Liverpool Banter Archive September 21 2010

 

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21 Sep 2010 23:47:56

{Editor's Note: The business is up for sale, and there appears to be little luck in selling at this time. Hicks is looking to refinance to buy more time.}

Ed i think IF Hicks attempts to refinance fail we might actually have more bidders than expected at the start of the sale process mate.

What do you know or think will happen?

Thanks Macca for trying to keep our hope's up mate but you have to admit IF Hicks get's the refinancing then we are f*cked but there seems to be a sense of realism about your posts or i'm probably just wishful thinking again.

(A depressed) Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - I don't believe there to be anyone out there willing to loan Hicks the money to refinance.}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 23:35:03
Hicks' son is a a f. . . ing piece of s. .t. How dares he to go anywhere LFC - rotten american garbage!
RHI

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 23:06:14

Hicks will try to refinance right up to October 6th and he will try more banks everytime he is turned down.

What we have to hope is that the banks see and know what kind of fraudster he is. This will be close as we know that some banks will practically give to anyone just for the interest payments.

What could happen IF Hicks gets the refinancing and the 2 year exstension then he could try and refinance when the 2 years is up and try and get the new t.v/ streaming money which i think kicks in 2013 which he's probably wanted all along.

In short IF Hicks gets the refinancing then we are f*cked just my opinion.

Blair Mayne YNWA

Totally agree mate.

Still confident he won't get it.

All will be fine.

Keep supporting the lads showing the world we are the best fans . .

Macca

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 22:55:38

Hi ed,
do you have any info regarding
the board are going overseas
to meet a potential owner?
cause now see hicks trying to
hold his place and the board looking
to see a new owner seems it, s going
to start an unknown saga.
what do you know ed?
thanks worried malta

{Editor's Note: The business is up for sale, and there appears to be little luck in selling at this time. Hicks is looking to refinance to buy more time.}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 22:51:52
Just wondering, if Hicks would of had a easier time of it if he didn't let Emiliano Insua, Javier Mascherano and Aquilani leave the club and brought in a higher profile manager.

The results on the pich may of allowed him to refinance without all this backlash from the fans

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 22:32:26

The good news is deadline day of refinancing is coming closer and it looks like the bank are giving them muppets a no show, they can't sell any players as window is closed to pay off debt so it looks to me like they are not going to get their 800 mill they were hoping for(clowns), hope they leave with empty pockets and egg on their face, i also think that no other bank woulg give them money as they can't pay back what they already owe to other banks(clowns), my personal opinion is some wealthy billionaire is waiting on the sidelines to make a killing on them american fools. .

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 22:27:51

Hicks will try to refinance right up to October 6th and he will try more banks everytime he is turned down.

What we have to hope is that the banks see and know what kind of fraudster he is. This will be close as we know that some banks will practically give to anyone just for the interest payments.

What could happen IF Hicks gets the refinancing and the 2 year exstension then he could try and refinance when the 2 years is up and try and get the new t.v/ streaming money which i think kicks in 2013 which he's probably wanted all along.

In short IF Hicks gets the refinancing then we are f*cked just my opinion.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. We probably won't be in the premier league in 2013 IF what i said comes true.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 22:05:19

Jamie.dimon@jpmchase.com; charlie.scharf@chase.com; gordon.smith@chase.com; marc.x.sheinbaum@jpmchase.com; david.b.lowman@jpmchase.com

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Dear Sirs,

If your company agrees a £280million refinancing deal with Tom Hicks to retain his share in Liverpool Football Club, then the only return that you will see on your investment is bad publicity and a severe backlash from Liverpool supporters worldwide.

As you are aware, Hicks is trying to refinance his debt to the Royal Bank of Scotland before October 6th so that he can continue his disastrous ownership of Liverpool Football Club.

You are facing an energized, well-informed mass of Liverpool fans from around the world. We are tapped into a constant stream of information on the ownership situation. Every day, dozens of web forums buzz with the latest news. Protest marches, newspaper ads, boycotts and billboards are organized. Every move Hicks makes is scrutinized. And every associate of his is warned.

Refinancing is our nightmare scenario. Anybody who helps Tom Hicks refinance will become our primary target. Just ask the Blackstone Group / GSO Capital Partners who received approximately 7,000 emails in the space of a few days from disgruntled Liverpool fans following refinancing talks with Hicks. They soon saw sense and ended negotiations with Hicks after Liverpool supporters bombarded them with emails and phone calls.

The Sun Newspaper is another organisation who have felt the wrath of Liverpool fans following their disgraceful coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster in 1989. The boycott of the newspaper by Liverpool fans is said to have cost News International an estimated £10 million a year.

If you join Tom Hicks in raping and pillaging Liverpool Football Club, then you will be making a very powerful enemy.

You have been warned.Yours faithfully,

()()

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 21:49:26

ErinNYC75 follow this person on twitter got the pics.
hubby spotted slimebag outside bank and entering with his son

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 20:43:51

Warning this is not an anti-benitez.
but i thought hogsons post match interview was a refreshing change, last year benitez would have complained about how much 'taggart' was in the 4th official's ear, and anything else he could moaned about. now i do think hogson pre match interview was abit soft, would of liked to see abit of passion in his voice. but that's just the way he is, no 1 can deny he is 1 of the nicest men in football, and we should give him our complete support, and all the team for that matter.
also the utrecht game is on ITV4 so i can watch it live.
come on the reds. YNWA

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 20:40:55

The KopTalk website is well-known amongst Liverpool supporters for its financial exploitation of the Hillsborough disaster, for selling badly-faked and extortionately-priced signed Liverpool memorabilia and even for ticket touting. It is also notorious for making up stories about the club and its players – often potentially damaging – and in many cases demanding payment before allowing access to the stories.

For these reasons the site was 'banned' from the NewsNow network some years ago and is not considered a reliable source by any stretch of the imagination.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 20:18:52

The guy on Koptalk appears to have gone nuts and is making open threats against bankers/ americans. . . . . . this guy needs to calm the f==k down the last thing we need is a gang of baseball weilding maniacs running round the place

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 20:01:31
"""Today was the last time iI visited Koptalk website. This idiot openly calls for militant action with crowbars and SAS masks. . Surely it's the way to bring bad reputation on all LFC fans. Not that I am against any means top oust the Yanks, but such things should be done without advertising in the media. What an idiot. ."

This is exactly what I have been trying to warn against. It was worrying last night to see a respected member of this small community supporting the actions of two children who had started a fire at an RBS branch as a result of instructions given, so I am told, on the Koptalk website. It is astonishing that it comes to this. I wonder if the fans would be that interested in what the owners are doing if the club were performing well.

These sorts of actions will do nothing but harm the reputation of the club and the fans themselves. Consequently, the club could easily end up under the current ownership for longer as it becomes less attractive to buyers. Sadly the fans are unable to see the consequences of their actions.

Sharkey."

Again, I'll repeat myself - if only it was done by some career gangsters who support lfc, quietly, without attaching anything to the club - no problem with that - everyone helps in their own way and even so called criminals can put their street wisdom to good use, - but to encourage kids and plus associate it with LFC is plain stupid. Somebody needs to punch the editor of koptalk in the nose.
RHI {ed's note - it would be better if no one does it at all. We don't need idiots doing stupid things like that.}"

You are probably right Ed. It's just this anger consuming me. .
RHI

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 19:47:24

""Today was the last time iI visited Koptalk website. This idiot openly calls for militant action with crowbars and SAS masks. . Surely it's the way to bring bad reputation on all LFC fans. Not that I am against any means top oust the Yanks, but such things should be done without advertising in the media. What an idiot. ."

This is exactly what I have been trying to warn against. It was worrying last night to see a respected member of this small community supporting the actions of two children who had started a fire at an RBS branch as a result of instructions given, so I am told, on the Koptalk website. It is astonishing that it comes to this. I wonder if the fans would be that interested in what the owners are doing if the club were performing well.

These sorts of actions will do nothing but harm the reputation of the club and the fans themselves. Consequently, the club could easily end up under the current ownership for longer as it becomes less attractive to buyers. Sadly the fans are unable to see the consequences of their actions.

Sharkey."

