Liverpool Banter Archive November 21 2012
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21 Nov 2012 23:31:38
one thing we will all learn about rafa's appointment is that it will show us if given the money he desired he could of taken us to the next level?
he has just been appointed by the most generous owner in world football. no excuses.
he has just been appointed the manager of the european champions. if he fails for a 2nd time with european champions like at inter milan we can finally put the rafa brigade to bed on this site. no excuses.
personally, i support lfc. i don't give a monkeys what he or torres is up to now.
but, i will add this. in 6 months time i will probably be re-posting this as i expect it to be just after his dismissal and probably not long before torres is sold too which will put that to bed on here too!
s.p
He wont be given the time to show what he can do with proper funding.
What money desired???he spent close to 300million during his liverpool tenure..we should have won the league then,when there where basically 4teams challenging for it..and stiill he failed..i only love him cos he won the champs league and the fa cup...apart from that he was a failure...and please rafa did not buy all those youngsters the academy with our network of scouts did
kunle
5 weeks til the january transfer window and an 18 month contract (he's not interim manager) suggests differently.
abramovich hasn't employed him at the 2nd time of asking to not give him money, he wants to win the league this year and only 4 points away currently suggests it's still possible!
and i say 2nd time of asking because he offered him a 6th month contract before appointing di matteo which benitez declined.
p.s, i'll get a barrel load of disagrees on the original post just because the rafa brigade loves him more than lfc it seems on here most days....
s.p {Ed002's Note - You will get disagrees because it is untrue. His contract is until the end of the season.}
We'll see. Look out I reckon and I'd rather have Chelsea than the Mancs
How silly to already be making excuses for Rafa even though he's nothing to do with us?! He can get lost for all I care.
If Rafa does well at Chelsea please let us not have all the pro-Rafa brigade telling us ˜told you so, he should be Liverpool manager', likewise if he fails let's not have the anti Rafa brigade telling us ˜told you so, he is useless'
Chelsea is a different animal to Liverpool, firstly there is gulf in the amount of money being spent on players , if Rafa has any say in transfers and has money to spend he will probably buy well, most of his big money buys for Liverpool were good, it was his multiple smaller fee transfers which let him down.
Secondly, it appears that the power at the bridge lies in two areas, the owner and the players, if one or the other don't take to you then its goodnight “ look at AVB...he was given the task of regenerating the squad and way of playing¦..players didn't like the idea so soon put paid to that.
Good luck to Rafa and thanks for your efforts for Liverpool, but that's the past and whatever happens at Chelsea lets concentrate on supporting our manager and our team!
At edoo2, i was only reading what tony barrett from the times had to say on his contract. he believes that it was agreed 18 months but with a break clause put in come the end of the season?
i have found him to be usually very reliable.
s.p {Ed002's Note - He is wrong - the contract is until the summer. Anything after that would have to be negotiated.}
21 Nov 2012 23:06:46
Just a reminder Rafa was brilliant for us and he loves LFC.
Show some respect for him as he has shown for the Hillsborough 96.
MULDER
Rafa is a red he loves us and so does his family . ynwa
Ask Alonso how much ACTUAL respect he showed. Stop confusing the fact that he was a generally nice bloke for that being anything more!
If he had more respect for us he wouldn't have take the job. His words was Chelsea fans lack passion so he as made his decision but I don't wish him any luck at all.
Mighty reds
21 Nov 2012 23:29:19
Rafa will be in charge of Chelski for a couple of seasons..... Winter and spring
FowlerisGod
It's an interim position until the end of the season. No more. FACT.
21 Nov 2012 23:08:57
I've kept quiet pin Rafa going to Chelsea. I really like the guy and some of the best nights evet are under his tutelage. We live in a free market not a right or left wing totalitarian regime and or fans unhappy at this surprising turn of events should remember he's entitled to earn a crust as a manager. He's been out of management what must seen an eternaty to him. Good luck I say.
I also can't believe the character assassination Everred did on him at 20.54 on Chelsea's banter page in an obvious attempt to curry favour with the plastics. No self respecting Liverpool fan should have wrote that. Disgusted.
JohnBoy
Totally agree mate I seen that post on the chelsea page myself and it disgusted me! The lack of respect he showed towards a manager who won us the champions league knocked me sick. Dennis 89
Rafa wasn't GOD you fool, Everred was right when he mentions the Barry instead of Xabi saga.
I think we all like RAFA but he had his faults which hastened his demise at our club.
Big Bill
Let's be honest, Alonso really only blossomed into the world class player he is now in his last year with us. For the 2 years before that he wasn't great by his own high standards.
Totally right, Alonso had a fantastic last season with us, before that 2 mediocre seasons.
21 Nov 2012 23:02:33
Rafa to Chelsea....it's an interim appt .... Real Madrid is his next destination when JM leaves.
Seems where JM goes Rafa goes afterwards ......
MULDER
What a ridiculous statement...he never went Porto after Mourinho...and if I'm not mistaken HE started at Real Madrid with the B team.
21 Nov 2012 22:48:50
Experts are now predicting that by the year 2025 you will never be more than 6ft away from an ex-chelsea manager!
Waro {Ed002's Note - And decent banter at last.}
Great Post, Good banter, that's what we want. (Northern Git).........could be earlier than 2025 !
It was good banter when it was on witter a few hours earlier as well. . Taking credit fir others work?. Shame on you
Shame on you for reading/ referencing personter! Some of us live in the real world (of FACTS!)
Mrpjd
p.s. I'm off to the bookies to put on a tener on Liverpool to draw Chelsea at Anfield in the 3rd round of the Cup- get those balls heated guys.....
21 Nov 2012 22:46:12
in
ba - 7
walcott - 8
Pearce - 3
= 18
out
pacheco - 1
cole - 0
wilson - loan
doni - 0
downing - 8
henderson 8
spearing - 1
= 18
net = 0
Walcott yes. Other two no.
21 Nov 2012 22:44:21
Totally confused about all this=love Rafa/hate Chelsea.So glad youve got a job.nice reception due.But hope you fail with them
21 Nov 2012 22:30:29
Don't know how I feel about Rafa at Chavski...I don't blame him for taking the job, he cant wait around for LFC forever. I dont want to wish him too much luck though, would rather he repeated his form for Inter or us in more recent years. He's very hot and cold, always a bit of a gamble. I can't see him and Roman being best buddies either.
21 Nov 2012 22:22:07
all the rafa fans will be crying their eyes out now but one thing it will show what rafa is like with money , if people think we have been linked with a lot of players imagine what it will be like at chelski , i bet rwfa moans that he has not had enough money to spend , and he has got all the players he wanted in matta and hazzard , counter attack will be chelski new style of play , i cant wait to see the new chelasea
21 Nov 2012 22:27:42
Interesting thing is ..
how will Rodgers react to the Liverpool fans shouting Rafa's name if we still are not doing good by the time both teams meet again?
Who would feel the most awkward?
Will benitez do the houlier mistake by waving and basking in the liverpool support whilst his own teams supporters watch in horror?
Will the southern press finally give Rafa credit now that he's in London?
Who cares about Rafa he's the Chelsea manager.
"Are we able to see round corners?" No!
kidmillions
Hey, kidmillions, you can if you lean forward......
Br has to step it up and change his style of play get back to the old lfc way of quick pass and move not the joe allen 2 foot passes you to me back to you etc.red mick tag
In fairness it wouldn't surprise me with liverpool fans, the only time you hear them these days is when there singing dalglish's name, they really know how to fill there team/manager full of confidence!
21 Nov 2012 22:20:04
Enough about rafa, Torres ect I think our youth can get the business done tomorrow night
21 Nov 2012 22:07:14
Gerrard set to retire at end of 2014 season but will have a major role in youth development.
21 Nov 2012 22:05:59
Rafa waited for us to knock on his door, but we went to Rodgers' door instead. I'm trying to think of a time when Rafa didn't use zonal marking and i can't find one, even in the Spanish second division he was attempting to use it, according to him.
So is Chelsea to change for the remainder of the season and use something they don't, zonal marking? Personally i don't think Rafa has the time or space between games in the calender, from now until the end of the season to implement it. So it will be interesting from the point of view of what he actually is able to do.
I know Rafa has his detractors around here, but i hope Rafa does well there in some way, he's one of the best managers in my opinion and i openly admit one of my favourites thanks to many fond memories in victory and sometimes some very brave moments even in defeat.
I'd have liked him to stayed with us and get back into the top flight of European competition. Okay, i will grant his spending was a bit hit and miss, but when it did hit, how well it hit: Torres and Xabi, who we sold for £80 million when transfer fee's are combined. But we still have Reina, Lucas, Skrtel, Agger and Johnson in the first team, some three managers later, Rafa's ghost is still all over this team and will be for a while yet.
With Suso, Shelvey, Sterling and a few others from the academy that have made the cut with Rodolfo overseeing much of their progress, a Rafa appointment. So i think people need to ''learn the facts okay'' in a Rafa accent. :)
Rafa marched us to 2 Champions League finals with pretty much 2 separate teams, in the space of a few years. Also for someone who had a sabbatical in England, i thought his approach to the Prem League was unorthodox. But 2nd place losing by 4 points against one of the best managers and teams, whether in titles and trophies or duration of tenure and success, it's irrelevant Sir Alex Ferguson will be remembered by posterity as one of the best, as will many of his players individually and overall squads he's assembled and beating the ''Special one'' in the semi finals of the Champions League to go on and win it.
So Rafa did bloody well and i don't think we'll finish as high in the Premier League, or win the Champions League, or even get to a European final again, for a very, very long time. Rafa is the most successful Liverpool manager since Kenny won the old Division One for us 1989-1990, pre-Premier League or when we finished runners up the year after.
Instead of moaning, as that's what many of us do about one thing or another person's choice, belief or decision like it's not now Rafa's signings we are slating, we secretly love them, it's Kenny's signings we are hating, apart from ''King'' Luis.
We need to get some perspective, you can't win them all, you can't sign super players all the time and sometimes managers get it totally wrong. But good managers. Those that win for more than one club, or are hauling cups every couple of years, they are ones to keep, support, compromise with and respect and never be too stubborn to take back.
I didn't think i'd ever see Rafa at Chelsea as their manager, be it short term or long. But I think when a team has marched through near ten managers since Jose Mourinho left, and we've done one a year since Rafa left, i think it says a lot about both clubs.
Before Rafa won anything? He'd never won anything? Just like Rodgers for example. Rafa was successful to a point with Liverpool but so was Arsene Wenger with Arsenal. Success does not necessarily lead to more success in a never ending circle. New blood comes along with new ideas (see Jurgen Klopp) and Managers that have never won anything win something and become successful. That's how life, football evolves that's what happens.
You need to get off the Rafa Magic Roundabout.
kidmillions
Mourinho was 'the man' at Chelsea and rafael Benitez was 'the man' at liverpool. Both teams still haven't found that guy they can call 'the man'.
Agree x10 with that post
Great post, I totally totally agree. Rafa to me is still the King across the water and should be still manager.
However to qoute " the past is a foreign country they do things differently there"
We should move on or risk looking a bit sad
21 Nov 2012 22:05:19
: Rafa was just sacked as a Chelsea manager after 4 hours short spell..Rumor has it that he Chelsea FC just lost to Chelsea Women's team in friendly scrimmage.
So it was the first team against Torres then? Seems unfair.
21 Nov 2012 21:59:14
I wonder if Rafa's Purple Goatie will change his name..
Live-On-Pool
Please read ealier posts Live-On-Pool, I have now changed my name to 'El Pi**edolero.' I may by accident call myself Rafa's Purple Goatie through habit, but it is still the same person. I wish Rafa all the best, but now, I sign off...
El Pi**edolero
21 Nov 2012 21:57:11
Looks like Roman Abramovich's has a crush on Torres or maybe he is just one of his favorite boy toy..
1. He buys Torres from Liverpool for enormous 50m.
2. When manager decides to bench Torres, he fires the manager and now
3. He is trying to build a team around him.. Even getting manager to suit his playing style..
Live-On-Pool
Don't know why he didn't just buy Liverpool tried to get Gerrard, got Torres, Benayoun, Mierless every time we had a target he went for it. Pain in the arse of a man should be deported
I don't know why he just didn't name Torres player-manager and save a few quid.
He has passion and commitment for his team wish we had that .
21 Nov 2012 21:53:41
At least it will put to bed the question of Benitez being a good manager or not. I'm in no doubt that he is a brilliant manager and would have had him back after Kenny.
It will rub salt in if he does really well for me, but still all the best Rafa - you are a legend whatever in my eyes.
Gazman
21 Nov 2012 21:35:33
I must admit im kind off nervous to see if rafa gets torres firing either going to become a suprise appointment that goes horribly wrong or proves everyone wrong i hope its not the latter. How jealous would we be to see him doing well with backing from owners things he could and shoukd have got here, n how we missed reappointing him befire rodgers. Ominous,
One Brendan Rodgers, there's only one Brendan Rodgers, one Brendan Roooodgerrrrs
There's only one Brendan Rodgers
(Repeat)
I second that mate, there's only one brendan rogers
In Brendan We Trust!!
CoolhandLFC
Torres will never be the same player he was when he knocked in goals for fun for us! His serious injury took away a key threat..namely his speed and without speed, Torres also lost all faith in his ability. Benitez will not be able to change that no matter how good a manager you think he is....YNWA BR
Rafa uses zonal marking, zonal marking takes months to implement and that's with very good players, Rafa has only months in the job, he'll be showing Chelsea players videos of Liverpool playing zonal marking and they'll be copying how we played for him.
Do you see what i'm getting at? It's too funny, i think Roman must of had a funny turn.
What's Brendan Rodgers won again?
Our cheap American owners are only interested in employing cheap managers.
Roy, Kenny and BR.
Why don't they go after a reknowned manager who'd cost more?
Because they are taking us for a ride!!
In Brendan we trust? Oh the irony...said firstly of the man who now sits on the Chelsea helm.
