Liverpool Banter Archive July 21 2013

21 Jul 2013 22:01:10
Why oh why did Rodgers spout on about competion for places ie the goalkeeper, took pepe out for a dinner to explain all this etc. why tell us a pack of lies, just tell the truth, ok there's financial constraints to be considered but just be straight forward and don't lie to us we can understand it but if you tell lies about you will lose the support from the fans a lot quicker!

I personally think are transfers will balance this season, the flourish of transfers at the start of the season was covered by the Andy Carroll transfer. There will no more transfers until luis goes and when he does we will spend what will come in for him and we will have broken even in the transfer market and reduced the wage bill in the last couple of years significantly, which is fine except for the smoke and mirrors from the club. Personally I would prefer the truth!

Nevaroo

Situations change, maybe Mignolet has turned out better than they expected and they don't see the need to have Reina as 2nd choice?

I know, the owners, ayre and rodgers are not helping themselves or the club by lying, it severly damages respect and all the fans want is peaceof mind

Anonymous woolback

Guys, Reina wants out unfortunately the bids to buy him have either not been forthcoming or not meeting the valuation either way he does not want to stay that has been made clear.

BR made it clear from the start we need quality through out the team to create competition for places obviously this takes time to build the squad where we have multiple players to compete for each position and I believe BR has done great job so far combining talent and youth (first manager to utilise youth system) since Stevie came through. And times are looking good for our young players :)

In terms of additional players coming in BR has stated we are looking to bring additional players in to strengthen the first team, I would prefer to hear nothing till we make the signing as media frenzy usually makes the players prices go up.

Give BR a break 2nd season will see the making of his dreams and plans come to the fore. top 4 is this seasons goal I am happy with our current progress.

Jules in Australia

When I saw Rogers say Liverpool wanted competition in the GK area I instantly thought "rubbish".

At the time Barcelona were interested in Reina but their interest cooled when Valdes decided to see out the last year of his contract. The quotes about competition for places were to say to Barca that we didn't need to sell and to raise the price.

What I think the fans need to realise is that the stuff that goes on the website is not only to the fans, but there are agendas that are put across too. Don't believe everything you read. think if there is a reason behind the quotes before taking them as gospel. These lies are little white lies that will benefit the club so long as the fans don't get rustled.

B101

22 Jul 2013 07:32:34
Situations change, maybe Mignolet has turned out better than they expected and they don't see the need to have Reina as 2nd choice?

What a rubbish. situation changed in 10 days?
MIngolet played only one game for us. Just one game.
BR doesn't have a clue what's going on inside.
What was he talking to Reina when they had a dinner together?.

21 Jul 2013 20:59:04
football has changed, just look at chelsea/man u/ man c and abroad barca/madrid/bayern/psg they are the top teams and the 1 and only reason is money. milan used to be the best run club for many years that stopped 3 years ago when berlusconi started giving less money. dortmund build a good team and got were they wanted to be and now they will fall apart because the teams with money will buy their best players. we need to extend the ground asap, that's the only way we get back. let's say we buy 2/3 young players and they became stars we would have to sell them. we can build a team to get were we want to be but we can not keep them unless we generate more money.
money does not solve all problems but teams like manc/psg and chelsea will buy the best players including ours. we are 1 of the biggist clubs in the world but we will stay were we are without a bigger ground. buys like alberto/aspas could work out but, toure is a clever buy but we need to strenghten the back. our problems were at the back last season going forward we were fine malta

No ac milan were well run until they did what we were doing under hicks and gillette- spending beyond our means and handing out stupid wages to a huge squad we didn't need. that's what broke milan.

Anonymous woolback {Ed001's Note - all caused by Silvio Berlusconi.}

Now it seems AC Milan are doing something similar to us with their youth system and buying young quality homegrown players.

To the OP,
You can take Barca and MU out of your list. Both these teams used their youth systems to get them to the top. The clubs have spent big over the last however many seasons due to their success. It didn't start out like that.

MUSHROOM

21 Jul 2013 20:57:24
ive heard suarez has agreed to sign a new deal with no champions league release clause init which means he will be allowed to leave next season if we fail to qualify for CL again

Is it? Look how we did after chistmas, when we brought in coutinho & sturridge.

We get off to a good start we will be much closer.

BR has improved our home form, we had massive wins away, scored more goals & played attacking exciting football.

If he can improve our defending (especially at corners) and improve results against the top teams we will be in the mix for 4/5th.

And remember there is a long way to go in this transfer window yet.

Jimbob

For free? no release clause means we we are not obliged to sell at any price.

Hmm. No clue if this rumor is true or not, but frankly I'd be a little PO'd if he gets an improved contract in terms of wages and a new clause allowing him to leave easier, particularly since he's going to be banned for 10-15% of the season.

21 Jul 2013 20:51:09
"RDL, United started to get success by spending big on players, they are now self sufficient, and this helps sustain success as I said earlier"

Smithy, not sure how far back you'd go to validate this, but assuming I haven't fat-fingered something it looks to me like since the 1990-91 season (2 prior to to the Premier beginning when I'd personally say United's success really began), we've spent -342.4M on transfers, they've spent -310.4M. So, it's not that they've spent more than us (quite the opposite) just that they've largely spent more wisely I think.

The last window and this one are for the first time in quite a while I've seen what I think are prudent moves in a positive direction. Sturridge, Coutinho, Aspas, Toure, and to a slightly less extent, Mignolet are, for me, absolutely excellent acquisitions at very good prices. I think Alberto may also fall in that category longer term although I do think perhaps we paid a bit more than we might should have. My point is it looks to me like things are moving in very much a positive direction so I prefer to look at the glass as half-full rather than half-empty.

You clearly haven't watched minolet play very often

Not sure if you think I'm over or underrating Mignolet? Personally I think he's a very good keeper and I'm happy to have him. I do think we perhaps paid maybe 1-2M more than we should have, but we wanted him and he wasn't necessarily for sale, so it is what it is- that's what I meant by 'slightly less extent' bit.

Oh RDL - your lack of knowledge is amazing - United's success started with the freak time when a number of their youth squad got games for the first team, and blew Alan Hansens words " you win nothing with kids " out of the water- Beckham, Giggs, Neville, Scoles, Butt etc.
Their continued success has been to maintain that core of players, and at the same time spend very big money on players ( often breaking the British transfer record ) to fine tune from season to season, with no wholesale changes.

21 Jul 2013 20:48:35
Apparently Napoli had 30 mil bid for Higuain accepted. Guess that free's up additional funds for Reall Madrid to make Suarez offer? Praze FC

21 Jul 2013 20:37:12
Reinas exit, what BR is saying pretty much reads as, we have had to look at the amount paid to out keeper and address, I.e. get shot of him and bring in someone who costs less per week. So all this competition malarkey was nonsense, it's more trimming.

