Liverpool Banter Archive December 21 2014

21 Dec 2014 23:02:08
Tbh thought we played amazing today and well say fair enough to BR - have been very critical of him but has found a unique formation that seems to be working a lot better. Had sturridge played today would have put them to bed. Still unsure about marko and Hendo as WB as think they have a lot to offer in their preferred roles.

Still can't defend though, everyone wants to blame the formation or 3 at the back but watch the goals. First goal arsenal won 3 headers in a row and skrtel losing to debuchy just isn't exceptable and just didn't pick him up. Same with their second 3 CBs around Giroud yet no one near him or there to block the pass. Just basic errors which took away from a fantastic offensive performance.

Also why can't coutinho shoot!? Baffles me someone so talented who has so much skill in every other area. If he could get more clinical and consistent genuinely think he would be one of the leagues best players.

22 Dec 2014 01:01:27
Phil should have had a hat trick

I think there is a small problem with his technique when shooting. He always drags his shot to the left almost as if he hits with the inside of his boot even when shooting from long distances.

21 Dec 2014 18:53:15
Obvious we played better today and the formation is working slightly, what is missing is a fit Danny studge or a similar goal scorer. We can't put mario in as he is so static and we won't have the same type of flow and movement same goes for lambert.

I also think borini has player maybe his last game if Brendan gets his wish and sells him freeing us up some cash if possible for a striker.

Eds or EMS have you seen laczette play before? Or would you look a Torres coming in if borini and mario go?

{Ed002's Note - Lacazette won't be moving in January.}

21 Dec 2014 21:49:40
Jackson Martinez?

{Ed002's Note - If someone pays the money, then he will move.}

21 Dec 2014 11:55:42
General question for all reds and Ed001 if he wants to answer.

If for example we was going to play Everton on the 24th of dec, And Man Utd on the 26th of dec, Knowing it would ruin your Christmas.

If you had to lose 1 win 1 (no option of winning both) who would you beat and who would you lose too.

Personally i'd Beat Utd and lose to Everton as 1- I don't live in Liverpool so wouldn't have to face the Blues fans and 2- i'd rather lose to Scousers than Mancs.

{Ed001's Note - I would beat Everton, as otherwise the blue noses in my family as insufferable!!}

As Lauren said when asked who was better out of T.Henry and Begkamp, "that is like choosing between your son and daughter"

{Ed001's Note - not when you have to spend Xmas day with bluenoses.....}

21 Dec 2014 12:57:41
Man UTD all the way. Everton would always remain a small club regardless of any outcome.
English Football was all about Liverpool and UTD

Everton just so davey boy blue has a rubbish christmas and can't sit at home beating it to an everton win on MOTD highlights. Most UTD fans that come on here are rather respectful I've found, DBB is just vermin though

21 Dec 2014 13:35:28
Bob

He might have it already. They were terrible against saints yesterday. Well beaten.

21 dec 2014 18:08:27
united. every day of the week. i'd rather beat chelsea than everton.
the bluenoses are nothing really

21 Dec 2014 18:35:02
Yeah United for me too. Would rather beat a prestigious club than a nobody club.

I'm in foreign lands so United all the way. If back home then Everton.

UTD all day. Everton? The less said, the better about that jealous lot.

I think we're all jealous of the poor signings you guys have made over the last 5 years or so.

"If you spend over £100 million, then you should be challenging for the title"

21 Dec 2014 10:45:03
Hi eds and fellow reds,

What and were have all these torres rumours come from? I was a massive fan of his in the re d shirt and it gutted me that he left but why bring him back? I know we're in the crap in the striking department but is he the answer we need? Plus also read that balotelli is off to napoli in jan that wouldn't be a bad thing

21 Dec 2014 11:56:12
It would make no sense to Sell Balletolli and get Torres.

Why on earth would we need another basket case. If we need anything it's a goalie and a striker who's on fire, not one who is long past his sell by date. He was brilliant for us once upon a time, let's just enjoy the memories and look forwards.

