Liverpool Banter Archive May 21 2013

 

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21 May 2013 23:20:44
Does anybody know how many Liverpool fans there are world-wide?. If every Liverpool fan on the planet gave £5 we would have enough money to buy us a few top players?. Why not use our remarkable fan base and get a website going? I'd pay a fiver to add to our war chest this summer! I bet it would raise £30 million easy! If they gave £20 each we could probably buy the club? Or a new stadium?

Why hasn't this been done before?

Gazman

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I guess it would be taxable, so you'd lose half of it right there!

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Because it's absolutely stupid

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It is done.
Merchandise sales and pay TV revenue.

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Would you put your £5 in if Ian Ayre ran this website? Haha goodbye fiver

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Ive thought this before to be honest. is it totally out of the question? I know a team once done it to stay afloat. should all be able to donate, then everyone who donated can vote on a player theyd like to see!

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I suppose the club wouldn't touch it because it looks shabby and like a begging bowl. But if the fans did it independently then donated the money with a clause stating the money has to be spent in a certain way.

bringxabihomefund. com?

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21 May 2013 23:19:55
Papadopolous to us for £12 mill looks close. My friend who lives in Germany and supports Shalke says that the club don't believe he will fully recover from injury, whereas LFC believe they have the facilities to get him back to full fitness.

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With our limited funds can we afford to gamble on a player who has announced that his knee injury is more serious than expected and that his season is over. so we won't know if he has recovered.

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21 May 2013 23:19:01
Brendan Rodgers should not replace Pepe Reina with vorm. He's not good enough. That would be a massive downgrade.

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21 May 2013 23:15:17
Toure would be a good signing, 4 years younger than carra, faster, won league title & other trophies. An experienced good squad member who can certainly bring something to the group, or we can sign more unproven in the PL players that have very little experience. Up to you but he could be a leader

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21 May 2013 22:54:57
I think Toure is a smart option. he's free, experienced in the prem and can lead a back line, very vocal, something we will miss without Carragher.
Secondly, do we genuinely have interest in Papadopolous (spelling) of Schalke or Ilori of Lisbon? I have seen links with Liverpool for both, and both look like future stars. Either would be a great move.
Good to us linked with top young talent again, for too long we've been moving for people who are establoshed or overrated which means we have no chance of sell on profit and we usually end up dissapointed, such as with Pennant, Downing, Kromkamp, Riera. Better to get in for up and coming talent so they either develop into top players or we sell them on for a decent price when they're older.
Cant wait for window to open, going to be busy guys!
Finally, chuffed if we get £15m for Carroll, I still believe he has a lot to offer but we have Sturridge now.

Anfield Andy

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21 May 2013 22:54:23
We got Suarez and Carroll for Torres and Babbel that window so we effectively now have Suarez and 15m for Torres and Babbel. Not bad really.

Walls

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Yes its still bad we lost £20m!!

that is serious money

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You can justify it anyway you want but if we had not made the panic buy of Carroll then we could have had Suarez and 35m for Torres and Babel the next window. Commolli really screwed LFC on that one.

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Why are you only blaming Comolli? Dalglish wanted Carroll, even though we had bids for Gomez, Benzema and Llorente rejected at a similar price. Instead of waiting it out until that summer, when all of them could have been available, certainly Benzema and Gomez, KD wanted Carroll, just like he wanted Downing.

in my opinion, part of the blame, since we are playing the blame game, should be KD.

The real AG

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22 May 2013 10:14:39
US amy red
torres was bought for 20 mill and sold at 50 mil to generate 30 mill profit. caroll was bought at 35 mill and will be sold at 15 mill with a loss of 20 mil.

people moan at torres because he left us to chelsea and had a rift at Liverpool fans.
but the same will be happy to see caroll drunk and making 0 effort with Liverpool and thus generating 20 mill loss. {Ed002's Note - It is a very naive view to look at it this way.}

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21 May 2013 22:19:28
I also like to thank all the eds for their hard work on this site. It's great fun being on here, I hope you keep it up for as long as possible. You guys are awesome. Nice 1!

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21 May 2013 20:39:33
My understanding is Vorm is Rodgers's first choice.

Cheers

Macca

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A quality keeper. Would be happy with that.

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22 May 2013 00:10:30
Not bad, but may be pricey. Thanks for the continual updates Macca.

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Really hope not, Mignolet and Begovic, even Reina are all better. Mignolet and Begovic both younger, hopefully Rodgers doesn't get his way with this one

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No thanks!

Red Lee

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22 May 2013 00:32:36
I think either vorm or begovic would be class, but begovic is better imo,
brian

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By god, What is this guys obsession with past players. Go for Begovic. Boom, Done.

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Vorm £8m no heigher
but we also need a younger keeper

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22 May 2013 13:09:24
Thanks for the info Macca.

I am not convinced by Michel Vorm. While he an excellent shot stopper, pulls of brilliant saves, mainly down to his agility and comparatively smaller frame when compared to say Begovic or Cech, he is not particularly good at other aspects of goalkeeping.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 22:07:03
Replacing reina with vorm is like replacing suarez with di santo

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Maybe 3 years ago mate

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21 May 2013 22:01:38
why are people on this site so shallow and can't see the true ability of a player because of factors out of their own hands? kolo toure isn't out of the city squad because he is a bad player, he is out of the city squad because mancini is an person and has awful man management skills.

but in the eyes of many on this page factors like these make a player a bad one. mascherano was sitting in the reserves of west ham, mcallister was 35 and signed on a free. their situation did not matter, only that the manager saw their talent and signed them. both were brilliant for us and both ha less pedigree and evidence of quality when they signed than toure.

too many people here are judgemental.

toure will be for us what gallas has been for spurs. someone on this page once said we need to make more shrewd signings. now we have one.

toure is still quality and will be good for us if he signs.

Anonymous woolback

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21 May 2013 21:57:12
BBC saying we will sign Kolo Toure on a free in June. J sincerely hope not

RedColz

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21 May 2013 21:35:27
I've heard, from friends in Argentina, that Liverpool have been having a tentative look at Porto's Juan Iturbe. He has just spent the last 6 months on loan at River Plate, scoring once in 10 games. Prior to his move to Porto Iturbe was touted for big things with comparisons to Messi being made from what I can see he was a driving force for Cerro Porteno during their run to the semi finals of the Copa Libertadores

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21 May 2013 20:53:29
Hi Ed`s. What are the chances of sim de jong coming to the premier league this summer? {Ed019's Note - Newcastle were interested in January}

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21 May 2013 22:43:35
Oh well another season over. Already looking forward to next season.

Lots to be optimistic about.

Brendan looks as though he will be the real deal.

Rodolfo is absolutely brilliant.

I really like the emphasis on bringing the talent through from The Academy. Much better than buying in overpaid overhyped big names who have no real affinity for the club and the Liverpool family.

Three or four astute signings to supplement the core of our current squad along with more of the kids to be given a taste of the first team experience and we could all have very big smiles on our faces next season.

Sad to see Carra retire. Wonderful player for us for so many years. A true legend.

By far the most important progress made this season was the breakthrough made in the fight for justice for the 96. YNWA.

Red Custard

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Siem De Jong?
The Dutch Tim Cahill.
Where to play him? Up front? Nope, better off arriving late into the box.

Attacking mid? Nope, not good enough vision and passing.

Just one of those players. Talented footballer, but no idea where on the park really suits him.

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Behind the striker duh

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21 May 2013 20:51:33
I would just like to say thanks to all the eds involved in keeping this site ticking over. We are coming into the year were the rumours are hectic and you probably feel like screaming! But we all appreciate your hard work.

Danny {Ed019's Note - Thanks Danny}

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21 May 2013 20:33:24
Hey Ed's, I read that enrique has attracted attention from other clubs, do u think he Will be sold? I really don't hope so and if that is the case who is the no. 1 replacement? {Ed019's Note - I don't think he will be sold, but we will look at offers for him if there are any}

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21 May 2013 21:19:39
if we have to get a new goalkeeper it has to be mignolet. great shot stopper and young. just hope he is affordable

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But rubbish with his feet

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21 May 2013 21:13:57
Papadopoulos, toure, coutinho, Sturridge = 32 million

Andy Carroll = £35 million

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Crazy when you think about it

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21 May 2013 21:54:37
Dare I say his name Comolli. How has he got away with destroyinng teams for so long? :-)

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Bad buisness for us, but good look to Andy he has played well since his injuries and back in the England fold, who knows, if he keeps this up we might see him bought by city in a couple of years for a fortune. let's hope there is a big sell on clause.

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Carroll was Kenny's target

Kenny wanted Carroll and at any cost because Torres was sold for £50m.

That's how easy it is to loose £20m, buy gambling. thinking just because you sold someone for a ridiculous price now your entitled to making ridiculous decisions. without taking the time to think that Chelsea has the kind of money to spend £50m on players and take a hit of £30m after they sold him. we can't take a £20m hit on players.

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21 May 2013 21:08:19
Rodgers now 5th longest serving manager now let's hope and pray he's round for a long long time because he has us firing now onwards and upwards I believe JON96

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21 May 2013 20:53:56
For all the Rafa fans if he does take the stoke job

( No Chance ) he's getting nearer home, Milan London

And now maybe Stoke its only 45 Miles from Liverpool


Deano95

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21 May 2013 21:56:00
Heard a whisper he's been targeted by Napoli

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21 May 2013 20:51:19
I said this all the other day about VORM and no one had any interest. I personally would take him if we are going to lose reina?

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21 May 2013 21:59:56
Laudrup won't part with him unless it is for ridiculous sum. Look what he's done to Williams (not that i'm complaining)

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Same here we have to really take a step back and think what Reina does.

To my knowledge there is only 3 keepers who play that way currently and its Reina, Valdez and Vorm. (and I'm talking about proven keepers)

Do we have to time to teach a 8-12m keeper how to play the ball on the ground?

Answer is no we don't and that is the same exact reason why Barcelona want Pepe.

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21 May 2013 20:48:41
The rumours linking pepe with a return to barca don't seem to be going away. If we could get tello as part of the deal I think it would be good business and benefit the team. Another attacking option is a priority to replace downing who doesn't contribute any goals.

We obviously have limited transfer funds so would prefer us to spend any money we have on a quality midfielder like ericksen and a quality centre back.

Therefore, if pepe does go think a good money saving option for goalkeeper would be shay given. Mightened have played much this year but he's consistent, experienced and 'free'.

Mark

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Like Toure he is past it.

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I'd seriously try and get Alexis Sanchez in any deal for Reina.
He's not in Barca's plans and they are looking to offload. He's still only 24 and can play either wing, up front and has pace.

We already have an abundance of young talent in Suso, Sterling, Ibe, Sinclair, Yesil and Coutinho.

An attack of Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho, Gerrard and potentially Eriksen with Sanchez could push us to a top four place next season.

Jonesred

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Any chance of a definition of 'past-it' in reference to Toure?

DaveyBootle

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Lost his pace and some of his ability. Not the player he was. Past it

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21 May 2013 20:36:42
Looks like Rodgers will be getting a lot of dealings done early- Carroll to West Ham, Reina to Barcelona and Toure joining, possibly even Begovic and Papadopoulos joining soon. Begovic and Papa would be great signings I think, as long as Papa isn't more than 12/13m and Begovic more than 10m. I remain unconvinced by Toure but I guess only time will tell. I personally would also like a young, goalscoring winger like Tom Ince, but I trust Rodgers will bring in the men we need.

RedKopite

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Begovic (if Reina goes)
Papadopoulos (replace Skrtel)
Ilori (replace Coates)
Tello (replace Downing)

Then just a DM to push Lucas.

In an ideal world Digne to push Enrique too.