Theres only one rafa as well when br does some thing we can give him a pat on the back untill then we give him our full support. red mick tag ynwa
In Rodgers we do trust but he's got a long way to go before he can be compared with Rafa
21 Nov 2012 21:14:11
Don't forget rafa's job is temp and won't be given much window wonga. Even if he he wins the prem with Chelski he won't be appointed permo cos guardiola will come and they won't want to make the same mistake as they did with di matteo
Am I the only one who thinks Guardiola to Chelsea is a very long way from being a done deal?
Chris in Tamworth
Guardiola wants the united job
majestic69
No chris your not the only one.
There seems to be this huge gulf in footballing philosophies between pep and Chelsea. I really can't see pep being this instant success there that roman craves, pep was a huge success at barca in part because of the work that was done before him over a decade or so.
Chelsea sack so many managers after less than a year, pep can't have Chelsea playing world beating Tikal taka in that timeframe.
MIKEY
Rafa finishes 5th with Chelsea
No CL
Sacked
PG don't want the job due to no CL.
Who do they go for next?
Lee73
PG will go to City. Really think PG would go to Chelsea with RA's history of sacking managers? Ferguscum will not retire for at least 3 if not 4-5yrs, he wants to surpass Liverpool's 5 European cups. If Rafa had any other options he wouldn't of taken the Chelsea job. Chelsea is becoming a graveyard for managers!
Pepe to lfc after he ends his vacation in the states.
21 Nov 2012 21:11:53
Eds Drogba is apparently seeking an early loan from shanghai. Any possibility we could loan him till their season starts again or he goes to africa for the CON? {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}
Why would we want that ageing ballet dancer his wages would be astronomical
21 Nov 2012 21:11:04
Watching the Madrid game tonight can't help but think Di Maria is the player a confident Stewart Downing should be. We've seen glimpses of it , like his goal against Anzhi but not enough
Elderslie Red
Ahhh nothing like a bit of wishful thinking eh elderslie red, and obviously a few cans of super strength lager and what must be a terrible reception on your telly if thats what you can see in downing lad
rodger the dodger
21 Nov 2012 20:59:44
what's the mata with people today torres will not return, anyway.... I work for a company called Real Klaas and I heard huntelaar is going to west ham as they have no class not even the manager! Also eden is joining on a 5 year deal for £10 a week, this will leave chealsea facing a major hazard, they will then sign joe cole for 90million...and my cat jay spearing told me this!
Lil Red
Sounds good to me I know you cat and he told me the same and I for one believe him.
Now if only you cat could tell me when the taxi will come for BR?
Lots of Wisdom in the post. Albeit other people will say it's only Suso. Don't let them Reina your parade. redevon
Well the cat talks more sense than you unnamed poster that much is clear....
lets just hope BRs taxi is a hell of a long time after yours has left eh you strap on!!
rodger the dodger
A truly sterling post
Now if only you cat could tell me when the taxi will come for BR, unamed poster
My cat tells me you were stalking him, so that's how you know him and that he knows rodgers is here for a while so get used to it, and get some wisdom too... don't blame me the words of my wise old cat!
Lil Red
21 Nov 2012 20:58:19
Ibe is on the level of Sterling & will be in the 1st team before seasons end. Would like feedback. Agree or Disagree. Thanx
This is the last comparison so please bear with me eds. Lol Thanx. Just thinking of how much money our academy has saved us & I haven't even mentioned. Yesil & Sinclair yet
I think Ibe is as good as Sterling when his age.
He has a bigger build than Sterling and I to think he will make the first team if he keeps his feet on the ground.
Not sure about this season though
21 Nov 2012 20:57:48
Cannot see Rafa improving On Chelsea's current 3rd spot , can't see him lasting until the end of May
He will not be given any funds in Jan (unless pep has given his blessing)
I will come back in May and apologise if he proves me wrong
Leam Red
Two things will be guaranteed - their defence will improve and his excuses in the post match interviews will be immense !!!!
21 Nov 2012 20:52:59
Can we please put the torres coming back rumours to bed now!
Don't be surprised to see Rafa sell Torres in Jan
21 Nov 2012 20:52:54
Robinson is on the level of Wisdom & will be in the 1st team before seasons end. Would like feedback. Agree or Disagree. Thanx
I disagree because I think we will buy a left back rather than use another teenager.
BthekingB
Personally i think our best option down the left is johnson with enrique ahead of him. we don't need to buy a left back!
Tir eoghain
21 Nov 2012 20:50:52
Texiera is on the level of Suso & will be in the 1st team before seasons end. Would like feedback. Agree or Disagree. Thanx
Would like to see more of Texiera looks a good prospect.
Not yet, but eventually he'll get his chance and I think he'll perform from what I've seen on him. Others that should get more first team action are yesil, ngoo, Pacheco, robinson and adjorian. Ibe and Sinclair are still to young IMO and they arent on sterlings or suso level. Morgan and coady need to go out on loan.
21 Nov 2012 20:50:40
With Rafa being installed at Chelski do you think he will try to persuade Gerrard to link up again with Torres? Also what do you fans think, maybe let Gerrard go if the price is right?
No.
- Something Red -
Gerrard is going nowhere he said so himself.
Gerrard does not like Rafa and after the way Torres left LFC he has even less time for Torres.
So forget it.
Gerrard will see out his career at LFC he has over a year left on his current contract and if a player wants to stay there is not much the manager or owner can do!
BR knows if he purts Gerrard on the bench the LFC faithful will crucify him.
The Bells
Couldnt of put it better myself something red..... ;)
well apart from telling the unnamed poster to give his head a wobble and to jog on too!
rodger the dodger
21 Nov 2012 20:41:45
Come on rafa show some sentiment hazard for downing and mata for free
21 Nov 2012 20:40:32
Watching man city v Madrid ht Owens in studio he got a real magnum P I on his boat
Looks more like a 70s porn star
Chris in Tamworth
At least he is doing his bit for Movember like some of the rest of us! These Mo's are not a pretty sight but someone has to do it!
Carryduff Red
21 Nov 2012 20:39:45
Many forget what did Rafa do for Inter Milan?
So i wouldnt worry to much about him going to Chelsea. Besides its only until the Summer.
Lee73
21 Nov 2012 21:43:55
Raffa didn't do anything at inter. Inter were ageing side and lots of their player were injured before spouting try to find information now back to school
Italian cup and the world club championship I've not forgot about those did you?
King luis
Yeah, a world club championship and an italian cup and all with squad that was against him from day 1. I see your point
Ooopps hit a nerve with a couple of Rafa lovers? Face it he ain't coming back here so move on..
He'll be gone from Chelsea in the summer.
Just a fool to himself to take the job
Lee73
I don't want him back.Just want people to show a little respect for a man who won the champions league with Igor Biscan in his squad.
In Rodgers we trust
King Luis
21 Nov 2012 20:33:12
Ive mixed feelings about Rafa going to Chelski. On one hand, would like to see him do well wherever he goes as someone who represented LFC well on many levels. However, its Chelsea, a club with no class at all. I just hope that when he leaves them, he does so with his head held high but without having delivered no trophies. That club deserve f-all. Fair play to Rafa for taking the job though.
Red G
21 Nov 2012 20:49:06
I'm not the biggest Chelsea fan in the world, but I can't begrudge the man the job, and I'm still an admirer of what he did here and a fan of him.
If he does well there, keeps the job long term and wins things, we can hardly say he's 'betrayed' us or anything like that seeing as he was sacked and we passed over two chances to re-hire him.
If he doesn't do well there, well then there's nothing to talk about.
- Something Red -
I'm going to be honest and share like a woman would share - i feel hurt and betrayed that he would go off like that with chelsea.... i mean, chelsea, of all teams - only going to man utd or everton would be worse.
it's like he's sleeping with my worst enemy!
it's a betrayal!
signed: not a woman but seeing if talking like one helps!
it doesn't!
21 Nov 2012 21:26:54
Shouldn't have dumped her then mate.
- Something Red -
I wish Rafa the best of luck
Never liked the man
But hope Rafa does well at chelsea would like to see him lift the EPL in May since we won't be able to do it this season or for the foreseeable future.
Now if Only Kenny would come back and manage some club say Citeh and win the league next year that would be brilliant.
Cause BR will win nothing and Henry deserves nothing.
Support the club my Ar*e when its being run by muppets the sooner it breaks down the quicker it can be fixed.
Johovah
Get over it mate
Football is football
Spoken like a man
Rafa has not betrayed us
Henry has betrayed us
Chelsea fc the future is blue
He's an Ex, move on
It just goes to show all managers are sluts at heart if the price is right ther anybodies
One good thing,he wont be coming back to us again..made up...boring football
Well while were talking about your bird mate lets get right to the point....
she was a wonderful girl who loved you very very much,she was one of the best things to happen to you for a long long time, and you had some of your best ever memories and good times with her,i can picture you now smiling and dancing together on your holiday in 2005,youve never looked so happy before and was probably the best holiday youve ever had aswell as many other fond,glourious memories....
then her lying parents got involved and promised her all kinds and done nothing but let her down,they ended up kicking her out and the relationship sadly come to an end,when yous were so so happy together too, even if things hadnt been going great towards the end,but you left her and she always looked out for you while you were having a one night stand with a proper slapper,all she ever wanted was for you to take her back and she would of coming running with open arms....thats all she ever wanted and hoped for!!!
but weve all moved on and i think youve got yourself a real keeper this time,this could be the one.....
so dont be angry towards her because shes had to move on,she will never forget you because no one can ever replace what yous had together,but be happy for her and hope that shes happy too,even if she has ended up with that little rich kid from down the road with no class who nobody likes,at the end of the day its not where she really wants to be,her heart will always be yours.........
rodger the dodger
21 Nov 2012 20:25:02
hi edoo2, i know you rightly have a go at liverpool fans on this site after a defeat. some posts are are a bit out there, but would you agree all teams react badly to defeats and some posts could not be explained.
this weekend we won, no problem, looked on other banter sites. man u was funniest by far.-suggestions to buy sterling, sack fergie and the like. but the funniest was from man u mick.
he posted some random european league results, french league etc. and plonk in the middle of the post on manu site, on their worst day of the season was our 3-0 result.
thought it was liverpool fan, untill all man u boys hammered him for it. man u mick came back with a grovelling appology to man u boys saying it was a mistake. havent laughed that much in ages.
how many people are banned approx, and do you get much personal abuse from fans? has any ed had to report material sent to them to the police?
B O H {Ed002's Note - The Liverpool fans are by a mile the most abusive of the players, management, owners etc. after a defeat. There is plenty of abe and many posters get banned by being abusive, bad spelling or generally pissing me off.}
Ed002 if you banned posters for bad spelling it would become a pretty lean site
Puzled {Ed002's Note - I'll let it go this once.}
Ed002, please dont tar all liverpool fans with the same brush.....
The liverpool fans that I have met are different to those on forums...
And you dont even know those posting are liverpool fans anyway.
I am sorry you have such a low opinion of Liverpool fans.
jonnybarnes89-90
Ahh but Ed 002-what about when you p ss us off? What recourse do we have? Fair question me thinks {Ed002's Note - I recommend http://tinyurl.com/copmkf7 for you in such cases.}
Gee nice pity your selective in what replies you peint Ed.Particularily regarding Chelsea.Banters 2 ways lots of love x {Ed002's Note - I always post the classics like this.}
21 Nov 2012 20:21:17
Well done and Good luck rafa.
MIKEY
21 Nov 2012 20:01:36
Nothing to do with liverpool directly but i just wanted to say this after i read it.
here goes
Former Chelsea assistant manager, Ray Wilkins, has had his say on Benitez's appointment and doesn't necessarily believe he is the right man for the Job.
"Benitez plays 4-4-2 and that won't be easy at Chelsea. You need two strikers for a start," he said on Al Jazeera Sport.
.................
.........Erm didn't he play 4-5-1 like for the whole time he was at Liverpool as well as when he was at inter?
or was that me mistaking 442 as a 451?
it's funny how people will make things up on the spot (no matter how blatantly untrue) just to avoid revealing their true thoughts.
You are not mistaken, thought I remember we could never figure out the formation Rafa liked to set up his teams .. I mostly remember having 2 defensive midfielders which makes it something like 4231 (similar to how Chelsea played this year) or 4411 when he dropped Gerrard behind Torres.
But generally you would expect Wilkins to disagree with any manager Chelsea would 've appointed.
For me I think its the wrong place for Rafa, can't see Roman putting up with Rafa's regular outbursts.
Roy
He played 4-2-3-1.
If its white and in a bottle it must be milk no
If its white and in a bottle it must be milk no
==================
This is as clear as a priest on a mountain of sugar.
Roy
'it's the wrong place for rafa' ??
what's the right place for rafa then because this is the 2nd european champions he's took over!
It COULD be mmmmm...... Yogurt
21 Nov 2012 19:57:24
wonder if rafa will let us have hazard and oscar on the cheap lol
Well I have it on a very good authority , Rafa's move to Chelsea is a smoke screen part of a cunning plan to sell Oscar, Mata,Hazard and Sturridge to Liverpool in a swap deal for Andy Carroll.
Roy
I wonder if all the Chelsea fans still think he is a 'Fat Spanish Waiter'
He could sell us Torres!!
21 Nov 2012 19:55:43
Rafael named as interim manager for chelski until the end of th season
So can we now put the Torres rumours of a return to lfc to bed now as we all know rafa will get the best out of Torres
21 Nov 2012 22:25:45
I think torres may have got to the point where no-one can get the best out of him anymore. But I agree the stupid torres rumours should now stop.
21 Nov 2012 19:53:55
I've seen ademilson and adryan play 5 times in the u17 world cup both were extremely skillful players and have good technique, adryan seemed to go missing but had a good shot on him and ademilson had good pace, strength would be an issue with both players though, I saw wellington play once so it be ubfair to comment but I think he would be too lightweight for the premier league, jetro willems seems great going forward but i'm not 100% confinced about his defensive ability. If i was in charge i would go for adryan.
