Liverpool Banter Archive December 22 2010

 

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22 Dec 2010 23:52:29
How many fans are lucky enough to witness a European Cup Final? Not only one but two? and too actually win one, that stays in our trophy cabinet forever?

Well i seen two- i went too two, and i felt emotions that you can't describe, you had to be there to feel. .

Rafa Benitez gave me my memories, that will last a life time. I also got to see Liverpool win at the mighty Barca, and witnessed us beat Manchester United 4-1 at Old Trafford, now forgive me if im wrong but Rafa Benitez was more succesfull in 6 years than what Fergie was at Manchester United in his first six years?

Rafa will always be a god in my eyes, and if people are willing to take Dalglish back, then Rafa is a no brainer. .

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22 Dec 2010 23:50:29
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Meireles has shined in the absence of Gerrard. he is finally playing well i thin k he is Roys best signing. I think he tackles harder is a lot more dedicated than mascherano and when he shoots i do not think, what city will that ball end up in. He has been cracking volleys on the 18 that are taking unlucky deflections or being blocked slashed saved. I thin you guys just want to moan all the time. there are 11 people on the pitch. I think we have been piss poor over all and no one player is to blame. we need a spark to ignite this offense. I think ngog has been our best player, he is running working hard and is just so close to being a great striker he is showing more glimpses every game, and atleast I feel like he is trying.

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22 Dec 2010 23:47:01
Please read some older post from today you will find Rafa had plenty of money from are previous owners to spend on players.so if Rafa was the manager under nesv he would of done better?
Redeyedhector

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22 Dec 2010 23:39:59
22 Dec 2010 23:27:39
So your happy to see us get the bling but no gold, and let manure win more titles then us.Rafa is not the way forward.He did good but!
Redeyedhector

no, but i think if rafa had better owners than he had to deal with he would of advanced from the 2nd place we got and woulda went on to win the league title, , , im not saying rafa is the best manager out there, but he is much better than roy, , so why stick with roy when a better manager is available, cos there isn't anyone better than rafa available at the moment

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22 Dec 2010 23:36:59
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Granted i've only seen him in international football and in the champions league but apart from this season (when he may have scored a few goals) isn't Mario Gomez at best an average footballer and at worst abit of a lazy donkey? I think there are some very good players in Germany just that he is in my opinion not one of them. Kiessling is already a far better player and can play as a striker and wider.

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22 Dec 2010 23:27:39
So your happy to see us get the bling but no gold, and let manure win more titles then us.Rafa is not the way forward.He did good but!
Redeyedhector

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22 Dec 2010 23:23:19
22 Dec 2010 23:15:35
So because Roy is not the manger for Liverpool and we are 9th, lets get Rafa back.How sad are we, the man tried and failed.A few cups in the cabinet was nice, a premier league he could not deliver, so Rafa in my eyes was a failure, and you want him back.Have a word with your self
Redeyedhector

also from what i just said to this, , if there is no other manager available that is better than rafa then why not get rafa cos hes miles better than roy! !

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22 Dec 2010 23:21:42
22 Dec 2010 23:15:35
So because Roy is not the manger for Liverpool and we are 9th, lets get Rafa back.How sad are we, the man tried and failed.A few cups in the cabinet was nice, a premier league he could not deliver, so Rafa in my eyes was a failure, and you want him back.Have a word with your self
Redeyedhector

lol ur the guy who needs to get a grip if u call winning champions league and fa cup euro super cup and getting us 2 another champions league final and getting us closest we have been to the title in so many years as a failure! !

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22 Dec 2010 23:15:35
So because Roy is not the manger for Liverpool and we are 9th, lets get Rafa back.How sad are we, the man tried and failed.A few cups in the cabinet was nice, a premier league he could not deliver, so Rafa in my eyes was a failure, and you want him back.Have a word with your self
Redeyedhector

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22 Dec 2010 23:09:49
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This is your problem Olivier, you seem to think it is an issue that would result in an arrest or is about a player misbehaving.
It is not about anything like that: it is about a subject that could concern every football supporter in one way or the other.
I respect the editor and his decision.
But you make a fundamental error in your post.
You state, "But, this is a place to discuss football matters (on the pitch)."
The majority of issues on this excellent site are NOT about matters on the pitch. They are about money, managers, new owners and stadiums.
If, as you could argue, they all relate to 'matters on the pitch, ' then so is my topic. Again, since the editor has made a decision, you will never know.
One tip - not everything the media does is to out people, hammer reputations or catch people doing things wrong. It seems your mind is in that sphere . . maybe you would make a good reporter for The S*n?
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All right, you win. I would make a good reporter for the paper you mentioned. Very clever, associate me with a rag everyone else hates to win an argument. You are truly clever! Meanwhile, you are the one who started this whole thing about this news that should interest EVERY football fan. The editor seems to disagree. I don't care about your rumour unless it has to do with a new manager, player or anything that directly affects the product on the pitch. And, between the two of us who works in the media (who do you work for? the Daily Bugle? is that why you have the secret identity). If you think you know where my mind is then take your 'topic' there with you along with your pseudo. I still wish you happy holidays.

P.S. Can I use that S*n line? It was so clever!

Olivier


wow. . . two men fighting over the internet. grow up the pair of ye

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22 Dec 2010 23:04:27
I am sure the fans of the clubs you have just belittled are feeling quite peeved now.
I have never claimed, or will I, that I am a family friend or friend of a friend of anyone associated with LFC.
Rafa spent his last season in charge arguing with the owners instead of doing what he was paid to do and that was coach the team. Apart from Alsonso, and possibly Hyypia, the team was virtually the same as the team that finished 2nd the season earlier.

MUSHROOM

i don't need to belittle the teams they r already little teams, , , there basically crap, , , and we actually lost arbeloa who was doing great for us we lost hyppia and alonso who was one of the best passers in the world, , also rafa was arguing with the board cos he knew they werent doing whats right for liverpool the players also knew this, the owners caused trouble rafa was fighting for liverpool not for himself,

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22 Dec 2010 23:00:45
22 Dec 2010 22:45:13
Question, to all you lets get Rafa back live in the past, lose the plot ex manager of Liverpool.If our team where top of the premier league, hands on heart would you want him back.
Redeyedhector

if r team was at the top of league we wouldn't need any manager never mind rafa, , , but as it is we r 9th and rafa is better than roy so if there is no other manager available whos better than rafa then why not bring in rafa if hes better than roy! !

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22 Dec 2010 22:53:13
, i lived in boston for a year from 06-07 and went to loads of red sox games and follow them pretty closely. . believe me our owners aren't afraid to splash the cash if they think the guy could turn out good. hopefully we also get insua back in jan. team for 2010/ 2011. reina, gj (or kelly), agger, carra/ wilson, insua/ aurelio (get paul outta here), ashley young, raul, stevie g (lucas getting game time too), aguero, honda, torres (cole getting game time too). would still have likes of skrtel, maxi, kuyt, pacheco, babel, ngog, SUSO, jonjo, etc. on the bench. sounds like a pretty good squad to me. lets hope it happens, fingers crossed. Walk on lads

cut the crap fella, if the new owners had come from outer mongolia you would have lived there too,

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22 Dec 2010 22:48:04
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Ed do you think Morrati had no faith in Benitez that's why he sacked him instead of giving him money.I seem to remember Mourinho saying the same thing when they lost to Man utd in the Cl.Also would you like to see Benitez back he got the best out of Torres and many player bet he could still get us in the champions league. {ed's note - you only have to look at Inter's league position to see why Rafa's Inter tenure can not be compared to Jose's. I really don't want him back at the club, it is time to move on.}

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22 Dec 2010 22:45:13
Question, to all you lets get Rafa back live in the past, lose the plot ex manager of Liverpool.If our team where top of the premier league, hands on heart would you want him back.
Redeyedhector

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22 Dec 2010 22:40:01
We also get insua back in jan. team for 2010/ 2011. reina, gj (or kelly), agger, carra/ wilson, insua/ aurelio (get paul outta here), ashley young, raul, stevie g (lucas getting game time too), aguero, honda, torres (cole getting game time too). would still have likes of skrtel, maxi, kuyt, pacheco, babel, ngog, SUSO, jonjo, etc. on the bench. sounds like a pretty good squad to me. lets hope it happens, fingers crossed. Walk on lads

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I've made this statement on this site before and i'll make it agin. Insua has to be the worst full back i've seen in the 30 years i've been old enough to understand football. If that fat lard arsed, ball watching day dreamer comes back to Anfield and insults the red shirt, I won't go again. Out of all the points we dropped last season 73% were down to basic errors made by Insua. Ive seen better positional sense and fitness on a sunday morning.

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22 Dec 2010 22:37:16
Roys achievements i meant ones that r impressive cos not of that is impressive, , as for rafa how do u know how torres and gerrard felt about rafa don't tell me u r a family friend of steven gerrards family lol, , , rafas last season in charge failed cos of the owners and all the arguements in the board rooms, , everyone puts the blame on rafa when its the whole team that failed that season they r all to blame not just rafa, we sold key players who helped us get the best place we been in years, we sold them due to debt and no transfer funds available that year so had to make some money to buy a few players replacements for them sold and more players to add to team, only we could not afford players as good as or better than the ones we sold, , his last season was a failure cos he couldnt add to the strong squad we had

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I am sure the fans of the clubs you have just belittled are feeling quite peeved now.
I have never claimed, or will I, that I am a family friend or friend of a friend of anyone associated with LFC.
Rafa spent his last season in charge arguing with the owners instead of doing what he was paid to do and that was coach the team. Apart from Alsonso, and possibly Hyypia, the team was virtually the same as the team that finished 2nd the season earlier.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 22:25:38
I can't do radio 1 or the likes anymore, i'm getting old lol. Not quite radio 2 yet mind although steve wright is ok, i like some of the banter on talk sport and by no means take it as gospel, they are never right to br fair, but i realy hope roy or comolli have some talent on the list and fear the words Carlton Cole in jan!


scotty parker though lol

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I'm with you mate, all this modern music sounds the same. It's all just noise, although the videos are good ;0) God I sound like my dad.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 22:22:28
Here is a list of Roy's acheivements. Don't take this as I want Roy to stay in charge of us, but see how has only been in charge for 6 months, it is only fair.

Halmstad
Allsvenskan (2): 1976, 1979
Malmö FF
Swedish football champions (2): 1986, 1988
Allsvenskan (5): 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989
Svenska Cupen (2): 1985-86, 1988-89
Inter Milan
UEFA Cup Finalists (1): 1997
Copenhagen
Danish Superliga (1): 2000-01
Danish Super Cup (1): 2001
Fulham
UEFA Europa League Finalists (1): 2010
[edit] Individual
LMA Manager of the Year (1): 2010

Yes they did get on with Rafa, even more so when we finished second as he let them go out and play attacking football for a few games. Rafa lost the dressing room before he left. Some of his substitutions and team selections had the players questioning whether he was the right man anymore. Rafa also knew that had he stayed then a lot of senior players would leave, Gerrard and Torres being 2 of them. Both want medals (Gerrard a prem medal)and had come to the conclusion that they were not going to achieve that with Rafa. I will never criticise Rafa as a man as he seems to be a good bloke and did a lot for charity. I will never insult Rafa as he deserves better. What I will say is Rafa stopped being a coach and became more a politician.

MUSHROOM

roys achievements i meant ones that r impressive cos not of that is impressive, , as for rafa how do u know how torres and gerrard felt about rafa don't tell me u r a family friend of steven gerrards family lol, , , rafas last season in charge failed cos of the owners and all the arguements in the board rooms, , everyone puts the blame on rafa when its the whole team that failed that season they r all to blame not just rafa, we sold key players who helped us get the best place we been in years, we sold them due to debt and no transfer funds available that year so had to make some money to buy a few players replacements for them sold and more players to add to team, only we could not afford players as good as or better than the ones we sold, , his last season was a failure cos he couldnt add to the strong squad we had

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22 Dec 2010 22:16:06
To ferd,

I agree with a lot of what you said in your last post. However Rafa fell foul to the Fergie mind games. Yes he was spot on with what he was saying but he didn't need to say it. We were worrying Whiskey nose immensely, that is why he started playing the mind games. He did it with Keegan when Newcastle were playing well, and he fell foul to them. I am not saying we would have won the prem title had Rafa not said what he did, but we will never know.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 22:11:24
Please stop all this Rafa coming back cr*p. Would you invite a burglar back into your house after taking the family silver. Don't forget Rafa took a £6million pay off and a middle of the table team. If the club are looking for a new CEO how about David Dein after not getting the FA job.

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22 Dec 2010 22:07:02
Why would they walk they actually got on with rafa they played there best football together under rafa, , , also rafa has been one of r best managers for years, , under rafa we won the champions league don't say but it wasnt his team cos he had to set the tactics he had to do the talks at half time that changed things in 2nd half, , , we won the fa cup under rafa we came 2nd only 4 points from top closest we have been for a very long time, , , i know the year after was bad but that was down to the owners and arguements off the pitch that all affects players on the pitch, look at chelsea since ray wilkins sacking, arguements in backrooms theyve slipped its affected them, they might say it hasent but since then they not been the same team, , , rafas transfers ok so some didn't work out but so does all clubs have failed transfers managers can only judge a player by what they see of him at his current club, , , if they play good then they get bought all the buys rafa made were players who were performing for there former teams, , its just they couldnt make it in the prem, , and u can't say who will and won't make it in the prem till they actually play in the prem, look at morientes when rafa bought him we all thought great buy he failed here but ppl thought he was a great player still. .when a team loses the manager gets the blame, when a team wins then praise should go to the manager if that's how ppl work things, , , me personally if a team wins i praise the whole team as whole, the manager the assistant the backrooms the coaches and the players, , , if a team loses i blame the team as a whole not just the manager! if no other managers r available better than rafa, then why not bring him back hes much better than roy, , , where r roys achievements i see rafa has them! !

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Here is a list of Roy's acheivements. Don't take this as I want Roy to stay in charge of us, but see how has only been in charge for 6 months, it is only fair.

Halmstad
Allsvenskan (2): 1976, 1979
Malmö FF
Swedish football champions (2): 1986, 1988
Allsvenskan (5): 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989
Svenska Cupen (2): 1985-86, 1988-89
Inter Milan
UEFA Cup Finalists (1): 1997
Copenhagen
Danish Superliga (1): 2000-01
Danish Super Cup (1): 2001
Fulham
UEFA Europa League Finalists (1): 2010
[edit] Individual
LMA Manager of the Year (1): 2010

Yes they did get on with Rafa, even more so when we finished second as he let them go out and play attacking football for a few games. Rafa lost the dressing room before he left. Some of his substitutions and team selections had the players questioning whether he was the right man anymore. Rafa also knew that had he stayed then a lot of senior players would leave, Gerrard and Torres being 2 of them. Both want medals (Gerrard a prem medal)and had come to the conclusion that they were not going to achieve that with Rafa. I will never criticise Rafa as a man as he seems to be a good bloke and did a lot for charity. I will never insult Rafa as he deserves better. What I will say is Rafa stopped being a coach and became more a politician.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 21:57:59
I wouldn't go in for Rafa again the same way I wouldn't go in for Alonso, Crouch, Mascherano, Arbeloa or anyone else that left.

We move on and we find the players that can make us a good side again. They are out there.

Spriggo

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22 Dec 2010 21:57:23
You're first error is listening to talksport. Your second is believing the drivle that is spouted on there. Only a select few know who we are after, but this does not mean we will get them.
Rumours are not true. Too many people are hanging the manager and the club on rumours.

MUSHROOM

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scotty parker though lol

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22 Dec 2010 21:50:37
"and HIS keegen moment"

This sums up everything that is wrong with the anti-Rafa brigade.

Rafa did not have a so-called "keegen moment" (sic) He merely gave air to what we all knew was right. Yes, ferguson had been a hypocrite about the respect campaign, yes ferguson had intimidated referees and assistants, yes utd had benefited from far too many dodgy decisions for it to be accidental, yes utd get preferential unjury time, yes penalties at OT are rarer than honest politicians.

Remember utd's foul goal against everton where Howard was basically thrown into the goal, goal stood.

Rafa's statements were facts, we all know that, but for some unknown reason, we have LFC fans on here using the word 'fact' in a derogatory manner, just as the skum media and the fergie camp have done. We forget that English is not Rafa's first language, and when he came here, he could hardly be called fluent, but we expect the same standards of him as we do of natives.

Rafa's statement began to be spun as a rant almost immediately, after all, the things he was saying about 'sir' alex must be wrong, because alex's team was successful, and Rafa's team weren't. .so it must be sour grapes. As the spin machine got into gear, the media began to speculate that alex had somehow 'got to' Benitez, as he had 'got to' Keegan. Balls. It was spun that way because that put even more pressure on Benitez, comparing his calm, even mannered statement to Keegan's emotional outburst was akin to saying that Benitez had 'lost the plot'

In reality Benitez had merely pointed out some home truths to the media and ferguson, and not one other manager in the premier league would have disagreed with him in private. Now this skum analysis has gained koin in football culture, akin to Benitez 'spending like a drunken sailor' when he plainly did not have the financial leeway ferguson and mourinho had.

The truth is, Benitez posed a major threat to ferguson's legacy. ferguson has famously said that his stated aim as utd manager was to knock lfc off their perch. Had Benitez beaten the wannabe "untouchables" to the league that year utd would not have drawn level in championships, and indeed LFC might have gone on to win more, making fergie's ambition almost impossible to attain. This could not be allowed to happen. Benitez had even had the front to win a CL, making that record harder to equal, this had to stop. The skum media were given a golden opportunity to put the boot in, and at the same time, enhance ferguson's reputation.

Ever had a friend who supported utd claim that they have won more PL titles than us? Completely pointless claim, but they still do it. the fact is that utd are obsessed with us because we have been more successful than them, and here we are, watching LFC fans spout the OT line on our very own board.

This is going to be my last post about Rafa. I do not want him to come back, that boat has indeed sailed, thanks for the glimpse into the past Rafa, but this club is gonna do it another way.

To post every time somebody on here spouts the ferguson narrative would take all my time, and I have enough to do without that. All I will ask is this. Re-examine everything you have read in the papers, do NOT repeat their stories as fact. Do your own research about Keegan's teams, and swing by TTT every now and then for a look.I would have thought that Hillsborough and the shameful way the S*N treated the city would have taught us to be more circumspect about the so-called truth.

ferd

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22 Dec 2010 21:48:07
Decent team m8 but mine woulg look like this. . .

Reina

Kelly. . . . Skrtel. . . . .Agger. . . . .Aurelio

Johnson. . . Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . .Jovanovic

Torres. . .Kuyt

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Mine would be

Reina

Johnson. . Kelly. . Agger. . Aurelio

Miereles. . Gerrard. . Lucas

Pacheco. . Torres. . Cole

And to tell them to go out and attack.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 21:46:12
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Rafa back no thanksowen coyle. . that's the rite awnser

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22 Dec 2010 21:42:24
22 Dec 2010 19:51:51
Let's have a vote, this is really beginning to get on my wick now. Who would you prefer
Rafa = Agree
Gerrard and Torres = Disagree
I guarantee that if Rafa came back (which will not happen) then Gerrard and Torres would walk, probably others aswell.