This transfer window is shocking, we need strength in depth and have brought in players no better than those we have released or sold, is our squad any larger or better? No, are we likely to start this season in better shape? No!

And the borini apologists, stop, he really is a disappointment and I will openly state now that he will not even hit 6 goals this season.

Pity you never signed your post so we can see if your right or wrong

Openly state? Leave a name then!
However, I agree. 6 league goals max! I'm all up for supporting and encouraging young players but come on! Serious lack of talent there.

Redsmeister

21 Jul 2013 20:38:04
I for one am happy with the squad we have at the momment.We have some really good individuals that are on par with all other stars in the BPL.Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge, Agger.Lucas, Gerrard even Johnson and Enrique are players that if played on the right position will cut it in any of the other 10 teams in the upper part of the table.
We have some of the brightest tallents in the league too in the face of Sterling, Wisdom, Ibe, Henderson and Rossiter.
Give a look to the new boys too Aspas mostly is a player that may suprise a few this season and you can see this from his desire on the pitch, he is like Bellamy without the problems he had!
And still some people are unhappy which makes me sad.We are supporters for a reason in good and bad we should mourn when we fail and cheer up when we win but we should allways stick with the team no matter what, I don't believe that there are people thinking we don't play the most beutiful and dinamic football in the league atleast in the second half of the last season.
There is no reason to go on witchhunt over Brendan and FSG because he said it himself few times.There will be good and bad and it will take time to build the foundation of a future success.
We are red trough and trough and we should be proud with our club whatever happens.I for one will be behind the club whatever happens.I was behind the team even trough Hodgson and I think noone wants to go back there again.
Please people be positive and lovely supporters because that can only empower our future stars even more!

Cheers!

Well said mate, we do need a few more maybe but I'm sure we will improve again this year with the guys brought in.

Sorry what you say about our squad is wishful thinking. Alberto, aspas are totally unproven in the BPL and to a certain extent were not great successes in Spain. They may come good but there is no way you can say they definitely will. I for one believe That BR is doing his best on a limited budget compared to the top 5 and we need to adjust our ambitions accordingly. We finished 7th last year and I think having Sturridge and Countinho for the whole season will get us 6th. can we overtake spurs/arsenal - at the moment no (maybe if spurs lose Bale). The fact that I remain to be convinced about the signings does not mean I will not be supporting LFC any less when the 11 are on the pitch.

21 Jul 2013 20:33:52
Reading reports on this site seems like most have lost faith in Suarez now which is understandable and with him and PR leaving.no champions league and slim chance of attracting high profile players I feel we are miles from a top four finish.

21 Jul 2013 20:22:01
Top 4, no chance! Were going to win the league!

That would still be top 4

LOL. great response

21 Jul 2013 20:07:50
Hi there is there any interest in Bafetimbi Gomis with Liverpool? Keep up the G8 work {Ed019's Note - Nope}

Thanks for the update . Brendon

21 Jul 2013 19:58:30
Jorginho and llori are the two new exciting signings that BR was talking about, that guy cracks me up lol

And you all thought you had a chance of getting middling players like HM, Eriksen, and Bernard.

Mignolet, Aspas, Toure, Alberto, llori, Jorginho and rhe icing on the cake Suarez sold to Arsenal

Top six no chance!

Dsney! {Ed019's Note - So funny hahahaha. You should become a comedian Disney}

Get in there ed019.kyb.

At least spell your name right lol

Swallybean

Ed019, the OP isn't actually me, it's an imposter. However I agree that you have little chance of a top six spot next season.

Disney! {Ed019's Note - Ok cheers Disney I'll watch out for his IP in the future, can't be having imposters on here}

Lets talk about all your targets that have turned you Disney. Sorry not enough time in the day enjoy.

In fairness the fake disney and the real disney are both pretty accurate, no strength and certainly no depth also BR openly saying the reason to get rid of reina was prior to signing a new keeper and fincial, I.e. we can't afford him

The last 11 games of the 2012/13 season we acquired 22 pts, only two teams that got more were Arsenal and Chelsea at 26pts.

If we can keep Mignolet, Sturridge, Coutinho, Gerrard, Lucas, Aggar, Johnson and Toure fit for most of season will be the initial start.

Henderson will better again this year.
Allen will be better again this year.
Stirling will be better again this year.

The rest we have are good squad players.

We have no European footy to stifle mid weak preparations, unlike Spurs, and Arsenal - I think we can seriously push on and challenge for 4th. Not easy but we can do it!


Starts with three points against Stoke - for goodness sake, please stop all the negativity!

Stato
YNWA

21 Jul 2013 23:14:59
More towards the fact that last season he wasn't worth his wages by a long way I'd expect.

Alvy

Although both Disneys are DH's it's true we have no chance of top 4. We needed to push on this window and catch up with the other teams but instead we've wasted our money on average players. We needed a world class CB like Dede and a top wide player to replace Downing in the mould of say Sanchez. The boat has passed now IMO we've spent up and will have to wait till Jan unless Real come in for Suarez

21 Jul 2013 19:49:44
i think ed052 is brilliant allways has time for a nice reply, and seems sincere.reminds me of the good old days on football rumours.in no way am I detracting the great work from the other eds.just wanting to pay homage to ed052.kyb.

21 Jul 2013 23:19:19
He only abuses people who deserve the abuse, unlike the abuse he seems to receive.
All of the eds are pretty fantastic tbh. they spend a lot of time doing this for no real reward

Alvy

21 Jul 2013 19:00:18
I've just had a thought. Most of us fans like to think were a patient & supportive bunch and like to give our new players who haven't hit the ground running, the benefit of the doubt to deliver the goods i.e Lucas and Henderson. Two players who without nurturing would have left and now are important pieces in the 'jigsaw' so can't we afford the same to the guys in suits? Yes FSG/Ian Ayre and to a lesser extent Brendan have made mistakes by their own admission but instead of chastising them let's give them some backing instead of i.e vitriolic abuse of Linda Pizzuti on twitter (shameful cowardice). We can't buy top of the range Ferraris but sometimes a mix of BMW's, Honda's, Ford's, Chrysler's, Toyota's and Mercedes Benz are good enough to get us top 4 and then we can dream of the F1 Mclaren's, Ferraris etc. Ian Ayre is not my favourite believe me but he's a well respected business executive in the Far East and Middle East and maybe signing footballers isn't his forte but maybe he's
a quick learner? Guy's I know you want to win the Champions League and Premiership today but let's give the suits one more season at least

21 Jul 2013 18:03:46
Anyone know if there's going to be another series of "Being Liverpool" this season? Quite enjoyed it last year.

No but there has been a 'Being Barcelona' confirmed for filming could be interesting!