Lil Red
Lil Red
Sorry got posed in the wrong place was a reply
Lil Red
21 Nov 2012 19:52:06
I'm shocked Rafa has took this as an interim option - He's won the Champions League, Spanish League, FA Cup not sure on UEFA and he's become Abramovich's stop gap until Mr Pep is available!
How the mighty have fallen... I'm shocked!
21 Nov 2012 20:18:00
Nope he will make a lot of money and chelsea should forget pep Guardiola coz Guardiola will be new man city manager that's why lots of infastructure is been built for him to take the hot seat.
Better than being at home, bet his Mrs was driving him nuts (no disrespect intended to Mrs Benitez)
Roy
Rafa's putting himself in the shop window; why not, he's not going to get the sack and a good chance he'll get another job out of it. Can't see Chelsea's reasoning though?
To my mind they might as well have stayed with RDM.
kidmillions
Rafa will be certainly thinking he can get the job for keeps and by the time Pep decides he is ready to manage again maybe Man City and Utd might be looking for a new boss and the Chelsea job might not be so attractive. You just never know. Good luck Rafa! A top boss and a good bloke. Just not too much luck against us.
The Irish Rover
We all have bills to pay....
I hope he does well (for him) not Chelsea and lets be honest he's going into a club where he's the puppet (no offence Rafa).
Just a thought though... january is a bad time to buy players; Chelsea have spent a fortune in recent transfer windows, Financial Fair play being introduced...
Any chance its to get Torres firing so they can sell him for a few more sheckles than he's currently worth and wait till the summer to buy a new striker?
Hoola
21 Nov 2012 19:51:16
What price for Torres to score on Sunday
21 Nov 2012 19:48:35
So it's official, Benitez is the Chelsea manager.. Good luck to him, I guess.
21 Nov 2012 19:46:58
When Rafa comes back to Anfield I hope he gets the kind of respect that he deserves from the fans.
Unfortunately some of our fans are fickle and personic
21 Nov 2012 20:03:42
He will, mate, despite what some on here will say about him.
- Something Red -
Some fans are blind or plain biased who abuse or treat rafa the wrong way..70% of the fans wanted him back after kenny, and plenty more have enormous respect for him which is obvious given his success rate in winning competitions or bringing players in and tactical vision of the game and passion for the club ..
I'm not dwelling in the past and is supportive of rodgers unless he blows up another 20 million on sturridge or probably 15 million on some chelsea academy reject or danny graham..
but again chelsea are too plastic too deserve a classy world class manager..
He will! He just wont get the points.
kidmillions
Anyone who is thinking of slating him ,just remember the hillsbrough support he has given us .
21 Nov 2012 19:41:06
Rafa - Torres - ???
In this case it takes more than two baby! ;-)
21 Nov 2012 20:39:01
If ?? is meant to be Gerrard, some of the people on here will be delighted if it happened. He's a liability, apparently.
Not me, obviously. I still have a functioning cerebellum.
- Something Red -
Torres was the main reason Benitez went to Chelski. He cared more about Torres than Liverpool and he'll care more about Torres than Chelsea as well. Torres is pretty much his niño and will start him every match.
Is it true they were lovers then
21 Nov 2012 19:37:05
Rafa takes Chelsea Ship!
Just listened to David Mellor on Sky News - absolutely slated Rafa - called him a "grotesque whinger". I'm sure there is an Ed on here who is a Chelsea fan and doesn't rate Rafa either - can you perhaps enlighten us Ed002 as my mind has gone blank. RED LENIN {Ed002's Note - I have no idea the opinions of the other Eds on Benitez.}
Good Luck Rafa...
I'm a bit gutted by that, even though I'm not part of the Rafa back as boss brigade!!
Let's hope they don't get out the group stages. Rafa really loves the Champions League.
kidmillions
More like sinking ship
21 Nov 2012 20:47:03
Similar to the David Mellor thing, one of Chelsea's fan groups have come out and said they don't want Rafa saying he's a poor manager.
I know Roy Hodgson got a frosty reception from some of our lot when he arrived, but I don't remember anyone being publically dismissive like that.
Then again, I know sod all about Chelsea fan groups. They could represent 4 people, at most.
- Something Red -
Since when does being slated by David Mellor count for anything...I still have nightmares about the story of the man kissing & cuddling in his Chelsea strip
Puzzled
21 nov 2012 19:28:51
atleast we can now confirm torres will not be joining liverpool in january
21 Nov 2012 19:45:37
Nah, it's a injob.
Rafa will sell us Torres for £2m + Carroll. Watch this space.
- Something Red -
21 Nov 2012 19:27:51
Why does people say Benitez won Champions League with Houlier's team.. If a team can won Champions league why didn't they won league or Champions league before....
Indian Red
21 Nov 2012 19:47:23
They say it to belittle his achievement. Simple as that.
- Something Red -
Indian red If I remember correctly you was one of gte first sack Rafa brigade when he was with us and now you seem to appear a pro Rafa. Hmmmm I'm confused!.
21 Nov 2012 19:25:49
Hi Ed002,
let`s assume that Liverpool`s interest in Sturridge is genuine. Does it mean he would be the only striker to be bought in Jan? And if you had a choice, would you rather go for him or Huntelaar? thanks. {Ed002's Note - The interest is genuine and there is also interest in Huntelaar. The sitution with Huntelaar is made more complex because he might sign a new deal, might run down his contract or might go to one of many interested sides. There has also been interest shown in a winger - so perhaps two forward players will arrive.}
Huntelarr and Walcott please
Which winger ed002? The boy from Dortmund?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Jeffren.}
21 Nov 2012 19:17:42
Eds fellow reds .do you think rafa will try to raid our club for player ,if he take job . eg Lucas gerrard ,agger Johnson .thoughts please {Ed002's Note - No.}
It is a temp job and Rafa has too much love and respect for Liverpool to do that.
aklfc
21 Nov 2012 19:08:50
Eds fellow reds , the big importance if rafa takes Chelsea job is who his no 2 will be . Because that was the turning point at liverpool when he lost pako ayestaran .heard a rumour they were back on speaking terms
Rafa comfirmed as the new manager of Chelsea football club and I for one wish him the very best.
Chelsea have a world class manager but we have Rodgers
Sarcasm is a tut tut.. no
21 Nov 2012 18:55:49
Get ready for the drogba rumours. Following his request to FIFA for special permssion to move on loan. Apparently wanting to maintain fitness until the ACON. Personally don't think he would move to us or any prem team, Eds your opinion?
GWLFC85 {Ed002's Note - Don't hold your breath.}
21 Nov 2012 18:39:09
In light of recent events, it seems I may have to change my name. Please suggest names, and I will choose the one that I like most!
Rafa's Purple Goatie
A.L.F.....aka...."Agger's Left Foot" would be in keeping with your discarded name.
kidmillions
How about... Rafers 3 million 6 month contract ?
How about brendan's right ball?
huddz red
Hodgsons Birdhouse, due to him looking like and owl lol
RedSpud
How about " the new goat on the block"
BR's black panamera ... Ok?!
Kenny's Red Specs.
Redjinal
Suarez's Lucky Teeth
21 Nov 2012 20:56:38
How about Skrtel's Waxed Head?
Jolly Red
Thank you for all your ideas, I did like Agger's Left Foot! However, seen as I am a student, I think I will now call myself 'El Pi**edolero' (can I call myself that Ed's if I put the asterisks in?). So, for the last time, I shall sign off as...
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Hope it works out for you mate, its a bit like when marathon turned to snickers or opal fruit to starburst. its the end of an era. ;)
huddz red
21 Nov 2012 18:02:15
Ahoy - just wanted to say that the Chelsea job is the one I would take above any other, nothing to do with my lack of PL Managerial Experience or the opportunity to wreak some havoc on them.
It makes perfect sense - 3 year contract £2.0m per year, 6 months in the job (£1.0m already banked - mortgage repaid, Peugeot 206 upgraded) a quick trip to the chairmans office and leave with the rest of your contract paid up - £5.0m. I see no down side to that.
BOILED ONIONS
Do you have to apply on line or written cv as I have just been made redundant .
21 Nov 2012 17:56:21
I am a big rafa fan and believe the guy is a legend. I don't want him back as manager though and will be pleased for him if he gets the Chelsea job. That's not because I believe he will b a success but because I like the guy and believe if anybody should be the next to get a big pay off from red rom when he decides he had had enough it may aswell be him
How the hell is he a legend? 2 Trophies in 6 years - one with Houlliers team and a lucky FA Cup win - why is it no one says Houllier is a Liverpool legend? ........Because he also isn't.
John B
21 Nov 2012 19:11:04
Because Houllier didn't win the Champions League?
- Something Red -
If he won the Champions League with Houllier's side, he is therefore a better manager than Houllier.
FT
Phil Thompson should have been made boss! Now he was a legend best season we had in years
Highest premiership points haul in Liverpool history 08/09!
John b I know Rafa isn't in the mould of Rodgers or Hodgkin and Rafa only won 2 trophies with us playing regular champions league and ranked number 1 in Europe. I no Dalglish wasn't cut up for it as he to was a complete failure. Bute do have Rodgers
The post above mentioned very important point that people seem to forget, 5 out of Rafa's six years, Liverpool was ranked 1st within European clubs ..
And as for Houllier , he also deserves legendary status, 5 trophies all in all if I am not mistaken , got us to second place in the league, in the only time we finished higher than United, and we were second to the an Arsenal team that did no loose a single game all season.
Roy
Sullies his memory for me going there
21 Nov 2012 17:46:29
I seldom seem to see eye to eye with Ed002,sorry,just fact.More often agree with Ed001.Out've interest Ed002 i'ld say your the main man/boss/whatever.If you have one, as your on the most.What happened to Ed0063? And who do the other Eds follow?
{Ed002's Note - I will somehow learn to live with it. Eds come and go and are sometimes not around for lengthy periods due to other commitments (exams at school, being on remand, etc.). Of the Eds you will see on this page most would follow Liverpool except Ed001 is a Northampton Town supporter and this year I am supporting Chelsea.}
Why the hell are you supporting Chelsea? Who will you be supporting next year? What are your criteria for support? Northern Git {Ed002's Note - I haven't decided who I will support next year - I'll see who does best this year.}
Spoken like a true Chelsea fan
Joe
Chelsea were certainly not the best last year, however, they were the luckiest ! Northern Git
Think there biting ed ;)
It's called 'Banter'. Never heard of it ? What the page is supposed to be about.
Ta ED i think lol
21 Nov 2012 17:44:09
Drogba's seeking special dispensation for a loan move to get some football before the ACON.
So where are all the ludicrous links with us?
Eds just not letting them through?
- Something Red -
21 Nov 2012 17:29:02
Ed who do u think Chelsea will appoint and when
Wafa {Ed002's Note - I can't say when but it will be soon. Guardiola has today made it clear he will be taking the rest of this season off. I think there is a good chance that Benitez will get the job to the end of the season now. However he is not the only person to be considered.}
21 Nov 2012 17:49:52
I really really don't see Benitez agreeing to the job knowing he's just gonna get binned off at the end of the season for Guardiola. He's got more pride than that. {Ed002's Note - Not necessarily for Guardiola - he will have plenty of options.}
21 Nov 2012 18:26:32
Rafa might fancy that he could impress his way into the job, especially if he can get Torres firing again.
Also, if he wants to continue his career, he should really get back into football soon. If he enters with everyone saying it's temporary and either club or manager decides they don't want to continue it beyond the end of this season, it'll hardly hurt his rep unless Chelsea finish outside the top 4.
I can actually see him taking this.
- Something Red -
Ed002,
With it looking increasingly likely that Benitez is going to get the Chelsea job, do you think it is clear to him that it is only a temporary appointment to the end of the season? If indeed that's what it is.
Redjinal {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}
Avram Grant
Chris in Tamworth
Look Chelsea are actually still in the Champions League. Juve still have to play away to Ukrainian side. Chelsea are 3rd in the league just a points off the top. So it's not inconceivable if Rafa ends up there they'll turn things around finish in the top 4 and retain the Champions League.
They wouldn't get rid of Rafa then? He'd have a job for life! Well maybe not if Pep became available.
kidmillions
21 Nov 2012 19:11:51
Cos Di Matteo got a job for life for winning the CL with Chelsea last season?
- Something Red -
Juve still have to play away to Ukrainian side who are already through. A nil-nil draw looks on the cards here
21 Nov 2012 17:27:53
If you think liverpool were unlucky hitting the woodwork the last two seasons.
Check out Coventry City, www.ccfc.co.uk/stats/player-stats/
It appears they have hit the woodwork 100times so far this year, in the league alone.
Dublad
Not as unlucky as living in Coventry.
Nick
Or being sent there
21 Nov 2012 17:23:57
It will be good news for us us Liverpool fans that visit this page if Rafa gets the Chelsea job, all of the Rafa and Torres lovers can now go and support Chelsea and let all of us Liverpool fans look forward to what is to come under the management of Brendan.
Ratty888
I like Rodgers but he will probably be sacked at the end of the year as fsg have a very bad record with managers. If he signs sturridge for 15 million then he is going to end up like kenny.
21 Nov 2012 17:52:25
I really don't get all this hate for Daniel Sturridge. I think the lads got quality and could do good things at Liverpool.
21 Nov 2012 17:55:35
Do u not think that if benitez is appointed chelsea manager he would not think about taking the coaching staff away from liverpool such as rodolfo borrell etc and the young players that he brought to liverpool that have broke into are first team such as sterling ,suso n shelvey u not think he would be interested? Thats why i dont want him to go to chelsea. {Ed002's Note - He won't be chasing the Liverpool players.}
I really do not think he will, he only has to do better than 8th to show improvement, I really believe Rogers will be given enough time to build his team and I am for once feeling positive about the way we are moving forward.
Ratty888
Benitez thinking about Liverpool players is one thing doing is another. Look at me, I've thinking about Cameron Diaz for years but I've never actually done anything:(
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - If you are going to do anything now is the time, I understand there is also interest from Inter Milan and Lyon.}
ED002 You've destroyed my dream, what chance do I have against Italian stallions and French lovers :(
kidmillions
21 Nov 2012 21:13:47
I dunno kidmillions mate,Ben Stiller nailed her in something about Mary. You must be in with a shot?
