Liverpool Banter Archive November 21 2015

21 Nov 2015 23:13:08
Why are the English media so quick to dismiss Liverpool?

At least half of the articles I've read reckon City lost because they missed Kompany. No, they lost because we were scintillating!

They were only missing Kompany. We were missing Sturridge, Hendo and Sakho. Imo our 3 best players. Our best player still fit (based on current form) was Coutinho and we still demolished them in the 25 minutes he missed after injury.

We were just too good for City. Papers need to stop making excuses for them. They were missing one player ffs.

22 Nov 2015 02:47:26
Silva not even good enough for the bench?

22 Nov 2015 03:27:06
Same when we beat Chelsea we didn't get the credit. But they were missing Silva too.

22 Nov 2015 05:23:57
EMS to be fair along with Kompany they were missing Silva, Nasri, Otamendi as well.

22 Nov 2015 08:34:33
I do agree with you EM, we were excellent all over the park last night, the only real sloppy piece of play that I can remember was Milners back that almost resulted in a goal for City.

I do though feel that City also had spine of their team missing too in Kompamy, Silva ( who for me is the most creative player in the league, a joy to watch ) and only a 70% fit Aguero to be fair.

City's defence was a shambles when they broke and attacked, we picked them off with ease and brilliantly so, could and should have been more than 4 for us.

For me, the real tests are at home when teams sit back, defend deep thus putting the initiative on us to break the visiting teams down. You can almost feel the anxioty around the ground if we haven't scored with half an hour played. On the other hand, we score early, fail to get a second and the visiting team gets an equaliser, again you can feel the tension around the ground which ultimately transfers to the pitch.

I think if Klopp can install a consistent belief at home then we could really do well this season, last night proved we have the talent, with key players to return also.

Happy days!

22 Nov 2015 14:14:33
A mix of both. City have a spine of Hart, Kompany, Silva Aguero (You can maybe include KDB in there now) and that's it, Toure has once again over the least few weeks decided he's had enough. Whenever city miss 2 of that spine, they look awful. I just don't think they work as a team, and Pelligrini fits players in rather than picks the best team, Toure is one of those players.
They did miss Kompany that much was clear. Mangala is really struggling to impress for me in the prem, I don't think he was aware how pressurised and fast our game is. I would not expect hart to be o poor again either.
We were brilliant in our punishment of mistakes however. our quick ball movement in posession and constant running into the space between players was exquisite.

we were brilliant, but at the same time, city were very poor at the back.

21 Nov 2015 21:57:14
I always maitain that Skrtel is never what pple labled him as a bad defender. a solid player who won a best for lfc under Kenny, never put his foot wrong untill BR came and made everybod at lfc defense shapeless. you can see Guadiola defense being sound perfect with good positioning and cohession. many in here accused Skrtel for dropping deep under the previous manager, but he was never dropped to the bench bcos he was doing what the gaffer wanted. now you can see the apparent reactive front foot challenges and winning areal balls in the middle, thanks to JK and his staff. i said it, Skrtel can adapt and still pick by different managers. top man! Y. N. W. A.

21 Nov 2015 22:19:50
He is actually winning headers in our box from corners rather than pulling shirts and running after players

Our fullbacks still make me nervous

You can see in the interview Klopp gets annoyed when we pass back to Mignolet for no reason
Can did it - leading to the Aguero
Clyne always does it

Best thing Klopp has done is eradicate all the pointless passing around between the centre backs and keeper.

21 Nov 2015 21:11:07
Oh my god. Football never has been or ever will be a difficult game. You need good players to beat good opposition but essentially you need to pass to someone else with the same colour shirt on as you. The rest is down to good attitude and a collective will to help each other out. That comes from having a leader who the whole squad believes in and want to please. I think we have that leader now in Jurgen Klopp. I would like to see more leadership on the pitch, someone who speaks clearly to individuals as the game progresses, but there are a few candidates for that role; Can, Henderson, Skyrtel, Lallana. Think we still need a bit of muscle - be interesting to see who Klopp recruits.

21 Nov 2015 22:01:26
The Harry Redknapp school of management, think you are seriously underselling the tactical side of the game.

22 Nov 2015 00:39:44
I only ever got to non-league - Havant and Waterlooville - you might remember us - so what would I know? In my opinion the majority of people unnecessarily over complicate this beautiful game. Do you think Sir Alex coached Scholes, Cantona and Ronaldo to play that way. Ofcourse he never, he provided the right environment for talented people to express themselves and recruited the right people to play with them. Views like yours have held the English game back - all about tactics, fitness, neutralising the opposition. Get a grip - recruit good players, keep em fit, develop a positive attitude, team mentality and love for the club - game on.