21 Jul 2013 17:55:35
Reina is going out on loan and after that will end up at either Barcelona or Athletico Madrid, either way he has played his last game for Liverpool, better you accept it now and move on, mignolet is our number 1 now

Ack17

This is a bit depressing, as he stayed with us through good and bad times, all the best to him and if it is napoli I hope knocks juve off the top spot.kyb.

And thank god for that! Reina has been awful since his arsenal move fell through. We need a united squad and for me he's wanted out for a long time.good riddance I say.

Bit harsh no? Pepe as bad as he has been last few years is still better than most, and after 8years service. will always have my respect and a place in my heart- sometimes a change is as good as the rest, good luck lad you'll never walk alone

21 Jul 2013 17:54:28
We are currently in the market for 3 players.

-A left back for cover/competition
-A centre back for cover/competition
-An attacking forward for competition

We have little funds to purchase players however with Reina, Coates, Pacheco, Spearing and Assaidi off the books we could still afford 3 decent players.

- Ryan Bertrand
- Jannik Vestergaard
- Keisuke Honda

All three would be available for less than £20m in total.

Red Rum

Not one of them would get in any of the top 5 teams. {Ed001's Note - Bertrand does get into one fairly often, so you are talking nonsense.}

Would be great if Honda hadnt already signed for Milan {Ed001's Note - he hasn't yet.}

27 league games in 3 seasons for Bertrand.

If he was good enough for Chelsea's first team he won't be sold. {Ed001's Note - he isn't being sold and 3 seasons is hardly fair on a lad coming through the youth system at a club with plentiful money. Getting that many games in that time, is suggestive of a player with a good future.}

Honda will eventually go to AC milan and Bertrand doesn't want to leave Chelsea. They see him as the replacement for Cole so that deal doesn't seem likely.

You do realize Bertrand was in the starting 11 for the Chelsea team that won the CL final, right?

I don't want to sign Bertrand but it annoys me when you see people cherry picking stats which clearly don't reflect reality.

3 seasons of PL matches pulled there to suit your point but 70% of those appearances were all in the season just gone. He made 19 PL appearances last season so that's exactly half the games and you ignored this as it didn't suit your argument. You're better off not signing your posts with rubbish stats like that.

21 Jul 2013 17:47:14
BR is a joke not to say a jerk. This guy can't keep his mouth shut. and every time he talks, it's pure nonsense and he ends up contradicting himself amid the Pepe Reina move and the Suarez issue to name a few. BR visibly lacks the charisma of a Kenny or a Houiller or a Benitez. and I believe he isn't anywhere in the same league as these guys though many will bring forward the fact how King Kenny wasted loads of money on new signings. At least these people brought LFC some silverware. BR talks too much and he's not even taken seriously by many. Hope he succeeds in his job though. which is to finish in the top four which ha has openly and defiantly admitted. God save our club!

Charisma Dalglish Benitez ha what were you ever watching.

Kopping a feel

Houllier had charisma. lol?

Ha you been on the wacky baccy again, just be patient, and watch our great team rise once more .
redforever

21 Jul 2013 23:25:55
Sorry mate, but I prefer to class the league cup as sterling silverware as opposed to anything of any real worth

21 Jul 2013 17:12:46
Hiya eds. According to some sources Liverpool have agreed personal terms with christian eriksen ahead of a possible £18mil move. Since all the transfers so far have been funded by sales and the the wage money that they have after reina's departure I reckon Liverpool are in a good position to push for him (thats is they ayre and br get suarez to stay one more season). I would love to see this move happen. any truth in these rumours at all eds? And do you know anything on the shaqiri situation eds? Thanks in advance for anything you know. {Ed052's Note - We haven't agreed a fee for Eriksen, and we have no interest in Shaqiri. Please don't send in repeat posts, or you'll be banned}

Nice one ed

21 Jul 2013 16:51:08
I'm going to try something a bit different, I'm going to look at some of the players supposedly up for transfer and see what would have to be done to make a success story of them. If you don't like it please say so and I won't do anymore on this topic.

1. Pepe Reina, let's be honest guys he's wanted to go for quite a while and unless we get champions league this season he's as good as gone, permanently though next season. He's a great goalie but with the wages he's on if his hearts not in it he's of no use to us.

2. John Flanagan, he's a good young player and I love his passion, but he doesn't have the pace or positioning for rb, the only other position I could see for him is dm, with his tackling, stamina and some work on his positioning he could be a great dm for us, I would try this out in the U21's and if it doesn't work then sell him.

3. Martin Skrtel: The lads a beast but there are questions over his attitude, he also isn't so great fitting into our new system, I would give him another season working on fitting into the system, his passing and also composure and see how he is towards the end of the season.

4. Sebastian Coates: The lad lacks concentration, positioning, strength and more noticeably pace. He is tall but doesn't have strength or pace, maybe if we do some serious work on his positioning he could become a useful player for us, he also needs to beef up in the gym. He also seems to panic when people run at him so work on his confidence. I hope we make a success of him though as with the right development he could become a top player.

Lil Red

Skrtel looks like a "beast" but plays like a "pussy"

The real AG

You make Coates sound absolutely useless and then you finish by saying "he could become a top player"? Flanagan isn't good enough and 500k offers or above should be listened too, imo. Skrtel, imo, needs to go too so that we can buy someone better who does suit us and I agree with Ag he is actually a pussy

21 Jul 2013 16:43:05
A lot of rumours being sent around about Eriksen & Alderweireld moving to us for a reported 22M, do you know of this being true? Thanks {Ed052's Note - This has been around for 6 weeks, incorrectly}

21 Jul 2013 16:29:00
Hey Eds

A question for you, if you have the time or inclination to answer please?

Do you know why we are loaning reina out?

Obviously I understand that we don't want a player on 100k per week warming the bench. However are there really no buyers out there for one of the top 10 goalkeepers in the world?

Or is it a case of interest from clubs that Reina was not prepared to move to? Or do we the lfc fans have a view of Riena's quality which is not matched by the world footballing community.

I am struggling to understand Liverpools policy of loaning out our expensive players ( Aqualini, carrol, cole now riena) when it has not really resulted in the kind of returns one may have expected. Not that I am being critical of the owners, I believe they are dong an excellent job, but I don't see similar loan deals resulting and below market value sales for our competitors

Thanks

Andy H {Ed052's Note - We're loaning him out as a)its the only options, seemingly. b) He wants to go. c) we want him to go. d)save wages. We've loaned out players before because we couldn't sell them, no point keeping them when you can get a fee and save wages}

Thank you for replying ed52 its appreciated

21 Jul 2013 16:13:14
Liverpool sell out two 85,000 seater stadiums in Asia in two hours and a 1, 00,000 seater in Australia but Chelsea have to give out free tickets just to fill a stadium in Malaysia

Class>>Money

21 Jul 2013 15:55:14
Hi Eds, this is just an idea. So that questions don't keep getting repeated wouldn't it be a good idea where there is a page where answers to these questions are pinned up in order to prevent repeats?
Thanks

AD-man {Ed052's Note - This has been mentioned before, but the problem is things change very quickly, so it'd be out of date}

21 Jul 2013 15:36:59
Any news of soldado? Be quality like. {Ed052's Note - He won't be signing}

21 Jul 2013 15:02:37
Ed there were some reports in Italy saying that we had a twelve million euro offer for Illic accepted but the player turned down the move in favour of fiorentina. Do you know is there any truth to this and are will still looking for a cam after we missed out on HM or a versitile wide player like Bernard? Cheers! {Ed052's Note - No truth}

A fellow longwegian. Longford town?