MUSHROOM

why would they walk they actually got on with rafa they played there best football together under rafa, , , also rafa has been one of r best managers for years, , under rafa we won the champions league don't say but it wasnt his team cos he had to set the tactics he had to do the talks at half time that changed things in 2nd half, , , we won the fa cup under rafa we came 2nd only 4 points from top closest we have been for a very long time, , , i know the year after was bad but that was down to the owners and arguements off the pitch that all affects players on the pitch, look at chelsea since ray wilkins sacking, arguements in backrooms theyve slipped its affected them, they might say it hasent but since then they not been the same team, , , rafas transfers ok so some didn't work out but so does all clubs have failed transfers managers can only judge a player by what they see of him at his current club, , , if they play good then they get bought all the buys rafa made were players who were performing for there former teams, , its just they couldnt make it in the prem, , and u can't say who will and won't make it in the prem till they actually play in the prem, look at morientes when rafa bought him we all thought great buy he failed here but ppl thought he was a great player still. .when a team loses the manager gets the blame, when a team wins then praise should go to the manager if that's how ppl work things, , , me personally if a team wins i praise the whole team as whole, the manager the assistant the backrooms the coaches and the players, , , if a team loses i blame the team as a whole not just the manager! if no other managers r available better than rafa, then why not bring him back hes much better than roy, , , where r roys achievements i see rafa has them! !

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22 Dec 2010 21:33:54
I have said it before and I will say it again, Rafa never had the backing to take a genuine gamble in the market, except once, with Torres. Ferg and Chelsea were backed to the hilt every time. As I have posted before, can you imagine the furore there would have been if Rafa had bought Veron, and he had turned out to be as bad as he was for utd? Or if he had bought Hargreaves? Yet fergie can skate because the skum sell papers. If you are confined to the 10-15m market, of course you will have less hits.

Let's address the "quarter of a billion" favoured by some of Rafa's critics. Yes it is possible to build a league winning team with that kind of money, all you have to do is go and buy 8 players in the 30m category, job done. Except if you aren't allowed to spend more than 20m, except once, and the proviso is that when you have finished, you should have 150m in change. And you have 6 years to make it last as well. Not looking so attractive now.

Backing, as I understand it, is the freedom to sign a couple of 25m 'mistakes' and get no heat about it. Just like fergie has done. It is telling that we haven't threatened the transfer records that Chelsea and Utd broke regularly. You can buy as many 3 year old Vectra's as you like, but none of them are gonna be as good as a brand new Passat.

Yes, it was Houllier's team that won the CL. So why was Houllier unable to do it? In fact why was he not able to even get close? Same team wasn't it?

I am not calling for Rafa to return, but I will not let his reputation be sullied by the skum media and gullible LFC fans. And STILL we have so-called fans calling the man racist names and spouting the skum narrative. You can hear the laughter from OT every time that happens. Wise Up.

ferd

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We agree on Rafa not coming back.
Vidic £7m
Ronaldo £12.2
Johnson £7m

Just 3 off the top of my head that we did not go for as Rafa didn't want them (can't be bothered searching for more). As you can see, the prices are below your magical £20m pound mark.

Fernando Torres £22.5m
Alberto Aquilani £20m
Robbie Keane £19m
Javier Mascherano £18m
Glen Johnson £17m

Rafa never got the backing. Out of the 5 above, only 2 remain. Although Aquilani is on our books, he will be sold.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 21:28:51
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I keep hearing three names for january

Honda
Gomez
Young

I'd take two out of three

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22 Dec 2010 21:26:25
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Hey guys. . first of all great site, please keep up the good work. been reading a lot of the posts over last few weeks and would love to see some more positive thoughts. think our new owners are going to do a great job for us and while i agree roy isn't the long-term answer, i do believe he can bring some stability back to the club and keep us amongst european contention. as far as signings go, don't like 2 hear all this nonsense about nesv not wanting to sign players because new manager is going to come in and they want that manager to buy "his own" players. quality players are quality players and those are the type we should be signing (the ones that any manager would take with open arms. ie. stevie, nando, reina, carra, raul, agger + few others). think we all kno honda isn't on a plane 2 pool rite now but would love to see him sign. apart from that my guess is as good as yours as who we might sign. hopefully we can get aguero in the summer and would also love to see a young. for those of u who don't think we have the money, i lived in boston for a year from 06-07 and went to loads of red sox games and follow them pretty closely. . believe me our owners aren't afraid to splash the cash if they think the guy could turn out good. hopefully we also get insua back in jan. team for 2010/ 2011. reina, gj (or kelly), agger, carra/ wilson, insua/ aurelio (get paul outta here), ashley young, raul, stevie g (lucas getting game time too), aguero, honda, torres (cole getting game time too). would still have likes of skrtel, maxi, kuyt, pacheco, babel, ngog, SUSO, jonjo, etc. on the bench. sounds like a pretty good squad to me. lets hope it happens, fingers crossed. Walk on lads

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22 Dec 2010 21:26:15
Rafa back to liverpool i don't think so he had his chance he wanted to much power

the way nesv are trying to build the club don't think there is a big enough space for rafa now they have in place already comoli to oversea transfers do you really think rafa fits into that.

i hope in the summer a new young manager to come in to grow with nesv to grow with liverpool.


lets face it hodgson doesn't fit any long term plans that nesv have so he won't be here long that's for sure

also though i doubt that nesv would want to go back to an old manager

with what i have read over the last couple months they are bringing a fresh outlook on how to run a club with also keeping the past traditions intact ar keeping all information in house

so i really can't see nesv needing to bring back rafa
they are looking forward not backwards

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22 Dec 2010 20:57:32
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22 Dec 2010 15:21:11
Is it to bad an idea to go back in for Javier Masch again? We've got no muscle in midfield.

MGY

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO Hate the man, not everyone knows but he is the only EVER Liverpool player to go on strike, 50 mins before Manchester City game this year. We rescued this little paracite and what does he do? Scum mate!

Didnt Carra refuse right back at the Riverside when we lost 2 0 the year they went down? Double standards?

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22 Dec 2010 20:46:17
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I have nothing against roy my question is when you appoint a manager don't you look at his record of wins home and away along with everything else.surely they would of seen that his away record is shocking so why appoint him.can anyone enlighten me?DORSET RED

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22 Dec 2010 20:41:01
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I understand why some want Benitez back, but i think those writing off his politicking at Liverpool as simply a result of our then troublesome owners need to look at his career a little more closely. He left Valencia having criticised the club for not backing him (i ask for a table. .) in the transfer market, he complained similarly at Liverpool and it's the reason he's just got the boot from Inter. He inherited one of the best squads in Europe and sought to issue an ultimatum to one of the most respected owners in the game in under seven months, having overseen a dramatic loss in form. If you were Mr Henry, would you see such actions as those of a candidate for the managerial position? He's a good tactician and a nice guy, but he isn't what we need right now. He wouldn't likely work under Comolli and the owners aren't about to hire someone they couldn't easily get rid of (hence why Dalglish was rightly never considered for the position). People say we as Liverpool fans live in the past, and with the continual posts about fans wanting ex-players and ex-managers back, can you blame them?

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22 Dec 2010 20:33:27
Just seen a photo on facebook of melwoods gates covered in banners and flags asking for Rafa back.

TR24

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22 Dec 2010 20:25:12
I agree with what u said earlier ed, I would much rather beat the mancs and bitters over any of europes 'top guns'. It annoys me that we have never won the league since I was born (1996) and our top priority is always Europe.

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22 Dec 2010 20:24:50
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According to sky sports agger is back in contention for blackpool game.god do we need him.away game against blackpool roy you better win as it will be a full strength side with only spearing and carragher out.so no excuses.DORSET RED

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22 Dec 2010 20:17:41
22 Dec 2010 19:23:38
22 Dec 2010 16:35:08
. . . . . . . . . . Reina

Johnson. . Skrtel. . Agger. . .Aurelio

Gerrard. . .Lucas. . .Raul. . . Maxi

. . . . . . . .Ngog. . . Torres

This team should start on Boxing Day. Its all about partnerships and understanding. Gerrard from the right keeps balance and will link up better than Kuyt. Agree
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Decent team m8 but mine woulg look like this. . .

Reina

Kelly. . . . Skrtel. . . . .Agger. . . . .Aurelio

Johnson. . . Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . .Jovanovic

Torres. . .Kuyt

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22 Dec 2010 20:10:04
I wouldn't worry about the team for the blackout game wouldn't have thought it would go ahead, one thing tho the weather is keeping Roy in a job. Also think elia would be a cracking buy that boy can run.

LAVERS

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22 Dec 2010 20:03:01
I agree Ireland and bentley are defnatley a steal at 4-5 million each and would fit the nesv mould. . both of these players would be a welcome editon to the squad for me talented, creative, and with a point to proove.
Dave
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Ireland and Bentley are both wrong in the head. You must be too for wanting these players. They do not improve the team which is what we need. We need players that are going to take us forwards not players who are going to cause more problems. I would not want those two, even on a free.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 19:57:39
Listen to talk sport daily and on Durham and Goffy a caller said that he had links with LFC and that his brother was a close friend to Mr Ayres. He said he has had a glimps of the transfer targets and said if something isn't done quickly I.E Roy out very quickly then LFC are going to be in all sorts of trouble, He talked a very good reasoning as to why Rafa should come back under the new owners and given the chance to sign four quality players to really push us on, Rafa made alot of very poor signings but never got the players he truely wanted, insted getting players 4 and 5 on the list and having to sell to make up funds. I for one think Rafa had his time and we should put it behind us, i am somewhat concerned though as to who might be on the transfer list of to buys and really hope we are proven wrong, after all we did get Raul who had a smashing world cup and appears to be settling very quickly. Come on LFC lets start to do things the right way.

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You're first error is listening to talksport. Your second is believing the drivle that is spouted on there. Only a select few know who we are after, but this does not mean we will get them.
Rumours are not true. Too many people are hanging the manager and the club on rumours.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 19:56:29
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What annoys me about babel is he doesn't attempt any of the skills and tricks he showed at ajax, , i know its a worst league than our but he could still attempt to pull off his skills and tricks and runs he made in ajax hes never tried anything here

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22 Dec 2010 19:53:05
Just a quick vote. .NEXT liverpool manager. . . AGREE-RAFA. . . DISAGREE-SOMEONE ELSE

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22 Dec 2010 19:52:36
Bringing Rafa back is like taking back your ex who cheated on you. . .

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22 Dec 2010 19:51:51
Let's have a vote, this is really beginning to get on my wick now. Who would you prefer
Rafa = Agree
Gerrard and Torres = Disagree
I guarantee that if Rafa came back (which will not happen) then Gerrard and Torres would walk, probably others aswell.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 19:50:03
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22 Dec 2010 19:23:38
22 Dec 2010 16:35:08
. . . . . . . . . . Reina

Johnson. . Skrtel. . Agger. . .Aurelio

Gerrard. . .Lucas. . .Raul. . . Maxi

. . . . . . . .Ngog. . . Torres

This team should start on Boxing Day. Its all about partnerships and understanding. Gerrard from the right keeps balance and will link up better than Kuyt. Agree?
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I do like the gerrard on the right thing but Why is maxi in that side? Maxi is absolute rubbish. Put jova there and it is our best side.
Anfield Rapstar

actually id play cole up with torres well just behind him but make sure he gets in the box or play jova up with torres that's his natural position, , and keep maxi on the left he started doing quite well since he got moved to the left

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22 Dec 2010 19:47:07
Just an observation but isn't there an awful lot of rafa backers on here today. .just look at the bigger picture here guys. .we had him for 6 seasons and in all honesty never looked like winning the league. . the season we came second i remember an interview by stevie g were he said after the away defeat to m'boro. "time to take off the shackles". .we went on a great run but were always playing catch-up. . blame the "rafa shackles" and HIS keegen moment and playing weakend teams against "lesser" oposition for NOT winning that title. . . i hated with a passion those two yank F.R's that drained the life out of our club but surly the pro-rafa camp can concede the sqaud before rafa came to lfc is better than the one he left behind. .and surly they he made huge blunders in the transfer market regards to the start of his last season. .I love the club just as all our supporters and im sure rafa does too, but too many mistakes of his own doing have bought our club to where it is now. .

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22 Dec 2010 19:46:44
Rafa slagged Moratti off basically telling him to back him or sack him. Disrespectful considering Moratti has ploughed nearly 500m into Inter Milan. Besides the side he had at Inter has won everything in sight this year!

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22 Dec 2010 19:45:16
Liverpool Rumours
22 Dec 2010 18:55:47
Liverpool Rumours
On the rumours home page , it says further down that liverpool are set to sign elia for 9million euros.

if we go for him and get him i just hope he won't be another babel, , shows great promise, young, and then become a failure, , what u reckon ED? ? {ed's note - hard to tell, it would be about finding out his mentality, about him as a person to judge the likelihood of his success. In the old days the club used to do complete checks on their backgrounds etc, I am not sure how thorough those checks are nowadays.}

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22 Dec 2010 19:43:35
It's not the point that he recouped the money, the point is he spent £230m and never improved the team. An argument can be made to say he made the team worse.

MUSHROOM


I have said it before and I will say it again, Rafa never had the backing to take a genuine gamble in the market, except once, with Torres. Ferg and Chelsea were backed to the hilt every time. As I have posted before, can you imagine the furore there would have been if Rafa had bought Veron, and he had turned out to be as bad as he was for utd? Or if he had bought Hargreaves? Yet fergie can skate because the skum sell papers. If you are confined to the 10-15m market, of course you will have less hits.

Let's address the "quarter of a billion" favoured by some of Rafa's critics. Yes it is possible to build a league winning team with that kind of money, all you have to do is go and buy 8 players in the 30m category, job done. Except if you aren't allowed to spend more than 20m, except once, and the proviso is that when you have finished, you should have 150m in change. And you have 6 years to make it last as well. Not looking so attractive now.

Backing, as I understand it, is the freedom to sign a couple of 25m 'mistakes' and get no heat about it. Just like fergie has done. It is telling that we haven't threatened the transfer records that Chelsea and Utd broke regularly. You can buy as many 3 year old Vectra's as you like, but none of them are gonna be as good as a brand new Passat.

Yes, it was Houllier's team that won the CL. So why was Houllier unable to do it? In fact why was he not able to even get close? Same team wasn't it?

I am not calling for Rafa to return, but I will not let his reputation be sullied by the skum media and gullible LFC fans. And STILL we have so-called fans calling the man racist names and spouting the skum narrative. You can hear the laughter from OT every time that happens. Wise Up.

ferd

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22 Dec 2010 19:39:29
Jamie Carragher will undoubtably go down as a Liverpool legend, and i have the upmost respect for him but two things i do not agree with about him and they are.

1- He is claimed to be the player that in the triumph of Istanbul, texts Gerard Houlier, with the text "we did it boss" refering to the European Cup being won by Gerard Houliers team, Firstly though- It was Rafa who motivated the players and brought life back into the team, it was Rafa who brought in Garcia and Alonso, who were reasons we actually won the European Cup, and thirdly it was Rafa who put Jamie Carragher into central defence, making him one of the best central defenders of 2005?

2- It is also well known that Rafa was going to be bringing Jamie Carraghers career down within the next year, and was preparing to offer him a 1 year deal, but he would not be a regualar member of the team, That is where the rumours of unrest towards Rafa begun, Jamie Carraghers main attribute is to hoof the ball down the park now, and he has lost control of his legs. its a disgrace for Jamie Carragher to have been awarded a two year deal in my opinion, and i just feel that whilst Roy is in charge, people like Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard will be the ones with power, Rafa wasnt scared of players, he would drop Steven Gerrard and take him off as substitute when he felt it was needed, and that's why if its a choice between Rafa and Jamie Carragher/ Steven Gerrard i will always choose Rafa, as no player should be picking the team.

We need a man in charge whos not frightened of players, if they don't like then leave. . simple really.

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22 Dec 2010 19:23:38
22 Dec 2010 16:35:08
. . . . . . . . . . Reina

Johnson. . Skrtel. . Agger. . .Aurelio

Gerrard. . .Lucas. . .Raul. . . Maxi

. . . . . . . .Ngog. . . Torres

This team should start on Boxing Day. Its all about partnerships and understanding. Gerrard from the right keeps balance and will link up better than Kuyt. Agree?
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I do like the gerrard on the right thing but Why is maxi in that side? Maxi is absolute rubbish. Put jova there and it is our best side.
Anfield Rapstar

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22 Dec 2010 19:22:42
The name 'Ken' Aguero just made me laugh , it's meaning was explained to me a few weeks ago , I suppose you did not have to be there .

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22 Dec 2010 19:21:24
Hodgson is on his high horse again! Rafa isn't the right man for the job well neither are you ugly good for nothing. i mean im onyl 15 i don't know what makes a good manager i just watch games and see what happens? Rafa did a lot of silly things off the pitch when he signed robbie keane i almost cried however what i got to watch on the telly with my sister was liverpool playing good football up until last season? but the rest of the seasons were rly good champs league ever year! got some trophies got champs league final soon after 05 we basically always made the quarters of the champs league we were feared now we suck but meh i got loads of years left in my supporting career got my tickets for the blackpool game if i can make it if its on anyway merry christmas all and a happy jan window! ( no one cares about the new year im just waiting for jan. )

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22 Dec 2010 19:20:58
2the guy who wrote, who would pay off wise, its idiots like you who spoil this for us proper liverpool fans, go and suport manure

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22 Dec 2010 19:20:50
Liverpool Rumours
Listen to talk sport daily and on Durham and Goffy a caller said that he had links with LFC and that his brother was a close friend to Mr Ayres. He said he has had a glimps of the transfer targets and said if something isn't done quickly I.E Roy out very quickly then LFC are going to be in all sorts of trouble, He talked a very good reasoning as to why Rafa should come back under the new owners and given the chance to sign four quality players to really push us on, Rafa made alot of very poor signings but never got the players he truely wanted, insted getting players 4 and 5 on the list and having to sell to make up funds. I for one think Rafa had his time and we should put it behind us, i am somewhat concerned though as to who might be on the transfer list of to buys and really hope we are proven wrong, after all we did get Raul who had a smashing world cup and appears to be settling very quickly. Come on LFC lets start to do things the right way.

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22 Dec 2010 19:05:44
Poulsen is a decent player and provides debt in a LFC squad that was not there last season.

LFC fans should stop the finger pointing nonsense and start supporting the current crop of players. {ed's note - I think I have broken a rib laughing at this one!}
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f*** off Roy we knows its you.

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22 Dec 2010 19:05:10
Rafa visited alder hey with the squad 2day(check the photos on the website) and the Gerrards are going to his house for Xmas dinner.

I want more nights like Athens 2007 or Cardiff 2005 that's what Rafa gave us.

RETURN OF THE KING

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22 Dec 2010 18:58:48
OK i don't think roy can last much longer and rafa had his chance! LIVERPOOL are in big trouble if they don't get much points between now and the end of januray ie premier, cup, europa cup ect the current group of players are not up to it. it depends on the players brought in in january and time is not on their side the last europa match was a joke. . poulsen (joker)cole(past it)kyiroks(slow)konchesky(no first touch and doesn't look up)babel(baby)carra(ledgend)g johnston (bottler)and london would suit these players better they are a sorry bunch of misfits. . bring in shelvey pecceho las diarra eto mertasaker dunne petrov

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22 Dec 2010 18:54:24
If raffa did come back we should give him a role like denis wise had with keegan at newcastle, hodgson would hate it and would walk leavng rafa as manager and no hodgson pay off, result

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And then WHO WILL PAY OFF WISE? ?