WelshBoyDave
21 Nov 2012 17:14:40
Liverpool Scouts will be Present to watch BVB vs Ajax Match to watch Dortmund's Kevin Grosskreutz.
Source- BILD
Fowlers Nostril
21 Nov 2012 17:07:34
Hi eds, just been reading that Drogba has contacted FIFA to see if he can go on loan. Clearly we have a striker shortage at Liverpool. Do you think BR would be interested if the player was available and he wanted to move to us?
Cheers red nick {Ed002's Note - I really can't see it happening.}
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not 100% sure this is true but if we loaned in Drogba now, don't the rules only allow him to play for another club as of Jan 1st before going to Africa for Jan 13th?
If this is the case then loaning him in would mean he would only be available to play for us for 1 game (Jan 2nd vs Sunderland). Surely this makes loaning him in kind of pointless, would it not?
Correct me if I'm wrong Eds, just putting the point across...
Reid the Red {Ed002's Note - You are correct but it is being suggested that the rules may be bent a little. It would also take the agreement of his club in China. Don't hold your breath.}
It will be back to Chelsea
21 Nov 2012 16:57:06
Message for ed002
Just like to say you must have had questions from all angles today, some of them turning into debates or even heated debates. We all appreciate the effort you put into the site and if we harass you for an opinion it's only because we respect it. Thanks for all the answers today ed.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - It has been a pleasure and thanks for the nice words. I appreciate that it has ben traumatic for some of the Liverpool fans to see that Benitez is likely to take over at Chelsea until the end of the season.}
Hopefully he takes them over. Unfortunately he won't be able to ruin them financially like he did with every other club.. Lfc, inter and Valencia.
Same as nevada ed thanks
21 Nov 2012 16:57:46
I cant see Benitez getting the Chelsea job, he will never be in control of transfers in and out of the club and that doesn't suit Benitez. He was forever fighting with Rick Parry over transfer dealings at Liverpool, Rick Parry is one thing but Abramovic is quite another...
The Chelsea job is one that managers should avoid, 9 different managers in 9 years is a joke, it's an absolute disgrace to football. The only manager that people will be happy with at Chelsea is Mourinho, they will never keep a manager for long til he returns IMO.
On the plus side, the instability at the club now with no manager can only help Liverpool get closer to top 4 if they win most of these games coming up, i'm more optimistic about us getting top 4 now, and if Mancini gets sacked even better ;)
Rocky
It will only be for about 4 months anyway, so he won't have to worry.
Well he got it
You got that spot on then rocky ,who gave you that tip bullwinkle
21 Nov 2012 16:38:55
It seems Abramovich is suffering the same backlash that FSG suffered when they fired Kenny.
Abramovich fired an under-performing manager who is a former player and legend of the club. FSG fired an under performing manager and legend of the club.
It's not about where you've been, it's about where you're going. Many fans just do not see past that. If you spend a lot of money, a lot is expected of you.
Ash
It could be argued that the money was not spent by RDM alone. He is just one of a few people making transfer decisions at the club, so by the rationale of firing someone because they spent money and did not live up to expectations then the others involved in the decision making should also be fired.
Nevada
How much did Di Mateo spend Ash?
The Irish Rover
Only difference is Kenny/Comolli spent a fortune on brutal players, Kenny was never the long term solution, he was brought in to steady the ship (he did a great job in that respect) and he knew that when he took the job at Liverpool.
We need to get passed all this Kenny, Benitez talk now, lets just focus on the future.
Rocky
If kenny was just bought to steady the ship...its a crime he wasted 100 mill..
is he mad????
What planet are you guys on? RDM has spent brilliantly. Hazard and Oscar have to be 2 of the best buys of the season. Marin is one for the future. Not sure where RDM has spent badly like Kenny.
Andrew
21 Nov 2012 16:16:29
money is the only thing in football.
man c man u chelsea barca madrid all have money.
milan reached 8 CL finals in 16years due to berlusconi money,his spending has slowed and bad results followed.
we are building a team and my fear is when we start getting results and our players get better there will always be a crazy club buying our best players.
i always wondered why abramovich and these arabs never talk about there club in public.
if you have all the money in the world you just buy there is no need to talk or explain yourself.
they will always beat us paying players 200k a week,we dont stand a chance.
That is a good structure to run a club and a successful one if it is done properly.
As long as the major players are on long contracts and we can ask top money for them then we can always rebuild if they are sold.
If we spent the money we recieved for Torres better two years ago then we would have had 2 new quality strikers for nothing and got rid of a player who was underperforming for a while and didnt want to be at the club anymore anyway.
Seems to make great business sense to me.
If that happens with Suarez, I will be gutted that he would have left but if we get £60 million for him, we could buy three or four new players.
The teams you mentioned all have large amounts of money to spend. They are not spending beyond their income. We cannot do that as we are not the most commercially profitable team in the world (like Utd, Madrid and Bayern) we do not have a multi billionaire owner willing to throw endless amounts of money into a pit (like Chelsea, City, PSG) we have to spend whatever we can afford to spend.
At the minute we dont even qualify for champs league which not only gives a big chunk of money in revenue to the club taht qualifies but also for us it takes a large chunk of money from us as our deal with standard chartered gives us less money outside champs league.
It's simple, spend what you make. We don't make as much as we like to believe. The proof of that is that we currently operate at a loss of around £50m per year (Correct me if I'm wrong there eds).
Nevada
Torres was a one off,abramovitch was obsessed with torres,with us he had already lost his pace and that was his main wapon.what i was trying to say is that if we sell suarez for 60mil and get 2/3 players and in time they develop like suarez did these big clubs come for our next hit.
the only way we will get there is by keeping suarez and adding 1/2 players every window.
not only suarez all our good players.
once you have a strong squad you can lose 1 player once in a while.
07/08 we had a strong first 11 if we had strong back up instead of voronin el zhar ect ect we would have won the league.
we sold alonso/march/torres and fell apart.
21 Nov 2012 17:42:51
Nevada mate you have to understand we din't make 50M lose in footy we made 50M lose coz owners decided to scrape stanely park project which they had to pay more then 40M+ for legal issues if they would built new stadium 50M lose wouldn't happen at the same time new sponsors money wasn't included which we get 12/13M extra. In short 50M lose won't happen again. {Ed002's Note - There was a similar loss made last season. It will be less this year.}
21 Nov 2012 16:04:53
eds! someone in work told me sterling has said he wants to play for arsenal is this true???
Then why did he sign for us in the first place?
Is the person who told you, an Arsenal fan, by any chance?
21 Nov 2012 15:52:47
Jus a few points would like clearing up please EDs, did borini get injured during international duty? Jus ask this because if I remember correctly b4 Manc game he was highly doubtful with a ankle problem, only reason I ask this was wondering if he was injured in int duty did we or shud we receive compensation frm the Italian fa? Other point u was wondering is the change in formation during recent weeks (anzhi & chavski) is this wot Rodgers believes the way forward is with a 352 or did he jus adapt to different style of games, again only reason I ask this is believe if he sees this as a way of moving forward do you think this might have a impact on transfer targets I.e sturridge as a partner for Suarez instead of moving either out to the flanks? {Ed002's Note - Borini's injury was identified by teh national team staff but they contend that he had it already when he wrrived for international duty. I cannot comment on formations but perhaps others will have a view.}
He likely has been trying different formations to stop people complaining that he has no plan b.
Nevada
21 Nov 2012 17:29:13
I doubt i nevana. Rodgers is his own man,he couldn't care less if people say he has no plan 'b' and certainly wouldn't put results behind formations. He simply picks a team he thinks is capable of winnning the match. If that means changing things up,im sure he's perfectly comfortable doing that as well.
WelshBoyDave
I for one used 2 v one of them! I don't wanna cause a MASSIVE HEATED debate but I never understood y he wud get rid if Carroll, now don't get me wrong he isn't every ones cup of t, but he was an alternative to what we had got! But different argument entirely there! But he defo showed me he got big go-nads in blooding youth through & making decisions early.
21 Nov 2012 15:36:39
Perhaps we were all wrong? Perhaps Ian Ayre is an evil mastermind.. First Torres to chelsea.. Then Benitez steps in to kill off the club! You sneeky sneeky man Ayre, I guess those two really do still love lfc.
How would he kill them off, he was our best manager in the last 10 years plus and should never have been sacked. Hell do very well.
Torres won the champs league, will benetiz now give them another, Ayre is fool
Torres won the Champions League by sitting on the bench, same as the FA Cup, worthless medals in my opinion because he didnt contribute enough to say he was part of it.
Igor Biscan got a Champions League winners medal with us but he was hardy an important player.
Little Chelsea won the Champions league inspite of Torres, not because of him.
To the half-wit condemning rafa just think on this £96.000 on the day he left ask Margaret aspinall for her view on rafa,he made mistakes so do all human beings one of us....y.n.w.a
Paisley's genius
Biscan was immense that season!
Realistic red
If rafa was liverpool through and through and a great man then he would not have left us with the poor players that he left us with and 20mill for aquallani is worst than carrol and on par with downing ,also he would not have taken the pay off he recieved when he left what was it eds 6 mill , he's such a great manager he lasted a long time at inter who won everything the season before , and guess what he got another pay off for asking for money , same with valencia , i wonder why rafa could afforf to give 96 grand away ,
Took less than his contracted severance & did not have to give anything let alone £96.000
Paisley's genius
People make far too much of his generosity, £96,000 to Benitez is like the average Liverpool fan putting 10p in a charity box - the man lives in the biggest and most expensive house on The Wirral, his wife and kids love the area and are involved in local community charities - there is the reason he would want the Liverpool job again - nothing to do with his supposed love of the club.
For pities sake - move on from Benitez, it'll save me haven't to point out all his deficiencies every time people call him a legend.
John B
21 Nov 2012 15:29:40
Nevada mate Chelsea have got owner who has got obsession with winning. Abramovich can do anything for winning at the same time sacking managers have benifited chelsea in short whenever he has sacked manager chelsea have been successful why would he change now
I wasn't saying it wasn't working just that in my opinion it lacked respect and treated everyone as commodities, not surprising I know but I had respect for his desire to win and felt he was due credit for putting his money where his mouth is, but he doesn't treat people with respect. What kind of message does that send to everyone else?
Nevada
Nevada, too many people these days know the price of everything & the value of nothing,if he could abramovich would buy the kop & crowd for their champions league games....plastic flags for plastic people it's just a Shame that money is such a large factor...
Paisley's genius
21 Nov 2012 14:47:06
Apparently we have no interest in Bony. His agent is trying to drum up interest in him and secure him a big money move somewhere.
I doubt thats the reason, he's a very good player and wouldnt need much talking up to interest big clubs
21 Nov 2012 14:46:46
Hope rafa gets the Chelsea job and shows all the persons who wanted him out of Liverpool what he can do.
He got the Inter Malan job and really showed us didn't he lol... He was too negative even for Italian football
Rocky
What an idiotic post. Get back on your own page.
davethebutcher
I'll be devastated if Rafa take's over at the bridge!
Rafa's strongpoint is identifying a good player, he brought some fine players to Liverpool It's just what he does with them that's the problem.
kidmillions
Slight disagreement with you kidmillions - he did bring some good ( even 1 or 2 great ) players, but his bad signings outnumber them by about 5 or 6 to 1, and cost this club an absolute fortune in wages and lost transfer fees - although I will concede he made money on Alonso.
John B
Rdm got sacked as west brom manager then won the CL and FA cup, hes gaurenteed to do well there and they will buy falcao probably with that team sam alladyce would win trophies
Now jurgen klopp is sum1 who has shown us what he can do by getting an underperforming team buying unknown players and winning the bundesliga
Something BR is brave enough to do
Look what he won with us, CL best thing ive seen in my life time and probably will.
never should have gone
As a club we have had many great nights - Istanbul was one of them - winning the FA Cup in '65, Eufa Cup '73, Rome '77, the Double in '86 - all won by managers Benitez couldn't hold a stick to.
John B
Why are you all so interested in a former manager taking over at Chelsea? You are supposed to be Liverpool fans who's loyalty lies with the current manager and players....get behind the team and support them.....
Rafa will always divide opinion but I will always remember how he fought our corner against hicks gillet & the media I was stood on the kop when we beat real Madrid & inter Milan some great nights with rafa always one of us....
Paisley's genius
I think under Rafas management Liverpool made a near £30 million profit from memory. It would be interesting to see how they fared if they didnt have to pay all the interest payments. Rafa generated plenty of money with his Champions League success.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Liverpool actually made losses if you total the accounts for the time Benitez was at the club - however much of that is of course down to the owners at the time.}
My bad ed002. I meant to say that Liverpool made close to a £30 million profit in one season. Without the crippling interest payments would there have been a profit during the Rafa reign?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - There were losses also from his spending on players before the limits on squad sizes were imposed. But it is tough to pin anything on the manager solely.}
21 Nov 2012 14:29:12
Dear Eds and Fans
Rumor First: Dubai Financial Analyst mate of mine who works on financial projections for a bank has heard from contacts that Liverpool have 15 Million Euros Plus sales and an available 100kP/W for players once Joe Cole and Downing leave the club (In Jan, he hears).. No idea on players but the speculation for Sturridge is very strong.
Now; Given the latest interest by CFC in Benitez, i recall a story that i partially heard heard three years ago and which has continued in episodes
It is now not such a big risk to tell (back then, fans were polarized about Benitez and Torres etc and even the Eds on here were being very no-nonsense..)
The season before Liverpool's second place finish, Roman had offered LFC 100 Million Euros for the services of Torres AND Benitez.
Benitez had poured cold water over it, and in a reported meeting with Hicks and Gillette, he has literally blown his fuse at the very mention of the bids... Threatened to resign and threatened that the fans would revolt...
Roman would have to bide his time, and so he waited.