21 Jul 2013 14:39:44
Afternoon Eds I am sick and tired of the lies and blatant disregard for the ordinary supporters, I said to my mate there is no way that Pepe will stay because of his wages, Rogers said last year over Andy Carroll we couldn't afford him to stay on the bench so ya knew PEPE was goodnight, now I don't mind Pepe going I think it's time, but mate don't pony us with oh yeah, Mignloet has come in for competition Blatant lies! And it makes Rogers look a gonk, I am worried what is going on at our club, seems as though slowly but surely we are getting rid of our galacticos and bringing in players with potential, I don't mind getting rid of the free loaders but how are we going to challenge the top sides, If we are not replacing the outgoing players with better players?we are on a precipice and I don't trust Werner or Henry
You would think that seeing the amount of support we have worldwide FSG would see that they need to invest more in quality players to take us to the next level, instead of wishing and hoping the 8mil players would blossom into our next Gerard or Suarez, very worrying times and it breaks my heart because LFC should be up there with all the top teams, Hicks and Gillette have a lot to answer for, but FSG need to understand what it means to be custodians of Liverpool Football Club bless ya loads Liam YNWA {Ed052's Note - We've replaced Reina with a better, younger and cheaper player. Whats to complain about?}

I agree but why the lies and deceit? Why don't they come out and speak the Truth?, if Suarez goes we are left with Coutinho, Borini, Aspas and Sturridge Coutinho is not an out an out striker plays more off the forward, or wing, Borini can't hit a barn door, Aspas looks good but will need time to settle and Sturridge who I really like needs to stay off the treatment table so we need an onion bag mate, also I understand we can't spend beyond our means but the level of players that are coming in are good for squad but you have to spend a few quid for the top jollie players or we will be scrapping for European places for a good while to come, I am realistic Ed but I saw Liverpool in their prime mate and the teams in the 80s, where did it all go wrong la bless ya loads thanks again Liam

I agree a 100% with Liam

I keep hearing we are selling our top players for cheaper potential, truth is even with Reina we could only manage 7th!

What deceit and lies? I think you're taking press releases way too literally. Over the years there have been numerous examples where managers say certain things which if taken literally get contradicted. However, if you look at the bigger picture, you can often see the rationale for making a comment.

Reina and the need for competition for places. Competition for places is true however, if BR had come out and said Pepe's for sale, it would have been unsettling and we'd have got less money for him.

The Suarez saga is similar. BR has said he expects him to stay. Meaning either genuinely does or he's protecting his value so we don't sell him on the cheap.

It's very good PR in my opinion. Fans need to realise that interviews and press releases aren't completely directed at them. Wake up and see the bigger picture!

Raoul

20 Jul 2013 16:08:17
Ed052 would love to hear your thoughts on Downings performance?
I will say again there is no point in keeping SD he just doesn't offer anything in attack. Rather keep Assaidi. {Ed052's Note - Downing is better than Assiaidi as he works harder, and more importantly has a better end product, wether that is a cross or shot. He didn't play well yesterday, but is a good back up, cup player etc. Its almost not worth selling him, for the minimal fee we'd get, and low wages he's on, and he helps the English quota}

I agree there is not much point selling Downing in terms of transfer value, maybe £6m and the public embarrassment. But his wages are v. high, around 70k a week, and he's likely not to be first choice soon. No way he's justifying that now.
If after the first 2 games of the season, he hasn't played either game, (maybe we've signed someone else by then), then surely he'll be gone, most likely on loan, probably to West Ham ironically.
If Reina as a No.2 had to leave on his 100k a week, then Downing surely will as well being 'back-up' winger, all providing we sign another player. RC

If Downing stays its because it suits all concerned. 2 yrs to go on contract he'd expect the club to be opening talks. We aren't. He wants to prove himself and is better all-round option than Others we could buy or some of our youngsters. So it's a marriage of convenience. We need his experience but well let his contract run down because we have young players ready to replace him in 1/2 yrs time. He doesn't want to drop down in class.

The Op here Ed.
I disagree again Ed as you can't say 70K a week is small wages and we could have got 7-8 million from him and have gone for someone like Chadli.
A much better player for almost the same fee and will likely be on around 40-50K atmost. {Ed052's Note - I don't believe that Downing is on wages that high. Chadli will be on 60k or so, and, although a good player, we don't know how he is going to fit into Spurs and perform do we?}

21 Jul 2013 13:57:27
Read earlier on the page that Jannick Vestergaard of Hoffenheim will go to us. I personally don't believe this. He is great though, and the only reason he hasn't had a cap yet for Denmark, is because our national team coach is an old demented fool

21 Jul 2013 12:19:31
so a while back. rodgers tells the fans.
""I always felt it was important for us to have competition right the way through the squad, and that includes the goalkeepers, " he said.

"I spoke to Pepe about this a few months back and told him we wanted to bring in another goalkeeper as real competition.

"I was very open with my goalkeepers and they know the situation.

"Pepe has been terrific here, Brad Jones was excellent when he stood in last year and I felt we needed another one.

"Simon comes in and we've got great competition and when you've got competition it pushes everyone to perform.


And now. oh he knows what I want to do and financially we can't pay a top goalkeeper


so there's no way sureaz is staying either, . so i'm not here to complain i'm just saying that I can't as a fan believe anything the manager says now, and I just see Liverpool as doing everything on the cheap. in a way.
to me. this seems like a pet project that this manager is being allowed to change everything. bring in cheap and young and hope for the best.
i think he should of stayed at swansea and continued there because that club is ideal for those type of goals.

in my opinion Liverpool ain't a pet project its a massive club and it deserves bigger players and most importantly.BIGGER AMBITIONS. not settling for less etc

alex

Soooo short sighted alex.

pepe wants to leave.

we still have 3 keepers, how many do we need?

BR is not lying and football politics change every day.

Hmmmm maybe Pepe didn't want to play second fiddle and wanted to be number 1, what do you want Brendan to do force him to stay just so he doesn't go back on his word?

21 Jul 2013 16:08:28
he was brought in for competition, it's just that he's already won that competition.

Wow, I bet the owners are gutted your not settling for less Alex.