Again, I'll repeat myself - if only it was done by some career gangsters who support lfc, quietly, without attaching anything to the club - no problem with that - everyone helps in their own way and even so called criminals can put their street wisdom to good use, - but to encourage kids and plus associate it with LFC is plain stupid. Somebody needs to punch the editor of koptalk in the nose.
RHI {ed's note - it would be better if no one does it at all. We don't need idiots doing stupid things like that.}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 19:43:51

Wonder what Hicks' next move will be, the fat lady isn't singing yet, but she's gargling with mouth wash and sorting out her music. . . .

Loads of people worried he might still get finance, but look at it this way, If you had the money to lend him would you seriously consider it knowing what you knew about the bloke, even if you just went by the press then you'd run away screaming.

Any would be financier would look very deeply into Hicks' background and I can believe that they would find one ounce of a reason to lend him the money, even if they offered very high interest, what is 20% interest of NIL. . .

What do you think Ed?

Sooty {ed's note - it hasn't helped his case that he has made it clear that he wants out of owning sports franchises. It makes him even more of a risk.}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 19:36:47

"Comrades!

Whilst I agree with 21 Sep 2010 @15:40:01 "Branson won't invest, purely because investing in a football club is not a sounds business investment, there is no return on it, so whoever said that is wrong.". I personally only agree to a point. For starters the shirts would be advertising his brand name as soon as he could change the sponsorship deal. The in-ground catering in any new stadium would almost certainly be tied to Virgin Cola, his record shops would carry Liverpool merchandise and he would probably offer season ticket holders discounted rail and air fares. Then there's the biggy - every Liverpool game live on pay-per-view but only to Virgin Cable subscribers or Virgin Broadband subscribers. Even live commentary on Virgin Radio would enable them to charge advertisers more because of the increase in listeners to the radio station. The club without it's debts runs at a quite healthy profit. The club in a bigger ground would generate even more. Then cross-selling between other Virgin brands along with the advertising?

Quite a sensible proposal actually.

But I don't believe it would happen.

RED LENIN"

I always enjoy reading your posts, Red Lenin. You always have something to say even if you don't, - unlike other posters.
I always have this feeling that you know more than you you tell us.
RHI

 

 

21 Sep 2010 19:33:28

Regarding Sep 2010 @15:40:01 and Red Lenin's response:

>"Branson won't invest, purely because investing
>in a football club is not a sounds business
>investment, there is no return on it, so whoever
>said that is wrong.". I personally only agree to a
>point. For starters the shirts would be advertising
>his brand name as soon as he could change the
>sponsorship deal. The in-ground catering in any
>new stadium would almost certainly be tied to
>Virgin Cola, his record shops would carry Liverpool
>merchandise and he would probably offer season
>ticket holders discounted rail and air fares. Then
>there's the biggy - every Liverpool game live on
>pay-per-view but only to Virgin Cable subscribers
>or Virgin Broadband subscribers. Even live
>commentary on Virgin Radio would enable them to
>charge advertisers more because of the increase in
>listeners to the radio station. The club without it's
>debts runs at a quite healthy profit. The club in a
>bigger ground would generate even more. Then
>cross-selling between other Virgin brands along
>with the advertising?

Aside from Branson having no interest in buying Liverpool, you need to do some research in to which parts of the Virgin empire remain in his ownership - the record stores being a prime example.

And whilst you are fundamentally correct about additional revenue being generated by a new, larger stadium, it also needs to be offset against paying perhaps £300M or more for it.

Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 19:16:47

21 Sep 2010 19:01:56

Comrades!

Whilst I agree with 21 Sep 2010 @15:40:01 "Branson won't invest, purely because investing in a football club is not a sounds business investment, there is no return on it, so whoever said that is wrong.". I personally only agree to a point. For starters the shirts would be advertising his brand name as soon as he could change the sponsorship deal. The in-ground catering in any new stadium would almost certainly be tied to Virgin Cola, his record shops would carry Liverpool merchandise and he would probably offer season ticket holders discounted rail and air fares. Then there's the biggy - every Liverpool game live on pay-per-view but only to Virgin Cable subscribers or Virgin Broadband subscribers. Even live commentary on Virgin Radio would enable them to charge advertisers more because of the increase in listeners to the radio station. The club without it's debts runs at a quite healthy profit. The club in a bigger ground would generate even more. Then cross-selling between other Virgin brands along with the advertising?

Quite a sensible proposal actually.

But I don't believe it would happen.

RED LENIN

I DON'T THINK HE HAS HIS RECORD SHOPS OR RADIO STATION ANYMORE. SOLD OUT. HIS MAIN INTEREST IS VIRGIN ATLANTIC AND OTHER OFF SHOOTS OF THIS, SOME SPORTS FRANCHISES (F1 AND RUGBY LEAGUE) AND VIRGIN MEDIA (not sure how big his sharehoding is in this). I THINK VIRGIN COLA MAY BE OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE TOO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 19:10:34

We should target RBS now.

To: stephen.hester@rbs.co.ukThis e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it


Chief Executive Officer
The Royal Bank of Scotland Group
Dear Mr Hester,

As the deadline for repayment to your bank of loans made in respect of Liverpool FC fast approaches, I would like to make crystal clear the position of Liverpool fans:

1. The current owners of the shares have sent the club into a continuous crisis since early 2007. Virtually all of the promises they have made have been broken in relation to a new stadium, player investment and, more recently, over the sale of the club.

2. It should be clear to you and your colleagues by now that Liverpool fans consider Tom Hicks and George Gillett to have been utterly irresponsible custodians of a world-famous football club, a club that is also a hugely important part of the Liverpool community.

3. While you are responsible to your shareholders and to all of us as taxpayers, we believe that if you facilitate a refinancing of the Hicks and Gillett position you will be consigning the club to years of mediocrity as players will leave, investment will totally dry up and the owners will milk the business to fund their personal lifestyles. In short, we believe this would be an immoral act.

4. We understand that among the options available to RBS would be to take control of the club itself or even place the club into administration. While neither option appeals to fans, nor very likely your bank, such options are preferable to refinancing Hicks and Gillett and, in my view, would be more likely to lead eventually to new, well-financed, responsible, long-term owners.

5. I understand that the club is financially constrained. I equally understand why potential investors either refuse to deal with Hicks and Gillett or pay them an equity return when there is no equity value there any more.

I believe, therefore, that the main responsibility for removing these figures from our club rests on your shoulders and I urge you not to shirk that responsibility.

In my view, the future of this revered institution rests in your hands.

Yours faithfully,

A Liverpool fan

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 18:59:05
Today was the last time iI visited Koptalk website. This idiot openly calls for militant action with crowbars and SAS masks. . Surely it's the way to bring bad reputation on all LFC fans. Not that I am against any means top oust the Yanks, but such things should be done without advertising in the media. What an idiot. .

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 18:48:41

Jones Kelly Greek Agger Wilson Spearing Lucas Pacheco amoo ngog Babel

 

 

21 Sep 2010 18:37:36

What's with everyone saying what the team for tonight should be?

WE PLAY TOMORROW! ! !

Call yourselves true supporters? You could at least do some research to find out when we actually ARE playing! !

 

 

21 Sep 2010 18:17:49

A few posts of peoples squads for tonights match. .
Wont that make them too tired for tomoro's Carling Cup game against Northampton?

Ste-T-4eva

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 18:08:38
Renia
Wilson Skrtel Agger Kelly
Glen Jonhson Shelvey Spearing Ryan Babel
N'Gog Pacheco

I like to see G-johnson tonight in midfield.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:51:23

Liverpool Team For Tonight:

1 Jones

32 Darby
16 Kyrgiakos
5 Agger
22 Wilson

46 Amoo
33 Shelvey
26 Spearing
19 Babel

24 N'Gog
12 Pacheco

Bench:
43 Bouzanis
49 Robinson
34 Kelly
36 Irwin
38 Suso
39 Eccleston
37 Bouwer

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:49:20

21 Sep 2010 15:43:38
Guys, all this stuff about Branson is total carp.
I was involved with a company that helped him launch virgin into Australia and have a friend who owns a major record store in oz and UK that Branson was involved in.
He is the best marketer in the world and will milk the situation for the benefit of the Virgin brand but he will not, repeat not put any of his cash in.
Ask anyone who has been involved with him he is all talk, the money is always provided by other partys.

