnson gave ball away tonight 4 times,and they broke on us.And Downing let us down with service/set pieces.Im not a fan of Carrol,but wouldve brought him on insteadve Shelvey,and instructed widemen to hit him,with others supporting for pieces.Cos we werent sorting final ball through their defence.We so so desperately need an out and out goalscorer aswell.
21 Dec 2011 23:07:45
I don't see too much to complain about. Good effort by the team as a whole - I don't see how anyone can moan that were not trying. Wigan really put the effort in second half and we looked a bit jaded but still the players worked their socks off.
Charlie certainly had an off day, Dirk is looking more like his best days are behind him and Luis wasnt getting the rub of the green (not for the first time this week). But, no-one can say the team wasn't trying hard.
Real positives in watching our full-backs on fire; Hendo and Jonjo looked solid; and Andy looking good for the 7 mins he was on.
Not happy with 0-0 but you can only ask that the players put in a solid shift which they did.
Still on course for Top 4. Or did you expect us to win the league this year (and sack Dalglish and sell all his signings if we dont)?
cozinoz
Good post, nice and realistic. I agree with most of it but just one thing - Is it just me that thinks Enrique takes a chance once too often when bringing the ball out from the back? I always panic!
It was a good effort from the lads today and although the result isn't what we we're looking for, as you say we can't knock the players spirit, determination and dedication.
Chris
Yeah, gotta agree with the post above. and charlie adam looks jaded more than poor this evening to me, having played every game it's no surprise. have to complain like most posts on here this evening but mine is about the state of the pitch, DW stadium cut up like a rugby pitch(no surprise!) and didn't help our cause. also, wigan players played out of their skins tonight and moses played like a man possibly in the shop window.......
one complaint, kenny sticks with his back 4 which you can only shake his hand in regards too. i hope he recognises he shouldn't have changed a winning side from sunday. was one of rafa's fault, tinkering when there is no need. it wasn't broke so it shouldn't have been fixed. no one jump on the band wagon and start slagging me as i want kenny in charge more than most, just sometimes a settled 11 would be nice to see.
little stat for you all being negative. if we win next 2 we will be on 36pts at half way, that type of form would take us to 72 points at the end of season. champions league qualifying statistics?! very much so.
food for thought lfc fans and moaners
s.p
21 Dec 2011 23:05:24
Tell you what, when other teams fans need a laugh, they must come on here and read our top 4 talk!!
Shhhh, Mr Hodgson, your on the wrong page
Thats why I come on here lol
Breeno
I reckon they come on here to read everything. Don't know what is worse, the people on this who are in total denial or the people who throw up stupid stuff like change the players
Its better than VIZ on here!
21 Dec 2011 23:02:03
Another game we should have won but did'nt
largely because of yet another penalty miss...
- The one constant trait of luck is that
sooner or later it changes - YNWA.
I just made that one up, not bad for someone
just off to bed. Goodnight.
RedAce.
4 out of 5 penalty misses this year. 19 shots against the woodwork. And opposition's keepers playing blinders at Anfield. These are not excuses as we should still be putting chances away.....but at some point we have to admit that the footballing Gods have decided this isn't going to be our season.
cozinoz
You can either rely on footballing gods or luck and hope that you win. OR you can play better than everyone and guarantee a win regardless of luck.
There's been 2 or 3 games this year when we've played a lot better than the opposition and not won. Any manager will tell you that luck is vital to achieve anything - ManU are the biggest example of that.
cozinoz
Over egging the luck bit.You make your own,One mans bad luck,is anothers poor finishing
21 Dec 2011 22:53:51
Surely Kuyt and Glen Johnson must be cashed in on now while we can still get some sort of decent fees for them? Liverpool are sixth and will stay sixth for a reason, far behind the rest in my opinion in terms of quality and the general balance of the team. What gets me is that we all know we need a striker, a prolific experienced striker who will get us the goals we need. So why then are we taking a gamble by signing a young Luuk de Jong who has underwhelmed me in what I have seen of him, lacks pace and does not look prolific? Is it to merely convert him into a hard grafting right winger like Kuyt? If this is our future strategy and mentality I am really worried. We will only be consolidating our position as the sixth best team in the league. Furthermore, if Sissoko is seen as Stevie's long term replacement then I worry about the thinking of guys like Comolli.
Steve Kean.
Your on on the right track
Yeah, why are we gambling on Luuk de Jong when he obviously underwhelms steve kean? When will Dalglish and Commolli stop thinking they know anything about football and start listening to Steve?
Luuk de Jong is a hell of a lot more prolific than any of our strikers. 30 games, 16 goals and 15 assists. Compare that to the records of our strikers. Underwhelming sums up our strikers, not Luuk de Jong.
Steve
In what league does Luuk de Jong play?
He seems to have little pace and his positional is not in the best class either!
Says it all really?
21 Dec 2011 22:51:17
Is Suso too young to get a run out? or Sterling
Yes, probably
There both a little away from the first team
If they're good enough, they're old enough.. No doubt they have the talent but with them being so young I don't think they have the maturity or right level of physical development to cope in the Premier League yet. Maybe a few cameos, then we'll see them regularly in a couple of years
Thanks
Chris
I think Suso would have got battered by the likes of Moses and Rodellega today. Imagine him up against Terry, Vidic and De Jong.
Atleast suso oozes class unlike downing n carrol.
Indian Buzzer
21 Dec 2011 22:50:07
Steve Kean will be in his job a bit longer if we play like that on Boxing Day.
Really was disappointing.It seemed like we thought we could win it at a canter,but it was obvious early on we were gonna cock it up again.I felt Carroll should have been given more time,personally i'd have started him.
Midfield was awful.One of them needs to be diciplined & hold back,we were leaving gaping holes for Wigan to break into.
Glen didnt seem interested,Charlie had a bad day,Dirk looks to have run his race & Downing needs to find his Villa form again.
I now wish we had a winter break!
Taj
21 Dec 2011 22:48:03
Honestly, sometimes visiting this website makes me think most of us Liverpool fans have schizophrenia. A win and our players are world beaters, a draw and slightly lackluster performance and half of the squad needs to be shipped out, it's diabolical! We're called supporters for a reason, to h*cking support! Really gets on my case when everyone starts moaning. It's one performance, and we played really well in the first 25 minutes, should've killed the game off then really. A pretty average penalty from Adam, granted; but these things happen.
I guarantee if we win against Blackburn you'll all be hailing Kenny as the messiah again and saying Downing and Henderson are the future of the club. Can we please think rationally - we are still a club in transition, it normally takes more than one season to bed a number of players into a squad. Kenny and the coaching staff, as well as our players are doing a good job and we're back on the right track.
I care about our results as I want us to be back in the Champions League, but I care more about supporting and loving the club, regardless of results. Honestly think to yourselves for a minute, if we we're ever relegated to a lower league, would you still wear the liverbird with pride? If not, you probably shouldn't be posting here and shouldn't call yourself a Liverpool Football Club supporter.
Most of us love the club and everyone is entitled to an opinion but the over exaggerating of every result does get frustrating.
Support the club through everything, and in time, us fans will help the team deliver what we all crave - silverware.
Chris
Spot on
"You shouldn't been posting here if your a Liverpool supporter"
Well why are you posting here then? The harsh truth is Kuyt doesn't cut the chase and we need a clinical finisher. Suarez is world class but you can't rely on him to score you goals every game, same with Kuyt, same with Carroll. If your a real football fan you will recognise these things, I'm a massive supporter of the club but if we want to finish in the top 4 then we need a clinical finisher and players which can more to offer than the likes of Kuyt.
This thing of people saying you should support the clun/players/manager whatever happens is just silly.
All the people saying this should think back to whether or not they support Hicks and Gillet when they were the owners of liverpool. According to your philosphy of not criticising anything or anyone liverpool related then you should not have criticised H&G... and we all know you did.
I'm posting here because I support the club. I know that we need a more clinical finisher, and I'm aware that there is a lot that we can improve on. All I'm saying is that it really shouldn't matter if we don't play a fantastic game one week. Please don't insult my passion or intelligence by questioning if I'm a real fan. Yeah I was annoyed at the full time whistle but I think we did enough to win the game.
I think some of us need to be a bit more realistic with our aspirations this season. It's a shame we don't seem to finish the so called lower teams off but we've had this problem for a few seasons now. Give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Chris
Not once did I say don't criticise, if a player or someone at our club has done something wrong, as supporters we should definitely let them know. It's just that most people go completely overboard and its stupid. I'm just trying to see the bigger picture, rather than look at one inferior result.
Chris
I think you'll find it's about supporting the TEAM through thick and thin - they're the ones out there battling.
cozinoz
Fair enough. Fair play chris I concede to your point. I think criticism is fine as long as its constructive.
"if you don't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win" - Bill Shankley
No problem to the unnamed poster - I"m glad you agree. We wouldn't be real fans if we didn't speak our mind, I just wish people would support through the bad times as well as the good. Looking forward to the next game and hopefully a more positive mood on this forum.
Thanks
Chris
Ok as for being realistic where will pool finish this season for the realistic fans if we are supposed to be happy with 5th or 6th this season then do 1 utter failure in my opinion
Hopefully we'll finish fourth. I don't think we really have the squad to compete any higher with the two Manchester clubs. It's gonna be a scrap between us, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham for third and fourth. We'll see. I know I'll support the club if we don't finish top four though - will you?
Chris
Realistically we can get in the Champions League. It is achievable and it will make for a successful season. Might even get the League cup and the FA cup too. That might stop you whinging like a spoilt kid.
cozinoz
21 Dec 2011 22:47:42
And some clown said on here we dont need a striker!Weve needed one regardless of Suarez issue
Yes we would all like 25 goal a season striker but not that easy to find.Think the difference between us and top teams is they have goals all over the pitch.It is not just down to whoever plays striker.
True but look at goals scored column lad.And then leauges top scorers.Yes specialised,hard to get them.But every side has a fulcrum in top footy rush,aldo,hunt,st john,law,rooney,van persie=get it??
You dont say!
21 Dec 2011 22:47:08
ahhhh,grrrrrr...that sums up the whole week,
after starting so well it had that bitter feeling & thats how it turned out...could of been worse but we kept pushing for the goal & thats the change in attitude that i think weve all been crying out for in seasons past,are the players trying to be a bit too intricate at times?at 2,3 nil fine but at 0-0...
maybe 2 or 3 changes for the blacburn game to freshen the team up & go for the big vain in the neck
COME ON REDMEN!!
Bang on
21 Dec 2011 22:45:26
After tonight I am not convinced enough with a few of our players. These are Downing, Kuyt. Downing is supposed to be whipping the ball into the box but he hardly does anything on the left, enrique does all the work. We need a winger, adam johnson comes to mind. We also need a striker since we are going to be missing suarez for a bit. Good oppurtunity for Carroll but we can't rely on him. I don't care who we sign up front, just as long as he is a clinical finisher. Kuyt also is not good enough, he's getting old and has nothing to offer us any more, we need raw young talent.
A.Johnson does the exact same thing as downing, always cutting back, never crossing. He is just a bit better at it. Ifyou want crosses in the box then dont buy Johnson
Dowing, Kuyt, & Adam just not good enough!
We need the Main Man back
Roll on Boxing day!
Just one bad game? What about the result against fulham, stoke, Swansea and Norwich? We can outplay and beat the top teams but manage to drop points against the so-called Lower teams!
Unfortunately the truth is that I'm all the games we have dropped points against, we should have won but missed numerous chances to kill them off (look at the draws against both Manc clubs, Swansea and Norwich - we outplayed them but still come out with a draw!).
Def need another top quality striker to forge a devastating partnership with Suarez.
Red Legend 01
Yeap well said
21 Dec 2011 22:42:32
That performance right there is the reason we won't finish in the top 4 it pains me to say it but look what utd just did to Fulham they dominate the game and win 5 nil we go there dominate the game and lose. On a different note I would like to see Suarez on the bench next game and let Carroll start not because Suarez is playing badly but because he's looking tired and I think the whole situation he's in is getting to him he didn't look the same tonight plus carroll keeps getting slated but he's not getting a proper run of games i think the lad will come good in the end just give him the chance and the least said about kuyt the better.
Mat lfc
Downing and Kuyt have been dire for Liverpool. No wonder nothing is going Carrolls way, we bought Downing to prove for Carroll and he hasn't done anything. Just face the fact that Kuyt is not good enough to play for a massive club like Liverpool. We need world class players if we are to finish in the top4.
21 Dec 2011 22:38:30
Well done Wigan completely stifled us. Nothing against Glen Johnson but those are the chances that the mancs WILL tuck away and walk out with a 1 nil victory. Suarez was desperate to take the penalty and it should have been him ( called a miss as soon as Adam stepped up) we are desperate for another striker nice to see Carroll but 3 minutes isn't enough but he battled for those three minutes. Desperate for pace an trickery out wide. But as I said at the beginning well done Wigan got what they wanted and that's all a football team can do. Still a season too early (and a significant investment needed) before well start reaping the full rewards for the kings return. 5th or 6th is not wanted but is an improvement on last season and if we can add the league or fa cup then a successful season it will be from where we were 12 months ago. I expect more but let's just back our squad.
DJJAZZYJEFF
21 Dec 2011 22:22:47
Eds when can we expect gerrard back?? {Ed002's Note - Sooner rather than later.}
21 Dec 2011 22:36:06
Very poor performance imo. We can't say we were unlucky this time.
We were guilty of giving the ball away too easy throughh-out, mainly Adam, Maxi, Downing and Kuyt.
We had no-one making any space for the team or looking to play ground balls behind the back four of wigan to create some decent opportunities, and Maxi, Kuyt and Downing were guilty of slowing down the pace of our play.
Adam and Downing have yet to convince me they're good enough.
Whoever said Adams crosses were worth 10m should have gone to specsavers, because he can't cross his legs and his passing is wasteful at times.
We have no attacking spark in midfield that makes things happen. EG - Linking up play with the forwards and getting themselves into good positions - We are missing that and an out & out wing man. In fact tonight we had no-one getting themselves into good positions.
Why play Suarez up top on his own? It doesn't work. We need to buy another striker who plays on the shoulders of the last defender and play 2 up front - like we used to.
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
Bit unfair I think. Adam has been good for the last 7-10 games or so 2 goals and 4 assists makes him one of our most productive players.
Had an off game today but he is excused for me because he cant be amazing every game.
Rewflo
Kennys too negative to play two upfront, why pay 35m for Carroll and not play him? i think Kenny has realised Carroll is not good enough.
Josh
Adam is average, he looked better when playing for Blackpool (below average), sure wasn't Shelvey playing great for Blackpool. rest my case
21 Dec 2011 22:35:16
my team for blackburn:
----------------reina-----------------
-kelly----skrtel-agger--enrique-------
--------henderson-shelvey------------
-downing-----------------bellamy-------
-----------suarez-carroll-------
bench:doni/carra/coates/johnson/gerrard/adam/kuyt
DORSET RED
21 Dec 2011 22:35:00
That was an off night for nearly everyone. Had a few things gone our way, then we could have ground out a victory. We just need that little bit extra to come away with a 1-0 win rather than a draw.
We're so close to being there, and I think if we just add another striker in january we will be fine. We just need 3-4 quality strikers to rotate and play whoever is in form at that moment. I'm sure Dalglish and Comolli will sign a great player who will ensure we're in the top four at the end of the season.
It is frustrating not to come away with 3 points, but our goal is top four and that is still within reach. We just need to put away those games in the future.
Thanks!
CSeiling
21 Dec 2011 22:31:46
What Liverpool need to do is to accept the punishment given to Suarez.....Play him for the 14 day period of appeal and then rest him for the next 8 games..He has been playing non stop since 2008-09 season and needs rest (apart from the 'bite' ban)..The battles if they choose to fight will be long and in nobody's interest....
I dont for a moment believe he is racist but FA have made an example of him against Blatter's racism comments....I am absolutely sure that this will be a landmark judgement which will return to bite the FA because they have opened a can of worms here.....
What I am confused is "What is stopping them from conducting their own 'independent' inquiry when it comes to John terry" ?......They can always do that
For weeks it has been said that Maxi should have been in the side...... Well today he was in the side and didnt make a difference.......
The problem was that there was a big gap between the defence and the midfield when we attacked and both hendo and adams would swim forward when in possession........Wigan took advantage of that using Moses and Gomez in between them to pick passes and shoot.......They were playing an effective 3-4-3
Adam looked tired and had no legs today......Suarez looked unsettled........I would be worried if I was Dalglish
Gerrard is needed back and we are slowly starting to miss Lucas as well.......
From the buying point of view we should go for a support striker (Nilmar/Rossi kind) and a creative attacking midfielder (Eriksen/Shakiri/Hazard kind)....Germany is not a bad place to scout too.....But I hope they dont go Italy......
Lets see what King Kenny and Comolli have in store for us.......
LiverBird
It will be de jong or bent. Dont think kenny or commoli like too many flair players. They like hard working players with no talent at the club.
Indian Buzzer
21 Dec 2011 22:36:28
Cant quite believe how many chances we create and pass us by.Is it bad luck or poor finishing surely things will change but another very dissapointing night.Also think carrol needs more time to make an impression wont do his confidence any good not sure where kenny going with this,looks to me like he has lost faith.Maybe he is trying to wind him up to get a response.
21 Dec 2011 22:30:29
if we dont get a decent striker in jan we will be lucky to stay in top half.absolute shocker.all these players saying to play for us is a dream.they just dont play i dont want to sound negative towards the lads but we spent good money on them to do a good job for us in return.i cant see top 4 this season yet again.the flare as gone and dream is dying its time for a change now or we will have to put up with more of this boring to watch tatics.please can this curse on our club be lifted.YNWA
You sound negative towards the lads
cozinoz
21 Dec 2011 22:27:39
tut tut tut these are the games we should be wining if we want to be in the champions league. poor performance that. got to say the centre of the park for us tonight was dire. far to close to the defence hendersons reading of the game so slow chashing shadows allnight. adam again sloppy allnight. some parts of our play frustrating to watch nomerous times tonight the ball was on through the middle yet every time it goes wide slowing the attack down and the chance is gone, then the ball gets crossed and headed away (why must the ball go wide before it goes in the box?) we need to play the ball faster.
Adam was brutal and should never have been bought!
Moan moan moan
21 Dec 2011 22:24:52
Adam not good enough and we need a goalscorer asap,the only real problem is not finishing but now looks like we are the outsiders of 3 chasing fourth place.
We need to move heaven and earth to find the right man to put the ball in the net but if no money available why not give Adam Morgan a chance,we certainly create enough chances and he has that knack of scoring goals.He has to be a better finisher than anyone else at the club.
Come on Kenny we can still sort this out we need you to work your magic.
Derek
21 Dec 2011 22:24:43
Finding it really difficult to control my anger and disappointment at that utter game of ****e.
Said for a while now;
downing is useless ,Kuyt I'm afraid has completely lost it, Enrique thinks he's messi every time he gets the ball and how you can miss a pen is beyond me, it's basic football!?!?
I think that the Suarez decision really proved to kill us today, whilst the fans were singing his song for the first 30 we were class, just (once again) couldn't finish and after that nothing.
Second half syndrome!
Bean
People complain when we hoof it... and then theres people like you enrique has been solid all season and how many times was he dispossessed when he ran?
It's not him losing possession, it's him getting into decent positions on the wing, then stopping the ball to turn around and run back or then lose possession
He is not the only player at the. Pub who thinks he is messi
21 Dec 2011 22:22:49
Redmick
You are totally wrong downing had a real good game tonight and all season has been creating chances but the strikers havnt always put them away. Maybe we just need a goal poacher and then downings crosses and passes will be converted. Plenty of times when Downing gets the ball there is nobody in the box to hit. But to call downing crap you are well out of order.
Mighty reds
What we are all basically saying downing has done nowt and 20 million what a flaming waste of money
Downing and Adam are too old, lets face it
Yeah time for Jonjo to retire too - he's past it
At 27 and 26 they are not old. how old did you think they were?
Too old at 21
21 Dec 2011 22:27:19
We've missed 4 penalties this season and hit the woodwork 17 times. This is not bad luck more a lack of players with the ability to finish. Downing provides no width, Henderson and Adam are not good enough and Johnson creates more chances for the opposition by giving the ball away when we ate over committed up the pitch. Only Enrique, Suarez and Kuyt come out of that game with real credit for their work rate alone. Agger, Skertel and Reina did ok. Squad not strong enough and a lack of width/creativity, aside from Luis who we all well know needs someone alongside him to finish off what he creates with his magic.
Disappointing night, seems like everything is conspiring against us at present. Oh how we miss Lucas Levia, we are wide open to counter attacks. All seems a downer just now (no pun intended Stuart) let's hope 3 points at home to Blackburn can get us going again - a frustrated and downbeat ALB - YNWA Luis Suarez
What game did you watch mate, Kuyt was terrible, no first touch and the passing ability of a hippo. As for Johnson, if it wasnt for him we would not have got forward down the right at all. Agree about Adam and Downing, we need Carroll on far earlier though.
21 Dec 2011 22:26:49
Yet again everyone moaning,yeah we didnt win but we are creating chances.Last season we were not.
We missed lucas today breaking up the play. Are luck in front of goal will change,stop whinging and get behind theeam and start acting like real liverpool supporters.
Ed do you have an update on gerrard and if hes going to be back for the blackburn game?cheers
Ynwa
Tommo
Whether you create chances and dont finsh or whether you dont create at all the end result is the same... no goals.
Its painfull to be a pool fan at the moment
21 Dec 2011 22:26:21
There's a reason why we don't score many, we need a fox in the box. Luis is fantastic but he can't do anything. I thought we were a bit flat tonight, no end product in final third.
You mean everything.....
21 Dec 2011 22:25:52
Whilst I still have faith in managerial abilities understand certain decisions.
After such a good display at the weekend why could we not start with the same line-up? After all, the confidence of all the players would have been high.
What is the point in putting on a striker (to replace our only striker on the field of play) with only 5 minutes to go- Come on Kenny give the lad at least 15 minutes.
Adam had his worst game in a Liverpool shirt and should be told by Kenny that it is just not good enough.
21 dec 2011 22:23:22
simple....we need a striker...how many coaching badges does it take to work that one out....and we need stevie g back....
Yet one lad on here constantly doesnt see it!Got to be Manc in disguise!
21 Dec 2011 22:23:14
Liverpool once again tie to a crappy team. We better sign someone good or else Europe league will be calling. Just can't compete with the likes of arsenal,Manchester teams and chelsea I mean for Christ sakes Blackburn have more goals than us.
So what? Youre a Liverpool fan arent you? Support them instaed of moaning
He aint moaning,hes stating fact
21 Dec 2011 22:24:26
is downing ment to be a winger and go past people with the ball?
21 Dec 2011 22:21:20
We are shooting our selves in the foot,another two points gone west because of poor finishing,feel sorry for Carroll to only get five minutes,I think we are lacking that little bit of class in front of goal,it is happening so often I cant see us getting that top 4 spot.
21 Dec 2011 22:20:39
yes another striker would be fantastic but we are crying out for a tricky attacking midfielder; a player who can unlock tight defences. Look who our rivals have:
Man u- Nani
Man city- Silva, Nasri
Spurs- Vdv
Chelsea- Mata
Arsenal- Gervinho
Liverpool- Stuart PREDICTABLE Downing
Suarez can't carry us forever! He's 2 steps ahead of the rest of our squad and he'll soon start getting annoyed if we can't keep up!
Fair play wigan
Adam needs a rest
21 Dec 2011 22:19:28
Do you think we really would fill 60'000 stadium week in week out .....
we have been average for 3 years now
Wrong page mate, go to Manchester
United rumours webpage and post on there.
Do ManUtd fill out their stadiums for all the games?
They didnt for the Crystal Palace loss and were thrown out of Carling Cup
LiverBird
Why iam a liverpool fan , its an honest question i think 55 is max you must be the typical liverpool fan oh the world is against us ,
Manchester United get 78000 every home game-oh yea they win games as well unlike loserpool
21 Dec 2011 22:14:35
Yet again the same story, if we convert our early pressure and chances into goals then we open up and likely control game. Such a frustrating night.
And if you turn down the gift of a penalty then you'll always struggle. Still support you reds but you don't half make things damn difficult for yourselves.
YNWA
D 2308
21 Dec 2011 22:14:35
Can someone also tell me how many wins/losses and the amount of goals suarez has scored when he has someone alongside him whether its carroll or kuyt.
lfc all day
21 Dec 2011 22:14:34
Kuyt might have missed some good chances there but there are some truly shocking stats that Suarez should look at while on the sidelines...
Luis Suarez (not including tonight)
Games 16
Goals 5
Assists 1
Shots 73
Shot conversion ratio - 6.84 %
Maybe its just me but for our number one striker and supposed star of our team to have such absoultely woeful stats is abysmal. He has time on the sidelines now to work on this and start shooting properly. People will point to his hits against the framework but they are just as useless as misses.
Just for furn heres our other strikers stats.
A.Carroll
Games - 14 (mainly as sub)
Goals - 2
Assists 0
Shots - 32
Conversion - 6.25%
C.Bellamy
Games - 10
Goals - 2
Assists - 2
Shots - 11
Conversion - 18.18%
D.Kuyt
Games 14
goals - 0
Assists - 1
Shots - 23
Conversion - 0%
Total for all strikers
goals - 9
assists - 4
Shots - 139
Conversion - 6.47%
truly absymal stats for 4 strikers.
Rewflo
You can't really argue against those facts can you.
RedSG
Man you must lead a pretty boring life, I bet you were last picked at the school kick-abouts
21 Dec 2011 22:14:27
Overall, we weren't that bad. Could have taken all 3 pts had Adam converted the penalty. Skrtel had a good game, my MOTM. As I said before, it's up to the players to step it up.