Honestly, the delusion of some posters is staggering. Football is a business and Liverpool are a cash vacuum for the owners. I have heard they are putting as much as 2 million a month into the club, but i'm sure your right about not settling for less, perhaps they could treble that just to keep donkeys like you happy.

You should revel in the fact that we are bringing in exciting new young players, not lamenting the loss of players who no longer wish to wear the shirt.

Perhaps you'd prefer we went the leeds utd route and spunked our future in the hope of a top four finish. person

Andy H

I think pepe has had his bluff called after all the flirting with Barca.

100% agree with this well said that man

21 Jul 2013 13:12:08
Hi eds and people just a question, would you rather get higuiain and 18 mill or shaqiri and 30 mill?

21 Jul 2013 14:42:08
shiqiri and 30 mill but never going to happen

Shaq and 30 no brainer

Or Ronaldo -£25million?

Shaqiri plus 30 and spend it on Higuian. Allow Downing and Assaidi to move on and perhaps bring in another AM/LW such as Eriksen or Bernard.

Shaqiri hands down.

Shaqiri and 30 million as I think he'd work better with Suarez!

How about Shakira +30M?

To be honest mate suarez works hard

21 Jul 2013 12:57:04
Luis Suarez is staying as he just signed a shirt on my friend saying YNWA! Dave.

Should have signed it from Luis!

21 Jul 2013 11:45:56
After a decent start to the transfer window, I was starting to feel quite optimistic about the future, not anymore. The fact that we have no money to spend, unless somebody is sold, is a massive concern, especially as it is not the squad/ fringe players who aren't good enough going, like Downing, it's some of our best players, in Pepe, Agger and Suarez. What is particularly worrying is how prepared most fans seem to be to accept mediocrity, too busy trying to prove they are a 'superfan' and never criticising anything anyone at the club does.
My main concern is that other than those in charge at the academy, nobody in any high power role at the club has a clue about running a massive football club, they are all so out of their depth it is unreal. We have Brendan Rodgers, the FSG yes man, who continues to make himself look foolish in the press with his blag sayings. Plus him continuously lying, telling everyone Mignolet was brought in as competition, and then a few weeks alter telling us we had to get his wage of the books. Expect and equally embarassing come down in the next few weeks regarding Suarez. Everytime he speaks to the press, I cringe. He'll be gone this time next year.
Next is Ian Ayre, a man who was very good in his previous role at the club, but should have stayed their. He should not be the one in charge of the day to day running of the football club, last Summer, and the Suarez/Evra affair proved that.
I also feel as though we will never win a major trophy under FSG. Being self sufficient has never led to success in this league, sustaining it maybe, but not getting it. I also very much doubt that anything will be done on the stadium front in their time here, we are no closer to work on the stadium than we were when they came in.
Unless something drastic changes, then we can never expect to finish higher than 6th in the League. That is where we are now, we have become a midtable club, you can all sit and accept that, I certainly won't.
JFT96
Smithy

Americans are up in arms as well, Red Sox the same cost cutting, wage cutting is happening.

Your spot on some fans will lap up anything to prove they are "real" fans.

I've watched Lpool year in, year out since I was 5 and my uncle took me to the games.

Lpool have no real ambition atm, they lack leadership. As a "real " fan let me just say that Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Bennet, Robinson would be disgusted at how the club has become.

Whats worse is some of you sit there while our better players are sold or loaned, Reina loaned to a club that are cash rich atm, and you swallow all the crap. Remember us fans the moaners in 4 years when we are still rebuilding every year, just changing the mediocre with even more mediocrity.

If anyone 20 years ago had told me LFC would be like this i'd have laughed in their face.

I'm sorry but these owners have been fantastic. Obviously, if you have pots full of money like Chelsea, Man city, PSG, Real madrid you can almost effectively buy success. However many clubs can't do this. We have in fact spent a hell of a lot money in the last decade or so but have wasted far to much of it on average players.

Dortmund are the perfect example of not having to spend much money to be successful. 2nd place in the league and a champions league final isn't half bad for starters.

We can't just go out and spend 55million on Cavani nor can we attract those kind of players at the moment. Its all about taking small steps and the progress we have made in a year is bigger than I even imagined.

Take a look at our team from the last year or so to now. Look at the young, rejuvenated team compared to the older less pacey team. I tell you what, we may have to be a little patient but with players like sterling, Ibe, suso, coutinho, sturridge you're telling me we are not good enough to compete in the future?! We are very fortunate to have these players at our club.

Top 4 is a realistic possibility even though it is will be massively difficult. I believe we many come 5th which is not midtable. You cannot expect to come 7th to winning the league the next it is just not a realistic aim.

Danny

I am tired of "fans" like you. We do not accept mediocrity but accept the state our club is in and have patience. Rome wasn't built in a day. Selling our best players like Reina, Suarez and agger? Reina and Suarez WANT TO LEAVE and as for agger you are merely speculating. Rodgers hasn't lied, he can't come outright and say they are leaving as this decreases their value!

Smithy,
FSG / the club want to reduce the wage bill. There are a number of players on CL level wages still who may be moved on in the next year or two.
It's looking like the policy is to get younger players on a reduced wage to replace them rather than like-for-like replacements.
If we do get the stadium sorted, this could be a reasonable approach. Don't forget it's going to cost £275m plus to do that.
If Anfield gets re-developed, I'm prepared to live with the new approach.
But, if it doesn't, you may be right.
The Juicer

What to you suggest Smithy? If you can not accept it.

Well said Smithy, I completely agree mate. It's painful watching it unfold. I'm not sure whether these owners just want to get the books in order and permission in place for the ground extension then sell or whether or not they will indeed carry out the ground extension sit on the revenue for a couple of years, hope the investment in youth pays off and gets us into the champions league and then sell. Either way, they are not here for the right reasons and that's been glaringly obvious from the outset.

They bought the club at a peppercorn in a distressed market when exchange rates worked in their favour, have spent £42 mill net to date, whilst saddling £111 mill debt on the club and have slashed the wage bill. Someone's making money somewhere. Off the back of a record sponsorship deal and enhanced tv revenue, while other clubs are spending like drunken sailors, Teds told he has to sell to buy! Small wonder Carras retired, he'd had enough of it.

Ozone

You make some fair points, but if self-sufficiency isn't the route to success, what do you think would be a better choice? Insolvency?

By any reasonable estimation I would consider United as surely what one could describe as self-sufficient (by a good distance the largest revenues in the league and a very reasonable wage bill as compared to turnover) and they seem to have done quite well. Unfortunately our revenue is nowhere near their levels or even in the top 4 for that matter. This is just reality and we need to accept it for what it is. FSG have been supportive but they do not have near endless piles of cash to throw at new signings. So, as BR said, we look to find players who are hungry to become stars- this is the only sustainable route forward unless someone with piles of money steps forward and offers to buy the club from FSG and thus far I haven't seen a whole lot takers.