The Idea at that time had been to Sign both as Roman saw this as the best way to compete for the league and for the UCL.. he has always admired Rafa, and despite people telling him to look elsewhere, has always kept Rafa's number in his pocket
In the season we ended 2nd, Roman made Rafa the offer for taking Torres and reiterated his desire for both Spaniards to make the switch to the south. Again, Rafa had politely refused, even when pushed by his own agent to consider the deal given Rafa's growing spat with the LFC owners. Roman had always heard praise of Rafa and admired the man's tactical awareness, which to him was at a par with Jose and Fergie.
When Rafa was fired, he was again asked to join CFC and pull Torres from Liverpool as well. He refused again.. And then after Hodgson was sacked, Rafa was not contacted, the man was apparently disappointed and was again made the offer by Roman.. he refused again, citing that he needed a break and that he would NOT take Torres from Liverpool in any way. He loved the fans too much, even though he knew Torres was disillusioned with the Roy era
and then... Roman went and got Torres... At that time, the player asked Benitez to join him at CFC and Rafa, advising Torres to stay at Liverpool under Dalglish, again refused
When Dalglish left, Rafa was shattered at being overlooked. With Torres and Mata at CFC, thats when Roman called him the fourth time.. just a few days before Chelsea Vs Juve... and today.. we see this long, terrible story come to an end, with Rafa finally tired of waiting and with no hope of honors at Liverpool for the foreseeable future, He will move to rejoin Torres and old Valencia charge Mata at CFC.
YNWA Fellow reds
YNWA Rafa
And the moral of the story.. be careful what you wish for, because sooner or later, it will come true.
The Red Winger
The mans a legend.... look at the kids from his set up.. they are carrying us now
Even though we're playing a bit positive with Buck i would have Rafa back in a heartbeat! He will do very well down there! I'll be gutted if he take's the job!
Benitez didn't find those kids - we have a scouting network and Academy coaches that made them what they are.
For every good signing the man made ( not kids ) there are 2 bad ones at least eg:- Voronin, Deggen, Kromkamp, Barragan, Nunez, etc, 79 signings in 6 years and possibly a dozen successes.
John B
21 Nov 2012 16:00:15
Old Valencia charge Mata. How old is Mata? Very he didn't even play under Rafa back then.
JohnBoy
Benitez was losing his marbles at LFC, He then fudged Inter. Torres is now crocked, getting on & as a result is now sh*te. So I'm not bothered.
dd
In Rafas defence he lost a lot of players to injuries at Inter, not just squad players, key players. Moratti refused to let him buy replacements. He did cripple us with transfers and wages though so I wouldn't trust him with my cheque book either.
Nevada
Rafa Benitez made liverpool the most feared club in Europe for 4 years.
He put with nearly bankrupt owners and Rick Parry, having to buy 3-4M Euro-trash to keep a full squad because the owners wouldn't give him a cent, be publicly fought for the fans (Free agents and bargain basement players).
During his tenure, we were linked with he following players who publicly stated Liking LFC (Some heavily linked for 6 windows in a row)... Villa, Silva, Mata, Jesus Nevas, Coentrao, Bale, Rossi, Jovetic, Micah, Milner, Aguero, Zarate, Hulk etc...
He signed the backbone of the team (players who were or ARE the mainstay and almost indespensible even now).. Agger, Johnson, Skrtyl, Kuyt, Reina, Alonso, Masch, Torres, Yossi, Mereles... and HIS scouting team found our current crop of youngsters we so depend on now... The case really is closed mate.
Rafa Benitez is the reason fans are so discontent with mediocrity now. he would never praise loss, almost never praise a draw... HE was US.
EVERY player thanked him for making them better players.
He'll always be a legend in my eye's! In Rafa we trust!
Meriles came under Hodgson.
JohnBoy
"Rafa Benitez made liverpool the most feared club in Europe for 4 years."
LOL. Sure, whatever you say.
BJH YNWA
21 Nov 2012 14:21:49
Whilst I respect lots of people's opinions on this site, people have to wake up and realise, that Torres will never return to Anfield. I think the people who want him back are those who cannot ever, ever get over an ex-girlfriend or something you once had before, and cannot detatch themselves emotionally from a previous person.
It's as if the girlfriend Torres left us, and we got an amazing another girlfriend in as a replacement (£50m = Suarez). Painful, but it happens, and you move on, you have to. And whilst overtime you have a love hate relationship with the new girlfriend, you come to accept her and realise recently that she is the absolute best thing that has happened in a long time. She's the future, and she can take you straight back to the good times you had before.
Meanwhile, the ex-girlfriend (Torres) is with someone who doesn't treat her the best (Chelsea), and she just stops trying, starts looking real unattractive, won't put out, and is a shadow of the girl you used to know. Even when the guy tries to take her to places and make friends with people who she might be happy (build a team around) to come good again, she still just can't handle it and doesn't want to know.
And when it's realised that the guy is gonna dump her soon (sell), you think its a good idea to let that person back into your life just because of the current situation. Because you had some good past memories, because you hope that just because the person is back in the same situation as before, they would magically get better and everything will be all rosey.
Look to move forward you cannot focus on the past, the best future is always the one you haven't been a part of yet. Suarez is the future, Torres is a headache for whoever has him. The two together would be dreadful, would cost us dearly. Absolutely awful idea and Liverpool know this and are smart enough to not even entertain such an idea, driven by emotions and not at all by logic.
Torres is a shadow of his former self, he will never be the player he once was, and Liverpool are 100% not interested in him now and probably will never think about him. You should definitely admire former players for their accomplishments, but the past must remain the past. If you want him back, its because you can't let go of this past, but the real world is here and now and its called El Pistelero, not El Nino.
RC
I have used this analogy previously, but people just don't seem to get it.. Time to move on!
Portillio
Has someone's girlfriend left them? As we're sharing my cat died last week...... Lets go and get another
You seem to miss him the most, seeing the size of your post bitching about it mate :P
Spot on; I had a former girlfriend that ditched me! I was devastated because I really,really luved her. After 18mths or so she wanted me back, only thing is she'd put on about 3 stone in weight.. I said no.. I could never go back!
kidmillions
So you have a new g/f in Saurez and you want to take back an ex in Torres coz you feel sorry for her. Threesome is on the cards mate, well in there :)
Dublad
21 Nov 2012 14:19:26
Anyone taking bets on how many nutmegs Suarez does on Ashley Williams on Sunday?
Nick
Bookies have suspended bets lol
Judging William's comment's today that he want's to knock Luis out i hope Luis turn's him this way and that way that much it make's him dizzy! Plus with his comment's today Ed's is'nt that threatening behavior?
21 Nov 2012 14:16:05
Mid table team, had it not been for Romans millions where would Chelsea be right now, probably around 6th or 7th alongside Newcastle & Everton. Any club can win trophies if they have unltd amount of money to spend, look at Chelsea, M.Cty, Anzhi for example pay stupid amounts of money and wages knowing that they can outbid any teams to get players.
BigD
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BigD mate in which world your living
Shankly did the same when he was our manager just go and check some of his transfer records paisley did the same even breaking records buying some youngsters at that time. Kenny did the same. Fergie has done all years. Barcelona have the best academy but still spend big to win. No team can be succesful without spending these words were sayed by Guardiola one of the most respected manager who loved to play footy the way should be played.
How can you say Guardiola is one of the most respected managers.. If he is all that lets see if he can dominate with Chelsea or Cty..
BigD
Real Madrids history is built on buying the best players in the World as far back as the fifties, Di Stefano, Puskas were not welcomed at first by spanish fans who wanted only Spanish players until they won the European Cup with Di Stefano and Puskas that is.
kidmillions
It still be above us!!
21 Nov 2012 16:25:24
Every manager has spent to achieve sucess no manager has been sucessful without spending even Rodgers has sayed he needs 3-4 class players to make liverpool competitive again
Shankly spent and even broke some transfer records and even brought some flops same with Paisely so should we hate our History BigD mate
Shankly bought Tony Hately for a then British record fee of £100,000 from Chelsea.
Hateley scored 30+ goals for Liverpool. Shanks sold him after that one season as he didn't fit in with Liverpools pass and move style. Liverpool were also the first big club to raid Scotland and buy up all the best Scottish players.
kidmillions
21 Nov 2012 14:10:10
Has any team ever sacked 3 different champions league winning managers before?
I don't know what chelsea are moaning about. di matteo was promised 2 seasons and that's what he got. summer and autumn. {Ed002's Note - His contract was for one year with a one year mutual extension if needs be.}
21 Nov 2012 14:08:32
eds002 how come when chesea have a few bad games there are aloud to sack manager even though there fans didnt want it but yet when liverpool have had bad results all year we question his place yet were out of order
mike {Ed002's Note - I am not sure that the comparison is a good one but the opinions of the fans are not something that Chelsea will be particularly concerned about. Whilst a manager or coach is in his position he should be offered the support of the fans and the club. If the situation is such that changes are required then everyone has to move on. It would be fair to say that the Liverpool fans' opinion of the owners, manager, players etc. varies week-by-week so it is unrealistic to expect the owners to be able to respond to their whims at such a pace.}
I like the fact that Ed002 tars all Liverpool fans with the same brush. I agree a few muppets change there mind like the wind, but the way Ed talks, it is everyone. {Ed002's Note - Suck it up.}
21 Nov 2012 15:02:34
ed i think you should stop saying 'the opinion of liverpool fans' in answers like this, the few that comment on this forum do not sum up the millions of fans points of view, the forum is designed for people to put forward ther opinion at a specific time...usually after a match has finished so the result will obviously reflect the opinion for a few hours, you seem to be implying that if 30 (for example) say 'sack him' as a reaction to a poor defeat that this is the overall opinion of l'pool fans, slightly disrespectful to us.
I85 {Ed002's Note - Just suck it up and move on. There is no need to whine and bitch about everything.}
I think the decision comes off as very premature to most fans, Ed. While Chelsea have only gotten 2 points out of the past 7 games, they're still in 3rd and only 4 points behind City.
To me, it comes off as though Roman really didn't want RDM there and extended his contract out of courtesy, sort of like the Kenny situation with us(I know it's not the best comparison, but it's somewhat similar). {Ed002's Note - I was surprised he was given the job on a full time basis.}
Huh, I was under the impression that you were fully behind RDM after reading a couple of your posts, but maybe I misinterpreted them.
I thought winning the FA and UEFA cups would have at least guaranteed him a year or at least until Guardiola, and possibly Mourinho, would be in play.
He was a stop gap solution and everyone knew, but I'm left scratching my head at the Benitez rumors. Aren't they essentially in the same role, as a short term solution? It doesn't make any sense to me, why Roman would bring in Benitez if he is only going to be a short term manager. Why not stay with RDM, who had you guys top of the table 10 games in and 3rd right now, especially when Benitez is going to change the style of play and dynamics of the team. I guess I just fail to see how Benitez would offer more right now over RDM, if both are only guaranteed until the end of the season.
21 Nov 2012 14:04:51
Question for ED002 please,
I've noticed you saying today that managers are just transient employees and that its a results business.Just curious (since you seem to be in favour of the decision to sack him) where do you draw the line at what is acceptable? Is 7 bad results the line?
Chelsea are extremely fortunate that they have so much money to keep spending on managers because without that money I don't believe you would be able to attract the quality of manager that you aim for, any manager taking that job would have to assume that they are just a caretaker manager.
Di Matteo had a win % of over 50% how can you say thats bad? it's not as though he's built that up over years of service, thats his recent (and only) record.
Perhaps its a vacancy which chelsea should only ever advertise as a temporary position and then you don't have to keep paying termination fees to managers.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - It is not as simple as drawing a line. Chelsea expect the side to be successful and it has been. The club will do what is necessary to sustain that success and if it means changing players, coaching staff, management or other staff then that is what will happen. Given the liking that many Liverpool fans have for comparisons - it is much like Liverpool removing Comolli when he was found wanting, or Chang, or Hodgson.}
It's not really like removing those at Liverpool though really ed, none of those had just made the biggest achievement in the clubs history.
I know that you don't have an issue with the revolving door policy at chelsea and neither do I as it seems to work for you, but don't you think that this firing was a little hasty? There were good reasons for the others(Except Mourinho) but 7 games of average results, not poor results, average, should not really warant a sacking.
Do you agree or disagree to my idea of the chelsea job being sold to managers as a temp position regardless of the candidate?
I know this is the Liverpool page and this is not liverpool related but I'm genuinely interested in your view on this.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - Just to be clear, Mourinho was not fired. Neither were Grant nor Hiddink as they were interim solutions. If there was a mistake with Di Matteo it was him being given the job on a full time basis as it was never planned that he would be more than an interim solution. I have no problem with removing people from their roles if they do not meet expectations. Chelsea would like a long-term solution but have been unable to find anyone suitable. Their efforts are continuing still today.}
A more accurate comparison would be removing Bill Gates after inventing windows because profits dipped for a couple of weeks.
Nevada
You can't measure success over a 7 game blip. Would be much better to look at the bigger picture and see that he won the Champions league and FA Cup and was in the process of changing Chelsea to a more attack minded outfit? Which was a directive from above apparently. Concusion? A very unfair dismissal whatever way you wish to look at it.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - I am sure that eventually you will learn to live with it Kidmillions.}
Hogson didnt win the champions league.
rb
{Ed002's Note - It is a very romantic ideal that sees clubs live on past glories - but not one that Chelsea subscribe to.}
Im sure there are plenty of that clubs that live on past glories, Chelsea don't subscribe because lets be fair the haven't really got a past history to talk about and its really only clubs who don't have a glorious history that resort to little jibs about us living in the past.
our glorious history will never be forgotten and its history that defines who we really are.;)
RB {Ed002's Note - Still hoping that Owen, Torres, Alonso and Benitez return?}
Come on ed, that was a little silly to say that living on past glories is romantic. Are you honestly telling me you don't care about chelseas history?
For that point you should never sack any manager ever since everything they do is history as soon as its done, and as you said chelsea are not in the habit of making decisions based on history.