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22 Dec 2010 18:51:26
NOT 100% SURE, BUT I THINK RAFA BOUGHT HIS HOUSE IN CALDY FROM STEVE MACMANEMAN.
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Apparently worth £8m.

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22 Dec 2010 18:45:20
If raffa did come back we should give him a role like denis wise had with keegan at newcastle, hodgson would hate it and would walk leavng rafa as manager and no hodgson pay off, result

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22 Dec 2010 18:19:07
Liverpool Rumours
Can anyone else get onto the official Liverpool site?

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22 Dec 2010 18:14:58
Liverpool Rumours
I agree Ireland and bentley are defnatley a steal at 4-5 million each and would fit the nesv mould. . both of these players would be a welcome editon to the squad for me talented, creative, and with a point to proove.
Dave.

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22 Dec 2010 18:13:11
The vast majority of Kop Season Ticket holders would take Rafa back now, it was us that were chanting his name, through thick and thin and too the very end of his tenure, John W Henry has stated that he will converse with local fan groups, so the if this is the case, he will be informed of the fact that Rafa is very much still a wanted man at Anfield, the problem Rafa had in my opinion, was that what with Hicks and Gillett and Parry all destroying Liverpool FC in there own little way, Rafa wanted ultimate control of everything so that the above mention couldnt interfere with anything football related, and in turn Rafa lost focus on what he does best, and that was to coach the team. now having removed the above mentioned, i see it that now Rafa could possibly solely concentrate on coaching, as it appears to me that John W Henry, would in fact back Rafa and bring him his first choice players instead of his 4th/ 5th etc. .

Everyone has an opinion on this matter but all i know is that Rafa was the one who stopped Mourinho from winning European Cups on two occassions, he won 2 La Liga's breaking up the dominance of Real and Barca, he won the Euopean Cup in his 1st season with a lacklustre team, ie biscan, traore, kewell, cisse, baros. . he made Liverpool believe they could beat anybody in Europe, we all know he can attract the top stars when given the money, He sticks up and fights for Liverpool FC/ Fans. and he went to Barca/ Madrid/ Milan and beat the top side in their own back yard, plus he destroyed Man Utd 4-1 at Old Trafford. he can't achieve this by not being a top manager. .
He deserves another crack at the prem with owners who will back him to the hilt.

Rafa make me believe, and in Rafa i trust. .

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22 Dec 2010 18:10:48
Manu Adebayor would be better than Kenwyne Jones that was linked 12 months ago .

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22 Dec 2010 18:08:02
Who the f* k is 'ANDY HAMMIL' ?
and if you mean adam hammil not likely

MansfieldRED

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You funny B'stard .

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22 Dec 2010 18:02:58
Ed did you see da vid on youtube by the rubberbandits trying take no1 in ireland from xfactor funny as hell honda is in check it out:))

{Editor's Note: I am sure the message is not offensive - but I don't understand a word of it.}
dont know if its the same in over your end but in ireland in most cities da rough area's they do really have horses, il translate if ya want?

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22 Dec 2010 18:00:13
Reina

johnson skrtel agger aureliogerrard lucas meireles babel torres jovanovic


team to play blackpool

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22 Dec 2010 17:50:07
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Poulsen is a decent player and provides debt in a LFC squad that was not there last season.

LFC fans should stop the finger pointing nonsense and start supporting the current crop of players. {ed's note - I think I have broken a rib laughing at this one!}

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22 Dec 2010 17:34:04
Liverpool Rumours
Darren Commoli will unveil our new signings tomorrow:

Ken Aguero
Andy Hammil
E.Honda from Street Fighter II

For the press pics an all that. Those in a attendance will be treated to refreshements of water an fried spam.

Spriggo

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22 Dec 2010 17:31:57
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Ed did you see da vid on youtube by the rubberbandits trying take no1 in ireland from xfactor funny as hell honda is in check it out:))

{Editor's Note: I am sure the message is not offensive - but I don't understand a word of it.}

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22 Dec 2010 17:31:02
Liverpool Rumours
Ed whats all this honda on the plane speculation?

LFCmatty

{Editor's Note: I am guessing it is a joke to prove how gullible Liverpool fans are - same as the Manchester United fans and the £36M.}
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Dam i was hoping it would be true , didn't think it would be though , im not that sure that we will get honda . are you?

LFCmatty

{Editor's Note: I hear he is coming by boat.}

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22 Dec 2010 17:26:36
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Benitez to be installed as new Liverpool manager after Blackpool match. good times ahead.

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22 Dec 2010 17:25:09
Dave just bacause i don't agree with you doesn't meen im an idiot just meens ive got a different opinion. your outlook is whats wrong with our fans at this present time.

you say just because he loved the fans city club doesn't make him a great manager your right what makes him a great manager is 2 la ligas / i uefa cup/ 1 fa cup/ 1champions league win/ another champions league finale all at clups that should not be competing at this level.

and yes id have rafa back no other liverpool manager has had to put up with the people he had to work with.

soul man.

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22 Dec 2010 17:24:55
I'm glad Stevie and Agger are back if we are playing 15 games in 5 days! Holy S@~t that's what you call a busy Christmas!

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22 Dec 2010 17:23:15
Liverpool Rumours
"Is it to bad an idea to go back in for Javier Masch again? We've got no muscle in midfield."

Yes it is a bad idea, Meireles is a nice replacement for him without the temper, bad attitude, or untimely cards. Off the pitch, he was rotting away at West Ham before LFC saved him, but he seemed to have forgotten that at the end of his stay here.

Bad idea, mate, very bad idea!

and now he is rotting on the barca bench could he not see that he was only going to be squad player at barca and he could have been a legend at liverpool he will never receive they love he got lfc anywere else, pity hes wussy phipped like when are women ever happy:))
king henry

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22 Dec 2010 17:14:01
Liverpool Rumours
Keisuke honda lives in russia so why would he be traveling from hong kong?? and if u say cos the asian cup that's not till 2011 and is in qatar, , and if u think cos they r on winter break if he was gunna go somewhere on his winter break it would be japan to see family so hed be travelling from there if he was travelling from asia, this person who says a flight from hong kong to manc, , , he coulda looked up any flight from hong kong and just picked this one random, just like anyone could look at flights from barca and say aguero is on flight such a such a number to manchester hes travelling from barca to avoid press lol

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22 Dec 2010 17:13:10
Liverpool Rumours
Believable= Eljero Elia
Unbelievable= Keisuke Honda

Personally I would Rather have
Eljero Elia
What do u think Ed?

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22 Dec 2010 17:09:24
Liverpool Rumours
BRING BACK RAFA! !, new owners, fresh start, and was the first to deliver the chance of winning the league since the 80's.

Can WOY get us to 2nd, and 2 champions league finals,

UM THATS A NO! THEN,

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22 Dec 2010 17:09:03
Liverpool Rumours
"Got to get decent right back as well.
Any Ideas?

yep Martin Kelly"

as good a shout this is, I believe martin kelly is touted as a centre back for the future and is being played out of position as cover.

He is mint there though, but I still see us signing a right back and either selling Johnson or moving him to right mid!

MikeyB

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22 Dec 2010 17:06:11
Liverpool Rumours
Skybet have installed rafa benitez as 2nd favourite for a return to LFC. 5/ 1
Would love to see Rafa back asap! !

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22 Dec 2010 17:06:01
Liverpool Rumours
Believable= Eljero Elia
Unbelievable= Keisuke Honda

Personally I would Rather Elia
What do you think ED?

{Editor's Note: They are not mutually exclusive, you could have both.}

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22 Dec 2010 17:03:06
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I work in the media, hence my pseudonym of Steve Parker and this is precisely the problem - people are scared of talking about this issue!
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I have a question for Mr Steve Parker. What are you are trying to accomplish? Will the info you are sitting on make Liverpool FC a better club? Will it make Glen Johnson a better player? Or perhaps, are you trying to make Glen Johnson a better person? Here's the point I'm trying to make. Get over it, mate. You have a juicy scoop and are annoyed because no-one will let you reveal it. I have a feeling most people have a general idea of what you know and we don't give a sh*t. We like to see dribbles, goals, saves (by Reina), tackles and above all victories. We like LFC and we like our past, current and future players. And I deliberately used the word players. I don't live in Liverpool, I have never run into a player who was drunk, obnoxious or plain stupid. I assume that some of them have these moments and that's on them. Cantona, Barton, Keane, Rijkaard and others have done terrible things while wearing their team's (or nation's) kit, Johnson has not yet and that my friend is all that matters to me.

Olivier (that is my real name)

{Editor's Note: From my perspective it is not a matter of being scared to discuss the issue, it is a matter of this not being the appropriate forum to bring up the issue.}

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22 Dec 2010 17:02:33
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Honda won't bee on the plane now because plane station is closed

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Plane Station? i believe they are called Airports mate.

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Maybe he's arriving by steam plane

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22 Dec 2010 17:00:42
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Hi ed is it threw that the camrea adds ten pounds r do u think i am just sitting 2 close 2 it your thoughts please?

{Editor's Note: No it is not true. Typically, a poor diet and lack of exercise makes you fat - the camera just records it for posterity.}

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22 Dec 2010 16:57:08
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What ever you think about Rafa and his signings, just remember he never had a big lump sum to spend in one transfer window. Teams like City, Utd and Chelsea have spent big on the best players over the years
Liverpool have never spent £30m plus on a player.
I know Rafa had his faults but we always believed we could win. . NOW i just don't know.
I think Roy is to much of a nice guy.
I love this site But since the club has been sold we are all acting like a bunch of glory hunters. What do we need at the club? New players? New manager? New stadium?
No business would give money to a manager to spend if they where leaving. So if we are spending in Jan Roy is going anywhere yet!
so to all the people asking would you have Rafa back just look at the names below and don't forget they all made us dream
Bob Paisley, Bill Shankly, Kenny Dalglish, Joe Fagan and Rafael Benitez

RedRik {ed's note - personally I found myself going into every season knowing that we were never going to win the league under Rafa. It was always going to be about Europe first and foremost and that his sole aim in the league was top four. I find it disgraceful that you are including Rafa in a list of league winners, he never won our bread and butter. Maybe it is just me, I have never enjoyed European football, I don't have the same desire to beat Real Madrid or Juventus as I do to beat the Mancs or Bluenoses.}

Ed, I think you are missing the point. . its been 20yrs and the closest we have come is under Rafa 3 points off. when you say bread & butter that implies its our right. PL, FA CUP CL, Bulls@*t you should like a manc

{Editor's Note: A different Editor and firstly I don't understand the final sentence. But hell. I think the point being made by the other Editor was a change of focus that came with Rafa - whereas previous manager's had focused on all of the competitions - and the primary target was the Premier League, Rafa seemed to have less interest in that than he had in being on the European stage. As such, he like many others was not overly upset when Rafa moved on. Of course, he like many others is by no means happy with Roy Hodgson. However, I do not see an option for Rafa to return to the club and the focus should now be on finding the right guy to take over from Roy in the summer - as I very much doubt he will leave before then.}

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22 Dec 2010 16:35:46
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Liverpool should buy in January

Neymar 13m (great finisher)

Kjaer 11m (great tackles)

Holtby 8m (speedy dribbler)

Llorente 17m (great finisher)

total 49m

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22 Dec 2010 16:35:08
. . . . . . . . . . Reina

Johnson. . Skrtel. . Agger. . .Aurelio

Gerrard. . .Lucas. . .Raul. . . Maxi

. . . . . . . .Ngog. . . Torres

This team should start on Boxing Day. Its all about partnerships and understanding. Gerrard from the right keeps balance and will link up better than Kuyt. Agree?

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22 Dec 2010 16:34:04
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What ever you think about Rafa and his signings, just remember he never had a big lump sum to spend in one transfer window. Teams like City, Utd and Chelsea have spent big on the best players over the years
Liverpool have never spent £30m plus on a player.
I know Rafa had his faults but we always believed we could win. . NOW i just don't know.
I think Roy is to much of a nice guy.
I love this site But since the club has been sold we are all acting like a bunch of glory hunters. What do we need at the club? New players? New manager? New stadium?
No business would give money to a manager to spend if they where leaving. So if we are spending in Jan Roy is going anywhere yet!
so to all the people asking would you have Rafa back just look at the names below and don't forget they all made us dream
Bob Paisley, Bill Shankly, Kenny Dalglish, Joe Fagan and Rafael Benitez

RedRik {ed's note - personally I found myself going into every season knowing that we were never going to win the league under Rafa. It was always going to be about Europe first and foremost and that his sole aim in the league was top four. I find it disgraceful that you are including Rafa in a list of league winners, he never won our bread and butter. Maybe it is just me, I have never enjoyed European football, I don't have the same desire to beat Real Madrid or Juventus as I do to beat the Mancs or Bluenoses.}

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22 Dec 2010 16:32:32
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I have just listened to John Henry and Tom Werner on the LFC podcast for yesterdays phone in. It is quite clear that they are not going to throw money away in the January transfer window. They are going to use this season as a settling in process, that said Mr Henry did say that he would take risks in the transfer market should the right opportunity present itself. Tom Werner admitted that they had set out a 3-5 year strategy to get us challenging for trophies again so don't expect a flood of players coming in during the transfer window. I believe that John Henry may test himself and invest in one or two players in January because the new owners to not want to crash and burn in their first transfer window. The two players who I think we should and could sign are Eljero Elia and keisuke Honda. They are 23 and 24 respectively and fit the policy of buying younger players to fit in with their 3-5 year strategy. Elia in particular would add the width that we have been crying out for. We all know that the new owners want to develop our revenue opportunities in Asia and the Far East so Honda would fit the bill perfectly and by the way he is a cracking player too.
On another note both Mr Werner and Mr Henry stressed the importance of listening to the opinions of the fans. Nearly every caller called for Roy Hodgson to be sacked!

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22 Dec 2010 16:29:28
22 Dec 2010 16:26:02
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22 Dec 2010 16:20:12
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Honda won't bee on the plane now because plane station is closed
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By 'plane station' I assume you mean Airport?! Is that Ken Aguero?!?!

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22 Dec 2010 16:29:09
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CX257 15:15 Hong Kong Scheduled 15:15
if anyone works in airline check this flight. check seat 5b arriving at Manc.


So he plays for Moscow and he's coming from Hong Kong? Okay. . Really makes sense!

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22 Dec 2010 16:27:47
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Live now on Talksport a debate about Rafa Benitez and his future.

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22 Dec 2010 16:26:02
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22 Dec 2010 16:20:12
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Honda won't bee on the plane now because plane station is closed
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By 'plane station' I assume you mean Airport?! Is that Ken Aguero?!?!

RG

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22 Dec 2010 16:25:09
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Is it to bad an idea to go back in for Javier Masch again? We've got no muscle in midfield."

Yes it is a bad idea, Meireles is a nice replacement for him without the temper, bad attitude, or untimely cards. Off the pitch, he was rotting away at West Ham before LFC saved him, but he seemed to have forgotten that at the end of his stay here.

Bad idea, mate, very bad idea!

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I agree with this post here. . . .

There will be few players who can be more ungrateful than this guy. . .

Quite how is he comfortable speaking Catalan is only GOD or HE can answer? . . .considering he wanted to move to Spain for family and langauge reasons. . .

He does not get a game at Barca and will/ can never replace Busquets. . .He will never get first team action in Barca unless Busquets is injured or rested.

Now that Rafa is out from Inter. . . . .So he won't go to Inter as well. . . .

It feels very good that he is struggling having left Liverpool when he could have stayed for at least half a season more. . . .

Pritam

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22 Dec 2010 16:14:34
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Think we should look at xabier olano, brilliant player

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22 Dec 2010 16:09:29
22 Dec 2010 16:00:33
Just reading Reina's interview where he said he wants Liverpool to challenge for the title next year. When he's talking about next season and the next few years it is a clear indication that he wants to stay with Liverpool.

Dirty Manc and Spurs loving media had it all paned out that Reina would leave Liverpool. Another example why you shouldn't listen to the papers.

Hopefully players like Agger, Gerrard and Torres decide to stay on beyond the end of the season.
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Well said. Good post. Completely sick of the London biased media and press (the 'arry Lovers and Spurs Sports News) actively trying to hurt the club and our fans. Liverpool will be back. Guaranteed !

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For Steve Parker's posting ...

{Editor's Note: I completely agree with what you are saying, but after thinking long and hard I have decided it is probably not the ideal forum to make such a posting. I hope that you understand.}

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22 Dec 2010 16:06:37
22 Dec 2010 15:47:16
People have very short memories rafa only lost his way when rick parry let him down on several promises on transfers, rafa used his brains and negotiated himself into a good contract and strong position on all dealings with players, but the two faced horrible money grabbing yonks told rafa everything he wanted to hear and broke promise after promise, rafa chose to take the yonks on through the media. it turned out the wrong decision and rafa looked a TOTAL FOOL time after time, he went to inter and done the same thing taking the owners on through the press again, THAT is his down fall maybe he is too honest? maybe too stubborn? if he stuck to coaching the team and ignored the politics he would be the best, he gets distracted and sidetracked with his personal battles with owners over promises, rafa has done this three times at, valencia, liverpool, and now at inter, and can't see him changing his outlook if he could stick to the job of managing the players and stop making club business common knowledge through the media i would have him back today, because he is an excellent coach, if he could have a real working relationship and have mutual respect with the owners he would be great, he loves LFC no doubt about it, if he gives his head a wobble and learns from past mistakes he would be well worth a second chance but there are a lot of doubts about his ability to adapt his personality but age is on his side he might mature into a wiser man just like bob paisleys. .

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Good post. . . . I believe Rafa needs some time off from the game and reflect the on the mistakes he has committed and he will return as a better person and will manage better. . . . .
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A break from the game for 6 months will give Rafa time to realise what a great job he had a Liverpool working for fans that gave him so much support. He might also realise he'd be still manager if he wasn't so stubborn and if he hadn't actively used his mate Balague to undermine Moores, Parry and Purslow.

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22 Dec 2010 16:00:33
Just reading Reina's interview where he said he wants Liverpool to challenge for the title next year. When he's talking about next season and the next few years it is a clear indication that he wants to stay with Liverpool.

Dirty Manc and Spurs loving media had it all paned out that Reina would leave Liverpool. Another example why you shouldn't listen to the papers.

Hopefully players like Agger, Gerrard and Torres decide to stay on beyond the end of the season.

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22 Dec 2010 15:55:52
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Asking if you would rather have Rafa or Roy is like asking would you like to cut your wrists and jump in to a vat of vinegar or swing from your testicles over a pool of hungry crocodiles!?
either way, your h* * *

Don.

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22 Dec 2010 15:52:57
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"Is it to bad an idea to go back in for Javier Masch again? We've got no muscle in midfield."

Yes it is a bad idea, Meireles is a nice replacement for him without the temper, bad attitude, or untimely cards. Off the pitch, he was rotting away at West Ham before LFC saved him, but he seemed to have forgotten that at the end of his stay here.

Bad idea, mate, very bad idea!

I don't think Meireles is any good, nothing on par with what Masch was. Hes a poor mans replacement for a worldclass player - We replaced a Jaguar with a KIA.