I AGREE. MAYBE BRANSON MAY BE INTERESTED IN SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL DEAL. SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE NEW STADIUM OR EVEN THE PRESENT ANFIELD STADIUM PERHAPS.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:42:41

21 Sep 2010 17:15:52

I work for Liverpool City Council. If work does not start on stadium before September 2011 LFC need to submit a new planning application. At that point Everton could also submit plans

DO ONE - EVERTON SADDO! !

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:33:29

Liverpool fans - Too much Branson pickle doesn't make you 'SLIM'.

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:30:22
Liverpool find it hard to beat teams like arsenal, brimingham and man utd away from home.

If Hodgson had done his homework on international break. Then he would of put out a team that could get a win against Birmingham. He would of forced torres to stay at home, he would asked Garrard to give up international football.

He would of worked harder on set pieces, but he let the team leave and then got them got them together a day or two before the birmingham game. It wasnt great

If Hodgson doesn't have the time to change the teams style of play and formation. If he doesn't have the right players here to play 4-4-2.

Then why fight it, go back to benitez;s tactics + style of play for this season and look to change things next season.

Sven-Göran Eriksson would of gone a better job at drilling them in formations + set play. Plus he would also use the youth setup. People never give Eriksson the credit he deserves.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:17:07
Team for Northampton match

Jones

Mvinga ( is Aurelio fit or on the injury list?)
Agger
Wilson
Kelly

Shelvey
Lucas
Spearing

Babel
Pacheco
Ngog

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:08:08
Just found out why the board have gone abroad, something to do with a bag of magic beans!

 

 

21 Sep 2010 17:03:38

Hello ed is it right that are lfc top brass are oversea"s with new buyers making(FAIR) offers, , , , , , NOW THIS IS COZ HICKS CANT GET THE LOAN I TAKE IT whot is the latest u can give us (eds) everyday more deadend goss from EVERYWHERE under the sun . . THEN at work today THE BOYS saying that new buyers are found but i am not in the know SOS. . . .LFC FOREVER JAY ESSEX RED FOR LIFE PS GREAT SITE ED THIS WALK ON WALK ON

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 16:53:35

My pal says the player sale is just a firts installment payment to whoever loans the money, its like a pre-contract agreement, adown payment deferred till jan, his told me this is a last ditch effort, its his last option.

 

 

21 Sep 2010 16:35:52

Absolutely ed! Thats exactly what I tried to convey in my first post but you got the right points in. Johnson has been my most hated player. Carra is good but as you say the time has come. Agger is my first choice. And I was really impressed with the performances of soto in feb until he got red carded and missed key clashes against city when he was in top form. Am surprised he s not been used more. And we have kelly who I think is as good as carra in his peak. Roy has jus said that no one would have realised how good jay spearing was had he not played in the europa league game. If that is so then why not play kelly, pacheco, and amoo. But again. I trust roy. The man has got plans and he is executing it as planned.
MY PLAN FOR BLACKPOOL- unleash players who have got pace. Babel, pacheco, torres, ngog-all four in the same side may be. Gerrard in the hole. Pacheco in the right flank. Babel in his usual left wing but give freedom to roam in the striker role, torres and ngog up front. meireles or poulsen -centre midfield.
Konch, agger, carra, kelly completing the back four. Somethin like a 4-1-3-2. I suggested this line up cos of the lack of pace in the blackpool backline and even midfield. They ve got old players. Heard steve mcmahon say that chelsea should have thrashed them 8-0 as champion teams do that. Why not we go on the attack and make a point to the rest! Whats your take ed?

Breathtaking PHOENIX

Red for life!

 

 

21 Sep 2010 16:21:49

This is doing my head in - we will need a miracle worker to get our reputation and our trophies back if we don't stat winning in teh prem.

theres only one out there at the moment and that's Morinho - trouble is he needs to have a really crap season at RM before he gets the sack and becomes available.
Until then we are stuck with Roy and his conservative game plans
I'd settle for Neil Warnock if we won matches.

Also need to get rid of Sammy Lee - what does he bring. Can anyone tell me please? useless
Carra - sorry mate its over for you. Thx
JOhnson, learn to defend or move over for kelly
Agger - shut it - don't squeal to the press, its not the Liverpool way of doing things. just get on with it
Maxi - who are you, in fact what are you
Lucas - thank your fairy godmother that you ever played for us, you don't deserve the shirt
babel - get yer coat, nuff said
Ngog - sorry lad, not good enough at this level in te prem, thx fo trying
Pacheco - hang in there son, you time will come soon
Jova - you might have something - go for it
Konch - you have less than a season to up your game or be shipped back to averageland
Cole - play 20 yards further up the pitch, you are useless in our on half
& Roy - your body language on the bench says it all, sit up straight and look positive and hopeful, no point looking at your shoes, whats that all about. You need to win games now, don't go for not loosing.


Maybe Dalglish will step in some time soon.
Roy has 3-5 league games before he gets the chop. All winnable games, if we don't win them, he should walk. We are not that far behind top four now , but if Roy screws up in the next 3-5 games, the season is done

RANT OVER

 

 

21 Sep 2010 16:11:36

To my other frend danke(donkey),
actualy im not 'a closet liverpool fan' like u said.n honestly i don't give a damn bout what happen to ur club.the reason i like to come to ur site is coz it was the most happening site.its realy fun to see so-called fan blaming every1 else in the club except themselves(pity to RH.i think in manure game, if he decided to attack when the score was 2-2 n manure got 3rd goal in counter attack, some of u will comdemn him n said he was stupid for not trying to defence a point that already in his pocket).
accualy i juz stumbles with this side last week n my 1st post r juz a few days ago(ask ed if u don't believe).i realy think it was a nice site n since few days ago, 1of my actvty b4 having brkfst with my mrs r checking on this site(well done to all ed).to be honest, our side not fun as ur as we don't have this much probs to talk about.mybe u(danke) don't believe it but actualy i prefer to have ur club in top4 rather than man s* tty n our damn neighbour spuds.

Mr.E


To E,
Well in that case i apologise (a tiny tiny bit),
And danke is thanks in German not a name.
I think you've gotta understand you've come on here all smug with yourself just recently making sh*ty comments towards our team / club who we love & that's not on! I'm all for constructive criticism but you won't find me on your team's page slagging you lot off. But what goes around comes around.
One day, maybe in a few years when your team / club are in turmoil you'll see how it effects your attitude. Remember you slagged us first cause i'll come on your teams page & i promise you (on my life) you will feel like you can't get much lower so either stop the over the top smugness or get off the page please. Say something constructive for once not talk bol* cks!
We need to get cra* like this off here as all it'll do is cause arguments especially when tensions are running so high now.
And that gets us nowhere.
Only wastes our time & effort.
Danke (Thanks)

 

 

21 Sep 2010 16:06:34

"{ed's note-you are doing the exact same thing as you are accusing people of. "}

I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem explaining that statement relative to yourself.

". .you are doing it with a blinkered viewpoint and no knowledge of what is going behind the scenes. "
-The first 8 parts of the above statement is your opinion which, albeit being entitled to, you fail to substantiate.So I cannot critically entertain it as there's nothing to entertain.I was taught better.If he says to you:"your way's not the way", ask him, "why and which is the way then?".If he fails to answer, tell him his opinios's as useless as tits in a bull.
As for me having no "knowledge of what is going behind the scenes", you're right, actually.I don't. .and judging from your comments, seems like you yourself don't know anymore than I do about the ins and outs at LFC.

". .Now players fear for their future, they don't even know if they will have a club to play for right now. ."
-Which players are those?What evidence do you have to support this?Please, give them to me.

"To compare our situation with the Chelsea Hiddink took over is ludicrous and nonsensical.You should be comparing our situation with what happened at Portsmouth not Chelsea and Spurs.}"

-Sir, you accuse me of being blinkered yet you go and write the above?You say I should do this and not that, because "that" is "ludicrous" and "nonsensical". .and yet again, you fail miserably to argue why.How's my comparison "ludicrous" and yours (Portsmouth) more appropriate?

Overall, you've failed horribly to address and counter-argue (if needs be) my points/ concerns about Hodgson:team selections, formations, tactics, timing of subs, mentality, negative attitudes, manager being happy with draws etc.I raised and argued my points.
All you had to do was respond to them in as critical, substantial and intelligently as possible.