SingRed
21 Dec 2011 22:14:02
Am I still the only one who thinks Downing had a Shocker!!! Second game in a row, was debated that I was wrong at the weekend, but fair play to you stuart you proved me right tonight.
Yeah, he had another shocker. How many more chances is he gonna get. Just not happening for him. Adam has been off form for the last two matches as well.
-Shane.
21 Dec 2011 22:12:53
"if you don't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win" - Bill Shankley
we don't want to become a load of fair weather fans do we
Derry Red
we not fairweather fans but we expect them to do what they paid for. Downing, kuyt and maxi out
taffytel
I do support them and always will but we are shi** and kenny is my hero but get over that he is always write he makes some shocking team selections
Win lose or draw il be a pool fan but i will admit we are not good enough downing shocking as well as adam
21 Dec 2011 22:11:48
Anyone else think that unless we get ourselves a decent striker in January, then we can kiss our champions league ambitions goodbye!
We can't rely on Suarez every game, especially now he may serve potentially an 8 game ban, dependant on the results of appeal.
Bellamy is good but past his best, Carroll is not good enough and def not worth £35 million, more like £5 million, and kuyt isn't scoring either.
Surely the powers that be realise that we need to top quality goalscorer to play up front with Suarez.
There's a lot of rumours that Bent may be coming. Not sure if it's true but I would be happy as he is a proven goal scorer.
Do the eds of any other forwards that lfc are interested in to bring in in January?
Great jobs eds, love the site and Merry Xmas to all!
Please post on rumours page.
Red Legend 01
We should sign bobby zamora
Stop the sh$te about carroll transfer fee you fool. comment when the boy is the main striker and gets full games. how the hell is he supposed to win games with 4 mins left. you person really P me off. As for bellamy we look good when he plays. Im gutted about tonight but you picking on wrong players. We got supposed england winger in downing. don't make me laugh. I would honestly put myself against him. what a crock of Sh%%e.
taffytel
I thought you were buying that 20 year old striker, Rory Donnelly?
Disney!
Taffytel, the only fool is you and a blind fool at that. The point I'm making about Carroll is that he is sh!t! He has never been good enough to play for Liverpool, we bought him cos Torres handed in a transfer request with a day of the january transfer window remaining, otherwise it would have been torres and Suarez upfront.
There's also a reason why Carroll doesn't start - he ain't good enough. In every game he has played, it is clear that he hasn't got the skill an touch needed to be a top player. He hasn't got pace and looks very clumsy on the ball. He can head a ball (when he can get on the end of a cross) and has a bullet of a left foot shot - that is it. Peter crouch is a tall player and despite not being the paciest player, he was good in the air and had skill with the ball.
Bellamy is quality but he is past his best. I still like him a lot and he is player that can make a difference, but he has a quiet one tonight.
Adam kept giving the ball away but in previous games has been excellent.
Henderson is improving.
Shelvey came on and kept giving the ball away.
Our best player were Enrique, agger and skrtel. It's no wonder we ain't scoring when our defenders are the best players! But enrique without doubt shone head and shoulders above everyone!
So rather than calling people fools, keep your unconstructive comments to yourself and stop mugging yourself off, Taff!
Red Legend 01 {Ed001's Note - did you ever watch Crouch play? He was terrible in the air.}
21 Dec 2011 22:10:59
enough is enough stewart downing is crap i would gladly pay someone to take him. his performance's are dire along with kuyt they offer nothing to the cause.REDMICK
Spoken like a true fan. get rid of the muppet
taffytel
So glad he chose you guys over arsenal :)
21 Dec 2011 22:10:15
Played ok tonight not great. I thought hendo had another superb game. Really think he is going to be a top player. I also thought Downing had a good game and he does his job but its not his fault if the strikers are not putting the ball away but always creates chances. Maybe just lacked a cutting edge and seemed a bit unbalanced. But not a bads not work a point away from home and another clean sheet.
Wigan is just one of those grounds that we struggle and credit to wigan but lets look forward to Blackburn.
Mighty reds
What game were you watching. name me one good cross or corner downing did. absolute garbage.
taffytel
Were you looking at the same game mate downing was good pull the other one it has bells on it.redmick
I agree with the henderson bit, but downing..........
I dont know why Downing switched to the left side of midfield when we were clearly doing well......
After that swap with Maxi, Wigan not only come back into the game but almost ended up winning it.....
He seems to play better as an inverted winger...He is not a bad player and almost provides the same level (if not type) of value as Michael Carrick does to ManU......
LiverBird
LiverBird
21 Dec 2011 22:09:41
i know their young but i feel toni silva and sterling would of done very well tonight with coady in the middle instead of adam who needs a rest.maxi and kuyt shouldnt of started but carroll should of.whats the guy gotta do to get a game.he cant do much being played for 10mins.
-----------------reina------------------
--kelly---skrtel-----agger--enrique-----
-silva--henderson-coady----sterling----
--------------suarez-carroll----
i know its a risk but kenny needs to go for it its wigan not man city.DORSET RED
21 Dec 2011 22:09:30
If ever there was a game for Andy Carroll, this was it. The pitch did not allow us to play our usual quick passing game, so getting crosses into the box I thought could be the answer in the 2nd half. Kenny has brought him on for 5 mins in the last few games, which is not enough time for him - I think Kenny has lost confidence in him.
I've been harsh on Downing before and I will be again, there were numerous occasions where Johnson overlapped him creating space for Stewart to cut in onto his left foot and strike on goal, and he did nothing. He is clearly lacking in confidence, he's very neat and tidy in his own half and in the middle, but where he earns his corn on the wings he hasn't done it for me. For a winger he gives no widthby consistently cutting inside spending most of his time in the middle, its very frustrating.
Wigan deserved a point for the endeavour, but we should have won in the 1st half when we had chances.
The need for another striker and winger is for me becoming desperate.
RedSG
21 Dec 2011 22:09:13
sigh...the disapointment is really overwhelming me right now...nearly destroyd my remote...not a good result...and downing and kuyt must p off
Mate I have just knocked next door and asked if his cat was available for quick kick!
21 Dec 2011 22:06:42
im sorry but i rarely complain on this site but we seriously need to sort it out. Downing? what did he d in that match. Adam? it was just one of his bad days he'll get over it.
, because i feel he gets very isolated im sure kuyt played up front with him last season?
lfc all day
21 Dec 2011 22:06:36
I thought Suarez handled himself with credit tonight. It could not have been easy for him and bet he has not slept since told about 8 match ban.
I certainly have not slept well.
Steve068
21 Dec 2011 22:06:33
I agree 100% with you, rewflo. The man utd's,city's,chelsea's,arsenal's dont worry me at all. Its the likes of wigan,stoke,fulham,etc that worry me and with good reason. At 1 point we were far ahead of arsenal in the league,who are now 2pts clear of us. A genuine striker and a tricky creative player in the january would be awesome. Munian(sp.) who plays for bilbao looks a great tricky player and adam johnson if possible would be perfect. At this point id even take torres *spit*
Capetownred
21 Dec 2011 22:06:13
We are still a work in progress and are liable to throw in bad performances every now and then and tonight was one of those.
I don't like how easy it is to get through our midfield and I don't if it just my eyes going but the massive 30 plus yard gaps between the defence, to the midfield, to the attack is astonishing. How are you suppose to pass and build attacks with such a space between, not to mention press and win the ball back.
Downing really has to up it though he has been pretty poor pretty much all season.
Credit to Wigan though I thought they done well.
Have to beat Blackburn next up now no excuses!
I think our defence has too much confidence in Reina
I dont like how easy it is for everyone to keep a clean sheet against us.
Rewflo
Rewflo that made me laugh!
Davey
Just one bad game? What about the result against fulham, stoke, Swansea and Norwich? We can outplay and beat the top teams but manage to drop points against the so-called Lower teams!
Unfortunately the truth is that I'm all the games we have dropped points against, we should have won but missed numerous chances to kill them off (look at the draws against both Manc clubs, Swansea and Norwich - we outplayed them but still come out with a draw!).
Def need another top quality striker to forge a devastating partnership with Suarez.
Red Legend 01
21 Dec 2011 22:06:09
Yet AGAIN ANOTHER INEPT performance,apart from johnsons chance we did not CREATE anything,a p-ss poor penalty by a p-ss poor player and yet AGAIN ANOTHER lowly team takes 2 points off us,EXACTLY THE SAME AS LAST SEASON,MORE CHANCE OF BLACKBURN finishing in the top 4,WRONG TACTICS and far too many bad performances,and also as I said after the villa game we DON.T close down like they did to us and we DON'T TACKLE,we watch and ADMIRE,ABSOLUTE DIRE
Alan50
Blackburns a bit far fetched......
21 Dec 2011 22:03:51
Is it just me or do we make goalkeepers look good?
Yes, as you dont give them much to do.
21 Dec 2011 22:03:47
Not a great performance but 4 points from our last two away games is not bad.
However, same old problem of not being able to open up poorer teams that get 10 men behind ball.
We need a couple of skillful players up front and a bit of more quality in middle.
We are getting there and next season we will be challenging if funding is provided by new owners to get that little extra quality that is needed to take us to next level.
Steve068
We are being left behind mate. Top 4 is looking unachievable
Are goal is top 4 and we are only 2 points away from that goal.
steve068
21 Dec 2011 22:02:40
Trust me guys we're one world class poacher from being a top side. Defensively solid, creating chances just lack composure in front of goal. If Carroll's not the one to score 20-25 goals a season, and given that he gets 5 minutes a game I guess KK doesn't think he is, we need to find one in the Jan transfer window. Unfortunately they are rarer than rocking horse droppings.
I think you must be deluded. as much as I love Liverpool the team is just not good enough. Adam gives the ball away all the time, kuyt weakens the team so much its like playing with a man down hes so slow. Not quite sure what downing brings as he hasn't done anything yet and henderson is absent all the time. Why oh why don't we play bellamy all the time. Why Do we have to change the side from previous successful weeks. Just find it all irritating when we start to look like we can progress this happens. Wigan are crap and other top teams would batter them but we clearly can't. Thank god we have reina.
21 Dec 2011 22:01:31
Missed Lucas tonight. Needed some energy and composure in the middle. We look tired too. Get Stevie fit Kenny!!
21 Dec 2011 22:01:29
hi ed bad result.do u think im right in saying enrique and johnson are better wingers than downing,he constantly playes the ball to them n lets them do all the work ,we still still need wingers and a striker,its like ground hog day with us ,
jeff
21 Dec 2011 22:01:01
sell downing-get shaqiri
sell hendo-get sissoko
sell shelvey-get ninis
sell carroll-get soldado
based on performances dis season
wafa
Hendo and Shelvey are doing alright.... Carroll doesnt even get games to prove himself!
Why Shelvey?
Hendo did okay tonight - Adam was shocking for me...
Adam downing and kuyt offered nothing
21 Dec 2011 22:00:50
Stating the obvious but it's crying out for gerrard to be included just a shame as one of our two world class players is returning the other is being unjustly taken away for 8 games ynwa
Kopman
21 Dec 2011 22:00:41
Is gerrard going to be back for Blackburn game
Thanks in advance x
21 Dec 2011 22:00:39
A frustrating night but credit to Wigan.
On the plus side we're still in touch with 4th place and another clean sheet. Just One of those nights.
Thought Henderson was full of running, didn't stop all night.
Lets hope C****a vs Spurs is a draw.
Matt S - YNWA
We shouldnt refer to it as just one of those nights because we have them so often that we should start referring to them as just a normal night.
21 Dec 2011 21:59:46
If we don't sign a striker in Jan I think I'm going to kill myself! And I'm talking about proper goal scorer that will have an instant impact not someone that will be good in 2/3 years time! *sigh* it's becoming very depressing to watch us
We need an whole new team nevermind one striker I don't think a single player in our team can score a goal as many chances as the new striker may have, our other players will have to score too
21 Dec 2011 21:59:28
Lacklustre display. Always been Kuyt fan however this season not sure if he got eye on move or just past it. As for maxi, shocking. People come on here and slate Carrol who have nt had decent cross to him all season and go on about transfer fee but IMO the only transfer i can see is a waste of time and money is Downing. WHAT HAS HE DONE. Woeful. He is not young nor one for the futurte, He is for the here and now. Don't know if he cant hack a big team but i expect more. Absolute garbage. As for bringing Andy on with 4 mins left. Stop insulting the boy or us. Get rid of Maxi, Kuyt and Downing.
Taffytel
21 Dec 2011 21:59:11
Dear dear dear - maybe shud have played in those t shirts - Utds treatment room stronger than that Lpool side
21 Dec 2011 21:58:59
the top teams show us how to score goals when you need to, why didnt charlie adam let suarez take the penalty he earned.RedTurk
Honestly do you only post when Liverpool haven't won a game? The last two games not a peep from you then we draw against Wigan and then bam you're back.
Maybe it's because Suarez put his last penalty into row Z while Adam scored his last penalty. He hit the target, that's all you can ask for really. If the keeper goes the right way that's the luck of the draw.
JRG
Wasnt a great penalty though was it. Slightly to the right? If youre going to place it then you have to place it right in the corners, if youre not going to place it you have to hammer it riise style. Dont do either of those and your penalty will be saved.
21 Dec 2011 21:58:56
I think kenny has no tactical knowledge no players in the box for corners he should be sacked we are never top 4 material. He wasted millions on average players.
Zant agree with sacking but whoever but have to agree with the signings. Shocking
taffytel
Were they ur millions?
LiverBird
21 Dec 2011 21:58:29
Poor performance. We are an average team at best, no need for any excuses.
Suarez and Reina are better off leaving to a club where they'll have a better chance of winning honours whilst we can continue to acquire even additional sub standard players.
Worst post of the day.
Completely agree with post. Reina certainly needs to be at club competing at highest level week in week out not battling for europa football
If he wants to win trophies should sign for utd then he can win the europa league lol
I think its a bit rich of us to continue mocking Manchester United 4 being in europa, when we ourselves cudnt beat a poor wigan team. KK has to take responsibility for wasting 55 million pounds on downing n carrol.
Indian Buzzer
21 Dec 2011 21:57:17
After spending so much we do not have a single player to convert penalty Eds please tell me we are going to buy a world class striker in Jan....
Gerrard will be back soon and will be are penalty taker.
21 Dec 2011 21:56:50
doesn't it tell kenny something that when bellamy dont play we dont play u are the king but come on sort it out
Bellamy cant play every game his knees cant take it...
21 Dec 2011 21:55:58
How does Kuyt still get games... i know he has been a great servant for us and he puts all his effort in and stuff but serious he just doesn't bring anything to the team.... at least Carroll has a few goals to his name this season and adds something different upfront for us.... all Kuyt does is give the ball away... 17 games without a goal for him now... getting a bit silly....
Not just Dirks fault , the whole team is very very avarage , no pace , Louis is a great flair player , but we need real pace Jordon is not ready Spearing is much better , kenny just need to play best team and worry about them getting tired when they do
21 Dec 2011 21:55:50
Absolutely annoyed me that game...we did not play well enough to win...first 25 mins played well then the whole team lost interest...
21 Dec 2011 21:55:26
i'm sorry but liverpool have been dire tonight, adam especially poor, add to that a wigan team who played quite good and so they should after a decent draw against chelsea. i don't know why they let adam take the penalty they should have let suarez take it and why o why do opposition keepers alway have blinders against us. we should have smashed them.
a very dissapointed huddz red
Its to much of a co-incidence that all keepers have blinders. The real point is we cant finish. we make them look bad. Shockin
taffytel
Agree with you there taffytel. Al Habsi didnt have a blinder, most of the shots were either too slow or too inaccurate to cause a problem tonight.
Rewflo
21 Dec 2011 21:54:53
Well that was inetviable
21 Dec 2011 21:53:10
I'm surprised at all the hate towards Kuyt here. Thought he did alright, worked hard as usual, had a few good opportunities. He was far from the worst player. For that award, Johnson, Downing and Adam would all be ahead of him.
Keith YNWA
Agree mate adam was useless then i thought he could make amends with the free kick at the end then bellamy stands up im begining to think lfc couldnt organise a pi.. up in a brewary i was a firm believer of us for fourth no way hosea
21 Dec 2011 21:51:13
Credit to Wigan, they have pressed us and been well organised. Think we have been below our best and given possession away far to easily, we need to pick ourselves up and perform better against the shall we say smaller teams, top four i hope but it will be a very hard road to get there.
21 Dec 2011 21:43:39
What a dire dire dire performance. Lacking in the ability to play against their system. Not to mention getting the ball in the net. Downing? Is he the same player of last year? Man we need 10 new strikers not one ;-p
S
Downing is lucky that people are obsessed with this £35million tag for Carrol. In my opion he is the biggest waste of money ever. He not young and already experienced. He should pick up where he left off due to his years of experience. I would honestly cut my losses on him and get rid. Cant handle a big team. I honestly think going by his form all year that he is garbage.
taffytel
21 Dec 2011 21:49:06
I consider uniteds team to be poorer than ours and yet they manage to finish most of the teams that we dont. Including tonight, I'm not buying the excuse that smaller teams motivate themself against us, they do the same against United and City but they pummel these crap teams.
The difference not that teams raise themself against us, its that we lower our performance against them. We will not be a top 4 team until this changes. Until we believe these teams are there to be beaten like united do.
Rewflo
Totally agree - we play a high-pressure and well structured game against top teams and take the foot off the pedal a bit against lower teams. I know we cant keep high pace up all season, but that is what a squad is for. Our tactics of relaxing a bit for these games is not working.
LIVERPRES
The best post ever...why..cos its pure fact and no-one here seems to realise that cos their a fan
oh well......
Mate, your the kind of supporter we could do without, why not try and support, all you do Is ruddy complain, try and understand the words " you'll never walk alone" if not go and support the team on a home game. I have the feeling you'll blend in ok. MUG
If you think manchester united's team is worse than liverpool's than you are very delusional.
CnM
Maybe we should play on a paper pitch
I didnt say anything offensive nor did i offer anything except constructive criticism.
Was what I said unfair? Did we pummel Wigan tonight like Utd did to Fulham? (yet another team we couldnt beat).
I'm not saying we are a dreadful team, only that we need to be better prepared mentally for the poorer teams. United beat these teams because they know 100% before they even step on the pitch that they are better. Doesnt seem like we do.
"Every battle is won before its ever fought" - Sun Tzu - The Art of War
Rewflo
I also dont only ever post when I want to criticise, that comment was a little unfair. I gave us plenty of praise after the city game.
Rewflo
21 Dec 2011 21:48:59
We need a flair player or 2 to break down these smaller sides.
Ash
Sorry mate we dont have them and we wont either chin up spearing is on his way back
LMAO at that comment
" spearing is coming back " made my night mate, needed cheering up after that poor display
LTP The Red
21 Dec 2011 21:48:10
one of the worst game ive seen.slow cumbersome and kuyt and maxi were rubbish.poor passing no end product its so frustrating.we need wingers who can take on players not cut in all the time.where is andy carroll he would love to play that cb partnership.sort it out.DORSET RED
21 Dec 2011 21:47:38
Here's a plan give your £35million striker 5 minutes at the end - yeah that'll work Kenny.
Why bother at all
Because if he puts the ball away, his confidence will grow and maybe the boo boys will lay off him.
Scouse Pride
21 Dec 2011 21:46:19
very very poor football after great 30 minute in 1st half. all of our player want to be messi rather then pass it. how a good team come very poor after 30 minute ? creative midfield we may dream it until die.
21 Dec 2011 21:45:31
As patient as i am,downing has been rubbish all night. No other way of putting it. Good call from kk to put shelvey on though. We need a body in midfield but we still look poor. Suarez has been awful as well. We miss good ol lucas.
Capetownred
Capetownred
Downing what a waste of space
21 Dec 2011 21:41:07
hey guys...........from a real fan
Hate to say it but.........liverpool fc......a GOOD team but will never be a top team as they fail to show up against the lesser teams.
FACT pure and simple............
its less stressful to support other smaller teams..atleast u know what your in for every season
lfc build up hope with their history..and then crap all over us as the season shows we never place any where decent in the league
Spot on,they disappoint me yet again
I agree but disappointment is something im accustomed to. we were missing was passion- when i watched arsenal play when they are only drawing even vermaelen is pounding forward for them. we bought young british talent for them to give passion when it was the south american who is the only one who seems to be giving it, along with bellamy(at times). We must improve with another player like suarez, everything he does is unexpected our passing and shooting is just too predictable i can always tell where a pass is going before it is even played. A game that the top teams would say is a guarented 3 points is wigan athletic- but in the end we were lucky to get a draw and the players seemed to settle for it. some of them need to buck-up therir ideas!
21 Dec 2011 21:40:28
Great cross from Enrique and no-one in the box - no wonder we can't score.
21 Dec 2011 21:40:16
This must be the most inconsistent liverpool side on history
21 Dec 2011 21:40:03
watching our club this season has been great- great football and at times suarez is mesmorizing.
In our team we have so much creativity, and in suarez the most creative premier league player.
It is a critical situation however that we are scoring so little. We are the most inefficient team in the leageu in relation to goals per chances created which is under 10% and when we get the ball in the box i am almost expecting us to duff it up.
My solution is to either buy a forward who can score, or an optician. I am dissappointed in carrol but he isnt a lost cause. we need someone who will make more of an impact whilst carrol is for the future.
IKWT
Derry Red
21 Dec 2011 21:39:57
Impressed by Wigan's workrate they have worked so hard and deserve at least a point.
21 Dec 2011 21:38:38
Passing is awful 2nd half
21 Dec 2011 21:32:58
we are an average team , and can't escape the facts
1-1 sunderland
1-1 Norwhich
0-0 Swanse
0-1 stoke
0-1 Fulham
will get beat tonight , forget all this we hit bar 21 times
long way off top 4 million years of champions
Not over yet mate. Although I do somewhat agree about the standard of the team.
-Shane.
Rubbish tactics from kenny
Agree , Kenny has always been my hero but bellermy and jonjo should have started wit jordon on bench
I doubt an average side could get in the top 6
4 points from those 6 games are a joke.we r a long way away from top 4.so many players just didnt perform tonight.
21 Dec 2011 21:31:56
If KK has a weakness it's his approach to substitutions why wait until the 70th minute in every game? The best managers make changes when they're needed not when they're planned.
I agree. Fortune favours the bold according to Alexander the Great. Mourinho made a substitution in the first half once when things werent working.
I think 50-60 mins is the best time for second half subs.
No escaping one simple fact... we seriously lack a clinical finisher. Like I have said before, put any of our last 5 good strikers in this team tonight and we would be 2 nil up at least. Old Torres, Fowler, Rush, Owen, Collymore would all have finished the chances that we have squandered.
Put soldado in our team tonight, I think we wouldve cruised to an easy win.
Rewflo
21 Dec 2011 21:31:20
i seriously hope that if we draw/lose this game nobody from LFC comes out and blames the Luis incident for it.
That would undo all the good work that the club has done in the last 2 days.
S.G.L.
Good work ? You're havin a laff
21 Dec 2011 21:31:03
Please, please, please someone tell me that Kuyt is leaving this window.
21 Dec 2011 21:28:28
Kuyt get him gone, totally rubbish
Now a bit harse considering the service he has given the club but i agree, perhaps it is time he moved along- luuk de jong will be a good replacement for him
21 Dec 2011 21:26:07
Leat the ref hasnt been against us today.
21 Dec 2011 21:25:46
Do we have anyone who can score a goal? FIVE penalties awarded FOUR MISSED!!! Bring on the kids for goodness sake
DM
Why not morgan. Can someone please give me a reason why we are not giving the lad a chance.
kopfiend 1978
21 Dec 2011 21:20:22
Liverpool's season in a nutshell, good approach play, no end product. If KK doesn't sign a "fox in the box" then 4th place is little more than a pipe dream.
21 Dec 2011 21:19:28
Bloody 'eck we're struggling big time here. Will be delighted if we can struggle to a 1-0. Need a finisher pronto.
-Shane.
21 Dec 2011 21:17:13
Maxi is ineffective tonight and stops every flowing move that comes to his feet. Downing has been invisible and needs to get in the game more.
I'd switch kuyt for Carroll and push him up front with Suarez changing to a 442 keep maxi and Downing out wide.
Sure Kenny knows what he's doing though.
Rewflo
21 Dec 2011 21:15:48
Johnson looks lazy today, and is maxi even playing ?
21 Dec 2011 21:13:43
What a pleasure to listen to Matt Le Tissier tonight talking so much sense compared to rat boy.
Derek
21 Dec 2011 21:11:30
I knew charlie would miss the penalty.
Rewflo
I knew he would too
Me too, my young nephew even said he dosen't look confident, in fact there was even a grunt out of the dog!
21 Dec 2011 21:11:29
i am a fan
but i hate to admit this....but i knew he would miss
damn
21 dec 2011 21:00:59
brilliant for 25mins awful for next 20 if we dont sort out midfield battle or charge the odd shot down we gonna get beat here,hoping carroll comes on grabs the winner and kick starts his season
niko
21 Dec 2011 21:00:03
Come on Luis, get that 20,000 goal. How much would that annoy the FA?
21 Dec 2011 20:58:40
Moses has had a stormer, he would be good cheap option for a wing or behind suarez. Someone tell kenny
21 Dec 2011 20:58:09
Adam + Johnson woeful, get Kelly + Jonjo on
Alan50
21 Dec 2011 20:55:54
Jesus its frustrating watching Liverpool!! Where's Adams left foot gone? Looking tired last 10. Bellars, jonjo and carra on my bet sharpish
Gazman
21 Dec 2011 20:53:17
I would of thought shelvey would of started this one.
Let's hope we don't fail against another team we should be destroying. Gerrard is needed back for these games where we need a leader.