Yea he was squm for going on strike but he wanted to go to Barca or Inter. He wanted to go the year prior but Alonso went. If he wanted to come back I welcome him.

Absolute monster, bossed games and justified his weekly wage unlike. . Merireles, Cole, Jova, Poulson, Konman,

Currently we get trampled on in central midfield no muscle no balls no skill - I know its only one mistake but Lucas gave Carroll all the time he wanted. . that would have NEVER happened with Masch

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22 Dec 2010 15:49:56
22 Dec 2010 15:21:28
22 Dec 2010 14:02:51
What we need at Liverpool is someone coming to play who has something to prove. A bit similar to Cantona when he signed for Leeds Utd in 1992.
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If we are comparing to Cantona, then the player brought in would sleep with Torres wife causing loads of unrest at the club, he would then be sold to ManUre for peanuts.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - I think it would be more like he slept with Poulsen's wife, someone utterly useless that no one at the club wanted, and then was sold for peanuts.}
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Are you comparing Poulsen to Lee Chapman or Poulsen's wife to Leslie Ash ed ?
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Admittedly Leslie Ash was very tasty until she had her lips inflated to make her look like a trout.

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22 Dec 2010 15:47:53
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Scott dann ed he would be very welcome an looks just the part 23 young very good lad there.would u be happy with that sort of signing ed, now for my santa list an i would go for (forlan) o an then to top that off(honda) an (inesta) (spelling) last of all messi that will do for jan ed that will do lol walk on the pool. . jay essex red for life

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22 Dec 2010 15:47:16
People have very short memories rafa only lost his way when rick parry let him down on several promises on transfers, rafa used his brains and negotiated himself into a good contract and strong position on all dealings with players, but the two faced horrible money grabbing yonks told rafa everything he wanted to hear and broke promise after promise, rafa chose to take the yonks on through the media. it turned out the wrong decision and rafa looked a TOTAL FOOL time after time, he went to inter and done the same thing taking the owners on through the press again, THAT is his down fall maybe he is too honest? maybe too stubborn? if he stuck to coaching the team and ignored the politics he would be the best, he gets distracted and sidetracked with his personal battles with owners over promises, rafa has done this three times at, valencia, liverpool, and now at inter, and can't see him changing his outlook if he could stick to the job of managing the players and stop making club business common knowledge through the media i would have him back today, because he is an excellent coach, if he could have a real working relationship and have mutual respect with the owners he would be great, he loves LFC no doubt about it, if he gives his head a wobble and learns from past mistakes he would be well worth a second chance but there are a lot of doubts about his ability to adapt his personality but age is on his side he might mature into a wiser man just like bob paisleys. .

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Good post. . . . I believe Rafa needs some time off from the game and reflect the on the mistakes he has committed and he will return as a better person and will manage better. . . . .

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22 Dec 2010 15:43:58
Final home game v Chelsea last season. The squad does a lap of dishonour, at least two thirds had left the ground, with no rendition of YNWA at the end. I've never felt so disheartened. Looking at Rafa as he shuffled past us, you could see it in his face, he was a gonner, but was still denying it in the press. When you consider how long it takes for a manager to arrange his new job, contracts, compensation etc, you have to guess he knew he was on his way this time last year, and basically played us supporters.
So its not that great to hear he has his multi million pound house in Caldy or wherever, that was bought out of money we could do with now.

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I think you need a doctor. . . .

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22 Dec 2010 15:39:45
I hear what you're saying mate but it is the business they are in and it is extremely well paid. Don't forget it is the club that sanctions these salaries though. And I would not put Lucas in the category of all the others you mentioned.

MUSHROOM
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I'm agreeing with you Mushroom. I replied to the first posting. But I agree with you about Lucas, so change Lucas for Paul Stewart of Mark Walters.

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22 Dec 2010 15:38:32
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Watching sky sports right now , roy is on there , he said something like , that they might not be able to get in january the players we want , even if any amount of money is available. so that could be a positive statement cause that could mean we are looking at big money , big name players and that the summer will be best to get them , if we were after elmander , ccole , bentley , then why would roy say wat he did? we could easily get them in jan bentley would be cheap and so would ccole , but i really don't think we will , i think its all paper talk. also he said its important to get players in now that will be good for the future and not buy players just for short term.

hopefully they will look at some younger signings that are below 26yeards old , people like mata ( 22 years old ) , llorente ( 25 years old ) Honda ( 24 years old ) , Lukaku ( 17 years old ) Eljero elia ( 23 years old ) , all of these players could sign 4 year deals are not be in there 30's or near retirement. i have no doubt these type of players would of at least been looked at without a doubt , but some might be hard to get if they don't wanna play in england , if they want champions league football or if there price tag is abit too high.

but i think comolli knows a good player when he sees one , take lukaku for example , if i can sit up a take note of a cracking youngster with a bright future im sure comolli has noticed too.

ROLL ON JAN

DLG

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22 Dec 2010 15:32:10
22 Dec 2010 15:16:56
22 Dec 2010 14:56:59
Final home game v Chelsea last season. The squad does a lap of dishonour, at least two thirds had left the ground, with no rendition of YNWA at the end. I've never felt so disheartened. Looking at Rafa as he shuffled past us, you could see it in his face, he was a gonner, but was still denying it in the press. When you consider how long it takes for a manager to arrange his new job, contracts, compensation etc, you have to guess he knew he was on his way this time last year, and basically played us supporters.
So its not that great to hear he has his multi million pound house in Caldy or wherever, that was bought out of money we could do with now.
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That's a little unfair on the bloke.

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Extremely unfair on the Benitez family. Every single player and/ or coaching staff have all been able to afford to buy some fantastic property on the Wirral, Merseyside and Cheshire on the back of a club that pays top salaries. Even the likes of Kvarme, Cheyrou, Biscan, Dudek, Babel and Lucas have probably lived in great houses during their time at Liverpool.
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NOT 100% SURE, BUT I THINK RAFA BOUGHT HIS HOUSE IN CALDY FROM STEVE MACMANEMAN.

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22 Dec 2010 15:31:41
Unfair? I hear what your saying, but we backed him all the way, and he didn't repay that.

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Then you replace him and move on. We have replaced him but some people have failed to move on.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 15:31:23
{Editor's Note: Putting aside all of the gross/ net issues, the point is that for quarter of a billion pounds the squad was not as strong as it should have been.}

I think net spend is very relevant. It's easy to look at gross spend after a manager being 6 years at a club and saying "if I spent a quarter of a billion I'd do better". What people don't realise is his need to sell in order to raise funds most of the time and his lack of resources to go out and buy maybe 2 or 3 players for £20m a piece. Chelsea and United could do that, whereas we couldn't. And after 5 years, he had assembled a team which should have won the title, remember that? Only he lost a key player and failed to replace him properly.

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22 Dec 2010 15:29:28
That's a little unfair on the bloke.

MUSHROOM
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Extremely unfair on the Benitez family. Every single player and/ or coaching staff have all been able to afford to buy some fantastic property on the Wirral, Merseyside and Cheshire on the back of a club that pays top salaries. Even the likes of Kvarme, Cheyrou, Biscan, Dudek, Babel and Lucas have probably lived in great houses during their time at Liverpool.
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I hear what you're saying mate but it is the business they are in and it is extremely well paid. Don't forget it is the club that sanctions these salaries though. And I would not put Lucas in the category of all the others you mentioned.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 15:28:22
When is Johnson 'coming out' ?

{Editor's Note: His mum says he can come out this afternoon but make sure he is back by five thirty for his tea.}

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22 Dec 2010 15:24:28
Liverpool Rumours
CX257 15:15 Hong Kong Scheduled 15:15
if anyone works in airline check this flight. check seat 5b arriving at Manc.

CX257 is landing in Heathrow

{Editor's Note: Please tell me it is Kenny Huang!}

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22 Dec 2010 15:23:58
22 Dec 2010 15:18:27
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ED I really worry about the lack of intellegence of some Reds? Anyone who wants Rafa back at Liverpool is a complete Idiot!
Rafa was a tactical genious in europe and occasionally in the prem. THATS IT! He bought and sold badly look at all of Rafa's ins and out's under his tenure. If i had over 12 million to spend on a player i'd get it right too! . His buys under that figure awful! !. .No young players brought through under his reign. And don't mention S* * fringe players. He sold players that would still have done a good job 4 us cos of his ego( alonso, Keane, crouch, ).He aired his greivences in public and on the eve of big games. .Demanded he had full control of transfers etc. (wouldnt trust him with my kids pggy bank).when things went tits up with HIS team asked for more money. .

He has now gone to the European and italian champions. .ruined team spirit. .come behind spurs n champ lge and 7th in the league. .Said he needs money to spend. .And then told the owners publicly sack him or back him. .

BYE BYE RAFA

People have short memories players were gonna walk had he stayed last season and they want to welcome hm back with open arms?

IDIOTS. .just because he loved the club and city doesn't make him a great manager. .

Dave
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I believe it's possible that Reina, Torres and Alonso could have moved to Liverpool even if Rafa hadn't been our Manager. FACT.

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22 Dec 2010 15:23:46
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All this talk about honda , WHAT about the defence? we need a new lb rb and center get rid of glen johnston konchesky kiryakos , get cahill from bolton at least hes consistant and go for a couple of inter s players to shore up the defence you can't win anything if you leek goals also id love to see eto at anfield,

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22 Dec 2010 15:21:28
22 Dec 2010 14:02:51
What we need at Liverpool is someone coming to play who has something to prove. A bit similar to Cantona when he signed for Leeds Utd in 1992.
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If we are comparing to Cantona, then the player brought in would sleep with Torres wife causing loads of unrest at the club, he would then be sold to ManUre for peanuts.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - I think it would be more like he slept with Poulsen's wife, someone utterly useless that no one at the club wanted, and then was sold for peanuts.}
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Are you comparing Poulsen to Lee Chapman or Poulsen's wife to Leslie Ash ed ?

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22 Dec 2010 15:20:45
Stevie and AGGER YES YES YES
i mean idealy i would like Wilson and agger to play
but knowing blockhead roy itll be agger and the baldy or agger and soto
but you were wrong ed roy WILL play agger !

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22 Dec 2010 15:19:52
Would hoddle be any good as a Liverpool Manager?

good shout, did well for england his record was pretty good shame he didn't keep his mouth shut? didn't work out for him at spurs, that was his team and tried too hard and failed? think his brand of football would work at liverpool? currently he is doing very well in spain! !

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22 Dec 2010 15:18:27
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ED I really worry about the lack of intellegence of some Reds?? Anyone who wants Rafa back at Liverpool is a complete Idiot!
Rafa was a tactical genious in europe and occasionally in the prem. THATS IT! He bought and sold badly look at all of Rafa's ins and out's under his tenure. If i had over 12 million to spend on a player i'd get it right too! . His buys under that figure awful! !. .No young players brought through under his reign. And don't mention S* * fringe players. He sold players that would still have done a good job 4 us cos of his ego( alonso, Keane, crouch, ).He aired his greivences in public and on the eve of big games. .Demanded he had full control of transfers etc. (wouldnt trust him with my kids pggy bank).when things went tits up with HIS team asked for more money. .

He has now gone to the European and italian champions. .ruined team spirit. .come behind spurs n champ lge and 7th in the league. .Said he needs money to spend. .And then told the owners publicly sack him or back him. .

BYE BYE RAFA

People have short memories players were gonna walk had he stayed last season and they want to welcome hm back with open arms?

IDIOTS. .just because he loved the club and city doesn't make him a great manager. .

Dave

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22 Dec 2010 15:16:56
22 Dec 2010 14:56:59
Final home game v Chelsea last season. The squad does a lap of dishonour, at least two thirds had left the ground, with no rendition of YNWA at the end. I've never felt so disheartened. Looking at Rafa as he shuffled past us, you could see it in his face, he was a gonner, but was still denying it in the press. When you consider how long it takes for a manager to arrange his new job, contracts, compensation etc, you have to guess he knew he was on his way this time last year, and basically played us supporters.
So its not that great to hear he has his multi million pound house in Caldy or wherever, that was bought out of money we could do with now.
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That's a little unfair on the bloke.

MUSHROOM
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Extremely unfair on the Benitez family. Every single player and/ or coaching staff have all been able to afford to buy some fantastic property on the Wirral, Merseyside and Cheshire on the back of a club that pays top salaries. Even the likes of Kvarme, Cheyrou, Biscan, Dudek, Babel and Lucas have probably lived in great houses during their time at Liverpool.

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22 Dec 2010 15:15:38
Liverpool Rumours
Ed news?? {ed's note - there is a lot of talk of him leaving Villa, Spurs are definitely interested and he is supposedly looking for a move back down south. I have to say that I might just be believing those who say that purely because I don't want him and think he would be a terrible signing.}

think spurs have lost interest ed, as they are about to enter into negotiations with werder bremen over marko marin? (regardless of what the german poster is saying!) which would give them bale or modric on the left & lennon or marin on the right plus marin can play on the left as well, so maybe young wouldn't be such a bad shout?? better than bentley OR swp?? ?

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22 Dec 2010 15:10:16
Liverpool Rumours
This Honda kid certainly looks a player, could play left side with glen johnson on the right and perhaps joes cole in the hole. Cole seems to be best suited where he can turn a defender rather than as a winger where he has little pace. Glen johnson is def capable of beating a defender and apart from his suspect defending is a very good attacking player.

Rienna
Kelly, carra, agger, Aurelio(when fit)
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Johnson, - - -cole, - - - - - honda
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what say you ed?

{Editor's Note: I am unable to comment on "teams" due to the amount of grief any comments attract. If I were to comment I would probably say Carragher looks like the weakest point in an all around reasonable team.}

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22 Dec 2010 15:08:32
Unfair? I hear what your saying, but we backed him all the way, and he didn't repay that.

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22 Dec 2010 15:07:32
Liverpool Rumours
Whats everyones view on christopher samba , not the best defender in the world but a solid performer gives his all and is very strong athletic and can head a ball unlike skrtal who looks panic stricken each time the ball comes to his head

if you want samba
yes = bel
no = unbel

whats your views ed ?

{Editor's Note: My views on Samba are the same as yesterday - if Liverpool pack in playing football and start playing rugby he is just the guy we need.}

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22 Dec 2010 15:04:16
We want a manager that will:
- play attractive football
- blend younger players with seasoned internationals
- spend transfer money as if its his own
- just coach the team and not play politics with the board
- stay away from playing mind games with opposition managers
- not talk bollox to the press and give every little thing away about the club
- not lie to the fans
- expect the highest standards on and off the pitch
- try and win every game
- make all the players feel part of the club
- bring pride back to playing for the club
- get rid of prima donnas
- enjoy managing the club and not be scared by its history or expectation

If only Bob Paisley were alive today. . .

RED FIRST AND LAST

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22 Dec 2010 14:56:59
Final home game v Chelsea last season. The squad does a lap of dishonour, at least two thirds had left the ground, with no rendition of YNWA at the end. I've never felt so disheartened. Looking at Rafa as he shuffled past us, you could see it in his face, he was a gonner, but was still denying it in the press. When you consider how long it takes for a manager to arrange his new job, contracts, compensation etc, you have to guess he knew he was on his way this time last year, and basically played us supporters.
So its not that great to hear he has his multi million pound house in Caldy or wherever, that was bought out of money we could do with now.
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That's a little unfair on the bloke.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 14:53:22
Just on the whole benitez thing. yes he spent £230m odd but he recouped most of that back so his actual outlay wasnt that high. Under benitez we dreamed of winning the league, champs league finals, great european nights like olympiakos, panathanaikos, istanbul. now we are wondering if we have the players to beat blackpool at home. be careful what you wish for is all im saying! i think he deserved another year. .

on signings - I just don't think we are a very attractive place for a top player under Woy Hodgson so im not holding my breath on any 'marquee signings'. Talks of Benzema, Suarez etc are all good but I just can't see it happening. Honda looks more and more likely and probably Ashley Young (god help us!)

Kopper
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It's not the point that he recouped the money, the point is he spent £230m and never improved the team. An argument can be made to say he made the team worse.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 14:48:24
Final home game v Chelsea last season. The squad does a lap of dishonour, at least two thirds had left the ground, with no rendition of YNWA at the end. I've never felt so disheartened. Looking at Rafa as he shuffled past us, you could see it in his face, he was a gonner, but was still denying it in the press. When you consider how long it takes for a manager to arrange his new job, contracts, compensation etc, you have to guess he knew he was on his way this time last year, and basically played us supporters.
So its not that great to hear he has his multi million pound house in Caldy or wherever, that was bought out of money we could do with now.

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22 Dec 2010 14:43:07
22 Dec 2010 12:55:23
Yule tide Ed, how do you find it, reading and posting some of the dribble and oral poo some people post on this site.
Redeyedhector {ed's note - it can be hard work at times, certainly hectic right now! Trying to find the time to do anything else is difficult. There are times when you just have to take a deep breath before you reply as well, but it is good to get so many differing viewpoints.}

Your a victim of your own success Ed! Now who would you want to join in the transfer window? (never been asked! Deep breath!)

The Irish Rover {ed's note - grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr}

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22 Dec 2010 14:40:43
Liverpool Rumours
RAFA BENITEZ
people have very short memories rafa only lost his way when rick parry let him down on several promises on transfers, rafa used his brains and negotiated himself into a good contract and strong position on all dealings with players, but the two faced horrible money grabbing yanks told rafa everything he wanted to hear and broke promise after promise, rafa chose to take the yanks on through the media. it turned out the wrong decision and rafa looked a TOTAL FOOL time after time, he went to inter and done the same thing taking the owners on through the press again, THAT is his down fall maybe he is too honest? maybe too stubborn? if he stuck to coaching the team and ignored the politics he would be the best, he gets distracted and sidetracked with his personal battles with owners over promises, rafa has done this three times at, valencia, liverpool, and now at inter, and can't see him changing his outlook if he could stick to the job of managing the players and stop making club business common knowledge through the media i would have him back today, because he is an excellent coach, if he could have a real working relationship and have mutual respect with the owners he would be great, he loves LFC no doubt about it, if he gives his head a wobble and learns from past mistakes he would be well worth a second chance but there are a lot of doubts about his ability to adapt his personality but age is on his side he might mature into a wiser man just like bob paisleys. . skids

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22 Dec 2010 14:38:43
Liverpool Rumours
In response to the rumour: "CX257 15:15 Hong Kong Scheduled 15:15 arriving Manchester"

I mean, so what!. Wow, a plane is landing at Manchester from Hong Kong. Many planes arrive in the UK each day, it does not mean they all have potential Liverpool signings on them does it?. Oh look a plane from Madrid is landing here, it must have Aguero on it!.

The Roachmiester

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22 Dec 2010 14:38:38
Would hoddle be any good as a Liverpool Manager?

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22 Dec 2010 14:37:58
Liverpool Rumours
Just on the whole benitez thing. yes he spent £230m odd but he recouped most of that back so his actual outlay wasnt that high. Under benitez we dreamed of winning the league, champs league finals, great european nights like olympiakos, panathanaikos, istanbul. now we are wondering if we have the players to beat blackpool at home. be careful what you wish for is all im saying! i think he deserved another year. .

on signings - I just don't think we are a very attractive place for a top player under Woy Hodgson so im not holding my breath on any 'marquee signings'. Talks of Benzema, Suarez etc are all good but I just can't see it happening. Honda looks more and more likely and probably Ashley Young (god help us!)