Instead, you chose to engage in a long rambling, vague speech.You stated your opinions which you failed to support;made claims which you didn't back up.You chose to attack me instead of the issue (and did badly at that too).I raised my points and argued them, and I'm asking you to do the same. .if you can't, don't respond to my posts again. it's that simple.
It's about time intelligent, informative debate prevailed.This place isn't exactly known for its reliability, but surely we wouldn't want to be known as bozos who couldn't make a case for themselves as to why they shouldn't be fed raw, or worse still, rotten, potatoes.

Best wishes?

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 16:01:02
No Money.
No Takeover.
No Hope.
Liverpool R. I.P.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 15:57:11

But ed. What do you think on my thoughts on why we find ourselves in this position ?
Take away all those bad lucks. I would say 3points from arsenal game,
3 points from birmingham(goal thro penalty)
And a draw against united .
These results would have seen us having 3+3+3+1=10 points and that's 5th position atleast.
Thats the reason why I ask one and all to support further so as to spur our men on to better performances . Start it tomorrow in the carling cup match. Ed spread this msg around through your contacts. We need to take our backing for the team to a new level regardless of the results . Breathtaking PHOENIX Red to a life!
Breathtaking {ed's note - I am not sure it is down to bad luck as much as poor performances from the defenders. Both Carragher and Skrtel had chances to stop the goals against United, both failed miserably by dropping too deep and not getting in a position to challenge for crosses. Johnson is constantly out of position compounding the problem for the centre backs, who have to drop deeper to cover for his absence due to a complete lack of any pace. It is time to change the players in my opinion.}

 

 

21 Sep 2010 15:44:13
I don't understand Aggers comment, cause roy likes to play the ball from the back,

New club new team, he may be starting slow, but im sure agger must be in the long term plans for lfc.

Blackstone Group is US arm of the Chinese investment vehicle woth billions,

That was created as a response to poor us treasuries that china had bought into and where not paying. The investment vehicle is used by china to secure its own interests for china.
They only invest in low profile targets, companies or countires that are important to chinas growth. Technologies that will help china. They have changed strategy reasonaly and started purchasing real estate,
I don't think kenny huang or Hicks will get money from them for the purchase of LFC because the media attention around the club.
CIC like to stay below the raydar because its a $300billion geopolitical weapon for china used to secured interests that benefit the chinese,

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 15:42:35

Hi guys. Here is the liverpool fan from india who has been coming to this site and reading posts daily. Great work ed. I was watching LFCTV for the past 2 hours.
The Arsenal game, man U game as well.
Arsenal game has been our best this season, followed by the man U second half. We should have won and drawn respectively but
For misfortunes, and mainly glaring defensive lapses.
The forward hasnt been fed adequately but that's not the actual prob we have got. Its the defense and our luck. .
So all we need is get in clean sheets through impressive defensive performances rather than scratching around like we did in the birmingham game.
And what I feel is though we find ourselves in 16th after the worst start to a season in 18years I think we should jus consider ourselves unlucky.
1. Sun's glare leading to reina own goal.
2. No penalty given on two occasions against birmingham,
3. John oshea not shown red card. Which would have further brought the momentum towards liverpool. And also it was he who played a part in the 3rd goal.
Points 2 and 3 wouldn't have happened to anyother club.
So right now I call on liverpool fans to back the side like never before. Bring in the european nights atmosphere vs sunderland and blackpool guys.if not better. We need to get behind stevie, torres, cole, meireles, reina like never before. And most importantly Hodgson.
Forget the board room squabbles. Am sure it is going to be solved for the better.
But don't let the team droop its shoulders. Support them. Its the fans who bring the best out of them.
Whats your thoughts ed, blair mayne, sharkey, roy, ?
Breathtaking phoenix
Red for life! {ed's note - I agree it is time to get behind the team on the pitch and sing louder than ever before.}

 

 

21 Sep 2010 15:17:41

What happens next if hicks can not get finance? are we going to end up like leeds? i am very worried i love my club and i'll still surport them through thick and thin but it is killing me and my club .
timmo lfc. . . . . . . ynwa

I would suggest it would be more worrying if he did get finance .You just have to look at his track record with the other clubs he has bankrupted to predict the likely outcome.Maybe he gains some sort of perverse pleasure from F* *IN clubs up

Either way we could go the way of Leeds. If he does get finance he is very likely to be prolonging his owenership in order to asset strip as much as possible thereby minimising his loss when he does eventually go. If he does not get finance the interest repayments due on 13th october (3 weeks hence) could send the club into administration.

We need a new buyer and we need one in the next 3 weeks.

I fear for our club. I cannot see any good promising signs either on the pitch, in the board room or in the youth we have. Very worrying.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 15:09:26

Did anyone else spot the fact that the Blackstone Group are 20% owned by the Chinese Investment Corporation (CIC). Weren't these the ones that Kenny Huang was courting. Could be that they have been stringing Hicks along till the last minute leaving him no time to set something else up. It may sound daft but I don't think we have seen the last of these fiendishly clever people. Huang was doing an awful lot of talking before he announced he was walking away but since then has been uncharacteristically quite. Not as daft as some of the rumours I have seen on here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 15:00:22
Just been told buy a friend in the city, Hicks is trying to raise the cash with a last desperate messure, my friend says 5 players will be sold in jan, and that those sales are being used as collteral for the loan, no player names yet, but the figure of the sales is about £60 million, now there is collateral my friend says some interest is being shown, heard anything about this ED.

{Editor's Note: Your friend is pulling your leg.}

 

 

21 Sep 2010 14:56:44

Ed what do you think about agger's outburst. I personally think that he is right.

{Editor's Note: I can't see what he is talking about.}

 

 

21 Sep 2010 14:55:45

Was on here last week tellin people from my work in a stable in Ireland we were informed Shekik Mohammad was in talks with the liverpool board but faced stiff competition from the middle east, well talk around here today is that Shekik is confident his offer will be successful and were told to expect some annoucement this week. I can't say anymore because I don't know how true it is. So please don't shoot the messenger!

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 14:40:41

Daniel Agger as every right to say he won't change is style of play to get in our side. I think Agger should be in the team and liverpool should play the liverpool way Passing not hoofing. we are playing too deep and that invites teams on to us. Agger right to say we should press further up the park. Roy as got the players to play pressing football but won't play them. Fact at Blackburn he lost the dressing room and was bottom at xmas.I am a season ticket holder and would rather pay to watch attacking football Attack Attack Attack. It is no point having a defender who can come out with the ball if all the attackers are parked on the half way line.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 14:26:03

Ed if reina leaves which gk would you bring in. Me thinks given, stekelenburg or akinfeev

{Editor's Note: Not really a matter I wish to contemplate.}

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 14:19:35

Well looks like agger is sick, he is quality and deserves to play, but on the other hand hogson is in a lose lose situation if he did drop carragher the kop would turn on him. but if we started winning i'm sure they would be able to see its for the greater good. i'm not saying carragher is costing us games but when big sami hyypia was here we new when his days as a starter were up.
ed does hogson have the nerve to drop carra, and do you think he should {ed's note - I think he should, but I think Carra is his type of player and he will not want to drop him.}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 14:11:57

{". .Hodgson has taken over a team extremely low on confidence at a club extremely unstable and in the midst of off field problems.The comparison.}

This argument has no legs to stand on, in fact, it's got nothing at all.
POINT NO 1:You editor has always desisted from blaming the owners/ boardroom upheavals for on-field debacles and fiascos, preferring instead to remind everyone that owners have nothing to do with team selections, tactics etc.I can recall countless of times when fans would-after a defeat or another lackadaiscal showing-write in here to express their disapproval.Your response:"And the owners are to blame for this".You've always refused to cite the off-field issues.

POINT NO 2:It is the manager's job to:make team selections;come up with tactics;decide on formations;make substitutions;recognisze and rectify problems;motivate and keep the heads of the players firmly together.No other person but Hodgson's responsible for that job.Instability, upheavals, boardroom squabbles don't determine tactics.Hodgson does.If Hodgson tells the players not to attack Manchester United, it's he who ordered, not instability and the teams uncertainty.