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21 May 2013 20:11:22
Hi Ed's would you say all of these are realistic targets for the summer:

kyriakos papadopoulos
christian eriksen
Kolo toure
christian tello {Ed002's Note - Search function broken?}

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21 May 2013 20:05:55
Would anyone take Ryan Babel back on a free?

His contract expires this summer with Ajax and is still only 26. Depending on wages I'd have a look. He's done well since leaving and still has pace and trickery.

If he has developed a work ethic to his game which in the few games I've seen him he seems to have then he'd be worth a punt.

Jonesred

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No. We should be looking forward.

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No thank you

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Sterling, Ibe, Sturridge, Coutinho, Suso, Borini, Suarez.

No chance Ryan Babel.

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Ajax would keep him if he was any use

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Like they kept suarez

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21 May 2013 19:57:14
ed do you know if Carroll would accept the reported move to West Ham? and also the guardian are reporting LFC has a 12m pound bid for Papadopolous do you know if this is true or not? CHEERS ed

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21 May 2013 19:53:38
How come whenever there's serious interest in LFC buying/selling players it's all over the media in hours? Seems like we have a serious leak in our recruitment department.

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Its players agents trying to get more clubs interested to get the price up, and they're % up

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21 May 2013 19:53:15
Good evening fellow Reds,
Rodgers is getting business sorted quickly, Toure is an experienced defender who has won the BPL with 2 clubs and could help our youth players mature.

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Don't agree. Rather buy a first choice CB to partner Agger and a young CB to back them up with Kelly and Wisdom.

K. Toure is well past it.

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21 May 2013 19:53:08
How is Toure brilliant. ?
was he kept out from the city starting eleven by a 19 year old Nastatic?
wen some player come to Liverpool. he becomes sensation.

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Not saying Toure's brilliant, but don't understate how good Nastasic is. He may be 19, but he is one hell of a talent.

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Agree with DP on this. Nastasic is rather good and didn't set much of a foot wrong as far I could see last season. Quality player with a very good future, I think.

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21 May 2013 19:52:19
mark out of 10 for the season? has to be a 6 for me. an improvement on last season albeit a slight one. more goals, a higher league position and better football. fantastic chance to gain more places next season with the right additions and hit the ground running. I think 4th is very much achievable and believe we will finish there at least

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21 May 2013 19:51:09
All been a bit frantic today, once we sort the centre back out which we seem to be focusing on first what position do you think we'll target next ed's?

P. S. good luck this transfer window! {Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work that way.}

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21 May 2013 19:48:32
Eds, could you see Maynor Figueroa as a target? Out of contract soon after being relegated and is someone who can play both CB and LB. {Ed052's Note - no chance}

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21 May 2013 19:43:22
anyone else see this? If every Shot that hit the post had gone in we would have come 4th! {Ed002's Note - If Stoke had won all of their games they would have been top.}

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Ed2 is on form tonight. The most sarcastic of all the eds but the funniest. Classic

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Nice one ED

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Nice one ED

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Not cool ed ;)

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21 May 2013 19:38:50
Andy Carroll done deal - 12 million upfront + adds on depending on apperances etc

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It depends on Carroll he may not want to stay at West Ham!

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20 million up the swany. Shocking

Gazman

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I know I am in the minority that would like to see the lad stay. Still think he would do a better job than Borini.

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He refuses to sit on the bench and isn't as good as Suarez or Sturridge so Carroll has no place at LFC. I've heard the deal is for 15m upfront with possible 1-2m in add ons. As good as we could hope for at this point.

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21 May 2013 19:35:22
Odds on players linked to Liverpool
Villa 12/1
Torres 8/1
Richards 2/1
Danny rose 2/1
Sam Byram 20/1
Ben Arfa 12/1
Thomas Ince 15/8
James McCarthy 6/1
Ashley Williams 7/1
Xabi Alonso 3/1 Favourite!
Eriksen 2/1
Scott Sinclair 5/1
Begovic 2/5 favourite

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Bigger chance for Torres than Ben Arfa. Seriously

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Just goes to show how crap these odds markets are.

The Irish Rover

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How can Alonso be favourite when there are 5 players shorter priced?

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I think the OP means Liverpool are favourites to sign him with the bookies.

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21 May 2013 19:32:01
Jamie Carragher:

35 years old
Defender
Experienced
Won trophies
Leader/organiser
Strong/good reader
Committed
Club Legend
Strong presence in the dressing room

Kolo Toure:

32 years old
Defender
Experienced
Won Trophies
Leader/organiser
Strong/quick/good in the air
Committed
Free transfer
Strong presence in the dressing room

With Carragher going that void needs filling some how. Ok no-one will ever be Jamie but as part of the squad the free transfer of Toure makes sense!

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Stupid comparison. Will Toure have the same love and devotion for our club as Carra? No, more like collecting a last big pay packet.

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If we are only able to replace Carra with someone with the same love and devotion to Liverpool then we could be in some trouble. If the idea is to get in someone experienced now, while our younger centre backs get more experience then I can see the logic. Maybe not exactly my favourite player but I can see the logic in someone like him.

Andy K

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Who's to say Kolo will still be capable at 35?
There's not set age that a player must retire. Some last until they're 38, some 30.
If Kolo got injured, it may very well be the end for him.

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He doesn't have to be capable at 35 he just has to be capable for 2 seasons. until Ilori (if we get him), kelly, wisdom and jones step up to premiership level.

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21 May 2013 19:30:07
Haha ed. brilliant, but he said a player not specifically Andy Carroll

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21 May 2013 19:11:40
i have been told that Carrol will be replaced with Eriksen and the hard work is all but done. sounds like its moving fast and the person who has shared this info expects news very soon. Its going to be an exciting summer window.

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This voice is in your head?

The real AG

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21 May 2013 19:08:17
BBC reporting Andy Carroll 15 million fee agreed, its down to Carroll if he wants to move now as it seems the Newcastle interest has cooled.
There, we can forget the big man plan B, he's definitely going and not wanted by Rodgers.
I think we're in for a few surprises this window too.
YNWA JFT96

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21 May 2013 19:08:02
Hi Eds, not posted in a while. Just heard about the Kolo Toure rumours that's being banded around. If it's true, I think it could be a smart bit of business by BR. What with JC retiring, and with Skrtel seemingly on his way out we'd only have Agger left who has any genuine experience at centre back.

2 premiership medals, plenty of EPL experience, but hasn't played much the last couple of seasons. I was wondering that, as i'm sure his lack of match fitness would be considered, not to mention what he would have been payed while at City, could a pay as you play deal be considered if he were to sign?

Thanks.

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In my opinion it's a very shrewd bit of business, especially for a couple of years. He's experienced and a winner, exactly what BR is looking for in players. Plus in a couple of years Kelly and Wisdom will be ready to take over the centre back pairings.
Another note yes we have lost 20 million pound on carrol. But he never fitted the club nor the system at least at West Ham United they will build their team around him.

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21 May 2013 19:05:08
And Andy C to West Ham for 15m!

Paid 35m!

Loss 20m just on the sale.


What a terrible bit of business - its no wonder why FSG are much more reticent to spend big without being absolutely sure - they were severely stung - I'm not even going to mention how much we spent on useless Downing.

M

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M,

I'm going to need antidepressants if I read any more of your posts.

I like to think of that 15 mill as 15 mill in the transfer kitty.

Davey Sulls

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M stands for manc, davey

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M, so you would have asked for what, £25m, £30m or £35m? And how many clubs would have paid that, do you honestly think? The alternative would have been keeping him at the club to sit on the bench until his contract was up then let him go for nothing - then you might have had a heart attack.

Going by our posts today your blood pressure must be sending you towards one as it is.

Mr Benn

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It's £15M gained! We do not want him - he is not good enough - so if we keep him it's a £35M loss (plus wages) - this way we get something for a bad piece of business now put right

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2 m loan fee and this years wages paid added to the 15m plus add ons ill take that hope we get some deals done now

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You're forgetting we got 50m for a player that was only worth 25m max.

Is that a nett gain of 5m then? lol

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21 May 2013 19:04:25
BBC is reporting that a fee of £15m has been agreed for Carroll. So, only a £20m loss on a player that has been costing us £80k a week prior to his loan then. Still, hope this happens, better to get the deals done nice and early and kick on with improving the team. What do you think about Kolo Toure?

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21 May 2013 18:58:22
15m for Carroll truth be told I'm disappointed played well last part of the season however
In Rodgers We Trust

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21 May 2013 18:53:39
Why are people complaining about Toure possibly signing?.
We need some proven world class, he is proven world class, we need a leader, he is a leader, he's a prem medal to his name and is strong in the air something we've been missing bigtime, he's still only 32 and could be a big influence at the back.
I don't get some people I really dont. Youd rather Alderweild or de vrij, both who most have never ever seen play a game of football and both who would need time to bed in in the premier league.
Rodgers said we need experience now to kick on and quality, Toure is quality seeing as though he won a league winners medal two years back and none of our squad did.
He'll do for me no worries. can't wait for the window to fire up!
YNWA JFT96

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21 May 2013 18:52:25
Even if we don't sign him tiago illori deserves a mention just for his full name it is: Tiago Abiola Delfim Almeida Ilori, what a mouthful! Even those infamous brazillian commentators would struggle to get that out.

Lil Red

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It's pronounced, Tee-Ah-Go
Ah-bee-Oh-La
Dell-Feem
Al-May-Da

The real AG

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The real AG now do one for Ilori

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21 May 2013 18:49:32
The Guardian are reporting that not only have we agreed a fee of 15 million with west ham for Carroll, but we have bid 12 million for Kyriakos Papadopoulos

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21 May 2013 18:42:00
Apparently 15 million fee agreed for Carroll with West Ham.

If this is the case I would like us to include a clause in some way which makes us a few million when he scores 50 goals for them.

Everton did something similar in the Rooney deal. Other clubs have also done this so why shouldn't we? He's still relatively young so could achieve this in a few seasons.

Losing 10 million on a player rather than 15 million sits better with me and probably the club.




Jonesred

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If we include a clause which gives us a million every time he goes into a Wetherspoon's then we will be laughin!

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21 May 2013 18:34:43
Whats the problem with Kolo Toure? He was part of the Invincibles!

Hes a great defender, who has been abused by Manchester City. Still a very good international, and very physically fit. Most Africans play well into their late 30's, and he has more experience than any other player in our team except Gerrard. Sign him up on a free transfer. £4m signing on fee spread across a 3 year contract, and £60k/week basic salary. that's roughly £90k a week but bear in mind he will come with no transfer fee. that's good business when you look at what we are getting. Toure is a winner.

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Spot on mate

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Well said. he fits in nicely

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21 May 2013 18:33:27
Couldnt agree more
Would be an excellent signing

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Is he the type we need though I was to the thinking we need a talker leader most importantly height strength and pace the main three he did have but not anymore imagine him against the likes of benteke/fellaini/lukaku/carroll we need to find our own kompany

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21 May 2013 18:27:22
I hope Reina does leave this summer, for me he hasn't been playing well for nearly 3 seasons. He's played a few quality games this season but not enough of them.

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21 May 2013 18:24:07
United fan in peace, so guys with all that's gone on this season, what do you guys realistically think you can achieve next season? Obviously with the right signings m

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I think that next season it will be a race for third and fourth between us, you, arsenal and possibly the spuds depending on wheather bale leaves!

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Top 4 of course. i'd be more concerned where united gona finish

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Top four how about you

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United fan in peace is a rarity on here, fair play! Hopefully 4th, but realistically I'd be happy with 5th. I always knew this season would be really tough, but next season is a real indication as to whether Rodgers is going to really push the team forward. I'd settle for the Europa League next year, but CL will always be the aim. With teams and managers in flux, it's a real opportunity, we just have to make sure we have a much more successful start than we did this season just gone. If we can keep the momentum up in front of goal like we have since January, then all we really need is our back line strengthened and we have an interesting team.

JFT 96

JP

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Hopefully in a CL spot.