MIKEY
21 Dec 2011 20:50:03
pffffffffffffff
RUBBISH first half...............way too open infront of the back 4...........hendo or adam should talk and 1 should be there to stop the runners when liverpool attacks
also..for godsake...score the bloody chances!!!
Missing lucas
21 Dec 2011 20:54:31
Adam needs to be dragged off, he's gonna end up costing us a goal! Giving the ball away and every set piece he goes near is shocking! We are being caught out between mid and defence! Dubred
Yes, not his best game this season...
maka YNWA JFT96
21 Dec 2011 20:48:56
Christian Walsh article on the LFC website - fantastic and totally agree!
www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/luis-suarez-the-fan-view
The Goatherder
JFT96
21 Dec 2011 20:41:48
awe is there any other team in the league who is as unefficient as we are- i can't beleive we havent scored yet... well eds goal in the second half ?
21 Dec 2011 20:47:19
Watching this game its hard to see why so many people were shouting for LFC to sign McCarthy and Wickham. I think Kenny knows what hes doing.
Wickham plays for Sunderland.
I despair.
KT
21 Dec 2011 20:46:58
Maxi and kuyt off, Carroll and Bellamy on. Nuff said
Or downing hes having a shocker
21 Dec 2011 20:43:50
Is it just me or do Johnson and Skrtel look very shaky?
Keith YNWA
21 Dec 2011 20:43:25
What is with liverpool today keep giving the ball away, defence looks poor and getting exposed in cm on the counter....cummonn Liverpool show us your normal self...
21 Dec 2011 20:42:22
I love Dirk Kuyt, but we've gotta stop putting him on the pitch. He can't pass to save his life, and all the running can't hide that.
21 Dec 2011 20:41:51
Maxi and Kuyt totally off today,bring on shelvey and Caroll..
21 Dec 2011 20:40:35
Hi eds,
Am I correct in my assumption that if we appeal and fail the ban is likely to result in an extension?
rewflo {Ed002's Note - It is possible bur unlikely.}
Would I also be correct in saying the purpose for extension whe appeals fail is stop frivalous appealing?
Also on the match they have just stated that Suarez has said he will appeal.
Rewflo
Nice french reference to butter there ed but slightly random? LOOOOOL
21 Dec 2011 20:39:46
Charlie Adam really needs to up his game second half - giving far too many balls away
cozinoz
21 Dec 2011 20:38:44
I didn't realise that Johnson was that slow, or was he against Ed Moses? A few too many pasties I think.
21 Dec 2011 20:34:57
Does anyone rate victor moses of Wigan? He seems strong, quick, young, can beat a man and seems to find a pass well.....lack of goals maybe due to playing for an average club
Torres has a lack of goals due to playing at an average club
21 Dec 2011 20:13:43
That's juz great.
You guys know wat's the worse terry get's if the courts found guilty?
No jail, maximum of 2.5k fine.
And suarez gets 8 match ban n 40k fine??
Please, somebody, sue the FA!
It's a disgrace. A freaking, shameful, hypocritical, useless, inept, insipid, preposterous, unbelievable, absolute disgrace.
If that's how 'capable' the FA is, no wonder England has won nothing since '66.
Singapore Red {Ed002's Note - Your ignorance of the matter is truly astounding. How many times does it need to be explained today?}
21 Dec 2011 20:04:00
The Real KB, I used to like ur posts but what u said about suarez, I can't agree with.
Rooney kicks smbody intentionally, get!s a red and a 3 match ban, and the FA thinks it's too harsh.
Then they charge suarez for racism, drops the 'racist' bit due to lack of evidence, and gives him 8 match ban for 'misconduct'?
What did suarez do during the manu game that warrants a misconduct charge that carries an 8 match ban?
Surely everybody can see the hypocrisy?
I'm personally not too bothered by the ban. If he is guilty of an offence, go ahead and ban him. Juz make sure the same rules apply to everybody.
And if suarez does get banned, it would be a great chance for other players to step up.
If we don't achieve our targets because we lost a key player for 8 games, maybe we don't deserve to.
But if we do, it juz shows what a great club we are, what a gd team we have, and what a great job kenny is doing.
Suarez has my support simply because of the injustice and hypocrisy I perceive.
But the bulk of my support is for LFC, regardless of anything.
The best way for the club and suarez to respond is to win tonite n win well. Preferably w suarez getting a goal or 3.
Come on you Reds!
You'll never walk alone regardless of what evra or the FA says.
Singapore Red
Singapore Red, please understand my post. There is hypocrisy is Suarez' treatment and it is harsh. But my point is he shouldn't have put the club in this position in the ****ing first place !
There's a million and one things you can say to an opponent to wind him up without it referring to that. And I repeat, not racist. Stupid. The publicity alone has damaged the club mate. If we were on the stock exchange, several million quid would have been wiped off in an instant with this.
The Real KB
21 Dec 2011 20:06:00
He's Luis Suarez and he will nutmeg who he wants. Every game he does it. YNWA Luis
cozinoz
Ive noticed he seems to need a panna a game. Maradona was the master I think Luis is trying to nick the title.
Rewflo
21 Dec 2011 20:03:10
news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16237980.stm -
An interview with Rory Donnelly - with some clips of him in action. He seems humble and recognises the importance of hard work. We are the frontrunners to sign him atm. A big dude for his age - and he seems to have no shortage of skill either!
Enjoy. (dodgy defending at times... you'd swear it was the premiership - apart from LFC of course!)
BJH YNWA.
ps. They're not Brazil they're Norn Ireland! But Georgie the Belfast boy wasn't bad. They're due a world class talent in the North. He could be a Kenny masterstroke!
Rory donnelly plays for cliftonville so am i don't think he'll appreciate you comparing him with ni and he will proboly switch allegiances to the republic if he feels hes good enough
21 Dec 2011 20:00:37
For those who talk of Suarez' experience with the racism issue in Holland, we need to remember that racist chants are commonplace in Europe from fans- Spain is particularly bad, but it is a part of the football landscape in most countries.
The UK is way ahead of Europe in stamping out racism, including Holland. We have an absolute zero-tolerance policy, including racism from fans.
So it was no surprise that Sepp Blatter's recent gaffes about racism were only headline news in the UK, where sensitivity to racism is high. Elsewhere in Europe they were barely considered newsworthy.
It is a good thing that we don't tolerate racism, but it can be a bit of a surprise for foreign nationals to discover how strict the situation is here in relation to any comments that relate to racial origin, and I am absolutely convinced that Suarez did not realise just how offensively his remarks would be taken in the UK.
Which of us could say that in the heat and intensity of a game, with a player from a fierce rival calling you a derogatory racist name referring to your home continent (Evra allegedly called him a 'Sudaca'), you might not forget just how strict the rules were in your new country, and might perhaps revert to your own country's cultural norms? The man can barely speak English, and we expect him to understand a sensitive area of our culture?
Evra was far more aware of racism in the UK and its implications than Suarez was- which is why Evra, in calling Suarez a sudaca, had far more racist intent in his mind than Suarez did when he responded with the word negrito.
It is Evra who is the racist, not Suarez, and I stand 100% behind our player, as I hope all fans do.
Suarez' name will be tarnished with this horrible slur of racism, and he will get endless taunts from other fans, because of Evra and this posse of FA appointees who were set only on the FAs political agenda.
Which of us would want to go through that kind of experience that Suarez probably will at away grounds?
He is guilty of coming from a country where the different races are comfortable with their surface difference, and where they get on well together, and where people can use racial references without it being automatically a serious issue.
He is guilty of coming from a country where they don't have a major racist history as we do in Europe.
I'm ashamed that my country is so intolerant of other cultures, and that it could show so little understanding and sympathy towards an honorable man who has come thousands of miles to entertain us with his magnificent and exciting footballing skills, and earn his living here.
Sepp Blatter probably set his FA underlings on the case and demanded a harsh penalty specifically because of his own gaffes about racism a few weeks ago.
Should Suarez suffer a witch hunt because this power-mad old man wants to prove that he won't tolerate racism, after already proving by his words that he does tolerate it?
Suarez should simply have been warned that his remarks were far more serious than he realised they were.
21 Dec 2011 19:53:34
I spoke to a blackburn fan earlier who said (and genuinely believed it) that the FA are purposely helping keep Keane in his job because the whole FA has never wanted Blackburn in the premier league. I thought that he was a seriously deluded and paranoid idiot.
Then I came on here today and saw all the silly conspiracy theories...and people agreeing with them. We are starting to sound silly now. We are often referred to as very knowledgable fans, we dont sound like that. We sound like that blackburn fan. We should stop all the complaining now and just do what a respectable fan would do. Show that it doesnt affect our great club and get on with the rest of our season, retain some of our pride instead of descending into ridiculous theories of Fergie controlling the whole country.
3-0 for us tonight with Carroll to score in the second half.
Rewflo
21 Dec 2011 19:53:18
Although the decision that has been made is shocking, awful and unfortunate.
It also has a posotive effect in some ways.
It will make luis realise what type of club we are. He will see the passion and love of the fans, community and the whole of the backroom staff. He will love the club even more and bring the team even closer together.
I thought of this as soon as i seen the warm up, the white t-shirts all with suarez on. Lovely to see.
PS, i would like to see Darren Bent at lfc as he is a prolific goal scorer
LTP The Red
21 Dec 2011 19:50:50
Anyone got an update on stevie?
What i wanna see tonight is luis to score and a celebration involving the whole team #support
Did anyone see the blackburn game? i was quite impressed with Junior Hoilet, thought he looked good considering the team hes playing in!
@kop_bailey
So was I, Junior Hoillet looks like he's going to be a top player and I would be pleased to see him at Liverpool.
maka
21 Dec 2011 19:41:31
All the players are warming up in Suarez No7 shirts at the DW
Nice one lads
Paul the red
Nice one thats what i love about liverpool we know how to suck it to them, we support suarez and im glad kenny is there as manager to back him.RedTurk
Much as I love Kenny, I think the t shirts are ill-advised and counter-productive. Leaves FA with no room for manoevre and no chance to reduce the ban. They cannot be seen to bow to pressure like this. This is not the Liverpool way
The issue has backed Kenny into a corner mate. He's there to bond and manage the players. What does he now do ? The only thing he can, use it as us against the world.
The Real KB
21 Dec 2011 19:40:48
The sad shower just can't stop digging that hole can they ? Team and manager in Suarez tee shirts - bet they're glad it's not a school nite - now I've seen it all
No mate i've seen worse, Eric Cantona kicking a fan, and drug test dogging. And managers hitting players in the face with football boots, aswell as players on the side line sticking fingers up at previous players. Now thats class, all the best.
KNEE JERK
This is what a "proper" club does for their players, supports them!
Er, knee jerk, I think you mean 'dodging' don't you? The word 'dogging' means something completely different.
Redjinal
Lol predictive text, all the best.
KNEE JERK
21 Dec 2011 19:37:57
Sorry if it's been asked before but if Terry is charged by the police does that mean he can't get charged by the FA?
King luis {Ed002's Note - No.}
So he can get fined 20 grand by the law but doesn't have to miss any matches {Ed002's Note - It seems to be completely hopeless explaining the situation. Why don't you read the posts.}
Thanks for the response
King Luis
21 Dec 2011 19:34:29
People have come on this site accusing Liverpool fans of being intellectually challenged' and clowns' well in our defense here are my thoughts that I think is balanced in regard to the Suarez claims.
Do I think Suarez is in the wrong, Yes do I think Evra is in the wrong? Well based on his admissions, yes. But wrong of what is the long term question and racism, in my opinion, is not the answer here I'm afraid more foolishness on Suarez's behalf.
Do I think the Media witch hunt will probably ruin a 24 year olds promising football career yes.
Have the FA thought about that? NO
Did Evra think about that? No
Did Mr Ferguson? (Would he care if it hurt Liverpool) You wait until Mr Ferguson gets on the TV and watch the Master manipulator of the media at work
So, how did the FA convict Suarez when nobody other than Evra heard the comment? Simple, Suarez testified that he used the terms on the understanding that this is not a racist term in his country/culture. He incriminated himself by telling the truth. If he had simply said 'I did not racially abuse Evra' then there is no evidence, no charge, no conviction and then no media witch hunt!
Here are some things written in the media today: (only a snapshot)
1. Liverpool's Suarez banned for racial abuse (ABS-CBN)
2. Luis Suárez's racism ban (Guardian)
3. Liverpool's Luis Suarez has been handed an eight-match ban and a £40,000 fine by the Football Association after being found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra (bbc)
So, what do the people and organization think who are in the middle of all this?
Does Evra think Suarez is racist? Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.
Does the the FA thin he racist? In their opening remarks they accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.
What about Lord Ouseley Chair of the Kick it out campaign? He said and I quote No-one is saying he's a racist - he's probably a very nice guy
Do the MEDIA think Suarez is racist whatever sells papers and news stories, and by the way if we ruin a lad's career who made a mistake then anyone got Suraez's mobile phone voice mail to hack?
Look at the media headlines so far listen to Talksport radio
Was it improper for Suarez to use this term... yes, but does it make him a racist as the Media bandwagon are making him out to be - in my opinion - NO!
I am a Liverpool fan and I feel that the inquest should have found a verdict of guilty because you can't do anything else with the basic facts but then used some grey matter and took the opportunity to highlight to clubs and players that there will be no' excuses for cultural differences in the future. Education is the key in this regard. They should have made this point clear!
Instead they use this opportunity to set an example so what will they do with their own, John Terry who deliberately if I can read carefully used incredibly offensive racial comments. If they don't charge Terry with a minimum of the same punishment and show consistency then I think there is a serious problem with integrity. If not careful the FA will open a can of worms so big, even I, an intellectually challenged clown could take them to European court and argue my point! : - )
Jones (YNWA)
Excellent post
5times*****
21 Dec 2011 19:23:41
ED, is Rory Donnelly the Irish lad Macca is talking abt ? {Ed002's Note - I don't know, sorry.}
Yes it is ed001 said it earlier
Square tomato
21 Dec 2011 19:19:54
I am very disappointed with the fans' reaction on here to Suarez. His misconduct is beyond doubt, regardless of whether it's racist or not.
The guy has dumped the club into the mire, neck deep.
Bob the Red, I'm a great admirer of your posts but your latest is way off the mark for me. There's no conspiracy, Suarez admitted what he said.
Ed001 you've managed to contradict yourself. You said that Evra called Suarez a very offensive name. Whilst Suarez retorted with a cultural word of endearment ?
I don't think. They were obviously both bang at each others case.
Fair enough, charge Evra too. But two wrongs don't make a right.
I have to say that Ed002 has called this one dead right. Suarez' ignorance defence had no legs. He is not racist, but stupid. And that stupidity is compounded by his Fulham shenanigans.
For me, he has to cut it out and keep his nose clean. He's a brilliant player but he needs to stick to that.
If he can't, we should get shot.
Take your heads out of the sand. The club always comes first. And Suarez has damaged it.
The Real KB
At last a Liverpool fan who has some sense.
CT13
Real KB I'm sort of with you but I'm also sort of with Bob I think the reality is somewhere in the middle and I agree with you that Ed002 has called it about right. I just hope we can put this behind us soon and move forward without any further issues
Chris in Tamworth
"The club always comes first".
Is that the same club who are fully behind, defend and support our lad?
I agree he should clean up his act a little bit, but IF he did use the term "Negrito", then you have to understand the cultural difference and admit he was mistaken.
He's NOT a racist! Get behind him like the club have.
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
Thank you Chris for some perspective. It's not the Suarez show we're running. The club has international owners (again as Ed002 pointed out) who may be trying to raise investment - stadium anyone ? - and backers over the world. What does this nonsense look like ? Sponsorship deals etc etc. The guy has been stupid. End of. The club can't come out of it in any positive light Chris. If we appeal, what sort of message does it send out ? Even if we did get 2/3 games reduced, he'll get them added for Fulham. Nonsense.
The Real KB
Read my post again Chipkin. I never said he was racist. Stupid though. And that stupidity has damaged the club. You cannot dispute it.
The Real KB
Sorry ed, pressed the post button during last reply to the real kb post.
What I was saying was that it may be term that is accepted in certain parts of the world but surely luis realises that you simply cannot refer to someone by there skin colour without controversey. I can think of another certain word starting with "n" that is widely used by several different groups around the world as a friendily reference to each other, however, no one ( well other than John terry) would dare to say this word in the open world. It is simply not acceptable.
I will back the team and luis and believe Circs alone should say that 8 game ban is to much but luis should no better, we now will be without one of our star men for them games.
Andy the red
Stupid & Honest Real KB. He could have lied & got away with it. His defence was that he wasn't aware how offensive his comment was in this country. If he did maybe he would have lied.
I have no doubt that the FA were looking for their pound of flesh. Blatters silly comments shortly after & Rio Ferdinands Twitter rants at Blatter & stating that racism is still part of footballing society all had an affect. The FA panel had to be seen to be acting. Suarez punishment was severe at 8 matches.
The Irish Rover
It is harsh Irish Rover mate. But that is not my point. I will repeat again - Suarez has damaged the club. I will back the guy and give him another chance. But any more serious mess ups (ie non-football if you like) and that's it for me.
But stupid is as stupid does mate.
The Real KB
21 Dec 2011 19:19:17
I posted on this site last night that Terry would be prosecuted and found not guilty, and therefore not face FA charges. I never expected the charges to be brought the next day after they hung their scapegoat. Watch, Terry will get off , dodgy jury, press prejudiced his trial , police mess up , they will think of something. When I seen this happen today I thought what a corrupt world we live in. All the media saying Luis was guilty of a racism charge yet I didn't see that in the FA statement. However, I watched the interview on LFCtv last night Kenny gave in October and thought yes this is why I am a Liverpool supporter and how apt these view words are now for Luis :
When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark
Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone
The player admitted it, and yes evra should have been banned to, but there is backing a player for his skill etc but you have to face the fact that there is no place for racism in the english game and all forms of it should be stamped out. Get over yourselves.
Exactly what I think will happen with Terry too
Chris in Tamworth
21 Dec 2011 19:18:32
Liverpool players issue joint response. Get in now let's batter this lot tonight and everyone else. As one players, manager and fans. To he'll with everyone else! Come on ED cheer up it's Christmas.
ENded
You sound like a Millwall fan.. nobody likes us we dont care bs. Suarez is a class player, and the club should take the punishment, fighting it makes it look like you support his comments. End of
21 Dec 2011 19:18:08
Gonna have another punt on a 3-0 LFC victory tonight. Suarez obviously has to be first goalscorer. Might even back him to bag all 3!!
Viva El Pistolero!
Coxy82
The 20,000th Premier League goal could be scored tonight (only 11 more needed) and the scorer gets £20,000 to donate to a charity of choice.
Let's hope Luis gets that goal.
Midsred
21 Dec 2011 19:16:55
With reff to John Terry and his fine, ed, I'm confused how can one instance be a fine and one a ban and a fine/ I'm confused lol {Ed002's Note - You are confusing an FA charge with a criminal charge. There is no FA charge for Terry at this point. I would expect that once the criminal issue is settled the FA will charge him later in the year. Subject to being found guilty, he would then likely be given a ban and a further fine.}
21 Dec 2011 19:14:00
Suarez starts, LETS AVE IT!!
Come on Liverpool.
The A man
21 Dec 2011 19:13:02
Come on liverpool tonight,im expectong 3-0 win for us and carroll grabbing a couple.Come on you reds!
YNWA
Tommo
21 Dec 2011 19:11:08
Hello Eds,
are there any chances that either Skrtel of Agger will leave in January (or in the summer)?
greetings from Poland, all the best for X-mas
tom {Ed002's Note - I would not of thought either will be leaving in January and the summer is still a long way off still.}
21 Dec 2011 19:08:33
Did I just hear right John Terry max fine £2500? Is that it? {Ed002's Note - What would you expect? Jail?}
Yes please :-)
Well a ban as fines are hardly going to make them poor {Ed002's Note - The criminal system has no means of banning a player. These are entirely separate issues. After the criminal case has been dealt with, I have no doubt that the FA will bring charges against Terry. As a result of those charges and if found guilty, then I would expect that he will be punished with a ban and a fine.}
I would except a hell of a lot more than 2500 quid, how about an 8 match ban and a £40 000 fine ed?
maka {Ed002's Note - You seem to also be struggling to graps the difference between a criminal charge and an FA charge.}
So let me get this straight, if John Terry is found not guilty by the police he will not face a charge from the FA?
Gazza {Ed002's Note - No. They are entirely separate issues.}
Sorry ed, I've seen my mistake, but do you think he will recieve a large punishment from the FA?
maka {Ed002's Note - It is too early to say. He has to be charged and found guilty first. There is no way to know what the punishment may be.}
21 Dec 2011 19:05:40
Nothing to do with LFC, but there were rumours that Bon Jovi had died of a heart attack. I guess the greatest gift he got this year was life!
Rafa's Purple Goatie
He's fine
Square tomato
It was a fake report he is alive
red-raj
21 Dec 2011 19:04:42
Any links for the match tonight on a PC? Thanks {Ed002's Note - www.firstrowsports.tv}
21 Dec 2011 19:03:10
we are liverpool fc and we are proud
@kop_bailey
21 Dec 2011 19:02:51
Hi Ed
Have you got any news on any potential January signings up front? We do need someone to start converting our chances for us on a weekly basis.
Luuk De Jong? Rodallega? Leandro Dami£o? Other?
Also something in the back of my mind tells me that we might even go for Steve Fletcher of Wolves.
Cheers
Benno {Ed002's Note - We have shared what we know.}
Rodellaga? Really bring back Neil mellor ahead of him
21 Dec 2011 18:59:32
With all this talk about Suarez's ban, let us not forget, we've got a game coming up in an hour! Come on people let's stop talking about suarez off the pitch for a couple of hours and focus on supporting the team for what will be a difficult match against Wigan.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Couldn't agree more
Mind there seems to be a lot of people complaining about TalkSport, you do realize you can turn it off right?
Lets just all enjoy the game tonight, if the lads put a shift in like they normally do it should be too much for Wigan, but don't think the opposition will just roll over. Hoping for another 2-0 victory with Adam to score. YNWA
always a red
21 Dec 2011 18:58:40
Luis starts.. Come on my son.
21 Dec 2011 18:58:14
Bent makes sense. He is in a nothing team with no chance of making euro 2012. He is an out and out goalscorer that we desperately need. He is seasoned in the premier and would hit the ground running. Would be great for all.
21 Dec 2011 18:55:43
Luis and the lads must be chomping at the bit to get on that pitch tonight. All the best Luis and the lads, aswell as the traveling Kop tonight, one voice let it be heard wish i was there.
KNEE JERK
I think it will affect Suarez negatively tbh. I hope i'm wrong.
I also believe (If an appeal happens and is unsuccessful) that it will have a negative impact in our performances, as the team will look up, see he's not up there buzzing around, and question themselves about who to give it to.
Again I hope i'm wrong.
Let's put the topic aside for tomorrow and support ALL the lads tonight, whoever plays!
3 points please Santa!
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
21 Dec 2011 18:51:24
What are the chances of Shelvey , Flanno and Robinson Going out on loan in January? Maybe Shelvey to Bolton would be a good shout?
I would echo Shelvey to Bolton. Mentioned it last summer as a possible loan destination for him. Bolton need someone in the middle with a spark and he needs EPL experience, but I think he is Blackpool bound once we find cover in the centre of midfield.
Thanks
Glov3z The Red
21 Dec 2011 18:34:39
To all LFC fans who keep touting world class strikers to to club....GET REAL! Do you really think the American owners are going to give King Kenny another £20-30m when he has a £35m striker warming the bench. Our chance of spending big on a top striker came and went last January when we had £50m to spend. Instead of buying a proven goalscorer and quality footballer we bought Andy Carroll. The truth is the only team to have done well out of the Torres/Carroll transfer are Newcastle. The club has done its money on Carroll and will be lucky to get half of what they paid for him. The biggest regret is if that money had gone on a Higuain/Benzema/Cavani we would be challenging for the league this season due to the number of chances created and missed. All of those players mentioned are prolific for their clubs and would have been acquired for £35m.
Gutted!
Another one for the RedTurk/Bermeister
supporters club....
He may be one of the Red Turk/ Bermeister supporters club but he isn't wrong is he?
Not proven in the prem are they. Carroll is only 21 he's got almost 20 goals in his first year in the prem. Not may for lfc I know I'm not bias or stupid but he's got 10 more years at the top level that's plenty of time to improve. Why does no one slag Rooney off. He's englands best player ha ha bull sh&t we have a better record without him. Crouch has better goals per game than Rooney
You think the owners have stopped spending just because a 21 yr old signing for the future has not developed as quickly as knee jerk fans would like? Lol - Henry and Werner are winners, they value the fact that top 4 is key to get into asap, if DC can indentify a top striker that the club could acquire King Kenny will be backed. The LFC squad is still being built, there is no reason to be gutted as we are going from strength to strength and our captain is back. I feel gutted for the clubs the likes of Newcastle, Everton, Villa and below etc that cant afford to offer decent wages and so will will find it difficult to attract the top players.
21 Dec 2011 18:33:40
Very proud of the players and the club following their statements just now. Shows the unity of the squad.
maka YNWA JFT96
21 Dec 2011 18:32:43
A hypothetical question Ed but what would happen now if a Liverpool fan went to the police and reported hearing Evra say what he did?? Is there a time frame on reporting a crime?? And if you later learn about the meaning of the word and then feel horified?? This could all get silly? {Ed002's Note - He would likely end up being charged with wasting police time.}
Not if there is proof that Evra used a racist phrase, the proof being the statement he has made to the FA which has only just come to light. There could be retrospective action in light of fresh evidence {Ed002's Note - No, that is not how the system works. There is no public order offence. A better argument would be to ask why the FA have not taken action against Evra. There is no criminal case.}
21 Dec 2011 18:32:06
LFC website statement :
The Liverpool players have this evening issued the following joint statement in support of Luis Suarez.