POINT NO 3:Low morale/ confidence isn't the problem here;it's only the result/ effect of the real problems. .and those are:lack of proper and sufficient investment in the team (H+G's fault), and the horrible tactics, team selections etc (Hodgson's remit).When we played and walloped some of the best teams in the EPL and Europe these past coupla years, we didn't exactly have a team of 5 or more top 20-30 players in the world;there was the same boardroom nonsense;little transfer dosh, but we were able to still compete cause we more often than not got it right as regards tactics and formations.But now that isn't the case.To me it would appear that the manager's ideas, tactics are boggling, frustrating and demoralizing the players.(Do you reckon that Torres, Gerrard are thrilled with having to play like Bolton, Stoke, Wolves?You think that Torres is having fun having to chase after Carra's aimlessly hoofed high balls?).The fact is:Hodgson's an oldfashioned manager, is tactically inferior and disillusioning.If you and I as fans, want to puke when watching our boys not daring to cross the halfway line, how do you think they themselves feel?Our manager's comprising these players' talents.His tactics are more demoralizing for the players than the previous manager's "cold", "aloof" approach.

POINT NO 4:When many last season cited the off-field problems in defence of the previous manager, they were ridiculed and labelled "Rafatollas", "Rafa brigade".They argued that it was the manager's job to coach, not the owners. .so the buck stops with him (Rafa).
But now, lo and behold, the manager can be excused because the club is "unstable and in the midst of off field problems".One rule for the "fat spanish waiter", and another for the "Humble, polite English gentleman".Lol!
Hodgson shall be judged by the exact same (high) standards as the previous manager.

POINT NO 5:Hiddink took over a stuttering Chelsea side from Scolari, with morale low and Drogba drained of every ounce confidence and rotting on the bench.Being the top manager that he is, he got them firing in no time, and they even won the FA cup."Need time to acclimitise"?My foot!
And what about Harry at Spurs?

POINT NO 6:Hodgson was brought in to "steady the ship" at the very least, but the early indications are that he doesn't even know how to manipulate the controls, let alone navigate the stupid thing.People say "but give him at least a year to prove himself".Well, I've seen enough in 30, yeah 30, years (of his coaching career) to conclude that he's anything but we man.

But what amuses me is hearing people making comments such as the opening statement of this post.It's amazing how people can pick and choose when the ownership issue can be used as a mitigating circumstance.You couldn't make it up, could you?lol.

Best wishes! {ed's note - you are doing the exact same thing as you are accusing people of. Except that you are doing it with a blinkered viewpoint and no knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes. The problems in the Rafa era were of his own making, he picked fights constantly and looked to play politics to strengthen his position. The fact that you think the situation is the same is wrong, as simple as that. Now the club is up for sale and there is a complete uncertainty, before it was just a case of having no money from the owners, but it was a case of making the best of what we had. Now players fear for their future, they don't even know if they will have a club to play for right now, or if they will be having to face a points deduction next month. To compare our situation with the Chelsea Hiddink took over is ludicrous and nonsensical. You should be comparing our situation with what happened at Portsmouth not Chelsea and Spurs.}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 13:39:51

Liverpool need to sign 2 proper wingers coz what we have now are only good enough for squad players at best. I would go all out for ashley young and maybe wright phillips or lennon

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 13:35:52
I do not believe any of this Branson takeover stories being posted, I do think if he was going to do anything he would prefer to buy the naming rights to the stadium.

At the moment I think we are linked to every billionaire in the world who is going to come in and lash billions into our club.
I for one do not think we need 100s of millions spent on our squad. If the rite buyer comes in clears the debt, builds the stadium and the manager gets rid of the players not good enough to play for a top 4 team and invests that money in good quality players with hunger and a desire to help our club get back where we belong, along with blooding some of our great youth players through then I honestly think that this would be better for the club then having 11 £30 million plus players on stupid wages just happy to pick up a pay cheque.

This is just my opinion and am sure some of you would agree and some disagree with what I have said but I would like to see our club be steady and be self efficient rather than have a sugar daddy.

Ste-T-4eva

Totally agree with you mate. We don't need to add to our squad what so ever, just replace the ones who are deemed not good enough. Remember, we also have 3-4 players on loan which will bring in around 20m. With this and money generated from player sales such as Lucas, Maxi, Kuyt etc we can certainly bring in some exciting young talented players that will add balance to the team. (my choice -Turan, Ruiz, Bentley).

I have no worries about the team what so ever and believe we will start climbing the table starting from Sat.

As long as H&G are kept out of the club then we will be fine!

PJ The RED

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:55:22
Looking forward to having a honest guy in charge.

Sir Richard Branson

he will be good for the club

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:50:03


Well, the clubs skint, we can't buy players, we haven't got a new ground, the owners are k*ats, all the newspapers are saying were finished, so is Stan Collymore, (so it must be true), were 16th in the league. Things have never looked so bad. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I think we've given everybody a big enough head start now don't you think.

YNWA. .

We are the mighty REDS and we will be back. .

Sooty

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Stan Collymore is a bitter tw@t. .

Thanks for now:

TJ

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:40:04

I do not believe any of this Branson takeover stories being posted, I do think if he was going to do anything he would prefer to buy the naming rights to the stadium.

At the moment I think we are linked to every billionaire in the world who is going to come in and lash billions into our club.
I for one do not think we need 100s of millions spent on our squad. If the rite buyer comes in clears the debt, builds the stadium and the manager gets rid of the players not good enough to play for a top 4 team and invests that money in good quality players with hunger and a desire to help our club get back where we belong, along with blooding some of our great youth players through then I honestly think that this would be better for the club then having 11 £30 million plus players on stupid wages just happy to pick up a pay cheque.

This is just my opinion and am sure some of you would agree and some disagree with what I have said but I would like to see our club be steady and be self efficient rather than have a sugar daddy.

Ste-T-4eva

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:39:19

I think the reason we are having some poor form now is because of havin too many bald heads in the team. skrtel, konch, meireles, shelvey, spearing, ngog babel etc need to be growing ponytails like kygriakos.



exactly. . .baldys arnt hard the ones like that are a bit homo erotic. .gayboys. .on a mid february game now on a threadbare pitch from the sky blimp we look like beans on toast. .

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:37:31

Let me get this straight, you want to spend spend spend to win the carling cup.?

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:34:51
For the life of me, I haven't a clue what Agger is on about. He says that Roy wants them to play football in attack & not at the back. I can't remember the last time I have seen us pass the ball so much around the back against Man Utd & Birmingham, admittedly badly but they were still passing it & trying not to hoof it up front. So what game is Agger watching? Ok, Agger should easily be on before Skertel, but it seems a very strange time to come out & say anything, so early into a season. Are these direct quotes from Agger or has a newspaper got an interview & twisted it like they usually do?

The Irish Rover

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:32:36

I can agree that if you spend endless amounts of money you will no doubt be able to buy some quality players, like city have, and I have no doubt that if Rafa had been given all the money he wanted we would have won the league - however there is one big stumbling block - Liverpool fc don't have 100 million to spend, Hicks and Gillette don't have that kind of spending power. Also you can't just dismiss tactics and youth quality and development as without them there would be no 30 million pound players, they simply wouldn't exist. They have to come from somewhere they don't just appear out of thin air. Messi hasn't just turned up at Barca one day saying I fancy playing football can I have a go. Yes he was born with talent but someone has taught him the game, and he has been coached and developed by good coaches, one of which happens to be at Liverpool's Academy now. This is essential, not just for the future of Liverpool, but for the future of football particularly English football. If this man stays at Liverpool then think of the benefit to young English players developing right now. Yes you can buy a league but wouldn't you rather earn it. I think all Liverpool fans know we need a cash injection now to stop the rot and take the club back to the top but, I eventually want Liverpool to be self sufficient. If every club was owned by a billionaire what then – there is only so much money can buy you. City now have a problem of keeping all there stars happy (a nice problem to have I agree) but the situation now is that every future player of city will ask themselves do | want to go to city and sit on the bench. Chelsea, real Madrid, Barcelona and quite a few German sides are all wealthy enough to pay enough in wages that will more than please any player, so it will then come down to how much the player likes football, they will just want to play. I bet if you told some of citys players they signed last year that this year they will only play 50% of games they probably wouldn't of signed.

