Liverpool Banter Archive June 21 2016

21 Jun 2016 20:40:21
Hi Reds and Eds,

I was just wondering about any players that I would like to see playing at liverpool, so i thought let's have a bit of fun while it's all quiet on the transfer front,

to all the red's what player in the euro's would you like to see playing for liverpool and in what position, it's just a bit of fun don't forget

I've alway's liked Luca Modric, he's hard working and can turn a game also i think he would fit into our team because he play's like an english player, i know i could have picked Ronaldo or other top names but i will stick with Modric,

What do the other red's and Ed's think,

Also you can only pick the one player, it will be interesting to see who some red fans choose.

21 Jun 2016 20:57:49
Joe Allen. Oh wait 🤔

Bale for me all day long.

21 Jun 2016 21:01:26
I thought William carvalho looks a beast and personally would love to see him in the red of lfc.

21 Jun 2016 21:03:00
Pogba, Ronaldo, Neuer, Jordi Alba, Morata.

21 Jun 2016 21:13:08
Iniesta for me. imagine him picking out sturridge etc.

21 Jun 2016 21:18:12
Michael McGovern! 😊.

21 Jun 2016 21:40:02
I know he hasn't played much but Carrasco the Belgium is a real talent.

21 Jun 2016 21:42:44
We already have the welsh xavi/ pirlo il take the welsh bale.

21 Jun 2016 21:45:06
Would like to change my mind. perisic please. :-D.

21 Jun 2016 22:25:27
Candreva would be good for us on the right Imo.

21 Jun 2016 22:27:33
Bale. He would win us what, 20 points minimum per season.

21 Jun 2016 22:40:17
Neymar, Pogba, Aguero*.

21 Jun 2016 23:18:36
This evening's blunder notwithstanding, David DeGea.

21 Jun 2016 23:12:37
Perisic.

21 Jun 2016 23:43:12
Griezman.

22 Jun 2016 00:15:05
There is only one correct answer to that question and that is Will Grigg! :P.

22 Jun 2016 00:42:18
Silva and Villa when we had the two almost signed.

22 Jun 2016 00:13:32
and yeah morata.

21 Jun 2016 22:38:31
modric plays like an english player? i laughed so hard hahahaha. as a croatian there are currently 4 or 5 players aged 17 to 19 that have real potential of becoming players like modric and rakitic. real pool of talent. marko pjaca will be excellent player and his atitude is top class i would pick him. perisic is off to chelsea as one of his friends told me not 100% but almost can any of the eds confirm?

22 Jun 2016 08:34:54
Dimitri payet.

21 Jun 2016 18:53:14
Right ed001. I no you don't like these questions mate but in your opinion are we more likely to sign Gotze or Mane? Also who would you prefer please?

{Ed001's Note - I really could not answer who is more likely, but I would not want either.}

21 Jun 2016 19:45:47
Ok mate fair enough. I no what ya saying. Seems we are after them though. Both maybe?

21 Jun 2016 19:56:38
I don't want Mane I know that much.

21 Jun 2016 20:30:42
Gotze over mane but don't want him either.

21 Jun 2016 20:24:29
Ed001 - who would you recommend LFC go for in lieu of Gotze and Mane?

{Ed001's Note - I haven't seen anyone I would recommend to be honest. For me, I would like to see what the likes of Ojo can do first.}

21 Jun 2016 20:26:46
I thought you said mane has all the skill sets we are needing ed001?

What players are we targeting that you are hoping for? Or who would you pursue that is reasonable. (You can ignore left and right backs as I don't think there are any you like :) )

{Ed001's Note - Mane has all the ability but not the attitude to make the most of it. He skips training and team meetings, throws tantrums and generally needs to grow up. Avoid at all costs as those kind of players are a poison in the dressing room.

Right now, I am happy with what we have. It is more important that we keep our better players fit, in my opinion, than buy.}

21 Jun 2016 22:43:17
Agreed #1. I am really excited about Ojo the lad can be a real star in my opinion, if he stops with us we're laughing in the near future. there's been talk of him been moved on, tell me it's daft rumours?

22 Jun 2016 00:09:13
Don't want Gotze, Mane or Zeilinski. Either we get who will improve us or we stick with what we have.