Have to agree with Smithy. Ayre needs help with transfers and we need to attract better players and keep the best players for stability over the next 3 years.

What a ridiculous post and the second post is the same. You have no business sense pal, and I've been supporting LFC for 40 years so please don't play the 'I've supported for years, therefore I know it all' card. Have any of you fools ever run a business? I don't mean worked in one, I mean owned one? I do and you make me chuckle with your naive views. Also, have you ever heard of FFP rules? We currently don't comply with them and spending so spending big sums on players doesn't exactly get us closer to compliance. The owners appear very committed to the cause and are trying to work smart by focusing on marketing and global revenue generation I.e.Lebron James (I think that's his name). We're all entitled to opinions but try to understand how business works before passing judgement on stuff you clearly have no clue about

Danny, Dortmund have an absolutely brilliant manager and an excellent CEO, we do not have either. Our squad may be younger than it was this time a year ago, and we certainly have improved the depth, but if Agger and Suarez leave the first 11 will be worse.
The Juicer, the policy you describe is correct, but it's flawed, taking massive risks on kids who have only played in Spains second devision for example. We also have a huge turnover of players every summer and are stuck in this "transition" because of it, which I also don't understand.
Ozone, I think FSG bought us thinking they could find a quick fix, get us back in the Champions League, and sell us on for a massive profit, not realising the problems the club had/have. To try and solve this the squad is now being asset stripped, and genuine quality is being replaced by unproven youngsters.
RDL, United started to get success by spending big on players, they are now self sufficient, and this helps sustain success as I said earlier. I certainly can never see us competing with United, City and Chelsea under FSG unless the academy strikes gold, and produces a golden generation of players.
JFT96
Smithy

21 Jul 2013 18:59:28
Defend the statement that someone is making money somewhere, Ozone. Complete BS. The club hasn't had positive returns in many, many years and much of the debt they've saddled the club with is in the form of a no interest loan from themselves to the club.

Again if the owners perhaps got more support from some sections of the fan base rather than being moaned at because they're not scouse, they're not bottomless pits of cash, they're too American, they know nothing of football, receiving death threats and other not so nice messages on twitter and the like perhaps they might actually come to not just view the club as an investment (which I will agree is precisely how they likely look at it at the moment) but feel like a part of the family and actually go beyond supportive to being entrenched in what LFC means. From my perspective there are a certain subset of fans who never gave them a chance and never made them feel welcome- a big chance missed out on I say.

Classic by business owner of the year with no name:- 'focusing on marketing and global revenue generation I.e Lebron James, I THINK THAT'S HIS NAME'' so much for the marketing drive with a household name aye pal.

Ozone

But we spent a fortune and chopped and changed managers and overpaid for players for years and that got us 6th, 7th and 8th. You think we should keep smashing our heads against a brick wall whilst also endangering the futu of the club? That's the ultimate in "mediocre" thinking. I am happy to wait and do it right rather than think we can cut corners and spend our way to success when clearly there are 4 clubs enjoying a massive advantage over us and a 5th that did what were doing 4/5 yrs ago and are now challenging for top 4 regularly. A strategy must to be stuck to otherwise we are just reacting to random events.

Kidder

21 Jul 2013 11:33:47
Fantastic gesture by the Indonesian reds with the Iron Lady Anne Williams banner. Great stuff.

21 Jul 2013 11:03:42
reina going out on loan to save money eds have this club actually got any money?! {Ed001's Note - what? You want to pay a player over a 100k a week to sit on the bench? There is having money to spend and then there is wasting money on idiotic throwaway things.}

£100000+ a week for a keeper to sit on the bench is a luxury that isn't fair on either party

Will napoli be paying his entire wage ed? Or just a percentage? I do think the loan is making the best out of a situation, it's a shame we had no offers to buy though.

MIKEY {Ed001's Note - all, that was the only deal we were willing to accept. I don't believe there was any loan fee paid though, that was the sticking point with Cesar.}

Good points in there mate, if you have the press cuttings keep them just in case he stays .and then you can prove how hypercritical the British media really is .

I'd at least expect to be able to easily sell Reina in that case ED. Napoli have just sold Cavani adding over 50m to their already big transfer chest and we let one of the worlds best keepers go on loan, what a shambles and you try to make out its good business sense?

You do realise we will also still be paying part of his weekly wage so any small loan fee is immediately gone, we have no other decent keeper if Mignolet gets injured or just doesn't perform. Lpool are a fckn shambles atm, lots of spin but no end product. {Ed001's Note - there is no loan fee, they are paying his wages. There was no easy sale as no one wanted to buy him. So give it as rest, you are just whining like a baby over nothing, just like in every other little whining rant you have posted on here. People like you are the shambles, you whine on about things you have no idea about. Ignorance is supposed to be bliss, yet you are pig ignorant about anything and still a whining brat!}

If mignolet gets injured we will have a problem ed, jones in goal is trouble {Ed052's Note - Jones is better than Reina, and Ward is great. You cannot have 2 top GKs because there's only one spot}

Jones is better than Reina? In what world?

GuvTOB {Ed052's Note - the real world}

21 Jul 2013 15:47:18
Ed01. No we shouldn't have someone to sit in the bench for that wages.
But why he lied to us?
and 2 weeks back. none was sure here that he would be going out due to his wages. Including the EDS {Ed001's Note - and your point is? No wait you don't have one, just a pathetic whine that he isn't being honest with the media. So what? They never report anything honestly, so why should anyone from the club bother to speak honestly to them?}

Ha told la, go on ed001

I understand the original point of loaning Reina due to lack of interest. but Jones better than Reina? Give Reina some respect, he may dipped in form recently but he has been an excellent keeper, few mistakes (originally), lots and lots of clean sheets and was at one time a great counter attacking threat. when Jones has done any of that the argument might have some credence.

Richards

21 Jul 2013 18:11:53
ED052.
what you upto.
If johnes is better than reina. then which top 2 GK are u referring?
Jesus. ED52 doesn't like most of our players.

You love the academy players. so does everyone and every club has got . but kids won't win anything. {Ed052's Note - Danny Ward is a very very special prospect. He is the Welsh U21, and is always in the senior teams. It won't be long until he is #1. Last season, Jones was more reliable than Reina. More clean sheets (as a percentage), made less mistakes and his distribution was better. Moreover, Mignolet is a far superior keeper to Reina.}

No way is Jones better than Reina Ed52, You have made your self look a bit silly.I actually agree with what you're saying that it makes sense to let him go and let someone else pay his wage, than have him sit on the bench, and the last couple of seasons he's shown inconsistency, but to come out and say that Jones is a better keeper, Ridiculous comment.If Jones was in our goal for the whole of last season we wouldn't have finished in the top half of the table. {Ed052's Note - Last season, Jones had more clean sheets (as a percentage) I believe. He made less mistakes and his distribution was better. Jones of 2013 is no where near as good as Reina of 2006. But Jones is more reliable than a 2013 Reina}

21 Jul 2013 10:08:12
Personally, I think Suarez will stay.

He doesn't strike me as the type who would join another PL team after what he has said. If he did go, I suspect Real Madrid would be his destination.