One more thing, if you are not being sarcastic can you please explain your comments below?

(If we get offered Aguero for £35m we should give £50m then he will be an even better player.) – How would paying an extra 15 million make him a better player surely you could go and spend that 15 million on another decent player.

(ps Agger needs to shut it with players like Skertl and the greek in our squad he is way down the pecking order he needs to to learn to LUMP IT) - Agger is technically our best centre back why is he behind the Greek in the pecking order?

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:25:07
21 Sep 2010 11:35:23
There are so many times that people have said that RH needs more time etc., etc. He's even said this many times himself - it's an easy cop out, and he can use this as an excuse for poor performances and worse results. Has anybody noticed where Fulham are in the league - 7th - and they haven't lost a game yet. So why doesn't Mark Hughes need more time - he's been at Fulham for less time that RH has been at Liverpool.

If the manager is good enough all the talk about 'needing more time' is really an excuse to cover for obvious shortcomings. I agree with others on this site who point out that RH sends his team out to try and avoid defeat - just as RB did so often.

Not only that but LFC are now so boring to watch.

No one is afraid of playing Liverpool anymore.

Where will it all end I wonder ?

KBL {ed's note - the difference being that Mark Hughes took over a settled club high on confidence after a good season. Hodgson has taken over a team extremely low on confidence at a club that is extremely unstable and in the midst of off field problems. The comparison is unfair.}

Ed: I can understand your coment to a certain extent, but there was a definate feel good factor at the club before the season started. A new manager, SG & FT commiting to the club, and in fact, a not bad performance against Arsenal. So confidence should have been higher that you suggest. Don't forget Fulham had just lost their manager, so you could argue that they might have been feeling a bit 'down'. {ed's note - but the players started the season coming back from the World Cup and mostly still searching for match fitness. As it became obvious that the takeover was not going to be completed by the end of the window confidence slumped again. Hughes didn't have many players at the World Cup and no off field worries to contend with.}

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:17:18

Hi just wondering what people think of carras performance on sunday looked out of his depth to me. caught out massively in a couple of instances and especially for the third goal. In my opinion if he wasnt an englishman and scouser who was brought through the youth system he would be out the door.
Has been a great servant though. It worries me that the management think hes an integral part of the team.
dcg

 

 

21 Sep 2010 12:16:05

Team against Northampton:

Jones
kelly
wilson
agger
krygiakos
amoo
lucas
spearing
jovanovic
ngog
babel

come on liverpool top 4 finish + 1 cup
come on liverpool you can do it!
YNWA

West midlander red

 

 

21 Sep 2010 11:46:42

You just can't like that hypocritical b* tard ferguson no matter how hard you try. He slated Torres, and yet Nani did the worst play-acting performance I've seen all season, trying to get a few players in the book or off. And did the blind old s* te not see Vidic traking an equally acrobatic dive trying to get a pen in the 8th minute?
Just what is he on? I mean OK, complain about someone taking dives etc, BUT NOT WHEN YOUR OWN PLAYERS DID IT WORSE, AND MORE OFTEN, in the same game! Does he not understand what hypocrisy means, or has he just got so big a chip on his shoulder that he's now blinded by it? The refs who look over these games will see his players taking clear dives and will then contrast that with his criticism of Torres in the media- he'll achieve nothing except more antagonism.
Seriously, the sooner the cantakerous old hypocrital fool is gone, the better.
And I must admit, is it only me who is starting to wonder about Roy's tactics and management of the squad?

 

 

21 Sep 2010 11:43:34
Line up for Carling Cup
I'd love to see both Babel & Jovanovich up front, they are both strikers that are played out of position (although i still think Babel should look to emulate the Ashley Young role/ style of play). I think Pacheco is our brightest prospect at the moment, he may be a striker but a make shift spell on the right wing would be interesting to see. Amoo has had an amazing start to the season and deserves a chance. Hopefully we can finally see the potential future of the Liverpool midfield (Shelvey and Spearing) paired up and see how they match up.

Jones
Kelly, Wilson, Agger, Derby
Amoo, Spearing, Shelvey, Pacheco
Jovanovic, Babel

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 11:35:23
There are so many times that people have said that RH needs more time etc., etc. He's even said this many times himself - it's an easy cop out, and he can use this as an excuse for poor performances and worse results. Has anybody noticed where Fulham are in the league - 7th - and they haven't lost a game yet. So why doesn't Mark Hughes need more time - he's been at Fulham for less time that RH has been at Liverpool.

If the manager is good enough all the talk about 'needing more time' is really an excuse to cover for obvious shortcomings. I agree with others on this site who point out that RH sends his team out to try and avoid defeat - just as RB did so often.

Not only that but LFC are now so boring to watch.

No one is afraid of playing Liverpool anymore.

Where will it all end I wonder ?

KBL {ed's note - the difference being that Mark Hughes took over a settled club high on confidence after a good season. Hodgson has taken over a team extremely low on confidence at a club that is extremely unstable and in the midst of off field problems. The comparison is unfair.}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 11:05:35
Im refering to 2 earlier posts here. 0ne is about our team not being as bad as it looks and mr. Roy's tactics. I agree 100%. We could have hammered united 5-2 if we continued playing the way we did at that stage. What is wrong wit liverpool managers like rafa and roy not realizing what a fantastic attacking team we've got eg. Glen johnson, great attacker, awful defender. So glen johnson, gerrard, torres, ngog, mereiles, cole, even lucas are all very good attacking players. Im so tired of lfc always settling for a draw! Wat the f@#§ is up with that! Ive said it at the beginning of this season that the team we have will get top 4 but not with a manager like roy im afraid. Ive seen now that he is just too scared to lose. Ferguson accused my 2nd God fernando torres of God knows what and roy didn't even back ft09 up? He didn't even mention nani? And secondly to the guy who said that ed's a fool and that agger shouldnt blah blah blah because he's not in the 1st team, 1stly i don't think alota money is needed to imrove our team. 2 wingers and a backup striker and taye taiwo, thats it for me. Or even play amoo and pacheco more. As for agger, have you ever watched soccer or pool play? By far our best creative defender. Ayala and agger should be 1st choice, not skrtel and carra, sorry to say. Well im done tripping now. Ciao.
Red bl00ded!

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:53:53

NOT BEING SARCASTIC!

We need to spend spend spend!
Why develop players from within the club ethos history etc when you can go out and buy.

We shouldnt even entertain buying a player unless their £30m plus.

Look at the crap comming up the ranks Adam Hammill? Rafa rightly got rid of that plonker. S Warnock local lad? plonker.

Tactics are bull! We over complicate the game spend £80 to £100m a year and we will succeed

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:52:20

Just a quick question.
If H&G can not come up with the money in October and control of the club goes to RBS, will the board still have a say in who buys the club and who will be best owning the club going forward? Or will RBS simply sell to the person/ persons who are willing to offer the most money?
If it is the latter then is it possible that we will be sold to someon who doesn't have the clubs best interests at heart (another H&G)?

RedLeigh9

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:51:57
To the person who posted the below:
"(ED polite as I can be YOU ARE A FOOL!

You can't get what 99% of fans are telling you.

Management and success is not about: hardwork;tactics;discipline;youth development;pride;passion;motivation and out smarting the opposition! !

Management and success in football is about spending huge sums of money!

If Rafa had have been shown some faith and been given £100m a year I believe we woulda done the Carling Cup.

We need to spend! More we spend better we will be.
If we get offered Aguero for £35m we should give £50m then he will be an even better player.

ps Agger needs to shut it with players like Skertl and the greek in our squad he is way down the pecking order he needs to to learn to LUMP IT)

Im taking the above comment as sarcasm. . I Really Hope that is the case."

(end of quote)

Just check our spending over Rafa's time - he spent comfortable £60m more than SAF - so if it is all about money - why have we not won the league title at least once under Rafa.

I agree with Ed - there is alot more too it than money, and for that reason Roy Hodgson is a solid if unspectacular appointment. The reason Man Ure are solidly in the position they are and Arsenal also is they have all the requirements in place and spend when they need too not because they have the ability too - Rafa was like a kid in a candy store and all we are left with is alot of dentist work to replace / fix all the holes he left.