22 Nov 2015 02:39:09
Exactly what Kenny Daglish school of management thinks except he recruited a few wrong guys.

21 Nov 2015 20:52:53
One for the record.
Migs one handed save! Amazing.
Sterling was not much good which is a problem. But not for us anymore! Ha ha.

21 Nov 2015 21:47:53
Wasn't Migs save to rescue the lose ball he gave away / put our team under pressure because he can't kick?

Great performance but Migs with all the training in the world won't be in goal for us unless it's back up next season (no hate towards player - just nt good enough) .

21 Nov 2015 23:02:11
No, I think the save he's talking about was Milner's awful back pass that he should have been busting a gut to rectify it but he didn't. Which say's a lot for me about the type of player he is.

22 Nov 2015 00:52:52
OK I stand corrected (on that) ; but even kicking the ball out of his hands seems difficult to him; he's improved but he's not at the level required if we want to win / constantly challenge for the title.

22 Nov 2015 09:00:37
I did mean the Milner passback for clarity, and it was a pretty damn good save and I am seeing improvements in all our players under Klopp.

22 Nov 2015 09:59:36
I'm not saying everyone hasn't improved Bazzaa; but has he improved / can he improve enough to be in the top 3 goalkeepers in the league?

Top Goalkeepers win their team 12-15 points a season and while Migs can produce some great stops he is also likely to kick the ball to an opponent or drop the ball to gift the opposition a tap in.

There was a time yesterday with the ball in his hands he still messed up his kick with no pressure.

Also what about the save where he parried it straight to de Bruyne who crossed and Sterling somehow missed.

21 Nov 2015 19:52:29
Would like to congratulate the team. great game. Special mention
Brazilian boys: Couts, firmin, Lucas
Lallana, milner AND Skertel

It's been a good day and going to be a great week ahead.

21 Nov 2015 19:50:12
That game put a smile on my face. Not just the win, but the performance, and dear I say, pure entertainment. All the pundits saying our players simply aren't good enough. Either they are wrong, or Klopp is even better than I thought.

Can was unreal/surreal

Firmino suddenly looking like a great signing

Players look hungry, and happy (except for milner who is clearly a touch too slow. ) .

Great day.

21 Nov 2015 20:39:29
I think most agreed with you until you slated Milner. Don't think you understand exactly what he brings to the team. Can I ask you do you think that Klopp would play him if he didn't think that the role he is asked to play is not important to the make up of the team.

21 Nov 2015 20:45:37
Bit harsh on Milner he put a proper shift in. this allows others to thrive

Just a really solid and sometime spectacular performance, but we need to kick on in the next six league games or it will be wasted.

Proper proper excited at what we are seeing though.

21 Nov 2015 20:51:59
Im sorry but milners errors far outweighed the positives he brings to the team. After todays performance however from the whole team i'm willing to excuse skrtels milners lovrens errors and clynes inability in attack! Well done to everyone fully deserved! Onwards and upwards.

21 Nov 2015 21:36:50
Fair play to your opinion. let's see what happens when hendo is available. It's a squad game and all of a sudden with some focus and energy it looks twice the squad we had under BR. it's the sum of the parts not the specialisation that counts but we seem in a decent place a this time.

21 Nov 2015 19:44:34
Hi Ed001,

Just wanted your take on Simon Mignolet and whether you have seen improvement in him.

You've acknowledged improvements in Skrtel, but wanted to know your opinion on Migs.

I thought his positioning today for the Aguero goal was poor, but feel he has shown real progress under Klopp.

Thanks in advance,
Matt.

{Ed001's Note - he has defo looked better, could have done better with another save, and I still get nervous when the ball is at his feet, but he looks much more solid. His confidence has gone up massively this season and it is showing in his performances.}

21 Nov 2015 20:36:21
Cheers for the reply Ed. I think it's set up nicely for Ward to return in the summer and create some healthy competition!

Have a great weekend.
Matt.

21 Nov 2015 20:44:14
You don't know what you are talking about. No keeper on the planet would have saved that goal, and even Klopp said in his interview that Mignolet had no chance with it. Seems you are just jumping on the bandwagon of having a go at him for no apparent reason.

21 Nov 2015 20:57:18
If one had to over critical, he could have been a little further off his line, but that is being a little mean on my part. Great team effort, excellent result and I'm going to bed a happy camper!

21 Nov 2015 21:00:52
If you re-read the post, I am acknowledging the improvements in Migs game. Watch the goal again - he had Lovren and Skrtel covering his right hand side. He shuffled to his right and made it relatively simple for Aguero to slot it home.