I think a lot of what he has said has been blown out of proportion. He admitted it would be his dream to play for Real Madrid; but I'm sure he is not the only player at Liverpool who, although I may not admit it, dreams of playing elsewhere.

Understandably, he doesn't want his daughter growing up hearing the media treat him the way they do, so you have to feel for him. (Yes, he brought it on himself I know but some of the abuse is over the top.)

If he stays (which I hope and think he will), we should support him as much as ever. Too many people already slagging him off. He is a world class player who improves our team significantly.

Ah the naivety is astounding ;)

Disney!

I disagree with almost everything you say there mate.
I have a daughter and I try and be a good example to her by not biting people and showing a complete lack of respect for everyone but myself.
Simply moving to shield her away from his actions is just not good enough and a lie.

MIKEY

Mark my words he IS gone.

He wants it
FSG want it.

It's just waiting for the music to stop before they all sit down.

I think that's the first time I've ever agreed with one of your posts Sidney

Nevada

21 Jul 2013 16:14:17
Almost as Mickey Mouse as Utd will be under Moyes.

21 Jul 2013 09:57:40
apparently Suarez told fans getting autographs in Aus that he will stay.

For what's its worth I don't really believe him if he did say that, but I hope he does stay for one more season.

Although he comes with so much baggage and off-field issues, we are not going to buy someone with his ability whilst out of the CL.

red snake

Why should FSG run the club at a loss - they are after all a business! Whilst it might be nice be owned by someone who doesn't care what it costs provided their toy inflates the perceived size of their penis, in the long term do you actually want someone who sees the club we all love as a toy. And who might equally get fed up, move on, and leave us stuffed. Also we can only play one goalkeeper at a time - or haven't you spotted this - so if Mignolet plays well Reina won't be missed in the slightest.

21 Jul 2013 09:27:52
morning eds and reds.loving seeing are red men back playing all be it warm up game's its great football is back come on the boy's.im hoping we bring in 2 or 3 more player's rodger's is doing a great job for me we have moneyfor players for sure but its all about getting big money off the wage bill.i hope we get some news on new players by the end of next week.right eds now suarez has gone out and joined up with the team then, I really can't see him being out there too long eds his face at the airport was one of I don't want to be hear and don't need to be hear, well I've got some news for you that makes too of us suarez I don't want you out there ether hope we get shot of you very very soon.we need a buyer for him asap because we don't need any unrest in the camp Liverpool fc walk on suarez.we have some great young players that can fill your boot's and that's a FACT fella.and pepe on loan I think is a great peace of business buy LFC an RODGER'S its 5.5m of the wage bill and let's face it pepe would be on the bench all season long, plus there's the fact its 120k a week that could be 2 new players wages for the hole of this season.all the best pepe you will be missed but its time to move on walk on walk on.in fsg, rodgers, lfc I trust.cheers eds keep it real.jay essex red for life red till dead.there's loads of twist's an turn's too come for are LFC. keep up the all the great work eds.

21 Jul 2013 13:21:47
I also believe that in order for us to make some quids from Reina once he gets his "Dream" move to Barca, his value won't be cut to shreds by rotting on the benches. Thus the inteligent move to send him on loan to Napoli (a coach that has great trust in Reina, CL as well as the rise in value due to his experience and play time).

Hence the 'Financial' issue that BR mentioned recently.

No, it's not because of us lacking in funds but making LFC a realistic financial platform before our soon to be accomplished CL qualification. Once qualified, imagine the space and freedom for LFC to flex their financial muscle and still be prudent, stable and within the FFP structure.

Once a Red, never anything else.

YNWA

21 Jul 2013 09:03:04
Hi fellow supporterzzzzzz . Straight from the horses mouth Suarez has said He is 100% staying with Liverpool. He has arrived in Melbourne and signed shirts smiling and saying it.

Speedy

Ps 100,000 fans singing "YNWA" is going to be awesome on Wednesday. Can't wait

Cant wait hey! going to be epic! hope he gets some game time.

aussiepool tristan!

21 Jul 2013 07:56:39
Hello Ed, do you know what teams have expressed an interest in Fabio Coentrao? {Ed030's Note - Juventus and Tottenham previously Monaco. }

21 Jul 2013 06:59:35
Arsenal are better then us, they consistently finish above us and spend at least most of the season in contention for trophys.
They always get top 4 and given our total lack of European football this season it's not unreal to expect a top footballer to consider them over us.
What arsenal need to bear in mind is Suarez may look at them as a stepping stone to United or city.

Arsenal are not better than us at all! Ok we might not be in europe THIS year BUT we do win trophys
FA CUP CARLING CUP ETC ETC.
So for Saurez to join them fill you boots mate cause your not going to win a thing!!

I doubt Suarez will use them as a stepping stone mate.

MIKEY

So how many more trophys have arsenal won over Liverpool in the last 5 years? I will give u a hint - arsenal have not won a trophy for 8 years - Top footballers want to win trophys not just compete in them which is all you will do at arsenal

Arsene stop posting on our web page.

Liverpool have won the Champions League, the FA Cup and League Cup and been in the Champions League final and Super Cup final since Arsenal won anything
You CANNOT be a LFC supporter
Another Troll

But Liverpool have won more than Arsenal in the last 10 years. Arsenal may win a cup but league no, 4 th place probably.

I'm sorry but the OP is correct Arsenal are better than us and the argument about we've won more than them is irrelevant (unfortunately) the top players would much rather be in the CL every year than win a cup. {Ed001's Note - not always true, ridiculous statement. Total generalisation of thousands of individuals. The best players want to win things, preferably the biggest competitions possible. The Champions League thing is more because a UCL team is one that is likely to win trophies domestically, as well as having a chance to win trophies in Europe.}

Really Ed? A ridiculous post? There are only 2 things that interest the best players
1) huge money
2) Champions League
Tell me the last "top quality" player (a little subjective I know but we all know what I mean) who signed for a non CL team because he thought they may do well in the domestic cup?
Stop deluding yourself {Ed001's Note - hmmm is that what I said? No. So Chris, give it a rest. Read it back and try and understand it, then you can start again. You think every player is the same. Stop generalising, the best players are interested in different things. They aren't all only after the money, else Messi would be playing in Russia, with a salary so high he could buy Barca out of his loose change at the end of the week. You don't become considered the best player without winning things anyway, but no one mentioned cups except you trying to make yourself look like you were right, by twisting my words. I guess you have forgotten the league is a domestic trophy?}

I said top players would rather be in the CL than win a cup, you said this was a ridiculous statement.
It simply isn't {Ed001's Note - yes it is because you don't know any of them personally. So you are assuming every single one of them is the same as you think. The FA Cup is seen by many foreign players as more prestigious than merely qualifying for the UCL. Some want to play for the CL teams because those are the ones with the most chance to pick up trophies. Some will just play for whoever offers them the most money and not give a monkey's about CL or other trophies.}

I'm not going to carry this on Ed as it'll go nowhere as you've obviously got your argumentative head on tonight.
Lets just clear up my point
Of course I don't know them personally but if you simply look at which players sign for which clubs you have your answer.
I don't want this to be the case but it just is, how else do you explain the fact that Liverpool is one of the two largest clubs in England and yet yourself and the other Eds on here constantly tell us that we are going to get top players because either we don't pay enough or we don't have CL?