YNWA - Red Paddy

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:43:54

(ED polite as I can be YOU ARE A FOOL!

You can't get what 99% of fans are telling you.

Management and success is not about: hardwork;tactics;discipline;youth development;pride;passion;motivation and out smarting the opposition! !

Management and success in football is about spending huge sums of money!

If Rafa had have been shown some faith and been given £100m a year I believe we woulda done the Carling Cup.

We need to spend! More we spend better we will be.
If we get offered Aguero for £35m we should give £50m then he will be an even better player.

ps Agger needs to shut it with players like Skertl and the greek in our squad he is way down the pecking order he needs to to learn to LUMP IT)

Im taking the above comment as sarcasm. . I Really Hope that is the case.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:38:21

REGARDING THIS COMMENT:

After seeing Glen Johnson's performances, his days as first choice right back should be numbered. In fact, Martin Kelly should start the games against Sunderland and Blackpool. He is more defensive then Johnson, which we need as Johnson's runs have left too much space for the opposition to exploit. We need Kelly to cover the right side so whoever plays in the right wing (better be Pacheco or Babel) can stay attacking. Ed, do you kind of agree with me? Other fans out there, what do you think about my thinking? {ed's note - I defo agree, Johnson has not impressed me at any time in his career to be honest. He was a terrible centre back, moved out to right back and I still think he is terrible.}

I think you are totally right get Kelly in now and drop Johnson who is really poor and not up to the job.

Barnsey

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:37:51
I think the reason we are having some poor form now is because of havin too many bald heads in the team. skrtel, konch, meireles, shelvey, spearing, ngog babel etc need to be growing ponytails like kygriakos.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:27:46

I understand where Agger's coming from.Personally, I've always believed that managers' modus operandis should be adaptable.This thing of coaches having their own (constant) "philosophies" which are at variance with what the players are used to and imposing is more or less inefficient, time consuming, demoralizing and futile.Look at LFC right now.We've got an overly cautious manager who more or less favours not losing as opposed to going out there to win.He wants his defenders not to play the ball, but hoof up field, get rid of it asap. .and because of this, arguably our best cb is on the fringes.

He doesn't want his charges to go out there to batter teams. .safety is his prime objective, even if it means settling for the minimum result.For him that's the only he knows how.And the ALARMING thing:he wants Johnson, Stevie, Agger etc to adopt the same mentality.

And me, I'm DISGUSTED!You see, this team. .this team is VERY GOOD. .we offensively a match for anyone, anywhere, anyhow, anytime.This team, I've always maintained, is MORE THAN CAPABLE of winning the Prem.I've no doubt about its ability.

The only person I've reservations about is Mr Hodgson. .his ability to intergrate and coordinate these talents;inspire them, fire them up. .that's what I doubt.It's not entirely true that a new manager always needs "some time" to "settle.So long as that gaffer knows his job, he wouldn't need close to five games to even settle on a system, especially when working with the top 20-30 players in the world.(Hiddink at Chelsea;Redknapp at Spurs, among others).
Hodgson's had well over five games with virtually all "key" members to choose from, yet he still seems unsure as to what system to settle on. .but the mentality's already being embedded:fight not to lose as opposed to win.

The fact that we haven't any performance boasting guile, skill, creativity, ruthless (a la 4-0 Madrid, 5-0 Villa) and Hodgson being more than too happy to accept a point even when a win was more than in our grasp attest to this.People keep going on about the "feel good factor".Can I please have whatever it is you're smoking?What have you seen so far to convince you that we'll even finish where we did last season?

It's all bad.The team selections, formations, tactics, timing of substitutions, the mentality. .everything.Hodgson's not we man.
Pepe, Gerrard, Fernando, Agger. .they know it;and Hogdson knows it all too well.We've downgraded.Our new man cannot, will NOT improve these guys any more than they can improve themselves.
And as much as I HATE to say it, I think these horrible displays will continue, with bad results;players will be frustrated;morale will shoot down the bottom, and confidence will drain out.It will be déjàvu all over again.

Look, lads, there's no one who wants Hodgson to succeed more than I do, but honestly, I just can't see it happening.We knew before he that he wasn't we man, and really, he's done little, if anything, to suggest otherwise.

He's not a bad manager in general, just not a top 4, 6 man.And unless he can, as I said ealier, change his methods to suit the players he has. .play them to their strengths.
If you've got 8 or more offensive-minded players, like your Madrids, Barcas, it stands to reason that a manager should structure his team, plan and implement accordingly.

This Liverpool team is a hell lot more talented than given credit for.Only problem is the manager.Hodgson has left Fulham, but Fulham hasn't got out of Hodgson.The performances we've seen are the sample of what's to come.We'll think like midtable, play like midtable, act like midtable. .although we are NOT, I REPEAT, WE ARE NOT MIDTABLE.

Best Wishes!

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 10:18:32

ED polite as I can be YOU ARE A FOOL!

You can't get what 99% of fans are telling you.

Management and success is not about: hardwork;tactics;discipline;youth development;pride;passion;motivation and out smarting the opposition! !

Management and success in football is about spending huge sums of money!

If Rafa had have been shown some faith and been given £100m a year I believe we woulda done the Carling Cup.

We need to spend! More we spend better we will be.
If we get offered Aguero for £35m we should give £50m then he will be an even better player.

ps Agger needs to shut it with players like Skertl and the greek in our squad he is way down the pecking order he needs to to learn to LUMP IT

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 09:42:52

{Editor's Note: The problem is what happens next - if Hicks gets finance the club stays on the market and will be sold.}

Dear Editor, I respectfully disagree with you. If Hicks gets finance, he will have two more years to wait for his ridiculous asking price to be met (which it won't). Our star players will be gone and the value of the club will diminish further.

If RBS takeover there will be numerous bids for the club.

Also, to the editor that said the owners gave rafa money, they gave him 20m per year for the first four years where there was slow but steady improvement. In rafa's fifth and sixth years he spent ZERO both summers and in ROy's first year we spent -8m.

So, in seven years we've spent an average of 72m or just over 10M a year. Not too bad, but we'd have to wait 3 years to buy one Berbatov without selling players. {ed's note - you seem to be forgetting that Hicks has no intention of keeping hold of the club, he wants out of sports 'franchises'. This is one of the problems he has with refinancing - difficult to get someone to loan you money towards something you are trying to get rid of. There is the worry he will asset strip the club, then default on payments, well the banks worry about that too. The club being their collateral on the loan, they don't want to get stuck with a club with no value if/when Hicks defaults on the loans. Oh and Rafa had plenty of money, with no real improvement, the team only once in his time ever challenged for the title. £20m plus player sales is more than enough to build a decent team, but Rafa was obsessed with buying 7 or 8 players a season so that there would be cover for every position. Otherwise he might have had to give youngsters a run of games, and he wasn't going to do that was he?}

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 09:06:32

21 Sep 2010 07:09:10

Sorry but cannot believe the Branson story. He hardly ever puts lots of cash into his businesses. .he thinks the virgin brand name is enough and gets others to put p the dosh. Exactly what he did last time in F1. . . .try reading his autobiography to get a feel for the man. He is egotistical and I agree we would end up in a pickle if we become Virgin FC.


ITS ALL ABOUT EXPOSURE OF THE VIRGIN BRAND WITH BRANSON, HE DOES NOT SPEND MUCH OF HIS OWN MONEY.

 

 

21 Sep 2010 09:04:06

20 Sep 2010 19:30:37

Not a rumor but a question. . .who listens to Talk Sport .
it was once run by Kelvin MacKenzie and we all know what paper he was the editor of. .I thing if this bast*rd employs you somewhere in the contract will be . You must have a dislike of all things Liverpool FC and all things about Liverpool the city. .and no i'm not paranoid

Deano95

Thank god he has nothing to do with Talksport. He was ousted atleast five years ago. It is now owned by Ulster TV. Hence it is more 'middle of the road'.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 08:56:59

20 Sep 2010 19:03:28

20 Sep 2010 18:52:14

20 Sep 2010 18:26:54

20 Sep 2010 16:46:49

I really believe that LFC have a preferred bidder, due diligence has been completed and the deal to be rubber stamped. The only sticking point has been Hicks and Gillett (more so hicks) who has been desperate not to accept the bid (which gives them no profit and just clears the debt).