Luis Suarez is our teammate and our friend and as a group of players we are shocked and angered that he has been found guilty by the FA.
We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that. We know he is not racist.
We are a squad of many different nationalities and backgrounds. All of us support the Club's commitment to fighting racism. All of us accept there is no place in the game for any form of discrimination. As a group of players we totally support the Kick it Out Campaign.
We have lived, trained and played with Luis for almost 12 months and we don't recognise the way he has been portrayed. We will continue to support Luis through this difficult period, and as a popular and respected friend of all his teammates, he will not walk alone.
I love it , LFC will fight it and fight it together . Beautiful .
1977
No, what it souunds like is he is our mate and its ok to use racist comments in a football match. Blatter got it right this should have been sorted with a handshake.
21 Dec 2011 18:28:33
If we were to accept the ban today,will he be banned for tonights game or does the ban start on jan 3rd {Ed002's Note - If Suarez were to confirm that he is not to appeal the findings or the punishment then the ban could begin immediately.}
21 Dec 2011 18:25:18
Hi just a quick question. If this was the other way around a evra said something regarding Suarezs skin colour being White, would it be treated exactly the same? And if not why not?
Sam2jam {Ed002's Note - Yes he would - the rules work both ways.}
Ok cheers ed. But it's never been heard of? So now potentially if 2 opposing players dislike each other then could...make something up. I know this isn't likely but it could happen. A massive can of worms has now been opened. {Ed002's Note - It is an unacceptable aspect of the game. I don't see why anyone would look to encourage it.}
21 Dec 2011 18:23:27
After watching English football for 36 years I'm fast approaching the point that Circus it has become is not worth my time anymore...
21 Dec 2011 18:21:42
Dear All
Stop complaining about Suarez. Stop trying to ignore the fact the the FA (and a QC at that) has found him guilty of racially abusing Evra. Stop saying the FA has it in for us and that was a stitch-up by Alex F's friends on the panel. This is downright embarrassing and you all sound like petulant schoolkids who've had their ball taken away from them.
Suarez said something that he shouldn't have said. He has been charged for it. Face it and accept it.
There is no conspiracy, no witch-hunt and no hidden agenda. The only agenda here is to make an example of the man and to ensure that all players, officials and supporters know that any racially motivated language is not acceptable.
Grow up and stop looking through red-tinted spectacles.
Suarez will be forever targeted now by opposition fans even more than he already is. Its this which is sad - as Evra and the FA have said he is not a racist. But our gloriously even-headed football fans in this country will simply ignore that fact. Whilst the FA have succeeded in forever painting Suarez as racist, Suarez himself should not have put himself in this position.
KT (King Tubby).
WE are going to fight it and fight it to the end -We are in it together and how we love our football club and our players .
1977
I like how you say:
"There is no conspiracy, no witch-hunt and no hidden agenda."
And then go on to say:
"Whilst the FA have succeeded in forever painting Suarez as a racist".
Priceless. You kind of made that look like the FA had an agenda, although it was inadvertant and not the context you meant, I thought I would point it out.
I'd also like to point out that Suarez has formally being charged with Misconduct (Which carries a 3 match ban, I believe) and not Racism, as they and Evra have both said they don't think he is a racist.
It is a true fact that this ban is to make an example out of Luis, and it is an injustice to Luis, Liverpool and all of us.
If they want to make an example of out of someone, then why not find someone who actually did racially abuse someone? *cough*
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
Dear Chipkin9
I stated that I do not believe in a hidden agenda, witch-hunt or conspiracy by the FA. I then stated that the FA have succeeded in portraying Suarez as a racist. Let me explain this to you.
The characterisation from now on of Suarez will be tainted due to this decision by the FA. This is the inevitable outcome of this sorry affair. He has been found not guilty of racism but guilty of racial abuse. Whilst they deny he is racist, they have succeeded in tainting his name forever (with no little help from Luis himself).
I am an LFC fan, but I do not see the world so blinkered as you obviously do.
Your *cough* refers to Terry, I assume. Let's see what the FA actually charge and punish him with before condemning the FA for hypocrisy. Also, the CPS charge is merely the beginning of that story.
KT
Much as I love Kenny, I think the t shirts are ill-advised and counter-productive. Leaves FA with no room for manoevre and no chance to reduce the ban. They cannot be seen to bow to pressure like this. This is not the Liverpool way.
KT,
You must have read between the lines a little.
I wrote: "Priceless. You kind of made that look like the FA had an agenda, although it was inadvertant and not the context you meant, I thought I would point it out."
That implied I understood you, therefore there was no need for your explanation!
I don't have blinkers on either! I know what's going on. I just support Suarez unconditionally, like the club has. Maybe you should do the same!
And I didn't accuse the FA of hypocrisy either (not yet anyway). I expect the same will happen to JT. Again you read between the lines.
I said they should have made an example out of him INSTEAD of Suarez.
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
Unconditional support is, by definition, blinkered. Unconditional support is silly because it does not allow for reason or empathy.
I support Liverpool. And I support Suarez, but I think a little bit of humility might be called for rather than this deluge of dirge about how mistreated we are.
Ditch the t-shirts. Show everybody our response on the pitch instead.
KT
21 Dec 2011 18:09:42
Making racist remarks is ok as long as you do in is Spanish or some other tongue. that is basically what all of you so called fans are saying...
Can u not read. The fa and evra himself said Suarez is not racist he's been charged with misconduct. Evra admitted making racist coments to Suarez. Get your facts right before you start shooting your mouth off. It's happened get over it
OMG really... another anonymous keyboard muppet get back to your dust bin Oscar
MJ
Try to understand it is the meaning of the words. There is no malice it was a term like, shipmate, buddy, pal, mate, luv. It doesn't matter what language it was in there was no intent to cause offence.
How thick are you, does it even state that he is a racist? NO it says he made a racist comment. It goes to show that Liverpool fans dont really care about racism if it is one of their players doing it? What it Rooney had called him something? then what you lot would have had the rope ready.
21 Dec 2011 17:55:00
is the ban starting immediatly {Ed002's Note - No. He has until January3 (I think) to lodge an appeal. If he does then it will be delayed until the appeal has been completed. If not it will begin on January 3.}
21 Dec 2011 17:51:17
If Adrian Durham was stood in front of me now, I'd chin him
Jack the groove
Ps if that fat frog Gough chirped up I'd chin him too
An whiskey nose for starting all of this BS
KopEndDannyLFC
21 Dec 2011 17:29:40
Here's my take on the whole Suarez case. I am a black man who has lived on three different continents and has been insulted on and off football pitches, school yards and public transport systems. However, I don't know if I have ever met a racist person in my whole life. Also, I have never called anyone else a racist, but that is my experience. What I do know is that in the heat of the moment people will say anything to get you off your game. When you watch any football game (in England) you can clearly see that every 50/50 decision is met by foul language during every football match. The culture of football (competitive sports) is unique. Luis Suarez is his own man, he choose to get into a verbal altercation with Evra. Patrice Evra is his own man, he choose to go forward and complain about the situation. Liverpool Football Club is and always will be unique. We will accept the ban whether it is reduced or not. We will welcome the sarcasm and ridicule and face the adversity. We will learn from the experience. But one thing we will NEVER do is crumble, not for eight games nor ever.
Canadian Fan
21 Dec 2011 17:24:54
Hi eds after the way king luis has been treated by the FA do you think he will be in the right frame of mind tonight and be in the squad.
I think he as been treated has a scapegoat and its all because he is not english. If he was english no way would of he got this punishment. This is just another reason why i couldnt give a damm about the national side. Cant wait for evras next trip to anfield he is going to get some stick. For not being a man and sorting this behind closed doors and always crying wolf.
Mighty reds
21 Dec 2011 17:24:16
hi ed with all the posts relating to a vast amount of players on this page, could you please narrow it down to three players you think liverpool are most likely to sign in january.. thanks
tom {Ed002's Note - There is no way I can do that.}
Aguero, Alonso and Lucas lol
TIZER RED
21 Dec 2011 17:13:32
hey eds
is there actually anu substance to these bent rumours? and is it true we once had dani alves about to join us?
great site :) {Ed002's Note - If Bent moves it will likely be to QPR, As for Alves, I don't know.}
Yea, alves nearly joined us from seville before barca came in with a late bid
Ed002 why do you think bent would go to QPR. Surely ginen the option he would jump at the chance. You dismiss this and that player coming to liverpool because of there performance in recent years what have QPR got to offer. Or have you heard something we haven't.
Quigz23 {Ed002's Note - I am sure Bent would jump at the chance of a move to Liverpool. But have Liverpool shown any interest in him and approached Aston Villa? No. Have QPR shown and interest and approached Aston Villa? Yes.}
21 Dec 2011 17:11:09
Liverpool fans should be ashamed of themselves voting (Sky sports poll player of the year) for a player purely because he is a Liverpool player! If you look at the Man Utd rumour site, you will see honest fans voting for Silva and RVP because they genuinley deserve the award. Liverpool fans should grow up, stop acting like eight year old boys and start voting based on Football!!
Sorry not sure who your talking about but Im guessing you are talking about Suarez... well he has single handedly risen the spirits of players and the fans and made LFC exciting to watch plus he is a top quality player who any team would want in their side... I can also see your to weak minded and cowardly to sign your posts so be ashamed for yourself and i would rather have suarez than RVP any day of the week
MJ
Luis suarez is a pure diamond and plays like liquid gold .
more power to him !
1977
I think many people are voting fairly.
Put simply,Suarez is the best player this year......
Burnsy
Its not just LFC fans that have voted...
What are you annoyed about? that a liverpool player will win it or that no one is cheating to get Man Utd a win!!?
Vote for someone else if u want but we will vote for who we choose to and we will make our point!
ItsNotRocketScience
Being realistic about what u can win this season at last
21 Dec 2011 17:07:36
Suarez has caused Dalglish to seriously think about bringing torres back
Why chat rubbish
MJ
Probably there's as much chance of Evra signing for Liverpool than Torres.
21 Dec 2011 17:06:34
How about giving Raheem Steerling the nod? a bit of trickery would not go a miss. Quality player.
I wish people would understand that his body is not yet ready for the top flight game. Physically, he still needs to develop. He's so young.
McSnuggles
21 Dec 2011 16:52:42
If there's anything lfc need right now its probably a player who can play both on the wing and as a striker like:
Eden hazard
marcos reus
lukas podolski
Gaston ramirez
Or perhaps a "fox-in-the-box" striker like:
Fernando Llorente
Edinson Cavani
Ezequiel Lavezzi
Gonzalo Higuain
Luuk De jong[can also play on the wing]
Adam Johnson would also be very useful if City are ready to sell him. So not speculating any of these will join Liverpool but just an idea of who might end up there
What about we put in an offer for Bellamy and Kuyt?
21 dec 2011 16:51:45
cant believe the crap thats being said on talksport ...they should be taken off air ......luis suarez is not a racist!!!!!!! fact!!!!!
This will ruin the lads career now i hope fergies happy .....mud always sticks .....
FARE (footballers against racism Europe) president reports looking into the term used by Suarez and although it can be a friendly hence acceptable term in the rite context, it can also be used as a derogatory/insulting term - given the context in which Suarez used it, he is confident that the latter applies in this instance - suarez' defence simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny and the Anfield diatribe since yesterday is further isolating the club nit only in terms if football but also public opinion - the willingness of the intellectually challenged to jump on this bandwagon is laughable - time to acknowledge the facts and try to salvage some respectability before the wheels come off said bandwagon - likely to fall on deaf ears I know so keep up the good work clowns
I am not a liverpool fan, but can honestly say talksport is the devils radio station full of poision and spite. Also, Suarez did make a racist comment FACT. Maybe taken out of conext but he still said what he said. Having said that Evra should not get off scott free and should have got a 6 match ban. Also, Suarez may be a Liverpool player, but he is not innocent as he admitted what he said. To say he is a scapegoat is bs, the FA needs to set an example, therefore Terry should get at least a 10 match ban. Suarez is a class player, but that is not the point is it? I think that Liverpool fans should be questioning the length of the ban rather than his guilt. But is questioning wheather a player should not be banned for making racist comments is daft as the answer should always be yes. The FA harps on about respect but Manu players always surround the ref ALWAYS... where is the respect there? What Liverpool should appeal on is the length of the ban as there is no guidelines on this type of offence, and then the FA can come out and clarify what it should be.
Toonal.
21 Dec 2011 16:51:29
The FA could have inadvertantly helped us out. When a club feels the whole world is against them they develop a siege mentality which brings everyone together even more. There are examples in recent history that show teams with this siege mentality go on to win trophies.
And who better to lead that siege than the King! Thank god we've got Kenny back in these times.
21 Dec 2011 16:43:39
When will the reasons of the commission become available?
Zoula {Ed002's Note - A report will be provided to the clubs - it will probably not be released.}
21 Dec 2011 16:43:11
Can Luis Suarez or LFC now make a complaint to the F.A that evra used racist word against him now that it has come to light or is it to late in the day?????
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - No.}
If they cant go to the F.A then can they go to the police ??
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - And say what? Suarez could go and lie to the police that he heard Evra say something derogatory. Hopeless.}
No he could go to the police with a written statement that evra signed for the F.A which evra states that the used the word sudaca towards him
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - Nonsense. The criminal offence being what? Why are you so keen to see Suarez make a complete laughing stock of himself?}
Are you a united supporter ED 002 ? {Ed002's Note - Torquay?}
Ed002 I think your missing the point here Im afraid. Just because Suarez didnt hear Evra does not make it ok. The CPS have today charged John Terry for using racist language against Ferdinand even though he didnt hear it !
The point is Evra is guilty of a racist comment and has admitted it, by using a very nasty word like sudaca against Suarez
there is no logical reason why Evra should not also be charged too
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - I am not missing the point Tel. The CPS issue was in response to a complaint to the police from a member of the public who did hear what Terry said.}
Good response Ed002...but why cant Suarez now complain ? He has written evidence from Evra admitting it ?
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - Because it was not a public order offence. What would the charge be?}
Ed i think the point that they are trying to make is that if the fa have found suarez guilty of the charge then surley they are duty bound to take action against evra after he has admitted insulting suarez under rule e3 (2). this states you can.t use imsulting words refering to ethnic origin. nationality , faith etc... and the user name isn.t awind up that is my name
{Ed002's Note - I completely agree. That is entirely different to having the police investigate a potential public order offence. The FA should be considering action against Evra. However, as it was an admission made as part of his evidence, I suspect they may be advised that whilst a direct charge would not be appropriate, that they may simply warn him about his future conduct. We will see. But any sort of action by the police is not going to happen.}
21 Dec 2011 16:38:59
Hi eds becasue suarez has got this stupid 8 game ban will lfc sign a striker or play bellamy or kuyt upfront with carroll {Ed002's Note - A striker may well be signed but not because of Suarez' ban.}
21 Dec 2011 16:38:59
Summer Blockbuster, a remake of Mean Machine starring John Terry. boom boom
Dirks Engine Room
21 Dec 2011 16:37:48
Is it that the F.A will not or can not start their own investigation into the John Terry saga until it has been dealt with by the police/courts??
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - It is their decision but I really don't see them doing anything until after the criminal charges have been addressed.}
Ouch i could see that biting the F.A in the backside if off course John Terry is found guilty
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - It is entirely separate matter.}
How can you separate the matter when the alleged crime took place on a football pitch which the F.A is responsible for?
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - THe FA have no responsiblity for the crimal charges. It is an entirely separate matter. If the FA bring charges they will be against the FA rules, in a similar manner to Suarez.}
If criminal proceedings go ahead and terry is charged he will not then be charged by the fa as one supersedes the other, it would be very much like in the military. {Ed002's Note - One does not supesede the other.}
21 Dec 2011 16:39:54
Luuk De Jong
Moussa Sissoko
What are the chances?
21 Dec 2011 16:32:45
We understand how seething you fans are at the ban. But the fact is, he was charged and found guilty. Even if the ban is reduced he still did it. The case wasnt about Evra's "Sudaca" or whatever it is comment.
It is a harsh reality, but the way your club and fans are handling the situation now is one word, pathetic. Had it been a player from any other club in the EPL, they would have accepted it and not ran their mouths.
Do you not think this is low even by your own standards?
Shut up u fool
Mind your own business .
We will fight for Luis Suarez till the very end .
1977
You Sir are a complete fool
Is this sir alex or rocking Roy hodgson?
He has a point, Liverpool fans standing by him makes them look like Lazio fans with Mihalovic or whatever his name was. Whilst his skill as a player is not being bought into question, he is one of the best strikers in the prem, but defending racisim... too far Liverfool fans.
He still did what exactly? Suarez (nor the club) denied he used the latin-spanish word 'negro'. The question is one of intent, which is not proven. The fact that Evra's choice of language was in his non-native tongue is clear evidence of his intent. The club and the fans disgust is at the fact that the FA have in the same breadth stated that the guy is not racist but applied a sanction, with no corroborative evidence , that in effect brands him one and just fuels muppets like you. I'm glad that our multi-cultural club sees fit to stand up for an outsider against a pack of institutional bigots hell bent on crucifying a foreigner to mask their own shortcomings. Scousers are more than used to getting s**t upon by officialdom and not taking it lying down. The reaction should be of no surprise to anyone.
Defending Luis Suarez is not defending racism .
1977
Sad little sheep begging us to come back to the flock. You're effectively saying that we should lay down and take it and that any other "decent" club would keep their mouths shut and not have an opinion in case they make the mighty FA angry.
Suarez is not racist and has not been accused or charged with racism - all parties accept that. The sticking point is that the FA, an organisation that has never been held in high esteem at Liverpool, nor vice versa I assume, have banned our best player for 8 games with no apparent evidence AND with the accusing party admitting to the same crime as Suárez but with no retribution. It is a knee-jerk standard-setter applied by the FA in response to recent racially-themed controversies and nothing else. Pointless and potentially crippling to our season.
Martin
21 Dec 2011 16:28:10
I anybody listening to the absolute bilge been spoken on Talksport at the moment by Adrian Durham and all of the fans of other clubs with agendas against Liverpool? {Ed002's Note - Turn it off if it offends you.}
21 Dec 2011 16:24:38
There are a number of considerations and sub-plots stemming from the FA decision on Suarez.
1: The response of the owners FSG, and what their perceived course of action will be.
2: The appeal process, and outcome thereof relating to Suarez.
3: Response of current sponsors based on 1 above.
4: The impact potentially on the 'naming rights' partner, and all future business partners for LFC.
5: The loss of a key player, morale and performance of the team in the next few months.
6: The impact on our dear NO 7, the emotional and psychological aspects.
7: LFC's ability to secure new players.
From a business and club perspective, no club wants to be seen in a negative light.
The next few weeks will be difficult.
So its time to stand behind the club, owners, team and management, and as supporters provide positive reinforcement and support.
Always a proud Red supporter.
Damn the FA for their 'witch hunt', and terrible and unfair response.
Shankly's Red Army.
Its bad, but its not THAT bad, in a few weeks time it will be over.
He has been charged with Misconduct. He is guilty of not knowing that the word used would cause offence in England.
The fact the media have jumped all over this and made out the Suarez is racist is the issue for me.
Statements from the FA, even Evra himself stated they do not think he is racist.
The media are out of control (not only with this issue) and I hope the club and Suarez will press charges against the press for branding him a racist.
This is damaging for th club and Saurez, I don't think this has been dealt with properly and I think we are a long way off getting to a conculsion.
21 Dec 2011 16:24:29
Not to do with the F.A shambles, but does anyone else find Harry Redknapp a media whore and increasingly annoying. It seems every time I turn on Sky Sports News he is there laughing with the press giving his opinion on EVERY single thing happening in football even if it has completely nothing to do with Spurs. Its also that time again when he makes his annual appearance at the training club during January transfer deadline day, sharing a joke with the press and desperately trying to sign a player they have caught wind of that another club is trying to sign or a player completely out of their reach to somehow show they are a massive club. Cant he honestly just stick to his club I know you probably wants the England job next but I seem to see his face more often than I see my girlfriends.
LFC4LIFE
I have been saying the same thing for years, the bloke is an absolute prat. Can`t believe you used Media Whore, the exact phrase I use and suits him best. Any available Radio/newspaper or TV opportunity for him to show his ugly mug he`s there, giving his "no chance of that happening mate" Bollox.
Matt b
Matt b, I knew I couldn't be the only one who felt like that. Iv tried to ignore it for years, its beyond excusing he simply irritates the hell out of me. Great minds obviously think a like because thats exactly what he is a "Media Whore" its just embarrassing the amount of times his mug makes an appearance on tv or in the newspapers etc, anyone would think he doesn't have a job where he manages a football club. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he appeared on some garbage reality show like celebrity big brother during the summer pre-season break.
LFC4LIFE
Harry annoys me no end. Its not like he is moaning Fergie or your lots KD... strewth. Give me Holloway anyday
Give Harry a break mate, he's entitled to his opinion on everything football, like the rest of us. And I for one respect Harry as a person and a manager.
Chipkin9 (EIRE)
21 Dec 2011 16:22:19
Just a few hours until the LFC away support laud Luis Suarez as a HERO !
1977
For what? he racially abused another player. Are you lot gonna do a Lazio and form a swastika like Lazio fans? You really sound pathetic, really you do. oh wait, your argument will be because he did not say it in English its ok... pathetic.
We love him , he is a Hero to us many times over . He desrves our upmost praise for his performances and we will not let him walk alone .
Defending Luis Suarez is not defending racism . Worshipping Luis Suarez is what he deserves .
You wish you had the passion of LFC supporters .
1977
21 Dec 2011 16:14:51
the fa picked the wrong club to mess with...
21 Dec 2011 16:10:19
Hey ed i just had a quick read through the posts today and saw a few people saying about Darren Bent signing... just wondering if you can somehow check if its the same person posting it over and over again or something lol? {Ed002's Note - No we cant easily do that.}
Bent, no he will not sign based on the comments here...
Unless it is Bent hilself posting!
Darreeeeen! Are you out there?
Drigan
21 Dec 2011 16:09:43
Question to ed(s) and others. Why is evra not being given a ban as he has admitted saying words (racist?) to suarez.
The point that evra was not accused should not be a way around this as if I went to the cops and admitted something surely I would be charged etc
I await your responses {Ed002's Note - Evra has not been charged with anything - so he cannot be banned.}
You know how to answer a question dont you ed
Well why wasnt he charged then {Ed002's Note - It came out as part of the evidence - and Suarez never heard it so there was no complain.}
So why cant suarez now say that if he called me sudaca, even though he didnt hear him at the time, it offends him now that he has found out. therefore he could take Evra to court or the FA for something that Evra has already admitted...Guilty as charged your honour
21 Dec 2011 16:04:14
Best plan of action i can see is issue an apology for offensive but misinterpreted words, that in no way is he guilty of racism , get ban reduced to 3 game... and get back in time to ram it down the throats of the manc scum ... and luis let your sublime skill do the talking from now on.
This is the point I have trying to make. The words may not have been offensive to Suarez, but to Evra they were. End of. Just because they were not in English is not an excuse. He still racially abused another player and he was abused back. Evra should also have been banned, albeit for less matches for retaliation. {Ed002's Note - For Evra to be banned he would need to be charged and then subsequently found guilty.}
21 Dec 2011 16:02:11
Hey Ed(s)
I would like to see Eccleston given a crack at first team action when Suarez' ban kicks in. What do you think?
{Ed002's Note - Perhaps, much will depend on what happens in January.}
21 Dec 2011 15:57:55
if i am hearing it correct that suarez has been banned for MISCONDUCT and not racism then i am dissapointed with the fa. players break other players legs and get away with it.careers have ended because of some horrific tackles and nothing happens to those players but no the fa decides to give an eight match ban for using abusive words......
Anyways we have a match to win tonight come on LIVERPOOL YOU"LL NEVER WALK ALONE
amar {Ed002's Note - Go back and read what the charges were and perhaps it puts it in context for you.}
I just read the real statement from the site the second point said "the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour"....does this mean they r tryin to say that he is racist...sorry if i am not catching the obvious
amar {Ed002's Note - If you look at the charges he has been found to be guilty of it should be clear to you. I don't think there is any suggestion he is a racist. Stupid, yes - a racist, no.}
21 Dec 2011 15:56:16
I trust that the club will exhaust all means to defend Luis and clear his good name
However the silver lining is, if the ban is upheld, maybe it's time for Luis to take a much needed break. He's been carrying our club from day one and subject to all sorts of rubbish from players and refs. Give him some time away, clear his mind and come back refreshed ready for the final third of the season. This is the time to galvanise our whole club and for everyone, especially Carroll, to step up and prove that they take on the mantle and deliver the goods.
SingRed
Spot on mate
21 Dec 2011 15:54:03
Liverpool to score 3+ goals against Wigan, I can envisage the players putting on a determined and professional performance that will ensure lady luck will swing our way tonight boys. YNWA
21 Dec 2011 15:45:30
Luis Suarez will score 5 times tonight!
Remember the name
Y.N.W.A.
21 Dec 2011 15:41:14
Luis Suarez began reminding me of Charlie Chaplin the moment WE seen his big personality & genius performance level .
Now it seems he is being victimised in the same manner as Chaplin was , by the Senator McCarthy witch hunts that branded Sir Charles Chaplin a communist for near 30 years .
Luis Suarez will not let those beneath him , hold him back or keep him down . Our Football Club will relish fighting with every sense of identity in defence of our little genius . Luis Suarez is a hoot !
Luis Suarez to score 4 goals tonight .