The real AG

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Has to be CL or Rodgers will be history.

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21 May 2013 18:20:28
Hi eds there just saying on sly sport's news westham have signed andy carroll. its a done deal I'm hoping we got good money for him. jay essex red for life red till dead

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I believe it suggested that a fee had been agreed by the clubs and not the player, so it is not a done deal.

Andy K

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21 May 2013 18:18:53
Kolo Toure? Blimey, it's come to this. Perhaps you could resign Emile Heskey and see if Alan Hansen wants to pull his boots on again.

AJH

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Hmmm, so which team do you support. Utd. , Everton, arsenal, spurs or Chelsea?

Kolo T is an ideal 2 year replacement for carra, not the same type of player but has the prem experience and allows the rebuild to take continue. Only question I have relates to his hunger to want to win, I would hope he still has that.

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Unfortunately AJH it's people like you who clearly know nothing about football who can't see the logic of replacing a vastly experienced Premier League player whos a natural leader like Carragher with a player whos vastly experienced in the Premier League, a natural leader with presence like Kolo Toure for FREE.
He won't really be a first team player but solid, experienced defensive back-up and really good to have in the squad around the younger players.
Squads need balance.

dannyMAC

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Fergie did re sign Scholes!

The Irish Rover

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'AJH' is a MU supporter. Not the best at banter either obviously.

The real AG

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'see if Alan Hansen wants to pull his boots on again. '

That awkward moment when a United troll makes a comment such as this when only last year Scholes came out of retirement after United went begging.

Give it up AJH, your banter is p*ss poor.

JFT 96

JP

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Frankly I'm hurt. To compare Scholes to Toure is somewhat bizarre. My point was that the mighty Liverpool now see signing Kolo Toure as a good move. SAF might have re-signed Scholes (?) but we then won the league so it seems to have paid off, not sure it was a awkward moment. Bless, I'm sure you'll all remind me of your 5 European Cups whilst iyou count the years since you last won the league (23 I believe). Have a nice close season.

AJH :-)

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. and the fact you are all so excited to sign Toure merely proves my point. Reminds me of when you started signing players of the quality of David Speedie and Jimmy Carter. Glory days are back eh?

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AJH. It took utd 26 yrs to win the league. Come back in 3 yrs and then start gloating:-)

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No it doesn't prove your point. As you point out, MU won the title after re-signing Ginger Bread Man, while LFC have yet to complete Toure signing and the next season has not started.

If he signs, he will be a squad CB, providing experience, cover and when called upon, leadership.

The real AG

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Im still waiting for Ashley Young to be a better signing than Downing.

Kopping a feel

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21 May 2013 18:11:14
What's all this crap about toure coming to Liverpool. Wouldn't be bad for a year or two as cover but I don't think he is good enough anymore. What are your options eds and fellow reds

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21 May 2013 18:03:24
I for one don't think Enrique is a bad left back. He sure had his moments this season, but he changed in the second half of season with very impressive performances. He isn't that great but better than average and certainly better than some people think of him. Has adopted well with the teams play, very good understanding with attacking players. So selling him would be a no go for me unless someone comes for him with a high bid. We just need someone to compete with him for that spot. Also if we intend to make so many changes to the squad I think its again starting all over. We need to keep group together but of course the necessary changes is needed but changing the entire backline in one season might not be that good at the end as it will take time for the new comers to adopt, besides our defense is not as that bad people think of. With Carra already gone, now rumours going on about pepe, skrtel, Johnson leaving adding Enrique to it that's something not so appealing to me. So if pepe is to leave to barca I hope tello is included in any part of the deal and begovic won't be a bad choice to replace him. I think defensive targets strongly linked with us comes in they can do well. I am happy with kolo, papa nd llori. . Bosco

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21 May 2013 17:51:24
someones just posted that toures a done deal, begovic bid has been accepted and we've launched a bid for erikson any truth in this mate? Great site good job.

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21 May 2013 17:41:41
Why don't we go and get Tony Adams too!

Toure!

We are LFC not blooming Swansea!

BR has no idea. still an apprentice for me.

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Think your the one who sounds like am apprentice. tis a squad game. chap is free and maybe 50k a 4 a 2yr contract

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Pathetic (origional) post.
It's a free, yes FREE signing of a very experienced Premier League player who has captained both Arsenal and Manchester City. If you haven't noticed we've just lost a very experienced leader and defender and that needs replacing. He is going to be someone good to have around the squad and someone who's going to help the younger players in his position.
I say get an older, experienced defender in there for free and then spend the money on quality promising younger defenders, plus the ones we already have.
In light of Carra going and that presence gone from the dressing room I think a free transfer like this, for Toure, makes sense.
Its about the structure and make-up of the whole squad and that void left by Carragher needs filling somehow.

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Its an intelligent move if he wants rid of Skrtel and Coates with Carra already hanging up his boots. I am hoping we get Papa as first choice with Agger, then have Toure offering cover with Kelly and Wisdom. If he sees Toure as a first choice center back and not cover then I am worried but let's wait and see what the rest of the summer transfers will bring before you start slating Rodgers.

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Im guessing he won't be free if he's getting a signing on fee.

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Ignore M's lunatic ramblings folks, he is rapidly replacing Ozone as the most negative poster here.

The real AG

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Apparently there won't be a signing on fee.

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21 May 2013 17:39:00
Liverpool fc have not agreed any deals for any players in or out as of yet. JFT96 x

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Well done for stating the obvious I wish I had your knowledge I would go very far in life

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They have now, bye bye Andy.

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21 May 2013 19:21:14
that was a great post right before we sold carroll good 1 lfc red. Tommy Irish Red

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21 May 2013 19:49:10
Carroll hasn't been sold yet.

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21 May 2013 17:32:26
Why is everyone beefing about Kolo signing? Its a quality bit of business! Put it this way- i'd rather have him (quality experience) coming off the bench to sew a game that we r winning 1-0 than a young pretender who has the brown in his pants.
Shabba!

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21 May 2013 17:22:24
I think, if its true, the kolo signing is a brilliant idea. Without carra, there's not much experience or leadership quality. I don't expect him to be first choice obviously, but a great back up and a sort of mentor to the others.
On another note, I really want to see coutinho and suso on the pitch at the same time next season :)

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Spot on mate!

billynwa

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21 May 2013 17:01:51
hey fellow reds. my first post in a long time but just wanted to say I hope we don't waste any more money on squad players coates assaidi etc when we have bags of potential with suso sterling ibe coady to cover. I just feel now, going by our form for the 2nd half of the season that we are not far off the pace for champions league places and any money spent now should be done so with the idea of pushing straight for a starting position. also I the purchases of DS and PC prove you don't have to go crazy spending. straight swap carroll for ben arfa. toure for carra, similar players for me with their organisation skills and vocal capabilities their strong points. swap jonjo for diame. sell wilson pacheco assaidi coates spearing and buy erikson. then sell skyrtel for 9m and buy papadopoulos. skrtel for me always looks nervous when left one on one. I think kelly and wisdom can also cover cb. I lso think BR would consider any offer for dowing and hendo. no doubt they have improved but just lacking imo. all said I am as excited as I have been for a number of years. roll on august ynwa SCARFACE

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21 May 2013 15:06:45
Hi Ed002,
please tell me Kolo Toure isn`t on Liverpool`s radar. It might not be the best of deals, hope Rodgers knows that too. all the best to all eds, thanks.

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Why Tom? As a free transfer, of a vastly experienced Premier League defender who's a natural leader and a big presence on and off the pitch to help and assist the younger defenders. You know like the one we've just lost, explain to me what's wrong with it.

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A free like Joe Cole was?

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21 May 2013 16:58:36
Have to say I'm chuffed to see so much optimism from the fans. toure for the right price is a cracking idea, experience, strength and competition (and as somebody pointed out earlier) he's got a PL winners medal, anybody else in the squad own one of those?

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As long as his wages are not to much I agree.

billynwa

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21 May 2013 15:30:35
hi eds

its going to be a busy few months for you now let the rumours flow in. how many players do you think we will sign, or does it all depend on the sales we generate
appreciate your responce I know your busy now

kopit {Ed052's Note - 5. And deals will depend partly on sales}

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21 May 2013 16:24:58
Why oh why would the club be interested in kolo toure. If it was yaya then maybe but kolo is very inconsistent and he sulks

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I imagine he would only be used as a backup. We have a young squad and his experience wouldn't be a bad thing really.

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1. Good leader and organiser at the back. Remember how we would leak goals when Reina was out-of-form, Carra was on the bench and Lucas was out injured?
2. Would cost next to nothing in terms of signing fee.
3. Inconsistent? He was a mainstay of a very strong Arsenal squad and their defensive rock.
4. Experienced for the PL.
5. Strong in the air.

The only qualm for me is his failed dope test, but if he can help us keep clean sheets next season, I'd happily over-look that bit of blemish on his CV.

A sensible deal for me, helping us to spend our treasure chest on other areas.

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If he sulks, he'll feel right at home with half the fans who post on here!

Mr Benn

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Well said Mr Benn.
Some on here don't have a clue.

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So Mr/Ms OP, you think Yaya Toure, if was moving to LFC, it's a 'maybe' for you?

That just about sums up your footballing knowledge.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 16:21:01
is it true about Kolo Toure coming to Liverpool

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21 May 2013 16:20:20
Hi Ed's and Reds
Bosnian press is certain that Begovic will be a Liverpool player by the 10th of July.
Not claiming to be my news.

Stoffe

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21 May 2013 16:18:11
Reina out. Ron Robert Zieler in!

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21 May 2013 16:09:38
Is the Begovic news nonsense or is there some truth in it

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21 May 2013 16:05:06
How many had Toure on there list yesterday, I bet none I think BR has a few more surprises before the close of the transfer window. kls

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21 May 2013 15:54:39
Christian Eriksen, Asmir Begović, Kyriakos Papadopoulos?

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21 May 2013 17:04:16
this would make me a very happy LFC supporter. fingers crossed eh!

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21 May 2013 15:14:33
Strootman or Eriksen who would you pick?

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Eriksen by a mile.

Jonesred

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21 May 2013 16:41:51
Eriksen especially if we get him less than €15M. Strootman would be nearer to the €20M mark.

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Eriksen is the better player but Strootman fits Rodger's 4-3-3.

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21 May 2013 15:08:40
Hello Eds,
A question for Ed001
what do you make of Liverpool's acquisition of Toure?
I personally reckon its a no-brainer especially considering he is available for nothing and he agrees on reasonable wages (say 50k-60k).

I love that we are also going for the Greek CB and possibly Illori but what when in certain games we need a leader at the back especially as we are likely to have a new inexperienced GK as well. Really believe he could be a great buy on a possible 2 yr contract until Kelly, Wisdom and possible the greek and Illori establish themselves. {Ed001's Note - on the right wages, he seems to be a good signing. He has pace, comfortable on the ball (he started out making appearances for Arsenal as a midfielder), strong and looks a good fit for our system.}

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When you consider he's 32 will be on highish wages and also will command a signing on fee. I'd really like to see us look elsewhere.

There's players such as De Vrij and Alderweireld who would be a much better fit and are 10 years younger than Toure.

I hope he is using us as a way to force a move abroad. Plus at 32 does he fit our policy?

Jonesred

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Experience never hurts. Plus he is coming on a free transfer. As long as there is no signing-on fee & on reasonable wages, it is a good acquisition.

Chaki

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Jonesred those two players wont move to sit on the bench like toure will and he has experience and has won two titles

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Personally I have to agree with Ed001. As a back-up, considering he arrives for free, requires no signing-on fee (which is what many people are saying) and is on reasonable wages as the OP said, then he will be a good addition to help us get into the top four.

He has Champions League experience - he played in a final with Arsenal many years back; he has won league titles; he has played over 400 Premier League games - surely he can't be a bad addition to the squad.

