Liverpool Banter Archive November 21 2013

21 Nov 2013 18:08:59
So according to the yellow bib rule it's gunna be

Mig

Flanagan
Skrtle
Agger
Johnson

Lucas Allan gerrard

Hendo coutinho

Suarez.

I hope not! Only creative force we have is cout and Suarez. Seems every time we come to a big game our team is depleted because of injurys. Enrique is causing us big problems with his injurys, we need to go for a top LB in jan.

21 Nov 2013 19:46:57
There is NO such 'rule'. Sometimes it is the starting lineup sometimes it isn't! And today's pictures obviously is NOT the line up. If so BR has lost it and we will be lucky to avoid defeat.
Alberto, Allen & Flanagan starting? Me thinks someone is screwing around too much if that's the case!

21 Nov 2013 15:55:47
Hey Edds any truth to the rumours that Suarez has been offered to Real Madrid? {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

21 Nov 2013 12:40:55
Just a quick one, against Everton would you stick to 442 or revert back to 352?

Tough one for me, winning formula against a more solid defence (sakho vs lukaku)

Maybe go 442 and stick sakho in anyway?

Thoughts?

Stick with the 442. Sakho will have to wait for an opportunity like agger did.
For me with Enrique out i'd put Johnson on the left as Cissokho is average. Then try Toure at right back.

21 Nov 2013 14:58:10
Absolutely Not marco, haven't you been around?
Johnson is the RB. We changed formations after toure played RB and we lost to Saints!
What you're saying would basically mean that we will have 0 width in attack.
Cissokho is bad defensively & offensivly so far.
For such an important game, Sakho needs to play at LB. At least he will be very good defensivly and help with lukaku. Toure can come on later if we're winning and play with 5-4-1 to shut them out. That would be a massive sub to be able to bring on with his power and experience.
I would go for the same team that beat fulham but with sakho in for cissokho. That way Brendan can switch to 5-3-2 anytime of the game with Hendo at RWB & Johnson at the left but that's if things need changing. My opinion at least.

Stick with the 4-4-2 just bring Sakho in for Enrique bcos Cissokho is in poor form

No malak what u want is to play sahko at lb and not have any pressing fullback at all?i agree with marco, at least its more positive, toure would give more going 4ward than sahko would at lb . stick johnson lb toure rb . both have pace going 4ward and defensively, when we played shampton we had 4 cbs, at least toure can play at rb

21 Nov 2013 17:33:01
Pressing fullback? What?!? Sakho presses more than any of our current defenders combined.

By playing Johnson at LB and Toure at RB you will be playing 50 % out of the back 4 out of position.?!

Toure rarely played RB I his career. DM for arsenal! Sakho's 50% of his games for France and PSG were at LB.
Johnson is NOT a LB and never was, just because he was played there sometimes and it went really bad doesn't make me want to even think that option for 1 sec.
Answers on a postcard!

Sakho played one match left back and was terrible for Liverpool, personally the back for should be skrtel beside either sakho, agger or toure (Rogers choice) with Johnson right full (only right full fit) cissokho left back as he is the only left back available

Cissokho will start LB I feel, thought for a game of this nature, I would play Agger LB and Sakho in the centre.

Johnson and toure have d ability to get up and down at full back . a big rangey centre half doesnt, if u play sahko at lb we won't be a threat down the left at all . toure is a fair better right back option than sahko at left back simples . sahko is completely a cb especially at premiership level

21 Nov 2013 22:59:56
Maybe I'm right and maybe am wrong lads, only thing I know I wouldn't start with flanagan whatsoever, and that the only one who needs to get it right is BR not us! And he needs to get it spot on, I wouldn't mind a 5-4-1 if sturridge can't play.
Mignolet
Toure Skrtel Agger
Henderson Lucas Johnson
Gerrard Allen
Coutinho
Suarez

Maybe I'm thinking about the game too much! I bet am not alone though ;)

Malak questioning if I have been around I am sorry mr expert!

Yes we would have width with those two. Yes Johnson can get forward on the left better than any other option and in a back four Toure would suit that role as the 442 s not the same role as the 352 you are on about.

You say we could use 541 too shut them out and Sakho, ha have YOU not been around we used 5 at the bck for 7 games with Sakho and we conceded in 6 out of 7. Oh and the game Sakho played left back we conceded two.

We played 442 last game with Agger back and it is the best we have played all season.

22 Nov 2013 09:30:53
Marco, your ramblings are so inaccurate it's embarrassing mate.
First, Sakho only started 1 game at LB, a mix up between toure & Skrtel allowed Saints to get a corner, then Agger lost Lovren in the box and he scored.