I am proud that liverpool have a history as any team with a history usually is. It's part of what makes a team great. I am a big LA Kings fan (have been since 80's) and even if another stanley cup never comes to the staples again I will always look back on the one we do have with fond memories. Ignoring history is to erase it.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - Myself I have no feelings either way about Chelsea's history - it is just a football club. As for the second paragraph, I will just ignore it and not comment - I assume it to be something you already regret typing. I am not a hockey fan but I was in the City when the Giants won the World Series in 2010 and it was one happy town. But much US sport is franchised to the extent that "teams" can move across the country - as the NY Giants did back in 1957 to become the SF Giants. Perhaps growing up in the US with the "portable" sports franchises is the reason I am so rationale?}
Football is all about making history ed.no point in making it if you cant or wont cherish it. {Ed002's Note - Football at the highest level, like it or not, is about making money and trying to achieve & sustain success.}
Never mentioned them ED, but would love to have Fowler back but hes past his best, il have to settle for BR and Suarez.
RB
I didn't consider the moveable franchises angle before now. Makes sense. Not something I've experienced being a liverpool and kings fan.
The second paragraph I admit was a little extreme but was just to illustrate the point that history shouldn't be ignored or forgotten, whether good or bad.
Thanks for the replies to day ed.
Nevada
21 Nov 2012 13:48:25
It is being reported that Walcott has sold his house in london for 1.7 million.Does this ring bell??
Aneesh {Ed002's Note - Twitter is this?}
21 Nov 2012 13:55:59
And this the same week that Torres took his house in Liverpool off the market :O Omg, Torres and Walcott are nailed on surely Ed?
Any news on Messi with regards to his movement in the property market?
YNWA! (Adam)
It is twitter, and not just any twitter page but a (optimistic) liverpool fan page.
My mum just sold her house too, maybe she's signing for Liverpool as well..
davethebutcher
No dave, she's moving in with me :)
Har har har, walked right into that didn't I! Lol
davethebutcher
For 1.7 million I should think it does have a bell...
21 Nov 2012 13:31:42
Ed2 mate you say dimatteo was sacked coz football is results bussiness then what about Rodgers at Liverpool who has worst record compare to Dimatteo. {Ed002's Note - You have to consider matters in relation to expectations.}
21 Nov 2012 13:58:48
Ed2 are you trying to say indirectly liverpool is midtable team coz as far as I know liverpool is big club compare to chelsea from any angle {Ed002's Note - I am not sure what you problem is with plain English and how you have managed to twist the words to create something you can grizzle about.}
What were chelseas expectations this season ed? To do what no other team has ever achieved since the inception of champs league in its current format and defend the trophy? {Ed002's Note - Expectations are continued success. The Champions League remains the proverbial "piece de resistance".}
Apparently Rafa is about to sign a long term 4 month contract at Chelsea.
My expectation is that under Rodgers we will end up a better team than Chelsea.
Just lumping a load of expensive players and ego's together is not the way to create a great side.
kidmillions
Grizzle ha ha, that made me laugh. Never heard that before.
Nevada
Wonder if he can do to Chelsea what he did to Inter Milan - 4th spot up for grabs then.
21 Nov 2012 13:30:11
Walcott and Huntelarr if at all possible please
21 Nov 2012 13:22:29
With Benitez favourite for the Chelsea post do you see him bringing Rodolfo Borrell with him if he gets it? {Ed002's Note - Favourite? Borrell?}
Borrell loves it in Liverpool. He is going nowhere. He said so himself.
I really hope Borrell get's promoted to 1st team coach! Should of before Mike Marsh!
21 Nov 2012 13:14:29
To Adam and fellow reds,
Sturridge scored 22 goals in around 42 starts rest were substitutes
Is this a good record? Be honest
Shak Attack
He has still only scored 38 in 137 in all competitions starting or sub. 13 is the highest scored in one season and 8 the next highest. i'm not having a go at him, i don't mind him but i just don't think he's justified people saying he's a garunteed 15 goal a season man
Adam
21 Nov 2012 13:01:23
Hi Eds, why is the link to Free Football Bets not available on the sidebar on the banter page? Have to go to Rumours to get to that page.
samp {Ed002's Note - I'll have the team look in to it.}
21 Nov 2012 12:57:40
Ashley Williams says "I really dislike Suarez!" My question - who is Ashley Williams?
DM2012
21 Nov 2012 13:15:55
He's a guy with a couple of things in common with Rhod Gilbert.
One being that they live in Wales, and the other has something to do with being a comedian..
Does he not recall kicking chunks out of Andy Carroll before having a mini wrestling match?
YNWA! (Adam)
Its because come Sunday Suarez would of buried them with a Hat-Trick.
BigD
Well he's going to really hate him after Sunday's game, Suarez is going to rip him a new one for the whole game ....
Let's hope Suarez gives him plenty to write about on Sunday with a master display against swansea.
Forget Ashley Williams, who's Rhod Gilbert??
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Funny isn't it, when will these people realise, the more Suarez gets cussed and hated the better he plays.
davethebutcher
21 Nov 2012 12:40:47
Eds and fellow reds,
Cant the club lodge a complaint against the inflammatory statements made by Ashley Williams ahead of the Swansea game?
I hope Suarez can be the bigger man and knock him, so to say, with his game. Ashley should have a chat with David Moyes.
He's one yellow away from suspension and judging by his reaction against Everton, he takes these matters to heart. So lets hope he maintains his composure.
Cheap publicity for his book. Disgraceful.
NILO
I would love it, if Suarez, after scoring, celebrates by pretending to read a book.
You just swallow all the tabloid trash do you? Hook, line and sinker?
He said bugger all - Suarez dives at times. We knew that anyway. Then 'they' use his 'contempt' comment out of context.
They're just spinning it.......
Use your brain and don't fall for it.
BJH YNWA
21 Nov 2012 12:33:32
hi ed great site..
people dont like rafa benitez at liverpool..
he is useless and dont know how to manage and play football..
leme pray to god he comes to chelsea...
poepl cant complain and stop the process..
and see what he does there..
4-2-3-1..formation..
he will sell mikel...and bring someone like mascherano..
sell lamaprd and bring someone like alonso..
lets wait.....
YNWA
IF rafa goes to chelsea, u have to remember that he will have huge resources. not the same as liverpool. if we had the resources he needed, he could go on n be succesful here. but not all manager needs huge resources to be succesful, and im confident BR is the man for us. chelsea n rafa does sound like a perfect fit, if he becomes succesful there, then so be it, i care more about liverpool anyways.
Kaizer
Is your keyboard broke chief ? the guy won us our 5th European Cup and a lot of Scousers are eternally grateful but you probably supported Arsenal when that happened
21 Nov 2012 12:24:54
Rafa joining Chelsea could be a blessing. He may raid Liverpool for some of his old players in Jan and pay well over the odds. He can have Carragher, Gerrard, Reina, Johnson, for £100m and he can have Downing as a bonus free gift with purchase.
If Rafa does get appointed he will have zero input into the transfers. Literally zero! You obviously have no understanding on how Chelsea FC operate. So live in hope mate, but you will need to find a new club to take your has beens. We already gave 2 of them CL medals.
You can certainly have Torres back though, I for one think he could regain some form at a mid table team.
Melbourne CFC
Mid table team, had it not been for Romans millions where would Chelsea be right now, probably around 6th or 7th alongside Newcastle & Everton. Any club can win trophies if they have unltd amount of money to spend, look at Chelsea, M.Cty, Anzhi for example pay stupid amounts of money and wages knowing that they can outbid any teams to get players.
BigD
To the last guy...
so whats ur point?
they have money, they spent, and they win..
we dont have money. we dont spend and we dont win...
so you want us only to dream of our history??
Well when he bought the club, we had just come 4th in the league. We have also won 2 FA cups in 5 years, so it could be argued that we were an improving team.
Of course without Romans investment we wouldn't be where we are now, but the funny thing is you say we would be competing with Everton. A team that is better than Liverpools.
I find it extremely amusing I see on this page day after day asking for FSG to spend money. And yet you have a crack because my clubs owner does just that.
I didn't ask Roman to buy the club, and yet you fans give us supporters crap for it. I had no say. I am very pleased he did turn my club into the powerhouse it now is. I'm not going to make apologies for something I had no control over, and when you boys constantly bring it up, it just reeks of jealously.
Melbourne CFC
Melbourne CFC - I understand that Chelsea Managers have little say in deciding transfers. But is that something to be proud of?
I mean I appreciate every club has a way of functioning. But sacking a manager after 12 games who doesn't even get to chose his own players is a bit unfair. Don't you think?
Enough said without romans millions you wouldn't be where you are now.
Im more than happy with what Liverpool are doing at the minute, we have players at the club that could walk into most teams, we have one of the best academies in the world along with Barca and Ajax, We have a good manager in Rodgers and play attractive football so no matter who you buy you will stil never be able to touch our great club.
BigD
Didn't Carragher stab him in the back when he only offered him 1 year extention ?
No im not having a crack because your owner spends daft amount of money, im just pointing it out that if you can just buy any player you want than you'd be expected to win things, look at M.Cty for instance spent well over £250m on transfer fees for:
Barry
Milner
K.Toure
Y.Toure
Adebayor
Clichy
Nasri
Silva
Dzeko
Balotelli
Tevez
Agureo
Lescott
Its becoming a bit of a joke with not just Chelsea but other clubs in general, how can you sack someone after a few bad results, he won the Fa cup & The CL for crying out loud, something that Roman desperately wanted and still gets the sack.
Also If Chelsea want Pep Guardiola then they had better hurry up as when Real Madrid beat M.Cty tonight and knock them out of the CL then Mancini will also probably be out of a job, and with M.Cty recently appointing Soriano & Tixi surely that makes M.Cty favorites for his signature.
BigD
Melbourne CFC - winning the FA cup, whilst
attractive to fans (and owners), is not in itself the sign of an improving team...How
many games do you have to win??
Puzzled
OP Is totally disrespectful to Loyal Liverpool players that have served the Club well.
kidmillions
One more than you did last year Puzzled.
Melbourne CFC
21 Nov 2012 12:18:22
thanks for your response Macca,
iam glad iam not the only one who has doubts about him, the only plus i could see with him moving to us is that he has already played with suarez.
so the three main links are huntelaar,walcott and sturridge.then comes hooper and jeffren! Out of all of them i think walcott would be the best suited...and as i said on here about a year ago i would realy like anthony pilkington here from norwich. i had good information that we were intrested in him when kenny was here. can the eds or Macca or anyone else shed any light on him?
harry h
21 Nov 2012 12:09:41
Sorry to add fuel to an already burning fire but with Rafa favourite to replace RDM at Chelsea surely Torres' future at Chelsea is even more in doubt. Ok Rafa might not get the job but Rafa and Torres don't see eye to eye anymore and i'm sure if Torres is available and does want a return to the Liverpool area i'm sure Rafa would be happy to help us get the deal done since he obviously still loves the club.
Any views?
Keep up the great work lads :).
Rubbish.. absolute rubbish.. Rafa would be there to get the BEST out an under performing Torres. Why would he do Liverpool a favour..he would there to ensure we didnt compete. And Torres will NEVER be coming back to Liverpool. Where do you lot get this drivel from?
TORRES to LIVERPOOL... no no no..will NEVER HAPPEN. I'm sick of this..its putting me off this site. Must be a bunch of 12 yr olds on here. No mature reasoning at all. NONE!
If you can remember Torres started going downhill when Rafa left so if Rafa join's Chelsea he'll get him on the up again! I feel sick that Rafa could probably will join Chelsea! He hung around waiting for that call off LFC again which never came so who can blame him! but i really hope he do'es not take it! As he will make them a very powerful force!
21 Nov 2012 12:08:43
Hi Eds, I'm just looking for your opinion more than anything else.
Considering who we've been linked with this January window, what do you consider the best "value for money" to "impact" ratio to be??
Considering, Transfer fee, Age, wages, current contract expiry, EPL experience. And considering LFC's current transfer policy etc
Just my thoughts ...
Huntilaar, though a proven finisher might be a bit of a risk at 29 and big wages, never in EPL, doesn't feed into the longer term plans, more of a quick fix, think I'd rather a younger prospect with the money we'd spend on him.
Sturridge is not yet proven, on big wages, big transfer fee, contract runs in 18 months, for the 15m being banned around I think this is possibly the worst value for money for LFC. Might be a good player some day. Half that fee and it might be worth a punt, or a loan to buy option.
I'd wait until the summer and bring in real quality for 15-20m quid if that's the case.
Hooper I see as just too much of a short term fix, come the summer when BR has 25m+ and whatever he brings in on sales, Carroll, Downing etc, could be 50m+, we'll just have another player we'll be looking to shift out. Think he's peaking at about his level.
Best value for money until the summer as I see it ...
Walcott - 7m, 23, proven EPL exp.
Tello - 7m, 21, Barca quality youth, low enough risk, wages etc
Suarez, Sturridge, Villa, loans to buy
And if we are going to spend 12-15M+ on a forward, I hope he's a much more al-rounded player than Sturridge. They're definitely out there for that type of money and you'd have a better shot of finding them in the summer, not January.
If I've missed anyone, fill me in, thanks a mill :-)))) YNWA
Walcott for 7/8m and Jeffren/Sturridge on a loan to buy would be the best value and with Borini due back, we'd have great options until the summer. Tello is a supper prospect too who'd fit in with our club I think. Suso deserves his chance, Sturridge would destroy that.
I hope BR doesn't waste 15m on Sturridge, he's a greedy, typically over hyped English player who's done nothing to command such a fee.
Walcott for £8m
Sturridge on loan with aview to a £10m move
When would we loan to buy Sturridge? Isn't his contract up at the end of the season? Then he can go for free!
davethebutcher {Ed002's Note - His contract is not up and the enquiry made by Liverpool was regarding buying him.}
21 Nov 2012 12:07:51
Macca,
Just out of interest, do we still have interest in past targets -
Castaignos
Muniain
Soldado
Walcott
Sturridge
Tello
And is Hunterlaar the only one other then above (if any) that we are targeting?