21 Jun 2016 17:47:42
I think Clyne had a good game last night, i'm not one for stats because they don't tell the whole truth but Clynes stats are better than Walkers for Englands right back which should make a lot of liverpool fans happy because Kyle Walker is a good right back but if Clyne has better stats then it makes him better than Walker, i think once we have a settled back 4 next season our results will get better, and i think the new GK will do well if and only if we get a new GK coach, plus the competion for the GK spot will make the GK's better for us so let's hope we get the players who Klopp wants and we have a good pre-season then the season will be a very good one for us, i'm really looking forward to next season because i believe in Klopp and i hope he has many years with us, i think it took Klopp 3 season to get Dortmund to where they are now and challenging for the german title so let's hope he does the same with us, it will take him that long to get all the players he needs to make it his team of players.

21 Jun 2016 17:55:35
Personally not a fan of stats because it depends on who the opposition is.

Makes me laugh when they compare players stats from different leagues. How can you compare a players stats from the prem with a players stats from the Dutch league.

22 Jun 2016 00:11:46
Stats are pointless, end of. Your eyes are the best way to judge a player. Use them.

21 Jun 2016 13:36:59
It's Joe Allen Appreciation day so let's all day something nice about the legend. Lathe guy has a mighty fine beard.

21 Jun 2016 14:02:29
His chickens look really healthy!

21 Jun 2016 15:06:49
He has two feet.

21 Jun 2016 15:18:28
Welshy wizard.

21 Jun 2016 15:28:38
He makes Henderson look world class.

21 Jun 2016 15:42:06
Good professional 😎.

21 Jun 2016 15:51:43
His 8 yard pass is perfection.

21 Jun 2016 16:08:43
Great character the wee little man.

21 Jun 2016 16:08:43
Great character the wee little man.

21 Jun 2016 16:26:27
The Welsh Pirlo.

21 Jun 2016 16:35:15
Pirlo is the itallian Allen.

21 Jun 2016 16:46:16
He has never failed this city (yet)

21 Jun 2016 16:51:45
Chris Coleman (me and the lads especially my ape brother Gareth and also captain Ash Williams like to call him Christina Colewoman due to his particularly funny name lol and also the fact that his pa was a coal worker who died in a mining accident) said I could have the next few days off because of this National Holiday so I'll be down the old Ship and Mitre drinking my sorrows away (why does she have to be with him for goodness sake) . Chris saw some of the posts on here and chuckled but then ruffled my lovely beard I asked him to stop but he continued to do it in the manner of a dirty man oh well there's always Euro 2020.

21 Jun 2016 10:48:34
Hello House,
Looking at the posts here, it would appear we are not in for any central attacker, if so could the Eds give their opinion of if they agree we are well stocked in that department (Stu, Origi and Ings) or like me believe we need an injury-free 20/ 25 goal a season striker?

{Ed002's Note - The club is overrun with forwards.}

21 Jun 2016 12:30:03
Ings, benteke, balo, origi, Sturridge and Firmino as an option. Think we're okay unless we lose 2-3 of those.

21 Jun 2016 12:38:24
Over run with forwards, who won't get 20/ 25 goals a season like the op said!

{Ed002's Note - We get it, you are a Liverpool supporter who wants a new set of players every year. Not only is it really embarrassing to keep reading these posts, I thought the Almighty Klipperty would work his magic with them all. If Firmino were to go then perhaps another forward who scores mpre goals might come in - or just perhaps yet another attcking midfield player.}

21 Jun 2016 13:43:53
Firmino in his first league campaign got 10 goals despite missing a month out injured and only playing as a striker for the final third of the season. Plus Klopp rested him for the last 4 league games. Suarez in his first season got 11 league goals playing more games in a more consistent advanced position.

I'm not saying Firmino will bang in 23 next season just because Suarez did, but he will certainly improve on his tally of 10, Sturridge is finally fit and firing so he could easily bag 20, and if we sign Gotze or Mane, for all the negativity they will still hit double figures.

No need for this negativity lads.

I think people will also be surprised by Zielinski if and when he signs. He could easily hit 5+ goals from midfield. He got 5 last season playing in a very average team in a very compact league. With better players around him in a much more open league, he could get a lot of goals for a midfielder.

If Henderson stays fit he is a proven 5+ goal a season midfielder.

Lallana and Milner can and will chip in with a few each.

Not to mention Ings and Origi who will grab goals even if it's just off the bench or rotating with Sturridge.

We have not had a problem with scoring under Klopp. I think after Christmas we were one of the top scoring teams in the league. Our problem was controlling midfield (because Hendo was injured so we had the headless chicken duo of Allen and Milner) and keeping the ball out of our own net (courtesy of Moreno, Skrtel and Mignolet mainly) .