So long as we get a younger first team choice such as Botia/de Vrij etc. to play with him as back-up, then I'm all for him signing!

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Why would Alderweireld or De Vrij be sitting on the bench? They would be in the side next to Agger with Skrtle on the bench (if he's still there).

Jonesred

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21 May 2013 15:03:55
I believe that Kolo Toure would be a quality signing as he will add some needed experience to our young squad, still a top player in my opinion and can play for at least another two years in the pl. also is there any interest in Kouyate?, very solid defender, loads of potential and a cheaper and more realistic option to Zouma and other unrealistic names we've been linked with

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If we sell Skrtel for around 12 million and get Toure on a free, seems good buisness to me. Still need atleast 2 more CB's though if Coates goes and I haven't seen enough of this Ilori to judge.

Jay

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21 May 2013 14:36:19
haven't been on here for a few days and looked at Macca's comments. i'm fuming to be honest.

Whoever or whatever player leaves 7 would be massive! we need a stable side and we seem to be changing massively every summer! If this happens, regardless of who we sign I don't there will be any progress in the league. We need stability and we are not getting it.

And selling reina is a massive mistake. who will replace him? Probably spending 15 mil on a keeper when we already have a decent one! Also think kolo toure signing would be ludicrous, the wages he would demand I really don't see the point. Its going to be like this year of experience has been for nothing if we change like this again.

Danny

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Danny, Have you cinsidered that Reina might have asked to leave?

As for 6-7 players leaving, Carroll, Spearing and Wilson are already out on loan, while the likes of Assaidi, Skrtel, Reina, Coates are the probably the others to leave.

Apart from Reina, none of the others are first choice and Skrtel is the only other player among them who gets into match day squads.

The real AG

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Most of those seven are going to be squad players that will be replaced by players that are better than them. How is this not a good thing. A few of the signings will probably come straight into the first team and then probably a few more that will be back up players to provide greater competition. How is this not a good thing.

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Agree Danny seven changes is to many, and we will have another season of rebuilding, waiting for players to bed in etc.

But I disagree with Toure I think he would make an excellent signing, if only on a 2 year deal. Loads of experance to guide the youngsters Wisdom, kelly, Flanagen, Robinson until there are ready to play week in week out.

Basil

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Relax Danny Boy

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Ngoo, Pacheco, Coates, Spearing, Carroll, Shelvey, Assaidi. 7 players that could leave without a massive impact by any description of the word and would keep stability in the side perfectly happily. And Reina is not 'being sold' - Reina may or may not want to leave. Not the same thing 'we never keep players trapped against their will in LFC.

You have no idea what we will be paying Kolo Toure, but if you really don't have any idea why we might want him I'll spell it out - he's a good, heavily experienced CB who is very strong in the air and covers a number of attributes that we have been missing in our team for a while, and will definitely need with Carraghers retirement. There is currently nothing to suggest that 9 of the most regular first 11 this season will not be starting the first game next season (injuries and suspensions aside), so stop panicking

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Remember, five of those leaving will be Carroll, Spearing, Assaidi, Pacheco and Coates, none of whom have contributed to our first-team picture this season.

Also Carragher and Wilson, who have left already.

I agree your point about stability, one transitional season is enough.

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How can you be fuming at rumours, wait till there's something concrete to get angry about, lol.

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Lfc moaniest fans in the world|

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Seven changes is not enough we have loads we could sell no good putting up with players just because your scared of changes

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21 May 2013 14:31:13
for CB I think we should be looking at Adil Rami of Valencia, Angelo Ogbonna of Torino and Aymen Abdennour of Toulouse. all will be looking to get first team football to secure a place in their respective world cup squads

Rami (10mil)
Ogbonna (15mil)
Abdennour (8mil)

we should also take a shot at getting Luke Shaw from southampton, seeing as their last LB prospect hasn't done too bad for himself in the EPL 10-15 should do it.

finally Angel Di Maria has been listed by Real Madrid, I think it would be a smart move to make a bid for him, would be a brilliant signing IMHO

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Apart from Abdennour, none of the others are realistic, though I would have liked to sign Rami.

And no way are the club going to spend 33 million (based on your numbers) on 3 CBs.

The real AG

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I never said we should sign all. iam saying to replace Carra we should look at the 3 CB's I named. and why are they unrealistic? Rami needs first team football to get into the France team, we can clearly offer that to him as well as Ogbonna. people seem to think that no top players will come to a club without CL football but with this being a WC year players a desperate for game time to get into their respective teams squads and we're a team on the Up that can provide that time.

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Maybe because LFC have NOT shown any interest in any of them, except Abdennour?

Lukakau, Di Maria? That's enough for me to understand your opinion, while respected, is fantasy.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 14:29:43
eds is papadopolous a good player? what kind of player is he? slow, fast, leader etc? {Ed002's Note - Tall with child like complexion.}

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Nice one ED2. How the hell you are always so positive?

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21 May 2013 14:46:08
ed. you beauty.

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Hahah. Brilliant Ed002!

Somehow, your description is literally true!

The real AG

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His wikipedia photo is slightly chubby

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Nice on Ed.
The small amount I have seen if him he looks big and strong, attacks the ball at both ends of the field, puts himself in where it hurts when necessary and is deceptively quick for a big guy. He seemed to use the ball quite well but some of the first time passes he drops into midfield when he intercepts a through ball may cause problems if the midfield aren't switched on. I was quite impressed. I feel he could be an improvement on what we have. Having said that I hope Kelly and Wisdom are given a shot.

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21 May 2013 14:29:16
IN:
Ben Arfa - 12m
Papadopolous - 16m
Mignolet - 6m
Eriksen - 15m

OUT:
Reina - 10m
Skrtel - 8m
Carroll - 14m

NET SPENDING: 17m

Hope this happens

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£12 million on a player who plays about 10 games a season?

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21 May 2013 14:21:56
even if we get eriksen, toure, the schalke lad, alderweild, tello, ince, trapp (which won't happen) that is just to many changes! starting from scratch again because of a number of past mistakes. ridiculous!

Danny

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21 May 2013 14:18:04
Ins:
Kolo Toure - Free
Toby Alderweireld - £8million
Tiago Ilori - £4million
Christian Eriksen - £15million + Assaidi
Lucas Digne - £8million

Outs:
Andy Carroll - £15million
Jay Spearing - £2million
Martin Skrtel - £12million
Jonjo Shelvey - £7million
Dani Pacheco - £1million

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Doubt we'll sell Shelvey.
Che47

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21 May 2013 14:13:52
Are man city, Manchester United and everton fans and chelsea fans creating a group called made up rumours because the amount of rubbish I read on here is unbelievable!1

Ruddy, Vlaar, blah blah blah. what utter nonsense!
JME

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Note the name of the site.

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21 May 2013 14:11:09
ed2 got it right about monacos big spending

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21 May 2013 14:07:08
What do u think of future of some players who are on loan like danny wilson, Ngoo and spearing?

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21 May 2013 14:04:23
Hello there Eds and reds. Was havin another 'couch selector' moment after thinkin bout the possible look of the the team next season. And I've just got this picture in my head of a front line up looking like. Tello-Suarez-Sturridge
Coutinho
And I love it. ! And imo something along the lines of ince replacing downing and rotating with sturridge for that spot. I was thinking about the defensive midfielder to challenge lucas and I personally think henderson could be cover lucas and maybe try challenge him for the spot. He seemed to thrive on having to fight for a spot this season and showed some passion for the club while doing it. And with the rumours about eriksen. which I wouldn't mind possibly Ed001s opinion on. The talk is of him or someone of that mould to replace gerrard but he is at the moment a high attacking midfielder. i'm wondering if he might be seen to come in and play the deeper lying playmaker as gerrard has been. Or there's the possibility as to weather the eriksen rumours are just speculation lingering from before coutinho looked so promising. Cheers

Smurf {Ed002's Note - Ed001 has gone out dancing, but I am sure he would be as excited as you.}

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21 May 2013 13:53:41
So Monaco have spent 59 million on Joao Moutinho and James Rodriguez, football has become a joke! far to much money in the game. All it takes is a Russian billionaire and anybody can make waves in European football. So who next? Royal Antwerp? Foggia? Wrexham?

Marc

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How much was moutinho's deal to spurs before it fell true ed's? And Rodriguez was always quoted for 35million so what's wrong with the prices Carroll and suarez where not far off!! You lot sound jealous

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Someone tried with Notts County. Turned out to be a fraud. Nearly destroyed the oldest club in professional football.

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21 May 2013 13:53:09
Tiago Ilori and Diego Capel to come in from Sporting. combined fee around 10 million.

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Nope. Ilori would cost about 3 million and Capel is available for any takers at 4 million pounds.

The real AG

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I reckon its 10 million Euros.

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Yes, 10 million euros.

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21 May 2013 13:51:08
Relax
I think we have done good business under BR.
Allen - started really well, are best player (did you forget) then had injures, he'll be alright.
Borini - injured, too soon to judge, but promising.
Sturridge - enough said. , delivered.
Coutinho - quality.

So why are you doubting him. Sit back and trust the club.

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Great post Pistol Pete, its going to be a promising summer window. I think if we do our business quickly we'll be in good shape come the start of the season.

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Allen - sh1t
Borini - worst striker since Heskey
Assaidi - who?
Sahin - slow, waste of wages
Yesil - not had a chance yet
Sturridge - great
Coutinho - world class

2 out of 7. Not incredible but if we can get 2/3 players of Coutinho and Sturridge's ability we will push for top 4

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How is it two out of seven when borini has been injured for months yesil is a youth player also injured for months and Allen was our best player until his dip in form which hopefully won't last any longer. And if U can judge borini after few games that well U should be sought by every club worldwide. Its cretins like U that makes people hate Liverpool fans

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21 May 2013 13:47:33
Would people be happy with £12million plus diame for Andy Carroll?

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21 May 2013 14:28:08
15 mil + diame. would be a steal.

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Nope.

That would be like, You go out to the supermarket to buy Potato and coming back having bought Eggs.

The real AG

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The Real AG, how is that the same? We don't need a striker we need a defensive midfield cover, and Diame is perfect, plus we get 15m for a CB too.

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Except, Diame is NOT a defensive mid. He is a box to box central midfielder who is more effective as an attacking mid.

We have Henderson, who is already better than Diame in that respect, while more versatile and younger.

All of this is mute because we have no interest in him at this point.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 13:46:27
With the rumoured outgoings I'd pursue:
GK CBx2 LB DM AM RW ST
GK: Kevin Trapp 5-10m
CB: Papadoplous 10-15m
CB: Kurt Zouma 8-10m
DM CB LB: Gustavo 8-10m
AM: Eriksen 12-15m
LW RW ST: Tello 8-10m

Likely outs: Carroll
Skrtel
Carra
Coates
Spearing
Assaidi
Reina
Plus Morgan Ngoo Wilson etc

Possible outs: Shelvey
Downing
Borini

I think there is going to be a crazy summer where perhaps Liverpool could set themselves up well for the next 5 years if they get there transfers right.

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21 May 2013 13:43:25
Skrtel and Coates will be sold if the right offers come in, Toure and a younger centre back will be brought in as replacements with Kelly and Wisdom given more central defensive roles, as a competent wingback able to play both left and right is being sought after.

Carroll will be sold, Downing and Shelvey too, if the right offer comes in. We're seeking two forward players, capable of playing out wide and a central position, a la Coutinho and Suarez.

Central midfield (defensive) is also a position being looked at as requiring strength in depth, but is taking a backseat until those mentioned above are sorted.