Kopper

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22 Dec 2010 14:23:46
Small and weak; overrated. he's no david silva. .

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22 Dec 2010 14:09:23
Liverpool Rumours
Is it wrong that I am more excited about the January transfer window than Christmas, or is that something we all feel?

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22 Dec 2010 14:02:51
What we need at Liverpool is someone coming to play who has something to prove. A bit similar to Cantona when he signed for Leeds Utd in 1992.
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If we are comparing to Cantona, then the player brought in would sleep with Torres wife causing loads of unrest at the club, he would then be sold to ManUre for peanuts.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - I think it would be more like he slept with Poulsen's wife, someone utterly useless that no one at the club wanted, and then was sold for peanuts.}

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22 Dec 2010 13:57:42
Liverpool Rumours
With reports of maybe Stephen Warnock leaving aston villa any thoughts or comments bout maybe liverpool should resign him, i think he wud be a good player to have at our clubs

fishface

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22 Dec 2010 13:57:13
Is it to bad an idea to go back in for Javier Masch again? We've got no muscle in midfield.

MGY
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Why would you want him back? Remember he would not play for us against Man Citeh so he could engineer a move away.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 13:56:11
Liverpool Rumours
If LFC have a bad xmas then ROY has to go no questions asked! !

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22 Dec 2010 13:54:30
We came second. woohoo. didn't shanks once say second was no where. .sooo. .question:what would you do if you came second and YOU WERE in preparation for the next season. . would you decide to sell your best player from the previous season. .but first undermine him by publicly tapping up a lesser player(barry)which u would pay £20m for but to miss out, to see barry go to citty for £12m the following summer. .would replace your best player with a player that could'nt speak english and would not play till well after xmas. .would you let a loyal servent go(hyypia) and spend £2.5m replacing him. would you let your right back go and replace him with a defender that can't defend (18m johnson). . . .OR. .as the dogs on the streets knew. .i'd go and get some help for S.G. and F.T. AND REALLY PUSH FOR THE TITLE THE NEXT SEASON. .just an idea. . . . RAFA ME OULD MATE. . .
2009 summer transfers in

a.robben. . . . . .swap
w.sneidjer. . . . alonso plus £10m
r. johnson. . . . .£5m
n.kranjcar. . . . .£2m
d.bent. . . . . . .£10m
nilmar. . . . . . . £11m

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22 Dec 2010 13:50:16
Liverpool Rumours
Jay spearing is not to LFC standards

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22 Dec 2010 13:47:19
Liverpool Rumours
All this talk about falcao having a great scoring record, most of these goals are just tap in or headers from 6 yards, the real gem from Porto is Hulk NOT Falcao. Falcao just reminds me of Inzaghi (who i would hate to have).

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22 Dec 2010 13:46:22
Liverpool Rumours
What we need at Liverpool is someone coming to play who has something to prove. A bit similar to Cantona when he signed for Leeds Utd in 1992.

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22 Dec 2010 13:44:20
Liverpool Rumours
Trying to apply to decisions Roy makes is most difficult. For example, why does he refuse to play jovanavic? One of the few players we have that has pace and he is left footed. Ever time I see Jova play he at least looks like he wants it. He may not be the permanent solution on the left but why is he not at least playing right now?
Anfield Rapstar

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22 Dec 2010 13:41:22
Liverpool Rumours
I like radamel falcao but i don't think roy has the forsight to buy someone of his finishing prowess but i totally agree with you he is a quality striker but sadly we are not in any position to sign someone who is top of there league and champions league qualifier while we under roys guidance and experience ha! has taken us to a great 9th-15th positions we are more likely to sign jason lee that is about roy's standard a big useless c*** to bomb them long balls to what a bent backed idiot roy hodgson really is.he should have been sacked once the new owners took over and the loss to the toffees and what genius gave him a 4 year contract it should have been 4 secs absoulutly useless the worse manager we have ever employed so im hoping in the new year roy is in the dole queue with his ferguson loving buddie allardyce ha ha h wheres ferguson now to help you i suppose the next club u take over u will give man utd another 7 goals in the scoring charts it is a fixed the prem i remember when allardyce's bolton used to smash liverpool and arsenal in games and lie down for his mate sir alex ha ha ha get your job seekers book ready big sam ha hah and roy.

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22 Dec 2010 13:36:33
Liverpool Rumours
CX257 15:15 Hong Kong Scheduled 15:15
if anyone works in airline check this flight. check seat 5b arriving at Manc.

Honda is arriving today

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22 Dec 2010 13:29:29
Liverpool Rumours
21 Dec 2010 23:53:33
Just seen SSN report on Rafa outside his house on Mersyside. I might not want him back but i absolutely love the man.
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His house is in the highly upmarket area of Caldy on the Wirral. It is a stunning house worth several million pounds. The family love living there.

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22 Dec 2010 13:29:23
Liverpool Rumours
@22 Dec 2010 13:01:28 Liverpool Rumours ". .sources in germany are saying that liverpool are bidding for marko marin. ."

Liverpool have been blowing hot and cold over Marin for 2 years. Other top clubs around Europe likewise. The only real question is if top clubs have been paying so much attention to him (which they are) what is it that's stopping them making a bid?

RED LENIN

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22 Dec 2010 13:27:33
Liverpool Rumours
Would love to see a bit of flair at our club in the future or january i would love it if we could sign a couple of flair players players who are not robots and follow orders players that play off the cuff like when keegan bought asprilla and ginola at the toon we need a big lift we need a big name or someone who is gonna be big player i love ribery and hazard, mata, navas, neymar, sanchez, johnson, podolski, these are just a few players i respect for there valure and thrust in attacking situations these are players we should be linked with not more stand stillish holding midfielders the one and only true holding midfielder was makelele and since then the football world has gone mad on them types of players and as far as academy's go we should scrap ours because the only true academy's are barcelona's i lived in catalunia this year and you should see there academy i watched there first team and barcelona b team just awesome in the whole of there system there is only 4 foreign nationals in there system that is incredible this is the route our mighty team should go get local kids and train them into a close control passing style possesion of the ball is everything and in that fact i cannot see liverpool or england will ever catch the spainish up they are incredible there training pitches are spectacular not just barcelona but every spainish team the last players to come through our academy was fowler the god, mcmanaman, carragher, owen, gerrard 5 over a 15 year period that is shameful since then i have seen none to match these players quality and i don't see any of the new youngsters being at that standard at all christ the 2 skillful young players we have are both spainish and if pacheco was any good why is he not still at barcelona because they have far better players in his age group they have a 12 pachecos and 15 fabregas at there disposal we need to catch up and at least we have started with getting in a barcelona youth coach that's a start but nowing roy hodgson he will probably get rid of him and bring in roy mcpharland ha ha roy has to go

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22 Dec 2010 13:27:02
Liverpool Rumours
Mushroom, there is a difference between GROSS spending and NET spending. Rafa had to sell to buy quite a bit and made a profit on quite a few of his transfers.
For long term sustainability the most important thing to have is a good youth system and rafa brought Borrel from Barca who helped develop fabregas and co. I fear they may not stay for long now. .

{Editor's Note: Putting aside all of the gross/ net issues, the point is that for quarter of a billion pounds the squad was not as strong as it should have been.}
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Thank you for backing up my point Editor.

MUSHROOM
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Dear Ed, I know you're sick of hearing about rafa but you can't just "put aside" all the gross/ net issues.
There is definitely a correlation between net spending and league position.

{Editor's Note: So how come Spurs and Manchester City have failed to win the league? Chelsea have not spent significant amounts for a number of years - but they are the current champions. Arsenal have restricted their spending and have always been there or thereabouts. There are no excuses for his poor spending.}
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SPURS - spent a lot and finished in the top 4
CITY - Currently in the top 4
CHELSEA - don't know the numbers but they spent heavily and "bought" a new team, most of whom are still there. Now, when Lampard/ Essien/ Terry/ Drogba are missing, they struggle. As fergie said. .they failed to replace their experienced players.
ARSENAL are the exception because Wenger is special and they have a good youth system. But I still doubt they will win the league and haven't won a trophy in a long while.

There are many factors that determine success, money isn't everything but it is one of the significant factors.
Why isn't Alex Mcleish not branded a failure for not winning the league with Birmingham? because they have a smaller budget than the big clubs. So why was rafa expected to win the league? just because we're Liverpool?

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22 Dec 2010 13:24:21
Liverpool Rumours
Got to get decent right back as well.
Any Ideas?

yep Martin Kelly
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Martin Kelly is not a right back. He is a centerback who, like Carra, can deputise as a fullback on either side. He is in my opion the perfect replacement for Jamie. And I want to see him in the side now just as much as all of you but rightback is not his best position. If Glen Johnson goes then we need to go for Van Der Wiel or Santon.
Anfield Rapstar

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22 Dec 2010 13:23:58
Liverpool Rumours
Honda is booked in on a scheduled flight today. arriving at Manc Airport.
providing weather is ok.

I work at Manc Airport.

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22 Dec 2010 13:11:26
Liverpool Rumours
Would rather have park chu young than ashley young.

mikey

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22 Dec 2010 13:06:51
It is different with Roy. If the players had anything about them they would be so desperate to get back into the top 4 we would be challenging. No team is having a good season, which shows how much of a negative effect Roy is having on the team. A top 4 finish is there for the taking; it's just a case who can go 10 games unbeaten and take the opportunity.
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Why is it different with Roy?
Could I draw your attention to the following which you posted above "No team is having a good season, which shows how much of a negative effect Roy is having on the team". I think you are blowing everything out of proportion here mate. How can Roy's negativity influence other teams? How can Roy stop other teams from having a good season? This is totally unfair. Do you not like the bloke that much you are blaming him for everything?

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 13:05:01
Liverpool Rumours
I know there is a lot of talk of only one or two signings in this window but i am starting to think it might be as many as five. we need this many because if we make only one or two signings they might not make an impact and we won't be any better off than last year. if we sign 5 then we have a better chance of players making an impact and finishing the year in a decent leauge position.
pepe reina has said we could challenge for the title next season. the only way that's going to happen is if we spend big in jan.
chelsea and man city spent big as soon as they got took over and are doing well.
and henrys baseball team spent big right away and are also doing well as a result.
so heres my question to everyone.
nesv to spend over 60m in jan (belivable)
nesv to spend under 60m in jan (unbelivable)
what do you think ED? is it just wishfull thinking on my part?
i think nesv will buy first team players in jan despite the inflated price tag to bed them in to make a title challenge next year and buy youngsters and future prospects in the summer when they are cheaper.

mikey
{Editor's note - Imo I do not think there will be as many as 5 signings in January}

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22 Dec 2010 12:56:23
Liverpool Rumours
Now that David Bernstein has become FA Chairman ahead of David Dein, expect LFC to approach Dein to become new LFC Chief Executive.

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22 Dec 2010 12:55:47
Liverpool Rumours
Taking to a few Av fans and they reckon Young could be heading to liverpool , spurs don't want him now because of Bale . think he mite be in the last 18 months of his contract
so villa mite sell around 15m

i'm not a great fan of him would only pay 10 max maybe player swap? ?
this is based alot on England games where swp all was seems to look better (i don't want swp)


what've u bin smokin? swp is knowhere near as good as young, i'd have young in defo we need a winger an he is a good one not to mention hes english

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22 Dec 2010 12:55:32
Liverpool Rumours
Eljero Elia


some one on here saying hes got no left foot and he plays on the left wing , hang on good idea play him on the rigth , Honda on the left much better than dirk and maxi

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22 Dec 2010 12:55:23
Yule tide Ed, how do you find it, reading and posting some of the dribble and oral poo some people post on this site.
Redeyedhector {ed's note - it can be hard work at times, certainly hectic right now! Trying to find the time to do anything else is difficult. There are times when you just have to take a deep breath before you reply as well, but it is good to get so many differing viewpoints.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:53:10
Liverpool Rumours
HI ED and fellow sufferers of the mighty reds this season i just jumped for joy at rafa benitez's sacking or future sacking it just goes to show that he can take two clubs who have won the champions league and mess them up he has just proven to me that we are well rid of him and his shambolic tactics and signings its just a shame we have a similar problem with roy i just don't believe he is the man to take us forward in any shape or form not at his age anyway what roy has to learn is we have always had a style of passing moving football and to change that style just because u want to change it is not the liverpool way every manager that took over barcelona from van gaal-rijkaard had to accept the clubs traditions and they did'nt last long even with a bit of success, our big mistake was to start employing from outside our great club as soon as poor roy evans got the tin tac things started going down hill through the souness years even though it was bad we can forgive someone who is a living legend of our club but not these hard headed managers who think they can change the identity of our club just to suit them on rafa, houllier, hodgson, all failures when i say failure i mean in challenging for titles between them so far there has been nearly a billion pounds on transfers which is ridiculus and nothing to show for it a lousy champions league trophy and a few fa cups and carling cups wow back in the day we used to win them as a gimme im fed up of manchester united topping us year after year we need a manager like great shanks who demanded success a manager who at press confrences does'nt sit there with a poor attitude and being mainly negative i believe positive attitutde positive team and that was what our great club used to be like a joyful club not this shame that stands before us today do it for the people not for yourself.

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22 Dec 2010 12:48:29
Liverpool Rumours
All those Rafa fans are you THICK , he manipulated us to the point that we couldnt afford to sack him, but he wouldn't leave without £'s , so we was stuck untill they made a mutual agreement. And you want him back making all those s****y signings , making our team worse , wasting all NESV money. You must be out of your head , if you was true liverpool fans like me , you wouldn't want him back! , as he would say FACT!

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22 Dec 2010 12:47:44
Someone said that we should ask David Dein to be our CEO. I absolutely agree with you. He is a footballing man who loves the game, and would be really keen to turn a club like Liverpool around. What he did with Arsenal was fantastic, and would certainly bring back some passion to the club.

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22 Dec 2010 12:42:42
To MUSHROOM:

Great post listing Benitez buys mate. I'd like to go one step further by estracting the hits from the misses, to clarify how many 'successful' signings he made out of the 104 you listed previously, although I don't include Liverpool bred trainees in my list, nor do I include youth team players brout in who have not made the first team grade yet (ala Pacheco, Ayala, Shelvey).

How do we define 'successful' though, that is the question! I have comparred the price vs performance.

Fernando Torres July 2007 20, 200,000
Javier Mascherano January 2007 18,000,000
Xabi Alonso August 20th 2004 10, 750,000
Peter Crouch July 20th 2005 7,000,000
Jose Reina July 4th 2005 6,000,000
Luis Garcia August 20th 2004 6,000,000
Dan Agger January 2006 5, 800,000
Yossi Benayoun July 2007 5,000,000
Alvaro Arbeloa January 31 2007 2, 600,000
Robbie Fowler January 2006 0 Manchester City

TOTAL SPEND ON 104 PLAYERS: 229, 125,000

TOTAL SPEND ON 10 'HITS': 81, 350,000
TOTAL SPEND ON 94 'MISSES': 147, 775,000

SUCCESS RATE: 35%

I debated on the likes of Kuyt, Sissoko and Lucas being deemed as 'successful' or not. My logic was that just because they are in the first team, does not make them hits. Kuyt was brought as a striker remember! Its because players of this ilk are regular first teamers that we are in the position we are.

I had to include Robbie Fowler of course!

It seems to me that NESV, Damien Comolli and Co will evaluate his transfer policy in a simlar way and come to the conclusion that he simply had too many misses to be re-employed. Not to mention his need to be playing constant politics.

Like all of us, we wanted Rafa to succeed, but his tenue became tiresome and often painful. Time to move on I say.

I know not everyone will agree with my ratings, but I'd like to think Im in the ball park.

Ed, MUSHROOM, RED77 - Any thoughts?

RG {ed's note - I think you are pretty much spot on, either way he is not coming back so I wish we could just move on and forget this bring him back talk.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:42:24
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Rafa Benitez total spent 230 million total received 148 million just over 80 million net spent! plus a certain rick parry scuppered a lot of his first choice targets. dani alves, simao, stevan jovetic, VIDIC plus a lot more. Ed i see your point about chelsea but hey spent a lot over one or two seasons rafa did not they brought drogba essien carvalho robben duff cech in season. So you and mushroom can't ay rafa had the same kind of resources as chelsea. M o'neil h. redknapp have spent more NET than rafa did at liverpool.The media always love to hate rafa.
DCG

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22 Dec 2010 12:40:16
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Everyone is very quick to say that the rumoured players are not good enough. .but sometimes you need to be at a great club to become a great player. I would suggest whoever comes in they get given the time to prove themselves!

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22 Dec 2010 12:37:44
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Ok i was one of the first to say to get rid of rafa, but now i would gladly have him back?

roy has never proven him self at at a big club and don`t know how to handle big name players. bring back rafa

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22 Dec 2010 12:37:10
Well no manager will ever get a better chance than at LFC. It's potentialy the best managerial job in the world. Show the fans that your brave and want to win games, and play good football then both the fans and the club will back you to the hilt. Roy Evans for all his faults was the last manager prepared to have a go & play good football. Houllier Benitez and now Roy were more afraid to lose than they were brave enough to win. If Jamie Carragher was willing to step up then I'd give him a go at it, & pack him with the support of some good coaching back staff including Kenny to tuitor him. Once he does the right things we would back him, and it would take time. Everyone starts somewhere, Jamie has a great knowledge of the game and of players, has played under a lot of different managers & styles and understands & loves LFC and would'nt always be touting himself for other jobs if he was successfull. it's just an option but there are other options also.

Clubfirst.com

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22 Dec 2010 12:35:09
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Ed! can you help me on this. . I am from India nd love Liverpool FC as much as a Liverpudlian would. . but I fail to understand why everyone hates liverpool so much. . may it be english media, all the managers of EPL, players from other clubs and even Jose Mourinho. .why the hell he hates us so much. . {ed's note - Jose doesn't hate Liverpool, he followed Liverpool in the past. The media have always hated Liverpool, success on the pitch, plus Thatcher's crusade against anything to do with the city, turned any that didn't support the club against it. You have to remember the media are based in London and biased towards London.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:34:35
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Is it to bad an idea to go back in for Javier Masch again? We've got no muscle in midfield.