2nd, Sakho never started at LB away to Arsenal, he was shifted there when cissokho got subbed, we were already 1-0 down! So errr.

I really don't think you understand what the word WIDTH means. So I won't bother trying to explain that to you Mr. 'Funny guy' who thinks Fulham at home is the same as the derby at Goodison

Malak u went on a rant about sahko at lb . rodgers himself has just stated it didn't work with him there and we lose out offensively as I've said, anyway I wouldn't even play sahko . agger and skrtel for me, and the fullbacks are guna be johnson and flanagan, not my choice but rodgers, that's it, your width plan don't make sense its stoopid, big rangey centre halves at lb pffft

Malak,

I did not mention anything about Sakho at left back against Arsenal so I do not have a clue what you are on about!

You are on about width with Sakho playing there and said Toure should be on the bench but then in a post today you said Toure should start. Contradicting much?

You speak to people like they know nothing and you are some expert, now I am glad you have internet connection in your country now and can read match reports and stat sites but please do not speak to people like they are stupid because you do not agree with them.

22 Nov 2013 12:26:09
And you strike again to somehow embarrass yourself again Marco!
If you know how to read I only said toure shouldn't play as RB, but if you look you see I started him in CB along Skrtel and Agger and moved Hendo to RWB. Pfffffffffs

Oh I have really embarassed myself! I will not sleep tonight. Weirdo.

I am on about what you said today which was the following:

Marek - Why is everyone wanting to experiment in the seasons most intense and important game? Just start the same team that started against fulham, if Sturridge is unavailable, start with Toure or Moses.

But the team you said yesterday was:

Marek - Maybe I'm right and maybe am wrong lads, only thing I know I wouldn't start with flanagan whatsoever, and that the only one who needs to get it right is BR not us! And he needs to get it spot on, I wouldn't mind a 5-4-1 if sturridge can't play.
Mignolet
Toure Skrtel Agger
Henderson Lucas Johnson
Gerrard Allen
Coutinho
Suarez

And you also said:

Marek - For such an important game, Sakho needs to play at LB. At least he will be very good defensivly and help with lukaku. Toure can come on later if we're winning and play with 5-4-1 to shut them out. That would be a massive sub to be able to bring on with his power and experience.


So i'm guessing if you say lots of things then one might be right and you can be this smart arse you try to make out you are.

21 Nov 2013 12:01:42
According to reports Alonso has signed a new deal with Madrid until 2016

21 Nov 2013 09:39:01
What does everyone think of the McParland and Borrell decision?

21 Nov 2013 10:27:40
Rodolfo Borrell is the reason we have so many good players coming through. He has done a wonderful job with the academy and it would be almost a shocking decision imo. Why? The only reason something like this is acceptable is if is off to manage a real team or personal reasons. Damn, this day is bad. Enrique is out and now Borell is gone! Hmm

Borrell cannot take responsibilty for our youth academy, no player has been sculpted by him. Players like Suso, Sterling and Ibe have all been bought from other teams academies where they were seen as future stars; Borrell didn't turn average youngsters into world beaters but the club bought the quality youngsters.

Borrell also doesn't install the same philosophy as Rodgers wants from our academy, the academy don't retain possession like they should, the off the ball work (Suso/Sterling for example) really isn't to the level of Henderson, Suarez etc who Rodgers is a big fan of for their work rates.

Obviously the academy has been successful recently BUT there are academies which are much better due to the club as a whole having a philosophy (Barcelona/Ajax have the same philosophy from U9s to the first team)

I am of the opinion that clubs should have a philosophy and bring in managers and staff who appreciate that; the English example would be Swansea who have over the last decade had very similar managers (Rodgers/Martinez/Laudrup etc) You can look at United as well where over the past 25 years they have had a consistant tactical base, whereas teams like Crystal Palace have been going from Freeman, Dowie, Holloway and each of these require their own players.

If Rodgers was sacked and replaced by Mourinho today we would be a worse team; we do not have the players Mourinho needs for his philosophy but we do for Rodgers - This is why stability is the best way for success.

(Obviously I moved on from Borrell but I hope the thesis of my comment get it across that it could be for the benefit of the future)

Real bad malak

Good post, Mr Rose

21 Nov 2013 09:21:33
Hi eds,
Just curious but in your opinion do you think suarez will leave in january? If so would we immediately line up replacenents? Such as mitroglou? Diego Costa or even benzema(exchange). Thanks in advance!
Kinglfc {Ed002's Note - Read the posts please.}

21 Nov 2013 00:05:15
If we are to play Sakho against Everton, who do you think would be the best defender to partner with him? Or do we switch back to the 3-5-2 formation?

Red Rum

3-5-2 with Agger and Skrtle IMO