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BS.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 13:34:45
most of money available to BR, will prob be spend on the defensive side of the team, maybe 2 CB, one LB,. Can see a swap deal with Reina for V Valdes. stick a few quid on murinho going to Man City instead of chelsea!
the jazz

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21 May 2013 13:30:07
Anybody believe that Ngoo may stay next season or be let go?
Scouse_Pride

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21 May 2013 13:23:38
Not a rumour and I don't believe Rodgers or the owners would go for him/want him but kolo toure can f**k right off! If we have to settle for that.
We need to keep this current team together bring through the youngster and get a solid defence in place. Do that and a top 4 or beyond is not put the question. FACT!

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Kolo toure would be a fantastic signing for a 3rd choice defender

he has won 2 titles, who in our team can boast the same thing

think about it mate

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21 May 2013 13:17:58
I really believe that br is the man to take us forward.
Coutinho what a signing, our very own david silva in the making! harleysace

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21 May 2013 13:16:26
I don't get what all the Kolo Toure bashing is about really. Bear in mind this guy was City captain, he's a solid defender and still has a few good years left in him. He has bags of PL and European experience, is on a free and considering we've just lost one of our leaders to retirement we need another vocal, solid defender who can help the youngsters improve and develop as well as strengthen our back line. I think Toure would be a shrewd capture on a free (if wages were negotiated appropriately) - Whenever he's played for City this season he's been solid. He's powerful and still pretty quick. I think he could do a job for us. Either way, whoever comes in to LFC this window, as with every window, will get my full support. Berating a player before he's even joined is beyond ludicrous. Look how all the Sturridge haters suddenly went quiet. If the guy does come in, why not rally behind him instead of picking out his faults?

JFT 96

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I think it all depends on how much we pay him. If he essentially picks up Carraghers pay cheque then it's too much, if he is paid according to his seniority then great. People seem to be worried that he's going to come and and be getting City wages, which will damage our ability to get players with more of a future

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Agreed.

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Toure should be on similar to Carra as he his a better footballer.

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Carra was earning 90k a week, Toure will want a lot more than that - you can thank Citeh for that putting players on silly money contracts!

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Carra was on more than 90k a week.

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21 May 2013 13:14:01
Is it true Liverpool is scouting Zubas? Seen him last year at Champions League 2nd round, when Ekarns played with Shamrock here in Ireland. The lad single handedly secured 0:0 as the rest of their team was kinda weak. Think he's got a good future, athough comes from very unknown environment.
Could someone make a profile?

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Is that you Zubas?

Marc

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21 May 2013 13:10:21
I mis Read, Toure not a done deal

big Al

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21 May 2013 12:55:42
Imagine if we could of signed Pogba when he left Manchester United themat would of solved our defensive mid position & virtually only cost his wage

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And imagine if Ferguson would have allowed it as well?
No?
I thought not.
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Exactly when was the last time they did business with us, or us with them? I remember very well the Phil Chisnall transfer to us in '64, I cannot recall anyone directly leaving us for them.
So keep imagining.

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We didn't.

Is that the extent of your imagination? Pogba? Why not Ronaldo? Maybe Neymar?

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Didn't Pogba leave on a free? They couldn't have blocked it if he did.

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The decision would have been down to Paul and not Manchester United as his contract was up.
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21 May 2013 16:19:14
we just educated sir mat for them and he brought them success and only for that dodgy ref in 1965 they became the first english club to win the european cup. Tommy Irish Red

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He left because he was out of contract so the first 2 replies are irrelevant. Small compen fee and high wages but well worth it one of the top talents in world football fergies worst mistake since picking Evans over pique

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21 May 2013 12:55:17
Toure, done deal.

Big Al

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21 May 2013 12:55:08
I have some info for you lot.

I often read this forum but have not yet registered.

I have some news from a good friend who has a box at anfield and no this is not bullsh!t. We have already agreed to sign alex pearce on a free transfer from reading.

If I hear anymore I will post.

Thanks
Ross

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This is Bullsh!t.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 12:50:25
I think Skrtel, Reina, Carrol, Downing, Spearing, Pacheco could be the ones on their way out and a few loans for the youngsters.

Lots of reports of Toure coming in on a free (which I think will be good just as back up) and then Papa and Llori. Sounds good to me. Few reports of Capel from Sporting aswell for £4million. Haven't seen him play so can't comment. Seems to be a squad player at best.

Exciting summer ahead I think.

Bristol Red

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We shouldn't buy squad players when you have the likes of Ibe Sterling Suso etc.

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21 May 2013 12:48:34
Really hope Ed002 you are wrong on the kyriakos papadopoulos front and chelsea just bugger off to get someone else.
Every major journo in England is reporting that the greek is LFC's primary target for CB.

Also what is everyone's take on the potential signings of Toure and possibly Capel?
I reckon people are taking it in a real negative way. Why not rather look at it this way
We might be moving on 2-3 Squad players in Coates, Skrtel and Downing and getting 2 squad players on less wages and more or less same ability than those departing. At the same time adding money to our budget to get the first team players required like kyriakos papadopoulos, Illori, Alex Sandro, James McCarthy and possibly Mignolet.

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21 May 2013 12:39:01
please tell me that the rumours of us nearing a deal for KOLO TOURE are FALSE! the players is beyond it. no use wasting the high wages he would demand on a player that can't get a sniff in at city and is slow as ox. we need to strengthen not take scraps off the top 4 teams. NO THANK YOU!

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21 May 2013 12:29:54
going by Macca, players likely to be leaving imo are:

Skrtel - 10 million
Coates - 4.5 million
Assaidi - 2 million
Carrol - 12 million
Spearing - 1 million
downing - 7 million
Pacheco, wilson, flanagan and Ngoo are the fringe players I believe will leave.
To get top4 we need to get:
1) Experienced CB - Kolo Toure imo would be good free transfer signing

2) A young, tough tackling and mobile CB who can also play as CDM - Papadopoulos would be a fantastic coup if we get him or maybe Zambrano

3) A left back to compete with enrique - Digne/Neil Taylor

4) A wide forward - Tello at around 10 million would be an absolute steal.

I don't see Reina leaving after his post match interview. With Carra leaving, his leadership qualities will be extremely necessary. Shelvey needs a season long loan, though I won't be too disappointed if he is sold.

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21 May 2013 12:55:17
Ed. What will be toure wages currently with city. ?. are we going to match that?. another joe cole in the making? {Ed002's Note - We have no interest in money - it simply confues people.}

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If Kolo Toure literally just stands behind the keeper on the line the entire match on the off chance he can make a goal line clearance, he'll have been of more use over a season than Joe Cole

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21 May 2013 12:27:28
I reckon leaving it'll be Reina, Enrique, Downing, Suso, Coates and Assaidi and maybe Skrtel but that's just my opinion

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If Suso leaves it'll be on a loan, and I don't think enrique will be allowed to go unless we have a replacement tied up as we don't have any cover there at the moment. the rest I fully agree with.

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Hopefully not Suso, He'll be a class player.

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21 May 2013 12:24:08
I've been told that if Andy Carroll is to join west ham that Mohamed Diame will have to be part of the deal if west ham can't meet are valuation of the player.

Redan

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21 May 2013 12:23:26
Which ever ED/EDS is free - would it be seen as a possibilty/good thing (if we get the fair play place in the Europa League) that we could play the U21 with possibly 3 or 4 of the more experienced players that don't play in the league every week to help them. I would think it would be great experience for them & maybe help their transition into the 1st team as long as they don't get too many hidings?
many thanks in advance {Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not playing in the Europa League next season.}

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21 May 2013 12:12:55
Why does no-one say Kyrgiakos? He was decent for us, he at least deserves his name!

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21 May 2013 11:48:36
Eds why hasn't Rodgers given assaidi a proper chance?

Neil {Ed001's Note - he took a while to settle, struggled with the language and in his few appearances he lacked an end product. Then injuries and African Nations interfered. He has had the chances he has deserved and not shown enough, so far, to warrant a long run in the side.}

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I don't feel that he has been given a chance, the kid is good enough to be starting ahead of downing at least. He's had maybe five appearances all season? I like the way BR has moved us forward, but think he's missing a trick with Assaidi. Obviously BR knows best and he's our manager, so we support him regardless!

Red till I die!

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From what I have seen he looks a decent player and deserves more than he's got to be honest. Much prefer him to play than downing. Thanks for reply ed.

Neil

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21 May 2013 12:47:13
I heard something about a sports hernia.

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Considering Downing plays on the RW and Assaidi is a LW, how does this help? Some players are equally good on either wing but not always

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I remember when we signed Assaidi, he spoke good enough English in interviews?

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It's not enough just beating players, you need to have a team ethic and quality in the final third. Downing has a return, albeit a poor one, of goals and assists while Assaidi doesn't. Sure people will say he could have bettered Downing if given a chance, but if the manager and the coaching staff, who see him day in day out in training doesn't feel he is good enough, then he is not.

The real AG

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In fairness AG, Downing had 5 goals and 9 assists this season - it's not actually that awful a returm

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21 May 2013 12:07:46
Hope the rumours of Papadopolous, Toure and IIori are true really I think with those three in and the possibility of Skrtel, Carragher and Coates out to fund it would definitely improve our defence. Skeptical on the Papadopolous rumours however given the pedigree he comes with I could easily see City or Chelsea wanting a defender of his quality to come into their teams. Good luck for over the summer eds.

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Idk about those Alex4. Papadopolous yes, he has proven himself in Germany and the champions league. Toure No, he is past it, slow and wouldn't add anything to our team. as for Ilori, I think he'll end up another Coates, has potential but he hasn't done enough for us to be going crazy over.

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21 May 2013 12:00:04
Hi Eds, I usually no better than to trust anything that is in the papers. However, the Kolo Toure rumour seems to be in nearly every paper going. Are we actually looking at him. Cheers {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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21 May 2013 11:52:52
Buy:
Necessities:

Asmir Begovic -?
Kyriakos Papadapoulos - £15m
Tiago Ilori - £4m
Christian Eriksen - £16m
Cristian Tello - £8.5m

Other additions if needs be:

Alex McCarthy - £3m
Kolo Toure - Free
Lucas Digne - £9m
Momo Diame - £3.5m
Callum McManaman -?
Andreas Weimann - £5m

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Put in Digne to the top 5 and that would do lovely regardless of the outs.

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21 May 2013 11:40:59
does Rodgers want to have most transfers done before we go on tour or are we in for another long drawn out transfer window

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He's said numerous times that he wants to wrap up or summer business ASAP to give the team time to gel and start off the season strongly

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Think back mate - media speculation never stops when its us. We could sign 5 players, sell 4 and be all done and finished next week. They'll still mention us every day this summer

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21 May 2013 11:39:54
This talk of 6/7 players leaving, new signings coming in frightens the life out of me, as it should all LFC fans. I doubt this will happen, but if it did then we may have another season of work-in-progress that seems to be managers' response to things not working out. WE MUST BUY WISELY!
Is it true (Guardian) that Coutinho was recommended by Rafa to Rodgers? If that is the case, thank you Rafa (you are the Man!) and well done Rodgers for listening!
Many thanks
Keeping fingers and everything else crossable crossed!

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21 May 2013 11:37:32
According to Macca 6/7 players are out. who do you think they are ed02/ed01? I hope they are skrtel, downing, spearing, pacheco, assaidi, carroll, suso (loan), flano (loan), shelvey (loan) and could you please say the POSSIBLE replacements we are looking at? and are we looking at a dm?
El capitano {Ed019's Note - DM is not a priority, however if Papa signs he can play in that position comfortably}

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21 May 2013 11:35:02
Not sure about Kolo Toure? The Greek lad seem a good buy just happy we are not wasting money on Ashley Williams over priced and over age and over Rated.
Erikson would be a quality sighning.
Quality not quantity is the key this Summer!! {Ed019's Note - Rather Toure on a free than Williams for £10M}

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21 May 2013 11:24:32
I can't see Kolo Toure being exactly "free", as the term goes.
He must be on a good whack at City, so he'll surely be looking for a signing on fee which, knowing Liverpool, will be added on to top up his wages ala Joe Cole.
So that'll be another £100k a week part-timer.
I know you don't like us quoting finances ed002, but the gist of this point is relevant.
My other point as well, from memory, was Kolo's reputation from his Arsenal days. He was an excellent player, on the whole, for them. But it was his athleticism that got him out of a lot of holes - having the pace to make up for errors and poor positional play. That athleticism is diminished now.
So, I don't know with this one.
I can sort of see where BR may be coming from, but I hope we don't make the same mistakes of the past.
The Juicer {Ed019's Note - The papers are indicating that there will be no signing on fee}

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21 May 2013 11:19:01
Since Johnosn is awful in defending and good going forward. let's make downing as LB and Downing in front 3.