Hendo being fit and Karius, Matip and probably Chilwell signing already makes next season one to look forward too. Add Grujic, Zielinski and possibly Gotze to that and we can beat anyone on our day with Klopp in charge.

Let's not forget that last seasons team beat Dortmund over 2 legs without our captain. We are not a bad team.

21 Jun 2016 15:14:01
Benteke and balo won't be at the club next season and Firmino is a attacking midfielder he was when we signed him and is now.

21 Jun 2016 15:31:25
yes dezyboy bt that still leaves us with ings studge and origi fighting for 1 spot.

21 Jun 2016 15:50:59
Dezyboy, he is still a young player. We signed him as an attacking midfield player, but all of his best performances came as a striker. He has been almost exclusively used as a striker by the Brazilian national team as well.

Players change position as they develop. Lucas joined us as the best young attacking midfielder in Brazil and ended up being a great holding midfielder. Ireland had a striker on as a sub the other day who came through the system as a goal keeper. You see what I mean?

Firmino is very clearly seen as a forward by Klopp. Be that anywhere in a front 3, as a second striker, or leading the line by himself. He hasn't played attacking midfield since Rodgers was given the boot.

21 Jun 2016 15:23:55
Mk and ed1 spot on.

21 Jun 2016 15:24:18
Ed2 I mean.

21 Jun 2016 13:10:06
Personally I don't think we need to bring in another striker. Assuming we can find buyers for benteke, ballotelli and yesil it will leave us with sturridge, origi and ings and will also have firminio to cover as I don't see him as an out and out striker. The only way I think we'll buy in the striker is if one of sturridge or firminio is sold. But I'm happy to stick with what we have and hopefully they can all stay fit.

21 Jun 2016 18:24:10
Kaizer, you don't think 3 players fighting for one spot is too many do you? Sturridge has a history of injuries, I hope he's over them now but you never know, Origi is a young lad who looks like he could be special, but we'll have to wait and see and Ings at the moment, is in the same situation as Sturridge (injury issues) .

I think promoting a young lad, rather than buying another striker would be the best option. Especially as Klopp likes to play Firmino as a striker.

For me though, Ings has to be the main man up top. Just my opinion though, I think he suits the system best.

21 Jun 2016 21:02:54
I've got a strange feeling we're going to sell Couts, move studge to the right to cut in on that left peg, and buy a new striker.
Really don't want too, but I'm thinking we will.

21 Jun 2016 08:53:57
Not a rumour, just wondering what the ed's opinions on Henderson are, lots of sheep on social media who slate him when he has played well, personally i think he helps to make players around him better with the shift he puts in and is an under rated creative force, never be world class, but a good player to have.

What's your analysis please ed's?

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - personally I really like him. He works hard, has a great range of passing, good defensive positioning, knows when to press and when to drop off and cover passing lanes, gets forward well and does most of the things that go unseen.

He needs to add more goals to his game. That is his major weakness. Also his tackling could do with work, but that is such a minor part of the game these days, that it is not worth worrying about, sadly. Oh and he is strong in the air, would like to see him getting on the end of some crosses, both in open play and from set pieces.

Hendo fully deserves a place in the side, despite the idiotic comments about his running style etc. It reminds me of something that stats analysts talk about, which is why they like to look at raw data. People make observations based on appearance, Hendo runs funny, so he is not rated. He does not look like he should be a footballer so people make assumptions.}

21 Jun 2016 09:27:55
Agreed Eds01. Without him i think we struggle and though i rate Lucas and Can also i think Henderson is much needed with at least one of the other two playing alongside him

And no i am not suggesting he has the same role as the other two, but compliments them and the team.

21 Jun 2016 09:47:58
Eds I completely agree and alongside Can is definitely the base for our midfield. I would just like to see someone in the mould of Dier or Xhaka, someone who can pick a pass when we're on top but who can sit in front of the back four or cover the full backs when they bomb forward. I think that is the missing ingredient to our midfield.

{Ed001's Note - the players should be able to figure that out between them, rather than wasting a midfielder by playing him as an auxiliary defender.}

21 Jun 2016 10:59:53
Ed001 that reminds me of how people see Sakho, he looks unconventional on the ball so people just assume he is a poor passer when quite the opposite is true. Anyway, I'm a massive fan of Henderson myself and I have my fingers crossed he stays fit next season.