21 Jul 2013 00:47:51
really heartwarming to see Kelly playing again, and I hope we can play Ibe more often, I realize he is young but he is such a good player, I hope gets loads of game time, some players looked way out of touch today, Johnson was woeful apart from one defensive interception, his passing was so weak it was "hospital balls" Enrique huffed and puffed but did ok, let's hope he is at his peak at the start of the season, and my last words go to Assaidi, I really like this player and selling him I think is a mistake, selling him for £3 million is a bigger mistake, he should be given a fair chance and dare I say it played more central in the attack and not on the wing, remember Thierry Henry was a converted winger! he didn't do too bad, did he?

Nice post, till the end there. Way to loose credibility by comparing Assaidi to Henry. Henry pre-conversion to striker is many times better than Assaidi.

Lol comparing Assaidi to Henry? This is why I love this website

So who would you drop from central attacking positions for a questionable winger? Courtinho? Sturridge? Aspas?
I think your logic is floored. Sorry.
Daveyliver

21 Jul 2013 11:26:51
He's comparing their positions not their ability

Hes not comparing henry to assaidi he's saying why not give him a try through the middle it worked for henry not once does he say assaidi through the middle he could easily turn out as good as henry or better its not a bad idea tbh seems assaidi doesn't have much end product but has pace to burn not sure how good his shooting is but if we kept him he could work on it if he was even half as successful as henry would be a masterstroke but don't think it will happen if rodgers and his team who work with him everyday done see the potential for the move there must be a good reason why
giblet

Original poster, I read quote by someone from ooredoo and it said they were looking to sponsor stadium and shirt, didn't mention training gear, not sure they (or anyone would want to sponsor Melwood!). Agree it would not be ideal to re-name Anfield but Anfield will ALWAYS be Anfield so if we get a nice few quid for it to improve us I think maybe it should be took.

I was trying to say Assaidi looked more effective through the middle, and it may not be a bad idea to try and play him there, Henty was an example of a winger moving position to a more central role, no way was I comparing Assaidi to Henry, Henry was the only example I could think of at the time.

20 Jul 2013 23:46:57
A lot of rumours on internet that we are after Ben arfa . He is a great winger with awesome pace but his constant hamstring problem is a consern plus I imagine NU wouldn't let him go for cheap. What is Your opinion on this rumour and the player himself, Ed? {Ed001's Note - he plays one good game a season, 25 injured and the rest trying to get back into shape before injury hits. He is Fabio Aurelio all over again and not worth considering.}

Not Aurelio ed because Ben Arfa is actually good.

Well said ed, I thought I was the only one who didn't want Ben arfa to come to Liverpool, he's not that good and is always injured

Ack17

Auellio was good as well, just injured most of the time.

MIKEY

Aurelio was a superb player whose body let him down

cozinoz

Aurelio was a quality left back just injured a lot! Remember the free kicks against the mancs and Chelsea to prove that! {Ed001's Note - yes, which is my point. Seems everyone is missing it! Fabs was a great player, but he would pick up an injury, be out 3 months, take 6 games to get back to form, be brilliant for a match, then pick up another injury in the next one.}

20 Jul 2013 23:04:36
Gutted defelou went to Everton on loan and that tello signed a new contract

Have you seen Coutinho, Sterling, Alberto, and Ibe play yet? Young attacking talent is not what we are lacking.

SpudRed

Deulofeu wouldn't get enough playing time with us. Tello too good to join a team not playing in the CL anyway.

20 Jul 2013 22:41:07
that's how I see it:
rodgers is the perfect manager, to be successful and play beautiful football, he needs to offload; enrique, downing, johnson, reina and of course suarez.
what do you think eds/supporters?

swissred

I think Reina is already replaced, and Suarez is just about gone. Downing can go with a suitable replacement for the squad. But wise choice is to not turn over your entire team of seasoned players in one go as we'd be years getting back to top four.

SpudRed

Johnson and Enrique are our best full backs, Downing yes, Reina Maybe and Saurez not. Would much prefer Sterling than Downing

Have you ever seen a game?

Johnson and enrique are good fullbacks, never questioned that, but they don't have the quailities BR is looking for.
and if you believe in something, it doesn't matter if you suffer a little bit, because at the end it will come good.
and I believe in rodgers, fsg and Liverpool football club, that's all I care.

swissred

I'm not the biggest fan of johnson as regulars know but I wouldn't be replacing him anytime soon. Too many changes in defence already and too many problems that need sorting before the right back position.
I think by the time we get round to looking to replace Johnson we might already have a ready made replacement in one of the many youngsters we have coming through, so spending much needed money now is pointless when we can hold on a few seasons and replace him for free.
To be fair though I can see Johnson improving this season. Mainly due to toure giving him a much needed talking to every time he cocks up.

MIKEY

20 Jul 2013 22:04:04
With Rodgers comments that something will happen while he is Oz, I assume that the Suarez affair will come to a head next week and, we can assume the players we are targeting will see some major developments.

If it is 1 or 2 players we are looking at then he is assuming Suarez isn't going, as this will be a attacking midfielder and a defender. If Suarez does go then we must be looking at another player up top.

Still think we are a couple of players short after that of having a good squad, a DMC, LB and maybe a winger and I'd be happy but appreciate that we would have to ship Downing/Skrtel etc. before we could be in a position to do that

Your middle paragraph is correct. We're not looking for another DM though as BR's switched to almost exclusively playing 4231, meaning Gerrard, Lucas, Hendo and Allen are the 4 competing for the places in the '2'. BR looking at another creative player for the '3', a LB to give Enrique competition and a replacement for Coates if he thinks it too soon for Wisdom to step up. If Suarez leaves a replacement will be signed. If Agger or Skrtel leave there'll be a replacement too. We're not looking for a striker though as Aspas will back up Sturridge for the '1' position. Keepers now sorted too.