1977
21 Dec 2011 15:36:28
Why does everyone think that LFC aint got the money. as i see it we only used about mio last year. we got 9 players for about 100mio carrol 35mio, suarez 22mio, downing 20mio, henderson 20mio, jose enrique 7mio, adam 6mio, and coates 6bellamy free, doni free, and then sold Torres 50mio, Meirelles 12mio, babel 10mio and aqualani 8mio and joe cole will go too plus a lot of youngsters, so the wage bill is low for now. 116mio - 80+ lets say 25mio. the owners is real business men, look at how they rebuild RED SOX in just 2 years. now it is the second richest baseball club in the US after NY Yankees. IN KENNY, COMOLI AND HENRY we trust. its just one big. future is looking good as i see it... :)
Great comment mate, however took me a while to read as the grammar was horrendous haha.
Lovetoseedarrenbent
LTP the red
21 Dec 2011 15:34:55
Suarez should be charged by the police as a criminal offence the same as Terry!! {Ed002's Note - No. A member of the public anonymously made a complaint against Terry - that is what led to the police investigation and recommendation to the CPS.}
Isn't the maximum penalty terry can get from the police a £2,500 fine?
Luis already has to pay 40.
So can I make complaints about Manc players every time I see them do or say something offensive (ie. swearing or displaying aggressive behaviour) during a game? I could get their whole team banned in the space of 90 mins.
21 Dec 2011 15:29:07
Hey Eds and Reds,
I understand the difference at present between Suarez and Terry incident. Just like to go on record and say I think that the Suarez decision was shocking given what appears to be lack of evidence. Obviously we will know more once the report comes out.Then and only then should we worry about anything as then we will know what we are appealing against. I'm sure the board are already working on many different scenarios and plans of action for all eventualities so I'm not going to let myself get too worked up yet.I am quietly confident ( or naive ) that we won't be without Suarez for 8 games. Common sense has to prevail at some point.
My question to the eds is this, the fact that John has now been charged, if the FA are so keen to be seen to kick racism out of football, would it not make sense for them to suspend Terry until 2nd of Feb, at which point, depending on the outcome at the West London magistrate courts on 1st, the suspension could be extended? Only down to the fact that the CPS have deemed, with the evidence that has been provided, that he John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence?
I find it hard to understand how the FA can allow any player to continue once they have been charged by criminal law as opposed to a 2bit set up like the FA, when they keep stamping down that their only concern is to remove racism from football completely.
Thanks for your time,
YNWA
WelshScouse {Ed002's Note - Terry has not been found guilty of anything. The FA are not going to suspend him and I suspect it will be many months before the criminal case is concluded.}
21 Dec 2011 15:27:35
I hope Suarez scores tonight and when he does he takes off his top to reveal a t shirt saying f*** the fa. And sticks his middle finger up as he does it! That'll help the situation.
Would be an epic moment
I'd love him to do a Balotelli and lift up the shirt and underneath it another shirt with....
WHY ME?
MM
21 Dec 2011 15:20:56
Anyone else think it would be funny if Suarez scored tonight and ran straight to Glen Johnson to celebrate?
KT!
Err no...
That would be embarassing.
Cringe. Or had a picture of Oprah under his shirt.
Ash
21 dec 2011 15:19:51
lads. if you haven't voted for suarez for "player of 2011" here's the link.
www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/player-of-2011
then follow link to vote for stevie g in the all-time prem player vote.
if you haven't voted, vote for suarez now.
ynwa tizer red.
please keep going with this: at least it's something positive to cheer us all up.
nd {Ed002's Note - I thought the fans ignored everything to do with Sky?}
Not in this case ed. The whole world still looks at sky. We have to show our support for suarez.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
21 Dec 2011 15:18:52
The club's response is getting a lot of stick. Suarez admitted the use of a spanish word, we all know - but the club have now questioned Evra's integrity. Does anyone know what exactly Evra said to the FA? Will we ever find out? I can only imagine he really beefed it up hence the club mentioning the previous incident in which the FA basically called Evra a liar. The club aren't stupid, I assume they have very good grounds for their reaction. Hopefully this can all come to light.
And are there any South American's on here that can comment on whether the word 'Sudaca', when said in anger, can ever have no intended negative connotations?
Yes....of course, think Suarez needs to put a complaint to FA over this..
Armando
21 Dec 2011 15:16:01
Hi Eds just a bit confussed as to why the F.A can not start proceedings againt John Terry until after the police/courts have dealt withe the case in hand. If it were any other company then they would suspend that person until the police/courts have dealt with the case in hand. It just dont seem right that he is ok to play football when he has been charged by the police.
wildwelshman {Ed002's Note - The justice system works on the basis of being innocent until proven guilty.}
21 Dec 2011 15:14:58
Oh how self righteous some people can be,how many of those( who are loving this situation with Luis in that it lets them pour out ill informed comments about racism) can honestly say that they have never uttered a remark that could have been construed as racist.
To all you who are condemming his actions sit awhile and think,have you never said anything that may be construed as racist,when you have and realised that you have then shut up and keep your ill considered comments to yourself.
Derek
21 Dec 2011 15:14:39
Imagine:
1. How does Surez feel?
2. How does Evra feel?
3. How does Mr Ferguson feel?
Why add Mr Ferguson? Well he is the one who marched Evra to the referee to make the complaint in the first place. He is the one who has taken media opportunities to reinforce any suggestion that Suarez is guilty.
Plesase get a life
We have a life ... and Luis Suarez is a massive part of that !
1977
21 Dec 2011 15:10:25
well even on appeal i cannot see the fa turning there dicision round.Yet its ok to go and and appeals rooneys and be happy about it,wot is happening in our beatiful game. ed002 now tht terry has been charged aswell what do u think.and am i right in assuming rio is johns kids godfather,if so why would terry racial abuse anton.i personally dnt believe suarez or terry has been racist or are racist.i think my next sunday league game i will get my girlfriend to vid cam it then take it to the fa,wot am trying to say is its passion for the game and we all get wound up now and then and the fa should of used common sense
mr brown {Ed002's Note - Terry has been charged with a criminal offence, it is a totally different situation. After that is concluded the FA may then decide to charge him with the use of abusive language or whatever. I really don't know who the godfather is to his kids.}
21 Dec 2011 15:09:13
Hope it does not happen but I think Suarez will be on his way, he will be absolutely fed up at this decision.
Or he will stay and fight for Liverpool FC and its values, backed by his team mates KK & Liverpool fans worldwide.
21 Dec 2011 15:05:11
Might Suarez ask to leave due to unfair treatment by the authorities in his eyes?
21 Dec 2011 14:53:07
Well looks bad, Gerrard out, Lucas out and now Suarez out!! Nearly half the season gone and not in the top 5. The FA have it in for us and it looks like it's all over for another year.
Not for me!! Remember Istanbul lads come on! Big Andy to start scoreing, we can be top 3 by the time he's back fresh ready for the final push.
Come on! Lets get behind them, F**k the mancs what do they know anyway loads of money, all the decisions go there way the press love them the FA love them, there's no honour in winning like that! So lets stand up sing, shout and cheer our lads on and lets not worry about new signings, because the players we have left are good enough to beat anyone in this league on there day.
This is what it's about being a Liverpool fan, digging deep when it looks all over, standing up to the world and saying we will not be beaten. And remember at the end of the storm there is a Golden Sky! Come on what do you say Ed
RNred
Great post again RNred!
RN - you in the mob then shippers or am I way off the mark?
The Goatherder
JFT96
21 Dec 2011 14:50:59
Eds, quick question, can the f.a. also issue a punishment to John Terry aswell as the CPS?
Stu. {Ed002's Note - If they charge him and he is found guilty, of course.}
I think there will be up roar if he is found guilty and the FA do nothing.......
But will there will also be uproar if he is acquited by the courts (who need a higher standard of proof than the FA) so the FA say that as he has been cleared they cannot charge him?
Bob
21 Dec 2011 14:50:47
The Suarez situation came as a shock. He could have lied and said that he didn't say anything because it would have just been his word against Evra's. He could have lied and said he heard Evra's comments in return, but he didn't. We will never know the intent of his comments. Maybe he meant them in an endearing way, but maybe he didn't. Regardless, we as the fans are his support. He is our player, and we need to assume that he had good intentions unless proven otherwise.
Suarez's honesty and candidness during the entire process is admirable, but it appears that it has actually made him worse off than lying. This is frustrating because it appears that the FA is setting a precedent that the FA would prefer individuals to lie so they do not need to deal with more difficult issues.
The FA certainly took a hard line to ban any action that could look like racism. Some people are always going to think this punishment is harsh because we do not know Suarez's intent, while others will say this it is appropriate to take a hard line with any kind of behavior that could be perceived as racism.
Liverpool needs to respond in a very strong way. The club is going to be worried about public perception, so it must rebound quickly and strongly. The statement and the appeal are good first steps, but Suarez will need to do a lot to clear his name. The team needs our support as much now as ever. If his appeal fails, then we will be without him for a while. We will have Gerrard back though, and we will have the chance in January to sign a few players. Keep your heads up!
Whatever happens, this is our club. We need to support it as well as all of our players. When they make mistakes, they have to deal with the consequences, but we will always be there to support them - regardless of whether they are winning titles or struggling with off the field issues.
Thanks!
CSeiling
21 Dec 2011 14:49:58
John Terry is to face racial abuse charges. Do you think he'll get the same punishment as Suarez?
Reddan {Ed002's Note - This is a separate matter, and it relates to charges that may be made by the police. He has not been charged by the FA - they will wait until the criminal charges have been addressed and then will decide whether or not to charge him, and what those charges are. If subsequently found guilty by an independent panel he will be given some form of punishment. Speculation at this time is futile.}
21 Dec 2011 14:41:38
I cant see suarez staying much longer.. not because of liverpool not winning but because the way hes treated.. if i moved to spain and was abused the way he is i would give em the finger and be on the next plane outta there.. i hope he stays but atm i cant see it happening
21 Dec 2011 14:36:14
Crown prosecution service have said that john terry will be charged for racially abusing anton ferdinand...let's see hw many games he gets banned hmmm {Ed002's Note - This is a criminal charge and an entirely separate matter. Subsequently the FA may decide to charge Terry - but it will not be until the matter has been settled in court.}
21 Dec 2011 12:36:27
Hi ed 001,
I was just wondering what you think the owners will make of all of this? Really tricky situation for them, do you think they will back luis all the way, or look to resolve with a hefty transfer. I'm so frustrated that this is happening, the FA needs to be exposed. However, with sky and the tabloids clearly loving this I think it will be difficult to embarrass them in the way they deserve. Gutted that luis' name has been tarnished like this.
Fowler 99 {Ed005's Note - Owners sell because of this? Absolutly not. I imagine they'll back him all the way. The statement last night on LFC.TV speaks for itself.}
21 Dec 2011 14:28:05
I agree Suarez wash harshly punished but the fact is. He has been punished. We can cope without him so let's just show him our support befor the ban takes place and hope he comes back fresher and better than ever. He's already the best player in the prem just think what he's gonna be like when he comes back fresh. Don't let all these supporters of other clubs wind us up and get behind lfc for the push for 4th place. What's happened has happened we need to move on.
The problem is he's tarnished and this can have a psychological impact on a player. Every opposition fan will, I'm guessing, be booing him just to wind him up! That's got to be tough...
Having said that, I spoke to a spurs fan this morning who was shocked at the FAs decision based on the facts.
21 Dec 2011 14:22:47
Not sure if this has been posted, but had a quick look and can't find it, but think the FA are right under their 'rules', although think a bit of common sense should have been used!
GENERAL BEHAVIOUR
3 (1) A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not
act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any
one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive,
indecent or insulting words or behaviour.
(2) In the event of any breach of Rule E 3(1) including a reference to any one or more
of a person's ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation
or disability (an "aggravating factor"), a Regulatory Commission shall consider
the imposition of an increased sanction, taking into account the following entry
points:
For a fi rst off ence, a sanction that is double that which the Regulatory Commission
would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
As you see, as Suarez mentioned Evra being black, even though not in racist terms, he's gone against the FA's silly rules!
Like the refs do in matches, why can't each case be dealt with on it's merits? I saw a stone wall penalty not given tonight, whereas another ref would have given it and maybe a red card! I just fear this silly decision, will open the flood gates for more problems for the FA!
I hear the Uruguayan FA are getting in on the act in support of our man and hope maybe our FA sees sense and thinks again on this!
Keith {Ed002's Note -
So my reading of the FA's own rules is that Luis should have got double the normal sanction for referring to Evra's colour in a non racist way. This means that he would have got a 4 match ban and a £20K fine for being verbally abusive with no mention of skin colour. Given serious violent foul play is a 3 matc ban I do not believe this is the case. I think Luis would have got a 2 match ban at most for being abusive to another player soaccording to the FA rules he could have got a 4 match ban because of the race referal.
Bob
21 Dec 2011 14:19:57
Shock News : LFC does not fit in with the English FA's blinkered view of the world .
Suarez to score 4 goals tonight >
1977
21 Dec 2011 14:18:59
Mark Saggers is clearly one of the most pathetic people given any kind of air time in this country. His attitude stinks. Has a clear London bias, purrs over anything Manc and has a lack of intelligence like no other. It always amuses me when someone with a penchant for lengthy words with slight public school twang is taken as an intellectual. I myself have a relatively formal education, I listen to the man and think why? Why is he allowed to be on the radio. He is a sleaze of the highest order, I listen to his comments about Rafa over the years and they are without doubt xenophobic. In fact the whole footballing media is largely xenophobic. This has come to fruition again with Luis. He is Latin, that means he is a diver, that means he is racist, that means he is a cheat and dishonest. Starting to ring a bell?
D-Day (1892)
---------------------------------------------
With Saggers it is more Chelsea than Manc. He is equally anti United as Liverpool. It is more a north south thing and posh v the traditional working class clubs. I think it is for this reason that Micky Quinn makes such ridiculous comments about our chances this season of winning the League. Quinny is just winding Saggers up.
But all of the presenters on Talk*hite are/were anti Rafa. We never got any recognition for the Rafa era and the many good nights we had.
21 Dec 2011 14:19:05
John Terry will face criminal charges over his alleged racism.............
JRG
Ed, what does this mean for him regarding a ban etc ... {Ed002's Note - It is entirely separate issue and results from a complaint made by a member of the public to the police. The FA will not do anything until this criminal matter is concluded. After that I imagine he will be charged with using abusive behaviour or whatever by the FA.}
21 Dec 2011 14:16:45
Hi All
This isnt a rumour but it is a big thank you to all EDS for the work throughout the year you do to make this an awesome website. Id like to wish you all a merry christmas and a happy new year
(PS still the best website by far)
Merry christmas YNWA
LeeWils
21 Dec 2011 14:15:05
Well up against it now! No Gerrard No Lucas and now no Suarez! just over half the season left and were not in the Top 5.Looks like it's all over!!
{Ed002's Note - Suarez will be available over Christmas.}
21 Dec 2011 14:13:49
I am pretty sure that anything I think will be biased being an ardent RED however having grown up in France, Spain and Italy the banter between races is much more open and as always it's all about the context. If memory serves in Spain Jimmy floyd hasslebaink was called EL Negro just like Macca was called El Blanco, and this was in the papers and on tele etc. This is a classic case of lost in translation coupled with over sensitivity to how the media perceive this situation. The FA as usual are wading into waters without a clue of how to deal with it sensibly. Anyway if anything good comes out of this it will be that JT will be locked up and have the preverbial key thrown away but somehow I don't think that will happen.... Tobiwan
Spot on. Evra's mates may call him that name in a bantery way (and he probably has similarly close to the bone nicknames for them) but if Suarez spits the term in a moment of anger, there is nothing affectionate about it.
If your best mate was black, and you and he had harsh nicknames for each other that you shot back and forth in jest.....but on a night out, a random white boozehead shouted at your mate a similar thing.......fists would be flying, and your fists would be among them.
RED_SKY
There is no suggestion Luis Suarez 'spat out' a term relating to skin colour in anger .
His own grandfather is Black , he would not care about skin tone as a insult !
1977
This red-sky boy is nothing more than a stupid little trouble maker who thinks he's a clever person, by the way you always talk through your arse
21 Dec 2011 13:34:29
Just heard that we have ordered our Scouse Ambassador in Manchester to close the Embassy and remove all staff as soon as possible. They will be travelling overland to Runcorn then make the final leg of the journey along the River Mersey, arriving in the City sometime this evening.
Midsred
I say god speed to them and i hope they make that journey safely and soundly they should be knighted for having to work in manchester they will be disturbed for the rest of there lives hopefully they can make the readjustment back into decent society lol
21 Dec 2011 13:52:00
Please say the bent arnt true. He's awful
21 Dec 2011 13:44:41
ed,
1. i know u said we have informed luuk de jong of our interest, and he is interested too. are there any other player that liverpool has done the same?
2. other than chelsea, what other clubs have real madrid offered higuain to?
Kaizer {Ed002's Note - (1) You need to read the posts to see who Liverpool have shown an interest in. (2) None, there were discussions between the clubs a few weeks ago.}
21 Dec 2011 13:44:14
Ed, obviously the CPS decison on Terry has not been announced yet, but IF they don't prosecute Terry, do you think that that could help Liverpool in the defense of Suarez when they inevitably appeal? {Ed002's Note - No - it is nothing to do with it.}
21 Dec 2011 13:41:19
I am actually shocked by Liverpool fans reaction, your player admits he used terminology that is racist and gets banned what is the big deal? Just because it is not deemed racist in his home country it should not be deemed racist here? No balls! at the end of the day he the player admitted it. Liverpool fans need to get of their high horses, it is not Liverpool bashing it is the FA trying to make a stance against racism and racist remarks. I hope Terry get the same if not more. The FA are trying to stamp out racism in the game and the fans should support this. I also believe that if Evra also made comments that were racist then he too should have been banned. Your fans are showing by defending the player that you do not think he has done anything wrong? Just because he plays for Liverpool does not mean he cannot be banned for making racist comments. The player may not be a racist, but made the comments and although misjudged at the time said in the heat of the moment, he still said them. Same goes for Terry, although I think he should be banned for at least 10 games! All this crap about people swearing at other players and refs is also a joke, these are not racist comments. The player crossed the line and had been punished accordingly. As I said I am actually shocked and dismayed that you, the proud fans of Liverpool are defending him really I am. Also all this crap about him being voted player of the season is a joke. As I said it is not media bashing of Liverpool, but more bashing of your stance and the fact that you standing by the player. Before you all start writing back remember that the player admitted using racist comments. These comments are not part of the modern English game and have no place here either. Also if Evra did not have an issue with the comments made, then this would not have happened and a Blatteresk shake at the end of the game would have been fine. The fact is Evra was offended by these comments. I really hope that Liverpool fans with brains with respond and actually agree with the comments that I have made rather than lambast them.
If you had brains you would no he never said it was a racist comment it was a comment used in the spanish language it simple means little black man so if that is racist we are in big trouble, so before u come here mouthing off look up all the facts 1st
So what about evra's comments then, he has admitted making racist comments himself so he himself should be banned for the same amount of time. your a plonker, the fact is that it was a kangaroo court. he was unfairly punished and evra didn't get anything yet admits racist comeents himself. smacks of hypocracy mate.
huddz red
A. if you're proud of your comment put your name on it. B. As no one has seen the documentation form the hearing how do you know what was said and C. Evra admits to making comments to Suarez. So is he any better?
I agree that racism shouldn't be part of football but until you stop the people in the stadiums chanting or singing the issue will never go away and if Evra was offended by Suarez's comments why did he use abusive language back. You can't have the moral high ground if you choose to engage in racist of personal comments.
The only reason Suarez has been given such a long ban is because of the comments Blatter made and the FA have to be seen todo something. Do you think they will make such a strong stance against John terry, England captain? If they are true to their word and he is charged we just want all players to be punished in the same way
What so it is ok to abuse someone in Spanish then? Grow up idiot, the fact Evra is not Spanish, therefore comments made to him would be deemed racist. Idiot, really you basically saying I take the mickey out of my black mate all the time and he does not mind, so that means I can take the mickey out of all black people? NO, The player admitted the offence and yes it is an offence. In Italy the work black translates as Negro, so maybe Terry should have said negro instead as it is Italian for black? Its ok to abuse another player racially as long as you do it in a foreign language? You really are making yourselves look stupid by even saying it and yes Evra should have been banned as well if he used racially terminology back or should that be black? You decide?
21 Dec 2011 13:32:54
Hi eds is it just reds who have rose tinted glasses on ere or has Suarez actually been hard done by! All these so called football reporters condemning suarez calling him a racist an sayin the FA have got it completely right. LFC seem to be the only one to have come out an talk some sense on this ridiculous decision! Not not one reporter has mentioned to my knowledge (or lack of) about Evra using derogatory words to Suarez! LFC are right something should be done about what Evra said cuz in my eyes that's just as bad as racisim he still making some sort of "objectionable comment" just as Evra has accused Suarez of! Sorry for the rant just not a happy bunny today
Thanks for the hard work eds in what is obv a busy time for u lot
The swan
Its almost as if you don't realise the the media is anti-Liverpool.
It not just the media though is it, Gordon Taylor of the PFA has even come out an said its fair and that they must of had some pretty good evidence! How can he say it's fair when he hasnt seen the evidence himself! Av lost all faith in the English game after this season so far! Terrible refereeing decisions and double standards by the FA! Shocking Christmas should be cancelled cuz of this! Phone Santa an let him know eds
The swan
Taylor is a bumbling person and should retired or go back under his rock
21 Dec 2011 13:24:14
The Suarez verdict - wow - 8 games, not really sure that anyone expected that level of punishment. However, the ban is subject to appeal and it's highly likely Liverpool will do just that, in the hope of getting the ban quashed or at least reduced. On the other hand, in the cold light of day they may choose to take it on the chin get the ban done and dusted and have Suarez back for the 2nd leg of the Carling Cup semi-final at Anfield.
A failed appeal and its possible Liverpool & Suarez may take the case to court - defamation of character, Human rights, loss of earnings etc. The whole saga could drag on for months. This may prove to be the preferred option as any delay will bring us closer to the opening of the transfer window & the opportunity to strengthen the squad in his absence (perhaps a loan move)
The Club statement, wow again, having read through it a few times it appears to have been written and published in haste. I don't think it helps any appeal, I don't think it helps relations between the two Clubs - which are frosty at the best of times & I wouldn't be surprised if someone loses their job over it.
The repercussions, Suarez could justifiably feel he is being victimised & has to decide whether it is in his best interests to stay at Liverpool - despite this, he is and will remain one of the hottest properties in the game. A big money offer in January may result in his departure.
The Owners are in an awkward situation given their stance on racism in the workplace, how far they are prepared to back Suarez on this remains to be seen.
Future fixtures between the 2 clubs are potentially explosive - it's possible that the 1st fixture back from a ban for Suarez could be at Old Trafford. It's an emotive subject and feelings are going to be running high from both sides. The consequences really don't bear thinking about. I honestly feel that both Clubs have to now find some way to join together, perhaps in a joint stance against racism. Both Clubs have had to deal with enough tragedies in the past & whilst I don't wish to be so melodramatic, the clubs are now so tribal in their culture that a riot or worse is not beyond the realms of possibility.
AKN
21 Dec 2011 13:22:44
excuse me ed(s) but could you please tell me the prdicament the owners are in with the suarez case, as i underastand it it was one man agianst another mans word, both have admitted using abusive language be it racial or otherwise, the f.a and evra have both said suarez is not racist yet suaerz has been given an 8 game ban and evra has nothing, sorry if i seem a bit dumb but if i were the owners i would be backing suaerz to te hilt. but i am not the owners and i do not know what predicament the owers are in so if you could please explain it to me. thanks alot and happy christmas to each and every one of you.
huddz red {Ed002's Note - EVra was not punished as he was not charged with anything. The owners predicament relates to how they will be perceived as a result of the case if they give direct support to the player.}
Ok thanks ed002, but the evidence speaks for its self. do you know if the case reports will be made public so we can all see what was said and by whom?
huddz red {Ed002's Note - No, you will not see any transcript.}
Well they have already given that direct support in the strongest possible manner - the LFC statement .
1977
21 Dec 2011 12:47:52
Liverpool have been In touch with aslef.. With So many strikers available kenny believes he may find one on the cheap in the capital
Dannitoon
21 Dec 2011 12:47:18
I have heard Liverpool had scouts at the PSG v Lille match. Ed's, do you know what players they were scouting? {Ed002's Note - No.}
21 Dec 2011 13:15:24
Do you believe eds or anyone that if Suarez had lied and didn't admit to saying negrito that he would have got off free because it would be Evra's word as the only evidence; I know it's not right to lie but most court cases aren't won without lying and personally I would rather have a Suarez playing rather than a Suarez not playing. {Ed001's Note - impossible to say.}
I think if he kept his trap shut theres no way he could have been found guilty. 1 mans word against another etc
Pardoe
21 Dec 2011 13:04:05
any chance of podolski joining in jan eds {Ed002's Note - Please use the Search function.}
21 Dec 2011 13:03:31
Well done Ed001 for saying it how it is as usual. Some really naive posts on here no doubt from other fans and 001 is posting them and replying to them with sense.
We have to wait and see what the club / Suarez will do from here, but I think we all agree that the FA selected panel may have made a serious error in judgement. I personally can't wait to read their statement of reasoning as they must be ensuring the best lawyers are working on it now.
Terry, Rooney, England - just laughable!
Ultra Red
21 Dec 2011 13:02:50
{Ed002's Note - I do, but I will probably keep it to myself for a while. I am surprised nobody has yet speculated how the owners amy react to the events of the last 24 hours.}
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Well I for one hope the John Henry becomes a legend and takes this to the courts, someone needs to violate the F.A then drag them through the coals face first and hang them up by one foot for all the world to see what a joke they are.
Once finished with them turn on the media and knock seven bells out of them. Hopefully then we can have back our beautiful game and he can be cast in bronze as a hero and remembered forever.
If not I fear he will either bail and leave us branded a racist club (which there does seem to be a conspiracy by outsiders) or use Luis as a scapegoat and sell him, as this 'issue' is not in their business interests at all.