{Ed001's Note - it is something the guy who started the stats revolution in baseball said. One of the reasons you can get better value via the stats was because people make judgements based on appearance. Sometimes someone can look wrong but be extremely effective, they will still be seen as rubbish by the vast majority because of that appearance.}

21 Jun 2016 11:01:38
Dier is brilliant to be fair.

I still don't get all the hype around Xhaka though. Awful discipline, concedes possession constantly, doesn't have that broad a range of passing. I think West Ham got the best Monchengladbach midfielder in Nordtveit. Dahoud has the most potential of the 3 for sure though. Xhaka just looked the best on highlight reels because of his all action style and the fact he shouts a lot. Probably a good leader to be captain at 23, but not a good player by any stretch. Coquelin is better by far. Wenger is losing it if you ask me.

21 Jun 2016 11:22:22
Yeah hendo should be scoring much more goals for me, he gets in the right positions but his finishing is dreadful.
Seems to bottle it or get over excited, I dunno. Maybe he just doesn't have the nerve to do it, like when someone goes up to take an important penalty in a shoot out and fires it into row Z, that's how I see hendo whenever he gets in a scoring position.
That post sounds really harsh looking back on it, as I think he's a really important player for us and one who's been badly missed. His main job isn't to score goals at the end of the day but it is frustrating.
Eds, are his injury problems past him now? Are we going to see the best of him this season?

{Ed001's Note - should be.}

21 Jun 2016 11:45:09
I'm a big fan of Hendo but his inability to cross a ball above the first defender last night was Milneresque.

21 Jun 2016 12:05:45
Hendo is club captain, and no one else really could be. he is a tidy player and probably that now he is fully fit we will see the best of him. We defo need him controlling games in the midfield. He for me is the best english midfielder currently.

21 Jun 2016 12:15:30
Eds but they don't figure it out though which is why our midfield is so easily overrun when we're defending. So if we don't need an auxiliary defender as you put it then that means one of Can or Hendo isn't good enough or they just don't fit together. MKSCOUSER Xhaka plays very similar to Dier, Dier plays us a bit more measured but Xhaka is a bit stronger hence the disciplinary record but has been the engine and beating heart of Switzerland, Monchengladbach and I think it was Basle. Very undervalued and happy for others like Shaqiri to grab the headlines. Very similar to William Carvalho of Portugal.

{Ed001's Note - we have never been overrun when Hendo is in there, it was while he was out we had problems.}

21 Jun 2016 12:24:57
just to add to hendo convo he's one of the most professional players around apparently, every manager he's had says this, stevie g too i recall, my point being he gives 100% on or off the pitch which i no should be given but as we all no isn't, for me he's a top player n i'm glad we got him.

21 Jun 2016 12:45:07
What would you say to joey Barton ed001, who last night tweeted that Hendo has no nerve endings in his feet and just kicks the ball hard everytime? Also he wrote can someone tell sturridge he's not on trial and is allowed to pass to a team mate!

{Ed001's Note - I would not waste my time talking to that bigoted moron who should have been locked up alongside his brother many years ago. It is only because the scummy little turd is a footballer that he is not in jail where he belongs. What he knows about football could be written on the back of a postage stamp with a very thick marker pen.}

21 Jun 2016 13:01:06
Ha ha ha ha that's just brilliant edd001 made my day that!

{Ed001's Note - he is a horrible little turd. The BBC should be ashamed of themselves letting him have a platform to spout his moronic crap on. His sole contribution to society is regurgitated quotes, as he does not have the intelligence to think of his own sayings, and violent acts perpetrated on those unable to defend themselves. Usually kids.}

21 Jun 2016 13:37:36
You say Barton is a footballer, Ed. I'd like to dispute that point.

21 Jun 2016 13:24:10
Unfortunate enough to have met joey a couple of times.
I think ed001s assessment on him is very inacurate, it's far far too kind on him.

{Ed001's Note - the sad thing is that he is probably the nicest member of his family!}

21 Jun 2016 16:03:32
Disagree tackling is a big part of the game especially for midfielders

Henderson lack quality but has such a good hard working engine and is a great team player he can do a job for any team.