21 Nov 2015 21:13:14
Well said Edoo1.

21 Nov 2015 21:50:29
"Relatively simple for Aguero to slot it home"
😄

If you say so.

21 Nov 2015 22:02:45
He was doing what he should have been doing and tracking he line of play, the only problem was he didn't track across to the middle quick enough and so was slightly to the right of where he should have been but even with a step or two to left and forward he wouldn't have reached the shot, it was right into the far corner.

21 Nov 2015 23:14:10
Spot on Matt, it was impossible for augero to put the ball to mingolets right, anyone in any doubt just watch it again, mingolet could have went to his left and give himself every chance of getting to it.

21 Nov 2015 19:35:26
What a great result today and superb performance now let's improve our home form. Very hard to choose a MOTM as it was a brilliant team performance.

21 Nov 2015 20:00:26
Now that my fellow reds, is death by football.

21 Nov 2015 21:09:38
Yes pal, and done with less than fifty percent possession, no aimless passing among the back four just for possessions sake. a joy to watch today.

21 Nov 2015 19:27:57
What a performance that is what being a liverpool can is all about. I can see good players looking at this team and saying I want to be part of that. Klopp has made a big difference well done lads give yourself a pay on the back.

21 Nov 2015 20:06:10
Yet many fans on here called some of these players bang average.

21 Nov 2015 19:24:13
Top drawer to a man,
Even the ref did his best to favour them and we still won 4-1,
Im praising everyone tonight even though one or two could be improved on, but as a team its working, good times.

21 Nov 2015 19:27:37
Thought can showed glimpses of wat he's capable off.

21 Nov 2015 19:29:15
Refs had an excellent game?

21 Nov 2015 19:38:11
Tj read it a few times then comment lol.

21 Nov 2015 19:52:33
Disagree with Can showing glimpses.

Was basically an Oscar winning performance.

Hope that is the first of many.

21 Nov 2015 19:22:11
If this is what klopp can do coming into a started season i can't wait to see what he can do given a presaeson some players brought through and a full season!

21 Nov 2015 20:13:30
Many on here still think Klopp has nothing to prove this year and we should wait till next season to see the real LFC. You are gravely mistaken. Klopp will try to win every game he plays and won't quit on this season so I suggest you strap on your seat belt because rock n roll footie is freaking on.

22 Nov 2015 00:24:05
Totally agree redohio he's in it to win it and i'm going full throttle with him 4-1 away to man city 3-1 away to Chelsea just wish we had still man u to play away lol.

21 Nov 2015 19:01:21
Really struggling to find anything that Milner is actually bringing to this team.

On the plus point. in general, great first half. and a fighting 2nd!

21 Nov 2015 19:26:41
You guys just won't quit. Milner made so many important interceptions today and had some creative plays too. Sure he made some mistakes but we just dominated man city and he was a part of that. This Milner bashing has gone on too long and it's embarrassing. Truly embarrassing.

Lallana was fantastic today too but I'm sure you all want to talk about how he's not good enough for the side. Every player on the pitch today was fantastic. Period.

{Ed001's Note - you need to watch it again, he was poor, embarrassing to just cover it over if you ask me. We won't perform like that every week to make up for having to carry him, so he needs to up his game and quickly. Pretending he was brilliant so you can pretend to be a superfan is pointless.}

21 Nov 2015 19:29:44
Oh come on mate. Leave Milner to klopp. 😀 You enjoy the show! 👍👍.

21 Nov 2015 19:34:06
I'm not pretending to be a super fan. This whole page has bashed Milner to oblivion and are continuing to bash him even after he put in a good performance today. every player on the pitch has received stupid criticism from this page and it's ridiculous. There's a reason that Klopp has Milner on the pitch, as captain, and I'm certain he knows more about the game than anyone on this page.

{Ed001's Note - he didn't put in a good performance, that is why he is getting stick.}

21 Nov 2015 19:36:58
Ed1, Sometimes you come across as having a vendetta. Milner wasn't one of our best performers tonight but he played a full part in a magnificent victory. Well done to all 14 players tonight, what a performance.

{Ed001's Note - vendetta? Grow up.}

21 Nov 2015 20:20:04
Milner was true to himself. He's still a passenger and if many think Klopp tolerates passengers the way BR did, they are in for a real shock.

21 Nov 2015 21:40:27
Milner was no passenger today, and I agree, some of the Milner bashing is pathetic. More appreciation of what he brings to the team wouldn't go amiss - or do the knockers know more than Klopp about football? And neither would some dignity from those who should know better.