Thanks mate,
Ozred {Ed002's Note - Try the search function please.}
No, No, No, Yes, Yes, No.
Castaignos = moved to FC Twente
Muniain = Destined for Barcelona
Soldado = Signed new contract
Walcott = Good chance
Sturridge = Good chance
Tello = Stalling on contract offer
BigD
21 Nov 2012 12:05:36
Macca,
I would love to see Torres back at Anfield. It seems as though he wants out and Abramovich is ready to cash in. I think he would form a dream partnership with Suarez and re-capture his prolific form in front of goal...do you think this is a possibility?
What dream partnership? On the contrary, he would ruin suarez as well. King Luis deserves a better strike partner. Huntelaar plz.
Indian Buzzer
Torres would cost £20m or so and i don't think he would fit in with Rodgers style of play.
21 Nov 2012 11:38:31
Hi Ed's
A good friend of mine who has connections within LFC, say's the sturridge deal is a possible smoke screen with a deal for Torres more likely. He is also apparently refurbishing his house which he still has in Liverpool. Could be some truth in it, but I find this highly unlikely, but you never know {Ed002's Note - A "smoke screen" eh? If Liverpool want to buy Torres why would they enquire about Sturridge? Quite how do you see this working then? Other clubs approach transfers by enquiring about the players they are interested in.}
Ah Ed....Is this the first smokescreen of the January transfer window?? !!
It'll be mighty smokey and foggy come the end of Junauary if the smokescreens are starting this early
Irish Red Dog
Nothing is more cringeworthy than a football rumour that involves the concept of a 'smokescreen.' Get real guys, take your smokescreen ideas to the conspiracy pages- they never have and never will exist!
21 Nov 2012 11:37:39
Alright Ed's. Not Liverpool related but any idea who Chelsea have lined up as their next manager? Or at least who is favourite? {Ed002's Note - No one is "lined up" at this point in time.}
21 Nov 2012 12:24:11
They're running out of people to ask! It's a disgrace the way Di Matteos been treated, the mans got class and won the champions league and f.a cup in 9 months and should've been given the rest of the season and a striker in january to win the league.
Pep doesn't want it, he's hanging on for the United job imo. I can't see Rafa going there because of the way Abramovich is and it's disrespectful of Chelsea fans saying Rafa would be a stop gap, I don't think Rafa would willingly go into a job to be a stop gap. Why would Mouriniho go back there after the way the Russian treated him last time. Hiddink would cost a fortune and is happy where he is.
The only one left really would be Harry Redknapp, who looks set to be paid a fortune to take over as the manager of the Ukraine.
I can't help think that Abramovich has now set himself up for a fall, running out of options and when that happens the wheels may start to fall off and the end of the day it would all be his own fault.
Kev79 {Ed002's Note - Chelsea are looking for a long-term solution and are actively following up on their preferred solution. If not, then they will need to put a short-term solution in place.}
21 Nov 2012 12:45:59
and what would be the long term and short term solutions Ed?
Kev79 {Ed002's Note - The long-term solution that they would like in place right now is Guardiola. Chelsea has spoken with one possible short-term solution already and may considers others should it be necessary. There is no point saying who at this time.}
Ed002,
Do you think Guardiola would accept? i find it doubtful he would. Doesnt seem like a good fit to me, I think he would be more likely to go to united, a team that trusts the manager and willing to give him time.
I don't like di matteo and found him a bit too aloof for me but I do think sacking a manager who has just given the club the greatest success in the history of the club, is a horrible way to treat success.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - I have no idea if Guardiola will accept the chance to take over now, take over in the summer or decline the offers. I am sorry to hear that you don't like Di Matteo, I have always found him very pleasant with a good sense of humour.}
21 Nov 2012 11:23:59
It's probably me just talking goo, but does anyone else think the Di Matteo situation was similar to Kenny's situation with us? Ex player (obviously not comparing the two), brought in to steady the ship, does well (possibly over achieves given his abilities), owners feel they will get hung if they don't offer him a contract. Then next season it all goes pear shaped, they sack him and get the person they actually wanted.
Lucas Lovechild
21 Nov 2012 11:12:03
Hi eds and reds!!
Just thought I should pass it to you guys.
Lucas suggests Liverpool move for Damiao
When asked which of his international team-mates he thought could strengthen Liverpool's strike force, Lucas replied: "The consensus in Brazil would be Neymar. He is a different player now: a promise turned into reality. But I know signing him would be very hard, almost impossible.
"So among the other players who are currently in Brazil I would choose Leandro Damião. He would suit the Premier League very well, as he is a strong centre-forward who finishes very well and knows how to play with his back to goal."
Aneesh
Didn't BR have Licas doing some scouting or something weird like that when he was recovering from his recent injury? Or did I make that up? Not too sure but would love him to join us!
Nick
21 Nov 2012 11:08:28
Hi Ed002, just interested in your thoughts about the possibility of Rafa being appointed as Chelsea mgr?
I think he did very well at LFC considering his budget decreased in the last couple of years, and I do think he's learned his lesson about giving contracts to poor players like Degen, Voronin, etc- and he does have an eye for a top quality player too. {Ed002's Note - It is a results driven game and a manager is no more than a transient employee of the club. He might be offered the job on a short-term basis but would certainly not be taking control of transfers.}
21 Nov 2012 12:27:09
On those grounds Ed I can't see him taking the job then.
Kev79 {Ed002's Note - You mean if offered on a short-term basis? He is certainly not the long-term solution the club are looking to.}
I dont think Chelsea actually have Long term plans . No manager is going to succeed at the club until Abramovich hands over control of the transfers. A Russian with lots of money dictating who is to be bought on a whim is not the way a football club should be run. {Ed002's Note - That is not how it works I am afraid. Chelsea has not been suffering from a lack of success.}
Given his very public exceptions to lack of transfer control at both Valencia and Inter I would imagine he would turn it down.
Nevada
21 Nov 2012 11:06:58
for me its unbelieveble chelsea sacked di matteo,chelsea had 2 chances to score first lastnight would have been a different game.
if benitez gets the job we should not be surprised if he will come in for agger.
it will be funny for me to see benitez at chelsea knowing that he really cares for liverpool.
anyway thats football i guess.
Only problem is Agger loves Liverpool, he's living the dream!
kidmillions
So now people are aainst benitez if he becomes chelse Manager??
21 Nov 2012 12:28:48
Agger was Torres' biggest critic when he moved to Chelsea and slated the manner in which he did it.
Agger loves Liverpool, not Rafa. The only player left who still has strong ties to Rafa is Reina (according to his book). I wouldn't be worried, starting price would be £50m anyway.
To the Original poster! Was'nt funny for you to see "King" kenny leave us in 91 then take Blackburn to the title? The only difference between Benitez's situation and "king" kenny's situation 1st time round was Rafa was forced out of LFC!
21 Nov 2012 10:51:27
I know I shouldn't do but as a football supporter you've got to feel sorry for Chelsea supporters. Most of whom totally disagree with sacking the Manager. I agree he should have been given more time to continue the rebuiding process. The thirst and greed for success is going kill the game we love.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - You are making an incorrect assumption that the manager has responsibility for buying players - he is no more than one input to that process.}
I meant tactically rebuilding on the field of play. I wasn't assuming anything.
kidmillions
I agree with kidmillions the greed in the game is killing it. i hope we give brendan the 3 years he got andbuild for success. ps a manager should have the final say as he is judged on performances on players signed during his employment not some jumped up rich man with his toys which he will end up throwing outa his pram.Tommy Irish Red
Feel sorry for Chelsea?? Yea right
Not Chelsea per say! But the genuine football supporters of Chelsea? There is a difference.
kidmillions
21 Nov 2012 10:38:26
Morning all
Just wanted to say personally I wouldn't be upset if we did sign sturridge, he's young, can score in the prem with pace. Understand peoples frustration with all the calls for Torres to come back, in my view we have moved on as a club, agree with ppl saying we should be moving forward not looking to resign ex players every window.Hunterlaar not really sold on, one hand he and suraez had a great partnership at Ajax, would they translate that to the prem? Who knows! But the lad can score. Anyway its gonna be an interesting season for us one I hope we can all enjoy!
Mills
Really don't want Sturridge upsetting our apple cart!
21 Nov 2012 10:36:25
torres has helped sack more mangers than helping his team win matches LOL !
On a serious note Ed, have chelsea offered Rafa their managerial position ?
I'll be damned coz I think he is a world class manager (with PR issues) but undoubted footballing knowledge & tactical nous and with Chelsea's budget they might be untouchable under Rafa ..If the torres of old gets back with that dream attacking midfield of theirs it would be insane .. {Ed002's Note - I know little more than what has been publically stated and speculated upon.}
I agree Rafa at Chelski would be bad for the rest of the prem. Top manager he would make them very hard to beat and they have abundance of flair to hurt teams.
feel sorry for DiMateo tho, champs league and FA cup and sacked, unbelievable what is considered success then? {Ed002's Note - It is current results that matter - not what happened in the past.}
Ed002. You can't sack a manager based on 4 below par games unless there is a bigger problem. Any team can have a blip during the course of the season. And even then chelsea was unlucky to lose against manchester united. They were top of the table before that.
Sunny {Ed002's Note - Chelsea has not won in seven games and the results are unacceptable. Managers are simply transient employees of a club like the players. RDM was never going to last more than one season. You should perhaps visit these pages after Liverpool lose a game and see how the posters feel about the manager.}
To Ed
i understand its a result business and the past doesnt matter however it is recent past, he is only 12 prem games into this season - i presume it is more to do with the champs league results that chelski arent happy with but noone has the right to do well in that comp (apart from us when we are in it - it is our trophy after all) still feel sorry for him {Ed002's Note - It is simply a matter of results.}
Rafa had 5 seasons at Liverpool when he never won the league with players like Gerrard,Torres,Alonso, Agger,Carra,Hyypia,
Reina, Masch,Johnson all at his disposal yet still failed. I can think of a few Managers that would have won the league with them players. Please believe me he won't get away with that at Chelsea.
kidmillions
I really don't think there is a relevant comparison to liverpool here. Unless you are implying that the chelsea supportes contributed to the manager losing his job. I don't think club take decisions based on what supporters think.
A transient employee in any organization is given clear targets. Firing him/her if the targets are not met is completely reasonable. Chelsea on the other hand are still capable of winning the premier league and still in the champions league. But what do I know, I am a liverpool supporter.
Sunny
Why feel sorry for di matteo he will get a fair few bob off abrahm n wont have to work again but will probably get mark hughes the bullet and get the qpr job nothing to feel sorry for his luck ran out he only won the 2 trophies last year through luck we should of beat em n barcelona played em off thepark
Well said ed, beat a team and BR is the next shankly, lose the next and he is roy hodgson.
KUMBER
I dont think rafas style will suit what roman wants he wants barca style not the ac milan style from late 80s.Tommy Irish Red
Alonso best football came in the last season....
21 Nov 2012 10:31:15
What will we do if Chelsea's new Manager wants to keep Sturridge? Torres has also asked Abramovitch can they have Rafa :) It's all happening! Again!
kidmillions
Liverpool will do well , if the two players from Chelsea (Torres and sturridge) are signed .
21 Nov 2012 10:25:54
Sturrige can't get a game at chealsea, and what has hi done that some to be worth 15 million, some fans think we afford good player, look at Everton. Jelovic 5mil proven mirelles 6mill proven goalscore, Swansea. Michu 2 mil proven goalscorer, we took a chance, Carroll, Henderson, adam. Downing, we bought 1 proven goalscorer suarez and it works, we need proven goalscorer
21 Nov 2012 10:21:09
This is not a dig at BR, I think he is turning out a pretty decent side considering what he has been given up to now, but if you think back to before the season and the quote about we will sign someone that will excite the fans, and now the owners again saying something similar, I start to worry about how far apart the fans and management teams expectation level's are.
I am not saying he has brought in bad players, but I would not say his signings have excited the fans either.
It was joe allen i think they were talking about. BR knows more about him than we will ever know and was his prized possession at swansea. and in BR i trust.
KUMBER
Joe Allen has been pretty decent so far. The rest however, have not got enough game time to be judged. Im sure both Borini n assaidi will come good.
Indian Buzzer
Again the same problem as always on this site. Read the post properly, it was not a go at BR, it was a question so please answer it then Kumber, does Joe Allen Excite you as a player?
I think he is very good, but that is not the point, exciting is the point.
Didn't BR say that a couple of days before signing Borini?
Nevada
Yeah well neither excited me
21 Nov 2012 10:10:13
i for one will be gutted if rafa goes to chelsea because he is the manager i wanted back here liverpool because he loves this club and i think he is class and wat he did for this club and the 96 is top notch i will be devistated
mike
Why so many disagree's?
21 Nov 2012 09:55:06
Haha,bye bye Mr Di-Matteo. Thanks for the champions league victory with pensioners. Don't let the revolving door hit you on the way out!
WelshBoyDave
Its no laughing matter. Im sorry but to sack a manager that only 6 months ago won you the Champions League and FA Cup is utterly farcicle and completely disgraceful. Its not all Di Matteo's fault that Torres can't score and Luiz thinks he's Ronaldo. Who in their right mind would work for Abramovich for the right reasons (not to recieve a nice cheque when they get sacked)? Good luck to you Robbie, hope you get a job at a club with a bit of class and pacience.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Great init!
ITs a pity we can't afford to sack BR
who has a much worse record than Roberto
21 Nov 2012 09:48:25
Rafa link to Chelsea is just my opinion, however i am 100% sure that Chelsea already have a manager in place
LFC93
Pep
Cuchulainn's Hounds
21 Nov 2012 09:42:55
I think we should go for Gary Hooper and Charlie Austin and build our own stars. We could also bring Alonso back that would give the midfield feed because no one does it like him. Yvonne
Alonso should be resigned because his passes will be good for Torres and suarez
21 Nov 2012 09:41:18
HI EDs, wonderful site am on here everyday having a nose ......Was just wondering if its true about Benitez going to Chelsea, Do you think he will try and raid Liverpool for some of his old players he signed for us? ie Skirtel or Agger {Ed002's Note - If he does have a short spell at Chelsea he would not take control of any transfer dealings.}
21 Nov 2012 09:38:22
please god raffa goes to chelsea and keeps torres there then we will have peace on this page
red rrab
21 Nov 2012 09:33:42
Rafa Benitez could be the new temp manager at Chelsea, I hope I am wrong
LFC93
21 Nov 2012 09:31:27
I pray we dont degenerate to having to change coaches every season, I'm really sorry for Di Matteo. At least we've got BR who has the backing of the Fans and the board.