K79
21 Dec 2011 12:54:22
hi ed, any interest in jose callegon for real madrid he looks a good finisher? {Ed002's Note - No.}
21 Dec 2011 12:38:44
Hey Ed
Do you know what I'm getting for Christmas, have you heard any rumours.
A lot of people seem to be linking us to players not good enough for Liverpool, if the ban isn't overturned it will probably get reduced on appeal, we have Carrol, Kuyt and Bellamy who can all get goals so no need to panic buy. The players we have just need to step up to the mark.
Wouldn't mind Ozil though.
21 Dec 2011 12:38:35
I know everyone keeps on saying it but is it true we're looking to offload Maxi?
When he plays he does well, especially with Suarez.
21 Dec 2011 12:28:23
we seem to be losing our players 1 by 1, lol..:(
21 Dec 2011 12:27:19
Hi ed's and all Liverpool fans
Being from down under I have only just now discovered what has transpired today with Luis and I am in utter disbelief after quickly reading the reasons behind the ban.
Firstly I'm of European origins and put up with my fair share of racial taunts growing up in Australia in the 70s and 80s so a racist I am not, but to receive 8 matches for a term of endearement while Evra admits to using a derogatory remark the other way gets nothing is beyond all sane reasoning.
I don't want to sound over the top bias towards Luis however my blood is boiling that a young man can be tarnished with this for the rest of his life when no malice or intent to racially abuse was evident. To top it off they took one players view over another.
I really hope the club take this case as far as far a's it can go just to show this so called independent tribunal that it's political correctness gone mad. Sorry for the rant ed's but I couldn't contain myself. Keep up the great work . Regards Aussie Jim
{Ed002's Note - Do you honestly feel Suarez used the word as a term of endearement?}
No this word is not a term of endearment.
However the word in question can be applied to white people as well as black people.
This word is a derogatory name for people of all races who are spongers and live off hand outs and the state.
A little more research needs to be done.
Political correctness has gone too far in a linear line without balance.
Why wouldn't he ? His point of view has already been declared with no confusion at all .
1977
Ed who started the name calling?
k-h {Ed002's Note - No idea.}
No, but here is a better question, can you or anyone else prove, beyond all reasonable doubt that he didnt?
Andy C {Ed002's Note - It was never claimed by Suarez that he did, so it is not an issue. His defence was based on claiming ignorance that the term he admitted using would be taken so offensively in Europe.}
Fair enough - Luis Suarez does make a good point .
1977
21 Dec 2011 12:23:28
Ed I was wondering if there is any news on the new stadium as I seem to remember Macca saying something about stadium news in around August but I have only just came back on the site today and therefore I havent seen if he said anything else on the matter. {Ed001's Note - it looks to be set to be announced soon that we will have to move, though it is by no means certain and it could easily be rumours being passed around by the club to put pressure on people to ensure that Anfield redevelopment is given the green light. That is certainly the first choice of the owners, but there are a number of issues surrounding the maximum capacity allowable. I would suggest just sitting tight and waiting, because any decision is not final until it is announced. Even the best informed people have told me different things over the past few days.}
Nice One ED
21 Dec 2011 12:21:27
this will be carrolls chance to step up
21 Dec 2011 12:12:50
Just wondering eds, do you think the words 'negro' or 'negrito' are racist? Thanks
YoungRed {Ed002's Note - It depends how they are used. I grew up in an area and at a time where there was a lot of racial tension and for me everything like these words need to be considered in context.}
I supose Negro seems like a racial slur but Negrito translated isn't the same as that.
I lived in spain for 10years and they are normal words
21 Dec 2011 12:07:50
Liverpool fans defend a racist player? I'm sure players like John Barnes are proud of their former club and supporters stance... shame
He is as much a racist as you are an idiot! Leave your name
Zoula
Can't you read: Evra and the FA say he's not a racist.
21 Dec 2011 12:05:05
Rooney constantly swears throughout EVERY game, using abusive and foul language to refs and assistants. The next time Rooney uses abusive language to either a ref or a player we should get a petition together and formally complain to the FA. They have opened a huge can of worms here and they have completely missed the boat.
Men are men and have always given verbals to each other in the heat of battle, pity Suarez came up against a girls blouse in Evra.
The whole saga smacks of anti Liverpool yet again
Sky are even referring to us as the 'merseyside outfit' for tonights game + they are saying Suarez has been proven guilty of racism WHICH HE HAS NOT ! He has been found guilty of miscinduct and he certainly is not the first footballer either and nor will he be the last. 8 game ban is an absolute farce..grrrr
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - Tel, this is not an issue related to swearing. A complain by a member of the public to the police is what has resulted in the investigation in to what was said by John Terry. I suspect that trivialising what has happened with Suarez is not going to help matters.}
21 Dec 2011 11:57:13
I am so excited by the potential of liverpool and I can see us going close next year with one or two quality additions in the summer i.e. Gaston Ramirez, Eriksen. Personally, I think we should exploit the resources around us and look at the jewels from the clubs close by ie wigan, blackburn, bolton - who are all in a precarious league position.
THIS JANUARY HOWEVER I would be looking at Hoilett, Moses, McCarthy - all three who would supplement the squad adding homegrown talent, pace, youth and premiership experience to improve our league position. With the first two, As John Barnes said, we lack someone with pace and flair opposite Downing and in addition, these two can play wide on both flanks, or through the middle - if we dont get them, they will be at a top 4 club in the near future! Furthermore, with Kuyt on the way out, they would be exciting replacements.
As for Mccarthy, a perfect all rounder in the middle of the park who could cover gerrard, lucas, adam and complement henderson in the future!
Any thoughts Ed?
21 Dec 2011 11:53:07
What I find extraordinary about the Suarez racism case is that the FA seem to have swallowed Patrice Evra's story without question, despite the fact that no one else heard the exchange and Evra failed to notify the referee during the game. Given that Evra has previously made claims on this very subject described as "grossly exaggerated and unfounded" by the FA, I find it incredible that they should use his testimony alone to ban a player for almost 25% of the season
Red Ollie {Ed002's Note - Suarez did not deny saying what was reported. What he claimed was that in his view the term was not racist.}
Exactly .
1977
21 Dec 2011 11:49:23
I hope all of the fans get behind luis toinite wether he plays or not and sing the suarez song as loud n as long as they can , lets show him the support he needs !!
21 Dec 2011 11:48:48
I think we need to see the bigger picture regarding the Luis Suarez incident. It is this bigger picture the club appear to be totally incensed about, rather than the incident itself.
I, like many on here, haven't a problem if Suarez subjected any player to racial abuse and had the book thrown at him. Let's get this straight. No one on here condones racism in any shape and I'm sure the club would take severe internal action against any player found guilty of such.
However the manner in which this has played out is fundamentally wrong. The club and the player have been exposed and allowed to be treated with unfair and unjust behaviour by many in the media before the event.
The club has strong beliefs that the FA had a hidden agenda either toward the player personally and/or toward the club or both. The FA can hide all day long behind their mantra that this was an INDEPENDENT panel of three. Whether there was any conflict of interests with any member of this panel i.e. professional links to Manchester that were not declared is probably a smokescreen and just something people are seizing upon. I seriously doubt that the individuals on that panel would be as stupid and careless as not to declare any such interests. I don't really think we should concentrate on this aspect at all.
The real issue is how the panel got to the verdict and the punishment dished out and this is my main bone of contention. With the evidence to hand it 'appears' (the full report has yet to be published) the panel has decided to take the word of one person over another with no further evidence to back up the claim of Evra. The panel in making this judgement clearly rely on the integrity of Evra verses Suarez in deciding who to believe. There had to be an admission of some sort on behalf of Suarez that collaborates Evra's story that the word 'negrito' was used?
The next point is what character assessments the panel took to form the opinion that Evra verses Suarez had any merit? This is where the club may claim a hidden agenda against the player. Was the panel already swayed by some pre-conceived thoughts or belief's that Suarez is a cheat, a diver, a person of bad character with the World Cup incident, the comments from Ferguson about diving and conning officials and that he's a bad image for the game and the subsequent Fulham incident? Whilst of course not taking any reference to Evra's past indiscretions? There is a clear imbalance here. Whilst Suarez cannot be described as being an angel, can the same be said about Evra and that his character is reliable?
The punishment fits the agenda the FA have with FIFA. Does it fit with the evidence to hand? There is a clear conflict with FIFA and our FA regarding not just issues on racism but on integrity itself and with the fallout over the World Cup bid, have the FA used this incident to show the World we have our house in order and will act with tough sanctions in relation to the meek sanctions handed out by FIFA to Countries whose fans chant racist songs etc?
Therefore are we (Suarez and the club) used and abused as a pawn in their fight to prove who has the best integrity? An Association who can deal robustly with any matter.
Whilst you cannot point a finger at the Terry incident and try to make comparisions. John Terry is currently in a far better position regardless of the facts in that case. The CPS has become involved. Therefore the standard of proof and the quality of the evidence has to be far higher to convict Terry. The Criminal Justice System, although it has its faults, cannot operate in such a kangaroo environment and with such a flippant manner with the evidence or lack of on offer.
The club has received criticism of their support for their employee from the media and the FA who state they are surprised by the club's reaction to the result of the hearing. There have been claims that the immediate and then continued staunch support of the player undermined the credibility of the player and undermined the seriousness of the allegations, and in some eyes helped Evra's cause. I find this utterly unbelievable.
From the outset if the club believed Suarez was guilty they would have taken a different route. To suggest the club deliberately defended Suarez, knowing he was guilty of racial overtones is an allegation and a slur against the club itself and an accusation that the club condones racism. Yet the club are being portrayed in this manner as if it is some sort of defence from the club's own statement.
Finally the FA appears to be completely oblivious and/or ignorant to the strength that is now prevalent at the club. We are no longer a bedraggled, lost and confused club with no leadership or direction and dominated by constant in-fighting. We have owners, senior management and football management who are all in tandem and in sync with each other and have one common goal.what is best for the football club.
If the FA thought Liverpool Football Club was ripe for easy pickings, they grossly misjudged the club and the owners and now they had better be prepared for the backlash because one thing I understand about Henry & Co is that they do not suffer fools lightly and the one thing the FA are guilty of is being fools.
We will appeal, of that I have no doubt. It will be interesting to see the result of the appeal. The club can take this out of the FA's domain and into the legal domain, too which they will be extremely successful should they decide to do so. It's whether the club and the player want this sordid affair hanging over them for the entire season.
We stand in real danger of losing of Suarez. He may want out. He needs the support of the club desperately and that appears to be coming in droves. He has been tainted as the villain of a despicable crime without proper evidence and until there is such evidence he cannot be regarded as such.
There are many ways we can support the club and at the same time voice our disapproval of the way the FA continually attempt to govern the game in this Country. If I were Steven Gerrard, I'd be retiring from International duty with immediate effect, mind you I would have done this many moons ago in any event.
We are at War.
Bob the Red
Very well written great post
Agree with most of what your saying Bob, but there was an admission that the word was used just that luis did not believe it to be racist.
Andy C
Excellent Post
RedSG
Did Suarez say he used a certain word....yes
Did it matter what Evra said if Suarez admitted it.... no
Now if he admitted and is found guilty how can you say theres a conspiracy, Terry is in way worse doo doo than Suarez
Whereas you as liverpool supporters are trying to justify rascism, it just means you are a morally bankrupt club.
Lets wait and see if your club does the same
Pardoe
The word he used is not racist! so no need to think that it should be..if your`re uruguayan.
the panel of 3, are saying it is offensive! when used in this country!
who are these 3 to rule that. is the whole big arguement, thats now started! thats how i see it.
great post bob..
if ya going to disagree, with his post please post why, or mine. cheers
great site eds, your`re doing great job..
dbadger..
Amazing post mate. great read the wee mans being made a scapegoat and the FA have shown there true colours lets take this all the way. Scottybhoy1888
Good post
A manutd fan saying our club is moraiiy bankrupt thats about as good a joke as youl find in a xmas cracker at this time of year manutd have to be the most devious underhand club ever to play football in england using any tatic what so ever to win or put off opponenets it just shows how worried they were by our club but seriously a man utd fan pot kettle and black hopefully kenny uses this to our advantage by creating a sige mentality us a aginst the world its worked so well in the past with other teams why not ours and by no way am i condoning what saurez says just makes me sick when man utd fans comment on our clubs having no morals when they have been morally chalenged for as long as i can remember
Well said Bob the Red you ALWAYS speak alot of sense I look forward to your next post ! REDBOY
21 Dec 2011 11:48:25
adjective
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another:definition of racist from Oxford English dictionary. This deals with intent. now i don't know the cultural semantics to the word used (negrito) or have I heard comments by the panel of their interpretation but if the FA come out and state they do not believe Suarez is racist there can be no intent thus he did not racially abuse Evra. What is going on? Sad day for football.
belfast liverpool supporter
21 Dec 2011 11:47:42
What annoys me most about this case is that to be 'fair' and all that, Terry should be given the same punishment as a minimum (considering he was caught on camera saying it). I doubt very much that will be the case however.
Especially when he meant it whereas when suarez said it he meant it in a friendly way
21 Dec 2011 11:44:28
Both the FA and Evra said that Luis is not racist. He was convicted of misconduct. So why is David Davies on BBC website saying "the FA are leading the way ahead of UEFA and FIFA in the fight against racism". Why make the point? It says a lot about the FA's agenda here.
Also noted the comment on Sky website that Suarez is available to the "Merseyside outfit" tonight. Is that what we are?
Kev
Sky Sports are no better than The News of the World, the Sun and the reporting is one sided. For me personally I would never subscribe to Sky for this reason alone...a load of bigots
Tel 1949
Geography was never my strong point but ive always been certain Liverpool is in Merseyside
I hate sky sports.. Will not ever subscribe to them.
Have skysports and the full package bar movies and tbf I only watch the sports that is it, no ssn or pre match build up as it is full of unfounded criticisms and rat boys face
21 Dec 2011 11:42:36
Hi ed. Sorry for another Suarez question but assuming that Liverpool appeal against his ban and lose can the club take the matter to a higher level ie Court of Abritration?
Especially if Evra is not charged with his offensive language and John Terrys case. I appreciate these are separate incidents but we want them handled in the same way
thanks
RedDan {Ed001's Note - yes, it can be taken further.}
21 Dec 2011 11:36:36
your not a rascist but we will label you one anyway are they thick,
something like that can follow you for the rest of your life,i still cant believe just how hard they fa came down on him,if Luis decides to leave and how can you blame him it just wont be a big loss to liverpool but the league will suffer luis saurez has the chance to be one of the best players in the world
up there with messi is it they cant stand to see liverpool with such a highly rated player or are they just thick?
ed what's the feeling your getting from fans from different clubs?
i know the united fans are behind there man,
k-h YNWA {Ed002's Note - Nobody else cares particularly as one would expect.}
Im sure you have an opinion on the matter ed2 what do you think?
k-h {Ed002's Note - I do, but I will probably keep it to myself for a while. I am surprised nobody has yet speculated how the owners amy react to the events of the last 24 hours.}
Maybe your right ed2,i thought the owners are behind luis on this,im just going by the clubs statement.
k-h {Ed002's Note - The owners are in a very difficult situation right now.}
I do not think that FSG are in a bad position at all. Suarez was charged with misconduct, not racism. It is the biased media in England that have turned this into a "witch hunt". The only decision, in my opinion, that FSG have to make is whether or not to continue to fight the injustice of the ban. I find it funny that both the FA & the little frenchman state that they believe Suarez is "not a racist", yet all I hear is Suarez the racist. I am also curious about what the little frenchman said to Suarez, because there are quite a few things you can say to a latino that are not "racist" but would upset them just as much as a racist slur upsets a blackman. I doubt the FA thinks this way however.
I hope this leads to a siege mentality at LFC, as I fear our great club is being targeted yet again by the powers that run the premier league.
an american red {Ed002's Note - He was actually charged with using abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester Uniteds Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules and that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of the other player.}
The Chairman has already spoken through the LFC statement .
1977
21 Dec 2011 11:34:39
Ed, just wondering do you have any idea as to what the punishment for suarez' swearing will be? I can't help but think that this 8 game ban is set to turn into an even longer one. Cheers. SideShowBob {Ed002's Note - Swearing? If you mean the finger, that will almost certainly be a two game ban.}
21 Dec 2011 11:29:42
Ed, why are Sky saying Suarez is guilty of racism rather than misconduct? This poor, wrong reporting is exactly why people come on here with the idea he's a racist, and it just further ruins his reputation.
21 Dec 2011 11:29:30
Alright, I know we're all upset and angry with the FA's decision, but as difficult as it is, we have to accept the decision and look ahead. Anyway, when does Suarez have to start his ban?
Keith YNWA {Ed002's Note - After a decision has been taken to appeal or not, and if there is an appeal, after that has concluded.}
Ed, excuse me if I come across as nieve but when Suarez appeals will it be the same panel that makes the decision?
TIZER RED {Ed002's Note - No, it would be dealt with separately.}
Liverpool have up to 3rd of jan {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Liverpool.}
21 Dec 2011 11:07:50
Hi Eds, great site.
Just wondering what the likelihood of us going for Junior Hoillett in January are? Have we any interest?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - None is known.}
I believe spurs are the front runners, but no deal will be concluded until the summer regardless of who he signs for! {Ed002's Note - I don't know of any interest from Liverpool in Hoilett at this time. Spurs, Newcastle, Stoke and possibly Aston Villa have been interested - plus a couple of clubs from Germany.}
21 Dec 2011 11:04:33
Ed you are blinded by hatred of man united. Grow up and accept suarez was wrong! He's got away with too much in the past. I don't fink he is a racist. He's said something in the heat of the moment, I myself have done it before. We all probly have. But he has said a racist word and if they have evidence then he should b punished. It jus gets me all this talk of how you won't cope without him. Surely Liverpool are bigger than a 1 man club?
Big Mac {Ed001's Note - you are talking crap, I do not hate any team, I am not 5 year's old. He said negrito, which is commonly used as a term of endearment in South America. Whereas Evra used the term sudaca, which is a highly offensive racial slur, and he has admitted using it in a nasty way. So I think I have every right to complain about this being an unfair punishment.}
Ed001 - yeah mate, but do you honestly think that Suarez said this in an endearing manner given that they were in the middle of a heated on-pitch battle that was getting niggly?
Stop being so naive - he made a racist comment and was punished for it.
RED_SKY
If you think it was a term of endearment you are sadly deluded
Pardoe
21 Dec 2011 11:03:15
Well well well, this just proves the sway Ol Red Nose has at the FA, if it was against any other club it would have been swept under the carpet, an 8 match ban for that, is that any worse than calling someone Baldie or Four Eyes? I dont think so. Look at the abuse Rooney gives refs...C words, Pri*k, Wan*er, not even a talking to...Evra is a 100% Grand A mug 'oohh im going to the FA, Suarez called me names'. what a DOG. I hate Man Utd even more now.....YNWA
21 Dec 2011 11:02:47
Lads. If you haven't voted for Suarez for "player of 2011" here's the link.
www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/Player-of-2011
Suarez currently leading at 67% with van Persia in 2nd on 20%
IF YOU HAVEN'T VOTED, VOTE FOR SUAREZ NOW.
YNWA
TIZER RED.
Brilliant. Get on and vote now......that'll give Sky a bit of a problem!!
21 Dec 2011 11:23:26
What's these rumours in the media of Suarez being disheartened with Britain I don't no we're they have come from but it's jus been on the radio. with villa being injured I think Suarez is his long term replacement but he might be required sooner rather than later have the eds heard anything I hope not
'These rumours' only exist in your head. Go back to your own page...
21 Dec 2011 11:21:37
Hi ed, just wonder if we are set to Buy a striker in jan, because Suarez got banned? {Ed002's Note - The ban will not impact anytthing that happens in January.}
When we've lost players through injury ie Carragher and gerrard there has always been someone in the squad who has stepped up and done a good job so perhaps Andy C can now shows us what he can do
As liverpool will not finish in the top 4 or win anything...
21 Dec 2011 11:21:07
Hi Eds...I just wondered - given the recent words of some replies the Eds have been leaving - have you all been told off for releasing sensitive information too quickly? Just wondered, lol ;)
All the best this Christmas to the entire team for your ceaseless work and devotion!
21 Dec 2011 11:01:40
Ed i was just reading the statement put out by the club and am very impressed. Never before have the club backed a player so strongly and they even cam e out and looked for Evra to be charged for saying in his statement that he abused Suarez in spanish. If Suarez is getting an 8 game ban what the hell is John Terry going to get? He was caught on camera abusing Ferdinand so surely he will get double the ban if not more.
Froggy
Don't be surprised if the FA turn round and say, "well the police have already dealt with this matter"
Because heaven forbid they ban the England captain.
always a red
21 Dec 2011 10:51:54
Hi Ed's well that could have gone better with Suarez but to be honest always had a bad feeling about it going this way. I see the players union have backed the FA this morning and SKY are reporting it as guilty of Racism!
I am Welsh and work with a lot of English and as such I am known as Taff! The Irish lads are known as Paddy and so on, I have no problem with this as it is not meant disrespectfully or abusively, there is no malice or intent to provoke a reaction. And that is a massive difference, the problem here is that they have found Suarez guilty of a racially abusive comment on another mans word?
So this has now set a precedence, will the FA and broadcasting companies now start referring to the former Celtic manager as John Stein and not Jock? And will Eusebio now be known simply as the Pearl or the Panther? The FA will argue they are making a stand against Racism, but the 3 white English men who made the decision missed the point, probably because they have never had to endure it in any form, words are just words it is how they are used that makes the difference, in this case was there hate? Was there malice? Was there intent to cause harm or distress? Only 2 men will truly know the answers and unfortunately the FA chose to believe one above the other.
RNred
Great Post RNred!
Good post, completely agree.
How is it any different to make fun of someone for being Ginger, having a big nose, being cross-eyed, being Welsh, Tall/Short, looking like Shrek, being buck toothed, Big Eared, Etc, than it is for the colour of someones skin.
Lets get one thing straight, there is NO place for racism in society. Racism was born centuries ago out of poor Education and lack of worldly experience. In todays society we are multi-cultural, and the world is a better place for it. But, I find it hard to understand how we as a society accept and allow terms, phrases, nicknames, etc, that are associated with all the features mentioned above, but if skin colour is mentioned it is deemed as racism.
If Suarez genuinely is a Racist then I along with most posters hope LFC sack him. But other than a term commonly used in his homeland and by Evras own team mates I have seen NO actions that would imply he is a racist. And importantly I believe that a person should be deemed racist by their actions not by words, because as previously mentioned who knows where to draw the line with whats ok to say and whats not.
By the way I'm Welsh with a larger than average hooter
Tommy Walsh
And let's not forget Alex Ferguson describing Wayne Rooney as the 'white Pele' lol.
JRG
Rnred
i agree with some of your comments,the last thing anyone wants is the powers that be go completely over the top and start banning players for the words paddy,jock,taffy or limey.the suarez thing,i dont pretend to be an expert or indeed know all the facts but the few things i do know,i believe left the F.A. very little choice.firstly it wasnt on one mans word (evra,s) suarez apparently admitted to saying it himself.the word itself apparently can be used in different context (friendly or insulting)and as evra certainly is no friend of suarez,then its reasonable to asume the word was used as an insult.its worth bearing in mind that all top international footballers are well breifed and versed on how to behave and what you can and cannot say,does this make suarez a racist,ive no idea it may or may not?. i do feel sorry for the lad but unfortunatly his problem stems from patrice evra being a snivelling,crying,sorry excuse for a man.unlike evra suarez was to honest and should have completly denied it to the F.A. but then again he wasnt to know no one else heard it and it would only have been his word against the gimp!.incidentally im not to sure about liverpools statment,it seems to have been written in the heat of the moment,there could be trouble ahead.
trev the gooner
Get real mate, your worse than Blatter... its ok to racially abuse another player is it as long as they shake hands at the end? The fact is Suarez has been found guilty end of. Like you said if people do not have a problem with it then fair enough, but Evra did. I do not support manutd or everton before you all go crazy. At the end of the day why would evra make it up, why would he react so badly? because it was a liverpool player? no because of the abuse he received. You can usually tell by a players reaction what the issue was. Do you honestly think that black players are going to start making up that they are being abused in this day and age of video technology? Defending him you are letting your club down. Look at Chelsea, they initially defended Terry now, due to the fact that he has been blatantly caught racially abusing another their defence of him is more that a little muted. Whats next a picture of Suarez next to black man to prove he is not a racist?
21 Dec 2011 10:50:09
Get on suarez to score a hat trick tonight lads. I feel sorry for wigan they are going to suffer the wrath of luis tonight.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
Thats it come boys come on Suarez YNWA
k-h
I doubt Suarez will be playing tonight to be honest (effectively 9 games he could potentially miss). His head must be all over the place right now.
What I will say though, is that every Liverpool fan who goes to the games must use this to our advantage. Let's get behind the team whoever is playing and sing your hearts out for 90-minutes and give your full support. Turn every away match into a home match and treat the home matches like a European night with flags and a wall of sound.
Let the Kop suck the ball into the back of the net again.
JRG
21 Dec 2011 10:47:47
evra called suarez a SUDACA...
A Spanish colloquial term used most typically in Spain to denote people from Latin America in a derogatory or pejorative way. The term is associated with immigrants from Latin America with Amerindian physical features and who speak with accented Spanish of varied origins and is believed to have originated during the popular Movida madrilea (Madrid Movement) in the 1980s as a result of Latin American Immigration. Due to the rapid influx of Latin American immigrants to Spain from the early 1990s to present, the word has evolved into a common, yet highly offensive ethnic slur...........this is worse than what suarez was supposed to say to evra ....this is a joke
21 Dec 2011 10:43:20
terry announcement expected this afternoon.