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Are you having a laugh?

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21 May 2013 14:31:12
whats funny in it.
johnson will do the business going forward and is terrible in defending. downing on the other hand is very poor going forward can easily be a pretty solid LB.

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The funny part Harry, is that you want Downing to play LB and in front 3 at the same time.

The real AG

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20 May 2013 22:51:34
Hi eds love the site and the hard work you put in.
Just wondered, with Ibe having a decent debut would this make BR reconsider signing Tom Ince? Also do you see Coady and even Jack Dunn being given chances in centre midfield?

Many thanks
Henlow Red

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21 May 2013 10:54:52
Macca said 6/7 players leaving!

Mine would be: 4 obvious players going
1. Carrol
2. Pacheco
3. spearing
4. Reina (only because Macca is 95% certain)

Agreed?

Next 2/3 players to leave in my opinion
1. Assaidi
2. Coates
3. Shelvey (I would like to see him loaned in prem for a year because he has deffinatley got potential but needs a full season in top flight)

Some people will be thinking, what about skrtel/Downing? Well there's no way he's going to let him go unless a good offer comes in because he needs to start next season with a bk four who knows how to play the way brendon likes! Even if we signed a quality young cb, he needs to be introduced slowly in to the back 4.
Then there's downing, we don't have that much experience on the wings at present so there's no way he will let him go unless an offer comes in that can't be refused! But let's face it who will offer silly money for downing like we did lol.

Hopefully this makes it on to the banter page because I have tried a few times recently and my post never seems to get published. Anyways, love the site guys and keep up the good work.

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21 May 2013 10:54:05
I just wondered who people thought these players where most likely to go.
Myself it would be:
Carroll
Reina
Downing
Flanagan
Assiaidi
Coates

Then possibly loans out of
Shelvey
Robinson (again)
Suso

Just interested in peoples views, Ed's and all.

Markolfc

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21 May 2013 10:53:30
I can see reina, skrtel, Coates, Carroll and maybe downing but struggling to see 6 or 7. Eds, who would you think would be added to that? {Ed002's Note - Wilson.}

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Spearing, Pacheco and Assiaidi

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I think we can add Spearing and Assaidi to that list.

The real AG

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Add youngsters like Ngoo Morgan plus possibly Shelvey and most likely Slearing.

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Spearing, wilson, pacheco, assaidi, shelvey maybe?

think downing and skrtel will stay unless good offer to offload and reinvest comes in

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21 May 2013 10:51:50
Apparently we have 40m plus sales to spend. Rodgers knows we are in position to splash out 25m on a world class player, for two reasons, not enough money and we just aren't the team we used to be. Rodgers realises he has to find some gems who will have instant impact, Like Coutiniho did. Downing, Carroll Reina to leave raising around another 30m. So we have around 70m to spend to buy a GK x2CB CAM RM. Toure to arrive on a free and Popadapolous for 15m. GK is undecided but targets are Shemichal Adler and so on. Rodgers really wants either Tello or Delffaou of barca on loan as part of the Reina deal. First choice target for CAM is Eriksen and Rodgers is willing to pay up to 20m fir him. RW targets include Tello Callejon Capel Lamela and a few others

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21 May 2013 10:51:50
Moriniho to Chelsea, Rodgers to call him & ask for lukaku on loan maybe? Ed002 wondering where you rate coutinho to Oscar, hoping for an opinion from the other side but I understand the response I'll probably get {Ed002's Note - I have no way to rate players - sorry.}

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Oscar -
Prem:
34 Appearances: 4 Goals, 5 Assists

Coutinho -
Prem:
13 Appearances: 3 Goals, 5 Assists

Clearly Coutinho has had the larger impact on his team. imagine if he had been at Liverpool for the full season he'd has easily doubled those statistics.

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Coutinho has actually got 3 (+ 1 ghost!) goals and 7 assists in 13 apps which would extrapolate to apprpox 9 goals and 21 assists over a full season (if uninjured).

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The EPLIndex website did a good comparison between Coutinho and Oscar

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21 May 2013 10:49:12
Eds, will Kolo come to Liverpool as it seems more believable now that most of the major newspapers are reporting it or is it the case one makes some bs up and everyone follows.

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21 May 2013 10:48:00
With Macca saying up to 6 or 7 potentially leaving and if we include reina in that would it be correct to assume we could be seeing the back of shelvey and downing etc. These guys I would be happy to keep in the squad but its those sort of players who will actually fetch some sort of cash. Personally I would be upset if the a fore mentioned players left as I believe that downing can be a useful squad player and jonjo does have some potential. Obviously I realise that this is nigh on impossible to answer accurately but I would appreciate your thoughts Eds. Jimbo

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21 May 2013 10:47:16
Rodgers has already said our squad is thin therefore if we sell 5 do we not look to buy 6? Also remember with a £25 mill pricetag comes ridiculous wages that we won't pay. We only want players who want to play for the club not mercenaries!
Cheers

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21 May 2013 10:46:34
After reading Macca's comments I am excited, I too feel we could do with a makeover. Only issue would be the team gelling, but if the right sales happen it may not have a huge instant impact on our starting eleven.

I have no inside information but having read this site for two years (posting every now and then) I wanted to suggest my view (without FM) using stats and my knowledge of players.

I will start with the player/s who could be leaving and then who I would suggest, I will not mention money but I will try to be realistic.

Reina - Replacements (Ed's have suggested Mignolet) I would like us to sign two goalkeeper to fight for the first team place. I would suggest Oliver Baumann of Frieburg, has very good stats for a relatively smaller German club. Also Alex McCarthy of Reading. I would keep Jones to add to the mix.

Srktel, Coates - (Lots of rumours regarding Papadopoulos who I feel would be an excellent partner for Agger). I was looking for a cheap experienced defender before the Kolo rumours came out and found Douglas of Twente. Either of these two would be excellent back ups for whoever partners Agger. With the other centre back I would look to someone young and similar to Agger, to be his 'back up'. We also have Kelly, Wisdom and Sama which would add strength and depth.

A full back I would go for is Gotoku Sakai of Stuttgart, he maybe hard to get but he has the potential to be amazing in my view and BR would just make him better, he can play on both left and right which is also handy.

The midfield I feel some people may not agree with but I am attempting to think along the lines of CL football so I would sell:

Assaidi, Pacheco, Shelvey, Downing, Spearing, Carroll and maybe even Henderson if we could replace them with - Eriksen, Lars Bender and Alexis Sanchez.

Then the obvious promotions from the academy would fill the squad, we have some very exciting young players as we all know.

I feel all of the players I have mentioned would be moving to a bigger club (bar Sanchez) most are relatively young international players and arguably the figures could stack up. Its more about do these players want to join and who else is interested in them. Whatever happens I have a very good feeling as to what BR is doing at our great club!

Out 9- 10 players.
In 9 players.

K79

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21 May 2013 10:44:29
Let's not pass judgement of the reported interest (if credible) in Toure.

As football fans we all have a tendency to assume that players are 'past-it' etc after joining money-bags clubs such as City, but we must remember what a player he was at Arsenal, and the premier league experience is an important issue.

If it does happen, then in my opinion, it's a great signing on a free.

DaveyBootle

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Rather have phil babb back lol

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Toure's put a bit of timber on in the last 3 or 4 years, Davey.
The Juicer

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21 May 2013 10:42:08
Are these rumours true about Kolo Toure? I hope not! he's passed it, he's not good enough for cover neither. he's no good any more, makes a lot of mistakes and can, t defend for toffee. Bad buisness if he comes cause his wages won, t be cheap. We need to replace Carra but not him please!

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21 May 2013 10:41:33
In Rodger's management team I trust.

They/he will make a few mistakes, but it's a team effort to be a successful club.

So I say back them all the way.

Remember fellow reds it's You'll never walk alone.

Remember the 96.

Markolfc

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Markolfc
Newcastle fan in peace

the 96 will never be forgotton, and I speak for all football fans.

all the best
Toonlol

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21 May 2013 10:34:50
Kolo toure would be a pathetic signing. Joining Allen, Sahin, Borini as flops.

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Im pretty sure YOU are the only one where the word 'pathetic' applies to.

The real AG

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The real ag. It still would be a bad signing

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Toure would be a decent signing imo. Signing too many young players with potential will not get us back into top4. We need experience at the back, not a bunch of 20 year olds, no matter how good they are. Toure and Papadopolous would improve our defense immensely.

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21 May 2013 14:33:42
Indian buzzer.
I agree we need experience in the back 4. but toure wages would be too high.
he couldn't get into a City back 4 when they were playing a 19 year old Nastatic all the way.
He can be a decent squad player if he agrees a huge pay cut. which I don't think so.

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My response was aimed at Op's 'pathetic' dig at Allen and Borini.

As for Toure, LFC won't be paying him 120K, that's for sure. He will probably be taking a huge wage cut, but with a signing on fee to compensate that or at a lower wage still but without a signing on fee.

Our dealings have been way better as evidence by the performance related par rise handed out to Suarez for example, and the Sturridge deal, where in, he signed for us at a wage cut.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 10:23:50
This Grauniad report on Kolo Toure this morning Ed, is there any truth in it?

Looking at it, get him to shift the weight (Oh if only Darren Burgess was still here), sort out his slight injury issues (which are probably connected to said weight) and recover his confidence, he'd not be a bad signing on a free (yes, yes I know it's not really a "free"). {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}

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21 May 2013 10:18:00
Assaidi, Spearing and Jones I think will go as they just don't cut it.

Reina seems strange but if Macca believes he's off that's good enough for me. Likewise with suarez staying.

Carrol clearly doesn't appeal to Rogers and could still redeem some of the wasted money spent on bringing him to anfield in the first place.

Borini had had an injury ridden season so its not fair to judge his performances too harshly, I think he has until january to prove he is worth keeping. Never hurts to have a striker that will fight for his position when you have adequate cover

Allen has had a dissapointing season but I believe he will be in the same situation as borini.

Downing is liked by many people for some reason but I can't see it. In my opinion if we got 10k back for him now it would be 10k we could spend on a much better right winger. Harsh I know but for me, I can't think of any other player over the last 2 seasons that has done so little with the huge amount of opportunity he has given.

I don't think Shelvey has enough game time. Would he be happy with another loan spell?

Skrytl doesn't cut it. The money made from him will help fund a new CB, the wages from Carra leaving will help too.

I pray we have a good transfer window beacause if we start another season on the back foot it will cost us dearly. We already have suarez out for 6 games.

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21 May 2013 10:45:24
good clean and sensible post. I do agree with most points above.
allen and borini have probably 6 months to prove themself. As we don't have enough time, we must be back in CL.
But I can't see allen fitting now. lucas gerrard and henderson with countinho suarez and another right sided striker. with sturridge upfront.

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21 May 2013 10:17:40
Macca says 6 or 7 may leave, would likely include Flanagan, Assaidi, Morgan, Wilson, Carroll

Still not convinced Reina leaving after his post match interview.