Hopefully we will start to reap the dividends real soon with the start being the 3-0 win over wigan.
Oseunfunmi (Anfield Red)
21 Nov 2012 09:29:44
Ill say something, im not sure all our fans are following the same club!, so what if anyone wants to post about Torres or Rafa or Kenny, these are people who have given us extra pieces of history and great great times, if someones opinion is theyd rather see Rafa or Kenny then thats their opinion, and if someone wants to see Torres back then thats their opinion too, were all entitled to say what we want to say but whats with the arrogance of some of the replies on here?
we get these regular...'stop living in the past'....'Kenny wasted too much money'....'Rafas side was too boring'.........
Give over...Torres was awesome for us, Kenny is a legend and deserves treating so and to be fair so is Rafa...how many on here said we were boring when we came from 3-0 down in the champions league final?.......
Come on, have your opinions but why all the arrogant responses?...youd think we supported different teams here, ive been a fan since the 70's and ive never seen our fans so split and never have i heard Anfield so quiet......sort yourselves out.
The Guv...YNWA JFT96
Brilliant Gav...
dd
Well surely the responses are just people "opinions" so pretty dumb post really just cause people done well in one instants doesn't mean everyone should want them back in a another.
I dont know how 4 u rafa sistem was boring, if his sistem was more atractive, and from his sistem we increased our fan based around the world specialy around asia. But let me tell u 1 thing u r 1 of thouse person hu fink mourinho is world beater.
21 Nov 2012 10:22:17
Season tickets have to play a part in that. Will somebody who's watched 20 matches already give you the same support as others who haven't?
WelshBoyDave
How the hell can you put Benitez in the same sentence as Kenny Dalglish - Dalglish is a Liverpool FC legend, winning numerous trophies as player and manager - Benitez won 2 in 6 years, the first one with Houlliers team, which he almost lost by playing Kewell and mainly thanks to Stevie G's captaincy and the 2nd a lucky FA Cup win.
Spot on lad. Well said.
Waro
The best post iv seen on here in months.
nice one mate.
harry h
Spot on mate. It's got embarrising on here ( bit like the home fans the last couple of years ), I'm backing the current boss and players 100% but when did that mean I have to slag off the players and managers that have given us some great times in the past.
Kenny and Rafa love the club, and the work they have done at the acadamy is probably keeping us out of the relegation battle this season.
In the end torres may have lost faith with the club, but how many genuine world stars would have stayed as long as he did at a club that was slowly going backwards.
The Guv - I do agree with this post in the sense that people should be allowed to remember the old times without getting slated by the trolling 12 year olds on here, however I have to take slight issue with your 'arrogant posts' remark. I love listening to the old stories people post on here (kidmillions etc talking about the old games) however a sizeable proportion of those harping back on here integrate it with whining about the current team. I don't think people would have issue if people said something along the lines of, 'Oh you remember that game with Dalglish...' or 'Torres was on fire that match...' but instead we get a bunch of angry 'fans' laying into Rodgers and the current team going on to say how they want the likes of Dalglish or Torres back. It's infuriating. I'm sick of seeing Fernando's name on this site. So, although I see why you'd get annoyed at people saying, 'move on', I can also see why 'TORRES TORRES TORRES' constantly is angering a hell of a lot of people on here. It isn't usually about the past games and how brilliant they were, unfortunately, there's a lot of people trying on here to bring the past back, and that seems to be the crux of the problem.
JFT 96
JP
To reply 3.
imo mourinho is the best or at least top 3 managers in the world at the moment. rafa would not even be in the top 10. the reason our fan base expanded in asia is because of marketing which rafa had noting to do with. no manager wants to take their player half way around the world for pre season. what did help was that liverpool were wining games, noting to do with the system, rafa could have been playing 7 at the back and it wouldn't have mattered.
to reply 8.
what other players would have stayed that long? gerrard did you forget about him. pepe, agger, alonso would have stayed imo. what about suarez he is with us almost 2 years is he asking to leave.
KUMBER
This post is a bit of a contradiction. You are saying people can have their opinions if they want. However you are then going on to complain about people who say things like 'Rafa's side was too boring' well thats their OPINION in which by your theory they are entitled to!
Adam
21 Nov 2012 09:19:56
Eds fellow reds ,rafa to Chelsea buy the end of the week .
21 Nov 2012 09:03:24
All these persons going on slating sturridge. I'm sure you will all love him if he joins and scores crucial goals. Lets be honest he can score in the prem and that's what we need.
Murph
21 Nov 2012 09:01:31
Anyone else shocked that these Torres rumours are still carrying on? I don't even get why people think he's going to come back?! There is a lot of stubborn people on this site..
Londonred
21 Nov 2012 08:36:12
Unfortunately, we have as much of a chance of signing Eriksson from Ajax as we have of cloning Suarez. I don't know where the rumours started, will guess twitter, but it is not going to happen, sorry.
Nick
21 Nov 2012 08:24:25
Fernando Torres - Chickens coming home to roost?
BaldyRed
21 Nov 2012 08:13:04
Benitez to Chavski, hope this will shut up the "we want Rafa brigade"............jayspearings ghost
Don't forget the Torres on way back lot! if Rafa does go there.
I bet your not even LFC fan's? And if you are then your pretty stupid and disrespectful one's!
21 Nov 2012 07:23:01
Anyone that compares sturridge to the likes of downing and carroll having got the slightest clue about football
Dalglish spent 80 million on championship players, sturridge is a premiere league quality forward who will easily bag us 15 goals a season unlike downing whos being kept out of the side by a minor whos a winger who cant cross or assist, adam a set piece specialist who couldnt take freekicks or corners, carroll a striker who couldnt score goals, enrique a defend whos not great at defending and henderson i dnt know he's meant to be good at tbh but he's atleast young and can be moulded into something
Lets just let BR do his job and support him Ffs atleast he isnt going after granero & diame who was next on dalglish and comolli's hitlist
Sturridge has scored 26 goals in 96 games. so to say he's a 15 goal a season man is nonsense - He could well turn out to be (as could Borini) but there's no evidence to suggest that at the moment.
Adam
He's crap with an attitude problem!
21 Nov 2012 06:59:53
It's amazing how many people that have ZERO relationship to players and clubs think they have a working and accurate knowledge of the emotional and mental state of high profile players. Please stop passing of your amateur psychology as some sort of gospel because it is just not true. We all know you have no knowledge of our own players at LFC let alone players from other teams...so please stop passing off your assumptions as truth.
That statement in itsself is a psychological analysis lid.
DaveyBootle
21 Nov 2012 04:18:49
Personally I believe we would be able to purchase Daniel sturridge for less than the £15mill being quoted. That's just the price Chelsea put on him when BR made an enquiry. I think £12-12.5mill would get sturridge and I think playing him regularly would pay off.
Sturridge---Suarez---sterling: pretty threatening attack with a lot of skill and pace. Sturridge has prove he can get goals like a poacher. Especially in the last games he's played for Chelsea apart from west brom last weekend. Then make more movements in the summer. Plus borini will be back by this point.
21 Nov 2012 02:12:22
Dont want sturridge and i hope we dont panic buy like when torres left ,iwould prefer it if we just got the one quality player who is definately right for the money as when lucas is back we will have one behind two attacking midfielders ,one quality player who ticks all the boxes,if we cant get that player in january ,we should save our money until summer,better safe than sorry and anyway us not getting dempsey gave our club the chance to try youngsters and i have enjoyed watching ,i agree we need a quality striker but we need one that will help mr suarez not piss him off,so lets not get mr average lets get a proven veteran for 2-3 yrs e.g mr Huntelaar,who is available and then watch the kids grow into them roles with smaller cameos and then we might not have to buy again for some time - SALLY-
Sally...Good Thought !!
Best bit of reading on here over the last few days and from a female. #Fair play#
How could we panic buy in the transfer window? maybe rodgers wakes up on the 31st of January and suddenly remembers the winter transfer window. the only real way this could happen is if suarez hands in a transfer request on last day of window and someone matches his value.
KUMBER
21 Nov 2012 02:11:13
Downing £8m
Cole £1.5m
K-Jan Huntelaar - ST, 29: £6m
Giuseppe Rossi - ST, 25: £11m
Jeffren Suarez - RWF, 24: loan
net spending £8.5m
Your figures are wrong.
No way will we get £8m for Downing. £5m max.
Cole will have to be on a free.
The players in all seem a bit low as well.
Meanwhile in the real world. Rossi is injured and it would amount to an £11m bet. No one will pay a penny for Cole unless we pay of his contract - net loss. Downing we may get £5m tops and may have to repay some of his contract,
Guiseppi Rossi doesn't have any knees. A human with no knees isn't worth £11m.
davethebutcher
21 Nov 2012 00:41:50
Eds and reds, just a word of warning to those who think they know is joining and to whose who know is joining and also to whose who want certain players to join. Rodgers himself only knows! Remember in the summer when dempsey, sturridge etc was meant to be done deals and then suddenly, BAM! we sign yesil and assaidi and think, who are they and are they any good? so you see, until January is actually here, we are just gonna have to keep praying he has that ace up his sleeve and get that striker we so desperately need! fingers crossed.
also Mr rodgers, while names are thrown about, please take a look at dundee united striker JOHNNY RUSSEL
cheers, Jim
Hey Jim.
This site is all about posting Liverpool RUMOURS. Nobody actually states that they know things for a fact And I for one, enjoy scouring through the rumours so I can decide what I think is BS or not. That's the fun part of reading a rumours site.
Thanks anyway for warning everyone. I'm sure that as a result of your post, nobody will ever post any more rumours unless they are 100% certain it will happen (sarcasm)
PS - Messi to Liverpool in January. Straight swap for Assaidi. Lol.
Why ridicule? What does it achieve?
Daveevad
No chance would we swap the new messi (assaidi) for the old one lol
I thought only facts were posted here
As most posts say FACT
and thats a fact
Im so glad you put sarcasm in brackets, I thought you meant that for a minute! I too find it fun to read facts and fantasy posts. Let's hope he signs someone to complement our boys and bang those goals in.
Jim
21 Nov 2012 00:25:23
Hi folks! Don't panic about sturridge as he is not our main target. Our main targets this window are Huntelar, Eriksen, Holtby and Walcott. Huntelar =£8m, Eriksen =£15m,Holtby £7m and Walcott £8m. Total = £38m. Sell Downey £8m, Cole £2m, Hendo £7m plus Andy Carrol £18m =£35m. Net spend = 3m!
If only it was that easy!
Another delusional fool
21 Nov 2012 09:15:09
Have you buyers lined up for hendo, carroll, downing, cole, etc.
Because its unlikely Rogders has!
21 Nov 2012 00:24:07
I love this site and all of the posters who leave their names, especially chris in tamworth, kidmillions, asianred, cozinoz, mr em, jonesred and derryred....oh and puzzled, I would like to know your guys thoughts on who we should try to buy in january. I know we need a striker but what kind of striker is really gonna wanna come in and play second fiddle to our magician Luis? I just dont see it being worth the money to buy a huntelaar or similar type of slow striker who isnt versatile enough to play in a front 3. I could see Sturridge or Walcott being a fit on the right but to be honest Im not in love with either of them..I just dont know and reading the british media just makes my head spin. Thoughts? And ED1 you're the man
phillyred
Hi! Philyred: I agree with your doubts on Sturridge and Walcott and also agree that both players have the necessary skill and eye for goal to be a success in a front 3. You can only pass it so much, so perhaps either would provide a balance.
Playing regularly alongside Suarez and Sterling would improve either player mentioned in my opinion. Only thing with Walcott, if Arsenal did let him go? It wouldn't be till the last day of the transfer window and I think Rodgers wants and we need someone the first day of the transfer window.
kidmillions
Hey Phillyred thanks for your comments. I do think Huntelaar would be a good piece of business in all honesty.
We are crying out for that striker who is in the right place at the right time, and Huntelaar fits that bil. With only 6 months left on his deal this also adds to the pros for me instead of cons.
I do honestly think Walcott will eventually sign a deal with Arsenal. With the recent events at Chelsea I could even see Sturridge now staying to see what the new managers plans are.
I doubt we could tempt Llorente who also only has six months left on his deal. I would love both to sign in all honesty, but I think he'll move to a CL club.
There are two other players I'd love to we try in the Liverpool team and that's Mauro Zarate and Lucas Barrios.
Barrios is currently in dispute with his club in China and could be available for a reasonable fee. Zarate on the other hand is I think loaned out at present. I'm unsure if this is a six month loan or full season one, but he could be bought for a nominal fee too.
So ideally for me I'd like one of Zarate and Barrios, and also one of Huntelaar and Llorente.
Jonesred
21 Nov 2012 00:05:51
Quick question for the Eds.
Did Brendan Rogers ever work with Sturridge at Chelsea? I can't remember if they ever coincided.
Taken into consideration where we are at the moment as a club I can fully understand the interest although i very much doubt the figure would be for 15 million.
IncaMan {Ed002's Note - No he didn't.}
20 Nov 2012 23:58:02
I'd love to see torres back in the Liverpool shirt, is there any possibility it could happen?
Yeah, if you support Atletico Madrid.
How could Torres be in a Liverpool shirt if he playing for A. Madrid?
20 Nov 2012 23:57:46
Hey eds,
Just read that sturridge signed a four year contract with chelski in 2009, meaning it would be up this summer. Has he signed any extension and/or do the club have an option to extend for another year?
Thanks for the great work, love the site {Ed002's Note - His contract runs until 2014.}