21 Jun 2016 19:26:41
I personally love Hendo, He was a great and perfect successor to StevieG, for me he epitomises what it means to be a good Liverpol player. Had a very rocky start to his career at Anfield, and personally did not rate him too much, though I could see his potential. He grew into in my opinion one of our most important players. Has been said here before, that was because of his sending off towards the end of the 2013/ 14 that cost us the title, and I remember when it happened i had fears would cause us to lose us the title as he was soo important for our midfield. He may not get the goals or many assists as other midfielders, but his contribution is massive even if goes unnoticed by some, and his absensce is sorely felt when he is missing. I truely hope he can get fit and remain fit because he can become a legend for Liverpool and for England.

21 Jun 2016 20:24:51
I seem to spend my entire life arguing with people about Henderson. He is actually very technically gifted. He is more skillful than people give him credit for but he keeps it simple and doesn't needlessly use it. A bit like lallana does.

I agree with a poster that it his composure that he struggles with most he has all the attributes to get more goals than he does I just think that he puts a lot of pressure on himself. His finishing is best when he hasn't got time to think about it.

His crossing from open play is good he has vision, excellent range of passing.

All people seem to notice is his work rate but not the importance and the intelligence of it. Henderson is one of our few midfield players who will bust a gut to make an excellent run beyond a striker and then run back and know where he should be defensively.

As well as all this he is an excellent professional and despite the criticism I think he is an excellent captain.

21 Jun 2016 08:39:27
Very short one sentence article in the Mail saying that Sakho will find out in the next 2 weeks from UEFA if he's to be banned for failing the drugs test.

Thought I'd share.

21 Jun 2016 08:43:50
2nd July I think it is.

21 Jun 2016 08:48:42
I thought he wasn't getting banned? Due to the substance not been on their list? Not kept up to date with it all but hopefully they leave him be.

21 Jun 2016 09:42:01
It was on the list Jürgen, but Sakho's defence is that it shouldn't be on the list and apparently their is some mileage in that argument.

21 Jun 2016 10:06:42
Oh I see, thanks Ron.

21 Jun 2016 11:30:33
Not sure I agree with sakhos argument though. If it's on the list, why was he taking it?
He should be checking everything. Especially a fat burner.

{Ed001's Note - something to do with there being confusion over the lists. I believe the argument is that it was not on the WADA list which FIFA and UEFA are supposed to follow but was still on the UEFA list. That is if I have understood it correctly. Difficult to follow and personally I agree with you, just don't take anything and you don't have to worry.}

21 Jun 2016 11:56:13
Ahh ok ed thanks that clears it up a bit.
Thought his argument was what he was taking shouldn't be on the list because it's not that bad (in his opinion) didn't know there was a discrepancy over the lists.
I do think if players are taking anything it should be run past the club doctor first.

21 Jun 2016 12:27:46
didn't kolo have an issue similar in the past ed's?

{Ed001's Note - if by similar issue you mean he was banned for being found guilty, then yes he did. There was no argument that the substance should not have been on the banned list though, he was simply at fault.}

21 Jun 2016 07:58:34
Has anyone noticed that Sturridge has learned how to pass the ball, even when in sight of goal?
He's played a number of cracking through balls for England in the last couple of games. If he could be less greedy, I wouldn't be so 50/ 50 about whether to cash in or keep.

21 Jun 2016 08:50:18
What? 50/ 50 about cashing in on him? Come off it, he's incredible and he's a Liverpool player. Leave it out.

21 Jun 2016 11:51:25
Maybe change his contract to a more appearance based wage next time his contract is up but never sell the lad. We have enough cover now to allow for his injuries anyway. When he is fit he is one our best players.

21 Jun 2016 05:34:03
Hi Eds',

This is continuation of my earlier post reg Lallana.

How can a player at another club look so good and when they play for us literally turn into nightmare?

ex: Lallana,

1. Is it to do with one season form and then they are back to their levels?

2. Is it to do with the tactics of the coach/ manager which makes them look awful?

3. Is it that they peak early and peter out? (similar to point 1)

We can add so many names in this category but we all will have an exception to the names.

Hence want to take Lallana's name as the only example and wish to discuss this trend.

Cheers,
SamiKewell.

{Ed001's Note - tactics in the main. Different players require different ways of playing to get the most out of them. Look at Aaron Ramsey, there are times he looks a worldbeater, then he has to play a different role and looks awful. If you are not playing to the player's strengths, then they will not look good. That is why stats are so useless on their own, as they do not take into account the context of the play. How the player is being used etc.}

21 Jun 2016 05:45:44
Thanks for the quick response - Ed01.

So which is more important in football?