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21 May 2013 10:15:53
Macca do you have any info about the Christian Eriksen and kyriakos papadopoulos?

daniel

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21 May 2013 10:15:07
Macca say's 6-7 LFC players leaving this summer. Now let's see. Carroll 15m, Shelvey 7m, Skirtle 10m, Downing 8m, Borini 8m, Coetes 6m and Reina 15m. Around 65-70m +25m kitty= 90m transfer budget to spend on Toure free, Papadopoulos 17m, Llori 3.5m, Eriksen 19m, Alonso 10m, Tello 8.5m, Benteke 17m, Begovic 13m.

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21 May 2013 09:56:59
Hi eds

With the rumour about Kolo Toure coming to Liverpool.
I personally think that it would be a quick fix for a year or two until possibly Martin Kelly is ready.
However I do have a concern that we will lose him in January for the African cup of nations.

Slaphead {Ed002's Note - Not this winter.}

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21 May 2013 10:02:00
City Radio apparently reporting that Kolo is coming in for a medical with us - any news on whether this is true or just another twitter rumour that's got some momentum? {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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21 May 2013 10:00:02
Woke up this morning and excited to hear Toure may be coming on a free just what we need a bit of experience at the back. No loose situation for me thumbs up. RED RUSS

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It would be a bad signing plus massive wages

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21 May 2013 09:59:39
hi eds!
heard these kolo toure rumours. bt I strongly think that this mite b same as sneijder-coutinho stuff! are we interested in any other city player? also, do u think we will go for a striker?
awaiting reply : ) {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of interest in other MCFC players, and a wide forward is more likely than a striker. However, depending on who leaves it would not be out of the question.}

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21 May 2013 09:31:24
I was amazed with garry nevile comments about arsene wenger and arsenal.
only net 9 mill psend in last 10 years and continous CL in past 12 years.
Arsene Wenger is genius. yes they haven't won anything. but the man is pure genius.
the best stadium, a deal worth 150 mill with puma. they are a global brand.

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He's an owners bitch really.

I'm shocked many more teams haven't approached him, but what do we know?

Mind you, as an owner, why WOULD you let him go?

I'm sure a section of Arsenal fans have contrasting opinions.

A brilliant manager.

DaveyBootle

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21 May 2013 09:31:42
The five obvious departures are

Assaidi
Skrtel
Coates
Carroll
Spearing

Assuming fringe players e.g Pacheco, Wilson etc aren't included.

The remaining 1 or 2, you'd assume will be dependant on what offers we receive. I wouldn't totally rule out Enrique and Downing. Jonjo is likely with a good offer, Reina also may depart.

Personally my money is on just Jonjo, with Pepe, Downing and Enrique all staying.

Inbound it seems that Papa, Ilori and Toure are the main defensive reinforcements. We'll also look at a winger/attacking midfielder. A strong tackler in the middle and a left back.

Papa G

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Exactly my thought Papa G, but I think Reina will leave. Jonjo is the maybe for me.

1 of Papa, Ilori or Lovren may sign along with Toure and a squad winger.

I don't see us going for a midfielder however.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 09:31:31
It doesn't matter which players we buy.

We will still be along way behind the top 5 in players and management.

We might catch Everton.

That's it.

John in Gateacre.

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Like anyone would take you seriously after that daft excuse for a post.

The real AG

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What is the point in that post at all? You've said nothing constructive, nothing worth reading, just an unpleasant, boring moan. At least some of the posters on here, when they're displaying what is perceived as a 'negative' opinion, at least base their argument around different aspects of the game and their shortcomings, and put forward an interesting argument. Posts like yours just underline we have a section of wet 'fans' that are trying to claw everyone down to their level of misery. Get a grip.

JFT 96

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Maybe, John, but why the doom-and-gloom lad?

Not all of us on here have unrealistic expectations (mind you, many do), but that's a little pessimistic that.

DaveyBootle

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Bitter Blue No trophys for 18 years.

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21 May 2013 09:24:14
Hi eds. just a quick 1.

I've read this morning in the echo that the Greek defender is our number 1 target for CB. Just wondered if you could confirm it? Also, do the Toure rumours have legs?

Thanks again
Mr T {Ed002's Note - I would not be so sure. Two clubs have been in discussion with Schalke and one is negotiating a price - or trying to given they feel the asking price too high. Non of this involves FC.}

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21 May 2013 09:04:54
BR said we replaced Rush with Barnes and Beardsly so I expect us to replace Carra with 2 defenders.

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21 May 2013 09:03:20
Those doubting the idea of signing Kolo Toure need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Personally if we've negotiated a good wage, I think it's a no brainer on a 2 year deal. Yes he's had some minor issues in the past, but he can provide depth and experience. He's still quite pacy, strong and agile and let's be honest if it means avoiding Williams and signing Papa (won't try to spell the whole name), then it's a great move. Crucially with Kolo, is his experience. Two top clubs, lots of European and Premiership experience, which our new signings/younger players may lack.

We're likely to try and flog Skrtel for a similar fee to what we pay for Papa, whose got potential to much better player. He's an ideal partner to Agger, strong, aggressive and a born leader. I understand people crying out for Kelly to be played, but a lot need to remember he's very injury prone and likely to be eased into the centre half role slowly, whilst competing with Glen/Andre at right back.

Coates is likely to be replaced with Ilori, who looks a great prospect, but right now is just that. He'll be 4th choice I'd imagine and judging on our lack of pace at the back a very welcomed addition. With 5 potential centre halves, we can also look at possibly playing three at the back, which with our full backs (potential new left back), would also make sense.

Looking forward to the window now, as seems like we're acting fast.

Papa G

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Good one Papa.

However I am not so sure Toure is the best option available and I don't think Ilori AND Papa will sign. It will be one of them and Toure by the looks of it.

With Ed002 saying Papa is not particularly likely, I would think Toure is even more a gamble.

He is a free agent, but will need to take a massive pay cut from 120K he is earning at City to come to us, like Sturridge did.

For an experienced defender, he is positionally very week and ofcourse will be given a huge Sign-On fee and in 2 years he would cost a bit.

The real AG

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I always respect Ed02's opinion, but if the Echo think we're keen and we move quickly I think Papa will sign.

I personally think we will go for three CB's, perhaps with a view that Papa can play as a defensive midfielders at a push if needed, as he's confortable on the ball and with both feet.

We'll see, but one thing for certain no Ashley Williams.

Papa G

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I think Ilori is more suited to playing as a defensive mid due to his pace than Papa.

I am not convinced he will join, we can have all the interest we like but when City and Chelsea are pushing for a deal at 15 million pounds, which is what Schalke 04 want, I can't see it happening.

The real AG {Ed002's Note - Schalke want more than that.}

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Interesting Ed002. I suppose Schalke want close to 20?

Either way, I can't really see him at LFC unfortunately.

The real AG

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21 May 2013 08:59:49
The Echo is reporting that we're interested in Papa, Schalke are willing to sell and Papa is willing to move. They also say we want Lloris but no interest in Williams.

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21 May 2013 08:58:16
Morning EDS, I have a feeling in my guts that this KOLO TOURE scenario is for real and its going to take a lot of willpower to take it in. WTF Rodgers

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21 May 2013 08:29:44
hi eds

So Macca said 6-7 players leaving.


do you think it will mainly include include the players who has never really a part of the team nd young players that are struggling to make a mark for example the likes of Carroll, Spearing, Shelvey, Coates, Flanagan, Wilson, Ngoo, Pacheco OR most of them being established players like Pepe, Johnson, Skrtel etc.

I defo think the first names I mentioned should leave but they won't add upto that much quids (except Carroll). unless we include some big names like the latter I mentioned into it which will make a nice war chest and reduce the wage bill significantly.

How do you see it.

Cheeers
Bosco {Ed002's Note - Beyond those I have explained that I expect to leave - you ned to ask Macca.}

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21 May 2013 08:29:04
Toure on a free may be a shrewd transfer- on top form Kolo was a great player and if BR can get him anywhere up near that level he should do well for us

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The key word there is WAS. I question the guy's hunger, think we just suit the fact that he wants to stay in the North West 'cause his kids are settled at school. I find this one strange when Lescott is two years younger and, I feel, a better option just now.

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21 May 2013 08:18:42
Just heard we're moving for Kolo Toure. Really hope it isn't true. Personally i'd rather stick a traffic cone on pitch! ;-D

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21 May 2013 09:37:56
i agree gaz his legs r gone, unless his brother comes as part of the deal lol. Tommy Irish Red

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He's still good in the air though, and it's not like Carragher was a pacey CB

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21 May 2013 08:03:45
"If!" Toure comes to Liverpool i'd really like to see him play CDM a big strong TALL powerfull player such as himself could do a fantastic job in that role. i'm abit worried to what his wages would be like if he was to come in.

As to that info, erikson, tello ( as part of pepe deal unlikely with new contract ect ect ) and papadop and maybe another CB i'd be a very happy guy personally ( in regards to getting these players I've heard a lot about being linked with in terms of being on this site )

Will be supporting whoever comes in though and i'm behind BR

YNWA Apple

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21 May 2013 09:23:00
dream on for tello. why would he join us?. yes he doesn't get a game in Barca. but sure. there are 10 top clubs who could offer everything which we cant.
juventus, dortmund, etc etc.

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You know there is more to being a CDM than just being strong and able to tackle right? You need a certain amount of speed as you have to defend the width of the pitch, you need agility to change direction, you need much better ball control than most CB's are likely to have etc

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Neither Juve or Dortmund would want Tello. The only top club I can think of where he might get anywhere near first team on their wings is United, maybe Arsenal if Podolski leaves

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21 May 2013 12:20:29
To samsam.
yes we did outplayed city. but we were awful both against UTD. spurs, everton and chelsea game were balance, Instead we were outplayed by chelsea.

Now arsenal. we were outplayed at home.
how did u say we should have hold on the lead at emirates?. I am sure you did watch the game. we were in front after 23rd min. then. it was all arsenal til 93rd min. they ripped us all over. they had decent 5-6 chances to beat us comfortbly.
if any striker instead of giruod. scores would ahve been 5-2.

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We were awful against United first time? What rubbish is this, we completely outplayed them for 90 minutes with 10 men and they won by a questionable penalty, and should have given us at least two pens foul a foul on Suarez by Evans, and then a blatant handball again by Evans. They outplayed us in the first half of the January match, that is it. And how were we ever outplayed by Chelsea? It was an even match that if anything, we had the cleaner cut chances to finish. Arsenal we were 2-0 around the hour and they had plenty of possession but no penetration whatsoever - there mere fact that they had the ball to pass around the midfield didn't make it 'all them'. They had one chance which they missed, that was it.

You talk such crap it is unbelievable mate, it's like you haven't even watched a football match you've just read the match report in the papers for 10 years. Half the time you seem desparate to ridiculously praise the team, half the time you're making out that decent results and good performances were tragic failures and we have no hope or future. Sort yourself out son

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21 May 2013 07:50:25
after reading most of the rumours flying around, this is what seems the most likely ins/outs

INS
lucas digne - LB (8m)
Cristian eriksen - AM (15-20m)
Tiago Ilori - CB (4m)
papadopolous - CB (15-20m)

sergio canos (youth team - almost a done deal)
swap deal for reina - cash + tello

replacement keeper from either ter stegen, mignolet or begovic


OUTS
Skrtel
Coates
Carra
Assaidi
Carroll
Shelvey
Wilson
Pacheco
reina if we can find replacement

will also think they will promote several of the youngsters, like ibe, sterling, kelly, sinclair, wisdom and yesil

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That would be ideal in my view

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21 May 2013 07:28:36
6 or 7 going, who?
Mine would be:
1. Spearing
2. Reina
3. Skrtel
4. Downing
5. Assaidi
6. Jonjo

Really don't know who the 7th would be though, maybe Allen?

Anfield Andy

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I think all the players have their price, look at Torres. So i'm sure if the deal is right then any player can be sold and replaced.