Ignoring the acrimonious circumstances in which he left our club: he is well past his best as a player and nowhere near good enough - why on earth would we want him back?

We are already hamstrung by injured and misfiring strikers. Why would we be interested in a complete and total has-been who will b off to retirement in 2 yrs?

21 Dec 2014 09:47:53
Not sure what the rumours about Delph are all about. Great little player but he is just like Henderson. We already have Hendo, Can, Allen, Lallana, Coutinho and Gerrard capable of playing a central midfield role and Delph is too rash to be a holding midfielder and not creative enough to be an attacker. Maybe if we do a swap deal for Joe Allen it makes sense as he'd be a good impact sub with his energy and also a good cover option for Hendo.

I don't see the point in bringing more of the same. We need to bring in a defensive midfielder and a pass master.

Red Rum

21 Dec 2014 10:19:37
Red Rum

You got it. And we need two real quality signing.

He ain't a bad DM though

Have to agree with you both. He is not needed.
I remember seeing him at Elland Road a few times (Dads a Leeds season ticket holder). He did look the business then and thought he would go on to bigger things.

21 Dec 2014 11:00:16
The first thing we need to do is get some proper quality between the sticks

Delphs a poor player

Will never be a first teamer and, if signed, will just be denying any youth the chance of coming through. We should steer clear.

IMO, we don`t need to buy any player EXCEPT if someone leaves (Lucas, Balo, or Migs) or if there is a need. We might need a goalie or striker BUT I doubt BR will get any money due to his dreadful record in the TW.

21 Dec 2014 07:57:25
Hi eds,

I remember either ed001 or Ed002 saying that we won't be signing a "replacement" for lucas over the summer because Can is the replacement. However, I don't think Can has even played a single minute there, and so, do you think Rodgers will sign another DM who is creative enough when we have the money?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Lucas will at some point leave (January or the summer) but Liverpool are not looking at a direct replacement for him at this time.}

That's what we do now, sell our most important players and never replace them. Ie. Suarez.

You would have to question the logic of a manager who wants to sell the only centre midfielder that we have who can play the midfield anchor effectively.

It's no shock that of the games he has played we look a lot tighter as a derensive unit, just look at the Man U game, was dropped to make way for Allen and we looked weak and ineffective.

I hope Rogers is shipped out before this ghastly mistake is made.

{Ed002's Note - You don't seem to be grasping the situation at all.}

21 Dec 2014 10:09:57
BS

Where were all these people when Lucas was warming the bench for GERRARD whole last season.

Lucas himself would be surprised to see the fake love here. He was booed by the KOP once when subbed for Alonso. He was never good enough at the Mascherano era.
Was always the first list of Sale.

Unbelievable love.

If I remember rightly Can was signed as Lucas replacement. Also it would be great to see Rossiter be in the first team squad more. Don't get me wrong I do like Lucas but people over react so badly.

21 Dec 2014 10:22:00
Mighty

You are mistaken mate. There is no love for Lucas here. They just need some names to take down BR.
CAN is latest for not getting games. None would give a damm if we were wining games.

{Ed001's Note - Lucas is one of my faves Harry.}

If Lucas goes he goes. I feel Can is an adequate replacement. Lucas return coincided with playing stoke, leicester and Sunderland, So I would expect us to look better, he looked terrible vs Basel though.

21 Dec 2014 12:02:18
@ Passion.

You know Lucas played the majority of league games until January last season at DM and we were top of the league on Christmas Day? And Gerrard was only tried at DM in the first place because Lucas was unavailable against Stoke (can't remember if it was injury or suspension)?

And you remember that the next game Lucas had to come on at half time and Gerrard be pushed forward a little because we weren't getting a kick in midfield, and that probably would've been the status quo for the rest of the season had Lucas not gotten injured again in that game?

Some people have strange memories. The season ran from August to May, not mid-January to May.