Ability of the player to adjust to different tactics / formations?
or
Individual skill that they bring to the pitch? (they should be really good in one or two things exceptionally)

or

Ability of the manager/ coach to put to use the available players and bring out the best in them as a team?

or

Push their tactics and ensure that players adapt to his line of thinking?

Sorry for so many question at once.

Cheers,
SamiKewell.

{Ed001's Note - the manager/coach is the most important thing. That is why the best managers end up at the most successful clubs. Even the best and most skilful players need a manager to set up his team to suit them. Messi went through a bad patch when Barca were not set up ideally for him. Now they are again working to his strengths, he was once again world class.

That is why Klopp is the most important signing we have made in recent years. It is also why Gerrard, for all his ability, failed to win the trophies he should have. He was just one player, but a manager works with all 11 on the pitch at once. Good players can work together on their own and produce great things sometimes, a manager ensures that the great things happen consistently.

In any walk of life, the leader is the most important thing. That is the person setting the tone of everything. The best managers are benign dictators. They make the decisions, but they also listen to input from others and work with their players to get the most out of them. Even ones likes Ferguson and Clough, that are presented by the media as ruling everything with an iron fist, listened to their players. They sometimes chose to ignore what was said, mostly in fact, but they did listen and would look to fit the way they worked to the players at their disposal.}

21 Jun 2016 06:22:38
Thanks once again for the detailed response.

Hope Klopp brings the best out of the individual players and uses them to his tactical point of view and this ends up in a good marriage. (at least 1 cup in 4 years)

Currently happy with Klopp but hoped he would have the pull to bring in some exciting players but somehow our position is undermining this and players are opting for better options.

Cheers,
SamiKewell.

{Ed001's Note - what Klopp and his staff opt for is players they feel will work best in the system they want to use. That should excite you more than a big name. Shanks and Paisley never targeted big names, they targeted the players that fitted the system.}

21 Jun 2016 08:46:28
Great post by the way! Good read :)

21 Jun 2016 08:53:44
Totally agree with what Ed has said, I couldn't care les if everyone we signed I'd never heard of in my in life. As long as they work as a team and a squad and are players that want to be at the club and want to succeed as a team. That's the most important thing and that's what makes a successful team.

21 Jun 2016 10:19:45
I am in total agreement, but i would like to include the role of a competent Captain who can correctly interpret the Coaches instructions on the pitch. He also is saddled with the role of having his hands on the pulse of the tide of play - knowing when to 'ginger; the boys, or when to make them sitback.

21 Jun 2016 12:37:16
we signed lallana off the back of him playing under poch, rodgers then used him incorrectly but now wi klopp whos similar to poch lallana thrived, i no he needs to score/ assist more but for me he'll improve again this season, also lallana is often the guy who sets up the assist which is as vital, i'm a liverpool supporter n will continue to do so YNWA.

21 Jun 2016 05:51:15
Lallana was awful yesterday. Doesn't score goals for both Liverpool and England. Allen looked a completely different player.

21 Jun 2016 13:03:49
Great post Ed's, we used to have "the Liverpool way" of playing. The sooner we get our identity back the better.

20 Jun 2016 23:56:17
Hi Eds,
Sorry to be a pain with questions.
Any news on Sakho (ban) or Markovic (future)?
I really think Markovic has more to offer than Mané or Zielinski.
Much Obliged

Ron.

{Ed091's Note - Markovic will return and speak to klopp, Right now im not too sure what the hold up is with sakho, but seeing him in liverpool media things, suggests theyre relaxed.

21 Jun 2016 02:16:09
Ron, Sakho will learn his fate for failing a drugs test from UEFA in the next 2 weeks.

21 Jun 2016 06:49:50
Thanks all.

21 Jun 2016 07:38:59
I am with you on that Ron, seeing how Klopp has improved many of our players in his time, I would like Markovic to have a go rather than buying and making a loss on his sale. We will see.

21 Jun 2016 07:45:21
Markovic is a pacey wide player, so he is incomparable to Zielinski.

He is comparable to Mane though, and for all Mane's inconsistencies, he is still in a different league to Markovic. People seem to think Markovic is still a teenager. He's just turned 22 and he couldn't even score goals in Turkey. Ibe, Kent, Ojo and Canos are all ahead of him in terms of development and they are all younger. It is very unlikely we will even keep the 4 of them though, so it is very unlikely Markovic will be staying.

He needs a preseason worthy of the gods to save his career here.

I like the lad. He never moaned about being grossly misused by Brenda, but he just isn't good enough.