MGY

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22 Dec 2010 12:33:33
Thoughts on Gus Poyet as next LFC manager ?
Always been impressed by his man-management skills. Teams he's been involved with at a managerial level always seem to be on the up. Can't be a happy coincidence. I'd bet he has a good relationship with the players he manages too.
Cheers
RedTed

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22 Dec 2010 12:32:05
Mushroom i wanted to adress some pionts made by the three people adressed in the post . i didn't mean you were being abusive.

soul man {ed's note - I have to admit I hate to see people address Rafa as the fat Spanish waiter or similar, it is disrespectful. Whether we rate him as a manager or not, the point is that he was still our manager.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:31:52
Liverpool Rumours
Paul Konchesky v Emiliano Insua = both crap
C Poulsen v J Mascherano =Mascherano
Raul Meireles v A Aquilani =Meireles
J Cole v Yossi Benayoun = Yossi Benayoun

plus B Jones (gk) and Milan Jovanovic (Rafa Buy)have not made the squad any better

Roy buys some better players this is why we are crap your s*** buys are not making the team any better! ! !? ? ed? ? {ed's note - I don't see it as purely about buying poor players, after all Bolton have worse players than us but are above us.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:28:03
Take a look at their net spend, I guarantee you they have out spent us - but not the Chelski and Manure's of this world. Chelski spent big all over so their might was always going to be sustained - now they are struggling cos they did not invest in youth properly. Yes Rafa got it wrong on the 8-11m signings (Babe/ Lucas come to mind) but when he spent big he got it right - look at Reina, Alonso, Torres, Mascha. Johnson is overpriced - but do tell me what English player is not. I for one would take Benitez back in a heart beat. Roy was an interim manager - now unless we sign a manager of Ottmar Hitzfields calibre - proven WINNER of league titles - I would love Benitez back.
You all have short memories of us regularly having CL campaigns - now we are going nowhere - our away form is disgraceful and that is not down to what Rafa left over to Roy. Roy is a medicore manager and out of his depth - so lets continue quabbling and losing more ground to the next tier of rivals - thus lengthening the road to recovery and surely losing our star players when we do not make it to the CL QUALIFICATION - yet again. I so wanted Benitez to get the financial backing but it is typical the minute he goes we have owners who are supposedly willing to financially back the manager. {ed's note - so you are saying Rafa is only able to manage if he can buy lots of players for 20m or more? Sounds like a poor manager to me, even Fat Sam would be able to win things if he was buying 20m+ players.}
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Just a couple of points I would like you to clear up for me as I am a little confused 1) Wasn't Rafa in charge last season when we finished 7th? 2) With Chelski being in such a decline, are they not champions from last season? Your help in this matter would be greately appreciated.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 12:26:23
Could the same not be said for Roy then? He inherited a team built by Rafa.

It is different with Roy. If the players had anything about them they would be so desperate to get back into the top 4 we would be challenging. No team is having a good season, which shows how much of a negative effect Roy is having on the team. A top 4 finish is there for the taking; it's just a case who can go 10 games unbeaten and take the opportunity.

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22 Dec 2010 12:23:48
Liverpool Rumours
Newcastle v Liverpool
this was the line up and these are players we have sold in the last 2-3 years

Pepe Reina v Reina = Reina best in p/ l
P Konchesky v j a riise = j a riise
Sotirios Kyrgiakos v Hyypiä = Hyypiä
Glen Johnson v Alvaro Arbeloa =Arbeloa
Martin Skrtel v Mikel San Jose =* * * *
Maxi v albert riera = albert riera
Lucas v Javier Mascherano =Mascherano
Raul Meireles v Xabi Alonso = Xabi Alonso
Dirk Kuyt v j pennant = Kuyt (just)
David N'Gog v peter crouch = peter crouch
Fernando Torres v craig bellamy = Torres

is it just me ed? ? or have we sold better plays than we have now? ?


=* * * never seen Mikel San Jose play

and the team on the right would have hammered
newcastle {ed's note - I like San Jose myself, would definitely prefer him to Skrtel, it is scary looking at how much worse our team is than just a couple of years ago.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:22:29
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I cannot fathom why so many fans are calling for RAFA to be brought back. Some are even scared that he may be "snapped up" by City or Chelsea! For heavens sake can you really see him appointed to any of those positions especially with what has happened at Inter? Delusional I tell you! In my view he is not as good as people make out. yes, he is better than Hodgson but to take him back would be a mistake.

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22 Dec 2010 12:18:52
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Now that David Dein has failed to be appointed FA chairman, NESV should be going all out to make him LFC CEO. One last big project for him aged 66.

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22 Dec 2010 12:18:37
Ed/ mushroom/ clubfirst.com.
every body has a right to have an opinion what
they don't have a right to is to be abusive to rafa.
wenger plays great football but has won nothing for years.chelsea might not have spent so much the last couple of years but they spent a fortune up to then . when was the last time they made a profit
in 4 consecutive transfer windows.man ure stood by fergy when all the man ure fans wanted him out
and the rest is history .

as for rafa having a go in puplic what else was he going to do just let h/ g run our club into the ground?. he put himself at risk to stand up for the club and the fans.


as for having an ego name me one top manager these days who doesnt. same goes for being stuporn.

id have rafa back right now but i understand some fans who put an argument not to without be abusive.
soul man
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In my defense I have never been abusive towards Rafa. Pointing out the mistakes the man has made does not make me abusive. The man gave me a night to remember in 2005, although the majority of that team was Houlliers. Rafa has made a lot of dodgy signings and blamed everyone else for them. He played negative football and frustrated the hell out of me by doing so. This is not being abusive, this is being realistic.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 12:11:04
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22 Dec 2010 10:43:01
Liverpool Rumours
I had mentioned andy Caroll for the stiker's position and received negative comments from all. Guess who is pushing for him? man u and AF.

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Yes, we should bow down to the man that brought such greats as Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson and Miller to Man U. Fergie couldn't spot a good talent if it punched him in the face, or at least without a £60m transfer budget.
Andy Carrol is a traditional English striker - that by no means is a good thing. He can't play the ball on the ground if his life depended on it.
We need a target man, but one who can play the ball on the ground and create chances for Torres. Carrol can't do any of those things.

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22 Dec 2010 12:10:59
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Hats off to Pepe

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22 Dec 2010 12:09:56
Hi Ed - yes i agree with you in some quarters, but if it wasnt for Rafa, we wouldn't have been alerted to what these idiots where doing to our club. so in some respects am glad he did. At times it was bad airing our dirty linen out in public but he wasnt the only one doing it, the owners where too, i know that don't make it right either, but until start 2007-2008 season things where rosey. and i don't recall Rafa doing any of this dirty business in public stuff do you
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Rafa only alerted us to the problems for personal gain. He wanted more power and more money to spend to replace the dodgy signings he had made.

MUSHROOM {ed's note - it is not true anyway, it was well documented that there were problems at the club, Rafa did nothing but drag it even more public.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:07:54
Liverpool Rumours
{Editor's Note: So how come Spurs and Manchester City have failed to win the league? Chelsea have not spent significant amounts for a number of years - but they are the current champions. Arsenal have restricted their spending and have always been there or thereabouts. There are no excuses for his poor spending.}

Take a look at their net spend, I guarantee you they have out spent us - but not the Chelski and Manure's of this world. Chelski spent big all over so their might was always going to be sustained - now they are struggling cos they did not invest in youth properly. Yes Rafa got it wrong on the 8-11m signings (Babe/ Lucas come to mind) but when he spent big he got it right - look at Reina, Alonso, Torres, Mascha. Johnson is overpriced - but do tell me what English player is not. I for one would take Benitez back in a heart beat. Roy was an interim manager - now unless we sign a manager of Ottmar Hitzfields calibre - proven WINNER of league titles - I would love Benitez back.
You all have short memories of us regularly having CL campaigns - now we are going nowhere - our away form is disgraceful and that is not down to what Rafa left over to Roy. Roy is a medicore manager and out of his depth - so lets continue quabbling and losing more ground to the next tier of rivals - thus lengthening the road to recovery and surely losing our star players when we do not make it to the CL QUALIFICATION - yet again. I so wanted Benitez to get the financial backing but it is typical the minute he goes we have owners who are supposedly willing to financially back the manager. {ed's note - so you are saying Rafa is only able to manage if he can buy lots of players for 20m or more? Sounds like a poor manager to me, even Fat Sam would be able to win things if he was buying 20m+ players.}

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22 Dec 2010 12:07:46
To the person asking about rafa's other season. under rafa liverpool finished

05 - 5th -champions league winners, may i add as people keep saying on here houlliers side,
06 - 3rd - fa cup winners
07 - 3rd - champions league finalists
08 - 4th
09 - 2nd
10 - 7th

H&G took over liverpool feb 2007, so before they came Rafa was doing a decent job, champions league winners, fa cup winners. the year they came, he still got us to the CL final and we finished 4th. .

the backing of his 1st and 2nd choice players stopped and he was forced to buy substandard players and look at the demise. .
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Rafa's best prem finish was under H&G. This is how many points we were away from the champions of each season
05 = 37pts
06 = 9pts
07 = 21pts
08 = 11pts
09 = 4pts
10 = 23pts
A wisely spent £230m would have meant a better final league standing.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 12:07:13
Liverpool Rumours
Andy Hammil is good, almost as good as that Adam Hammill we let go a few seasons ago! !

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22 Dec 2010 12:05:45
If we got rafa back wouldn't that mean stevie and el nino leaving, if im not mistaken didn't they say either rafa goes or we do?jimmybosun

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22 Dec 2010 12:03:13
Ed/ mushroom/ clubfirst.com.
every body has a right to have an opinion what
they don't have a right to is to be abusive to rafa.
wenger plays great football but has won nothing for years.chelsea might not have spent so much the last couple of years but they spent a fortune up to then . when was the last time they made a profit
in 4 consecutive transfer windows.man ure stood by fergy when all the man ure fans wanted him out
and the rest is history .

as for rafa having a go in puplic what else was he going to do just let h/ g run our club into the ground?. he put himself at risk to stand up for the club and the fans.


as for having an ego name me one top manager these days who doesnt. same goes for being stuporn.

id have rafa back right now but i understand some fans who put an argument not to without be abusive.
soul man

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22 Dec 2010 11:59:47
Liverpool Rumours
{Editor's Note: So how come Spurs and Manchester City have failed to win the league? Chelsea have not spent significant amounts for a number of years - but they are the current champions. Arsenal have restricted their spending and have always been there or thereabouts. There are no excuses for his poor spending.}


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Ed, lets check the value of some Chelsea players in the last season when they were Champions

1. Drogba - 20 million plus
2. Ashley Cole - 13 million plus (including the value of Gallas)
3. Ferreira - 20 million (euros)
4. Mikel - 16 million
5. Ivanovic - 13 million (euros)
6. Lampard - 11 million
7. Ballack - Free transfer (but weekly wage 131K pounds per week)
8. Shevchenko - 30 million plus
9. Drogba - 24 million
10. Kalou - 9 million
11. Anelka - 15 million
12. Malouda - 13.5 million
13. Bosingwa - 20 million (euros)
14. Zhirkov - 18 million
15. Ramires - 22 million (euros)
16. Essien - 26 million


This is mostly Chelsea's first team with Ballack and Shevchenko no longer with Chelsea. . . Even though they have not spent big "for a number of years" their first team still is worth more than 15 million per player (on an average). . .Compare this with Liverpool. . . . You will know where we stand as of now. . .

Again I reiterate, that Rafa Benitez bought average players because the quality players always moved to Chelsea or ManU or Man City(now) . . .because these clubs were willing to spend big in TRANSFER MONEY (eg Vidic, Malouda). . .Wages wise Liverpool could compete but not with TRANSFER MONEY. . .

But people still slay Rafa Benitez over one flop Aquilani (even though I believe we never got to see him enough playing) and other bargain buys plus Babel. . .

Its pathetic people don't see his contribution with the constraints placed on him. . . .

{Editor's Note: You have a fundmentally flawed argument - aside from some of the players not being part of last season's team (Shevchenko, Ramires), Drogba being counted twice and some players being bought as much as 9 years ago, they still total far less than the money Rafa spent.}

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22 Dec 2010 11:58:13
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22 Dec 2010 11:43:31
Whilst the results at Inter have of course not been good enough, I do not think it was all Rafa's fault. He is playing with a team made by Mourinho, that love Mourinho and his ways. That team has just won the treble, so there is no motivation to improve, because how can they improve? Not many managers would want to take that job on; an aging team that has just won the treble with not a lot of funds to re-build the team; Rafa was doomed to failure."

The vast majority of the team was not Mourinho's either and although it is ageing Benitez has the added benefit of one of the brightest young players in the shape of Coutinho. It may not be Benitez's squad but it's hard to point to areas where they are not strong - most managers would give their right arm for such a squad. He was given a good squad, high on recent success and he plays a very similar system to Mourinho, if he can't achieve success under those conditions i'm afraid he has to look at himself rather than outside factors. Even Napoli are higher than Inter in Serie A and we drew with them playing terribly.

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22 Dec 2010 11:54:32
{ed's note - do you not think a better manager would have made a better fist of things under H&G, he made things worse with his constant petty politics and infighting. Actually I think better manager is the wrong wording, different is a better word for that, I mean someone who would just concentrate on making the best of what he had, rather than trying to get more power all the time.}

Hi Ed - yes i agree with you in some quarters, but if it wasnt for Rafa, we wouldn't have been alerted to what these idiots where doing to our club. so in some respects am glad he did. At times it was bad airing our dirty linen out in public but he wasnt the only one doing it, the owners where too, i know that don't make it right either, but until start 2007-2008 season things where rosey. and i don't recall Rafa doing any of this dirty business in public stuff do you

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22 Dec 2010 11:49:16
Liverpool Rumours
Rafa right, wanted Gareth Barry instead of Alonso. Rafa also brought in Voronin, Josemi and other s* te. Now I'm not saying you should compare that to Hodgeson because we all want this clown out. But the fact of the matter is the club was sliding under his charge. Players don't look to owners and all that for an excuse not to perform. The simple fact is that 7th wasn't good enough (don't forget he was 5th in his first season) and over the course of a league season he never was consistent enough apart from one season where he had his Keegan moment and blew it when he could have been the hero of the last 20 years.

WE NEED TO MOVE ON LADS

Spriggo

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22 Dec 2010 11:48:02
Also people fail to see, until last season, rafa never bought his own players Rick Parry did! {ed's note - that is absolute rubbish, Parry bought players Rafa chose, his mistake was in messing up negotiations time after time and working too slowly, allowing other teams to sign our targets.}

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22 Dec 2010 11:47:43
Whilst the results at Inter have of course not been good enough, I do not think it was all Rafa's fault. He is playing with a team made by Mourinho, that love Mourinho and his ways. That team has just won the treble, so there is no motivation to improve, because how can they improve? Not many managers would want to take that job on; an aging team that has just won the treble with not a lot of funds to re-build the team; Rafa was doomed to failure.
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Could the same not be said for Roy then? He inherited a team built by Rafa.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 11:46:10
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Club first.com who is the top world class manager was you thinking of? would be interested to who you would like to see at LFC

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22 Dec 2010 11:44:09
Liverpool Rumours
To the person asking about rafa's other season. under rafa liverpool finished

05 - 5th -champions league winners, may i add as people keep saying on here houlliers side,
06 - 3rd - fa cup winners
07 - 3rd - champions league finalists
08 - 4th
09 - 2nd
10 - 7th

H&G took over liverpool feb 2007, so before they came Rafa was doing a decent job, champions league winners, fa cup winners. the year they came, he still got us to the CL final and we finished 4th. .

the backing of his 1st and 2nd choice players stopped and he was forced to buy substandard players and look at the demise. .

Anyone who had to work with them clowns wouldn't do well. . I mean even our players didn't do well, Rafa left and they still played and still are doing badly?
People need to wake up the bad blood was the cancer that H&G created. . if we don't qualify for the C/ L again, we WONT attract the top players we need to get back up there.
In the summer when the managers job was available, shouldnt a club like our size Liverpool FC have managers queing up around the block to be our next manager. . No we didn't ask yourself why? is it cos we are not a big club anymore or was it the fact that managers didn't wanna work under H&G. . Roy was the best manager who applied and wanted the job. Hence why is was chosen, yes there was rumours about others applying Kenny one of them, but really if he had took the job would things be any better, i don't think so we are going through a full overhaul at the club. If kenny took the job and results had gone the same as they have done now. would he have gotten the response Roy has or would we have all gone down the worship kenny route similar to Newcastle with Shearer route. .

This club is in grave danger of slipping into the wilderness, and am not sure when we will improve.
I would for certain give Rafa the job back, i don't see anyone out there better than him, last year was poor but the other years he got us in the C/ L and at least this would give us a shot at signing better players cos at the min we will be lucky if top players want to sign for liverpool. {ed's note - do you not think a better manager would have made a better fist of things under H&G, he made things worse with his constant petty politics and infighting. Actually I think better manager is the wrong wording, different is a better word for that, I mean someone who would just concentrate on making the best of what he had, rather than trying to get more power all the time.}

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22 Dec 2010 11:43:31
Whilst the results at Inter have of course not been good enough, I do not think it was all Rafa's fault. He is playing with a team made by Mourinho, that love Mourinho and his ways. That team has just won the treble, so there is no motivation to improve, because how can they improve? Not many managers would want to take that job on; an aging team that has just won the treble with not a lot of funds to re-build the team; Rafa was doomed to failure.

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22 Dec 2010 11:38:03
No Soul MAN if I was a bitter manure fan then I'd love to see Mr Benitez back at LFC just to see the club put back another 20 years. I have about as much respect for Rafa as I do for the fools who chant his name like he is some sort of god. The man is about to pick up another 6m in payoffs for failure, what a joke, he should have been an Irish politician. And before you go on bla bla about him not being able to buy the players he wanted etc etc all that has nothing to do with it. I see so called managers like him every day of the week in my own organisation, all their failures are at fault of everyone else around them, everyone else is wrong and they know best, and there is always a few little lickapses licking up to busting their ego's. Let's all look to the future now - get us a new topclass manager who is brave, wants to play football and isn't afraid to win games, whose there for the club and the fans and not his own ego.

Clubfirst.com

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22 Dec 2010 11:35:46
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{Editor's Note: Putting aside all of the gross/net issues, the point is that for quarter of a billion pounds the squad was not as strong as it should have been.}


This comment is laughable, how can we put the gross net issues to one side? They are fundamental when discussing this issue. We essentially sold players and bought less quality as we didn't have the full value of the previous transfer! You can NEVER be successful in that way! If anyone mentions Arsenal, they haven't won a dickybird for 5 years and 50% want rid of Wenger for that reason.

Rafa represented the best chance we had of fulfilling all of NESV objectives, he works to the very brief they as a group have set down.

People who don't support the Rafa shout are simply brainwashed by Parry, Cecil and other cretins that have ruined our club! Rafa fought the fight, told us how it was and it was all used against him.

Welcome back anytime Rafa, better than Uncle Woy, that's for sure.

YNWA

{Editor's Note: To put it another way, could you build a decent team for £250M? I think most people on here could - seemingly Rafa couldn't.}

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22 Dec 2010 11:26:00
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Has anyone seen what Balotelli said? Thinks he's the second best player in the world! He also said it is his dream to play for AC. A complete disregard for Inter and City. So pleased he doesn't play for us.

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22 Dec 2010 11:22:33
"According to the daily mirror he is said to be now 4th choice centre back at aston villa a team currently fighting relegation in fifteenth. Why would richard dunne benefit our team in anyway when we have many up and coming defenders, this is just pushing them further down the pecking order. Richard dunne will not be coming to liverpool for any fee".

Well let's hope not but nothing would really surprise me. Here's hoping everybody who really matters at the club (and I don't include the lame duck of a manager in this because if it was up to him he would be signing dross like Dunne and Carlton Cole) is good to their word going forward

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22 Dec 2010 11:22:31
One question to all the people asking for rafa back- are you serious?
Yes won the champs league - and may I add in unbelievable style- but have you forgotten all the hassle 'rafa' brought? How many times did we wake up to the papers covering yet another issue of fighting between the yanks and 'rafa'? To many for my liking. Yes he was not always given the funds to get his first choices but you have to work with what you have, not start blaming everyone else. I think 'rafa' realised that he wasn't up to the job of winning the prem and he played a cute game of blaming everything on h & g because he knew no- one liked them and was adding more wood to an already burning fire. Just my thoughts but the last person I want back is 'rafa', it isn't gonna happen.
Andy the red

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22 Dec 2010 11:22:29
I think you are wrong when you say that he spent 230 million. . .Wot do you mean? . . . .Gross Spend or Net Spend? ?. . . . . .