Perfect timing ain't it?! Suarez been made an example of so terry can walk away free.
21 Dec 2011 10:41:59
Vote for Suarez to be Premier League player of the year 2011 here:
www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/Player-of-2011
Solidarity.
JRG
I've voted for Suarez already, but I have my thoughts that some way, it will be 'altered' to make someone else win! Maybe this should go on the conspiracy board!
Ed, I posted last night, showing the FA rules and don't think it's been posted! In their rules, it says any reference to a players origin colour etc will be punished. So have Liverpool and Suarez a leg to stand on, or is it the length of ban that's been imposed that could be appealed against?
Keith {Ed002's Note - He could appeal the decision and length of ban.}
Just done it mate. Suarez is a mile ahead on 67% of the vote.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
Looks like he's gonna win, 67% and the rest (bar RVP) are on 1/2%
21 Dec 2011 10:07:11
Hi Ed
So with Suarez ban. who do you think we will sign (most realistic players).
Thanks {Ed001's Note - why do you think an 8 match ban is going to change long term planning???}
21 Dec 2011 10:07:10
Hi Ed's is it true that the FA are shocked at the reaction of Luis Suarez' ban and are seriously considering reducing it to 3 games?
LG. {Ed001's Note - no idea, sorry, but I doubt it.}
They're too far up their own @rses for that to happen LG mate, which is unfortunate.
The A man
21 Dec 2011 10:04:12
8 game ban.. fine, lets see what Terry gets. From now on every single racist slur, from scouser to paddy, and the rest that we all know will be reported in the hope of getting clubs top players suspended for large parts of the season... This is a pandoras box that will cause no end of problems for the FA, KOS
21 Dec 2011 09:59:05
think suarez needs to change his actions, with him already being banned a few years back for biting, and lets face it ALL the diving he does on a regular occasion, then admiting he used the N word twice to evra and the fingures to fulham fans, hes got off lightly with only 8 games, he needs to accept his punishment because if he appeals and looses the fa will probably only add a few games on top {Ed001's Note - he never admitted using the N word to Evra at all. Are you clueless? Give it a rest and stop spreading lies. The word was negrito, which is not the same thing at all, despite what the tabloids (which you clearly get your information from) would have you believe.}
Get in Ed!! can we please have the same reaction to all the clowns that keep asking the same stupid questions over and over. Love it.
RNred
Why do you idiots post without reading the facts?
21 Dec 2011 09:58:01
"It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said, 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist."
So why the 8 match ban then............. seems like a Kangaroo Court to me with an extremely low I.Q.
Clearly Both players said something to each other which was not nice but, it is obvious that racism is the key point/part of this case.
I find it a idiocy that the panel believe you can 'racially abuse' someone and not be racist? By that I mean if the FA accept that Luis Suarez was not racist, how can they give him an 8 match ban for using racial abuse?
So by the three lame ducks own admission, the most they can find him guilty of is abuse as they accept he was NOT RACIST!
Its like finding someone guilty of rape but accepting they are not a rapist......it is not logical.
K79
21 Dec 2011 09:45:04
We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult. Just goes to show who is the bigger man.
Y.N.W.A
21 Dec 2011 09:44:51
Ed well we got stiched up and to be honest saw it coming. think a few people on here missing the point though. He has openly admitted to saying what he did, the problem is that although he see's nothing wrong withe word the FA disagree and believe it is racially abusive.
{Ed001's Note - no, I think you are missing the point. If that was indeed the issue, then why is Evra not being charged with racial abuse of Suarez? He has openly admitted using a racial slur regarding Suarez's South American heritage and intending it in a nasty and offensive way. How is that not worthy of, at the very least, a similar ban and fine?}
21 Dec 2011 10:36:14
not a rumour,its just i think luis suarez is being made a scapegoat by the fa,so they can let england skipper john terry off with his case.anyone else feel likewise
How does that work. if anything john terry should get a similar ban {Ed002's Note - The Terry situation is different as it is a police investigation.}
21 Dec 2011 10:33:14
PSG to get GOLDEN BALLS more like OLDMANS BALLS now.
21 Dec 2011 10:32:20
Am I missing something here? Evra states in the hearing he doesn't believe that suarez is racist, which the FA accept, then what is the point of the hearing. The connotation of the word used in question seems to be the issue here, whereby if it was used in a light-hearted manner then there is no offence taken due to its meaning in different cultures, however it becomes a racial slur when used in an aggressive heated manner. Now if Suarez is categorically accepted as being non-racist I do not see how the use of this word could be deemed offensive if spoken by someone who is not racist and in fact has black heritage. A judgement has been passed on the grounds of:-
We think despite no hard evidence evra is telling the truth
We think that the word in question was used in an offensive manner
We think luis suarez intended to cause hurt to a fellow professional by using an offensive racial slur
Its an absolute joke. An extremely harsh punishment has been brought forward on guesswork as far as i can tell. People have already talked about the club taking this matter through the courts but this wouldn't even make the courts due to no substantial evidence, it would be immediately thrown out because no proper judgement could be passed. Our fight in the courts would be against the FA and the panel used to reach this conclusion.
It was reported in some sections yesterday that evra stated get your hands off me south american when suarez went to pat him on the head. If true it seems that using someones place of origin in an offensive and derogatory manner is acceptable to the FA as long as a reference to colour is not mentioned.
I completely condemn racism and if an attempt was made and evidence provided to confirm suarez had intended to racially abuse evra I would have no problem with the decision. The problem here is the distinct lack of evidence that racial abuse was intended in this instance.
The FA have used this case to support the kick it out campaign and show how racism will not be tolerated. It never really mattered whether he was guilty or innocent, hence the severity of the ban. Will the ban get reduced? Very much doubt it. Will the decision lead to more terrace abuse from fans (eg. QPR fans chanting he looks like a rat for 90 minutes)? Yes. Will fans get punished? No.
An precedent has been set but will this alter footballing culture and the vitriol many players are subjected to, I very much doubt it.
Cheers
Greggers
21 Dec 2011 10:27:34
I wonder will other opposing players start complaining to refs that their being racially abused just to get other players banned, i agree with others, Suarez cards were already marked before the outcome!
21 Dec 2011 10:21:05
Just read that Evra called Luis, sudaca. Is this true?
ChinUp {Ed001's Note - Evra's statement said so, hence why Liverpool are questioning the decision not to charge him.}
This case is so rotten! The FA have made a bloody mess of this.
ChinUp
Wow, evra needs to be put in his place, the only reason evra has admitted this is because anyone would react to it and makes his claim more believable. ed i agree. and its seems he ment it more disrespectful towards suarez, he even admitted to starting it? you could see in the match evra was being spoilt little b*******!
21 Dec 2011 10:20:02
Fellow Reds, go to the FA.com website, create an account and then you are able to fill in and submit a comment form. I have just done this. If you feel as strongly about this defamation of Luis's character and about the way this 'kangaroo court' have acted and dished out a punishment based solely on another mans words without any apparent thought on the implications, as I do, then I urge you ALL to do the same. This will stck with Luis and his family forever and I dread to think of the abuse he'll get from now on from opposition fans, especially Man Utd. We, Luis and LFC need to do all we can to clear his name QUICKLY!
The Goatherder
JFT96
Like what you said, but wondered whether a petition would be better, rather than umpteen emails sent to them.
Keith
21 Dec 2011 10:19:45
ed we defo need a good striker in january but who is good enough to take suarez place out there {Ed001's Note - I have not seen anyone who could replace him like for like, but we don't need a long term fix, it is only an 8 game ban.}
21 Dec 2011 10:16:34
eds
does the suarez 8 match ban include the fa cup and league cup games or just the premier league games ?
fagan81
{Ed001's Note - all first team games within our FA, so yes it does include League Cup and FA Cup matches.}
So we aim to draw against Oldham and City then?
21 Dec 2011 10:14:07
Ed, Suarez has been made an example of regardless of how you look at it, what i dont understand is that how can you punish someone on the base of anothers comment when nobody else could back it up ?
The FA have dug a massive hole for them selfs as far as racism has gone, because now if a player ie says X racial abused him then, its catchphrase 22 all over again as the person accused will be banned on the say so of anothers word. I think it is a joke !!
Also if terry is found guilty(he will get off tho as he is england captain), then he should be banned for 16 games, fined a months wage which then should be donated to a choosen charity and stripped of the national armband as the is no language barrier in his case.
BigD
21 Dec 2011 10:12:19
John Terry - See you next season!! If Suarez is 8 game ban - Will Terry ever play again? The evidence is stacked against him....
21 Dec 2011 10:11:51
luis to get the 20000 epl goal at wigan tonight
That would be fantastic!
The A man
21 Dec 2011 10:08:58
LUIS WAS FOUND GUILTY OF MISCONDUCT NOT RACISM!
40k fine for misconduct!
8 game ban for misconduct!
luis name being drag through the mud by pros in the game!
press branding him a racist!
FA distance them selves from JT open and closed case!
Evra admits of chants of hatred in spanish to Luis no action take by FA!
Witch hunt?
I think so!!!!
Hear hear mate
21 Dec 2011 10:07:42
Ed, If we appeal, which surely we will do, and if he is still found guilty, is there a chance the ban could be reduced? {Ed001's Note - no idea, you would have to ask the FA.}
21 Dec 2011 10:07:30
Jon Terry get a ban for racist comments?
Don't make me laugh, the white english
captain, represents everything true and
Great about Britian. Remember Prince Harry's
disgusting racist comments caught on film
when he was in the forces. Did he get a fine and
did the Army suspend him for 8 weeks?
Terry is likely to get an OBE.
Justice for Luis Suarez.
21 Dec 2011 09:21:42
lets out sing the woolybacks with chants of support of LUIS tonight
21 Dec 2011 09:11:39
Ed's,
Here is a question for you and wonder if you have an opinion. The Independent Board that has just banned Suarez was supposed to be just that independent i.e. that none of the persons had any affiliation to any of the parties involved and would look at the evidence without prejudice.
However, seeing the three names that were involved I was wondering if the panel was truely independent.
First, The Chairman was Paul Goulding QC. he works for Balckstone Chambers. This is the same company that represented the FA in Wayne Rooney's appeal. In this case should Mr Goulding not have recused himself due to a conflict of interestes that his company has received/possible continuing business from the FA in the past. In most courts of law such a situation would not allow the presiding Judge to sit and pass judgement because it could be seen as biased.
Second, How can an Independent panel have anybody sitting on it from the FA. Mr Brian Jones is there to look after the interests of the FA and such cannot be totally unbiased.
There are reasons I also think Denis Smith was unsuitable because he was there to put context on the situation but how can an ex-player and manager that has not played abroad have any idea what the context of a discussion in Spanish was.
Orrin {Ed001's Note - you would have to ask them that, as far as I am concerned it was about as independent and unbiased as I would be.}
So Ed001, are you independent and unbiased in this case? Did you have no preconceptions about the guilt of suarez or the Character's of both players?
Orrin {Ed001's Note - not in the slightest mate. I doubt there is anyone in the country, with any kind of football connection, that would not have any preconceptions.}
21 Dec 2011 09:09:03
I think its incredible that not one red has said 'if he has been racist then he deserves what he gets! All you are interested in is defending your players! What about JUSTICE here!!! Or is there only ONE JUSTICE you lot want! {Ed001's Note - but even the FA and Evra have stated that Suarez is not racist, so what is your point? Or are you just another knob who has no idea what is happening and goes by the lies in newspapers?}
Well said Ed
He was charged with misconduct not racism. It`s the gutter press which have tagged the charge as racist.
Matty P
Quote from the FA "Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);"
Reference to his colour - Edd don't tell me this is not racist!! {Ed001's Note - what, so if you are black you are not allowed to be called black? It is this kind of idiocy that sees two boxers, one black and one white, fighting and the commentator having to tell you how to distinguish who is who by one piece of trim on their shorts. If you are black, what is insulting about being called black? If you are white, is it an insult to be called white? So no, that alone is not necessarily racist. If the colour was the basis of the insult, that would be racist, but a reference to colour is not racist. Unless you are saying that calling Eusebio the Black Panther is racist for instance? The wording is deliberately ambiguous. Unlike Evra's usage of the word sudaca, which is a purely racial slur.}
21 Dec 2011 09:05:45
On Saturday Fellaini of Everton elbowed Holt of Stoke on the head - seconds later Holt retaliated at which point Fellaini complained to the referee. No action was taken. My point is that all too often players instigate actions and complain when the victim retaliates. I believe that this is what happened in the vera/ Suarez case. vera referred called Suarez (who had just apologised to him) as a 'South American'. A simple word (well,two actually) but in this context and situation was intended as a racist slur. Suarez replied using another word with various interpretations. vera took offence (again) and complained. Suarez gets an 8 match ban and a fine of £40,000 (to pay for Rooney's defence) while vera doesn't even get a warning of any kind. A total lack of justice in all ways.
Dutchmal {Ed001's Note - actually Evra used the word 'sudaca', which is a highly offensive racial slur that the Spanish use to refer to South Americans.}
Ed, What will happen to evra, as he used that word to Suarez so in a real world he should get banned as well... {Ed001's Note - nothing, he has not been charged, so nothing will happen.}
21 Dec 2011 09:02:08
We LFC supporters should organize a protest at f.A HQ to show are support and disgust of the F.A ruling over Prince Luis. We all know the influence that tosser gill has over the F.A and red nose gets what he wants!!
Support for Luis
HA - You lot are hilarious! What does this have to do with Fergie or United?! Evra admitted Suarez wasnt racist, he cant do any more than that! You aren't a rival to us anymore - if this was City, I could see why it was a pro-United decision, or even Chelsea/ But Liverpool? May as well be Fulham boys.
Suck it up -the FA not only invented a charge to ban Rooney last season, they pressured the ref into giving a statement (to which he admitted this) and had a city bluenose on the panel (Bernstein) when a ban would result in Rooney missing the games against City.
Such sore losers.
RED_SKY
RED_SKY calls us liverpool fans such sore losers, haha This lad has just won best hypocrite post ever ! You united fans are by far the biggest bunch of sore lossers ever pal along with so much many other poor descriptions which i wont bother wasting on you. Liverpool are renowned world wide for applauding other teams at anfield while you lot wouldn't give any other team any credit FACT!
Rafa was spot on about fergie years ago and his influence has added to the decision against suaerz but the likes of you only see things how you want as non e of you appear to be open minded and thats the reason you lot are a hated club.
REDGAZ
RED_SKY says - "LFC are not a rival to MUFC" .
Lets see if he still thinks and feels the same on February 11th 2012 .
1977
21 Dec 2011 09:01:30
Sky reporting similar lower leauge incident were lad got 8 game ban.Issued(F.A induced,ild suspect)grovelling apology.Got 3 game ban,with 5 games suspended
21 Dec 2011 08:59:14
Ed can LFC go above F.A with an appeal as incident alledged over here?Cos of cultural differences,and Suarez being South American,ie,FIFA? {Ed001's Note - I am not 100% sure what the next step would be after an appeal to the FA, but they can certainly take it further if they choose to.}
21 Dec 2011 08:59:05
Regarding Suarez the punisnment for Suarez should be one match ban for being ignorant of cultural difference about using certain types of words. Evra on the other hand should get 5 match ban for using words that are known to be offensive in South American/Spanish speaking countries.
Steve068
I'd rather neither player was banned than both to be honest.
21 Dec 2011 08:56:29
Can I just say fellow Reds, I'm sure you have all seen it but the LFC Statement on the website is fantastic. I have the upmost confidence that the club will be acting on this at their first opportunity and will fight tooth and nail to help clear Luis name.
Well done LFC! He'll never walk alone.
The Goatherder
JFT96
21 Dec 2011 08:50:17
FA = Fergusons Association
question for the eds, in your opinions if we appeal do you think it likely that the charge will be greatly downgraded or would it the same process as spearings red card where there is almost no point in appealing?
NZL_red {Ed001's Note - I doubt there is any real point in appealing to the FA, but you have to show willingness to work within the laws of the game before you can take things further.}
21 Dec 2011 08:48:36
What a farce, Ed's please explain to me how a panel can be "independent" when it has a friend of the manager of the player making the accusation's sitting on it ? Also with evra admitting to making nasty comments to luis will they judge him the same way or do they first need to receive a complaint about it ? If the F.A uphold his ban just with evra's word alone then Mr terry is well and truly F**ked with the video footage that they have as the police will have the same footage, so i dont think that the police could use the lack of evidence route as its there for all to see, I would assume that the F.A thought that this woud be the end of it because of the nature of the incident, oh how wrong they are, we are LIVERPOOL FC and we will not tollerate injustice's anymore
Essex lad
21 Dec 2011 08:47:44
Media rounding on Lfc generally!Up to whole club,in PARTICULAR playing staff-Unite,and sove all down their throats.HOW?=RESULTS!!COME ON BOYS!
21 Dec 2011 08:31:45
Wes HOOLAHAN at 29 he may well not be one for the future but easly has 4years left in the tank.Also in his last year at Norwich.
21 Dec 2011 08:18:57
heard swansea have agreed a deal to sign rory donneley for 100k
21 Dec 2011 08:08:12
Hypocrisy and xenophobia. Well done the FA. (that's sarcasm)
If Terry is not banned for an open and shut case, which was not complicated by cultural and language issues (Uruguayan, Spanish, French and English in the Suarez/Evra case) - a case which has actual legal proceedings currently being issued - then the FA should be charged with racism. Unsurprisingly a lot of media outlets have decided not to print what LFC said about Suarez being from a mixed race family, or his involvement with social inclusion projects, or his role as captain at Ajax etc. Politically, they have also 'taken a side'.
The FA seem to think they are above the law, or at the least, are a law onto themselves. Were this case handled in a proper legal hearing. Suarez would be found innocent - as there was no proof of racist intent or malice to Suarez' words - at the least, such racist intent would need to be proved. That Evra's word is enough to ban Suarez is even more remarkable given that he is, after all, the boy who cried wolf. A man with a history of being found to lie about being racially abused.
Unreal. Or is it?
The FA may as well have just said that all Uruguayans are racists, and that their use of everyday language is racist. That is after all, what they have inferred. But I doubt they would even have thought about that, or understood this consequence. This decision will have serious consequences for Suarez and his family - and will be a sleight on his name forever.
I hope he is advised to take this case to the ECJ or another higher authority. This culturally ignorant slander by the FA must be fought, and Suarez must be compensated if the 'guilty verdict' is found to be without solid foundation, which it clearly is. I would not suggest the same course of action for Mr. Terry. For obvious reasons.
This case is surprising. I have studied in the area of race relations and social inclusion. This verdict has served to further erode cultural understanding and to promote more ignorance towards perceptions of other cultures. In such a public case, followed by a football loving public, who themselves largely do not understand what constitutes racism in relation to language and other cultures, this has blurred any chance at fostering such understanding a lot more.
Those people in the FA who have pursued this apparent vendetta are too ignorant to have such a prominent role in such a culturally powerful organisation. Such a role in a football mad society demands standards. A disappointing verdict - if good reason was given, then perfectly understandable, but good reason there was not.....
More FA xenophobic and divisive poppycock. How long to the 'you Uruguayan b*stard begin?'. Will that be racist? Time will tell.
21 Dec 2011 08:02:44
The daily mirror is a disgrace the headline is a joke. ALL LIVERPOOL FANS SHOULD NEVER BUY THE PAPER AGAIN
Red-raj
Do usually buy it but today I won't
They have branded Suarez as a racist which is untrue
21 Dec 2011 07:59:58
Blackburn should be worried. With a name like that they'll get an 80-match ban if Evra complains
Lol well said
Essex lad
Now thats funny
21 Dec 2011 07:57:45
If the FA wanted to send out a message to the world them they have achieved their objective violent conduct is ok but name calling cannot be tolerated. Well done FA you have made English football a laughing stock.
21 Dec 2011 07:35:38
So the wise old men at the FA give an eight game ban to Suarez for saying a few nasty words (apparently). By doing this they are saying 'next time you get angry with an opponent just kick them or hit them instead and get a three game ban'!
Obviously don't agree with racism but surely physical violence is worse?
Could you imagine a bit of trouble starting after a few drinks in the local, bloke calls someone else a few names and the police put him away for a few months. The next bloke decides to beat up a few people and gets put away for a couple of days. Well if the FA were in charge I guess this is what would happen!
Spot on mate. I tried to post about the same thing last nite but it never got posted. I must have sounded racist Wich I am not I just said that racism has gone way too far now we can't even say a sertain colour without being racist. Understanding works both ways
21 Dec 2011 07:35:24
Ed when does Suarez ban take effect? Will Evra face any charges over his own confession of abusive remarks?
Is John Terry's situation worse than Suarez and will he be punished more severely?
Ed what's your thoughts on all this? {Ed001's Note - it takes effect after any appeal has taken place. Terry's situation is being dealt with by police, so he is unable to be punished by the FA currently.}
21 Dec 2011 07:24:33
This situation regarding Suarez Could he go to the high court to clear his name. What I understand there is no evidence only they only using what Evra has said. Evra has to be charged to for admitting using abusive language to Suarez. Ed's I think this is going to turn a legal battle
Zorro
21 Dec 2011 07:23:06
Liverpool and Luis shouldn't appeal as that would give a degree of credibility to the kangeroo court they should instead drag the FA through the proper courts were rules of evidence apply and teach the blazers about real justice.
21 Dec 2011 07:20:23
what are the odds we will get 1 or 2 or strikers in jan with carroll not doing well and now with luis out 4 8 games and maby more of a ban coming up nice site have a good x-mass {Ed001's Note - a ban of 8 games is not going to affect the transfer planning for the future!}
21 Dec 2011 07:16:33
LUIS gets to play tonight at Wigan.
21 dec 2011 06:51:25
show your support for luis,with a huge chorus of i "just cant enough" at wigan tonight!
21 Dec 2011 06:46:40
The FA are reported to be stunned by Liverpool's reaction to the judgement and punishment. This shows how completely arrogant and out of touch they are. They expected the club to accept a judgement that contravenes all concepts of justice. When a three man (note no women is this not sexism?) panel can find a man of black heritage guilty of racism without a shred of evidence they should prepare themselves for the firestorm to come. I hope that Suarez takes the FA, Evra and the supposedly independent panel to court for defamation of character. Then maybe the FA will realise that justice demands evidence of guilt before punishment. Yesterday was a sad day for Luis, a sad day for Liverpool and a sad day for football.
21 Dec 2011 05:48:23
hey ed, in regards to a potential appeal on Suarez's ban, if we were to take this course of action, would the appeal take place at CAS, or handled directly by the FA itself?
DownUnderRed. {Ed001's Note - a first appeal will be through the FA.}
21 Dec 2011 04:06:28
To all fans heading to game on Monday at Anfield.
Thinking there should be chants supporting Luis all game and let him know the whole LFC family are behind him.
red snake
Bang on mate! i cant wait for the next home game! luis suarez YNWA!
indian red
21 Dec 2011 03:27:06
A different view.
Step 1: Alex Ferguson brands Suarez a cheat and a "diver".
Step 2: English referees respond, continiously judging Suarez harshly and unfairly.
Step 3: Stand in Manc U captain Evra, accuses Suarez of racism and racial remarks.
Step 4: Alex Ferguson involved again, supporting Evra in protest and action campaign.
Step 5: FA initiate investigation.
Step 6: Charges heard.
Step 7: FA hand out severe sentence, 8 match ban and fine!.
The future!.
Suarez continiosly heckled and antagonised by supporters.
Social and personal life severely affected.
Living in Englsand becomes unbearable.
The Outcome.
Suarez requests transfer, and moves away from England to another club.
Is AF truly this devious, the answer is yes, all has been carefully planned and prepared to eliminate one of the worlds best players from the ranks of your most hated advesary.
What a joke, is this what English football has become.
Controlled and manipulated by one man, "The Dark Lord" Valdemort.
All I can say, its a shocking tragedy.
Oops!, lest I forget, Man U potentially back into the Champions League, due to a Swiss technicality!!.
What a sad story football has become."
None of that has happened just yet, Mr Negativity.
You know there is a site for you named Conspiracy Talk. Why waste your time here? Also maybe AF is a mutant and has the power to control minds, just saying.
Its not a sad story mate its just become more corrupt than horse racing
It is when John Terry is found not guilty and returns to lead England out as captain we will know something is clearly not what it seems.
Now who's bitter!!
The lad is right with what he thinks of that horrible fergie, He always has been a sly underhanded thing and his conspiracy theory may just be right as all the stages he quotes have run exactly true
Grow up for christ sake,if he's guilty he's guilty,biggest crime is that terry hasn't been found guilty yet,if he was a foreign player and have done what he did there would have been murder,he'd be banned for monthsengland captain escapes,the fa let themselves done in how they go sbout things,just because these players are millionaires,world renowned players doesnt mean they have the respect,intelligence or understanding that they need to go with the role of being a professional sportsman,some do in fairness,we all unfortunately know idiots like these people in our own lives
21 Dec 2011 02:36:00
can't UEFA or UFA (uruguayan football association) appeal on suarez behalf? and if it was for breach on conduct then the very least that should happen is evra gets the exact same ban with manu getting a 40G fine.
21 Dec 2011 02:26:10
Ed i see you said earlier a few people close to the club think there is a witch hunt out for Suarez which I totally agree with, it's becoming more and more obvious, why do you think this is the case ? What does everyone have against him?
8 match ban is totally wrong, disgusting.
Cheers
Aussie red {Ed001's Note - I really don't know for sure, so I would rather not speculate, any comment I make will just be taken the wrong way by someone!}
I actually think an 8 game ban is reasonable, if Suarez has racially abused someone. And that is a big IF.
There is no evidence, at least, no evidence that we have been made aware of. Fir this reaosn, the FA should have focussed on John Terry where there is clear video evidence, not just word angainst word.