But to add to your list:
Carroll
Wilson
Pacheco
Coates

Wilson on a free!

Think Skrtel and Downing will stay, Rodgers needs a good squad so if he doesn't have to sell them then i'm sure he will try and keep them.

NS

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Carroll?

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Plainly obvious - Carroll

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So after a season where we actually started to gel and show something in the second half, you'd sell 4 players who have played a lot for the first team this year but keep hold of players who have contributed nothing like Pacheco and Coates?

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Coates and Carroll.

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Coates / flanno / ngoo /

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21 May 2013 08:50:43
Carroll maybe?

Markolfc

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Forgot: Carroll Paceco Ngoo Wilson

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21 May 2013 07:04:38
McCarthy in for Reina.
Digne in for Carragher.
Abdennour in for Coates.
Tello in for Downing/Shelvey.

Eriksen to sign if we sell Carroll.

Kyriakos Papadopoulos to agree a new contract with Shalke.

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21 May 2013 07:03:13
Any idea one of the Eds which 6-7 players will be leaving?. {Ed002's Note - I would say most of the suggestions so far are about right.}

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Carroll
Reina
Skrtel
Spearing
Coates
Pacheco
Wilson (released)
Carragher (retired) any more?

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21 May 2013 06:59:33
just got a feeling that, are us or spurs or gooners ever come close to that title?

i mean this is hypothetical but, I think we r just going to add to the dog fight between arsenal and spurs when we manage to catch them a year or two.

but the other 3, the mancs and chevesky, they seem to have the money power to buy thoes 1-2-3 positions in between them, never know moyes might succeed in bringing the curtains down on SAF era, by rightly destroying them but, the other two seem to have an advantage.

even if they fall short a year, spend money out come hezard-orcer-moses etc and they r back ther.

in our case or spurs/ gooners ther won't be that much to spend ever,

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Worry about us not them. They can spend however much money they like, they can spend 100bn if they like - that won't stop us winning our games. Every team can only have maximum 25 players

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21 May 2013 09:17:34
Samsam9000
I agree but we haven't beaten most of the teams above us wholse seaosn. and that's the nproblem.
playing against an awful new castle and QPR and then playing against the like of kompany, vidic, yaya toure, sandro wilshere is all different class.

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See the funny thing about seasons Harry - they end and new ones begin. Football would be pretty boring if the same thing happened in every match every season.

We utterly outplayed City both times, actually scored the winner once against Everton that wasnt counted, of course beat Spurs and really should have held that 2-0 up against Arsenal. We just need to translate those performances to results, and we don't need to spend £100m to fix what went wrong in those matches

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21 May 2013 06:29:58
Is it me or are the same rumours from last season creeping back in? Ince, Eriksen, Villa?

Seriously, we need to stop talking rubbish! And as for players like Alex McCarthy being linked. I think we need to raise the bar a bit. David Stockdale? Danny Rose? Please. We are Liverpool FC and although we can't afford Hummels or Falcao, we do need to be serious.

JME

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21 May 2013 07:44:50
You just cannot atrract top quality players to your club anymore it's as simple as that

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'21 May 2013 07:44:50
You just cannot atrract top quality players to your club anymore it's as simple as that'

I think Luis Suarez, Daniel Sturridge and Philippe Coutinho would probably disagree with you there.

JFT 96

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Its funny though we never have a problem attracting other teams di**s to our page why are you here your checking out our page to see what were up to because your worried haha

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21 May 2013 03:33:47
Three CB's Brandon Rodgers has "DEMANDED" to replace Skrtel, Carragher and Coates.

Kyriakos Papadopoulos 21 - £15m
Kolo Toure 32 - free agent
Tiago Ilori 20 - £4m

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Demanded! ha.

Im a bit unsure about Toure, mainly as he will be on high wages and will probably go to the African Nations Tournament so we will lose him for part of the season.

Surely there are better options the last Free transfer (Joe Cole) didn't work out that well!

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I would of rathered Kurt Zouma and Alderwield.

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No African Nations next year and by the one after he'll be 34, might have retired already

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21 May 2013 01:39:13
Guardian and Telegraph both running the K. Toure story with articles by named journalists.
Both slightly less likely to publish nonsense than say DM but I'll wait and see.

undecided if he will be a good addition. can't imagine us coming anywhere near his wages, and didn't he turn down multiple offers last summer because the wages weren't near his City wage?
ForzaRed

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21 May 2013 01:35:21
I personally think Toure, Papadoupolus and Zouma/Ilori would be 3 ideal centre back signings. Toure providing experience cover and allowing time for the other younger cbs to grow into Liverpool regulars. The only real outlay would be papadoupolus with toure free and either of the others a few million. Also Papadoupolus looks the real deal! Hungry for winning back the ball, competitive, vocal, goo reader, great in air, strong and composed in tackle. Looks real player would be ideal carra replacement.

Willster :)

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21 May 2013 01:22:37
I believe we will sign one of these 3 keepers to replace Reina.

Ruffier- St Etienne
Mignolet- Sunderland
Trapp- Frankfurt

I believe we will sign Ilori & one of these 3 cb's

Botia- Sevilla
Dragovic- Basel
Rami- Valencia

Red Nap

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You forgot the "my good sources" part

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21 May 2013 12:42:07
No I didn't. These are just my opinions.

Red Nap

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21 May 2013 01:15:18
well eds I hope your ready for all the questions you're going to get this summer following Maccas latest bit off news, god love you's especially eds 001, 002 and 052.

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21 May 2013 01:14:19
Great news from Macca regarding the sale of 6 or 7 players, in terms of generating cash for reinforcements, however you do have to worry a bit about how many of these sales are likely to be first teamers. We really need to continue to develop as a team, and bringing in 2 or 3 would not be so problematic, bit we could really do with hitting the ground running next season, can we afford to be integrating more new players in one go?

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Assuming he didn't mean Wilson or Carragher who are being released more than sold, it seems like Coates, Pacheco, Spearing, maybe Ngoo and Assaidi are all being sold. So 2, maybe 3 at most from the 'first team'?

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21 May 2013 01:10:30
I think Rodgers will bring in a good 50-60m from player sales this year including the 20/25m we'll have from the owners, that's a potential 85m, could be a good summer boys! I just hope he doesn't take till August 20th to sell the guys!

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LMAO. 50-60M from sales?I need some of the good stuff you're on

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21 May 2013 01:05:07
I wouldn't panic about the supposed 6-7 players leaving, this was to be expected anyway. Look at Coates, Spearing, Assaidi, Downing and Carroll, Reina apparently and possibly Skrtel.

I do think that selling Reina and Skrtel would be HUGE mistakes. Reina because he is an excellent keeper, and the way Rodgers plays, there is hardly better keeper for playing football on the deck as well as for long-range distribution. Rodgers has spoken about the need for leaders in the team, so selling Reina would make that worse, he is an excellent leader. Maybe now Rafa has left Chelsea, Xavi Valero will be available, but then it is far too easy to suggest such moves on a computer without being involved in the workings of a football club, things are obviously never that simple.

Skrtel is obviously a quality player, it was only last season that he was our player of the year, so for people to want him gone so soon after that is just fickle. We also had statistically the best defence in the league at the time with Enrique, Agger, Skrtel and Johnson. Our defence has gone downhill since Steve Clarke left which just goes to show that some better defensive coaching would go a long way, as well as saving millions.

It looks like the consensus is that Rodgers wants Ince, Toure and Popadopoulos, maybe a left-back and a striker. I have complete faith in him after the January window and so should everyone else.

Eds, is there any other players you think the club might look to sign?

YNWA!

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21 May 2013 00:38:09
Brendan Rodgers has identified numerous targets to reinforce his central-defensive options, and Touré - available on a free transfer - is poised to have a medical at Liverpool after Manchester City’s tour of the United States after next weekend.

What do you guys think about Mr Toure coming to LFC (if he does)

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21 May 2013 00:36:50
I think Toure could be a good signing, he ticks a lot of boxes:

1) No fee (but wages will need reducing)

2) Experienced - aged 32

3) Premier league experience

4) He's a winner

5) He's a leader

6) Physical presence

7) can also fill in as cover for Lucas

Could be the perfect player to have as back up to a younger defender that comes in (Papadopoulos).

Irishdom

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8) He's a drug's cheat.

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Ticks a lot of boxes you say, I can remember him being turned inside out by our precious little RAHEEM STERLING ;imagine what hazard would do to him

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20 May 2013 22:50:52
Hi Ed`s can you tell me any info on Jordan Ibe. I thought he had a promising game against a relegated Q. P. R. Is he going to be part of the team for next season or may he be a loan option.
> My other question is related to jonjo shelvey, do you think he will be handed another season to establish himself. I feel at the moment that he is under a lot of pressure and is capable of becoming that steven gerrard mould we use to know. He needs more belief and I would hope to see more of hime next season.

Thanks {Ed002's Note - He will not be loaned out next season.}

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20 May 2013 22:37:06
Could be up to 6 or 7 leaving, Suarez not one of them.

Cheers

Macca

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Reina, skrtle, shelvey, downing, Carroll, Assaidi, borini 65mill I'd say!

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21 May 2013 01:14:47
thanks for the info Macca, at first thought 6 or 7 seemed a lot but when you think reina, carroll, skyrtl, downing, shelvey, assaidi, coates it seems like a true enough figure and we should get between 50 and 60 mill in the kitty from these sales alone its going to be a busy summer ahead

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Pacheco, Wilson included? [FR]

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Who would buy Borini?

Much as I'd like it to happen, no team will offer money for Borini and it is likely the same is true for Assaidi.

Reina, Skrtel, G Johnson, Carroll and Carra are very likely IMO. Reina and GJ want to go, Carroll and Skrtel will be sold and Carra's retiring.

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Highly likely:
Reina
Carra
Carroll
Coates
Spearing
Wilson
Pacheco

Possibly:
Skrtel
Downing

Although to change keeper and 3 defenders is a massive change and could be unsettling so my guess is that BR will keep Skrtel and replace Reina, Carra and Coates.

NS

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21 May 2013 08:36:40
Cheers as always Macca!

OredZ

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20 May 2013 23:53:12
Macca talking about players leaving. Could be?

Pepe reina 10mil
Coates. 3mil
Skrtel. 10mil
Jonjo 7mil
Downing. 7mil
Carrol. 10mil
Assaidi. 4mil

Could be others like flanagan morgan henderson or even borini

would love for pepe reina and hendo to stay also the rest am not too fussed about

Dont need erikson imo think suso should be given a chance we have coutinho also

Need central defenders zouma or papadouplous would be awesome

Basy

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Would agree with all the names on there, going to be a busy summer hope the eds are ready for all the fantasy players we're going to sign

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Jay Spearing and Danny Wilson

Id expect Skrtel to stay due to Coates going and lack of other defenders.

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20 May 2013 23:50:16
Macca you've said possibly 6/7 players moving out, will we replace all of them or are we trimming squad size please?

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I hope we target:
GK: Ochoa
CB: Alderwield
CB: Kurt Zoima
AM: Eriksen
RW LW ST: Tello

Plus A few kids stepping up and others loaned out.

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20 May 2013 23:46:09
i think if BR is looking for a left back I think he will go for niel taylor from swansea, I've said it before and it would not suprise me if he goes in for him

mickey b

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20 May 2013 23:45:00
Kolo Toure (Free)
Papadopoulos (£16m)
Digne (£8m)
Eriksen (£15m)
Tello (£9m)
Zeiler (£8m)

wouldn't be a bad summer at all

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20 May 2013 23:39:06
Liverpool will sign: eriksen williams gomes. Off load : Carroll

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20 May 2013 23:18:02
Buck and the self proclaimed special 1 good buddies if so if he's was to head bk chelsea from madrid do u think buck could persuade jose to let us have lukaku on loan/perm deal would love it to happen JON96

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