If you want a true evaluation of how much he hs spent, look at GROSS AMOUNT SPENT and not NET AMOUNT SPENT. . . . .

Perhaps you will understand the difference. . . If you remove the 81 million which MANU received for Ronaldo, then you will be surprised about the figures. . . .

You don't mention Chelsea spending as well. . . So basically your figures are w/ o any CONTEXT. . .

Truth is he was closer than any other manager since Kenny to winning the EPL. . . So he has to go down as the best manager after Kenny (in terms of results). . .though I do accept that under Roy Evans Liverpool have played the best football since Kenny left. . .

But somehow he is not appreciated for his efforts. . .By the way he won a Champions League final as well. . . and went all the way again to the final again two years later (without winning it). . .Two UCL semi finals. . .And one UCL quarter finals. . . . .

But because these were not priority, they should not count at all. . . After all who the hell cares what we do in Champions league? ?. . .

I hope you have your answer MUSHROOM. . . . .
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This is based on gross spend. If he had bought good players then there would have been no need to sell them.
Player Signed Cost Came from
Fernando Torres July 2007 20, 200,000 Atletico Madrid
Alberto Aquilani August 2009 20,000,000 AS Roma
Robbie Keane July 28 2008 19,000,000 Tottenham Hotspur
Javier Mascherano January 2007 18,000,000 West Ham United
Glen Johnson 22 June 2009 17, 500,000 Portsmouth
Ryan Babel July 2007 11, 500,000 Ajax
Xabi Alonso August 20th 2004 10, 750,000 Real Sociedad
Dirk Kuyt August 18 2006 9,000,000 Feyenoord
Albert Riera September 1 2008 8,000,000 Espanyol
Peter Crouch July 20th 2005 7,000,000 Southampton
Andrea Dossena July 2008 7,000,000 Udinese
Lucas Leiva 11 May 2007 6, 750,000 Gremio
Jermaine Pennant July 26 2006 6, 700,000 Birmingham City
Martin Skrtel 11 January 2008 6, 500,000 Zenit St Petersburg
Craig Bellamy July 1st 2006 6,000,000 Blackburn Rovers
Jose Reina July 4th 2005 6,000,000 Villareal
Luis Garcia August 20th 2004 6,000,000 Barcelona
Dan Agger January 2006 5, 800,000 Brondby
Mohammed Sissoko July 2005 5, 600,000 Valencia
Fernando Morientes January 2005 5, 500,000 Real Madrid
Yossi Benayoun July 2007 5,000,000 West Ham United
Diego Cavalieri July 2008 4,000,000 Palmeiras
Alvaro Arbeloa January 31 2007 2, 600,000 Deportivo La Coruna
Sebastian Leto July 2007 2, 500,000 Lanus
Jose Miguel Gonzalez Rey (Josemi) July 2004 2,000,000 CD Malaga
Gabriel Paletta July 1st 2006 2,000,000 Banfield
Jonjo Shelvey 10 May 2010 1, 700,000 Charlton Athletic
Sotirios Kyrgiakos 21 August 2009 1, 500,000 AEK Athens
David Ngog July 24 2008 1, 500,000 Paris St Germain
Mark Gonzalez July 4th 2005 1, 500,000 Albacete
Scott Carson January 21st 2005 750,000 Leeds United
Mikel San Jose July 2007 270,000 Athletic Bilbao
David Martin January 2006 250,000 MK Dons
Antonio Barragan July 4th 2005 240,000 Sevilla
Besian Idrizaj August 2005 190,000 Linzer ASK
Jack Hobbs August 2005 150,000 Lincoln City
Alex Cooper January 2008 100,000 Ross County
Alexander Kacaniklic June 2007 75,000 Helsingborgs
Gerardo Bruna September 2007 0 Real Madrid
Charles Itandje August 2007 0 Lens
Paul Anderson January 2006 0 Hull City
Danny Guthrie July 2005 0 Trainee
Chris Buchtmann January 2008 0 Borussia Dortmund
Philipp Degen July 1 2008 0 Borussia Dortmund
Hakan Duyan June 2008 0
Lauri Dalla Valle January 2008 0 Jippo
Peter Gulacsi 1 September 2008 0 MTK Hungaria
Adam Hammill January 2006 0 Trainee
John Flanagan January 2010 0 Trainee
Daniel Ayala July 2007 0 Sevilla
Damien Plessis August 2007 0 Lyon
Vincent Lucas Weijl July 2008 0 AZ Alkmaar
Nikola Saric July 2008 0 Herfolge
Emmanuel Mendy July 23 2008 0 Murcia Deportivo
Vitor Flora September 1 2008 0 Botafogo FC
Jakub Sokolik August 2009 0 Banik Ostrava
Jamie Stephens April 5th 2010 0 Swindon Town
Maxi Rodriguez January 2010 0 Atletico Madrid
Kristjan Gauti Emilsson January 2010 0 FH Hafnarfjordur
Dave Moli December 2009 0 Luton Town
Antonio Nunez August 2004 0 Real Madrid
Mauricio Pellegrino January 2005 0 Valencia
Nicolaj Beier Kohlert July 2009 0 Esbjerg fB
Chris Mavinga July 8 2009 0 Paris St Germain
Boudewijn Zenden July 4th 2005 0 Middlesbrough
Victor Palsson January 2009 0 AGF Arhus
Jan Kromkamp January 2006 0 Villareal
Calum Woods January 2006 0 Trainee
Lee Peltier July 2005 0 Trainee
Craig Lindfield July 2006 0 Trainee
Stephen Darby July 2006 0 Trainee
Danny O'Donnell July 2005 0 Trainee
Ramon Calliste August 2005 0 Manchester United
Steve Irwin July 2008 0 Trainee
Martin Kelly August 2007 0 Trainee
Ronald Huth January 2007 0 Tacuary FC
Jordy Brouwer January 2007 0 Ajax
Francisco Manuel Duran January 2007 0 Malaga
Emiliano Insua January 2007 0 Boca Juniors
Ray Putterill June 2007 0 Trainee
Martin Hansen June 2007 0 Trainee
Jay Spearing June 2007 0 Trainee
Dave Roberts July 2006 0 Trainee
David Mannix July 2004 0 Trainee
Ryan Flynn July 2006 0 Trainee
Robbie Threlfall July 2006 0 Trainee
Paul Willis July 2005 0 Trainee
Miki Roque August 2005 0 Llieda
Ryan Crowther July 2007 0 Stockport County
Mihail Alexandrov July 2007 0 CSKA Sofia
Dani Pacheco July 2007 0 Barcelona
Marvin Pourie July 2007 0 Borussia Dortmund
Fabio Aurelio July 5 2006 0 Valencia
Nikolay Mihaylov July 2007 0 Levski Sofia
Jay Smith July 2005 0 Trainee
Gary Mackay Steven June 2007 0 Ross County
Andras Simon 27 May 2007 0 MTK Hungaria
Krisztian Nemeth 27 May 2007 0 MTK Hungaria
Mark Smyth June 2004 0 Trainee
Andriy Voronin July 2007 0 Bayer Leverkusen
Nabir El Zhar June 2006 0 St Etienne
Robbie Fowler January 2006 0 Manchester City
Ryan Wilkie July 2005 0 Trainee
Godwin Antwi August 2005 0 Real Zaragoza

TOTAL SPEND £229, 125,000

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 11:12:30
Liverpool Rumours
Hi ed,
regarding RAFA i will never forget the great emotions he and
the rest gave me eg;chelsea, arsenal, inter, juve, milan, leverkusen, olympiakos, real madrid, barca etc etc, but now we have to
look in the future, so we have new owners and we need new EVERYTHING in my modest opinion, i hope we will spend and spend coz we have many average
players that we don't need if we want to have fun AGAIN.
ed you were my hope when the takeover seemed it, s
not going to happen.
THANKS AGAIN MALTA

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22 Dec 2010 11:08:30
Maybe inter would have roy back again?? ?? ?

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22 Dec 2010 10:57:11
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One man for me to be liverpool manager bring back rafa. . 2nd 2 years ago with some backing money wise he will show is worth x
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What about the league position the other 5 seasons? We were no where near 1st place. And for money, Rafa spent approx £230m in his tenure.

MUSHROOM

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I think you are wrong when you say that he spent 230 million. . .Wot do you mean? . . . .Gross Spend or Net Spend? ?. . . . . .

If you want a true evaluation of how much he hs spent, look at GROSS AMOUNT SPENT and not NET AMOUNT SPENT. . . . .

Perhaps you will understand the difference. . . If you remove the 81 million which MANU received for Ronaldo, then you will be surprised about the figures. . . .

You don't mention Chelsea spending as well. . . So basically your figures are w/ o any CONTEXT. . .

Truth is he was closer than any other manager since Kenny to winning the EPL. . . So he has to go down as the best manager after Kenny (in terms of results). . .though I do accept that under Roy Evans Liverpool have played the best football since Kenny left. . .

But somehow he is not appreciated for his efforts. . .By the way he won a Champions League final as well. . . and went all the way again to the final again two years later (without winning it). . .Two UCL semi finals. . .And one UCL quarter finals. . . . .

But because these were not priority, they should not count at all. . . After all who the hell cares what we do in Champions league? ?. . .

I hope you have your answer MUSHROOM. . . . .

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22 Dec 2010 10:49:59
Clubfirst.com if you are a lfc fan hang your head in shame. its fans like you who use a racist term for one of our old managers and show him a lack of respect. rafa deserves respect from all liverpool fans wether you wanted him to go or stay. the least rafa gave our club was 100 percent.

or are you a bitter or a manure fan in which case get a life.

soul man.

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22 Dec 2010 10:42:38
Benitez destroyed LFC more than any one or group of individuals did over the last 100 years. The one thing LFC could always be proud of was the unity of their supporters and he is responsible for pipe pipering the less intelligent "Rafa Heads" element of the fanbase and spliting the club support probably forever. Just as the Toffee's packed their bags 120 years ago and left I think it's now time for the Rafa brigade to pack their bags as well and follow him to Blackburn or where ever he will end up and leave this club to supporters who want the best fort he club now and in the future. And the best for the club is to confine Mr Benitez to the history books

Clubfirst.com

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22 Dec 2010 10:38:49
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Been reading this site for a while and just wanted to see if anyone else shares the same opinion. There is no doubt that we need re-enforcements in key areas of the team, however, I think that most people are missing the point. We already have (on paper) a very talented squad of international players, most of which would be in or around any first team squad in the EPL. We just need to get these players motivated and playing in their proper positions! Obviously Gerrard, Torres and Reina would walk into any starting eleven, but in my opinion Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Mereiles, Cole and Kuyt would also be pushing hard for starting berths in most teams in the top half of the EPL. If you weave these 9 players into a starting 11, then it becomes clear to see what areas we are lacking top class players - LB, LW/ CF (depending on where Joe Cole plays). Therefore, it seems obvious to me that if we could buy world class players for these 3 positions we should have a team good enough to challenge the top 4. If we could combine this transfer activity with offloading some players who are obviously never going to make the grade (and who are not youngsters who could develop) then we would have a very powerful looking squad. IMO, Poulsen, Jovanovic and Konchesky fall into this bracket. Now this is not a rumour because I don't have any "sources", but I think that it is realistic to be able to go after Lescott/ Taiwo to solve the LB problems (Lescott would be my shout to also offer cover at CB and would offer a better balance if Johnson continues at RB), Elia/ Turan/ Young for LW (we must go for someone who is proven in this position, has pace, can beat a man and deliver a good final ball) and Benzema for CF (IMO would be a superb back up if Torres is injured or could compliment him if we played 2 out and out strikers).
Our first eleven could look something like this:
Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Lescott, Kuyt/ Cole, Gerard, Mereiles, Elia/ Young/ Turan, Torres, Benzema.
Second team:
Jones, Kelly, Skrtel, Kyriakos, Aurelio, Kuyt/ Cole, Lucas, Shelvey, Maxi, Babel, Ngog.
And we would still have youngsters like Wilson, Spearing and co. to cover as well.
This looks like a great squad to me and all it would take is 3 in and 3 out and about + £30m to achieve it. Anyone agree?? Welshred

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22 Dec 2010 10:36:55
Liverpool Rumours
Woy '' I hate foreign players in england'' hodgson won't sign any of the foreign players you guys are suggesting. . Even if aguero is offered to us for 1million !
So forget all the foreigners.
He will sign only
SWP-10mil( city will have a laugh at him cos he is not even worth 5mil)
David Bentley-10 mil(spurs will join the laugh)
c cole-swap for the faster, more skillful babel( west ham will announce that liverpool is going to get relegated once the transfer is over)
Ireland-cos we need more centre midfielders playing wide and comin in and making the centre packed.
Dunne-cos he is now 4th choice at villa!
And alas come feb he will proudly say THIS IS MY TEAM WITH MY STAMP OVER IT. Ed you agree with me? My rumours are true. . With Roy hodgeson at the helm it is easy to predict.
Breathtaking Phoenix

Red for life!

{Editor's Note: No, I completely disagree. Roy Hodgson is probably the most widely travelled English manager - Poulson was signed in the Summer, numerous "foreign" players have been signed by Hodgson when managing other clubs - you could hardly accuse Fulham of having an English only policy. There is no rationale to support your post at all.}

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22 Dec 2010 10:23:44
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There's more of a chance of FAT SAM managing LFC than bringing back the FAT SPANISH waiter.

Clubfirst.com

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22 Dec 2010 10:09:58
Liverpool Rumours
"The Madness of King Roy - VII"

Appalled at the snide comments on other Liverpool fan websites about Yusuf Mersin, the new U16 keeper we have signed from Millwall.
Are we losing our sense of fair play and renowned warmth when it comes to new players?
Welcome to the young lad and we hope you enjoy your time with us.
We may have a large Academy and collect players at an alarming rate, but we are still a huge draw in the football world and we should be proud of that - at least.

I am somewhat saddened to read that we may be looking at Stephen Ireland and Adebayor (rarely do I shriek with horror and recoil at the idea of a player joing us - but this man?!) in the January transfer window.

Whatever we say about Houllier, he does have an eye for a player. I appreciate he has made some very bad buys in the past (as have Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Ferguson and van Gaal, as this is the 'nature of the beast') but he does know when a player is not pulling his weight.

Ireland was past his mental sell by date when he was at Man City. His irrational spending on ludicrous cars and jewellery (local observers and club insiders) suggested a player awash with cash and little guidance on how to spend it and live like a real person (there is a correlation here between money and job satisfaction that is too long to dwell on . . suffice to say, there was a suggestion from the club that he was more interested in his white Bentley than the game and his own work.) So when he was forced out to Villa, he was a lost player and played like it. I fail to see why we think we can rescue his career. Mido is in that bracket; David Bentley another - players with more than an eye on the ££££ than the game. At least that is the perception and that is what we (the fans) see and feel.

To think we need Ireland is a mistake in my limited view, but then again, we have toyed with lost causes before. Adebayor is an appalling prospect for me. He is a moody and greedy player with an ego that even Balotelli would be shamed by! My belief is that he is either a Hodgson 'get out of jail' card or a media invention. I do not think Comoli would be in his fan base. I don't think in 48 years of supporting the club I have ever been angry at a player bought, but maybe this is the one that will do that.

I am still of the opinion that Roy Hodgson's tenure is drawing to a close. I was impressed with the Henry/ Werner interview on LFC.tv and their apparent backing of him, but I don't see him in charge next season. I am not playing the "what do you think of this ed?" game, but I will proffer a suggestion that a foreign manager who has been in the PL and now elsewhere, will make a return for us (not Raf btw). Aside from that, if Bayern Munich fail to make the top four as I suspect this year, then maybe Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal will end up at Anfield.

Finally: don't believe the media rubbishing of Balotelli in the episode concerning Jack Wilshire. I suspect this is more the way he said things rather than his outright slagging of the Arsenal player. Balotelli will leave Man City in the summer and I suspect end up at Real Madrid despite the slagging he received from the Special One.

P.S. Am I the only person NOT unhappy with the departure of Sam Allardyce? His bluff demeanour and 'know it all' attitude rankled with me. At least Rafa had a sense of suave culture when it came to moods. Maybe I'm just bored with people like Allardyce, Gordon Strachan, Tony Mowbray and George Burley - men who seem to fail as managers and yet remain on the endless merry-go-round of managerial jobs. I can think of no other job where if you fail as often as these people, they still want to shove £00000000£ into your hands and ask you to fail again!

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22 Dec 2010 10:01:29
Liverpool Rumours
Come on eh. Rafa went and nobody gave a toss because theyw ere sick of his outbursts. Don't give me this 'he was doingit for the good of the club' rubbish.

Yer he came 2nd after Pako left but then he started fiddling and changing the setup on his own and it all went a bit wrong didn't it.

Spriggo

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22 Dec 2010 09:53:44
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2 Dec 2010 08:37:55 One man for me to be liverpool manager bri back rafa. . 2nd 2 years ago with some backin money wise he will show is worth x money wise he will show is worth x- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - What about the league position the other 5 seasons? We were no where near 1st place. A for money, Rafa spent approx £230m in his tenure. MUSHROOM

Actually Rafa's nett spend was £80m as he raised £150m from transfers out. Would you like me to average that out a season for you?
As for league position he had one bad season finishing outside champions league spot which was more to do with the turmoil the club was going through.
Please, please, please suggest a sensible manager tht you feel lfc can attract that will do better than benitez. That can attract the best players and has tactical awareness to beat manure.

And for the love if god, don't say oneill hes won nothing of merit and spent shedloads.

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22 Dec 2010 09:36:23
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Liverpool have made massive progress under Benitez so get your head out of the Andy Gray's alimentary canal MUSHROOM.

Have you ever worked out Rafa's net spend?
And i always respect a man who moves on players that do not work in our league (Josemi, Kromkamp) than let them eat our wage bill like Houllier let Diao and co do.

Spent 20 mill on a player like Torres, and Fergie spends that on players on the bench like Anderson, Nani and Hargreaves.

Benitez is Liverpool through and through which is important to the club. No fighting to get our old owners out and concenrate in the job again we would be up there. Hard to beat and overcoming the top teams in our battles.

Viva la revolucion!

Scuzz
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One man for me to be liverpool manager bring back rafa. . 2nd 2 years ago with some backing money wise he will show is worth x
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What about the league position the other 5 seasons? We were no where near 1st place. And for money, Rafa spent approx £230m in his tenure.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 09:35:16
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From what i read on this site, we are lookin for young promising players with future sell on prices. We should start with the numerous players we are linked with continously.

Reina gk
Stanton rd
Kelly, wilson and or ayala cb
Lahm lb
Bangera dm
Shelvey and honda cm
Mata left att mid
David amoo right att mid
Torres striker.
A team to challenge for the forseeable future and with the likes of gerrard, carragher, cole, ngog, maxi, kuyt and the greek still about, back to were we belong.
Andy the see all

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22 Dec 2010 09:28:30
Rafa is gone! Deal with it.
In the summer Roy will be gone. .we'll deal with that too. (unless by some miracle we finish 4th)
Everyone is talking about Andre Villas Boas as next manager and I can see why. .who knows what 2011/ 12 will bring in the meantime just get behind the team and let's try to make the best of what will undoubtably be a bad season?