I think we will appeal it and I think we will win. I just want people to put into perspective that this was a fair punishment for the "crime" Suarez is meant ot have committed. We should all be looking to Kick it out of our game.
21 Dec 2011 02:20:17
So Luis Suarez has been banned for 8 games by the F.A after been found guilty of using racist language towards Patrice Evra?
Aston Villa fans everywhere are pointing out that Emile Heskey is also racist...
mick
gooner
No its Luis Suarez has been banned for 8 games F.A are been racist
21 Dec 2011 02:14:23
eds what about signing adebayor still on loan ,proven goal scorer with numerous clubs in epl, also young player.
addicted to this site for more than 2 years {Ed005's Note - Wouldn't happen until next season but can't see it happening anyway.}
21 Dec 2011 01:42:03
In related news the Daily Mail is in trouble with the FA for recently printing a story referring to Xherdan Shaqiri as the "Swiss Messi" thereby making reference to his cultural heritage in what the FA has determined "racist abuse" by their definitions. The FA are said to be considering an 8 press conference ban on the paper.
Tekneek
Lol...hilarious :D
21 Dec 2011 01:30:10
just gettin my head around this suarez thing. I myself am a life long liverpool fan, now Suarez played for Ajax for around three to four years so you would expect him to know that even in northern europe the words he used would be understood as racist. So its just down to his word over Evra's so with the lack of " HARD EVEADANCE" surly the F.A can't take one word of a footballers over another and hand out a ban and a fine without a third party saying they heard the same thing if he is guilty and said what Evra said then the ban is right and the fine but to convict with out enough proof then surely it cant be given i am outraged that the FA have done this seems to me like its a wave to blatter saying this is how you should do it but i think they have jumped the gun on this. The should be handing this ban to terry really. God Help terry is all i can say if they have proper proff {Ed001's Note - if you read the FA statement, he has been found guilty of misconduct.}
Cheers ed think i my have jumped the gun thanks for the input
I'm struggling with the "one man's word against another" argument I'm seeing in many posts here and in the LFC statement. Is there still some disagreement about what was said? I thought both parties had more or less agreed that the naughty word was "negrito." Has more been alleged, or do we just not know yet?
John from CT
Most of the journos covering the story are implying that the punishment was dished out based primarily on Evra's version of events. For some reason the press seem to think he admitted to saying negrito but I can't find any quotes and there never have been any to the best of my knowledge.
The ban is most likely just the FA posturing in light of recent racially sensitive controversies at FIFA. But, of course, they will now be made a complete show of to the international sports community when they fail to deliver a similar charge to Terry, the darling of London football and centrepiece and captain of the shambles that is the England national football team, when there is overwhelming evidence against him and he committed a more serious crime.
Martin
So is misconduct worthy of a 8 match ban? or is rasical misconduct worthy of a 8 match ban. they are just going about it in a sneaky way.
The culture of the Netherlands (Northern Europe) is also different from that in the UK. People are often referred to by their place of origin.
DM
21 Dec 2011 01:15:56
sorry eds, i have calmed down a bit and realised you probably wont publish my post from earlier, its still a disgrace, i'll just leave out the offensive ditty that went with it.
West Aussie Red.
I am flabbergasted but not really surprised by the FA action. There does appear to be a witch hunt directed at Saurez in my view. The FA seem to have made their decision on the basis that because of the tension of the game Saurez would not have used that word in a friendly manner. I fail to see how they can be sure of this. Evra hassled and abused Saurez throughout the game.....and was made to look a pretty ordinary player. He insulted Saurez in Spanish as well by all accounts. Maybe Saurez was trying to defuse the confrontation by being friendly as he saw it? In the words of the famous song "How can I be sure?"
Without definitive proof ( and it is Evra's word against Saurez's) it was meant to be offensive I fail to see how the FA can decide this........should have been a warning with suspended sentence.
Iggypop
I was same mate,sorry ed
21 Dec 2011 01:09:52
Really don't mean to offend but man this is an utterly life changing moment for luis on such apparent flimsy evidence to be branded a racist for the rest of your life is just terrible and none of us know how mentally strong luis is? Sensitive and delicate as it is at the moment after the terrible end to Gary Speeds life you just don't know how it is going to affect the lad.
Jack the groove
Your on a bad Groove there Jack
Luis suarez is mentally strong definitely. he has the guts to bite a ear off from an opponent so u can assume he has the courage to stand up to false charges and probably will nutmeg evra in the return game at OT
21 Dec 2011 01:08:40
Luis gets a 8 match ban, does he get paid for two months? Mike Ashley wouldn't pay him. (he didnt pay joey barton)
Well this might be a good thing for Luis Suarez. He been going at it full on since the world cup. 2010, he hasnt taken a summer off. Hasn't really rested. He is going to turn into a Torres, if he doens't ease off the pedal alittle.
We have enough striking power to coupe without him. Bellamy, Kuyt, Carroll
It shouldn't be too much of a big deal. Let Suarez take the winter off. Go on holiday and see him in Feburary.
Let Carrol Play for a bit,. The club can handle the fine and everyone can move on.
Whats the point in Appealing this, keeping it going on. Everyone shoule move on.
Its not a good thing.
If we have enough striking power why are we looking for a striker? BTW Luis is our top scorer and Skrtel is tied for 2nd. And you think we're OK with Kuyt, Carroll & Bellamy - 4 goals and 2 missed pens. between them.
Ed. - do we know the time line on the appeal which seems a certainty - can this drag on another 2 months?
Through the Storm {Ed001's Note - it is: An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.
But who knows how long it will take the FA to provide the written reasons?}
I smell a great big Man Utd rat here. Given the time for an appeal, Luis will probably be available for the City games, but the 8 game ban will take him from the appeal past the Utd game making him unavailable.
Maybe we should just accept the ban, let him sit out the 2 Carling cup games and the league game against City and have him back against Utd to put a nail in their league title chasing coffin.
Its not a good thing to be branded a racist Liverpool is a huge club and we should be able to cope without him for eight weeks same as if he is injured but the reality of his life has to be more important than football and why should they have the right to treat him / anyone like that especially to pick and choose who they believe , who they condemn or not they have played judge jury and executioner on the poor boy who by what liverpool statement suggests just gave back the same as he was getting .
21 Dec 2011 01:02:29
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jhonson skrtel agger enrique
bellamy m.sissoko adam downing
suarez
padolski
in
moussa sissoko-10mil
padolski-15mil
out
aurellio-2mil
Who would pay anything for Aurelio?
Chuck Norris
Where is Gerrard in this
21 Dec 2011 01:01:27
Hi eds, sorry to post about the Suarez/ evra thing again was just wondering, if Suarez does indeed decide to appeal do you think the ban will be over turned or reduced? Personally I hope it does but wouldn't you agree the FA has already made up their minds on the matter?
Do you think there is a realistic chance of everything being cleared up?
Ashy {Ed001's Note - it really depends on how far it is able to be pushed and what evidence the decision was based on. If it is just Evra's word, then it will never stand up in a court of law, as guilt has to be proven.}
But Suarez admitted to using the word 'negrito'? So why do they need evidence? He can't suddenly say he didn't say it. Guess it comes down to is the word rascist or not. I say not. Is caucasian a rascist term? I was called it the other day!
Chuck Norris
21 Dec 2011 00:57:41
Maybe big Andy said he heard Luis call Evra somthing racist? That big guy would do/say anything, to get a game.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Can see this becoming a regular thing now, everygame some player of colour coming up with something supposedly said...
Chuck Norris
Blair, thats about the worst post I have read about this issue. I read this page every day and have come to respect most of your opinions. If this was you posting I am surprised and dissapointed.
CovoKenya
Blair, that is beneath your usual standards!
Iggypop
21 Dec 2011 00:53:47
This is what i just sent to the FA
Dear whom it may concern ,
Am writing this as I am absolutely disgraced with how the English Football Association dealt with this Suarez/Evra affair.
Mr Evra admitted that he doesn't think Mr Suarez is a racist also the FA agreed.
So how can you give him a 8 match ban for racism?
He's been here for what 8 months? The term Negrito means little black fella in Uruguay which in his native home is by no means found offensive.
Mr Suarez needs to learn the new culture he has moved to not be punished for doing something he never intentionally meant to do.
Also on top of all this Mr Evra then admitted he insulted Mr Suarez via the Spanish language , and he gets no punishments whatsoever.
Mr Suarez gets kicked about all over the pitch every game , never gets any protection.
Something which also baffles me is the fact that Mr David Gill Manchester United's cheif executive has a high position within the FA which you will denial however its clear for everyone to see that the FA favour Manchester United.
Mr Wayne Rooney blatantly assaulted a Montenegro player which was clear for all to see , yet you stood by him to prove him innocence even though it was clear he assaulted the player unprovoked.
This whole scenario is a joke and something needs to be done before football is ruined.
I look forward to hearing back from you.
Yours sincerely ,
Tom
Do you have the Email Address.
We should all send the FA a Letter.
Just go on "www.theFA.com"
Tom.
The FA made up their own rule to ban Wayne Rooney for swearing, the FA do not favour Manchester United in anyway but they do favour England. How can they appeal a 3 match ban and it get reduced to two it's crazy!
Ed will the 8 match ban be reduced and do you think he will get an additional ban because of what went on at Fulham? {Ed001's Note - I really don't know what will happen with the 8 match ban but the Fulham incident is separate and will be discussed separately.}
What a complete waste of time this letter is!
The letter I sent:-
Dear brick wall
Regarding Luiz Suarez's ban.
No point carring on as no answer will be received
Bruised head
The fulham thing was dropped as no breach on conduct
No, the Fulham thing is still to be heard. Guess luis didn't do himself any favours by doing that as well...
Chuck Norris
21 Dec 2011 00:52:57
Ed001 i had a conversation with you when we first signed Suarez and i wasn't happy about it because of his baggage, but like any player that wears the shirt i will get behind them and support them. Now i just don't know what to think after reading the LFC statement. Ed in your opinion will we appeal the ban? Whats your view on it all Ed?
Jonn {Ed001's Note - we will appeal, Evra has admitted the usage of abuse in terms that are extremely offensive to South Americans but has received no charge. The findings were, according to the club, purely based on Evra's word. It has to be appealed, it is not a solid foundation to base proof of guilt on.}
If what he said was extremely offensive to south americans then he should get the same punishment. even though evra has admitted it without suarez knowing he still said it and with offensive intent.
But it just shows the kind of suarez is over evra. evra knew he said offensive things also yet he only blagged to the press about suarez.
21 Dec 2011 00:45:16
Haha gotta love Mario Ballotelli's tweet: "The FA are willing to ban someone based on one persons claim, with no video evidence? In that case the whole man U squad racially abused me"..... legend
He'll be facing a ban for tweeting that!
Quality
Can you post a link to it though, can't find it...
That is a great tweet , a real personality & sense of humour . I'll look at him with a bit more respect from now .
1977 {Ed001's Note - I am surprised he has time to tweet between handing out cash while dressed as Santa!}
That is a good point Ed001 .
I reckon it is more likely an impersonator with a twitter account , the wording sounds alot like an typical English joke I suppose .
1977
Don't forget Ed001, he likes to celebrate guy fawkes night from the comfort of his own bathroom!
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Class
That's not his real account...
YoungRed
Fake twitter account
21 Dec 2011 00:41:33
Man utd fan come in piece ha. Suarez got banned for reason stop making excuses like fergie influenced it. There was obviously enough evidence if they banned him. Anyway it pity he done tat as i enjoy watching him he fantastic player but he had get banned. Yous will struggle without him tat for sure
Dublin devil
Reason?
Wat reason?
Evra's reason?
PITSILFC
21 Dec 2011 00:39:19
Terry is screwed. Suarez is of mixed race and got a punishment like that with only evras word. The cameras were pointing at Terry when he said what he did to Ferdinand so there can be no mistake about what he said but he's in Even more trouble because he is White and is English Wich automatically makes him racist in this society. I do think Terry is guilty though. But surly breaking so ones leg is worse than miss using a word and all they get is a red card and 3 game ban. I think stamping out violence is more important. And for any one who thinks I am just a racist having a rant. I'm not. I have friends of all races and religions I think it is impotent to stop the racism but people need to realise it works both ways but it is only the White man that can be racist. White people need to realise what is racist language but it's hard because people of different races use the language with each other but it's only racist coming from a White man. Please don't call me ignorant because I do know what if feels like because I feel racialy abused just being a White Englishman. It needs to stop.
See earlier post, if Terry isn't prosecuted by Police the FA cant or if they did try to it would be easily quashed.
Agree aint condoneing but where does it stop?i worked with a Hindu he despised Muslims.Then theres big noes-ist,ginger-ist.jock-ist,wool...DAngerous precident been set here
21 Dec 2011 00:38:54
Do you not think that we are jumping the gun a bit here Would it not be better to wait until the panel release their statement as to why they came to this decision before sending emails, claiming conspiracies etc..?
dmedly
21 Dec 2011 00:36:54
We are a football club. That is Liverpool's business.
Now all this sh1t, and the Fulham case as well, is gonna get in the way of that.
I hope Luis Suarez ****ing calms himself down and keeps a low one from now on. He's a brilliant player but he should concentrate on doing what he does best for the club.
And stop dragging us in to this mire.
As far as I'm concerned, we draw a line under these two incidents and then that's it.
Anymore nonsense out of him, and he can go to Madrid or wherever.
And if he starts acting up whilst he's out, he can make that move even quicker.
The Real KB
Nonsense .
We must fight & fight some more . The passion for our own players is going to make this very interesting .
1977
The club is behind Luis mate - that is why we are all behind him. If the club weren't backing him as strongly as they are, it would be a different situation.
It appears you have cast your own judgement based on prior incidents. The thing is, nobody on here knows all the facts just yet - we can only go by the ruling and LFC's statement.
On that basis - I don't know how you cant support him.
LIVERPRES
The real KB obviously has his own personal issue's. Answer me this KB, if Evra called Carroll a 'big white man' would we even be having this discussion? Does rascism only work one way?
Chuck Norris
21 Dec 2011 00:34:52
What the hell did yawl think was going to happen? This has all been a carefully orchestrated campaign against LFC from the start of the season. Every referee in every game this season has been scandalously bias against LFC. This must be fought in the courts in the UK first & then in Europe. LFC must get a high court injunction to block the FA in this instance. They have shown their hand that they are prepared to go to war against LFC (while they use senior counsel to free Rooney) we need to fight this to the bitter end.
21 Dec 2011 00:34:41
To ed01about Suarez . Do u think he will be sold to real so. And if so how much are real talkin about unless lpool get higuain and a lot of money they can f**k off. Just more bad news we should sell Carroll for whatever money we can and buy a top class partner for Suarez, eds keep saying this won't happen but my mate is a scout for man city and he says lpool are lookin at prolific goal scorers in jan. and who says Suarez would leave us he says he loves the club {Ed001's Note - right now, I really don't think he will go, but who is to say for sure, only he can know the answer.}
21 Dec 2011 00:33:25
its shocking Luis Suarez has been branded a racist + plus people lose him for 8 games.
The FA dragged the whole thing out, then hung him out to dry.
Patrice Evra is nothing than a trouble maker, does anyone remember his world-cup mutiny
Its shocking really.
new starting lineup
Ballemy + Andy Carrol + Kuyt
I thought that Henderson played well in the centre. His natural position i think. 4.-3-3 for the holidays.
Winning it or losing it all comes down to the hoikdays.
I think we have a very good defense at the moment. Middle of the park should hold well.
21 Dec 2011 00:25:53
From
Are the FA right to ban Luis Suarez for eight matches?
Not at all - he shouldn't have been found guilty 42.87%
No - the ban is too long 23.79%
Yes - the verdict is spot on 23.08%
No - the ban is too short 10.25%
The poll is still open
Through the Storm
21 Dec 2011 00:24:07
The FA might be able to charge Suarez and Ban him on just Evras word and some dodgy lip reading.
However i'd love to see Liverpool FC take this to the Supreme British Court and see how there evidence stands up in front of a real judge, not one of Fergies b****s.
The FA have nothing on Suarez, and he has a black grandfather for goodness sakes! Evra has lied before, and he's done it again if you ask me.
I'll quite happily eat my words if it turns out i'm wrong. Innocent until proven guilty. We don't live in the stone ages.
YNWA! (Adam)
Spot on adam.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
21 Dec 2011 00:22:35
I keep hearing people say " its ok he will be found innocent on appeal " I do think the ban will get reduced on appeal but I don't know how he can be found guilty today and then just because he appeals the decision he will be found innocent its not going to work like that in afraid I think we need to accept the ban if it gets reduced then great if not then we need to hope the rest of the team plays well and it doesn't f@#k us up to much
Mat lfc
21 Dec 2011 00:18:51
Unfortunately Suarez has been caught up in the FA v FIFA/Blatter squabble. Blatter's comments about no racism in football and handshakes etc was condemned (rightly so) by the FA. Now the FA are showing FIFA how they deal with such issues. Suarez is just a pawn for the FA to use to attack FIFA and show they have the moral highground.
I think LFC will back Luis all the way but i have a great fear this whole incident will drive him out of LFC and the Premier League. YNWA Luis.
Great most sensible post,just it=a pawn/example in F.A v FIFA,and LFC shouldnt stand for it
21 Dec 2011 00:18:23
hi ed what a joke the fa are. they must now surely have to throw the book at terry. after all there are millions of witnesses to his racist abuse of anton ferdinand. strangely there were none when it came to what luis was meant to have said. what adds insult to injury is the amount of time it took them to reach a decision when everyone knows they had reached a decision before the hearing. i am not surprised we viewed with contempt by fifa and uefa. quick to criticise them and yet totally out of touch and still in the dark ages when it comes to political correctness. racism is no bigger problem in the game than corruption, cheating and bias
stu {Ed001's Note - the problem is the police involvement clouds things with Terry. The FA might yet be unable to act because of them.}
What a convenient let off for Taggart's pets. In the light of Luis's punishment, Terry deserves 20 games banned and £200,000 fine, except that Cappello will cry without his 'talisman' for the Euros, so expect a slapped leg and wagging finger instead. Pathetic cowards.
ND
21 Dec 2011 00:16:09
{Ed001's are you mad? He did not get the fine for racism, as the FA and Evra pointed out, they did not think he was racist, so clearly it was not a punishment for racism.}-
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Do tell me what he's got the ban and fine for then Ed?
G.A.G.U.S {Ed001's Note - misconduct, as it clearly says in the FA statement: An Independent Regulatory Commission has today [Tuesday 20 December 2011] found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suarez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40,000, pending appeal.}
Oh, I was under the impression he was banned and fined for racism! So, the FA has f**ked up again? Typical! Them fookers can do nothing right!
G.A.G.U.S {Ed001's Note - the problem they have is that Evra has admitted using racially motivated abuse to Suarez anyway. They have put themselves in a difficult situation here, unless they charge Evra with using foul and abusive language or possibly misconduct as well. But Evra's use of the term 'Sudaca' is extremely offensive, I am surprised the FA haven't jumped on it, if they are really using this case as a statement to FIFA regarding racism.}
21 Dec 2011 00:06:49
Evidence, where's the evidence?
If Luis goes to Spain, I wouldn't blame him.
The premier league is overrated.
I shall follow him to Spain and watch some decent football.
Rather than Johnny long ball kick about.
English football is a joke. They won't win a Euro thing this season,or next.
Man City have at least some idea.
Back into the 1960's dark ages.
The FA should be abolished.
21 Dec 2011 00:05:43
For any talksport listeners, Stan Collymore has backed the FA panel saying that they must have good reason for deciding the penalty.
I've listened to him over the years saying many controversial things on all sorts of subjects, and just laughed most of it off even when he was just being an annoying bully for entertainment.
But after Collymore adding to this case of playing the race card against an innocent man and tarnishing his name with filth, I will never again listen to a single word that man ever broadcasts again, and I would ask others to do the same.
This is absolutely unforgivable.
He should stick to dogging and beating up girlfriends,i use to like stan,but after listening to him and that shoite cundy on talksport they can all feckoff,
wait till tomorrow at 4pm when adrian durham will kick off about luis,i really hope luis dosent leave us i will be gutted,ynwa suarez, {Ed001's Note - I never respected him, he couldn't be bothered to turn up to training most of the time, was always claiming bad traffic etc. When Roy Evans told him to move, Moores told him not to worry about it and so it carried on. He was a waste of a talent and a complete knob.}
Talks e it should be named,and Durham talks the most daily.Mans a moron.He ll love this,always slags us as it is
21 Dec 2011 00:04:03
Id like to get Tshirts made up with Luis doing his 'Fulham salute' to the FA and a slogan saying 'Fight Corruption in Football'
Fantastic idea,theyd go a bomb.Could donate cash to h.Boro ongoing campaign
21 Dec 2011 00:03:17
Lfc & Suarez should counter this FArcical punishment with a defamation of character lawsuit... the £40,000 fine will be peanuts to a succesful claimant win
Gordon Taylor was on sky stating that he tried to get both parties together so this would not have happened but he couldnt get them to agree
This is the fallout from blatter gate...the fa have to be seen to be hard on racism in football but they have imo picked the wrong case to jump on
Evra was booked in the match in question & im not stating it as fact but something ive read online,he told the ref that he was booking him because he is black ...if this is true what a total disgrace he is
20 Dec 2011 23:59:24
Strong rumour from Stamford Bridge. Both Raul Meireles & Fernando Torres are both regretting joining Chelsea in light of the punishment given to Luis Suarez. Both are said to be on tender hooks in case John Terry has 2 months off with nothing to do. Unofficial sources within the Bridge have confirmed both Raul & Fernando have asked their wives to leave the capital until John Terry is playing again and with their sight.
Scouse Pride
Very Good.
Sam armchair
20 Dec 2011 23:58:48
Although upset as all the rest of Liverpool fans are we should let the club do what is needed to clear Suarez name, the clubs statement is a fantastic and very strong signal of there intentions and will not be the last.
Over the coming days things will move at a rapid pace with legal teams working on behalf of the club and Suarez preparing the fight back to clear Suarez. I honestly believe the FA will live to regret there decision and that Suarez will be cleared of all charges. Any decent legal team will rip the evidence to shreds.....
The Grand wizard...
Problem is it is not a court of law. The FA will decide what they think is best. I dont see Suarez winning on appeal because the FA are corrupt.
Yeah , but they are answerable to the Law and Natural Law of (fair proceedure, presumption of Innocence etc.). Appeal fail-> High Court -> appeal Supreme Court-> Lawyers will make a packet but by the time its all through Luis will be in Spain as unfortunately I dont think we will have him for much longer than 2 years. I wouldn't blame him if he went in January given what the FA and Fergie have conjured up.
Must take this as high as we can legally.Wether football body wise or other
20 Dec 2011 23:57:00
you should all be ashamed of yourselves for giving luis suarez any ban let alone the 8 match ban which you have imposed , i find it completely disgraceful of you to not take into account the language barrier that luis suarez has at the moment and the completely different culture he is from ...he gets no protection at all from the referees in this country, as he gets kicked all over the park every game and also the likes of alex ferguson accusing luis "of diving all over the place" have just added fuel to the fire ..but hey ...mr ferguson has a huge influence on your organisation dosent he ...this was just a misunderstanding and misinterpretation by two players in the biggest game on the planet and could of been defused quite easily by the two parties coming out and saying ..look this was just a mix up of words ...shake hands ...end of ..! ps i feel sorry for john terry now because he will have to be banned for over a 12 month or your all going to look pathetic........
this is what i sent to the fa
20 Dec 2011 23:53:02
cut and pasted from wiki the word negro used in other languages....
In Spain, Mexico and almost all of Latin-America, negro (note that ethnonyms, names of nationalities, etc. are generally not capitalized in Romance languages) means "black person" in colloquial situations, but it can be considered to be derogatory in other situations (as in English, "black" is often used to mean irregular or undesirable, as in "black market/mercado negro"). However, in Spanish-speaking countries such as Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay where there are few people of African origin and appearance, negro (negra for females) is commonly used to refer to partners, close friends[13] or people in general independent of skin color. In Venezuela the word negro is similarly used, despite its large African descent population.
no one nows for sure yet what word he said (if any?)
but If suarez did use that word when speaking with evra.
how can a spanish speaking south american of MIXED RACE HIMSELF speaking broken english use the word negro (which means friend in his native language) be racist?
He used the word negrito not negro
The word he used was allegedly "negrito."
The suffix "ito" in Spanish means "little."
Matt S -YNWA
20 Dec 2011 23:51:57
I'm furious with the FA, just like everyone else.
I was not sure of the outcome and wait for more of the detail to be open to greater public scrutiny (despite the eventual outcome) as I question the subjectivity of the judgement and clear personal reputational impact that the decision will have on an individual forever more. The fervent taunts from opposition fans will drive out the player as a result of this and the club - if the decision is found to be flawed should consider external legal action against the FA. This is just MY opinion, but I think its a pragmatic judgement, based upon one SINGLE premise, Suarez has been presumed guilty on the basis of phrasial intonation; circumstance and preferred outcome, not innocent, as no other direct evidence can be substantiated...
Just a point of view,
Suffolk n'red
20 Dec 2011 23:50:46
It appears that the FA discounted the 'Negreto' remarks apparently made by Suarez because some United players were using the same terminology. So that leaves the remark that Suarez was supposed to have uttered in the penalty area - without Evra having any witnesses or evidence to the incident.
Whilst I don't go in for all the comments made about Evra being unreliable due to a previous incident where he made accusations that were (also) not substantiated, I have to wander if the FA have now set themselves up for a big fall?
The next time there is an issue of racist remarks and there is no corroborating evidence, how are they going to act, having set this precedent?
It opens the flood doors for any vindictive player to make accusations against others knowing the burden of proof lies on the accused! What a mess the FA have made.