Broughton, Purslow and Ayre know actually what is happening and can't say anything until the deal is signed. They are confident of LFC's position and won't talk to the media until legally allowed to do so.

Hicks is backed into a corner and is running around trying to find a creditor. He is probably on Ebay selling stuff on that as well. Once the RBS date arrives in October LFC will turn to Hicks and say 'show us the money' he won't have it and he will be removed.

Some people have had a go at Macca. He is sticking to his guns and sending the same message. I believe him.

In the meantime if your going the match v Sunderland join in on the 'sit in' protest


LIVERPOOL FANS, PREPARE TO BE VERY SURPRISED AS TO WHO THE PREFFERED BIDDER IS.

Go on surprise us! It's not David Moores is it?

Blair Mayne YNWA

Was Moores the problem? Parry should take most of the blame as well as LFC financial advisors. {ed's note - Moores was far more at fault than Parry.}

Moores being involved? Slim chance i think.

 

 

21 Sep 2010 08:53:13

Alan Myers of SSN is just as bad as Tony Evans of The Times - An annoying numpty.

 

 

21 Sep 2010 07:53:11

Just a quick one the club is going to be taken over by RBS and then sold for the value of the debt watch the bids come rolling in then. Good times ahead for the Reds Lots of money for Jan transfer window

 

 

21 Sep 2010 07:09:08
To my other frend danke(donkey),
actualy im not 'a closet liverpool fan' like u said.n honestly i don't give a damn bout what happen to ur club.the reason i like to come to ur site is coz it was the most happening site.its realy fun to see so-called fan blaming every1 else in the club except themselves(pity to RH.i think in manure game, if he decided to attack when the score was 2-2 n manure got 3rd goal in counter attack, some of u will comdemn him n said he was stupid for not trying to defence a point that already in his pocket).
accualy i juz stumbles with this side last week n my 1st post r juz a few days ago(ask ed if u don't believe).i realy think it was a nice site n since few days ago, 1of my actvty b4 having brkfst with my mrs r checking on this site(well done to all ed).to be honest, our side not fun as ur as we don't have this much probs to talk about.mybe u(danke) don't believe it but actualy i prefer to have ur club in top4 rather than man s* tty n our damn neighbour spuds.

Mr.E

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 06:42:14

Richard branston?? ?are you joking as in branston pickle or the owner of virgin which i think you will find is called richard branson/ this has to be 1 of THE most far fetched unrealistic rumour i have ever read on this site/ well done

 

 

21 Sep 2010 06:21:07


Ive sent this in three weeks ago, but it wasnt posted. Its going be a surprise for everyone that Richard Branston (Virgin) will be the sole purchaser of LFC. I have been given this infomation by THREE high ranking individuals who are helping facilitate the purchase.
LFC will be building a new stadium and no surprises what its going to be called! I personally will welcome Branston but not the name change to the Virgin Stadium. But atleast we can now start to catch up the likes of Chelski and Manure.

Can you confirm any of your sources? Or at the very least tell Ed and than they can confirm if it is in fact reliable or not?

 

 

21 Sep 2010 05:30:49
WOW.

Sir Richard Branson, to become the next liverpool owner.

Thats a guy you can trust with a club

 

 

21 Sep 2010 04:39:24

Also interesting times for Liverpool. If Liverpool reach top four then value will go back up but if not then value will keep droping.
My bet is a tug of war will occur for the ownership after Christmas when Liverpool position will be more clear.
Interesting thought is if Virgin (and there back to the eighties moto) do succeed in club purchase and stadium, then Rochard Branson who is great friends and has great respect for a Mr Dalglish, WILL put king Kenny back on the throne to what appeas to be a eighties comeback.

Can't see powers to be allowing virgin in for the same reason though

 

 

21 Sep 2010 04:32:30

To Whomever wrote this:

21 Sep 2010 00:16:35

Ive sent this in three weeks ago, but it wasnt posted. Its going be a surprise for everyone that Richard Branston (Virgin) will be the sole purchaser of LFC. I have been given this infomation by THREE high ranking individuals who are helping facilitate the purchase.
LFC will be building a new stadium and no surprises what its going to be called! I personally will welcome Branston but not the name change to the Virgin Stadium. But atleast we can now start to catch up the likes of Chelski and Manure.


Oh come on. really . You spell the mans name wrong and you expect anybody to believe this?? what a joke. NOBODY KNOWS. We will know the new owners when the time comes and until that time comes, hold tight, and stop talking gibberish, Cheers

\LFC4LIFE/ / /

 

 

21 Sep 2010 04:26:53

Regarding Virgin's interest and stadium purchase.
. . . . .

I told this story 6months ago when virgin first became interested.
There was 5 interested partys at that time, now only 2 plus Hicks.
Hicks is interested on buying out his other half because he isn't getting offers that he believes the club is valued at.
Virgin are hanging in the shadows but no formal interest will be shown until the situation with the banks are more clear.
Branson likes the idea of back to the eighties and with Liverpool being his favourite colour red, plus the dominance of the eighties really does appeal to him and his virgin board.
I believe virgin has a 40per cent chance of taking over but wouldn't imagine a chesea/ man city style splashing of money.
Like all partys virgin are losing patience.

 

 

21 Sep 2010 04:14:04

To the person who posted:

21 Sep 2010 00:16:35

Ive sent this in three weeks ago, but it wasnt posted. Its going be a surprise for everyone that Richard Branston (Virgin) will be the sole purchaser of LFC. I have been given this infomation by THREE high ranking individuals who are helping facilitate the purchase.
LFC will be building a new stadium and no surprises what its going to be called! I personally will welcome Branston but not the name change to the Virgin Stadium. But atleast we can now start to catch up the likes of Chelski and Manure.

You mean Branson. . or we'd be in a real pickle!
It would be nice to have Sir Richard as the new owner. . but I can't see it.

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 01:45:18

Well, if Richard "Branston" did buy the club, it would be appropriate. We *are* in a bit of a pickle at the moment. .

 

 

21 Sep 2010 01:45:04

Reports all over the web and in some printed press BLACKSTONE NOT INTERESTED IN LENDING HICKS MONEY. . fantastic news, now where did i put that case of beer! So another door closes in Tom's face, please let that be the last option open to him.

ChrisE

 

 

 

 

21 Sep 2010 00:51:40

To my dear frend sooty,
i have to admit i don't know any insider.i only write what i read.just like u. n yes, 300m is a big money.but its not like he just give it away to hick as a present.he believe hick will pay with some interest.its maybe have some risk, but as they said, if u don't shoot, u won't score.

Mr.E


Dear Mr.E (Eejit),
Why don't you go back to your own teams page,
Or are you a closet Liverpool fan?
Ya must be cause you spend more time here than there.
You're boring me now to be honest!
Danke

 

 

21 Sep 2010 00:46:33
Liverpool will get a new manager in middle of october.n he will have a big buy.this is no bulls* t.believe me. RH will resign n new manager will take over.this will happen when SI release their Football Manager 2011.many new different manager will replace RH in FM11.

YNWA

Mr.E

 

 

21 Sep 2010 00:28:38
If im not mistaken, when johnson played his 1st few game for liverpool, score n mke a few assist, many kopites said he was a coup.they even he made a rite desicion by joining them instead of chels.some of my kopites mate even declare him the best rb that england have.but now all of them said he is suck.ed, do u realy mean it when u said u never impressed with him? {ed's note - yes mate, I was hoping he would prove me wrong, but I have always thought he is a failure at his main job: defending. I would much prefer to be wrong though.}

 

 

 

 

20 Sep 2010 23:56:42

After seeing Glen Johnson's performances, his days as first choice right back should be numbered. In fact, Martin Kelly should start the games against Sunderland and Blackpool. He is more defensive then Johnson, which we need as Johnson's runs have left too much space for the opposition to exploit. We need Kelly to cover the right side so whoever plays in the right wing (better be Pacheco or Babel) can stay attacking. Ed, do you kind of agree with me? Other fans out there, what do you think about my thinking? {ed's note - I defo agree, Johnson has not impressed me at any time in his career to be honest. He was a terrible centre back, moved out to right back and I still think he is terrible.}