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22 Dec 2010 09:24:58
Liverpool Rumours
What people fail to see if that yes rafa spent 230 million over 6 years, but how many of his buys where is 3rd and 4th choice players. he had to completly overhaul the squad, we required so many players when he came in. the players he got that where is 1st choice we class, and if he had got is 1st and 2nd choice at all times, we wouldn't be here now

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22 Dec 2010 09:20:02
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I'm a 35 year old man I wouldn't use the term unless I seriously had to, but Elia is SICK.

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22 Dec 2010 09:16:42
Ed- totally understand and agree that the gj issue had been covered enough now. My post was more of an effort to stem the inappropriate gay rumour but having read my post back i can see that it may have appeared that i was fishing for more info! Appols.
Back to football, I'm quite eager for this transfer window to open as at the min it's like guess who re the transfer targets; this could turn out to be a good thing and makes a refreshing change from all our washing being Put out in public.
Just wish I had asked the man in red to bring good fortune to the mighty reds b
Happy Xmas to all
Andy the red

{Editor's Note: Thanks Andy and have a blast over the holidays.}

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22 Dec 2010 09:04:47
Mushroom, there is a difference between GROSS spending and NET spending. Rafa had to sell to buy quite a bit and made a profit on quite a few of his transfers.
For long term sustainability the most important thing to have is a good youth system and rafa brought Borrel from Barca who helped develop fabregas and co. I fear they may not stay for long now. .

{Editor's Note: Putting aside all of the gross/net issues, the point is that for quarter of a billion pounds the squad was not as strong as it should have been.}
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Thank you for backing up my point Editor.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 09:04:22
One man for me to be liverpool manager bring back rafa. . 2nd 2 years ago with some backing money wise he will show is worth x
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What about the league position the other 5 seasons? We were no where near 1st place. And for money, Rafa spent approx £230m in his tenure.

MUSHROOM
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Let's not get a how much Rafa spent debate going because ultimately, he left us with a far better squad than he inherited. He was fighting against teams that where already quality, (Manure, Chavski and Arsenal) and had to sell lots of carp on high wages in order to buy players.

There was alot of board room issues, some of which he brought on himself, resulting in money 'disapearing' and players who we could have got for cheap not arriving because of idiots like Parry.

I, like many was bemused by lots of Rafa's decisions, but I do think that he would be far better than Roy. However, I don't think going back to Rafa is the way forward. I think we should give Roy till the end of the season and if things don't improve, move him on and see who is available then. Between now and then, Comolli n Kenny can identify players who we can buy. Look at Barca, the manager doesn't always choose who he buys but it works. Could work here, save us waiting to install someone before we start scouting etc.

Ultimately, Rafa did alot for us and took us from the average team Houllier left to a team that no-one wanted to play (up until his final year). We improved alot, but due to behind the scenes issues we stagnated. Let's look to the future not the past.

We were a great team in the 80's etc, that was over 20 years ago. We are no longer a great team. We are a great club, but not a great team. The fans need to get behind the players to make us a great team again. They just need that confidence that support can bring

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22 Dec 2010 09:01:09
Ha! Whether submitting to the solipsistic perspective or applying reason to the observable, it would be apropos to consider the fundamental issue of individuality as a function of the ego, which serves to place ourselves in the perceived linear narrative of human history, but is, in itself, illusuory. To quote the sage Joseph Conrad in 'Heart of Darkness' - "One ship is very much like another, and the sea is always the same."

SpanishChris ;-)
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You spelt ILLUSORY wrong ;0)

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 08:54:47
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22 Dec 2010 08:37:55
One man for me to be liverpool manager bring back rafa. . 2nd 2 years ago with some backing money wise he will show is worth x
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What about the league position the other 5 seasons? We were no where near 1st place. And for money, Rafa spent approx £230m in his tenure.

MUSHROOM

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Mushroom you're forgetting the amount of money he actually brought back into the club. Yes he spent a lot but he also brought a lot back in. His net spending was very little due to the support he got from Hicks and Gillett. Whatever you think of the guy he is a better manager than Hodgson and to quote Rafa ' That's a fact' And as a Liverpool fan he gave me 2 of my best nights , Champs League in 2005 and FA Cup 2006. Can you you really see us winning anything with Roy?

I very much doubt he'll get the chance to manage us again and rather dwell on some of the bad days I prefer to remember the above Ed / All fans if you HAD to choose one of the below to be our manager who would you go for?

Rafa - Believable
Roy - Unbelievable

RedDan

{Editor's Note: This is not really a valid question to ask. The choice will not be between Rafa and Roy but between Rafa and Roy's unknown replacement at the end of the season.}

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22 Dec 2010 08:52:44
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22 Dec 2010 08:37:55
One man for me to be liverpool manager bring back rafa. . 2nd 2 years ago with some backing money wise he will show is worth x
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What about the league position the other 5 seasons? We were no where near 1st place. And for money, Rafa spent approx £230m in his tenure.

MUSHROOM
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mushroom, there is a difference between GROSS spending and NET spending. Rafa had to sell to buy quite a bit and made a profit on quite a few of his transfers.
For long term sustainability the most important thing to have is a good youth system and rafa brought Borrel from Barca who helped develop fabregas and co. I fear they may not stay for long now. .

{Editor's Note: Putting aside all of the gross/net issues, the point is that for quarter of a billion pounds the squad was not as strong as it should have been.}

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22 Dec 2010 08:52:21
Liverpool Rumours
Just read on the BBC site that Villa might be getting rid of Warnock. I'd have him back in a flash, we should never have let him leave - better than any of the LB's we currently have at the club.

With the liklihood that Gerrard will play behind Torres on his return. . 2 wingers are vital in January.

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22 Dec 2010 08:51:54
Liverpool Rumours
Some people talk rubbish on here no big names will come to us cause Roy had turned us into a laughing stock although I hope the Elia rumours are true he's a class player Roy out now!

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22 Dec 2010 08:47:13
Ed's - think something needs clearing up re the glen Johnson. In previous months I remember reading a reply from one of the ed's who "suggested" that the glen Johnson rumour had more about it than just his sexuality (i may have misinterpreted the reply though). Ed can you assist? I ask because I find it very g
Hard to believe that the other players would dislike him much based on his sexual orientation, no matter how much he flaunts it. I mean come on, it's not as if other players are so clean that this would shock them. I also find it hard to believe that the press would get any injunction removed for such a story because it's not as if Johnson makes his money on the basis his " happy married family life" unlike a certain mr rooney or Terry now is it? Now that leaves the possibility of the rumour being a little more than his sexual orientation and the question is what has he been up to?
My feeling is that it may be down to hid recreational activities as well!
Andy the red

{Editor's Note: I really don't think that this web site is a vehicle for delving in to the personal lives of players nor their relationships with each other. I think this thread regarding Mr Johnson has probably run far enough. I hope you understand.}

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22 Dec 2010 08:27:33
Ed lets see if you have big enough lawyers for this or otherwise send them round my gaff! Johnson is not liked in the squad because of his colourful private life. He is well known to be a blatant homosexual who causes his pretend female partner endless sadness . There has been no end of embarrassing situations in town during his time here and he never stops flaunting it. If anyone doubts this look up the story everyone assumed was Ashley Cole at Chavskli which was hugely covered by the red tops and included mobile phones in very uncomfortable places. Expect Glen to scuttle off abroad when the super injunction gets overturned in january. Come on Ed its time it got out! RED77 {ed's note - I would just like to point out that I have no lawyer!}

Can I just say to the above, what is wrong with Glen Johnson Being a homosexual? I think your use of the word 'blatant' says alot about you as a person. Not exactly the way to describe someone.

Obviously I don't know the whole story, but I don't see a problem with him being gay. This is exactly the type of reaction that probably sacres players into not 'coming out'. You and Football need to get with the times mate, no-one cares about it anymore.

Just think, Glen can put other players off by rubbing up against them lol. He will be the best defender in the world. On a serious note though, get behind the lad, who cares if he is gay, he is a Liverpool player and deserves our support.

If there is anything about the story that may change my mind, please post.

{Editor's Note: Statistically between one in 10 and one in 20 people are gay - which means it is statistically likely that there are one or two gay players per club. But hell, it's a mans game.}
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I agree mate there is nothing wrong with being gay. But why have a pretend female partner and then flaunt it in her face? Not good.

MUSHROOM

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22 Dec 2010 08:16:17
Liverpool Rumours
22 Dec 2010 00:09:09
Liverpool Rumours
Bring back Benitez. . . .?

Agree - Yes

Disagree - No

What do you think also ed's? {ed's note - I don't want Rafa back, it is a no for me.}I done this post last night, there are really mixed views. I don't think we should take him back due to the breakdown in relationships he had with top players before he left.

Bring back Alonso! !

{Editor's Note: I am one for looking forward and not back. I would not want Rafa back at Liverpool, and whilst Alonso was fantastic, we need to be looking for a younger, but perhaps similar, player.}

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22 Dec 2010 08:07:24
21 Dec 2010 22:59:15
FAO the Ed who would pick Claude Puel as manager. Interesting choice mate. Obviously we all have our opinions, preferences and reasons. Why would you choose Puel as manager mate? {ed's note - I will post this question to him as I don't believe he is around at the moment and I don't understand the choice at all.}
{Editors: Note: Sorry, I was away polishing my blunderbuss so I could fend off all of the "Rafa back" posters when you wrote in. Claude Puel - ok. Puel was a successful player at Monaco and proved himself a good leader. He has done a good job and built good experience as a manager at Monaco, Lille and more recently at Lyon which has been in quite a bit of turmoil the past couple of years. He also has a decent amount of that elusive Mourinhoesque arrogance which gives him an edge; but does not make him particularly liked by either the press or other managers. He does have the respect of players and I think a move to England would be a good option for him - the other thought is perhaps Arsenal at some point in the future. I don't know how well he gets on with Comolli though - and to be fair and balanced, Comolli is not terribly well respected in France. My other thought on who may make a good Liverpool manager came to me whilst in the car on Monday morning: Dan Petrescu.}

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22 Dec 2010 08:04:59
Liverpool Rumours
Sooo is rafa benitez getting sacked?? if he does, he will probs be begging to come back.

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22 Dec 2010 07:30:08
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Liverpool Rumours
Ed lets see if you have big enough lawyers for this or otherwise send them round my gaff! Johnson is not liked in the squad because of his colourful private life. He is well known to be a blatant homosexual who causes his pretend female partner endless sadness . There has been no end of embarrassing situations in town during his time here and he never stops flaunting it. If anyone doubts this look up the story everyone assumed was Ashley Cole at Chavskli which was hugely covered by the red tops and included mobile phones in very uncomfortable places. Expect Glen to scuttle off abroad when the super injunction gets overturned in january. Come on Ed its time it got out! RED77 {ed's note - I would just like to point out that I have no lawyer!}

Can I just say to the above, what is wrong with Glen Johnson Being a homosexual? I think your use of the word 'blatant' says alot about you as a person. Not exactly the way to describe someone.

Obviously I don't know the whole story, but I don't see a problem with him being gay. This is exactly the type of reaction that probably sacres players into not 'coming out'. You and Football need to get with the times mate, no-one cares about it anymore.

Just think, Glen can put other players off by rubbing up against them lol. He will be the best defender in the world. On a serious note though, get behind the lad, who cares if he is gay, he is a Liverpool player and deserves our support.

If there is anything about the story that may change my mind, please post.

{Editor's Note: Statistically between one in 10 and one in 20 people are gay - which means it is statistically likely that there are one or two gay players per club. But hell, it's a mans game.}

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22 Dec 2010 07:07:10
Just a quick one to say that the pics of the lads (lfctv) with the kids in alderhay are great. what a great thing to do at this time of year! ! plus the lads look well happy (stevie g massive smile).

{Editor's Note: Regarding Stevie's massive smile, I think you will find it is wind.}

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22 Dec 2010 06:50:50
Liverpool Rumours
Guys never expect players with price tags above 20 million

Blazing angel

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22 Dec 2010 06:42:32
Please don't bring Rafa back, look what he did to Inter in just 6 months, he's shockin, people might say "But he won the Champions League in Istanbul! !" Yea Liverpool won it with Gerard Houllier's team not Rafa's, it was all downhill after he took over. .

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in that case than surely its jose's team that are 6th in italy! ! also if jose wins champs league and la liga does that mean its pelligrinis (spelling) team? ?
if roys wins the euopa league then surely rafa should get the credit. . .

matty b

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22 Dec 2010 06:37:38
Rafa suffered when Pako went.

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correct me if im wrong but wasnt our best league position and points in many years done without pako. he left before that season started i think? ? ?

matty b

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22 Dec 2010 04:00:45
GJ likes a hard tackle in the box. (Sorry, couldn't resist it!)

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22 Dec 2010 03:34:04
What about this!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Johnson. . . .Carra. . . Agger. . . . nzogbia
Kuyt/ Maxi. .mereiles. . .gerrard. . . ashley_young
. . . . . . . . . . Torres. . Pato. . . . . . . . . . .

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22 Dec 2010 03:28:01
Liverpool Rumours
Got to get decent right back as well.
Any Ideas?

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22 Dec 2010 02:35:19
Barely 5months ago, all the posts were. Sack Rafa - get Roy!
Now it's Sack Roy - get Rafa! You fickle 'fans?'! We do need to sack Roy, but Rafa isn't coming back, he hated not having control, and now we have Comolli, to control transfers, so forget it! We will probably get a young British manager, or someone cheap, but decent like a Villas Boas?


mate u are right on. sack rafa and pplz bring roy, just a couple of months ago. come on guys. liverpool is bout giving chances and roy deserves a chance to show what he can do. look what rafa has done to mourinhos inter and what he did to houllier liverpool 6 years ago. time to move forward and don't even think about hiring rafa

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22 Dec 2010 02:23:26
I probably won't be posting for a few days. So this is probably my only chance to wish every single one of you a very merry christmas and a happy new year. Especially the Ed's for starting this site and the great work you've done, long may it continue.

So everyone have a good one and remember NEVER EVER DRINK AND DRIVE.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. Stay out of trouble you crazy kids.

{Editor's Note: Peaceful holidays Blair.}

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22 Dec 2010 01:14:16
Just read reinas interview
Get in son!
The top players are sticking round ride out this seasons lads next seasons will be ours!
Love Liverpool
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Hey mate do you know where I can get the interview?

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22 Dec 2010 00:54:11
Just read reinas interview
Get in son!
The top players are sticking round ride out this seasons lads next seasons will be ours!
Love Liverpool

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22 Dec 2010 00:52:27
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool after january transfer:

. . . . . . . . . reina. . . . . . . . . . . .
johnson. .dann. . agger. .konches. .
kuyt. . .gerrard. .meireles. nzogbia. .
. . . . . . . .torres. .adebayor. . . . .

what do you think?

that more realistic because top player can't go to liverpool because of position liverpool at middle table. it was risk. .except liverpool make overhaul like mancity and chelsea pass 4 years. .

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22 Dec 2010 00:46:47
22 Dec 2010 00:18:58
Is everyone else having trouble getting onto lfc site, all im getting is 404 page not found,

im not

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22 Dec 2010 00:40:55
Liverpool Rumours
22 Dec 2010 00:04:42
Liverpool Rumours
What is the full story with regard to glen Johnson?
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He's apparently gay but who gives a f*** if he is or not?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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22 Dec 2010 00:38:18
Liverpool Rumours
Can we go back to post actual football rumours and lay off the players' private life? As bad as people believe Glen Johnson to be, he is not the reason why Liverpool are where they are. In all honesty; if your full back is expected to attack, he will be caught out off position from time to time. Make the list, from Ramos, Marcelo, Lahm, Alves, Maicon, Evra, Bosingwa, Fereira to Riise they have all been called awful defenders because they do go forward. If you want your full back to be reliable, then you should forbid him to go in attack. Watch what happens when we get Coentrao or Cissokho, after 6 months people will call them overrated flops. Football is a game where risk is rewarded and when you go through a bad period whatever made you win (Torres, Gerrard, Johnson) will cause your downfall. Johnson needs to be on a team that runs on all cylinders to be appreciated. I know nothing of his private life and I don't give a sh*t!

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22 Dec 2010 00:36:58
Liverpool Rumours
Just a thought for the future.if agger does stay and avoids injury for a while, and when stevie g eventually moves on/ no longer captain how bout agger for the job? great player, CB and a good leader. what you think on this ed? {ed's note - I think Kelly is a future captain myself, I don't think Agger will ever be injury free for long enough.}

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22 Dec 2010 00:36:30
Im not surprised gj wants out if he has heard we are being linked to a player named fanni, lol

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22 Dec 2010 00:18:58
Is everyone else having trouble getting onto lfc site, all im getting is 404 page not found,

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22 Dec 2010 00:14:27
Liverpool Rumours
Ed lets see if you have big enough lawyers for this or otherwise send them round my gaff! Johnson is not liked in the squad because of his colourful private life. He is well known to be a blatant homosexual who causes his pretend female partner endless sadness . There has been no end of embarrassing situations in town during his time here and he never stops flaunting it. If anyone doubts this look up the story everyone assumed was Ashley Cole at Chavskli which was hugely covered by the red tops and included mobile phones in very uncomfortable places. Expect Glen to scuttle off abroad when the super injunction gets overturned in january. Come on Ed its time it got out! RED77 {ed's note - I would just like to point out that I have no lawyer!}
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This story has been out for a while RED77. What i'm wondering is you seem to know more than any other post i've read?

You sound like a man scorned, did Glen break your heart?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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22 Dec 2010 00:13:46
We could have a new chant for gj, if your playing slow, and can't score a goal, who you gonna call, 118 118, lol jimmybosun

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22 Dec 2010 00:08:11
Liverpool Rumours
I don't care who the next manager is but i want him too play attacking football! !

get the best man for the job

he needs to build a team around the obvious

reina, agger, gerrard, meireles, cole and torres

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22 Dec 2010 00:02:51
Liverpool Rumours
How sordid can it be about Glen Johnson. Surely in the year 2010 it can`t be that sordid! or Shocking to be Gay! By the way i`m married with child and not! !lol

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22 Dec 2010 00:02:45
Liverpool Rumours
Ed lets see if you have big enough lawyers for this or otherwise send them round my gaff! Johnson is not liked in the squad because of his colourful private life. He is well known to be a blatant homosexual who causes his pretend female partner endless sadness . There has been no end of embarrassing situations in town during his time here and he never stops flaunting it. If anyone doubts this look up the story everyone assumed was Ashley Cole at Chavskli which was hugely covered by the red tops and included mobile phones in very uncomfortable places. Expect Glen to scuttle off abroad when the super injunction gets overturned in january. Come on Ed its time it got out! RED77 {ed's note - I would just like to point out that I have no lawyer!}
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I suppose I'll have to wait until the full story breaks in a paper, but by what you're going on then you're suggesting that other players hate him because he's gay?. .or because he's gay and causing torment to people by covering it up. If it's just because he's gay then surely all the other players are in the wrong? You can't somebody because of their sexuality.

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