{Ed001's Note - so what does he bring then? This defending by just bashing others is far more pathetic. Why do you get all defensive and nasty without actually making any kind of counter argument? Try explaining what he actually does, other than run around a lot, because that is not worth 165k a week. Gosling covers the most distance in the Prem, George Boyd did so last season, neither are good enough to play for Liverpool either.}

21 Nov 2015 21:50:50
Makes tackles, blocks, passes, links play, brings in the wing backs, sets up chances, takes the odd shot, and oh, defends when he has to. Not that much hey?

22 Nov 2015 09:41:04
I think you need to give him time Eds to be honest. By that I do not mean a year but this argument that someone plays in premiership so shouldn't need time to adjust is wrong imo.

The one thing I believe he has always been great at is not being greedy knowing when to pass to someone in a better position or with more skill to do something like score a goal or run past two players. I actually think he has a good football intelligence but our right that he hasn't done too much great since being here.

{Ed001's Note - the thing is, I am not on his case because I think he is crap, what I am saying is that he is better than he is showing. Some of his work is lazy, which is what annoys me. I don't mind mistakes being made, Skrtel, for instance, made a poor header which led to the goal, but I can forgive that as it was just a mistake. Milner's mistakes have been down to laziness. Lazy backpasses, lazy attempts to make a challenge etc. That is unforgivable, especially when the player's main quality is his workrate and effort.}

22 Nov 2015 14:00:34
I didn't call him, or slag him off, I simply said I struggle to see what he's bringing to the team. a seasoned, experienced premier league player (especially one earning the amount he does) should be offering more than late challenges and running around a lot. with a few players coming back from injury and hopefully one or two of the younger players coming though, I hope he'll find his chances limited. and to be fair, I thought it was a decent signing when he first came, though i didn't realise the wage he was getting.

I think Hendo, Can and Lucas will be first choice mid three, and i'd rather the likes of Rossiter and Chirivella, and Teixeira get more chances to develop their game and experience.

21 Nov 2015 18:33:19
Ok now I know what ed1 means when he says BR doesn't know tactics.

Klopp's 1st half tactics spot on.

Timing of press is wonderful to watch .

21 Nov 2015 19:28:45
Commentator nailed it when he said, "with due respect to Rodgers would his tactics of done this today"

21 Nov 2015 18:23:46
Best attacking half I've seen in recent memory. Still nervous, but the press, the passing, the counters brilliant!

21 Nov 2015 18:19:03
One of the best halves of football I've seen, partially undone by one mental lapse. Still, think bringing Benteke on soon, maybe the hour mark, is a must for an outlet. City will pile the pressure on and will be vulnerable.

Please Lucas don't get a red card.

Come on you reds!

21 Nov 2015 18:08:12
So, it appears strikers are over-rated :)

21 Nov 2015 18:32:19
Aguero wouldn't agree.

21 Nov 2015 20:27:39
If they can't hit a barn door nor contribute assists then yes, they are.

21 Nov 2015 17:09:17
Get well soon Graeme Souness

LFC legend. YNWA.

21 Nov 2015 12:44:01
Anyone else hear that Benteke and Sturridge both out for today?

Hope this is just nonsense, but when it comes to injury news it always seems to be true. Perhaps we aren't giving our players the proper vitamins?

21 Nov 2015 14:23:09
Sick to ****ing death of this if true : (

21 Nov 2015 14:27:11
I've heard that last night.
Not sure if it's anything to do with injury, more tactics.
Remind me, how'd that work out against Chelsea?

21 Nov 2015 16:40:28
Both on the bench.

21 Nov 2015 09:33:26
Not that we changed a lot under Rodgers but why do I see us going back to the Liverpool that always do well against the top teams but can't put away the so called smaller teams.

I have no worries today, we will do them!

Its the games against west brom etc that I fear now!

21 Nov 2015 10:28:16
The guys in the job 6 weeks and a whole raft of injuries . In sure it's a case of game by game no natter who it is .

21 Nov 2015 10:43:29
Let's see us getting points from city today before we think of ourselves as giant killers. We are 10th in the league and didn't beat any of the teams above us. One good win against a weak Chelsea, nice as it is, is far from us doing great againt the top teams. At the moment we look avarage against most teams. Let's hope Klopp will fix it.

21 Nov 2015 15:16:54
I meant more the prematch aswel fanny.

I am not nervous at all.

That feeling we had under rafa. No worries of getting a tknking or playing like were a relegation team against the top boys.

Whereas I get nervous against the so called smaller teams.

I'm talking klippertys rein, not brendans.