21 Dec 2014 12:03:04
Heard on here that we are not looking to replace him with a DM but a player who can create from the back.

I've loved lucas from day1, even when he was hated like Allen is now.
He loves liverpool, same as agger.
2 class men we should be proud to have represent us.

I don't think Can is an adequate replacement at all. He played DM earlier in the season (can't remember who we were facing) and he looked lost. That's not to say he couldn't improve but right now getting rid of Lucas would be a bad move unless we are looking to bring in a top quality DM.

Red Rum

21 Dec 2014 11:43:39
Ed01.

I know that mate, You a fan of everyone except Allen. lols

Bob

Spot on. We had two men holding against Basel and Lucas was torn apart by the pacy Basel attackers. Some here has no clue on the game and just throw random names up down and center.

All they believe is one JOE ALLEN change is all left for the Title.

{Ed001's Note - I like Allen, he just doesn't fit our team.}

Sorry is this the same harry? because i remember many people who like lucas here.

21 Dec 2014 12:00:42
I know that Ed01, you are the only one who lives everyone. Lols

Bob

Spot on mate. We had two holding players against Basel and Lucas was turned apart by the Basel players.
All they believe is we are short of the title by one Joe Allen change.
We need a CM and a DM boy top class

Ed01/033
Got some probs with my PC as I couldn't send post through it. Anything wrong with the IP

{Ed001's Note - it came through fine, both times.}

21 Dec 2014 12:54:04
Something Red

Am sorry mate, But you need to check your memory, As It was Gerrard injured and Lucas got a run in the team.
We played with Lucas holding and Hendo and Allen either side of a diamond and ripped Spurs all over.
When Gerrard came back from Injury Lucas went back to the bench and this VERY OWN page had no issued with it.

Like Lucas, I love Agger But wouldn't want him back at the club These things happens in football

21 Dec 2014 13:40:30
Rather than argue over our respective abilities to recall last season, I'd thought I'd check. Takes less than five minutes if you know were to look. I counted four League matches out of twenty between the start of the 2013-14 season and the 1st of January that Lucas didn't start.

Allen was actually the one out of the team until Gerrard got injured, and then Gerrard's first start back on the 12th of Jan coincided with Lucas being unavailable, so he was moved to DM. Gerrard's second game as DM was against Villa, he was moved out of there at half time because he wasn't getting a kick. Only for the fact that Lucas got injured against Villa after coming on at HT, he probably would've been back in the starting line up until the end of the season.

The last time I can remember a significant portion of Liverpool fans not rating Lucas, Roy Hodgson was the manager. So I don't think there's any fake love going on, or was there any failure on the part of Liverpool fans to criticise BR for dropping Lucas last season, because there was a run of half a dozen games at most near the end of the season where he didn't play when available.

21 Dec 2014 13:42:16
Rather than ragging on Lucas, claiming he has/had no effect and referencing last season. You have to take into account how potent our attack was and the impact that had on the opposition. We dominated and scored plenty on a consistent basis, this meant teams had to sit back rather than try and control and dig away at us. And when they did we had plenty on the transition or were already 3-4 goals up which certainly helps.

Prior to Lucas' initial knee injury he was an absolute monster in that role, remember when he dominated Yaya? I bet you thought he was top notch then. Lucas offers so much to us even if he has lost a yard of pace, his reading of the game and tactical know how far outweighs Gerard's and his ability to spray a ball around. Lucas moves it on quickly rather than waiting for there to be a 'Hollywood ball' on half the time. Ended up ranting a bit here, but Lucas doesn't deserve some of the critiscm he gets.

I don't remember a poor performance from Can the only game I can think of was Hull where he played or chalesea. (That I saw) he did ok in both games, reading up, he played vs QPR but I wasn't able to watch that game so can't comment. From what i've seen he can play the DM role well. I think I'd personally prefer him there, with the chance to get forward when the game offers it.